The Trial

This week, Caroline and Liz begin outside the crown court where Liz goes over the opening statements of both the prosecution and the defence. The prosecution accuse Lucy Letby of being ‘a poisoner’ and ‘constant malevolent presence’ on the unit, while the defence say the case against her is based entirely on coincidence and assumption, describing her as a hard working nurse who only tried to help the babies in her care. We’ll also ...

In this episode, Liz and Caroline continue their examination of the trial, which is focusing on each baby in turn. They look into what the prosecution say happened to Baby A – the first alleged victim. A premature twin boy, he died 24 hours after his birth in June 2015. We’ll also hear about a significant rash found on some of the alleged victims and hear text messages Lucy Letby sent to colleagues after Baby A’s death.

In our continuation of the Trial of Lucy Letby, Liz and Caroline focus on the case of Baby B, the twin of Baby A. She was allegedly attacked 27 hours after her brother, but survived. We’ll hear testimony from nurses and doctors who successfully resuscitated Baby B when she collapsed. Liz and Caroline also chat to experienced journalist Kim Pilling, who works for the Press Association and has one of just a handful of ...

This week, Liz and Caroline review what the jury heard about the death of baby C, described by one nurse as the smallest baby she had ever seen. It is alleged that Lucy Letby was close to the infant’s cot and injected him with air causing his collapse, while her defence say she was not responsible and the hospital was not equipped to deal with a baby of his size.

In this episode, we’ll also hear texts Lucy Letby shared with a co...

In this episode Caroline and Liz examine the case of Baby D, a baby girl born full term, who was admitted to the neo-natal unit with an infection because of a hospital mistake. We hear testimony from her devastated parents who say they saw Lucy Letby ‘hovering’ around their daughter’s cot hours before she died.

We also have a fascinating interview with a court artist, who has drawn defendants and court scenes of some of the wor...

In this bonus episode of the Trial of Lucy Letby, Liz and Caroline speak to Julia Quenzler, a courtroom artist at the Lucy Letby trial. Over her 30 year career she has sketched defendants, barristers and court scenes of some of the most high profile cases in modern history. It is a fascinating listen that you won’t want to miss.

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In this episode Caroline and Liz examine what happened to Baby E, a premature twin boy who Lucy Letby allegedly attacked with a plastic medical tube or wire before she murdered him. We hear from his mother, who the prosecution say, interrupted the nurse while she was attacking her son, and about more text messages Lucy Letby exchanged with colleagues after his death. We also chat to former Old Bailey court reporter and media law ex...

In this episode Caroline and Liz examine what happened to Baby F, a premature twin boy who Lucy Letby allegedly tried to kill with insulin. We hear how his blood sugar suddenly crashed soon after the nurse allegedly poisoned his intravenous feed and how, after she finished her shift, she went salsa dancing with a colleague. We also chat to freelance broadcaster, Matt O’Donoghue, about the skill of condensing a day’s worth of e...

In this episode Caroline and Liz explain what the prosecution experts say happened to Baby F, a premature twin boy who Lucy Letby allegedly tried to poison with insulin.

We hear how two bags of feed were allegedly contaminated by Lucy Letby and how all of the nurses on duty during the night shift were called to court - and each denied putting insulin into baby F’s feed.

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In this episode, Caroline and Liz examine what happened to Baby G, the most premature baby in this case, who Lucy Letby allegedly tried to kill three times in a fortnight.

We also chat to former chief crown prosecutor, Nazir Afzal, about the difficulties faced by lawyers preparing and running such a long and complicated trial, and why advances in technology have revolutionised courtrooms.

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In this episode, Caroline and Liz explain how Lucy Letby allegedly tried to kill Baby G, the most premature baby in the case, on two more occasions.

We hear how she is said to have attacked the tiny infant on a day shift, within the space of five hours, on her original due date, leaving her with irreversible brain damage.

We also hear part two of the chat with former chief crown prosecutor, Nazir Afzal, where he describes the...

The Trial of Lucy Letby is back after the Christmas break with an interview with Mark Hanna, one of the editors of McNae’s Essential Law for Journalists - the book considered to be the ‘bible’ of media law for reporters. Liz and Caroline chat to Mark about the legal tightrope they are treading to bring listeners the podcast – one of the first to cover an ongoing legal case – each week.

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This week, Liz and Caroline had hoped to bring you details of evidence heard by the jury during their first week back. But, unexpectedly the case was delayed and unable to go ahead because of health and family issues relating to two members of the jury.

We’re hoping they will be back to normal next week. In the meantime, we have two excellent interviews this week: Part 2 of the interview with media law expert Mark Hanna, an...

In this episode, Caroline and Liz examine what happened to Baby H, a baby girl, who Lucy Letby allegedly tried to kill twice in 24 hours. In the early hours of September 26, 2015, Baby H collapsed and didn’t have a heartbeat for twenty-two minutes while staff battled to save her life. Jurors were told the doctors were so worried that they urged her parents to have her baptised in case she didn’t make it. 

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This week, Liz and Caroline finish explaining the evidence the jury heard in relation to Baby H, a premature baby girl who Lucy Letby is accused of trying to murder twice on consecutive night shifts. Baby H was a poorly baby who was on and off a ventilator while at the Countess of Chester Hospital. But within two days at Arrowe Park Hospital, she dramatically improved. Prosecutors say Lucy Letby was sabotaging her care while she wa...

In this episode, Liz and Caroline explain the evidence the jury have heard in relation to a very premature baby girl, Baby I, who Lucy Letby allegedly attacked three times, before murdering her on the fourth attempt.

Jurors heard from a doctor who said she saw Lucy Letby crying on the neo-natal unit and saying: ‘It’s always me when it happens, my babies…” The court was also shown a sympathy card Lucy Letby wrote to the par...

In this episode Liz and Caroline explain the evidence the jury have heard in relation to a premature baby girl, Baby J, who Lucy Letby is accused of attempting to murder by smothering in November 2015.

Baby J was born 8 weeks early and underwent surgery for a perforated bowel in the first few days after her birth. Jurors heard she was recovering well and her mother and father were preparing to take her home. But, the p...

In this episode, Liz and Caroline explain the rest of the evidence the jury have heard about Baby J, ‘a nice little baby’ who Lucy Letby is accused of attempting to murder in November 2015 by smothering. 

Jurors have been told her parents had been preparing to take her home when she suddenly collapsed and suffered two seizures at the end of a night shift. The court heard there was no ‘obvious’ medical ca...

In this episode Caroline and Liz examine what the prosecution say happened to Baby L, a twin boy Lucy Letby is accused of poisoning with insulin.

We also hear about how the nurse celebrated winning £135 on the Grand National shortly after the attack allegedly took place and how there was drama in court when she broke down in tears after a doctor she worked with gave evidence for the first time.

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