The Government's slamming the requirement for builders of a new Ikea in Auckland - to consult with seven mana whenua groups.
Consent for the Sylvia Park store requires iwi consultation around erosion, stormwater treatment, and planting.
ACT's Simon Court flagged the issue, and the Prime Minister's called it insane.
RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop says it's ridiculous - and why we can't have nice things in New Zealand.
"And it's exactly the reason why we are ultimately repealing and replacing the RMA with new legislation. This is the red tape that gets in the way and drives up the costs."
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Now.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
There's been a fair bit of attention over the weekend
on the resource consent requirements that IKEA had to meet
to build a Sylvia Park store.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Now.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
This included consulting with seven man of fennuware groups on
water and land management, and also inviting man Offena were
to perform Karakia and other cultural ceremonies on the site
at least three separate times. Chris Bishop is the minister
responsible for RMA reforming with us now, Hey Bush, Hello,
are you happy with us? Or you're going to change it?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Oh? I read it over the weekend from Simon Cord
who put it out, and I just thought, oh, jeepus creepers,
here we go again. Is this of the stuff that
drives people absolutely bonkers? Right? And it's exactly the reason
why we are ultimately repealing and replacing the RMA with
new legislation. It's the sort of red tape that just
gets in the way. It drives up the costs, makes
it too hard to do st in this country. Imagine
(01:04):
having to go through all that just to build an Ikea.
I mean, as David more It said, you know, this
is why we can't have nice things in New Zealand
and it's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Can you tell me what part of the RMA allows
this to happen.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
There are sections of the RMA around engagement with Mana
Fenua and local ewi and cultural impact assessments and things
like that. There's a whole there's a whole suite of
pieces of legislation or pieces of the RMA that that
will allow this. But to be honest, councils go way
too far and people who grant them sents go way
(01:38):
too far on this stuff. So some of it is
authorized by the Act and we're changing the Act to
get rid of that. But it's also a cultural thing
where councils, you know, randomly add this stuff into resource.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
So this is anl thing.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
It's well, yeah, ultimately counsels are the ones who who
grant resource consents under the RMA, so it's but it's
fundamentally it's the authorizing statute and that's why we're changing it.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
So if you change the RMA, how can you change
it to avoid Auckland Council just interpreting your future RMA
exactly like this.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
So you've got to put in really strict guard rails
to actually prevent make it not legal to do those things.
And that's what Simon Court and I are going through
at the moment, where where you know, literally were are
donkey deep at the moment receiving you know, hundreds of
pieces of paper each and every week, going through making
detailed decisions around this stuff. And we are, I just
want to assure everyone listening, we are so keen and
(02:33):
clear on making the act simpler and making it easier
to do things, and we are just got an absolute
focus on stripping out the bureaucracy of the stuff. You
do need some things, but you know, as simple as possible.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Okay, But what of the things that you have seen
here with IKEA do you want to make sure cannot
happen under your new RMA.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Well, I don't think, for example, that it should be
you should be allowed to make it mandatory to invite
representatives of Manofenoa groups to engage in curR care on
sites that should not be a mandate tree resource consent
requirement before the commencement of earthworks or immediately prior to
completely What.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
About what about having to consult with manta fena were
on things like erosion and sediment control measures, stormwater treatment
and planting.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Now, I don't think that should be required. I do
think I just want to stress I do think there
is a role for marfeno in the resource management process.
It's where, for example, you are affecting take for example,
a site of significance to the local the local EWI
for example, where they haven't an elder who's buried, or
a Camarto whose passed, or there was a par in
the past, or there was a battle ground those things.
(03:43):
I think most reasonable people would say, well, you actually
you should if you want to do something, you should
go and talk to the people affected by it. But
stuff like you know, stormwater treatment, planting, ecological enhancements. I'm
reading the resource and sent now, erosion and sediment control.
I mean that that is just standard operating. To see,
it's just there's just stuff that you do to build something,
go and talk to.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
How do we get to this place that this is
a requirement. Manta fena will must be afforded access to
the site at their discretion. So they just basically say hey,
we want to come and have a look and everything
has to be stopped at the discretion they should be
allowed on. How did that happen?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Well, exactly, it's the RMA. I mean, it's just it's
the condition of the resource consent society.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Like the fact that this is the fact that an
authority like Auckland would decide that this has to be
in there says that we've gone quite far in our heads,
haven't we.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Well, yeah, I mean it's an unfortunate reality of the
world we live in and that's why we're changing it.
This government was elected to kind of get rid of
this sort of stuff and that's what we're going to do.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Hey, as Minister of Housing, what are you going to
do about the maybe hundreds of thousands of homes that
have not met the healthy home standard ahead of tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Well, that the law is the law. People have got
to crack on and get on with it. The good
news is most people have followed the law you're.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Looking at, because some of those those surveys that were
in the papers yesterday said the vast majority haven't.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, well a lot you know, a lot of landlords
have have moved heaven on Earth over the last four
or five years to comply, but my missage Lands who
heaven us get on with it.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Good on you, hey, thank you very much, Chris, I
really appreciate it. Chris Bishop, Minister responsible for RAMA Reform,
also Housing Minister
Speaker 1 (05:22):
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You're listening to a podcast from news Talk zed B.
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Now.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
There's been a fair bit of attention over the weekend
on the resource consent requirements that IKEA had to meet
to build a Sylvia Park store.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Now.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
This included consulting with seven man of fennuware groups on
water and land management, and also inviting man Offena were
to perform Karakia and other cultural ceremonies on the site
at least three separate times. Chris Bishop is the minister
responsible for RMA reforming with us now, Hey Bush, Hello,
are you happy with us? Or you're going to change it?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Oh? I read it over the weekend from Simon Cord
who put it out, and I just thought, oh, jeepus creepers,
here we go again. Is this of the stuff that
drives people absolutely bonkers? Right? And it's exactly the reason
why we are ultimately repealing and replacing the RMA with
new legislation. It's the sort of red tape that just
gets in the way. It drives up the costs, makes
it too hard to do st in this country. Imagine
(01:04):
having to go through all that just to build an Ikea.
I mean, as David more It said, you know, this
is why we can't have nice things in New Zealand
and it's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Can you tell me what part of the RMA allows
this to happen.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
There are sections of the RMA around engagement with Mana
Fenua and local ewi and cultural impact assessments and things
like that. There's a whole there's a whole suite of
pieces of legislation or pieces of the RMA that that
will allow this. But to be honest, councils go way
too far and people who grant them sents go way
(01:38):
too far on this stuff. So some of it is
authorized by the Act and we're changing the Act to
get rid of that. But it's also a cultural thing
where councils, you know, randomly add this stuff into resource.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
So this is anl thing.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
It's well, yeah, ultimately counsels are the ones who who
grant resource consents under the RMA, so it's but it's
fundamentally it's the authorizing statute and that's why we're changing it.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
So if you change the RMA, how can you change
it to avoid Auckland Council just interpreting your future RMA
exactly like this.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
So you've got to put in really strict guard rails
to actually prevent make it not legal to do those things.
And that's what Simon Court and I are going through
at the moment, where where you know, literally were are
donkey deep at the moment receiving you know, hundreds of
pieces of paper each and every week, going through making
detailed decisions around this stuff. And we are, I just
want to assure everyone listening, we are so keen and
(02:33):
clear on making the act simpler and making it easier
to do things, and we are just got an absolute
focus on stripping out the bureaucracy of the stuff. You
do need some things, but you know, as simple as possible.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Okay, But what of the things that you have seen
here with IKEA do you want to make sure cannot
happen under your new RMA.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Well, I don't think, for example, that it should be
you should be allowed to make it mandatory to invite
representatives of Manofenoa groups to engage in curR care on
sites that should not be a mandate tree resource consent
requirement before the commencement of earthworks or immediately prior to
completely What.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
About what about having to consult with manta fena were
on things like erosion and sediment control measures, stormwater treatment
and planting.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Now, I don't think that should be required. I do
think I just want to stress I do think there
is a role for marfeno in the resource management process.
It's where, for example, you are affecting take for example,
a site of significance to the local the local EWI
for example, where they haven't an elder who's buried, or
a Camarto whose passed, or there was a par in
the past, or there was a battle ground those things.
(03:43):
I think most reasonable people would say, well, you actually
you should if you want to do something, you should
go and talk to the people affected by it. But
stuff like you know, stormwater treatment, planting, ecological enhancements. I'm
reading the resource and sent now, erosion and sediment control.
I mean that that is just standard operating. To see,
it's just there's just stuff that you do to build something,
go and talk to.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
How do we get to this place that this is
a requirement. Manta fena will must be afforded access to
the site at their discretion. So they just basically say hey,
we want to come and have a look and everything
has to be stopped at the discretion they should be
allowed on. How did that happen?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Well, exactly, it's the RMA. I mean, it's just it's
the condition of the resource consent society.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Like the fact that this is the fact that an
authority like Auckland would decide that this has to be
in there says that we've gone quite far in our heads,
haven't we.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Well, yeah, I mean it's an unfortunate reality of the
world we live in and that's why we're changing it.
This government was elected to kind of get rid of
this sort of stuff and that's what we're going to do.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Hey, as Minister of Housing, what are you going to
do about the maybe hundreds of thousands of homes that
have not met the healthy home standard ahead of tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Well, that the law is the law. People have got
to crack on and get on with it. The good
news is most people have followed the law you're.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Looking at, because some of those those surveys that were
in the papers yesterday said the vast majority haven't.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, well a lot you know, a lot of landlords
have have moved heaven on Earth over the last four
or five years to comply, but my missage Lands who
heaven us get on with it.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Good on you, hey, thank you very much, Chris, I
really appreciate it. Chris Bishop, Minister responsible for RAMA Reform,
also Housing Minister
Speaker 1 (05:22):
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