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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now, we did ask Marian Scrimdawer on the show this
morning to talk about the issues that we've got in
the Northern Territory when it comes to domestic violence. But
as we've just told you about, yesterday afternoon at two
point thirty, two teenagers entered a home in Alice Springs
allegedly armed with weapons. A woman inside with her two
month old baby, were four children, as I understand it,
(00:22):
and then one of these teens allegedly struck the woman
with a blunt weapon, hitting her newborn baby. Now that
little bub has had to be transported A good morning to.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
You, Marian, Good morning, Cadie.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Marian, I am, I am. I actually feel quite upset
when I think about this mum with her little baby
inside her own home and her other children and two
people breaking in, not only taking aim at her, but
striking her newborn baby with a blunt weapon. That little
(00:57):
Bubbs had to be transported to Adelaide. It's beyond appalling.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
It's disgusting, Katie, and no one should think, no one
should think that that's okay, because it's not. And for
a two month old baby to be hurt like they did,
those young people there has to be consequences, and this
is you know, I think, and I know that the
(01:24):
I talked to Josh Berglin this morning and I talked
to Josh and I said it the rally the other day.
This has to be beyond DLP ALP. We've got to
take the politics out of all of this, Katie. We've
got to we've got to work together to deal with
(01:46):
the issues. I'm in Catherine at the moment because Catherine's
got the same issues. And I've got a discussion this
afternoon with some of my federal colleagues. I've spoken to
Melander and the Cartage this morning. I said, ma'am, we've
got to draw a line in the sand here. We
can't accept that these young people think that it's okay
(02:06):
to go, you know, to do a home invasion. And
it's what I said the other day. Case non Aboriginal women,
whether it's older women, whether it's old senior people in
the community, whether it's a young mum like we saw yesterday,
they are being targeted and there's a lot of home invasions.
(02:28):
And I've said to the Commissioner and I've said to
the police, this isn't about alcohol. The community of Alice
Springs is a wash with ice and mes anttamine and
there is a real crisis happening. And I think it
and when I talk to people here in Catherine and
I came down yesterday, Lank Council leaders today, but as
(02:51):
Aboriginal people, we've got to say it's not just about
saying enough enough. We're going to actually do some action here.
You know, it is not good enough and words, we've
got to get beyond it. You know. I won't say
the words that I was saying last night when I
was talking to people in Alice Springs about what happened
to that little one case, but it is, you know,
(03:15):
none of us should accept or make excuses that it
was okay for those young people to do what they did.
And I think there has to be consequences and we've
got to deal with this and let's stop making excuses
for this. You know, Like I say to to the court,
I was told that one of those young people. Now
(03:37):
I just heard this third hand from someone I was
talking to last night. People said that that young person
had an ankle bracelet, Katie. So that means that that
young person was part of the correctional system. So it's
not just about plates. Where's the correction system? You know,
and I know that Bill Yan, he's a goode and
(04:00):
been part of that system. You know, we all need
to get together. So I said to Josh this morning,
you're going in to meet with the Commissioner and Leir
and rest of your ministerial colleague. I said, let them
know I will stand side by side with you and
give you what and fight to get whatever federal resources
(04:22):
are needed to try and deal with this issue. Not
just analysis. I said, We've got this issue right throughout
the territory. Let's be honest, you know, like governments have
got to stop denying that it's just about legislation, I said,
We've got to do other things that stop. See, I said,
because the courts are also backing up. So you know,
(04:46):
like let's all get together with the policy maker. You know,
like this is urgent. So I'm going to form something
in Alice Brains, try and get together and have two
co chairs Katie, because we've got to talk about this.
We've got to confront it, and we've got to be
honest about it, and both governments need to resource the
(05:06):
community to deal with it, you know, to work through.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
It well, Marion, like to me, you know, we've got
a situation where it is not safe for police in
Alice Springs. Earlier in the week, we had a police
officer driven at by I believe you's in a vehicle
while he was trying to lay out tied deflation devices.
We had a woman raped allegedly while she slept in
(05:30):
her home. Now we've got an eight week old baby
with serious head injuries. I mean, like realistick Lee, do
we actually need the federal police or the defense force,
to somebody to support us for even just a few
weeks to get things under control. Because I'll say it, Marian,
this is absolute bullshit. We've lost control.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Look, I think it's bullshit too, Katie, and I'll be
making that view. And I said that to Josh, I said,
you need to let the commissioner knows that he needs
to call on. So what usually happens is that the
commissioner is the controller here, so he needs to swallow
(06:13):
his pride and he needs to call on the federal
government to whether it's a defense force or whether it's
other resources. But we need the police Commissioner to do that, CDI,
because it is a crisis when I you know, I've
lost counters the number of non Aboriginal women I've spoken
to Analys who've made alice their homes, who are in
(06:36):
fear of their life. I said to the Anti News
this morning, Caddy, I'm scared. I'm scared to be in
my home anly Spring. And you know, like women are
you know, I talk to Donna ARCHI are talked to
a number women are feeling really scared. Senior people are
feeling really scared. And it's no different here in Catherine.
(06:59):
So we have lost you know, the Northern Territory is
in crisis, and I think the Northern Territory government has
to work with the federal government and we need to
do whatever it takes to deal with this. And it's
got to go beyond politics, Katie. I keep saying to people,
(07:20):
you know, I was a bit flawed yesterday when I
heard that stuff. And then you know, someone wanted to
interview me about you know, Peter Dutton saying he won't
stand behind the Aboriginal flag, and I thought, you know,
that's just a smoke, you know, like why are we
talking about this? You know, the flag's not the issue
(07:41):
an that the issue is we haven't out of control
to deal with it, and both we should be coming
up with salute. You know, the coaummunity wants leadership, and
we've got to be able to show that leadership and
work together so that people can feel safe. Like let's
make Darwin the place that we all grew up in.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, you know, and look, you and I have known
each other for a long time, and I feel, you know,
I feel really appalled by what's going on, and I like,
I I'm really sick of people making excuses for the
young people that are now committing horrendous crimes. And and
I think to myself, you know, we if we keep
(08:21):
making excuses for people when they're you know, engaging in
this kind of behavior, how are we ever going to
see any change?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
We're not, Katie, And what we're seeing is the result
of you know, where we make excuses. And you know,
and I think we've got to We've got a line
in the sand has to be drawn. And you know,
our mom and you know, I've said to people if
it means I get criticized or what, you know, like
(08:53):
I think that we're just going to draw a line
in the sand, because you know, I when I got told,
you know that this little baby got hers. You know,
it made me cry. I came. I thought, you know,
what is this when a mother with her kids are
in her home and you know, home invasion happened and
(09:16):
a little one who is doing no harm to anyone
gets hurt like that, you know, like we can't accept that. No,
you know, like and we shouldn't accept that. And I'm
just as angry as you. It just it just makes
me sick and so I and that's why I spoke
to Josh Bergoin again this morning because they're going into
(09:39):
executive camp, you know, it happening. And I said to him, Josh,
you've got to implore on your chief minister and your
minister that we all need to work together. Yep, and
let's stop this. You know, well there was ten years
of labor, or there was twenty six years of seal.
I said, let's forget. You know, people don't want that
crap anymore. Yep. People want us to put action on
(10:01):
the table.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
And so Marian from them, that is definitely, you know,
that's what they need to do. From your side of things,
I mean, I know you said it's the police commissioner
that realistically needs to look at calling in the AFP,
if you know, if we're able to get additional resources.
I mean when you talk about the scourge of ice
though and amphetamines, surely that is a trigger point for
(10:23):
them calling in some assistance from the AFP. I mean,
if this is more than an alcohol issue, if this
is a drug issue, we need some serious help.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
See a great And I spoke earlier this morning, well
but you know, like it's just it just breaks your
heart with what's happening. And I said to it, you know,
like having just left jealous Spring is coming to Catherine
because I know that Catherine needs some help. So does
Tenant Katie. So you know, I've trying to get through
all these towns and things, and I've said to the
federal government, I'm tired. I'm only one person, you know, Melandarien,
(10:57):
we do need both governments, Fedment and the Northern Territory
government to all come together and to you know, do
whatever it takes to deal with this, because we can't
allow another little one or another woman to be hurt.
(11:20):
And you know that's it's time to draw that line now, Cardio.
You know there shouldn't be any excuses for this level
of behavior. And I said to someone this morning, when
you see these young men and they're sixteen and seventeen
in Aboriginal society, and this is where the court everyone
needs to recognize. Aboriginal people don't look at those sixteen
(11:44):
seventeen year olds as little kids. They're seen as adults.
They're seen as young men. So there's consequences for that,
and so we need to deal with that and deal
with it properly and stop using whether it's cod culture,
whether it's you know that they've got cognitive deficits, you know,
(12:05):
like the there's got to be some consequences to this
bad behavior. And I think that the Northern Tersian, the
federal government, and our police forces need to look at
the level of methan beettermin because when I talk to
people here and Catherine, they say the same thing. It's
not you know, there's grog and the domestic and family
(12:26):
violence that comes from that. Everyone knows that. But at
mass this other underbelly, which is about drugs Kadian, that
needs to be you know, we've got to be honest
about that and call it out and talk about it.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
We have got to we have got to make sure
that something actually changes from this point Marin, it's you know,
I'm sick of talking about it. I'm sure you're sick
of talking about it, but I'm absolutely you know, I
might be sick of talking about it, but I can't
imagine how how frightening it is to be a woman,
you know, in some of these locations at this point
(13:05):
in time. I mean, I'm in Darwin and I second
guess where I'm running and I modify how I'm living
my life. So I can't imagine what it's like to
be in Alice Springs right now, or in Catherine when
you're thinking to yourself, Am I safe in my own home?
That's where it's gone way too far?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah. And look, I've got a high fence around the
house I live in in alex Katie, but I've put
a padlock on the gate, yep, because you know, after
that breaking. But and I was talking to I've been
talking to Ted Egan, you know, most days, and just
keeping in touch with him and a number of you know,
older people in that community, just to make sure that
(13:43):
there are you know, but there are women who are
telling me they don't sleep all night, Katie, you know,
they're up all night because any little sound and they
sit there and think, is it my turn tonight? You know,
like people shouldn't have to live like that.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
No, that's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
It's it's what we can't say as a society and
as an Aboriginal person, you know, I just say, look,
it's our mob doing this. The leadership has to stand up.
And I saw fantastic leadership the other day with the
men saying violence against our women is our problem. It's us.
(14:26):
We have to be the solution, not the problem, and
we have to own this. Well, I'm saying to Aboriginal
people throughout the territory, we've got to take back this
and we've got to own it, and we've got to
deal with our young people. And if we don't, then
the race, you know, it'll turn into racial water and
(14:49):
none of us want it.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
That's exactly right, and that's what I'm you know, that's
what I'm afraid of, to be honest with you. I
can see some of it happening already where people are
getting really really upset, you know, And that's not the
Northern territory that I've lived in for the last twenty years.
That's right, so we've got it.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
If I hear any more, please do I have the
conversation with my bedroom mob. Yep, but I've certainly put
my hand out to the CLP government who said let's
or we've got to deal with this. We can't play.
You know, it's not.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
About Thank you Marian for having a chat with us
this morning. We're about to catch up with Ted Egan.
Thank you again and we'll talk to you very soon.
Good on you, Thank you Bye.
Now, we did ask Marian Scrimdawer on the show this
morning to talk about the issues that we've got in
the Northern Territory when it comes to domestic violence. But
as we've just told you about, yesterday afternoon at two
point thirty, two teenagers entered a home in Alice Springs
allegedly armed with weapons. A woman inside with her two
month old baby, were four children, as I understand it,
(00:22):
and then one of these teens allegedly struck the woman
with a blunt weapon, hitting her newborn baby. Now that
little bub has had to be transported A good morning to.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
You, Marian, Good morning, Cadie.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Marian, I am, I am. I actually feel quite upset
when I think about this mum with her little baby
inside her own home and her other children and two
people breaking in, not only taking aim at her, but
striking her newborn baby with a blunt weapon. That little
(00:57):
Bubbs had to be transported to Adelaide. It's beyond appalling.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
It's disgusting, Katie, and no one should think, no one
should think that that's okay, because it's not. And for
a two month old baby to be hurt like they did,
those young people there has to be consequences, and this
is you know, I think, and I know that the
(01:24):
I talked to Josh Berglin this morning and I talked
to Josh and I said it the rally the other day.
This has to be beyond DLP ALP. We've got to
take the politics out of all of this, Katie. We've
got to we've got to work together to deal with
(01:46):
the issues. I'm in Catherine at the moment because Catherine's
got the same issues. And I've got a discussion this
afternoon with some of my federal colleagues. I've spoken to
Melander and the Cartage this morning. I said, ma'am, we've
got to draw a line in the sand here. We
can't accept that these young people think that it's okay
(02:06):
to go, you know, to do a home invasion. And
it's what I said the other day. Case non Aboriginal women,
whether it's older women, whether it's old senior people in
the community, whether it's a young mum like we saw yesterday,
they are being targeted and there's a lot of home invasions.
(02:28):
And I've said to the Commissioner and I've said to
the police, this isn't about alcohol. The community of Alice
Springs is a wash with ice and mes anttamine and
there is a real crisis happening. And I think it
and when I talk to people here in Catherine and
I came down yesterday, Lank Council leaders today, but as
(02:51):
Aboriginal people, we've got to say it's not just about
saying enough enough. We're going to actually do some action here.
You know, it is not good enough and words, we've
got to get beyond it. You know. I won't say
the words that I was saying last night when I
was talking to people in Alice Springs about what happened
to that little one case, but it is, you know,
(03:15):
none of us should accept or make excuses that it
was okay for those young people to do what they did.
And I think there has to be consequences and we've
got to deal with this and let's stop making excuses
for this. You know, Like I say to to the court,
I was told that one of those young people. Now
(03:37):
I just heard this third hand from someone I was
talking to last night. People said that that young person
had an ankle bracelet, Katie. So that means that that
young person was part of the correctional system. So it's
not just about plates. Where's the correction system? You know,
and I know that Bill Yan, he's a goode and
(04:00):
been part of that system. You know, we all need
to get together. So I said to Josh this morning,
you're going in to meet with the Commissioner and Leir
and rest of your ministerial colleague. I said, let them
know I will stand side by side with you and
give you what and fight to get whatever federal resources
(04:22):
are needed to try and deal with this issue. Not
just analysis. I said, We've got this issue right throughout
the territory. Let's be honest, you know, like governments have
got to stop denying that it's just about legislation, I said,
We've got to do other things that stop. See, I said,
because the courts are also backing up. So you know,
(04:46):
like let's all get together with the policy maker. You know,
like this is urgent. So I'm going to form something
in Alice Brains, try and get together and have two
co chairs Katie, because we've got to talk about this.
We've got to confront it, and we've got to be
honest about it, and both governments need to resource the
(05:06):
community to deal with it, you know, to work through.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
It well, Marion, like to me, you know, we've got
a situation where it is not safe for police in
Alice Springs. Earlier in the week, we had a police
officer driven at by I believe you's in a vehicle
while he was trying to lay out tied deflation devices.
We had a woman raped allegedly while she slept in
(05:30):
her home. Now we've got an eight week old baby
with serious head injuries. I mean, like realistick Lee, do
we actually need the federal police or the defense force,
to somebody to support us for even just a few
weeks to get things under control. Because I'll say it, Marian,
this is absolute bullshit. We've lost control.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Look, I think it's bullshit too, Katie, and I'll be
making that view. And I said that to Josh, I said,
you need to let the commissioner knows that he needs
to call on. So what usually happens is that the
commissioner is the controller here, so he needs to swallow
(06:13):
his pride and he needs to call on the federal
government to whether it's a defense force or whether it's
other resources. But we need the police Commissioner to do that, CDI,
because it is a crisis when I you know, I've
lost counters the number of non Aboriginal women I've spoken
to Analys who've made alice their homes, who are in
(06:36):
fear of their life. I said to the Anti News
this morning, Caddy, I'm scared. I'm scared to be in
my home anly Spring. And you know, like women are
you know, I talk to Donna ARCHI are talked to
a number women are feeling really scared. Senior people are
feeling really scared. And it's no different here in Catherine.
(06:59):
So we have lost you know, the Northern Territory is
in crisis, and I think the Northern Territory government has
to work with the federal government and we need to
do whatever it takes to deal with this. And it's
got to go beyond politics, Katie. I keep saying to people,
(07:20):
you know, I was a bit flawed yesterday when I
heard that stuff. And then you know, someone wanted to
interview me about you know, Peter Dutton saying he won't
stand behind the Aboriginal flag, and I thought, you know,
that's just a smoke, you know, like why are we
talking about this? You know, the flag's not the issue
(07:41):
an that the issue is we haven't out of control
to deal with it, and both we should be coming
up with salute. You know, the coaummunity wants leadership, and
we've got to be able to show that leadership and
work together so that people can feel safe. Like let's
make Darwin the place that we all grew up in.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, you know, and look, you and I have known
each other for a long time, and I feel, you know,
I feel really appalled by what's going on, and I like,
I I'm really sick of people making excuses for the
young people that are now committing horrendous crimes. And and
I think to myself, you know, we if we keep
(08:21):
making excuses for people when they're you know, engaging in
this kind of behavior, how are we ever going to
see any change?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
We're not, Katie, And what we're seeing is the result
of you know, where we make excuses. And you know,
and I think we've got to We've got a line
in the sand has to be drawn. And you know,
our mom and you know, I've said to people if
it means I get criticized or what, you know, like
(08:53):
I think that we're just going to draw a line
in the sand, because you know, I when I got told,
you know that this little baby got hers. You know,
it made me cry. I came. I thought, you know,
what is this when a mother with her kids are
in her home and you know, home invasion happened and
(09:16):
a little one who is doing no harm to anyone
gets hurt like that, you know, like we can't accept that. No,
you know, like and we shouldn't accept that. And I'm
just as angry as you. It just it just makes
me sick and so I and that's why I spoke
to Josh Bergoin again this morning because they're going into
(09:39):
executive camp, you know, it happening. And I said to him, Josh,
you've got to implore on your chief minister and your
minister that we all need to work together. Yep, and
let's stop this. You know, well there was ten years
of labor, or there was twenty six years of seal.
I said, let's forget. You know, people don't want that
crap anymore. Yep. People want us to put action on
(10:01):
the table.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
And so Marian from them, that is definitely, you know,
that's what they need to do. From your side of things,
I mean, I know you said it's the police commissioner
that realistically needs to look at calling in the AFP,
if you know, if we're able to get additional resources.
I mean when you talk about the scourge of ice
though and amphetamines, surely that is a trigger point for
(10:23):
them calling in some assistance from the AFP. I mean,
if this is more than an alcohol issue, if this
is a drug issue, we need some serious help.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
See a great And I spoke earlier this morning, well
but you know, like it's just it just breaks your
heart with what's happening. And I said to it, you know,
like having just left jealous Spring is coming to Catherine
because I know that Catherine needs some help. So does
Tenant Katie. So you know, I've trying to get through
all these towns and things, and I've said to the
federal government, I'm tired. I'm only one person, you know, Melandarien,
(10:57):
we do need both governments, Fedment and the Northern Territory
government to all come together and to you know, do
whatever it takes to deal with this, because we can't
allow another little one or another woman to be hurt.
(11:20):
And you know that's it's time to draw that line now, Cardio.
You know there shouldn't be any excuses for this level
of behavior. And I said to someone this morning, when
you see these young men and they're sixteen and seventeen
in Aboriginal society, and this is where the court everyone
needs to recognize. Aboriginal people don't look at those sixteen
(11:44):
seventeen year olds as little kids. They're seen as adults.
They're seen as young men. So there's consequences for that,
and so we need to deal with that and deal
with it properly and stop using whether it's cod culture,
whether it's you know that they've got cognitive deficits, you know,
(12:05):
like the there's got to be some consequences to this
bad behavior. And I think that the Northern Tersian, the
federal government, and our police forces need to look at
the level of methan beettermin because when I talk to
people here and Catherine, they say the same thing. It's
not you know, there's grog and the domestic and family
(12:26):
violence that comes from that. Everyone knows that. But at
mass this other underbelly, which is about drugs Kadian, that
needs to be you know, we've got to be honest
about that and call it out and talk about it.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
We have got to we have got to make sure
that something actually changes from this point Marin, it's you know,
I'm sick of talking about it. I'm sure you're sick
of talking about it, but I'm absolutely you know, I
might be sick of talking about it, but I can't
imagine how how frightening it is to be a woman,
you know, in some of these locations at this point
(13:05):
in time. I mean, I'm in Darwin and I second
guess where I'm running and I modify how I'm living
my life. So I can't imagine what it's like to
be in Alice Springs right now, or in Catherine when
you're thinking to yourself, Am I safe in my own home?
That's where it's gone way too far?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah. And look, I've got a high fence around the
house I live in in alex Katie, but I've put
a padlock on the gate, yep, because you know, after
that breaking. But and I was talking to I've been
talking to Ted Egan, you know, most days, and just
keeping in touch with him and a number of you know,
older people in that community, just to make sure that
(13:43):
there are you know, but there are women who are
telling me they don't sleep all night, Katie, you know,
they're up all night because any little sound and they
sit there and think, is it my turn tonight? You know,
like people shouldn't have to live like that.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
No, that's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
It's it's what we can't say as a society and
as an Aboriginal person, you know, I just say, look,
it's our mob doing this. The leadership has to stand up.
And I saw fantastic leadership the other day with the
men saying violence against our women is our problem. It's us.
(14:26):
We have to be the solution, not the problem, and
we have to own this. Well, I'm saying to Aboriginal
people throughout the territory, we've got to take back this
and we've got to own it, and we've got to
deal with our young people. And if we don't, then
the race, you know, it'll turn into racial water and
(14:49):
none of us want it.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
That's exactly right, and that's what I'm you know, that's
what I'm afraid of, to be honest with you. I
can see some of it happening already where people are
getting really really upset, you know, And that's not the
Northern territory that I've lived in for the last twenty years.
That's right, so we've got it.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
If I hear any more, please do I have the
conversation with my bedroom mob. Yep, but I've certainly put
my hand out to the CLP government who said let's
or we've got to deal with this. We can't play.
You know, it's not.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
About Thank you Marian for having a chat with us
this morning. We're about to catch up with Ted Egan.
Thank you again and we'll talk to you very soon.
Good on you, Thank you Bye.
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