October 6, 2024 • 31 mins
Chris Key joins Manaia Stewart to go deep into the NRL Grand Final between the Panthers and the Storm (0:00).
Plus, the guys discuss the Penrith Panthers dynasty, whether or not Cam Munster bit Paul Alamoti and if the Storm were robbed of a Try...
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Oh, I have the energy levels on a Monday.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome back to the Mad Monday Podcast, brought to you
as always by four and twenty PI. Is a perfect
at home snack for watching the NRL Grand Final for
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
My name is Tin.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I saw a Monday OWI and joined in the commentary
position as it was last night, but the podcast position
as it is this morning, ed and for newer Keazy.
Now a question I wanted to ask you, as a
man who starts work in the afternoon, and I presume
you have a cursory alarm that sets that wakes you
up before your missus goes to work and then you
(00:40):
go straight back to sleep. What time did you actually
get out of bed this morning after watching the Grand Final?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Well, we'll start with you. What time did you get
out of it? I took a sleep in this morning.
I got out of a bit of eight eight. Yeah,
I was nine thirty.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah the fuck it was good to Oh my god.
And I feel like most people would have been like,
if you could, you would have taken Yeah. We got
a lot of tech last night, people saying that they
were going to take the day off right. There was
a Gohader's birthday. I hate his isit though? It was
his birthday on Sunday and he's like, I'm going to trend.
I'm going to Monday as my birthday. Take that day off.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Like, to be honest, my alarm goes off every day
at seven thirty, which when I was first working and
starting late working for Sky, I got into a real
hole where you just stay up till one am every
night and then wake up and get out of bed
at like ten. Yeah, you're back on UNI hours, that's right.
And I'm like, I'm in my thirties now, man, So
seven thirty every day, my wife goes to work and
I don't feel like a massive piece of I don't
do anything. No For the first like two hours, I'm
(01:34):
a piece of shit. But yesterday was really nice that
I could just sleep and in fact, I even stopped
got some fast food on the way home. Watched the
video on YouTube. Yeah, oh, well, you know I live
around the corner from particular fast food chain. Yeah, every
few of them, a few of them, but there's one
that's literally like what four hundred meters from my house.
It's actually harder to not go through there, that's right.
(01:55):
And the lights weren't playing ball, so I just carried
on straight, turned into there and ended up eating that
in front of the TV. It was delicious. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
And that was of course the out just around the
court of your house and drive through four and twenty piles.
The Grand Final last night, fourteen points to six in
the end.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, And as we predicted, it wasn't going to be
a high scoring A fair and I two of the
best defenses in the in the league. Yeah, it was
always going to be stingy a. I was talking to
Lane this morning about it. He's like, Oh, you could
have let me know beforehand. I had all these bits
on it being over X amount of points. Who did
you talk to? Well, hang on, you could have let
me know. Why are you putting bits on something if
you have no idea? I know what? And why didn't
(02:32):
you ask me beforehand? Yeah? He had. He had like
nine different bets that involved multiple tri scores, not in
the screen final.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
I have not talked to anyone this morning, and I've
talked to a lot of degenerates today. I have not
talked to a single person who hit a bit last night.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
No, absolutely, I almost did. Shit, I almost did when
I just said, will Warwick to score and my multi
to come in. But it's just no one. No one
had anything. If it was another one of those scrand
finals where you've got the Panthers and then in a
team a sort of middling like if the Sharks or
someone had got through, Yeah, that's when you'd be getting
a lot of any times. But against Melbourne, it's not happening. No.
(03:07):
And like I said before, we all predicted it was
going to be stingy on defense, and I felt like
both teams were quite tense when they were Yeah, particularly
the Panthers I thought were I was talking about it
at nauseum on the commentary last night, but I was
like their fifth tackle options were just chaotic. Yeah, there
was a phase, especially in the first half, where they
(03:30):
kept sort of they pass it out wide and then
Luay or someone would pass it back infield against the
grand play and then all of a sudden, Mitch Kenny's
got the ball or Isaiah Yo. It's just like, oh shit, okay, Yeah,
that was quite unpredictable. James Fisher Harris looked out to
the wing and his eyes lit up, and I think
you've had in a Panther's jersey was like no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
He thought about it. Isaiah Yo had to think about
(03:51):
it as well. Yeah, there were a lot of Fords
getting the ball and having it, like even for the
stormlic cart with that weird little chip kick that went out. Yeah,
so a lot of guys were definitely was not the
plans that Ivan Clear and Bellamy had put in place?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Or are they both so good that they shut down
what each other was trying to do?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
So okay, this is how good they are as coaches.
They're now getting benefit of the doubtful like bad things
that happened. Yeah, well no, I'm saying like defensively, both
teams were so excellent defensively. Maybe okay, maybe why the
Panthers looked so frantic on the fifth tackle was because
Melbourne Storm coming. He knew exactly what they were trying
to do. He's like, let's just shut it down. I've
got to say I didn't. I didn't actually see who
(04:30):
ended up giving the Clive Churchill was it Liam Martin?
Was Liam Martin? Well scored a try stole the ball
clean off. Xavier coach could have scored himself again, Yeah,
freaked out and pasted it, but it ended up being
a Paul Alamodi try in the corner, even though he
was very unhealthy and his shoulder was knaked shit. Nathan
Clear was just any everything his running game, he was.
He's such a good player.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
There is a chance that we're watching one of the
greatest players of all time. There's a chance we're watching
the greatest rugby league player of all time. That's it's
all said and done. It's going to be very hard
to argue against. And I would actually say that now
that they've hit this four.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Peat, and in fact, I probably would have said this
last year. I reckon and I'm not a great historian
of the game, but I'm willing to go on wax
and say this the other greatest rugby league team of
all time, this Penwrith Panthers dynasty. So what are the teams? Then?
This is where we need Ben Hurley and Die Henwood.
What are the teams that would you know, well, the
(05:25):
one that sticks out.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
So this is the third team in history to win
four straight premierships, and the first since Saint George, who
won eleven in a row from nineteen fifty six to
nineteen sixty six.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I'm going to go ahead and say that's the greatest NL. Yeah,
but eleven man, would you say, who do you think
is the greatest basketball player of all time? Blake Griffin? Okay,
and so he's won how many titles? No? Now, because
he was my favorite player for a long time, I'd
say the best basketball player of all time is probably
Lebron James. Yeah, and so he's won four or five? Yeah, four,
(06:01):
He's been there and thereabouts a lot.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
If you want to say Michael Jordan's the best for
bust same player of all time, he won six, Yeah,
that's right. Bill Russell won eleven championships, but nobody considers
him to be the greatest of all time.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
And when you think about it, too, basketball's five players
on the team, so he's a pretty light pevotal role.
He's not one of thirteen. He's twenty percent of the thing.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
So all I'm saying is eleven in a row back
in nineteen fifty. I just don't think it really. No
one can remember that team done lately. Yeah, that's that's
all right, But also it just I don't know, there's
just something about this team. If you want to say
that that st George side that won eleven in a
row is the greatest NFL team or Rugby league team
(06:43):
of all time. Then you've also got to say that
Bill Russell is the greatest basketball player of all time.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Well, the difference is eleven in a row that Bill
Russell did the exact same thing. No, no, no, compared to
four in a row, That is a huge gap. That's
not Lebron with his four or whatever. It is compared
to Michael Jordan's six. No, but it's Lebron compared to
Bill Russell. It's literally the same number. Okay, I'm gonna
have to do some more research into this, Saint George.
I want to know how many people will play, how
(07:08):
many teams there were, Zach Lomax aren't still firing? Was
there a party at Paul Vaughan's, That's right. I wanted
to know all this sort of stuff. Was there a
was Corey Norman hiding underneath the bed? These are the
things we need to know about that team from the
fifties through to the If anyone listening that was sort
of old enough to have witnessed that, so you know,
(07:28):
maybe eighteen onwards, Yeah, it's listening right now, So you
probably what almost ninety at least, ye send us a
talk back on the iHeartRadio ninety years old, get your
nurse to fire one through for you, Yeah, and joining
the discussion. Yeah, I don't know. I just think it's
it's definitely a discussion now. And I know it's always.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Weird when we when we're watching them play, Like the
same thing's happening with Lebron where it's like, how can
you say that he's the best? It's hard to say
when you're watching him. I you know, like I said,
I was a kid when Joey John's was doing his
thing but for all his purposes, a lot of people
saying he was one of the greatest of all time.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
It is hard to And also that's sixty years ago
almost that they won their last one. That is just
such half a century. Yeah, it's a different game, man,
it is.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
It's like when you go back and watch Pine Tree
Meads videos, Broddertallic would snap Pine Tree Meads and half.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah, And if you put the Panthers out against that
original team, they would abou destroy them one hundred percent.
But I just think it's it's tough.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
It's the same thing that's happening not to use another
basketball analogy, but when the Golden State Warriors were dusting
everyone and people were starting to get a little bit
bored of it. Now we look back on it and
we're like, that was greatness and we got to witness it.
I think that's how we look back on this Penrith
Panthers team.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
That's how you know it was greatness because it was
just suffocating the life out of everyone with how great
it was.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
And casual fans were like, oh god, these guys again. Yeah,
my missus one of the storm to win just because
she's sick of the Panthers.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
That's good. That's how good they've been. Yeah, and she's
not exactly like a you know, an into it legey. Yeah,
she just is sick of hearing about the Panthers being good.
That's right. Ah. What do you think the Panthers moving forward? Obviously, Leuile,
there's quite a lot of players leaving sort of. James
Fisher Harris is leaving as well.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Would it surprise you to know that the Panthers four
dollars twenty five favorites to win it again next year?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
No, it doesn't, because every single person they bring through
it doesn't matter who is leaving. You know, Stephen Crichton left,
Matt burdenle It just does not matter. Viliami Keku left
and that left side was the most dominant side in
the NRL last season and now it's not. It doesn't matter.
They still won't up cottas Ou left. So like if
you put those are some top level players, it has
(09:35):
not made a difference. They've still got Cleary, They've still
got Yo. I think it's a massive part of this
and probably one of the underrated members of that team.
Well they lost Lynn you as well, yes, so, but
now they've got all these other follows coming off the
bench that have just slotted into these roles. You've got
Schneider in the haves, who seems pretty sound. Ye looks
like he rode for Germany at the Olympics. I saw
(09:57):
him on the sideline For some reason, I just had
never seen what night to look like. I don't know why.
Up close did he wear headgear? Yeah, and so seeing
this like Nazi Hitler youth guy on the sideline, the Schnyder. Yeah.
But I to be honest, five in a row, I
think it will happen.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I mean, James Fisher, Harris, you know he's a big loss, Louis.
I wonder about whether the team may get better for
not having I.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Think we like to think that because he's a prick. Yeah,
I bet, I bet it'll be worse without him.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I couldn't watch all of the celebrations that he was doing.
There was a photo that was doing the rounds and
it's him leaning up against the goalposts with all his
like his medal around his neck and blah blah blah,
and the caption was, what do you think is going
through his head right now? I was like, I guarantee
what's going through his head right now? Is I bet
I look sick.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Sitting every celebration, he had to just be right there,
front and center in the middle of it, as if
it was his celebration and he was sort of ring
leading it for everyone else his birthday party and you're
all just invited. That's exactly what it was like. Well,
at least he's not going to have that at the
Tigers unless, and this is going to be really annoying,
he really spearheads a turnaround and is like an all
(11:08):
time great After that, all's forgiven at that point. But
then we would have to just be like, Okay, he's
a deck but he's pretty damn good. Yeah, I don't
think that's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I'm not there now, despite the fact that he's just one.
For the last four years, if he's walked onto a
rugby league pitch to play in a competition, he's won it.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Unless it's in New South Wales. Is probably the only hookut. Yeah,
and you know, but everything else good as goal. I
think did he play for some more as well? Eighty
thou attendance as well?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
And that's the stadium of course, stadium there that they've
been having a lot of issues with this year where
they've been. They've booked a lot of games there, but
no one, no one's turning up.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, and it's just a I forget what the term
is when it's just like it sucks the life out
so massive. I know, it's one of those stadiums that
it's no I feel like it's no one's true home ground.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
No one feels an affinity to it. So it's like,
I don't know. But but when it is full, it
looks ridiculous. I mean it looks like a toilet bowl. Yeah,
it's Hessen.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
From from the top angle there. It looks like it,
but eighty thousand people in the air. Well, it's like
playing at Wimbley or something. Right, It's just it's the
big dog of Australian stadiums. You haven't you're the right
for these two teams to be there. It's just packed out.
This fireworks the Kidler Roy is playing. Yeah, there's plenty
of as we're saying on the commentary last night, now
that's what I call white people music. Volume one was
(12:23):
in full blast, which was great. Oh my god. So
they had Sweet Caroline it was the first one. Yeah,
they had. The next one was take Me Home Country, right,
Home Country Roads. The Gambler came on after me saying
I wonder if the Gambler will be on there. Sure enough,
the very next one, the Gambler. It was out of control. Yeah,
there are hits. It's a universal thing. There are hits
that people just fucking love. Oh. Absolutely, we're at Oktoberfish.
(12:45):
That's exactly all of the songs they played in the
English speaking tents. Just play that shit. Oh man, it's
like they were just dancing Queen One, dancing Queen away
from just you know, playing the full album back to back. Yeah,
just call of an atmosphere that looks so great, bringing
the place to its knees. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Another thing I thought funny that was funny on social
media this morning was almost every outlet posted a picture
of the kid l Roy and said, how do we
rate that performance?
Speaker 1 (13:11):
What do we think of that performance? I felt like
they were trying to bait. Yeah. Absolutely, they were introversial opinion.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah, and all of the top comments are always were
always like great, love him, he's Aussie, he's a league fan,
a brilliant because I think for the longest time, the
NRL has been stuck in this like eighties promo thing.
They play old rock bands and they you know, and
and that kind of music. They promote it like it's Bathurst.
It's like this year, do we go Cold Chizzel again
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or wolf Mother?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
But it's like what percentage of the league now is
of Polynesian descent.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
They don't. They're not listening to the Cold Chizelna Unfortunately,
they're missing out. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
And because and because the you know, it's growing, so
the audience is getting younger and younger. They don't associate
the league with old rock bands anymore.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
No, And so what they did. There was but the kid.
And to be honest, the kid LaRoy is almost I
don't I'm not across as too young for me as well.
Yeah yeah, all of that. We're fitting into the older
fellers category now. And so you had the kid l
Royce and all the sons and the daughters of league
fans were entertained and then boom, Sweet Caroline comes on
for us old bases. You know, everyone's happy, So just
(14:21):
get like a nice common ground there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
And I think the other thing about the pregame entertainment
is it always looks shit. When you're playing on a
rugby league field, which is enormous. You can't see the
guys down there on the track. It always looks shit,
it does. It don't really matter who it is. Man
Embone's six sixty did the Aedton Park No the Grand Final?
Oh my god? And they got shit on. I hated
(14:45):
it works because it's supposed to be this big hype up.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
For the game. They're like, don't forget your roots. It's like,
the fuck are these guys.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
The game wasn't without its controversy, though, I think one
of the biggest ones was I mean, I mean, it's
the biggest cont controversy from the game, the Jack hewth
try no try in the fiftieth minute when we watched
it live and they showed that first replay on the TV,
you could see the ball touch the ground.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
But have you seen the other replay angles that round?
I have, Yeah, so I don't think that cancels out
the first one though. I think the mistake they made
was obviously in the bunker they've got because I've been
in control rooms before. The one at Sky there's fifteen
camera angles, yeah, and they've only allocated three and a
shot of the referee to be the ones on screen,
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so they're looking at more than just the ones we're
looking at. But in order to avoid controversy, controversy, controversy,
they need to flash that one up, you know. They
need to put that one up first and get everyone
on the same page. And they'd be like, it's no try, Yeah,
that's right. And the other thing is if you're going
to have a bunker then and we stopped the game,
(16:00):
then let's go through the whole process. I don't think
anyone's too worried. If it takes like three minutes.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
They've split it right up. Having that I know, and
that's what it felt like it was last night. It
was like they showed us that one on TV. They
watched however many others they did, and then they were like, no, no,
it's not a try. I do feel like the NRL
has done a great job today of plastering that video
that we've seen everywhere, because I've heard that they took
all the media into a room after the game and
(16:26):
showed them that replay.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Great.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
So yeah, but I feel like it's a bit of propaganda.
But I wonder if we can't afford to have this
be the storyline. So what we need to do is
Floody runs social media channels with this other angle that
looks like there's a hand underneath the ball.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Well, it didn't look like it there was a hand
underneath the ball, So then what was that other one
where you could clearly see it hitting the checker of
the lens refraction, So that one's refraction, but the arm
under the ball don't. I don't know. All I know
is that Jack Howith almost lost them that game by
not scoring the try. He went in in a real
non try score of fashion. He's pretty young and inexperienced fella. Yeah,
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and like just get the ball on the ground. He
did it weird, it was like and it was just
the wrong way to score a try. And if he
had scored that, Melbourne would have been slightly hid. They
would have drawn a level yeah, yeah, and then had
a kick. Well that's the thing, and then you know,
the Panthers second try through Liam Martin was a total
like just freak him stealing the ball of Xavier Coats
like that is something that's just I just feel like
(17:28):
it would have been a completely different result. Yes, if
he had just scored the try, like it was not
a hard one to score, yeah, and he went incorrectly.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, I do, in my heart of hearts, believe he
scored that. I know that there's that other angle going
around as well, but I just can't I can't get
that first angle out that we saw on the game.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
I can't get that out of my head. But the
first angle, though, it wasn't conclusive. I was looking at
it going like far, that looks like it was a try,
but I'm not like, oh, that definitely was a try, yeah,
whereas the angle going around was oh no, that clearly
was held up.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, But there was all so like multiple points where
he was held up, you know what I mean, Like
he initially got it down then was held up again. Look,
it's all very confusing. I don't think that's why they
lost the game.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
But I did enjoy watching another team get dutted by
the bunker, and it was Melbourne. It's usually the other
way around, Yeah, so I don't really care. Suck on that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
The other one that while we're talking about replays, the
Pappenhausen kick out on the full.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Oh yes, with the Sirrenson catching it.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
So Sorenson Pappy sliced this kick off the team, There's
no two ways about it. And it was curving towards
the sideline and Sorenson did the old foot and touch
catch thing. When you watch the replay very slowly his.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Foot was off the ground, yes, and he caught it
right foot was touching in play and then his left
foot went out, which is him taking it out. It was.
It was so very quick. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
But again, if we're going to have the bunker, you
might as well sit there and go through it and
go letter of the law. Now, as we always talk
about on this podcast, the NRL adjudicated on Vibe and
the vibe was Pappy's kicked that out on the full.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
One hundred percent and Sorenson he's a backgroun. I felt
that there's a bit of leeway for that as well.
The forward has caught it and pulled off this great move.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I just think if that was the NFL, that would
have been called that he take he had taken it.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
In the NFL, that's so many more stoppages and fucking around,
whereas in the NL they wanted to keep it moving.
I wonder, can you challenge that because they probably if
they had challenged it, they probably would have been successful.
But who's going to challenge that after an absolute shocking kick. Yeah,
so maybe they could have actually tended around, But well
that's what the challenge is for, right, Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
It's still there was a challenge. We saw another challenge
in the first twenty minutes. I think it was an
Alamodi maybe he had challenged right.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
It was like a kick catch knock on sort of situation,
and they got away with it because it was inconclusive,
so they retained their challenge. But I have been saying, oh,
year and obviously great ones and Maya deciding these things.
I would not burn a challenge in the first sixty
minutes of any NRL game, Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
You need that.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
When it comes down to it, you're going to need
that challenge. I just would have a blanket roll and
be like, guys, I'm sorry as the coach. Look, you
might You're probably right. You might be right. We'll check
it on Monday, we'll check the footage. You probably would
have been right. We're not fucking burning it.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
So I guess Ivan Cleary has full trust in Yo
is the captain, right, Yeah, full trust in him. But
I was really surprised that the Panthers did that because
that's not something the Panthers will do. That's something the
Warriors will do. And I don't know if you can
remember a couple of years ago though, talking about medically
retiring Isao for a string of concussions. You think it's
(20:36):
going back to bite him. Now, well, I mean he
got away with that one. But yeah, just as a rule,
I would love, you know, for the Warriors, the team
that I support that I love watching, I fucking hate
seeing even when it's clear as day. Yeah, you know,
just cop it.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
In that first particularly in the first half. Yeah, and
I would say, right, up until that fourth quarter. Don't
bother burning it because you just don't know what you're
going to need to.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
The other thing is the challenge has way more value
at the end of the game because how many times
have we seen a team use their challenge just to
use it to have a.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Rest as well, have a breather when you hold on
defense or something. Panthers actually did it just last night.
And at the end of that game.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
The Panthers turned away five consecutive That was crazy sets
from the Melbourne Storm. And I think, yeah, and I
think if they're going to, you know, take any pride,
well not take any pride, but the thing they should
take the most pride in from this game is that.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
The way they held them out because there were a
few moments in the game where Melbourne started to throw
the ball around a bit and you know, found space
through the middle. Harry Grant, to be honest, he had
a great game, but he wasn't sort of breaking things
open through the middle as much as they needed him
too in order to you know, ask questions. But it
was that five straight Melbourne set where they just couldn't
get anything happening. I think quite a few of those
(21:49):
sets were finishing with sort of the ball and a
back rower's hands or something, so there was a couple
of those in there, but still the Panthers were on
their own line, pinned down for a good five minutes
or something, and it just they just waited it out,
waited it out the way they've been doing for the
past four years, and then just wait for the other
team to make a mistake, boom their ball, go down
the other end of the field and usually score a try. Yeah,
(22:10):
they actually scored twice that way. That was just very
Panthers and it's super demoralizing too, because like Melbourne came
out firing, man. Yeah, in the opening fifteen I was like, shit,
Melbourn's gonna win this. The Panthers were like, you know,
sort of just making the tackles and blah blah blahlah blah.
But they were making them. And then after a while
Melbourn started to run out of gas and the Panthers,
just after weathering twenty minutes of punishment, had scored a
(22:33):
try within five minutes of their own punishment, which is demoralizing,
hugely demoralizing.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
So and then that boyed them to take on those
five repeat sets. I thought Hughes looked injured.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
He wasn't right. Well, I like to think he wasn't
right either that or as the Pantsman was calling, he
massively choked or was an isaac I can't remember. Uh oh, yeah,
I don't think it was a choke.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
You could see him limping around. He we mentioned in
commentary last night, we really hadn't seen it name. No,
for most of the game, it was just kicking and yeah,
Munster seemed to have It was almost like Hughes was
a bit injured, and so Monster was like, shit, I've
been injured in a bit rough all season, but I'm
going to have to get the ball and try to
be the one to spark things. Because he was trying
(23:15):
and he was failing, Like he dropped the ball cold
and made quite a few mistakes. Yeah, he was trying
really hard to.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Be that guy. Yeah, one hundred percents. Hughes was sitting
in the pocket, yeah, and just went missing for a
large part of that game. I think we will find
out that he's quite injured. By the time you listen
to this podcast, you'll probably know. Worrying thing about that
is now we go into the international window, the kiwis
he's our half back. Even before the Stacy Jones last
week had rung Seawan Johnson and said, look, hopefully it
(23:42):
doesn't happen, but if Hughes gets injured, would you be free?
And he said I'll get back to you, and then
he got back to him and said no, and so well,
I don't think this close to your retirement, like he's
been retired for just over a month. Yeah, you know
what I mean, Like you come to talk to me
after a month of retiring, I'm going to tell you,
you know, piss off, basic mate, Tell you come talk
to me the day after I've done a podcast. It
(24:04):
asked me to do another podcast. Well fuck that. But
apparently the Achilles was still was still playing. Well that's
the reason why he's called it quartz. But who's our
halfback then for the Killies? Nikoima? Yeah is it? I
don't know, Kieren Forn get another run? I don't know.
(24:25):
I reckon to Mighty Martin's probably to Mighty Martin, ye
man standing and then we'll find out he played for
Queensland at some point. And now we can't well let's
not let's not react too quickly to Jerome Hughes having
an off game because he might have just had a niggle.
So still got a few weeks, so hopefully we don't
have to worry about that Munster. Did he bite him
or not? Yeah, he definitely bet him. Yeah, we talked
(24:47):
about it last night.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
It looked like when you're biting into a piece of chicken,
a piece of KFC, and then you pull it.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
There's a little bit of tension.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
There before the things, and that's exactly what happened there,
that's right.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
And to be fear, Alamotti's forearm was right pushing and
squeezing right up against his mouth, so he almost forced
his arm into the air, and then Munster just bit
down and then as Alamotti pulled it away, it obviously
hurt Monster's teeth away because he's, oh, what the hell,
essentially giving away the fact that yes, he was biting him. Yeah,
so he's on report. Should you be allowed to bite
(25:19):
a man's arm if he puts it in your mouth? Well,
I think it's you say the NRL's left on vibe.
I think the vibe of that was it's sort of
a mutual situation, you know. It wasn't him going out
of his way to bite someone was in his mouth. Yeah. Well,
I was talking about this with Lane this morning on
the Gender Podcast and I was like, well, so if
(25:42):
your if your face is in front of my fist
and then allowed to punch you, is how that works?
And he was like, well, yeah, if you're just.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Standing there throwing punches in midfield and someone walks into
the way of one of those punches.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
That's right, it is. They knew it was that. Yees.
So I think he'll get off it. I think he has.
I think I saw this morning. They've already cleared it.
The NRL don't want that being a storyline. Yeah. I
was praying that he'd get like a four game suspension
and we'd play the Melbourne Storm in the first It's
not how it works, man. We'll get him on week
five if that's the case.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Twenty six dollars for the Warriors to win next year,
by the way, we're about middle of the field, good odds. Yeah,
I mean, if you think we're gonna if you think
next year is our.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Year, do we have twenty six bucks? Do we have
a tob hunch bonus bet or anything we just chucked
out right now? We don't. They've gotten onto us that
we've got no more NRL to punch. Ah bugger, Well
are you thinking little futures bit just a little like
do you remember this time last year we put that
hundred bucks on man? That was genius? Yeah. I mean
I have not a lot of faith as of yet
(26:46):
that that's going to come in. I need the stink
of this season to settle. Yeah, and I need to
see some pre season and some big signings and stuff
to get me fizzed up again. Yeah, one hundred percent,
just to get us onto that twenty six dollars. The
Storm actually tied with Panthers for the shortest odds next
year Ford dollers twenty five. Do you subscribe to the
theory that after you lose a Grand Final to the
penwith Panthers, your team goes to shit? I traditionally do.
(27:09):
But I think it was more that the teams like
Broncos for example, who Yeah, they went to shit eels, Yeah,
Rabbit O's rabbit Os. I think that was more a
factor of those teams just happened to get everything right
so that they could get to the final just with
everything they had, and then it didn't work, and then
it all crumbled away. I don't think that's the Melbourne Storm.
(27:31):
The melbourn Storm have been guns for so long. Yeah,
that's right, So I don't think it will be about
those other teams. Yes, absolutely, because who are the Melbourne
Storm losing this year? No one, really, no one. And
that it was after that last Grand Final they won
against the Panthers, that's right, that's when they lost everyone.
They lost the Broniz brothers, that's right. So they had
to rebuilding and yeah, completely redesigned things. And also they've
(27:52):
had a horror run with injuries to their key players
like Papenalzen and stuff. So I think Melbourne will probably
be in the conversation next season. They'll probably be second
on the table by the end of the season or something.
You know, overall scores on the game, how did you
find that game was to watch as far as the
Grand Final goes, But for me, we were treated last year.
(28:14):
Last year's Grand Final was arguably.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yes, it was great, one of the greatest of all time,
one of I'd probably put it second in my living
memory behind the Jonathan Thurston of course.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah one twenty fifteen is it? Yeah, that was the
Ben Hunt drop ball gold point. It was a lot. Yeah,
there was a lot going and rewatched that one. There's
a lot going on in that game.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah, And I think the Benji Marshallow five flick Parcel
always absolutely living our memories and obviously any Grand Final
that we played in, although we got humped by the Eels,
and yeah, I think this one, if I had to
give it a rating out of ten, probably like a
six or five.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah, like two teams I don't like. Yeah, playing some
pretty shaky ball to begin with, and then it was
low scoring. Yeah, lou I won four in a row.
I think it's a five. Yeah, Yeah, I think it's
about a five for me as well. It wasn't enough drama, nah,
Like it wasn't like a good State of Origin Game
(29:19):
three matchup where it's all on and it's high intensity
and stuff. It's just it wasn't this year. Yeah, And
to be fair, the whole final series has been pretty average. Yeah,
after what's been a great season. Yeah, it's almost like
usually the season most pretty predictable and then the final
series is where the interesting stuff happens. That was not
the case this yet. It was the other way around. No,
it was a very interesting regular season, although very disappointing
(29:41):
for the Warriors and then yeah, disappointing of postseason. Yeah,
so I'm gonna give it five out of ten. What
about you? Yeah, I'm exactly the same.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
This is no different to me than the rabbit oz
one than the Eels one.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yeah. Obviously last year was tremendous. So yeah, I was
about a five as far as Green Final, like if
that was a regular season game, you know, just a
good match. Yeah, there's a great, great game of rugby league.
But yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I thoroughly enjoyed doing the commentary. The texts we got
last night were absolutely hilarious. Thank you to everyone that
texts it in a lot of people on a boat
off the coast of Samore. Someone even managed to get
a text through from their page and be route right.
Someone ticks someone was watching from a trench in Ukraine,
and another person about seventy five meters below the peak
(30:29):
the summit of Everest.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
It's just rugby league bringing people together, you know, that'scc
it's all we're all about and speaking to, bringing people together.
We need to at some point this week or the
next get all of us from the Mad Monday crew
in the same room to record a podcast.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
We'll get die in here. He's still over in Australia,
by the way. He was at the at the final
Hurley's Away as well, So we need to get all
of us to sit down and have a good old
fashioned debrief for it.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
We're not going to say when that's going to happen,
but hopefully it happens at some point soon.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Hopefully it happens this week, but we'll see how we go.
Otherwise we'll not this thing on the head. Thank you
very much for joining us today and indeed throughout the season,
and thank you as always to four and twenty pies.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
We will see you guys later on in Australia without
rugby league, He's not Australia.
Oh, I have the energy levels on a Monday.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome back to the Mad Monday Podcast, brought to you
as always by four and twenty PI. Is a perfect
at home snack for watching the NRL Grand Final for
twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
My name is Tin.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I saw a Monday OWI and joined in the commentary
position as it was last night, but the podcast position
as it is this morning, ed and for newer Keazy.
Now a question I wanted to ask you, as a
man who starts work in the afternoon, and I presume
you have a cursory alarm that sets that wakes you
up before your missus goes to work and then you
(00:40):
go straight back to sleep. What time did you actually
get out of bed this morning after watching the Grand Final?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Well, we'll start with you. What time did you get
out of it? I took a sleep in this morning.
I got out of a bit of eight eight. Yeah,
I was nine thirty.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah the fuck it was good to Oh my god.
And I feel like most people would have been like,
if you could, you would have taken Yeah. We got
a lot of tech last night, people saying that they
were going to take the day off right. There was
a Gohader's birthday. I hate his isit though? It was
his birthday on Sunday and he's like, I'm going to trend.
I'm going to Monday as my birthday. Take that day off.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Like, to be honest, my alarm goes off every day
at seven thirty, which when I was first working and
starting late working for Sky, I got into a real
hole where you just stay up till one am every
night and then wake up and get out of bed
at like ten. Yeah, you're back on UNI hours, that's right.
And I'm like, I'm in my thirties now, man, So
seven thirty every day, my wife goes to work and
I don't feel like a massive piece of I don't
do anything. No For the first like two hours, I'm
(01:34):
a piece of shit. But yesterday was really nice that
I could just sleep and in fact, I even stopped
got some fast food on the way home. Watched the
video on YouTube. Yeah, oh, well, you know I live
around the corner from particular fast food chain. Yeah, every
few of them, a few of them, but there's one
that's literally like what four hundred meters from my house.
It's actually harder to not go through there, that's right.
(01:55):
And the lights weren't playing ball, so I just carried
on straight, turned into there and ended up eating that
in front of the TV. It was delicious. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
And that was of course the out just around the
court of your house and drive through four and twenty piles.
The Grand Final last night, fourteen points to six in
the end.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, And as we predicted, it wasn't going to be
a high scoring A fair and I two of the
best defenses in the in the league. Yeah, it was
always going to be stingy a. I was talking to
Lane this morning about it. He's like, Oh, you could
have let me know beforehand. I had all these bits
on it being over X amount of points. Who did
you talk to? Well, hang on, you could have let
me know. Why are you putting bits on something if
you have no idea? I know what? And why didn't
(02:32):
you ask me beforehand? Yeah? He had. He had like
nine different bets that involved multiple tri scores, not in
the screen final.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
I have not talked to anyone this morning, and I've
talked to a lot of degenerates today. I have not
talked to a single person who hit a bit last night.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
No, absolutely, I almost did. Shit, I almost did when
I just said, will Warwick to score and my multi
to come in. But it's just no one. No one
had anything. If it was another one of those scrand
finals where you've got the Panthers and then in a
team a sort of middling like if the Sharks or
someone had got through, Yeah, that's when you'd be getting
a lot of any times. But against Melbourne, it's not happening. No.
(03:07):
And like I said before, we all predicted it was
going to be stingy on defense, and I felt like
both teams were quite tense when they were Yeah, particularly
the Panthers I thought were I was talking about it
at nauseum on the commentary last night, but I was
like their fifth tackle options were just chaotic. Yeah, there
was a phase, especially in the first half, where they
(03:30):
kept sort of they pass it out wide and then
Luay or someone would pass it back infield against the
grand play and then all of a sudden, Mitch Kenny's
got the ball or Isaiah Yo. It's just like, oh shit, okay, Yeah,
that was quite unpredictable. James Fisher Harris looked out to
the wing and his eyes lit up, and I think
you've had in a Panther's jersey was like no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
He thought about it. Isaiah Yo had to think about
(03:51):
it as well. Yeah, there were a lot of Fords
getting the ball and having it, like even for the
stormlic cart with that weird little chip kick that went out. Yeah,
so a lot of guys were definitely was not the
plans that Ivan Clear and Bellamy had put in place?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Or are they both so good that they shut down
what each other was trying to do?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
So okay, this is how good they are as coaches.
They're now getting benefit of the doubtful like bad things
that happened. Yeah, well no, I'm saying like defensively, both
teams were so excellent defensively. Maybe okay, maybe why the
Panthers looked so frantic on the fifth tackle was because
Melbourne Storm coming. He knew exactly what they were trying
to do. He's like, let's just shut it down. I've
got to say I didn't. I didn't actually see who
(04:30):
ended up giving the Clive Churchill was it Liam Martin?
Was Liam Martin? Well scored a try stole the ball
clean off. Xavier coach could have scored himself again, Yeah,
freaked out and pasted it, but it ended up being
a Paul Alamodi try in the corner, even though he
was very unhealthy and his shoulder was knaked shit. Nathan
Clear was just any everything his running game, he was.
He's such a good player.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
There is a chance that we're watching one of the
greatest players of all time. There's a chance we're watching
the greatest rugby league player of all time. That's it's
all said and done. It's going to be very hard
to argue against. And I would actually say that now
that they've hit this four.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Peat, and in fact, I probably would have said this
last year. I reckon and I'm not a great historian
of the game, but I'm willing to go on wax
and say this the other greatest rugby league team of
all time, this Penwrith Panthers dynasty. So what are the teams? Then?
This is where we need Ben Hurley and Die Henwood.
What are the teams that would you know, well, the
(05:25):
one that sticks out.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
So this is the third team in history to win
four straight premierships, and the first since Saint George, who
won eleven in a row from nineteen fifty six to
nineteen sixty six.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I'm going to go ahead and say that's the greatest NL. Yeah,
but eleven man, would you say, who do you think
is the greatest basketball player of all time? Blake Griffin? Okay,
and so he's won how many titles? No? Now, because
he was my favorite player for a long time, I'd
say the best basketball player of all time is probably
Lebron James. Yeah, and so he's won four or five? Yeah, four,
(06:01):
He's been there and thereabouts a lot.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
If you want to say Michael Jordan's the best for
bust same player of all time, he won six, Yeah,
that's right. Bill Russell won eleven championships, but nobody considers
him to be the greatest of all time.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
And when you think about it, too, basketball's five players
on the team, so he's a pretty light pevotal role.
He's not one of thirteen. He's twenty percent of the thing.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
So all I'm saying is eleven in a row back
in nineteen fifty. I just don't think it really. No
one can remember that team done lately. Yeah, that's that's
all right, But also it just I don't know, there's
just something about this team. If you want to say
that that st George side that won eleven in a
row is the greatest NFL team or Rugby league team
(06:43):
of all time. Then you've also got to say that
Bill Russell is the greatest basketball player of all time.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Well, the difference is eleven in a row that Bill
Russell did the exact same thing. No, no, no, compared to
four in a row, That is a huge gap. That's
not Lebron with his four or whatever. It is compared
to Michael Jordan's six. No, but it's Lebron compared to
Bill Russell. It's literally the same number. Okay, I'm gonna
have to do some more research into this, Saint George.
I want to know how many people will play, how
(07:08):
many teams there were, Zach Lomax aren't still firing? Was
there a party at Paul Vaughan's, That's right. I wanted
to know all this sort of stuff. Was there a
was Corey Norman hiding underneath the bed? These are the
things we need to know about that team from the
fifties through to the If anyone listening that was sort
of old enough to have witnessed that, so you know,
(07:28):
maybe eighteen onwards, Yeah, it's listening right now, So you
probably what almost ninety at least, ye send us a
talk back on the iHeartRadio ninety years old, get your
nurse to fire one through for you, Yeah, and joining
the discussion. Yeah, I don't know. I just think it's
it's definitely a discussion now. And I know it's always.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Weird when we when we're watching them play, Like the
same thing's happening with Lebron where it's like, how can
you say that he's the best? It's hard to say
when you're watching him. I you know, like I said,
I was a kid when Joey John's was doing his
thing but for all his purposes, a lot of people
saying he was one of the greatest of all time.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
It is hard to And also that's sixty years ago
almost that they won their last one. That is just
such half a century. Yeah, it's a different game, man,
it is.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
It's like when you go back and watch Pine Tree
Meads videos, Broddertallic would snap Pine Tree Meads and half.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah, And if you put the Panthers out against that
original team, they would abou destroy them one hundred percent.
But I just think it's it's tough.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
It's the same thing that's happening not to use another
basketball analogy, but when the Golden State Warriors were dusting
everyone and people were starting to get a little bit
bored of it. Now we look back on it and
we're like, that was greatness and we got to witness it.
I think that's how we look back on this Penrith
Panthers team.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
That's how you know it was greatness because it was
just suffocating the life out of everyone with how great
it was.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
And casual fans were like, oh god, these guys again. Yeah,
my missus one of the storm to win just because
she's sick of the Panthers.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
That's good. That's how good they've been. Yeah, and she's
not exactly like a you know, an into it legey. Yeah,
she just is sick of hearing about the Panthers being good.
That's right. Ah. What do you think the Panthers moving forward? Obviously, Leuile,
there's quite a lot of players leaving sort of. James
Fisher Harris is leaving as well.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Would it surprise you to know that the Panthers four
dollars twenty five favorites to win it again next year?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
No, it doesn't, because every single person they bring through
it doesn't matter who is leaving. You know, Stephen Crichton left,
Matt burdenle It just does not matter. Viliami Keku left
and that left side was the most dominant side in
the NRL last season and now it's not. It doesn't matter.
They still won't up cottas Ou left. So like if
you put those are some top level players, it has
(09:35):
not made a difference. They've still got Cleary, They've still
got Yo. I think it's a massive part of this
and probably one of the underrated members of that team.
Well they lost Lynn you as well, yes, so, but
now they've got all these other follows coming off the
bench that have just slotted into these roles. You've got
Schneider in the haves, who seems pretty sound. Ye looks
like he rode for Germany at the Olympics. I saw
(09:57):
him on the sideline For some reason, I just had
never seen what night to look like. I don't know why.
Up close did he wear headgear? Yeah, and so seeing
this like Nazi Hitler youth guy on the sideline, the Schnyder. Yeah.
But I to be honest, five in a row, I
think it will happen.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I mean, James Fisher, Harris, you know he's a big loss, Louis.
I wonder about whether the team may get better for
not having I.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Think we like to think that because he's a prick. Yeah,
I bet, I bet it'll be worse without him.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I couldn't watch all of the celebrations that he was doing.
There was a photo that was doing the rounds and
it's him leaning up against the goalposts with all his
like his medal around his neck and blah blah blah,
and the caption was, what do you think is going
through his head right now? I was like, I guarantee
what's going through his head right now? Is I bet
I look sick.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Sitting every celebration, he had to just be right there,
front and center in the middle of it, as if
it was his celebration and he was sort of ring
leading it for everyone else his birthday party and you're
all just invited. That's exactly what it was like. Well,
at least he's not going to have that at the
Tigers unless, and this is going to be really annoying,
he really spearheads a turnaround and is like an all
(11:08):
time great After that, all's forgiven at that point. But
then we would have to just be like, Okay, he's
a deck but he's pretty damn good. Yeah, I don't
think that's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I'm not there now, despite the fact that he's just one.
For the last four years, if he's walked onto a
rugby league pitch to play in a competition, he's won it.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Unless it's in New South Wales. Is probably the only hookut. Yeah,
and you know, but everything else good as goal. I
think did he play for some more as well? Eighty
thou attendance as well?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
And that's the stadium of course, stadium there that they've
been having a lot of issues with this year where
they've been. They've booked a lot of games there, but
no one, no one's turning up.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, and it's just a I forget what the term
is when it's just like it sucks the life out
so massive. I know, it's one of those stadiums that
it's no I feel like it's no one's true home ground.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
No one feels an affinity to it. So it's like,
I don't know. But but when it is full, it
looks ridiculous. I mean it looks like a toilet bowl. Yeah,
it's Hessen.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
From from the top angle there. It looks like it,
but eighty thousand people in the air. Well, it's like
playing at Wimbley or something. Right, It's just it's the
big dog of Australian stadiums. You haven't you're the right
for these two teams to be there. It's just packed out.
This fireworks the Kidler Roy is playing. Yeah, there's plenty
of as we're saying on the commentary last night, now
that's what I call white people music. Volume one was
(12:23):
in full blast, which was great. Oh my god. So
they had Sweet Caroline it was the first one. Yeah,
they had. The next one was take Me Home Country, right,
Home Country Roads. The Gambler came on after me saying
I wonder if the Gambler will be on there. Sure enough,
the very next one, the Gambler. It was out of control. Yeah,
there are hits. It's a universal thing. There are hits
that people just fucking love. Oh. Absolutely, we're at Oktoberfish.
(12:45):
That's exactly all of the songs they played in the
English speaking tents. Just play that shit. Oh man, it's
like they were just dancing Queen One, dancing Queen away
from just you know, playing the full album back to back. Yeah,
just call of an atmosphere that looks so great, bringing
the place to its knees. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Another thing I thought funny that was funny on social
media this morning was almost every outlet posted a picture
of the kid l Roy and said, how do we
rate that performance?
Speaker 1 (13:11):
What do we think of that performance? I felt like
they were trying to bait. Yeah. Absolutely, they were introversial opinion.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah, and all of the top comments are always were
always like great, love him, he's Aussie, he's a league fan,
a brilliant because I think for the longest time, the
NRL has been stuck in this like eighties promo thing.
They play old rock bands and they you know, and
and that kind of music. They promote it like it's Bathurst.
It's like this year, do we go Cold Chizzel again
(13:37):
or wolf Mother?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
But it's like what percentage of the league now is
of Polynesian descent.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
They don't. They're not listening to the Cold Chizelna Unfortunately,
they're missing out. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
And because and because the you know, it's growing, so
the audience is getting younger and younger. They don't associate
the league with old rock bands anymore.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
No, And so what they did. There was but the kid.
And to be honest, the kid LaRoy is almost I
don't I'm not across as too young for me as well.
Yeah yeah, all of that. We're fitting into the older
fellers category now. And so you had the kid l
Royce and all the sons and the daughters of league
fans were entertained and then boom, Sweet Caroline comes on
for us old bases. You know, everyone's happy, So just
(14:21):
get like a nice common ground there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
And I think the other thing about the pregame entertainment
is it always looks shit. When you're playing on a
rugby league field, which is enormous. You can't see the
guys down there on the track. It always looks shit,
it does. It don't really matter who it is. Man
Embone's six sixty did the Aedton Park No the Grand Final?
Oh my god? And they got shit on. I hated
(14:45):
it works because it's supposed to be this big hype up.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
For the game. They're like, don't forget your roots. It's like,
the fuck are these guys.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
The game wasn't without its controversy, though, I think one
of the biggest ones was I mean, I mean, it's
the biggest cont controversy from the game, the Jack hewth
try no try in the fiftieth minute when we watched
it live and they showed that first replay on the TV,
you could see the ball touch the ground.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
But have you seen the other replay angles that round?
I have, Yeah, so I don't think that cancels out
the first one though. I think the mistake they made
was obviously in the bunker they've got because I've been
in control rooms before. The one at Sky there's fifteen
camera angles, yeah, and they've only allocated three and a
shot of the referee to be the ones on screen,
(15:38):
so they're looking at more than just the ones we're
looking at. But in order to avoid controversy, controversy, controversy,
they need to flash that one up, you know. They
need to put that one up first and get everyone
on the same page. And they'd be like, it's no try, Yeah,
that's right. And the other thing is if you're going
to have a bunker then and we stopped the game,
(16:00):
then let's go through the whole process. I don't think
anyone's too worried. If it takes like three minutes.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
They've split it right up. Having that I know, and
that's what it felt like it was last night. It
was like they showed us that one on TV. They
watched however many others they did, and then they were like, no, no,
it's not a try. I do feel like the NRL
has done a great job today of plastering that video
that we've seen everywhere, because I've heard that they took
all the media into a room after the game and
(16:26):
showed them that replay.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Great.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
So yeah, but I feel like it's a bit of propaganda.
But I wonder if we can't afford to have this
be the storyline. So what we need to do is
Floody runs social media channels with this other angle that
looks like there's a hand underneath the ball.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Well, it didn't look like it there was a hand
underneath the ball, So then what was that other one
where you could clearly see it hitting the checker of
the lens refraction, So that one's refraction, but the arm
under the ball don't. I don't know. All I know
is that Jack Howith almost lost them that game by
not scoring the try. He went in in a real
non try score of fashion. He's pretty young and inexperienced fella. Yeah,
(17:05):
and like just get the ball on the ground. He
did it weird, it was like and it was just
the wrong way to score a try. And if he
had scored that, Melbourne would have been slightly hid. They
would have drawn a level yeah, yeah, and then had
a kick. Well that's the thing, and then you know,
the Panthers second try through Liam Martin was a total
like just freak him stealing the ball of Xavier Coats
like that is something that's just I just feel like
(17:28):
it would have been a completely different result. Yes, if
he had just scored the try, like it was not
a hard one to score, yeah, and he went incorrectly.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, I do, in my heart of hearts, believe he
scored that. I know that there's that other angle going
around as well, but I just can't I can't get
that first angle out that we saw on the game.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
I can't get that out of my head. But the
first angle, though, it wasn't conclusive. I was looking at
it going like far, that looks like it was a try,
but I'm not like, oh, that definitely was a try, yeah,
whereas the angle going around was oh no, that clearly
was held up.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, But there was all so like multiple points where
he was held up, you know what I mean, Like
he initially got it down then was held up again. Look,
it's all very confusing. I don't think that's why they
lost the game.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
But I did enjoy watching another team get dutted by
the bunker, and it was Melbourne. It's usually the other
way around, Yeah, so I don't really care. Suck on that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
The other one that while we're talking about replays, the
Pappenhausen kick out on the full.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Oh yes, with the Sirrenson catching it.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
So Sorenson Pappy sliced this kick off the team, There's
no two ways about it. And it was curving towards
the sideline and Sorenson did the old foot and touch
catch thing. When you watch the replay very slowly his.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Foot was off the ground, yes, and he caught it
right foot was touching in play and then his left
foot went out, which is him taking it out. It was.
It was so very quick. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
But again, if we're going to have the bunker, you
might as well sit there and go through it and
go letter of the law. Now, as we always talk
about on this podcast, the NRL adjudicated on Vibe and
the vibe was Pappy's kicked that out on the full.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
One hundred percent and Sorenson he's a backgroun. I felt
that there's a bit of leeway for that as well.
The forward has caught it and pulled off this great move.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I just think if that was the NFL, that would
have been called that he take he had taken it.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
In the NFL, that's so many more stoppages and fucking around,
whereas in the NL they wanted to keep it moving.
I wonder, can you challenge that because they probably if
they had challenged it, they probably would have been successful.
But who's going to challenge that after an absolute shocking kick. Yeah,
so maybe they could have actually tended around, But well
that's what the challenge is for, right, Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
It's still there was a challenge. We saw another challenge
in the first twenty minutes. I think it was an
Alamodi maybe he had challenged right.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
It was like a kick catch knock on sort of situation,
and they got away with it because it was inconclusive,
so they retained their challenge. But I have been saying, oh,
year and obviously great ones and Maya deciding these things.
I would not burn a challenge in the first sixty
minutes of any NRL game, Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
You need that.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
When it comes down to it, you're going to need
that challenge. I just would have a blanket roll and
be like, guys, I'm sorry as the coach. Look, you
might You're probably right. You might be right. We'll check
it on Monday, we'll check the footage. You probably would
have been right. We're not fucking burning it.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
So I guess Ivan Cleary has full trust in Yo
is the captain, right, Yeah, full trust in him. But
I was really surprised that the Panthers did that because
that's not something the Panthers will do. That's something the
Warriors will do. And I don't know if you can
remember a couple of years ago though, talking about medically
retiring Isao for a string of concussions. You think it's
(20:36):
going back to bite him. Now, well, I mean he
got away with that one. But yeah, just as a rule,
I would love, you know, for the Warriors, the team
that I support that I love watching, I fucking hate
seeing even when it's clear as day. Yeah, you know,
just cop it.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
In that first particularly in the first half. Yeah, and
I would say, right, up until that fourth quarter. Don't
bother burning it because you just don't know what you're
going to need to.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
The other thing is the challenge has way more value
at the end of the game because how many times
have we seen a team use their challenge just to
use it to have a.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Rest as well, have a breather when you hold on
defense or something. Panthers actually did it just last night.
And at the end of that game.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
The Panthers turned away five consecutive That was crazy sets
from the Melbourne Storm. And I think, yeah, and I
think if they're going to, you know, take any pride,
well not take any pride, but the thing they should
take the most pride in from this game is that.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
The way they held them out because there were a
few moments in the game where Melbourne started to throw
the ball around a bit and you know, found space
through the middle. Harry Grant, to be honest, he had
a great game, but he wasn't sort of breaking things
open through the middle as much as they needed him
too in order to you know, ask questions. But it
was that five straight Melbourne set where they just couldn't
get anything happening. I think quite a few of those
(21:49):
sets were finishing with sort of the ball and a
back rower's hands or something, so there was a couple
of those in there, but still the Panthers were on
their own line, pinned down for a good five minutes
or something, and it just they just waited it out,
waited it out the way they've been doing for the
past four years, and then just wait for the other
team to make a mistake, boom their ball, go down
the other end of the field and usually score a try. Yeah,
(22:10):
they actually scored twice that way. That was just very
Panthers and it's super demoralizing too, because like Melbourne came
out firing, man. Yeah, in the opening fifteen I was like, shit,
Melbourn's gonna win this. The Panthers were like, you know,
sort of just making the tackles and blah blah blahlah blah.
But they were making them. And then after a while
Melbourn started to run out of gas and the Panthers,
just after weathering twenty minutes of punishment, had scored a
(22:33):
try within five minutes of their own punishment, which is demoralizing,
hugely demoralizing.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
So and then that boyed them to take on those
five repeat sets. I thought Hughes looked injured.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
He wasn't right. Well, I like to think he wasn't
right either that or as the Pantsman was calling, he
massively choked or was an isaac I can't remember. Uh oh, yeah,
I don't think it was a choke.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
You could see him limping around. He we mentioned in
commentary last night, we really hadn't seen it name. No,
for most of the game, it was just kicking and yeah,
Munster seemed to have It was almost like Hughes was
a bit injured, and so Monster was like, shit, I've
been injured in a bit rough all season, but I'm
going to have to get the ball and try to
be the one to spark things. Because he was trying
(23:15):
and he was failing, Like he dropped the ball cold
and made quite a few mistakes. Yeah, he was trying
really hard to.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Be that guy. Yeah, one hundred percents. Hughes was sitting
in the pocket, yeah, and just went missing for a
large part of that game. I think we will find
out that he's quite injured. By the time you listen
to this podcast, you'll probably know. Worrying thing about that
is now we go into the international window, the kiwis
he's our half back. Even before the Stacy Jones last
week had rung Seawan Johnson and said, look, hopefully it
(23:42):
doesn't happen, but if Hughes gets injured, would you be free?
And he said I'll get back to you, and then
he got back to him and said no, and so well,
I don't think this close to your retirement, like he's
been retired for just over a month. Yeah, you know
what I mean, Like you come to talk to me
after a month of retiring, I'm going to tell you,
you know, piss off, basic mate, Tell you come talk
to me the day after I've done a podcast. It
(24:04):
asked me to do another podcast. Well fuck that. But
apparently the Achilles was still was still playing. Well that's
the reason why he's called it quartz. But who's our
halfback then for the Killies? Nikoima? Yeah is it? I
don't know, Kieren Forn get another run? I don't know.
(24:25):
I reckon to Mighty Martin's probably to Mighty Martin, ye
man standing and then we'll find out he played for
Queensland at some point. And now we can't well let's
not let's not react too quickly to Jerome Hughes having
an off game because he might have just had a niggle.
So still got a few weeks, so hopefully we don't
have to worry about that Munster. Did he bite him
or not? Yeah, he definitely bet him. Yeah, we talked
(24:47):
about it last night.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
It looked like when you're biting into a piece of chicken,
a piece of KFC, and then you pull it.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
There's a little bit of tension.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
There before the things, and that's exactly what happened there,
that's right.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
And to be fear, Alamotti's forearm was right pushing and
squeezing right up against his mouth, so he almost forced
his arm into the air, and then Munster just bit
down and then as Alamotti pulled it away, it obviously
hurt Monster's teeth away because he's, oh, what the hell,
essentially giving away the fact that yes, he was biting him. Yeah,
so he's on report. Should you be allowed to bite
(25:19):
a man's arm if he puts it in your mouth? Well,
I think it's you say the NRL's left on vibe.
I think the vibe of that was it's sort of
a mutual situation, you know. It wasn't him going out
of his way to bite someone was in his mouth. Yeah. Well,
I was talking about this with Lane this morning on
the Gender Podcast and I was like, well, so if
(25:42):
your if your face is in front of my fist
and then allowed to punch you, is how that works?
And he was like, well, yeah, if you're just.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Standing there throwing punches in midfield and someone walks into
the way of one of those punches.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
That's right, it is. They knew it was that. Yees.
So I think he'll get off it. I think he has.
I think I saw this morning. They've already cleared it.
The NRL don't want that being a storyline. Yeah. I
was praying that he'd get like a four game suspension
and we'd play the Melbourne Storm in the first It's
not how it works, man. We'll get him on week
five if that's the case.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Twenty six dollars for the Warriors to win next year,
by the way, we're about middle of the field, good odds. Yeah,
I mean, if you think we're gonna if you think
next year is our.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Year, do we have twenty six bucks? Do we have
a tob hunch bonus bet or anything we just chucked
out right now? We don't. They've gotten onto us that
we've got no more NRL to punch. Ah bugger, Well
are you thinking little futures bit just a little like
do you remember this time last year we put that
hundred bucks on man? That was genius? Yeah. I mean
I have not a lot of faith as of yet
(26:46):
that that's going to come in. I need the stink
of this season to settle. Yeah, and I need to
see some pre season and some big signings and stuff
to get me fizzed up again. Yeah, one hundred percent,
just to get us onto that twenty six dollars. The
Storm actually tied with Panthers for the shortest odds next
year Ford dollers twenty five. Do you subscribe to the
theory that after you lose a Grand Final to the
penwith Panthers, your team goes to shit? I traditionally do.
(27:09):
But I think it was more that the teams like
Broncos for example, who Yeah, they went to shit eels, Yeah,
Rabbit O's rabbit Os. I think that was more a
factor of those teams just happened to get everything right
so that they could get to the final just with
everything they had, and then it didn't work, and then
it all crumbled away. I don't think that's the Melbourne Storm.
(27:31):
The melbourn Storm have been guns for so long. Yeah,
that's right, So I don't think it will be about
those other teams. Yes, absolutely, because who are the Melbourne
Storm losing this year? No one, really, no one. And
that it was after that last Grand Final they won
against the Panthers, that's right, that's when they lost everyone.
They lost the Broniz brothers, that's right. So they had
to rebuilding and yeah, completely redesigned things. And also they've
(27:52):
had a horror run with injuries to their key players
like Papenalzen and stuff. So I think Melbourne will probably
be in the conversation next season. They'll probably be second
on the table by the end of the season or something.
You know, overall scores on the game, how did you
find that game was to watch as far as the
Grand Final goes, But for me, we were treated last year.
(28:14):
Last year's Grand Final was arguably.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yes, it was great, one of the greatest of all time,
one of I'd probably put it second in my living
memory behind the Jonathan Thurston of course.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah one twenty fifteen is it? Yeah, that was the
Ben Hunt drop ball gold point. It was a lot. Yeah,
there was a lot going and rewatched that one. There's
a lot going on in that game.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah, And I think the Benji Marshallow five flick Parcel
always absolutely living our memories and obviously any Grand Final
that we played in, although we got humped by the Eels,
and yeah, I think this one, if I had to
give it a rating out of ten, probably like a
six or five.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah, like two teams I don't like. Yeah, playing some
pretty shaky ball to begin with, and then it was
low scoring. Yeah, lou I won four in a row.
I think it's a five. Yeah, Yeah, I think it's
about a five for me as well. It wasn't enough drama, nah,
Like it wasn't like a good State of Origin Game
(29:19):
three matchup where it's all on and it's high intensity
and stuff. It's just it wasn't this year. Yeah, And
to be fair, the whole final series has been pretty average. Yeah,
after what's been a great season. Yeah, it's almost like
usually the season most pretty predictable and then the final
series is where the interesting stuff happens. That was not
the case this yet. It was the other way around. No,
it was a very interesting regular season, although very disappointing
(29:41):
for the Warriors and then yeah, disappointing of postseason. Yeah,
so I'm gonna give it five out of ten. What
about you? Yeah, I'm exactly the same.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
This is no different to me than the rabbit oz
one than the Eels one.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yeah. Obviously last year was tremendous. So yeah, I was
about a five as far as Green Final, like if
that was a regular season game, you know, just a
good match. Yeah, there's a great, great game of rugby league.
But yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I thoroughly enjoyed doing the commentary. The texts we got
last night were absolutely hilarious. Thank you to everyone that
texts it in a lot of people on a boat
off the coast of Samore. Someone even managed to get
a text through from their page and be route right.
Someone ticks someone was watching from a trench in Ukraine,
and another person about seventy five meters below the peak
(30:29):
the summit of Everest.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
It's just rugby league bringing people together, you know, that'scc
it's all we're all about and speaking to, bringing people together.
We need to at some point this week or the
next get all of us from the Mad Monday crew
in the same room to record a podcast.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
We'll get die in here. He's still over in Australia,
by the way. He was at the at the final
Hurley's Away as well, So we need to get all
of us to sit down and have a good old
fashioned debrief for it.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
We're not going to say when that's going to happen,
but hopefully it happens at some point soon.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Hopefully it happens this week, but we'll see how we go.
Otherwise we'll not this thing on the head. Thank you
very much for joining us today and indeed throughout the season,
and thank you as always to four and twenty pies.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
We will see you guys later on in Australia without
rugby league, He's not Australia.
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