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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This Jentleman Ben podcast brought to you by Hello Fresh,
the Experts and Tastes that Kiwis Love whom joins in
the studio. New book, The Life of Die Congratulations, a
beautiful book.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hey, thanks.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
It's something I never thought I would actually do a
book because my job is generally standing up, talking rubbish
and walking away, whereas the book involves a lot of writing,
rewriting forever exactly. That's what stress me out because it's
like I wanted to get everything right and then there's
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a point where you've just got to get it out there,
and then you're editing and they're like, send me a
word document and it's okay.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
So we've got about a thousand things you need to
look at, like is this ah an ann.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Or exactly I did none of it's about my life,
your story.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
But then obviously with you know what you've been going
through the last few years, it's all so about hope
and motivation and people can take a lot for their
lives out of what you've gone through.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
That's the whole thing with this book. It's got a
lot of laughs in it, It's got my sort of
trajectory through comedy, and then it moves into what I've
been dealing with sort of an incurable cancer diagnosis over
the last four years. A lot of tips in there
how you just can deal with anxiety and depression and
things like that.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
So I'm super proud of it.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Plus it's got just the weird life I've lived and
the weird how I've ended up doing gigs. I's got
a great story in there about my weirdest gig where
I show up and look at the lineup. Savage the
rapper is myself and buzz Aldron.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
There was the lineup. It's go Grand Convention Center.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Now, your average late sixties space nerve is not a
massive fan of New Zealan Savage and I right, we've
got a bit of crossover audience. And so so buzz
Aldron goes up and yeah, so I go up and
I just welcome people. Then buzz Aldron is the warm
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up peck. He comes out and he's always good value,
buzz Aldron because he Neil Armstrong got on the moon right,
he had the one great step for man, one giant
step for mankind.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Buzz Aldron, it was the last person out of the spaceship.
He gets out, shuts the door, pets his suit and
goes I left the bloody.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Keys, and he played a gag.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
He should have locked us, locked us.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
He should have been the line that we all remember if.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
It was just a gig. So they get buzz aldroing up.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Buzz he's a bit of a he's a bit of
an interesting guy because he punched out someone in a courtroom.
Remember who said they didn't land on the moon.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
The moon landing was faked. He this thing. Then the
organized gers to me. Now you go up there and
you go, thanks.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Very much, the buzz Aldron, Now can you please give
it up?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
So I do that Savage comes out, white towel, you know,
live me. He you the crowd.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
The crowd is slowly like Taks a few minutes ago.
Come the Savage. There's no one else just with.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I reckon. People have been at a long.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Lunch in a sort of flashed up restaurant. You're on
your third bottle of peanut grey, maybe seven. Maybe you
go buzz Aldron the seven. These fun stories in there.
It's a very conversational read. Jackie Brown, who's just we
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were talking off here, Megan.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, I love it and it was great that you
guys are still friends because you talk at the book
that you know. She was hosting a show Pop Goes
to the Weasel, and one of the gags was to
tip mayonnaise all over you at the end. You had
no idea about it, like drop from the roof and
you're allergic to eggs.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Yeah, so you glossed over quite a crucial point in
that story. I was meant to just be wrestling a
porn star and a paddling pol of mayonnaise. The mayonnaise
had nothing to do with it. It's just the peddling pool,
which was the It was the diameter of the ring.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Jeez, you've done some high concept stuff over there.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Pawn stars and they were like this Pop Goes the
Weasel music game show. If you lose this round, you
have to wrestle a porn star in a paeddling pool.
So I'm standing in a peddling pool just saying that,
how can I do this?
Speaker 4 (04:44):
It's awkward?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
We do you grab them without it getting awkward?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
So then we both step into the peddling pool twenty
leaders and mayonnaise falls out of the lighting grid and
I'm just panicking. I'm allergic to egg I get anaphylactic shot.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
All right, start swelling a bit. Oh, you actually reacted.
I'm just screaming. I'm allergically. You gotta tell someone when
you drop mayonnaise. Strangely, this felt like just another day.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I dividently had a few more issues with it, and
then I know you've got to tell someone, because I'm like,
I could just act it.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
And even if you.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Know someone's going to drop twenty leaders and mayonnaise, it's
still surprising. And so then once the furoria died down,
I had been checked up, I hadn't swallowed in it.
It was sort of okay. I just said a bit
of swelling.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
On my face.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Then we suddenly realized they went, oh, this is a
TV studio. Those lights are really hot. And it was
the three News studio. Oh, the pilots so Sam Hays
and McRoberts. The whole studio stung mayonnaise for.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Like three weeks. You boys, remember the C four days.
Oh wold, there was no apartment, there was nothing.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
You've got an idea, you have to.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Go to air, so we've got to do something.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Yeah, and sometimes you haven't fully thought through the repercussions
of how my play out Honestly, I believe that's.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
How all of our TV careers started has just out
of pure desperation for them to fill it on.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
We were pretty much delivering this tap as it was
going into No one was watching any of this before
it went to air.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Got Die in with Us, Life of Died the book
out now, you must have.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Fd it quite therapeutic.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Yeah, going through this whole writing process I magic.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
So ironically it was therapeutic, but it was also I
was doing chemotherapy at the time of writing it, and
at the publication of the book, I'd done twenty rounds
of chema.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I've done twenty six now.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
It was also sort of therapeutic yet traumatic in a
way because I was then going through this intense six surgeries.
It's had six major surgeries and all this chemo and radiation,
so I sort of going through that and piecing it together.
But then it was actually sort of a testament to
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how much a human can go through. And also, I'm
a very positive person, and my sort of motto through
this and my motto for life, is that optimism won't
cure me, but pessimism will kill me. You got to
keep I've got to just get out there and live life.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
And it's about just remembering you've got to love.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
You've got to love yourself, you've got to love your friends,
and you've got to just live today.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I'm living with cancer and not enough.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
People people who aren't touched with something that maybe makes
them aware on the clock, like actually have a finite time,
which we all do. A lot of people aren't living
and I'm like, I can pack so much life.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
In not today. I'm not doing treatment, talking with mates
at moment.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
And that's the thing is, like you're on Instagram, you
see a lot of people living in the moment with
Lululemon leggings promoting a portable glender.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
You know, I'm just living in the moment.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
But it's actually so hard to do that whole idea
of mindfulness being present is really hard to do. So
now I'm far more conscious of Okay, I'm going out
to play mini girlf with my daughter.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Just put the phone in the cat.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
You got a putter in your in your in your
front yard or backyard as well. Yeah, and that sort
of gives you a moment to stop and reflect as well.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Yeah, I'm I'm sort of when I was younger, I
was over in Japan and I my dad was touring
a theater show and one of the actors was a
Buddhist and she took me to a monastery and I
learned fools in Buddhism and Zazen meditation.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Then I got on the puss.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
For a bit, and then strangely enough, just as I said,
I sort of got sober just before.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
My diagnosis, and then when I had my diagnosis, I
could fall back on this foundation of meditation I had
in that and that's been so amazing for keeping my
head straight.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Because the thing is, if I'm worrying about my next.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Chemo, which I'd probably have to do some radiation and
chemo in the near future, if I'm worrying about that
now it's ruining today, I'll.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Have plenty of time to freak out about it when I'm.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Driving there, you know, like, don't worry twice.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
What a great way to approach it because you you
obviously went through it, but just personally for I think
it was one to two years when you before you
were went public with it. So a lot of people
go through cancer, but then having to go through it
on such a public platform, I imagine a huge outpouring
of support.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
How do you handle that? It helped being public.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I was worried about how it was going to happen
because I've been private and people were just coming up
to me the street or after gigs, coming up real
hard out.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
But and then I was had all the sadness and
trauma was going on.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I was just bottling it up.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
And now people just come up with so much empathy
and so granted a lot of people get.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
The wrong end of the stick sometimes.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I've done this interview with Jackie Brown where I came
out publicly.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
And went out.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Was it an hour on YouTube? It was a little
segment on the project. The next day, this guy comes
up to in my KFA went mate. The interview just
really touched me.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
I mean, I'm so sorry to hear about your aide.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
When I watched the whole thing, you really got the
wrong end of the stick.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
The thing was he was honestly kind and got me thinking,
what else in your life are you just kidding? Urenssly wrong.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
About the bog as before. It's great for you what
you can do, yeah, supporting people, you know, things like
you I thought was really good and you're like just
do something. Don't ask them questions. You go through something,
don't bring them around a me or take their kids
out or things like that without asking them giving them
another question.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Definitely make sure you know the kids. That's the thing
that is because when people are going through something massive,
especially on the health front, so much of it is
decision fatigue. But if you just go, look, I just
put fifty bucks, here's a fifty buck or you know,
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he's for me. I was given some amazing like linen
sort of sleep pants, and they have been they went
through all my hospital trips for me. They're so comfortable.
It's that thing of I wouldn't have thought to get
them for myself. And it was just a little bright spark.
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And we've got mates who are very close with my kids,
and that thing of take you out to the Blues
game or something like that, and it's just then the
kids are having a great time, you know, because even
though we've been very honest with our children, there's still
you know, they can feel attention or the worry yes
the house, so no, just get just jump in. And
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also you can't do anything wrong. It's a bit like
when you're trying to speak a language you can't speak.
If you're making the effort. Honestly, people appreciate that. It
doesn't matter if you make mistakes. And if someone out
there is dealing with something bigger and you just when
you're having a coffee of them, hey do you want
to chat about it or not? And you know, just
go sometimes just sick of talking about it.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Let's just because you wonder that. And I've got up
with you and we did the warriores. You know, do
you bring it up or do you just go, hey,
we're here for the warriors. You probably don't want to
talk about it. That's still about the Warriors. We watched
twenty to thirty hours a week of league.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I read the box quite.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
And I would time at odd time my surgeries with
the league round. So like I'd always get a surgery
on a Thursday, and it would usually I come to
about nine pm and then I'm watching on my iPad.
I came out of my liver surgery and because I
don't tolerate opioids very well, they give me Kiddymine instead,
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so they gave me Kiddine which is quite full, and
I'm watching and I'm watching my iPad with the and
the Warriors are playing in three D, and I was like.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
To the nurse, check this out. This game is amz.
So I did have the.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Joy of watching probably the most amazing game and rugby
in my life. And then because there's like eight games
in a weekend, then I'd be in hospital and I
would have something.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
To look forward to.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Although when I'd had a lung surgery and they're really
monitoring your vitals, they wouldn't allow me to work the
Warriors because they said I was in the it's like
lung and heart area and they said, oh, it's just
people have had heart hard issues in they put the
Warriors on and that's they're sitting there, sitting in the
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nurses bay and everyone's heart monitors.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Oh, dying with wonderful human being.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Now the life of diets and must read really really
good book and all good bookstores. Now we appreciate your time, mate.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Oh it's lovely to be in here. Awesome to see
it