The Week That Was – 2nd August 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Time for the week that was, and joining us live
in the studio this morning for the seal P Marie
Claire Boothby, Good.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Morning to you, Katy and to your listeners.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
We've got Thomas Morgan from the A b C. I
was about to say, your old employee.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
From the ABC.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Political Reporter and state Line as well. Yes say occasionally yes.
And we've also got well Kezier Puric, the outgoing member
of for Goners.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Still going, It's still going, It's still here, Brown.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
And morning Bluish people.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
And for the Labor Party we've got Kate Warden. Good
morning to you, Kate.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Good morning, and good morning to everybody in Sanderson this morning.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Lovely to have you all in the studio.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
And of course we know that the countdown to the
Northern Territory election day on August twenty four. It has
officially begun, the government entering caretaker mode yesterday, the Northern
Territory Administrator Hugh Hegy issuing the election writ yesterday, meaning
that Labour can no longer make significant policy decisions in
this term of office. Now we know that yesterday those

(01:07):
two campaigns really kicked off in Palmerston, didn't they Tom.

Speaker 5 (01:10):
They did both Eva Lawla and Livnachiara holding their first
press conferences of the campaign in Palmerston, which of course
will be a very interesting part of the Northern territory.
Four seats up for grabs there on election night and
the CLP have two at the moment, including you Marrick
lab you know Eva Laula also holding a seat there.
Wonder what will happen there, and then of course Mark

(01:31):
Turner's seat, which will be a three way contest, I suspect.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, it's a really interesting electorate and well not electorate
whole area. You know, Palmerston is its own little city
and its own.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Right have changed that, yeah quite a bit, Yeah, I have.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
And look, I think that that as we would have
expected yesterday. I've been interviewing quite a number of the
candidates already across the different electorates, and by far and beyond,
the biggest thing that's being raised they're telling me on
the doors is of course crime and law and order,
and not unexpectedly, yesterday those campaigns did seem to launch
from both the major political parties really talking about those issues,

(02:09):
and the timing well quite interesting given the fact that
we know as well yesterday we spoke to a resident.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Al out there in Woodroff who'd.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Spoken to us about the situation that occurred with well,
with stolen vehicle, doing burnouts, drunken behavior. We know that
then a car was set alight. You went out there
yesterday as well.

Speaker 6 (02:33):
Tom, Yeah, I had a chat with Alan.

Speaker 5 (02:35):
He seems like he said as wits end and has
said that he was a long term labor voter. He'd
been there, had been living in that street for nine
months now and he just said that he was fed
up with what had been seeing. He shared some footage. Obviously,
the footage that we've been seeing on social media over
the last couple of days has been quite confronting. And

(02:56):
this is really what I think the government is going
to have to confront over the next.

Speaker 6 (03:00):
Couple of weeks.

Speaker 5 (03:00):
Is really what is happening in places like Palmerston where
there is such a I think an attitude of this
isn't this isn't right, this isn't good enough.

Speaker 6 (03:09):
We need something to change.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
And a quick message from OL this morning he said,
good morning Katie.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Al here.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
I'd love the opportunity to thank our community publicly. We
held a meeting last night, forty plus people all the parties,
the ABC and NT news attendant. So we wanted to
thank the community for everybody turning up and sort of
being there. But look, you know that behavior that was
experienced is not acceptable.

Speaker 7 (03:30):
Katie, and unfortunately for Palmerston that has been our reality
for a number of years now. We have I mean,
the fact that there was a car fire was probably
the i thing on the cake for that street, but
it has been ongoing for so long. There is constantly
smashed glass. There are people who think it's okay to
start rioting in the streets. They drink an exorbitant amount

(03:54):
of alcohol, They're back and forth to the bottle shop.
They're just causing absolute chaos for every one that lives
around that area. But it's not just in that one street,
it is right throughout Palmerston and people have just had enough.
I mean, the government keep talking this big talk about
what they're going to do and throw all this money
and extra police at the crime problems, but they've had
eight long years to be able to deal with this.

(04:14):
And it's like Tom said, the Palmeston residents have absolutely
had enough. We've been calling on them to take action
and now at the death they're now talking about more
money again, Well, looks all they've got.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
I know that for our What he'd said to us
yesterday as well is that he believed that some of
the people that were there causing the trouble were from
Port Keats.

Speaker 8 (04:34):
Absolutely, Katie, and I'll comment on that. So Port Keats
has had some social unrest for a long time, and
some of these issues at Port Keat's go back, you know,
forty sixty years, and I'm not saying that as an excuse,
but that is a reality. And so a lot of
housing if you go to Port Keats you can sell
what you can actually see how the housing has been
built there quite a long time ago, all on top

(04:55):
of each other, and there's clan groups there of you know,
I think there's twenty two clang groups all living together.
So that's a historic issue that has happened, and we've
seen that urban drift of people into Darwin over time
because people are uncomfortable with the fighting there that goes
on between families. That's not an easy fix because it
could have been fixed. If it could have been fixed,
it would have been fixed. So lots of intervention going

(05:16):
on in the ground there. People need to move back
to homelands. And I was out there very very recently
and old people told us very very clearly they want
an investment by the federal government back into homelands.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
We've just got that investment.

Speaker 8 (05:29):
So the territory sold itself out from that investment via
the federal government back in about twenty thirteen under Giles.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
So it's taken a long time to get the Feds
back on the hook in that space.

Speaker 8 (05:40):
They want to see those homelands fixed up again so
people can go back. All the evidence shows that kids
on homelands really thrive. So we've been doing that work.
We haven't just started. America will say, oh, they just
started eight long years.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
That work has been going on in waif for two
years now.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
But it's the situation is have got though now at
the moment is this is now blots in Palmerston.

Speaker 8 (06:01):
I understand that, Katie, and at the moment we've also
seen a lot of people come in for the show,
and so there's a real push now through public housing,
safety and police are all coordinating together to get visitors home.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
It happens.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
We've seen it in our screen and Olie Spring.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
And Catherine.

Speaker 8 (06:18):
People come in for a big event and then they
don't go home, And I totally acknowledge it's not acceptable.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
You've got to have a plan to going home.

Speaker 6 (06:26):
But we've got a normally.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Accessible it's criminal behavior, it's other people's cars up is criminal.

Speaker 8 (06:31):
Nobody is saying that that's not and nobody is saying
it's acceptable. But when people come into town and are
staying and overcrowding, it's very very difficult to know immediately
where they are and to actually think, oh, they're all
going to commit criminal behavior when you start to see it.
You've got to make that big surge through and get
people to go home. But also there's some responsibility and
personal responsibility in this. We see it around health. Pet

(06:54):
families come in around health two or three come with
the person that's sick, They stay and they anti social
behavior and have what they might term as a bit
of a holiday in Darwin when they're on the grog.
Nobody's saying that's acceptable. It's the response that you have
to that. And you've seen us now with that big
investment into police to really surge through and push people
back out to their home.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
But sorry, talking just one of the issues that Alan
was talking about yesterday was that he had been calling
the police and he had been calling for empty housing
to come out to have a look at what I
understand to be social housing blocks near to where his
property is, except and he said that no one had
really come past until this incident the other night. And
now all of a sudden there's cops swarming one street

(07:38):
in Palmerston. But it's taken this level of offending to
actually get to this point, which is.

Speaker 8 (07:43):
That's why we need more police, Tom And that's the
work that we did and we need two hundred new
police and we must invest in that and make that
commitment out.

Speaker 6 (07:51):
Money have been put in place several years ago.

Speaker 8 (07:55):
No you need evidence about it. So there was a
lot of back and forth. I was the Police minister.
Absolutely we acknowledge that when a review was called, you
have to know where that money needs to go. You
can't just keep throwing money at an organization. You actually
have to have some research and we did the research
and that review showed us it was really well led
and really well done. It shows us where the money
needs to go, which areas of police it needs to

(08:17):
go in, and look.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
This is where we're at now.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
The come election time is that we actually in a
situation right now where I think that this is what
voters are going to have, is the opportunity to either
stay on the same path that we're on and stay
on the path of what the government describes as hard
grinding work, or you know, go down a totally different
path that the COLP is putting forward, or potentially in
some electorates vote for the independence.

Speaker 8 (08:40):
Now.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
I guess the issue that the Northern.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Territory Labor Party have got right now is that while
that hard grinding work.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
That you call it is continuing to.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Go on the streets of Palmerston feel as though they're
under siege. You know, people are feeling as though the
issues that are happening on the streets are simply.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
Not good enough.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
I saw another lady yesterday who's got her father who
has dementia that she cares for in that home out
in Woodroff and she does not feel safe leaving him
at home during the day.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
That's next level, Katie, what we need to do.

Speaker 8 (09:14):
And you saw what we did. We took very decisive action.
Eva Laula took that decisive action in Alice Springs with
the curfew. They're the sorts of things that you'll see
from us, and so we know that this is an issue.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
We've seen it is.

Speaker 9 (09:28):
Or we've seen a surge capacity were police minister, didn't
we see that the advice we were getting from police,
and we did have a change of leadership in police,
the advice we were getting previously is that a curfew
will not work.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Police were really worried. And if you.

Speaker 5 (09:42):
Look advice from police though, advice from people at chancey
Paikho and I believe also seeing that.

Speaker 8 (09:49):
No, so we had advice and if you look on
even a quick Google will show you that curfews can
end up with police being a taxi service.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
And that's the the words. They did not want to
be a.

Speaker 8 (10:01):
Taxi service taking chick kids back and forth from home
because then if they took them home, they'd come back.
They did not want that to happen. And if you
look online, curfews and other places have not worked. But
we decided that given the pressure that we were under,
that we would try anything. It has worked in Alice
Springs and I've said repeatedly I am very happy to
cop that one because I can only go and the

(10:24):
CLP may find they.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Well, the government did have to be dragged there even
that time, kicking and screaming. I have a near stand
up argument with the Chief Minister about dorn Air because
my argument always is while the police may be the
ones that need to make that decision, you guys sitting
in this room are elected by the Northern Territory public
to listen to the people.

Speaker 8 (10:45):
Also to listen to the people that are in that
work day in.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
The day, the community screaming out for hell to the
community and are you guys really listening to what the
community is saying there?

Speaker 8 (10:59):
We are undercent Katie. What you're saying is that as
a minister you should ignore the advice people police.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
That is not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is
you've got to listen to the people that elect you.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Absolutely we do, and.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Not only vote for you, but the ones that don't
vote for you. You've got to listen to the whole
of the Northern Territory because that is the job of
our politicians.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Absolutely it is.

Speaker 8 (11:21):
But when you're getting strong advice that a curfew won't work,
you have to look at other things and you need
to change legislation, which we've done a whole range of
things is what I'm saying.

Speaker 9 (11:29):
I'm not saying that we I want to keep moving
because there is a lot going on when it comes
to crime, and one of the other issues that we've
seen is obviously overnight we're being told by the Northern
Territory Police at four boys and a man have been
arrested after allegedly stealing a car from Nightcliff.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Overnight.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Detectives from Strike Force Trident found the car about three
am on the Stuart Highway that was south of Cooler Linger.
Tire spikes were deported, bringing the car to a halt,
with the group arrested soon after. Investigations do continue. Now
we also know that police have recovered three stolen cars
from a business in Alice Springs overnight. All of those

(12:03):
vehicles were located within ninety minutes with the help of
tracking technology and CCTV. Tire spikes were used, with the
dog squad deployed as well to track the offenders. It's
understood that six people were involved and Strike Force Viper
is working to find them. Well done to the police
obviously on the hard work that it does sound like

(12:24):
they are doing, but.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
It's just gaddie.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
It's never ending. And I mean, we've talked about this
ad nauseum over the last four years, I guess, in
this term of government on your show. And I've always
said and we'll say again, the level of the crime
is continuing to escalate and get more serious. We've seen
that with knife and machetes and attacking old people in
their homes, robbing old people at shopping centers. There is

(12:51):
blatant disregard by a cohort of young people in all
the towns, not just dogs as adults. Yeah, that's true,
that's true, and yes the police scooped them up, round
them up. But the police have to work within the
laws that they are given. And I've said it and
I'll say it again, and people know it out there
because they say it to me. There are no consequences

(13:11):
or they believe that the perpetrators there's no consequences, so
they don't care. They go for their gratuitous fix of
enjoyment with a car that they can steal, and don't
blame the people for leaving keys on a bench. That
should be their right to leave their kids on their
bench in their home. And so they take the cars
and they just do whatever, and then they dump them
and go and steal someone else's cars. It's just a
revolving door and it will be I know, the police

(13:32):
will know the cohort, but it's getting them and capturing
them and getting them to understand the consequences and that
means they go to the new don Dale so be it.

Speaker 6 (13:42):
Well, that's what we've got it to look through.

Speaker 5 (13:44):
The know, to look at this as like an election issue.
You know, you mentioned they're Katie that the car was
stolen from Nightcliff. You know, it's one thing to talk
about Palmeston which has these issues very front and center.
And you know, we can expect that the CELPO will
probably do pretty well in Palmeston because these issues have
been very high profile. But you know, where the northern
suburbs are in this contest has so far being that

(14:06):
Labor is probably going to cling on there. But if
crime does become the key issue and we do see
more incidents like these in the northern suburbs, then you
do have to wonder whether the CLP, you know, whether
this could cost the government seats because of their handling
of this issue in seats that the CLP haven't won
since two thousand and one.

Speaker 7 (14:21):
For instance, I've been outdoor knocking in the Northern Suburbs
with our candidates out there, and I can tell you
it is the same feeling that I get when I
do knock in Palmerston. All of the residents that we
spoke to, the number one concern is their safety.

Speaker 8 (14:34):
And we're coming in behind you, Marie Claire, and you
know what we're hear from them. We had the CLP around.
They were only interested in crime. They didn't want to
listen to anything that we had to say. They weren't
interested about the cost of living. Their opening lines are, ah,
you experiencing crime here. That's what you guys are doing.
You're stirring it up for your own political gain and
we know it. I go around every single day and
I've done it for nine years in the Northern Suburbs,

(14:56):
and I can tell you people have got a lot
more on their mind than that. And when you un
pack it and say have you had crime here? And
I did it all day yesterday, the answer was actually no.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Here.

Speaker 8 (15:05):
It's great, we're really happy here, but we do feel
a little unsafe around shop some of the shopping centers.
And we unpack that and talk to them about what
that is and the work that we're doing, and I
walk away and they're very satisfied. The problem is that
you guys are opening on crime with every question you have,
and people are absolutely sick of it. And I was
reading that in the paper today that they can't wait

(15:25):
for the election to be finished because then they won't
hear Oh, well let's talk about superannuation.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Well let me tell you about crime. And that's the.

Speaker 8 (15:33):
Only response you've had for the last eight years. You
like to whip up a frenzy and people are really
sick of it in my area.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
So clear response to Kate.

Speaker 6 (15:42):
That is so interesting.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
It's even though we're.

Speaker 7 (15:50):
Sorry, that really threw us with Kate just going on
a rant there. I mean, Kate, you have to know
that those people raise it with us first, it's the
number one issue that they raise.

Speaker 8 (16:01):
I bring it up because we've had people walk in
and say, goodness, we had the CLP and yesself, Well.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
Look I'll step up and be the adult here.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
I think that you know, at the end of the day,
the election, every vote, every person has equal voice when
it comes to the election. And you know, Okate, if
what you are saying is correct, well you guys are
going to win on an absolute majority. If crime is
not the issue that that you know that others believe
it is that the seal he believes it is that

(16:32):
you guys.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
Have got nothing to worry about issue.

Speaker 8 (16:34):
But what I said is the way that they're campaigning
and walking around and asking people that is an opening
question every single time.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
People are tired of it.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
I think there's a lot more going.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
I think that people actually care about the issues rather
than what people are asking or as their opening question.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
I actually think that you're splitting hairs there inside talk.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
About as a local member. There's lots as we.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Do on air, but you're making it a bit difficult
at the moment when you're you know, like when you're
talking about that and saying that you know, people are
only saying to U, X, Y and Z. It's it's
you know, like give Mary Claire an opportunity to speak
as well.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
But she opened with it. She had a big go
about spray about past.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
All right, do you know what, let's take a bit
of a break.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
You are listening to mix one oh four nine's three
sixteen if you've just joined us in the studio this morning.
We've got Kate Warten, Keesy Apuric, Thomas Morgan and Marie
Claire Boothby. Now overnight, the Royal Darwin Hospital and Palmeston
Regional Hospitals have announced that they're experiencing challenges due to
a substantial increase in the number of patients requiring acute

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care and admission to hospital. Now, to manage that situation
and ease the pressure on the hospital system, a code
yellow is now in place at Royal Darwin and Palmerston
Regional Hospital. We've had quite a number of code yellows
in recent years.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
It's something I sort of hadn't.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Heard a huge amount about before the you know, probably
I guess the last four year.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
What's yellow different to brown?

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Well, I don't I think different, you know, different levels of.

Speaker 5 (18:07):
The humunic patients in the emergency apartment, et cetera. But this,
really out of score is how serious the situation is
in the health service.

Speaker 6 (18:15):
Like we can talk about crime, but the other.

Speaker 5 (18:17):
Big issue, one of the other big issues of this
election campaign is going to be the state of the
public health service in Darwin in particular. Ali Springs doesn't
have these code yellows nearly as much, but Darwin in
particular over the last year has had you know, you'd
have to say, almost a dozen code yellows. At this point,
they're double bunked in the emergency department. There's really big
issues around people staying there for weeks and weeks and

(18:39):
weeks because there's no age care facilities to move them into,
and there really needs to be I think both parties
need to really consider putting forward a whole bunch of
policies and promises over this election campaign about what to
do because it is you know, you talk to the
doctors in the RDH and they are stressed and stretched.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
Katie, I've got some people staying with me, some friends,
and they the lady had a trick and fell at
the gorge near Pine Creek and broke her arm in
three places and went to the Pine Creek area. They said,
you can't go to Catherine because they can't do the
surgery in Castron. We'll get an ambulance to come down.
So the husband said, no, old, drive at to a hospital.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
I don't know. It's a dance.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
So they come to Darn. They had all the paperwork
from the clinics and the doctors in Catherine they presented
to the Transit Center at Royal Dalne Hospital and were told,
we don't have any paperwork for you. Now you can't
tell me that the clinic hospital in Catherine can't talk
computer wise to the one in Darwin. So this woman
with three breaks in her arm and been given just
camberally for whatever, go away, come back tomorrow. So she's

(19:36):
gone in tomorrow and they had nothing. They had nothing,
and they said to her, why are we in the
transit land. We were told to come here transit Louse,
the transit center because you're going to operate on her today.
So there's some fundamental issues and with our health system
now it's I'm not blaming and I wouldn't blame any
of the practitioners health people in there, but it's either

(19:58):
resources or systems are not up to speed.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Or something.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
When we can't stop people getting hurt, you know, and
getting ill, but we can stop the level of crime
that's hurting people. And that's why we're getting more presentations
at our hospitals anywhere, whether it be potentially getting hurt
and so that's why they're presenting to hot Haitie.

Speaker 7 (20:18):
When I was still knocking yesterday, actually he met a
family and he was telling me that they were waiting
up at the hospital for an appointment with an orthopedic
which was already set at the public hospital for four
whole hours for his young son. And then he said, look,
and my wife is now pregnant again. And because we're
so worried about not being able to get the care
that we need. Not because of the doctors and nurses,

(20:39):
they're fantastic, but it's because of the system. They're actually
thinking about leaving Darwin. And I mean, that's the kind
of stories that I hear all the time when I'm
out and about because we have a hospital that is
quite literally the assault, alcohol assaults that are presented there,
the ten million dollars of security that we spend on
you know, patient security, Like that's just crazy easy numbers

(21:00):
because there's so many issues up there. And like Cazier said,
it goes back to the crime I mean, when we
have a crime crisis which is absolutely out of control,
of course the hospitals are.

Speaker 6 (21:08):
Going to be the bearing the brunt of that.

Speaker 5 (21:11):
There is there is that element of obviously alcohol and
violence related presentations. The other one which you know, talking
to people who work in the emergency departments, in both
Alice and Darwin is the level of domestic violence related
assaults that come in. You know, people who work on
the East Coast in hospitals they see maybe one domestic
violence patient a week. Here in Darwin and Alice Springings

(21:32):
it is constant, multiple people a night. And then you
just have the level of you know, disadvantage that you know,
particularly Indigenous territory and suffer and may have a lot
more health issues, you know, kidney disease and needing dialysis
and that issues, and those issues. It's not just sort
of you know, crime, it's also all the other issues
diabetes correct, you know, heart disease, all those other things

(21:53):
that really adding so much strain onto particularly the Royal
Darwin Hospital because it is only the only tertiary facility
in the Northern and.

Speaker 8 (22:01):
We do have that funding commitment with the federal government
now an extra three hundred million, but it's not funding
that'll fix alone.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Tom hit the nail on the head.

Speaker 8 (22:08):
It's a lot of age care patients in their particularly
around dementia, and traditionally that's a federal government space and
they should do something in that space.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
But the absence of that, we're building.

Speaker 8 (22:17):
A twelve million dollar facility out in Palmerston, and on
top of that, we're actually doing another thirty two beds
I want to say, at.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
The Royal Darwin Hospital.

Speaker 8 (22:27):
But you've also got to have the staff that goes
with that, and that's what that's really a big point,
and that's why our big pushes around domestic violence as well,
because you're absolutely right the severity of domestic violence.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
And I heard something quite disturbing last week.

Speaker 8 (22:39):
I might don't mind sharing it on air because I
think the more we understand around domestic violence and it's
shared around, is that particularly Indigenous men are hitting more
women around the head and causing head blows because it
makes them unattractive. Now that's something as a community we
need to talk about. So it's well researched and so
there's research around those sorts of things, and the Aboriginal
Advisor Committee I met with them last week and that's

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the sort of work that and information that we talk about.
It's quite heavy and so you see those sorts of
presentations and so over time you see you know that
brain getting hit around. It's no different for a boxer,
and I think men think that I hit her there
and it didn't. You couldn't see it, nothing around it.
But then you know, cumulatively the damage is done.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
Well, let's talk.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Let's talk a power about this funding as well for
domestic violence, because that is something that's been a big
talking point throughout this week, and we know that well,
a re elected labor government say that they are going
to fully fund critical programs and services to reduce domestic,
family and sexual violence. So, Kate, you and I had
spoken earlier in the week about this. So it's one
hundred and eighty million dollars Allo came. We've already over

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five years to reduce the territory's unacceptable rate.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Now I know that the COLP then came out and
matched it, but there is no doubt that.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
We've got some really serious, serious issues in this space.
I still can't wrap my head around, like to you know,
to sort of step away from the funding announcement that
was made. I still can't wrap my head around how
we don't have needspace funding go from the federal government.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Neither, yes, me neither.

Speaker 8 (24:11):
So I've been very very clear and very very loud.
In fact, I've got myself into trouble federally for doing it.
But I just don't care. I'm just going to keep
saying it. We need needspace funding. I do have a
written commitment from Amanda Wishworth that she will look.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
At it nationally, and I've got to stop looking.

Speaker 8 (24:27):
The issue is is that if you consider the funding
nationally as a pie at the moment, it's population based,
and we get one percent, that's about out of two
hundred and fifty million dollars a year, it's about one
point nine percent. Now, they'll argue they've given us an
extra ten million, but what they did around that is
they said you can have well, you can have ten
more workers, but in fact it's not enough to fund
ten workers, and it's only enough to fund eate and

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so it's you know that sort of stuff. It's hopeless.

Speaker 5 (24:52):
Well, I just want to sort of pick up on
the one hundred and eighty million dollar discussion, because that
was a figure that came out of the government's.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Eye work, which are initiated.

Speaker 5 (25:01):
Yes, but that figure was dropped in I believe October
last year or maybe October twenty twenty twenty twenty two,
and it's only taken now Jo Wishing Campaign.

Speaker 8 (25:10):
No, Tom, that's not correct. We have already invested fifty
million dollars since.

Speaker 5 (25:14):
There So why were all these domestic violence organizations and
organizations that work in the space last year accusing the
government of betraying them on this issue around the funding
by coming out and announcing a much slower figure.

Speaker 8 (25:24):
So we needed to work through slowly. They've already got
workforce pressures and this, as I've said this to Katie
earlier in the week, you can't just say suddenly, oh,
we're giving you an extra fifty million this year because
we won't spend it. We've on back of that, we've
also invested in infrastructure. So Dawnhouse has got a big
chunk of money to double their crisis center.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
So has the Aboriginal Want starsha Islander.

Speaker 5 (25:46):
Money available instead instead of having just like a flat
twenty million dollars.

Speaker 6 (25:49):
You can make that money available.

Speaker 8 (25:50):
Not how budgets worked, Tom, you need to make sure
you can cycle it through. So we're going to up
our budget next year if a re elected government. Why
we came out with the announcement as we wanted to
give the sector just complete certainty that re elected, we
will continue the work we've done because we've got the
ten year framework we had Action Plan one. We're in
well and truly into Action Plan two. We'll fully fund

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the rest.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Of that and Action Plan three will be developed with
the sector.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Have just received a note from someone within the federal
government saying that the federal government above have funding above
our per capital allocations regarding domestic family and central violence.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
It's not true, Katie.

Speaker 8 (26:28):
We got a letter indicator that was given to the
media before it was given to us out of the
federal government, and I don't mind having a public fight
with them on this. That basically included child care in
that that's not direct funded. What we need is direct
funding to frontline services. So they have given us above,
but what they did is they tied it to an
x amount of workers. Now nationally there is a problem

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with workers, so everybody's now struggling nationally to fill those positions.
Why not talk to us about where you're going to
place that funding, and why not talk to the sector
about where you're going to place that funding, and don't
just go in on your own.

Speaker 6 (27:01):
About the rest of it.

Speaker 5 (27:02):
Though, Well, I want to ask Marie clab what your
plans and the colp's plans are for this, because you
know Obviously you're hoping to be the government in less
than a month's time, so you know, is there anything
that you're going to do differently, particularly when it comes
to negotiating with the Commonwealth about funding.

Speaker 7 (27:17):
Yeah, well, I think much to what people might think,
we actually have a good working relationship with the federal
government no matter who's in government. I mean Lea goes
down to camera quite regularly and talks to the ministers
down there. We have committed to the one eighty million
as well, because we are quite prepared and make no
apology that we will spend whatever we need to to
make sure that we can get our rates of domestic
violence down. But it's not just about the money. We

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actually have to deal with the perpetrators as well, and
that's something that we haven't heard well from Labor like
we need.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Some people might be questioning this week whether that is
indeed possible and whether the cop is really serious about
this when the party's realistically been forced to distance themselves
from comments made by a former vice president in a
report by Liam Mendez in the Australian newspaper The CLP
campaign manager. Steve Doherty, a campaign manager for Helen's secretary

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has been asked to resign from the party after blaming
domestic violence victims for remaining in violent relationships. Now, according
to this report, Dougherty is refusing to step down after
the CLP president Shane Stone personally called upon him to
quit following the controversial comments in which he said women
should take some personal responsibility for their own lives. Now

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got to say the statement then that I received from
the CLP was pretty limited. It said this person is
a volunteer, his views do not represent the views of
the CLP. He's been asked to resign by the president
of the CLP.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Well, if he's done it.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
If he's been asked to resign and he's not resigning,
then he should have his membership terminated. It's very simple.
It's the same as in a private company. If you
say God like you to tend to your resignation, which
is a way of saving faith. If they don't tend
to the resignation, you sackem boot him out of the party.
So I mean, it's as simple as that. But I
just want to pick up on one point with about
this money and the optimistic violence and maybe out there

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with both parties, correct me.

Speaker 6 (29:06):
If it is.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
I don't see anything or any programs planned or any
suggestion of starting in the schools. Boys it's not a
good idea, and girls to beat up each other, and
the men shouldn't hit women.

Speaker 6 (29:20):
That is something that.

Speaker 5 (29:22):
Quite a few people who I talked to this week
have said, is that there's one hundred and eighty million
dollars is the bare minimum.

Speaker 6 (29:26):
But they could be doing a lot more of that
prevention work.

Speaker 5 (29:29):
In schools and in prisons as well to try and
turn people.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
So that's what it is all about.

Speaker 8 (29:35):
I mean, I don't think that the cop actually know
what the one eighty is all about, but the one
eighty is about across the whole of government. So that
is money and an education. We've got the fantastic Boys Can,
Girls Can. We've got relationships information for young people because
that is where it starts, because they've seen it in
their lives. All of this is driven essentially by poverty

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and how people feel about themselves as well, so you've
got to do that work. We've doubled our men's behavior
change programs so in prisons, out of prisons, that work
is well and truly underway. With the fifty million, we've invested.
We need more workers, fundamentally need more workers, and we
need to keep investing in the frontline services.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
That's our commitment. We're really clear about it.

Speaker 8 (30:15):
And I have to say, you know, last week the
sector for the very first time actually met sorry earlier
this week the sector met the CLP for the first
time this week.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
And they were pretty disappointed it's taken that long. That's
not true.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
We are going to take a quick break. There is
so much to discuss this morning. Let's take a bit
of a break. When we come back, we might talk
about some of the other promises being made. If you've
just joined us, well, it's certainly a busy morning in here.
We've got Kate Warden for the Labor Party, We've got
Kesier puck in, there's an independent still for a couple
more weeks, Thomas Morgan from the ABC and Mary Cleaarbooby

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with VCLP.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Now, there's been lots of promises made this week. I'll
tell you what.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Just before caretaker mode kicked in, well, things signed off.
That was not an election promise though, that's an actual
commitments and we know that there was two two major
sort of agreements signed off.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
When it comes to.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Education as well as a pay rise for our school
teachers thirteen percent, I believed over the next three years. Now,
I got no issue with our teachers being paid more.
In fact, we fight that they do need to be
paid more money, particularly you know, when you look at
the fact that they're educating our children across the Northern
Territory schools, we've got to make sure that we recruit.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
And retain them.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
But signing it off the day before the reason is issued,
I thought was very interesting.

Speaker 8 (31:34):
I come out on that because I having been involved
in EBA negotiations for our fires and police along the way.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
They are very, very tricky.

Speaker 8 (31:43):
Negotiations and they full due at different times, so you've
got no control.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
About when the last agreement expired.

Speaker 8 (31:50):
So as they come, they roll, and then from that
point on a negotiation some take longer and some don't.
So I think there was obviously a keenness to get
it done before the election, and that's where it landed.
No excuses.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
I'm with you, Katie.

Speaker 8 (32:03):
I think that our teachers deserve to be paid well,
and I did hear to he listened to a wonderful
interview yesterday where I think a very senior teacher was
speaking about just how it important it is to get
that through for certainty, but also to keep and attract
the best teachers here and make it attractive to get
more teachers because nationally there's a shortage of teachers and

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we need as many as we can here and we
need the best of them.

Speaker 5 (32:28):
It's been pretty funny this signing of this thirteen percent
pay rise, because Evil all I came out and said
that the union was so scared of what a COLP
government might provide them in terms of a pay rise,
you know, in terms of a deal that the union
came begging to the party, basically to Labor to sign
the deal. Now the union rejects that and says that
it's actually the government that up to their offer at
the last minute so that they could have a political

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win right before Appreciation entering caretaker mode. So I wonder
what is the actual truth here, whether you know, the
Labor just needed a last minute win on the board
before caretaker began.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
So I don't I just outright don't reject that.

Speaker 8 (33:02):
I think that these things just take time and that's
a good deal for them.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
And if that's how the negotiations felt, good for them.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
We caught up with the union a little earlier in
the week and it's something they've been pushing for. We
spoke to him yesterday, Michelle's it's something they've been pushing
for for quite some time. They were really concerned that
once the election was called that it was going to
totally slow things down. It was going to mean that
they weren't back at the negotiating table until September. But
I think that you know, politics is all about perception, right,
and the perception at the moment, rightly or wrongly, is
that the government has sort of pushed it through at

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the eleventh hour before an election. So, like I said,
that's rightly or wrongly, I agree that our teachers need
a pay increase fundamental.

Speaker 8 (33:38):
I also say, though, as a minister, this is the
first time I've been a minister going into caretaker. All
of a sudden, a whole heap of things get done.
That's just the nature of it. Just before so I
was signing five I don't think I've ever signed as
many files as than the last week, and it's you know,
people in the public service go, we've got to get.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
This done, and it's real.

Speaker 9 (33:55):
Can I just an outside number with well with the
teachers pay increase, was that one hundred eighty million dollars
that it's going to cost budgeted for.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
It will be it has to be in our eleven
million dollars.

Speaker 8 (34:06):
We've got a process that goes through which goes to
budget a subcommittee of Cabinet before and it has to
go and be ratified through those processes.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
But so it's it's certainly not been budgeted for.

Speaker 8 (34:17):
And yet that's not a question for me, that's a
question for EVA and the Education Minister to be honest.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Look, they're not the only promises being thrown out. I
mean I know that one's not an election commitment.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
You're actually those.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Teachers are going to be really well paid. I think
it's good.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
I think the teachers should be people, and we could
let's have a look at some of the promises that
are being made. We know that there's been a promise
of a new department twenty four days out from the election,
or that was a little earlier in the week.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
I think it's only like twenty two now.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Maybe, and there's going to be well, the Labor Party
has said that they are going to create a new
stand alone housing department if re elected, that's home Territory Homes.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Now apparently there's a business out in Palmerston that's already
called Territory Homes. The flights the name then and on
the fly announcement and this is what maybe.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Not get caught up in a name today because I
don't think.

Speaker 6 (35:09):
That's the big issue elect for a while.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
It's important to the business if they've got that home.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
I'm sure those things can be get the home we
really want.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Yeah, Territory homes.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
So that is, and you know, good on them giving
them a shout out this morning.

Speaker 5 (35:25):
The other interesting thing though, is that Michael Gunner in
twenty sixteen was elected on a platform of merging all
these departments together to improve efficiencies and get rid of
overheads and all that.

Speaker 6 (35:35):
And now Labour's going to an election promission.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
I think one thing has changed, Thomas.

Speaker 8 (35:40):
We've got landmark agreements federally for a lot more money
coming in the economy has changed. We've got a real
driver and nationally to build more homes. I think we've
got to build over eleven thousand homes so that we
have agreed that that's where we should head and it
should be standalone. It gives some transparency around that, but
it also gives the opportunity to bring everything together. And

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I think in terms of you know, what people want,
the building industry want.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
To see, this is a very very good move and
I've think I'm quite excited about it.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Excuse me, I just take to sneeze here for a moment.
I'm going to take a very quick break, and when
we come back, let's talk about the economy and the
gas agreements which have been announced as well. There's plenty
still to come. Right here on mixed one O four
nine's three sixty. I will it is a busy, busy
morning because it's been a crazy week, of course, with
the issuing of.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
The RISH just yesterday.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
We are now twenty two days I believe from the
Northern Territory election.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
I do need to go and check the NTC, so
am I mate so a much.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Now let's look at some of the different announcements that well,
the different things that happened much earlier in the week.
And I know that com SECT did indeed release the
State of the State report earlier in the week, and
it's the economic analysis of course of all all of
the different states and we know that the Northern Territory
was last in six of the eight benchmark categories, showing

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a sharp decline in economic activity.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
That State of the State's.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Economic Performance reports showed economic growth in the territory in
the March quarter was down seven point seven percent on
its long run average, with next worst Western Australia showing
a three point three percent increase. Now, Concept did indeed
acknowledge that it's reporting methodology a decade average figure which
was skewed by the impects boom can potentially contort the data,

(37:31):
which is why it also provides an annual growth rate
as well. Now, look, however, you sort of look at
it the You know, the numbers are not great for
the Northern Territory when it comes to our economy, and
by the look of things from the Labor Party perspective,
gas is the area that they are going towards in

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terms of trying to get things moving here in the
Northern Territory. We know that there was two gas agreements
signed off earlier in the week or the Northern Territory
Government and the Marini and Palm Valley joint Venture signing
that six year gas supply deal commencing in twenty twenty five.
Then of course we also know that the government had
said all the Labor Party now, you know, continuing to

(38:13):
support the industries that get the territory working. They'd said
by signing up to buy more gas from the Beaterloo basin.
So it was the gas sales agreement between the Northern
Territory government and Empire Energy.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
Okay, I with my background in the minerals industry, don't
have an issue with the middle arm proposed developments and
any proponent that is prepared to invest in the Churchy
in regards to gas projects or downstream processing whilst there
is a move and the territory will get there eventually
towards renewables for all those environmental and climate reasons. This

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is here and now and we need security of energy.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Now.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
Yes, the bulk of our gas is exported, but the
bulk of the gas of Australia is exported, you know,
particularly safe from WA, L and g etc. To other
countries that need it. So I mean that's just the reality,
get over it. But the developments there, if they're done properly,
done well with all the safeguards, where that be empty
and commonwealth because there's a good chance that all these
gas projects will trigger the com wealth environmental legislation. So

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I think, you know, it doesn't matter whether it's this government,
current government Labor, or if it's a different government of
the CLP win power in three weeks, the industry will
push on. But the one thing that industry always needs
is certainty around regulation and the approval processes, whatever they
are and wherever they are. And that's critical to industry.
They don't care about the politics. They just want they
want clarity and certainty because gas is different to oil,

(39:37):
and it's different to hard rock mining. You know, opportunities
and the windows of opportunities shut pretty quickly, so we've
got to get on with it now, well quickly before
we lose opportunity.

Speaker 7 (39:47):
And Katie, that's why we've been talking about for a
long time the Territory Coordinator, and that's one of our
policies that we've actually tried to pass out a number
of years ago and Labor shut us down on it.
It's where we can actually have a separate statutreat body
for major projects and they'll have the teeth if you
like to be able to go in and make decisions
take the project you know in their own hands from

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instead of going into the buried major Projects list, which
has obviously been cursed because we haven't seen any major
projects come up off the ground yet. So this will
actually provide industry the certainty that they're looking for. We
need these big projects here. We also need to just
continue along with confidence in our businesses as well, and
that's why we have said we will abolish payroll taxes

(40:32):
for the tax free threshold up to two point five million,
because at the moment, our businesses don't have the confidence
they've been suffering for a long time, and we have
to be give that something that they can say, Yep,
you know what I want to grow. I want to
invest here in the territory. I want to put on
more staff, including apprentices and traineeships, because we're going to
exclude that from the payroll tax free threshold. Like these
are all really simple but game changing policies that will

(40:56):
actually get the economy moving again.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
There's no doubt we do need to get the economy moving.
I mean, like I said, it looks as though labor
is sort of hitching their wagon now to the gas industry,
but not everyone's because everyone in your party happy we're good.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
No, we're good. Sorry, I know that you want to
keep saying that stuff, but that's absolutely rubbish.

Speaker 8 (41:16):
We get in behind each other when we've made a
policy position, and this is our policy position. We've also
got quick critical minerals which is going to be worth
five billion to the economy. But we're also investing heavily
in tourism and major events. That comes one hundred million
dollars in the next budget, which keeps adding in and
that's why we are The other thing that people aren't
talking about, though, is around own source revenue from that.

(41:38):
So I think there's a bit of a misconception. The
gas that's going out with impacts is not the territory's gas.
In fact, it's offshore of Western Australia and it's Commonwealth
so they get the royalties from that. What the difference
is is in the Betterloo that's own source revenue for
the territory. So all the issues we've sat around in
here and talked about for an hour, those sorts of
things need an investment in money. The Beatleloo gives us that,

(41:59):
but can.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
I That's why some people are going, why is it
taken so long? And that's one of the best. I
can say.

Speaker 8 (42:07):
We have done all the right safeguards and I talk
to industry all the time as the Energy Minister, and
I have to tell you the industry says they like
doing business in the Northern Territory now because they know
exactly where they stand and they can get on with it,
and they are getting on with it, and we're very
proudly behind that.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
But not at the risk of the environment.

Speaker 5 (42:24):
Well, I mean, you know, on the issue of whether
labor is united on this or not, I suspect not.
There are people at the Labor Day March this year,
union members, people who are part of labor who were
saying we don't want gas. There have been multiple motions
in the Labor Left to try and get get rid
of it.

Speaker 6 (42:37):
And you know even.

Speaker 5 (42:39):
Natasha Files almost got kicked out of the Labor Left
because of it. And on this issue, you know there
will be I think some substantial pushback in some seats,
you know, particularly Nightcliff and Johnston around this issue. But
the other big issue and you know, the deals, you know,
the merits of you know, the industry that's up for
question from other people. But the question around whether these

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deals should be secret and the amount of money that
the anti government could be putting on the table to
these gas companies is a question that people have been asking.
I know that Lefnochiaro earlier this year pledged to actually
make the Tamboran deal between them and the anti government
public and to release details around that.

Speaker 6 (43:17):
I do wonder if the CLP is going to do the.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
Same money as much as they can in confidence. There's
only there's a certain amount of agreements between a government
and a company, but that will be commercial in confidence.

Speaker 5 (43:27):
There's some experts who say that, you know, you can
actually make a lot of those details public without making.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
If the company lets it, because I forget they've got
commitments to the stock exchange. What what announcements of what
information is put out into the private sector, Katie. The
other thing was if some of your listeners are saying,
or if they're texting in saying, you know, why does
it take so long? It's billions of dollars. These projects
take a long time, because you've got to think.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
It's more people saying why have we not gotten any
major projects off the grand quite a long time?

Speaker 8 (43:59):
Major projects by there by the very title to take
a long time and now I mean the ship lift
is now moving ahead, projects gallery taking ahead?

Speaker 3 (44:07):
You know, can I.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Just just talking about the projects where like with you know,
when you talk about the art gallery, he said that.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
That's government funded.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
It takes you know that I'm talking about money, so.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
That I'm not talking about money. I'm talking about private
investment and trying to get the Northern territory so we're
not so reliant on the bloody.

Speaker 8 (44:30):
I get it, But can I also say, can I
just go back to a previous comment, like I think
that the CELP is going to be find themselves in
a little bit of problems here because their candidate for
the seed of Johnston actually ran last time with Allians
who were totally against gas. And I also noticed that
their candidate for the seat of Nightclift, actually doesn't support

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Middle Arm and certainly won't say that publicly.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
So she did.

Speaker 8 (44:53):
She said it secretary, and she's talking about certainly they've
certainly got the deadly hair dude who will not come against.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
And said that he does.

Speaker 9 (45:06):
He said that it was a he said it was
a territory Alliance policy.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
And I don't like, I don't know whether I don't
know if I buy that or not. But either way,
we definitely did speak to Helen about that, and I
did ask Leafin about this because I do feel it
is a point of contention right now to the CP
is both absolutely.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
For the Labor Party is settled.

Speaker 8 (45:28):
We are going forward and we are showing it by
our actions.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
So you.

Speaker 5 (45:34):
Fall into opposition, if you fall into oposition after this election,
how much this issue might actually come back to the
some of the recrimination.

Speaker 8 (45:42):
Tom, We are united as a parliamentary team. We are
going forward and.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Gas we are absolutely.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Our hands together.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Look, we are going to have to wrap up.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
We didn't even really get the chance to talk about
to talk about the.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Federal reshuff but that is it for us this morning.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Now, next Friday is going to be a very special
edition of the week that was. We're going to be
joined in the studio for the three sixty leaders debate
with Leo Fanocchiaro and Evil Ala.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Next Friday morning.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
So look, if there is anybody out there listening this morning,
any of our listeners that you know, I want to
put forward a question. There's no guarantee that I'm going
to be able to get all of those questions to
our leaders, but feel free to send us an email
three sixty at Mix one O four nine dot com
dot au.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
Marie Clare Boothby for the COLP. Thanks for your time
this morning.

Speaker 7 (46:31):
Thank you, and I just want to say thank you
to Kate. I'm sorry that I beat you at the
cake bake challenge at.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
The Royal Show.

Speaker 7 (46:37):
I went back to basics Katie, and simple, simple, and
I did manage to be thank.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
You missed the memo about it actually looking like representing.

Speaker 7 (46:49):
The your yours did look like a dragon freed. It
was very well presented, but don't let the fancy things
for you to go back to us.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Lorgan, thank you so much for your time this morning
from the A v S.

Speaker 6 (46:59):
It was the tensus part of the program right now.
Thank you Katie.

Speaker 4 (47:03):
I topped the cakes. I got champion Turkey. What have
you doing champion Turkey? Not just at first I know life, Katie.

Speaker 9 (47:14):
I will have to.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
Resuscitate a turkey taking the rats home.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Katie's big shout out to my middle Point Primary school.

Speaker 4 (47:21):
It's their sixtieth birthday. So if anyone's wandering down towards
from Dam ten to three out at middle Point.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
CAZy, I thank you Kate. Water, I'm all over.

Speaker 8 (47:31):
I don't thank you very much, Katie, but I will
say I am a two time champion, I have two
child and I love competing and not with turkey, you
haven't event and Champion Pet of the Show when she
was about fourteen with a guinea pig.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
Show Casey made me judge the judges.

Speaker 4 (47:53):
She was at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Thank you all so much for your company this wanting
to stick around. Plenty more coming your way.