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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We know that Parliament is indeed sitting this week and
as we learned earlier in the week, Independent Robin Lamley
MLA was endorsed by the COLP to become this Speaker
of the Northern Territories Legislative Assembly. In my opinion, a
very smart and mature move by the Chief Minister Leafanocchiaro.
(00:20):
Robin is the most experienced person in Parliament and has
the ability to uphold the standard of parliament which Territorians
deserve and expect. And Robin joins me on the line
right now. Good morning to you, Robin.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Good morning Katie, and thank you for your nice words,
very kind.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Well should I say good morning Madam Speaker. Congratulations.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I'm still getting used to it, Katie. I'm pinching myself.
So it came completely unexpectedly and I am thrilled. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
How have the first couple of days been, Robin? I
watched on yesterday and I got to tell you, for me,
it was like a was such a weird thing to
watch after hearing the same names you know, for such
a long period of time, and now hearing these brand
new names in different electorates and seeing everybody in different
jobs it's quite bizarre.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
It is bizarre. There are so many new people in
the chamber for new members, and of course the ones
that survived are in different positions, so it is just
a complete changing of the guard and including me a speaker.
So as a spectacle for people watching it, it's very,
very different. And I think that's exactly what Territorians were
(01:36):
looking for though, weren't they a complete change in focus
and the personalities really well, that's.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
How they voted Robin. What have in terms of you know,
the first couple of days. I know that first day
is very much sort of the pomp and ceremony, but
yesterday some legislation coming through, and the first second and
even the passing of some legislation. It all, it does
all seem to be humming along quite quickly.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Look I looked across at the new government and it
felt like they had been doing it for years. They
they're very organized, obviously coming into these sittings, they had
a very big agenda. They are on top of it.
The ministers know their their jobs. They're very focused on
(02:27):
reducing crime and the legislation that they've given notice of
for the next couple of weeks. It's all there and
they're they're working hard, and that's exactly what should happen.
It was kind of a bit nervous for me sitting
in that chair, particularly yesterday for the first time for
starting over question time, but we've all been there and
(02:48):
done it before so well. The main players, the leader
of the Opposition and her small crew and all the
ministers were former shadow ministers. So people just got down
to work yesterday and that was good.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, it was good. And I think that that is
the expectation of you know, what territories expect, and they
do want to see change. That was what they'd voted for, Robin.
In terms of legislation today, what's on the agenda.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Look, there's a gosh, I haven't really studied it. Now
that I'm speaker, I don't have to.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
You don't have to debate it.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Do you for debate it? That there are two, possibly
two pieces of legislation coming through today. The first one
is the Criminal Code Amendment Bill, and possibly we might
get to a second piece of legislation, which is the
Liquor Legislation Further Amendment Bill. That's the one where they're
(03:46):
going to try and stop the level of public drunkenness.
So look, they've said it all out, We've been hearing
about it for weeks now, what their agenda is, and
as I said just before, they're just getting on and
putting this legislation through quickly. There's been some pushback from
the new Greens member, the new Independent member and the
(04:08):
opposition around not allowing proper scrutiny, but I think the
government have fairly solid ground in just getting on and
pushing it through and hopefully in six months time we
might feel some positive impact of this change in focus.
It will take time, Katie. You know, I was sitting
(04:29):
back listening yesterday and lowering the age of criminal responsibility
and bringing in wanding in schools and different other parts
of the community, all those things that they bought in yesterday.
It will take time for those to be implemented and
to start resonating and to even see if it does
(04:49):
change things. I think we're all trying to be optimistic,
but we're also realistic and it will take time and
some things will work, some things will work better than
other things, and some things won't work at all. So
you know, it's just a wait and see game. And
in the meantime, lives being affected by crime, and we
(05:12):
all know about that. So I just hope people can
be a bit patient. It took years for us to
get to this point. It will take years to try
and reverse it to some extent.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, and look, I think you're right. It's not going
to happen overnight. We understand that, and yeah, but we
are hoping that we start to see some change when
it comes to the issues we've got with crime. One
of the questions I did actually think was a really
good one from the opposition yesterday was the question around
whether the government's going to continue to publish some of
those crime statistics, particularly as the bail legislation changes, And like,
(05:46):
I get that they're then trying to pin the Chief
Minister down on, you know, if there's an increase, is
she going to resign? You know. Stepping aside from that
for a moment, I think it's really important that all
of those statistics do continue to be released because while statistics,
you can sort of make them work for whatever your
argument may or may not be. I do think it's
really crucial that we've got raw data that we can
(06:07):
look at and that we can sort of see if
there are things that are working and maybe aren't.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I agree, Katie. Katie, the Attorney General answered that question
and said pretty much that they would be continuing to
provide the monthly crime stats and which will include all
that has been included in the past, and then the
Chief Minister stood up later and reaffirm that. They both
(06:37):
said there'll be no change. It will be business as usual.
But you know, only last year the former Labor government
introduced surpro, which meant that none of us knew what
the heck was going on because it was a completely
new system and we couldn't reflect on what had happened
twelve months ago, and let alone four or five or
ten years. So you know, it's interesting to sit in
(06:59):
the speak his chair, Katie and listen to what's being
given what I know and probably what you and everyone
else exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yes, I think it's so interesting, and you know, stepping
aside from being the speaker and you know, talking as
a local member. The thing that I'm finding, you know,
like really ironic as well, I guess is is Labor
kind of now pushing the COLP on the crime stuff
when it's been their issue for the last eight years.
But I guess everybody's got to find their feet at
this point.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yes, but I don't think many of many of us
will quickly forget what happened over the last four to
eight years. And it's all very well to change try
and rewrite history, but I think most of us are
still trying to get.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Over exactly history exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Being crime escalate and everyone's lives be impacted. But that's
the nature of politics and a speaker, I just have
to sit back and listen and watch and try and
get the best out of everyone.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Keep them under control. Robin, what kind of speaker are
you hoping to be over the coming years?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
No nonsense, honest, a fair I hope that I can
just be myself. What I am enjoying over the last
forty eight hours, Katie, is fighting myself again. When you're
a politician fighting every day in the trenches, which is
(08:28):
pretty much what I have been for the last nine years,
that's all you do. This job will give me an
opportunity to find myself again and to be a little
bit more of who I am rather than what I
have become as a politician. For that, I am very
very grateful.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Oh look, I think you'll do a tremendous job. I
knowed yesterday. You know a chance he had stood to
his feet on a few occasions for his points of water.
And I can see you're not going to have any
of it, Robin, unless it is valid and and I
think that this is what's going to be really good.
As you've been in there for such a long time,
you know when something's valid or not.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I know every trick in the book, Katie, You've.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Played them, been there and done, even had yourself thrown
out a couple of times, if.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I recall correctly, Robin, intentionally usually, but yes, nothing like
a bit of a performance to make your point, Robin.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
I asked very quick listener question before I let you
go this morning. Somebody's just messaged through Bruce and he said, Hi, Katie,
do you know what time Parliament sittings take place? And
is anybody able to watch the sittings? I've emailed and called,
but the number on the numbers provided, but I've not
had a response. Is it something that anybody can go
along and watch if they're if they're keen.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yes, you can go to the Northern Territory Legislative Assembly
website and follow the instructions to get to the live
broadcast which is on the home page. And the sittings
start at ten am. We break for lunch at twelve
and come back at two o'clock for question time, and
then we continue throughout the evening.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
And are members of the public able to attend in
person if they want to, yes.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
They can, more than welcome. In fact, I would encourage
people to come and have a look. We had quite
a crowd yesterday that that sat there for hours. I've
never really noticed it before, but some people were there
for a very long time, just sitting there, listening and
watching and obviously enjoying it.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Good stuff seeing democracy and.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Territory and visitors are all welcome to sit in the
gallery and watch Parliament in action.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Well, Robin Lamley, it's always good to catch up with you.
We will no doubt talk to you again very soon.
Good luck over the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Thanks Katie, Thank you,
We know that Parliament is indeed sitting this week and
as we learned earlier in the week, Independent Robin Lamley
MLA was endorsed by the COLP to become this Speaker
of the Northern Territories Legislative Assembly. In my opinion, a
very smart and mature move by the Chief Minister Leafanocchiaro.
(00:20):
Robin is the most experienced person in Parliament and has
the ability to uphold the standard of parliament which Territorians
deserve and expect. And Robin joins me on the line
right now. Good morning to you, Robin.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Good morning Katie, and thank you for your nice words,
very kind.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Well should I say good morning Madam Speaker. Congratulations.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I'm still getting used to it, Katie. I'm pinching myself.
So it came completely unexpectedly and I am thrilled. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
How have the first couple of days been, Robin? I
watched on yesterday and I got to tell you, for me,
it was like a was such a weird thing to
watch after hearing the same names you know, for such
a long period of time, and now hearing these brand
new names in different electorates and seeing everybody in different
jobs it's quite bizarre.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
It is bizarre. There are so many new people in
the chamber for new members, and of course the ones
that survived are in different positions, so it is just
a complete changing of the guard and including me a speaker.
So as a spectacle for people watching it, it's very,
very different. And I think that's exactly what Territorians were
(01:36):
looking for though, weren't they a complete change in focus
and the personalities really well, that's.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
How they voted Robin. What have in terms of you know,
the first couple of days. I know that first day
is very much sort of the pomp and ceremony, but
yesterday some legislation coming through, and the first second and
even the passing of some legislation. It all, it does
all seem to be humming along quite quickly.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Look I looked across at the new government and it
felt like they had been doing it for years. They
they're very organized, obviously coming into these sittings, they had
a very big agenda. They are on top of it.
The ministers know their their jobs. They're very focused on
(02:27):
reducing crime and the legislation that they've given notice of
for the next couple of weeks. It's all there and
they're they're working hard, and that's exactly what should happen.
It was kind of a bit nervous for me sitting
in that chair, particularly yesterday for the first time for
starting over question time, but we've all been there and
(02:48):
done it before so well. The main players, the leader
of the Opposition and her small crew and all the
ministers were former shadow ministers. So people just got down
to work yesterday and that was good.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, it was good. And I think that that is
the expectation of you know, what territories expect, and they
do want to see change. That was what they'd voted for, Robin.
In terms of legislation today, what's on the agenda.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Look, there's a gosh, I haven't really studied it. Now
that I'm speaker, I don't have to.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
You don't have to debate it.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Do you for debate it? That there are two, possibly
two pieces of legislation coming through today. The first one
is the Criminal Code Amendment Bill, and possibly we might
get to a second piece of legislation, which is the
Liquor Legislation Further Amendment Bill. That's the one where they're
(03:46):
going to try and stop the level of public drunkenness.
So look, they've said it all out, We've been hearing
about it for weeks now, what their agenda is, and
as I said just before, they're just getting on and
putting this legislation through quickly. There's been some pushback from
the new Greens member, the new Independent member and the
(04:08):
opposition around not allowing proper scrutiny, but I think the
government have fairly solid ground in just getting on and
pushing it through and hopefully in six months time we
might feel some positive impact of this change in focus.
It will take time, Katie. You know, I was sitting
(04:29):
back listening yesterday and lowering the age of criminal responsibility
and bringing in wanding in schools and different other parts
of the community, all those things that they bought in yesterday.
It will take time for those to be implemented and
to start resonating and to even see if it does
(04:49):
change things. I think we're all trying to be optimistic,
but we're also realistic and it will take time and
some things will work, some things will work better than
other things, and some things won't work at all. So
you know, it's just a wait and see game. And
in the meantime, lives being affected by crime, and we
(05:12):
all know about that. So I just hope people can
be a bit patient. It took years for us to
get to this point. It will take years to try
and reverse it to some extent.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, and look, I think you're right. It's not going
to happen overnight. We understand that, and yeah, but we
are hoping that we start to see some change when
it comes to the issues we've got with crime. One
of the questions I did actually think was a really
good one from the opposition yesterday was the question around
whether the government's going to continue to publish some of
those crime statistics, particularly as the bail legislation changes, And like,
(05:46):
I get that they're then trying to pin the Chief
Minister down on, you know, if there's an increase, is
she going to resign? You know. Stepping aside from that
for a moment, I think it's really important that all
of those statistics do continue to be released because while statistics,
you can sort of make them work for whatever your
argument may or may not be. I do think it's
really crucial that we've got raw data that we can
(06:07):
look at and that we can sort of see if
there are things that are working and maybe aren't.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I agree, Katie. Katie, the Attorney General answered that question
and said pretty much that they would be continuing to
provide the monthly crime stats and which will include all
that has been included in the past, and then the
Chief Minister stood up later and reaffirm that. They both
(06:37):
said there'll be no change. It will be business as usual.
But you know, only last year the former Labor government
introduced surpro, which meant that none of us knew what
the heck was going on because it was a completely
new system and we couldn't reflect on what had happened
twelve months ago, and let alone four or five or
ten years. So you know, it's interesting to sit in
(06:59):
the speak his chair, Katie and listen to what's being
given what I know and probably what you and everyone
else exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yes, I think it's so interesting, and you know, stepping
aside from being the speaker and you know, talking as
a local member. The thing that I'm finding, you know,
like really ironic as well, I guess is is Labor
kind of now pushing the COLP on the crime stuff
when it's been their issue for the last eight years.
But I guess everybody's got to find their feet at
this point.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yes, but I don't think many of many of us
will quickly forget what happened over the last four to
eight years. And it's all very well to change try
and rewrite history, but I think most of us are
still trying to get.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Over exactly history exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Being crime escalate and everyone's lives be impacted. But that's
the nature of politics and a speaker, I just have
to sit back and listen and watch and try and
get the best out of everyone.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Keep them under control. Robin, what kind of speaker are
you hoping to be over the coming years?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
No nonsense, honest, a fair I hope that I can
just be myself. What I am enjoying over the last
forty eight hours, Katie, is fighting myself again. When you're
a politician fighting every day in the trenches, which is
(08:28):
pretty much what I have been for the last nine years,
that's all you do. This job will give me an
opportunity to find myself again and to be a little
bit more of who I am rather than what I
have become as a politician. For that, I am very
very grateful.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Oh look, I think you'll do a tremendous job. I
knowed yesterday. You know a chance he had stood to
his feet on a few occasions for his points of water.
And I can see you're not going to have any
of it, Robin, unless it is valid and and I
think that this is what's going to be really good.
As you've been in there for such a long time,
you know when something's valid or not.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I know every trick in the book, Katie, You've.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Played them, been there and done, even had yourself thrown
out a couple of times, if.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I recall correctly, Robin, intentionally usually, but yes, nothing like
a bit of a performance to make your point, Robin.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
I asked very quick listener question before I let you
go this morning. Somebody's just messaged through Bruce and he said, Hi, Katie,
do you know what time Parliament sittings take place? And
is anybody able to watch the sittings? I've emailed and called,
but the number on the numbers provided, but I've not
had a response. Is it something that anybody can go
along and watch if they're if they're keen.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yes, you can go to the Northern Territory Legislative Assembly
website and follow the instructions to get to the live
broadcast which is on the home page. And the sittings
start at ten am. We break for lunch at twelve
and come back at two o'clock for question time, and
then we continue throughout the evening.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
And are members of the public able to attend in
person if they want to, yes.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
They can, more than welcome. In fact, I would encourage
people to come and have a look. We had quite
a crowd yesterday that that sat there for hours. I've
never really noticed it before, but some people were there
for a very long time, just sitting there, listening and
watching and obviously enjoying it.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Good stuff seeing democracy and.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Territory and visitors are all welcome to sit in the
gallery and watch Parliament in action.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Well, Robin Lamley, it's always good to catch up with you.
We will no doubt talk to you again very soon.
Good luck over the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Thanks Katie, Thank you,
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