October 30, 2024 • 20 mins
Tommy DiDario stops by the Mercedes Benz Interview Lounge to talk about new episodes of his podcast, "I've Never Said This Before" and brought healthy Halloween candy.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Live from the Mercedes Benz Interview Lounge.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
How'd we get in here?
Speaker 3 (00:05):
We were in another room and all of a sudden,
now we're in the Mercedes Benz Interview Lounge. Anyway, our
friend Tommy de Dario's here. Hello, Hello, hey guys. We
have lots to cover, a lot and uncover.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Yeah, okay, where do we start?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Let's see.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Okay, I think it was Sunday, Good Morning America with
the weekend edition. Tommy geo his husband who's in bed
by shell aready. His birthday in bed must be nice?
He said, have you seen a picture of my husband
Tommy from when he was a Halloween costume model? And
(00:42):
he showed this picture on GMA. I mean, how many
years ago?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Was that? Okay?
Speaker 4 (00:48):
That that job was like over a decade ago for one, Yes,
it's true. A very early part of my career was
costume modeling, before I was a Harlequin romance novel boy.
I think the costume modeling is more fun. It is
pretty fun, well, can I just say? And then I
went on to do real campaigns. But anyway, I was
Calvin Klein come just saying.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Wait a minute, but this campaign's not over. You can
still go to test hold on. This is the number
one downloaded image from Amazon.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Me and a Scooby Doo costume. Yes, I have a
big Scooby Doo over my head, the whole big onesie
I'm wearing. And Geo's colleague Wit is dressing up as
this for Halloween. So found it on Amazon. I had
no idea it was still on all these years later.
So here we are. My face in Scooby Doo is
plastered all over the world as the number one best
selling costume.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
You should be proud.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I am.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
And Geo ordered it to our house. I don't know why,
but now it's going to be arriving today and it
will be home.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I would go as Velma. You win, you would be
a pretty Velma. I don't think there is a pretty Villa.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
You know. I would, but I would get to costume.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
But I'll also like I would rent No, no, I
mean I would get like a toy Ona rab four.
You know I'd wear this shirt I'm wearing now.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
But the best part of the picture, you guys have
to look it up is, as Elvis pointed out, I'm
modeling this costume with my hands on my hips, like
total sass. So I'm like a sassy Scooby Doo. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
we pretty much knew where that was going on anyway.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
So Tommy of course is a Not only is he
modeling outfits for Scooby.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Doo, but did you do the French made outfit?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Do? Listen?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
I can't reveal all my secrets.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Also his podcast, I've never said this before. We've got
a big announcement. We're going to talk about that in
a second. But also he's a fitness model as well.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I'm not a fitness model.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I don't know why it says that I am not
a fitness model.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I does just say that. I just say that myself.
Oh hey, people like to say that it's not true.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Okay, then maybe you know, when when everything else goes away,
you could be a fitness model.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
But wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
So he brought us a plastic Halloween pumpkin filled with
healthy Halloween treats. Yes, does you always make fun of
the of the crappy way we eat on the show.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
It's repulsive. So here I have I have Halloween treats
for you. Okay, close your eyes. I'm not closing my eyes.
These are the best things you're gonna ever, this will
change your life.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
What the hell is it?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
They're going to change your life.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
It's some kind of They're gonna change you, Like Nate,
I have one for you.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
You will wake up every single.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Day craving this instead of gummy bears, instead of gross
processed sugar and candy.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Okay, it's the Garden of Life Organic's elderberry immune gummy.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Yes, so I brought you delicious, tasty elderberry gummies that
are good for your immune system. They have echinasia and zinc.
They're going to keep you healthy all winter long. And
guess what, You'll never want to reach for another gross
gummy again because once you have these, it will change
your life.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
In the bucket, that's it.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Now open that bad boy and take a bite. I
don't get in there. It's fruit, yes, sugar, no sugar,
no added sugar, all real food, the whole thing. If
you want, sure, the recommended serving size is for But
you know what, if you want to eat today.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
You're not giving this to the kids, are you.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Isn't it brilliant? No, it's not gonna.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Throw it at your head and it's a big bobby gonna.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Get a concussion it's a big bottle.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Who gets a big bottle like that? No, it does not.
It tastes like we're eating grandma.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
How do you know who your grandma? Tastes like?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Who hasn't eaten ates grandma?
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Disgusting?
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Oh stop it, you guys are just ragging on me.
They are made with such fresh, delicious ingredients. And you
know what if you if you all want to get
the flu this season, fine, don't eat it. If you
want to get the worst diseases possible, don't eat it.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Can we bring it down a notch and listen?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I I appreciate the the immunity Elderberry. I'm not sure
I'm fine with that, but as a Halloween treat, it
doesn't quite make it okay.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Fine, to be fair, if it's not a Halloween treat,
how would you feel about it.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Better?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I know I'm gonna have four every single day. See,
we'll keep you healthy.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
After you get the third one, it tastes a little better.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
I don't have a question. What do you give out
as Halloween dreams?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Elderberry? Gummies?
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Maybe don't.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
No, I don't don't get any snickers in the house. Listen,
just because my taste is not that. I don't push
that on everybody else. So if a kid wants a
TwixT bar, do they still make those?
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Okay, I don't now, I haven't a TwixT bar since
like nineteen ninety. But if a kid still wants that,
I will gladly give them a TwixT spar.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
You know, and this is a known thing. I have
a special way I eat my Snickers bar. You could
turn it upside down because the veins will be like
on the bottom on your tongue. I don't even know
what that means. I'm gonna go with it.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Okay, look at you.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
I okay, excuse me.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Wait a minute.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Danielle here sitting here ragging on the Elderberry gummies and
she is popping them like there's no tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I see you serving eight?
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Only give me three?
Speaker 4 (06:02):
No, no, no, it's not added. It's natural. There's no
added sugar. Okay, okay, I really think i'd bring you
added sugar. Come on now, no, not you what well,
it's not Bobby approved.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
I just ran this scanned it.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
You know what it has in here is sunflower oil,
which is an inflammatory seed oil.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Oh yeah, you know this is not good for you.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
You know, Bobby and I are gonna have a long
discussion because I'm not into what Bobby approves and what
he doesn't. You know, Bobby, Bobby can kiss my.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
I have to say there are some things that Bobby.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, it's all right. Those apps are a little wrong.
Hold on, hold on. You know what I was gonna say, No, no, no, no, no,
who's Bobby?
Speaker 4 (06:39):
He made an app about what you can and cannot
eat and drink and use, and you know what all
those apps are. Anyway, the point is you're welcome for
keeping you healthy all winter long. So when all of
you report back to me in March and say, god, Tommy,
I didn't get sick, I'm gonna say I'm not going
to point fingers, but I did give you something in
October that could be helpful.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Well, I don't know what you're on today because you've
got lots of energy. Hey, thank you, Tommy. You're welcome.
So phase one of our interview done, and I appreciate
you looking at it. I have a whole bag, so
don't worry what you won't run out of them of commies. Oh,
thank you, Yeah, I got you.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Thanks.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I'm got to talk about what's going on this thing
broke on. There's some people dot com. Yes it did.
It's up now fifteen minutes ago. Talk about this latest
release from your podcast. I've never said this before.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Go all right, my One Tree Hill fans, I have
an amazing actress, Bethany joy Lens on the show. She
starred in One Tree Hill for nine seasons, and during
her entire time on that show, she was also in
a cult. So she has a new memoir out called
Dinner for Vampires where she talks about being in this
religious cult and it is honestly one of the most
fascinating books I've ever read in my life.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I know what would explain She was in the cult
during the entire shoot of Yes.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
So.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
It started as Bible study. It was a weekly Bible study.
She moved to La, was feeling lonely, got involved in
a once a night, once a week Bible study, and
someone came in from Idaho and started taking over that group,
and it turned into this cult where they would split
time between La and this big mansion. She calls it
the Big House in Idaho, and it's you know, I
(08:08):
have to be honest. I have watched a lot of
documentaries on cults. I think it's fascinating and I've always
had the thought of who would possibly allow that to happen, Like,
how do you get sucked into a cult? And I'm
embarrassed to admit that, because when you read this memoir,
she really lays out how it can happen to anybody,
and it happened to her. And the most fascinating part
(08:30):
about this cult is you know, they're not in the
woods wearing white robes, and it's not kind of the
stereotypes of what you think it would be. It's kind
of very normal life, but with total manipulation, right. And
they separated her from her family, from her friends. They
stole two million dollars from her. She was essentially working
on that show to fund the cult leader's lifestyle. She
(08:51):
married the cult leader's son. So it's this wild story
and she wants to share it because at the end
of it she sums every thing up perfectly. And she
ran into an old friend, and this old friend kind
of alluded to like a man who would get into
a cult, or how stupid do you have to be
to allow that to happen? And she said, would you
call a woman in an abusive relationship stupid? Would you
(09:12):
would you say she's stupid? Or is she suffering from
manipulation and from gas lighting and from emotional, psychological, physical,
mental abuse. It's the same thing. When you're in a cult,
all those things happen. So it's really this eye opening
perspective of this gorygeous, bubbly, bubbly, you know, effervescent girl
that you look at and would never imagine this could
happen to and it did. And she has a daughter
(09:35):
now and it is with the cult leader's son, who
she's not involved with, of course anymore, and she's out
of the cult. But this book is so honest and
raw and vulnerable. And if you love true crime, if
you love you know, this category of content, you gotta
read it. And this episode of my show is fascinating, fascinating,
And Elvis mentioned the People magazine exclusive which is out now.
(09:57):
They ran a story and you can watch this video
on their website right now. Where for my question that
I asked, what is one thing you've never said before?
I asked it at the end of every interview, she said, gosh,
you know what, Tommy, I don't think I've ever actually
apologized to my mom. And Dad, And we've kind of
had conversations where we've beat around the bush, but I
don't think I've really ever said I'm sorry. So Mom
(10:20):
and Dad, I am so sorry for everything I put
you through during those ten years that I was in
that cult. I am so sorry, Like thank you for
standing by me and for still being with me. And
it was just this beautiful, raw moment where it was like,
oh my god.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
You know, and if you're a fan of One Tree
Hill or you were in the day and you would
see her character come on every week and you never
really stopped. So it makes you wonder all the people
that we are fans we follow on social media, in
movies and artists who perform and sing, what are their
lives like, you know, when the mics are off and
the cameras are off.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, you never know.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
It could be normal and great like hours, or it
could be a very very frightening, frightening place.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
It's like Jeanette mccurtey remember her, And she wrote the
book I'm Glad my Mom died And while she was
doing I Carly you had no idea what was because
she had an eating disorder. Her mom was abusive and
she thought it was the way her mom loved her,
but it was actually abuse, and it was read this
book is crazy too.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Remember the book came out and you said, the title
is called I'm Glad my Mom died, And I'm like, wow,
this must yeah, he must have been really bad.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
It's a hard hitting book.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Yeah, you never know what someone is going through. And
I think we all we all kind of jumped to
a conclusion of, oh my god, only a crazy person
will join a cult. But like this, she really breaks
down how this could happen. It stemmed from extreme loneliness.
I bet extreme loneliness, right, And you need a place
to fit in.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
You need a community of people that will embrace you
and go, hey, you're safe with us, and then you
kind of buy into everything that they serve you.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
And she has a nice humor about it now too,
Like she told me, you know, how did this all happen?
I said, And she goes, well, Bible study went sideways,
and you know she can.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I gonna laugh about it too.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
And even though if she's rebuilding her life, you know,
it's a good message to put out there for anyone
going through any sort of situation like that.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
You painted this picture a moment ago about how this
cult had, you know, their center or whatever in Los Angeles,
but they also had this big white mansion somewhere. There
are so many of these white mansion stories going on,
and they're not all cult related. We're also the Abercrombie
Fitch story that's really really breaking heavy. We've knew, we've
known about it for years, but now now it's going
through the court systems. We're seeing testimony, we're seeing we're
(12:31):
hearing like what happened with a lot of these model
You were in an Abercrombie Fitch model for a long time, right.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
I was at the seaport here in Manhattan and then
on Fifth Avenue.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
And so you heard, you heard of some of these
things going on, but you never participated at the at
the white mansions of that guy.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
No, no, no, I stayed away from all of it.
I stayed away from all of it. I went and
did my job. I never got a great vibe from him.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
You can walk around the Abercrombie Fitch pool in your
Scooby Doo outfit.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
I don't know if anyone would have wanted to see that.
I'll come over for you, Elvis, if you want that,
if you explaying.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Them with that Abercrombie perfume or whatever in your school
we do outfit, I think it would have been good.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
You think so.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Okay, So you hear a story like that, and even
though that wasn't the same as the cult that your
guest was talking about, it was a cult of sorts
because these were a bunch of very young, very well,
very good looking guys who some of them probably gravitated
towards this guy, I'm assuming allegedly because there was a
(13:27):
feeling of being wanted. There was a feeling of being
a part of a bigger thing, and so maybe they
came from homes where they just didn't feel love whatever,
they found this place of acceptance. Unfortunately, you know, as
we're learning more and more about it, it's not all
that great.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, yeah, and you're right.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
I mean, that's one of the driving forces for so
many people, right, wanting to belong to something bigger, and
you get in these dangerous and scary situations where there
are plenty of red flags. I mean I saw red
flags when I was a model at Abercromie with him
and some people, and you know, I did not like it,
and just like Beth and joy Lens, she saw red
flags with this cults and she didn't like it. But
you're so you convince yourself of all the reasons why
(14:07):
that can't be true, because you so badly want to
belong to it, right, you know. So it's it's this
total mind manipulation, which is the wildest part of it all.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
And it happens and you don't even realize it. For instance,
you keep coming back here. I don't know why, because
it's our cult. You abuse me, you don't like my gifts,
you refuse them. You don't know why I keep coming back.
We eat your elder Berry gummies. You're welcome. Hey, So
we had so much fun at Danielle's hollow hollow scream
blood manner of the haunted house. And uh, here I
(14:37):
am in my character, in my room to my thing,
scaring people and in walks Tommy and Geo. Yeah, Tommy's like, oh,
I could see some guy hanging on to the back
of Tommy, but I couldn't see who it was. It
was Geo with his face buried in his back. He's
(14:57):
one of those people that go through haunted houses and
don't look at anything?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Why are you going through?
Speaker 4 (15:03):
And you know what, the one section of the Haunted
House I really needed him in he let me down.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
He did.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
He let me down to kill me. So I'm very claustrophobic.
So there's a section where it's pitch black and there's
walls everywhere and you don't know where you are and
you feel like everything's caving in on you. I don't
like it. I don't like small spaces. It was not
my thing. So I said, oh my god, you just
help me out here, like I don't know where how
to get out of this? Just you know, because I
don't know, you just know you do it. I can't.
(15:29):
I'm not having an anxiety attack, I can't breathe, I'm
getting hives, Like where are we could leave me out
of it?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Out of it? The level of anxiety between these two
was just life love.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
When they try to make you break character, like they
do the same enemy, they come in.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Like, yeah, because you got so excited.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I didn't break character one time that night.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
I just wanted to hug you guys. Now I don't.
But you committed. You both really really committed. And if
this doesn't work out for you, you can go to Broadway.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
That was on Broadway. Well it is close again. This
is you, miss Aladdin. You keep going, let's go. Uh huh,
what what's your question? Want to know the gummy?
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Oh see, thank you appreciating my knowledge. Garden of Life
is the Gummy brand? Are you a representative of them?
I do team up with them. You do team up
with Look, but I have to say, here's a true story,
honestly true story. I am very and like you guys
know this. I'm very particular what I put in my body,
like very particular. I get and and I hate you guys.
(16:39):
Why do I come here? Why do I come here?
Over and over and over again? It's it's a it's
a big white mansion of exceptions. Oh my god, I'm
leaving anyway. I am very particular what I eat and drink,
I will say instead of that phrase. And I email
them and was like, oh my god, I'm blown away.
(16:59):
But look at you popping more. I said, I'm blown
away by the ingredients, like I need more information. And
that's how my love affair with them started.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
So I know.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
But what we have this rule at law here if
we actually get paid by companies, we have to like say,
we are a proud partner of there.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Yes, he doesn't work here.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Well, are you gonna pay me a salary if you're
gonna be Oh my god, if you're gonna be, you're
gonna be a part of our white mansion. You must benefit.
Can we not use that? But like that is so
you must be more a white mansion. No, no, no,
we need to be able to see you right through you. Okay,
So what else do you have coming up on your podcast?
I've never said this before. Yes, a lot of fun stuff.
(17:39):
Next week's episode is with Sarah Drew. If you watch
Gray's Anatomy, she has a new holiday series coming out.
I know you'll appreciate that, Danielle. It's the clean of
all things holidays.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Love it.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
And then we're getting into the Netflix world of Christmas movies. Yes,
so I believe. I don't want to be premature in
saying this, but it's like ninety percent I believe Lindsay
Loanhand will be one of my guests.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Shut up, I need to be there when you do that.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yes, calm down.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Now for pr tries to pull out, I'm gonna play
this clip and say, Nope, you can't do it like
it's out there.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
It's out there.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
She did the Court over Street movie last year the
year before, which actually, after watching it again, I really
did enjoy it.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
And now she's doing another one. I'm so excited.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yes, so it's the same movie over and over. No
it is, I know, I stopping with dream on me.
I'm sure. Oh my gosh, we love anyways to.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Come up here. She was, Remember how nice she was
to us. She was one of the nicest people.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
She was.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Well, I think I'll be interviewing her and Lacy Shabert.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Shabert Lacey Sabertbert.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Yeah, she has also a Netflix holiday movie coming out.
I'm interviewing her. She was also she was mean girls. Ohbert,
you know who she is. Mels don't know that too.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
But don't look at me like I'm out of it
because you don't even know if they still make twigs.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
That's a fair question.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
I would think Tommy de Daria would be perfect in
a Hallmark holiday movie.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Oh he would.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
I'm ready. I'm available, Yes, yes you are, let's do it.
Oh I have no pull there? All right, all right,
so the podcast, I've never said this before. Yes, it's
on the of course, always on the iHeartRadio app and
we uh, we'd love that you're in. But this this
latest latest interview with Joy Lens Bethany Joy Lens. Pardon me,
(19:20):
she was by Joy call her Joy Joy.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
This sounds like you have a very very interesting time
with her.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
I did, and it's a conversation. I don't like to
say I favorites, but it really was one of my
top Why what made what it made? Made it one
of your favorites out of all the other because everything
I thought going into the interview was the exact opposite.
And I really do pride myself on not having judgments
or preconceived notions, but we're all human and I really
really learned so much about her experience being in a cult,
(19:46):
and like I said, everything that I had thought in
the past has changed. And also she is a part
of pop culture history. One Tree Hill was iconic. It
was on for nine seasons. It was one of the
most highly rated shows at the time. You know, Sophia Bush,
the cast, Chad Michael Murray like, it's it's there. They're
talking about a reboot. We also talk about that because
I was curious to know if a reboot came around
(20:09):
does she have so much PTSD from being in a
cult that she would think she wouldn't have a seat
at the table. Does she think like, oh my god,
my cast knows everything I went through. This is all
out there where they think I'm perceived as crazy, whatever
the case may be, Like will she be able to participate?
And she said I think I would be yeah, because
the cast was nothing but lovely to me.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
So and I love what you said about how you
love that interview, because once you were in an interview,
it was nothing you had expected from the interview, just
like just what I thought this would be interesting.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Again, Why do I come here? I love it?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Oh my god, the one and only Tommy, Tommy Deberia.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Give go a happy birthday. Hug for it. I will,
all right, I will
Live from the Mercedes Benz Interview Lounge.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
How'd we get in here?
Speaker 3 (00:05):
We were in another room and all of a sudden,
now we're in the Mercedes Benz Interview Lounge. Anyway, our
friend Tommy de Dario's here. Hello, Hello, hey guys. We
have lots to cover, a lot and uncover.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Yeah, okay, where do we start?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Let's see.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Okay, I think it was Sunday, Good Morning America with
the weekend edition. Tommy geo his husband who's in bed
by shell aready. His birthday in bed must be nice?
He said, have you seen a picture of my husband
Tommy from when he was a Halloween costume model? And
(00:42):
he showed this picture on GMA. I mean, how many
years ago?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Was that? Okay?
Speaker 4 (00:48):
That that job was like over a decade ago for one, Yes,
it's true. A very early part of my career was
costume modeling, before I was a Harlequin romance novel boy.
I think the costume modeling is more fun. It is
pretty fun, well, can I just say? And then I
went on to do real campaigns. But anyway, I was
Calvin Klein come just saying.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Wait a minute, but this campaign's not over. You can
still go to test hold on. This is the number
one downloaded image from Amazon.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Me and a Scooby Doo costume. Yes, I have a
big Scooby Doo over my head, the whole big onesie
I'm wearing. And Geo's colleague Wit is dressing up as
this for Halloween. So found it on Amazon. I had
no idea it was still on all these years later.
So here we are. My face in Scooby Doo is
plastered all over the world as the number one best
selling costume.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
You should be proud.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I am.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
And Geo ordered it to our house. I don't know why,
but now it's going to be arriving today and it
will be home.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I would go as Velma. You win, you would be
a pretty Velma. I don't think there is a pretty Villa.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
You know. I would, but I would get to costume.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
But I'll also like I would rent No, no, I
mean I would get like a toy Ona rab four.
You know I'd wear this shirt I'm wearing now.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
But the best part of the picture, you guys have
to look it up is, as Elvis pointed out, I'm
modeling this costume with my hands on my hips, like
total sass. So I'm like a sassy Scooby Doo. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
we pretty much knew where that was going on anyway.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
So Tommy of course is a Not only is he
modeling outfits for Scooby.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Doo, but did you do the French made outfit?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Do? Listen?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
I can't reveal all my secrets.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Also his podcast, I've never said this before. We've got
a big announcement. We're going to talk about that in
a second. But also he's a fitness model as well.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I'm not a fitness model.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I don't know why it says that I am not
a fitness model.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I does just say that. I just say that myself.
Oh hey, people like to say that it's not true.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Okay, then maybe you know, when when everything else goes away,
you could be a fitness model.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
But wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
So he brought us a plastic Halloween pumpkin filled with
healthy Halloween treats. Yes, does you always make fun of
the of the crappy way we eat on the show.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
It's repulsive. So here I have I have Halloween treats
for you. Okay, close your eyes. I'm not closing my eyes.
These are the best things you're gonna ever, this will
change your life.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
What the hell is it?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
They're going to change your life.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
It's some kind of They're gonna change you, Like Nate,
I have one for you.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
You will wake up every single.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Day craving this instead of gummy bears, instead of gross
processed sugar and candy.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Okay, it's the Garden of Life Organic's elderberry immune gummy.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Yes, so I brought you delicious, tasty elderberry gummies that
are good for your immune system. They have echinasia and zinc.
They're going to keep you healthy all winter long. And
guess what, You'll never want to reach for another gross
gummy again because once you have these, it will change
your life.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
In the bucket, that's it.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Now open that bad boy and take a bite. I
don't get in there. It's fruit, yes, sugar, no sugar,
no added sugar, all real food, the whole thing. If
you want, sure, the recommended serving size is for But
you know what, if you want to eat today.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
You're not giving this to the kids, are you.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Isn't it brilliant? No, it's not gonna.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Throw it at your head and it's a big bobby gonna.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Get a concussion it's a big bottle.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Who gets a big bottle like that? No, it does not.
It tastes like we're eating grandma.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
How do you know who your grandma? Tastes like?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Who hasn't eaten ates grandma?
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Disgusting?
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Oh stop it, you guys are just ragging on me.
They are made with such fresh, delicious ingredients. And you
know what if you if you all want to get
the flu this season, fine, don't eat it. If you
want to get the worst diseases possible, don't eat it.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Can we bring it down a notch and listen?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I I appreciate the the immunity Elderberry. I'm not sure
I'm fine with that, but as a Halloween treat, it
doesn't quite make it okay.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Fine, to be fair, if it's not a Halloween treat,
how would you feel about it.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Better?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I know I'm gonna have four every single day. See,
we'll keep you healthy.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
After you get the third one, it tastes a little better.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
I don't have a question. What do you give out
as Halloween dreams?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Elderberry? Gummies?
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Maybe don't.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
No, I don't don't get any snickers in the house. Listen,
just because my taste is not that. I don't push
that on everybody else. So if a kid wants a
TwixT bar, do they still make those?
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Okay, I don't now, I haven't a TwixT bar since
like nineteen ninety. But if a kid still wants that,
I will gladly give them a TwixT spar.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
You know, and this is a known thing. I have
a special way I eat my Snickers bar. You could
turn it upside down because the veins will be like
on the bottom on your tongue. I don't even know
what that means. I'm gonna go with it.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Okay, look at you.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
I okay, excuse me.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Wait a minute.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Danielle here sitting here ragging on the Elderberry gummies and
she is popping them like there's no tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I see you serving eight?
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Only give me three?
Speaker 4 (06:02):
No, no, no, it's not added. It's natural. There's no
added sugar. Okay, okay, I really think i'd bring you
added sugar. Come on now, no, not you what well,
it's not Bobby approved.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
I just ran this scanned it.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
You know what it has in here is sunflower oil,
which is an inflammatory seed oil.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Oh yeah, you know this is not good for you.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
You know, Bobby and I are gonna have a long
discussion because I'm not into what Bobby approves and what
he doesn't. You know, Bobby, Bobby can kiss my.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
I have to say there are some things that Bobby.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, it's all right. Those apps are a little wrong.
Hold on, hold on. You know what I was gonna say, No, no, no, no, no,
who's Bobby?
Speaker 4 (06:39):
He made an app about what you can and cannot
eat and drink and use, and you know what all
those apps are. Anyway, the point is you're welcome for
keeping you healthy all winter long. So when all of
you report back to me in March and say, god, Tommy,
I didn't get sick, I'm gonna say I'm not going
to point fingers, but I did give you something in
October that could be helpful.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Well, I don't know what you're on today because you've
got lots of energy. Hey, thank you, Tommy. You're welcome.
So phase one of our interview done, and I appreciate
you looking at it. I have a whole bag, so
don't worry what you won't run out of them of commies. Oh,
thank you, Yeah, I got you.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Thanks.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I'm got to talk about what's going on this thing
broke on. There's some people dot com. Yes it did.
It's up now fifteen minutes ago. Talk about this latest
release from your podcast. I've never said this before.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Go all right, my One Tree Hill fans, I have
an amazing actress, Bethany joy Lens on the show. She
starred in One Tree Hill for nine seasons, and during
her entire time on that show, she was also in
a cult. So she has a new memoir out called
Dinner for Vampires where she talks about being in this
religious cult and it is honestly one of the most
fascinating books I've ever read in my life.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I know what would explain She was in the cult
during the entire shoot of Yes.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
So.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
It started as Bible study. It was a weekly Bible study.
She moved to La, was feeling lonely, got involved in
a once a night, once a week Bible study, and
someone came in from Idaho and started taking over that group,
and it turned into this cult where they would split
time between La and this big mansion. She calls it
the Big House in Idaho, and it's you know, I
(08:08):
have to be honest. I have watched a lot of
documentaries on cults. I think it's fascinating and I've always
had the thought of who would possibly allow that to happen, Like,
how do you get sucked into a cult? And I'm
embarrassed to admit that, because when you read this memoir,
she really lays out how it can happen to anybody,
and it happened to her. And the most fascinating part
(08:30):
about this cult is you know, they're not in the
woods wearing white robes, and it's not kind of the
stereotypes of what you think it would be. It's kind
of very normal life, but with total manipulation, right. And
they separated her from her family, from her friends. They
stole two million dollars from her. She was essentially working
on that show to fund the cult leader's lifestyle. She
(08:51):
married the cult leader's son. So it's this wild story
and she wants to share it because at the end
of it she sums every thing up perfectly. And she
ran into an old friend, and this old friend kind
of alluded to like a man who would get into
a cult, or how stupid do you have to be
to allow that to happen? And she said, would you
call a woman in an abusive relationship stupid? Would you
(09:12):
would you say she's stupid? Or is she suffering from
manipulation and from gas lighting and from emotional, psychological, physical,
mental abuse. It's the same thing. When you're in a cult,
all those things happen. So it's really this eye opening
perspective of this gorygeous, bubbly, bubbly, you know, effervescent girl
that you look at and would never imagine this could
happen to and it did. And she has a daughter
(09:35):
now and it is with the cult leader's son, who
she's not involved with, of course anymore, and she's out
of the cult. But this book is so honest and
raw and vulnerable. And if you love true crime, if
you love you know, this category of content, you gotta
read it. And this episode of my show is fascinating, fascinating,
And Elvis mentioned the People magazine exclusive which is out now.
(09:57):
They ran a story and you can watch this video
on their website right now. Where for my question that
I asked, what is one thing you've never said before?
I asked it at the end of every interview, she said, gosh,
you know what, Tommy, I don't think I've ever actually
apologized to my mom. And Dad, And we've kind of
had conversations where we've beat around the bush, but I
don't think I've really ever said I'm sorry. So Mom
(10:20):
and Dad, I am so sorry for everything I put
you through during those ten years that I was in
that cult. I am so sorry, Like thank you for
standing by me and for still being with me. And
it was just this beautiful, raw moment where it was like,
oh my god.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
You know, and if you're a fan of One Tree
Hill or you were in the day and you would
see her character come on every week and you never
really stopped. So it makes you wonder all the people
that we are fans we follow on social media, in
movies and artists who perform and sing, what are their
lives like, you know, when the mics are off and
the cameras are off.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, you never know.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
It could be normal and great like hours, or it
could be a very very frightening, frightening place.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
It's like Jeanette mccurtey remember her, And she wrote the
book I'm Glad my Mom died And while she was
doing I Carly you had no idea what was because
she had an eating disorder. Her mom was abusive and
she thought it was the way her mom loved her,
but it was actually abuse, and it was read this
book is crazy too.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Remember the book came out and you said, the title
is called I'm Glad my Mom died, And I'm like, wow,
this must yeah, he must have been really bad.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
It's a hard hitting book.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Yeah, you never know what someone is going through. And
I think we all we all kind of jumped to
a conclusion of, oh my god, only a crazy person
will join a cult. But like this, she really breaks
down how this could happen. It stemmed from extreme loneliness.
I bet extreme loneliness, right, And you need a place
to fit in.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
You need a community of people that will embrace you
and go, hey, you're safe with us, and then you
kind of buy into everything that they serve you.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
And she has a nice humor about it now too,
Like she told me, you know, how did this all happen?
I said, And she goes, well, Bible study went sideways,
and you know she can.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I gonna laugh about it too.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
And even though if she's rebuilding her life, you know,
it's a good message to put out there for anyone
going through any sort of situation like that.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
You painted this picture a moment ago about how this
cult had, you know, their center or whatever in Los Angeles,
but they also had this big white mansion somewhere. There
are so many of these white mansion stories going on,
and they're not all cult related. We're also the Abercrombie
Fitch story that's really really breaking heavy. We've knew, we've
known about it for years, but now now it's going
through the court systems. We're seeing testimony, we're seeing we're
(12:31):
hearing like what happened with a lot of these model
You were in an Abercrombie Fitch model for a long time, right.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
I was at the seaport here in Manhattan and then
on Fifth Avenue.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
And so you heard, you heard of some of these
things going on, but you never participated at the at
the white mansions of that guy.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
No, no, no, I stayed away from all of it.
I stayed away from all of it. I went and
did my job. I never got a great vibe from him.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
You can walk around the Abercrombie Fitch pool in your
Scooby Doo outfit.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
I don't know if anyone would have wanted to see that.
I'll come over for you, Elvis, if you want that,
if you explaying.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Them with that Abercrombie perfume or whatever in your school
we do outfit, I think it would have been good.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
You think so.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Okay, So you hear a story like that, and even
though that wasn't the same as the cult that your
guest was talking about, it was a cult of sorts
because these were a bunch of very young, very well,
very good looking guys who some of them probably gravitated
towards this guy, I'm assuming allegedly because there was a
(13:27):
feeling of being wanted. There was a feeling of being
a part of a bigger thing, and so maybe they
came from homes where they just didn't feel love whatever,
they found this place of acceptance. Unfortunately, you know, as
we're learning more and more about it, it's not all
that great.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, yeah, and you're right.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
I mean, that's one of the driving forces for so
many people, right, wanting to belong to something bigger, and
you get in these dangerous and scary situations where there
are plenty of red flags. I mean I saw red
flags when I was a model at Abercromie with him
and some people, and you know, I did not like it,
and just like Beth and joy Lens, she saw red
flags with this cults and she didn't like it. But
you're so you convince yourself of all the reasons why
(14:07):
that can't be true, because you so badly want to
belong to it, right, you know. So it's it's this
total mind manipulation, which is the wildest part of it all.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
And it happens and you don't even realize it. For instance,
you keep coming back here. I don't know why, because
it's our cult. You abuse me, you don't like my gifts,
you refuse them. You don't know why I keep coming back.
We eat your elder Berry gummies. You're welcome. Hey, So
we had so much fun at Danielle's hollow hollow scream
blood manner of the haunted house. And uh, here I
(14:37):
am in my character, in my room to my thing,
scaring people and in walks Tommy and Geo. Yeah, Tommy's like, oh,
I could see some guy hanging on to the back
of Tommy, but I couldn't see who it was. It
was Geo with his face buried in his back. He's
(14:57):
one of those people that go through haunted houses and
don't look at anything?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Why are you going through?
Speaker 4 (15:03):
And you know what, the one section of the Haunted
House I really needed him in he let me down.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
He did.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
He let me down to kill me. So I'm very claustrophobic.
So there's a section where it's pitch black and there's
walls everywhere and you don't know where you are and
you feel like everything's caving in on you. I don't
like it. I don't like small spaces. It was not
my thing. So I said, oh my god, you just
help me out here, like I don't know where how
to get out of this? Just you know, because I
don't know, you just know you do it. I can't.
(15:29):
I'm not having an anxiety attack, I can't breathe, I'm
getting hives, Like where are we could leave me out
of it?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Out of it? The level of anxiety between these two
was just life love.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
When they try to make you break character, like they
do the same enemy, they come in.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Like, yeah, because you got so excited.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I didn't break character one time that night.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
I just wanted to hug you guys. Now I don't.
But you committed. You both really really committed. And if
this doesn't work out for you, you can go to Broadway.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
That was on Broadway. Well it is close again. This
is you, miss Aladdin. You keep going, let's go. Uh huh,
what what's your question? Want to know the gummy?
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Oh see, thank you appreciating my knowledge. Garden of Life
is the Gummy brand? Are you a representative of them?
I do team up with them. You do team up
with Look, but I have to say, here's a true story,
honestly true story. I am very and like you guys
know this. I'm very particular what I put in my body,
like very particular. I get and and I hate you guys.
(16:39):
Why do I come here? Why do I come here?
Over and over and over again? It's it's a it's
a big white mansion of exceptions. Oh my god, I'm
leaving anyway. I am very particular what I eat and drink,
I will say instead of that phrase. And I email
them and was like, oh my god, I'm blown away.
(16:59):
But look at you popping more. I said, I'm blown
away by the ingredients, like I need more information. And
that's how my love affair with them started.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
So I know.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
But what we have this rule at law here if
we actually get paid by companies, we have to like say,
we are a proud partner of there.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Yes, he doesn't work here.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Well, are you gonna pay me a salary if you're
gonna be Oh my god, if you're gonna be, you're
gonna be a part of our white mansion. You must benefit.
Can we not use that? But like that is so
you must be more a white mansion. No, no, no,
we need to be able to see you right through you. Okay,
So what else do you have coming up on your podcast?
I've never said this before. Yes, a lot of fun stuff.
(17:39):
Next week's episode is with Sarah Drew. If you watch
Gray's Anatomy, she has a new holiday series coming out.
I know you'll appreciate that, Danielle. It's the clean of
all things holidays.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Love it.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
And then we're getting into the Netflix world of Christmas movies. Yes,
so I believe. I don't want to be premature in
saying this, but it's like ninety percent I believe Lindsay
Loanhand will be one of my guests.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Shut up, I need to be there when you do that.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yes, calm down.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Now for pr tries to pull out, I'm gonna play
this clip and say, Nope, you can't do it like
it's out there.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
It's out there.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
She did the Court over Street movie last year the
year before, which actually, after watching it again, I really
did enjoy it.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
And now she's doing another one. I'm so excited.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yes, so it's the same movie over and over. No
it is, I know, I stopping with dream on me.
I'm sure. Oh my gosh, we love anyways to.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Come up here. She was, Remember how nice she was
to us. She was one of the nicest people.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
She was.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Well, I think I'll be interviewing her and Lacy Shabert.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Shabert Lacey Sabertbert.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Yeah, she has also a Netflix holiday movie coming out.
I'm interviewing her. She was also she was mean girls. Ohbert,
you know who she is. Mels don't know that too.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
But don't look at me like I'm out of it
because you don't even know if they still make twigs.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
That's a fair question.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
I would think Tommy de Daria would be perfect in
a Hallmark holiday movie.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Oh he would.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
I'm ready. I'm available, Yes, yes you are, let's do it.
Oh I have no pull there? All right, all right,
so the podcast, I've never said this before. Yes, it's
on the of course, always on the iHeartRadio app and
we uh, we'd love that you're in. But this this
latest latest interview with Joy Lens Bethany Joy Lens. Pardon me,
(19:20):
she was by Joy call her Joy Joy.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
This sounds like you have a very very interesting time
with her.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
I did, and it's a conversation. I don't like to
say I favorites, but it really was one of my
top Why what made what it made? Made it one
of your favorites out of all the other because everything
I thought going into the interview was the exact opposite.
And I really do pride myself on not having judgments
or preconceived notions, but we're all human and I really
really learned so much about her experience being in a cult,
(19:46):
and like I said, everything that I had thought in
the past has changed. And also she is a part
of pop culture history. One Tree Hill was iconic. It
was on for nine seasons. It was one of the
most highly rated shows at the time. You know, Sophia Bush,
the cast, Chad Michael Murray like, it's it's there. They're
talking about a reboot. We also talk about that because
I was curious to know if a reboot came around
(20:09):
does she have so much PTSD from being in a
cult that she would think she wouldn't have a seat
at the table. Does she think like, oh my god,
my cast knows everything I went through. This is all
out there where they think I'm perceived as crazy, whatever
the case may be, Like will she be able to participate?
And she said I think I would be yeah, because
the cast was nothing but lovely to me.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
So and I love what you said about how you
love that interview, because once you were in an interview,
it was nothing you had expected from the interview, just
like just what I thought this would be interesting.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Again, Why do I come here? I love it?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Oh my god, the one and only Tommy, Tommy Deberia.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Give go a happy birthday. Hug for it. I will,
all right, I will
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