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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We know that we are just days out from the
Northern Territory election and it looks like some dodgy tactics
have emerged. With a character reference for Nari ar Kit
which was written some time ago by independent candidate for Karama,
Justine Glover, being dropped into people's letterboxes. Now we've got
a copy of this letter. It was an email printed
(00:21):
on yellow paper that Justine sent on the twenty fifth
of January this year, before she'd even decided to run
in the election. As I understand it now, it outlines
their long standing sort of relationship and that Nari is
keen to drive positive change in the community and the
key issues in the electorate. Now it ends by saying
that Nari's in the Nari's the better candidate and has
(00:45):
the fire and integrity to represent her communities. Now joining
me on the line right now is the independent candidate
for Karama, Justine Glover. Good morning to you. I seem
to have lost Justine for some reason. That phone line
has dropped out. I've lost Justine Glover, so hopefully that's
her calling back through or I'm sure that Krystal will
get her on the line for me. So we're just
(01:08):
we will just be able to line that up in
a moment. So yeah, it's Look, it's pretty ordinary stuff.
I think when you're when you're playing politics, or it's
not really playing, but when you are involved in politics,
I always think, if you want to win, win fairly.
Now joining us on the line, Justine Glover, good morning
to you.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Good morning Katie, good morning listening.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Not sure what happened then, but we'd lost her for
some reason. Justine, Now tell me what is the go
with this letter that the Labor.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Party is dropping in people's letterboxes.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I know, it's bizarre, isn't it. I got Center Text
on Friday with a copy of the flyer, which is
this you know, yellow paper. It's got my logo, my photo,
and it is an email that I sent Sinnari in
January from the Karama Community Guarden and it was endorsing
her as the Labor candidate. You know, she's been a
sponsor member of the garden, known her for years and
(02:06):
it was well before I had any thoughts about running myself.
But yeah, it's just when it was sent to me,
the comment was how low will Labor go? It was
just such a dirty tactic. It was totally unexpected.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Well, and it's clear for me, based on the letter
that you've written about NAI's quite some time ago, so
in January and taken totally out of context.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
It's clear to me that in the.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Past you've had quite a good working relationship with her.
I mean, what was your reaction on a personal level
when then you've seen that her teams resorted to doing this.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
It was I mean, it was really hurtful because I've
always said to MARII I'm not running against you, I'm
running against the party. And that day Friday, Nari was
actually at the electoral office. She was going to bust
and I knocked on the bus door and I said, Nri,
you know I wrote that on behalf of the Community
Guard and I wrote it as someone you know, as
(03:04):
knowing you as a person, and I've always said I'm
not running against you, I'm running against the party. And
her response to me was I am the party, Justine,
and I just looked at her and I just you know,
there was nothing more I could say. I just solidified
why I'm standing because you know, she's the party. She
listens to the party and not the people, and that's
(03:24):
what we need. Independents who listen to the people and
act for the people.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I mean, look to me, it seems like a low blow.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I've got to be honest, I'd be pissed off if
it was if somebody had done that to me and
taken something totally out of context. And then you know,
you've got red shirts delivering this to people's mailboxes and
insinuating basically throughout this letter that you know, you're telling
people not to vote for you, but to vote for her.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
I know, but it's totally backfix Katie. Yes, the community.
I have had so many people ring me, stop me
in the street, text me and say that is wrong,
that is low So it is just, you know, it
just shows what the party is willing to do and
that you're a threat and that they're scared.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Look, it's obvious that that's the case. I think we're
seeing a bit of that now in recent days. I
just think, if you can't win on your own merit,
do you really want to win if you're having to
resort to dirty tacts.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
And what really blew my mind was Eva Laula coming
out yesterday saying oh yeah, no, I saw that that
was a great tactic of Mai if you've got a reference,
why not circulate it. But the Electoral Commission has said
it is against the Act, it's illegal, and there's a
chance that they will be fined over ninety thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah. Have you had any update from the Northern Territory
Electoral Commission today on this situation?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Not today, yesterday. I have seen a letter that they
sent to the Labor Party, you know, confirming that it
was against the conditions of the Act. And you know,
I have had discussions with them saying I believe that
it does need to be investigated, it does need to
be prosecuted. Otherwise dirty tactics will just become part of politics.
It is no repercussion.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Yes, I think you're spot on.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I know that you said that you'd sort of raised
it with Nai the other day. Have you seen her again,
Have you said anything else to her?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I've seen her once in the distance, but she kept
her distance. But the other thing is I have had
people from the Labor Party coming up and saying, you know,
low tactics. I'm sorry, and people who were members, not members,
but you know, strong rusted on labor, people who are
just turning their backs on labor because they feel totally
(05:35):
unrepresented and everything's not okay, and they just are flying
out for someone to listen and act for them and
make the community safer. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Look, I don't think it does a lot in terms
of helping them along. I think that people, unless you
are rusted on Labor, I think people would see this
as a dirty tactic. Look and like I said too earlier,
on a real sort of personal level, I would see
this quite disappointing. I wouldn't have actually thought that it
would be something that the member for Karama would do.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
No, I was totally surprised, and I think it just
shows that, you know, it is the party. She's just
totally rusted on part of a machine, and you know,
her principles aren't part of that process anymore.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Now, tell me in terms of you know, like you
did touch on this as well, but in terms of
how the community's sort of seeing it since that's happened,
it sounds as so it has had a real, you know,
a real kind of negative impact.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I think it's turned on them. It's had major backlash.
So it wasn't a positive for Labor at all, and
people are just seeing that it's a party machine that
will go to any length to win, and that is
their goal, just to win, not to do the right
thing by the people.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Hey, Justine, did you receive one of those text messages
from Labor in the last twenty four hours as well?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
People are really fired up about this too.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
No, I haven't got a text message.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Oh so they've So they're sending out text messages as well,
now in different electorates or in different areas. Out in
the bush, they're obviously sending out different ones, but out
in the bush basically they're you know, there's spam texting
people saying LABEL will build twenty seven hundred bush homes,
but if the CLP get in, all of that will
go away. Vote Labor for more bush housing and a
link to territory labor. Then in the city. So I've
(07:22):
been or around, you know, around the suburbs and around
urban areas. I've had a few people message me about this.
But I also received on myself, and it basically says
I'm just trying to find the exact words. The COLP
will have to cut nurses, teachers, and other jobs to
pay for the fifty two million dollar hole in the
budget from their hair brain tax scheme. Territory labor dot
(07:45):
com dot au. Now I know they're obviously not having
a crack at the Independent and spun with that other
one that they're sending out Bush.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
You know, it's saying that they're going to what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Do you think that, you know, what do you make
of like of these spam messages going out to territories
in the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
It's just such a negative campaign. It's scared tactics and
what I would hope to see and what Independent talk
about is a positive campaign. What we can do working collaboratively,
working positively, you know, working for long term goals, not
scaring people into changing how they're going to vote. I mean,
that's just such a short term dirty trick and we
(08:24):
need better in democracy.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Justine, when you look at and when you know, when
there is this discussion about whether the Independence will hold
the balance of power, how you go with that?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I mean, who would you side with?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Are there any sort of absolute, you know, absolute sort
of policy settings that would make you say no to
either political party?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
That is just such a huge question and we're getting
it all the time, and it's really like Independents working
collaboratively with either side to make sure we get the
best interest for the people. But what we need is
money invested back in the community, the people and stop
letting the corporation, you know, monopolizing and capturing our parliament
(09:07):
and our parliamentarians and focusing on what's best for our
community and funding services not to their bare minimum, but
so they can actually change our community, make it safe,
make it a place to thrive, and that our children
have a hope for a beautiful future.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Hey, justin one quick, last one.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I know that a lot of our independents have been saying, look,
when it comes to those preferences, we're not telling territorians
how to preference. We are just saying to them, you know,
vote for me. Basically, did you have how to vote cards?
And where did they play?
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Snari?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
No, I've got how to vote cards, but it's just
me number one. And then you say, you know, what
does your principle say? What does your heart say? Is
the next best person to lead our community? And it's
over to them?
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
No, I was more thinking, goodness, me, has what's happened
in the last sort of you know, a couple of
days changed your mind about where those preferences may have been,
but it doesn't sound as though you had a preference
second anyway.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
No, I'm just concerned about both parties because it is
a party and they're both looking after their party rather
than the people, and that's why we need more independence
to hold them to account and really challenge some of
those decisions that they're making.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Well, justin Glover, the independent candidate for Karama, I really
appreciate your time this morning, and and yeah, I mean
keep your head held high. I think when those dirty
tricks are involved, you've just got to keep working hard.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Right, That's what we're doing. And thanks for your time, Katie,
No worries, thank you,
We know that we are just days out from the
Northern Territory election and it looks like some dodgy tactics
have emerged. With a character reference for Nari ar Kit
which was written some time ago by independent candidate for Karama,
Justine Glover, being dropped into people's letterboxes. Now we've got
a copy of this letter. It was an email printed
(00:21):
on yellow paper that Justine sent on the twenty fifth
of January this year, before she'd even decided to run
in the election. As I understand it now, it outlines
their long standing sort of relationship and that Nari is
keen to drive positive change in the community and the
key issues in the electorate. Now it ends by saying
that Nari's in the Nari's the better candidate and has
(00:45):
the fire and integrity to represent her communities. Now joining
me on the line right now is the independent candidate
for Karama, Justine Glover. Good morning to you. I seem
to have lost Justine for some reason. That phone line
has dropped out. I've lost Justine Glover, so hopefully that's
her calling back through or I'm sure that Krystal will
get her on the line for me. So we're just
(01:08):
we will just be able to line that up in
a moment. So yeah, it's Look, it's pretty ordinary stuff.
I think when you're when you're playing politics, or it's
not really playing, but when you are involved in politics,
I always think, if you want to win, win fairly.
Now joining us on the line, Justine Glover, good morning
to you.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Good morning Katie, good morning listening.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Not sure what happened then, but we'd lost her for
some reason. Justine, Now tell me what is the go
with this letter that the Labor.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Party is dropping in people's letterboxes.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I know, it's bizarre, isn't it. I got Center Text
on Friday with a copy of the flyer, which is
this you know, yellow paper. It's got my logo, my photo,
and it is an email that I sent Sinnari in
January from the Karama Community Guarden and it was endorsing
her as the Labor candidate. You know, she's been a
sponsor member of the garden, known her for years and
(02:06):
it was well before I had any thoughts about running myself.
But yeah, it's just when it was sent to me,
the comment was how low will Labor go? It was
just such a dirty tactic. It was totally unexpected.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Well, and it's clear for me, based on the letter
that you've written about NAI's quite some time ago, so
in January and taken totally out of context.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
It's clear to me that in the.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Past you've had quite a good working relationship with her.
I mean, what was your reaction on a personal level
when then you've seen that her teams resorted to doing this.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
It was I mean, it was really hurtful because I've
always said to MARII I'm not running against you, I'm
running against the party. And that day Friday, Nari was
actually at the electoral office. She was going to bust
and I knocked on the bus door and I said, Nri,
you know I wrote that on behalf of the Community
Guard and I wrote it as someone you know, as
(03:04):
knowing you as a person, and I've always said I'm
not running against you, I'm running against the party. And
her response to me was I am the party, Justine,
and I just looked at her and I just you know,
there was nothing more I could say. I just solidified
why I'm standing because you know, she's the party. She
listens to the party and not the people, and that's
(03:24):
what we need. Independents who listen to the people and
act for the people.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I mean, look to me, it seems like a low blow.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I've got to be honest, I'd be pissed off if
it was if somebody had done that to me and
taken something totally out of context. And then you know,
you've got red shirts delivering this to people's mailboxes and
insinuating basically throughout this letter that you know, you're telling
people not to vote for you, but to vote for her.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
I know, but it's totally backfix Katie. Yes, the community.
I have had so many people ring me, stop me
in the street, text me and say that is wrong,
that is low So it is just, you know, it
just shows what the party is willing to do and
that you're a threat and that they're scared.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Look, it's obvious that that's the case. I think we're
seeing a bit of that now in recent days. I
just think, if you can't win on your own merit,
do you really want to win if you're having to
resort to dirty tacts.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
And what really blew my mind was Eva Laula coming
out yesterday saying oh yeah, no, I saw that that
was a great tactic of Mai if you've got a reference,
why not circulate it. But the Electoral Commission has said
it is against the Act, it's illegal, and there's a
chance that they will be fined over ninety thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah. Have you had any update from the Northern Territory
Electoral Commission today on this situation?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Not today, yesterday. I have seen a letter that they
sent to the Labor Party, you know, confirming that it
was against the conditions of the Act. And you know,
I have had discussions with them saying I believe that
it does need to be investigated, it does need to
be prosecuted. Otherwise dirty tactics will just become part of politics.
It is no repercussion.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Yes, I think you're spot on.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I know that you said that you'd sort of raised
it with Nai the other day. Have you seen her again,
Have you said anything else to her?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I've seen her once in the distance, but she kept
her distance. But the other thing is I have had
people from the Labor Party coming up and saying, you know,
low tactics. I'm sorry, and people who were members, not members,
but you know, strong rusted on labor, people who are
just turning their backs on labor because they feel totally
(05:35):
unrepresented and everything's not okay, and they just are flying
out for someone to listen and act for them and
make the community safer. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Look, I don't think it does a lot in terms
of helping them along. I think that people, unless you
are rusted on Labor, I think people would see this
as a dirty tactic. Look and like I said too earlier,
on a real sort of personal level, I would see
this quite disappointing. I wouldn't have actually thought that it
would be something that the member for Karama would do.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
No, I was totally surprised, and I think it just
shows that, you know, it is the party. She's just
totally rusted on part of a machine, and you know,
her principles aren't part of that process anymore.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Now, tell me in terms of you know, like you
did touch on this as well, but in terms of
how the community's sort of seeing it since that's happened,
it sounds as so it has had a real, you know,
a real kind of negative impact.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I think it's turned on them. It's had major backlash.
So it wasn't a positive for Labor at all, and
people are just seeing that it's a party machine that
will go to any length to win, and that is
their goal, just to win, not to do the right
thing by the people.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Hey, Justine, did you receive one of those text messages
from Labor in the last twenty four hours as well?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
People are really fired up about this too.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
No, I haven't got a text message.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Oh so they've So they're sending out text messages as well,
now in different electorates or in different areas. Out in
the bush, they're obviously sending out different ones, but out
in the bush basically they're you know, there's spam texting
people saying LABEL will build twenty seven hundred bush homes,
but if the CLP get in, all of that will
go away. Vote Labor for more bush housing and a
link to territory labor. Then in the city. So I've
(07:22):
been or around, you know, around the suburbs and around
urban areas. I've had a few people message me about this.
But I also received on myself, and it basically says
I'm just trying to find the exact words. The COLP
will have to cut nurses, teachers, and other jobs to
pay for the fifty two million dollar hole in the
budget from their hair brain tax scheme. Territory labor dot
(07:45):
com dot au. Now I know they're obviously not having
a crack at the Independent and spun with that other
one that they're sending out Bush.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
You know, it's saying that they're going to what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Do you think that, you know, what do you make
of like of these spam messages going out to territories
in the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
It's just such a negative campaign. It's scared tactics and
what I would hope to see and what Independent talk
about is a positive campaign. What we can do working collaboratively,
working positively, you know, working for long term goals, not
scaring people into changing how they're going to vote. I mean,
that's just such a short term dirty trick and we
(08:24):
need better in democracy.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Justine, when you look at and when you know, when
there is this discussion about whether the Independence will hold
the balance of power, how you go with that?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I mean, who would you side with?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Are there any sort of absolute, you know, absolute sort
of policy settings that would make you say no to
either political party?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
That is just such a huge question and we're getting
it all the time, and it's really like Independents working
collaboratively with either side to make sure we get the
best interest for the people. But what we need is
money invested back in the community, the people and stop
letting the corporation, you know, monopolizing and capturing our parliament
(09:07):
and our parliamentarians and focusing on what's best for our
community and funding services not to their bare minimum, but
so they can actually change our community, make it safe,
make it a place to thrive, and that our children
have a hope for a beautiful future.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Hey, justin one quick, last one.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I know that a lot of our independents have been saying, look,
when it comes to those preferences, we're not telling territorians
how to preference. We are just saying to them, you know,
vote for me. Basically, did you have how to vote cards?
And where did they play?
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Snari?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
No, I've got how to vote cards, but it's just
me number one. And then you say, you know, what
does your principle say? What does your heart say? Is
the next best person to lead our community? And it's
over to them?
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
No, I was more thinking, goodness, me, has what's happened
in the last sort of you know, a couple of
days changed your mind about where those preferences may have been,
but it doesn't sound as though you had a preference
second anyway.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
No, I'm just concerned about both parties because it is
a party and they're both looking after their party rather
than the people, and that's why we need more independence
to hold them to account and really challenge some of
those decisions that they're making.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Well, justin Glover, the independent candidate for Karama, I really
appreciate your time this morning, and and yeah, I mean
keep your head held high. I think when those dirty
tricks are involved, you've just got to keep working hard.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Right, That's what we're doing. And thanks for your time, Katie,
No worries, thank you,
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