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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now, the Northern Territory Police Association is urgently calling for
more police powers and tactical options following a series of
dangerous incidents involving stolen cars. Police vehicles were rammed multiple times,
once head on in Alice Springs on the weekend. The
association's president, Nathan Finn, fears it is only a matter
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of time before an officer is killed if immediate action
isn't taken, and he joins me in the studio, good
morning to you, Finny.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Good morning Katie, Good morning to your listeners.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Now, Finny, firstly, can you tell us what unfolded in
Alice Springs on the weekend with those police units being rammed.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, so another police vehicle's been rammed in Alice Springs
on the weekend. This is not isolated Ellis Springs also, Katie,
and I must highlight that as well. We've seen this
in Catherine've seen this in Darwen as well. We've been
targeted not only by police but also ambulance offices as
well and security guards as well by these stolen vehicles.
It's unfortunate the situation Alice Springs again, that didn't actually
ram them once or twice, or was thinking was three
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times during that pursuit, and it attempts to avoid apprehension.
That's disgusting, Katie, and our members aren't and don't deserve
to go to work each and every day to think
that their life's going to end each and every shift
that they go and protect our community. And that's a
sad fact that our members are facing at the moment.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Finny, I read that pressure lease out yesterday on the show,
and the thing that struck me is that we're talking
really young kids behind the wheel of a stolen vehicle
and that they then tried to ram the police head on.
It's like, it's horrifying, it's dangerous. And I said this
on air yesterday. You know what would happen, First off,
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if the kids in that car ended up smashing it
really bad and died. What would happen if they smashed
into the police and killed a police officer?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Correct, Katie, And the thing is that the public are
seeing what's happening and they want our police to have
the appropriate tools to do the job that they need
to do. It's unfortunate these situations continue to cur but
we need to have the tactical options available to our
members to take the appropriate action both quickly and early
in that situation to avoid this danger not only to
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the police, but also to the public as well.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Were any of those police officers.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Injured, they haven't received medical treatment these ones. But again,
I've got police officers off in Ellie Springs because of
vehicle rammings in the previous months that still haven't returned
to work, true to physical injuries and also mental injuries
as well, Catie, our police officers don't go every work
and this is where the frustrating thing when we're talking
about our consent agreement we'll referred to as public sector.
How many public sector workers in the Northern Territory go
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to work expected to be sold every day, expect to
have a car driven at them, expecting to have their
life passed before them, and to continue to do their
work that they need to do well.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Delve into that a little bit more in just a moment.
In terms of those officers that have been rammed in
the last month or so, do you happen to know
how many off the top of your head.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I've known afore vehicles that police vehicles that have been
rammed in the preceding three months. Katie One's too many,
and we've seen this continually and this sort of behavior
continued to occur, especially in our springs as we've highlighted,
but again it's not only limited there as well.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
But what are those officers saying to you that are
on the ground.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
That our current technical options we've got available is too
is we've got tighter patient devices that we can deploy,
being the stingers, which need to require to be manually
put out onto the road and withdrawn from the road
as well. They're saying that their offenders know the locations
where we deploy these how they're deployed, so they're avoiding
these sites. They're knowing exactly what our operations are and
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where we're going to deploy them, so they're avoiding those situations.
So it's enabling the pursuit to further endanger members of
the public and also our police officers who are engaged
in this behavior as well.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Finny, what tactical options do you want to see implemented?
What could be done to expand these powers?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
So there's other options where can we can deploy mobile
solutions such as tire spikes, stopsticks from internal from inside
the car. There's also that we can and options available
to them where we don't have to take the risk
that we're currently seeing with only the limited operations. So
vehicle interdiction beinging vehicle on vehicle contact or boxing in
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of offending vehicles. We've seen their propensity for violence towards us.
We need to take the offensive on that and actually
have the ability for our members to actually do the
same thing and take out the visay.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
So how exactly does that work just in a practical sense,
you know, for.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Practical sense, Yeah, and not interdiction everyone, Gail help quite sad,
I totally understand that. But you'll see they're called pit
maneuvers in the America. You'll see police vehicles being able
to take out stolen vehicles, being able to disable them,
being able to box them and place pressure on by
a vehicle and box the mental situation where they can
actually drive the vehicle any further. So therefore stopping the
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risk further to police and also to the public.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Would that require extra training from our police officers and
could it be a dangerous situation?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
That's correct, and it's not something that we want to
lay out to every member of the police force. It's
something that specialized training that takes place, and to make
sure that it's done as safely as possible, again making
sure that there's no risk to police and there's also
no risk to the public, continuing to make sure it's
done earlier and possible.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Is that something you've spoken to the Police executive or
the government about it this stag.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, that's something I've written to the Police Executive about
and that's what I've asked them to consider and consider
training and have that availability. Currently our tig are trained
within that with the interdiction sort of things and the
boxing in we haven't seen that when we send TORG
members to Olurs Springs. They've got the ability to do
that down there, but we haven't got that full time
capacity in our springs to do that.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
So is it something like would it require legislative change
or is it more something that requires operational change.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
More operational change and more operational policy and different procedures
to make sure that our members are covered by doing that.
And again it's a risky situation, but again, at what
sake do we risk the continual lives of police buying
not having the ability to do this or to take
this appropriate action to them and to further risk both
of the public and police if we.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Haven't, if any, are there any other measures that the
Northern Territory Police Association would like to see in an
effort to try to protect those frontline police officers.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
There's always stuff that we can do, Kadie, and to
make sure they're protected, to make sure we've got appropriate vehicles,
to make sure that we've seen a number of Oursidans
are being rammed by full drive vehicles that have a
stolen with bull bars, et cetera. We haven't got the
capability of the capacity in the police force at the
moment to have vehicles to be able to compound that.
And they're being assaulted because of they're in a smaller vehicle.
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The offenders feel like they're bigger and a bigger vehicle
and actually ramming the police vehicles and to some point
getting away with what they're doing at certain points because
they're disabling our police cars.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I mean it just like there's people messaging through this
morning just going how is it that the police aren't
in a situation where they can use other methods to
try and stop a car like it's you know, people
are basically messaging through saying how dangerous it is now
they feel for the police and having a car being
driven at them. I mean, what is it like for
a police officer then when you're you know, like when
you are on duty and you've literally got someone in
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a stolen car like driving at you. It sounds utterly
horrifying and frightening.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
It is, Katie, and our members are reporting that each
and every shift they go to they don't know what's
going to fertil if that's going to be their last
shift they are going to work, if that's someone's going
to have to go home and tell the tell their
wives and their family that they're not coming home from
their shift. And that's what where members are feeling. And
I'm feeling for our members as well out there to
make sure that they're supported and got the obligations and
the tactical options for them to take the appropriate action
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which the public want us to do.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Look, someone's just messaged through and said, Katie, we've been
banging on about this for years. Using a vehicle as
a weapon should be attempted manslaughter. The government and the
judicial system won't touch it. Why deaths are lifelong injuries,
and lifelong injuries, sorry, will be the price it's disgusting,
sees Rob. I mean, that's one of the messages coming
through and I know it's it must be a really
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tough juggle for the police when you're out on the
road if you know you've got a young kid that
is behind the wheel of a car. I mean, in
some of these instances, we are literally talking about young
people aged you know, eleven to thirteen. They should not
be in a car driving a car in any way,
but then to think about them driving one at a
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police car is like it just sort of indicates to
me they're either not worried about the consequence or they
have no real care for the ramification or no understanding
of the ramification.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
They don't feel the consequences, and they they don't have
any knowledge Caddy of the ramifications that possibly can pay.
But our police officers do. They have to put up
with this time and time again. As I said before,
we've got members that are still off work because of
the injuries they've received because of these and that's a Ballingkadie.
And if our members don't go to work to be targeted,
they need the tacchnical options available to them to take
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the appropriate action that the community obviously wants us to
take the technical withdrawing of our police officers back to
a police station is not a technical option where we
let the stolen vehicle drive around and round. That's what
we're seeing at the moment, and our members are frustrated
quite rightfully, so they want to take action, but they
haven't got the tools and they haven't got the ability
to do that without risking their lives.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Finny, I want to ask you. Last week, the Independent
Member for Johnson, Justine Davis, presented a letter to Parliament
signed by more than one hundred frontline workers saying they
do not want mandatory sentencing for those who assault frontline workers.
What did you make of that?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
That's probably why she come and had a meeting with
us CADI end of last week to discuss this as
well with US and an other topics as well. We're
quite concerned again, if the judiciary is taking the appropriate
action in relation to protecting our frontline workers, we wouldn't
have to have a mandatory minimum sentencing. And members are
sick of being punching bags for the community and members
are sick of going to work every single day and
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being assaulted. We've seen over three hundred defences. I think
it was last year of assault police. Unfortunately, we're not
seeing the sentencing provisions to obviously deter that side of behavior,
and that's why the action's being taken. Again, some frontline
workers out there, they probably don't agree with it, and
she's representing those. But again, if it's a police officers
saying that to her that they don't support it, I'd
say think again, because a lot of our members are
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coming forward to us and congratulating us forgetting that mantary
sentencing in for assault police.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Finny, before I let you go, I know the Police
Association has said that negotiations on a new pay agreement
have stalled with the government. What's the situation at this point?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
So the situation is the wages policies out Katie, which
limits to the three three percent per annum for all the
public sector employees. We're arguing that police aren't public sector
employees because again they don't go to work knowing that
they're going to be assaulted and knowing again only they're
going to have a car driven at them. Dealing with
crime levels that we haven't seen across Australia, which three
times more than the average across Australia. The workload that
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our police are doing is phenomenal and we want to
them to be rewarded for what they're doing. We're seeing
other jurisdictions across Australia being offered five percent above five
percent pay rises and making a more attractive option for
our experienced members to go elsewhere to retain our experienced
members within the all and Territory, and we don't feel
that the three percent offered by the government peranum currently
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is acceptable to our members.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Would five percent more hit the mark or do you
just want to be back at the table with them.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
We want to the table with an option to come forward.
We've put it forward our loger claims in respect to
the negotiation Cady and we haven't seen an offer come
back to us in respect to that. They've stayed strong
and saying that there's no back pay if we don't
come to an agreement. We're two thirds of the way
into our negotiation period CAATY and we still haven't seen
an option to come back to us. Our members are frustrated,
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our members don't feel respected that they should be and
we warn the devastating impacts if the government doesn't come
to the table. They were voted in on a law
and order platform. They expect the police to carry out
majority of that work and to make sure that the
territories are safe for place. We're seeing that work being
undertaken every day by our members, and we want to
say that our members deserve to be rewarded and to
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looked after.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Finny, I just want to ask you very quickly about
this story that's been reported on the ABC today. They've
obtained footage from back in April twenty twenty three which
shows three security guards man handling and one kicking a
person in the head in Darwin City. Now, I, in
no way, shape or form can dine violence against anybody.
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I think that that is very safe to say, and
the footage is pretty appalling. However, it is relating to
these security guards. They're questioning whether these security guards are
needed in our CBD or anywhere around Darwin. I guess,
as the Four Corners report a little while back, did
I mean are we in a situation yet where we
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have enough police to no longer need private security.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
We're definitely that position, Katie, and you've heard it time
and time again as we come on the radio station
all your listeners as well. We haven't enough police to
do the job we need to do it currently, so
hence there's security for a reason. If there wasn't a reason,
they wouldn't be there. We're seeing them deal with members
of the society that choose to misbehave. Unfortunately, in this
circumstance answers, I haven't seen the footage as available what
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you're talking about, but again, if they have done something wrong,
they'll be investigation conducted, they'll be how to account for
that caddy, like anyone to court.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
As my understanding that security that security guard has ended
up going to court. I guess, you know the ABC
running it because they've got their hands on the footage.
But it just, you know, like to me, I just
sort of I questioned the outrage in a lot of
ways with that footage. I get the outrage, it's horrific,
but then I also question, you know, like, where's the
outrage when you've got women being allegedly raped in our CBD.
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Where is the outrage when one hundred and one year
old you know, was robbed a couple of weeks ago.
There is so many issues at the moment that our
police are dealing with every single day. Those security guards
obviously trying to minimize things to some degree or help
people in the city to some degree.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
You don't know what's leading up to that either, Cady.
We're seeing a snapshot of a small piece of footage
and we don't know what's entailed to that. We don't
know if the offender's arm, we don't know anything about
the situation. Again, we're seeing a snapshot a little bit
of footage about it. And again, if he has gone
to court, he's been how to account. If the courts
deemed it appropriate for any sentencing to be part of that,
it's up to the court system and we as the police,
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we were to investigated that and we will put that
before the court if that's this case.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Well, Nathan Finn, President of the Northern Territory Police Association,
always good to catch up with you. Really appreciate you
time this morning.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Always a pleasure coming in here and speaking to you
and on behalf of our members. We say thank you
for supporting our police and making sure that they can
do the best possible job that they can do, and
we're looking forward to getting on and doing what we
need to do and making sure that our members are supported.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Going well for I think our Northern Territory police work
incredibly hard under what can be incredibly difficult circumstances. So Finny,
thank you for your time. We'll catch up with you soon.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Thank you, thank you,
Now, the Northern Territory Police Association is urgently calling for
more police powers and tactical options following a series of
dangerous incidents involving stolen cars. Police vehicles were rammed multiple times,
once head on in Alice Springs on the weekend. The
association's president, Nathan Finn, fears it is only a matter
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of time before an officer is killed if immediate action
isn't taken, and he joins me in the studio, good
morning to you, Finny.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Good morning Katie, Good morning to your listeners.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Now, Finny, firstly, can you tell us what unfolded in
Alice Springs on the weekend with those police units being rammed.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, so another police vehicle's been rammed in Alice Springs
on the weekend. This is not isolated Ellis Springs also, Katie,
and I must highlight that as well. We've seen this
in Catherine've seen this in Darwen as well. We've been
targeted not only by police but also ambulance offices as
well and security guards as well by these stolen vehicles.
It's unfortunate the situation Alice Springs again, that didn't actually
ram them once or twice, or was thinking was three
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times during that pursuit, and it attempts to avoid apprehension.
That's disgusting, Katie, and our members aren't and don't deserve
to go to work each and every day to think
that their life's going to end each and every shift
that they go and protect our community. And that's a
sad fact that our members are facing at the moment.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Finny, I read that pressure lease out yesterday on the show,
and the thing that struck me is that we're talking
really young kids behind the wheel of a stolen vehicle
and that they then tried to ram the police head on.
It's like, it's horrifying, it's dangerous. And I said this
on air yesterday. You know what would happen, First off,
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if the kids in that car ended up smashing it
really bad and died. What would happen if they smashed
into the police and killed a police officer?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Correct, Katie, And the thing is that the public are
seeing what's happening and they want our police to have
the appropriate tools to do the job that they need
to do. It's unfortunate these situations continue to cur but
we need to have the tactical options available to our
members to take the appropriate action both quickly and early
in that situation to avoid this danger not only to
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the police, but also to the public as well.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Were any of those police officers.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Injured, they haven't received medical treatment these ones. But again,
I've got police officers off in Ellie Springs because of
vehicle rammings in the previous months that still haven't returned
to work, true to physical injuries and also mental injuries
as well, Catie, our police officers don't go every work
and this is where the frustrating thing when we're talking
about our consent agreement we'll referred to as public sector.
How many public sector workers in the Northern Territory go
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to work expected to be sold every day, expect to
have a car driven at them, expecting to have their
life passed before them, and to continue to do their
work that they need to do well.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Delve into that a little bit more in just a moment.
In terms of those officers that have been rammed in
the last month or so, do you happen to know
how many off the top of your head.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I've known afore vehicles that police vehicles that have been
rammed in the preceding three months. Katie One's too many,
and we've seen this continually and this sort of behavior
continued to occur, especially in our springs as we've highlighted,
but again it's not only limited there as well.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
But what are those officers saying to you that are
on the ground.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
That our current technical options we've got available is too
is we've got tighter patient devices that we can deploy,
being the stingers, which need to require to be manually
put out onto the road and withdrawn from the road
as well. They're saying that their offenders know the locations
where we deploy these how they're deployed, so they're avoiding
these sites. They're knowing exactly what our operations are and
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where we're going to deploy them, so they're avoiding those situations.
So it's enabling the pursuit to further endanger members of
the public and also our police officers who are engaged
in this behavior as well.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Finny, what tactical options do you want to see implemented?
What could be done to expand these powers?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
So there's other options where can we can deploy mobile
solutions such as tire spikes, stopsticks from internal from inside
the car. There's also that we can and options available
to them where we don't have to take the risk
that we're currently seeing with only the limited operations. So
vehicle interdiction beinging vehicle on vehicle contact or boxing in
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of offending vehicles. We've seen their propensity for violence towards us.
We need to take the offensive on that and actually
have the ability for our members to actually do the
same thing and take out the visay.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
So how exactly does that work just in a practical sense,
you know, for.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Practical sense, Yeah, and not interdiction everyone, Gail help quite sad,
I totally understand that. But you'll see they're called pit
maneuvers in the America. You'll see police vehicles being able
to take out stolen vehicles, being able to disable them,
being able to box them and place pressure on by
a vehicle and box the mental situation where they can
actually drive the vehicle any further. So therefore stopping the
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risk further to police and also to the public.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Would that require extra training from our police officers and
could it be a dangerous situation?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
That's correct, and it's not something that we want to
lay out to every member of the police force. It's
something that specialized training that takes place, and to make
sure that it's done as safely as possible, again making
sure that there's no risk to police and there's also
no risk to the public, continuing to make sure it's
done earlier and possible.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Is that something you've spoken to the Police executive or
the government about it this stag.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, that's something I've written to the Police Executive about
and that's what I've asked them to consider and consider
training and have that availability. Currently our tig are trained
within that with the interdiction sort of things and the
boxing in we haven't seen that when we send TORG
members to Olurs Springs. They've got the ability to do
that down there, but we haven't got that full time
capacity in our springs to do that.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
So is it something like would it require legislative change
or is it more something that requires operational change.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
More operational change and more operational policy and different procedures
to make sure that our members are covered by doing that.
And again it's a risky situation, but again, at what
sake do we risk the continual lives of police buying
not having the ability to do this or to take
this appropriate action to them and to further risk both
of the public and police if we.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Haven't, if any, are there any other measures that the
Northern Territory Police Association would like to see in an
effort to try to protect those frontline police officers.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
There's always stuff that we can do, Kadie, and to
make sure they're protected, to make sure we've got appropriate vehicles,
to make sure that we've seen a number of Oursidans
are being rammed by full drive vehicles that have a
stolen with bull bars, et cetera. We haven't got the
capability of the capacity in the police force at the
moment to have vehicles to be able to compound that.
And they're being assaulted because of they're in a smaller vehicle.
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The offenders feel like they're bigger and a bigger vehicle
and actually ramming the police vehicles and to some point
getting away with what they're doing at certain points because
they're disabling our police cars.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I mean it just like there's people messaging through this
morning just going how is it that the police aren't
in a situation where they can use other methods to
try and stop a car like it's you know, people
are basically messaging through saying how dangerous it is now
they feel for the police and having a car being
driven at them. I mean, what is it like for
a police officer then when you're you know, like when
you are on duty and you've literally got someone in
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a stolen car like driving at you. It sounds utterly
horrifying and frightening.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
It is, Katie, and our members are reporting that each
and every shift they go to they don't know what's
going to fertil if that's going to be their last
shift they are going to work, if that's someone's going
to have to go home and tell the tell their
wives and their family that they're not coming home from
their shift. And that's what where members are feeling. And
I'm feeling for our members as well out there to
make sure that they're supported and got the obligations and
the tactical options for them to take the appropriate action
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which the public want us to do.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Look, someone's just messaged through and said, Katie, we've been
banging on about this for years. Using a vehicle as
a weapon should be attempted manslaughter. The government and the
judicial system won't touch it. Why deaths are lifelong injuries,
and lifelong injuries, sorry, will be the price it's disgusting,
sees Rob. I mean, that's one of the messages coming
through and I know it's it must be a really
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tough juggle for the police when you're out on the
road if you know you've got a young kid that
is behind the wheel of a car. I mean, in
some of these instances, we are literally talking about young
people aged you know, eleven to thirteen. They should not
be in a car driving a car in any way,
but then to think about them driving one at a
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police car is like it just sort of indicates to
me they're either not worried about the consequence or they
have no real care for the ramification or no understanding
of the ramification.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
They don't feel the consequences, and they they don't have
any knowledge Caddy of the ramifications that possibly can pay.
But our police officers do. They have to put up
with this time and time again. As I said before,
we've got members that are still off work because of
the injuries they've received because of these and that's a Ballingkadie.
And if our members don't go to work to be targeted,
they need the tacchnical options available to them to take
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the appropriate action that the community obviously wants us to
take the technical withdrawing of our police officers back to
a police station is not a technical option where we
let the stolen vehicle drive around and round. That's what
we're seeing at the moment, and our members are frustrated
quite rightfully, so they want to take action, but they
haven't got the tools and they haven't got the ability
to do that without risking their lives.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Finny, I want to ask you. Last week, the Independent
Member for Johnson, Justine Davis, presented a letter to Parliament
signed by more than one hundred frontline workers saying they
do not want mandatory sentencing for those who assault frontline workers.
What did you make of that?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
That's probably why she come and had a meeting with
us CADI end of last week to discuss this as
well with US and an other topics as well. We're
quite concerned again, if the judiciary is taking the appropriate
action in relation to protecting our frontline workers, we wouldn't
have to have a mandatory minimum sentencing. And members are
sick of being punching bags for the community and members
are sick of going to work every single day and
(09:45):
being assaulted. We've seen over three hundred defences. I think
it was last year of assault police. Unfortunately, we're not
seeing the sentencing provisions to obviously deter that side of behavior,
and that's why the action's being taken. Again, some frontline
workers out there, they probably don't agree with it, and
she's representing those. But again, if it's a police officers
saying that to her that they don't support it, I'd
say think again, because a lot of our members are
(10:09):
coming forward to us and congratulating us forgetting that mantary
sentencing in for assault police.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Finny, before I let you go, I know the Police
Association has said that negotiations on a new pay agreement
have stalled with the government. What's the situation at this point?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
So the situation is the wages policies out Katie, which
limits to the three three percent per annum for all the
public sector employees. We're arguing that police aren't public sector
employees because again they don't go to work knowing that
they're going to be assaulted and knowing again only they're
going to have a car driven at them. Dealing with
crime levels that we haven't seen across Australia, which three
times more than the average across Australia. The workload that
(10:45):
our police are doing is phenomenal and we want to
them to be rewarded for what they're doing. We're seeing
other jurisdictions across Australia being offered five percent above five
percent pay rises and making a more attractive option for
our experienced members to go elsewhere to retain our experienced
members within the all and Territory, and we don't feel
that the three percent offered by the government peranum currently
(11:06):
is acceptable to our members.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Would five percent more hit the mark or do you
just want to be back at the table with them.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
We want to the table with an option to come forward.
We've put it forward our loger claims in respect to
the negotiation Cady and we haven't seen an offer come
back to us in respect to that. They've stayed strong
and saying that there's no back pay if we don't
come to an agreement. We're two thirds of the way
into our negotiation period CAATY and we still haven't seen
an option to come back to us. Our members are frustrated,
(11:34):
our members don't feel respected that they should be and
we warn the devastating impacts if the government doesn't come
to the table. They were voted in on a law
and order platform. They expect the police to carry out
majority of that work and to make sure that the
territories are safe for place. We're seeing that work being
undertaken every day by our members, and we want to
say that our members deserve to be rewarded and to
(11:54):
looked after.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Finny, I just want to ask you very quickly about
this story that's been reported on the ABC today. They've
obtained footage from back in April twenty twenty three which
shows three security guards man handling and one kicking a
person in the head in Darwin City. Now, I, in
no way, shape or form can dine violence against anybody.
(12:16):
I think that that is very safe to say, and
the footage is pretty appalling. However, it is relating to
these security guards. They're questioning whether these security guards are
needed in our CBD or anywhere around Darwin. I guess,
as the Four Corners report a little while back, did
I mean are we in a situation yet where we
(12:37):
have enough police to no longer need private security.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
We're definitely that position, Katie, and you've heard it time
and time again as we come on the radio station
all your listeners as well. We haven't enough police to
do the job we need to do it currently, so
hence there's security for a reason. If there wasn't a reason,
they wouldn't be there. We're seeing them deal with members
of the society that choose to misbehave. Unfortunately, in this
circumstance answers, I haven't seen the footage as available what
(13:02):
you're talking about, but again, if they have done something wrong,
they'll be investigation conducted, they'll be how to account for
that caddy, like anyone to court.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
As my understanding that security that security guard has ended
up going to court. I guess, you know the ABC
running it because they've got their hands on the footage.
But it just, you know, like to me, I just
sort of I questioned the outrage in a lot of
ways with that footage. I get the outrage, it's horrific,
but then I also question, you know, like, where's the
outrage when you've got women being allegedly raped in our CBD.
(13:31):
Where is the outrage when one hundred and one year
old you know, was robbed a couple of weeks ago.
There is so many issues at the moment that our
police are dealing with every single day. Those security guards
obviously trying to minimize things to some degree or help
people in the city to some degree.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
You don't know what's leading up to that either, Cady.
We're seeing a snapshot of a small piece of footage
and we don't know what's entailed to that. We don't
know if the offender's arm, we don't know anything about
the situation. Again, we're seeing a snapshot a little bit
of footage about it. And again, if he has gone
to court, he's been how to account. If the courts
deemed it appropriate for any sentencing to be part of that,
it's up to the court system and we as the police,
(14:12):
we were to investigated that and we will put that
before the court if that's this case.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Well, Nathan Finn, President of the Northern Territory Police Association,
always good to catch up with you. Really appreciate you
time this morning.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Always a pleasure coming in here and speaking to you
and on behalf of our members. We say thank you
for supporting our police and making sure that they can
do the best possible job that they can do, and
we're looking forward to getting on and doing what we
need to do and making sure that our members are supported.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Going well for I think our Northern Territory police work
incredibly hard under what can be incredibly difficult circumstances. So Finny,
thank you for your time. We'll catch up with you soon.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Thank you, thank you,
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