Kerre Woodham: How would you rank the Police Minister?

The hīkoi we were discussing last week has gone down the country through the weekend, rolls into Wellington City, and should arrive at Parliament around midday. Police say they don't expect any problems, certainly nothing like the descent into chaos we saw at the end of the last demonstration at Parliament. We'll see.  

So far, it seems hīkoi participants have abided by the organisers’ requests. There's all sorts of rules and regulations before you can join the hīkoi, and participants are following them thus far, adhering to the principles of peaceful protest. The police have been working with the organisers, and they told Mike Hosking this morning: so far so good. It does mean, of course, that a lot of police will be tied up at the hīkoi, and if they're there they're not out investigating crime. And they need to be nabbing criminals and hauling them before court and engaging in crime prevention if police Minister Mark Mitchell is to keep his job.  

Back in August of 2023, Mark Mitchell told us that if New Zealanders hadn't started to see a change in public safety within a year of his appointment as Police Minister he would resign – so how's he doing? Well, ram raids are down 61%. Foot patrols are up 30%, so that's got to be good news - a visible police presence does an awful lot to help prevent crime. Aggravated robbery is down 11%. Robbery, extortion and the like are down 6%. Serious assaults are down 3%. However, counting against him, common assaults didn't go down, and theft had increased 12%. So how does he think he's doing?  

“I just thought it was coming up 12 months and it was important for me, I did that to hold myself to account because we were in such a bad place as a country that the expectation is that whoever took over as Police Minister, it's a huge responsibility, you've got to show that your things are changing. Otherwise, I wasn't the right guy for the job or the right person for the job. So we are starting to see change.  

“Like I said, we've got a long way to go, but we're starting to see some trends moving in the right direction. And I want to say that's not attributable to me. I mean it's, it's the fact that, yes, I've got the, the privileged position of Minister so I can bring everyone together ... the Auckland CBD is a good example. We brought the Residence and Ratepayers groups together, the business associations, our social service providers, Māori Wardens, CPNZ, KO, MSD, police, St. John's, we've all come together, we've been aligned. I had my latest meeting on Friday and we're seeing real success. So I've been going around the country trying to pull that together and trying to get some real change and it's happening.”  

So how do you think he's doing? You know, just based on your community, your neighbourhood, your retail area, how do you think the Police Minister is doing? I think the stats speak for themselves. Of course, as he also said in the interview with Mike, you're never going to get rid of crime altogether. There is never going to be a day where the police wake up and log no crime, ever. That's just not the way human beings are. But in terms of your community, your neighbourhood, your shopping precinct, do you feel safer?  

I mean, certainly I no longer have a low-level sense of alert when I'm going into a mall and walking past a Michael Hill Jewellers store. You know, there had been so many and a number in our area had been hit, so when I was taking the kids to the mall – I wouldn't say I was fearful. I certainly didn't stop going. I wasn't fearful, but I was on alert. Anything that looked a little bit out of the ordinary and I was going to get out of there with those children before hell broke loose. So, I'm more relaxed I think. There isn't the posturing and the advertising and the visibility of gangs in my hood. A few red sneakers, but hey

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
The Hekoy we were discussing last week has gone on
down the country through the weekend and rolls into Wellington
City and should arrive at Parliament around midday. Police said,
I don't expect any problems, certainly nothing like the descent
into chaos we saw at the end of the last
demonstration at Parliament. We'll see. So far, it seems Hequoy

(00:36):
participants have abided by the organizer's requests. There's all sorts
of rules and regulations before you can join the Hecuoy,
and participants are following them thus far, adhering to the
principles of peaceful protest. The police have been working with
the organizers and they told my costing this morning, so far,

(00:57):
so good. It does mean, of course, that a lot
of police will be tied up at the Hecoy, and
if they're there, they're not out investigating crime, and they
need to be nabbing criminals, in hauling them before court
and engaging in crime prevention if Police Minister Mark Mitchell

(01:18):
is to keep his job back. In August of twenty
twenty three, Mark Mitchell told us that if New Zealanders
hadn't started to see a change in public safety within
a year of his appointment as police minister, he would resign.
So how's he doing well? Ram raids are down sixty

(01:38):
one percent. Foot patrols are up thirty percent, so that's
got to be good news. A visible police presence does
an awful lot to help prevent crime. Aggravated robbery is
down eleven percent. Robbery, extortion and the like are down

(02:01):
six percent. Extortion who gets extorted? I know plenty of
people who have been robbed, but not many have been extorted.
Serious assaults are down three percent. However, counting against him,
common assaults didn't go down and theft had increased twelve percent.

(02:24):
So how does he think he's.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Doing I just thought it was coming up to our
months and it was important for me. I did that
to hold myself to account because we're in such a
bad place as a country that the expectation is that
whoever took over as police minister, it's a huge responsibility.
You've got to show that your things are changing. Otherwise
I wasn't the right guy for the job or the
right person for the job. So we are starting to

(02:47):
see change. Like I said, we've got a long way
to go, but we're starting to see some trends moving
in the right direction. And I want to say that's
not attributable to me. I mean it's the fact that, yes,
I've got the privileged position of minister, so I can
bring everyone together. The Orkland CBD is a good example
where we've brought the residence and rape past groups together.

(03:08):
The business associations are social service providers Mary Ward and CPNZ, KOMSD,
Police Saint John's. We've all come together, we've been aligned.
I had my latest meeting on Friday and we've seen
real success. So I'll be going around the country trying
to pull that together and trying to get some real change.
And it's happening.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
So how do you think he's doing, you know, just
based on your community, your neighborhood, your retail area.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
How do you.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Think the police minister is doing. I think the stats
speak for themselves. I mean, of course, as he also
said in the interview with Mike, you're never going to
get rid of crime all together. There is never going
to be a day where the police wake up and
log no crime. Ever, that's just not the way human

(03:59):
beings are. But in terms of your community, your neighborhood,
your shopping precinct, do you feel safer. I mean, certainly,
I no longer have a low level sense of alert

(04:20):
when I'm going into a mall and walking past to
Michael Hill Jeweler's store. There had been so many and
a number in our area had been hit. So when
I was taking the kids to the mall, I wouldn't
say I was fearful. I certainly didn't stop going. I
wasn't fearful, but I was on alert anything that looked

(04:41):
a little bit out of the ordinary, and I was
going to get out of there with those children before
hell broke loose. So I'm more relaxed. I think. There
isn't the posturing and the advertising and the visibility of
gangs in my hood. Few red sneakers, but hey, they

(05:04):
might just light the color just so. Red might just
be their color if they've had the colors done. But yeah,
you're not going to you're not going to cut up
rough about that. There aren't the same sort of video
footage from doorbells and street cameras of families taking little

(05:30):
ones out to go robbing in the early hours of
the morning. I hadn't seen that being posted for quite
some time. So yeah, I feel as though things are
getting better, and the stats would seem to indicate they are.
Is that because a line has been drawn in the sand?

(05:51):
Is that because the focus of the police has shifted slightly?
I would certainly say the foot patrols would have helped.
Is it an indication from police and indeed from the community.
It was voters who said, up with this, we will

(06:11):
not put We could have gone one way, we went
this way. When it came to the polling boots. We
don't want to see any more softly softly, we would
like to see a line in the sand. When it
comes to crime, there's a lot more to do. There's
a lot more work to do around addictions. There's a

(06:32):
lot more work to do around mental health, because a
lot of those are precursors to crime. The crime is
not actually the problem, it's the addictions that are. But
so far, if you were to mark Mark Mitchell, what
would you give them a B plus as a very

(06:52):
good start.

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