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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Parliament is back in full swing in the Northern Territory,
in the first day of parliamentary sittings getting under way yesterday.
Now the government not wasting any time in terms of
passing legislation and introducing legislation aimed at getting projects moving
in the Northern Territory. But look, it was a massive
day Correctional staff were converging on Parliament to voice their
concerns about the changes to corrections which were announced late
(00:23):
last week. Now joining me in the studio is the
Independent Member for Johnson, Justine Davis. Good morning to you, Justine.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hey Katie, how are you going really well?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Thank you so much for taking the time to come
in this morning. I know it's a busy, busy morning,
so we'll try and get through it all. There's a
lot to cover, but very quickly. Now you asked questions
yesterday about domestic violence funding. It follows yet another tragic
death on the weekend in Alice Springs. We now know
that a thirty nine year old man has been charged
with murder. We also though yesterday you know I got
(00:54):
a press release that came through about a forty two
year old mail driver believed to be not own to
a victim of domestic violence, in which this situation in
Alice Springs at eight point fifteen in the morning, police
were receiving reports of a female holding on to the
bonnish of a white Holden commodore that was driving dangerously
(01:15):
through Lara Pinter. She's on the bonnish of the car. Well,
this is happening. It's horrifying, it's horrific. Justine, what answers
did you get when it came to that domestic violence funding.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yeah, And I just want to start off by saying,
as I think I've said every time I've been on
your show, that it's another tragedy. My thoughts go out
to the woman who was killed this week, to every
woman and child who is hurt, hurt, harm killed by
domestic found in sexual violence. And as you've said many times, it.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Can't go on. We need to do something about it.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I wanted I did ask the minister yesterday for an update,
and she said, thank you, this is the question I've
been waiting for. She didn't really answer my question, however,
what I do want to say, and I want to
congratulate the COLP for committing to ongoing funding for domestic
family and sexual violence services.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
This is a really great for people who work in
the sector.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
It means that they're actually going to be able to
get on and do their work and know that they're
going to be able to keep doing it, not just
focus on thinking where are they going to be sustained?
Are they going to continue to exist? So that's great news.
I also asked when are we going to see this money?
The minister said, I think on the twenty third of
January that the money would start to roll out.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
By the end of January, I.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Still haven't seen any money from the one hundred and
eighty million dollars that has been promised. Since August. It's
now February. I haven't seen any money to any frontline services.
So I'm still sitting with questions. I've got so many
messages after I asked that question in Parliament yesterday saying what.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Did she say?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
What money has been spent, what money has been committed.
I think all of us have to do whatever we
can around this issue. You know you've got a roll
in media. I've got a role in parliament. Part of
my role in Parliament is to hold the government to account,
to ask them questions on behalf of the people in
the community, the women and children who are suffering and
being harmed because of this, and say, well, what are
(03:14):
you actually doing about enough talk justin.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I get a lot of messages on the show, you know,
a lot of people saying this money needs to roll out,
that needs to roll out sooner rather than later. Then
I get others going, Katie, you know all this money
is being invested into domestic violence and nothing is changing.
What is more money going to do? So? I mean, lok,
what do you say to the people that are of
that view?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yeah, well, I want to know a bit more about
what they're actually talking about when they say that.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I want to know a bit of detail.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
I mean, I know, and you probably know if you've
talked to any of the frontline services and you see
where that money is going, it actually is going directly
to help women and children to keep them safe. But
we know we need much more investment. We know we
need to work with perpetrators, we know we need to
we need to stop domestic violence before it happens. I
think when people say, I think also we need transparency.
(04:04):
It's good questions to ask how's this money being spent,
what's happening with it. People have a lot there's a
lot of misinformation about domestic violence funding. So for example,
people believe that if you invest more in domestic violence funding,
then often the stats will go up because more women
will report. It doesn't mean that there's more violence, It
(04:25):
just means that we know more about it. So I
think I applaud people for asking questions about it, but
they should be questions about what are we going to
do to fix this up, not questions to say nothing
to see here.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I had planned to talk a lot more about the
situation even from the weekend. There was a report in
the Australian newspaper yesterday about some of the history of
that domestic violence situation. I can't now that thirty nine
year old man has been charged, but I think it's
I think it's appropriate for me to say that in
(04:56):
a number of the domestic violence situations that we see
in the Northern Territory, often, and I'm not talking about
a particular case, but often perpetrators have actually had several
interactions with the Northern Territory police over an extended period
of time into that domestic violence. I mean, where do
(05:21):
you think that shows that we're being let down.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Well, I think we and women are being let down
at every level of the system. And this is no
criticism of police. I know they're doing the best job
they can. And we actually know that the majority of
our police time is already spent on domestic violence. The
majority of people in prison are there because of domestic
violence related defenses.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
So we know that people are doing what they can.
It's not enough.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
We need more resources, we need more training. Police say
all the time they need more training, they need more
resources to be dealing with this. It's not just a
police issue. It's a community, social, health, economic issue across
the board. So that's why we need proper investment and
proper rolling out of a.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Plan that is there. There's a plan that has been.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Developed by experts, by frontline workers to say this is
what we need to do and this will make a difference.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
That's what we should be implementing.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Justine, h will move along because there is so much
for us to discuss this morning, and you're limited for time,
as am I. There has been a number of announcements
made over the last week when it comes to corrections. Now,
yesterday we saw about fifty correctional stuff protest at Parliament House.
We know that there are plans to privatize part of
the workforce. You asked some questions about this yesterday. We'd
(06:38):
spoken to the union about this on the show as well.
Erinor early had suggested that Stringy Bark that facility should
come back online and that would help to alleviate some
of our issues. You actually asked this of the Corrections
Minister yesterday.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I did yes, yes, and he answered what I'd been
told was that to get that ready operational, could have
it could be online very quickly. It would cost hundred
a million dollars to get it to get it online,
which involves some fencing and security work. And you know,
if we were using that now with there's this total
(07:13):
crisis in our watchhouses. I don't know if you've talked
about on this show, but the conditions in watchhouses abysmal.
People are in have have have lights on twenty four
hours a day, they have showers maybe once every three days.
There's up to eighteen people in a cell like it's.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Not They're all a crowded.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
They're not meant to be used.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
They're not meant to be use.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
It's not what we should be seeing anywhere, and it's
certainly not what we should be seeing in this country anyway.
All those people could that problem could be solved by
using stringing bag. So I asked him in the state
of that question. He said that it would cost six
million dollars to do that.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Six million.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I'm curious about that.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I've gone back to the people who told me the figure,
which I think is the same figure that maybe yesterday's
time said it'd be good to get a bit more
information on this, actually, what is the truth, what would
it cost and why aren't we doing it?
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Well, look, we're going to try and I think we've
got him on the show for tomorrow morning as well,
so we'll try and get to the bottom of that too.
But if you get any info throughout the day, let
us know. Yesterday as well, there was so much that
went on yesterday the government and now it's the Lobbyist Register. Now,
this register is going to ensure all third party lobbyists
are registered. Lobbyists on the register are going to need
(08:26):
to make it clear to ministers at the time of
seeking meetings. When they are engaging with ministers, lobbyists on
that register need to be clear who their client is
and who they're lobbying on behalf of Do you think.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
It goes far enough? No?
Speaker 3 (08:43):
In a word, I mean I think it's once again,
this is a great thing. It's great that the colp
have brought in a lobbyist register, but it's really the
bare minimum. So as you said, you just sort of
outlined who would be included in the lobbyist register. So
it exempts major lobbyists from register, so that includes big
gas companies, includes other big corporate firms.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Because unions as well as and includes.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Unions, that's right.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
The other thing that's missing from this, which is in
lots of other jurisdictions, is open ministerial diaries. So what
that means is that we're not going to know as
the public who ministers are actually meeting with, and that's
really important in terms of accountability and transparency so that
we can see what conversations are happening. The idea of
a lobbyist register, as we bring things from behind closed
(09:30):
doors and into the public space, this won't do that.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah, look, I don't have a big problem with you know,
with those open ministerial diaries as well, because I sort
of think to myself, all work that you're doing should
actually be for the people that you're representing. And I'm
really big on that open and openness and transparency. So
we'll wait and see. It doesn't sound as though they're
looking to add that to the lobbyist register.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
We'll be debating it today, so we will. Well, yeah,
there's a motion on the floor this afternoon, so we'll
be debating that and exploring what might be possible there.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
We'll see what happens there.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
One of the other things that's happened is the government
yesterday announced that it would be cutting funding to the
Environment Center and the Arid Lands Environment Center. The minister
said that it would not spend another dollar on activists
and economic vandals. What do you make of this moves?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I hope the irony doesn't escape anyone.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
And on the same day that the government's announcing a
lobbyist register and saying it's committed to accountability, that it's
defunding two organizations that have existed for decades in the
Northern Territory as a civil society organization whose sole interest
is to protect the environment for all of us.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I just yeah, some people listening might be thinking to themselves, well,
why do they need taxpayer funds to be able to
do that?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yeah, Well, as a taxpayer, I'm very happy for the
bank for my back that I get from the work
that both ALEC, the arid Lands Environment Center and Environment
Center up here have done and are doing over decades.
As I said, things that we just would not know
about as punters if they didn't bring it to our attention,
(11:11):
advice that they give to government so government can then
make better decisions, and also in the scheme of things,
it's a pretty small amount of money, So I mean,
I don't think the Environment Center is going anywhere. It's
going to continue, but I absolutely think that that is
something that our government should be continuing to support.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Now we are going to have to get ready to
wrap up. But I know that one of the really
big things that's been on your agenda since you were
elected is moving along the voluntary assisted dying legislation and
making sure that that does come to Parliament. That's something
that we do get contacted about. I know it's something
that you've had plenty of people contact you about. We've
(11:48):
had a whole raft of work done in this space.
We're next for this.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, you're right, it's a very big issue for the community.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
And as everyone knows, we were the first place in
Australia to have voluntary sister dying, where now the only
place in Australia does not have it. There's a motion
I've given notice of emotion to Parliament that we implement
the recommendations of a report that was done last year.
The way Parliament works is that when you put up
a motion, it goes on a list and we.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Go through the list until we get to it.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
So it probably will come up potentially in the next
sitting of Parliament. What I really encourage anyone here who
this is an issue, it's important to them. The COLP,
the Chief Minister said in Parliament last year this issue
is not a priority for us. We know that we're
our current parliament. There's a seventeen set majority of the COLP,
(12:41):
which means that they can and they will do whatever
they want to do. We've seen that over and over again.
They've pushed through bills on urgency without time for debate
or consideration and if there's something they think is not important,
they'll just say we're not going to look at it.
So if people do think this is important, if this
is important to you. Please let the COLP know, let
them know that this is something that really matters to you.
(13:03):
There are a lot of things they say our urgent.
As Maureen in my office, one of my constituents said
to me the other day, how much more urgent can
you get than something like this.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Well, we're going to catch up with Sue Shira from
the Counsel of the Aging in a couple of minutes,
so we're talking to her about another topic, but I'll
certainly ask her about this as well, because i know
it's something she's raised with us previously. Justine, I always
appreciate your time. Thanks so much for taking the time
to come in this morning when you've got to get
to Parliament as well. So I'll let you go.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Thanks you, Katie, I have a great day.
Parliament is back in full swing in the Northern Territory,
in the first day of parliamentary sittings getting under way yesterday.
Now the government not wasting any time in terms of
passing legislation and introducing legislation aimed at getting projects moving
in the Northern Territory. But look, it was a massive
day Correctional staff were converging on Parliament to voice their
concerns about the changes to corrections which were announced late
(00:23):
last week. Now joining me in the studio is the
Independent Member for Johnson, Justine Davis. Good morning to you, Justine.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hey Katie, how are you going really well?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Thank you so much for taking the time to come
in this morning. I know it's a busy, busy morning,
so we'll try and get through it all. There's a
lot to cover, but very quickly. Now you asked questions
yesterday about domestic violence funding. It follows yet another tragic
death on the weekend in Alice Springs. We now know
that a thirty nine year old man has been charged
with murder. We also though yesterday you know I got
(00:54):
a press release that came through about a forty two
year old mail driver believed to be not own to
a victim of domestic violence, in which this situation in
Alice Springs at eight point fifteen in the morning, police
were receiving reports of a female holding on to the
bonnish of a white Holden commodore that was driving dangerously
(01:15):
through Lara Pinter. She's on the bonnish of the car. Well,
this is happening. It's horrifying, it's horrific. Justine, what answers
did you get when it came to that domestic violence funding.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yeah, And I just want to start off by saying,
as I think I've said every time I've been on
your show, that it's another tragedy. My thoughts go out
to the woman who was killed this week, to every
woman and child who is hurt, hurt, harm killed by
domestic found in sexual violence. And as you've said many times, it.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Can't go on. We need to do something about it.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I wanted I did ask the minister yesterday for an update,
and she said, thank you, this is the question I've
been waiting for. She didn't really answer my question, however,
what I do want to say, and I want to
congratulate the COLP for committing to ongoing funding for domestic
family and sexual violence services.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
This is a really great for people who work in
the sector.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
It means that they're actually going to be able to
get on and do their work and know that they're
going to be able to keep doing it, not just
focus on thinking where are they going to be sustained?
Are they going to continue to exist? So that's great news.
I also asked when are we going to see this money?
The minister said, I think on the twenty third of
January that the money would start to roll out.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
By the end of January, I.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Still haven't seen any money from the one hundred and
eighty million dollars that has been promised. Since August. It's
now February. I haven't seen any money to any frontline services.
So I'm still sitting with questions. I've got so many
messages after I asked that question in Parliament yesterday saying what.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Did she say?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
What money has been spent, what money has been committed.
I think all of us have to do whatever we
can around this issue. You know you've got a roll
in media. I've got a role in parliament. Part of
my role in Parliament is to hold the government to account,
to ask them questions on behalf of the people in
the community, the women and children who are suffering and
being harmed because of this, and say, well, what are
(03:14):
you actually doing about enough talk justin.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I get a lot of messages on the show, you know,
a lot of people saying this money needs to roll out,
that needs to roll out sooner rather than later. Then
I get others going, Katie, you know all this money
is being invested into domestic violence and nothing is changing.
What is more money going to do? So? I mean, lok,
what do you say to the people that are of
that view?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yeah, well, I want to know a bit more about
what they're actually talking about when they say that.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I want to know a bit of detail.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
I mean, I know, and you probably know if you've
talked to any of the frontline services and you see
where that money is going, it actually is going directly
to help women and children to keep them safe. But
we know we need much more investment. We know we
need to work with perpetrators, we know we need to
we need to stop domestic violence before it happens. I
think when people say, I think also we need transparency.
(04:04):
It's good questions to ask how's this money being spent,
what's happening with it. People have a lot there's a
lot of misinformation about domestic violence funding. So for example,
people believe that if you invest more in domestic violence funding,
then often the stats will go up because more women
will report. It doesn't mean that there's more violence, It
(04:25):
just means that we know more about it. So I
think I applaud people for asking questions about it, but
they should be questions about what are we going to
do to fix this up, not questions to say nothing
to see here.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I had planned to talk a lot more about the
situation even from the weekend. There was a report in
the Australian newspaper yesterday about some of the history of
that domestic violence situation. I can't now that thirty nine
year old man has been charged, but I think it's
I think it's appropriate for me to say that in
(04:56):
a number of the domestic violence situations that we see
in the Northern Territory, often, and I'm not talking about
a particular case, but often perpetrators have actually had several
interactions with the Northern Territory police over an extended period
of time into that domestic violence. I mean, where do
(05:21):
you think that shows that we're being let down.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Well, I think we and women are being let down
at every level of the system. And this is no
criticism of police. I know they're doing the best job
they can. And we actually know that the majority of
our police time is already spent on domestic violence. The
majority of people in prison are there because of domestic
violence related defenses.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
So we know that people are doing what they can.
It's not enough.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
We need more resources, we need more training. Police say
all the time they need more training, they need more
resources to be dealing with this. It's not just a
police issue. It's a community, social, health, economic issue across
the board. So that's why we need proper investment and
proper rolling out of a.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Plan that is there. There's a plan that has been.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Developed by experts, by frontline workers to say this is
what we need to do and this will make a difference.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
That's what we should be implementing.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Justine, h will move along because there is so much
for us to discuss this morning, and you're limited for time,
as am I. There has been a number of announcements
made over the last week when it comes to corrections. Now,
yesterday we saw about fifty correctional stuff protest at Parliament House.
We know that there are plans to privatize part of
the workforce. You asked some questions about this yesterday. We'd
(06:38):
spoken to the union about this on the show as well.
Erinor early had suggested that Stringy Bark that facility should
come back online and that would help to alleviate some
of our issues. You actually asked this of the Corrections
Minister yesterday.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I did yes, yes, and he answered what I'd been
told was that to get that ready operational, could have
it could be online very quickly. It would cost hundred
a million dollars to get it to get it online,
which involves some fencing and security work. And you know,
if we were using that now with there's this total
(07:13):
crisis in our watchhouses. I don't know if you've talked
about on this show, but the conditions in watchhouses abysmal.
People are in have have have lights on twenty four
hours a day, they have showers maybe once every three days.
There's up to eighteen people in a cell like it's.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Not They're all a crowded.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
They're not meant to be used.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
They're not meant to be use.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
It's not what we should be seeing anywhere, and it's
certainly not what we should be seeing in this country anyway.
All those people could that problem could be solved by
using stringing bag. So I asked him in the state
of that question. He said that it would cost six
million dollars to do that.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Six million.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I'm curious about that.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I've gone back to the people who told me the figure,
which I think is the same figure that maybe yesterday's
time said it'd be good to get a bit more
information on this, actually, what is the truth, what would
it cost and why aren't we doing it?
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Well, look, we're going to try and I think we've
got him on the show for tomorrow morning as well,
so we'll try and get to the bottom of that too.
But if you get any info throughout the day, let
us know. Yesterday as well, there was so much that
went on yesterday the government and now it's the Lobbyist Register. Now,
this register is going to ensure all third party lobbyists
are registered. Lobbyists on the register are going to need
(08:26):
to make it clear to ministers at the time of
seeking meetings. When they are engaging with ministers, lobbyists on
that register need to be clear who their client is
and who they're lobbying on behalf of Do you think.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
It goes far enough? No?
Speaker 3 (08:43):
In a word, I mean I think it's once again,
this is a great thing. It's great that the colp
have brought in a lobbyist register, but it's really the
bare minimum. So as you said, you just sort of
outlined who would be included in the lobbyist register. So
it exempts major lobbyists from register, so that includes big
gas companies, includes other big corporate firms.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Because unions as well as and includes.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Unions, that's right.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
The other thing that's missing from this, which is in
lots of other jurisdictions, is open ministerial diaries. So what
that means is that we're not going to know as
the public who ministers are actually meeting with, and that's
really important in terms of accountability and transparency so that
we can see what conversations are happening. The idea of
a lobbyist register, as we bring things from behind closed
(09:30):
doors and into the public space, this won't do that.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah, look, I don't have a big problem with you know,
with those open ministerial diaries as well, because I sort
of think to myself, all work that you're doing should
actually be for the people that you're representing. And I'm
really big on that open and openness and transparency. So
we'll wait and see. It doesn't sound as though they're
looking to add that to the lobbyist register.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
We'll be debating it today, so we will. Well, yeah,
there's a motion on the floor this afternoon, so we'll
be debating that and exploring what might be possible there.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
We'll see what happens there.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
One of the other things that's happened is the government
yesterday announced that it would be cutting funding to the
Environment Center and the Arid Lands Environment Center. The minister
said that it would not spend another dollar on activists
and economic vandals. What do you make of this moves?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I hope the irony doesn't escape anyone.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
And on the same day that the government's announcing a
lobbyist register and saying it's committed to accountability, that it's
defunding two organizations that have existed for decades in the
Northern Territory as a civil society organization whose sole interest
is to protect the environment for all of us.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I just yeah, some people listening might be thinking to themselves, well,
why do they need taxpayer funds to be able to
do that?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yeah, Well, as a taxpayer, I'm very happy for the
bank for my back that I get from the work
that both ALEC, the arid Lands Environment Center and Environment
Center up here have done and are doing over decades.
As I said, things that we just would not know
about as punters if they didn't bring it to our attention,
(11:11):
advice that they give to government so government can then
make better decisions, and also in the scheme of things,
it's a pretty small amount of money, So I mean,
I don't think the Environment Center is going anywhere. It's
going to continue, but I absolutely think that that is
something that our government should be continuing to support.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Now we are going to have to get ready to
wrap up. But I know that one of the really
big things that's been on your agenda since you were
elected is moving along the voluntary assisted dying legislation and
making sure that that does come to Parliament. That's something
that we do get contacted about. I know it's something
that you've had plenty of people contact you about. We've
(11:48):
had a whole raft of work done in this space.
We're next for this.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, you're right, it's a very big issue for the community.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
And as everyone knows, we were the first place in
Australia to have voluntary sister dying, where now the only
place in Australia does not have it. There's a motion
I've given notice of emotion to Parliament that we implement
the recommendations of a report that was done last year.
The way Parliament works is that when you put up
a motion, it goes on a list and we.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Go through the list until we get to it.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
So it probably will come up potentially in the next
sitting of Parliament. What I really encourage anyone here who
this is an issue, it's important to them. The COLP,
the Chief Minister said in Parliament last year this issue
is not a priority for us. We know that we're
our current parliament. There's a seventeen set majority of the COLP,
(12:41):
which means that they can and they will do whatever
they want to do. We've seen that over and over again.
They've pushed through bills on urgency without time for debate
or consideration and if there's something they think is not important,
they'll just say we're not going to look at it.
So if people do think this is important, if this
is important to you. Please let the COLP know, let
them know that this is something that really matters to you.
(13:03):
There are a lot of things they say our urgent.
As Maureen in my office, one of my constituents said
to me the other day, how much more urgent can
you get than something like this.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Well, we're going to catch up with Sue Shira from
the Counsel of the Aging in a couple of minutes,
so we're talking to her about another topic, but I'll
certainly ask her about this as well, because i know
it's something she's raised with us previously. Justine, I always
appreciate your time. Thanks so much for taking the time
to come in this morning when you've got to get
to Parliament as well. So I'll let you go.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Thanks you, Katie, I have a great day.
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