Kerre Woodham: You won't get your car seized if you don't break the law

The government sent a strong signal to boy racers that their days of running amok on the roads are over.

Car crushing is not new, it's been announced before - Judith Collins was police minister in 2009 when car crashing legislation was introduced for recidivist boy racer offenders, hence her sobriquet, Crusher. In fact, only three cars were crushed and Judith Collins wasn't the police minister by the time it happened, because he needed three strikes before a car was crushed.  

Anne Tolley was the police minister when the first of the three cars was crushed. But despite the fact only three ended up in the jaws of the hydraulic crashes, Judith Collins said the legislation worked as a deterrent. Vehicle offences lowered by 15% in the first year of the legislation and she said police had seen a massive drop off in the number of complaints about boy racers.

At the time, Collins wanted to see the legislation extended to cover those who fled police. Now, a decade and a half later, it’s happening. Chris Bishop and Mark Mitchell have announced a suite of legislation aimed at dangerous drivers.

According to Chris Bishop, Kiwi’s are sick of seeing idiot drivers putting everyone around them at risk, so the governments going to take action through a range of much tougher penalties. And they are: Establishing a presumptive sentence of vehicle destruction or forfeiture for those that flee police, street racers and intimidating convoys and owners who fail toidentify offending drivers. Giving police more powers to manage illegal vehicle gatherings by closing roads or public areas and issuing infringements. And increasing the infringement fee for making excessive noise from or within a vehicle from $50 to $300.

The changes will be introduced in new legislation and in mid-2025 and Chris Bishop says convicted fleeing drivers, boy racers and people participating in intimidating convoys will have their vehicles destroyed or forfeited. No three strikes.

When you commit an offence that comes under this legislation your car will be gone. But I owe $30K on it! Tough. You'll keep paying it off to the finance company, but you won't have a car. Is this sort of heavy-handed legislation necessary?

Well, yes according to the Police Association President Chris Cahill.

The one conviction, rather than having to have three convictions under the current law, should make a difference. Look, we've got to do something. These things are out of control and they're not just anti-social boy racing. These things have got to the point where they deliberately antagonising police when they turn up – They're getting bottled, they're getting their cars rammed and the public had gutsful of it when it's in their neighbourhood, so I think it's worth a try.

Worth a try? Well, yes, it worked before apparently according to Judith Collins, and she had the stats to support it.

When it was introduced critics said, well, only three cars were crushed. Precisely, she said, because people changed their behaviour. She said clearly these boy racers aren't idiots. They don't want to lose their cars, so therefore they won't commit offences that mean their cars will be seized and destroyed and if it works as a deterrent, so much the better.

I'm glad to see that they're going to extend the legislation to those who flee police. That can only make the roads safer. I’m all for it.  

Ever since I began doing talkback, which is going back a very long time, there have been problems with young people, men and women, and not so young, those who are old enough to know better getting together and deciding that parts of the roads belong to them and are going to be their private racetrack. And there's a school of thought that says, oh, they're just kids, they're just having fun, this is how they learn to drive. There's nothing for them to do, this is their passion. Well, no, there are plenty of places where the

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the carrywood of morning's podcast from news Talk,
said b Well, the government sent a strong signal to
boy racers that their days of running a mock on
the roads are over. Car crushing is not new, It's
been announced before. Judith Collins was Police Minister in two
thousand and nine when car crushing legislation was introduced for

(00:28):
recidivist boy racer offenders, hence her sobriquet crusher. In fact,
only three cars were crushed, and Judith Collins wasn't the
police minister by the time it happened, because you needed
three strikes before a car was crushed, and Tolly was
the police Minister when the first of the three cars
was crushed. But despite the fact only three ended up

(00:50):
in the jaws of the hydraulic crushes, Judith Collins said
the legislation worked as a deterrent. Vehicle offenses lowered by
fifteen one five percent in the first year of the legislation,
and she said police had said a massive drop off
and the number of complaints about boy races at the time.

(01:11):
Collins wanted to see the legislation extended to cover those
who fled police. Now a decade and a half later,
it's happening. Chris Bishop and Mark Mitchell have announced a
suite of legislation aimed at dangerous drivers. According to Chris Bishop,
kiwis are sick of seeing idiot drivers putting everyone around

(01:32):
them at risk. So the government's going to take action
through a range of much tougher penalties. And they are
establishing a presumptive sentence of vehicle destruction or forfeiture for
those that flee police street races, intimidating convoys, and owners
who failed to identify offending drivers, giving police more powers

(01:56):
to manage illegal vehicle gatherings by closing roads or public
areas and issuing infringements, and increasing the infringement fee for
make excessive noise from or within a vehicle from fifty
bucks to three hundred. The changes will be introduced in
new legislation and in mid twenty twenty five, and Chris

(02:19):
Bishop says convicted fleeing drivers, boy racism, people participating in
intimidating convoys will have their vehicles destroyed or forfeited no
three strikes. When you commit an offense that comes under
this legislation, your car will be gone, But I owe

(02:42):
thirty thousand dollars on it tough. You'll keep paying it
off to the finance company, but you won't have a car.
Is this sort of heavy handed legislation necessary. Well, yes,
according to the Police Association president Chris carhol for.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
One conviction rather than having to have three convictions under
the current law should make a difference. Look, we've got
to do something. These things are out of control, and
they're not just anti social boy racing. These things have
got to the point where the deliberately antagonizing police when
they turn up, they're getting bottled, they're getting their cars rounded,
and the public has had a gouts of it when

(03:22):
it's in their neighborhood. So I think it's where the try.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
We're the try. Well, yes, it worked before, apparently according
to do the Judith Collins, and she had the stats
to support it. When it was introduced, you know, critics said,
well only three cars were crushed. Precisely, she said, because
people change their behavior. She said, clearly, these boy racers

(03:48):
aren't idiots. They don't want to lose their cars, so
therefore they won't commit offenses that mean their cars will
be seized and destroyed. And if it works at a
deterrence so much the better. I'm glad to see that
they're going to extend the legislation to those who flee police.

(04:12):
They can only make the road safer. I'm full for it.
Ever since I began doing talkback, which is going back
a very long time, there have been problems with young people,
men and women and not so young, those who are
old enough to know better, getting together and deciding that

(04:34):
parts of the roads belong to them and are going
to be their private racetrack. And there's a school of
thought that says, oh, they're just kids, they're just having fun.
This is how they learn to drive. There's nothing for
them to do, this is their passion. Well no, no, nope,

(04:58):
there are plenty of places where these young men and
women can go on race legally if they want to
prove themselves. And don't come at with me with the oh,
it's expensive. You choose to spend money in all sorts
of ways. Your cars are expensive, you take pride in them,

(05:18):
pay the money, go to a racetrack where you can
really prove yourself. It's not harmless fun, not when people
have been killed, maimed and injured, and not when it's
costing hundreds of thousands of dollars. Not when you're filthy
little weeks leaving your rubbish everywhere, Not when you're abusive enough.

(05:47):
You won't get your car seized if you don't break
the law really easy. You won't get your car seized
if you stop for police when they tell you to
do so. You won't get your motorbike seized when you
and your dodgy mates don't get together in a convoy
and break the law and stick two fingers that the
police and at us. It's really simple. Nobody's coming after you.

(06:12):
If your car is seized, you've gone looking for trouble.
Bring it on for.

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