The Week That Was – 5th July 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It is time for the week that was.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
And in the studio with us this morning from the
colp we've got Murray Claar booth Be Good morning to you,
Murray Clear.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
Good morning Katie, and to your listeners.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
We've got Keesy Apuric from out in the rural area.
Good morning to you, Kezier.

Speaker 4 (00:13):
Yes, good morning, Caddy, Morning bush people. The weather man
said it was eighteen and felt like fifteen.

Speaker 5 (00:17):
How does that work?

Speaker 4 (00:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Was it cold out there?

Speaker 6 (00:20):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (00:21):
Put my jacket off?

Speaker 1 (00:21):
What about the dogs? Did they then? Did they wear jumpers?

Speaker 7 (00:25):
Little knitture jumpers.

Speaker 5 (00:29):
We just started the.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Show and Brent Potter, the member for Fanny Bay and
the police minister, good.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Morning to you.

Speaker 5 (00:36):
Good morning Katy.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Now we will start actually with a terrible situation that's
unfolded earlier in the week. We know Northern Territory police
have now located the remains near Palumpa, believed to be
that of a missing twelve year old child. Yesterday, as
we're wrapping up the show, the police did release information
saying that the child was reportedly attacked, as we know,

(00:57):
by crocodile in Mango Creek. That was on Tuesday, An
extensive search effort was mounted in an effort to locate
the child. Senior Sergeant Erica Gibson said this was devastating
news for the family, the community and everyone involved in
the search. She said police are providing support to the
family and community, along with the first responders who attended

(01:19):
the scene. Now we know that the girl's death marks
the first crocodile attack in the Northern Territory since twenty eighteen.
Back then it was when an indigenous ranger was killed
in northeast Arnham Land. An absolutely terrible situation for that family.
I cannot imagine the heartbreak that they must be feeling

(01:40):
at this point in time.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Utterly tragic.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
Any death is tragic, but the girl was so young,
you know, a whole life ahead of her and that's
now been tragically cut short. And of course the family
she no doubt she had brothers and sisters, Auntie's uncles, grandparents,
plus the extended community. And you know, I see it's
raised the issue again about crocodile culling. And you know

(02:07):
there's always going to be risk associated with swimming in
remote communities.

Speaker 7 (02:10):
Bill Bongs, it.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
Doesn't matter where, even just swimming around the back of
where I live on want to Be Holts. We wouldn't
do anymore because we know there's crocodiles there. So it's
just it's just a tragic set of circumstances. And I
mean there's a crocodile management plan out I think that
the consultation, So I would encourage anyone who's listening that
has an interest of any kind to look at that
crocodile management plan. It's on the film's website. I don't
know which one, but it's probably Parks so much, you know,

(02:34):
because that does reference crocodile culling. It references a whole
lot of other things. But I just, you know, send
my sympathies to the family and everyone who knew that
little girl and think at all and the helpers, you know,
the people people who have had to search and risk
people touch job for them.

Speaker 6 (02:51):
And I've got kids around that same age, Katy, and
I just I cannot even fathom what that would have
been like, you know, knowing that she was missing, and
then obviously the tragic news that she was and you.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Know, I have my words about it.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, and look, I'm happy to stand corrected. But when
we caught up with Commander Danny Bacon. Earlier in the week,
he had said to us that his understanding was that
her mum had gone and reported it to the health
clinic staff after after seeing her attacked.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Is my understanding. So I can't imagine what that would.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Be like for a parent.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
Yeah, horrible, And I think they are actually a bit
more informations covered. I think they were swimming there there
as a family, doing other activities. They've seen it occur,
and I can't imagine what it would be like to
be you know, you feel helpless, you know your child's
been taken. So that for the community to have to
live through that and be there, and you know, we
had Cabinet andis Is out there only a couple of

(03:43):
weeks ago, and they'd interacted with that family, and so
it's hit them pretty hard as well, because they'd met
the young girl, our thoughts and praised with that commune.
I know Duran Young's head out, their chief minister and
cabinet have some of their public servants there at the moment,
and the West day the Regional Council will be doing
what they can while we continue to find the CROC.
I don't believe they're not located yet I don't believe. So.

(04:03):
I know we've removed a few other crocodiles and they
have the authority to remove this one completely, and I
think that needs to occur. But yeah, for the family,
just horrendous.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Well, and as you touched on their keys here, it
does really reignite every time over the years it something
like this happens. It does reignite that debate about where
the crocodiles should be culled.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
And I don't know what the answer is to that.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
I'm certainly not an expert when it comes to crocodiles,
but what I do know is that over the years,
and certainly there's a lot of people that listen to
this show who've lived here their whole lives, that have
grown up here and say to me very often, Katie,
there used to be locations where you would go for
a bit of a swim or you're.

Speaker 7 (04:37):
Just all around me.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yeah, back of my place, it's King's Creek and Miller's Creek,
and they're well known water holes. Any local person knows.
You go out there, not so much fishing, just swimming
and whatever. And it was fresh and clean and happy
and lovely all around. Howard springs the same. I mean,
I've got mates who grew up here and they used
to go bush camping, and they'd go and swim at
Cardials Crossing and the Merry River and all those kinds
of places because the crocodiles just weren't there.

Speaker 7 (04:59):
They were big.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
We had times different times.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
And the other thing too, KD is what happens is
when the major rivers get full, as in frigatively full
with the large males, the younger males have to move
to further territories. And that's why they've come into the
smaller waterways and the smaller bill of bombs and taken
up the residents there, and that's their territory. So it's
more than just lots of crocodiles. Yes, how the crocodiles
migrate and where they're located and why that.

Speaker 5 (05:22):
Strategy does talk about culling, but it also talks about
further increase the removal of egg collections. So we're removing
more of those eggs that aren't hatched, which is a
form of culling, and increasing that. Because the numbers are
quite largely they're over one hundred thousand, it stipulates the
document and I think we see bigger crocs now transitting
through East Point, past the sailing club and the like.
And yeah, these young kids out there sailing on weekends
in my electric where you go swimming off East Point

(05:44):
at the moment in the dry season is a lovely spot,
but you don't let the kids go past the rock pools.
So we do need to look at it. We've put
the strategy out there for people to comment on. I
would strongly encourage every territory and like Casy is said,
to have a comment on our industry will have a
particular view, but we've got a way up the interest
of industry and are the safety the public.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
But I think there's about six or eight crocodile farms
in the top end. Yeah, evill taken you know, and
primary it's for the skin, you know, it is the
by product, but many of them infect probably a very
successful and so you know, culing, you'd have to look
at how you cull and where you cull, and there's
a priority area and is it culling by collection and
then taking to a farm or is it culling by

(06:22):
straight shooting. But then you've got to have people that
are exceptional shots.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
Was going to happen. I think we need to be
looking at how we use that running.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
What are you thinking, Do you think there could be
an opportunity here for some kind of safari hunting or
something keyser or not?

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Really?

Speaker 4 (06:34):
No, you can we could have safari hunting tomorrow if
you know the government, this government, next government wanted to
do it, you know, and you have agreement from everyone
and how it's to be done, safety, et cetera. The
problem with the big Americans and the Europeans who go
Safari Hong is they want to take a trophy home
and they can't take a trophy administrata because if crocodiles
are listed on site is you know, it's in danger
and threatened species and that's unlikely to come off unless

(06:56):
the federal government lobbies for it to come off. So
they might like to go safarri hunting, but you know,
how do you hunt. It's different for pigs.

Speaker 5 (07:06):
I mean, to hold a crocscull you need to get
the permit in the like I mean, it is, like
you said, cumbersome and it's controlled by the Feds. I mean,
arguably are they endangered? Probably now the numbers are higher
than what they were precal so getting things it is difficult,
and I think this always reignites a discussion when we
lose someone to a crock attack. And I can remember
one back when I was in the Army Kakata. We

(07:28):
were on the training range and there was a crock
attack and the choppers had to go and help recover.
So it does happen infrequently, but it's a stark reminder
and it is just horribly.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Absolutely and my thoughts are with that young girl's family. Look,
we're going to take a really quick break because there
is so much to cover off on this morning, a
real change of pace when we come back. You are
listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty. Well,
it is a busy week. It's always a busy week
when you're talking politics and news and current affairs and
in the studio with us this morning.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
If you've just joined us, he's.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Got Brent Potter, Kesi Apuric and Mary Clare Boothby. Now, unfortunately,
yesterday we learned that Hannaman Restaurant had been broken into
for the sixteenth time, so owner Jimmy Chu has had
enough after alcohol was stolen by thieves.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
He'd shared that.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Vision on social media we now know that a man's
been arrested over that break in at Hnaman in Darwin, CBD.
But it's alleged that he'd smashed a window of the
restaurant with a rock and a traffic cone and fled
with three bottles of liquor just before two am. He
was later identified on CCTV and arrested near Monsoons with
the help of security guards. That twenty year old was

(08:38):
then taken to the Palmerston Watchhouse, expected to be charged
with multiple property offenses. Now, I think the thing that's
so incredibly frustrating and angering about this situation is you
know when you watch that vision and he just like
he breaks the window open, then he goes and has
a look and you know, chooses what alcohol he wants.
It's such senseless crime, but such a huge impact on

(09:00):
a business that's you know, that's a huge part of it.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
It's the despair that I'm sure mister Shu would be feeling.
I mean, he just wants to be a businessman and
run that business. Is because he's got others that business
of that location, because I mean, we've all been there.
It's lovely food, lovely setting, butt staff all that sort
of stuff, and why should he have to suffer because
of some mongrel scumbag who decides they want to have

(09:24):
a bit of takeaway and not just.

Speaker 6 (09:25):
One mongrel scumbag a lot. He said it was his
fifteenth or sixteenth time that's broken into.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Justice, and told apparently the cave was broken into yesterday
morning as well, at six point thirty in the morning,
and I've got some photos there of that too.

Speaker 4 (09:39):
It doesn't matter the location, if it's close to it,
where by tinants camp or not, it doesn't matter. It
just is reckless disregard for other people's property, lack of respect,
and the whole full letter of the law should be
thrown at these people. I don't care whether they've come
from a poor upbringing and dysfunctional family. Take some responsibilities
and don't steal and wreck other people's lives.

Speaker 5 (10:00):
Plouely agree with what Keys has said. What I would
say is as the first of July we see these
sort of breaking enters on businesses. We saw it about
two years ago and we changed liquor regulations. We did
change the liquor regulations of the first of July to
make it harder for people to come in and accessl
coll In Town. So you reckon that could be what's
called there has been a correlation before we've done it.
I suspect this is related to that. You know he's

(10:20):
stood there seeing the alcohol gone I haven't seen the
footage and gone and stole it. We see the cav
as the first of July, those regulations change where if
you're not from Darwin or Palmerston, you're not being certain
lets you have an address, and so there'll be people
that are being put on the BDR and can't buy
grog and they go and do this senseless property.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
So be a situation though, where we have got people
that are sort of languishing in our CBD or different locations.
They're drinking publicly, they're there, they're sitting around, you know,
for different periods of time you run out of booze
and you go, oh, well what am I going to
do nowhere? So but I'm going to break into somewhere, well, I.

Speaker 5 (10:52):
Mean at one in the morning potentially or two in
the morning. Sure, you know, we could say that's probably
the case as well. But I also think we've got
we've had a target operation. We announced two a week ago.
I think I was on the show that's been running
at the moment in Winale, in the city and in Casarina.
And I saw the car yesterday out and prapp tpping
grog at the bus. Stop moving people on. When you
make it harder for people that have an addiction or
are here to access grog and they can't get illegally,

(11:15):
some people take in their own hands and go and
steal it.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Now we know if thiske was local, or if he
was here from somewhere else, or what he was.

Speaker 5 (11:20):
Doing here welled to believe he wasn't local. What I
would say is in the budget we put in this
year is eight million dollars of bi secure. Now that
doesn't stop everything. And I understand that people don't want
to be a victim. I'd I want them to be
a victim. I don't want to have the discussion of
people because we should be talking about the good things.
But where we can, we're putting more money into be
secure for those to take it. And there's an additional
fifteen thousand dollars per person for alcohol secure, so removing

(11:41):
it from the visual. And I know that for some businesses,
the aesthetics of it is actually part of their business model.
But for those that have the ability to remove it
out of sight, that's all we're offering.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
But why should you in a restaurant right, Why should
you have to, particularly in a place like Hunneman, have
to hide your alcohol? Like I was in news so
recently and literally the wall of the restaurant that I
was in was beautiful alcohol.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
It was all like it was. It was put up
like a display secretive.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Why are we in a situation in the capital city
of Australia where we're having to hide alcohol behind roller
shutters because people are breaking in and stealing it?

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Like to me, it goes back to.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
You know, you're treating the symptom not the cause, Like
we're putting a band aid over a bullet hole yet again,
rather than actually trying to sort things out.

Speaker 5 (12:25):
I'd say it's four or five different things there, Katie. Yes,
you're right, we shouldn't have to hide alcohol. I'm not
forcing any business to do it. What I'm saying is,
if you want to do it, we have got a
grunt available to support you in doing it. It's the
same thing with the OCS. But I'm not going to
force a business to do something. But the government, sets
of policy and dollars there for it. You are right,
there is a group of people that this is causing
day and day out. But when you talk about you know,

(12:47):
band aid on a bullet hole, Well, the reality is
we've got a bunch of people that are addicted to alcohol.
And when you're remind we are opening.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Up any new rehabilitation centers or any kind of different
rehab four people that have got these addictions.

Speaker 5 (12:59):
So we know that managed or forced or mandated alcohol
treatment facilities don't work. They cost money, and people don't.
You have to want to change, to go and change.
We all know that.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Get the situation like this, how are you going to
make any difference than if you've got like you've literally
you know from what you're just saying, you know, you've
got to have people doing programs.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
You've got to have them wanting to change.

Speaker 5 (13:19):
Absolutely, I'll talk you through that, and to.

Speaker 7 (13:20):
Have it back in the communities where they've come.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
So there we go.

Speaker 5 (13:23):
So so that was the point I was going to
get to. So the changes we made around drinking in
a public place, the changes I made about two months
ago in Parliament now force you to go on the
BDR and force you to have a discussion with a
health clinic whether you decide to take up the service
after that, but they do reach out and have that
initial engagement. Alcohol in community is the way forward. We
need to get to a point where people are living
and managing with alcohol. We've allocated money with the federal

(13:45):
government for the alcohol management plans in those those dry communities.
We're not going to open the gate to everyone to
get alcohol. They have to have the plan in place,
but it needs to be occurring in their community.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
I know you've been out to a business yesterday in
fact where they've been broken into again. There's thing like
once a month, that's right.

Speaker 6 (14:00):
So I sat down with Brad Morgan yesterday from the Reserve,
which coincidentally is about two minutes from Parliament House. It's
also right on the thoroughfare for all our cruise ships
tourists that come up and obviously right.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
At the end of the mall there.

Speaker 6 (14:13):
And you know, it was actually quite emotional listening to
Brad talk about the experiences he's had and he actually
does hide the alcohol every single night to try and avoid,
you know, having people see it through the windows, because
like he said, he goes to bed every night, just
feeling like he knows he's going to get that phone
call at three o'clock in the meeting, you know, once

(14:33):
a month, he said, he has smashed windows and it's
not just the cost to repair it, but the staff
that endure having to deal with that. Not only does
it get an invoice, but he also you know, he
has to deal with the fact that he has people
coming into to the restaurant, the pub. They're stealing food
off people's plates as they're dining. I mean, could you
imagine that as a tourist in our town that I'm

(14:54):
sure that does not happen anywhere else. He has people
jumping the counter trying to steal alcohol while they're I mean,
he's thinking about what he's going to do in the
future with his family, you know, like he came from
Alice Springs.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 6 (15:09):
Brand Morgan has been in hospitality for decades. He's worked
right across Australia. He just cannot believe what is happening.
I mean, he moved from Alice Springs where he operated
venues down there, to the Top End with his family
because he, you know, he wanted to do something for
his family here and now he's just you know, absolute
despair because knowing that nothing happens to these people, you know,

(15:30):
there's no consequences. We've had a government in for eight years.
They talk about generational change. When businesses and our community
cannot wait ten or twenty years, these guys have already
had is it nineteen out of twelve?

Speaker 2 (15:42):
I think that it's having though as well, is like
it's a bit broader than, you know, than what we
see on the street.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
It's like there is so many facets to this.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
But even when you look at the Northern Territory and
indeed Darwin is a capital city growing on a national scale.
You know, we want to be taken seriously as a
tourism destination. What's one of the things that you do
when you go away on holidays? For me, I go
out for dinner.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
We usually have a walk down the street. You go
and get an ice cream.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Well, our ice cream shops closing because of the antisocial behavior.
I mean that's one example, but you sort of go,
you walk down the street and do tourists feel safe
walking down the street in our Darwin CBD at nighttime
at the moment, And I don't know the answer to that, Okatie,
because I'm.

Speaker 6 (16:21):
Not interested of survey recently which was which we uncovered
just yesterday, and it was aimed at tourism business operators
to be able to share with the government their sentiment
on the outlook of the next twelve months. Now it
was the worst results that we've ever seen since that
report started to be compiled I think in twenty twelve.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
And that's exactly what Brad was saying.

Speaker 6 (16:45):
I mean we if he was saying, you know, if
we've got increasing crime, decreasing tourists, you know, less people
coming to live here, then what kind of hope does
that give business owners to be able to continue to stay.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
So the opposition would make it sound like crime is
the only reason to numbers down. I acknowledge that it
has an.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Absolutely specifically absolutely just let.

Speaker 5 (17:07):
You talk uninterrupted. I think you can do the same point.
Did I not just say those Yes, crime is one
of those drivers.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Remember it's a show where all of us are discussing
brench So I'd appreciate if you don't speak down to
the other women in the studio, particularly Mary Claire. If
you're saying that to her, you'll cut into her at
different times but I'll lay those ground rules down.

Speaker 5 (17:30):
That was the point I'm making is that crime is
not the only reason. It's a large contributor. There are
other pieces that contribute to it. I can't yet absolutely
and I can't talk about every tourist and what they're doing.
What I can talk to is what we're doing to
remediate it. We've covered up on the additional security funding
that Council ceased. We've now got the city. I saw
yesterday three guys rolling around the city safe Vent all
afternoon doing alcohol tip to move on.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
So I say that those security guards helped.

Speaker 5 (17:55):
Follow them to the back of monsoons and the CCTV,
and then police reacted. So when we talk about more
police banging on the beat and we talk about consequences, well,
there is more people in our prisons right now than
there ever has been. So when we say there isn't consequences,
what I would argueab be saying I was going to
get to the point what I'm arguably going to say
is that at the end of the day, we need
to convince people to change their behaviors. And I think

(18:15):
what we have to start doing is alternatives to what
we're doing with just a remand for example, how it
springs get people back on community where justice is served
on commune. Give Grood ionics example, they take over the
youth justice system. We've seen an eighty five percent reduction
youth offending on Grood Island. Now, those are the solutions
that will get us the generation.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
And I get that right, But you guys have held
that up as sort of the shining light now for
a few years. And I can understand why.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
But if it is such a shining light, and if
they've been shining for quite some time, well why isn't
it happening again?

Speaker 5 (18:45):
Learn every community is at the same stage, unfortunately. So
we have some community groups to the example where you
can look and go they've had a mining project, they've
had many opportunities of financially benefit of community. They've got
a pool of money to work with. Some communities aren't
as fortunate as them. We've seen the youth residential as
facility opened yesterday in Darwin. That is an alternative we're
using to dondale as a tiered approach. So if a

(19:07):
kid's breaching their bail, well we're not just going to
regrant the bill. You're going to go to this residential facility,
learn a skill, or you're going to go to the
ten and Creek one and you're going to go and
do a mustering and cattle work. But if you don't,
if you don't comply with that, well then you are
going to Dondale. There is consequences. It's not the same.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Look.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
I suppose the problem here that we've got now as
well is people feel as though we've been languishing for
such a long period of time, right and you I
do not discount the fact that that's a good announcement,
that youth facility.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
I think, yep, sounds like a good thing.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
But how have we reached the point where people have
almost lost hope before that change is coming into play?
And I know that certainly the Chief Minister and yourself
have said to me at different times while I'm in
here now Katie, this is what we're doing. But I
think the worry that people got have got is that
a lot of your team has not changed. A lot
of your team is still the same, you know, like
a lot of the team members that are in there.

(19:56):
And if you and Eva aren't there standing up going well,
hang on, we want this to change. So what's actually
going to happen.

Speaker 5 (20:01):
I think it's an only discussion or a decision that
voters can make. What I can tell you is that
post COVID, like every jurisdiction is struggling with this, we
probably a struggling with it more because we already had
a significant level of disadvantage from the start. We saw
early access to superannuation. During COVID, we saw community lockdowns.
We've seen a black market in our colorand spirits increasing.

(20:22):
We saw a high police attrition rate which is now down,
like we had all these period these things happening at
the same time during COVID. It's not an excuse, it
is a reality. We've got cost of living, we have
crime that's impacting tourism. I'm optimistic about what the next
couple of years looks like because I can see the
figures from Treasury and we'll get on top of the
crime piece. The problem we have. People want stuff to
change tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Unfortunately generation we wanted it to change when it started
several years ago, and it didn't. You know, I feel
as though that's the issue people have got, is that
it's been deteriorating for such a long period of time.
And now we're forty nine days out from an election
and we've got a youth facility opening.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Can you see how people are going?

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Well?

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Hang on a sick Why is this happening now?

Speaker 5 (21:02):
Listen. I can't comment for anything before I was in
government because I wasn't there for those discussions. What I
can to you is from the day that I took over,
I'd said I did right along as the police. I
listened to them. I've gone and listened to the Transit
safety guys. I've listened to the Youth Justice officers, and
I've said I made commitments to them that I would
deliver certain parts. The funding for police is when I
made to the Alice Springs and Dale General Duties guys
when I met them, and the Youth Justice residential facilities

(21:24):
is part of that commitment. I'm can I.

Speaker 6 (21:27):
Quickly just jump in there. Brent says he is only
doing what he has been doing since he's been there.
I mean, Brent was also in government when the age
of criminal responsibility was increased and this has been a
huge problem. Now they're talking about youth facilities which being
stood up seven weeks out from election. I don't think
that any territorian listening out there would have any faith

(21:47):
that there's going to be this change that they keep
talking about, and literally that's what we hear. We hear
lots of words, but there's no real action that follows,
or if there is, it's almost like just to save
face because there is an election coming, instead of wanting
the real time change. I mean, if this government was
really serious, they would deal with that age of Crona responsibility.
I mean Katie in a suburban Palmeston. Just this week,

(22:08):
I had one of the supermarket owners call my office
and say that there is a nine year old girl
that continues to come into the shop on her own
and she's stealing sprays and we know what sprays are
used for, and this is about twenty times, he said.
He called police and police said they couldn't do anything
because she was under age. Right then he called Territory Families.
He said, oh, she's not in care, so we can't

(22:30):
do anything. So I contacted the Minister for Territory Families
because this is not okay. This is a nine year
old girl. This shop owner is going through hell as well.
No one cares about this nine year old and the
Minister for the first time since I've been elected. She
actually did call my office and leave a detailed message
telling me that she would get all these different services to.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Get involved and to go out to Palmeston.

Speaker 6 (22:50):
Now three days later, that business still hasn't heard from
those departments.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
I mean, what something is.

Speaker 6 (22:58):
In this system and the age of criminal responsibility is
something that was pushed through Parliament.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Everybody disagreed with it, but Labour decided it was a
good idea.

Speaker 6 (23:07):
It hasn't been a good idea because we still have
these issues going on. When those children that are not
taking responsibility for their actions get older, guess where they're
going to end up, you know, with everybody else in
the prisons, which is full apparently.

Speaker 7 (23:18):
Look because people break the law.

Speaker 5 (23:21):
So I'll deal with the young girl and the crime
issue in a second, because that is concerning. And at
the end of the day that whether they talk back
to whether the territory, families and police call the supermarket,
that doesn't mean something isn't happening. And arguably the.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
Super supermarket is the only point of call, though in
this case no.

Speaker 5 (23:39):
They may know the actual identity of the use, so
they may know who that kid is in territories Families
is engaging directly with the kid, and arguably there are
laws that prohibit them from telling the kid's name and
telling the sup market what they're doing because of the
age of the kid. What I would say is the
Royal Commission made their recommendation for twelve. We have absolutely
no intention to go to fourteen. So before you say
that we have absolutely no intention, are the jurisdiction are

(24:00):
going to that same name.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
I hope we don't because I don't know that the
other jurisdictions are dealing with the same issues that we are.

Speaker 5 (24:05):
Right now, I can tell you're sitting in the National
Policemenister's meeting and same with the attorney or they are
all looking at it now. What I would say is
that you make the one point about caring for these
kids and raising the age is the wrong thing. Well,
you're proposing to go back to ten. That will put
more kids in prison, so that the point you make
about it it means that they can be dealt with,

(24:25):
but they're not. So for example, we establish the twenty
for our child protection team, We've established a safe place
to drop the kids off of. We've now got the
youth residential facility. There is more kids in territory families
care now, So to say that putting them, lowing the
criminal age back to ten, that will put more kids
in prison, which arguably we know and we may not
agree with everything in the Royal Commission, you know, we

(24:47):
may not, but there are definitely pieces of that that
say you put a ten year old kid in prison,
you are more likely to see that.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
Person out in the prison. Brand stop saying that that's
what we will do.

Speaker 5 (24:57):
That's what you're saying.

Speaker 6 (24:58):
No, it's about dealing with the the family and the support.
I mean, it's a nine year old girl. We have
to deal with the root causes, the generational change that
Labour keep talking about. Like Brad Morgan said, we can't
wait ten or twenty years. We've already been waiting eight
under this government, those kids are much much older now.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
One of the other areas I do want to talk
about this morning is actually police numbers. Now, this is
something we've spoken about at length and it does seem
like it's a good move. We've got extra police that
are going to be on the beat. Brent, you told me,
I reckon it was last week or they graduated last Friday.
That there was going to be sixty four police constables
hitting the beat. We then had the Police Association join

(25:35):
us on the show and say that not all of
those constables would be hitting the streets. Thirty three wouldn't
be finishing their training for several weeks. Now, the Chief
Minister confirming on Wednesday that they're not going to be
hitting the streets until July nineteen. Were you being disingenuous
telling us that they're all going to be hitting the
streets before then when they would?

Speaker 5 (25:53):
Absolutely? I went back and listened to the transcript. What
I told you was that they were graduating on the Friday,
and then outlined where they were deploying to. Now now
where they've got to do two more weeks of training,
two days of training, exactly what that's that's Katie. Just
to be really clear, they got told where they're going.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
If I came on the show and didn't tell I've
got three weeks of training left, you'd.

Speaker 5 (26:11):
Say that, Cady. Just well, at that time, I didn't
know they had an extra three weeks of training. And secondly,
those officers right now being paid as constables, they have
a constable's badge, they have all the powers of a
constable right now, the Commissioner could even though they're doing
catch up training, he could send them to Casarina do
an operation. So they are they are fully sworn constables
right now. They haven't gone to their posting locations.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
And do they have to have another like do they are?
They all graduated now with their certificates, the situation where
they got everything they need.

Speaker 5 (26:38):
It's basically on the job training catch up they need
to do. He's decided to do it all at the
college and keep them there because they're all there right now.
But for example, those palis that got converted to constables
were actually working as constables at the V eights on
the on the two three weeks ago, even before they graduated,
so they are fully sworn officers. They could arrest you
and I right now.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
How they were fully sworn they were still working V eights.

Speaker 5 (26:58):
I got photos of them. Started the chiefness. I think
you guys bumped into them as well, like they're fully
sworn officers. I think it is a bit ingenuous to
argue this amountings in the three weeks. I get the point.
At the time I didn't know, but in saying that me,
the Chief Minister the NTPA and the leader of the
opposition were all the graduation.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
That's exactly right. Nathan Finn was very open and honest
about that, and it.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Said exactly that, and the commissioner made so it was
thirty three of them that weren't actually finished their training.

Speaker 5 (27:22):
And as I spoke to the commissioner and I went
back and triple checked after I heard your segment, he goes, no,
I can de pour them right now anywhere, Like they're
doing cash up training and every year for example, what's.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
The use of the training if they can get out
there on the beat. Now, why they're doing it this?

Speaker 5 (27:34):
Well, arguably, I'm sure if they wanted to, they could
take the liability.

Speaker 7 (27:37):
But they've got the cogislation they've got to learn in
some parts.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, well, look, I don't.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Have an issue with them doing training, nor do I
have an issue with them being out and obviously going
you know the fact that they had to go to
Alice Springs to help out and do that extra curfew,
do the extra curfew stuff, and that being the setback
for their training. But I mean the question here is
was it a situation really where the government a few
weeks out from election seven weeks out from an election

(28:01):
for you as the police minister, trying to make it
seem as though there's more police out there faster than.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
What they really are.

Speaker 5 (28:07):
Well, no, we're paying for them as consortable. So I mean,
I arguably, if you'd ask me the police numbers right now,
I'd tell you that we're at that number, including them now.
If they're not fully trained, well, they're fully sworn officers.
Cadie Like, we can go back and forth on this,
but at the end of the day, an example would
be every year they have to go and recertify where
every companies have to rectify on their firearm. Until they
do that recertification, does that mean that they're not fully
sworn officers for the period of time they're waiting Like

(28:28):
it's a.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Different because they've already done all their training.

Speaker 5 (28:31):
Tomorrow the commissioner could deploy them to curfew as an example,
and may be fully sworp wo our fully sworn officers
and they just go off. I mean at the time,
I didn't know they had two or three more weeks
worth of training to catch up on because the curfew
they graduate on Friday. We're paying them as constable as
we could deploy them tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Well, look, I'm certainly not the judge, jury and executive
of everything.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
I'll let listeners make up their own what they think.

Speaker 6 (28:51):
But also if you add to that too, that there's
been a bit of smoke and mirrors about the attrition
rate as well, and Nathan Finn came out and talked
about how you know, he disputed the figures that the
minister right here, sitting here was talking about. So I
don't know, like it just seems to be adding up.
There's a lot of words, like I keep saying, a
lot of information out there that just seems to be

(29:12):
to try and you know, say what territorians want to
hear instead of.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
What the truth actually is.

Speaker 5 (29:18):
Can I answer that? So I actually just think you
don't have to ask though you can't.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Well, I just sure, Tony.

Speaker 5 (29:24):
Anyhow, So what Nathan Finn came out in the NTPA
is they went March to March. No one measures attrition
based on March to March. It is financial years, so
it is a financial do your and your report on
at the time I made the declaration of thirty first
to March in estimates which I'm accountable to the House
on I was very clear on that. I made it
on the parliamentary record. Six point one four percent, a
fantastic attrition rate from the start of July last year

(29:47):
to thirty one March. He's gone and fudge the numbers
and use March to March. So he's used a twelve
month period outside the reporting period because the March numbers
from twenty twenty three were used in last financial years
report say.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Police numbers have been something that has been a point
of contention right from when Michael Gunner was in opposition,
right and right from when the promise was made of
one hundred and twenty additional police which ever, whoever.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
Made us, Yes, Terry Mills time, there was a promise
of one hundred and twenty. I don't know why this
magical hundred and twenty comes from, but.

Speaker 5 (30:17):
I can tell you where it came from. No.

Speaker 7 (30:19):
One hundred and twenty and fifty.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
We don't we need more than two hundred.

Speaker 5 (30:25):
Listen, there's a bit of an understanding of what happened. Yes,
Terry Mills committed to one hundred and twenty extra police officers,
didn't They said that there was There was a letter
from the NTPA in that term of government saying how
disappointed they were they didn't get it. We did get
that one twenty across the line nineteen.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
It was where there was the point of contention though
again when you guys came in where yeah, where that's yes.
So there was different figures being used. And this is
the point that I'm making.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Even with the figures that you're talking about now and
what Nathan Finn's talking about, I don't think anybody is
ever going to be you know fully well fully sort
of in absolute agreement on those police I tell you,
the only time when people won't care about those police
numbers is when they feel as though there's enough police
on the street. And that is fundamentally what it comes

(31:09):
down to, right. We want to make sure that if
you call through to the call center, you're able to
get somebody out, and that's what people care about. But look,
I do want to ask why we are sort of
still on this topic of crime and how we're dealing
with crime. We know that last Friday was the sentencing
of Keith Kiranoa, the man who murdered twenty year old

(31:32):
bottle shop worker Declan Lavity, was sentenced to a life
in prison with a non parole period of twenty years.
There has been some discussion about mandatory sentencing following on
from that sentencing, but we also know that there was
a lot more detail I think you'd have to say,
provided in those sentencing submissions. So Crown Prosecutor Marty Aust

(31:55):
describing Kiranoa as a very dangerous, violent young man, pointing
to a number of prior examples of his offending, including
in the hours before he killed mister Lavity. We know
that Kiiranoah's lawyer, John Tippett Casey argued that his client
should not receive any more than the mandatory minimum twenty
year non parole period.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
But you know, seeing some of that further offending and.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Taking into account the discussions that we've had at different
times about whether you know, whether our bail works the
way in which we are dealing with offenders, and I
guess stepping away from this situation to some degree, but
talking about, you know, talking about breaches of bail and
talking about whether our bail is strong enough, I mean, what.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Did you make of that?

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Of the sentencing and when you then sort of heard
some of those sentencing remarks and you look at the
way in which we're currently dealing with the issues of crime.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
Well, he was found guilty of murder by the jury,
and under current empty laws, that's a minimum twenty year sentence.
They called it a life sentence without parole, but it
could be extended depending on circumstances. I don't know how
the sensing works in a court system, and I think
the question that people have asked you in putting the

(33:14):
family is how was that kind of person on bail
in the first place, given he'd previously attacked I think
young people, and that night he had been on a
spree with his mates, attacking or robbing or thieving or
whatever he was doing.

Speaker 7 (33:25):
So I think that's the question.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
I mean, clearly, what was done was done, and he's
going to spend I suspect rest of his life in jail.
But it's how he got to be on bail in
the first place, which enabled him then to do what
he didn did.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
And I suppose the you know, look, I want to
be careful what we say and the way in which
this has dealt with, but I guess the way I
looked at this is I looked at this and I thought,
you know, somehow we've actually failed both of these young men.
That's you know, that was sort of the take that
I took from it, where I thought, you know, it's
not this is an absolutely tragic situation.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
However you look at it. There has been a loss
of life, and Declan should never have been killed while
he was in his workplace. That should never ever have happened.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
But then I sort of took a step back and
thought to myself, should we have been in a situation
where the other young bloke was ever able to kind of.

Speaker 7 (34:16):
To you know, he was of legal age. I think
he was to get alcohol and you drive, you know, But.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
I suppose the question is did the system let him
down before it reached that point.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
Well, I'm sorry maclare, I'd say no, you know, like
it's he did what he did and he's going to
suffer the consequences. You know, he is a was a
grown man, he was an adult, and you can't tell
me he didn't know what he was doing. I'm tired
of people making excuses for people who commit horrendous crimes.
You know that somehow something was wrong in his life.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
And look, I'm not saying that, I'm more saying if
he wasn't already if he was, if he was not
on bail, could we have prevented our death?

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Katie.

Speaker 6 (34:58):
This this has been played out very publicly, of course,
But besides the actual case, bail has been something that
you know, the Corp has been fighting for for for years,
you know, previous oppositions plus this one, and you know,
we've brought forward changes to the Bail Act for serious
bilet offenders, no matter what kind of weapon they've got.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
We you know, Labor removed breach of bailer's an offense.

Speaker 6 (35:23):
Now one could argue that if if breach of bar
was an offense, maybe there would be more an offense.
There would be more that you know that that particular
offender wouldn't be at that bottle shop on that night.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (35:35):
I can't enter into you know how that was all unfolding,
But it just goes to show that we we need
to be working on things that stop people from committing
really violent of offenses. We need to be making sure
that you know our laws, which is set by the Parliament.
I mean, we can go into Parliament at any stage
and create a law, have it debated and then passed

(35:58):
really quickly. I mean we've seen them past real quickly before.
Labor will keep talking about generational change, but they're actually
not dealing with any of these root clauses. And I
just think that because they don't want to have this conversation.
They they keep talking and talking and talking. But at
the end of the day, if those laws were strengthened,
then we would have less crime on our streets.

Speaker 5 (36:19):
So I will absolutely have this conversation you just said.
We don't absolutely want to have it because what you
just said there is factually incorrect. You said breach of
bail has been removed as offense, and this just shows
that they don't want to be genuine mid Territorians. It
has for youth, but not for adults. This kid or
that he was a teenage at nineteen, he is an
adult in the eyes of the court. Breach of bail
is absolutely a criminal offense for an adult who goes

(36:41):
and breaches their bail. So let's make that really clear
for Territorians. For youth, we removed it because they were
actually not getting before the court for the original offending
that they needed to be therefore, but they were getting
put before the court for breaches. So that's the context
now we have mandatory sentencing for murder, and he's got
mandatory sentenced. He's got a minimum of twenty twenty years.
If the judge wanted to give him a longer sentence,

(37:02):
he's entitled to do so. It is the minimum. So
I think he got exactly what he deserved. I think
it's a tragic outcome for the family, for Declan for
every territory and that's gone through this. We deliberately tried
to not make comment on this what was going through
the court because we wanted to see him get the
absolute maximum that he could and listen, at the end
of the day, I wouldn't tell the judge had a
sentence in this issue. He's giving him a minimum twenty years.

(37:25):
This kid's life is wrecked as well. But what we
want to see over the next twenty years while he
is in prison is him bettering himself so that if
he does, at some point in the future after twenty years,
become eligible for parole, which just for those that are listening,
is managed by a parole board, has nothing to do
with government. It's independently assessed by the chair that he's
in a better position to do. So.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Look, we're going to take a really quick break. You
are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.
It is the week that was well, we are speeding
through the hour. It is just eleven minutes away from
ten o'clock. I do want to speak about the fact
that we know the first leader's debate apparently happened a
little earlier in the week. Cam Smith from the News
was there to cover it. He's written a story for
the paper today. So evil Aula had said that nearly

(38:07):
eleven billion dollars had gone out the door to assist industry.
So talking about, you know, the vision to build the
Northern Territory, she said the government's achievements included a billion
dollars in new remote housing, extracting four billion dollars from
the Commonwealth for additional remote housing, the CDU City Campus
see Alis Springs and Darwen Indigenous art galleries, the Darwin CBD,

(38:28):
progressing Middle arm and developing the ship lift. Leofanocchiaro said
that she had held well that Labor had held government
for nineteen of the past twenty three years, including the
last eight in a row, and she said, well, there's
a lot of talk around infrastructure and biggest budgets and
shiplifts and all these things. There's been very little by
way of delivery. And she said, if Defense wasn't here

(38:49):
in the territory, many of you would be wondering what
it is exactly that they're working on. So look, no
doubt it would have been an interesting discussion. It always
is when you've got the leaders in. There's what we're
starting to see though, is the battle lines being drawn,
things shaping up as we head to an election.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
I'm amused and amused how Labour's just being a plan
old copycat ah with.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
The housing announcement ideas and.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
The lights of someone the lights at friend's pass, which
is good, but let's not let's not forget rugby union
that needs lights as.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Well, and also a couple of the fields and not
a few actual ground craft.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
And then the housing thing. I mean COLP promised fifty
and then Labour's now promising sixty thousand. There is a difference,
well ten thousand, No, no, no, there is a difference
as in who's eligible. Oh well that might means the
concept the foundation is there, they did it need So
I'm just trying to think what other announcements have you
got coming not tell any but I think it.

Speaker 5 (39:43):
Is a point of difference. Like we all agree, both
major parties, and I even think the Greens and others
would agree with this. We need to build more houses. Now.
Where we disagree from the COLP is we don't want
to be we don't want We know that Medicare is
worth a significant amount of money for territorians and for
the territory economy, so you need to be a territory
to access that. So our you know program that we're

(40:04):
from the home build a boost does go to sixty
thousand dollars, but you have to be a territorian and
we our position is territory to stay.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
People from other places to move here.

Speaker 5 (40:19):
Market.

Speaker 6 (40:20):
Let me clarify. In our scheme, you have to live
in that house that you have built for twelve months.
So that's not investors across the seaboard. That are people
living here in the territory for twelve months. And we
know that if people bed down routes, they buy a house,
they make it into business, they will send their kids
to school.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
If they stay here for that twelve.

Speaker 6 (40:38):
Months, they're more likely to stay much much longer, which
is what we need, we want, we need new territorians
and are nice gradual growth into the future. So can
I stop telling territory question investors? It's not the case question.
You can explain it new territorians. What define how you
mean live in the place for twelve months? Do they
for example, for example, just have to have their address

(40:59):
and live in there for twelve months, because that's what
investors do, and they've done it around the programs around
the country. They change their address, they get their mail
delivered there, but they're not actually living in it. What
we're saying is you have to be a territory, which
means we get the Medicare rebate that comes back into
the territory and it ultimately stops the investors coming in
and inflating the market.

Speaker 5 (41:16):
Exactly tell people what a territory is. I don't think.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
After guess my question is.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
The way that I look at this is if we
are trying to get nurses, we're trying to get teachers,
if we're.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Trying to get people to move to the Northern.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Territory after you've worked here for a year, or if
you've if you've moved here and you think, do you
know what I love this place? I'd love to buy
my first home or I'd love to build my first time.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
What should you be yes.

Speaker 5 (41:40):
So at that point you talk about they would have
had to under the legislation anyway, updated their driver's license,
change it, all those pieces. So you're saying no, no,
you're saying they just have to purchase it and live
in it for twelve months. That isn't that they haven't
been here already. So we each we it is true,
and we've been very clear. As we've been very clear
on this, you have to be a territory and you

(42:01):
have to live here.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
You're not just peas out done is on this one.
And as you're trying to pick holes, you're trying to
play catch up.

Speaker 5 (42:09):
It's actually at the end of the day.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
But the thing is, though, then you've got to ask yourself, well.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
What exactly you guys, what are you planning on doing
then to try to get people to move to the
Northern Territory to fill some of those different jobs. If
they're not able to, you know, like, if they're not
actually able to take advantage of some of these schemes, can.

Speaker 7 (42:26):
I give you an example.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
Part of the problem is we need to build out
and grow our resource industries, so we have our own
source revenue.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
That's part of the issue.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
But the other part of the problem is the bureaucracy
here currently with some of the governags is just horrendous.
I am a young woman staying at my place at
the moment, and she's a midwife and she's applied for
a job with me Watch to go and work at
Norlan Boy for I think one or two months. The
paperwork that she's had to go through, including Department of
Health proving proving that, showing this, showing that, and then

(42:57):
it got delayed and then this got said it's only
for two month con and she's a very qualified midwife
and bloody Victoria. So getting through the paperwork is a
bureaucracy thing, you know, it doesn't matter what it is.
The bureaucracy that some of these government departments, including including education,
including health, yep, they are making it so difficult and
that's where strong leadership needs to come into play from

(43:17):
the ministers to direct the departments to get their shit together,
to get these people such that they can get jobs.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
In the tech here.

Speaker 5 (43:26):
That one out to the individual that you talk about there.
But at the end of the day, when you talk
about attracting people to come the territory. I don't want
to steal the thunder of the Chief. There's more to
be done. But in terms of actual jobs, that's what
you need, a job for someone to come. And we
know that the territory is a place where people can come,
can jump two or three positions in their career and
profession and arguably a lot of them will stay, some

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will go home. But for those that do come here
to take that sort of leap into the territory, we
want to build the build the economy. That's the major project.
We see that with the Santos project coming on next
year at about a two point five percent incre to
our growth state product and seven percent a year after
Bedeloo's coming on we saw ten more and list on
the stock exchange. Recently, we do see defense pumping in
about five percent increase to growth in the growth state

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product over the next until the end of the decade.
We see our a few resources looking to you know,
hopefully we see FID later this year from them. I
think there is enough incentive for people to come in
territory because the jobs are coming.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
My stock is there.

Speaker 6 (44:24):
How do we have had this problem about housing for
a long time, right, there's been nowhere for people to
live like I mean the rental market as an example
is crazy people applying left front and center.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
And not being able to get into somewhere.

Speaker 6 (44:33):
If the government was serious about Territorians building their first
first home, then they would have listened to industry and
territorians years ago and had a first home own owner
and build a scheme. Now they got rid of it
that hasn't been here forever. Now seven weeks out from election,
they run out of ideas, they copy the COLP. They're
now telling lies about whether you're a Territorian or not,

(44:54):
saying that you know you're not for us. Another point
I want to make is that you had a listener
yes today Katie text in and ask about downsizing, you know, if.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
You're whether you can downsize or what incentives there off
for people to downside size exactly.

Speaker 6 (45:07):
And this is where this this existing homeowners scheme we've
got the homegrown we're calling it, which where if you're
already a territorial with an existing property, so you've you've
been a first time I owner before you can get
thirty thousand dollars to be able to build and move
into for at least twelve months a new home, which
of course allows you to move from a bigger house

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wherever that may be, into something a bit smaller, and
it includes units as well. So I think you know
this is a huge game changing plan that the cel
Pece putting forward labor have run out of ideas. They've
showed up to eight years that they they weren't going
to do it, and all of a sudden they tell
us it was a brain fight when we announced it
during budget, and now they're saying, oh, yep, me too.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
It's going to have to be fus really good.

Speaker 5 (45:48):
See, the brain fight is about how much it costs.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
We got our cost brand. Just to clarify, twenty million dollars.

Speaker 5 (45:53):
I'm going to be really quickly. Ours is twenty two million,
because ours came back from Treasury. We got ours costed.
Yours hasn't been costed yet. You said you're going to
do it in August. The figures that we're getting from
the people that do this costing is fifty seven million
dollars for sale.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Twenty million dollars.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
How come though, what are you doing your homework on
them instead of yourselves? And shall lead into an election
when you haven't done it your selves for the last
eight years.

Speaker 5 (46:14):
We cost every commitment in every budget, so them from
a sale if they haven't made any commitments until now
because it is an election year, so we can only
cost what they put on the table. They need to
put their costings out. We've done it comes in at
fifty seven million hours at twenty two So you guys
have come up with.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Their costing being fifty seven million.

Speaker 5 (46:29):
That's a number.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Does that.

Speaker 7 (46:33):
Just giving sixty thousand.

Speaker 5 (46:35):
We're not increasing the number.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Of you need to increase hundred.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
I'm very sorry. Speaking of costings, We've got to pay
the bills. I'm going to have to go to an
ad right you are listening to mix one O four
nine three sixty.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Time for us to wrap up before we do, though,
I did want to say that that leaders debate yesterday.
Cam Smith reporting in the NT News today that that
the Chief Minister was asked about the Kavana sheet Are
Street shade structure after images had emerged of the timber
damaged apparently on the Foliage Challenge structure.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
She said she loves the shade structure.

Speaker 7 (47:08):
But she didn't talk about the plant it's the wrong
bloody plant.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
So you reckon the structures, all right, they just need
a new never had an issue with them. What do
you reckon? Brain? Because is that going to be a commitment.

Speaker 5 (47:20):
Everything seems to be a commitment at the moment. I'll
do your commitmentsier when you're done, and you will get
you as a consultant, and I'll get.

Speaker 4 (47:31):
The right people to give advice, like Tina Stanford or
Tina south depending you know she likes to be called
and get the right bloody plants through all. Chris Crawdis
is also a deciduous plant in the dross. And so
when you want it to be all pretty, it's got
no bloody leads on them.

Speaker 7 (47:47):
Just to you gone roll down.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
I'm happy to admit that I like. I liked the
idea of the shade structure.

Speaker 5 (47:55):
Right.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
You go to Singapore somewhere and you see the plants
growing from the buildings, you see the nice greenery. I
liked the idea of it. I love the idea of
like more trees and stuff around the city.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Agree to you.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
Completely, But the wrong bloody plant a long while to
count I'm worried, said it didn't have enough water. She
said it was dry in the boxes.

Speaker 5 (48:16):
Let's just sort that out first, can we in the
South and get the right.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
We are We are going to have to come.

Speaker 5 (48:24):
To a different one, commit to a different one.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
For the water fruit.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Fruit Brent Porter, thank you so much for your time
this morning for the flavor party.

Speaker 5 (48:36):
Thank you to the families that are on school holidays.
Keep keep your chin up.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
We're nearly there. Nearly there.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Puric, thank you for your time this morning. Marie Claire
Body from the c LP, thank you for your time
to get.

Speaker 6 (48:47):
India at Mendol's on Saturday night. An absolute amazing affair.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Awesome. Well, thank you all so much for your time
this morning.