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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now we know the latest crime statistics. They were released
on Friday, with the number of adults on bail dropping
by five percent from one thousand, eight hundred and ninety
eight on January six to one thousand, eight hundred and
seven on the tenth of March. During the same period,
the number of adults on remand has increased by eighteen percent,
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from one thy one hundred and thirty six to one thousand,
three hundred and thirty eight. Now, the Chief Minister, Lea Finocchiaro,
said the figures highlighted the effectiveness of the government's commitment
to tackling crime head on. Now, I said this a
little earlier. In my experience, it can be a bit
of a dicey game using stats to highlight the effectiveness
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of legislation. But I know that the Chief Minister has
said the effect of Decklan's law and its impact has
been immediate. And she joins me in the studio, Good
morning to you, Chief Minister.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Good morning Katie and tier listeners.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Now, Chief Minister, what do you think that these statistics
have shown.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yeah, look, you're right, it's really hard visited and that's
why we've always been really clear the measure of successes
when people feel safe. But it was really important for
us to highlight this early data because it shows, with
the right laws and the right support for our police,
that we can actually make a difference in this space.
And I say that because so many of your listeners
would have just lost hope on this topic, to be honest,
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after the horrendous decade we've had. So Declan's Law is
going really, really well. And for these stats to come
out virtually on the second anniversary of Declan's death, I
just felt so proud to have been able to deliver
this for Samara and for Declan and so and for
the community. At the end of the day, it's the
community who benefits from it. And so it is early days,
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but we're seeing it moving in the right direction, and
we'll just keep going back into Parliament strengthening the laws
until we get it right.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I mean, Chief Minister, you would have heard me reading
my opener just a short time ago. You know, those
numbers do sound as so the good. Unfortunately, on the weekend,
I mean, a couple of pretty horrendous incidents out of
Central Australia. One of those the domestic violence LOOK related
incident by the Look of things, a twenty four year
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old female being strangled and punched while she was in
a car at a set of traffic lights. Than we
also had a situation we're a nineteen year old female
sexually assaulted while in the bathroom of a fast food restaurant.
I mean, first off, that makes it makes me really angry,
and then it makes my skin crawl. There's all the
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different feelings that I feel reading those out, I mean,
it goes to show you that there is definitely still
a lot of work to be done, absolutely, and I
feel all the same things you've felt, Katie. Reading that out,
it is atrocious, appalling and unacceptable, and that's what we're saying.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
You know, it's been a really good start. We've only
been in government six months. We've had endless pieces. You know,
every time we go to Parliament. We've been doing a
little bit more, a little bit more, and this week
is the same Katie. I've got a bit more police
powers to deal with some devo issues and some parole issues,
so we'll just keep working on it. It is our
core focus and supporting our police is really important too,
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and we've already seen some really good results with attrition.
So that is now at the lowest level since twenty nineteen.
We've got wonderful recruits, so many of which are locals,
So local people putting up their hand to say, you
know what, I'm going to be part of the solution.
So it is all coming together, and some of it
will take longer than others, and you know, unfortunately we'll
never have zero crime, but we're moving in the right direction.
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We're committed to it, and we'll just keep pushing as
hard as we can and make sure we throw the
book at people who are breaking the law.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
You did just say that this week in Parliament the
government planning to debate and past the Police Administration Amendment spill.
How is that legislation going to help domestic violence victims
in a meaningful practical way.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
This has come from police. Which is the best part
about my job, Katie, is when police talk to me
and we can change a law literally from a conversation
with them, I feel like that is so powerful. So
what this does is to things. It allows police to
enter someone's property, which currently they can't if there's someone
on parole and they want to make sure that there's
no breach of parole or someone on a DEVO, So
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essentially it will mean police could open the front gate,
walk around the back of a property. If there's people
on a DVO who, for example, have a rule that
they can't be drinking or they can't be with the victim,
and the police bust them in the act, then they
can undertake drug and alcohol testing, they can arrest them.
So it just gives police certainty around access to premises,
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which they really need because they've got to make split
decisions at the time, and so we've got to back
them in with really crystal clear laws that allow them
to take those decisions when they're in that moment and
support community.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
So essentially that's going to pass this week, you hope,
and they'll be able to utilize that asap.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah, it'll pass this week, is certainly our plan, and
then the administrator has to consider it, which is entirely appropriate,
and so it could be a week or two, but
otherwise there's no real reason for any de The.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Chief Minister a question here from Gregin Catherine. He said, Hi,
Katie and Coke, could you please ask the Chief Minister
what the juvenile bail crime stats are. There's no mention
of that in the info that has been released now,
Chief Minister, you and I have spoken about this on
numerous occasions. I think it's you know, it's something that
a lot of people will be aware of. It does
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look as though the changes with Decklan's Law have made
or are making a difference when it comes to adult offending.
What about with you though.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yeah, you're right, that data isn't there, and I'm not
actually sure why, so thank you to listen never for
pulling that up. But I remember reading it though, and
I remember it being really high, so I can probably
does add up as in it was working really well
for youths as well. So perhaps it's just we've decided
to highlight the adult defenders rather than youth offenders. But
the Declan's law across the board is working well for
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both adult and youth offenders.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
It's just that we see so often, like in press
releases that come out from the Northern Territory Police that
you know, people have been charged with numerous offenses including breaching.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Bailp Yeah, yeah they are, but we've tidied that up
so it's definitely not happening as much as it used to,
and we can certainly pull out that data what I
will just add is that the second part of Declan's
law was wanting and giving police better powers there and
we've wandered territory wide more than three thousand people and
taken fifty knives, sorry, fifty weapons out of circulation. Forty
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three of those were edged weapons. So it's a pretty
incredible thing that just with an increase of powers we
can actually do proactive policing, which means who knows how
many offenses haven't been committed because those weapons are off
the street.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
How do you feel, like, do you feel as though
there is a reduction in crime at the moment. I mean,
like I guess anecdotally, I'm getting messages coming through at
the moment saying the government's doing a good job dealing
with crime. Says David Humpty Doo. It's obviously going to
take time to reverse the miss that the labor misfits
put us in. We probably need another jail, and that
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would be money well spent. I mean, this another one
that says there's no recent attacks on me or my property,
but the paper has reported at least a dozen assaults
car Fiff's home invasions. I mean, they're just a couple
of messages coming through.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
No, Look, and everyone's experience is different and where you
are and the territory is different. But what we're seeing
is really strong early results. So our focus is to
make sure we are keeping the pressure on. And as
I said, there will never be zero crime, but we
can get it to a lot better position than what
we've got Now it is starting to work. We are
not I just want people to really understand this is
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not the end. This is not the end of the reform,
and now this is new status quo. We are continuing.
So for example, I have a massive rewrite of the
Use Justice Act underway, which will.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Be I think introduced in Parliament.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
I'm pretty sure it's the end of July, Katie might
be okay, August, but I remember saying to you last
week I was midyear. I can confirm it's whatever that
last setting is in in July will be when it's introduced,
so passage maybe September.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
So that's huge.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Plus writing the Traffic Act, which it gained laws coming
from police on the front line, me sitting in cop cars,
chatting to the cop writing down furiously their suggestions, and
then working that through a process. So there's a lot
more to come and we will not stop. And as
for building more jails, we are absolutely on track doing
that too.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Now, when you talk about the police force at the moment,
we know that. You also confirmed last week the Commissioner
Michael Murphy's appointment was terminated by the Administrator of the
Northern Territory. Now, in terms of his entitlements and final payment,
it's going to be processed promptly, is what you'd said
in a statement. The terms and conditions of his appointment
in twenty twenty three requires payment of six months renumeration
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upon termination. How much is that going to amount too?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, look, I don't know the exact figure. So it's
six months paying he was entitled to and it may
very well have been paid by now already, Katie, I'm
not sure. And then all those other bits and pieces
like and you'll leave and other entitlements that you accrue.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
So I don't have a dollar figure.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
I think you know, people can guess it's in the
it's probably around in the hundreds of thousands. So yeah,
that was just part of the part of the entitlements
and there's nothing we could do about that. But it
was a methodical process. It's been resolved now and we
need to move forward.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
So what's the process now in terms of recruitment for
a new commissioner.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
So I will not commence that process until Justice Blow
has completed his inquiry into senior recruitment because it's really
important that we have certainty at all of those ranks
from superintendent and above. And he commenced that work immediately,
So we'll just let that take its cause I've got
no deadline for Justice Blow. He will take as long
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as is required. I certainly don't want it to drag,
but at the end of the day, it's a matter
for the judge to do what he's got to do.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
So no recruitment's going to happen for a new commissioner
until that process has been finalized. But no real idea
at this stage how long that's going to take.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
No no idea about that yet. So we've obviously got
Deputy Commissioner Doll has now stood up into the acting
commissioner role to steady the ship, and everyone's just getting
on with the job. I've had lots of good feedback,
I have to say. Over the weekend, Katie just bumping
into police at the shops and things, and they seem
to be, you know, comfortable and happy that things are happening. Yeah,
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so it's an awful time.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
But please that the reviews happening.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Yeah, just please that things are being sorted and sorted
sensibly and we're moving forward and the focus, I think,
above all whatever other things are happening, My focus remains
on them on the ground, and I think they really
appreciate that. So, yeah, we're moving forward, but it's got
to be done properly, and we can't possibly have a
recruitment process while we're having a review.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I mean, are you concerned that we could You know
that we could be in a situation where there needs
to be some movement at the top.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Well, I mean, Justice Blower is looking at all of
these issues, so it's entirely a matter for him, and
everyone who's been affected by this review deserves certainty as well.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I mean, how much could it potentially cost us to
do this review?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I genuinely don't know, Katie, and I think that was
an important part of doing it. Is for me to say,
we find the very best person for the job, we
give them a broad terms of reference to be able
to go through and say were these appointments on merit?
Did they follow the rules? And then if he finds
any other issues, he's got an opportunity to raise those.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Has he got a budget?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Nope, there's no budget. It'll just cost what it will cost, Katie.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
And so how it works is judges are paid I
think it's called a day fee or they basically have
a per day kind of price.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
And so will he have other staff supporting him?
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yes, so OCPE, the Public Employment Commissioner, they're doing it
together so that you've got really high end professional people
in recruitment looking at it.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
But so no budget, so it can essentially it can
cost what it costs, and he is going to have
staff supporting him. I mean, is he going to be
able to interview people and that kind of thing because
we saw a situation with the IKAK recently where they didn't.
Is it going to be thorough?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yep, he can do whatever he wants.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I'm not involved, Katie, No politicians are involved. But do
you think he should Yeah, I think he should do.
I mean he's a former Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
He's you know, he knows the drill.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
So I have full confidence, you know, he received his
Order of Australia on a his medal for you know,
public integrity and those types of things. So he's well
placed with OCP to do that work and we'll just
have to let it run its course and at the
end of the day it will shine a light on
what's been a dark cloud and we can move forward afterwards.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
All right, Chief Finister. Last week there were revelations during
question time that the ICAC had indeed completed an investigation
into the allegations made into the Colleen Gwinn case back
in April twenty twenty four when Label was in power.
Now the IKAK launched the investigation back in September twenty
twenty three into allegations including that the police investigation and
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prosecution was motivated by malice and the Police Commissioner's referral
to the Special References Unit was an abuse of power.
But in that report, Patricia Kelly, the SC says it
was unsurprising the investigation was referred to the SIU, which
was set up to investigate high level corruption and serious
conflicts of interest. She also determined that it was not
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her role to question any of the legal advice given,
finding no basis to continue any investigation under the IKAC Act.
Colin Gwin issued a statement on Friday and said the
IKAC investigation was insufficiently thorough as the investigator relied solely
on court documents and the information provided by the entities
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under scrutiny. She said no independent fact checking was conducted,
no witnesses were interviewed, and no verification of affidavid claims,
particularly those used to justify intrusive warrants, are undertaken. I
mean we spoke about this last week and you didn't
rule out an inquiry. Did you know at that point
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that the IKAK had already investigated this.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
No, I didn't.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
That got revealed in Parliament by Thettorney General late last week,
so she's very clearly stated I mean earlier, Katie, obviously
I said we wouldn't rule it out, and my mind
has really been on this police issue and the recruitment issue.
The Attorney General has then tabled this report into Parliament
and she's now said that she's getting advice from her
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department about what next steps could look like. So there's
potentially still water to go under that bridge, Katie, but
that's now with the Attorney General to move through, but
again we haven't ruled out taking further steps or whether
this is the end of it.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
I mean, do you think it's a thorough investigation given
the fact that no one was interviewed According to Colin Gwinn.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Well, I mean, at the end of the day, we
had the ik look at it. I know there's certainly
been feedback from Missus Gwyn around the efficacy of all
of that. And again these are matters I imagine the
Attorney General is turning her mind to in what next
steps look like. And again, as we've talked about many
different topics, you know, territories will form their own judgment
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around whether they think the IKAK is operating as they
imagined it would, or as was promised to them, or
as is intended.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
When I spoke to Colin quin last week, she said
she just wanted an apology. I know that you were
not in power at the time, but should there be
an apology for the way that she was treated them
the way that this has all played.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Out, Well, I think that might be borne out in
whatever next steps are for the Attorney General. I mean
the point that the Attorney made in Parliament though, was
that that Eyekak report happened under the watch of both
Selena Yubo as Attorney General who's now the Opposition leader,
and of course Chancey Paik who was the Attorney General, and.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
So Selena Rubo was the Attorney General at time.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah, during part of that investigation, and then ultimately when
the report was concluded, it was Chancey Paik. So what
did Labor know about this? What did they do about it?
Because it was three hundred and forty three odd days
I think, Katie, from the time from now going back
to when the report was completed, So I think this
question marks over what Labor knew, did, didn't do, and
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why they didn't apologize if that was the appropriate action.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Will you apologize to her?
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Well, again, it's about looking at what comes next, and
so the Attorney General will look at all of those processes.
If there's a reason to apologize, there's no reason why
we wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
But certainly, like I said, I think there's more water
to go under.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
The bride, but it's not something that you're planning on doing.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Today or no, Katie, No, we're focused on the job
at hand. We've got a big week of Parliament ahead
of us, and ultimately these are historical things that we're
cleaning up from labor, and they just keep going.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
And you know, as I watched Question Time unfolding last
week and when I saw that happen, my instant reaction was,
how many other IKAC reports are there that we don't
know about? Have you gone and checked that? No?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I haven't, Katie, who knows?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
And honestly, it's just about every day we uncover some
new ridiculous thing that labor did and have to work through.
And I mean that's, you know, part of the charm
of being a new government. I guess you can't just
move forward, You've also got to clean up up. And
we're trying really hard to juggle that because obviously we
have a very big reform agenda, which we've been able
to really successfully deliver in six months. I mean we've
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achieved a huge amount. This week's going to be huge
as well, and we're really proud to be driving change.
It's what territories wanted. And that sound focusing.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I mean, there are a few different One comes to
my mind that I know people had asked whether there
was going to be an EYECAC look into, and that
was the zach Rolf case. I mean, have you gone
and checked whether there was an EYECAC report into that,
for example.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
No, I haven't, Katie. I don't know if anybody else has. Well,
we're still through that, We're still in the process. I mean,
that is still with the coroner, and I believe that's
coming up in a few months time. So I think
it's really important to let the proper processes play out
and then when they reach their conclusion, you can make
a decision around what comes next, all.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Right, So you won't look at whether there is a
report into that until we find out whether what the
coroner's report is.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Yeah, I'll certainly be letting the coroner continue to undertake
that process. Another conclusion of that, we can work out
what comes next. I'm not ruling it out, but I'm
just saying I think it's very important that one thing
proceeded the other.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
But so at this point in time, don't think that
you should go and check with the IKAC whether there's
other reports into you know, that, or anything else to
see what the former government might have been sitting on
that could actually be public interest.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
None at this point, Katie. But again that's the Attorney
General is fully able to do. All of those things
as she should in as that role.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Do you reckon she should?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Well, I guess it just really depends.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
I don't know that the k would really respond to
us as fishing around, to be honest.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
But like I say to me, I was really surprised
on Thursday when you know, when question time convened and
then we had the Attorney General stand up and say,
you know, the Chief Minister had gone back and checked,
you know, whether this was something that could be looked into.
And then it's like, well, hang on a second, there's
actually a report that's been sat on for goodness knows
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how long.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I guess there wasn't adverse findings. But my argument is
it it is a matter of public importance, not even
interest so much, but importance. You know, it's a case
that have been covered so extensively. It's a case that
I imagine has cost the territory taxpayer quite a substantial
amount of money. And you know, even then, when you
look at the situation with you know, with Zach Rolf,
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similar situation. Not the same in any I know, I mean,
but yeah, similar in the sense that there's been money,
you know, money spent territory tax payer dollars spent, and
I guess that again it is sort of a matter
of public interest and importance.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Look, I'm not ruling out the roof issue.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
I just think because we have I mean, a coronal
is still a judicial process on foot. So I'm just
really want to make sure we're stepping through things properly,
and so that's got to come first. I believe that
finishes in May from memory, Katie. So what happens after
that will happen.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
But surely if there is a reporting to that, we
wouldn't be sitting on it.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I don't have it. I don't have one, Katie's.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
If the eye Gake has one, that's entirely a for
the k And as I've said over the last three weeks,
they can make anything they want public. It doesn't require
a politician to have any involvement at all. So if
they feel they're sitting on matters of public interest, that's
entirely a matter for them. All I'm saying is is
from our perspective around process, I think, particularly how long
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this Rolth matter has gone on for the obviously interest
and the impact on our police and the way in
which labor really bungled this type of thing. I'm not
willing to make these knee jerk type of interventionist decisions.
What I want to do is make sure the coronial
has resolved and then whatever has to happen after that.
Of course it can and will happen, Katie. But one
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thing first, Chief Miness.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Through a couple of people messaging through some Katie, when
is the IKA Commissioner coming back to work?
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yes, good questions. So that remains ongoing. He remains on
leave and the what was it the inquiry or the
process that was happening, is still on foot. So again,
unfortunately I have no new information on that. It is
status quo for that one.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
All right, something else I want to ask you about
this morning. I know you're pressed for time and I've
kept you for a long time. The AFL Northern Territory,
in collaboration with Stadiums in North Australia and Larachie Development Corporation,
they've announced the release of the Darwin City Stadium Plan.
This plan has now been released to the public for consultation.
It includes a wide range of facility types and site options.
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Chief Minister, do you have a preferred site look.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Katie, I haven't looked at it. It couldn't be further down
my list of priorities, I have to say. And whilst
it's good to be aspirational, the state of the territories
books and budget and debt and crime and need for
other priorities like prisons and hospitals is faster passes the
need for an AFL stadium. So people can dream and
think big and that's great, But where I live, Katie,
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is in reality, and the reality is right now, we've
got plenty of other things. Any funding from you, no,
not that I'm aware of.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
No.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
So has there been a discussion with you about the stadium. Oh?
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I did get briefed on it from opposition.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
I haven't since being in government, and nor would I
really engage in that. Katie's probably something for the Minister
for Sport, but it's certainly not a it's not a
pressing priority now And.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
As we've been really clear to territorians, you know, this is.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
About steadying the ships that we can move forward and
sure in the future, how lovely would that be?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
But right now we are pretty bloody broke.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Do you want an AFL tape? Oh?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Look, all of these things are great.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Of course it would be great, but you know, I'd
like a lot of things, Katie, And what.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
You're saying, I suppose, is that we just don't have
the money for it.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
It's not even just the money we just don't have.
We're just not in a position sody for that at
all right now.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
It kind of sounds unless it's fully funded by the
federal government, it's not something that you're going to be pushing.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Ahead or no, it won't be.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
But sure the Feds can come in and drop a
billion dollars into a project like that. But again, even
if the Feds were going to stump up a billion dollars,
I wouldn't get it put in an AFL stadium, Katie.
There's much more economic building infrastructure that we need.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
So it's just a question of priority.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
But again, you do need people thinking big and looking
at those exciting possibilities down the road, and so credit
to them for doing the work.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
You know, it's important people do that.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
But where we sit right now is much more in
the trenches, and there's plenty of work to be done.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Chief Minister Leah Fanocchiaro, we better leave it there. We've
already taken up plenty of your time, Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
That's all right, And people won't hear from me for
a few weeks because I'm having my first family holiday
in an extraordinary long time. First time is chief as well.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
So alright, so going to be away for a couple
of ye yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah, So I appreciate people's support and having a break.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Look, I know there's always whenever we have a leader
go and leave, people sort of ask questions and say
is that appropriate should they go and leave at this
point in time? I mean, what do you say to
anybody that's maybe questioning that at this point?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yeah, I made sure I didn't go anywhere. It's been
six months now. I worked straight through Christmas and supported
Alice Springs and all those things.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
And last year was a big year for my family.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I've got little children as well, and it's just time
for me to be mum and regroup and I'll come
back from leave a better leader. You do, you know,
everyone needs to have a break, and so Jared Maylee
his deputy, will step up as acting chief and everyone
will be in good hands. The ship will continue to
sail and.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Should an emergency arise, do you come back?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Well, it depends how big the emergency is. I suppose Katie,
but let's hope not.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yeah, well, good luck. We will talk to you again
very soon. I'll be away as well for a week,
so you won't have to worry about here, but I'll
be I'll be back, I think before you. Chief Minish
de Leah Finocchio, thank you so much for your time
this morning. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Take everyone,
Now we know the latest crime statistics. They were released
on Friday, with the number of adults on bail dropping
by five percent from one thousand, eight hundred and ninety
eight on January six to one thousand, eight hundred and
seven on the tenth of March. During the same period,
the number of adults on remand has increased by eighteen percent,
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from one thy one hundred and thirty six to one thousand,
three hundred and thirty eight. Now, the Chief Minister, Lea Finocchiaro,
said the figures highlighted the effectiveness of the government's commitment
to tackling crime head on. Now, I said this a
little earlier. In my experience, it can be a bit
of a dicey game using stats to highlight the effectiveness
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of legislation. But I know that the Chief Minister has
said the effect of Decklan's law and its impact has
been immediate. And she joins me in the studio, Good
morning to you, Chief Minister.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Good morning Katie and tier listeners.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Now, Chief Minister, what do you think that these statistics
have shown.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yeah, look, you're right, it's really hard visited and that's
why we've always been really clear the measure of successes
when people feel safe. But it was really important for
us to highlight this early data because it shows, with
the right laws and the right support for our police,
that we can actually make a difference in this space.
And I say that because so many of your listeners
would have just lost hope on this topic, to be honest,
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after the horrendous decade we've had. So Declan's Law is
going really, really well. And for these stats to come
out virtually on the second anniversary of Declan's death, I
just felt so proud to have been able to deliver
this for Samara and for Declan and so and for
the community. At the end of the day, it's the
community who benefits from it. And so it is early days,
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but we're seeing it moving in the right direction, and
we'll just keep going back into Parliament strengthening the laws
until we get it right.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I mean, Chief Minister, you would have heard me reading
my opener just a short time ago. You know, those
numbers do sound as so the good. Unfortunately, on the weekend,
I mean, a couple of pretty horrendous incidents out of
Central Australia. One of those the domestic violence LOOK related
incident by the Look of things, a twenty four year
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old female being strangled and punched while she was in
a car at a set of traffic lights. Than we
also had a situation we're a nineteen year old female
sexually assaulted while in the bathroom of a fast food restaurant.
I mean, first off, that makes it makes me really angry,
and then it makes my skin crawl. There's all the
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different feelings that I feel reading those out, I mean,
it goes to show you that there is definitely still
a lot of work to be done, absolutely, and I
feel all the same things you've felt, Katie. Reading that out,
it is atrocious, appalling and unacceptable, and that's what we're saying.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
You know, it's been a really good start. We've only
been in government six months. We've had endless pieces. You know,
every time we go to Parliament. We've been doing a
little bit more, a little bit more, and this week
is the same Katie. I've got a bit more police
powers to deal with some devo issues and some parole issues,
so we'll just keep working on it. It is our
core focus and supporting our police is really important too,
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and we've already seen some really good results with attrition.
So that is now at the lowest level since twenty nineteen.
We've got wonderful recruits, so many of which are locals,
So local people putting up their hand to say, you
know what, I'm going to be part of the solution.
So it is all coming together, and some of it
will take longer than others, and you know, unfortunately we'll
never have zero crime, but we're moving in the right direction.
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We're committed to it, and we'll just keep pushing as
hard as we can and make sure we throw the
book at people who are breaking the law.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
You did just say that this week in Parliament the
government planning to debate and past the Police Administration Amendment spill.
How is that legislation going to help domestic violence victims
in a meaningful practical way.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
This has come from police. Which is the best part
about my job, Katie, is when police talk to me
and we can change a law literally from a conversation
with them, I feel like that is so powerful. So
what this does is to things. It allows police to
enter someone's property, which currently they can't if there's someone
on parole and they want to make sure that there's
no breach of parole or someone on a DEVO, So
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essentially it will mean police could open the front gate,
walk around the back of a property. If there's people
on a DVO who, for example, have a rule that
they can't be drinking or they can't be with the victim,
and the police bust them in the act, then they
can undertake drug and alcohol testing, they can arrest them.
So it just gives police certainty around access to premises,
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which they really need because they've got to make split
decisions at the time, and so we've got to back
them in with really crystal clear laws that allow them
to take those decisions when they're in that moment and
support community.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
So essentially that's going to pass this week, you hope,
and they'll be able to utilize that asap.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah, it'll pass this week, is certainly our plan, and
then the administrator has to consider it, which is entirely appropriate,
and so it could be a week or two, but
otherwise there's no real reason for any de The.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Chief Minister a question here from Gregin Catherine. He said, Hi,
Katie and Coke, could you please ask the Chief Minister
what the juvenile bail crime stats are. There's no mention
of that in the info that has been released now,
Chief Minister, you and I have spoken about this on
numerous occasions. I think it's you know, it's something that
a lot of people will be aware of. It does
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look as though the changes with Decklan's Law have made
or are making a difference when it comes to adult offending.
What about with you though.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yeah, you're right, that data isn't there, and I'm not
actually sure why, so thank you to listen never for
pulling that up. But I remember reading it though, and
I remember it being really high, so I can probably
does add up as in it was working really well
for youths as well. So perhaps it's just we've decided
to highlight the adult defenders rather than youth offenders. But
the Declan's law across the board is working well for
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both adult and youth offenders.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
It's just that we see so often, like in press
releases that come out from the Northern Territory Police that
you know, people have been charged with numerous offenses including breaching.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Bailp Yeah, yeah they are, but we've tidied that up
so it's definitely not happening as much as it used to,
and we can certainly pull out that data what I
will just add is that the second part of Declan's
law was wanting and giving police better powers there and
we've wandered territory wide more than three thousand people and
taken fifty knives, sorry, fifty weapons out of circulation. Forty
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three of those were edged weapons. So it's a pretty
incredible thing that just with an increase of powers we
can actually do proactive policing, which means who knows how
many offenses haven't been committed because those weapons are off
the street.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
How do you feel, like, do you feel as though
there is a reduction in crime at the moment. I mean,
like I guess anecdotally, I'm getting messages coming through at
the moment saying the government's doing a good job dealing
with crime. Says David Humpty Doo. It's obviously going to
take time to reverse the miss that the labor misfits
put us in. We probably need another jail, and that
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would be money well spent. I mean, this another one
that says there's no recent attacks on me or my property,
but the paper has reported at least a dozen assaults
car Fiff's home invasions. I mean, they're just a couple
of messages coming through.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
No, Look, and everyone's experience is different and where you
are and the territory is different. But what we're seeing
is really strong early results. So our focus is to
make sure we are keeping the pressure on. And as
I said, there will never be zero crime, but we
can get it to a lot better position than what
we've got Now it is starting to work. We are
not I just want people to really understand this is
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not the end. This is not the end of the reform,
and now this is new status quo. We are continuing.
So for example, I have a massive rewrite of the
Use Justice Act underway, which will.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Be I think introduced in Parliament.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
I'm pretty sure it's the end of July, Katie might
be okay, August, but I remember saying to you last
week I was midyear. I can confirm it's whatever that
last setting is in in July will be when it's introduced,
so passage maybe September.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
So that's huge.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Plus writing the Traffic Act, which it gained laws coming
from police on the front line, me sitting in cop cars,
chatting to the cop writing down furiously their suggestions, and
then working that through a process. So there's a lot
more to come and we will not stop. And as
for building more jails, we are absolutely on track doing
that too.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Now, when you talk about the police force at the moment,
we know that. You also confirmed last week the Commissioner
Michael Murphy's appointment was terminated by the Administrator of the
Northern Territory. Now, in terms of his entitlements and final payment,
it's going to be processed promptly, is what you'd said
in a statement. The terms and conditions of his appointment
in twenty twenty three requires payment of six months renumeration
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upon termination. How much is that going to amount too?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, look, I don't know the exact figure. So it's
six months paying he was entitled to and it may
very well have been paid by now already, Katie, I'm
not sure. And then all those other bits and pieces
like and you'll leave and other entitlements that you accrue.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
So I don't have a dollar figure.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
I think you know, people can guess it's in the
it's probably around in the hundreds of thousands. So yeah,
that was just part of the part of the entitlements
and there's nothing we could do about that. But it
was a methodical process. It's been resolved now and we
need to move forward.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
So what's the process now in terms of recruitment for
a new commissioner.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
So I will not commence that process until Justice Blow
has completed his inquiry into senior recruitment because it's really
important that we have certainty at all of those ranks
from superintendent and above. And he commenced that work immediately,
So we'll just let that take its cause I've got
no deadline for Justice Blow. He will take as long
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as is required. I certainly don't want it to drag,
but at the end of the day, it's a matter
for the judge to do what he's got to do.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
So no recruitment's going to happen for a new commissioner
until that process has been finalized. But no real idea
at this stage how long that's going to take.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
No no idea about that yet. So we've obviously got
Deputy Commissioner Doll has now stood up into the acting
commissioner role to steady the ship, and everyone's just getting
on with the job. I've had lots of good feedback,
I have to say. Over the weekend, Katie just bumping
into police at the shops and things, and they seem
to be, you know, comfortable and happy that things are happening. Yeah,
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so it's an awful time.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
But please that the reviews happening.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Yeah, just please that things are being sorted and sorted
sensibly and we're moving forward and the focus, I think,
above all whatever other things are happening, My focus remains
on them on the ground, and I think they really
appreciate that. So, yeah, we're moving forward, but it's got
to be done properly, and we can't possibly have a
recruitment process while we're having a review.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I mean, are you concerned that we could You know
that we could be in a situation where there needs
to be some movement at the top.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Well, I mean, Justice Blower is looking at all of
these issues, so it's entirely a matter for him, and
everyone who's been affected by this review deserves certainty as well.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I mean, how much could it potentially cost us to
do this review?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I genuinely don't know, Katie, and I think that was
an important part of doing it. Is for me to say,
we find the very best person for the job, we
give them a broad terms of reference to be able
to go through and say were these appointments on merit?
Did they follow the rules? And then if he finds
any other issues, he's got an opportunity to raise those.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Has he got a budget?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Nope, there's no budget. It'll just cost what it will cost, Katie.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
And so how it works is judges are paid I
think it's called a day fee or they basically have
a per day kind of price.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
And so will he have other staff supporting him?
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yes, so OCPE, the Public Employment Commissioner, they're doing it
together so that you've got really high end professional people
in recruitment looking at it.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
But so no budget, so it can essentially it can
cost what it costs, and he is going to have
staff supporting him. I mean, is he going to be
able to interview people and that kind of thing because
we saw a situation with the IKAK recently where they didn't.
Is it going to be thorough?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yep, he can do whatever he wants.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I'm not involved, Katie, No politicians are involved. But do
you think he should Yeah, I think he should do.
I mean he's a former Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
He's you know, he knows the drill.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
So I have full confidence, you know, he received his
Order of Australia on a his medal for you know,
public integrity and those types of things. So he's well
placed with OCP to do that work and we'll just
have to let it run its course and at the
end of the day it will shine a light on
what's been a dark cloud and we can move forward afterwards.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
All right, Chief Finister. Last week there were revelations during
question time that the ICAC had indeed completed an investigation
into the allegations made into the Colleen Gwinn case back
in April twenty twenty four when Label was in power.
Now the IKAK launched the investigation back in September twenty
twenty three into allegations including that the police investigation and
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prosecution was motivated by malice and the Police Commissioner's referral
to the Special References Unit was an abuse of power.
But in that report, Patricia Kelly, the SC says it
was unsurprising the investigation was referred to the SIU, which
was set up to investigate high level corruption and serious
conflicts of interest. She also determined that it was not
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her role to question any of the legal advice given,
finding no basis to continue any investigation under the IKAC Act.
Colin Gwin issued a statement on Friday and said the
IKAC investigation was insufficiently thorough as the investigator relied solely
on court documents and the information provided by the entities
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under scrutiny. She said no independent fact checking was conducted,
no witnesses were interviewed, and no verification of affidavid claims,
particularly those used to justify intrusive warrants, are undertaken. I
mean we spoke about this last week and you didn't
rule out an inquiry. Did you know at that point
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that the IKAK had already investigated this.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
No, I didn't.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
That got revealed in Parliament by Thettorney General late last week,
so she's very clearly stated I mean earlier, Katie, obviously
I said we wouldn't rule it out, and my mind
has really been on this police issue and the recruitment issue.
The Attorney General has then tabled this report into Parliament
and she's now said that she's getting advice from her
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department about what next steps could look like. So there's
potentially still water to go under that bridge, Katie, but
that's now with the Attorney General to move through, but
again we haven't ruled out taking further steps or whether
this is the end of it.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
I mean, do you think it's a thorough investigation given
the fact that no one was interviewed According to Colin Gwinn.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Well, I mean, at the end of the day, we
had the ik look at it. I know there's certainly
been feedback from Missus Gwyn around the efficacy of all
of that. And again these are matters I imagine the
Attorney General is turning her mind to in what next
steps look like. And again, as we've talked about many
different topics, you know, territories will form their own judgment
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around whether they think the IKAK is operating as they
imagined it would, or as was promised to them, or
as is intended.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
When I spoke to Colin quin last week, she said
she just wanted an apology. I know that you were
not in power at the time, but should there be
an apology for the way that she was treated them
the way that this has all played.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Out, Well, I think that might be borne out in
whatever next steps are for the Attorney General. I mean
the point that the Attorney made in Parliament though, was
that that Eyekak report happened under the watch of both
Selena Yubo as Attorney General who's now the Opposition leader,
and of course Chancey Paik who was the Attorney General, and.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
So Selena Rubo was the Attorney General at time.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah, during part of that investigation, and then ultimately when
the report was concluded, it was Chancey Paik. So what
did Labor know about this? What did they do about it?
Because it was three hundred and forty three odd days
I think, Katie, from the time from now going back
to when the report was completed, So I think this
question marks over what Labor knew, did, didn't do, and
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why they didn't apologize if that was the appropriate action.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Will you apologize to her?
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Well, again, it's about looking at what comes next, and
so the Attorney General will look at all of those processes.
If there's a reason to apologize, there's no reason why
we wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
But certainly, like I said, I think there's more water
to go under.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
The bride, but it's not something that you're planning on doing.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Today or no, Katie, No, we're focused on the job
at hand. We've got a big week of Parliament ahead
of us, and ultimately these are historical things that we're
cleaning up from labor, and they just keep going.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
And you know, as I watched Question Time unfolding last
week and when I saw that happen, my instant reaction was,
how many other IKAC reports are there that we don't
know about? Have you gone and checked that? No?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I haven't, Katie, who knows?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
And honestly, it's just about every day we uncover some
new ridiculous thing that labor did and have to work through.
And I mean that's, you know, part of the charm
of being a new government. I guess you can't just
move forward, You've also got to clean up up. And
we're trying really hard to juggle that because obviously we
have a very big reform agenda, which we've been able
to really successfully deliver in six months. I mean we've
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achieved a huge amount. This week's going to be huge
as well, and we're really proud to be driving change.
It's what territories wanted. And that sound focusing.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I mean, there are a few different One comes to
my mind that I know people had asked whether there
was going to be an EYECAC look into, and that
was the zach Rolf case. I mean, have you gone
and checked whether there was an EYECAC report into that,
for example.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
No, I haven't, Katie. I don't know if anybody else has. Well,
we're still through that, We're still in the process. I mean,
that is still with the coroner, and I believe that's
coming up in a few months time. So I think
it's really important to let the proper processes play out
and then when they reach their conclusion, you can make
a decision around what comes next, all.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Right, So you won't look at whether there is a
report into that until we find out whether what the
coroner's report is.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Yeah, I'll certainly be letting the coroner continue to undertake
that process. Another conclusion of that, we can work out
what comes next. I'm not ruling it out, but I'm
just saying I think it's very important that one thing
proceeded the other.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
But so at this point in time, don't think that
you should go and check with the IKAC whether there's
other reports into you know, that, or anything else to
see what the former government might have been sitting on
that could actually be public interest.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
None at this point, Katie. But again that's the Attorney
General is fully able to do. All of those things
as she should in as that role.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Do you reckon she should?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Well, I guess it just really depends.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
I don't know that the k would really respond to
us as fishing around, to be honest.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
But like I say to me, I was really surprised
on Thursday when you know, when question time convened and
then we had the Attorney General stand up and say,
you know, the Chief Minister had gone back and checked,
you know, whether this was something that could be looked into.
And then it's like, well, hang on a second, there's
actually a report that's been sat on for goodness knows
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how long.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I guess there wasn't adverse findings. But my argument is
it it is a matter of public importance, not even
interest so much, but importance. You know, it's a case
that have been covered so extensively. It's a case that
I imagine has cost the territory taxpayer quite a substantial
amount of money. And you know, even then, when you
look at the situation with you know, with Zach Rolf,
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similar situation. Not the same in any I know, I mean,
but yeah, similar in the sense that there's been money,
you know, money spent territory tax payer dollars spent, and
I guess that again it is sort of a matter
of public interest and importance.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Look, I'm not ruling out the roof issue.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
I just think because we have I mean, a coronal
is still a judicial process on foot. So I'm just
really want to make sure we're stepping through things properly,
and so that's got to come first. I believe that
finishes in May from memory, Katie. So what happens after
that will happen.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
But surely if there is a reporting to that, we
wouldn't be sitting on it.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I don't have it. I don't have one, Katie's.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
If the eye Gake has one, that's entirely a for
the k And as I've said over the last three weeks,
they can make anything they want public. It doesn't require
a politician to have any involvement at all. So if
they feel they're sitting on matters of public interest, that's
entirely a matter for them. All I'm saying is is
from our perspective around process, I think, particularly how long
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this Rolth matter has gone on for the obviously interest
and the impact on our police and the way in
which labor really bungled this type of thing. I'm not
willing to make these knee jerk type of interventionist decisions.
What I want to do is make sure the coronial
has resolved and then whatever has to happen after that.
Of course it can and will happen, Katie. But one
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thing first, Chief Miness.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Through a couple of people messaging through some Katie, when
is the IKA Commissioner coming back to work?
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yes, good questions. So that remains ongoing. He remains on
leave and the what was it the inquiry or the
process that was happening, is still on foot. So again,
unfortunately I have no new information on that. It is
status quo for that one.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
All right, something else I want to ask you about
this morning. I know you're pressed for time and I've
kept you for a long time. The AFL Northern Territory,
in collaboration with Stadiums in North Australia and Larachie Development Corporation,
they've announced the release of the Darwin City Stadium Plan.
This plan has now been released to the public for consultation.
It includes a wide range of facility types and site options.
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Chief Minister, do you have a preferred site look.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Katie, I haven't looked at it. It couldn't be further down
my list of priorities, I have to say. And whilst
it's good to be aspirational, the state of the territories
books and budget and debt and crime and need for
other priorities like prisons and hospitals is faster passes the
need for an AFL stadium. So people can dream and
think big and that's great, But where I live, Katie,
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is in reality, and the reality is right now, we've
got plenty of other things. Any funding from you, no,
not that I'm aware of.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
No.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
So has there been a discussion with you about the stadium. Oh?
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I did get briefed on it from opposition.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
I haven't since being in government, and nor would I
really engage in that. Katie's probably something for the Minister
for Sport, but it's certainly not a it's not a
pressing priority now And.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
As we've been really clear to territorians, you know, this is.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
About steadying the ships that we can move forward and
sure in the future, how lovely would that be?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
But right now we are pretty bloody broke.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Do you want an AFL tape? Oh?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Look, all of these things are great.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Of course it would be great, but you know, I'd
like a lot of things, Katie, And what.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
You're saying, I suppose, is that we just don't have
the money for it.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
It's not even just the money we just don't have.
We're just not in a position sody for that at
all right now.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
It kind of sounds unless it's fully funded by the
federal government, it's not something that you're going to be pushing.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Ahead or no, it won't be.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
But sure the Feds can come in and drop a
billion dollars into a project like that. But again, even
if the Feds were going to stump up a billion dollars,
I wouldn't get it put in an AFL stadium, Katie.
There's much more economic building infrastructure that we need.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
So it's just a question of priority.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
But again, you do need people thinking big and looking
at those exciting possibilities down the road, and so credit
to them for doing the work.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
You know, it's important people do that.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
But where we sit right now is much more in
the trenches, and there's plenty of work to be done.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Chief Minister Leah Fanocchiaro, we better leave it there. We've
already taken up plenty of your time, Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
That's all right, And people won't hear from me for
a few weeks because I'm having my first family holiday
in an extraordinary long time. First time is chief as well.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
So alright, so going to be away for a couple
of ye yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah, So I appreciate people's support and having a break.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Look, I know there's always whenever we have a leader
go and leave, people sort of ask questions and say
is that appropriate should they go and leave at this
point in time? I mean, what do you say to
anybody that's maybe questioning that at this point?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yeah, I made sure I didn't go anywhere. It's been
six months now. I worked straight through Christmas and supported
Alice Springs and all those things.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
And last year was a big year for my family.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I've got little children as well, and it's just time
for me to be mum and regroup and I'll come
back from leave a better leader. You do, you know,
everyone needs to have a break, and so Jared Maylee
his deputy, will step up as acting chief and everyone
will be in good hands. The ship will continue to
sail and.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Should an emergency arise, do you come back?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Well, it depends how big the emergency is. I suppose Katie,
but let's hope not.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yeah, well, good luck. We will talk to you again
very soon. I'll be away as well for a week,
so you won't have to worry about here, but I'll
be I'll be back, I think before you. Chief Minish
de Leah Finocchio, thank you so much for your time
this morning. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Take everyone,
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