Full Show Podcast: 01 August 2025

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First of August. Really bloody good show today, Tyler.

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Certainly was Yeah, fantastic chat about the FBI, whether it
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We have cobbled together a fantastic three hours of talkback
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Speaker 6 (01:29):
Hello.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Jason Statham the Rock and John O from John on
Bean have joined the chat fist too.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
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John on and Ben?

Speaker 6 (01:39):
He's no rock?

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yeah, he's no rock, but he's good looking man. Yeah, yeah,
he does it right. Come on, there are lots of
hot ball guys. So if you're bored and.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Happy with it, we'd love to hear from you. Or
if you're your man's baled and you're happy with that,
we'd love to hear from you as well.

Speaker 6 (01:51):
Yep, that is after three o'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, and you've probably heard that the US has slapped
us with a fifteen percent tariff. Why did we get
fifteen percent and the Aussies get ten percent? How serious
is this for our exports? And how can the government
push back or will they push back to try and
get it down to ten percent?

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Like our neighbors. Now, what's as he doing that?

Speaker 4 (02:10):
We're not, yep, and we're hoping David catch up with
Catherine Rich she is the head of Export New Zealand
to discuss that as well.

Speaker 6 (02:16):
That's after two o'clock.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
But right now, let's have a chat about the FBI,
the Federal Bureau of Investigation. It's sitting up a new
base in Wellington to what they say, strengthening andhassets at
Hunt Hants. Rather its cooperation with a key five eyes
partner in the Southwestern Pacific region. It has excited the
imaginations of a lot of kiwis. But here's a little
bit of what Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation

(02:38):
Cash Battel said after the announcement.

Speaker 7 (02:40):
Some of the most important global issues of our times
are the ones that New Zealand and America work on't together,
countering the CCP in the endope comp theater, countering the
narcotics tree, working against cyber intrusions and ransomware operations, and
most importantly, protecting our respective citizenry here in New Zealand,
at home in America and across the world. We cannot

(03:01):
do that without our partners here in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
So you know, all of that's sounding like fighting criminals
except for that.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
One little line there. Those three words, well, countering the CCP.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Well as an acronym a word. Yeah, you could you
could argue that that's you know, five anyway, countering the CCP.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
And that's annoyed the Chinese.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
It certainly has, so the embassy. Chinese embassy has hit back,
saying a topnote of the comments and described them as
part of a Cold war mentality. They went on to
say transnational crime is a common challenge encountered by all countries,
requiring cooperation to tackle it. On the opening of the
new FBI office in Wellington, that will be part of

(03:49):
the goal of that opening of the office. But certainly
the CCPP got a bit sensitive with those.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Well I the thing is that the FBI have been
here for a while now they're just increasing the operations
and so they have been here, they're just more here
now they're going to be more here.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
They are and you, I mean part of you likes
this because the FBI, and no doubt about it, and
presented in movies and TV shows they're bad as people
who work for the FBI.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, Sometimes they're useless, like in die Hard. You want
a dominicle, I give it the fb I. Sometimes they're useless.
Sometimes they're involved in conspiracies like the X Files. But
you know, you can't help you first, As I was
saying you, star I can't help my first emotions to things.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
And when I hear that the FBO is in town,
I think that's kind of cool.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, what's the FBI up to in New Zealand? An
FBI officer, But you know, I know it's a lot
more complicated than that. It's not just Cloudice Starlin turning
up to investigate serial killers.

Speaker 8 (04:55):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
What is interesting about it, of course, is that the
you know, the the FBI is, you know, it's it's
a federal law enforcement and domestic intelligence agency. So you know,
you're not you know, the natural understanding of the FBI
is that there's police and all the states. That's where
people try and run on the state line when.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
They've committed a crime.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
But if the crime goes between states, then the FBI
are the police then investigate that, right, yep. So it's
interesting that their remit extends to all around the.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
World as well.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
You know, they've had a number of famous operations around
the world the.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
FBI, haven't they.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
But yeah, it's interesting where the FBI ends and the
CIA begins and vice versa.

Speaker 6 (05:39):
It is a fascinating world.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
But I've got to say, gut feelers, I feel safer
with that announcement that they opened up that office there.
And I say that because, as we know, the FBI
has a truckload of resources behind them. They've got contacts
and multiple countries around the world, and they are very
experienced at dealing with some of the international challenges we're
facing right now. Drugs, triads, gang members, international cartails. That

(06:01):
is stuff that I look at our forces here in
New Zealand and think, are they really equipped to deal
with that sort of stuff.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Well, the FBI's key directives are counter terrorism, counterintelligence, cyber crime,
public corruption, organized crime, white collar crime.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
Violent crime.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Apparently the DEAs here as well civil rights protection, are
criminal justice services, international operations, the DA being the Department
of what's the DA drag enforce man. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
So they're down here, and of course we know that
there's there's more and more organized crime in that area
in this region in terms of drugs and coming through

(06:39):
the Pacific Islands and you know, maybe we need some
help with that.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
But is there something bigger going on?

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Like there normally is as this texasays, Call me cynical,
but my money is on the FBI being here to
stay and the government will miraculously negotiate the just announced
tariff increase back to ten percent.

Speaker 6 (06:56):
Maybe yeah, but been part of it.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
You know, we're going to talk about tariff's after two.
But you know, it has been suggested that the reason
why the Australia got a ten percent tariff and we
got a fifteen percent tariff was because there their closer
military ties with the United States.

Speaker 6 (07:11):
Yeah. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number call.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
How do you feel about this new office opened up
by the FBI, this new cooperation. Does that give you
some confidence that they have the resources and the skills
to be able to help us with some of the
big problems we're facing or does it make you a
little bit concerned that there's a wider game at play here.
Love to hear your thoughts. Old, eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number call. It is thirteen past one.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
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Speaker 4 (07:43):
That'd be very good afternoon to you. So we are
talking about the FBI establishing a dedicated law enforcement office
in Wellington. The director Cash Patel has been in the
country announcing that. So how do you feel about the
FBI getting a stronger foothold in New Zealand. Do you
think it is good to have the resources and expertise.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
The success Winston said that the part about the CCP
was never mentioned in the discussions.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
That's the part where Cash Battel said one of the
reasons why they were increasing their presence here.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Was countering the CCP. So Winston said that the part
about the CCP was never mentioned in the discussions, and
setting up this office with the FBI caught Collins and
him by surprise, bastards.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
It does seem odd.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Though, that the FBI would because the FBI created that audio,
they filmed it themselves. It wasn't an interview, so it
was a statement. So it was a mistake, no, crafted, Yeah,
but it seems unlikely to me that that the New
Zealand government wouldn't see it before it was released.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Exactly because it's the sort of a pr thing.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
It's filmed by them to be released to hand over
the information to the journalists, as opposed to a press conference.

Speaker 9 (08:52):
Right.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Yeah, you can ask questions, right, and maybe you get
caught out in questions, but you don't really get caught
out if you're reading prepared notes and have the ability
to edit them exactly. And I would have thought, but
I could be wrong, that that would have been, you know,
in negotiations with New Zealand, what the statement would be.
But you know, yeah, but they certainly seem to be
you know, New Zealand suddenly seems to be distancing themselves

(09:12):
from that comments in those comments, as you can imagine.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. I've got to say, though, Matt, something like
setting up a dedicated law enforcement office, even if it
is the FBI. Actually I'm I'm pleased it's the FBI
because I think strengthening those ties with America, and I
know there's been a lot of discussion about that, but
why wouldn't we why wouldn't we trying to be doing

(09:35):
more to strengthen ties with a traditional ally And they
talked a lot about the Five Eyes network that has
long been a corner point of a strategic partnership with
New Zealand, Australia, Canada, the UK and America. I just
don't understand the pushback from some quarters with trying to
build a bit more strategy and cooperation with the big

(09:55):
things that are happening in the world with the country
that we have been allied with for a long long time.

Speaker 10 (10:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
I mean there's a type of New Zealand that spends
a lot of time online that's very, very focused on
on you know, the back and forth between the two
sides and the United States that that might might might
be having co conspiracy theories around. But in the end,
you know, at at their core, they're a police force, right, Yeah,
so that's what they are, you know, they're they're the

(10:23):
Federal brew of Investigation, Federal being the entire country rather
than the states over there. So that's primarily if you
take all the conspiracy theories out, their job.

Speaker 10 (10:32):
Right.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
The problem is when they say countering the CCP could
cause problems.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
For us, because you know, the China's our golden goose.

Speaker 6 (10:40):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
It's a fine balance. One hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the numbered call.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Hey guys, the FBI opened an office in New Zealand
in twenty seventeen, So I'm struggling to understand why your
news team isn't aware of this.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
I think they are.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
There has been a new office opening replacing the old office,
but the FBI have definitely had an official office in
New Zealand for.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
The last eight years.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Just a little research will confirm this publicly available information. Yeah,
I know if people are saying that, they're I mean
you said Whenstbury Town is the highest ranking fee still
in the Trump administration that's been to New Zealand, they're
coming here. The FBI presence is being increased.

Speaker 6 (11:15):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
I don't think anyone's saying that there was no FBI
presence beforehand. Greg, your thoughts on this.

Speaker 11 (11:23):
Yeah, I don't think it's such a big deal. I mean,
we've had relations with the interpal for how many years,
We've had relations with the America's Security intelligence you know,
the CIA and so forth for donkeys years. I don't
think it's such a big deal. And you would have
seen that appalling story about Sama or the other night
about the kids have been traffic for meth and so forth,

(11:44):
And that's just prolifics down this part of the world.
Where does it all come from? Originally from China, doesn't it.
So you know you've got to be worried. And you
know my thoughts on the continentst Party of China, I've
expressed those many times before. I wouldn't trust them as
far as I could kick them.

Speaker 6 (12:00):
But yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Would you have preferred though, that the FBI is here
and it's and it's working against all those terrible crimes
and the problems that we have in the Pacific without
cash pattels, you know, mentioning the CCP because you can
you can do it without mentioning it. You know, that's diplomacy, right,
you can come down there. Maybe that's your intention to
be having a presence down here and looking around at

(12:25):
what's going on. But do you think it was wise
for him to mention that? Do you think it was
pointed for him to mention that?

Speaker 11 (12:32):
Maybe it was that we've been dancing on a pin
because we're trying to have a barb each.

Speaker 12 (12:36):
Way, aren't we.

Speaker 11 (12:37):
You know, we want to be aligned with the US
and the traditional allies, and yet we hang around We've
got this trade deal, which we've got too much in
hot with China and we've become almost joined at the
hit with them, you know. I mean people say it's
great for trade, but you know, they're a pretty awful

(12:57):
regime and we've we have gotten to bed with Hitler
and the Nazis before the war over trade. That's the
way I look at it. I mean I always had
that look at the poor people of be look at
the Hong Kong people, the wigas what they've done to them. Yeah,
I mean, we dance on a pen round it. We
kind it's the elephant in the room. Everyone knows the

(13:19):
normal regime I'm not. I'm not talking about the people
have made a great contribution to this country and they
haven't always been treated very nicely if you look at
New Zealand's.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
History talk about yeah, I mean, I mean the problem
for us, though, Greg, isn't it is that our traditional
allies don't seem to be as interested in buying as
much stuff from us.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
You know, it would be great if if you know,
Australia buys a lot of stuff from us, that's great,
but we're not getting you know, the UK aren't importing
a lot, a lot and America is actually America's right
up there at the moment.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
I think are they second? I think they leap from.

Speaker 6 (13:52):
The they our meat. Canada wasn't too nice to us.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
No, Canada has been terrible to us. But yeah, so
I mean, what's the solution, Greg, Do we go bankrupt
for our morals?

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Which is that?

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Do you think that's that that the morals are that
important that if we think that China's bad operators and
you know, it'd be hard people to argue that they weren't,
that they are under a dictatorship, which as a democracy
we don't tend to agree with. But you know, is
it is it worth just us, you know, plunging into
poverty over No.

Speaker 11 (14:25):
It's not. I know we've got to walk a fine line.
But I think we've got to stand our trade. You know,
we've gone to trade deal with the bricks and you know,
the good old days before the EU, it was like
an open market and those were the great days. Do
you know we were the seventh richest country in the
world at one time before we went the problems went
in with THEREU we've got to get them with people

(14:46):
like we're trying to get a trade deal with India,
which would be good. I think we're going to diversify
quite a bit, and that's that's.

Speaker 13 (14:53):
The thing I think.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
I think we're trying, but maybe we just need to
try a lot, a lot harder because you know, whoever
it is, you know, you know, we talk about we
we we sacrificed a lot in World War Two for
for the for the English and the for the U.
And then they so quickly turned around when they joined
the EU and just said get out, you're done. We're

(15:15):
over with your New Zealand. So you know, whatever you
think about certain governments, you just have to diversify because
you don't know what politically they're going to do because
you have no say of them. You know, they've got
their own governments and their own goals. So diversification, whether
whether China's bad or not, diversification is probably a good thing.

Speaker 11 (15:32):
Great. Yeah, American plays hardball on their trade. You know,
we had problems with them even when Bill Clinton was
the president, And you know, it is pretty hard at
the moment. But I think, you know, Todd, McCain and
Winston doing a good jobs to China. They're trying to
walk a very fine line. I mean, Trump's putting these

(15:52):
tariffs on like it or not, and he's going to
stick with it, and he's playing pretty hard ball. But
do you know that we've had training groups going on
at our police in the Hong Kong pleae. I mean,
so you know they could. People can moan and complain
the anti Americans brigade about the FDII, but we've had

(16:13):
the Hong Kong please In fact, some of them are
over here at the time of the mosh tragedy. You're
in christ Church.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
Yeah, thank you very much, Greg, So we have to
go to a break. Yeah, but to your points, you know,
we all know that Five Eyes network is long being
you know, there's there's been some targeting of Chinese intelligence
and that's long been a strategic partnership.

Speaker 6 (16:32):
But you didn't have to say it.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
You don't have to say that we're coming for the
CCP every on you we know that that's part of
the deal, But to specifically say it, I think that's
what may have had some of our politicians are stuck
in the head with it.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Just seems to me that it's unlikely as an accident.

Speaker 4 (16:46):
Yeah, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a
number to call. It's twenty five past.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
One, putting the tough questions to the news speakers.

Speaker 5 (16:54):
Some make Asking Breakfast.

Speaker 14 (16:55):
Non idea that's been reheated with a briefing paper suggesting
that NCEEA has failed to provide clear pathways into the trades.
Doctor Sandra Grays, the Tertiary Education Union National Secretary, look New.

Speaker 15 (17:05):
Zealand does unfortunately have quite a bad assay towards trades
and vocational education. We have this idea that if you
push everybody into the academic and into universities, we're going
to get higher wages, You're going to get a better
life outcome. So this is a system wide problem. We
don't take vocational education seriously and we really don't talk
to early enough about the mini parts that you can

(17:28):
take in your life.

Speaker 14 (17:29):
Back Monday from six am the mic, Asking Breakfast with
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Speaker 6 (17:35):
Very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
We're talking about the FBI establishing more of a foothold
here in New Zealand.

Speaker 6 (17:40):
They're sitting up a new office in Wellington.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
So are you happy that the FBI are having closer
times with our government? O one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. Quite a few ticks
coming through on nine to nine to two. Guys, why
would the USA give us ten percent? Or that's about
the terrifts, hey, guys. I was hoping the i FBI
guy was over here to take certain German copyright and

(18:04):
fringes back to the USA from John. They's talking about
Kim dot Com.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Obviously, I don't know if I can.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Dot com that important there the FBI director Cash Motel
comes down here to personally cup him and take him back. No,
not in great health, gime dot Com?

Speaker 6 (18:17):
Was he No, had a stroke and I think was
he recovering hopefully anyway.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Ah, Heather, you've had some interactions with the FBI.

Speaker 16 (18:24):
Yes, it's funny one. Going back into the nineties, I
worked for quite a large American company I won't say who,
and I went through the night and do you remember
when the tail and old tampering happened in the States,
sorry the Thailand old tamblets?

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Oh yeah, oh yes, yep, yep.

Speaker 16 (18:44):
And there was people were on edge around the world
because expecting something else to happen, and there was talk
of food tampering. And it's where my company came in. Well,
I sent the FBI. Or I was sitting there at
my desk, working away by myself at one in the morning,

(19:04):
and two fibbs strolled through. I don't you ever seen
what they looked like in a movie? They looked exactly
like that.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
So what were they wearing?

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Those wearing flat flap jackets and caps with the FBI
on them?

Speaker 16 (19:18):
No, no, they were there was before they fashion came.

Speaker 17 (19:22):
It was so long ago.

Speaker 16 (19:26):
Straight faces. They were scary looking dudes.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
Armed. Were they armed?

Speaker 18 (19:31):
Heather?

Speaker 16 (19:32):
They wouldn't want to miss.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Were they armed heither?

Speaker 16 (19:35):
No, I didn't see anything. I don't think they'd be
allowed to.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
They wouldn't want you to see if they were armed
or not. They would have been carrying something though.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Well in the movies they have that let's strap around
the shoulders, the shoulder straps of the gun behind your jacket, Yeah,
under the gate and so and so.

Speaker 19 (19:51):
What happened?

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Did they just have ehither? Did they just have a
snuff around and then hit on their way.

Speaker 16 (19:55):
Or they were investigated right through the entire company. I
don't know what the result was because I wasn't that
high up. Just found them so interesting. It was exactly
like you see in the movie.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah right, So how do you feel about them increasing
their presence in Wellington?

Speaker 16 (20:13):
Not worried one way or another. It's what they do
is what they're doing.

Speaker 6 (20:17):
Bring them in, you say, okay, there you go. Thank
you heither for your call.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
Yeah, thank you very much. O one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call in. Nine two
ninety two is the text number. Are you happy that
the FBI is getting more of a foothold here in
New Zealand? Love to get your thoughts. We've got headlines
with railing coming up there will take more of your
phone calls on.

Speaker 6 (20:35):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 18 (20:38):
You talks at the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's
no trouble with a blue bubble. Donald Trump has raised
tariffs on New Zealand, while keeping tariffs on the UK
and Australia unchanged. New Zeland and several other countries will
now face a tariff rate of fifteen percent. Challenges in
the creative sector and project delays are being blamed for

(21:00):
a proposal to cut about one hundred jobs at Wellington's
visual effects and animation company wetter fx EEA could be
adding to the country's bad attitude towards vocational education. A
new briefing suggests the current system doesn't support pathways for
students going into the likes of trades or hospitality. Cross

(21:23):
party support is greater. Independent oversight of Audangatomiti Kei takes
effect from today. A new independent Children's board is being
set up to oversee their agency and there will be
one single Children's Commissioner acting as an advocate. Adnedin Man's
been sentenced after drunkenly strangling the father of the groom

(21:43):
at a wedding using the man's own here not so
flip and fun lockdown, debt least dispute and recession blamed
for liquidation of popular trampoline park.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
You can read more at enzid Herald Premium.

Speaker 18 (21:57):
Back to Matt Eathan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
Thank you very much, Raileen so Jared Savage is one
of this country's leading investigators of gang activity. He wrote
Gangland and Gangster's Paradise, and he's recently released a new
book Underworld, the New Era of Gangs in New Zealand.
He's had a lot of dealings with the likes of
the FBI and the DEA for that matter, and he
joins us on the line.

Speaker 6 (22:17):
Now get a.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Jared, Hey, afternoon, guys, thanks so much for joining us.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
So, the FBI's presence in New Zealand, what does that
sort of signify in terms of organized crime threats in
the region?

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Are they growing?

Speaker 12 (22:33):
We've actually had the FBI, agents of the FBI here
in New Zealand for a few years now, likewise with
the DEA, and sort of signals are sort of organized
crime by its very nature is across as borders fluently.
So you've got groups overseas working with groups here and

(22:54):
the only way to really combat that is for our
law enforcement to likewise, the working across borders so and
very much shows that for the FBI and the DEA
to be interested in working with us, that the same
guy that give them problems are the same guys going
to gass problems here.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
So that's the interesting thing because you know, the FBI,
as of course, primarily a domestic law enforcement intelligence agency
operating across the states, all of the states, rather than
you know, state law.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
Informance for informants.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
So it's interesting for me because how does the FI
operate overseas and how does its directives? How are they
different from the CIA.

Speaker 12 (23:35):
I guess, well, I guess the CIA is intelligence gathering
and sty kind of stuff, right, whereas FBI is law enforcement. Clearly,
the FBI can't arrest anybody here in New Zealand. But
what they are doing working and the DEA is working
alongside the likes of the New Zealand Police in particularly

(23:56):
not G which is the National Organized Crime Group and
customs and so.

Speaker 13 (24:01):
There'll be a lot of information sharing and all. There
will be a lot of intelligence sharing.

Speaker 12 (24:05):
They will be the FBI will be you know, and
the DA will be looking at, you know, the cartels
essentially the sort of manufacturing and distributing large amounts of
me think, cocaine from Mexico up into the States because
because those because the cartels are a problem for the States.

Speaker 13 (24:26):
I guess the FBI.

Speaker 12 (24:27):
Can sort of justify that and say, well, if we're
investigating the cartels sending gear to Australia and New Zealand,
you know that that sort of fulfills their mandate, I
suppose by sort of shutting down operations at both ends,
if you will.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
So the d A, d A being the drug enforcement agency.

Speaker 12 (24:48):
Yeah, administration, I believe, but yeah, the DA, so that's
you know, so they you know, and they are you know,
complimentary sort of agencies you know from the States, obviously
famous from you know the Narcos shows and things like that.

Speaker 13 (25:04):
So and and they've been there for probably five six
years now.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
Dana Wellington, we are speaking to Jared Savage, investigative reporter
with the New Zealand Herald. Jared, I know you covered
this extensively. It was called Operation Trojan Shield and for
those who may not remember, that was the ANOM system
that was set up. But that was an example of
cooperation not just with US, but other jurisdictions around the world,

(25:29):
right with the FBI.

Speaker 13 (25:31):
Correct.

Speaker 12 (25:32):
So that was a huge global operation led by the
FBI and the Australian Federal Police it's the AFP.

Speaker 13 (25:39):
And so what they.

Speaker 12 (25:40):
Did was, you know, organized crime groups around the world
were you know, law enforcement was struggling to intercept their communications.

Speaker 13 (25:48):
Everyone was using sort of dedicated encrypted.

Speaker 12 (25:51):
Devices which were impossible to intercept live and FBI I
think quite a bit of time for a shut down
these different sort of technologies. One was called Fantom Secure,
another one was called sky ECC and as part of
those ongoing investigations, they actually essentially created a new encryptive

(26:12):
device themselves, or at platform i should say, which they
kind of secretly fed.

Speaker 6 (26:18):
Out into the Underworld's brilliant.

Speaker 13 (26:20):
And these guys, yeah, it's brilliant. These guys started using it.

Speaker 12 (26:23):
And you know, this is literally twenty countries around the world,
thousands of people using it, and they all thought it
was safe.

Speaker 13 (26:31):
That they're all talking to their buddies.

Speaker 12 (26:33):
Organizing drug deals, organizing hits, organizing money laundering.

Speaker 13 (26:39):
So you know, they all thought it was top secret.
Nobody knew about it. It was safe. But basically a carbon
copy of every single.

Speaker 12 (26:46):
Message and photographsent was going to the FBI and they
were running this for a couple of years.

Speaker 13 (26:53):
It's still going through the court seats. I've got to
be a wee bit careful, but.

Speaker 12 (26:56):
It's essentially the police here were investigating some of these
some of these groups independently of the FBI and struggling,
you know, and really grinding quite hard to gather evidence,
and then at some point along the line of the
FBI has called them in for a meeting and said, hey, look, guys,
you know the guys that you're looking into, Well, here's

(27:18):
some evidence that you might think is quite useful, and
that led to a whole bunch of arrest sort of
middle of twenty twenty one around the world. I think
something like a thousand or twelve.

Speaker 13 (27:30):
Hundred charges laid here in New Zealand.

Speaker 12 (27:33):
It's huge, and it's an example of the sorts.

Speaker 13 (27:37):
Of cooperation that you know, we can.

Speaker 12 (27:40):
You know that that New Zealand has already been getting
with the FBI, and I sort of suspect that the
beefing up on this office will lead to more of
those kinds of.

Speaker 13 (27:51):
You know, collaboration if you will.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
Yeah, well that was cool, mission impossible style of stuff,
wasn't it. But so, you know, there's been a lot of.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Talk about it, and of course cash Mittel said one
of the reasons they were here was countering the CCP.
How is how is their position here countering the cc P?
You know, there's drug syndicates, there's this cyber crime, these
talks of trafficking and terrible human atrocities happening across the Pacific.
But what does he mean by countering the CCP.

Speaker 13 (28:20):
Well, I don't.

Speaker 12 (28:23):
No. I imagine that's something that our politicians would not wanted
to say, given that, you know, China is one of
our big trade partners that clearly China has a huge
influence in the Pacific region. Now, US, you know, want
to maintain those tires of US, and I guess you know,
from from the New Zealand's perspective, we probably do want

(28:45):
to know. The main sort of justifications for allowing the
FBI to operate here is is that transnational organized climes
up that's where they can help us the most. And
they probably yeah, anything to do with with the CCP
is probably something that they would rather hit those discussions
behind closed doors, I imagine, So maybe something a little

(29:08):
bit of a plemanic float party.

Speaker 6 (29:11):
Are you like?

Speaker 2 (29:12):
And finally, are you concerned as many people on the
text machine are about a foreign law enforcement agency.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Increasing its operations here. Does it in some way undermine
our domestic law enforcement or do you think it's just
another great tool to smash the bad guys.

Speaker 12 (29:27):
I'm probably in the ladder, to be honest, and I
think we've actually had the FBO here for quite quite
a few years now, sort of in behind the scenes
on you know, quite a lot of sort of big
drug operations, but probably we're probably unaware of sort of
their influence and saying well, hey, guys, you might want
to We've heard about this shipment coming in.

Speaker 13 (29:48):
You might want to, you might want to get onto it.

Speaker 12 (29:50):
It's probably sort of kept in the in the back,
in the back of everyone's you know, kept in the dark.

Speaker 13 (29:57):
I suppose this is a.

Speaker 12 (29:59):
Strengthening of that, as long as they are sort of
getting us to do any sort of dodgy you know,
black mask stuff over the people's heads and send them.

Speaker 13 (30:10):
Off to a black side. I'm not I'm not too
worried about it to me, and I think it's something
that we need.

Speaker 12 (30:16):
Organized crimes as a serious threat here in New Zealand
from these offshore guys that we can't deal with by ourselves.

Speaker 13 (30:23):
So yeah, I think I think it's a positive.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Yeah, well, there's there's no jurisdiction, as you said before,
there's no no erist powers here, so they can't be
like putting hods over people's heads, throwing them to the
back of panel vans and then taking them to the
important flying them out. But then again, things like that
have ended in the past.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Yeah, am I just watching? Am I thinking of a
movie I watch?

Speaker 6 (30:43):
It's pretty cool though, pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
Jared, really good to get your expertise as always. Thanks
for catching up with us. And just before we let
you go, are your new book Underworld, The New Era
of Gangs in New Zealand.

Speaker 6 (30:54):
Congratulations on that book. Can people buy it in bookstores now?

Speaker 18 (30:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (30:58):
Mate, online book stores, Spotify get into it.

Speaker 6 (31:03):
Love it.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
You're a fantastic writer and enjoy all your writings. So
thank you so much for talking to us today.

Speaker 13 (31:08):
Takes guys go well.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
That is Jared Savage, investigative reporter focused on crime for
the New Zealand Herald.

Speaker 6 (31:15):
It is Jim Asks.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
I wonder if fift By is investigating mister Trump's laundering
of cartel money through companies. Well, probably not from Wellington.
I wouldn't think, Jim.

Speaker 6 (31:22):
I don't think you get too much from here.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
I think they've come down to Wellington to look for that.
Then they're probably wasting resources.

Speaker 6 (31:28):
It is a quarter to do too.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Matt Heath, Tyler Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on.
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks. I'd be afternoon.

Speaker 4 (31:38):
The FBI is in town Orthough, setting up more of
a foothold anyway, with a new office in Wellington. How
do you feel about that at one hundred and eighty
ten eighties a number to call.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
This text of Brands says, given we have New Zealand
police liaison offices stationed in countries all over the world,
including the US, why would people be worried about a
reciprocal program with the FAI having a presence here. But
it's a good point, and I think part of it
is that people are sort of forget because we watched
so many movies and we spend so much time online
reading conspiracy theories that we sometimes not that all conspiracy
I'm not saying all conspiracy theories are wrong. Just because

(32:07):
of the conspira theory doesn't mean it's not true very true. Yeah,
I mean there are conspiracy There's definitely been conspiracies, But
that's not my point. We watched so many movies and
when someone broiled with the FBI being put up as
a certain thing, that we forget that they're a police force.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
You know, they're just a powerful police force, and so
as this Texas says no different than New Zealand police
going to other countries, the FBI is here, I mean different,
and then their resources are much larger than ours.

Speaker 6 (32:37):
And their expertise as well.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Simon, welcome to the show. You think it's a good
move having the FBI increased their presence in New Zealand.

Speaker 20 (32:43):
I think it's a great move, Matt.

Speaker 6 (32:44):
Absolutely, And what do you think it's such a good move.

Speaker 20 (32:49):
I think it's another tool in our toolbox for you know,
crime fighting. I think its strengthens our ties with the
Americans and I just think it's a it's a good move.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
Are you worried about passing off the CCP at all? Simon?

Speaker 20 (33:04):
Well, when you say that, Matt, what do you mean
by that? Because I mean the Solomon Island deals yea.
And you look at the Chinese.

Speaker 21 (33:13):
Frigates off the coast of Australia.

Speaker 20 (33:16):
There's a big fregance of the Chinese and the and
the islands, and I think it's it's good for us
to strengthen ties with America.

Speaker 8 (33:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
It is interesting because the Chinese that the Chinese ambassador
released the statement today that sounded like it was written
by Ai.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Have you got that there, Tyler.

Speaker 6 (33:31):
I'll find that while we get this discussion.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
It is strongly worded.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
But the Chinese definitely believe in saying, you know, saying
all the right things in public and telling the truth
behind the behind doors. Right, Yeah, So whenever you come
out and say something like, of course, of course America
is an la of ours, and of course America's interests
are encountering the CCP, I mean, China knows that that's
not a surprise to them.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
But what did the ambassador say, Tyler?

Speaker 4 (33:56):
So the line here is transnational crime is a common
challenge encountered by all countries requiring cooperation to tackle. On
the opening of a new FBI office in Wellington with
a permanent legal attache. Because we have taken note of
the assertions by the American side as well as the
remarks by relevant New Zealand ministers in response to the media,
we believe that relevant cooperation should not target any third

(34:19):
party and we strongly oppose any attempt to make groundless
assertions or vilification against China out of the Cold War mentality.
Such acts or against people's will and are doomed to fail.
They loved exaggerating a few words.

Speaker 6 (34:31):
In that, don't they have the CCP.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Kind of so many words, it's kind of like no words,
wouldn't you say, Simon, I'd.

Speaker 20 (34:37):
Say, contradict some of their recent actions. Yeah, in my opinion,
I also think that it shouldn't interfere with any trade
relations with China.

Speaker 22 (34:47):
Would you see it that way?

Speaker 2 (34:49):
I mean I would be surprised, That's what I kind
of mean. None of it's a surprise for them. I
mean we have already had much closer tized. I mean
we remember five eyes, so a few more, a few
more FBI agents messing around Wellington. It surely isn't going
to change things, but it probably would have been helpful
if Chris Pattel hadn't said countering the CCP. Having said that,

(35:11):
I'm pretty sure that wasn't an accident.

Speaker 17 (35:13):
He probably shouldn't have said that.

Speaker 20 (35:14):
But I mean if the FBI end up chucking black
sex over people's heads and taking off at the airport,
that could be a good thing too, because some people
probably shouldn't be here, if you know.

Speaker 10 (35:23):
What I mean.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah, yeah, Well, as long as it's not me or
my family or you Simon, I don't think.

Speaker 20 (35:28):
I don't think it'll be us.

Speaker 6 (35:29):
For your listening, please take Matt, I'd love to see that.
That would be fantastic.

Speaker 20 (35:33):
Well, I actually remember the day's voodoo playing a couple
of nights viewhere they had They actually looked like the
FBI with his unglasses on late at night.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Oh yeah, that's right.

Speaker 10 (35:43):
We did.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
Used to run a bit of a sort of cool
spookd vibe.

Speaker 20 (35:46):
I don't know how you saw anything, but.

Speaker 10 (35:47):
It looks good.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
No, it didn't need to say anything. We're probably minding.
Thanks for you cool.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
You're a good man, Thank you very much. It is
nine to two. How do you feel about the FBI
getting more of a foothold here in New Zealand? Love
to get your thoughts back very shortly. You're listening to
Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Matties Tyler Adams making your calls on eight hundred eighty.
It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News TALKSB.

Speaker 6 (36:16):
News Talks EDB. It is six to two. Some good
teach coming through.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
So how do we benefit from the FBI being present
in New Zealand? If they are good at fighting drug
cartel and crime, then how come the US has got
worse and worse? As far as I'm a weird, China
has hasn't attacked anyone and we have good trade with him,
and Foreign Country secret Service should not be present and
if they do so, should Chinese Secret Service be allowed
as well? FBI also supports proxy wars. We want no

(36:42):
part of that. A citizen of this country. Where was
our vote for this regards lex Well, I mean you've
we've voted successive governments in that have agreed to the
Five Eyes partnership, but you know, have not attacked anyone.
I imagine Tibet in South Mongolia might have a few
words to say about that. Maybe fell on gong Yep

(37:03):
population of population. Yeah, you know, any protests within China
and I like that, you know Teneman Square, Yeah, exactly,
for example, you know, the suppression of counter revolutionaries. Yeah,
I mean you wouldn't say that they've been you know,
because they're not a democracy. We don't hear as much

(37:24):
of their dirty laundry out in the public.

Speaker 6 (37:26):
Yeah. Yeah, nicely said.

Speaker 4 (37:27):
And to be fair to Judith Collins, before the election,
she did make a point that it was important that
we have stronger ties with America. So you know, arguably
they were voted in as one of those platforms. This
is a good text. So I was asked out by
an FBI officer in San Francisco. He left a message
to call him I'd never met him, but he must
have seen me when I was hosting a boat at
a boat show. The message to call him was delivered

(37:47):
to me on a slip of paper. It was very
spooky but fascinating at the same time. Pretty sure x
Hubby wouldn't have been impressed if I'd gone on a date.
But maybe it was the ex hubby that this chap
was after.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
So he was using espionage to nab the lady good Man.

Speaker 6 (38:04):
Wow, it didn't quite work in that scenario. But as
when single three.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
When the FBI slipping notes, was it written in invisible link.

Speaker 6 (38:14):
Some sort of boat show in San Francisco kind of.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
Spy versus situation. Hey, look, if it worked for them,
I'd say hats off to right a couple more texts
and then we've got a new topic on the table.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
The sex is I feel safer with an American FBI
presence than if it was a communist China presence. I said,
I just want to express my thoughts the bad move
having the FBI coming here. What we do here has
nothing to do with the USA.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
They have their world, we have ours.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
They cannot just come and control other countries they think
they can ye yeah, although it seems likely they've been
invited here.

Speaker 22 (38:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (38:48):
Absolutely, But you know, thank you for your robust chat
of the last hour. Love that hour.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
I thank you to everybody who phoned and text on
that right. Coming up after two o'clock a topic that's
not too far away from what we've kind of been discussing.

Speaker 6 (39:02):
We want to have a chat about tariffs.

Speaker 4 (39:04):
It has been announced the tariff that we will be
anticipating America. It appears there might be some pushback on there,
but we want to hear from you. Oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. If this is going to affect.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
You, how why did Australia get fifteen percent and we uh, well,
I mean so why did Australia get ten percent and
we get fifteen percent?

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (39:21):
What do we do?

Speaker 4 (39:21):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. So the number
to call New Sporting Weather on its.

Speaker 5 (39:25):
Way talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Dogs.

Speaker 6 (39:34):
It'd be welcome back into the program. It is seven
past two.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
You guys got it wrong. Name of the show.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
It's not it's the mad Heath and Roger Adams afternoon,
people that weren't listening before. I went down to buy
a coffee for Tyler before and the lovely lady that
sold it to me and said, is this for you?

Speaker 3 (39:52):
And the guy on the show Roger? She thought your
name was Roger.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
And the funny thing about that, as I said before,
was that Tyler was all cock of the hoop about
when I went down there, saying, they love me, they
know her, they know they.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Know our order. Yeah, but how does she get Roger
from Tyler? It's a long way, long way, Taylor. Maybe
it's just this.

Speaker 6 (40:10):
Thing me in her hef you know, there's nothing in
It's just she calls me Roger. Oh, I call her
coffee girl.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
She calls you for that reason, that was she calls
you Roger. Oh yeah, anyway, and.

Speaker 4 (40:19):
Move on anyway, Right, this is going to be a
good discussion. We want to have a chat a bit
the TERRFF situation. So, as we now know, New Zealand
exports to the US will face a fifteen percent terror
for right. The White House revealed or revised rather it's
list of terrrists for particular countries in New Zealand has
now been put on that fifteen percent base rate, up
from the original ten percent earlier. So Trade Minister Tom

(40:41):
McLay he has said that he will attempt to push
back on that fifteen percent.

Speaker 6 (40:46):
How he will do that? Do that we yet to hear.
He's got to stand up later this afternoon.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Yeah, so we were celebrating that was going to be
ten percent, although there were some feelings that it might
be fifteen percent. But when you look at it in
raw terms, that's another one hundred and forty four hundred
and fifty million dollars we've got to find. You know,
it was around a billion dealing with a ten percent tariff,
So that's significant for a country that it's struggling economically.
You know, the only thing that's making us any money

(41:12):
at the moment is farmers. And you know, as much
as the US wants our beef, a fifteen percent tariffs
is not good. But what leverage do we have to
push back? And as everyone's been saying, Australia got a
ten percent tariff, why did Australia get a ten percent
tariff and we get a fifteen percent tariff?

Speaker 8 (41:29):
You know?

Speaker 3 (41:29):
And how serious is all this for exports?

Speaker 13 (41:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (41:32):
So o E one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
If you're in the export business, we'd love to hear
from you. How do you feel about this extra five percent?
Are you worried about it? We're really keen to get
your thoughts about the calculations. I've got to say, Tom
McClay did expect it might be fifteen percent. But for
a lot of people out there, as you say, that's
a lot of money that's going to be added to
a country that's ready struggling a bit.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Yeah, well, can Tod McLay and Winston Peters go hey, yeah, yeah,
you know that that whole Christ Battelkan situation with the FBI,
a new office setting up, you know, increased presents.

Speaker 6 (42:07):
It's worth at least five they're worth five percent five
percent discount.

Speaker 12 (42:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Love to hear your thoughts on this, particularly if you're
an exporter. It is nine past two.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons
call oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty US talk.

Speaker 5 (42:26):
Said, be.

Speaker 6 (42:29):
Afternoon. It is twelve past two.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
So as we now know, New Zealand exports to the
US will face a fifteen percent terror for eight It
was announced this morning by the White House they revise
its list of terrors for particular countries, and we have
gone from ten percent to fifteen percent.

Speaker 6 (42:43):
So does this effect affect you? Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
I love that Tom McClay saying they're going to push
back on this. I wonder what our leverage is, you know,
and how hard you can push back against the US
before they just go twenty twenty five thirty.

Speaker 6 (42:56):
You got to be careful. You've got to be very careful.
We're getting a few texts.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Be let's go, Chris, Hello, Chris, welcome to the show.

Speaker 23 (43:04):
Oh good, Matte, GOODO. Roger, how are you?

Speaker 6 (43:06):
I'm very good, mate, very good.

Speaker 10 (43:09):
What do you call that?

Speaker 23 (43:10):
Sorry?

Speaker 6 (43:11):
Asure? You can call me Roger as well, mate, Roger.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
Rogers is a good name. You should go with it.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
So the coffee gal calls me Roger, Chris calls me Roger.
It's gonna stick.

Speaker 23 (43:19):
Yeah, Now, tariff tariff is the kind of this is
ruined the day, ruin the week. This announcement today, not
just the fifteen percent growth, you know, larger than ten percent,
but where we're a small export. In fact, talk to
you guys before the company was called kind Faith.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Ah, do not it's this Chris, Yeah, great New Zealander.
I use your products you called do Not Disturb.

Speaker 23 (43:41):
Make you well, you're a great New Zealander too. That's right,
do not Disturb Sleep company. That's the new brand. And
we make pillows, dovets, sleep masks. Use the New Zealand
wool or Wise wool.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
I use look, Chris, I use all of those. I
use the masks, I use the pillows, and I use
the I use the dovet. I even use a doorstop
that you guys make.

Speaker 23 (44:01):
You've got to stop that, Max. Then you will probably
send me a bill for giving me a shout out
on the radio.

Speaker 15 (44:05):
Bit.

Speaker 23 (44:06):
But thank you, thank you for you.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Okay, so you explored. I am very well. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Thank you for asking. You export quite a bit to
the States, do you.

Speaker 23 (44:16):
Yeah, yeah, we've so, we've been running about three years
or so our sleep products under Conface brand, and we
have a Shopify website. We don't do any marketing, never
spend per cent marketing to the States, but we've ended
up shipping orders to direct to customers in over thirty
states in the last three years, and that's just through
like organic search. People are looking for natural, premium sleep

(44:36):
products that help them sleep better, big big issue in
the States to sleep. And when we sort of rebranded
relaunch or launch, do not distir, we thought, right in
the USA, it's our market. We're going to market, we're
going to target to grow. They love our products, they're
happy with the price that they're you know, we're currently
making them selling them for, and we can get them
there duty free or tara free because there's this deminimous

(44:59):
rule as well when you ship direct to consumers the customer,
and so we were able to send products there for
up to US eight hundred dollars in an order with
no tariffs at all. So when knew at some point
that mister Trump was going to probably stop that from
New Zealand and other countries sending their duty free, and
he's actually made that decision from the end of August,

(45:20):
so all of a sudden, it's going bang, we're going
to be it's charged fifteen percent on top of anything
that goes across the border direct to the consumer or
the customer. And it also gets really complex and how
we pay that, how we document.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
At what point is that paid that.

Speaker 23 (45:39):
From the best of my knowledge, we've been lucky up
till now. We haven't had to pay anything. It happens
at the border. But when you use shipping international f
right comanies like FedEx and DHL and ended posts, you
can prepay, you can pay as you can sign your order,
or you can actually shopify the clever website platform. You
can actually have it so that the client pays at

(46:00):
the other end of the customer and they know that
when they're looking to buy, and they're like, Okay, they've
got to pay the tariff, but you've just got to
make it very very clear what that tariff is. And
then they would get an email when the when the
product crosses the border or hit the you know lands
and customs there, they give an emails and UoS, you know,
fifty dollars on a whatever, it's going to be a
five hundred dollars order. Can't calculate while I'm driving, like

(46:23):
pull over and have an app but no, it's it's
it's from fifteen percent adds like our average order value
to the States would be two one hundred and fifty
three hundred US dollars, So it adds, you know, forty
five dollars to that order, and.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Will you have the leeway to charge the American customer
more or will you have to wear that?

Speaker 23 (46:44):
So we're going to test that. I mean, I believe
they will pay it because currently the USA customers don't
usually activate the you know, the good old subscribe now
save ten percent fifteen percent discounts that everyone does when
you buy online. The USA customers don't do that. They
pay full retail, which is great. And we also people
know this. We don't have to pay GST on export orders,

(47:07):
so if someone spends two hundred US, we don't have
to pay fifteen percent of that is GST back to
the New Zealand government and we usually use that to
offset the cost of shipping because the cost of shipping
right state is ridiculous. So you don't want to scare
your customer way by saying, hey, to buy these do
not deserve wall pillows. That's one hundred and fifty dollars freight,

(47:30):
so you're kind of charging forty dollars freight, and then
you use some of the GST to pay the difference.
And anyway, it's all of a complex, but for us,
we know that we're making a high performing sleep product
from natural materials that's premium. You can't get it anywhere
else in the world. No one else has the quality
of wall that we source from Wise Wall, So we
believe they will still they'll pay the extra fifteen percent

(47:52):
because they will want the best all the type of
customer that we're targeting will want the best product, so
they'll pay that little bit more. We might have to
give up some margin. My concern more is that the
border changes and the paperwork requirements and all that gets
a lot more complex, time wasting or time consuming.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
And does the exchange rate help. I mean, the exchange
rate is already helping you to a certain extent, but
that's sort of from an American perspective.

Speaker 23 (48:20):
That definitely does help. When we do a market research
there and you know, what they might pay for an
American made, American wall pillow ours is actually the same
price in the US dollars. It's really cool. So it's
just that freight cost. And if we're going to add
anything else to it, but the exchange rate can fluctuate,
we might have to look at sending palette loads of
product over there, and you know, using third party distribution

(48:44):
and logistics. But I've looked into that lately and that's
all gone crazy because of the rest of the world's
trying to do that too.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
Yeah, obviously, yeah you Tyler Roger.

Speaker 6 (48:57):
Oh that's me. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
My name's Roger. Now sorry, now, Chris, this is a
great insight, mate. This might be an unfair question, but
Todd McClay said he's going to try and push back
and negotiate. Have you got any thoughts about how successful
that may be?

Speaker 23 (49:13):
No, I guess the difference between ten and fifteen for
us when we're coming from a really small base. We're
just a young company, thankfully growing and these tough times
a recessiant. It's not a big not a big slice.
I understand, you know from the from the big players
out there it is, But I would still like it
to be ten percent, mainly because our direct competitors like

(49:34):
Australia and I think the UK are on ten percent
as well, so they ship a lot of wall products
from Australia and the UK to the US. So it
would be great if we're on the same level playing field.
But I think we've just got to we've got to
back ourselves known that we've got the best product, better
than those competitors, and we're worth it. So now we're

(49:55):
actually going to you know, maybe Matt and we have
to have a chat off air.

Speaker 10 (49:58):
Something.

Speaker 23 (49:59):
Might need you to do some marketing for us in the.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
US if you can, I'm happy to fly over there
for you, and you know, fly the flat.

Speaker 23 (50:05):
No no, no start up budget, start up budget.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
You forget about old Roger as well, Ris Roger, Roger's
disease as well. So question stream just before you go,
good on you. Your attitude's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
You just get I mean, the obstacle is the way
I mean, you could be angry about it, but that
doesn't change things, doesn't it. You have to deal with
what is put in front of you and as a
as a businessman, and am my your attitude on that.
But speaking of which, we can't let you go without
another plug.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
So what was your website? It do not disturb Here
we go.

Speaker 23 (50:39):
Yeah, this where it's computing right now, it's still under
kind Face, which is the original brand, and then it
changes to do not Disturb sleep dot com. As soon
as I finished building the website, Matt, so in Roger,
that's going to be this weekend if I if I
find some time in between kids support. But that's another
another hat that you wear as a small business owner.
But now the official launch date but do not Disturb

(51:00):
is actually in two weeks time. But if you if
you go now and your Google kind Face or your
Google do not Disturb, you'll end up at the same website.
We're just a small, small family business based in Avondale
and Auckland, make all our own products and sell them online.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
So yeah, good on you, Chris. Now you can make
great products. Definitely helping with my sleep, So help them out.
A sea fights the good fight. Exporting into the United States.

Speaker 4 (51:23):
They're good people. Kindface dot co dot n Z right,
we want to hear from you. If you're an exporter
in New Zealand. How are you feeling about the fifteen
percent tariffs? Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call twenty one pass.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Two, matd Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 6 (51:45):
Very good afternoon.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
We are talking about the fifteen percent tariffs and the
announcement from the White House this morning on those revised numbers.
That's gone from ten to fifteen percent. So what does
this mean for you if you are an export? Oh
eight hundred and eighteen eighty see number to call.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Yeah, and a supplementary question, why did Australia get ten
percent and we got fifteen percent?

Speaker 3 (52:04):
What Brett's says, they bought nuclear submarines.

Speaker 6 (52:08):
It's a good point. Yeah, we just need to buy
some I mengular subs.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
America looks at the balance of payments and you know
it's so close with New Zealand. If we bought a
couple of Boeings then we'd probably leave it up.

Speaker 6 (52:21):
Yeah, we need and we need a few more Boeings.
How are you?

Speaker 10 (52:25):
Yeah, I'm well, guys, how are you very good?

Speaker 6 (52:27):
And what's your thoughts about the teriffs?

Speaker 24 (52:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (52:30):
Okay, So I'm not an exporter, so it's sort of
easier for me to say I don't think we will
have a huge impact. We should have support that we
export premium quality goods, and I'm sure that is the case,
and those markets generally won't walk away from those goods.

(52:54):
I mean, let's say so they they'd be great products.
For the most part. I don't know exactly everything we
export to the States. But you know it's going to
be the good stuff and people aren't going to quibble over.
But I guess a little extra.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
I guess the problem is to Tim, if Australia is
selling some good stuff and we're planning selling some good
stuff and they have a choice between the good stuff,
aren't they going to go with the ten percent not
the fifteen percent?

Speaker 24 (53:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (53:21):
It is is probably better, and I'm not just being
a dick about that. But you know what would rather
have a New Zealand grown piece of beef or an
Ausi grown piece of beef out in a dirty, bloody, dusty.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
Well, if you ask me, Tim, definitely the New Zealand growth. Absolutely.
And so you think that's the way we do it.
This is the situation.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Whatever we end up with, maybe we can push back
and get ten percent, maybe it'll start fifteen percent, whateverver
it is, we just have to back ourselves to make
products so good that it offsets the extra cost to
the Americans.

Speaker 10 (53:55):
Yeah. Plus, we need to well not us individually, but
the government where the government is at the time. We
need to become a bit of friends. We need to
look at what we can do for America as well.
This is what this is all about. There's what he's
tariffs are all about. People have been taking the mickey
out of America for a long time and basically you know,

(54:21):
being not not on even playing field with them. So,
you know, if we need to make a few tweaks
in terms of spending on defense, maybe you look at
rolling back a few policies we've introduced in the past. Uh,
you know, Asia specific regions changing and needs shoring up

(54:44):
a little bit. We're very friendly with China and that's
a great thing. We should be able to be friends
with whoever we want. But let's not forget our friends.
You never want to forget your friends.

Speaker 5 (54:55):
You know who.

Speaker 10 (54:57):
Who've showed us up in the past. You know, pumped
infrastructure into this country, you know, around the Second World.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
War, like the Featherston town hall thrown up by the
American troops, a fantastic town hall, good times.

Speaker 10 (55:12):
A little more hospital, you know, things like that. So
I know there was then, but yeah, just not to
get our old friends.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Yeah, I got on your tim thank you for your call.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Just got back from the gold Case Coast and big
news there was the trade deal they made with the USA.
American beef will hit the Aussie market under the deal,
and farmers are passed off. Big fears South American beef
will find its way in associated with diseases day night.

Speaker 6 (55:39):
Yeah, that is interesting. I mean if it's part of
the deal.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Well, the US herds.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Massively truncated at the moment, which is why they're buying
so much New Zealand meat, so that they're not actually
growing enough beef in America to fulfill their need for
burgers meat. There's a huge need for burgers in America.

Speaker 6 (55:58):
Yep, good advantage for us.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Just look at your average America exactly.

Speaker 6 (56:01):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
This could text to here.

Speaker 4 (56:06):
Hi, guys, we import some machinery and having award some cars,
we pay up to ten percent tariffs plus fifteen percent
GST on price, insurance and freight. Fifteen percent is cheap
for exporters, so they're actually happy.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
Could you read that again?

Speaker 10 (56:18):
Sorry?

Speaker 4 (56:18):
Yeah, we import so Roger I zoned out, and we
import some machinery and have imported some cars. We pay
up to ten percent tariffs plus fifteen percent GST on price,
insurance and freight. Yeah, so fifteen percent is actually cheap.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Yeah, I mean people act like tariffs are a brand
new thing that Trump invented. But you know, as we
keep saying on the show, you know, we took Canada
to the World Trade Court, didn't we because they were
punishing us with tariffs.

Speaker 6 (56:43):
They did not treat us well, those polite Canadians.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Oh well, And that's part of the thing is we
have such good products and we're so good at growing.
Our primary sector is so incredibly efficient and good that
people are scared to leave our stuff in there, and
so often we are getting whacked with tariffs.

Speaker 6 (56:59):
Good point.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
Yeah, yeah, for example, absolutely, oh, one hundred and eighty
ten eightyc number to call it is twenty nine past two.

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Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 6 (58:21):
Thank you very much, Railian.

Speaker 4 (58:22):
So we are talking about the tariff, says, We now
know New Zealand exports to the US will face the
fifteen percent tariff, right that is above the ten percent
baseline that we were at. We will find out a
little bit later this afternoon or hear from Trade Minister
Todd McLay. He has said that he hopes to negotiate
and push back on those tariffs, but how does this
affect you? Oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighties
a number to.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Call this Texas says, I don't agree with term your
previous caller. It's definitely going to affect our meat industry.
The Aussies are fierce when it comes to hard nosed negotiations.
They only ever want to win. I mean, it's definitely true.
When you've done business with Australians like I have, they
do business they're way more hardcore, very competitive. Yeah, more

(59:02):
direct though, yeah, I mean some of the problems with
New Zealand businesses the.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
Failure to say yes.

Speaker 6 (59:08):
No, are we too nice?

Speaker 3 (59:09):
You we're too nice?

Speaker 6 (59:10):
It's got to be a bit more. Yeah, go for
the jugular so you can.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Get bled dry with it with not getting a no,
just going oh yeah, make you anyway. Yeah, that's a
totally different issue. Now, Sean, welcome to the show. You're
a great person to talk to. You run a three
billion dollar US import export company, so my goodness, you
are the absolute perfect person to be talking to.

Speaker 25 (59:31):
Well, thank you. We export. We load in two hundred
and fifty ports and discharge in about two hundred and
forty ports around the world in about ninety countries, so
I do a little bit of business overseas.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
Can you answer this question to me?

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Because we were talking to Chris from Kindface who exports
to California, and he said, well to America, and he
says that he has to pay the tariff before it leaves.
He pays it with FedEx. But other people are saying
that the importer pays the tariff. Who pays the tariff?

Speaker 25 (01:00:03):
Sean, Well, well, usually the seller has to pay the
taroff and then he would increase his prices in the
country it was shipped to to recover the tarOf or
he eats it, or if it's a specific product that's
required for a specific industry, sometimes the buyer will pay up.

(01:00:29):
But if New Zealand's exporting meat and apples, that doesn't
really qualify. Anybody can buy apples.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
So Sean from memory, I think I spoke to you
some time ago. But you're being very successful, successful in
business for a long time, obviously with the three billion
dollar yearis Export Import company. But you were associated with
gypsum at one point, is.

Speaker 25 (01:00:50):
It right, Yes, well, that is part of my business.
You shipped nine million tons of gypsum around the world
as part of this company. Oh yes, I think someone
in your media called me the gypsum king.

Speaker 10 (01:01:05):
Yes, yeah, we still do that.

Speaker 25 (01:01:07):
And when we were locked down during COVID, we started
Roco Science to have a saliva based test which was
non evasive, quicker and more accurate than the government based test.

Speaker 6 (01:01:18):
That's right, Yeah, remember that.

Speaker 25 (01:01:20):
Yes, your question here is about the fifteen percent tariffs,
And frankly, I think New Zealand's lucky to just have
a fifteen percent tariff because our President Trump is a
transactional president and New Zealand frankly won. Fifty percent of
people in the US have no idea where New Zealand is.

(01:01:42):
They think it's an island like the island Man off
the coast of Britain. But secondly, New Zealand is difficult
in terms of foreign policy. You've kicked out the US
Navy under long E decades ago. You're not tough with
China for whatever reason. But when you've picked your friends

(01:02:05):
and picked your arguments, it eventually comes fact will haunt you.
So I think fifteen percent you're gonna wait with lucky.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
So you think that is the primary reason why Australia
we've got ten percent and we got fifteen percent.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Is that they're closer to.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
America, they're more allied militarily exactly, and buy and actually
buy more weapons off America.

Speaker 25 (01:02:30):
Well, I'm not saying buying or selling, because you know
that's a movable feet. But Australia is always there to
support the US against China or support themselves against China
and our navy and our armed forces. We have a
lot of bases in Australia and in New zel and
they still don't let our nuclear ships and so it's

(01:02:52):
a quick pro quo and if you only want to quit,
you don't get the pro.

Speaker 6 (01:02:56):
Yeah, very honestly said, we're getting a few teas coming.

Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
And Shawan that say, part of the reason we've been
lumped with the fifteen percent is due to our gest system.
Do you think there's any truth to that that the
White House looks at our GST system and thinks somehow
that is a almost a tax on the goods that
come into this country.

Speaker 25 (01:03:18):
Well, I'm laughing because that timent is fairly visible. Do
you really think there's enough bureaucrats in America to look
at every what two hundred and ten countries to see
what their internal tax policy is and then base the
tariff on that.

Speaker 6 (01:03:35):
Yeah, the egos.

Speaker 25 (01:03:37):
I'm not saying this is a I'm not saying this
is a five minute decision in Washington, but it might
have been Healan or Fiji or Bukima Vassel.

Speaker 6 (01:03:51):
Yeah, so we got off lucky.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
Is there any possibility our trade minister will will be
able to negotiate or push back on this?

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Do you think sure?

Speaker 25 (01:04:02):
I don't think anyone will answer the telephone. Because let's
look back on Trump's first term. He had a really
effective ambassador, Scott Brown, where New Zealand was connected. He
was doing a lot of things with New Zealand diplomatically, militarily.

(01:04:23):
The ambassador that Biden appointed I don't even know his name,
but he was totally ineffective. So New Zealand really isn't
represented anywhere in Washington. You've had nobody.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Do you think that, you know, the likes of you know,
the news out yesterday that cash Pteli FBI director, who's
the highest you know, persson in the Trump administration, to
come down here. Do you think do you think that
would be related at all? Do you think that is
a olive branch being extended by New Zealand and the
way that you're talking about becoming better friends.

Speaker 11 (01:04:56):
With them.

Speaker 25 (01:04:59):
Completely separate. I mean they're not even connected. And I
think New Zealand has to learn that it's just unconnected.
You're not that big for anybody to really pay attention to,
which is good and bad.

Speaker 13 (01:05:14):
So I think you got the.

Speaker 25 (01:05:15):
Average tariff which is the same as europ guy, which
is great. And Ure cooperates with US.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Militarily, right, so we should be stuck.

Speaker 25 (01:05:23):
So I think you're on the coattails of other OECD
countries and say, yeah, yeah, give New Zealand fifteen percent.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Yeah, and we are a member of five Eyes, so
there is you know, there is a foot a foot
in that camp.

Speaker 25 (01:05:37):
I me're not really a member of five eyes. I mean,
if you look at the entire just send of six years,
New Zealand wasn't cooperating with five Eyes, and I doubted
five eyes. It was more like four and a half eyes.
A lot of the good information did not get the.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
New yum Sean's of usn't trustable.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Now, Sean, how is this going to fix your three
billion dollar US import export company in and out of
New Zealand? Is that you know you think we're lucky
to get fifteen percent. Is it going to fet your
bottom line?

Speaker 25 (01:06:10):
Tariffs don't affect me. I find a way around it.
Either the customer pays, or I fell to another country,
or I take a lower margin. We're making the mistake
here in New Zealand of trying to fight or argue
or negotiate with a monolithic government. If New Zealand is

(01:06:31):
selling products, you go to your customer and you solve
it commercially. You can rage about the fifteen percent, but
talk to the apple buyers, talk to the supermarkets, talk
to your distributors, talk to your meatpackers and explain to
them why it's worthwhile paying a higher tariff. So maybe

(01:06:55):
New Zealand eats five percent of the tariff and the
customer eats ten percent. But it's a fool's gain to
negotiate with the US government. We're so small as five
million people out of seven billion, nobody cares. So you
become commercial.

Speaker 21 (01:07:16):
No.

Speaker 25 (01:07:16):
New Zealand's looking at this as a socialist country. Oh,
we'll just talk to the government. So governments work things out.
If you want to make money, you go to the
market and sell your product.

Speaker 6 (01:07:29):
Yeah, nicely, see you go.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
Thank you, Sean, thanks so much for talking to us.
And yes, you know, it's kind of like a from
the big end of it with Sean to cress the
small end of it. Both of them are saying basically
that the obstacle is the way.

Speaker 8 (01:07:43):
This is what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
You sell to the customer, you find a way through.
There's no point in complaining about it. It is what
it is.

Speaker 6 (01:07:49):
That's what I don't well at business right. Thank you
very much. What a great call it is.

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
Eighteen to three Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call if you're an exporter.

Speaker 6 (01:07:58):
How does this affect you? The tariffs announced this morning?
Love to hear from you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Have a chat with the lads on eighty eighty Matt
Heath and Tyler Adams afternoon used talk, Sa'd be.

Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
Very good afternoons. You're having a great discussion about the
tariff announcement this morning. Fifteen percent tariffs that was announced
by the White House this morning, revised up from ten percent.

Speaker 6 (01:08:19):
Does that affect you? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
I tell you what, Sean was a very popular caller.
This guy, Sean is gold wake up, no, we go
Sean should be our foreign affairs minister. He makes a
lot of sense. This guy's bang on, we need more
alignment with the USA. This guy is one hundred percent correct.
New Zealand is very small. This Texas says American arrogance.

(01:08:42):
That guy's voice was grating, You're so small, blah blah blah.
The world is the US according to them. Yeah, I mean,
how can you be offender? So you're offended that he
said that New Zealand is small? How can you how
can you be offended by the truth?

Speaker 13 (01:08:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
How can we operate.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
In this country if we think we're more significant than
we are? I mean, isn't that the arrogance from us?

Speaker 13 (01:09:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
It's main character syndrome for the United States. I mean,
are we on the list of negotiations? You know, how
much time do they spend compared to how much time
they need to spend with the big economies Europe and China.
I mean, our entire economy is worth what zero point

(01:09:23):
five of a percent of the time that they spend
with China. Thinking about the China situation, I mean, you've
just got to play the environment you're in.

Speaker 6 (01:09:31):
You've got to play the game and you can't winge
about it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:34):
That's why Shawn's got a three billion dollar company because
of that attitude that yes, I face some challenges and
I figure it out, and I negotiate and I pushed
through because that is the aim of the game of business.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
You could be offended you if you said New Zealand's
not beautiful, it's crap and everyone here is an a whole.
But you can't be offended if you said New Zealand's
small because absolutely objectively is a small country.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
Matt, welcome to the show. Your thoughts on all of this.

Speaker 22 (01:10:01):
Yeah, it's all good. Yeah, it is a shame, I've
got to say, you know, and a winery and we
export probably eighty percent of our product to the US.
And wine is different to a lot of other commodities
where there's a definite, structured three tier system over there
where you you have to have a licensed alcohol importer,

(01:10:23):
a licensed alcohol distributor, and then the retailer. So that
fifteen percent turns into or twenty five or thirty percent
by the time it gets onto the shelf.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
And so can you just explain how that that happens?
So what each each part of the way through. They
take a cattle.

Speaker 22 (01:10:45):
Right way through that. Yeah, my invoice price then gets
added to, added to, added to, and there's I mean,
it's a wine. Is it such a discretionary item that
it's not like toilet paper or you know, medical supply,
something that somebody has to have it. And they'll look

(01:11:05):
at that, and they'll look at that New Zealand body
of seven yon bloc that's just gone up by thirty
percent and go and buy something from Chili or South Africa.

Speaker 6 (01:11:14):
And that makes a lot of sense, man.

Speaker 4 (01:11:15):
But a lot of people have said this hour that
we have a premium product here in New Zealand and
it's up to us to try and market that and
say we've got the best wine in the world and
we've got the best meat in the world. What is
it like to try and market and get ahead of
the competition in a place like America? For you, as
as a wine manufacturing as a wine grower, is that
very difficult to do to try and stand out.

Speaker 22 (01:11:35):
It's very very difficult at the moment because as an
industry as a whole, we have dug ourselves into a
hole with massive oversupply. There are people trying to just
give wine away just to get rid of it. There
are people in parts of New Zealand wine growing areas
and this is not an exaggeration. They are dumping wine

(01:11:56):
onto paddocks.

Speaker 9 (01:11:57):
To get rid of it.

Speaker 22 (01:11:58):
So it's hard enough for our particular industry. We're in
a huge oversupply situation, so trying to put the price up.
South Africa, for instance, of producing extremely good wine at
the moment, very comparable to ours in a lot of ways.
Their cost of labor and everything is so much lower

(01:12:19):
than ours that they can.

Speaker 17 (01:12:20):
Walk all over it.

Speaker 22 (01:12:21):
So that's fifteen percent to us. When it gets added
on to by a three tier system, it's a big deal.
I mean, I've figured out a bit of a way
to get around part of it, which I guess some
of you knows what irony winery I own. So I'm
just going to invoice my customer might distributor less and
then send them another invoice for professional services or something

(01:12:45):
and get the tariff lower. I mean, there are ways
to play the game, but at the end of the day,
someone's still going to pay.

Speaker 4 (01:12:51):
They post things into perspective absolutely, Matt, So to go
well and all the best to you, right we're gonna
play some messages, but when we come back, we're going
to have a chance to Felicity Roxburgh, she is the
head of the New Zealand International Business Forum, and ask
her her thoughts about these tariffs that is coming up.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
It is ten to three, that affect you and a
bit of fun along the way. Mad Heath and Tyler
Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 8 (01:13:14):
They'd be.

Speaker 6 (01:13:16):
Very good afternoon. It is eight to three.

Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
So how worried should we be about fifteen percent tariffs
imposed by the US. To discuss this, we're joined by
Felicity Roxborough. She is the executive director of the New
Zealand International Business Forum and she's on the.

Speaker 6 (01:13:29):
Line right now. Felicity, very very good afternoon to you,
hy afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
How damaging are these fifteen percent tariffs to our economy?

Speaker 26 (01:13:39):
Felicity Yeah, I mean this is a deeply disappointing outcome,
there's no two ways about it, and it is damaging
to New Zealand. So we've had this sort of so
called reciprocal tariff placed on us, but that's quite unjustified
because the US enjoys almost terrist free access to New Zealand,

(01:14:00):
so generally plays about zero point eight percent tariff. We're
going to have to pay fifteen additional percent in return.
Farm are already paying two or three percent, and we've
got to add fifteen to that. Some of our exporters
already paying that, so that's getting up close to twenty
percent in some cases. It's painful, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
Do we need to move on from the attitude that
it's unfair? Maybe it is unfair, but that doesn't really
help us. That's the environment we're in. Is the time
to just accept things and get on with it.

Speaker 26 (01:14:31):
Well, I mean, we're a small country. We benefit from
the rules. And when the elephants fight, the grass tramples,
you know where the grass. It's really in both our
kind of commercial interests and in our sense of fairness
that we carry on talking about what us a trade
policy wants like to call the international rules based order.
But you know, New Zealanders we believe in fairness and

(01:14:53):
we know that when you trade or when you play
a game or whatever, that there are rules that you know,
we all have.

Speaker 6 (01:14:59):
To abide by.

Speaker 26 (01:15:00):
And this is this is not certainly not within those rules.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
But do you think they care? I mean, do you
think Todd McLay that the Trade Minister will be able.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
To get this move.

Speaker 26 (01:15:10):
I mean our group thinks that, you know the government
should seek to try to re establish a level playing
field and he's been saying that this morning, that that's
what they'll try to do. But yeah, I mean it
does at the moment. The problem is it really does
put us at a commercial disadvantage in terms of some
of our key partners, you know, so Australia, UK, Chile,

(01:15:32):
and that's where that's where some of the pain is
going to come in.

Speaker 4 (01:15:36):
What would you say to business owners out there who
are going to be facing this, who might be a
bit worried. Is there support available to those people if
they are a bit concerned.

Speaker 26 (01:15:47):
Yeah, I mean I think most businesses that trade with
the US have been tracking this for some time, so
people have been getting prepared. Although fifteen percent is a
it has come as a surprise. I mean many were
expecting us to stay on ten percent. There's lots of
support I think through other industry bodies, the government. They're

(01:16:09):
running particular training for people. Also, this is the time
where people need to go to their contracts. You know,
we've all had contracts in the draw in the good
times and now some to get them out and have
a lot and see who pays what. But eventually the
people who are going to pay are going to be
the you know, the American consumers that those twists will

(01:16:30):
get passed on to them. So, you know New Zealand's
reputation for sort of premium quality products, that's what we
have to double down on because by definition, there's going
to be a higher price for those products. So we
need to make sure that we've got the strategy to
kind of target that premium market.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (01:16:49):
Very interesting. That is Felicity Roxburgh. She is the executive
director at the International Business Forum of New Zealand. Thank
you very much for your time, Vilicity, and thank you
to everybody who called in texts on that. I had
some great callers that do not disturb kind face and
Sean the three billion dollar gypsum.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
Yeah, and his advice was, you know, find your customers
and deal with the other customers, find your market, yeah,
and get out there I mean business person, because we
can keep saying it's unfair, but I don't know if
that's how we're going to get it across the line
and get it changed.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
Yep, it might just be the obstacle is the way?

Speaker 4 (01:17:28):
Yeah, we're smarter, right, great discussion after three o'clock.

Speaker 6 (01:17:32):
This is going to be a doozy. Is board beautiful?

Speaker 4 (01:17:35):
There's been a bit of a pushback from some quarters
of a cheeky billboard targeting those dealing with hair loss.
We will tell you what was said on that billboard
very shortly, but keen to get your view. Oh eight,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call New Sport and Weather on its way.

Speaker 6 (01:17:50):
You're listening to Mett and Roger.

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Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
It's Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk sebby.

Speaker 4 (01:18:07):
Very good afternoon. Do you happy Friday? It is the
hour of power for us. Always feel good at three
o'clock on a Friday. I hope you are too.

Speaker 6 (01:18:15):
And this is going to be a good discussion coming
up very shortly. Is bald beautiful? Is bald sexy?

Speaker 4 (01:18:20):
There's been pushed back from some quarters out of billboard
targeting those dealing with hair loss. It's by a company
called Esthetica, and the billboard says you'd look better Bald said,
no one ever.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
Yeah, I mean when I saw that, I was like,
it just seems nasty. I don't think I want to
do business with people that are that that that that
that they're trying to emotionally blackmail you into being part
of this, Like it's all business is trying to emotionally
blackmail you in some some regard. You know, I'll buy
a watch because you know, I've been emotionally blackmailed by

(01:18:53):
how cool it looks like a Formula one driver.

Speaker 6 (01:18:55):
Or something fair. It works, He's a good motivator, But
that one.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
I don't know that that that that's stunk as far
as I was concerned. So, so, what kind of pushback
has been on it?

Speaker 15 (01:19:04):
There?

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
Roger?

Speaker 6 (01:19:04):
So that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:07):
So this was some comments individuals who said that this
was an example cruel body shaming and that it is
unfairly targeting men for an issue they have no control over.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
Yeah, I'd also push back that people don't look good balled.
I mean, look at Dwayne the Rock, Johnson, Jason Statham,
very good looking man, Vin Diesel. Yeah, Terry Crews, yes,
I mean do you think Terry Crews. Terry Crews looks
so much better balled than he did before he was bored.

Speaker 6 (01:19:38):
He'd be nobody with a hit of here.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
I don't even know if Terry Crews is bored. I
think he shaves his head. I think he Terry Crews
what a great actor, one of the funniest men that's
ever walked the face of the earth, so good and
idiocracy and in Brooklyn nine nine, I don't think. I'm
not even sure he is bored. I think he just
looks so good that he shaved. I think it proves
the point completely wrong.

Speaker 6 (01:19:57):
Yeah, Bruce Willison is Heyday, Yeah, very famous ball man.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:20:01):
Seal Seal, Yes, he was a big one.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
Michael Jordan, Yeah, zint it in Zidan, legendary French football player.

Speaker 6 (01:20:10):
Lee Hart, Leehart our prime minister.

Speaker 5 (01:20:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
I mean, has anyone seen a Lee Hart and Christopher
Luxan in the same room to get conspiracy is potentially
the same person being a very good point.

Speaker 4 (01:20:21):
But we want to hear from you. I eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. What do you think about bald men?
Has it started to change a little bit?

Speaker 10 (01:20:27):
Well?

Speaker 4 (01:20:27):
Have you gone to see this company Esthetica? And how
do you feel about that billboard? Oh Waite hundred eighty
ten eighties the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
I want to know if you if you're bored and
happy with it, because I think I know a lot
of people that are bored and happy with it. I've
never heard Lee Hart complain about it. He's a good
grant friend of mine. And do you have a do
you have a bald man in your life that you
that you were very happy with?

Speaker 8 (01:20:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
And you wouldn't you wouldn't wish an extra hair on
the head.

Speaker 6 (01:20:51):
Love to hear from you. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten
eighties the number to call, But right now it is
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Speaker 4 (01:23:52):
Three, so is bald beautiful. There's a bit of kickback
about a billboard. It is run by Esthetica and it says,
I quote, you'd look better baled, said no one ever.
So the pushback from a woman called Sarah Richie. She's
an Auckland based author. She says, I quote the message
implies that being bored is something to be embarrassed about.

Speaker 6 (01:24:12):
Yeah, is that true?

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
Well, I mean it doesn't imply it. It's saying being
embarrassed about it, and get our product. It's trying to
shame and scare you into buying their product. Yeah, there's
no two ways about it, you know. I mean, go
for your life as a company if you want to
do that. I mean, that's the marketing decision you've made.
But I just think it's I just don't think i'd
give the money to anyone that is trying to scare
me into doing something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:24:35):
It's very Madman style, isn't it. Nineteen fifty style advertising
and fair works very well, But it does feel a
little bit like that. But what do you say eight
hundred eighty ten eighty And if you're bald, do you
rock your bald head proudly or are you a little
bit embarrassed by I'd love to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
And I like to hear from people that are with
bald men and are very happy with the way they look,
you know, and wouldn't want another curly little hair anywhere
on their body.

Speaker 6 (01:24:58):
Yeah, is your bald hubby? Sixy o eight hundred eighty
ten eighty can't you've been shaving.

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
Your head since you're fourteen? I understand, I sure have.

Speaker 27 (01:25:08):
Yeah, I got we're gonna heaters who. I was forteen
and they said, you've got a widow speak, give us
two powers, give the travel ground. And I took what
sort of his soul was to go piss back, and
she said, shave it. So yeah, I can go here,
but I choose to shave it every.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
Every right, And so are we shaved right back down
to skin or your is it a number one?

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
What are you? What are you running there? I can't razor?
And have you got a good have you got a
good shaped skull?

Speaker 13 (01:25:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:25:43):
Yeah, yeah, that's important.

Speaker 27 (01:25:46):
I mean I'll get up in the morning rub my
hands over my head once he has done, like it's
just yeah, it's just easy.

Speaker 3 (01:25:55):
Have you got one of those shavers that you hold
from above in sort of circle round?

Speaker 6 (01:26:00):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
Yeah, And so when you were fourteen and you were
shaving your head, so you're going through high skin with
with nothing on your head.

Speaker 8 (01:26:10):
You know what?

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
What was that with the questions asked.

Speaker 28 (01:26:14):
Here?

Speaker 27 (01:26:14):
There was there was a bit of racism, it about
how I looked. I guess I was in the multi
culture group for three years they came risite school, So yes,
there was, I mean clearly, yeah, I was the only
white guy on that go.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
And look, I feel your pain with the double crown
because I've got a double crown, and basically when I
go into it, when I go to a hear drist today,
basically there's no way you can tide it. There's no
way you can a tidy haircut with the double crown.
There's always a bit sticking up on a weird angle.

Speaker 6 (01:26:51):
You are a little bit ALPHI fish.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
Yeah, absolutely, And so so if you don't mind me
asking how long has that been shaving your head?

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
Then how many years have you started? When you're fourteen?
That's a good good innings.

Speaker 6 (01:27:09):
Really good innings.

Speaker 4 (01:27:10):
And so now that you know you're an adult, can
do you think you you get a bit more attention
from the ladies or from the men for that matter.

Speaker 27 (01:27:20):
I get my beautiful white person. Yeah, that's that's that's
the thing. She loves it so good.

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
She's never asked you to grow a ponytail or anything,
just for you know, for a bit of a lass.

Speaker 27 (01:27:35):
No, no, you're kind of yeah, you really.

Speaker 5 (01:27:39):
Like to know.

Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
Oh, good on, you can't smooth all the way see
right off the bat. So what was the what was
the headline on the bloody billboard?

Speaker 6 (01:27:48):
You look bitter baled? Said? No one ever? Well can't
see that he rocks it. That's fourteen good man. I
had one hundred and eighty. Ten eighty is the number
to call.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
Welcome to show, Greg, Do you get her?

Speaker 24 (01:27:59):
Guys are going very well?

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
And I understand that you're a happy board man.

Speaker 24 (01:28:04):
Well, you know, you don't get a choice whether you're
going board often or not. So you've either got decide
to get on with it, really, and that's what I
chose to do.

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
And So when when did you discover that you were
that you were going bald? Greg? How old were you?

Speaker 8 (01:28:19):
Oh?

Speaker 24 (01:28:19):
I was probably about twenty four.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
Was that a shock to you? Did you did you
suffer some emotional pain around that?

Speaker 8 (01:28:26):
Oh?

Speaker 24 (01:28:26):
I think you know, if you've got to hear the
hear and all of a sudden you're losing it. It's
it's not a happy moment. But as I say, you know,
you've got to choose to either be unhappy or get
on with it. I just decided to do something about it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
And what did you do about it?

Speaker 24 (01:28:41):
I just went to a number three, then I went
to a number one, and then I was sick of
doing a number one, so I just decided to save.

Speaker 23 (01:28:45):
It all off, right, right?

Speaker 3 (01:28:47):
You never thought about rocking the you know, the Captain
Steubing or the Larry David.

Speaker 24 (01:28:53):
No, not really, no, no, just you just got to
get on with it. Really, you know, you have a
problem with I've been you know, I'm now in my
late sixties, so and I wouldn't even think about trying
to get here now. Yeah, thanks, we go to parties,
I will put a wig on and no one recognize it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
So what do you think when you see a bullbird
headline like this? What was it again?

Speaker 27 (01:29:16):
Tyler?

Speaker 6 (01:29:16):
You look better baled? Said?

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
No one ever, you know does that because because this
woman that's complained about it said that it's it's cruel.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
It's going to make bald people feel bad about themselves.
Does something like that make you feel bad? About yourself.

Speaker 10 (01:29:27):
Great.

Speaker 24 (01:29:28):
Oh mate, I've been this way that long now I
wouldn't even give it a second tour.

Speaker 4 (01:29:32):
Yeah, is it quite a bit of admin being completely bald?
You have to do the shaving, the extra shaving each day.

Speaker 24 (01:29:39):
No, I just I use one of those close shaved ones.
So I just wake up in the morning, I have
a before I ever show, I shave, I jump in
and have a shower, and I'm off and gone for
the day. Your head dry? Simple?

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
Do you think that if you could grow here you
would still shave it? If there was a pill that
you could take tomorrow and you immediately grew here, do
you think you would take that pill? Or would you
be quite happy just to have that, you know, the
smooth feeling of lost your head?

Speaker 23 (01:30:09):
Oh?

Speaker 24 (01:30:10):
Probably, but maybe back in my forties I might have.
But now no, no, I'm happy, very happy with the words.

Speaker 4 (01:30:15):
Oh good on you, great man, like your style. Greg,
thanks for giving us a bars. Oh eight one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call if
you are baled. How do you feel about it? Do
you wear it with pride? I don't think where it
is quite the right phrasing there, But are you proud
of being baled. And if you've got a bald husband,
love to hear from you.

Speaker 6 (01:30:31):
Do you love it? Do you think it's sixty?

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
John says, Hey, guys on bald, just let me Dad.
He used to say, there are only so many perfect heads.
The rest have here on them. My lovely partner, Angela
loves my beautiful bald head.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
There you go, cheers John.

Speaker 6 (01:30:45):
Good on your John. It is twenty two past three.
Back very shortly. You're listening to Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 1 (01:30:54):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on youth Talk zab.

Speaker 6 (01:31:00):
Twenty four past three and is bald beautiful?

Speaker 3 (01:31:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
So read the bald Discussion says this text. I got
sick of the ball joke, so it ended up getting
a wig and love the new look. It has its challenges,
of course, keeps me warm and protects my skin. No
more ball jokes. It's okay if you are good looking
to be bored. I mean you've got to be careful
that you get the rug right though, because you might
move on from ball jokes to rug jokes.

Speaker 6 (01:31:24):
Very true and going to nail that part.

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
Yeah, I mean I guess I see, I see a
few rugs around, you do, but maybe the ones that
I don't see, you can't tell that they're rugs.

Speaker 4 (01:31:36):
Yeah, I mean whig technology. I imagine it's come quite
fast since the yearly rug days.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
I don't think anyone judges anyone for getting their here done.
Now to flip to the other side of it, if
someone wanted to get plugs or however you get your
hair fixed, whatever it. If someone saying there's a pill
you take, I mean, I know there's a pill that
there's a little blue pill you take for another thing.
But yeah, you know nothing, but no one judges you anymore.
I mean, I think Shane Warn, Greg Matthews, and you

(01:32:03):
know Martin Crow.

Speaker 6 (01:32:04):
He led from the front.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
They all leave from the front. And now, if someone
wants to get their hair plugs and then good.

Speaker 6 (01:32:08):
On them exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
But equally, if you want to go bored, then then
you know, yeah, no judgment, you're either. Good on you. Danielle,
welcome to the show, Thank you, hello, your thoughts on
this billboard and baldness in general.

Speaker 28 (01:32:22):
Danielle, Well, I am someone who has dated and married twice.
One of one of them was bald and one of
them had hair, So I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:32:33):
You know you did You didn't divorce the bald one
for being baled, did you?

Speaker 28 (01:32:37):
No? I certainly did not.

Speaker 15 (01:32:39):
But and I think bondness certainly works for the Jason.

Speaker 28 (01:32:42):
Stathens and the Bruce Willison of the world. So I
don't really agree with the billboard. But I would also
just say that if we changed the wording, and if
that billboard had said you look way better overweight, said
no one ever, and we decided to target obese or
overweight people, if we changed that one word, it would

(01:33:06):
never have passed the standards.

Speaker 3 (01:33:09):
No, Oddly it wouldn't have, would it.

Speaker 18 (01:33:12):
So why.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
I think we're more okay with hastling mean than we
are with harestling. Woman, do you think that's a possibility?

Speaker 28 (01:33:20):
Well, basically exists, and being overweight exists as a social
construct for both men and women.

Speaker 3 (01:33:27):
It's a very good point. I went to women straight away.
That was terriful of me.

Speaker 28 (01:33:31):
Yeah, that's so, that's that's lovely, that's the conditioned of
you to go in that way.

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
I was actually thinking, I was actually thinking of a
particular advertising I just saw like there was a Calvin
kliinb advertising with an obese woman on it. So I
was actually just one popped in my mind. I'm not
a horrible misogynistic No, no you're not.

Speaker 28 (01:33:51):
But if we had decided to fat shame obese people
and change that one word in that billboard, it would
never have passed.

Speaker 8 (01:33:59):
And so in my view, yeah, it is.

Speaker 3 (01:34:02):
It is the meaning do you think it's easier to
become thin than it is to become here? Suit? You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 28 (01:34:11):
I think that that's a very subjective question. I think
if you ask a lot of like vast majority of
Maori and Pacifica who by nature a heavy set, the
answer to that would we know if you ask people
in the Chinese population, who by nature are extremely slender,
the answer to that would be yes. So I don't

(01:34:34):
think that there's a broad yes or no answer.

Speaker 17 (01:34:38):
But I do believe that.

Speaker 28 (01:34:41):
That boldness and that sexiness or being attractive as a
state of mind rather than a state of hair.

Speaker 4 (01:34:46):
I mean, it's an interesting point, Dannielle, But isn't it
For a lot of advertising, that sort of message is
already implied, whether it is about being bored or whether
it is making people feeling bad about being overweight. You know,
all the advertising for a z empack, for example. It
might be quite cruel to say it, as you just
mentioned there, but the underlying intention there is that there
is a problem that you're overweight and ozempic can help you.

Speaker 28 (01:35:09):
Yeah. But the derogatory thing in that billboard that isn't
the first line. It's the second line. It's the said
no one ever.

Speaker 13 (01:35:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 28 (01:35:18):
Yeah, that's damaging.

Speaker 15 (01:35:20):
Yeah, that's damaging.

Speaker 8 (01:35:22):
It's the wrong people.

Speaker 28 (01:35:23):
This is empowering, Yeah, damaging.

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
This is I mean, they're definitely trying to make you
feel bad so you buy their product. That's that's what
they're trying to do. It's an interesting form of advertising.

Speaker 28 (01:35:32):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
Sometimes people advertise by you know, they'll sell a car
by showing you the lifestyle. You know, you're going to
drive out to the country, you go to the beach,
you do this thing, and so you associate happiness or
positivity with it. This is a type of advertising where
it's saying you should feel bad for the way that
you look.

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
If you're ball to buy our product, it's good and we.

Speaker 12 (01:35:50):
Do do that.

Speaker 28 (01:35:51):
We do do that bear based advertising with things like
drink driving. Those campaigns work, right, So that would be
another example of a socially appropriate campaign based on fear.

Speaker 3 (01:36:01):
That's one that I can back on on board with
those ones exactly.

Speaker 28 (01:36:06):
And so it's not to say that it doesn't have
its face, yeah, but it is to say that I
believe it doesn't have its place this in this framework.
And if you can easily tell that by changing that
one word from bold to obese and reading the same
sentence and find out what the standards committee would think
of that, well.

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
Thank you so much for you call Danielle great point. Yeah,
I can't believe.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
That you immediately thought it was going to be a
Bill Woodsho's describing with a woman on it. Tyler, I
don't believe that that's what you faced.

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Speaker 6 (01:37:59):
Thank you very much, Raylan, and we are will.

Speaker 4 (01:38:01):
We have asked the question as bored beautiful after a
bit of pushback from a billboard. The billboard says you'd
look better bored, said no one ever. If you are
rocking a chrome dome. We'd love to hear from you
on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
I think that the name of the character is Oh boy,
what's he's from? That TV show Criminal Minds? Yes, and
he and you watch because we watched. Me and my
partner watched the series right from the start recent and
I'm not sure what streamer zombie watching it from the start,
and he starts off with here and then and then
it's really discombobulating because you've watched the latest the later

(01:38:34):
episodes when he doesn't have here, and he looks so
much better without here.

Speaker 6 (01:38:38):
He's a freaking male model. There guy, isn't he? He
is a Moore. That's him, isn't it. It goes by
Derek Morgan, I think is the character's name.

Speaker 3 (01:38:44):
Yeah, yeah, so that guy that is that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
That's an example, great text here, That's an example that
totally proves it, because I just experienced that. I've been
watching the later series and I went back in your
head here and I went.

Speaker 11 (01:38:57):
Off, get it off.

Speaker 3 (01:38:58):
That a horrible mess off the top of your head, shemour.

Speaker 6 (01:39:01):
Yeah, what a great text.

Speaker 4 (01:39:03):
Yeah, sure, you've been a you've had a chrome domes
from mid thirties yeah, mate.

Speaker 8 (01:39:09):
Late twenties, early serties, and now I'm fifty.

Speaker 9 (01:39:12):
Bess thing mate, I don't need to worry about shampoo
or the likes of headlights and.

Speaker 16 (01:39:18):
All that sort of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
Yeah, it's a constant worry for me. Head lights, now,
I'm sure. So do you think if you could grow
here you would or would you keep shaving it off?

Speaker 27 (01:39:31):
Keep saving it off? Mate? Right?

Speaker 5 (01:39:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:39:35):
Do you use a bit of moisturizer on the top
of the head shorn?

Speaker 15 (01:39:38):
Is that you know?

Speaker 6 (01:39:38):
But it admon there?

Speaker 8 (01:39:40):
Nah, just go for it.

Speaker 6 (01:39:42):
And that's a some block or hat.

Speaker 17 (01:39:45):
Some block and hat.

Speaker 6 (01:39:47):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's important.

Speaker 3 (01:39:49):
Yeah, yeah, the old was there any point when you
were unhappy about it? Worried about it? I mean, obviously
you're very confident with in your in your in your
early fifties, but it was there a point where where
it concerns you?

Speaker 13 (01:40:00):
Sean, Nah, I can't help it.

Speaker 27 (01:40:03):
So yeah, my support it or.

Speaker 28 (01:40:05):
Do you go?

Speaker 5 (01:40:06):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:40:06):
Good attitude?

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
See, that's the attitud owner and and and that attitude
is destroys the spillboard. Yeah, this destroys because you can't
you know, you can't. You don't need Sean spending money
with you with you trying to make him feel bad
because he's happy.

Speaker 3 (01:40:19):
He doesn't here, he's a confident man.

Speaker 6 (01:40:21):
He rots it. Uh, you're very good.

Speaker 29 (01:40:27):
Lovely program.

Speaker 17 (01:40:28):
Love this love this topic.

Speaker 29 (01:40:30):
Actually, I'm gonna make three very quick points if it's
okay with you, love them.

Speaker 17 (01:40:36):
I wonder how the rest of the world would behave
if such a topic was put up. For Oh, Angelina,
Angelina Jolie, you don't look sixty because you've had double
mis ectomy. It's a it's a it's a it's a
medical problem. She had to remove her books, right, Ye,
men grow bold, women grow bold because it's a it's
a medical problem. So that person who's posed to put

(01:40:57):
this post, I think she needs to or she or
E or whatever they are, needs to probably look at
her father and just say, hey, emotional hum here, because
there's a lot of people who true through, you know,
over loss of here.

Speaker 29 (01:41:12):
It's not a very nice thing to go through.

Speaker 3 (01:41:14):
Yeah, I think, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:41:15):
I think the person that wrote the billboard and came
up with that, But I mean, did they feel good
about themselves for coming up with a billboard like that.
That's just trying to make people feel bad to sell products.

Speaker 17 (01:41:25):
Exactly now. Number two quick one.

Speaker 29 (01:41:28):
My wife that I we've been married happily twenty three
years now, made me when I was very bored, and
she stole my hair photos of my younger days.

Speaker 17 (01:41:42):
Long after we were married. She was going through some
albums a few years ago and she looked at my
photo and goes, what you look like with here? And
I'm like, yep, she goes, I'd never have chosen you
yo married. You know, if that tells you that I
look sixt year with no hair, probably yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:41:59):
I think I think that's that's evidence. That's evidence right, good.

Speaker 17 (01:42:04):
If you've got quick moment for a very quick joke.
It was something there was uplifting for me when I
was twenty one hours losing quite a bit of hair,
and so is this something that that stuck with me?
So I was only about twenty one and there were
a few boys who were sort of, you know, being
being reasonably nasty at a party one day, and I
had a good friend. He was a guyn ecologist, and

(01:42:25):
he's sort of like, tell us, shut up, would you
and just listen to me? And and and they all
sort of like all right, cool. He goes, what are
you complaining? About Raj by then, you know, I was
was pretty thin all over, and so he sort of
turned around and he said, right, tell us you there,
you've got a little bit of loss of hair in
the front. And the guy goes yep, he said, you

(01:42:45):
know what your problem is. I'm a gynecologist. Girls tell
me all the time you go too hard and they
use their hands on your forehead to say stop, stop, stop,
stop stop. You the losing a crown at the back.
You go too slow. Women use their hands to pull
your forward to say please more. Raj keeps them getting

(01:43:05):
front and back, cryme front.

Speaker 6 (01:43:07):
And oh Rush, oh goodness me, you can.

Speaker 2 (01:43:13):
I just have to take unpack that there a little bit,
right right, tell her what your Your third point was
a lot hotter than you first, so you.

Speaker 4 (01:43:20):
Can just see that straight to the BSA. That was fantastic,
Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:43:25):
All right, right, yeah, how are you?

Speaker 19 (01:43:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:43:31):
Yeah, sorry, we just need a bit of a moment
to decompress after that. But that was beautiful from Rush.

Speaker 3 (01:43:36):
But a paper I'm trying to work out what yeah, yeah,
so THEO what are you running in terms of here?

Speaker 8 (01:43:45):
Well, it's interesting I've done the full circle, really, you know,
go back to the early seventies, you'd sold link here.
Everybody you know just say it was. And you've got
to watch those double crowns though, because eventually they joined
up and you end up with one messive crown that
turned into a lovely bull spot. But the great thing
about it is you don't get to see it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
It's funny say that because when I get a haircut always,
it's always interesting when they throw show around the back
and I'm like, I wonder if I've gone board.

Speaker 8 (01:44:18):
Yeah, yeah, that's about It's about the only time I've
seen mine. But anyway, you know, I thought, you know,
maybe as the years went.

Speaker 9 (01:44:26):
By, I thought, let's go for a number four and
number three.

Speaker 8 (01:44:28):
I eventually got down to a two and a one
and then a north and of the not didn't look
very good at all. Tried the absolute ball cut and
that was it was horrible, absolutely horrible on me. It
depends on the shape of your head. Like Dylan Edwards,
you know, he's the old Pedderith fullback there he saved

(01:44:50):
all his head this year. It looks horrible on the front.

Speaker 6 (01:44:55):
Now, yeah, I mean it's kind of like the Tan's
not quite all over the head. Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 11 (01:45:00):
Can?

Speaker 3 (01:45:01):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 9 (01:45:03):
He looked like he looked he looked like he'd been
hit with a can of the du looks waiting mammal
on the.

Speaker 3 (01:45:11):
He looks all right, he's got his head's any it's
a it's a bit of a little peak at the top.

Speaker 17 (01:45:20):
That's not quite right.

Speaker 9 (01:45:21):
You've got to be good looking. That brought me out
so I wouldn't had a haircut the other day, and
I thought, the hell with these other twos, threes and
fours whatever, Just gonna be an old.

Speaker 16 (01:45:31):
Haircut, and that looks much better.

Speaker 8 (01:45:34):
I feel I filled all them again.

Speaker 3 (01:45:36):
So where now? You said it like you're at a ford?
Did you say?

Speaker 25 (01:45:41):
What?

Speaker 6 (01:45:43):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:45:43):
Where are you at? With you here? Right now?

Speaker 8 (01:45:44):
So great?

Speaker 9 (01:45:47):
Everywhere except for the the double crown.

Speaker 3 (01:45:50):
Yeah right, joined up as one. You've just got a
little bit of a patch at the back, that's all is.

Speaker 9 (01:45:59):
So now I've dropped the number two threes and ones.

Speaker 8 (01:46:04):
And I've just gone for a normal brilliant yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:46:08):
Yeah, I mean, what does it matter so that it's
a vitamin D pet when you're walking around just to
get a little bit more vitamin D into the system.
It's a little solar panels that that CEO.

Speaker 6 (01:46:21):
You're a good man. Thank you very much. I think
we've got time for Andrew. Get a Andrew. You how
you doing?

Speaker 11 (01:46:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:46:30):
Good, you're bored and proud.

Speaker 17 (01:46:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:46:33):
My dad assured of all three of us boys that
would have the same haircutters in, which was a captain stubing,
and we've all got a captain stubing. I have cut
up with a razor in the past, but since I
split with Mate's wife, any partner I've had since thinks
that makes me look hard, which is hilarious because I've

(01:46:54):
got so many smile lines. I don't know how I
could ever look hard. So I just rock the captain stubing,
and when it gets about a centimeter long, I feel
like a long headed outside.

Speaker 23 (01:47:04):
Give it a number one and I carry on.

Speaker 21 (01:47:07):
But I've never had I've One of my jokes is
I've never had a woman complain about the lack of
hair on my head or the amount of it on
my back, because that's not what counts. And the men
that seem to be concerned about boards, funnily enough, seemed
to be the ones that still have it. So I
haven't met many insecure men who are bored.

Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
Yeah, so good on.

Speaker 4 (01:47:30):
Your Andrew very nicely said spot on Andrew. Yeah, sorry, mate,
we're gonna go because we've got Alex Palell standing by.
But thank you very much, and thank you everybody who
called a text on that. I think it's pretty pretty
straight up. Bord is beautiful if you're confident, if you
love it, yeah, go for gold.

Speaker 3 (01:47:47):
Yeah so that that billboard, it's not going to work on.
It's not going to work on most of our callers,
is it.

Speaker 6 (01:47:53):
Yeah, try again, you look better bald, said no one ever. Well,
a lot of people love.

Speaker 3 (01:47:57):
And so put your money with your mouth, is the tyler.

Speaker 2 (01:47:59):
I'll expect you to turn up on Monday and you've
shaved your South for Captain Steading. I want you to
turn up looking like Larry David on Monday, or I
think you're being disingenuous.

Speaker 10 (01:48:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:48:07):
I've booked us a to a barber straight after the show,
so this is going to be good, right, coming up?

Speaker 4 (01:48:11):
It is the F one Hungarian F one on Monday,
so we're going to catch up with Alex Powell.

Speaker 6 (01:48:16):
It's a big one. He is coming up after the break.

Speaker 5 (01:48:19):
It is a quarter to four, a fresh take on
took Back. It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons. Have
your say on eight hundred eighty eight Talk.

Speaker 4 (01:48:29):
For a good afternoon. It is thirteen to force. Iliam
Lawson heads into the final race before the mid season
break on Monday, the Hungarian Grand Prix and Bordapesz this
weekend to chat more about this, we're joined by New
Zealand GIRLD sports reporter Alex Powell.

Speaker 6 (01:48:42):
Geta Alex.

Speaker 3 (01:48:45):
Yeah, Alex giddy, Alexe Ei.

Speaker 8 (01:48:47):
There, I am you?

Speaker 6 (01:48:50):
I think I am yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:48:51):
Yea.

Speaker 3 (01:48:52):
So tell us about the Hungarian Not an easy place
to pass? I understand.

Speaker 30 (01:48:56):
No, It's one of those classic F one tracks that
sort of steeped in history. But that means given the
modern cars, it is very hard to overtake. And for
a guy like Liam Lawson, who himself admits qualifying needs
to improve, it's going to be so important comes Sunday
into Monday's race.

Speaker 2 (01:49:11):
Yeah, they call it the Monaco without Walls? What's would
you agree that this is a very pivotal race. I
was thinking about this today Liam Lawson, right, because he's
been fantastic. I mean, he's been improving over the season.
In the last five six races, he's actually been doing
better than his teammate Hadja. So if he gets points
in this race and Hadja doesn't, he could go into
the summer break ahead, which would be huge for him.

Speaker 30 (01:49:34):
I think what's the gap. It's about five or six
points between lass and.

Speaker 3 (01:49:38):
Six, I believe.

Speaker 30 (01:49:39):
Yeah, So I think every race at the moment just
for where not just where racing balls are at in
their battle to finish as the Constructor's Championship as they can,
because let's not forget that's where teams make their money
and see their priority in that regard. Yes, it's an
important race. We' also you're right just to get a
bit of momentum with you and finish the first chunk
of the season on a really high note.

Speaker 2 (01:49:59):
I was actually thinking it's actually pretty important for F
one at the moment because they've got this momentum out
of the F one movie. It's been a smash it.
People would be joining and then last week Silveston was great,
but then last week they had the fiasco around you know,
the safety car and the delay in starting in the
wet so they to keep that audience that have come

(01:50:19):
in that new audience. If one's kind of under a
bit of pressure to put on a good race this weekend,
I mean.

Speaker 30 (01:50:26):
I'd slightly disagree. I think everything if one's doing at
the moment is sort of turning to gold. You look
at basically where we've been since COVID and the interests
is going up and up and up and up. And
I was on your show a couple of weeks ago
and we spoke about the role that Netflix has played
in doing that. But you're right, you do want it
to be an entertaining product. We saw in Belgium last
week the rain caused a bit of a kerfuffle with

(01:50:48):
how late the start was, and I think there is
going to be a bit more rain expected during this
race as well.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
So Max he is staying on with Red Bill, and
you know, from a New Zealand perspective, what does that
mean for LEM Max has confirmed that it'll be with
Red Bull for twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (01:51:04):
Maxi Stapen, I.

Speaker 30 (01:51:05):
Think it sort of doesn't really change too much. It
was all going to be very unlikely that Maxistapen did leave.
You think of how long he's been at Red Bull
and how that team is built around him. Was always
going to be a case of, as you know, who
was bluffing out of the bestapens or where the Mercedes
was so lam Lawson, I think his objective will still
be the same. He wants to get back into Red Bull.
He's been very open about that. That's where he sees himself.

(01:51:28):
He wants to be in a team competing for wins
and for championships.

Speaker 3 (01:51:32):
Do you think Max is just sticking around for another year?

Speaker 2 (01:51:34):
Will he can check out which is a good car?
With all these new regulations coming in, the cars can
be very different. No one knows who's going to have
the best car, So why wouldn't Max just stick around
for another year? And then you know what's a year
for maxistappen. He's only twenty seven, you know, stick around
and pick the best car that comes out of the
changes potentially.

Speaker 30 (01:51:53):
Maxis Staphan's always been very open with his intentions and
how he sees his formulan career. He brought up his
two hundred THREECE last year and he was asked, you
think you'll do two hundred more and you said definitely
not So I think if he does just take a
step away at the end of it all, then comes
backward to whatever team he wants, because let's not beig
around the bush. Any team would take him. I think
that is ultimately him for him to decide, if he

(01:52:13):
hasn't made his mind up already.

Speaker 3 (01:52:15):
All right, so win's practice. Just looking at my timing,
it's tonight, at what time practice free practice? One should
probably notice.

Speaker 30 (01:52:24):
It's sort of just for midnight, so you might be
a bit busy, Matt, being the Auckland socialite that you are,
so practice lanes practice too. We should be up and
around four am. Finished tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:52:33):
There were and you know, to stand by for those
punishing tacks as always Alex from Matt Heath. So yeah,
just be prepared for that for the rest.

Speaker 6 (01:52:40):
Of the weekend.

Speaker 30 (01:52:41):
I didn't get any last week. I thought something could
happen to him.

Speaker 6 (01:52:44):
You're worried about him.

Speaker 2 (01:52:45):
Well, I tell you what happened is that there was
a delayed start, so I woke up for the race,
and then there was a day start, and then I
just fell asleep waiting for them to start the race,
and then missed the race net to watch it in
the morning. All right, thank you so much, Alex Pale,
New Zealand Herald.

Speaker 3 (01:52:58):
Sports journalists, dead boys.

Speaker 4 (01:53:00):
All right, Liam, Yeah, co Liam, It's going to be
a great weekend for if one fans. Right coming up,
We've got a few more ticks to get to and
then it's time to say see you later.

Speaker 6 (01:53:09):
It is nine to four.

Speaker 1 (01:53:12):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between.

Speaker 5 (01:53:16):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons US talks.

Speaker 11 (01:53:19):
They'd be.

Speaker 6 (01:53:21):
Very good afternoon, Jue. It is six to four.

Speaker 2 (01:53:24):
Hey, thanks so much for listening to the show this week.
I'm off to Topaur tomorrow to run a half marathon.
Ash I'm heading down tonight, so good luck, good on me, eh,
good on you. I understand it'll be about three degrees
at the starting gun, so you know I'll be nice
and cool.

Speaker 6 (01:53:38):
We swan in the lake after maybe see you down there.

Speaker 2 (01:53:40):
If you're going to be in a beautiful toupor And hey, look,
thanks for all your calls in Texas week.

Speaker 3 (01:53:45):
We had a record amount of both. So to celebrate,
we have the caller of the week. Who is it, Tyler?

Speaker 6 (01:53:49):
So the caller of the week.

Speaker 4 (01:53:50):
This week we're having a great discussion about neighbors at
or whether you'd ever had a run in with your
neighbor over So those smaller things that we get annoyed about.
And we had a guy called Philip call up and
he was brilliant, got a new puppy.

Speaker 10 (01:54:02):
And we labrador.

Speaker 19 (01:54:03):
Yeah they're a bit barky for a start when they're little.
He cut over and in front of my partner and
went absolutely burco about midnight. So it got the better
of me and I ended out throwing dogs roos. We
had a real downfall one time and his drain got
blocked up. Now he got up on the roofs. He
got up to clean the spouting off and fell off

(01:54:25):
the lander and broke his legs.

Speaker 10 (01:54:28):
Real bad break.

Speaker 9 (01:54:29):
I'm responsible to.

Speaker 10 (01:54:29):
The broken leaves.

Speaker 22 (01:54:31):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:54:31):
That's all it takes to be the corner of the week.
The full show podcast will be up in about our
so so if you met missed our chats on a
balled is Beautiful and the FBI in New Zealand, then
follow our podcast wherever you get your pods. The Paul
Holmes broadcast of the Heatherdooplessy Allen is up next. But
Tyler right now? Am I good buddy? Why am I
playing this tune?

Speaker 16 (01:54:52):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:54:52):
Bitter Kiss from a Rose by cl That is a
beautiful board man if I've ever seen one.

Speaker 3 (01:54:57):
Yeah, he has a beautiful bald head, does that man,
he certainly does.

Speaker 2 (01:55:00):
Thank you so much for listening. Everyone, see ya on
Monday afternoon. Have a fantastic weekend. Until then, give a
taste to keep it from us.

Speaker 6 (01:55:08):
I love you.

Speaker 5 (01:55:10):
A line gets the blue love the thing it's not
to pay your.

Speaker 3 (01:55:15):
Kids, Baba, Rose on the green the market of your stays.
Now that your roses, A line.

Speaker 17 (01:55:29):
Gets the blue bay.

Speaker 3 (01:55:44):
Now that your rose is in bloom, A lad hits
the glue.

Speaker 28 (01:55:53):
On the green.

Speaker 1 (01:56:07):
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