Full Show Podcast: 01 April 2025

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(00:37):
and loving it, and particularly today's show was super interesting.
The revelations we got into black market topacco in New
Zealand I found riveting.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
The chat about purpose that we pivoted to at the
end of the show lovely. I found it uplifting, but
also a massively jarring pivot from just people that are
massively addicted to SIGs and people selling buying dodgy siggs
to just you know, becoming a better person and having
something to follow in life.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
It was not a nice way to finish, but you'll
know it when you hear him. His name is John
and he tells all about the black market see.

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Speaker 4 (01:54):
Well, good afternoon to you. Welcome into the show. Tuesday seven,
pass one. Hope you're feeling good on this Tuesday afternoon.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Get a mate, get a Tyler, gide everyone. Of course,
it's April, the first April full statues. Anyone do April
Fool's Day? Japes anymore?

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Japes?

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Japes is a great way people have been saying to
me that jape doesn't exist. I've been using the word japes,
and I get texts on nine two, nine and two
saying that that's no words. Jape is clearly a word.
Jape means practical joke.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
Chrigan, is this just a Heath Family special? That this
is just enclosed and the members of your family.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
I've never heard jape. You've never heard jake. You've japed me?

Speaker 4 (02:28):
No, haven't you heard like your josh in that means
like you're joking, jake head jape.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
A jolly jape? Yea, Well, no one played any jolly
japes on me today. It's disappointing, but it's not after
It's after twelve now, so it's too late for jolly japes.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
And if you've heard about jape before nine two nine two,
he needs some support here.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
I'm one hundred percent sure jape is a word, right, Okay,
I'm gonna look at that.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
Okay, We're gonna findsentary and find it jape jape Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
According to Wikipedia, jape is a cinnamon for a practical joke.
I'm right, Okay, Well we got I thought I was
going crazy, like I had walked into a simulation and
or gone into another dimension and one will is gone missay. Yeah,
it's like that movie Yesterday where all the Beatles words,
songs have disappeared, but everything else was the same. I
felt like I'd done that. No, jape is a word.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
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Newstalk ZB dot co dot NZ. That is coming up.
But on to the rest of the show. After three o'clock,

(04:34):
we want to have a chat about purpose on the
back of an interview that Mike did this morning.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, that's right. He was talking to explosive Joseph Parker
and it was a fantastic interview actually, and you know,
Mike Costkin using all twenty five years of his broadcasting
experience at z B and Joseph was in a really,
really good place and he talked about purpose and how
he has a purpose in his life and as a result,

(05:00):
everything else follows from that. And it got me thinking
about purpose because more and more we're hearing if you've
got a purpose than everything else. If you've got a
hy the house falls into place, as they say, But
what is a purpose? What are purposes? And what is
your purpose in life? We just want to talk about
it and how do you find your purpose? If if
there's a young person coming through, how do you find

(05:21):
your purpose? Some of us hit forty and we still
haven't found our purpose in life. Until you do. Things
are difficult.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
Yep, one hundred percent. That's going to be a great shed.
After three o'clock, After two o'clock has tobacco tax hit
its limit? Sorry, now you continue, Tyler, Well, I mean
we all know that the tax on tobacco will go
up again. It is the April April the first where
a lot of those changes happen. But as it stands
at the moment, a pack of twenty five siggis now

(05:48):
costs just under fifty bucks, but the tax can make
up eighty percent of that cost.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, and when you consider that in Cambodia and Vietnam,
cigarettes costs less than three dollars a pack. So essentially
the amount of people smoking his plateau, but the amount
of tax is coming in. So it suggests the amount
of tax that's coming in is lowering so that more
and more people are going to the black market. Some
people have said that maybe twenty five percent of all

(06:13):
the cigarettes smoked in New Zealand might be black market cigarettes.
That's massive. Yeah, So I want to hear about this
black market. And look, give us a ring of eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty, and you don't give us
your name, yep, but we want to hear where you're
getting these black mants. Don't give us your name or
where you're getting it. But your name talk us through

(06:34):
the process of how people are getting these black market cigarettes.
Also like to hear from people that are holding on
to smoking. When it's fifty dollars a pack, who's keeping
going fifty bucks for twenty five cigarettes?

Speaker 6 (06:47):
Boy?

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Boy, when I used to smoke, you would ask for
a cigarette and people would share them round. You know,
you'd bummer seat climb a dozen easy as they weren't
two bucks each at that point. Oh, it's a rich
man's sport now, that's for sure. But right now, speaking
of what some perceive as a rich man's sport, Auckland's
America's cup bed is over as Team New Zealand confirmed
the funds are not available, so after conversations were underway

(07:10):
about bringing the competition for the Old Mugat back home
last month, Auckland will not be moving forward as a
potential host, with Emerates Team New Zealand noting a lack
of funding made available by the government. It was understood
that Team New Zealand we're looking for about one hundred
and fifty million, with half of that ideally coming from
private backers. Yeah, as Wayne Brown said, it's just too

(07:30):
much money at the moment. We've got other areas that
we need to invest seventy five million in. So hang
on a minute. That might have been Chris Luxon that
said that, I'm just going to have a look at
this article. We'll get to the one of who said that. Yeah,
but the upshot is that one hundred and fifty million
dollars is not coming, so they're looking at Greece and
Italy to do it. Do you care. Have we moved
on from the America's Cup? I mean I just accepted

(07:51):
it wasn't coming back. You know, when they chose twenty
twenty one was fantastic. What an incredible experience that was.
Bought the city together and the country together in a strange,
strange time. I loved every moment of that, you know,
you know the and especially you know, the final races.
But when they didn't come back, then I thought it

(08:13):
was just all over. And you know, now I've got
sale GP so who gets yeah, who gires?

Speaker 4 (08:18):
I mean when I read this this morning, I was
a little bit gutted, but not as guarded as I
would have been in previous years when we didn't get
it across the line. And to your question, whether it's
time to just say see you later. It's never coming back,
and let's forget about how we feel about the America's Cup. Yeah,
part of me agrees with that, but also I think
maybe we're just a little bit too ambitious. We're thinking

(08:39):
that we can hold events of this magnitude.

Speaker 7 (08:42):
Now.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah, well, if you try and spend one hundred and
seventy five million of government money on an America's Cup,
people say it's a rich person sport. What about the
need in hospital? Because whatever anyone tries to spend any
money in our government money, people say, what about the
Dunedin Hospital. But you know, the counter argument to that
is allegedly Barcelona, Barcelona made two billion dollars off the

(09:07):
America's Cup. Two billion dollars was generated from the America's
Cup in Barcelona. Yeah, so you know, one hundred and
fifty million dollars if you get two billion dollars back,
as you know, a decent equation.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
Yeah, oh, eight hundred eighty ten Eighty'd love to hear
from you on this. Are you gutted that America's Cup
will not be held in Auckland for the next the
thirty seven thirty eighth rather addition, or is it time
for us as a as a nation collectively to say
see you later. It's never coming back. We're moving on
for the America's Cup and we don't care.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
This text that says jape's is an imported word used
by fools and pretentious people trying to show they are
above us. Plubs. Well done you from Bob, Really so Bob.
If you think jape is an impressive word, I mean
I got it from Viz magazine. Anyone remember Visit magazine.
That's not that boogie as it bust to gonad and
it is unfeasibly large, definitely a word in the Oxford

(09:59):
Dictionary meaning practical joke to you.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
If it's in the Oxford Dictionary, it's legit. Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. How do you feel about the
America's Cup not coming back to New Zealand? Love to
hear from u on O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
It is a quarter past one.

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Speaker 4 (10:28):
Good Afternoon. It is eighteen past one. Are you gunted
that the next America's Cup will not be coming back
to New Zealand. It is after confirming conversations were underway
about bringing the competition for the Old Mug back home
last month, Auckland will not be moving forward as a
potential host, with Emirates Team New Zealand noting a lack
of funding made available specifically by the governments.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
And I was right when it was when I said
Wayne Brown said we would love to have hosts of
the America's Cup at home. I think we are all
extremely proud of the carpet's history of what it means
to us as the country. But just the harsh reality
is it was just too much money at the moment.
We've got seventy five million dollars from the government and
seventy five million dollars from Auckland City was needed, and
that is a lot of money. But you know, as
I said before, people claim that in Barcelona the two

(11:13):
billion dollars was generated, so that would be a good
return on one hundred and fifty million dollars. I mean,
it's very different down here at the other end of
the world, though, wasn't it I suspect, and look, I
feel this way as well. I'm not you know, I
haven't fully formed why I feel this way, but I
think it's in the response and also the fact that
they did it in Barcelona last time instead of Auckland.

(11:33):
I suspect there's this text that to New Zealand really
doesn't want to be in Auckland. Too much money available
elsewhere and New Zealand is too far away. I get
that feeling as well. Yeah, yeah, but do you care?
I waite undred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
Well this one, this Texas does care, Craig Matton Tyler,
I say let it go. If it was so successful
money wise, then why has Barcelona said no to hosting
the Cup again? Because of my opinion, the financial returns
aren't as good as made.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Out to be.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
Also, the GP sailing GP racing, it's far more exciting
with close a views and bigger fleet.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
We sh would be investing in that competition. Well that's
what I think.

Speaker 5 (12:11):
I think.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
I agree with you, Craig. I think that the sale
GP is a better product. You've got more boats involved,
you've got more jeopardy. It's it's been totally refocused for
the audience and look, if there was no sale GP,
I might be super guard at the America's Cups are
not coming. But after attending the sale GP, I just
think that is a fantastic event. It cost us a

(12:33):
lot less than one hundred and fifty million dollars to
put on and we get to go down to the
and rack it up and watch the races. Any Anyway,
I know it doesn't bring as much money into the country. Obviously,
it's not there as long and you don't have the
super yuts parking up for months and you don't have
the team setting up for years. But as from a

(12:56):
spectator's point of view, I say, I say sale GP wins.
I'm with you.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
I went to that race down in Littleton and it
was a phenomenal competition, but it was I want to
read out this quote from to Tacky Auckland Unlimited, and
they said, this situation again illustrates the need for long
term sustainable funding in New Zealand to support major events.
Major events generate significant economic, cultural, and social benefits for
the country, including increased tourism, job creation, and international profile.

(13:22):
We've heard that argument time and time again, and there
is some truth to that. But when it comes to
funding events of this caliber and this size, and as
you say, it's seventy five million bucks from the government,
seventy five million bucks from private backer is that's a
heck of a lot of dough. I just don't think
New Zealand is big enough to be able to hold
these big international events anymore.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
And do you believe the two billion dollar figure. I'm
always suspicious of those figures when they work out how
much it's been generated. Anyway, get Rid of the Cup
says the sex one hundred and fifty million spent in
New Zealand won't bring in two billion. Not enough people
are here or will come here. Waste of time. I mean,
part of the reason why Buffalon didn't want to go
again was just because they've hit peak tourism there and
there were protests because they just have so many people

(14:06):
coming to those Europeans big special European cities, and Barcelona
isn't absolutely do you like I'm saying Barthalona.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
It's beautiful Bathlona said, like the locals Buffalon.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Though Bathlon as such a spectacular city, but they aren't
trying to draw more people to Barthlona. Yeah, they don't
have to worry about people turning up. They have plenty
of people coming to Barthalona exactly.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
And it'll be interesting to see whether Italy or one
of the other countries mentioned are going to be putting
their hands straight up and said we'll take it and
we'll pay whatever you want. I just wonder whether it's
still got that poll in that part of the world.
But love to hear your thoughts on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty do you care? Is a time for us
as a country to say see you later to the
America's cup.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Well this text to disagrees and saying the government leading
the cup go, they talk big on brand and investment
and fall short again. What do you think? Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty, I say, don't you see you? Ladder?

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Speaker 4 (15:49):
Good afternoon, it is twenty five past one and we're
talking about the America's Cup. The bit is over for Auckland.
It is not going to be the host of the
thirty eighth edition of the America's Cup.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Do we care?

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Well, I don't care as much because sal GP is
fantastic and that keeps coming back. It's cheaper. Although this
text of does make a good point, SALGP goes for
one weekend doesn't exactly grip the nation. Pete your thoughts.

Speaker 10 (16:12):
Yeah go No, I think the negative, like we might
not hold up when might not win it next time?
So we've got the opportunity to have it, and at
the end of the day is we've wasted you know
what things happen with COVID and all that mustn't it.
We are short of money to an agree, But what
you said, they had it last time they made two
billion out of mean one was it one's point seven

(16:34):
million invested in something?

Speaker 7 (16:36):
It's could be ten.

Speaker 10 (16:36):
Why not give it a go.

Speaker 11 (16:37):
But if it happens again and we don't make a profit,
then don't do it. We've got an opportunity here. Crystal
Luson says, Oh, we want to make this government, this
country go forward. Why people to come here?

Speaker 7 (16:47):
They're going to stop it?

Speaker 11 (16:48):
I reckon, it's a negative approach.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
So where would you like to see the one hundred
and fifty million dollars come from? Because we're borrowing money
right now as a country to get by. So to
find that, say, let's just go the central government seventy
five million dollars. Where do you think that they should
get grabbed that from?

Speaker 12 (17:10):
Well?

Speaker 11 (17:10):
I think you know, everybody's shorter of money. But we
where's our pride? We have any more pride in this
country anymore? Now we've got the trope? Who we hold
her so challenge it here. A Jimmy might lose it,
so why not challenge it here?

Speaker 13 (17:24):
It could be gone.

Speaker 11 (17:25):
We've got it here, so let's let's be pride and
show this country we have this cup here and we're
going to challenge it down here and all the people
that come here.

Speaker 14 (17:33):
That's going to be worth money.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Like your Look, you're playing to my patriotism and it's
kind of working. You're getting you're getting them. You know,
we we we may not want it again. That's that's
a good point. It might be a very long time
before we ever get to have it back down here.
And maybe that's a good reason. But we're not getting it.
It's not coming in twenty twenty seven. That's been decided now, Pete,
So do you feel like our sal GP is a

(17:56):
worthy replacement?

Speaker 11 (18:01):
Oh yeah, but I still reckon that. You know what's look,
Oh Grant, he said we're going to hold it here.
Seem quite possibly he did here. I think he's been
down to We always knocked him there. He's not for
New Zealer now is he wanted to have it? He's
been bit stepped in the face too. If you're sorry
for around Dalton, I was I was a bit niggas

(18:22):
towards him, but now he wanted. I think it was
quite last week. It's quite happy that he wanted. Think
it's pushing to heaven here he's been he's been beating up,
but now too because Base I said, we don't want
it here so he can't win.

Speaker 15 (18:33):
The poor guy.

Speaker 5 (18:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, I think if you call Pete appreciate it, that is.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
A turnaround for Grant Dalton. I think more and more
people are probably feeling the way that Pete feels that
he was demonized quite a lot. But certainly there's been
a turnaround that Grant Dalton was was right and taking
it off shore initially. Graham, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 6 (18:53):
Yeah? Good things ca okay?

Speaker 16 (18:56):
So well I think it should be.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (18:58):
I mean you've got situation, for example, where the last
government wasted seventy five million on by Richard Cross Auckland
Harbor that went nowhere, and really one hundred and fifty
million for the America's Cup is almost chump change. When
you look at it. You've got major and New Zealand
corporates that are sewed up that are let's say, half

(19:19):
government owned, like the New Zealand which would have came
the huge amount and potential tourism mary coming in. They
could have offered special America's Cup packages offshore buyers. You've got,
obviously the TV networks that operate here like TVNZ and
Sky that are always desperate for international events to give

(19:40):
them television rights and coverage and that kind of thing. Plus,
of course, you know you've got big organizations like Loto.
The people are quite happy to spend millions and millions
and millions of dollars on every every week that at
one stage where partners of the America's Cup teams from
the early days, and there's no reason why places or

(20:02):
you know, organizations like Lotto that are very good at
raising lots of money couldn't be involved. Again in a
dimess the.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Defense, Well, that's an interesting point. But is it the
actual America's Cup that can you know, is it the
government and the Council that can peer back that one
hundred and fifty million dollars from sponsorship or is it
just the teams and the America's Cup itself that can
access the sponsorship from the people you're talking about.

Speaker 16 (20:29):
Yeah, well, I think really both organizations should be able
to I mean, one thing. Just to sort of think
back on Russell Coots started the massive carbon fiber construction
business help at Walkward's for the America's cup industry, and
a lot of those guys ended up going on to

(20:52):
actually help rocket Lands create the rockets that are flying
out in New Zealand and North America these days because
they became experts in carbon fiber development and technology.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah. Yeah, and there's no doubt that you know, our
expertise in your building and in sailing on the world
stage definitely show New Zealand in a good light and
in a way that New Zealand. You know, often people
talk about our agriculture, often, people talk about how to
beautiful we are, but not often that we're at the

(21:25):
cutting edge of tech. So that is absolutely, Graham, a
fantastic thing.

Speaker 16 (21:30):
Yep, one hundred percent agree. And as I said, I
think you know, it's chump change one hundred and fifty million.
It sounds like a lot of money, but really governments
waste that.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
True potentially, Graham, because governments have wasted so much money.
I mean, if the City rail Link hadn't come and
at close to six billion dollars, maybe we'd have a
bit more to splash around for other fun things like
the America's Cup.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
They've done a lot of America's Cups, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (21:56):
But thank you so much for your call, Graham.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Right coming up, we're going to have a
chat to form world class sailor and Team New Zealand
member Mark Orham's about his thoughts, but keen on yours.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. It is twenty nine to two.

Speaker 17 (22:14):
US talk said the headlines We's blue bubble taxis It's
no trouble with a blue bubble. The Minister of Sport
says the harsh reality as a government can't cough up
cash for the America's Cup. With an announcement today Auckland's
bid won't go ahead. The Workplace Relations Minister says she's
fixing unclear laws by removing landowner liability for accidents on

(22:36):
their land and changes to health and safety rules. A
thirty eight year old wanted man on the run has
been caught in Auckland after overtaking traffic, running red lights
and driving on the footpath before being spiked in the
North Shore's at Totravail a warning of rise in electricity bills.
It could be dangerous for people with respiratory conditions living

(22:56):
in cold and damp homes. The average household power bill
is going up about ten dollars a month from today.
A hearing for an ex a Christchurch Boys high school
teacher claiming unjustified construction to dismissal has included allegations of
defecation on a driveway farm. MAC is funding six more
cancer drugs and one for antibiotic resistant infections from today.

(23:19):
About two hundred and ten people will benefit over the
next year. Has Ethical Investing lost its shine? Find out
more at enzi herold at Premium. Now back to Matt
Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
Thank you very much, Wendy, and we're talking about the
loss of America's Cup. Auckland will not be the host
of the thirty eighth edition of the America's Cup.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Do you care?

Speaker 4 (23:38):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty CE number to call?

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah, do you care?

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Do I care?

Speaker 18 (23:44):
No?

Speaker 2 (23:44):
I was asking people generally, do you care? Passionate? Not
you No, I don't care what you think. Brian, Welcome
to the show your thoughts on this.

Speaker 19 (23:55):
Afternoon, Brian.

Speaker 20 (23:58):
The government's borrowing money and over first five, So why
don't I just take another one hundred and fifty million
on that Anti America's Cup here in New Zealand, and
then half the money they earned from the event.

Speaker 19 (24:14):
Half that goes back towards one hundred and fifty.

Speaker 21 (24:16):
Money and that they had to borrow. The other half
goes back in.

Speaker 20 (24:20):
The New Zealand economy to port or to have water
or the nice things to have.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah, I mean, I guess the idea of we are
borrowing a lot of money and we have to decide
we can't just keep borrowing money. And you might say
one hundred and fifty millions not much will seventy five
from the central government, seventy five from from Auckland City.
But one hundred and fifty million here, fifty million there,
twenty million there, five hundred million the year. You know,

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it all adds adds up, and I guess at some
point the government's got to go well in terms of priorities,
borrowing the money to pay for the America's Cup isn't
something that we feel we can do right now.

Speaker 20 (25:00):
Oh, Matt Pilot could always go put their hands.

Speaker 22 (25:03):
In their pocket.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Take Yeah, well Mett could.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
Yeah, that could definitely make a big detail of that
one hundred and fifty million. Me on the other hands,
I don't know. I'll probably be more harm than good. Yeah,
you still get paid or I thank you very much.
Brian right joining us now. Mark Worams is a former
World Champion sailor Team New Zealand member, author and currently
Professor of Sport and Recreation at the Auckland University of Technology.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Mark. Very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 5 (25:28):
Good afternoon, Mark.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
How gatta are you that the America's Cup isn't coming
back in twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 5 (25:33):
Well, to be honest, I'm disappointed, but I'm not surprised.
It was always a bit of a long shot. I
own in some ways I was a little surprised that
they were even exploring that option, and when they said
that they were, then of course your hopes get raised
a fair bit. But realistically it was always going to
be difficult in the current economic climate that we're in

(25:55):
here in New Zealand to make the numbers stack up,
and I do understand that from a Team New Zealand perspective,
what they need to do first and foremost is they
have enough money to mount a successful defense of the
America's Cup. Because if you haven't got the money to
keep the team together, we go back to two thousand
and three and that's something we don't want to revisit.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
So, speaking of money, does Team New Zealand even want
to bring it here considering the money and coverage that
it can be captured in the northern hemosphere.

Speaker 5 (26:26):
I think Team New Zealand absolutely wants to have it here.
We've got to remember that the vast majority of the
team are New Zealanders. They've grown up here, they're proud
New Zealand Sailors. And of course there's the home court
advantage if you like, We as a team and as
sailors know the holdactun Golf better than anybody and so
that gives us a real sense of being able to
stay at home with our families and have the local

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support and to know intimately the waters that would be
competing on. So if they could make the money stack up,
I think that they absolutely would have wanted to have
it here. But again it comes back to the basics
of this is an expensive game and so you've got
to have a pretty deep poker to be able to

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have the team stay together to build the sort of
boat that you need to be successful as a defender.
And if you go in without a full kind of
wholester of weapons against the opposition that comes at you,
you end up getting shot down. So I agree and
I understand the prioritization of ensuring the team is as

(27:31):
competitive as it can be.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
We're talking to Mark Orham's aut sailing professor. Does SALGP
cover the yachting for New Zealanders.

Speaker 5 (27:40):
I think it does for a certain portion of time.
I mean, of course, the o GP is only really
a three day event, so over that period of time
people absolutely love it and it's a real highlight now
of the sailing calendar in New Zealand. And of course
the recent event in Auckland was a great success. But
it's quite different than the America's Cup. The America's Cup

(28:00):
goes on for many months. You have teams and all
of their families who stay here and become part of
the local community. You have all of the sort of
input from supiots who choose to come down for the summer,
and so the America's Cup is are much much longer
and in much more sustained kind of event in terms
of its impact and its interest. And of course you

(28:22):
can't replicate the history of the America's Cup, which is
the oldest international sporting event bar none. So sale GPS great,
don't get me wrong, but the America's Cup is something
that's very hard to replicate.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Do you think we would have done more to find
the money if it wasn't for sale GP or do
do you think there's a lot of people like me
that go sal GP was awesome, so at least we're
getting some of that experience.

Speaker 5 (28:45):
Yeah, I'd see them as sort of two alternative products,
if you like. Even though they're both elite professional competitive
sailing events, they fill quite different roles from my perspective.
Sale GP for me, is a little bit sort of
an analogous to the Formula one or Moto GP, and

(29:07):
while it's affiliated by and large, you've got these teams
that are traveling around the world and it's a bit
of a traveling road show that happens periodically every month
or in some cases every week or two. The America's
Cup is an event a bit more like the Olympic Games.

Speaker 22 (29:23):
You know, you build up to it over.

Speaker 5 (29:25):
Four or five years. It has a long history, has
a lot of prestige, a lot of controversy, and so
they for me, they feel sort of slightly different roles,
even though we have some of the same people competing
in both events.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
We're talking to at selling professor Mark Orhams. What does
this mean for our high tech boating and boat building
and sailing industries not having the America's Cup coming down here.

Speaker 5 (29:50):
Well, I think both both the marine industry and Auckland
and more widely in New Zealand and the hospitality industry
but will be really disappointed because there's no question that
the America's Cup has and could continue to provide a
major impetus for those two industry or those two sectors
if you like. It's not so much from the input

(30:10):
in to Team New Zealand itself or even the America's
Cup specifically, it's more about the sorts of profile and
especially the super yachts and other visitors who come down,
because when they do bring those really valuable large vessels
down here, they spend many months. They often take the
opportunity to refit and pull out of the water, and
they spend an enormous amount of money while they're here,

(30:33):
and that supports that marine industry. So without the America's
Cup being hosted here, you lose that opportunity. New Zealand's
a long way to come to and so for those
super yachts and all money that comes with them, you
need a really good reason to come down to the
bottom of the planet. The America's Cup provides that reason.
So not having it here means that we miss out
on that vest.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
Grant Dalton is a phenomenal fundraiser, is very formidable at
what he does in that realm. Why couldn't we change
the balance for what the government provides versus what the
private backers would provide is they're just not the appetite
from those private bankers. They don't get enough return from
what they're putting in. If you're talking about one hundred
and fifty mil.

Speaker 5 (31:14):
Yeah, interesting, And I think you've identified something that not
many people have and that Grant Dalton is exceptional at this.
He is somebody who has developed a very credible commercial
proposition that he puts to people. He's cultivated important relationships
with high net worth individuals who trust him and want

(31:36):
to back him. That said, it's a big ass to
try and get to those sort of numbers of the
basis of personal connections and trust with high networth individuals,
and especially in the corporate sense, sponsoring an event at
the bottom of the planet where the vast majority of
their customers and profile they're looking for. It's in the

(31:57):
middle of the night in the Northern Hemisphere. Those things
make it really difficult. So Grant Dalton will find it
much easier to sell the product of the America's Cup
and support for Team New Zealand in the North Hemisphere
than he will down here in New Zealand. That's just
the sort of geographical reality and the commercial reality of
the global marketplace.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
So having said all that, can you see it ever
coming back to New Zealand?

Speaker 5 (32:25):
Yes, I can, actually, I mean maybe I'm I'm a
forever optimist. The reason that I'm optimistic about it is
that there is still a real commitment within Team New
Zealand to say we want to host the America's Cup here.
But we know to have that opportunity, we've got to
win it, because if we don't want it, then we

(32:45):
don't shape what happens in the next event. There is
a context at the moment which is meant that this
attempt to host the thirty eighth America's Cup here in
New Zealand has failed. And that context is that we
are really in a financially challenging context in terms of
our economy, in terms of our businesses, the government books,

(33:06):
Allgland Council's books, and so we might and I hope
we do see that turnaround and the near future, if
we are able to successfully defend the America's Cup and
wherever it is in two thousand and twenty seven, then
we'll have an opportunity to have another go at bringing
it back to Auckland when our financial circumstances might be

(33:28):
be more conducive to that.

Speaker 4 (33:30):
Mark really good to chat with you. Thank you very
much for your time this afternoon.

Speaker 6 (33:34):
Absolute please it all the best.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
That is Mark Orm's former a World champion sailor Team
New Zealand member and professor of Sport and Recreation at
Auckland University of Technology. Will take more of your calls
very shortly. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Call this Texas. They is one hundred and fifty million dollars.
We could buy a navy ship that doesn't sink. Yeah,
well we had one that doesn't sink, but we sunk it.
I don't have a good luck with that. Yeah, it
wasn't the ship's fault exactly. It has fourteen to two the.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Issues that affect you, and a bit of fun along
the way.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
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Speaker 4 (34:10):
They'd be good Afternoon. Is the government right to say
no to funding the next Americas come here in Auckland?

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Jason? How are you?

Speaker 21 (34:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (34:21):
Good, Jess.

Speaker 19 (34:21):
Look, I think there's a couple of aspects at play here.

Speaker 23 (34:26):
One.

Speaker 12 (34:26):
I don't think there is any doubt that the event
and has done for the ones that we've hosted here
in New Zealand have economic payback. I don't think there's
any doubt about that. But it'll be good to see
well it's too late now, it's but academic, but it'd
be great to have seen the you know, the economic
factors here in terms of where they think how many

(34:47):
how many hundred million was it that they needed.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
One hundred and fifty million.

Speaker 12 (34:50):
One hundred and fifty million if we if we you know,
walked out that amount of money. You know, what does
that actually return? I the life of me never really
seen the sciences of that. And another thing I've never
been sure on and no one's really answered it either,
is I'm assuming, given the status of that event and
and the wealth of it, that it attracts prize money

(35:11):
for the winning syndicate. So if that was the case,
it'd be great to know actually what that is, because
I'm sure there is prize money rather than just the prestige.
Why couldn't that there have been some sort of formula
here or structure where like we did a couple of
events go that Emirates was actually just lented as I'm
pretty sure we loaned them the money some regattas back

(35:34):
and ended it having to pay it back. I just
think it's a little bit of lost opportunity, but agree
wholeheartedly that if you do the pros and cons, we
we're not in a situation fiscally where we can fund
up that sort of money. It's just a you know,
as a freebie.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
So yeah, thank you, Jason. I think it's interesting when
they do those, you know, those equations on how much
money an event brings in, like the America's Cup. Yeah,
because you don't know that that money wasn't going to
be you know, there's a centin amount of money, especially
the domestic side of it. There was a certain amount
of money that was going to be spent. It got
spent there, Yeah, but it could have been spent somewhere else.

(36:10):
So the domestic side of it's a little bit squirrelly
when it comes to you know, they may have spent
it on something to do with the America's Cup. They
may have just blinded at the pokes.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
You don't know.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yah, there's the Satain amount of discretionary spending. Hard to quantify. Yeah,
but they have come up with a figure of two
billion in New Zealand dollars out of Barcelona. But Buthlona
didn't want to do it again exactly.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
So what does that say? Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
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Speaker 2 (36:55):
Your thoughts on us not hosting the America's Cup in
twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 14 (37:00):
Yeah, I think it's it's a dreadful shame, you know that.
I think it's central government both allow because of one
of the tail wagers. Not only don't think real central government,
but one of the baby parties said no taxes, so
they don't allow the bed tax. They use the wrong language.
They should have said bed levy about two and a

(37:21):
half bucks a night on a hotel room. You wouldn't
there's not even even the cheapest hotel in New Zealand.
In Auckland, sorry, wouldn't even notice that. To raise one
hundred million pucks. They did it around and choose not
to proceed with that. The so called sophisticated people in Wellington,
and they've killed it and it's ad Remember the economic

(37:44):
impact is one billion or two billion. And I agree
with the previous caller who said, how do you really know, Well,
you don't really know. But what you do know about
these fantastic events. They lift the city. And when the
city is lifted, there's immeasurable there's an immeasurable positive for
everyone in the city and it's just so sad that

(38:05):
something is gorgeous, that it's such a New Zealand thing.
America's Cup, I mean, goodn's me news. There's one at
three times that's been under celebrated too, but you know,
just crazy, just crazy that it doesn't happen because of
merely mouth civil servants and Willicans.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yeah, thank you for your your thoughts on that, Graham.
There's no doubt in twenty twenty one, it did bring
the city together. It was an absolutely spectacular event, especially
you know, the best of thirteen race against the Lunarossa.
That was if that was I tell you some of
the best times of my life down there, down there
at the Viaduct.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
Well, not even being an Auckland, being in christ Church.
I think it brought the country together. I could feel
the hype down in christ Chach because everybody was into it.
And Graham's right, that's something that you cannot measure, but
it's there, that general hype and happiness and well being
of New Zealand as a whole. When we hold an
event like that and we win it.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Well it's all academic because it's not coming back in
twenty twenty seven. Maybe our economy will go rock star again.
And if New Zealand won it again then maybe we'll
have some money in the future and we can bring
it back. But right now we have I've been able
to rustle up one hundred and fifty mil.

Speaker 4 (39:10):
So it's so long for now a couple of techs
to wrap this up. Guys, why are we not co
hosting it with Sydney. We could have New Zealand versus
Australia and Auckland for the right race the winner of
the Louis Verton Cup in Sydney. Nothing like a bit
of trans tesman rivalry.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
This text at DAL says Auckland needs to tidy itself
up before anything big is held here. It's a mess here.
You can't invite people around when we haven't cleaned up
our own house.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
It's good point at OL, Yeah, very good, keep it
clean right. Coming up after two o'clock, let's have a
chat about the black market of tobacco. The excized tax
is increasing again and now for a pack of twenty
five costing fifty bucks, the text can make up eighty
percent of that.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Crazy. Yeah, so I want to hear from someone that's
bought black market cigarettes. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
You don't have to tell us where or who you are.
We just want to know the process.

Speaker 5 (40:02):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
And if you grow tobacco as well, we want to
hear from you. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
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Speaker 2 (41:37):
Darts, ladies and gentlemen. So here we go. Interesting topic.
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. We want to hear
from you if you're getting SIGs on the black market.
You can keep all the details secret, yep, but we'd
like to hear about the process. Excise tax on tobacco
might be lifting, but the amount collected has dropped, sparking

(41:58):
warnings that smokers might be turning to the black market
for their cigarette. It's a pack of twenty five SIGs
now costs just under fifty bucks. That's insanely that is
a lot of a pack of Winfield twenties is thirty
eight fifty that's for twenties and twenty five dollars twenty
five dollars. Forty four of that thirty eight to fifty
for the twenty pack is excise tax. So the question is, really,

(42:23):
if you've got as high as you can on the
excise tax, are you just you know, And it's done
a good job bringing smoking rates back down, and I
think the insane cost of cigarettes it has been a
lot of the reason why smoking rates have dropped plummeted,
right and you know a couple that without not being
able to do it inside and such. But now it's

(42:43):
getting to the point where it's so expensive and about
to go up again that it's just pushing people towards
the black market.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
Yeah, so if you do buy your tobacco on the
black market, we'd love to hear from you. How easy
is it to get a hold of and we can
keep your name anonymous.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
But where do you go?

Speaker 4 (43:00):
To get it clearly. When it's two bucks per cigarette,
that is crazy money. And when back when I was smoking,
I can remember, actually I think it was about twenty
cents a cigarette, So I could bear with that that.
I just pictured myself checking away a twenty cent coin
each time I had a cigarette.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Tell if I was a smoker these days, like I
was back in the day, and someone asked for a cigarette,
I'd have to consider very carefully whether I'm going to
give him a two dollars cigare to serve you can
a cigarette. The FDA report found consumption of illicit tobacco
and New Zealand increase thirty seven percent in twenty twenty three,
even as overall consumption declined. Almost a quarter of all
tobacco consumed in the country was illicit tobacca. So how

(43:38):
do you get your hands on the illicit tobacco?

Speaker 6 (43:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (43:41):
I one hundred tobacca? Again, Am I pronouncing that right? Tobacco?
I don't know why I'm saying by that. That was weird.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
Oh, one hundred and eighty is the number to call
love to hear from you on this one?

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Yeah, this is an interesting way to put it. Someone
on the Median wage has to work a forty hour
week for five weeks just to afford to smoke half
a pack a day for a year. That's a complex
way to put it. But anyway, if you and so
are we just hammering the same addicted people. So we've
got to seven percent of people, they're just fully addicted
and you know, whatever things we're doing, because if you chat,

(44:13):
they were just you know, forcing them into the black market.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
Yeah, so at fifty bucks per pack, it's at the
higher end. But if you're a packa day, I was
a pack of day, maybe a little bit more than that,
so that by the end of the week four hundred bucks?

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Were you backhanding? How did you smoke?

Speaker 24 (44:28):
No?

Speaker 4 (44:29):
No, I did the two fingers, two fingers, three fingers,
yeah lower Tayley's though I didn't.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
I didn't do rollies. You went a pretentious backhander like me. Anyway,
let's not go back.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
We need to get the cameras on. That didn't look
like cigarettes or smoking there.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Let's not reminiscent about a glory day smoking cigarettes because
thankfully both of us have managed to kick that to touch.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
Yep, but keen to hear from you for now? Yeah,
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Speaker 4 (45:08):
Said, good afternoon, and we're talking about the black market
of tobacco on the back of another increase in tax
on your standard pack of Siggi's. It is a rich
man's game these days. If you want to try and
smoke and do it legally, well, it.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Is a rich man's game in price. But as it
turns out, it is generally poor people that are still
smoking in that seven percent, which maybe why the black
market is growing some Some studies suggests twenty five percent
of all SIGs sold in New zealandle tobacco is a
legal tobacco. This textas says Tyler, you're still smoking hot?

Speaker 13 (45:48):
That is?

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Oh thank you? Who is that from Red?

Speaker 5 (45:51):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Yeah, okay, thanks Red? Right there you go, Amanda, Hi,
how are you welcome to the show? So black market cigarettes?

Speaker 21 (46:02):
Yeah? So someone I knows fives and believe with them
like a five k area. I know of at least
two places that sell them, but they just must be everywhere.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
What kind of places are selling them?

Speaker 21 (46:24):
Like bake shops and liquor shops?

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Right, it is the two that I know of.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
And how does your friends you know, address the issue
because obviously they're not going to put these black market
cigarettes up on the shelf. How does that?

Speaker 3 (46:39):
How do you know?

Speaker 2 (46:40):
How does she know or he know for which which
shops are selling them? And be how do you raise
it with the person at the counter?

Speaker 21 (46:48):
I think, like I think the first place that they
used to get them timed, they kind of developed a
relationship because that looked like our local place. Yeah, so
it just came about through that. But then the other
place I know about was just Word of Mounts someone
else who brought them there.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Yeah, you're not really risking much though.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
I mean they used to call it loose works as
an American term, but it would be single cigarettes that
someone may sell you and highly illegal. But you didn't
risk much by saying, hey, do you sell Lucy's? So
I imagine it would be something similar to that.

Speaker 21 (47:18):
Amanda, Yeah, yeah, probably, I think like the some of
the liquor shops also sell like their self single drakes
when they're not made too as well.

Speaker 22 (47:27):
I think, yeah, it's.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
Kind of like that saying and so you're not surprised
by this figure that twenty five percent of smokers may
be buying off the off the black market.

Speaker 6 (47:39):
Die not at all?

Speaker 21 (47:40):
And you know, yeah, why wouldn't they when they could
get it for half the rise?

Speaker 2 (47:44):
How much? So it's about half the price. So if
we're saying here fifty dollars or just under fifty dollars
for pack twenty five, so you're paying twenty.

Speaker 21 (47:54):
Five bucks for that, ye're twenty twenty five a packer
and like normally bought a part.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Yeah, wow. And any idea how the particular vape shops
or liquor stores get those cigarettes where they source them from?

Speaker 21 (48:11):
No, no idea, no, but when well, and from what
I know, when they're sold to the person that I know,
they're put in a like a bag or in a
box or something, so you can't see what's in the
bag or box right.

Speaker 6 (48:28):
Yeah, out the door.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
And I guess once you've done it once then then
it's much easier just to come back and you know
they know what you want.

Speaker 21 (48:37):
Yeah, totally.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Yeah, Well, Thank you so much, Amanda. And is your
friends concerned about getting caught? Is there a feeling that
there's some danger in buying these black market cigarettes?

Speaker 15 (48:51):
No, not that, not that I know of.

Speaker 21 (48:53):
I mean, the text are huge on the legitimate ones. Anyway,
I guess my only thought would be like, because they're
not regulated, because they're coming in legally, then do we
actually know what's them? I mean, I know this bad
stuff in the Ana, but yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
I mean, yeah, that is the risk I do I wonder, Amanda.
It might be hard to tell, but I'd understand people
can grow their own to some extent, whether it is
you know, the homegrowing tobacco that's somehow being well.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
I mean, hey, install the cigarettes a pretty major operation, Tyler.
But I guess if there's a lot of money in it,
that you have grown your own homegrown tobacco and then
you you've got a machine rolling them up into tailor mates,
that maybe there's a market for that today. Thank you
so much for your call, Amanda. It is funny the
idea that they might not be you know, healthy for you,
the cigarettes. You know, you know, you be careful how

(49:43):
they made. They might they might turn out that they're
bad for your health. If they're not regulated, you've got
to be careful.

Speaker 4 (49:48):
We've got to be real careful outlays.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Unlike the regulated ones that are incredibly good for you. Jason,
your thoughts on black market SIGs, You've got to be.

Speaker 19 (49:59):
Honestly buy them. I'll buy three peckets a week. I'll
pay twenty bucks a pecket for a pecket of twenties.

Speaker 6 (50:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (50:09):
I get them from a particular dairy in a particular
city in New Zealand. I say, what one, but that
there is not the only place that you get them
is the bake shop and also the local list shop.
So yeah, but it's a it's about half the cost
of going out and getting a normal packet.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Are they? Are they you know, well known brands that
you're buying.

Speaker 19 (50:35):
No, it's got like Chinese riding and stuff on it
like that. You know, you buy the normal packet of twenties,
it's cardboard. These ones are like paper wrapping, but it's
still sealed and it's you know, plastic sealed and everything.
And it's yeah, I don't have an issue of it.
You know, it's half the cost, that's yeah?

Speaker 6 (50:55):
Is that? You know?

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Are they good? Cigarettes. Do you do you like them?

Speaker 19 (51:01):
I wouldn't say that. You know that every brain is different,
it's different, but you know, I'm not going to complain
when they're half the cost.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
And are they the same each time or is it
a bit of a surprise.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
That you get No?

Speaker 19 (51:12):
No, no, they're just basically what you're buying Johnna. Yeah right,
exactly the same packaging.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
And you know, have you attempted just to give up smoking?

Speaker 5 (51:24):
Oh?

Speaker 19 (51:24):
I smoked and ibate sung down to three packets a
day a week? Sorry?

Speaker 24 (51:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (51:29):
Yeah, so you know I might smoke one and innovate
for a couple of hours and you have another one.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
So what eppens if you you're away on holiday or
out of out of where you live Jason, and you
need to find some more illicit to back or is that.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Pretty easy to find?

Speaker 19 (51:43):
Well, I'll probably buy a cartain for a least to
be honest, good boy?

Speaker 18 (51:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Yeah, How did you raise it? Jason? How did you
raise it? Which you know, it sounds like you've got
three options there locally to you? How did you raise
it or find out that it was an opportunity to
buy these black masket cigarettes?

Speaker 19 (52:00):
Just word of mouths from a week, colleague, and.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
So you go and go he did you how did
you address it? Did you just go straight straight up
the guts? And you've got any black markets aggress for me?

Speaker 19 (52:10):
Or you know, you know, you get told to go
in and just go. Have you got any of those
cheap things? And they know exactly what you're talking about?
And you know you've got to pay in cash, don't
expect a receipt or nothing.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Yeah, And so have you got any idea how they're
I mean, obviously you're just buying them at the vape
shop or whatever, but have you got any idea how
they're sourcing them, how they're getting into the country, because.

Speaker 18 (52:35):
You know, I'm pretty sure I doose are like all
these liquor stores and dairies and all that, they all
pull their resources together and buy everything in bulk, right,
and so they're all so it's technically coming in and
the containers when they're buying all the other stuff, it's
coming and as it in the containers, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
I see what you're saying, right, Yeah, so you buy
a lot of stuff and then there's a bunch of
darts in there as well.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
Yeah, So was it not a part of you, Jason,
that thought going going to black market is just too hard.
I'm going to I'm going to do vaping because it's cheaper,
or just quit all together.

Speaker 19 (53:10):
Well, I'm trying to quit that It's easier say than done.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
Yep.

Speaker 19 (53:14):
Like I said, I'd cut back half of what I
was making, but it's just the last half that's had.
But yeah, I'll keep paying twenty bucks a cigarette as
long as the garden, as long as over you.

Speaker 22 (53:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
So do you think in a way the black markets
cigarettes are enabling enabling you to keep smoking and that
if you were having to pay fifty bucks for a
pack of twenty five's, it might finally nip it in
the bud.

Speaker 19 (53:37):
For you, to be honest at the stage, right and now,
I would probably still fork out the fifty It's just
something else would have the good Yeah, yeah, no.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Fair enough to Thank you so much for sharing, Jason,
appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (53:49):
Yeah, very thank you mate. Very interesting. Eight one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Call I'd like to know, and I've just been trying
to look this up, but I struggle to find the information.
You know what the penalty is for if you get
caught buying black market cigarettes? What the penalty is for
selling them? Yeah, you know what the penalty is for
smuggling them into the country. I don't imagine it's on
the same scale as meth and fitamine. You were cocaine. No,

(54:17):
So I wonder if you know, does your shop immediately
get shut down?

Speaker 5 (54:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (54:21):
You know, do you get immediately? You know, is the
jail time for selling a pack of twenty dollars Chinese cigarettes?
I'dn't be interested to know.

Speaker 4 (54:29):
Well, if the cops pulled you over and you had
a pack of Chinese cigarettes on you, I mean, that's
pretty easy to took your way out of that cent Sorry,
I just came.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Back from China. Immediate tasering and then you're on your way.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you know
what happens if you do get caught.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Love to hear from you, and I'll continue my research. Yes,
twenty three past two.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
Matt Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 4 (54:59):
Good afternoon, and we're talking about the black market trade
of tobacco in New Zealand. Quite a large part of
the smoky market up to twenty five percent, maybe more,
but that's according to a survey. But this is on
the back of excised tax once again going up. A
pack of twenty five cigarettes now can cost up to
fifty bucks, and depending on the brand, tax can make

(55:20):
up eighty percent of the costs. So for a pack
of fifty sorry twenty five cigarettes at fifty bucks, that
would be forty dollars as tax, which is crazy.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Mate of mine says this text of works at the ports.
He buys a curtain of off the crew of Chinese
ships fifteen dollars a pack. There you go, Okay, all
happens at the port. Yeah, other Texas is basically so
basically the government is solely responsible for the rise in
dairy client crime. I wouldn't say solely responsible. It's a
lot to do with the people that are doing the
dairy crime.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
Some responsibility there, you'd think, guys, I don't smoke and
never have, but I know a few people who buy
illegal SIGs from a local owned dairy where you have
to be very secretive when asking for them.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Yeah, and this is I guess the point. Black market
cigarettes are causing future health costs without paying for them,
no more public health provisions. Smokers their own bad choices, Simon.
So he's saying that if you smoke then you get
lung ganta or whatever going to cancer. Then, according to Simon,
he just wants you to die.

Speaker 4 (56:21):
Yeah, yeah, well, I mean it isn't that money going
back into the health system hopefully the text that they
can cream off the toime.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Well, it's always an and like I'm just speaking without
having any facts or figures here, which I'm happy to do.
But in the past people have said that they took
more money from excised tax than cost to the house
system of dealing with the smokers.

Speaker 6 (56:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
That was always the thing, wasn't it. And that was
always the reason one of the reasons given why they
didn't completely get rid of smoking, you know, cigarettes, because
it was actually a net gain to the country having
some smokers, you know, being willing to be addicted and
pay that much.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
Yeah, they were patriots in a way. John, How are
you this afternoon?

Speaker 6 (57:06):
Goody good?

Speaker 2 (57:08):
What are you thinking about the black market tobacco?

Speaker 14 (57:10):
A man?

Speaker 6 (57:11):
So where where I live in Aukland, Man, it's just
so like open, like you just rock up to the
dairy and you just ask them, shut up, do you
have I'll just say these Chinese cigrettes, you know, but
they kind of come in like a soft pack and
a hard pack, and some of them kind of come
in like a there's some that come in like a premium,

(57:33):
like you kind of get some that are better than
the others. But like I think Jason stated, it was
like the average prices around fifteen to twenty dollars, depending
on how much you play it. It's like if you
buy a carded, it kind of sets around fifteen dollars
of carden. But yeah, it's it's just so so open

(57:56):
the market. It's like you can kind of just purchase
from They've got Facebook groups. Man, I even tell you guys,
like I think I was like seven years ago when
Boom started happening. You know, even myself, I was so
I purchased like a thousand dollars worth of a guy
that was uh an importer of illegal tobacco, and man,

(58:20):
I'll just like triple my money, you know, certain will
be like three thousand, you know it was. I was
definitely our market was just so easy to get. It's
kind of it's kind of quite a little bit more
difficult to get it at bulk these days because the
government's kind of cracked down on it, and I think
we stopped we stopped their game maybe two three years ago.

(58:45):
But I was definitely our market that was so easy,
so easy to get the stuff in by bulk.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Hey, John, have you ever heard of anyone being busted,
anyone you know or you know any of the places
that you've bought these these uh you know, black market
cigarettes off ever being busted.

Speaker 6 (59:05):
So the places that are currently selling in them in
the area that I stay, Man, they've been operating for
like four years, you know, that's all. And it's just yeah,
at something where the locals kind of don't really say
anything because everyone's benefiting from the you know it down

(59:26):
It's definitely and I think how you follows said that
there's a market out there for people actually growing tobacco.
The actually is, you know, and I think you guys
chuckled at someone rolling tailies, then there there's people out there,
there's a certain culture that they grow the certain tobacco.

(59:48):
Man as harsh as well.

Speaker 4 (59:50):
Then what's going to ask John, is you know what
is the head like that don't like it would be
pretty pretty hard on the lungs.

Speaker 6 (59:57):
Yeah, it's pretty heavy. So they are, so one tailor
will be equivalent to like smoking four four or five
and one job.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
You know you're getting a special film in that or
is it just just straight up the guards?

Speaker 25 (01:00:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:00:11):
No, no, So it's fully they've got a full tailor
rolling machine makes clean teenies. So you can pick up
a twenty roll Chilis for like ten bucks. You get
a thirty grand for like man for like fifteen bucks.
And it's just the market still, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
And they've got an extra machine turning them into tailies.
That's operation. And they two tone colors or they you
know that does it look just like a you know,
just like a.

Speaker 6 (01:00:39):
Boat one that looks exactly like a boat one that
comes in the only thing that they're didn't come in
as a packet. They're coming kind of little a little
bad rap, you know, the little sandwich bad Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Can you can you pick your region? John? You know,
if you're if you're a sucker for a bit of
Motika tobacco, can you can you ask for that?

Speaker 6 (01:00:58):
Oh man? This is like they didn't come in like
a port Royal flavor. It's just like the street. It's like, yeah,
the guy that was kind of growing it was. He
used to always say, put hair on your chest, you know. Definitely,
like I said, Geneva's that's that's definitely a market that's open.

(01:01:22):
There's no fear in getting caught.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
That's interesting, Hey, John, when you seen before that you'd
bought bulk in the past, How big can you get?
And how hard was it back in the day. You
see that in recent years it's got harder. But how
easy was it to buy a big amount? And will
you buy it just for yourself or you're buying it
on sell?

Speaker 6 (01:01:43):
Were buying it on self? You know? It was I
think that most I bought in one jot was like
twenty k with Wow, and the return was like sixty
depending on how greedy I wanted to get, Like I
was getting packaged at like two dollars fifty a pack,
and then I'll I'll put my premium on top, will
be like twenty bucks, you know, depending And it's like

(01:02:03):
at the customer that was buying, as they were buying more,
I'll give them, I'll chuck it to you for fifteen bucks,
you know. Yeah, And then the deal was always there,
but it was just we had a we had a
family that were importing containing a lots of it. Like
it was like it was a no check you'll do

(01:02:24):
just sit your order up and the guy will be
here and then next week and then you go to
the house and you'll just go click your buckles. And
I thought, for me personally, the the logistics of story
twinny k worth of cigarette kind of become a bit
of a nightmare becers. You had all these buckles kind

(01:02:46):
of stored up in your carriage, and it was just
it was definitely a world that where I made some
real quick cash, you know, and it was for myself.
When I was at that age, I was I had
no fear of getting caught because I knew, like you said,
you know, it wasn't like I was selling like myth
or Blenny weed or anything like that.

Speaker 21 (01:03:07):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:03:08):
It was just like, see, if I get caught, I'll
probably just get get a fine put on how and
D or something, you know, Or there was the fear
wasn't there.

Speaker 25 (01:03:19):
You know, And.

Speaker 6 (01:03:21):
I knew I could just do it. And I felt,
like I said, if I got caught, it was just
like just destroyed. You see, they see the judge, you know,
you'll give me a slip on the end, you know,
and it was just yeah, And I think that's why
it's so open and the market up there, just everyone
doesn't have their fear of having that big punishment come

(01:03:42):
down on them when they do get caught. I think,
like I said, you know, the market has become a
lot more hard of what the government really cracking down
on all this illegal input of tobacco. But yeah, man,
there's like all sorts of stages there. Like our cases
said that was the soft pack, the hard pack, and

(01:04:03):
we're like we're selling for at a point there we're
selling like the done all equivalent of Chinese sobek goop,
like the premium of previous.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Yeah, John, fascinating. That is incredible. So that's a real insight.

Speaker 4 (01:04:19):
Yeah, absolutely, can you hear from you? Eight hundred and
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Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
Thank you very much, Wendy, and we're talking about the
illicit tobacco trade in New Zealand, a lot bigger than
certainly on you about a study mentioned it was about
twenty five percent of the smoking market in New Zealand,
but going via our Texan calls, it seems to be
incredibly prevalent.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Yeah, I'm trying to get to the bottom of how
much you know that the fines or the penalties or
what happens if you get caught selling black market tobacco.
In September twenty twenty for a tobacco shop owner received
thirty six thousand dollars fines totaling thirty six thousand dollars

(01:06:16):
falling enforcement and legal action by Health New Zealand and
the Ministry of Health. We've got a Chrystchitch cigar and
it was fine. I'll try and I'll have to break
down this information, but this we'll tell you what the
fines are when we get a chance to go through this. Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Some great texts coming through, Guys. I grow
my own tobacco cheap, but tastes like absolute shipe.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
That'd be like my home brew. Hey Scott, you also
grow your own tobacco.

Speaker 7 (01:06:47):
Yeah, that's right, and I do it all legally. It's
legal to buy the seeds from New Zealand. It's illegal
to sell it, which I don't do. I just want
to say that growing your tobacco was really really easy,
and it's really easy to get a good flavor and
smoke from it. It's all about currying goods and flavoring
it with rum wine, bourbon, with anything you want, really

(01:07:10):
and so.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
And then you just roll the just rollies. You roll
them up on some zig zags.

Speaker 7 (01:07:16):
Is that it's rolley or smoking an old fashioned pipe
like an old man or yeah, rollies as well. It
just takes a bit of time and effort. But it's
just so easy to grow. So it's one way of
not needing to buy cigarettes.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
The part of my ignorance here as a previous smoker,
but it never been a pipe smoker. Is that is
the tobacco you put in a pipe the same as
the tobacco you put in a cigarette.

Speaker 7 (01:07:37):
Yeah, it's absolutely the same. I sometimes do get shot
brought tobacco just to make it, just to make it
turn a little bit better, But it's absolutely the same.
It's all just about Unfortunately it's a bit of a process,
but you learn.

Speaker 19 (01:07:50):
It over with time.

Speaker 7 (01:07:51):
It's about you's got to dry it properly and then
get a good little flavor and like I said, with
rum or wine, just like port Royal or or so
whiskey something that I know. But yeah, absolutely the same.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
And it's the process involved. So you've got a plant,
the tobacco plants, you got to dry them, process them.

Speaker 7 (01:08:08):
So you can buy the seeds online legally he from
trade me or anywhere else perfectly legal to buy and
then just plants anywhere you want in your garden. It
grows so we easily. It literally grows like a weed,
and then after a couple of months, you cut it,
you hang it, you let it dry out jewey about
six to eight weeks, just depending.

Speaker 6 (01:08:27):
On the weather.

Speaker 7 (01:08:28):
And then after that it's favorite longer you leave it
better to smoke. But yeah, it's really really easy and
really really simple.

Speaker 4 (01:08:34):
And John mentioned before that it hits the lungs pretty hard.
Is that is that the case with your stuff or
you feel a bit more to it.

Speaker 12 (01:08:44):
Yeah, it wasn't the in the beginning, but you can
go online and YouTube. There's so many people up there
that are doing it across the world, and it's just
about getting a good process of curing and being patient
with it. But once you get your routine going, like
it's like it's been a picture of my garden. I've
literally cut about fifty tobacco part about six flot high
in the front garden.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Hey, so, Scott, obviously smoking tobacco not great for you
as as well known famously are you. It doesn't sound
like you're trying to give up smoking if you're spending
a lot of time growing.

Speaker 7 (01:09:16):
Smoking is absolutely bad for you. And I really encourage
people don't smoke. But there's a lot of people like
me who are you know, forty fifty sixty older who
smoked all their lives and to prosecute them with higher
taxes when when they're clearly addicted, it's a health issue.
It's not a it shouldn't be a tax issue, right,

(01:09:37):
So very of addictive smoked for forty fifty years, is
it really said? You know, we're taxing them so much
money and prosecuting a poor you know, old Penchner who's
seventy smoked for sixty years, fifty years, and you know
taking their money from them is like, what can you
do if you're an addict?

Speaker 19 (01:09:55):
You're an apict?

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Right, So, Scotty, do you sell any of your of
any of the cigarettes that you know, the tobacco that
you grow, Scotty's, Scotty's lungbusters or anything.

Speaker 6 (01:10:06):
Sorry say that?

Speaker 7 (01:10:07):
What the question?

Speaker 6 (01:10:07):
Do I sell it?

Speaker 19 (01:10:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
Absolutely not not Yeah, fair enough, that's too far, all right,
just chicking, just chicking.

Speaker 7 (01:10:15):
That's not true too.

Speaker 12 (01:10:16):
I definitely don't.

Speaker 7 (01:10:17):
It's awful for me and ye, yeah, all.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Right, I thank you so much, Scott. There, very interesting.
I'm learning a lot today.

Speaker 4 (01:10:24):
Heck yeah, oh, eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call love to hear from you that
this this person.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
Brian says, given smoking kills five thousand people a year
in New Zealand, why would you have a conversation about
people growing their own et cetera. It's pathetic supporting more
disease and death. That's from Brian. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Brian, like,
we should never talk about anything of that's dangerous because
people are so vulnerable. Just hearing someone talking about it

(01:10:50):
is going to make them suddenly start smoking.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
Apparently people drink alcohol out there to do that. Yeah, apparently,
how crazy is that? That's disgusting, isn't it. Wait till
Brian finds out about that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It is sixteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Matty Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on
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Speaker 4 (01:11:16):
They'd be very good afternoon to you. It is thirteen
to three.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Gents. It's so easy to get anything thiss in New Zealand.
Go do a one day course approved by MPI and
get certified as an accredited person. This authorizes you to
inspect open and containers. There are plenty of gang members
who are such authorized. The GVT is more interested in
biosecurity than the importation of illicit goods such as Siggy's. Yes, Sean, Doug,

(01:11:45):
how are you this afternoon? Get a doug Doggy, Douggy,
Dougie Doggie? Ain't there? Okay, let's go to Neville. Hi, mate,
how are how are your bunny?

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:11:57):
Hey, I'm part of the story.

Speaker 24 (01:11:59):
You know.

Speaker 13 (01:11:59):
My sister works in a cigarette shop in Australia and
New South Wales and it's owned by the Bendidos and
that's all they sell is the illegal imported tobacco and
smokes from throwing her in that. You know, well, every
night on TV over there, you've got the articles about
the government of clamping down on it and all the
sort of thing. Well she's got she's got police coming

(01:12:20):
into the shop and bike cigarettes and all that. It's
a normal at the normal shop in the middle of town. Now,
also over the you have the Commentero's also own the
cigarette shops, and every now and then they have a
bit of a rumble and they burn each other out
right down in Sydney, down in Sydney more than that
where she is.

Speaker 6 (01:12:38):
And I said, what if they.

Speaker 23 (01:12:39):
Burned out, she's the world.

Speaker 13 (01:12:40):
It doesn't really matter because I don't be there in
the middle of the night.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
So you're saying that they've got going. So the Bandido
is the famous motorcycle gang. They actually own own the shop. Yeah,
and what kind of what kind of shop is it?

Speaker 13 (01:12:55):
It's a cigarette shop, cigarette shop shop, right, And so
there's themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
So they have some legit cigarettes on the shelf, but
they're mainly just moving black market.

Speaker 13 (01:13:07):
Mainly just that it's not so much black market, that's
what she says.

Speaker 6 (01:13:12):
She said, it's not even hidden.

Speaker 13 (01:13:13):
She said the police come in and buy the cigarette,
you know that sort of thing. She she buys a
kilo bag of the rough stuff and she takes it
home and puts it in the old ninjabullet machine with
some normal good stuff and a bit of bourbon and
spins it all up and then drives it to make
herself a better quality smoke. But other than that, it's
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you've got the government saying, oh, they're clamping down on it.

Speaker 6 (01:13:37):
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Speaker 13 (01:13:38):
She said, our shops open every day that if they want.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Yeah, well, the only place to worre where cigarettes are
more expensive than they are in New Zealand as Australia,
I believe, incredibly expensive over there is your sister, okay
working for the bandidos. Is she she worried about safety
or yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:13:55):
No, no, she said, there's completely said. She said, if
it's going to burn down, it's going to burn down
in the middle of the night, you know. But that's
she's up in the back of the Gold Coast. But
the ones that are burning down, the ones that are
brawling and all that are more down Sydney Melbourne Bandidos
and the Commenteros having a little.

Speaker 4 (01:14:11):
Bit of an argument fire bombing over tobacco. I mean,
well it is serious.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
Well, when it gets up to the fifty dollars for
a pack of twenty five, then it becomes, you know,
a lucrative business for criminals.

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Speaker 4 (01:19:20):
Good afternoon, welcome back into the show, seven past three
and having a great discussion about black market tobacco.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
Yeah, it's actually blowing my mind the people we've talked
to how easy it is to buy black market cigarettes.
But you know, there is some serious risks just looking
at the story here from September last year. A discount
vape and tobacco shop owner as well as a cigar
shop and its owner have received fines totaling thirty six
thousand dollars. There was a christ Each cigar shop that

(01:19:52):
was fined twenty eight thousand dollars after eight breeches of
smock smoke free Environment regulations, the owner of an employee,
the owner and an employee of a discount specialist befind
a total of eight thousand dollars for supplying tobacco products,
and a christ Each Grea was fined fifty six thousand
dollars in August. So very fine. There's some big fines

(01:20:14):
around not following the laws around tobacco.

Speaker 4 (01:20:17):
Yeah, and we put a request into ASH, which is
the Action for Smoke Free Organization, just to try and
give us a heads up on what the actual legislation
says when it comes to selling illicit tobacco, and I'll
just read out what they've sent back to us. An
individual small business selling illicit packs can be fined up
to four hundred dollars with an infringement notice. Although I'd

(01:20:38):
point out that almost all customs enforcement is focused on
borders and import, not local level supply. A challenge with
local supplier is that anyone can sell tobacco if they
comply with laws on display and sign its. Most local
infringement is selling to minors or breaking down packs to
sell individual cigarettes with some evidence of selling non duty
paid or loose homegrow in tobacco. Most of the big

(01:21:01):
penalties are brought down by customs.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
Yeah, this is interesting because these ones that I'm talking
about here, like the cigarette and Cigar and Tobacco Shop
in christ which it's twenty eight thousand foot eight breaches
of Smoke Free Environments and Regulated Products Acts. The breeches
related to selling, labeling and advertising of cigars. So get
cigars out of their Cigars are fun, There's no problem
with cigars. Yeah, I can't believe cigars are included and

(01:21:26):
all this let's how you celebrate Yeah absolutely, I've celebrated
both my kids with cigars. Yeah right, it's a nice
thing to do. Yeah. But anyway, so these aren't actually
for selling black This information I've been handed as nothing
to do with black markets selling. So I'll can I
go back in time and not read that out?

Speaker 5 (01:21:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Yeah, yeah, that's scratched off. Can we you know, stricken
that from the record. Yeah, we can reset that.

Speaker 4 (01:21:50):
And I've got some information here about what the finds
are at the custom level as well, which will get
into very shortly. But we want to hear from you.
I eight hundred eighty Doug.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
Your thoughts on illicit cigarettes?

Speaker 6 (01:22:02):
Love it?

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
You love them? Straight straight out the gate? Be smoking
since my mother's since your mother's womb, that would have
been yeah, yeah, my father was half us, right, and
so did you? Were they black market cigarettes? You're smoking
your mother's room or were they you know, Peter Stuyvesant

(01:22:25):
or something.

Speaker 22 (01:22:27):
Couldn't tell you. I believe that they were approximately a
dollar seventy four. They wan up to two dollars seventy five,
twenty five working.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
Well, that's that's interesting. You say that because I locked
up before. What a packet of twenty Peter Stuyvesant's were
in New Zealand and nineteen seventy one? A packet of twenties? Yeah,
forty five cents, forty five forty five even with inflation,
what would that be about five bucks?

Speaker 22 (01:22:50):
It will take?

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
Yeah, good times?

Speaker 19 (01:22:52):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
Think of you a call, Doug.

Speaker 22 (01:22:55):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I haven't finished.
I've got I've got a good Christian for you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Okay.

Speaker 22 (01:22:59):
Do you have ation fu of use?

Speaker 6 (01:23:00):
Yes?

Speaker 13 (01:23:01):
Yes?

Speaker 22 (01:23:02):
Can you peace? Pipe and Siggi's world just pipe it
on please right speaking the truth?

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
Yep, yep, yes, and there's a come up yep, sisworld
dot c.

Speaker 22 (01:23:12):
H caperin yep, yep. Tap it in and go to products. Yeah,
here we go, okay, product and we'll start off at whole.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
You own your own, right yep.

Speaker 22 (01:23:25):
Okay. The first packet you'll see will be forty gram
for proximate food dollars eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
Yep, you get that royal bourbon shag tobacco for forty gram.

Speaker 22 (01:23:33):
No, you can buy drum everything. I preferred to fifty
grands for four dollars eighty feet dollars eighty. So hanging
on with two packets a week. So you have the
two packets a week and.

Speaker 5 (01:23:42):
You just ordered them legal.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
It's legal online, of course it is.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
It's not legal.

Speaker 22 (01:23:47):
Otherwise I wouldn't give him. You know, as long as
you don't purchase more than two packets. Wrong, as you
don't purchase more than two packets. They come through customs
in a cigar box because under the under the bacco lords,
the cigar has the government at a certain weight and
and percentage. And as long as long as you don't
order more than two packets of tailor mades or volume own,

(01:24:08):
you'll get it. And you'll be paying now around forty
dollars for two fifty grams, which is one hundred and
forty nine dollars that they can say, so you save
in a couple of dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
So Royal Bom and Jagg Tobacco, it's five stars. It's
got five stars at Sigy World three dollars.

Speaker 22 (01:24:21):
Eighty these, yes, sir, and I speak the truth. That's
why I asked you a question first, right, and yeah,
well the way I say it, okay, if a politician
can go into the Bee High because it's not a
public land a public bar and smoke a cigarette and
a bar, well I feel that's actually that's actually one
to the average New Zealand.

Speaker 6 (01:24:42):
Though.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
Yeah, well, I think you know what confused us is.
You know, you may speak the truth, but you did
start off by saying that you were smoking in your
mum's wormb So, so Doug, you got to see that.
They concuse me me.

Speaker 22 (01:24:54):
No, no, it is the truth because we're talking aback
to ninety seven. Is my mother had her first hold
in ninety fifty six.

Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
And.

Speaker 22 (01:25:02):
I've got younger brothers, and I noticed the reasons why
my mother smote when she was pregnant, right, yeah. My
mother never told her life, never touched a drug anything
like that. She was a genuine New Zealand though. And yes,
you see, but i'd just like, you know, I know
that we have the information because the conversations you are

(01:25:24):
having on the radio before was but I don't know,
it's the same Christians and you're expecting a different you know.
It was the guy bit boring because everybody knows about these.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
Neither, you know, Doug didn't get boring for me. I
was absolutely stimulated. I did not know how easy it
was to buy a black market cigarettes, yeah in New Zealand.
So I'm sorry if you were bored, Doug. But I
was fizzing.

Speaker 6 (01:25:46):
I was.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
I was jumping around in my seat like a like
a jumping bean.

Speaker 22 (01:25:50):
Tell the New Jellanders how to actually confuse the police.

Speaker 6 (01:25:52):
They can't.

Speaker 22 (01:25:53):
What you do is you buy the long packets of
the cigarettes from pack and Sabre Dairy and then you
put your Chinese packets and you're and they're touching you perfectly,
and you just take the top off and when you
open up the packet they look look like a packet
of cigarettes. You buy from pack and saving a piece
and go have a good day to here.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
Well, thank you U. It's a good time for some
people out there now.

Speaker 4 (01:26:10):
I don't want to challenge Doug's legal background, but I'm
just gonna venture to have a looking at this website.
I don't think it is legal at all to be
ordering these packs of cigarettes from a website that is
based in Europe, even if it is two packs. You know,
if customs find that, they're well within their right to
just take that and say noop, you're not having.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
That three dollars ninety for some mulbur red like I'm
going to look into Ciggi World, but I'm suspicious of
Sigi World at this point. But thank you so much
for you called Doug.

Speaker 4 (01:26:39):
Yep, oh, eight hundred, ay ten and eighty is the
number to call. I'd love to hear your thoughts. And
if you are buying black market tobacco, how easy is
it to get a hold of it? And have you
purchased off Sigiworld.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
That Texas says I worked at the International Mail Center
of for three years. On a daily basis, hundreds, if
not thousands, of cartoons of cigarettes from China would come
down the male screening bouts. Customs were not interested in
let it through. As with other substances, the importer's hammer
the border with small packages, clearly knowing it was a
numbers game, and any that were seeing we're not followed
up with enforcement. That's interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:27:12):
Yeah, O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number.

Speaker 5 (01:27:15):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
It's an interesting thing with cigarettes because they are legal
in New Zealand. They're incredibly expensive, right, so you know,
as we started saying at the start of the fifty
dollars nearly fifty dollars for a twenty five pack of
what are we talking about here, they were of Winfield. Yeah, yep, no,
Winfield twenties thirty eight to fifty and for yeah, yes,

(01:27:39):
that's right, fifty dollars for a pack and not really
met us to the ground. But you know, fifty dollars
for twenty fives, right, but they are still legal, you
can still buy them, so it's slightly different than say,
meth and fetamine smuggling where it's it's not and it's illegal,
if you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:27:56):
Yeah, well, I mean they're quite right that it's a
numbers game. It always is it customs. But I'll just
read out the data we've got here. So in the
year to the end of September this year, there were
seven million, thirty two, three hundred and seventy four visual
cigarettes and cigars stopped at the border. That's up from
five point seven million in twenty twenty two. So that's
a heck of a lot of ciggy stopped at the border.
Seven million ciggys and cigars, So clearly they are stopping

(01:28:19):
a lot, just not all of them. Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call at sixteen
past three. Very very good afternoon to you. We're talking
about black markets cigarettes and plenty of texts have come
through on this one.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
We were talking before about this siggy world, and let's
be honest, men, tyre are very confused a bout this
because it doesn't seem legit. But anyway, it's called judy
free boys, free of duty. You can bring it in
and not have to pay tax. So long as you
stay under the threshold. Okay, So here there is another
one here on this So there is you can bring

(01:28:54):
in fifty grams. You can bring in fifty grams duty
free cigarettes for personal use. So what is fifty gram
I don't know how how many SIGs as fifty grams?
How much is a cigarette? Way?

Speaker 4 (01:29:06):
Yeah, fifty grams would be quite a few were your
own sigis, wouldn't that?

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
Yeah? My brain's hitting now, all right, I need someone
someone explains me some eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Can
you ring up please and explain this whole, this whole
situation about what you can bring in without paying duty.

Speaker 4 (01:29:20):
We need some clarity, yere, because this is complex, very complex.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
Because it's just messing with my brain. That these camels
are four fifty for a pair. That's a steal if
you're into that sort of thing. I mean, not great
for your laning. So let's be honest.

Speaker 4 (01:29:34):
No, no, exactly, not a steal for your health. Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty get a mic.

Speaker 24 (01:29:40):
Yeah, Hi, how are you?

Speaker 5 (01:29:41):
Yeah? Good?

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
What's your take on this one?

Speaker 23 (01:29:44):
Well?

Speaker 24 (01:29:45):
I can remember in nineteen ninety when I was a
teenager and some of us were smoking a bit. I
remember buying John Brandon fifteen cigarettes, packet of fifteen John
Brandon's for two dollars seventy five, So now that would
be around about thirty dollars. So you know, with that
huge increase and price, you can see why there's so

(01:30:07):
much tempt for people to get illegal cigarettes.

Speaker 6 (01:30:11):
And make money on it.

Speaker 24 (01:30:13):
Obviously, you know, yeah, when it's just open flather, if
you can, you've got a system to get them.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
In wealthy do you still smoke, you're going to make them?

Speaker 24 (01:30:21):
Yeah, yeah, no, but I've always Yeah, I tried a
few different brands when I was a teenager, probably the
whole lot of them. Every time i'd buy a pack,
it'll be a different brand, just to get a taste,
and you know, it's like one packet a week or something.
But then I end up roll these and so I've
smoked for thirty five years. It's always been roll your owns,
and it's been off and on. I've given up for

(01:30:41):
a couple of years year and a year there, and
now I've given up so many times I've lost count.
But to me, it's it's one of the great simple
pleasures in life. You know, it's it's satisfying, it's relaxing,
and it's comforting.

Speaker 6 (01:30:55):
It's a comfort.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Are you experiencing? How are you on to run? How
are you on walking up a steep fly stairs?

Speaker 5 (01:31:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (01:31:03):
Well I don't exercise, so I'm terrible two flights of
stairs and I'm huffing and puffing.

Speaker 6 (01:31:07):
But yeah, no, so I mean, yeah, yeah, you do.

Speaker 24 (01:31:12):
I mean the lungs develop a layer of phlegm to
filter out the smoke that comes in. But if you stop,
that just disappears. But and but that layer of phlegm
that will inhibit oxygen intake. So you do get puffed
if you're a smoker, that's for sure.

Speaker 19 (01:31:27):
I've learned that.

Speaker 6 (01:31:28):
But I remember a few years back, there's a there's.

Speaker 24 (01:31:31):
A few Scandinavian or Nordic tobacco websites, and I bought
myself a pound of chewing tobacco. It was about thirty
bucks and that came in and that lasted me about
a year. It was a pound of chewing tobacco and
you know, just the old and then so when that finished,

(01:31:52):
I tried it again the following year and I got
a note from customs and that hit me with like
a two hundred dollars duty charge for me to release it.
So it was like, oh, well, okay, I won't do that.
So I don't know how the first lot got in,
but that yeah, they are scanning it and they are
taking chewing tobacco.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
Like, so, do you get the same sort of nicotine
buzz does it make?

Speaker 24 (01:32:18):
Yeah, you feel it in the back of the throat.
You feel that the nicotine. But it's it's mixed with
sugar because straight tobacco and it's a really strong, rich
tobacco is well it's it's bitter and sour, so it's ye,
mold with sugar, right, But I mean it wasn't great.

Speaker 6 (01:32:36):
I didn't I didn't know. It wasn't doing.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
There used to be every every every bar in New
Zealand used to have a spittoon back in the day.
So people.

Speaker 23 (01:32:46):
Yeah, like.

Speaker 24 (01:32:49):
Western American, yeah, chewing tobacco. But ten years ago, from
the Scandinavian sight, they actually were selling a it was
a tobacco lozenge. It was made from tobacco and it
was really strong, and I got a few packets and
you know, that was straightforward and legal. But then the

(01:33:11):
governments in Europe decided some one. I don't know why
they decided to ban it, but yeah, that was quite
an interesting tobacco option, and it just dissolved in your mouth.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
Mike tried. Have you tried to? Have you tried to
stop smoking? In what ways?

Speaker 6 (01:33:27):
Have you?

Speaker 17 (01:33:27):
You know?

Speaker 24 (01:33:27):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
What message you employed?

Speaker 24 (01:33:29):
So many times I've gone up, but no, then after
a couple of years, I think I'll just go back
to it. So at this stage now I just like
a few roll your own cigarettes later in the afternoon
with a couple of beers, and you know, it's just
an enjoyment.

Speaker 6 (01:33:41):
So I'm not really damaging myself too much. But I mean,
I think the.

Speaker 24 (01:33:45):
Laws now are great, like stopping kids, you know, developing
rungs and teenagers, young teenagers, and the high price prevents
kids from access and cigarettes. So that's a good thing.
But just a couple of things to fear the coming on.
I remember through the media about ten years ago on
that law that you're allowed to grow your own tobacco

(01:34:05):
for your own use.

Speaker 6 (01:34:07):
Remember in the papers there.

Speaker 24 (01:34:08):
Was a guy down in Muchueko on Nelson somewhere, and
he had acres of the stuff growing and they and
they investigated them and he just said, oh, well, sorry,
it's personal use, which was extremely doubtful, but that's all
he said. So I don't know with the outcome of that.
But just one further thing is that a friend of
mine went to Jakata and I think with that Indonesia yep, yep,

(01:34:32):
and over there he brought back a few packets of
cigarettes and the cheapest chips like a dollar each, you know,
or whatever, and they mixed their tobacco with clothes like
clove oil. And the reason they do that is because
over there people can't afford dental care. And it's a
well known remedy that if you've got painful teeth, oil

(01:34:53):
of clothes, clove oil, if you dab it on a
bad tooth, it stops the pain immediately. So a lot
of the population they get ultrachuap cigarettes mixed with clothes
and they smoked them to relieve their tooth problems and
their toothpain.

Speaker 6 (01:35:06):
So yeah, that's just a sort of genuine information there.

Speaker 2 (01:35:11):
Yeah, very interesting, Mike.

Speaker 4 (01:35:13):
Initially he said clothes like you know, fabruck and I thought, oh, yeah,
that that makes sense, but clothes as much.

Speaker 2 (01:35:18):
But if you believe some of the pictures I've seen
on packs of cigarettes I used to buy back in
the day, the the the benefits for your teeth have
short lived. Yes, exactly. It seems a pretty horrible pictures.
So siggy World is a Chinese website selling counterfeit products.
Check out how many of the packages they have Mandarin
writing on the packets. To get to the bottom of

(01:35:41):
this at some point, absolutely, but there's no doubt, you know,
as Mike says that the excised tax on cigarettes has
reduced smoking in New Zealand. Yeah, and that's an absolute,
that's a that's a good thing. But really what started
off this conversation was is it getting to the point
where it's so high now that it's tipping people over
into the black market? And because cigarette smoking smoking, the

(01:36:03):
decrease of it, I think it's sitting at a stubborn
five six percent that isn't going down, and yet the
exos tax is coming and suggesting that people are now
going getting their cigarettes on the black market. And what
we've heard over the last we while talking to people,
as it seems very easy to just go and buy
some black market cigarette.

Speaker 4 (01:36:22):
Certainly does oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
The number to call. It is twenty six past.

Speaker 3 (01:36:26):
Three Matt Heathen Tayler Adams.

Speaker 1 (01:36:32):
Afternoons call oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty on
Youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
Good afternoon, It is twenty nine past three, Denis. Where
do you get your black market cigarettes from?

Speaker 22 (01:36:43):
Hospital?

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
What's the hospital? Yeah, all right, tell us more.

Speaker 23 (01:36:50):
Oh well, I've got smoking place there. And if you
were outside because I used to work there but a
few months ago. And if they've got you're outside having
the smoke because you're not allowed to smoke on the premises.
They have the smoking police out there telling you to
do and not what to do.

Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
Yep, So where do they Where did the SIGs come
in that you're.

Speaker 6 (01:37:14):
Buying from the hospital.

Speaker 23 (01:37:17):
That's where I got them from.

Speaker 4 (01:37:19):
Who gave them to you? From the hospital?

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
Dennis? I can't say, all right, okay, this is mysterious.
This is very mysterious.

Speaker 4 (01:37:30):
From the hospital. But there's SIGGI police that are taking
your ciggies away. I don't know where you going with this.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
I tell you there's little things in this world more
disturbing than when you're driving past the hospital and you
see someone in a gown with a drip hang out
their arms with a with a dart in their mouth.
That's a sorry state, isn't it. I think you have
to go a very long way from the hospital now
to smoke a cigarette, but historically used to see that
out the front.

Speaker 5 (01:37:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
Someone, that's a sad image. It's a very sad image. Well,
you know, it wasn't so long ago in New Zealand
where you're allowed to smoke in your hospital bed really
well yeah, I mean just about to smoke complaints. Yeah,
that's right. That's bloody. Subject's gone off the rails. So
we'll put that one to bed. Let's just say that
black market cigarettes they seem to be shockingly easy to get,

(01:38:17):
and that you know, the tax on cigarettes has done
a lot of hard heavy lifting to get people off cigarettes,
but maybe it's just now so expensive that it's pushing
people towards the black market.

Speaker 4 (01:38:30):
Yeah, fascinating chat. Thank you to everybody who phoned and
teached on that one. Coming up after the headline. Next,
have a chat about purpose in life.

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
Yeah, that's right. Let's cleanse the palette some with some
sort of I guess deep philosophy you might call it.
I heard Joseph Parker on my Costing breakfast this morning
twenty five years it said, be Mike Costking, Well, incredible, Yeah,
And Joseph Parker was talking about how he's got a
purpose in life and as a result, he's happy. And
I was just thinking about that, and it seems to

(01:38:59):
be something we're hearing more and more that if you
have a purpose in life, then you know, if you
have a why, it's easy to find easier to find
a how as they say, how do you find that
purpose in life correctly? And do you have a purpose
in life? And if you have one eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty, can you give us a call and
share it with us? And so maybe other people might
be have to jump on that purpose.

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Speaker 2 (01:40:38):
Now back to Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 4 (01:40:40):
Thank you very much, Wendy. It is twenty five to four.
Let's talk about purpose in life.

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
Yeah, that's right. Joseph Parker was on the my co
Hosking Breakfast this morning, and he seems very cheerful, and
he said a bunch of things that make me think
he's in a really, really good mental space, and he
has his philosophy right. He talked about not worrying about
things he can't control, and he can't control who the
next person he fights is, or if people pull out

(01:41:08):
of fights and needs to fight someone else. But he
was talking about his purpose in life, and here he
is this morning.

Speaker 28 (01:41:15):
I am driven and I'm motivated. My goal is to
become champion of the world. My next goal is to
become unified champion, undisputed. So because I have these goals
in mind, I'm doing everything I can now to prepare.
But I don't even know what's next, but I love it.
I don't know what's next, but I love it. I
love my job. I love waking up every day. I'm

(01:41:35):
always in good mood at the moment because I'm at
a deaficet in terms of eating, which means I'm eating
less food. I do get grumpy a lot faster.

Speaker 2 (01:41:43):
With the kids. Sorry kids, Sorry wife, But I love it.

Speaker 28 (01:41:47):
I love it because I enjoy what I do, and
it is purpose.

Speaker 2 (01:41:51):
That is a hell of her Quite so he has
a very distinctive purpose, a very clear purpose in life
of what he wants to achieve. But by all accounts
and everything you know, you read, and people that you
read that are happy day tend to have a purpose.
As I put it before, if you have a why,
then it's easy to find a how. But not everyone

(01:42:15):
has a purpose like Joseph Parker does. It's not as
clear to people what their purpose is. Do you have
a purpose in life, Tyler? Do you know what you're
striving for or are you just sort of treading water
day by day trying to stay off the vapes.

Speaker 4 (01:42:30):
Definitely staying off the vapes and the black market tobacco.

Speaker 2 (01:42:33):
It's a great question.

Speaker 4 (01:42:34):
I think I'm getting closer to figuring out what my
purpose is. I can't put it into words, but I
feel like I'm getting closer to getting to that point
where I am happy. It's not quite the right the word,
but I am more. I am more thankful for the
things that I've got, and I am leaning into the
things that make me happy and not getting rapped up

(01:42:56):
by the things that you used to make me.

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
Really pissed off.

Speaker 4 (01:43:00):
And I think that's as close to finding a bit
of purpose in life that you can, you can get
to it this stage, but I've still got some time
to go before I cut it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
Well, it's interesting because, as I talked about in the show,
my son recently moved out of home and that gave
me left a hole in my heart. I felt it
quite acutely, and I didn't expect to, and I've been
trying to analyze exactly why that was. And I've still
got another son at home. But I realized that since

(01:43:32):
the second that that kid came into this world, my
purpose was clear to me that I needed to earn
some money and make sure this guy had what he
needed and a roof over his head and food. And
in my head, I thought, I've got to get this
guy through school, and that for some reason, I decided
it was just school. I'll do everything I can, and

(01:43:54):
my whole focus on life, my purpose was to get
this guy through school. So when he left school and
left home headed off to university, I felt like part
of the purpose. That's what I'm trying to put my
finger on. I feel like a bit of my purpose
has disappeared. I've still got the purpose for the other one.
But you see that that's only another couple of years.
So now I'm searching around for another purpose. And maybe

(01:44:15):
that's why it hit me what Joseph Parker was saying.
He has a very clear purpose in his life, but.

Speaker 4 (01:44:22):
There I mean, he also mentioned a lot about his family, right,
his kids, and his partner and his wife, And perhaps
for a lot of people that is part of a
purpose is that you are doing things for someone more
than yourself. There is something out there that is greater
than you that you were doing it for.

Speaker 2 (01:44:42):
Yeah, So I don't think a purpose has to be
that spectacular. And actually no, I do think that's spectacular
what my father does. But he's the greenskeeper at his club, right,
love that and he puts so much effort into it,
and he puts theff into it because it's important for
the other people at the club that they have great
greens and it's and he sees the purpose of that,

(01:45:04):
and he is doing it at an incredibly high level.
So he's retired. Then his purpose became to make sure
that the greens at his club were phenomenal and that
people had a great spot to play on. And I
think that's given him a great purpose. It's a huge
amount of huge amount of work. So I think any
purpose has to come with struggle and a certain amount
of work. It can't be you don't get a purpose.

(01:45:27):
Your purpose isn't sitting on the couch. Yeah, that's never
going to be your purpose. Toil is part of it.

Speaker 4 (01:45:32):
That toil, but also that satisfaction from hard work and achievement.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
And you don't it never end, You don't need you
don't necessarily need to get there. Yeah. But anyway, Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty, have you got a purpose
in life?

Speaker 6 (01:45:46):
And what is it?

Speaker 2 (01:45:47):
And are you willing to share it with us? And
how did you find it? And is it something else?

Speaker 17 (01:45:51):
That?

Speaker 2 (01:45:51):
Is it something I can jump on as my purpose
in life disappears as my kids leave me. Matt needs
a hand.

Speaker 4 (01:45:56):
Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is seen number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
It is twenty to four.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty Matt and Taylor afternoons with the Volvo xc
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Speaker 3 (01:46:10):
News talk said, be.

Speaker 4 (01:46:11):
It is seventeen to four and we're talking about purpose
in life on the back of the interview Mike did
with Joseph Parker.

Speaker 2 (01:46:17):
Yeah, and I was envious because he on a number
of reasons. A he's, you know, a specimen, a very
talented man, but he had a very He's got a
very distinctive purpose, and that's to make it to the
very top of boxing.

Speaker 4 (01:46:29):
How relax did he sound? I mean, and going back
to what he said was his purpose in life. But
when I listened to that interview, I thought, man like,
for a guy who lost well probably would have been
one of the biggest fights of his career, and to
still have that philosophy.

Speaker 2 (01:46:44):
Yeah, he's an athost man. As the Stix has said.
He has an eleven to one record in the last
six years. And I think, you know, there's a lot
to do with the gut health and what he's doing
there with his diet. But also I think he has
got his philosophy right. My purpose in life, says Linda,
is to have my kids well rounded and settled before
I popped me clogs. Yeah, I mean that's purpose. That's true.

(01:47:05):
That is a good purpose, Aaron. It's on thoughts on
a purpose in life.

Speaker 15 (01:47:11):
Yeah, it's I guess it's starting with the why really
A few years ago, I got to go to a
talk in Auckland with Simon Sinek. He wrote a book
called Start with Why, based around businesses and stuff. But
my why is to influence you in becoming the strongest
version of yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:47:31):
So say that one again. That is what you said,
that's what you said to your wife. I just missed
that part, to.

Speaker 15 (01:47:38):
Influence you and becoming the strongest version of yourself right right.

Speaker 2 (01:47:42):
Yet strong across what dimensions.

Speaker 15 (01:47:47):
Or just words, whatever that word means to you. It's strength,
whether it's physical, whether it's mental, emotional, overcoming all that stuff.
So I'm a I'm a strength and conditioning coach, crystal
trainer and triathlon coach and nutritionist, and so I deal
with that realm every single day with people in particular overcoming.

(01:48:09):
And I like what I believe one of you just
did before about you know, there's there has to be struggle,
and I guess without knowing that struggle is no real
comparison to give you to understand you've had the overcoming. Yeah,
and also I think you want to be also said,
it's not really striving for happiness because happiness is like
they can fleet and they can come and go. But yeah, yeah,

(01:48:31):
there's something to be said for overcoming, whether it's something
as simple as a daily task or you know, people
I deal with, it's about getting up and down off
the toilet without without any pain, you know, like it's
it's it's not the glorified finishing nine man or or
be the world's strongest or those things are awesome as
well as Joe Parker's interview was pretty awesome, But it's

(01:48:54):
sometimes overcoming and the simple daily Yeah. So for people
in that strength realm, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:49:01):
Pretty huge because there is there is of course, that
saying that you're only competing with yourself yesterday. You're not
competing with anyone else. So if if you can be
if you can be better across you know, you know,
stronger across whatever dimensions from the day before, then you've
you've you know, you know, then that's a win for
for that day.

Speaker 15 (01:49:24):
And it's so I mean, it's so easy to fall
into the comparison, I guess you could say, especially in
the day and age you're living now, but but ultimately, yeah,
you're only ever battling yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
Yeah, and it's interesting with so, you know, I go
to the gym, every every second day. And there is
something about experiencing pain because it's very painful as you
push yourself in a good way, but you don't get
the you don't get the full up unless you've had
the pain. So so you were rewarded as you walk

(01:49:57):
out of the gym. That that reward you get for
doing something hard is fantastic. You get all these endorphins.
But I think that's the that's the truth. And I
don't know if you agree with not err and across
everything in life, doing hard things, whatever they are, that's
that's how you get the reward of contentment.

Speaker 15 (01:50:19):
Yeah, one dred percent. I mean, I you look at
a lot of marriages nowadays, like I think the percentage
is like fifty percent rate of marriages and divorced because
I sort of like, you know, throw out and get
a new one. But I mean, some of the best
marriages I have seen, whether it's in friend circles of families,
they've gone through some of the most hardships, you know,

(01:50:39):
whether it's infidelity or there was just struggle with the
kids or whatever. But some of those ones that come
out on the other side, they had so much friction
and so much tension, but they they were strong through it. Yea.
You know, there's so many areas of life where it's
you know, something as simple as as weight loss or
health improvements. You know, there is in a friction, you know,

(01:51:01):
as the discipline, it's they're not eating that or going
to bed earlier or you know all those things, or
you know, or biting your lip when your wife says
something that you're not too happy with you. That's kind
of it's all those things.

Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
And to struggle to dah well, I mean for sorry
you go.

Speaker 4 (01:51:17):
I was just going to say, to take your wee well,
to find that your your clarity of thought now is phenomenal. Eron,
but you mentioned you're forty five, and the speaker Simon sink.
Was that something that just clicked in your head? That's
that said, I know my purpose now.

Speaker 6 (01:51:32):
Look I sound forty five.

Speaker 15 (01:51:34):
No, I I am thirty stacks right. I've been about
I'm coming up almost twenty years in the sort of
gym industry and wellness industry from sort of having my
first flight till now. And it was something I always
strive for, wanting to help someone. And it started because
basically wanted to help my mum lose weight because she

(01:51:55):
had a lot of health issues that she's overcome. So
it's sort of started with that and a grew into
just wanting to help people. But I needed a bit
of clarity and that Simon Cinek meeting that was one
of the instances, I guess. But I've done got to
work along the way, just I guess, understanding the psyche
more and the emotion more, and I mean influencing you

(01:52:18):
to become the strongest version of yourself, I guess is
just a catchy phrase to just I just want to
make people stronger for whatever reason they need that strength.

Speaker 2 (01:52:25):
Not good on you, Aeron. So that's your purpose of
helping other people find their purpose And good on you, Yeah,
I say love that.

Speaker 4 (01:52:32):
Oh one hundred and eighty. Ten eighty is the number
of call. We'll take a few more calls very shortly.
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Speaker 2 (01:52:54):
It is seven to four. It's been quite a jarring
we while because we went deep into black market SIGs
for for about an hour and twenty minutes and then
suddenly pivoted into meaning and purpose in life. But Liam
your thoughts on purpose.

Speaker 19 (01:53:09):
Hey, guys? Yeah, purpose, right? I think it's a very
big kind of like question for someone to ask themselves
from going up. I mean, I think the one thing
that hit me when I was listening was like, I
find that I'm still quite a young lad, right, I'm
only twenty seven, and I feel like I'm quite privileged
to be able to understand that I have, you know,
found a bit of a purpose. It's a bit more

(01:53:31):
like I wouldn't say vague, but like I feel my
point my purpose is like it involves like more than
just something very specified, right, Like it's not just one
specific goal.

Speaker 2 (01:53:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:53:42):
My purpose, I would say, is like a creation.

Speaker 5 (01:53:45):
Right.

Speaker 19 (01:53:45):
I'm a very creative guy.

Speaker 24 (01:53:47):
I love art.

Speaker 19 (01:53:48):
I've grown up around art. It's been the one thing
that's kind of like kept me going. And I feel
like that would be to me, the one thing that
keeps me going, that's the one thing that keeps me
kind of feeling alive. And I think that's you know,
purpose is always something that keeps you right, like keeps
you just wanting to you know, see the next day
and move bond.

Speaker 2 (01:54:08):
And you're one of those people that's just compelled, compelled
to make art.

Speaker 6 (01:54:13):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:54:13):
I know a few musicians like that that they just
every fiber of their being compels them towards a set
and activity.

Speaker 19 (01:54:20):
Yeah, I mean, I would say it's like almost every
creative would really agree in that sense that, like, creativity
is definitely something that compels you to do something right.
Like you know, everyone has that thought of like everyday
life can be and can get so mundane, but when
you really kind of fall into your creativity or your creatives,

(01:54:41):
you create a side. Yeah, you really do find a
lot of passion in it and you find Yeah, the
purpose I think is like you said, your musicians, you know,
they can't live without making music or Yeah, do they call.

Speaker 4 (01:54:52):
That, you know, some people may call that flow when
you get into that space, if you're a creative mind
and you get into what they call some people call flow,
which would be as close to kind of pure happiness
as you could get.

Speaker 19 (01:55:06):
I'd agree to a sense. You know, some people, you know,
some artists, some creative have like a terrible time creating art,
you know, Yeah, you'll be making something and you're just like.

Speaker 6 (01:55:16):
Yoh, what is this? What am I doing?

Speaker 19 (01:55:17):
Like, what's the point? Right? There's definitely a balance that
you have to find, I think with anyone's purpose as well,
and from the creative startup say, there is definitely a
state to get into, yeah, where you know it's working,
you know that they are this is my thing.

Speaker 2 (01:55:31):
Yeah, well, thanks so much for you call Liam and
all the best with that. This is quite an affecting text.
I've stumbled through life fifty nine years without any real focus,
but was handed my real purpose last year when my
wife was diagnosed with lung cancer. I'm very clear on
what purpose is now. Henry.

Speaker 4 (01:55:49):
Yeah, thank you very much, Henry state. Yeah right, good discussion.
Really enjoyed that. That was a lovely little a palate
cleanser to finish the show. So thank you to everyone
who called him texts.

Speaker 2 (01:55:59):
I wrote a whole book and tried to find out
what purpose wasn't it? And all I came up with
by the end of the book was a purpose in
life most likely comes from some combination of if friction, gratitude,
human interaction, love, and community.

Speaker 6 (01:56:12):
Nice. I like that.

Speaker 4 (01:56:13):
That is a good summary. Hey, thank you very much
for today. Really enjoyed the discussion. Will do it all
again tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:56:20):
Until then, give them a taste of Kiwi from us
A spinning hey by the way, Yeah, join us tomorrow

(01:56:44):
for Matt and Tyler's one hundredth show spectacular. It's going
to be amazing. Absolutely, We'll see you then slightly check
it like you other first.

Speaker 1 (01:56:56):
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