The Week That Was – 18th October 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, a very good morning, welcome to the show. And
of course it's Friday morning. It's time for the Week
that was, But it is a very special edition of
the Week that was today because it is the annual
Camp Quality Radio auction. It's a massive day for us
on air. If you hear about anything that you would
like to bid on eight nine four one four nine

(00:21):
is the number. Now, I'm very pleased to say that
joining me in the studio this morning, I have got
the independent member for Johnson, Justine Davis. Good morning to you. Justine.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hey, Katie, how you going.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
I'm very good, lovely to have you in the studio. Now, Justine,
You've got something a little bit special to donate this morning,
don't you.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
So I've got there's a one woman who lives in
my electorate who makes some beautiful clothes and she's got
a shop at Jake Homemaker Village. So I'm donating a
voucher for an item of clothing from her shop beautiful
and just so everyone knows, because it's been a very
busy week, the the voucher is coming.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
But I'm wearing one of her dresses so everyone can
see what it looks like.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Well, we are going to take a photo. I love
you modeling, and we are going to take a photo
so that our listeners can hear or can have a look,
I should say, and I'm at some of that beautiful.
It's like a piece of artwork that you're wearing today, justin.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah, her clothes are magnificent. She uses local fabric, it's
from across the territory and makes beautiful clothing.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
So yeah, wonderful. So if that sounds like something you
would like to bid on throughout the morning eight nine
four one one o four nine. And we have also
got in the studio this morning for the CLP the Treasurer,
and he's also got various other portfolios. Bill, Yeah, good
morning to you.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
Good morning Katie. Great to be back and create to
be in a new studio.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Ashou isness. We're very fancy in here now. Nothing's changed.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
I can't believe, I said. The studio is beautiful, and
the news the whole stand up thing is this.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah nice, it is a bit different now. Bill, You've
got something a bit special for us to donate today
as well.

Speaker 5 (01:57):
Yeah, I said, I snuck down a fishing and outdoor
world and I've got something that every territory needs.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
You're not a territory.

Speaker 5 (02:03):
Unless you've got some yetti in the cubit in the car.
So a two hundred and fifty dollars yetti gift pack
from the guys from Ronald Georgia Fishing Outdoor World to
give away today.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
So it's got a little bit of everything in there.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
I love that. Two very territory items up for grabs
from our politicians so far this morning. And Selena Rubo,
the leader of the Opposition, joins me in the studio
as well. Good morning to you. Oh hang on, let
me make sure I've got the right microphone on. Let's
try that again. Good morning again, Selena.

Speaker 6 (02:31):
Good morning Katie.

Speaker 7 (02:32):
Good morning to you listeners and of course everyone who's
going to bid on the camp Quality auction today.

Speaker 6 (02:37):
It is a very special day.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
So yes, it certainly is. And you've bought something in
that is incredibly territorian as well. What have you got
for us?

Speaker 7 (02:45):
Yes, So, Katie, I have a beautiful wooden sculpture and
it's come from one of the art centers and Tiwe Islands,
the Tiwei design and this art center is quite special
to Katie because they really support artists who have disabilities
to create artwork and to ear and an income, and
so I bought this a few years ago, and it's
quite special because I really like artwork that doesn't always have,

(03:07):
you know, the exact kind of shape and everything. And
it's a beautiful bird's carving and statue which is sort
of facing up and looking up at the.

Speaker 6 (03:15):
Sky, and I think it's really quite unique.

Speaker 7 (03:17):
It's by an artist, good Harold Wunbara, and I think
it's really gorgeous.

Speaker 6 (03:22):
And the only reason I'm willing to part with it
is because it's for such a good cause.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Oh good on you. That is wonderful. Well, look, if
anybody would like to call in this morning and place
a bid on any of these incredible items that we've
already got up for grabs, thanks so much to our
wonderful police for being so generous. I really do appreciate it.
And as we've said, it is for such a good cause.
So eight nine one four nine is the number, or
eight nine four one double nine, double nine, and you'll

(03:48):
be able to send well to get in contact and
let us know if you would like to place a bid.
That'll be up for auction for a little while or
for at least an hour and a half. I reckon,
we'll keep that going because we've got so many issues
to discuss this morning. So we are still going to
be covering off on all of those big issues for
the week that was, and we know that overnight, well,

(04:09):
legislation did pass through the parliament. The Colp government said
that ignoring ten and eleven year olds who commit serious
crimes was not the answer to turning their lives or
protecting the wider community around now, since the first of July,
there's been more than one hundred and four instances involving
youths aged ten, eleven, ten and eleven in the Commission

(04:34):
of Offenses in the Northern Territory. Now, I know there
was quite a bit of filibusting. I guess you might
call it quite a bit of discussion overnight with this legislation,
but it has passed bill. Why is this essential?

Speaker 4 (04:50):
Yeah, thanks Kaye.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
Look, this was a platform that we took to the
twenty twenty four election as part of those suite of
legislative changes and reforms to deal with crime in our communities.
But the big piece of this legislation, particularly around the
lowering the age of criminal responsibility, is the ability for
orders to be made for those kids, to get them

(05:11):
into programs and get them some interventions to try and
turn around that cycle of offending, because all too often
we see seeing those kids between ten and twelve committing
offenses and nothing has been happening, and all of a sudden,
they hit twelve years old and they're in contact with
a justice system, and then things start to happen. But
the ability to be able to intervene a little bit

(05:32):
earlier and try and change some of those behaviors, work
with those kids who work with the family so that
at the end of the day we can start working
with them earlier to try and change that behavior, so
by the time at twelve or thirteen years old, they're
not already on that path. And we all know the
younger a brain, the earlier you can get to them,

(05:54):
the more opportunity you have to make that change. And
as you start to get older, things start to get
locked in to the world way that you go about
you I suppose your life, and I know this from
my previous job. So it gives us the opportunity, gives
the judiciary of the opportunity to be able to get
out there and start to do something with these kids,
to try and get them on the right path and
to help their families so that we don't see them

(06:16):
further coming into contact.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Well, there has been quite a bit of pushback. I
mean I know that there was quite a bit of
pushback obviously in the Parliament. There was also a bit
of a rally or a protest held as well on
the steps of Parliament House earlier in the week. There
has been much said about this legislation and questions raised
about I guess why there wasn't able to be some

(06:38):
greater scrutiny before it passed. Selena, I might go to
you first, why do you think that this is such
bad legislation when I mean you yourself know obviously, over
the last eight years we have been grappling with serious
issues of crime. I've spoken to people who have had
their bag stolen by kids as young as ten years old,
you know, who've really been victim of crime, unfortunately at

(07:01):
the hands in some cases of very young people.

Speaker 6 (07:05):
Yeah, Katie.

Speaker 7 (07:05):
The reason why the Labor opposition didn't support the legislation
of lowering the criminal age of responsibility because it's not
based on any evidence. We do not dispute, and I
don't want anyone to get any mixed messages. Labor does
not dispute that young people should not be accountable for actions.
We absolutely believe that, and that they should face the consequences,
especially if there's criminal activity. We do not dispute that,

(07:27):
But it's how do you work with that young person,
their family or their guardian. Not every young person has
a safe family to go home to, so they may
be in care. So how do you work with that
young person to make sure that they do not stay
off the right track, so they don't fall away by
the wayside and they don't get entrenched in that justice system.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
You admit though, that LABOR did fail in that path.
You know, under the former government we were in a
situation where there were kids falling through the gaps. Katie.

Speaker 7 (07:54):
It's not an easy fix and we know that, and
we know that the COLP went to the election to
say that this is what they're going to do. We
do not dispute that. We don't dispute the intention whatsoever.
What we do fundamentally believe is that good laws need
to be based on good evidence, and this is not
what the CP has done for this particular legislation that

(08:14):
is hugely concerning not just for us as labor, the
territories that we represent and that we have the job
to do in opposition to hold the new government to account.
But all of those experts who have come out about
this particular legislation, Katie, they have been dismissed, they have
not been consulted, they haven't even got a seat at
the table to talk to the new government about this,

(08:34):
and it's been rammed through Parliament in a very unusual
and urgent way, and it doesn't actually make a difference
to our community.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
More successful programs already in place potentially helping kids to
stay off I'd love to.

Speaker 7 (08:49):
For that, Katie, and we would like to see the
new CLP government continue on that pathway to ensure that
we do have those robusts and those programs. But they
haven't actually showed us what they're doing.

Speaker 6 (09:00):
That's different. They haven't showed us any new programs.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
So we have very much welcome in place already.

Speaker 6 (09:05):
We have such.

Speaker 7 (09:05):
Program there is going to be We do have some
of those programs in place, and I'm sure Bill will
be able to talk to that as the new government minister.

Speaker 6 (09:12):
But it is a slow burn, Katie.

Speaker 7 (09:14):
We need to make sure there are more programs brought online,
more diversion, and more point that provides prevention at the
start and not the tail end. And what Bill has
failed to do today is to talk about ten and
eleven year olds now will be locked in prison cells
to then get help.

Speaker 6 (09:31):
And that for me blows my mind.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Justine, I might go to you, I know that you
have certainly made it pretty clear right from the get
go that you don't think that this is the right move.
I guess it's a tough juggle at the moment because
a lord in the community are really really fed up
with the issues of crime.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
One hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
People are fed up with the issues of crime, and
people are share the concerns of the COLP about these
young children who are falling through the gaps. I completely
agree when the cop comes out and says they've got
a mandate to address crime, and that they've got a
mandate to, you know, look after these young people. I
don't agree that that mandate means criminalizing ten and eleven

(10:09):
year olds. That's not what I heard from anyone I
talk to. It's really interesting when the CELP says we
don't need we don't need expert advice.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Because we've heard from the community.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
The community that I talk to, they understand there's are
complex problems. That's what they said to me. They said
to me, we want this to stop. You know, we
know that their long term problems. We want things to
be put in place now. We want things to be
put in place that work, and we want them to
be based on evidence.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
And I feel like, if you know there's.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
In Milner or stand in moil, can can understand that
we need to have good evidence to make laws.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
I don't know why the CLP doesn't.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
What I could never wrap my head around. I suppose
with this discussion over the last few years is that
to me, a lot of people felt like if a
young person was committing a crime, that there just wasn't
a con sequence. But in addition to that that if
a child, say at the age of ten years old,
was out on the streets and engaged in bad behavior,

(11:09):
then there was no other option but to take them home. Now,
if they didn't have a responsible adult to go to,
where and why was the system letting them down?

Speaker 4 (11:19):
Now?

Speaker 1 (11:20):
Correct me if I'm wrong, Bill, You've said you don't
want people in jail, that you want a situation where
they're able to then be involved in programs so that
hopefully they get on the right track. I suppose the
thing we've seen though over the last eight years as well,
is that we don't seem to have those programs.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
Oh and that's the thing, Katie, that they haven't been there.

Speaker 5 (11:38):
And we go back a few years when Labor raised
the age of criminal responsibility.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
I said this yesterday in Parliament.

Speaker 5 (11:44):
I remember sitting there listening to Chancey, the Attorney General
at the time, saying, we will not raise the age
of criminal responsibility until we have programs in place to
help those kids. Well, the age was raised, Katie, and
there were no programs in place.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
There was nothing additional.

Speaker 5 (11:58):
There was some programs, particularly our springs, that were limited
to what they could do, and the big thing was
consequences for actions. And the people of the territory spoke
loudly at the polls. We went to the election saying
that we were going to lower the age of criminal
responsibility from twelve down out of ten, and the community
effectively spoke at the end of the day about those things.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
So we looked at what had been in place. We
know that.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
There had been no programs to address what these kids
were up to. There was no consequence for action. So effectively,
now there will be consequence for action. So if a
young person ten eleven, twelve commits an offense.

Speaker 4 (12:37):
They'll come up before the judiciary.

Speaker 5 (12:39):
The judicial will make a decision on what needs to
happen with that young person. And we're putting in place
the youth boot camps for kids to go to as well.
That's something that Labor promised to do and never did.
We're going to be implementing something that Labor again promised
and never did, which will be community service. So some

(12:59):
of these young people can go and do community service
and repay their debt to society for their offending behavior.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
So again there is that consequence for action.

Speaker 5 (13:09):
And this is what the community has been screaming for, Katie,
because everybody sees these things happening, but there's no consequence
for action for those offenders, and that needs to be there.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
Those offenders need.

Speaker 5 (13:19):
To know that they do something wrong and do something
wrong against the community, there will be an action. They
will have to do something, They will have to pay
a debt to society in some way, shape or form.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Look, there has been so much legislation passed through this
week from what I can gather, and I just want
to cover off on some of the other pieces of legislation.
One of those is indeed the ram Raid legislation, the
other posting and boasting. Now we'll talk a little further
about Declan's Law in a little while, but first off,
under the new Ramraid legislation, police are going to be
able to charge offenders who have stolen a vehicle and

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used it as a weapon to damage property or gain
entry to a building. With this brand new offense, it
attracts up to ten years behind bars. Meanwhile, the new
posting and boasting offense is going to see a penalty
of up to two years jail. This will apply to
any person who promotes a certain crime of criminal activity

(14:14):
such as violent offenses, property damage theft. Now, earlier this week,
you guys may not have heard because obviously you are
in Parliament working very hard in that first week of parliament,
but we saw a situation where the Northern Territory Police
arrested eleven youths and some adults after a crime spree
involving multiple car thefts and burglaries in the Greater Darwin region.

(14:38):
Now up to twenty people we are told traveled from
the West Daily Region to Adelaide River where they allegedly
broke into a school. They stole a bus they headed
into Darwin on Tuesday night. That bus was dumped at
Berrima before the group allegedly stole two cars from Moose Street.
Their next target was Winelli where multiple businesses were damaged.
Two cars were stolen before a LAMB crew so Troopie

(15:01):
was taken from Mindle Beach casino and a home in
the Kara. Now seven of the eight stolen cars have
since been recovered. But as I say, this group their
aged from fifteen to twenty. Now, what I think was
pretty appalling is we did see on nine News Darwin
earlier in the week, vision shared of the group inside

(15:22):
that bus that they had stolen. I mean, this, you
would have to say, is posting and boasting. So I
guess what I'm wondering is, as I look at the
legislative changes from overnight, how that is going to be
implemented in a practical sense. I know we can't talk
about specifics, but in a practical sense, should something like
this happen and.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
I think that's a great question, Katie. That's a question
about all this legislation.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
As Selena said earlier, it's all been rushed through on urgency.
So I'm a new member of Parliament. I'm learning how
everything works. So I don't know if people know how
it usually works. But what usually happens is that a
laws proposed to Parliament, there's time to debate it, to
ask questions, to review it, to propose amendments, and usually

(16:07):
then what happens is then in the next sitting of
Parliament it's voted on.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
That's kind of the rules, the standing orders.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
So this election, this sitting of parliament, what the colp
had said is that.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
These bills need to go through on urgency.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
They've ated to suspend those those rules so that we
had to vote on them straight away. So for someone
like myself, I got to see these laws that the
ones you're talking about right now, just before we had
to debate and vote on them. So questions like the
questions you're asking now about how is this going to work,
what's it actually going to mean?

Speaker 2 (16:40):
We don't know how to answer them.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
We've got a really serious job, you know, we're making
law for the whole Northern territory and we need to
be able to.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Do that job properly. We need to have the information
to be able to do it.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
So all of those laws are laws that have can
have very serious implications for people's human rights. It's not
playing around and exactly like the question you asked now,
they are the kinds of questions that we were asking
in parliament.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
How's this going to work? What's it going to mean?

Speaker 3 (17:07):
I just want to go back to when Bill said
earlier about that needed to be programs in place. We've
heard from the COLP that there is a plan, but
that don't.

Speaker 6 (17:17):
Have the details. Haven't explained the plan, What are the details?

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Where are these kids going to go? Where are these kids?

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Which the COLP have said this bill is not about
children being locked up. They said that over and over
and over again in the streets, in Parliament, in the media,
and yet they voted against an amendment by the Member
Formulka who said, Okay, let's let this bill pass, but
let's make sure that kids don't go to jail, exactly
what you're saying.

Speaker 6 (17:40):
Every se if there.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Is a situation we're a child, Look, I don't know
what age we want to talk about here. But if
there is a situation where a child commits a very
serious offense, the expectation is from the community that there
is a repercussion to that. And so this is where
I think that, you know, I understand the pushback do
and I am a very big believer that there does
need to be scrutiny in parliament. So please, don't, you know,

(18:05):
take what I'm about to say is not feeling that way,
but I do feel and I've taken calls every single day,
numerous calls every single day for several years now on
this show, to the point where you know, even for
me as a broadcaster, it's harrowing, it's sad, it is

(18:25):
devastating what some people have lived through, and they do
expect that the government is going to take action. So
I think that we're in a bit of a rock
at a hard place at this point in time.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
I completely agree with that, and I think what people
expect is action that's going to work. And I think
that what we know is that criminalizing ten or eleven
year olds is not going to make us safer and
it's going to harm those children. The two things that
the cop says they don't want to do. I one
hundred percent agree that this is something we need to address.
That what people are experiencing is is not okay that

(18:57):
it is, it is something urgent.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
I'm a person of action.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Don't want to stay around, you know, talking about stuff
all the time, but.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
It has to be the right action.

Speaker 6 (19:04):
I agree with what Justine said.

Speaker 7 (19:06):
But in particular those two pieces of the legislation out
of the three, the one that passed last night around
ram rating and around post and boast, that's work that
we started under Labor government. So I commend the new
CLP government for continuing on that work.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
So you reckon that's good stuff.

Speaker 7 (19:23):
I think it's good and I spoke about that yesterday
in my speech as well. We absolutely support that in
the Labor opposition because that's the work that we started
under the Labor government before the elections. So we commend
the CLP for taking on that work. But when we're
talking about mechanisms and being able to ensure community safety,
which I know there's been a huge focus, particularly with
you in this role as a broadcaster, and all of

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the listeners that are on Mix as well, and everyone
around all the communities that we represent, across the Northern Territory.
We do want to see things that prevent this type
of behavior, that actually stop it, and at the moment
we're seeing a lot that are coming from the new
Ceral government around punitive measures and strengthening the consequences. But
I really honestly believe Katie, that territories voted the CLP

(20:07):
in because they said they were going to be able
to prevent and fix crime. And I really look forward
to working with the CLP government to make sure that
that's what your job is, that's what your platformance, you
promise territories, and that's what you need to do.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
That is absolutely what we're seeing on the text line
this morning as well, people saying I voted for change.
Now enough is enough after the carjackings, you know, time
for accountability. But look, we are going to have to
take a quick break. The hour is screaming by. It
is just twenty six minutes after nine o'clock. That number
if you'd like to call through this morning eight nine

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four one one oh four nine. Now, let's not forget
it is camp quality Radio auction day and we have
got up for grabs right now. If you would like
to bid well billion has donated a yetti pack valued
at two hundred and fifty dollars. We have got a
beautiful sculpture or a piece of artwork from Selena Rubo.

(21:04):
I reckon, we can get that cracking along. That is
a beautiful it's a it's a beautiful bird sculpture. And
Justine has donated a fantastic one hundred dollars voucher. It's
for a beautiful local clothes designer and she is wearing
one of the dresses today and it looks fantastic. So
get those bids cracking well if you have just joined

(21:26):
a seat. Is indeed the week that was, but it
is also the camp Quality Radio auction day. Now we've
got some fabulous items that our politicians have donated for
this morning, including this yetti pack from Bill Yam worth
two hundred and fifty dollars. Now, somebody called in I
think and said that they would have a crack at
it for I think it was fifty bucks. Did that
person say that they wanted anyway? Bill said, Nat, you'll

(21:49):
buy yourself oh one twenty five. Somebody bit on, but
you said, Nut, you'll buy yourself for two hundred. I'll
d cake two hundred.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
All right, you never have too much YETI well, that is.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Where the boat. That is where it is currently sitting
at two hundred dollars. And then of course we have
got Justine's voucher for what's the.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Business called justice Ice Screen Art, Ice creen arch.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
I reckon, it sounds perfect. I'm just going to sit quietly.
I'm not going to bid on it yet because I'm
gonna wait and see if anybody else does. I reckon,
That's what I was thinking. I like that dress. I'll
see what I can get my hands on.

Speaker 6 (22:27):
Make a change on the way out, Katie, take the dress.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
I won't do that to you, Justine. And then of
course Selena's got the beautiful piece of tea. Yes, I
love it. So look keep those bids coming. Eight nine
four one one four nine is the number. Now, look,
there is a lot of very serious things to discuss
this morning, and while we are still sitting with Parliament,
I do want to go through the fact that the

(22:52):
new COLP government have said that they are going to
have new measures to improve integrity and transparency of Parliament. Now,
this is something that we've just spoken about, the fact
that legislation does indeed need to be scrutinized when it
is being passed, and Steve Edgington, the Leader of Government Business,
has said that in opposition we made it clear we

(23:13):
were committed to greater levels of transparency, accountability and good
practice in parliamentary procedure.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
They did say that they did, yes.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
And so did you guys before you're elected last time.
It's something that I always start off with on my
oh please the book.

Speaker 6 (23:30):
You haven't read it yourself, have you?

Speaker 1 (23:35):
So look they have said that there is going to
be new sessional orders which will allow for petitions to
be debated for double the time allowed by Labor, and
the newly established Legislative Scrutiny Committee will have the opportunity
to review and report on legislation. Now, this is on
top of Robin Lamley being announced as the Speaker, the

(23:56):
Independent Speaker, which I thought was an excellent move in
terms of having an independent member of Parliament holding everybody
to account inside of Parliament. And I spoke to Robin
earlier in the week and she did say that she
knows every trick in the book and she's been thrown
out a couple of times, so she knows what to
keep an eye out for But look, in terms of

(24:16):
the Scrutiny Committee, this is something we've spoken about on
a few occasions since the new government has been elected. Justine,
by the sounds of it, you think this is certainly
a move that needs to happen.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Ah, Yeah, look, I think it's fantastic. I really welcome it.
I'd actually prepare emotion to propose that that's what we
bring into Parliament.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
So I can you know, that's great it's happening, as
long as along with some other measures that I think
could also enhance our accountability. Yeah, so I welcome it.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
It's great.

Speaker 5 (24:46):
It's good to be able to bring back the Scrutiny committeees, Katie.
And it was something that was scrapped under Labor on
the last government.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
We're bringing it back now.

Speaker 5 (24:54):
We still need the ability, of course occasion, we're going
to have to bring something in an urgency.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
These things happen. We know that some may happen. We
may have to bring something in an urgency.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
We get that, and we might not be able to
get that into a Scrutiny Committee. There'll be larger pieces
of legislation that we're going to be introducing. Of course,
over the next four months and they'll be going out
to public consultation, so effectively that is scrutiny by everybody.
We'll be getting those pieces of legislation now to all
the stakeholders out the public for everybody else to have
their input, and then there'll be other pieces of normal

(25:24):
routine stuff that we'll be able to get through to
the Scrutiny Committee for them to have a look at,
to go away do their duty allegence and then bring
it back to the Parliament. So that's our commitment I
suppose to territory and to territory Parliament now is to
be able to do that piece of work so that
everybody can have the required input. But we still need
those mechanisms for that urgency stuff. Of course, we may

(25:47):
need to bring something on an urgency, so we might
not be able to get it through that Scrutiny Committee
in that time frame. But that's that's just some things
we have to do now.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
I'm sure that this is still being worked on, But
can I ask what is the makeup going to be
of that screw new committee, like how many members of government,
how many opposition, how many independents?

Speaker 4 (26:04):
Yeah, I think that's still been worked through.

Speaker 7 (26:05):
At the moment it's three government members, it's one opposition
and one cross bench. And we asked when we did
debate that on Wednesday, to if the government's got the
numbers on the Scrutiny Committee, why would that need to
be Could you have three and three so we also
have obviously the new member for Nightcliff is a Greens
Party member, so we're referring to our independence and the

(26:26):
Greens Party member as the cross bench, but could we
have an opposition Labor member, a Greens member and one
of the independents on that member correctly, it would be great.

Speaker 5 (26:35):
The Leader of Government Business Steve edit And said that
we may be looking at how that makeup was going
to be.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
I know that we spoke about that initially and then
I remember it being written to the I remember it all.

Speaker 5 (26:46):
Then coming back in and there was some discussion about
how that makeup.

Speaker 7 (26:50):
And to do that expand it. That would be fantastic
because it would mean six members of Parliament to be
able to scrutinize that important legislation.

Speaker 6 (26:59):
We think that would be great.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Look not to be a pain in everybody's bottom here,
but will it also mean that that tax payers are
paying more for each member that he's on a scrutiney committee.

Speaker 5 (27:08):
No, No, when the way the committees work, Katie, Look,
I think just about everybody in Parliament's going to be
on one committee or another. You only get paid once
for being on.

Speaker 4 (27:17):
You could be on, you could be on, you could
be on three committees.

Speaker 5 (27:22):
But you only get a little bit of extra money
if you're on a committee because you have to do that
extra work outside your normal parliamentary process. So you only
get paid once. You don't get paid for being on
three committees.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
You know, I'll always ask the question, I'm a.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
Treasure there, Katie stop. I'm like, I'm one of that.
I'm trying to save a buck wherever i can, making.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Sure you're so funny. Now, now, look we know that
you know those scrutiny committees are incredibly important, all that
scrutiny committee, so I will be waiting to hear exactly
how all that rolls out now. I touched on this
a moment ago, but Robin Labley as the Speaker, I
think it's been a really good move. It's been interesting
throughout the week to watch it. It's a tough job,
right anyone's stepping into that speaker's role. I've seen it

(28:02):
over the years and just how interesting it can sort
of be, how wild it can get in Parliament to
put it exciting, exciting, she knows how many people I've
seen thrown out over the years. But I tell you what,
it's taken a lot for me to get used to
this week watching Parliament and hearing the you know, the
different electorates, the names get called out in different names,

(28:23):
people pop up. Yes, it's so it's so strange for
me after watching. Is what's it been like for those
for yourself for.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
The moment, I mean, I think it's been an overwhelming week.
We've been dealing with really really important legislation at the
same time for someone like me trying to understand how
all the systems work, so, you know, doing our best.
In terms of Robin being the Speaker, I think across
the board everyone is really happy about that. I think
it's wonderful to have an independent speaker. I certainly as

(28:51):
a new member, feeling very safe hands knowing she's there.
I will say that I am really missing her on
the cross bench.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
I was really looking.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
Forward to to having her there in terms of as
another independent and as someone who has a really strong
you know history, and yeah, so that's a that's a loss,
I think for the Parliament. But in terms of having
her there as speaker, you know, I think across the
board everyone's really.

Speaker 5 (29:16):
Yeah, I think it's quite important having an independent speaker.
We've seen it with Keja. Kezi was independent, not a
line to either of the parties, and then we've seen
Keyja left and we've had labor speakers for the last
four years that I've been there. And look, they've been
good speakers, I must say, but there's always that party
line that it's in some way, shape or form. We
understand that. But having Robin there as an independent speaker

(29:39):
is really good. She's not a lying to why the party.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
She didn't cause any agitation amongst the back benches or
anybody else within the CP.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
Bill Absolutely not.

Speaker 5 (29:48):
I think everybody said it's great to have Robins as
speaking and look, she's our most experienced member of Parliament
now I think what was the term she's the mother
of the House.

Speaker 7 (29:57):
And Keyser loving called the grandmother of the House, and
Robinson I'm not as old as Keasier.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Or am I look keasy is going to pop in
a little bit later on this morning for the Quality
Radio Auction. But look, we are going to take a
really quick break when we come back. We've actually got
some really serious issues to discuss, and one of those
is domestic violence and the continued concerns that we have
around domestic violence. So we'll take a very quick break.
You are listening to mix one oh four nine's three sixty.

(30:26):
It is the week that was. We are listening to
the Week that was, and it is indeed Camp Quality
Radio Auction Day. Just to give you a bit of
an update, we are now sitting at over ten thousand
dollars raised, so after ten o'clock this morning, big money,
already wonderful money for such a worthy cause. And after
ten o'clock we will certainly be really knuckling down with

(30:47):
the auction. But if you do want to call through
this morning, if you'd like to have a bid on
any of the items that we've got up so far today,
eight nine four one one four nine. Now, look, I
have just received a message from Jerry Wood and Jerry said,
do you remember when the CLP tried to sack Keysya
sackedor for about thirty minutes and then reinstated her after
a CLP member changed their vote. Jerry, I remember that

(31:11):
very well. Actually. Now, look, there is a lot to
discuss this morning. There always is, and I do want
to talk about the fact that earlier in the week
we know that a woman died after an alleged domestic
violence related stabbing on Monday. In a statement released earlier
in the week, the Northern Territory Police Force spokesperson said
that officers had received a report of a seriously injured

(31:34):
forty two year old woman at the local clinic at
lar Jamanu with a large crowd gathered. Now. The woman
was declared dead a short time after police arrived. It's
believed that she was stabbed with an edged weapon. The
spokesperson said. The woman's forty six year old partner was
arrested nearby. The fatal stabbing of the Largermanu woman marks

(31:55):
the seventh alleged domestic violence related homicide in the Northern
Territory since the start of June. That's seven women since
the start of June. The numbers are horrible, They're horrendous.
It's unfathomable. I think in a lot of ways, it's
hard to even find the right words to describe how

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terribly sad that is. We also understand that there are
further two women in intensive care at Royal Darwin Hospital.
It's very clear to me that there needs to be
some really serious change in this space now. I actually
caught up with Rachel uber Gang yesterday from the YWCA
and one of the things that she said to me
that really stuck with me is that there are different

(32:44):
measures that they can do that they do right now
that help domestic violence survivor a victim survivors, things like CCTV,
different security measures at their homes, but right now they
do not have the funding to be able to help
the level of victim survivors that need those measures. Now.

(33:06):
We have been calling i think everybody in this room,
so many people have been calling for that needs based funding.
This is one thing that I think every side of
Parliament can agree on in the Northern Territory that needs
based funding is absolutely required.

Speaker 7 (33:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (33:25):
Absolutely.

Speaker 7 (33:26):
It's just tragic, Katie when anyone across the Northern Territory
is affected by family, domestic or sexual violence, and particularly
if a territory loses their life to that as well,
and it does affect us all. It's a two degrees
of separation in the NT, not six. So our friends,
our families, our colleagues are affected and just hearing the

(33:47):
stories that you've mentioned already and knowing some of the
stories across our communities, it's absolutely devastating and it is
hard to talk about. But what gives me some small,
tiny bit of comfort, Katie, is that we are talking
about lot more and not just in small sections of
our community. We're talking about it in the broader, wider,
mainstream parts of our community. And I think that that

(34:10):
is a way to bring the territory together because the
needs based funding is significantly the piece that is missing
for us here in the territory. And it doesn't matter,
like you said, what iteration of politics you sit behind.
We need to come together to join this and we've
already offered the new Chief Minister, Leafeddocciario our support, bipartisan support.

(34:30):
Labour talked about needs based funding for DV prevention for
the last eight years. We will continue to do that
for the next four years in opposition, and we reach
out to other members of Parliament and I Justine's very
strong on this too, to make sure that this is
an area, unfortunately where we have to unite on. We
wish we didn't have to have this as an area
of concern, but it will continue to plague our community

(34:53):
unless we have the resources that our frontline workers and
behavior change programs that really make a difference. And we
will do whatever we can in labor to support the
new government and work with our bipartisanship with other members
of Parliament to make sure this is an area that
we united on.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
The stuff over the.

Speaker 5 (35:09):
Last months, You're right, Selena, the stuff in the last
month has I've been absolutely horrifying, and I know the
Chief I think on a first trip down to camera
last month straight away was talking to the federal government
about that needs based funding specifically around the DV and
we're committed to that funding that was already announced previously
on DV and we've got to make sure it gets
to the right places to start to make that changes.

(35:32):
We can't have this continuing. I've got to get down
there and talk with the Treasurer and next month sometime
and again I've already spoken to him on the phone
last week and one of the things I did raised
with him was funding for the bush and funding around
DV to make sure that we've got the funding to
try and make this change, because we can't have this

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continuing and we see so many DV offenders in custody
and it's it's been something that just keeps continuing that
no one in the community supports it, but it seems
to be rampant across rampant across the community. That's that's
something we have to change. We have to change a narrative.
We need to bring it to the forefront of everybody.

(36:16):
We need to be talking about it. We need people
to be aware of it and stand up and do
something about it, because that's one of those change mechanisms
we have to start. If you see it, report it,
don't don't hide it away, be upfront about it. And
I said, report it so people don't end up losing
their lives anymore.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Yeah, yeah, look, I totally agree. You know, nas Bill said,
just the seven deaths that you talked about, three are
in this month. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. It's a total tragedy.
As Saloona said, it affects everyone. We're all connected in
some way to people who are being harmed by this
and killed. We absolutely need need needs based funding. Also,

(37:00):
I've asked this a few times and I asked in
Parliament it was really fantastic that the Corp committed to
one hundred and eighty million dollars.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
To address this. The Labor had also committed to.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
I would really like to see the details of how
that money is going to be spent and when it's
going to be spent.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
We know that there was a very detailed.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Plan worked out in consultation with people like Rachel uber
Gang and the sector and experts. I would like to
know whether that one hundred and eighty million dollars is
going to be spent in line with the recommendations from
that plan, because that's what I think would work. Just
like when we talk about having good research and doing
things that are smart and they're going to work and
make all of us safer. And I mean we've said
this again and again. We know that, you know, everyone

(37:41):
talks about crime, the real crime crisis in the Northern
Territory is family, sexual and domestic violence. That is where
people are being killed, that is affecting every single aspect
of people's lives. All these children that we're talking about,
all children have been affected by this.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
That's where we need to we need to be putting.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
I think all our energies there to address that, to
keep all of us.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
I mean, is there something that could be happening in
Parliament on urgency this week? Do you think, Justine?

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Or isn't that interesting when we talk about urgency.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
So for example, the bail laws that were passed this
week on urgency, they're not going to come into place
until January next year. Difficult to know why that was
so urgent, Why we had to be making decisions, Why
I had to be making a decision on a law
that's going to affect people.

Speaker 6 (38:28):
We could have had the ability, Katie Justice. Actually it
could have.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Ended up a situation where it's not happening.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
We've got the bart laws in on ergcy and just because.

Speaker 7 (38:37):
They don't start till next year, Bill, I don't think
that the CLP little bitute time to do that.

Speaker 5 (38:42):
The bit of work behind the scenes for them to
be enacted, to be lovely, to be able to come
in and in the perfect world we could do the
on urgency in Parliament during the week and the new laws.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
Are enacted next week.

Speaker 5 (38:53):
It doesn't I wish it worked like that. It doesn't
work that it takes a little bit of time to
do that, because if we didn't bring a an urgency
this week, then we would have had to wait until
next month, and that would delay bringing those change those
buyer laws in even further down the track. So that's
why our boarding nurged to try and get those changes in.

Speaker 7 (39:11):
Agency would then create the ability for the new government
to then put that legislation to the Administrator, who a sense,
which means that basically provides the signature to then gazette
and make that law become real and implement it. Usually,
I mean I've seen some of that happen within a week. Basically,

(39:32):
it's a meeting from the Executive Council, which is two
ministers plus the Administrator. They inform the Administrator of the
new legislation, the administrator provides their assent.

Speaker 6 (39:43):
How come that's not the case, but I would like
to know that.

Speaker 5 (39:45):
To a simple legislation, it is quite easy. You can
move through that process.

Speaker 6 (39:49):
If that's for all legislation, Katie.

Speaker 5 (39:51):
For quite detailed legislation, it can take a little bit
more time.

Speaker 6 (39:56):
At two years and that's the process.

Speaker 5 (39:57):
There's quite a lot of change in that in that
b space. So to get that right and to get
it in place, I.

Speaker 6 (40:04):
Think it's just disingenuous.

Speaker 7 (40:06):
The COLP promised they would create immediate change, and like
Justine saying, we're not going to see that exactly, just
too slow for territorians.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
Like sorry, Savannah, but this is complicated legislation and that's
that's the other thing that we've been saying, having time
to actually look at the unintended consequences of this legislation,
which I could already see in parliament this week. You know,
as a member of Parliament, a lawmaker, I didn't have
time to consider what the consequences might be of that law.
And then the next day we're passing other laws that

(40:39):
are going to mean that you know, we're locking up
or denying bail to tell the presumption of denying about
to ten year olds, changing the definition of.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
What we're not just talking about children, just.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
We're not just talking about children.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
We're talking about about children.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
And let's not forget we're.

Speaker 5 (40:53):
Talking about Baier reform for adults and children, and this
is for vile offenders. And this goes some way to
trying to do with some of this domestic violence issues.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
That we're facing, Bil.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Can you explain the new definition of serious crime under
that legislation? What that now?

Speaker 5 (41:08):
A serious crime is a crime that has some aggravation
and it sits within the Criminal Codec. So there are
a number of factors that determine what a serious crime
or serious offending is. So I think if you're talking
that the high level of aggravated assault becomes a serious crime,
if my memory serves me correct, a normal assault wouldn't
be a serious crime. There's a level that sits within

(41:29):
the Criminal codec which determines what is classed as a
serious crime.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Fact is my mind, and these are the kind of
questions we need to know if this is going to
be what's impacting on people. My understanding from asking questions
is that serious crime is now going to include drugs,
It's going to include things like threatened to kill. And
if we talk about domestic violence, that if a woman's
trying to escape from her partner she says I'm going

(41:54):
to kill you, that now can be defined.

Speaker 7 (41:57):
As a serious Yes, So, Katie, that's an area the
implications of unintended consequences. Without having that time to fully
scrutinize the bill, we will see examples like what Justine's
alluding to, where maybe a woman is escaping family domestic violence,
they've used a weapon to protect themselves, and now the
discretionary powers from the judges to provide a presumption of

(42:19):
bail is now completely removed, so considering an individual circumstance
is no longer available to the judges.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
I absolutely understand the concerns around that, but I guess
to look at this from the other side of things,
and following on from discussions that I've had with Samaralavity,
for example, you know what the community expects as well,
is that if somebody commits a serious violent offense and
that they you know, that a weapon is involved, a

(42:48):
lot of members of the community really believe that they
should not then be out on bail and in a
situation where somebody is able to be.

Speaker 5 (42:58):
Murdered, Okay, start with no, start with presumption atgainst, but
they need to prove to the judge and to the
community why they should be allowed back out on the streets.

Speaker 4 (43:08):
And that's a good starting point.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
And Katie, I'm not disagreeing with that.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
What I'm saying is that when we're talking about these
complicated laws as just described by Bill. We need to
really understand what the implications of them are. It's serious business,
you know, we need to do our job properly exactly.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
And I feel like, you know.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
I feel like I need to apologize to the people
who elected me and my community because I feel like
I couldn't do my job properly this week because I
didn't have the time to actually get the advice and
understand what the implications of these laws might be. I'm
not talking I'm not even going to the content of
the laws. I'm talking about the process.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Look, we are going to have to take a quick break.
It is just a couple of moments away from ten o'clock.
I am going to ask you all to stay for
a few minutes longer, though, just to go through the
Camp Quality Radio Auction items. We will take a really
quick break. You are listening to Mix one O four
nine's three point sixty. It is the week that was, well,
it is indeed the week that was, but a little
bit different this week because it is the Camp Quality

(44:04):
Radio Auction Day. It's a day that really everything's thrown
out the window, all the rules and we just get
to have fun on air. Well, once all this discussion finishes,
which it has now. So we've got three items, one
from each of you this morning that is up for grabs. Now,
bill Yan, you've got this YETI packets currently somebody bit
one hundred and twenty five dollars, but you said, nah,

(44:26):
I'll keep it myself for two hundred.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
Never have too much yety in the territory, never have
too much.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
YETI it's so true, isn't it. My kids lose their
water bottles everywhere though, so I just don't I have
to go with. I feel like they need to take
a milk bottle basically so they don't lose their.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
I'm forever losing the stuff. That's why I have to
keep buying it.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
So two hundred dollars is where it's sitting at right now.
Eight nine four one double nine, double nine. If you'd
like to bid on that. Now, Selena, you've got a
beautiful indigenous sculpture for us. Oh, look at that. Very good.

Speaker 6 (44:58):
It's made out of wood. It's from tee Wee design
from Bathistyl.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
I think it's beautiful it is, and.

Speaker 6 (45:05):
It's been painted as well.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Do you know what I reckon? My mother would love
that how much do you think that that should start at.

Speaker 7 (45:11):
It would be great to see it start at a
hundred yep, and then see what goes.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
From there, see what goes from there. I reckon that.

Speaker 7 (45:17):
I think it's a beautiful like stretched up to the
sky and he's looking up.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
All right, Well look, let's let's give it a little while.
I'm thinking to myself do I have a crack at everything?
The price up? I was thinking, oh my mom would
love that for Christmas.

Speaker 6 (45:33):
It would be a great Christmas present, it would be.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
And Justine, well, Justine, you are wearing one of the
beautiful creations that somebody can put towards one hundred dollars
towards one of those beautiful dresses or something else that
they might like to get made.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
So local designer, local fabrics. Let's support our local businesses.
That Irene Omarra, who makes these dresses and runs shop,
is an artist.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Yeah, I can't recommend her. I love all her clothes.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
So beautiful stuff. So we are going to start the
bid at one hundred dollars eight nine four to one,
double nine, double nine. If you would like to place
a bid on that voucher, it is a one hundred
dollars voucher, so I think start at the one hundred dollars.
This is all for a wonderful cause. It's for camp
quality and they do so much for young people here

(46:23):
in the Northern Territory who are going through a really
tough battle. So I think it's an incredible cause. You've
got a d down.

Speaker 7 (46:29):
Happy to start one hundred dollars for Dustine's dress maker.
I do like getting territory dresses made, and it's a
little weakness, but it means the money goes back into
the territory. So I'll take one hundred dollars as the
first bidder.

Speaker 6 (46:41):
Absolutely the winning bit.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Oh, I love it. Good on you, all right, So
one hundred dollars sitting with Selena there for the beautiful
tell us.

Speaker 6 (46:50):
Again.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
The name of the business just it called Ice Screen Art,
so it's in Jape Homemaker.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Village, Ice Green Art in Jape Homemaker Village. I'm just
making note of that, so I'm gonna have to go
and check it out. Sticky be exactly That's exactly what
I was think. You Well, thank you three so much
for joining us this morning. We're going to keep your
auction items going for about another half an hour and
we will let you know how they go. But thank
you so much for your donations. Thank you for joining

(47:16):
us as well this morning, for the week that was,
and for Camp Quality Radio Auction Day. Selena Rubou, thanks
so much for your time.

Speaker 6 (47:23):
Thank you, Katie, thanks for having me back.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Bill Yeah, thank you so much for your time.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
Always great to be here, Katie.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Lovely lovely to have you in the studio. Justin Davis,
thank you so much for your time.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Thanks Katie, have a great week you too.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Thank you. You are listening to Mix one O four
nine's three p sixty. We're going to take a bit
of a break when we come back. Well, we have
got so many wonderful auction items up for grabs. Our
politicians have just really come through with the goods this year.
I've got to tell you