Charlamagne tha God talks his new book, Get Honest or Die Lying, in stores now!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Fly from the Mercedes Benz interview lounge.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Look at that Mercedes Benz is paying for this.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Whoever that was playing, I think that she thinks the
guy is a womanizer. Why but I just feel that way.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
That was Britney's spear.
Speaker 4 (00:12):
Brit Brittany, Brittany, bitch, what up Brittany?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
So Charlemagne and the gods here? Hi, Charlemagne, what's up?
Speaker 4 (00:18):
Godfather?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
You always bring you always bring this incredible energy into
into our lives.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Learning a lot about him? Can I say what he
just toold?
Speaker 4 (00:28):
What I said?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Okay, Well we're looking at his new book which we
got to talk about it called Get Honest or Die Lying?
Why small talk sucks? We're not having these meaningful conversations.
We have time to do them, but for some reason
we don't. We're not going down that road. But on
the back is this photo of Charlemagne and you look
damn fine in this photo and.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
My channeling Mars Chestnut. That's what I was doing for
That's that was my moves in my brain. And you
have this beautiful sweater ar to get back.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
That's what my question was, Well I love that sweater.
Do you still have it? And your answer was no,
I can't.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
The tag was still in it and I took it
back right after the photo shoot. What is the point
of wearing something that expensive in public? That's right, you
put it on.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
I didn't want to wear it. Put the back of
the book. Actually, but you.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Know, okay, See we're doing the thing we don't like
to do. We're judging a book by its color. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Well, it's the back of the book.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
So okay. So if I get on the elevator to
come up in the morning, you know someone else is
on the elevator. Hey, wow, hot out day. It's a
hot day. They go their separate ways. That happens because
you're with them. For us a fleeting moment. But if
I'm out to dinner with someone who I find fascinating,
if I had dinner with you, I don't think I
would I think I would feel our dinner time together
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was a waste if we didn't talk about something that
was meaningful too. Absolutely, And that's what this book is about.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
That's what the book is about.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
And that's why I say why small talk sucks, because
I hate you know, the literal just micro conversations that
we have with each other like just the meaningless chit chat.
But also, man, we live in this era right now.
You have all of this social media, you have all
of these ways to communicate, but we're really not saying anything.
And you know, you could be at dinner with somebody
and just sit there and you know, how is your day?
(02:06):
Oh you look nice? You know what we're here for.
The dinner is for something, so let's just get to it.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Well, that's the thing though, for our show, for instance,
versus your show Breakfast Club, you guys go down some
some some great roads and talk about very meaningful things
that affect many people emotionally and politically. We don't do
that on that show.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
No we don't.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
We do.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
We did fart jokes, and we keep it all simple.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
You can have meaningful far jokes.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
You can another lesson to be learned, like I don't
fart in my clothes.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
You don't know, well, you know when.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
He goes to the bathroom. I know when Charlotteane's in
a stall because all his clothes are in a pile
hanging or hanging up on us.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Right, I get naked, you get totally naked.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
But how do you not what if you feel far
coming on, it comes on right away. You don't know it.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
No, no, no, I have control. I have more control
over my both than that. Look at that. Your's a
practice and rehearsal. You can put butt kegless.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
That's the fun thing. We can actually do keigos right
now and we wouldn't even know Hold on saying I'm.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Exactly me too. Let me feel by the way, this
is a macro conversation. You know why because there's somebody
out there dealing with lose booty and they've been trying
to figure out how not to have a lose booty,
And we just talked mbut egles aversation.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
What what is it about going through life that made
you go, I gotta I gotta tell everyone what I'm
thinking about these meaningless conversations we're having because we got
we're getting nothing done by having these conversations.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yeah, a lot of it is social media because we
we we spend so much time making these micros macros,
and so when there are these big macro issues in
the world, we don't even know how to deal with.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Examples, give us like a big conversation going on right
now in pop culture or whatever. There's just a what diddy,
let's talky about ditty. See. I think that I think
there's a meaningful conversation.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, but I think that if you focus on the individual,
you'll mix, you'll miss the issue. And the issue is
domestic violence, right. The issue is you know, men going
out there and actually doing the work on themselves, so
they stopped projecting that pain and that hurt onto other people.
The issue is patriarchy, right, because when you got a
bunch of hurt men running around, you know, those hurt
men will hurt people. And if the patriarchy is structured
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in a way to where men always feel superior to women,
and that's the type of things that you know they
will do. Like, that's the bigger conversation to me than
just you know, focusing on the celebrity of it all.
Because right now, as we're having this discussion, there's a
woman waking up to a man that's beating on her
or abusing her right now, and she's not getting the
news coverage and nobody's talking about her. So the issue
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we should be talking about is domestic violence, and you know,
men going out there to do the work on themselves,
so they stopped projecting that pain on the other people.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Oh and also like changing the subject, he changed the
subject to about him.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Oh Diddy's did.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
He came out with his apology which was not helping
any woman out there. It was just about him covering
his eyes because he's still focused on his brand. Him
and his team are still sitting around focusing on how
they can fix the professional. The professional is over and
he should only be thinking about getting his soul right
and get and getting right, you know, with his family's lineage,
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that's what he should be be focused on. He shouldn't
even be thinking about nothing to do professor, nothing to
do professionally. Also, we should be able to identify what
a shadow conversation is versus a meaningful conversation. For instance,
when Diddy comes out. I'm using this as an example
of the moment. If Diddy comes out apologizing but not
really apologizing, it's really turning it into his spin. We
should just move on and get to the real issue,
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which is domestic violence. Let's say you and I go
out to dinner and you see me doing my typical
Elvis thing.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Wow, do you want to go out to dinner? Godfather?
You haven't been to one in a minute.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Okay, but yeah, yes, I'm you know, I'm always out
for Yeah, I have to eat.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
As you say, you know what, you know what they
say about cocktails? Pull me want to tell me one? Yeah,
that's right, that's Elvis Duran line. Serve.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
We want to tell me what that look though? You
want you say, hey, you know, I know this Elvis
has a lot more going on under the hood than
just talking about far jokes. How can we turn a
simple meeting into a meaningful conversation? What would you do, like,
what would you do to spark that?
Speaker 4 (06:07):
I would just tell you.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I would say, hey, man, I really want to talk
to you about something, and I would get into it.
That's why the book is also called Get on Us
or Die Lying, because we all wake up every day
and we find these ways to likelide to ourselves. We
find these ways, you know, to mask what's really going
on with us. Talk about it like y'all are really
really close, right everybody in this room. If you really
got something on your mind, just put it out there,
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like if you don't want to come in and you know,
just laugh and joke because you're trying to deflect from something.
And I'm sure Daniel you probably been working with him
so long as you know when there's actually something really
going on, when there's an underlying.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Issue, right, And she'll ask me from time to time,
but sometimes you're like me, You're like to bury it
a cat boss, you.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Know, because when nowadays, I think, after COVID, especially when
you ask somebody how they're doing, you better be prepared
for that, reallyss.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Oh yeah, So when you sat down and you asked
me how I'm doing, and I kiddingly said, oh, not good,
because people never hear that.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
I would ready to hear whatever you have to tell me.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I think, actually, not everything's good, but I have a
list of things that I'm having a little issue with.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
But don't we all findsoutely that's right.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Okay, But turning a meaningless conversation into an important conversation,
a micro into a macro, what is the importance behind that?
What is it doing to change our trajectory in life?
If we can just talk about peanut butter and jelly
sandwiches for an hour? But why is that wasting our time?
Because you're not gonna learn anything from it.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
You know, whatever you're dealing with, you're still probably gonna
be dealing with after it's gone. If I'm not honest
with the people that I'm around about what I'm going through,
those people might have some resources that they can point
me in the right direction, you know, to actually, you know,
get the help I need, or they might know somebody
that can help me with whatever I'm dealing with. Like,
you know, I hate hearing these stories about somebody that
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you might have just been with, laughing joke and having
a good time, and then a couple of weeks later
you hear, oh, they committed suicide or something like that.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Not to get that deep with it, but no, I
just don't know. You just don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I don't think we shouldn't run from having any important,
heavy conversations with each other. And like, like I said,
I feel like this we're in an era right now
where we make micros macros, So when the actual macros
come across our desk, we don't know how to deal
with them.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Are we don't deal with them at all?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
So this book, excuse me, sorry, paulin this book is
taking us down several different avenues I'm assuming I haven't
read it yet about how to instigate conversation.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Yeah, I embark up that's right.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I end every chapter with let's discuss And I'm giving
people the freedom to simply say, hey, I don't want
to talk about this right now. Like you know, I'm
not interested in having this conversation. I think it's perfectly
okay to sit in silence if you want to. It's
perfectly okay to get on your phone if you want to.
If you're on the plane and you don't feel like
talking to somebody, is perfectly okay to set that boundary
(08:50):
and say, hey, I don't feel like discussing this right now,
but if you do want to discuss it, I give
you a whole bunch of topics in that book to
talk about.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
And I'm not an expert at anything.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I'm just giving you some things to discuss, and you know,
you put them on the table and y'all continue the conversation.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
I like to light the fire the flame and then run,
like I used to do it at home, Like with politics.
The whole family would be and I'd say, what do
y'all think about this?
Speaker 4 (09:14):
But that's good?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
But then I get up and leave, and my father
would say, if you bring that up again, you are
not coming to the table anymore.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
They call that farting on the elevator exactly. That's what
you should do when you fart, you should get up
from the table.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
So you bring up politics, let's talk about it. I
love your outlook on the political scene right now. You've
got Biden, You've got Trump, right, you're president Trump, President Biden,
and what And one of the reasons we don't bring
up politics on our show is because in this division,
in this divisive world, we live in division.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Devisive.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Whither you have to be all left or all right.
There is no there is no crossover.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
And that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
And if you if you're if you say that Trump
did something, that he said something today that really made
sense to me, then everyone on the left is like, oh,
you're a Trump lover. And then vice versa Biden, and
you're saying, this is not the real world. And this
is a great conversation to have with everyone, by.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
The way, and you know that if you actually experience
the real world, and if you stay on social media
all day, if you watch cable news all day, you'll
think people are just thinking on those two extremes.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Because especially if that's what you think, that's all that's
going to pop up on your feet.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
But if you actually go out into the world and
you actually talk to people and you have conversations, you'll
see that there are more people who are you know,
in the middle, in the middle of it all, and
like you know, a lot of people don't even care.
Once again about the individuals. I think we waste so
much time talking about individuals. I don't like either one
of the candidates, right, but I know that I'm voting
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this year to preserve democracy, right, so I'm going to
vote for the person who I think that can preserve
democracy the best. But I think that we should be
talking about issues, not individuals. If you start talking about individuals,
you're gonna lose every time. As soon as you bring
up Trump, somebody has a reaction to it. So as
you bring up body and somebody has a reaction to it.
But if you talk about actual issues, all we can
all have a conversation about those.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
There you go and not be afraid to have conversations.
A lot of people are like I'd rather kind of
tiptoe around that, walking on eggshells, because controversial conversation is
such a downer for a lot of people, maybe because
of where they're from Maybe they're just they don't feel
like they're entitled to give their opinion, or.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Maybe because we label people as soon as you bring
something up, Like you said earlier, Elvis, if you just
look at something a different way and all of a
sudden you get labeled as something, it's exactly no, I'm
just trying to be objective. I think that you should
be able to see things from somebody else's perspective. I
think you should go out of your way to try
to see things from somebody else's perspective. At times, I'm
loving the text messages. I think they're still kind of
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they're just still talking about domestic violence from the Didty
conversation earlier. But you know, if ever we talk about
anything political in the show, the text message is just flame.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
They go up.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
They don't talk about it.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Y'all are humans? Y'all gonna vote?
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Y'all, y'all pay attention to social issues? Well absolutely, Elvis,
you are walking so.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
My god, finding someone figured me out. I just want
to have we gotten soft as a society, And if so, why.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Why are we repair?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Because everything is offensive? If everything's offensive, nothing everything is offensive.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Everybody sensitive because we're just afraid to have conversations, like
we should be allowed to sit down and agree to disagree.
We should be able to have differences but still have
respect for each other. Like I shouldn't, you know, disrespect
you just because I disagree with you.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
And that's that's literally what I'm.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Say that again, because this is this is the bumper
sticker everyone should have. If you have bumper stickers or
bumper say that again.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
I should be able to disagree with you without disrespecting exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
But you see, we know because we're dealing with millions
of people at a at a crawl, right, there are
so many people that will don't burn your house down,
they will get torches. The villagers will come up to
your castle and burn here, doctor Frankens.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
It's ridiculous. And that's that's literally what this book is for.
Get honest or dieline, why small talk sels, I'm just
here to open up conversation, and I want all of
us to start being honest with ourselves because I feel
like we wake up every day and we put on
these masks, right, and we put on these fronts for society,
and we end up lying to ourselves and volunteering those
lives to other people. How can we survive as a
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coach like that? How can we survive in a society
like that with everybody just lying to each other?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Well, and when it's time, when it's your turn to
like go, that's what you're gonna look back on, a
life of me just walking around with a mask, because
beneath that mask is the real person.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
And then when you when you're gone, people start, you know,
digging into your life and they'd be like, Wow, I
didn't know that person was into that.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
I didn't know they was into that. I didn't know
they felt that way. I didn't let it felt that
way because you.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Didn't know me, because you didn't take the time to
get the real know me, because you scared me into
wearing a mask my whole life.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
It's a two way thing.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Though.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I didn't tell you about me and you didn't ask
about me.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
So this is where we gotta like turn the key.
I need to be asking about you and you need
to be able to tell me.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
And you got to be willing to deal when I
when I say hey, how are you, and I tell
you how I really am? You got to be willing
to accept that. You got to be willing to accept
all that comes with that.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
The book is get Honest or Die Lying Why small
talk sucks? From Charlemagne to God. Yes, and I'm gonna
read that title again in a seconduse. I want everyone
to buy us.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yes, And I'll be at I'll be at Barnes and
Nobles today and on New York and New York on
Fifth Avenue at one pm. And then I'll be at
Barnes and Noble in Paramus at five pm signing copies of.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
The book tour.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I forgot how that that was a lot of fun.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
The books are fun when you do.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
When you do a book tours, people come out and
they really want to connect with you.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
I love that though, Like this is why I love
doing morning radio and I love writing books and stuff
because we actually get to talk to people. So being
that we actually get to talk to people, we understand
what people are really feeling. So a lot of times
I get in trouble for simply, you know, reflecting what
I've seen and heard people say, just having conversations with them,
like the regular everyday constituents that these politicians want, you know,
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uh want want want to want people want them to vote.
We get to talk to him every day. Like right now,
you got all of those questions coming in through your
you know, your chat, and you get to talk to
those people. You are anything on the front lines of
American society.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Well you have to go and I'll tell you why. Okay,
loving Charlemagne, Sorry Elvis, you just lost a listener in me.
I'm jumping on the Charlemagne bandwagon.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Oh just flip back and forth.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Now they gave three hearts, said joke. He'll never lose me. Jesus.
I got to ask you one more question for you,
le Why is it when we have beautiful catering and
lots of food out here, we always invite the breakfast
club and all the producers.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Up to eat.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
When you guys get food, we are never ever informed.
It's the This is why Gandhi Gandhi is not here today.
She wants me to ask you this question.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I always say, go invite Elvis the specifically because y'all always.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Have invite They don't listen.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Wow, but you know I did tell Max starts stop
embarrassing us.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
You know, Big Mac is like six five. I love him.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
He comes down, He'll come down and eat.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Of course, he's four hundred pounds. But he's embarrassing. He
comes down here and he does too much. I'm like,
come on, Mac, he's stop.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
He can take all he wants.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
He's the happiest person and they I love talking to.
He's so happy.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
But don't go a walking stereotype. Mac.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Youst said the word fly four hundred pounds. Don't act
like it just because there's food there. You almost said
the word jolly.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Do not use the word jolly, dolly brown giant.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
See him now, I'm gonna call him jolly brown.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Brown giant.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
No, look, no, no, no, don't. I don't know what you're
telling your people now. No, they're not coming in here
and telling. But when we've got a buffet, we're always
I do tell him all the time. I got to
make sure Reitery, you need to take charge down there.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Man.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
You need to tell him to read that damn book.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
This this buffet thing has me just pissed off.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
I got you.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
I promise next time and you guys get good food,
I'll come tell you myself.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
I always do.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
I tell Diamond all the diamond, Diamond, I tell her
all the time. And now we'd be having food down there.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
You've never Diamond, Why would.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
You lie like that? And you heard the new book
from Charlene called Lies, Lies, and More Lies. That's the
next one. All the crap I've been lying about lining
to the Z one of the morning show that you know, so.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I do talk about how you know, I'm not gonna
say I'll be lying to my therapist, but I mean
when I go to therapy, I haven't been completely honest.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Oh my god, you just had a nerve with me,
because when I was in therapy, I directed those conversations
in order to get the answer I wanted.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, what exactly? That's stupid.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
I went on a spiritual retreat back in February, me
and my wife and one of the things that came
up for me was stop lying to yourself and stop
volunteering those lies to other people. And it's like, it's
not like I'm lying to my therapist. I'm just I'm
not telling them everything, telling them that's enough. Like you said,
directing the conversation to hear what I want to hear.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
That's lying. It is eliminating is lying.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
You just made me accept an uncomfortable truth.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Accept that, and I also accept the fact that you
guys are bringing your catering down.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Next tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
What do you have tomorrow?
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I don't know, but I'm gonna make sure that we
got catering, just to tell you I'm here. I'm here
to hers that we have it down. Yeah, I'm here tomorrow.
I got you some mac and cheese. Will be nice
that you want some soul fool I do? I got easy?
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Have you been?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
That's been holding me down for a long time because
I used to have her cater at my my TV
show and I have my TV shows at Central. But
also after my wife had her had our children, she
would cater like these. She would do like these meal
preps for my wife so my wife didn't have to cook.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yeah, I've been knowing for nice husband.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
I think I've learned. I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
My friend Island, she's getting finally, she's getting massive, massive
because of you. No, no, no, no, don't change that.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
No no. The New York Times, I read that it's.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Because of her, because she she dips that love and
every single morning and very very clairvoyant. She is very
very We had to get rid of We had to
get out of here. She's wasting. I should have changed
her name but Claire. All right, so Charlamage the God
always always wonderful to have you here. You get honest
or die lying Why small talk sucks and now we
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learn even your small talking to yourself sucks.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
That's the worst part. Stop lying to yourself.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Stop small talking to yourself, man, start to start talking big,
start thinking big, and more importantly, stop lying to yourself
and stop volunteering those lives of other people.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
One word for you, catering. Don't beat my donkey of
a day.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Now, man, please get Elvis some food. I don't make
sure you eat my boobies.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Boobies are touching my knee cap.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Make sure you will get Elvis and night soul. I'm
I'm the.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Jolly white giant Charlotte.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
We love you, Go do your show.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
And he's down there like he's late. We got lay.
You're gonna get out of here.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Thanks, we're gonna can you're ask get out of here?
Speaker 4 (20:14):
I love you.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Right, he's going the wrong way. It's faster this way,
is it?
Speaker 4 (20:19):
He cuts through the back. We have a back Oh yeah,
oh yeah, we have a secret door.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I didn't I didn't know about that secret door till recently.
And I go where are these people going? And then
I followed somebody and I'm like, oh my gosh, I
didn't even know this was here.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
It's a maze of rats and we're the rats.
Fly from the Mercedes Benz interview lounge.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Look at that Mercedes Benz is paying for this.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Whoever that was playing, I think that she thinks the
guy is a womanizer. Why but I just feel that way.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
That was Britney's spear.
Speaker 4 (00:12):
Brit Brittany, Brittany, bitch, what up Brittany?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
So Charlemagne and the gods here? Hi, Charlemagne, what's up?
Speaker 4 (00:18):
Godfather?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
You always bring you always bring this incredible energy into
into our lives.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Learning a lot about him? Can I say what he
just toold?
Speaker 4 (00:28):
What I said?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Okay, Well we're looking at his new book which we
got to talk about it called Get Honest or Die Lying?
Why small talk sucks? We're not having these meaningful conversations.
We have time to do them, but for some reason
we don't. We're not going down that road. But on
the back is this photo of Charlemagne and you look
damn fine in this photo and.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
My channeling Mars Chestnut. That's what I was doing for
That's that was my moves in my brain. And you
have this beautiful sweater ar to get back.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
That's what my question was, Well I love that sweater.
Do you still have it? And your answer was no,
I can't.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
The tag was still in it and I took it
back right after the photo shoot. What is the point
of wearing something that expensive in public? That's right, you
put it on.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
I didn't want to wear it. Put the back of
the book. Actually, but you.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Know, okay, See we're doing the thing we don't like
to do. We're judging a book by its color. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Well, it's the back of the book.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
So okay. So if I get on the elevator to
come up in the morning, you know someone else is
on the elevator. Hey, wow, hot out day. It's a
hot day. They go their separate ways. That happens because
you're with them. For us a fleeting moment. But if
I'm out to dinner with someone who I find fascinating,
if I had dinner with you, I don't think I
would I think I would feel our dinner time together
(01:38):
was a waste if we didn't talk about something that
was meaningful too. Absolutely, And that's what this book is about.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
That's what the book is about.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
And that's why I say why small talk sucks, because
I hate you know, the literal just micro conversations that
we have with each other like just the meaningless chit chat.
But also, man, we live in this era right now.
You have all of this social media, you have all
of these ways to communicate, but we're really not saying anything.
And you know, you could be at dinner with somebody
and just sit there and you know, how is your day?
(02:06):
Oh you look nice? You know what we're here for.
The dinner is for something, so let's just get to it.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Well, that's the thing though, for our show, for instance,
versus your show Breakfast Club, you guys go down some
some some great roads and talk about very meaningful things
that affect many people emotionally and politically. We don't do
that on that show.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
No we don't.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
We do.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
We did fart jokes, and we keep it all simple.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
You can have meaningful far jokes.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
You can another lesson to be learned, like I don't
fart in my clothes.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
You don't know, well, you know when.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
He goes to the bathroom. I know when Charlotteane's in
a stall because all his clothes are in a pile
hanging or hanging up on us.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Right, I get naked, you get totally naked.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
But how do you not what if you feel far
coming on, it comes on right away. You don't know it.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
No, no, no, I have control. I have more control
over my both than that. Look at that. Your's a
practice and rehearsal. You can put butt kegless.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
That's the fun thing. We can actually do keigos right
now and we wouldn't even know Hold on saying I'm.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Exactly me too. Let me feel by the way, this
is a macro conversation. You know why because there's somebody
out there dealing with lose booty and they've been trying
to figure out how not to have a lose booty,
And we just talked mbut egles aversation.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
What what is it about going through life that made
you go, I gotta I gotta tell everyone what I'm
thinking about these meaningless conversations we're having because we got
we're getting nothing done by having these conversations.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yeah, a lot of it is social media because we
we we spend so much time making these micros macros,
and so when there are these big macro issues in
the world, we don't even know how to deal with.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Examples, give us like a big conversation going on right
now in pop culture or whatever. There's just a what diddy,
let's talky about ditty. See. I think that I think
there's a meaningful conversation.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, but I think that if you focus on the individual,
you'll mix, you'll miss the issue. And the issue is
domestic violence, right. The issue is you know, men going
out there and actually doing the work on themselves, so
they stopped projecting that pain and that hurt onto other people.
The issue is patriarchy, right, because when you got a
bunch of hurt men running around, you know, those hurt
men will hurt people. And if the patriarchy is structured
(04:12):
in a way to where men always feel superior to women,
and that's the type of things that you know they
will do. Like, that's the bigger conversation to me than
just you know, focusing on the celebrity of it all.
Because right now, as we're having this discussion, there's a
woman waking up to a man that's beating on her
or abusing her right now, and she's not getting the
news coverage and nobody's talking about her. So the issue
(04:35):
we should be talking about is domestic violence, and you know,
men going out there to do the work on themselves,
so they stopped projecting that pain on the other people.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Oh and also like changing the subject, he changed the
subject to about him.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Oh Diddy's did.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
He came out with his apology which was not helping
any woman out there. It was just about him covering
his eyes because he's still focused on his brand. Him
and his team are still sitting around focusing on how
they can fix the professional. The professional is over and
he should only be thinking about getting his soul right
and get and getting right, you know, with his family's lineage,
(05:10):
that's what he should be be focused on. He shouldn't
even be thinking about nothing to do professor, nothing to
do professionally. Also, we should be able to identify what
a shadow conversation is versus a meaningful conversation. For instance,
when Diddy comes out. I'm using this as an example
of the moment. If Diddy comes out apologizing but not
really apologizing, it's really turning it into his spin. We
should just move on and get to the real issue,
(05:31):
which is domestic violence. Let's say you and I go
out to dinner and you see me doing my typical
Elvis thing.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Wow, do you want to go out to dinner? Godfather?
You haven't been to one in a minute.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Okay, but yeah, yes, I'm you know, I'm always out
for Yeah, I have to eat.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
As you say, you know what, you know what they
say about cocktails? Pull me want to tell me one? Yeah,
that's right, that's Elvis Duran line. Serve.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
We want to tell me what that look though? You
want you say, hey, you know, I know this Elvis
has a lot more going on under the hood than
just talking about far jokes. How can we turn a
simple meeting into a meaningful conversation? What would you do, like,
what would you do to spark that?
Speaker 4 (06:07):
I would just tell you.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I would say, hey, man, I really want to talk
to you about something, and I would get into it.
That's why the book is also called Get on Us
or Die Lying, because we all wake up every day
and we find these ways to likelide to ourselves. We
find these ways, you know, to mask what's really going
on with us. Talk about it like y'all are really
really close, right everybody in this room. If you really
got something on your mind, just put it out there,
(06:30):
like if you don't want to come in and you know,
just laugh and joke because you're trying to deflect from something.
And I'm sure Daniel you probably been working with him
so long as you know when there's actually something really
going on, when there's an underlying.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Issue, right, And she'll ask me from time to time,
but sometimes you're like me, You're like to bury it
a cat boss, you.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Know, because when nowadays, I think, after COVID, especially when
you ask somebody how they're doing, you better be prepared
for that, reallyss.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Oh yeah, So when you sat down and you asked
me how I'm doing, and I kiddingly said, oh, not good,
because people never hear that.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
I would ready to hear whatever you have to tell me.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I think, actually, not everything's good, but I have a
list of things that I'm having a little issue with.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
But don't we all findsoutely that's right.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Okay, But turning a meaningless conversation into an important conversation,
a micro into a macro, what is the importance behind that?
What is it doing to change our trajectory in life?
If we can just talk about peanut butter and jelly
sandwiches for an hour? But why is that wasting our time?
Because you're not gonna learn anything from it.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
You know, whatever you're dealing with, you're still probably gonna
be dealing with after it's gone. If I'm not honest
with the people that I'm around about what I'm going through,
those people might have some resources that they can point
me in the right direction, you know, to actually, you know,
get the help I need, or they might know somebody
that can help me with whatever I'm dealing with. Like,
you know, I hate hearing these stories about somebody that
(07:48):
you might have just been with, laughing joke and having
a good time, and then a couple of weeks later
you hear, oh, they committed suicide or something like that.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Not to get that deep with it, but no, I
just don't know. You just don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I don't think we shouldn't run from having any important,
heavy conversations with each other. And like, like I said,
I feel like this we're in an era right now
where we make micros macros, So when the actual macros
come across our desk, we don't know how to deal
with them.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Are we don't deal with them at all?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
So this book, excuse me, sorry, paulin this book is
taking us down several different avenues I'm assuming I haven't
read it yet about how to instigate conversation.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Yeah, I embark up that's right.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I end every chapter with let's discuss And I'm giving
people the freedom to simply say, hey, I don't want
to talk about this right now. Like you know, I'm
not interested in having this conversation. I think it's perfectly
okay to sit in silence if you want to. It's
perfectly okay to get on your phone if you want to.
If you're on the plane and you don't feel like
talking to somebody, is perfectly okay to set that boundary
(08:50):
and say, hey, I don't feel like discussing this right now,
but if you do want to discuss it, I give
you a whole bunch of topics in that book to
talk about.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
And I'm not an expert at anything.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I'm just giving you some things to discuss, and you know,
you put them on the table and y'all continue the conversation.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
I like to light the fire the flame and then run,
like I used to do it at home, Like with politics.
The whole family would be and I'd say, what do
y'all think about this?
Speaker 4 (09:14):
But that's good?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
But then I get up and leave, and my father
would say, if you bring that up again, you are
not coming to the table anymore.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
They call that farting on the elevator exactly. That's what
you should do when you fart, you should get up
from the table.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
So you bring up politics, let's talk about it. I
love your outlook on the political scene right now. You've
got Biden, You've got Trump, right, you're president Trump, President Biden,
and what And one of the reasons we don't bring
up politics on our show is because in this division,
in this divisive world, we live in division.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Devisive.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Whither you have to be all left or all right.
There is no there is no crossover.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
And that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
And if you if you're if you say that Trump
did something, that he said something today that really made
sense to me, then everyone on the left is like, oh,
you're a Trump lover. And then vice versa Biden, and
you're saying, this is not the real world. And this
is a great conversation to have with everyone, by.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
The way, and you know that if you actually experience
the real world, and if you stay on social media
all day, if you watch cable news all day, you'll
think people are just thinking on those two extremes.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Because especially if that's what you think, that's all that's
going to pop up on your feet.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
But if you actually go out into the world and
you actually talk to people and you have conversations, you'll
see that there are more people who are you know,
in the middle, in the middle of it all, and
like you know, a lot of people don't even care.
Once again about the individuals. I think we waste so
much time talking about individuals. I don't like either one
of the candidates, right, but I know that I'm voting
(10:39):
this year to preserve democracy, right, so I'm going to
vote for the person who I think that can preserve
democracy the best. But I think that we should be
talking about issues, not individuals. If you start talking about individuals,
you're gonna lose every time. As soon as you bring
up Trump, somebody has a reaction to it. So as
you bring up body and somebody has a reaction to it.
But if you talk about actual issues, all we can
all have a conversation about those.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
There you go and not be afraid to have conversations.
A lot of people are like I'd rather kind of
tiptoe around that, walking on eggshells, because controversial conversation is
such a downer for a lot of people, maybe because
of where they're from Maybe they're just they don't feel
like they're entitled to give their opinion, or.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Maybe because we label people as soon as you bring
something up, Like you said earlier, Elvis, if you just
look at something a different way and all of a
sudden you get labeled as something, it's exactly no, I'm
just trying to be objective. I think that you should
be able to see things from somebody else's perspective. I
think you should go out of your way to try
to see things from somebody else's perspective. At times, I'm
loving the text messages. I think they're still kind of
(11:42):
they're just still talking about domestic violence from the Didty
conversation earlier. But you know, if ever we talk about
anything political in the show, the text message is just flame.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
They go up.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
They don't talk about it.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Y'all are humans? Y'all gonna vote?
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Y'all, y'all pay attention to social issues? Well absolutely, Elvis,
you are walking so.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
My god, finding someone figured me out. I just want
to have we gotten soft as a society, And if so, why.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Why are we repair?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Because everything is offensive? If everything's offensive, nothing everything is offensive.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Everybody sensitive because we're just afraid to have conversations, like
we should be allowed to sit down and agree to disagree.
We should be able to have differences but still have
respect for each other. Like I shouldn't, you know, disrespect
you just because I disagree with you.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
And that's that's literally what I'm.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Say that again, because this is this is the bumper
sticker everyone should have. If you have bumper stickers or
bumper say that again.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
I should be able to disagree with you without disrespecting exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
But you see, we know because we're dealing with millions
of people at a at a crawl, right, there are
so many people that will don't burn your house down,
they will get torches. The villagers will come up to
your castle and burn here, doctor Frankens.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
It's ridiculous. And that's that's literally what this book is for.
Get honest or dieline, why small talk sels, I'm just
here to open up conversation, and I want all of
us to start being honest with ourselves because I feel
like we wake up every day and we put on
these masks, right, and we put on these fronts for society,
and we end up lying to ourselves and volunteering those
lives to other people. How can we survive as a
(13:23):
coach like that? How can we survive in a society
like that with everybody just lying to each other?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Well, and when it's time, when it's your turn to
like go, that's what you're gonna look back on, a
life of me just walking around with a mask, because
beneath that mask is the real person.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
And then when you when you're gone, people start, you know,
digging into your life and they'd be like, Wow, I
didn't know that person was into that.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
I didn't know they was into that. I didn't know
they felt that way. I didn't let it felt that
way because you.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Didn't know me, because you didn't take the time to
get the real know me, because you scared me into
wearing a mask my whole life.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
It's a two way thing.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Though.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I didn't tell you about me and you didn't ask
about me.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
So this is where we gotta like turn the key.
I need to be asking about you and you need
to be able to tell me.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
And you got to be willing to deal when I
when I say hey, how are you, and I tell
you how I really am? You got to be willing
to accept that. You got to be willing to accept
all that comes with that.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
The book is get Honest or Die Lying Why small
talk sucks? From Charlemagne to God. Yes, and I'm gonna
read that title again in a seconduse. I want everyone
to buy us.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yes, And I'll be at I'll be at Barnes and
Nobles today and on New York and New York on
Fifth Avenue at one pm. And then I'll be at
Barnes and Noble in Paramus at five pm signing copies of.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
The book tour.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I forgot how that that was a lot of fun.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
The books are fun when you do.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
When you do a book tours, people come out and
they really want to connect with you.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
I love that though, Like this is why I love
doing morning radio and I love writing books and stuff
because we actually get to talk to people. So being
that we actually get to talk to people, we understand
what people are really feeling. So a lot of times
I get in trouble for simply, you know, reflecting what
I've seen and heard people say, just having conversations with them,
like the regular everyday constituents that these politicians want, you know,
(15:00):
uh want want want to want people want them to vote.
We get to talk to him every day. Like right now,
you got all of those questions coming in through your
you know, your chat, and you get to talk to
those people. You are anything on the front lines of
American society.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Well you have to go and I'll tell you why. Okay,
loving Charlemagne, Sorry Elvis, you just lost a listener in me.
I'm jumping on the Charlemagne bandwagon.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Oh just flip back and forth.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Now they gave three hearts, said joke. He'll never lose me. Jesus.
I got to ask you one more question for you,
le Why is it when we have beautiful catering and
lots of food out here, we always invite the breakfast
club and all the producers.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Up to eat.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
When you guys get food, we are never ever informed.
It's the This is why Gandhi Gandhi is not here today.
She wants me to ask you this question.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I always say, go invite Elvis the specifically because y'all always.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Have invite They don't listen.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Wow, but you know I did tell Max starts stop
embarrassing us.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
You know, Big Mac is like six five. I love him.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
He comes down, He'll come down and eat.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Of course, he's four hundred pounds. But he's embarrassing. He
comes down here and he does too much. I'm like,
come on, Mac, he's stop.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
He can take all he wants.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
He's the happiest person and they I love talking to.
He's so happy.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
But don't go a walking stereotype. Mac.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Youst said the word fly four hundred pounds. Don't act
like it just because there's food there. You almost said
the word jolly.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Do not use the word jolly, dolly brown giant.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
See him now, I'm gonna call him jolly brown.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Brown giant.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
No, look, no, no, no, don't. I don't know what you're
telling your people now. No, they're not coming in here
and telling. But when we've got a buffet, we're always
I do tell him all the time. I got to
make sure Reitery, you need to take charge down there.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Man.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
You need to tell him to read that damn book.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
This this buffet thing has me just pissed off.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
I got you.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
I promise next time and you guys get good food,
I'll come tell you myself.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
I always do.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
I tell Diamond all the diamond, Diamond, I tell her
all the time. And now we'd be having food down there.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
You've never Diamond, Why would.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
You lie like that? And you heard the new book
from Charlene called Lies, Lies, and More Lies. That's the
next one. All the crap I've been lying about lining
to the Z one of the morning show that you know, so.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I do talk about how you know, I'm not gonna
say I'll be lying to my therapist, but I mean
when I go to therapy, I haven't been completely honest.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Oh my god, you just had a nerve with me,
because when I was in therapy, I directed those conversations
in order to get the answer I wanted.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, what exactly? That's stupid.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
I went on a spiritual retreat back in February, me
and my wife and one of the things that came
up for me was stop lying to yourself and stop
volunteering those lies to other people. And it's like, it's
not like I'm lying to my therapist. I'm just I'm
not telling them everything, telling them that's enough. Like you said,
directing the conversation to hear what I want to hear.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
That's lying. It is eliminating is lying.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
You just made me accept an uncomfortable truth.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Accept that, and I also accept the fact that you
guys are bringing your catering down.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Next tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
What do you have tomorrow?
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I don't know, but I'm gonna make sure that we
got catering, just to tell you I'm here. I'm here
to hers that we have it down. Yeah, I'm here tomorrow.
I got you some mac and cheese. Will be nice
that you want some soul fool I do? I got easy?
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Have you been?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
That's been holding me down for a long time because
I used to have her cater at my my TV
show and I have my TV shows at Central. But
also after my wife had her had our children, she
would cater like these. She would do like these meal
preps for my wife so my wife didn't have to cook.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yeah, I've been knowing for nice husband.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
I think I've learned. I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
My friend Island, she's getting finally, she's getting massive, massive
because of you. No, no, no, no, don't change that.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
No no. The New York Times, I read that it's.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Because of her, because she she dips that love and
every single morning and very very clairvoyant. She is very
very We had to get rid of We had to
get out of here. She's wasting. I should have changed
her name but Claire. All right, so Charlamage the God
always always wonderful to have you here. You get honest
or die lying Why small talk sucks and now we
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learn even your small talking to yourself sucks.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
That's the worst part. Stop lying to yourself.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Stop small talking to yourself, man, start to start talking big,
start thinking big, and more importantly, stop lying to yourself
and stop volunteering those lives of other people.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
One word for you, catering. Don't beat my donkey of
a day.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Now, man, please get Elvis some food. I don't make
sure you eat my boobies.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Boobies are touching my knee cap.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Make sure you will get Elvis and night soul. I'm
I'm the.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Jolly white giant Charlotte.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
We love you, Go do your show.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
And he's down there like he's late. We got lay.
You're gonna get out of here.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Thanks, we're gonna can you're ask get out of here?
Speaker 4 (20:14):
I love you.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Right, he's going the wrong way. It's faster this way,
is it?
Speaker 4 (20:19):
He cuts through the back. We have a back Oh yeah,
oh yeah, we have a secret door.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I didn't I didn't know about that secret door till recently.
And I go where are these people going? And then
I followed somebody and I'm like, oh my gosh, I
didn't even know this was here.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
It's a maze of rats and we're the rats.
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