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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now, as we discussed yesterday with the Chief Minister, Leah Finocchiaro,
we know that tensions in some of the Northern territories
smaller towns have been boiling, with residents in Alice Springs
concerned after that serious assault which saw a twenty seven
year old man stabbed multiple times last week. An offender
has now been arrested and charged. As I understand it,
(00:20):
we know that that victim remains in hospital and that
was as a result of an altercation between around twenty people.
It blew up about five o'clock on Thursday on Gregory Terrace.
And unfortunately it's not the only concern. We know that
residents in Catherine as well are worried about what they've
described as an escalation of crime and just really bad behavior. Now,
(00:44):
the opposition leader Selena Ubo joins me on the line.
Good morning to you, Selena. Let's try that again. Hopefully
I've got her on the line there. Good morning to you, Selena.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Good morning Katie.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Good to have you on the show. Now, Selena, there
are some really unfortunately, you know, terrible situations that we've
seen over the last week or so. There was a
chakra in Alice springs with that person, a twenty seven
year old allegedly stabbed multiple times last week. Now, following
that incident, one local told the paper that people are
(01:17):
drinking in licensed venues and then causing trouble. Selena, do
you think it's time to introduce a BDR for licensed venues?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, Katie, we've been listening to some of the concerns
right across the NT, and I know you've been reporting
on it too. When it comes to some of that
alcohol harm in the NT that's becoming very very visible.
What are some of the other things that we can try?
And so yesterday I went out Katie to offer some
solutions to the government, some really quick things that could
(01:46):
be implemented that could build up to some of that
harm reduction when it comes to alcohol fuel violence across
the NT. And one of those suggestions that we provided
as the Labor opposition Katie is expanding the band drinkers registered.
But particularly when we're talking about problem clubs and pubs
and we all know the hotspots in the NT. So
if we get something up that the government could install
(02:09):
that focus is purely on those areas of concern, then
perhaps it could make a difference. So that's what we're
offering as a solution and really keen to see if
the government will take that up. Katie.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So, Selena, would it be all pubs and clubs or
just some.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Well, I think at this point, you know, like I said,
I think most people know where the little hotspots are
in their towns or community, so I think the focus
on problem clubs and pubs at the moment could be
a good start. I think the government's under a review
process I understand at the moment, Katie, around the BDR,
so obviously there'll be recommendations that come from that. Whether
(02:46):
they act on that or not yet to see. But
in terms of something that could be up and running
pretty quickly, Katie, I think that would be a good
place to start while this review is happening.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
So your I guess what you're saying is that you
are prepared to to support the Northern Territory government should
they go down that path. You'd be prepared to support
it immediately.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Well, I think the mount of people across the territory
who've suggested it already shows that you know, it's not
necessarily a labor idea. This is something we're advocating on
behalf of Territorians. But if we want to see something change, Katie,
we might we have to try something different, and if
we try it and it doesn't work, then it's unfortunately
back to the drawing board. But we've got to try
(03:26):
something new that if we're going to make a difference
to reduce that alcohol harm caused, sorry, alcohol violence that's
caused across the NT, Like, why not just do something
that can provide an intra measure. Now, what do you say.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
To any of those venues or clubs that you know
that I'm assuming would say, well, look, we already have
to have to provide a service where we are responsible
servers of alcohol, and we all ready you know, have
to check licenses when people come in to check that
they're of age, and introducing something like this would add
(04:01):
another element of difficulty to them when you know they
feel as though they're doing the right thing. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I understand that there's probably some concerns from licensed venues
around that and what this kind of conversation means if
it's going to impact their business in a negative way.
But what I would say to that, Katie, is that
alcohol harm, whether you're a drinker or not, at the
NT right now is affecting everybody. And the violence that
is caused in alcohol and the impact across the NT
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is affecting us, whether we live in the town or
the city that's happened, whether we know the person that's
happened to or not. It's affecting the Northern Territory. So
if we're talking about providing and offering solutions, we need
everyone on board, including our really great businesses, including our
organizations who deal with alcohol harm at the call phase,
our frontline services, to give them some reprieve and some
(04:50):
relief if we could do something that is a quick
intra measure while we work on those longer term solutions,
that is absolutely something that Labor is willing to do
with them Government.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Now Opposition leader. I know in Catherine you and I
spoke about this on Friday. Of course throughout the week
that was there's some really serious concerns about some of
the crime that's being experienced in Catherine. Now. We spoke
to local business owner Trent de Weeds last week and
he'd spoken about the fact that he's never seen so
many broken wine bottles around town. Have you experienced the
(05:23):
same or do you think the same and has that
reintroduction of cheaper alcohol had an impact. The Chief Minister
said on the show yesterday that you know that price
really hasn't gone down inside those takeaway out lets, so
she didn't think that that was the cause. What are your.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Thoughts, Yeah, Katie, I listened to Trent on your radio
interview last week. I actually saw him on Friday when
I got back to Catherine. We had a bit of
a chat as well, and we both had the same
feeling around I mean, I've only been a resident for
nine years, not as long as many other people in
the township, but we had the same concerns around that
really high level of visible drinking and the glass that
(06:02):
is in our main street of Catherine. So you know,
we had a bit of a conversation about some of
the things that have worked in the past what could
be brought back. So again I'll be trying to offer
some of those solutions to the government, Katie. But the
second part of what you asked, when we're talking about
the impact for the minimum unit price, what we've seen.
We've looked at the crime stats that were released by
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the government on Friday. Alcohol related assaults have gone up
eight percent since COLP. We've done like a year on
year comparison here Kati. We're very happy to share those
numbers across to you. But since the scrapping of that
minimum unit price, fifteen percent alcohol related assaults in the
Northern Territory. Prior to that, we had independent health data
(06:45):
that said alcohol harm and assaults was reduced fourteen percent.
So there's a very clear correlation with a fourteen percent
when the minimum unit for four place is in and
the fifteen percent increase now since the chain of that regulation,
so you know, the government wants to work on numbers,
and that's a very clear and startling contrast when it
(07:08):
comes to what could work and some of those measures.
It's not one measure. It's not a fixed at all measure,
of course, we know that. But if we're looking at
one measure or several measures, they all need to work
in tandem, and removing one often has an impact on
the community. What was in in a very short space.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
And it seems as well though from the outside looking in,
that the pallis coming off the bottle shops as well
has had an impact. What kind of impact do you
think that's had?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, I know I've spoken to palis in the past,
some of them have been people of known from different
workspace and who've gone into that role and have been
really proud to be in those roles. But they are
pretty stretched across the NT and unfortunately, when palies are
needed in one part, they're often taken off from another
part of the territory. Catherine as the example, because obviously
(08:01):
I live there, so that's where I see it, and
then there are gaps and people would like to see
they do believe Pali's work, and I think that that's
one of the other measures that we offered up to
the government. Yesterday. Katie was around ensuring that Pali's a
president at the bottle shop, so we can again see
some of that relief and some of that respite for
(08:22):
our towns and communities that are experiencing this high level
of alcohol in fueled violence from public drinking. Well.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
One of the other things as well that Trent spoke
to us about on Friday is kids running around trying
to steal people's property and generally running a mark in Catherine.
He reckons that they're catching a bus from the community
unsupervised and causing trouble. Do you know how kids are
able to get into town unsupervised, and I mean what
(08:51):
can sort of be done to try to get them home?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, Katie, I mean young people obviously always require that
extra special support if they're not getting it at home,
And I think that's a very clear message. This is
something we always talk about, you know, clear example of
root causes of crime. If young people are getting into trouble,
if they don't have adult supervision, if they're not in
a safe environment at home or wherever it is that
(09:15):
they're staying, then unfortunately we see the impact across the
community in a negative way. And that's you know, unfortunately
a spot on example that Trent's been able to provide.
I mean, there's a lot more work in this space,
but I think people are sick and tired of the
blame game, you know, or labor didn't do this, or
they did do that. Like, we want to be constructive
in this space. So if there are those real solutions
(09:37):
that the Steel Pick can offer, very keen to support
that if it's around you know, community responsibility. My team
and I obviously as Bush members, represent a large proportion
of different different communities in our electorates. There's also other
Bush electorates that could be working here and we could
be really constructive with some of the conversations around what
could happen to support young people, especially if they're not.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Super vite in terms of those well, the community. I
can't remember exactly which community he believed that that young
person had come in from, but you know, the communities
that potentially fall under your electorate. What do you like,
what do you think could happen or what would you
be prepared to do. I guess to work with locals
to try to ensure that it's not happening, because look,
(10:20):
I guess for me, I've got a fourteen year old,
you know, And I'd tell you what, there is no
way that my fourteen year old will be able to
catch a bus anywhere besides school unless I know about it. Now,
I totally understand what you're saying in terms of not
every child, you know, maybe having you know, that same
sort of that same upbringing. I one hundred percent get that.
(10:41):
But if we're in a situation where we've got kids
that are coming into town that are allegedly trying to
steal bags, you know, the week before last you and
I spoke about a senior territory and being knocked to
the ground, her pelvis then being broken. These are really serious.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Issues, absolutely, Katie. And it's a matter of it doesn't
matter if kids from town or from a bush community.
It's around what is happening with that young person to
have that negative behavior. What is happening to that young
person where they are not supervised. So I know the
government's talked about some of their changes and measures. Again,
(11:20):
whatever works and works in a positive way, we will
look at being constructive and supporting that. But it's not
an excuse. But with asking why does this happen? That's
a big reason. Why. What are the ways that we
can support that young person or perhaps they're family or
cara to make sure it doesn't happen. That's the big
conversation and there's unfortunately no quick fix. So what are
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the long term solutions that the COLP is offering up?
Our labor opposition really has some great ideas. We know
there's some community solutions. I think I spoke with you
a few weeks ago, Katie. Some of those law injustice
groups that are run and worked in community, they're not
going to work if they're not resourced and support. So
if that's part of the government's conversation and dialogue when
(12:03):
it comes to youth and solving youth crime, in particular
on this topic that you're talking about, Kay, then that
is something we will definitely work with the government in supporting.
But we need to have those community based solutions. And
when I say community, who include town.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Well, just a really quick one. Someone's just messaged through
and said who's providing the bus service for them to
get to town.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I wouldn't have been able to provide any of that
unless I know what community has been reference.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
All right, let's move along. Now we know that there
has indeed been some moves when it comes to key
positions in the Northern Territory. Last week Stuart Knowles permanently
appointed to the role of Territory Coordinator. Does the opposition
support that.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Appointment, Katie, This is a very big concern for us.
We know that the CLPS hung their hat very highly
when it comes to the Territory Coordinator and the legislation
to support this position. But it was a big con
where the legislation came in. We offered some amendments that
didn't get through, but ultimately the position does have unprecedented
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powers across the Northern Territory. It's obviously a highly paid position.
We're trying to get the figure of what that position
is paid. We don't have that detail, but we know
that last week Katie leofanokiar As the Chief Minister, signed
off on Stuart Knowles having a four year contract as
the Territory Coordinator. This is a concern because it shows
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her double standards. The process was not an open recruitment,
a very highly paid position and a new position was
not provided any vetting process or any open recruitment. We've
just seen a couple of months ago, Katie, what issues
can be concerned with that with the general public. And
we've further found out since the since Stuart Noles was
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that when he was the interim Territory Coordinator that there
has been animal cruelty allegations and that those investigations were
shut down. So I'm not sure where that sits with
anybody else, but for us as a labor opposition, that
is not a person we want making decisions in an
unprecedented powered role a Highlands.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I do want to say. In a statement to the
Northern Territory News, mister Noles said that the dogs were
temporarily removed from the property for tick removal treatment and
later returned. He said that following further pestro medial treatment
at that property, animal welfare officers did a final visit
to the property the next month to cite the dogs
and confirm they were in good condition, and concluded the investigation.
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He said, I fully cooperated with their inquiries and directions
and covered the costs of additional treatments to eradicate the
ticks and ensured the dogs were cared for. By the
sounds of it, you it doesn't sound as though you
feel as though that's an adequate response. It has been
raised with me. I guess though over the last couple
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of days as well, that there are a lot of
people with history in different ways. And you know, look,
I don't I don't really want to go in the gunner.
It's not where I like to, you know, to report.
But I know that certainly, when Manuel Brown, for example,
ran for politics and had previously, more than a decade ago,
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been involved in a fatal crash, I mean, should people
have to carry their mistakes for the rest of their lives?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Okay, this show's a double standard from Leofanocchiero because she
says that people need to face the consequences when they
do something wrong. This work that has been uncovered through
the reports that were I think they're all public now
that people have received the report show that someone a
member of the public who had similar incident around animal
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cruelty received air suspended six month jail sentence for similar
conduct to what Stuart Knowles, who is now the territory
coordinator for the next four years when he's alleged wrote
to the then CEO Alistatria requesting that the charges were dismissed.
Leo Finocchio tells everyone's consequences should be faced when someone
does the wrong thing, and yet here we are with
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an example where someone was able to get out of
any type of consequence for their wrongdoing. So it's the
double standards that doesn't sit well with me.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
There, Katie, well, opposition leaders Selena who Bo, we are
gonna have to leave it there. I've got Nathan Finn,
the president of the Police Association waiting outside the studios.
Thank you as always for your time. We'll talk to
you soon.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Thank you, Katie, thank you
Now, as we discussed yesterday with the Chief Minister, Leah Finocchiaro,
we know that tensions in some of the Northern territories
smaller towns have been boiling, with residents in Alice Springs
concerned after that serious assault which saw a twenty seven
year old man stabbed multiple times last week. An offender
has now been arrested and charged. As I understand it,
(00:20):
we know that that victim remains in hospital and that
was as a result of an altercation between around twenty people.
It blew up about five o'clock on Thursday on Gregory Terrace.
And unfortunately it's not the only concern. We know that
residents in Catherine as well are worried about what they've
described as an escalation of crime and just really bad behavior. Now,
(00:44):
the opposition leader Selena Ubo joins me on the line.
Good morning to you, Selena. Let's try that again. Hopefully
I've got her on the line there. Good morning to you, Selena.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Good morning Katie.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Good to have you on the show. Now, Selena, there
are some really unfortunately, you know, terrible situations that we've
seen over the last week or so. There was a
chakra in Alice springs with that person, a twenty seven
year old allegedly stabbed multiple times last week. Now, following
that incident, one local told the paper that people are
(01:17):
drinking in licensed venues and then causing trouble. Selena, do
you think it's time to introduce a BDR for licensed venues?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, Katie, we've been listening to some of the concerns
right across the NT, and I know you've been reporting
on it too. When it comes to some of that
alcohol harm in the NT that's becoming very very visible.
What are some of the other things that we can try?
And so yesterday I went out Katie to offer some
solutions to the government, some really quick things that could
(01:46):
be implemented that could build up to some of that
harm reduction when it comes to alcohol fuel violence across
the NT. And one of those suggestions that we provided
as the Labor opposition Katie is expanding the band drinkers registered.
But particularly when we're talking about problem clubs and pubs
and we all know the hotspots in the NT. So
if we get something up that the government could install
(02:09):
that focus is purely on those areas of concern, then
perhaps it could make a difference. So that's what we're
offering as a solution and really keen to see if
the government will take that up. Katie.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So, Selena, would it be all pubs and clubs or
just some.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Well, I think at this point, you know, like I said,
I think most people know where the little hotspots are
in their towns or community, so I think the focus
on problem clubs and pubs at the moment could be
a good start. I think the government's under a review
process I understand at the moment, Katie, around the BDR,
so obviously there'll be recommendations that come from that. Whether
(02:46):
they act on that or not yet to see. But
in terms of something that could be up and running
pretty quickly, Katie, I think that would be a good
place to start while this review is happening.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
So your I guess what you're saying is that you
are prepared to to support the Northern Territory government should
they go down that path. You'd be prepared to support
it immediately.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Well, I think the mount of people across the territory
who've suggested it already shows that you know, it's not
necessarily a labor idea. This is something we're advocating on
behalf of Territorians. But if we want to see something change, Katie,
we might we have to try something different, and if
we try it and it doesn't work, then it's unfortunately
back to the drawing board. But we've got to try
(03:26):
something new that if we're going to make a difference
to reduce that alcohol harm caused, sorry, alcohol violence that's
caused across the NT, Like, why not just do something
that can provide an intra measure. Now, what do you say.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
To any of those venues or clubs that you know
that I'm assuming would say, well, look, we already have
to have to provide a service where we are responsible
servers of alcohol, and we all ready you know, have
to check licenses when people come in to check that
they're of age, and introducing something like this would add
(04:01):
another element of difficulty to them when you know they
feel as though they're doing the right thing. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I understand that there's probably some concerns from licensed venues
around that and what this kind of conversation means if
it's going to impact their business in a negative way.
But what I would say to that, Katie, is that
alcohol harm, whether you're a drinker or not, at the
NT right now is affecting everybody. And the violence that
is caused in alcohol and the impact across the NT
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is affecting us, whether we live in the town or
the city that's happened, whether we know the person that's
happened to or not. It's affecting the Northern Territory. So
if we're talking about providing and offering solutions, we need
everyone on board, including our really great businesses, including our
organizations who deal with alcohol harm at the call phase,
our frontline services, to give them some reprieve and some
(04:50):
relief if we could do something that is a quick
intra measure while we work on those longer term solutions,
that is absolutely something that Labor is willing to do
with them Government.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Now Opposition leader. I know in Catherine you and I
spoke about this on Friday. Of course throughout the week
that was there's some really serious concerns about some of
the crime that's being experienced in Catherine. Now. We spoke
to local business owner Trent de Weeds last week and
he'd spoken about the fact that he's never seen so
many broken wine bottles around town. Have you experienced the
(05:23):
same or do you think the same and has that
reintroduction of cheaper alcohol had an impact. The Chief Minister
said on the show yesterday that you know that price
really hasn't gone down inside those takeaway out lets, so
she didn't think that that was the cause. What are your.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Thoughts, Yeah, Katie, I listened to Trent on your radio
interview last week. I actually saw him on Friday when
I got back to Catherine. We had a bit of
a chat as well, and we both had the same
feeling around I mean, I've only been a resident for
nine years, not as long as many other people in
the township, but we had the same concerns around that
really high level of visible drinking and the glass that
(06:02):
is in our main street of Catherine. So you know,
we had a bit of a conversation about some of
the things that have worked in the past what could
be brought back. So again I'll be trying to offer
some of those solutions to the government, Katie. But the
second part of what you asked, when we're talking about
the impact for the minimum unit price, what we've seen.
We've looked at the crime stats that were released by
(06:23):
the government on Friday. Alcohol related assaults have gone up
eight percent since COLP. We've done like a year on
year comparison here Kati. We're very happy to share those
numbers across to you. But since the scrapping of that
minimum unit price, fifteen percent alcohol related assaults in the
Northern Territory. Prior to that, we had independent health data
(06:45):
that said alcohol harm and assaults was reduced fourteen percent.
So there's a very clear correlation with a fourteen percent
when the minimum unit for four place is in and
the fifteen percent increase now since the chain of that regulation,
so you know, the government wants to work on numbers,
and that's a very clear and startling contrast when it
(07:08):
comes to what could work and some of those measures.
It's not one measure. It's not a fixed at all measure,
of course, we know that. But if we're looking at
one measure or several measures, they all need to work
in tandem, and removing one often has an impact on
the community. What was in in a very short space.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
And it seems as well though from the outside looking in,
that the pallis coming off the bottle shops as well
has had an impact. What kind of impact do you
think that's had?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, I know I've spoken to palis in the past,
some of them have been people of known from different
workspace and who've gone into that role and have been
really proud to be in those roles. But they are
pretty stretched across the NT and unfortunately, when palies are
needed in one part, they're often taken off from another
part of the territory. Catherine as the example, because obviously
(08:01):
I live there, so that's where I see it, and
then there are gaps and people would like to see
they do believe Pali's work, and I think that that's
one of the other measures that we offered up to
the government. Yesterday. Katie was around ensuring that Pali's a
president at the bottle shop, so we can again see
some of that relief and some of that respite for
(08:22):
our towns and communities that are experiencing this high level
of alcohol in fueled violence from public drinking. Well.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
One of the other things as well that Trent spoke
to us about on Friday is kids running around trying
to steal people's property and generally running a mark in Catherine.
He reckons that they're catching a bus from the community
unsupervised and causing trouble. Do you know how kids are
able to get into town unsupervised, and I mean what
(08:51):
can sort of be done to try to get them home?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, Katie, I mean young people obviously always require that
extra special support if they're not getting it at home,
And I think that's a very clear message. This is
something we always talk about, you know, clear example of
root causes of crime. If young people are getting into trouble,
if they don't have adult supervision, if they're not in
a safe environment at home or wherever it is that
(09:15):
they're staying, then unfortunately we see the impact across the
community in a negative way. And that's you know, unfortunately
a spot on example that Trent's been able to provide.
I mean, there's a lot more work in this space,
but I think people are sick and tired of the
blame game, you know, or labor didn't do this, or
they did do that. Like, we want to be constructive
in this space. So if there are those real solutions
(09:37):
that the Steel Pick can offer, very keen to support
that if it's around you know, community responsibility. My team
and I obviously as Bush members, represent a large proportion
of different different communities in our electorates. There's also other
Bush electorates that could be working here and we could
be really constructive with some of the conversations around what
could happen to support young people, especially if they're not.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Super vite in terms of those well, the community. I
can't remember exactly which community he believed that that young
person had come in from, but you know, the communities
that potentially fall under your electorate. What do you like,
what do you think could happen or what would you
be prepared to do. I guess to work with locals
to try to ensure that it's not happening, because look,
(10:20):
I guess for me, I've got a fourteen year old,
you know, And I'd tell you what, there is no
way that my fourteen year old will be able to
catch a bus anywhere besides school unless I know about it. Now,
I totally understand what you're saying in terms of not
every child, you know, maybe having you know, that same
sort of that same upbringing. I one hundred percent get that.
(10:41):
But if we're in a situation where we've got kids
that are coming into town that are allegedly trying to
steal bags, you know, the week before last you and
I spoke about a senior territory and being knocked to
the ground, her pelvis then being broken. These are really serious.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Issues, absolutely, Katie. And it's a matter of it doesn't
matter if kids from town or from a bush community.
It's around what is happening with that young person to
have that negative behavior. What is happening to that young
person where they are not supervised. So I know the
government's talked about some of their changes and measures. Again,
(11:20):
whatever works and works in a positive way, we will
look at being constructive and supporting that. But it's not
an excuse. But with asking why does this happen? That's
a big reason. Why. What are the ways that we
can support that young person or perhaps they're family or
cara to make sure it doesn't happen. That's the big
conversation and there's unfortunately no quick fix. So what are
(11:43):
the long term solutions that the COLP is offering up?
Our labor opposition really has some great ideas. We know
there's some community solutions. I think I spoke with you
a few weeks ago, Katie. Some of those law injustice
groups that are run and worked in community, they're not
going to work if they're not resourced and support. So
if that's part of the government's conversation and dialogue when
(12:03):
it comes to youth and solving youth crime, in particular
on this topic that you're talking about, Kay, then that
is something we will definitely work with the government in supporting.
But we need to have those community based solutions. And
when I say community, who include town.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Well, just a really quick one. Someone's just messaged through
and said who's providing the bus service for them to
get to town.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I wouldn't have been able to provide any of that
unless I know what community has been reference.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
All right, let's move along. Now we know that there
has indeed been some moves when it comes to key
positions in the Northern Territory. Last week Stuart Knowles permanently
appointed to the role of Territory Coordinator. Does the opposition
support that.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Appointment, Katie, This is a very big concern for us.
We know that the CLPS hung their hat very highly
when it comes to the Territory Coordinator and the legislation
to support this position. But it was a big con
where the legislation came in. We offered some amendments that
didn't get through, but ultimately the position does have unprecedented
(13:07):
powers across the Northern Territory. It's obviously a highly paid position.
We're trying to get the figure of what that position
is paid. We don't have that detail, but we know
that last week Katie leofanokiar As the Chief Minister, signed
off on Stuart Knowles having a four year contract as
the Territory Coordinator. This is a concern because it shows
(13:28):
her double standards. The process was not an open recruitment,
a very highly paid position and a new position was
not provided any vetting process or any open recruitment. We've
just seen a couple of months ago, Katie, what issues
can be concerned with that with the general public. And
we've further found out since the since Stuart Noles was
(13:51):
that when he was the interim Territory Coordinator that there
has been animal cruelty allegations and that those investigations were
shut down. So I'm not sure where that sits with
anybody else, but for us as a labor opposition, that
is not a person we want making decisions in an
unprecedented powered role a Highlands.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I do want to say. In a statement to the
Northern Territory News, mister Noles said that the dogs were
temporarily removed from the property for tick removal treatment and
later returned. He said that following further pestro medial treatment
at that property, animal welfare officers did a final visit
to the property the next month to cite the dogs
and confirm they were in good condition, and concluded the investigation.
(14:36):
He said, I fully cooperated with their inquiries and directions
and covered the costs of additional treatments to eradicate the
ticks and ensured the dogs were cared for. By the
sounds of it, you it doesn't sound as though you
feel as though that's an adequate response. It has been
raised with me. I guess though over the last couple
(14:57):
of days as well, that there are a lot of
people with history in different ways. And you know, look,
I don't I don't really want to go in the gunner.
It's not where I like to, you know, to report.
But I know that certainly, when Manuel Brown, for example,
ran for politics and had previously, more than a decade ago,
(15:18):
been involved in a fatal crash, I mean, should people
have to carry their mistakes for the rest of their lives?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Okay, this show's a double standard from Leofanocchiero because she
says that people need to face the consequences when they
do something wrong. This work that has been uncovered through
the reports that were I think they're all public now
that people have received the report show that someone a
member of the public who had similar incident around animal
(15:49):
cruelty received air suspended six month jail sentence for similar
conduct to what Stuart Knowles, who is now the territory
coordinator for the next four years when he's alleged wrote
to the then CEO Alistatria requesting that the charges were dismissed.
Leo Finocchio tells everyone's consequences should be faced when someone
does the wrong thing, and yet here we are with
(16:10):
an example where someone was able to get out of
any type of consequence for their wrongdoing. So it's the
double standards that doesn't sit well with me.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
There, Katie, well, opposition leaders Selena who Bo, we are
gonna have to leave it there. I've got Nathan Finn,
the president of the Police Association waiting outside the studios.
Thank you as always for your time. We'll talk to
you soon.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Thank you, Katie, thank you
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