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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And we are just a week out from the Northern
Territory election and the Labor government, well the Labor Party,
I think I've got to say now they've promised Freeland
Major Project status for a new supermarket chain to enter
the Northern Territory market in an efforts, they say, to
drive down grocery prices for Territorians if re elected. In
a statement over the course of the weekend, they said
(00:21):
that they're pushing for an alternative supermarket chain such as
Aldi or Costco to come to the territory in an
effort to improve competition and try to force the two
big supermarkets to end unfair pricing that worsen's cost of
living for all Territorians. Joining me in the studio right now,
the Chief Minister Evil or Local boarding to you.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Warning Katie.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Now it is being dubbed the Fair Go Plan. Do
you think it's that fair a government giving land to
a multinational company.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
So, Katie, I mean we see the same issue with
quantestant Virgin So Australia's population twenty six million people, so
the same issues then exacerbated in the Northern Territory with
two hundred and fifty thousand people. So Coals and Woolworths
have us, you know, really over a barrel. The federal
government has been doing some of that work, trying to
actually make sure that you know that they're fair with
(01:11):
their dealings with their suppliers.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
So the farmers in.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Australia, but we know that coals and Woolworths are making
extreme profits. It's the same with quantus. And yet as
I said, then territorians are impacted. So you know, in
our conversations with people it comes up all the time.
So people say to me, you know, my grocery bill
was two hundred dollars for the last couple of months
and now it's gone up to two hundred.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
And forty for example.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
So you know, what can we do. There aren't a
lot of levers that we can pull around that. And
so in our conversations we said, well maybe we need
to look at it in a different way instead of
trying to hassle Coals and Woolworths and say well, you
know sort of stuff. You what we'll do is we'll provide,
and you know, as best as we can, an easy access.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
For some competition.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
So we'd love to have cost go here or aldi
and so you know, One of the things that government
has is government has land, and so it would be
about facilitating that to be able to and if that,
if that's the carrot that can entice a cost Co
or an Aldi to town and as I said, then
cause some competition and hopefully drive down prices, but also
provide those options.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Do you see that land or where would it be
in value?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I mean, obviously I'm in Parmesan, but some land in Parmeson.
It could be we're developing that new suburb in Holtz,
so that land near Holtz or Kwandy could be an area.
Parmestan's the fastest growing area in the Northern Territory. You know,
nearly forty thousand people live in Parmesan, so it could
be a spot like that. But there is land in Wishart,
you know, there is Government has land in a range
(02:37):
of places.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So it is it's.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Just something for us to provide an option, and was
I said, We'll put together a group of people. It'll
be part of my one hundred day plan if I'm
re elected. That will go hard to try and break
that deadlock around Colson Woomorth.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I mean, what do you say to everyday Northern territory
business owners though, who've had to pay you know, for
their own land to be able to stay out of
business and are paying you know, commercial rates which I
know probably aren't that cheap to try and get going.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
But you know there are there is already options around Crownland.
And we see that around enticing businesses.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
For any business territory.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Well, we do that already. So whether it's so.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
For any smaller business, they could.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Territory business, not a smaller business, but some of our
large You see that around the work that we do
around you know, getting industry into the northern territory. So
that's what government does to stimulate industry and this one
has a would have a great benefit for all territory.
And so that's what government does around Crownland. But I mean,
of course we you know, we also do Crownland for
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lots of NGOs and lots of other organizations, church groups,
those sorts of things too.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I've seen the labor ads having a crack at the
CLP on their payroll tax. You know that it's looking
after multinationals. Well, this is looking after a multinational as well. Well.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
As I said, this is part of this whole equation
fifty two million dollars in the forward estimates, money that
won't be available for territorians.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
So yeah, absolutely, so how time this costs?
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Well?
Speaker 3 (04:09):
As I said, that depends on where the land is,
but the land value may only be a million or
two million, depends on the site where that we're looking at,
So the land value would be various depending on where
it is.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
But this is exactly right.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
The sealp have bought in or are talking about a
commitment around payroll tax. There are only fourteen percent of
territory businesses that will benefit from a lift from one
point five million to a threshold to two point five million.
So the people that will benefit from the sealple plan
around payroll tax will be the Coals, the Woolworths, the
Commonwealth Banks, those big companies. Only fourteen percent, So.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yes, can you see the irony though that their new
guys are going, well, we're going to gift free land
to costco Oraldy like it sort of avoids the argument.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
No, not at all because as I said, the land
value won't be fifty two million for a start, so
way less than that.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
But it's still multinationally.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
But the benefit these for territorians The benefit with Lea's
plan is not for Territorians. Her benefit is for these
large companies. Our benefit will be that the Territorians will
be able to have cheaper groceries and that's what we
want to do long term around costs of living in
the world.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Still a lot of steps to get there, and I
think that it's really really worth pointing out to Territorians
because I don't want them thinking that, you know, the
minute that ILD or Costcar offered Freeland, that they're going
to jump into the market.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Because my understanding is that.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Other private organizations or companies have actually offered land to
both of those multinationals and not been able to lure
them here. So what makes the government think that they're
going to be able to do it any differently.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Well, as I said, they've got the backing of government.
That's that's that's the powerfulness of that. But I mean, Katie,
we have to try things we can. There's no point
in just sitting on our hands and allowing Coals and
Woolworths to continue to drive.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Totally in the territory totally.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
But I can see people sitting out there and this
is I guess the problem.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
You guys have gotten a lot of ways.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
And I've said it to you before that a lot
of people listening, they go, well, why haven't you for
the last eight years? You know, the cost of living
issue is not a new one. It's not something that's
popped up in the last week. So why is it
only now or that the government's going down this path?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
The cost of living issue has been exacerbated with interest rates,
so probably it has been the last eighteen months. Prior
to that, you know, people's home loans were under zero percent,
under one percent. Sorry, you know, we're very very low
prices and the cost of living wasn't such an issue.
It has become an issue in the last eighteen months.
But Katie, you know this is ongoing work. It's always
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that's what you do in government. And as I said,
this is an election commitment, so you're always looking at
things to improve things for territorians and that's always my
focus is what can we do more for territorians? And
as I said, there aren't is it hard desperate?
Speaker 4 (06:48):
It is getting to that point.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
It's getting a bit desperate because it's sort of reminiscent
of the Queensland government a week or so ago coming
out saying that they're going to start their own petrol
stations and people sort of scoffed and laughed at feels
like promises.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
It just being thrown out that aren't really being costed.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Or so there aren't a lot of leavers that you
can pull in the Northern Territory around cost of living.
So most of it is federal government. So this is
something that we can do. And as I said, it's
an election commitment that can facilitate bigger businesses, bigger compassion
and bigger competition coming to the Northern Territory.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
So that's what it is. Katie.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Let's move along because there is so much to cover
off and I do want to ask about something that
the COLP announced last week, Declan's Law. There'd be a
number of legislative changes making it more difficult for violent
offenders to get bail. Why isn't this something that's been
on the ALP's agenda.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Because we've already we did that work. So after that
tragic incident in March last year, the Northern Territory government
we took into parliament changes to bail, legislation around weapons.
We also did the work around wanding, so we've done that.
But you know, Katie, the emphasis has to be on prevention.
That's that has been my focus. We have to do that.
(08:00):
That was that five hundred and seventy million dollar commitment,
and I'm going to be doing media today and provide
an update to the public around the implementation of that
five hundred and seventy million. Also, those residential youth justice facilities,
three of the four are up and running, you know,
the women's prisons, you know the new DV facility out
from Alice Springs to address mail prisoners. So you have
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to do this the preventative work. This an issue around
bail that's not going to stop somebody, a young person
doing the wrong thing. They're not at that time that
when they're about to commit a crime thinking, oh, I
won't commit the crime because I won't get bail.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Oh I guess even a matter from the discussion that
I'd had with Declan's mum on air last week. This
has stem from details emerging through that case, which revealed
that the young man who killed Decland had been on
bail for a previous violent offense. Now, according to Declan's mum,
that incident involved him assaulting another person and that victim
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being very you know, being very very badly assaulted. Now,
can you see how people think that the laws are
too soft when a victim can be violently assaulted but
the alleged defender is on bail and able to commit
a further crime. Yep.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
So if you have, yeah, if you've committed a violent offense,
regardless of the weapon, it will be dealt with by
police and the courts. So whether you're an adult or
a youth, it will be dealt with by the courts.
So regardless of any of the legislation, the courts can
then provide fail they have.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Some question, is this person slipped through the cracks, because
even after speaking to Declan's mum, she said, you know,
what she hopes is that nobody else is in a
situation where something like this happens. And she'd even sort
of questioned how there weren't earlier in interventions, you know,
to stop this happening, and that it's essentially you know,
(09:53):
it's not only her and her family's life that's been ruined,
but also you know, but also young murderer.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, you absolutely agree.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Nobody wants to see violent, violent acts like the one
that we saw in March. But it is it is
that work around prevention. That's exactly what I'm saying, Katie.
That person, as I said, was on bail. The courts
obviously had the information. The courts, you know, in the
judiciary put that person on bail. But it is the
work that needs to happen before that, before that young
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person gets to that situation where they're carrying a weapon.
And that's the work of those residential youth justice facilities.
It's the work around, you know, investing in education, investing
in housing, it's all of those things rather than waiting
tool that person's got a knife. So Katie will continue
to I'll continue as Chief Minister if I'm so, you know,
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elected after the twenty fourth, to drive down the issue
of crime in the Northern Territory. Nobody wants to see violence,
nobody wants to see crime in the Northern Territory.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
You just want to make it really clear because I
know that this is a sticking point for people on
both sides of the fence. The Labor Party's got no
plans at all to change the bail legislation.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
At this stage. Katie.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
We have done that work already. We have done the
work we did the work immediately after that tragic incident
in March. So again Liz talking about bringing in changes
in sometime in Parliament.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
But we will.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Continue to work with the police, with the experts around
what's needed in the Northern Territory around any violent crime.
But again you have to focus on the prevention rather
than just after the fact. As I said, it is
all too little, too late when you're looking at that afterwards.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
It needs to be part of a.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Comprehensive, common sense plan around crime and that's what we'll
continue to do.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
A question that's come through from Glenn now, this one
actually came through on Friday and it says, Hi, Katie,
could you please ask the Chief Minister and the Leader
of the Opposition what their party's intentions would be with
the voice at state and territory level if they win
the election. I think it's an important issue. With the
results of the referendum Victoria and South Australia's moved to
put in place already and the apparent encouragement of the
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Prime Minister that the other states and territories he's wondering
if they'll follow. I feel this question needs to be
a definitive yes. Or no, as it could have an
impact on how Territorians choose to vote.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Yeah, so, Katie, I think as has said, I mean
we saw the referendum and I truly think it wasn't
done well. I think it was stuffed up basically by
Albow and by Linda Bernie. And it was done, it
was too rushed. It's a bit like the question of
statehood here or know whether Australia becomes a democracy, mean
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at Yost it gets rid of our ties to England
sort of thing. So I think there needs to be
ongoing conversations. I know there are people who would like
to see obviously a treaty and that work done very quickly,
and there are another group, people like Glenn, that don't
want that to happen. So from my point of view,
what we have in the Northern Territory that we've had
(13:03):
for our two terms of government have been local decision making,
local decision making works. I have recently signed about three
or four local decision making agreements. That is where ministers,
local members, government agencies work with that community to identify
the things that are important to that community. So recently
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I was at Maningrida we did one with Jowan as well.
You sit down with that community and over time you
work out what's important to them. So whether that's something
around economic development, often it's to do with education and
then wanting to have, for example, bilingual education in their schools,
specific programs. It might be around community controlled health centers.
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That to me is important work in the territory because
that's the first steps around Aboriginal people having greater control
over what they want where the dollars are being spent.
But also you need Aboriginal people need to listen.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
To plans for an XC voice.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
So at this stage, from my point of view, as
I said, I think Elbow and Bernie stuffed it up.
I think it was done in too much of a rush.
People aren't ready for that. Australians weren't. You know, a
large number of Australians were, but there was a large
number that weren't. In the Northern Territory, our remotes were,
our urban people weren't. So there needs to be as
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far as I'm concerned, further conversations. There needs to be
more listening on both sides. But the local decision making
provides those opportunities in our remote communities for Aboriginal people
to have a focus on what they think will improve
their lives. And that's what it always should be. How
do we improve the lives of Aboriginal people. It doesn't
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necessarily or shouldn't necessarily be from people in Darwin telling
Aboriginal people, for example, in Maningrida what they want. It
should be coming from the other way. And that's how
we'll see. And we all want the same things. We
want our kids at school, we want good health services.
We all want to feel safe, whether you're in Manning
Greet or you're in Darwin. When I sit down with
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original people, it's the same things.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Chief Minister, we're gonna have to leave it though.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
My goodness, that's going quickly, Katie.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Happy birthday for yesterday. Thank you, Katie, and thank you
very much for all of your time. Good luck on
the final week. And I know I'll say the same
to Lea as well. You know, no matter what side
of the political spectrum people sit on, it's a it's
a busy, busy.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Time, it's a tough.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Time and and yeah, I you know all the best
no matter what. We'll catch up with you soon.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Thank you, Katy.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
I think it's been a very respectful and very sensible
campaign so far.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Yeah, like I tend to agree.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
I know that at different times over the years we've
seen some horrible stuff come out, and I hope that
it stays nice and respectful for the final week because it's,
you know, it's it's a better way of doing politics
if you ask me. Well, Chief minesstaill I, thanks so
much for your time this morning.
And we are just a week out from the Northern
Territory election and the Labor government, well the Labor Party,
I think I've got to say now they've promised Freeland
Major Project status for a new supermarket chain to enter
the Northern Territory market in an efforts, they say, to
drive down grocery prices for Territorians if re elected. In
a statement over the course of the weekend, they said
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that they're pushing for an alternative supermarket chain such as
Aldi or Costco to come to the territory in an
effort to improve competition and try to force the two
big supermarkets to end unfair pricing that worsen's cost of
living for all Territorians. Joining me in the studio right now,
the Chief Minister Evil or Local boarding to you.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Warning Katie.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Now it is being dubbed the Fair Go Plan. Do
you think it's that fair a government giving land to
a multinational company.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
So, Katie, I mean we see the same issue with
quantestant Virgin So Australia's population twenty six million people, so
the same issues then exacerbated in the Northern Territory with
two hundred and fifty thousand people. So Coals and Woolworths
have us, you know, really over a barrel. The federal
government has been doing some of that work, trying to
actually make sure that you know that they're fair with
(01:11):
their dealings with their suppliers.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
So the farmers in.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Australia, but we know that coals and Woolworths are making
extreme profits. It's the same with quantus. And yet as
I said, then territorians are impacted. So you know, in
our conversations with people it comes up all the time.
So people say to me, you know, my grocery bill
was two hundred dollars for the last couple of months
and now it's gone up to two hundred.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
And forty for example.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
So you know, what can we do. There aren't a
lot of levers that we can pull around that. And
so in our conversations we said, well maybe we need
to look at it in a different way instead of
trying to hassle Coals and Woolworths and say well, you
know sort of stuff. You what we'll do is we'll provide,
and you know, as best as we can, an easy access.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
For some competition.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
So we'd love to have cost go here or aldi
and so you know, One of the things that government
has is government has land, and so it would be
about facilitating that to be able to and if that,
if that's the carrot that can entice a cost Co
or an Aldi to town and as I said, then
cause some competition and hopefully drive down prices, but also
provide those options.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Do you see that land or where would it be
in value?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I mean, obviously I'm in Parmesan, but some land in Parmeson.
It could be we're developing that new suburb in Holtz,
so that land near Holtz or Kwandy could be an area.
Parmestan's the fastest growing area in the Northern Territory. You know,
nearly forty thousand people live in Parmesan, so it could
be a spot like that. But there is land in Wishart,
you know, there is Government has land in a range
(02:37):
of places.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So it is it's.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Just something for us to provide an option, and was
I said, We'll put together a group of people. It'll
be part of my one hundred day plan if I'm
re elected. That will go hard to try and break
that deadlock around Colson Woomorth.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I mean, what do you say to everyday Northern territory
business owners though, who've had to pay you know, for
their own land to be able to stay out of
business and are paying you know, commercial rates which I
know probably aren't that cheap to try and get going.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
But you know there are there is already options around Crownland.
And we see that around enticing businesses.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
For any business territory.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Well, we do that already. So whether it's so.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
For any smaller business, they could.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Territory business, not a smaller business, but some of our
large You see that around the work that we do
around you know, getting industry into the northern territory. So
that's what government does to stimulate industry and this one
has a would have a great benefit for all territory.
And so that's what government does around Crownland. But I mean,
of course we you know, we also do Crownland for
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lots of NGOs and lots of other organizations, church groups,
those sorts of things too.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I've seen the labor ads having a crack at the
CLP on their payroll tax. You know that it's looking
after multinationals. Well, this is looking after a multinational as well. Well.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
As I said, this is part of this whole equation
fifty two million dollars in the forward estimates, money that
won't be available for territorians.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
So yeah, absolutely, so how time this costs?
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Well?
Speaker 3 (04:09):
As I said, that depends on where the land is,
but the land value may only be a million or
two million, depends on the site where that we're looking at,
So the land value would be various depending on where
it is.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
But this is exactly right.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
The sealp have bought in or are talking about a
commitment around payroll tax. There are only fourteen percent of
territory businesses that will benefit from a lift from one
point five million to a threshold to two point five million.
So the people that will benefit from the sealple plan
around payroll tax will be the Coals, the Woolworths, the
Commonwealth Banks, those big companies. Only fourteen percent, So.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yes, can you see the irony though that their new
guys are going, well, we're going to gift free land
to costco Oraldy like it sort of avoids the argument.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
No, not at all because as I said, the land
value won't be fifty two million for a start, so
way less than that.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
But it's still multinationally.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
But the benefit these for territorians The benefit with Lea's
plan is not for Territorians. Her benefit is for these
large companies. Our benefit will be that the Territorians will
be able to have cheaper groceries and that's what we
want to do long term around costs of living in
the world.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Still a lot of steps to get there, and I
think that it's really really worth pointing out to Territorians
because I don't want them thinking that, you know, the
minute that ILD or Costcar offered Freeland, that they're going
to jump into the market.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Because my understanding is that.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Other private organizations or companies have actually offered land to
both of those multinationals and not been able to lure
them here. So what makes the government think that they're
going to be able to do it any differently.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Well, as I said, they've got the backing of government.
That's that's that's the powerfulness of that. But I mean, Katie,
we have to try things we can. There's no point
in just sitting on our hands and allowing Coals and
Woolworths to continue to drive.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Totally in the territory totally.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
But I can see people sitting out there and this
is I guess the problem.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
You guys have gotten a lot of ways.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
And I've said it to you before that a lot
of people listening, they go, well, why haven't you for
the last eight years? You know, the cost of living
issue is not a new one. It's not something that's
popped up in the last week. So why is it
only now or that the government's going down this path?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
The cost of living issue has been exacerbated with interest rates,
so probably it has been the last eighteen months. Prior
to that, you know, people's home loans were under zero percent,
under one percent. Sorry, you know, we're very very low
prices and the cost of living wasn't such an issue.
It has become an issue in the last eighteen months.
But Katie, you know this is ongoing work. It's always
(06:34):
that's what you do in government. And as I said,
this is an election commitment, so you're always looking at
things to improve things for territorians and that's always my
focus is what can we do more for territorians? And
as I said, there aren't is it hard desperate?
Speaker 4 (06:48):
It is getting to that point.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
It's getting a bit desperate because it's sort of reminiscent
of the Queensland government a week or so ago coming
out saying that they're going to start their own petrol
stations and people sort of scoffed and laughed at feels
like promises.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
It just being thrown out that aren't really being costed.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Or so there aren't a lot of leavers that you
can pull in the Northern Territory around cost of living.
So most of it is federal government. So this is
something that we can do. And as I said, it's
an election commitment that can facilitate bigger businesses, bigger compassion
and bigger competition coming to the Northern Territory.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
So that's what it is. Katie.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Let's move along because there is so much to cover
off and I do want to ask about something that
the COLP announced last week, Declan's Law. There'd be a
number of legislative changes making it more difficult for violent
offenders to get bail. Why isn't this something that's been
on the ALP's agenda.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Because we've already we did that work. So after that
tragic incident in March last year, the Northern Territory government
we took into parliament changes to bail, legislation around weapons.
We also did the work around wanding, so we've done that.
But you know, Katie, the emphasis has to be on prevention.
That's that has been my focus. We have to do that.
(08:00):
That was that five hundred and seventy million dollar commitment,
and I'm going to be doing media today and provide
an update to the public around the implementation of that
five hundred and seventy million. Also, those residential youth justice facilities,
three of the four are up and running, you know,
the women's prisons, you know the new DV facility out
from Alice Springs to address mail prisoners. So you have
(08:22):
to do this the preventative work. This an issue around
bail that's not going to stop somebody, a young person
doing the wrong thing. They're not at that time that
when they're about to commit a crime thinking, oh, I
won't commit the crime because I won't get bail.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Oh I guess even a matter from the discussion that
I'd had with Declan's mum on air last week. This
has stem from details emerging through that case, which revealed
that the young man who killed Decland had been on
bail for a previous violent offense. Now, according to Declan's mum,
that incident involved him assaulting another person and that victim
(08:58):
being very you know, being very very badly assaulted. Now,
can you see how people think that the laws are
too soft when a victim can be violently assaulted but
the alleged defender is on bail and able to commit
a further crime. Yep.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
So if you have, yeah, if you've committed a violent offense,
regardless of the weapon, it will be dealt with by
police and the courts. So whether you're an adult or
a youth, it will be dealt with by the courts.
So regardless of any of the legislation, the courts can
then provide fail they have.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Some question, is this person slipped through the cracks, because
even after speaking to Declan's mum, she said, you know,
what she hopes is that nobody else is in a
situation where something like this happens. And she'd even sort
of questioned how there weren't earlier in interventions, you know,
to stop this happening, and that it's essentially you know,
(09:53):
it's not only her and her family's life that's been ruined,
but also you know, but also young murderer.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, you absolutely agree.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Nobody wants to see violent, violent acts like the one
that we saw in March. But it is it is
that work around prevention. That's exactly what I'm saying, Katie.
That person, as I said, was on bail. The courts
obviously had the information. The courts, you know, in the
judiciary put that person on bail. But it is the
work that needs to happen before that, before that young
(10:25):
person gets to that situation where they're carrying a weapon.
And that's the work of those residential youth justice facilities.
It's the work around, you know, investing in education, investing
in housing, it's all of those things rather than waiting
tool that person's got a knife. So Katie will continue
to I'll continue as Chief Minister if I'm so, you know,
(10:46):
elected after the twenty fourth, to drive down the issue
of crime in the Northern Territory. Nobody wants to see violence,
nobody wants to see crime in the Northern Territory.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
You just want to make it really clear because I
know that this is a sticking point for people on
both sides of the fence. The Labor Party's got no
plans at all to change the bail legislation.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
At this stage. Katie.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
We have done that work already. We have done the
work we did the work immediately after that tragic incident
in March. So again Liz talking about bringing in changes
in sometime in Parliament.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
But we will.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Continue to work with the police, with the experts around
what's needed in the Northern Territory around any violent crime.
But again you have to focus on the prevention rather
than just after the fact. As I said, it is
all too little, too late when you're looking at that afterwards.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
It needs to be part of a.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Comprehensive, common sense plan around crime and that's what we'll
continue to do.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
A question that's come through from Glenn now, this one
actually came through on Friday and it says, Hi, Katie,
could you please ask the Chief Minister and the Leader
of the Opposition what their party's intentions would be with
the voice at state and territory level if they win
the election. I think it's an important issue. With the
results of the referendum Victoria and South Australia's moved to
put in place already and the apparent encouragement of the
(12:06):
Prime Minister that the other states and territories he's wondering
if they'll follow. I feel this question needs to be
a definitive yes. Or no, as it could have an
impact on how Territorians choose to vote.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Yeah, so, Katie, I think as has said, I mean
we saw the referendum and I truly think it wasn't
done well. I think it was stuffed up basically by
Albow and by Linda Bernie. And it was done, it
was too rushed. It's a bit like the question of
statehood here or know whether Australia becomes a democracy, mean
(12:40):
at Yost it gets rid of our ties to England
sort of thing. So I think there needs to be
ongoing conversations. I know there are people who would like
to see obviously a treaty and that work done very quickly,
and there are another group, people like Glenn, that don't
want that to happen. So from my point of view,
what we have in the Northern Territory that we've had
(13:03):
for our two terms of government have been local decision making,
local decision making works. I have recently signed about three
or four local decision making agreements. That is where ministers,
local members, government agencies work with that community to identify
the things that are important to that community. So recently
(13:24):
I was at Maningrida we did one with Jowan as well.
You sit down with that community and over time you
work out what's important to them. So whether that's something
around economic development, often it's to do with education and
then wanting to have, for example, bilingual education in their schools,
specific programs. It might be around community controlled health centers.
(13:46):
That to me is important work in the territory because
that's the first steps around Aboriginal people having greater control
over what they want where the dollars are being spent.
But also you need Aboriginal people need to listen.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
To plans for an XC voice.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
So at this stage, from my point of view, as
I said, I think Elbow and Bernie stuffed it up.
I think it was done in too much of a rush.
People aren't ready for that. Australians weren't. You know, a
large number of Australians were, but there was a large
number that weren't. In the Northern Territory, our remotes were,
our urban people weren't. So there needs to be as
(14:24):
far as I'm concerned, further conversations. There needs to be
more listening on both sides. But the local decision making
provides those opportunities in our remote communities for Aboriginal people
to have a focus on what they think will improve
their lives. And that's what it always should be. How
do we improve the lives of Aboriginal people. It doesn't
(14:45):
necessarily or shouldn't necessarily be from people in Darwin telling
Aboriginal people, for example, in Maningrida what they want. It
should be coming from the other way. And that's how
we'll see. And we all want the same things. We
want our kids at school, we want good health services.
We all want to feel safe, whether you're in Manning
Greet or you're in Darwin. When I sit down with
(15:05):
original people, it's the same things.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Chief Minister, we're gonna have to leave it though.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
My goodness, that's going quickly, Katie.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Happy birthday for yesterday. Thank you, Katie, and thank you
very much for all of your time. Good luck on
the final week. And I know I'll say the same
to Lea as well. You know, no matter what side
of the political spectrum people sit on, it's a it's
a busy, busy.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Time, it's a tough.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Time and and yeah, I you know all the best
no matter what. We'll catch up with you soon.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Thank you, Katy.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
I think it's been a very respectful and very sensible
campaign so far.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Yeah, like I tend to agree.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
I know that at different times over the years we've
seen some horrible stuff come out, and I hope that
it stays nice and respectful for the final week because it's,
you know, it's it's a better way of doing politics
if you ask me. Well, Chief minesstaill I, thanks so
much for your time this morning.
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