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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, and welcome to If These Walls Could Talk, the
Razine podcast where we discuss ideas on decorating color and
all things paint. Join us as we welcome guests from
across the world of design. If there's something you'd love
to hear about, email the team editor at Habitat by
Razine dot co dot NZ. Welcome back to the studio,
(00:23):
Ammy Watkins. Now let's talk about your Razine customers. Are
there any who have maybe challenged you a little bit
in terms of their grand ideas with color?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
One that always comes to mind where they wanted very
intense color tones on all the walls. And I'm all
about color, but even this one was like, Okay, how
are we going to do this? And she wanted Razine bullseye,
which is an intense red yeah, and then wild thing,
(00:55):
oh quirky all the walls and that's a lot of
bowl primary, fowle primary. And it was going to be
a rental property.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Oh, they weren't going to live in it. No wow.
I mean that's fascinating because those are very energized colors,
but they're also quite controversial just because it's a rental
I mean, if that were in say a restaurant, you
would walk in and go wow in an environment that
in a home, you walk in and go, how am
I going to relax in air?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
And that's the key, and that was a real kind
of talking point, is trying to get them to understand
we just need to peel it down so then it
does give you that respel so you can still have
the yellow bass and potentially go more into say Rasine
Porsche because it's just got a little hint of the
ochre in it that just dilutes that color, dilutes that intensity,
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so it's still a yellow, but you walk in and
it's like, Okay, it's a nice fresh yellow, a post
to an intensity because it's on all four walls and
it's almost like the sun's.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
The sun rising in my room. Yeah, I mean I
get where they're coming from. Yeah, it's a gorgeous concept.
And that's probably a large part of your job, isn't it.
Trying to get people to bring out what they love,
but also then create it in a way that really
reflects their personality but is also incredibly livable.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Absolutely, because as finding that balance as to making sure
we want everyone to express their personality, of course, but
just making sure that you can express a personality and
you're still going to be happy with it in five years.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Tell me what you think has changed tonally with razine colors. Say,
in the last five years, we're gone into the swarm palette.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
So I remember when, Yeah, that five year mark, we
were so much into this cooler color tones. You're seeing
lots of the grays and everything like that, whereas now
we're wanting to go light, We're wanting to immerse ourselves
in a little hint color as well as it all
being kind of the warmer color tones. And you see
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it in the first instance with your exteriors because for
the longest times everyone just ad gray, gray, gray, and
then we went white and white. And now we're kind
of getting people that are wanting colors like the Robin's
egg blue. Oh pretty Yeah, these kind of real mixture
of your blue green mix. And then I've even had
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people that have done pinks on the exterior.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Oh, that would look amazing different.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
It's different, And it did stand out, but stood out
on the right way because it was razine wafer, so
it was enough that again it had the mix. It
was one that just caught your eye as you were
walking down the street. And I think New Zealanders are
starting to take components from the Australia shows with all
those deer wires. They're more into using color, whereas we've
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always been that little bit more conservative, and we're starting
to break into actually going, hey, we can do this too.
We can have color.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Absolutely, we can all have exactly I think it's it's
and this must be a large part of your job
as well, helping people gain that confidence to trust that
they know what they want, because often that's part of
the job is actually going you know what you want.
I'm just here to help you find it and to
guide you in the right direction to make it really
work as a cohesive home.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, And I think that's the biggest thing is people
when they go into a color consultation, their expectation is
you're going to tell them what to do, and we're like, no,
we're going to have a discussion to make sure that
you're going to be happy with it. Because a lot
of them when I first go up what would you do?
And I was like, no, what would you like?
Speaker 1 (04:42):
What?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
What do you use this space for? What kind of direction?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
How do you live day to day? So to walk
me through, walk me through a kind of consultation.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
So it very much is when you first walk in,
show me a home, take me around, walk me through,
true as if I was just a day to day guest,
going show me the spaces as we flow through, because
then we start to get an idea of where we
need to make connections, because the last thing you want
is to have one accent wall here that then doesn't
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flow to that next space. So it's doing a bit
of a step by step tour, and then from there
it's that discussion as to okay, we're in the living space.
Is this a family space or is this only used
in the evening? Is it used in the morning, So
we understand how that light is then going to affect.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
And the colors that you put in are so affected
by light. If the sun's shining directly into the room
or if it's an evening room more so, then you
can change your palette to adapt to that absolutely.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
And that's the biggest kind of component for those living
spaces in particular, because you start to see in those
family rooms that people want to have almost a dark
and more intimate especially immediately you go into it and
it makes you go take a deep breath.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I mean, there's that contentious issue when you're dealing with
a couple, how do you make both of them happy
with the razine color palette.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
That's where your neutrals come into play. So there needs
to be a staple with any color palette for your home.
And more often than not, this is where the importance
of your white comes in, right, So with your whites,
say you've got someone that's wanting the cool and white
of your black white, and then another one that's wanting
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the warmer of the bianca. That's your two kind of
opposites of even your neutrals. So the first thing is
immediately actually holding it up without the name can be
often the first sense, and it's like, yep, the one
on the right or the one on the left, And
more often than not they actually typically go the same.
But they were so hooked on the name itself.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Oh that's interesting because they'd gone, right, this is me
and this is either I'm leaning towards this, so I'm
going to stick with that.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And it comes into that Yeah, mind over matter, going Ah,
Actually I quite like this warmer one.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
What are some of the queries that people have when
they come in that are regular that you keep hearing about,
and what are the solutions that you can offer.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I think one of the staples is what white do
I choose? Of course, because I mean everyone sees our
whites and goes, oh my goodness, where do I start?
There's a few to choose from there is, and for
good reason. The biggest component that people forget about is
your floorings. And because more often than not it's a
new build or they're doing renovations, your flooring is going
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to dictate very quickly as to what paint color can
go on the wall. And it's something that people often
forget because paint goes up more often than not before flooring.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
It's interesting, though, because flooring is such a ground like
literally and figuratively. It's such a grounding part of your home.
And you're absolutely right because you don't see it before
you choose your paint colors, or you look at it
and go right, well, any color will go with that.
It's a really important question.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Absolutely. It's something that when I'm bocking a console or
an in store, I always say, have you looked at
your joinery? Have you looked at your flooring? Bringing those
samples in or at least give me the heads up
as to which ones, so I know, okay, this is
actually more the direction. You'll have to go down into
the cooler base whites of like your poured milk or
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black white.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
As you said before, if someone's got something absolutely stuck
in their head, is it tricky to change them or
do you use that very clever method of just taking
the name away and popping up a range of colors
and kind of going, well, which one's pulling you.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I always remove the name from the equation because it's
something that a lot of people. You hear the names.
You ask your friend, oh, what did you pay? Ain't
your house and they'll mention it, and it's like, well,
actually this might not work for you.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
It's funny, isn't it, because we do. We've all walked
into a beautiful home and gone, oh what color is
your warning You're like, oh, it's sea fog, and oh
my gosh, I have to do everything seafog, and then
you kind of find yourself going but it doesn't actually
work in the space that I'm trying to translate it into.
And that's where you have to be really clever. I'm
guessing as a color consultant and say to them, what, actually,
that might not work in your space as well. You
(09:27):
might need something cooler, you might need something a little
bit more razine, black white or that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Absolutely, and it's that whole kind of guiding element, and
we're there to reassure them and making sure that they
have confidence with us. And the other thing is you've
got these little paint swatches. So even though all of
our color charts are as true to color as you
can get because they're screen printed, then you put it
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up on a larger scale and they're like, it looks different.
It's just optical illusion.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
It does though, it does. And then there's that thing
of moving it around to different areas of the room
so that light can hit it at different times of
the day and different amounts of light hitting it. I
think that's really key in terms of people being able
to understand what light does, like sunlight or evening light
does to a color and how much it changes it.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Absolutely, and it could even be your light bulbs because
it's your warm, cool light. So that's that real important
in that testing process. Getting those brushouts blue, tacking to
the wall, and then actually giving yourself a few days
to actually sit there and look at it and passing,
so you're not having to make a decision right then
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and there.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I think that's an interesting point, though I've definitely been
in situations where people feel rushed to make a decision.
Perhaps the painters are saying, look, I need to get
in there, I can only do it at this time.
What would you recommend they do? In those sorts of situations.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
That's where it's really important to have that discussion. Reach
out to a color consultant like myself, because then we
understand that component of the color and can help you
to understand, and we can explain it and go okay, well,
we know you're being rushed. This is what it's likely
to do in the morning, middle of the day, in evening,
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so you're starting to get a little bit of an understanding.
But also more often than not, you're choosing a neutral
that's going right through and then you feature walls or
just a feature bedroom. So if the painter needs the
paint the next day, get them to start in a
smaller area like a bathroom or just a bedroom, and
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then if you're liking the color, then they can continue
into those larger living rooms.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
It is about feeling. It's all about you want to
walk past the color and go, yeah, that's a.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Bit of me exactly. It's all about that emotional connection.
If you don't have that connection with the color, why
would you choose.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I think that is key. It's all about how certain
colors affect people as well. And I'm guessing that's a
very large part of your job. It's almost a psychological part.
You kind of have to get underneath the skin of
your clients and go, tell me what makes you tick.
What colors are going to make you feel great?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Well, it is that color is such. There is a
reason why there's color psychology and things like that. And
when it comes to your schools or your retirement villages,
there's certain colors that you put in those spaces because
we want to reflect what we're trying to portray in
those environments. Because you're seeing, in particular in schools at
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the moment, actually they're branching out and seeing the importance
of color actually being in either the playground or the
hallways because it livens up the kids, it gets them
excited to go to school. The last thing you want
is more white walls.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
We need them to be energized and excited about learning. Now,
tell me, people often feel that they want to show
their personality in some ways. What do you recommend in
terms of skirting boards, you know, trimson doors, window cells.
Are you for the same color or would you like
it to pop out a little bit? What do you recommend?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I go in between a whole lot, So it completely
depends on what the wall color is and what the
setting is. So I'm all about it if I'm doing it
as a neutral. So anything in these kind of light
off white color tones, I do windows, doors, skirting actroves,
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walls all the same color. So then it's just that
real minimalist look. But then, in saying that, so if
it's been this kind of modern new build, almost architecturally
designed home that has a bit of an industrial feel,
I've flipped it a little bit and I start to
bring darker on the trims, so taking it away from
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that traditional element.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Of the light on the trims.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Is the light on the trims?
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yes, But also let's talk about finishes on trims, because
often you can use say you were doing all black white,
you could do black white on all of your walls
and then your trims you could do like a high
gloss which bring out that color.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Exactly, so you don't actually have to change the color
tone by changing that gloss level and that shine level.
That's enough that adds a bit of a third dimension
to it in that sense and boost the color, doesn't
it does. It helps to intensify it. So that's where
it can be fantastic to look in the color shops
because you've got an example of how the color will
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vary eight with your different glass levels. So in particular,
if you are looking at this almost white on white lock,
I love the difference between a low sheine to a
full gloss via trumps because it does give you that intensity.
It does liven up that space so then it's not
all kind of white white. I think it's a great
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kind of talking point to be able to have it.
And it comes down to like your kid's spaces, Oh yeah, lovely.
That would be a perfect kind of opportunity because the
kids could go wild and have their whole You could have,
say I've got a couple of kids who could have
each kids have a different window frame, door frame.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Well, it's not disimilar to what you're talking about with
your son, you know, the bright yellow exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
That's great, and it's a way of personalizing it without
it being too intense for a day to day living.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
It's like an accent, but it's a living accent exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I mean, we've always been a nation of d wires
over exactly, but it's like now people are trying it
with paint.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
That's wonderful. We're letting our creative souls grow exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Isn't that what it's all about.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
I think that's what it's all about. Well, thank you
so much for coming and joining me. I have so
enjoyed talking to Amy, and we will look forward to
talking to you again sometimes.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
So very welcome.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Thank you for having me, and thank you for joining
us on If these walls could talk, Remember to send
those questions through to editor at habitat by Razine dot
co dot nz. Talk soon, no