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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, we learned overnight that a woman's died and a
man's been arrested in what police have described as a
suspicious death. Now, in a statement released overnight, the Northern
Territory Police Force say that they are investigating the circumstances
of the death of the thirty nine year old female
at Royal Dahin Hospital yesterday afternoon. At about nine am yesterday,

(00:21):
emergency services received reports of a seriously ill woman at
a residence in Humpty Doo. Saint John Ambulance attended and
conveyed the woman to Royal dah And Hospital in a
critical condition, where she later passed away. Now joining me
on the line is the Opposition leader Selena Rubo. Good
morning to you, Selena.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Good morning Kenny, and good morning to your listeners.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Now, Selena, at this stage we don't know what the
circumstances are surrounding the death of this thirty nine year
old woman. But I mean we continuously feel at the
moment like we're starting the show telling Territorians that another
woman has lost her life. Life.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah, Katie, I heard that devastating news this morning as well.
I think, like the rest of us, we're deeply in
shock and of course, my heart goes out to the
women's family and friends, and obviously we'll have to wait
and see a little bit more of what the details are.
But just devastating that we have another territory woman who
has died.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, and look, we will certainly keep our listeners up
to date with that detail as it comes to hand.
As I said, we really don't know anything more at
this point of time, and I don't want to speculate
on anything, so we might move along because some concerns
have been raised throughout last week and also this week.
We had quite a discussion about this with the Chief
Minister yesterday around the government well, some saying that they've

(01:44):
walked back on an election commitment to pay bonuses to
long serving police officers. So the association issuing a statement yesterday.
Now we know during the during the election, the COLP
opposition issued a pressure release stated August fourteen last year.
It stated that a ten thousand dollars bonus would be
given to those who dedicated ten years of service, fifteen

(02:05):
thousand for those who serve fifteen twenty thousand, for those
who celebrate twenty five, twenty and thirty year milestones, and
for all five year increments after that. Now, on the
show yesterday the Chief Minister confirmed the bonus would be
going ahead, but over a twelve month period, not five
years like the Association says it is meant to be.

(02:30):
What is your understanding of this and do you think
twelve months is enough when it comes to that retention
bonus and then a discussion should be on the table.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, Katie, we're following this very closely. Obviously, last week
we asked the question the Labor Opposition asked of the
Chief Minister who's also the Police Minister, lif Nokiaro, about
this retention bonus and would the commitment that was made
before the NT election be honored so police do get
those retention bonuses and now very clear five sets of

(03:00):
tears that were set out around which bonuses for attention
would be provided by the COLP government. We asked a
very straight out question of why these bonuses haven't already
started to roll out and would the bonuses be fully
committed by the Chief Minister Lifanociaro. She danced around that
question a fair bit in Parliament and we were quite

(03:22):
concerned and I know that and particularly on your show
last week, Katie, we were talking about it and asking
that question. And I think this really goes to what
people hate about politics here in the territory, and that's
when you make a promise and you break it, you're
basically lying to territory. And so I'm very interested to
see what the next step of the Chief Minister and

(03:44):
her government will be because it's very clear from the
nt Police Association yesterday in their media release that they
have it in black and white Katie, that they have
a commitment from the Chief Minister for a five year agreement.
And I think the words to the effect is to
say anything else is completely false. So we'll be following
it very closely because we know that police absolutely deserve

(04:06):
this bonus that was promised to them by the COLP
and if we only look at a twelve month one
then that's in disingenuous as well. If it's been committed
as a five year agreement. Yeah, I've got to.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Say I'm a bit confused by it all because she
did make the commitment yesterday that absolutely they are going
to get that retention bonus over that twelve month period.
She said she'd never committed to the five years. I've
gone back through the old press releases and everything, and
I can't see anywhere that it was a five year commitment,
but the Association is adamant that it was. Do you

(04:37):
think that it should be five years?

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Well, Katie, if the Chief Minister's made the commitment to
the NTPA that it's five years, it has to be
five years. And my understanding from following this, Katie, is
that the five year agreement would cover each officer that
would then be leading into one of those milestones. So
it's a great story for for our police to be

(05:01):
able to hit those milestones, to keep them in the force,
which we know they do an amazing job under very
tough circumstances, but to meet those milestones and be rewarded
for that amazing and very hard and difficult work in
the territory in keeping our communities safe. So even if
the Chief Minister Katie has made a verbal agreement to
the NTPA, she has to honor that agreement. The government

(05:23):
has to honor that agreement. That's why you have to
be really straight up and open about any agreements or
commitments or promises that you make to territorians. You can't
backpat or you can't back away from those commitments once
you're now in government, and that's what we're seeing the
Chief Minister do.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Well. Look, we are definitely going to continue to talk
about this. We'll catch up with the Police Association this
morning after ten o'clock. Opposition Leader, we know the Corrections
legislation passed through Parliament last week. The changes enable the
engagement of experienced interstate corrections officers as well as qualified
external correctional service provider. Did you vote for this legislation

(06:02):
to pass last week in parliament, Katie?

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Our Labor opposition voted against this legislation because we've seen
what the calls are from our corrections officers. You know,
we've spoken about this, Katie. We had over forty corrections
officers visit Parliament. They weren't being spoken to, They weren't
being heard by the Corrections Minister Jared. Mainly, they weren't

(06:26):
being heard by the Sealpea government. They actually went to
Parliament in their time, in their own time, to try
and get a meeting and voice their concerns about this
very legislation and the Sealpeak government passed it on urgency
without meeting with those offers, without giving them the time
of day, and they have ideas, they have concerns, they
have things that they want to see in the justice

(06:47):
system so that they can do their job in a
professional way, and they're just being ignored. So when the
very piece of legislation or law Katie that affects a
particular profession or group of people in the territory are
not heard straight out, then that's a huge concern. We
should all be concerned if the COLP is not meeting
with the very people those public servants, as an example,

(07:08):
the correction staff who the legislation directly affects.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yesterday, the Corrections Commissioner joins me on the show. He
said there had to be a full lockdown on Saturday
due to staffing numbers. The worry here is that we
do not have enough staff. And I certainly hear the
concerns of those correction stuff I've had a large number
of them contact me here at the station and voice

(07:33):
those safety concerns with what they've described as external security
coming in to assist. But we've got a real issue
here at the moment. I mean, we've got five hundred
extra prisoners in the jails and we need staff. So
wouldn't you vote to surge that workforce.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Katie, one of the concerns we've heard directly from our
correction staff is that there's going to be incidents. There
could be injuries at the workplace or worse, if there's
untrained officers who are taking on some of the duties
that highly trained correction staff are prepared for in that
high risk environment. So that's a huge risk to not

(08:12):
just those staff, those people who work around the staff
in the ancillary services like the medics, like the doctors
and nurses, like people organizations who go into service the
correction system, like the legal services, etc. So there is
a call around the huge risk of having untrained staff
then provide services that officers are trained for. I think

(08:36):
it's four months, Katie. I think it's twenty weeks of
training to become a corrections officer and then you become
a probational corrections officer and then get further training and
support in that profession. It is a profession. We need
to respect that. But that's really what the concerns are
around the safety to the staff. And you know, these
are our mums and dads, our family members in our

(08:57):
community who are doing this really tough and under job Katie,
and there'd be literally frightened for the safety in their
workplace if this then becomes a reality.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
The concern I guess that the Commissioner has gotten certainly
after speaking to him yesterday. You know, we had heard
that different programs, different rehabilitation programs for example, aren't able
to happen at the moment because they just don't have
the staff to be able to deliver those programs. So
what would the alternative be if we don't surge the workforce.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Well, the clear thing is Katie. Before the territory election,
Leifanocchio said she had a plan for corrections, her team
had a clear plan for corrections. Once the election happened,
we asked, what is that plan? There was no plan
presented for many many months, and then finally a plan
popped out of the of the works after some pressure.

(09:46):
The plan is not well thought out. There was already
some huge pressure on our correction system at the end
of last year with some of those urgent changes around
laws around community safety, which yes, the CLP said they
would do and they did it. But the planning and
the impact downstream, we call it, Katie, the impact downstream.

(10:07):
Now with those extra prisoners has put a huge load
on our correction stuff and that's now coming to fruition
that the plan was not well thought out. It was
ill thought It was not done in a manner that
you would think a government should do and being well
thought out and planned around.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Do you acknowledge, though Opposition leader, that you guys didn't
have a plan at all?

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Katie. We had a plan and it was cough. Was
that just plan?

Speaker 1 (10:34):
It actually seemed like the plan was just to let
people continue to break the law and leave them on
the streets because then you didn't have to worry about
the jail being.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Full, Katie. The plan was costed and provided well ahead
of the territory election. We did not see that from
the colp And look where the position we're in now
with correction.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
I guess you know from the tech sign this morning.
There's a lot of people sort of messaging going. The
opposition doesn't have a huge amount of credibility in.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
This space, Katie. Corrections and justice is an ongoing issue
in the territory. If it was easy to fix, it
would have been fixed years ago. There has to be
ongoing investment and progress in the correction space as well
as that hard punity measure which the CLP have brought in.
There also has to be processes of getting people out

(11:22):
of the justice system facing the consequence first and foremost.
But how do you make sure that people don't interface
with the justice system and actually contribute in a positive
way to our community. And that's one thing that the
CLP is missing, A key area the CLP is missing,
and we're only going to ever see, unfortunately, our corrections
system trying to keep their head above water if a

(11:45):
plan is not put in place that actually provides alternatives
in justice as well as seeing that punitive measure, We're
only seeing the punity measure, and we'll only ever see
our correction system swamped.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
All right, Oppositionly the last time you and I se
you'd raise some concerns about the solar feed in tariff.
It is an issue which keeps being raised by listeners
to this shows they are worried about the peak times.
What are territorians saying to you?

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, Katie, this was brought to my attention straight after
the election. Actually when we became the opposition that we
know the CLP promised that peak feed in time. This
is a huge platform that they campaigned on prior to
the NT election and the peak times Katie. I think
most listeners aware were six am to six pm that
was promised by the CLP to get that the double

(12:36):
the feed in tariff for the solar battery for the
solar energy. And now what Territorians are hearing is a
downgraded three pm to nine pm. Obviously some of that
time goes into the nighttime, Katie. So the CLP has
clearly broken a promise to Territorians. We know some people
actually voted on this one key issue. They felt let

(12:56):
down when Labor made the changes formally in government. They
had the hope that the CLP would make the feed
in tariff double, which is what they promised in their election,
and then they completely lied to territoriums in providing a
very very small version of what they promised prior to
the election. So people have given their vote. People have

(13:18):
expected that the CLP is going to implement what they
promised to Territorians and they've seen the complete opposite.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
So where too from now with this? Because when we
asked the Chief Minister about it yesterday, she said that
those peak periods are set by power and water. So
I guess as an opposition, what will you guys be
doing to try and you know, to try and represent
Territorians on this issue that they are pretty concerned with.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Well, Katie, it goes to the point that you know,
when even when you're in opposition, you have to make
sure that you are being genuine in your promises and
commitments to territorians. We've heard from the return from the
police around the retention bonus backslip. We're now seeing the
backflip on the double the oll In feeder tariff during
the peak times by the COLP. You can't just go

(14:04):
around promising things when you're in opposition and they're not delivering.
When you're in government. People have voted, people have put
their trust in the CLP to fulfill those commitments, to
feel those promises, and now they're seeing are those broken
promises and commitments Katie. And we're only six months into
the government. So are we going to see this continually
for the next four years? And territories are going to

(14:24):
be fuming if they keep seeing one thing, at being
heard one thing and then seeing the absolute opposite.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
Katie Selena a quick one. We got a message yesterday
from Steve he was wondering where is Chancey Paik have
they Has he been sidelined as we head into the
federal election.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Oh no, Chancey paiks front and center. We've got our
four members in opposition and he was very vocal in
the parliament. I know not a lot of people do
watch parliament, Katie. It's I call it a bit of
a bubble. You know, you might see a five or
ten second grab on the news or read a one
line in the in the articles online that reporting on Parliament,

(15:02):
but Chancey's their front and center. He lives in Alice
Springs so probably won't see him in dawn as much.
But our team is out and about across the territory
and particularly in our shadow portfolios.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
So he hasn't been sidelined.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
No, absolutely not, Katie. I mean if you watch parlom,
he's sitting right there behind me and getting up and
speaking when we have some very key issues which we
spoke about last week in parliament.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Selena, Before I let you go, how are things going
in Catherine. We're going to catch up with the local
member Joe Hersey in a moment, but how are things
going in terms of that minor flood warning in place.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, we're get to get their bit of rain almost
sort of afternoon and evenings, Katie, which is lovely bit
of respite in the weather. But we're always sort of
nervously watching to see is this year going to be
the year that Catherine floods, So keeping a very close
eye on that. I know a lot of the communities
in my electravanland just east to Catherine are getting a
lot of rain with rivers and creeks crossings that have

(15:57):
been flooded. A lot of people can't access their communities
because we don't have bitument roads everywhere or river crossings everywhere.
So you know, that's where infrastructure investment so important, not
just in our urban areas, but out in the bush
as well. But we're very keeping a close eye on
what may look like a very late wet Yeah, we.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Are certainly all keeping a close eye on things. Selena Rubo.
Always good to catch up with you. Thanks so much
for your time this morning.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Thank you, Katie, Thanks for your listeners.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Thank you
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