June 25, 2024 • 49 mins
Julian Wilcox (Ngāpuhi, Te Arawa), an award-winning broadcaster and former television executive, with a career spanning over 30 years in Māori-centric media. 🌟 From his role as a founding member of Māori Television to his current position as co-host on The Hui, Julian has been a vital force in amplifying Māori perspectives and stories. 🎥📺 Fluent in both Te Reo Māori and English, Julian's informed optimism and dynamic career have made him a beloved figure in the industry. 💬
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
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we need more.
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I like going to get my coffee and speaking to
the when asker my my latte. I like going down
the road for my little morning jobs with my boyfriend
talking to the ell.
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Speaker 1 (02:21):
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Speaker 2 (02:24):
Copapa?
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you haven't been listening, shame on you.
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Speaker 2 (02:44):
Boom shuck a lucka. And the one and.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Only, the Man of all men, not the will Man,
and he's the man on man, The one and only
Julian Wilcox is joining our show today.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I feel like he's the face, he's the voice, he's
the voice.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
He's been around. Give us, give us a demonstration of
how he sounds.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Julian will tonight on the Hohoi. That's not bad.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah, And you know he actually talks like that.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
That's not even put on. It's not like okay, i'm on,
I'm on.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
That's his voice. That's his voice.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Is very prim and proper all the time.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
And it's like, you know, it's cool because he's it's
like having diesel voice, right, Julian.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, that's a good laughter.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
It's really contagious. Well, he's shooting our show and I
cannot wait to have him here with us because he's
a he's a man, he's a man's a man.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
He's the man behind the cameras.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
But you don't want to go anywhere. Do not go
to the computer, what competitor, Do not.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Swipe your app up or anything like that on my
TV because Julian will be here shortly. And plus we're
gonna have a great kicking us off WAYI.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Kick right because here in Aldi had all we're coffee snobs.
We have our nose up and everyone else around the
world for this snobb coffee connoisseuring us, but we here
and we love it.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Apparently we're like got good coffee tastes.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
We in Olddor have some of the best barristas in
the world.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
We invented the.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Sugar and then we went to We were in Italy
once and my my auntie asked, can you get me
a coffee? And so I went to the corner store. Whatever.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
See I'll have a no coffee.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I don't know that was right, And then they gave
it him like a shot glass, and I was like, no, no, no, Also,
I'm one, this is what they gave me two. I'm
gonna get it Crowley.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Three, I'm not an ant every ten.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
So went back and she was like, what is that?
I was like, Italian coffee?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Is that right? Yeahso yeah, we're here in Old It's
a great way to sort of use your TDL that
you've learned with us on the show, just to.
Speaker 6 (05:03):
Give it a go.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Every week we bring you a new way of how
to order your your favorite coffee at a cafe or
just give it a go at the local garage. Hey,
I want this coffee, use your TODL. And today we've
got another one. Yes, So what does our order today? Well,
most of we'll sort of you know, amp it up
just a little bit. I'm going to order a large
oat milk latte.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
I feel like that's very alternative, and we actually need
to be because a lot of people do use alternative
milks in that so we've got to help out everybody
if they're their order solative.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
What is the alternative?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Well, milk is the norm. Alternative is the oat milk?
This is like very nicky, Yeah, a little bit different. Yeah,
we need variations. Not everyone wants the full cream milk,
so we need the oat milk. We need the milk
the coconut milk. We need all of those, yes.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Because people are going back to because people are like,
do we really want the milk from a cow's udder?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Nobod have lie.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
When they brought up almond milk, I could not feare them.
I understand how do you put the nipples?
Speaker 6 (06:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I was the same.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I was like, how do you put little suction cups
on an almond to get milk? And then they cheat
the system and all you do is soak and almond
and water.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
That's almond milk.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
All you do is say it's almon and then you
pour in your ankor milk.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
So today we're ordering a coffee. But I thought I'll
be the barista. Okay cake, so we're going to order
yours from so I get the right way to word.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
We're still here going.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Okay, all right now.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
So we're going downtown Ponds and I'm bringing an Apron
and you're coming into the coffee laboring.
Speaker 7 (06:53):
So we're ordering a large milk l Phoenix Meta AUGHTI
it's out mark, Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
So Hi, how are your should? I? Oh my gosh,
that big specimen?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Hey, how are you Cura Cura?
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Julian Wilcox didn't they would you like, I would like,
uh hey, Rati.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Medaka orti marku.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Can you repeat your order?
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Plays uh hierati midakati marku.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
And I will say yes, I will I do.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
That's really cool. So if you want to order an
oat milk.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Latte hierati midaka orti marku, yes.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Rati obviously being the latti geration, midaka being the milk.
AUGHTI out ah And then just the sentence there hti
midraka orti markus say what size every time?
Speaker 3 (08:00):
No biggest, And that's our.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Kick cafe.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Try give it a go, try it, try it, he
the mayor.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
It really does record. Yeah, I was going for how
many people?
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Sorry, But in other words, it's lit's commence everybody.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
That's right to do. Go our game section. We've got
a bit of a game set up for you guys.
So today we are playing coo ooo Cooper.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
That's right to do.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
So we we uh say the first syllable of word,
then the second syllable. There's a bit of a beat
that we have to keep up with, and we're trying
to make real words, directly, genuine words. Studio and I'm
just I'm gonna say, still looking at me if it's
not a real word, We're going to stop the game,
and I want to say what that se I'm ready
for it.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
He I really want to hear here.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
Okay, okay, all rights recorder.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
And then okay, cool, yeah, all right, I'm again here.
Speaker 8 (09:13):
Who my coo market rah rangy fire no fin.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Coo poo poo.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Poo tall.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Rah co ra.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Tall my rah hed fee raw who poo.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Hearing I thought, you're looking like you're not hoopoo. Well
we got to you have to hoopoo is derived from
the word cooopoo. But if you have got the missing
front teeth, so you would say how the hoop.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Actually, thank you look at me like coo poo kind.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
From my really good god.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
We're going to the judges and they accept, okay, all
right that fire.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Poo now not hook hook hooky young quick so uh.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Poor, Yeah, you have to poopoo hey tokoopoo.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Pudding just how much.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Actually going down to a pro ye.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
They like to cut these into if you know you know?
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, how much you know? You know?
Speaker 4 (11:17):
And as a as a as a as a nephew,
you should know that Auntie wanted the pudding.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
And who am I going to say to hear, I
love it.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
We've got to the judges again.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
They you know, what I've found is that as long
as you can dig yourself out of but with your corridor,
that's fine.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
That's fine, right here a cor or? Alrighty what that's.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
Hair?
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Head?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Rah? Far fucking's probably as all hell my head.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Fuck. Actually, I'm not even lying. Fucking has to telling
someone say no way like you're a yeah, So what
I should have done is put more of a tour on.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
So well, that's so you said, fucking what's that one?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah? Yeah, well you know when you stub your tail,
you go, oh, it's.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Really I putant to note Actually, to who talk, a
word can mean one thing or the other same Spelling
differently can be really important.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Can be the difference between giving someone a birthday cake
or a birthday umpu.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Chake and that that cupoo is cake it and cakey
totally different. One more round, we've got that trying get
around without okay, sound that care? Why to my to
my fee he why he ma ma car car.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Pa, oh ma oh my?
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Why why you want to play anyway?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
She's the camp This is vie. What a great way
to have some fun with today that I love all right,
listens out of it.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
You can just call it or to dig yourself out
of a hole.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Or a toy tour and you cookoo for you to
learn today it's hoopoo.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Let's get to the next kill.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
There that got called.
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Speaker 5 (14:29):
So it's some idioms, some key, some hardy.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Uh and somebody that I record it off that I
got called it off.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
My today it is hot kyatu hokyatu.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
And this is a key so sometimes key I can
kind of throw you off.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Oh so it's not what you think.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
It's actually a little bit more indept, maybe not even
more indept, just maybe just I'm going with like.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Keep going with, like why do you keep bringing that up?
Speaker 4 (15:04):
You know, like you like bringing up a past argument
or a past thing like and then you say to bro,
hooky out to hooky out, same same same, you keep
bringing it up.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
You've nailed it.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I wish he called doctors.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
You can say like like go back, that's what.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
I thought start to start with, but then I locked
in with fingers.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
That's key, very much along those lines. Hokey hock And
that's the way of course, how you say it, Oh hokyt.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Same old, same old.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
So and we all know those people maybe it's a
ka quarter and there the quarter or to where they get.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Up say exactly the same thing, yea.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
And you can say.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Oh hok hok.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Or you have that mate that always comes to bring
you the same relationship problem. You're like, I've really given
you advice on this.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Yeah, I told you he's cheating. I told you just
leave out. Okay, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Oh you go uncle. Can you come down and teach
that water? I taught it to them the last two weeks?
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Or you actually, oh, bro, when do you train again
on a come train with you? And you've never shown up?
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Yeah talking to that was a good.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
One, yes, but hook out to hook out the same old,
same ol say it from your chest. And then Sunda
and I called it's time to call it up. What
do you buy the copy up in a Honda Black.
It's all right, it is time for.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
A new heddi oh masci. I'll be looking forward to this.
This is going to be a great one.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yes, take care, so am I took?
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Before we do the coloring, I've got something for you, Okay,
tour on the Hui tonight that.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Julian. Gradually, gradually I'll give me a cattle.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
Bringing the.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Do the key or pooking know my heart. And then
and we're a little bit star struck, a little bit chafed.
I'm like, you're for real.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, we are massive firs.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
I mean we look the one and only Julian Walcocks.
If you look back over the years, you are that
figurehead of Mali broadcasters. You are a role model for
a lot of us who looked at seeing you when
I was at back in school.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
You truly truly.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Leader of what you do in the in the broadcasting field, television,
presenting radio MC and producing.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
The Hooie tonight.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
But we are truly truly chuffed and very humble that
you'd be part of court it or but as all
of our money on our show, we do a bit
of research because you know, we're the whole shabang. So
Marcy has done some research sol at bit.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
But luckily you don't have to research that far because
it's all out here straightaway, Bob Well. Julian Wilcox is
that correct. Also as an award winning broadcaster, a former
(18:46):
television executive, a local industry veteran, one of Malory's founding members,
wilcox prophilic presence has played a vital role in the
amplification of Maori centric media for some thirty years. And
we have no end in sight. Why are not all around?
Good guy? Not to mention Marra Mataka and the list goes.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
On, Look, that's our show, dun.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Julian, before we get into all the nit secrecy. That
is a huge bio on someone who is very renowned
in the media world here in old Tadua.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Where did it all start for you?
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Really good question actually, because I remember as a kid
watching things like this is showing my age night Rider
and chips and all that kind of stuff, all that
americanized TV stuff, and thinking where's our stuff? Then of
course he had things like kuha so this is really
showing my age.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Because started I'm just shaking my head, like I.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
Was the Marti Current Affairs Show in the late nineteen seventies,
and then to cut it, there came and then others
followed on after that. So I remember Mom and Dad
used to watch this stuff and being really kind of
enthralled by seeing ourselves on television and listening to ourselves
on radio with stations like Tubero Cardica. You know, if
you think back to someone like Winnimo Parker who did
the prophty for the Mary Battalion when they came back
(20:12):
from World War Two with the James hen that had
in nineteen forty six. So you know, Marti Radio, Malori
television was really in its kind of infancy, I guess
you could say when I was a kid, and that's
where my interest in it kind of developed and came from.
And you know, the other thing I think was that
pretty early on, unfortunately my dad realized I probably wasn't
(20:34):
going to be an all black who was an athlete.
Knew that I wasn't going to get there either, and
so I kind of developed a facility for woods and
that just became a thing. And then I realized I
wasn't going to be a rapper and I couldn't sing,
so broadcasting seemed to be So it was purely out
of desperation that I fell into broadcasting.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Wow, same story.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
We've all tried to be a silver feud.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
I try to be an all black, but I get gal.
So I just watched because well, I mean, why wouldn't you.
It's a buffet on a field every night from to Titlekio,
the Mighty Mighty North Were's.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Home for you to talk. Why is it so special?
Speaker 6 (21:23):
Well, my dad's buried in a place called Total. The
uninitiated see you fellows know for the uninitiated, it's just
south of kaykor heavy Fellow Jacob's Land. To pass the College,
you end up in Total. And Dad was brought up there.
And when I was young, my maternal grandparents were still alive,
so my crow Wady Cokini was a translator for the
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Marighty Lane Court and I fuck up up a new
tower or history and all that kind of stuff. But
I had no idea of mine apple, he kind of
heritage until my grandparents, my maternal grandparents had passed on,
and then Dad kind of landed me with your apple
you and I had no idea.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
What that was.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
And so pretty much from when I was thirteen, I've
always gone back. So total is where the old man's buried,
but where you know, the Wilcoxes originally well of Irish stock,
but originally from kind of way cuta all the way
through to Weimar with tires into a Nartie Carter card,
you know, so hooky on all the way through, and I,
(22:21):
I don't know, I get a sense of kind of
being able to take a breath when I go home.
It just feels like there's something in there which settles
you down. And maybe it's the constant abuse of you know,
not going home enough or thinking I'm too good for home,
or you know, not doing enough dishes or whatever it is,
or the Aunties telling me, telling me off like Antie
Epu and them, But whatever it is, you know, I
(22:42):
feel like that's where I met my one hundred and
it's kind of a weird thing, you know. But Auckland's
not home for me. It's just where we kind of reside.
But every time I go back, I feel like I'm
kind of with kith and kin. And that is not
to deny my kind of Tello a fuck and I'm
very proud of it. And you know, my mum is
a very stage tattle. The Kings are a storage to Afano,
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but because the old man's buried at home, that's kind
of where I'm like.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Kira, and I mean you're like, a where did your
pudna come from?
Speaker 6 (23:22):
Yeah? I know what's right? I mean I when I
got into broadcasting, I started with a guy who's a
bit of a store water guy by the name of
Henadi KINGI, oh wow, who's from the king Ees and
t t And I used to hang out with him
during the week when I was broadcasting on radio. And
then on the weekend I used to hang out with
this old lady called anti Us Farnga. But she was
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a pater and a kobt. So on the weekends I'd
hang up with her and go to church and like
there'd be twenty clergy and three parishioners, and I was
probably the only one under fifty. Because you know, it
was just learning the language and trying to understand what
made these old people kind of tick. And then hang
out with him not there and just again trying to
learn the language. And of course they were bothing up,
so I kind of fell into it. But the one
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who really kind of taught me a lot was was
my uncle, the late Surpatu Warhapa, who's an uncle on
my dad's side, and he just kind of took an
interest in me and wanted to share stuff, and particularly
around Hookyjunga and Fucker Papa and who we were and
where we came from and our ties back to the Pacific,
and so he didn't really have people he could kind
(24:30):
of share that with them. For whatever reason, I was around,
so we used to kind of hang out. And then
more lately, you know, someone like out to Mark how
who I spend a bit of time with, and yeah,
and I just find that their world really appeals to me.
And the way that they think, the way that they
kind of expressed themselves, their kind of humility, their humanity,
(24:52):
the way in which they really care about home is
something that I have a kind of shared feeling and
affinity for. And yeah, I just like hanging with them.
And maybe it's because I'm an old soul or whatever
it is, you know, but that kind of is where
I feel naturally kind of placed.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
In the world.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Was so it was toil Mardi always part of your
childhood growing up? Though, was it was it spoken at
home or even.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
Really I was, I was. It's actually shameful.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
I you say you're cool airs back then, and I'm thinking,
but how are you so not?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Like were amazing?
Speaker 6 (25:32):
You know, it was, it was pretty bad. My mum
was was really parmer my because she was undertaking tertiary
education at Victoria University with initially you look Abroad and
then he mead and and all those. So she was
doing the talk and then she ended up doing the
master's but she was learning. And dads and native fluence speaker,
(25:53):
beautiful speaker, you know, total total uh total, too far
back because they were old school I love it, love
and but yeah, we none of us spoke mild. In fact,
the one who had the kind of natural gift was
my sister, very bright. My brother's big and strong, so
you know, everything I'm not they got, you got, but
(26:17):
you know they they were probably the ones who should
have picked it up and for whatever reason didn't and
it kind of came my way. But no, we were
I was particularly was a very ignorant child. I was
and thought we were Italian.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I would believe that.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
You know, just just really kind of ignorant and and
wasn't really brought up around home, so have a great
idea of it. And it's actually quite embarrassing now that
I think. But you know, so when ku hunger could
have come around and I'll look at young Tom now.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Yeh norm well and that's as I today.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
So and then fast forward to now obviously you know
Martin Ardell, you teach Todell, you you you have many
different porte using today, using ti kung a, using.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
My thong a mahdi, which is beautiful. So then teaching
to like it seems like.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
For us so I'm only just starting to learn to
do over the last couple of years really to like
really dive into it and reclaim it for myself. It
seems like for us learning that there's like a massive
resurgence of you know, they all wa nanga, they're all
learning opportunities and more people who are speaking tod Is
that the case or is it just because I'm just
starting this journey?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
No, no, no, that is.
Speaker 6 (27:30):
Definitely the case. I can remember when universities first started
offering to do a maori what they call nil fi.
They didn't call it free. They called it nil fi
and that was something to try and get more non
Malori learning to do. Now that's what two thousands, so
that's fairly recent. Could it all started in nineteen ninety six,
I think through to total fidy and timilty mainly for
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teachers and to do Maori. They were getting warha with
the amount of Maori teachers who were either using poor
grammar or poor syntax or wrong sentence structure. So the
credodell developed out of that by Jatota fidy and then
carried on and kept going. And I can remember the
initial initial critical in Waimadama because there weren't many of
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us young ones going. It was mainly lots of old people.
And then I got chucked in. Me and Taynuise Stevens
were the only ones under fifty who were and we
were hanging out with all these native speakers of Mahi,
beautiful speakers of to Mahi. And then you go into
a class with Media Simpson Wow, and she would just
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lam bust people for you know, poor sentence structure or
you know, passive endings and stuff like this. Then you
go into a class with Faddi Hui and for toki
stuff I'd never heard of before, and all these old
people are sitting there like, Wow, this is amazing. They're
all native speakers, and I'm the kind of pretender. Really.
Then you going with ten Moulten. He's got his class.
(28:58):
Tell me how to Mason's doing. Qiwaha, I need to
mock Edwards his mum. All these old people's daughter hurdiful,
you know, and these cred earl were my Christmas holidays.
So the creddell started in the nineties and then all
of a sudden out of things like to panic credit
(29:18):
and you get a plethora of Nwi starting to develop
their own their own one, and that really kind of
came in the early two thousands. So you're right, there
are a lot more now, and I think it's awesome. Yeah,
I think it's great. You know. I mean you look
at home. So we've got to Toomata. We've got five,
that's right. Anyway, you've got Cabago run their own cred earl.
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We're running a coded earl now for the Kaypa parhole.
You know, those things really only came about recently, and
it is easier for someone to start learning the language now.
I think one of the difficulties that we have though,
is because of the options available. It's almost like you've
got to pick one. Whereas I think the more that
you can attend, the more that you can get into,
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the easier it is, the better it is. And I
used to just pick up stuff from other EWA and
then go home and get taught off because no one
knew what the hell I was talking about or new words,
and no one knew what the heck they meant. But
I think now you know, it's good that you've started
your journey, because there's really no reason why you can't start.
It's so available. But the thing that scares me is
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that because it's so available, you've got a lot of
non mary who are learning to do. And this is
going to be controversial, but I've seen lots of non
Mardy learn to and then weaponize it against us. Yes,
so we we've people like you just as important as
these two and the acquisition of our language, so we
can make sure that yes we are k of it,
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Yes we make it available, but we ensure that those
who are not us who are learning it aren't using
it against us.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yes, that's you did touch our like you know, maybe
choosing the one that you want to go with the tiara.
Maybe it's it's you know, all those other what one like,
are you passionate about whether it's Karakia, whether it's whether
it's mamataka, Like, what one do you find passion?
Speaker 6 (31:19):
We've got a kind of a one that we do
with and I won't go too much into it. The
reason why I really like it is it's, you know,
you just hang with the old talks and and those
are the best ones, I mean, the only gifts. You
really need to pick this stuff up as a left
there in the idea. And it's hard because you've got
social media and it's hard to put a phone down
(31:41):
or put a computer down. You know, it's hard to
just kind of sit and be still and go. Rarey
talks about this thing that the first of Earl was
actually in the n and you just got to are
you just sit and you listen. You can hear after
a while, you hear different bog calls, you hear different
tree calls, You hear different winds. I love that, And
that's the natural to know. And the question is what
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comes first? You know, chicken and egg and who marries who?
You know, who mirrors the other one? And so you know,
that's what I kind of like to do, which is
completely different from all the other where you go and
all that kind of stuff. But it teaches you to
kind of be scentered and a little bit more kind
of aware and attuned, and that's really hard in a
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world with technology and lots going on. Just chill.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
A different copap accorded all for this? Who for the
WHOI tonight, Madamataka.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Now you are a person who really knows your stuff
and pushes the boundaries for others to sort of open
up to and go, oh, this is cool. Oh I'm
learning about this. Didn't think about that last time? Does
the moon actually work like that? And you are that person?
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Why is the Marta Mattucker so important?
Speaker 6 (32:56):
Well, first of all, it's us. And by the way,
I'm not an expert like I'm I mean that there's
lots more people and better people than I. But the
reason why I think it's it's really good for us
is because it teaches you humility, that you're not in control,
actually that there are other elements in control of your
world that you have to kind of align with. So
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when you look at the Malamatucker, I think there's there's
parts people look at. For instance, they look at the
moon phase and they go, yep, we're in this, and
therefore that's the excuse why I don't feel good, or
that's the excuse why don't finish assignment right, And it's
it's not about that. You've got to align the manamatucker
with the peckle of the toes, so it kind of
and it's not a season, but what time of year
(33:36):
we're in. Then you align with the manamataka and then
you look at high tide and low tide, and then
you can try and start to adapt and think, Okay,
then I can do different things a different days. So
for example, yesterday was federal and I heard someone say,
oh it's fed. Oh yeah, bad. Day to day, I
won't do much, which is not how it works. So
we're going from exactly and you know, we're going out
(34:00):
of the muddets and we're coming into the tokodos soon
and to winter into the winter faces, right, and so
there's some certain things happening in the environment. Then you
look at high tides and low tide, and you can
push and pull and all that kind of stuff depending
on where the tides are. And so that's the way
to think about it though for me, is that you
think I'm just a small cog in this massive wind.
And when you start thinking like that, and not just
when you think about them, and this is a bit
(34:21):
of theeal, so excuse me for doing it. But when
you think about the world and the earth, the wood
on the earth is only this part of that. And
so the universe has, for instance, it has sources of water,
which is what combines with lots of other different things
to form stars and other planets and all this kind
of thing. When you start thinking of it in that way,
it's really humbling, and then you have to start thinking about, Okay,
(34:42):
what's going on in the world that I have to
started tuning myself to it. When you think like that,
you start thinking differently.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Ah, yes, well, Anissa ours actually gave me this little
example a couple of weeks ago because he said, augle
oak and.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
I'm like, oh, here we go. The sassy tongue is
coming out. Are you not feeling good?
Speaker 3 (35:00):
And I'm like, she goes, you're not giving me your
kind of vibe today, and I'm like, I'm just chilling,
and she goes, do you watch the follow the Madamttucker,
and I'm like should I, and she goes, you know,
the moon has ways to pull oceans and tides, and
it has the same effect on people. She said, that's
why you get lunar. And then I'm like, seculling me
(35:23):
a lunatic.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
So is that people people can talk about energy and
how that can wax and wane, both in the environment
and within the person themselves. So for example, there's a
thing that happens every aud to do which we kind
of observe we're is getting close to full moon one
phase two faces before full moon or those are the
(35:49):
full moon ones, but an at and you can see
it big big, big eyed moon. They used to call it.
There's a forgot to narcodo is that when someone falls
for someone in their almost giving four moon eyes but
the auto do moon. The other thing about the order
do moon is that no matter what the weather, depending
(36:09):
on the tide tide coming into high tide, there's always
a time at which the weather just goes sucks itself
out and it just goes calm from an hour and
then if it's stormy and bucketing down, it'll do this.
You'll feel the wind pull itself in the rain will stop,
the storm will stop for forty five minutes, for an hour,
and then it'll come back again. And so when you
(36:30):
think and you can actually predict this, right, so when
you look at the next or to do phase, depending
on where you are. So here's the other thing. The
might of our Tucker works at different times in different places.
So yes, it's the same phase, but it's just different
locations with different effects.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Amazing, So you can actually.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
Start predicting what you can do, when you can do it,
and how you can do it. Because you look at
when the tides are coming in or out, when the
moon is there a particular phase and a certain part
of the year, you can start planning things. So you know,
for example, Matadiki set up brasions always happen, and I
think it's on the first tonguelador a phase after and
(37:07):
so we know that it's going to be the twenty eighth, right.
So for us, because we're west coast, do we we're Poonga,
we know we follow the auto do part of when
puga first comes up, so we know that it's going
to be about the twenty first. Then you look at
the high tide or when the tide is coming in
and then that's when you kind of align your ka
because you know, no matter what the weather, you're going
to see poor so you can start planning things out
(37:29):
just to learn.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
So much like we we.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Or other experts we do on our on our radio show,
we do do the Madam Attucka in the morning, and
I suppose we don't go into that depth, but it's
it's learning for me is it's it's enough. But this
is brilliant and I feel like we should be calling
you doctor, professor, your highness.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
I was sitting here and I'm like, do youez what
did you used to use that, like, you know, go
out on the day, Yes, a pick up line? Yeah,
pack up lines of doom.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
I hope you did.
Speaker 6 (38:01):
Yeah, it's getting really embarrassing. When we were learning the
me and my best mate, I won't say his name
but rhymes with heaven raughten. He we used to go
and you know, you go to town and there'd be
St Jose or hook an Idiot or Sacred Heart or whatever.
Mainly some jos I want to go anyway, and you'd
(38:23):
see them there in the uniform and so we're going
to a fruit store or whatever. This particularly worked when
they were non Mardi and you'd pick up an apple
and go. You see, the only thing we knew was
heart was the Lord's prayer, which is sacrilegious, but anyway,
we'd sit there and and the girl will come in
the shop and you go grab an apple. And my mother.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
And the same Joe's girls were like they're doing the
Lord's prayer, but the part girls go.
Speaker 6 (38:58):
And then they and then they hit to do.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
That kind of.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
The number and the number ones, number one speaking so beautiful,
play like that aealing you boys.
Speaker 6 (39:11):
Don't work, not not with the value quietly, but you know,
I mean the real is it's a facility by which
you can engage with people. And that way ye look,
I mean eitherways said that, I think that is the
sixtiest language. Because people say it's French and it sounds spitty.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
It is.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Actually it's quite co depends it depends.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
I think I we your and there were the way
how you come it like your voice.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Some of our uncles up north not so much.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
You know, that's a little bit sixty.
Speaker 6 (40:03):
You remember, we won't say in particular, but it might
rhyme with hearting in there.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
They can get really cultural with it, although they will.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
Probably say the same thing about my uncles in total.
But you know, the one i'ld say. The really interesting
thing is that for me, whilst I hang out with
these olds, it was the Aunties, it was the Aunties
who would just keep you on, still do yes, you know,
white tongue you. This year when the government came on,
(40:39):
you know, I wasn't meant to get up and I
had an auntie from hockey and she said you're getting
up and I said no, I'm not and.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
She was like yeah.
Speaker 6 (40:49):
She was like sorry, who do you think you are?
Then you're getting up? And I was going on and
I wasn't dressed and and and this is the thing
is that people forget. I think it's the Aunties that
rule the world.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
They do women absolutely said.
Speaker 6 (41:03):
Yeah no, and I'm not just saying it like you
know that it freaks me out, like I get scared
because whilst we might do you know, and stuff like that.
Particularly in Huma, there there's always three queers sitting on
the side and you look at them and you finish,
and then you go and they go antie and you
(41:25):
think you've been flipping awesome, and you they come to
take them two battle. We're really getting into it. They
come to town off of the two bar bucker. You've
held them off, and you're going, fine, you're really really
good about yourself. You look over and I turned to
this one Auntie, I won't say your name rhymes.
Speaker 9 (41:45):
She's from why Mass all the wy ones and I'm
talking about and they go home Muddlegamudoga, you know, and
all the old one the old.
Speaker 6 (41:56):
Uncles, you know, and there that was awesome. And then
she's going, oh, that was rubbish, you know. And so
the reason what I'm saying is because I think we
have severely undervalued the importance and manner of our hunger.
Who's there, you look good to go, but who's in
(42:20):
the toy mainly but aterually the ones who rule the woost.
I think that's the bit sometimes that I get a
bit worried about, is we need to go through a
decolonized process to remember to remember, and we do.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Have that remember to remember well, Julian Wilcox, As always,
we are fans of yours. We love you because you're
also one of ours from to tay Tikio, but we
also adore and love what you do for broadcasting here
in Altdor and your knowledge on the Madam Attucker is
just outstanding.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
So thank you for being part of our show.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
But before we stay hied at our matkitka, we everyone
knows you as a broadcaster. So Phoenix has got a
little we've got something something that we would like you
to do for us.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Yes, oh yeah, So we were taking a bit of
liberties while you're here actually as you do, and so
we're thinking if you could give us your best introduction
of US three and this podcast and your best news
as if you're on the hoo and it's breaking stage
(43:26):
care yeah, breaking news. You need to introduce Massia Phoenix
and look the podcast cordedor but its breaking.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
News is coming in best newscast voice crossing live now
to our correspondent. It's Julie Wilcock, Julian K. Queer, Welcome
breaking news. We've just received information straight from Parliament from
the Mob Prime Minister whose name none of us can remember,
who has just told us that there is a new podcast.
Speaker 6 (43:53):
It's called the Corridor Podcast, by Divine Intervention, by the
love of and by to a Maldi. This podcast was
born all the way from Iwin, Hawaii on the walk
or featuring Phoenix, Marcia and of course Luke the Birdman.
And like the bird, not only would it fly, it
will soar to the highest horizons, to the greatest skies,
(44:16):
to the depths of the oceans, and backing it onto
the land where our people will wait with baited breath
to hear, to see, to feel, to touch the spirit
of this new tongue called the cord it or podcast.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Ah, I want to listen to it even I want
to listen to.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Julia.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Thank you so much. Dat love what you do. We're
proud of what you do. You're fronted tak amazing.
Speaker 6 (45:01):
I just wanted to say, I just want to say
that we first kind of worked together. I didn't really
know what to expect. I'm not cutting out Phoenix, but
but these two. Honestly, it was the funnest isn't even
(45:22):
a word what am I going? But it was the
funnest event I've done in a long time, mainly and
lots of people were into it. The audience was was
into it, but mainly because of these two. So I
hope you to keep doing what you're doing. I hope
I get the chance to work with you.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Well.
Speaker 6 (45:39):
I enjoyed it you know, having having known apure there
and it felt like a bit of a title the
whole the whole show was which which is how it
often feels. Actually, but no, no, this has been awesome
when I just wish you the best with it, and
of course with Phoenix as well. I think we need
more of us celebrating what we do, not mean, but
(45:59):
so brding other people and what they do because we don't,
no one else is going to do it. Thank you for.
Speaker 5 (46:07):
And on that note, thank you very much for coming in.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
It was like that's blown. I know, I'm a little
bit like, what do we do now?
Speaker 6 (46:14):
Like, wow, that was incredible? Why not?
Speaker 2 (46:18):
We know you to be a very.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Busy person and so we were sure the beast of
all your future vs, including the Mini Cooper bother you've
gone on.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Today Julian woke up to everybody's amazing. Amazing, Julian, you
are now the voice of our podcast.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
Julian and I apologize against all the fellows got me confused. Yeah,
so talented, such a sponge too. And then I love
that he's still not still but that he's able to
share his knowledge with OWLD.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
I find it so encouraging to super encouraging that people
like Julian Wilcox himself, and then like Scottie Morrison, who
you just assume have always been able to.
Speaker 6 (47:10):
Speak to.
Speaker 4 (47:14):
Thoughts on the adult's no excuse, I watch out for us.
Speaker 5 (47:21):
It actually makes me want to start piano.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
Yeah, it's not too late.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
You don't what And he smells delicious.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
I was sitting next to him and I'm like, damn,
you're fine, good like you know it look good?
Speaker 4 (47:37):
He does.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
What an awesome guy?
Speaker 2 (47:38):
And wee, Julian, what a man?
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Man?
Speaker 6 (47:41):
What a man?
Speaker 3 (47:42):
What a man?
Speaker 1 (47:44):
Mad?
Speaker 2 (47:45):
A good man?
Speaker 3 (47:49):
I'm not. And it's time for us to get would
you believe that is episode nine?
Speaker 1 (47:55):
No, it's actually getting quite sad because we're.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Getting I know you need to the end. But what
a great season.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
We haven't finished it though, but yeah, time for us
to say hi to Arma, to our hooky kitch kanga.
But we are back next week with another brand new episode,
a fantastic episode, the last of our season four seas
the season one. But mate, Massy, give me a little
teeth for the aster who's coming on board.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
She's bold, she's straight up the gats, she's social media,
she is funny. She is a mama, a business woman
and yeah, she's just like no filter. I love to
watch her.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Twenty four seven, I've got her.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
It's the one and only Next Next Next is joining
our show for the final off season, one into evening.
You have got to stick around for her because you
know what she's like. She is she's on Next.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
I mean, look at all our guests. It's great. Great,
We're great because we called it right well not yeah
quote there n called Marcia or Hopper shamelessly from.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
The Phoenix.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
And I'm like the bird man from so you know,
where else would you rather be? And right here because
we want we're going to do more cornetor
Speaker 6 (49:18):
W
Two through My High Am, I High Am, I Hide
and the fun and it's Caught It All time for
Hope Ton called Marcia Hopper and I come from Fangy.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 3 (00:22):
Are And if you haven't guess it already, hello, I'm
Luked Brett the.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Food Man, also from Fanga.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
To Tokio and we are so chuffed, so chuffed. It
is episode nine, everybody, episode.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
N that's exciting because we've had nine where we're about
to have another epic episode.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
But also we've only got ten in the season. But
you were here for Court It All, which is entered
me and iHeart Radios. You as greatest, fabulous, most colorful
podcast Caught at All.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, what does that means?
Speaker 4 (00:55):
You know what that means? I was gonna say, you
know what that means. It's almost our last episode. We
only got ten in the season. But you, as the listeners,
to fans, the people out there, you gotta tell them
we need more.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
We need more more.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
The morning, when I get the kids up for co
I like going to get my coffee and speaking to
the when asker my my latte. I like going down
the road for my little morning jobs with my boyfriend
talking to the ell.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yes, I need more, I need more, I need a
season two.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, what is it?
Speaker 5 (01:19):
It's fun, that's.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Cart all Tai.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Mama, that is right. The cord Itor Podcast where we
celebrate today on Mary Everything, Martym Alti or Greatness, Coolness, celebrities,
public figures, you meet, ask them everybody, and it's all
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Go inspiring others, inspiring our fano, our raga tahi, our mama,
our papa quiako matua. Because if you want to beat
somebody and you want to go somewhere, you better wake up.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
You better wake up again, wake up twice and pay
attention to go.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
If you want to be somebody and you want to go.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Somewhere, yeah, you then wake up and pay attention.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Oh girl.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
As you already know episode nine, Massia likes the cat.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Everybody, thank you. She's the captain of the ship and
the ship goes one way. Well, she'll blame others.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I ain't going down with it.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
She's like other than that bolt over there, and.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
It's time for now. Actually, what's that cop today?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Copapa?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
If you should know by now, it's you, and if
you haven't been listening, shame on you.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
But Copapatida.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Every week we bring a new Copappa which brings in
a new guest. And today's Copapada is broadcasting Marian broadcasting
television presenting, and the mud Muttucker so important because right
now it is muttichy, so we hear it's mutiny already.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Boom shuck a lucka. And the one and.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Only, the Man of all men, not the will Man,
and he's the man on man, The one and only
Julian Wilcox is joining our show today.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I feel like he's the face, he's the voice, he's
the voice.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
He's been around. Give us, give us a demonstration of
how he sounds.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Julian will tonight on the Hohoi. That's not bad.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah, And you know he actually talks like that.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
That's not even put on. It's not like okay, i'm on,
I'm on.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
That's his voice. That's his voice.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Is very prim and proper all the time.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
And it's like, you know, it's cool because he's it's
like having diesel voice, right, Julian.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, that's a good laughter.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
It's really contagious. Well, he's shooting our show and I
cannot wait to have him here with us because he's
a he's a man, he's a man's a man.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
He's the man behind the cameras.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
But you don't want to go anywhere. Do not go
to the computer, what competitor, Do not.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Swipe your app up or anything like that on my
TV because Julian will be here shortly. And plus we're
gonna have a great kicking us off WAYI.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Kick right because here in Aldi had all we're coffee snobs.
We have our nose up and everyone else around the
world for this snobb coffee connoisseuring us, but we here
and we love it.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Apparently we're like got good coffee tastes.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
We in Olddor have some of the best barristas in
the world.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
We invented the.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Sugar and then we went to We were in Italy
once and my my auntie asked, can you get me
a coffee? And so I went to the corner store. Whatever.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
See I'll have a no coffee.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I don't know that was right, And then they gave
it him like a shot glass, and I was like, no, no, no, Also,
I'm one, this is what they gave me two. I'm
gonna get it Crowley.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Three, I'm not an ant every ten.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
So went back and she was like, what is that?
I was like, Italian coffee?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Is that right? Yeahso yeah, we're here in Old It's
a great way to sort of use your TDL that
you've learned with us on the show, just to.
Speaker 6 (05:03):
Give it a go.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Every week we bring you a new way of how
to order your your favorite coffee at a cafe or
just give it a go at the local garage. Hey,
I want this coffee, use your TODL. And today we've
got another one. Yes, So what does our order today? Well,
most of we'll sort of you know, amp it up
just a little bit. I'm going to order a large
oat milk latte.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
I feel like that's very alternative, and we actually need
to be because a lot of people do use alternative
milks in that so we've got to help out everybody
if they're their order solative.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
What is the alternative?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Well, milk is the norm. Alternative is the oat milk?
This is like very nicky, Yeah, a little bit different. Yeah,
we need variations. Not everyone wants the full cream milk,
so we need the oat milk. We need the milk
the coconut milk. We need all of those, yes.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Because people are going back to because people are like,
do we really want the milk from a cow's udder?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Nobod have lie.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
When they brought up almond milk, I could not feare them.
I understand how do you put the nipples?
Speaker 6 (06:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I was the same.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I was like, how do you put little suction cups
on an almond to get milk? And then they cheat
the system and all you do is soak and almond
and water.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
That's almond milk.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
All you do is say it's almon and then you
pour in your ankor milk.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
So today we're ordering a coffee. But I thought I'll
be the barista. Okay cake, so we're going to order
yours from so I get the right way to word.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
We're still here going.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Okay, all right now.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
So we're going downtown Ponds and I'm bringing an Apron
and you're coming into the coffee laboring.
Speaker 7 (06:53):
So we're ordering a large milk l Phoenix Meta AUGHTI
it's out mark, Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
So Hi, how are your should? I? Oh my gosh,
that big specimen?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Hey, how are you Cura Cura?
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Julian Wilcox didn't they would you like, I would like,
uh hey, Rati.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Medaka orti marku.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Can you repeat your order?
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Plays uh hierati midakati marku.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
And I will say yes, I will I do.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
That's really cool. So if you want to order an
oat milk.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Latte hierati midaka orti marku, yes.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Rati obviously being the latti geration, midaka being the milk.
AUGHTI out ah And then just the sentence there hti
midraka orti markus say what size every time?
Speaker 3 (08:00):
No biggest, And that's our.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Kick cafe.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Try give it a go, try it, try it, he
the mayor.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
It really does record. Yeah, I was going for how
many people?
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Sorry, But in other words, it's lit's commence everybody.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
That's right to do. Go our game section. We've got
a bit of a game set up for you guys.
So today we are playing coo ooo Cooper.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
That's right to do.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
So we we uh say the first syllable of word,
then the second syllable. There's a bit of a beat
that we have to keep up with, and we're trying
to make real words, directly, genuine words. Studio and I'm
just I'm gonna say, still looking at me if it's
not a real word, We're going to stop the game,
and I want to say what that se I'm ready
for it.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
He I really want to hear here.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
Okay, okay, all rights recorder.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
And then okay, cool, yeah, all right, I'm again here.
Speaker 8 (09:13):
Who my coo market rah rangy fire no fin.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Coo poo poo.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Poo tall.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Rah co ra.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Tall my rah hed fee raw who poo.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Hearing I thought, you're looking like you're not hoopoo. Well
we got to you have to hoopoo is derived from
the word cooopoo. But if you have got the missing
front teeth, so you would say how the hoop.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Actually, thank you look at me like coo poo kind.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
From my really good god.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
We're going to the judges and they accept, okay, all
right that fire.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Poo now not hook hook hooky young quick so uh.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Poor, Yeah, you have to poopoo hey tokoopoo.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Pudding just how much.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Actually going down to a pro ye.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
They like to cut these into if you know you know?
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, how much you know? You know?
Speaker 4 (11:17):
And as a as a as a as a nephew,
you should know that Auntie wanted the pudding.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
And who am I going to say to hear, I
love it.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
We've got to the judges again.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
They you know, what I've found is that as long
as you can dig yourself out of but with your corridor,
that's fine.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
That's fine, right here a cor or? Alrighty what that's.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
Hair?
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Head?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Rah? Far fucking's probably as all hell my head.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Fuck. Actually, I'm not even lying. Fucking has to telling
someone say no way like you're a yeah, So what
I should have done is put more of a tour on.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
So well, that's so you said, fucking what's that one?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah? Yeah, well you know when you stub your tail,
you go, oh, it's.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Really I putant to note Actually, to who talk, a
word can mean one thing or the other same Spelling
differently can be really important.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Can be the difference between giving someone a birthday cake
or a birthday umpu.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Chake and that that cupoo is cake it and cakey
totally different. One more round, we've got that trying get
around without okay, sound that care? Why to my to
my fee he why he ma ma car car.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Pa, oh ma oh my?
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Why why you want to play anyway?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
She's the camp This is vie. What a great way
to have some fun with today that I love all right,
listens out of it.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
You can just call it or to dig yourself out
of a hole.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Or a toy tour and you cookoo for you to
learn today it's hoopoo.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Let's get to the next kill.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
There that got called.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
This is a great book.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
It's a great book thanks to our favorite author, Honor
Black uh pen Coppy cup it Mary Wits and humor.
It's a beautiful hot pink book found in Wittkels. So
you go out there and purchaser other books.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
He does have other books. It's this particular is all
about wit funniness. So you may think, oh that's a
little bit hard out, but it's fun. Give it a
go Mary. Mary is all about that. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
So it's some idioms, some key, some hardy.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Uh and somebody that I record it off that I
got called it off.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
My today it is hot kyatu hokyatu.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
And this is a key so sometimes key I can
kind of throw you off.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Oh so it's not what you think.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
It's actually a little bit more indept, maybe not even
more indept, just maybe just I'm going with like.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Keep going with, like why do you keep bringing that up?
Speaker 4 (15:04):
You know, like you like bringing up a past argument
or a past thing like and then you say to bro,
hooky out to hooky out, same same same, you keep
bringing it up.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
You've nailed it.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I wish he called doctors.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
You can say like like go back, that's what.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
I thought start to start with, but then I locked
in with fingers.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
That's key, very much along those lines. Hokey hock And
that's the way of course, how you say it, Oh hokyt.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Same old, same old.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
So and we all know those people maybe it's a
ka quarter and there the quarter or to where they get.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Up say exactly the same thing, yea.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
And you can say.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Oh hok hok.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Or you have that mate that always comes to bring
you the same relationship problem. You're like, I've really given
you advice on this.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Yeah, I told you he's cheating. I told you just
leave out. Okay, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Oh you go uncle. Can you come down and teach
that water? I taught it to them the last two weeks?
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Or you actually, oh, bro, when do you train again
on a come train with you? And you've never shown up?
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Yeah talking to that was a good.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
One, yes, but hook out to hook out the same old,
same ol say it from your chest. And then Sunda
and I called it's time to call it up. What
do you buy the copy up in a Honda Black.
It's all right, it is time for.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
A new heddi oh masci. I'll be looking forward to this.
This is going to be a great one.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yes, take care, so am I took?
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Before we do the coloring, I've got something for you, Okay,
tour on the Hui tonight that.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Julian. Gradually, gradually I'll give me a cattle.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
Bringing the.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Do the key or pooking know my heart. And then
and we're a little bit star struck, a little bit chafed.
I'm like, you're for real.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, we are massive firs.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
I mean we look the one and only Julian Walcocks.
If you look back over the years, you are that
figurehead of Mali broadcasters. You are a role model for
a lot of us who looked at seeing you when
I was at back in school.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
You truly truly.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Leader of what you do in the in the broadcasting field, television,
presenting radio MC and producing.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
The Hooie tonight.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
But we are truly truly chuffed and very humble that
you'd be part of court it or but as all
of our money on our show, we do a bit
of research because you know, we're the whole shabang. So
Marcy has done some research sol at bit.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
But luckily you don't have to research that far because
it's all out here straightaway, Bob Well. Julian Wilcox is
that correct. Also as an award winning broadcaster, a former
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television executive, a local industry veteran, one of Malory's founding members,
wilcox prophilic presence has played a vital role in the
amplification of Maori centric media for some thirty years. And
we have no end in sight. Why are not all around?
Good guy? Not to mention Marra Mataka and the list goes.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
On, Look, that's our show, dun.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Julian, before we get into all the nit secrecy. That
is a huge bio on someone who is very renowned
in the media world here in old Tadua.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Where did it all start for you?
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Really good question actually, because I remember as a kid
watching things like this is showing my age night Rider
and chips and all that kind of stuff, all that
americanized TV stuff, and thinking where's our stuff? Then of
course he had things like kuha so this is really
showing my age.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Because started I'm just shaking my head, like I.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
Was the Marti Current Affairs Show in the late nineteen seventies,
and then to cut it, there came and then others
followed on after that. So I remember Mom and Dad
used to watch this stuff and being really kind of
enthralled by seeing ourselves on television and listening to ourselves
on radio with stations like Tubero Cardica. You know, if
you think back to someone like Winnimo Parker who did
the prophty for the Mary Battalion when they came back
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from World War Two with the James hen that had
in nineteen forty six. So you know, Marti Radio, Malori
television was really in its kind of infancy, I guess
you could say when I was a kid, and that's
where my interest in it kind of developed and came from.
And you know, the other thing I think was that
pretty early on, unfortunately my dad realized I probably wasn't
(20:34):
going to be an all black who was an athlete.
Knew that I wasn't going to get there either, and
so I kind of developed a facility for woods and
that just became a thing. And then I realized I
wasn't going to be a rapper and I couldn't sing,
so broadcasting seemed to be So it was purely out
of desperation that I fell into broadcasting.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Wow, same story.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
We've all tried to be a silver feud.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
I try to be an all black, but I get gal.
So I just watched because well, I mean, why wouldn't you.
It's a buffet on a field every night from to Titlekio,
the Mighty Mighty North Were's.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Home for you to talk. Why is it so special?
Speaker 6 (21:23):
Well, my dad's buried in a place called Total. The
uninitiated see you fellows know for the uninitiated, it's just
south of kaykor heavy Fellow Jacob's Land. To pass the College,
you end up in Total. And Dad was brought up there.
And when I was young, my maternal grandparents were still alive,
so my crow Wady Cokini was a translator for the
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Marighty Lane Court and I fuck up up a new
tower or history and all that kind of stuff. But
I had no idea of mine apple, he kind of
heritage until my grandparents, my maternal grandparents had passed on,
and then Dad kind of landed me with your apple
you and I had no idea.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
What that was.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
And so pretty much from when I was thirteen, I've
always gone back. So total is where the old man's buried,
but where you know, the Wilcoxes originally well of Irish stock,
but originally from kind of way cuta all the way
through to Weimar with tires into a Nartie Carter card,
you know, so hooky on all the way through, and I,
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I don't know, I get a sense of kind of
being able to take a breath when I go home.
It just feels like there's something in there which settles
you down. And maybe it's the constant abuse of you know,
not going home enough or thinking I'm too good for home,
or you know, not doing enough dishes or whatever it is,
or the Aunties telling me, telling me off like Antie
Epu and them, But whatever it is, you know, I
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feel like that's where I met my one hundred and
it's kind of a weird thing, you know. But Auckland's
not home for me. It's just where we kind of reside.
But every time I go back, I feel like I'm
kind of with kith and kin. And that is not
to deny my kind of Tello a fuck and I'm
very proud of it. And you know, my mum is
a very stage tattle. The Kings are a storage to Afano,
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but because the old man's buried at home, that's kind
of where I'm like.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Kira, and I mean you're like, a where did your
pudna come from?
Speaker 6 (23:22):
Yeah? I know what's right? I mean I when I
got into broadcasting, I started with a guy who's a
bit of a store water guy by the name of
Henadi KINGI, oh wow, who's from the king Ees and
t t And I used to hang out with him
during the week when I was broadcasting on radio. And
then on the weekend I used to hang out with
this old lady called anti Us Farnga. But she was
(23:45):
a pater and a kobt. So on the weekends I'd
hang up with her and go to church and like
there'd be twenty clergy and three parishioners, and I was
probably the only one under fifty. Because you know, it
was just learning the language and trying to understand what
made these old people kind of tick. And then hang
out with him not there and just again trying to
learn the language. And of course they were bothing up,
so I kind of fell into it. But the one
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who really kind of taught me a lot was was
my uncle, the late Surpatu Warhapa, who's an uncle on
my dad's side, and he just kind of took an
interest in me and wanted to share stuff, and particularly
around Hookyjunga and Fucker Papa and who we were and
where we came from and our ties back to the Pacific,
and so he didn't really have people he could kind
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of share that with them. For whatever reason, I was around,
so we used to kind of hang out. And then
more lately, you know, someone like out to Mark how
who I spend a bit of time with, and yeah,
and I just find that their world really appeals to me.
And the way that they think, the way that they
kind of expressed themselves, their kind of humility, their humanity,
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the way in which they really care about home is
something that I have a kind of shared feeling and
affinity for. And yeah, I just like hanging with them.
And maybe it's because I'm an old soul or whatever
it is, you know, but that kind of is where
I feel naturally kind of placed.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
In the world.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Was so it was toil Mardi always part of your
childhood growing up? Though, was it was it spoken at
home or even.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
Really I was, I was. It's actually shameful.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
I you say you're cool airs back then, and I'm thinking,
but how are you so not?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Like were amazing?
Speaker 6 (25:32):
You know, it was, it was pretty bad. My mum
was was really parmer my because she was undertaking tertiary
education at Victoria University with initially you look Abroad and
then he mead and and all those. So she was
doing the talk and then she ended up doing the
master's but she was learning. And dads and native fluence speaker,
(25:53):
beautiful speaker, you know, total total uh total, too far
back because they were old school I love it, love
and but yeah, we none of us spoke mild. In fact,
the one who had the kind of natural gift was
my sister, very bright. My brother's big and strong, so
you know, everything I'm not they got, you got, but
(26:17):
you know they they were probably the ones who should
have picked it up and for whatever reason didn't and
it kind of came my way. But no, we were
I was particularly was a very ignorant child. I was
and thought we were Italian.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I would believe that.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
You know, just just really kind of ignorant and and
wasn't really brought up around home, so have a great
idea of it. And it's actually quite embarrassing now that
I think. But you know, so when ku hunger could
have come around and I'll look at young Tom now.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Yeh norm well and that's as I today.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
So and then fast forward to now obviously you know
Martin Ardell, you teach Todell, you you you have many
different porte using today, using ti kung a, using.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
My thong a mahdi, which is beautiful. So then teaching
to like it seems like.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
For us so I'm only just starting to learn to
do over the last couple of years really to like
really dive into it and reclaim it for myself. It
seems like for us learning that there's like a massive
resurgence of you know, they all wa nanga, they're all
learning opportunities and more people who are speaking tod Is
that the case or is it just because I'm just
starting this journey?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
No, no, no, that is.
Speaker 6 (27:30):
Definitely the case. I can remember when universities first started
offering to do a maori what they call nil fi.
They didn't call it free. They called it nil fi
and that was something to try and get more non
Malori learning to do. Now that's what two thousands, so
that's fairly recent. Could it all started in nineteen ninety six,
I think through to total fidy and timilty mainly for
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teachers and to do Maori. They were getting warha with
the amount of Maori teachers who were either using poor
grammar or poor syntax or wrong sentence structure. So the
credodell developed out of that by Jatota fidy and then
carried on and kept going. And I can remember the
initial initial critical in Waimadama because there weren't many of
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us young ones going. It was mainly lots of old people.
And then I got chucked in. Me and Taynuise Stevens
were the only ones under fifty who were and we
were hanging out with all these native speakers of Mahi,
beautiful speakers of to Mahi. And then you go into
a class with Media Simpson Wow, and she would just
(28:37):
lam bust people for you know, poor sentence structure or
you know, passive endings and stuff like this. Then you
go into a class with Faddi Hui and for toki
stuff I'd never heard of before, and all these old
people are sitting there like, Wow, this is amazing. They're
all native speakers, and I'm the kind of pretender. Really.
Then you going with ten Moulten. He's got his class.
(28:58):
Tell me how to Mason's doing. Qiwaha, I need to
mock Edwards his mum. All these old people's daughter hurdiful,
you know, and these cred earl were my Christmas holidays.
So the creddell started in the nineties and then all
of a sudden out of things like to panic credit
(29:18):
and you get a plethora of Nwi starting to develop
their own their own one, and that really kind of
came in the early two thousands. So you're right, there
are a lot more now, and I think it's awesome. Yeah,
I think it's great. You know. I mean you look
at home. So we've got to Toomata. We've got five,
that's right. Anyway, you've got Cabago run their own cred earl.
(29:42):
We're running a coded earl now for the Kaypa parhole.
You know, those things really only came about recently, and
it is easier for someone to start learning the language now.
I think one of the difficulties that we have though,
is because of the options available. It's almost like you've
got to pick one. Whereas I think the more that
you can attend, the more that you can get into,
(30:04):
the easier it is, the better it is. And I
used to just pick up stuff from other EWA and
then go home and get taught off because no one
knew what the hell I was talking about or new words,
and no one knew what the heck they meant. But
I think now you know, it's good that you've started
your journey, because there's really no reason why you can't start.
It's so available. But the thing that scares me is
(30:27):
that because it's so available, you've got a lot of
non mary who are learning to do. And this is
going to be controversial, but I've seen lots of non
Mardy learn to and then weaponize it against us. Yes,
so we we've people like you just as important as
these two and the acquisition of our language, so we
can make sure that yes we are k of it,
(30:50):
Yes we make it available, but we ensure that those
who are not us who are learning it aren't using
it against us.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yes, that's you did touch our like you know, maybe
choosing the one that you want to go with the tiara.
Maybe it's it's you know, all those other what one like,
are you passionate about whether it's Karakia, whether it's whether
it's mamataka, Like, what one do you find passion?
Speaker 6 (31:19):
We've got a kind of a one that we do
with and I won't go too much into it. The
reason why I really like it is it's, you know,
you just hang with the old talks and and those
are the best ones, I mean, the only gifts. You
really need to pick this stuff up as a left
there in the idea. And it's hard because you've got
social media and it's hard to put a phone down
(31:41):
or put a computer down. You know, it's hard to
just kind of sit and be still and go. Rarey
talks about this thing that the first of Earl was
actually in the n and you just got to are
you just sit and you listen. You can hear after
a while, you hear different bog calls, you hear different
tree calls, You hear different winds. I love that, And
that's the natural to know. And the question is what
(32:03):
comes first? You know, chicken and egg and who marries who?
You know, who mirrors the other one? And so you know,
that's what I kind of like to do, which is
completely different from all the other where you go and
all that kind of stuff. But it teaches you to
kind of be scentered and a little bit more kind
of aware and attuned, and that's really hard in a
(32:24):
world with technology and lots going on. Just chill.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
A different copap accorded all for this? Who for the
WHOI tonight, Madamataka.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Now you are a person who really knows your stuff
and pushes the boundaries for others to sort of open
up to and go, oh, this is cool. Oh I'm
learning about this. Didn't think about that last time? Does
the moon actually work like that? And you are that person?
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Why is the Marta Mattucker so important?
Speaker 6 (32:56):
Well, first of all, it's us. And by the way,
I'm not an expert like I'm I mean that there's
lots more people and better people than I. But the
reason why I think it's it's really good for us
is because it teaches you humility, that you're not in control,
actually that there are other elements in control of your
world that you have to kind of align with. So
(33:16):
when you look at the Malamatucker, I think there's there's
parts people look at. For instance, they look at the
moon phase and they go, yep, we're in this, and
therefore that's the excuse why I don't feel good, or
that's the excuse why don't finish assignment right, And it's
it's not about that. You've got to align the manamatucker
with the peckle of the toes, so it kind of
and it's not a season, but what time of year
(33:36):
we're in. Then you align with the manamataka and then
you look at high tide and low tide, and then
you can try and start to adapt and think, Okay,
then I can do different things a different days. So
for example, yesterday was federal and I heard someone say,
oh it's fed. Oh yeah, bad. Day to day, I
won't do much, which is not how it works. So
we're going from exactly and you know, we're going out
(34:00):
of the muddets and we're coming into the tokodos soon
and to winter into the winter faces, right, and so
there's some certain things happening in the environment. Then you
look at high tides and low tide, and you can
push and pull and all that kind of stuff depending
on where the tides are. And so that's the way
to think about it though for me, is that you
think I'm just a small cog in this massive wind.
And when you start thinking like that, and not just
when you think about them, and this is a bit
(34:21):
of theeal, so excuse me for doing it. But when
you think about the world and the earth, the wood
on the earth is only this part of that. And
so the universe has, for instance, it has sources of water,
which is what combines with lots of other different things
to form stars and other planets and all this kind
of thing. When you start thinking of it in that way,
it's really humbling, and then you have to start thinking about, Okay,
(34:42):
what's going on in the world that I have to
started tuning myself to it. When you think like that,
you start thinking differently.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Ah, yes, well, Anissa ours actually gave me this little
example a couple of weeks ago because he said, augle
oak and.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
I'm like, oh, here we go. The sassy tongue is
coming out. Are you not feeling good?
Speaker 3 (35:00):
And I'm like, she goes, you're not giving me your
kind of vibe today, and I'm like, I'm just chilling,
and she goes, do you watch the follow the Madamttucker,
and I'm like should I, and she goes, you know,
the moon has ways to pull oceans and tides, and
it has the same effect on people. She said, that's
why you get lunar. And then I'm like, seculling me
(35:23):
a lunatic.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
So is that people people can talk about energy and
how that can wax and wane, both in the environment
and within the person themselves. So for example, there's a
thing that happens every aud to do which we kind
of observe we're is getting close to full moon one
phase two faces before full moon or those are the
(35:49):
full moon ones, but an at and you can see
it big big, big eyed moon. They used to call it.
There's a forgot to narcodo is that when someone falls
for someone in their almost giving four moon eyes but
the auto do moon. The other thing about the order
do moon is that no matter what the weather, depending
(36:09):
on the tide tide coming into high tide, there's always
a time at which the weather just goes sucks itself
out and it just goes calm from an hour and
then if it's stormy and bucketing down, it'll do this.
You'll feel the wind pull itself in the rain will stop,
the storm will stop for forty five minutes, for an hour,
and then it'll come back again. And so when you
(36:30):
think and you can actually predict this, right, so when
you look at the next or to do phase, depending
on where you are. So here's the other thing. The
might of our Tucker works at different times in different places.
So yes, it's the same phase, but it's just different
locations with different effects.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Amazing, So you can actually.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
Start predicting what you can do, when you can do it,
and how you can do it. Because you look at
when the tides are coming in or out, when the
moon is there a particular phase and a certain part
of the year, you can start planning things. So you know,
for example, Matadiki set up brasions always happen, and I
think it's on the first tonguelador a phase after and
(37:07):
so we know that it's going to be the twenty eighth, right.
So for us, because we're west coast, do we we're Poonga,
we know we follow the auto do part of when
puga first comes up, so we know that it's going
to be about the twenty first. Then you look at
the high tide or when the tide is coming in
and then that's when you kind of align your ka
because you know, no matter what the weather, you're going
to see poor so you can start planning things out
(37:29):
just to learn.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
So much like we we.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Or other experts we do on our on our radio show,
we do do the Madam Attucka in the morning, and
I suppose we don't go into that depth, but it's
it's learning for me is it's it's enough. But this
is brilliant and I feel like we should be calling
you doctor, professor, your highness.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
I was sitting here and I'm like, do youez what
did you used to use that, like, you know, go
out on the day, Yes, a pick up line? Yeah,
pack up lines of doom.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
I hope you did.
Speaker 6 (38:01):
Yeah, it's getting really embarrassing. When we were learning the
me and my best mate, I won't say his name
but rhymes with heaven raughten. He we used to go
and you know, you go to town and there'd be
St Jose or hook an Idiot or Sacred Heart or whatever.
Mainly some jos I want to go anyway, and you'd
(38:23):
see them there in the uniform and so we're going
to a fruit store or whatever. This particularly worked when
they were non Mardi and you'd pick up an apple
and go. You see, the only thing we knew was
heart was the Lord's prayer, which is sacrilegious, but anyway,
we'd sit there and and the girl will come in
the shop and you go grab an apple. And my mother.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
And the same Joe's girls were like they're doing the
Lord's prayer, but the part girls go.
Speaker 6 (38:58):
And then they and then they hit to do.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
That kind of.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
The number and the number ones, number one speaking so beautiful,
play like that aealing you boys.
Speaker 6 (39:11):
Don't work, not not with the value quietly, but you know,
I mean the real is it's a facility by which
you can engage with people. And that way ye look,
I mean eitherways said that, I think that is the
sixtiest language. Because people say it's French and it sounds spitty.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
It is.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Actually it's quite co depends it depends.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
I think I we your and there were the way
how you come it like your voice.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Some of our uncles up north not so much.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
You know, that's a little bit sixty.
Speaker 6 (40:03):
You remember, we won't say in particular, but it might
rhyme with hearting in there.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
They can get really cultural with it, although they will.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
Probably say the same thing about my uncles in total.
But you know, the one i'ld say. The really interesting
thing is that for me, whilst I hang out with
these olds, it was the Aunties, it was the Aunties
who would just keep you on, still do yes, you know,
white tongue you. This year when the government came on,
(40:39):
you know, I wasn't meant to get up and I
had an auntie from hockey and she said you're getting
up and I said no, I'm not and.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
She was like yeah.
Speaker 6 (40:49):
She was like sorry, who do you think you are?
Then you're getting up? And I was going on and
I wasn't dressed and and and this is the thing
is that people forget. I think it's the Aunties that
rule the world.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
They do women absolutely said.
Speaker 6 (41:03):
Yeah no, and I'm not just saying it like you
know that it freaks me out, like I get scared
because whilst we might do you know, and stuff like that.
Particularly in Huma, there there's always three queers sitting on
the side and you look at them and you finish,
and then you go and they go antie and you
(41:25):
think you've been flipping awesome, and you they come to
take them two battle. We're really getting into it. They
come to town off of the two bar bucker. You've
held them off, and you're going, fine, you're really really
good about yourself. You look over and I turned to
this one Auntie, I won't say your name rhymes.
Speaker 9 (41:45):
She's from why Mass all the wy ones and I'm
talking about and they go home Muddlegamudoga, you know, and
all the old one the old.
Speaker 6 (41:56):
Uncles, you know, and there that was awesome. And then
she's going, oh, that was rubbish, you know. And so
the reason what I'm saying is because I think we
have severely undervalued the importance and manner of our hunger.
Who's there, you look good to go, but who's in
(42:20):
the toy mainly but aterually the ones who rule the woost.
I think that's the bit sometimes that I get a
bit worried about, is we need to go through a
decolonized process to remember to remember, and we do.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Have that remember to remember well, Julian Wilcox, As always,
we are fans of yours. We love you because you're
also one of ours from to tay Tikio, but we
also adore and love what you do for broadcasting here
in Altdor and your knowledge on the Madam Attucker is
just outstanding.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
So thank you for being part of our show.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
But before we stay hied at our matkitka, we everyone
knows you as a broadcaster. So Phoenix has got a
little we've got something something that we would like you
to do for us.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Yes, oh yeah, So we were taking a bit of
liberties while you're here actually as you do, and so
we're thinking if you could give us your best introduction
of US three and this podcast and your best news
as if you're on the hoo and it's breaking stage
(43:26):
care yeah, breaking news. You need to introduce Massia Phoenix
and look the podcast cordedor but its breaking.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
News is coming in best newscast voice crossing live now
to our correspondent. It's Julie Wilcock, Julian K. Queer, Welcome
breaking news. We've just received information straight from Parliament from
the Mob Prime Minister whose name none of us can remember,
who has just told us that there is a new podcast.
Speaker 6 (43:53):
It's called the Corridor Podcast, by Divine Intervention, by the
love of and by to a Maldi. This podcast was
born all the way from Iwin, Hawaii on the walk
or featuring Phoenix, Marcia and of course Luke the Birdman.
And like the bird, not only would it fly, it
will soar to the highest horizons, to the greatest skies,
(44:16):
to the depths of the oceans, and backing it onto
the land where our people will wait with baited breath
to hear, to see, to feel, to touch the spirit
of this new tongue called the cord it or podcast.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Ah, I want to listen to it even I want
to listen to.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Julia.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Thank you so much. Dat love what you do. We're
proud of what you do. You're fronted tak amazing.
Speaker 6 (45:01):
I just wanted to say, I just want to say
that we first kind of worked together. I didn't really
know what to expect. I'm not cutting out Phoenix, but
but these two. Honestly, it was the funnest isn't even
(45:22):
a word what am I going? But it was the
funnest event I've done in a long time, mainly and
lots of people were into it. The audience was was
into it, but mainly because of these two. So I
hope you to keep doing what you're doing. I hope
I get the chance to work with you.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Well.
Speaker 6 (45:39):
I enjoyed it you know, having having known apure there
and it felt like a bit of a title the
whole the whole show was which which is how it
often feels. Actually, but no, no, this has been awesome
when I just wish you the best with it, and
of course with Phoenix as well. I think we need
more of us celebrating what we do, not mean, but
(45:59):
so brding other people and what they do because we don't,
no one else is going to do it. Thank you for.
Speaker 5 (46:07):
And on that note, thank you very much for coming in.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
It was like that's blown. I know, I'm a little
bit like, what do we do now?
Speaker 6 (46:14):
Like, wow, that was incredible? Why not?
Speaker 2 (46:18):
We know you to be a very.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Busy person and so we were sure the beast of
all your future vs, including the Mini Cooper bother you've
gone on.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Today Julian woke up to everybody's amazing. Amazing, Julian, you
are now the voice of our podcast.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
Julian and I apologize against all the fellows got me confused. Yeah,
so talented, such a sponge too. And then I love
that he's still not still but that he's able to
share his knowledge with OWLD.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
I find it so encouraging to super encouraging that people
like Julian Wilcox himself, and then like Scottie Morrison, who
you just assume have always been able to.
Speaker 6 (47:10):
Speak to.
Speaker 4 (47:14):
Thoughts on the adult's no excuse, I watch out for us.
Speaker 5 (47:21):
It actually makes me want to start piano.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
Yeah, it's not too late.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
You don't what And he smells delicious.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
I was sitting next to him and I'm like, damn,
you're fine, good like you know it look good?
Speaker 4 (47:37):
He does.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
What an awesome guy?
Speaker 2 (47:38):
And wee, Julian, what a man?
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Man?
Speaker 6 (47:41):
What a man?
Speaker 3 (47:42):
What a man?
Speaker 1 (47:44):
Mad?
Speaker 2 (47:45):
A good man?
Speaker 3 (47:49):
I'm not. And it's time for us to get would
you believe that is episode nine?
Speaker 1 (47:55):
No, it's actually getting quite sad because we're.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Getting I know you need to the end. But what
a great season.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
We haven't finished it though, but yeah, time for us
to say hi to Arma, to our hooky kitch kanga.
But we are back next week with another brand new episode,
a fantastic episode, the last of our season four seas
the season one. But mate, Massy, give me a little
teeth for the aster who's coming on board.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
She's bold, she's straight up the gats, she's social media,
she is funny. She is a mama, a business woman
and yeah, she's just like no filter. I love to
watch her.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Twenty four seven, I've got her.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
It's the one and only Next Next Next is joining
our show for the final off season, one into evening.
You have got to stick around for her because you
know what she's like. She is she's on Next.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
I mean, look at all our guests. It's great. Great,
We're great because we called it right well not yeah
quote there n called Marcia or Hopper shamelessly from.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
The Phoenix.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
And I'm like the bird man from so you know,
where else would you rather be? And right here because
we want we're going to do more cornetor
Speaker 6 (49:18):
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