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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We'll a double header of provincial rugby adds Potty to
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a park tomorrow, the Wellington Prize hosting Otago and Round
two of the Fara Palmer Cup from eleven to thirty
five am. That'll week just after the All Blacks game
of course, so shoot on out after watching the All
Blacks and then the Wellington Lions and Round three of
the NPC are hosting Otago as well.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Well.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
For the Lions, skip of Brad Shields is back after
missing round two following us head knock and round one
and of course the Lions bouncing back last weekend against
white cut so after an opening loss to Canterbory. So
Brad is with us now. Morning to you, Brad, and
be happy with the way things got back on track
against white Cutter last weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yeah, mate, we I guess whenever you go better, you've
got to client try and hold those standards. So yeah,
sort of an interesting start for us to the campaign.
But I guess the outlook on rugby now is, you know,
we don't get a lot of time together as a
full squad, and it was really only that first week
before we played Tadamaki where we had a good number
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of guys that could fully commit to that week. So
it just shows, like you know, as the weeks go on,
hopefully we get better and better and obviously much better
than the Canterbury game. The boys did bloody well against
Wakatau and I thought they played eighty percent of that
game was really well. So just an exciting sort of
dealing for us, and again pose another challenge this week.
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We've going to try and back up a good performance
with a semi young group. We've got some really good
experience as well, so that's helping too. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Great, And I thought technically last weekend against White Cutter,
you would have been watching from home. I'm sure that
the team performed pretty well. You know, I'm making use
of the winds few good moments across the park that
I'm sure would have impressed that a lot of followers.
Has some of those sort of tactical discussions taken place
during that week.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, I guess to put one of the most pleasing
things at the back end of a week for any
team is as implementing a game plan that you you
sort of you know, study the other team and then
you you implement that during the week and instead of
transfer into the gamers and kind of work for most
of the game. Is that's the most pleasing thing because
that means guy, the you know, they're they're they're listening,
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and everyone's buying into the plan that you've got and
makes all the difference when it comes to the game.
And then you've got the bits and pieces that change
that are uncontrollable, like the win for example. And I
thought the boys played really well for the first thirty
eight minutes and then they unfortunately got their try before
halftime and then two quick tries after half time. So look,
I think for us it's just going to be about
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being consistent. And then especially at Totarga the back into
the game, they sort of came back in salt space,
so that kind of proves that consistency in this competition
is going to be important. And it's a bloody hard,
hard competition, and there's teams can turn up you know,
other teams on their given day, and I think the
competitive edge is really awesome. So yeah, it was pleasing
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see that transfer into a game or whatever we work
on during the week. So pretty happy.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
And you obviously picked up that knock in round one,
and obviously that means not playing the following rounds, But
what limitations are there in terms of your training, what
you're actually able to do with the team. You know,
while you're while you're out.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
There's a protocol that you have to go through. So
if that's the decision, is that it's a twelve day
stand down because of your testing and all that sort
of stuff, then you kind of have a gradual turn
to play, so sorry, return to play. So you've got
to start off with a light, light form of activity,
whether it's a light bike, and then have no symptoms
for twenty four hours after that, and then you move
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into a slightly more intense running session, no symptoms after that,
and then you move into a weight session or a
rugby session, and then you move the last thing to
take the boxes gradual contact. So it's a real it's
a really great sort of return to play for there
any stage when you get a symptom from a knockout
or a head knock or concussion, then you go go
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back to that previous step until you can do a
symptom free. So education wise, and I think and turn
the whole rugby outlook on concussion has changed over the
last sort of ten years he is, So I guess
it's just up to players to be smart about, you know,
when they do get head knocks, because all the all
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the process is in place for you to recover and
get back out and feel as quick as you can.
You've got to make sure you dot properly.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, indeed, site changing the loose forwards. Obviously, Peter Larkee's
had his little stint, and I believe is on his
way or close to being part of the All Black
set up now is he got too? And there? How
much does a personnel and somewort of Peter's experience, I
guess change how how you is a loose forward pack prepare.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
For the game. I think the interesting thing is the
Only and Peter are very similar players, you know, sort
of same I guess, physique, same sort of skill set.
Pete's obviously, you know, like I say, he's gone to
the All Black so he does leave a bit of
a hole. But he only has been there or thereabouts
for the last sort of three or four years. So
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and then you noticed, I'm not sure remember last year
when Duke's broke his jaw for six or seven weeks,
you only filled that slot seamlessly, So you know he's
not He's not the most talkative player on the field,
and I think he just gets about his work. And
I think we're really looking forward to see him put
his you know the old cliche, his best best for
Ford and get a bit of game time because he
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deserves that. He plays, he plays well during the club
season and you know, plays physical and and he's and
he's good around the park. So I think we're excited
to see how he goes and we just want to
wish Pete all the best for all Black endeavors and
hopefully gets to get some minutes for them as well.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Indeed, and Brad, when you left in twenty eighteen for England,
did you ever think seven years lad he you'd be
back playing with Steel Jackson, Guard and Baship, Julian Sava
and Matt Props are at a starting fifteen and Wellington again.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I think at the time I wasn't actually sure if
I'd ever be back in New Zealand playing but let alone, yeah,
like Wellington with some of those boys and and or
even we did a bit of a quiz at the
start of the year and our manager Miela we found well,
we didn't find out but they kind of asked how
long or how many seasons he done. This is his
tenth season in the in the Wellington Lions, so it's
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pretty cool. Like I think that's all part of rugby
is growing a lot of young guys coming through, but
I think it's really important that we try and hold
onto some of that experience and you can see what
might attend Cup or provincial rugby means to players as well,
like it's your first port of call when you're going
through your professional rugby stages as playing for Welltington or
playing for whatever problem you're from. So it's pretty cool
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to I guess in a long and a short way
of saying, get the band back together and having gone
that have been there, done that. You know, Jackson's done
one hundred games and you're met has been in and
out or away for a little bit like myself, and
then buses obviously just kind of chipping away as well.
So it's quite cool. And even guys like James O'Reilly
who's been around for a long time as well and
just add to that depth in our squad. I think and.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Aid and I guess, and you look at your opposite
for this this weekend Christian Leo Willie and there we
know what he's achieved so far this Yeah, how do
you sort of eye up that match up for this weekend.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, he's a great player and he's obviously done some
really good things this year for the Crusaders and some
system form of I think if if Otago is going
to go well, that's probably because he's playing out of
his skin. So we've we've definitely got to keep an
on him and I think it's at the end of
the day, it's just another player in the scheme of things,
but it's got to be aware of its ability and
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what he does with the ball. And I think that's
a good challenge for us when we come up against
guys who have made that next transition into the All Blacks,
because it's only going to bring the best the best
out of us. We've got to be on our toes
and yeah, we're looking forward to clashing and I think
he'll be impressive for them, But likewise, we've got a
lot of faith in our boys to do a job
and I guess takeaway or do our homework on any
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threats that they might have as well.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Brilliant Brad, We'll appreciate your time, mate. Go well tomorrow
out there at Potty to A Brad Shields, captain of
the Wellington line and continuing to look at tomorrow's provincial
rugby double header at Potty to A Park. The Wellington
Pride hit into their match against Otago tomorrow after an
opening win against Tasman Away last week better and Pride
lose four. Jackie Partia Fretti joins me morning to you,
Jackie and the would have been happy with that one
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last week.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Hey, thanks for having me. Yeah, pretty happy with how
we went last week in I know it was a
bit of a slow start and our backs and fire
we went able to allow backs to fly into the
second half. Overall, pretty happy with how the girls win,
especially with nine debutants I believe we had.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, amazing, isn't it. And you've been around this team
for more than a decade. I mean, how have you enjoyed,
you know, just saying that the constant new group of
players come and that's a lot of debutants for a season,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Nine? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I think this is the first time there's been nine,
but now yeah, it's been It's been greater. We've had
like five six weeks pre season before our first game,
which has been pretty good, like just getting to neighbor
and then coming together in training hard, in the in
the in the young group that we have as well,
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it's pretty exciting to see, you know, the the I
think they've got a lot more to offer as well,
even though people got a glimpse of that last week.
There's so much more for so much more that they
can give as well.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Yeah, I guess having had all that time you talk
about before pre season, you would have got a sense
of what the strengths of the team were before the
win over Tasman. So what did you sort of feel
confident about in terms of an area of the park
or why the team could could gel before the opener
last weekend.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Yeah, I believe that we had a stronger four pack
and thought our seat piece was one of our weapons
heading into that game. But also we had exciting backs
obviously with Kira fall back. As you if you guys
watched the game, you've sort of seen Bailey as well
on the wing when she came on. She was pretty
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emit playing as well Letier as well. You know, there's
a whole bunch of them in their back claim who
had been really exciting to see and I can't wait
for the remainder of the seat, and so they ken
Jiba and what they have.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
For your your rugby journey, Jackie, You've been part of
this team for for so long. Now have you enjoyed
sort of the journey over the years? Obviously you know
that the women's game has expanded, You've obviously been captain
of the Hurricanes poor as well and other things. Have
you enjoyed that this rugby journey to where you find
yourself now.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
It's been It's been pretty good. I've been happy with Obviously,
there's been highs and lows, and we had last week
when we were down South. We had some question like
some of the girls ask us myself in Sanita some
questions on the Friday night, and one of the questions
was do I have any regrets over the years, And
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I don't have any regrets. I'm pretty happy with highs
and loads, like I said, because there's been a lot
of learnings along the way, and I don't think I'll
be where I am or have been able to achieve
what I've achieved. And if it wasn't for the lessons
of Los along the ways as well.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
So yeah, that's cool. How important is that to you,
kind of offering that advice to the next stuff and comer,
So you know, there's always such young players coming into
these teams.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, I think it's quite important that they get a
sense of what it was like for us coming through,
because I think with myself and sending it, Anita came through,
we had the Rubecca, Lona's, Dornbud City Sells, Serena Curtis,
so they were the So that generation was quite hard,
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and now we'll come into the we're like the middle
generation where we're now trying to find the balance because
there's also you've got to be quite wary of people's
feelings now, but at Lea's kind of that. I guess
we're the middle people where we can find that balance
of trying to get the best out of our young
players and being able to share what we went through
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so they get a sense of what it was actually like.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, yeah, that's great And obviously just and with rugby
in general, there's obviously a lot of our top female
players that are that are getting offers from rugby league
and things. How do you think rugby union can stay
strong and make sure that you know that sport in
your sport holds on to the best players, not just
here in Wellington but around New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
I think offering more contracts out. Obviously, if you in
the Blackboans or within the Blackbourn's frame, you're pretty much
the only one's getting paid to play rugby. Everyone else
is at the amateur level where they're still got to
work and study and so forth. So I think if
they bring up more contracts like they do for the Memes,
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the whole players, there'll be good. But at the same time,
I know I've heard from others that within league they
actually like taking union players if you're young and you're
wanting to stay in union, because then you have that
pathway to league as well, if that makes sense, not
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just like so these If you look at the amounts
of union players who have actually gone over and got
contracts with the girls who are trying to get into
the you know, our w straight from league, they're not
getting the contracts at the union play Gilds are getting.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
If it makes yeah, totally yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I think they just need to get more contracts out
much just for their black friends and whe I scored
Black Thoms players.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
All right, we'll look in particular to this weekend's game.
You've got Otargo as part of the double header. It's
our body door part. What kind of game are you expecting?
What has been the focus after the first round last
weekend as you got back together later this week.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Our focus for this weekend is just to make sure
that we're connected. We know that they are a more
experienced team than the team that we have, but at
the same time we know that they're also physical, so
expect the unexpected and also just been connected as a
team on the field.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Great awesome Jackie, he will always got to catch up ready.
Appreciate your insight and to everything going on and rugby
at the moment. And I know the weather is starting
to improve for Sunday, so I'm sure it'll be a
good crowd out there at at pottydor Park. So thanks
for chatting and go well.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
No worries. Thanks for your time, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
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