Full Show Podcast: 01 October 2025

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All right, okay, hello, are you great New Zealanders? And
welcome to podcasts number two one two four Wednesday, the
first of October. My god, it's October. Sapers, Holy bloody Moley, jeepers, creepers,

(00:49):
it's bloody October. Great show today, boy, we got emotional
with the Nigel latter call, some incredible call with Bridget
as a very good friend who was a bridesmaid that
as wedding, wasn't she. Yeah, yeah, she's a lovely person
and she she had a fitting tribute to the great Man,
as did a bunch of other people that that rang in.
And then things got pretty sixy at the end.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
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Speaker 1 (01:29):
Stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything in between.
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Talk said the very good Afternoons Yeah, welcome into Wednesday show.
So good to have your company as always. Hope you're
doing well. We're evy you're listening in this country of ours.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Get a Matt, get a Tyler good a you great
New Zealander wherever you happen to be. Hey, I'm did
you ever get that feeling where you're completely you're lightheaded,
and you're you're separated from reality and you feel like
you're watching it from like through a video camera from
the other side.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
Of the room.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Out of body experience quite often?

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Actually, yeah, yeah, I'm experiencing that right now. So you know,
if if I drift off into strange things, it's because
I know there's something wrong with my brain.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Things could get interesting. It's going to be good.

Speaker 5 (02:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
Hey, now this is apropos of nothing, but I just
want to throw it out there. You know how sometimes
things come into your life, and you didn't really know
you needed them until they come into your life and
you realize, what have I been doing all this time?

Speaker 6 (02:27):
Was that?

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Like when we got peered up for the show, you
didn't know, you didn't know what was missing in your life,
but it turned out to be mad Heath.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Beautifully said and spot on. And the other thing that
came into my life recently is a bid day.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Very similar, very very similar to.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Such a good analogy to a bad heath. So if
you don't know what a bad bidet is, most people
will do it. And I don't want to gross anyone
out here, so we're going to keep it high level.
But a beday is an electric device that you put
on to the top of your toilet and it helps
you keep things clean down there. After you've got to
do what we've all got to do with human beings.
The Japanese are very into it. Across Asia, they're very

(03:04):
into it. Game Changer and Got Game Changer. There's one
in the new that we went into and I thought,
what the heck is this contraption. I don't know how
I feel about this instantly converted. I don't know what
we've been doing all this time we are fricking cave men.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
It is limit of the way we chase things around
with paper, to be honest, with dry paper. It's a terrible,
terrible system. We've got. How advances this one? Have you
got different temperatures? Have you got different powers? Different levels?

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Still, all of that I have.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Some of them can track, they're what they're aiming at.
They've got infrared aim and such.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Whatever you want. It's got a wee remote that just
sits on the wall. So I pull out the remote
and it's got all these different functions. So obviously it's
got the water jet and I can set the temperature.
It heats up the toilet seat, which is really nice.
That's a nice feature there. Then it's got the blow
dry option. The only thing it doesn't have, and I
think a lot of them in Japan have it, is
they usually have some nice soothing music to go along

(03:59):
with It doesn't have that. Yeah, so I'll get that
installed on speakers just separately.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Does it have a sex button, well, because there's a
button that not like that, I mean male female female female?

Speaker 3 (04:10):
It does, Actually it does have one of those buttons
kind we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
It, right, Yeah, so it can work out your anatomy
from that. Yeah, I'm surprised that we don't have. Yeah,
as you say, if you've got the money to have
a heated bathroom floor, yes, I think that money would
be better spent on a bidet for just your daily enjoyment.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, game changer. Absolutely, there we go get a bidet
if you can, right how.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Much you're paying for it. I'm someone might know nine
two nine too if you wanted to get one installed
in your house, because I guess it has to be
plumbed as well, doesn't it.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah, and you've got to have a plug really close
to the toilet, so that was.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
It's got to be powered and powered and plumbed yet.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
So it's probably going to sit your back a couple
of k But if you can get one, honestly, it's
all right.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Right there we go Tyler Adams endorsement.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah, that's the PSA for today. Onto the rest of
the show. After three o'clock you may have seen the
story a couple of excessive excessive kissing and fondling on
a peck in New Zealand flight has sparked more than
just passengers as comfort. It led to a court appearance
and charge for the peer. So that is at the
extreme example of what is called PDA public displays of

(05:15):
affection and how much is too much? In New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
While not wanting to aggravate the dozens of people have
already text one two horrified about your expousing of the day.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
I knew it was risky.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
I'm going to say personally, I do not care about PDA.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
I'm uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
I'm saying people just go for it. You just go
for it, go for it. But we'll talk about that
after three.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
After two o'clock. New Zealand's video game industry it is
booming right now, generating seven hundred and fifty nine million
bucks in revenue that was in the last year. It
creates a lot of high value jobs and high value
exports as well. Yet despite this rapid growth and export success,
the sector still lacks strong government support. It needs to
complete compete globally globally, so that is the call that

(05:58):
has been made by the industry and should we be
pushing our government to support them on that.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, I mean, how good is an export when you
don't have to ship anything. You can have people working
here been sold overseas. The money is just flying into
the country because we've got so many technical and digital
ways of money flying out of our country with all
the social media sites and games. So how good when

(06:22):
we can just have something to have it flow back
in the other way. Yeah, So I think we really
need to support this industry. So I'd love to hear
from people that are working in the gaming industry or
people that know people in this story. Yeah, I mean,
why are we so good at it? I let hundred
eighteen eighty.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
Looking forward to that after talklop. But right now, sad
news that broke this morning. Psychologist, author and broadcast Nigel Ladder.
He passed away after a long battle with stomach can
So he has left behind quite a legacy of being
a broadcast or a TV host, of course, but also
what he's written in his books and his mental health advocacy,
but also towards the end of his life and when

(06:57):
he faced this journey, that resilience and positivity that he
brought to the fore, he was not shy about fronting
up to what he was facing and with the most
incredible philosophy that you can have in those those sort
of circumstances.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah, So if you have thoughts on Nigel's life, and
you know, if you've got something from his box or
programs or talks. He did a lot of a lot
of talks and he was fantastic on the stage. Met
so many people. So many people have personal accounters with them.
So if you've been affected by the man that or
would love to hear from you on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty, and on a wider topic, how people
you know have dealt with these tough diagnoses. I met

(07:34):
Nigel a few times. As I was telling you before, Tyler,
absolutely lovely guy. Yeah, and look, it shocks me how
quickly people can go. You know, the last thing we
heard was positive about his diagnosis, and then and then
we hear this, so it's it's it's very very sad.
He's a man that had a huge effect on our
nation and the way people brought up kids. I mean,

(07:56):
how many people have got his politically and correct guides
to parentings in their houses? Yes, so many people. When
I had sons, I got given Nigel out a box
by two different people. You know, on the first day
I had my first you know, so people thought it
was really important and he was really helpful. But you know,
what do you do when you're told that you only

(08:16):
have months to live? As Nigel was, I mean that's
a question. In his case, he assembled a mental toolbox
to deal with the conundrum and all the conundrums that
that life throws at you. In his book that's out today.
Actually he outlines that the three principles that he breaks
his book down into is drive the bus, focus on

(08:38):
the things you can control, and teamwork. No, it was
a great New Zealander and my point of view. So
I would love to hear from people on eight hundred
eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, he had a gift, that's for sure. Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is number to call. Nine
two ninety two is the text number your interactions thoughts
dealings with Nigel latter reading his book and also how
do you deal with the challenge of cancer, whether yourself
or a family member. Love to hear your stories. It
is fourteen past one so that.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Book of his lessons on living finding your way through
life's ups and downs from respected New Zealand psychologist and
best selling author Nigel Letter, and that came out yesterday. Yeah,
so the timing on.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
That, eh, yeah, absolutely, fourteen passed one beck very shortly.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between.

Speaker 5 (09:27):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons used talk.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Zai'd be for a good afternoons you we are talking
about Nigel latter sadly news today that he passed away
after a long battle with stomach cancer, but plenty of
tics coming through A nine two ninety two.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Michelle says, Nigel was amazing. I went to three of
his live shows. He was hilarious. I dragged my brother
along under sufferance. I remember my brother saying at the end,
now he was better than Bill Bailey. Wow, that's high praise.
That is very high praise, because Bill Bailey is a
comedian and Nigel Letter was a psychologist, so he was
helping you and entertaining you. We never stopped laughing through

(10:03):
the entire show, so said, what are brilliant? Tixt oh
one hundred and eighty teen eighty is the number of
call Welcome to show, Ben, Oh we might come back
to we might come back problem here all right.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
I think we've got Sharky on the line there. Oh
Ben's coming back now as well. Sorry, we're just having
some phone problems here, So let's see if we can
go to Sharky, get a sharky.

Speaker 7 (10:28):
Get a guy.

Speaker 8 (10:29):
A bit of a sad day for New Zealand. Nigel
letter was you know we all used to watch the
TV programs and things like that, and he was he's
only a year older than me really and scary for
that cancer. It's a year ago. It'll be a year
ago next Thursday since my dad died from cancer.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
That shaky, yeah, it's.

Speaker 8 (10:57):
And when my dad died was it was that week
that we heard about Nigel Letta having the cancer. So yeah,
just to see this sort of come through to where
it is now pretty emotional today.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
So so how you how have you been dealing with
the passing of your father's shark if you don't mind
me asking.

Speaker 8 (11:20):
Oh mate, it's a hard journey mm hmm. Every day,
you know, you think about that person, and especially coming
up on his first anniversary. Like, you know, my family
have tried, well there's just me and my mum and
my brother and you know, we we we we try

(11:43):
to get on and carry on with life, but he
was a big part of our lives. And yeah, but
knowing that it's almost a year but then and today.
You know, here, Ignigel, lad, I'm quite a tough guy,
but I can tell you I've got tears in my eyes.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Good on you. You know, there's nothing wrong with that.
You could be a tough guy with tears in your eyes. Eyes, absolutely,
especially if you've lost your father in the last in
the last year.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
How did your father deal with the getting a diagnosis
like that at Sharky?

Speaker 8 (12:17):
Oh he was, he was devastated, he was shocked. We
we we kind of had been to the hospital and
there and they said, oh, no, nothing wrong, nothing, you know,
nothing came up in his blood markers or anything. But
he was still ill. So I went up I lived
and they had plenty So I went up to talk
to and where my parents lived, and took him to
the hospital and said that he's something wrong. And then

(12:39):
they so they did a few more tests and they
discovered he had pancreatic cancer, which is in your chest
and eight weeks. Eight weeks was what we had.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Wow, So he did You didn't know really, you know,
you just thought there's something wrong and then you went
to the doctor and did they give you an eight
week diagnosis or did it just end up being eight weeks.

Speaker 8 (13:02):
No, they gave us. They gave us like six to twelve.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Months, right, wow, And it was just and of.

Speaker 8 (13:08):
Course that was just before Father's Day and things like that,
so you know, and then when they came out, you know,
you've got six to eight months go home, live it up.
So we're kind of playing, Okay, you'd be there for
Christmas and stuff like that. Yeah, but eight weeks and
I've got to tell you, it's a horrible, horrible disease,

(13:33):
a horrible water clost to them.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
You're so right, shaky. It is such a crawl insidious thing.
Cancer in eight weeks. Was there support that you were
able to tap into during that time or was it
you know, reach we had.

Speaker 9 (13:53):
We had, We had the trying to think of their names,
the cancer people that come out and do the the
chicking every sort of day. They were amazing, they were beautiful. Yeah,
but you know, my carries on and now we've got

(14:14):
to carry on to the rest of truths here.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
For people, for people listening at the moment, sharky, what
would you say to people who may be staring down
the barrel of of what you as a family had
to deal with.

Speaker 8 (14:30):
Talk to the person relived the memories. Take the time
to spend that time, because once that time's gone, you
got it again.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, hey, look, I'm so sorry if your lost lost Sharky,
And hey, what what was what was your father's what
was your father's name?

Speaker 8 (14:51):
Ron Barber?

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Ron Barber, gone.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
But not forgotten, Ron Barber. Thanks so much for calling, mate,
appreciated and all the all the best, buddy.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yeah, Sharky, you're a good man. Thank you very much.
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Really, can you hear your stories if
you're facing this the moment, or if you've gone through
it and managed to find that hope or that love
or a change in philosophy that's somehow helped, really tend
to hear from you. Nine two ninety two is the

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text number. It is twenty three past one.

Speaker 5 (15:22):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the Mic Hosking breakfast.

Speaker 10 (15:26):
Now reformed data energy Minister Simon, what's with us? Those
who will be disappointed that you haven't split the gent
tailor's Oh.

Speaker 11 (15:32):
Look, Mike, let's be fair that the splitting of the
gen Taylors is a good politics, but it's not good policy.
The major issue we're dealing with here is the fact
that their investment has not been happening.

Speaker 10 (15:43):
But how do you debtail that with Mike Fus who
we had on earlier on in the program. See, we've
never seen so much investment, We're booming an investment.

Speaker 11 (15:49):
Well, Mike, you know, we've got a pretty significant renewable pipeline.
But am I seeing that flow through in terms of
the price of energy? No, that is what is hitting hard.

Speaker 12 (15:56):
Kiri Households and Kii Businesses.

Speaker 10 (15:58):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
the Land Drover Defendant US talk z.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
B very good afternoons you It is twenty five past
one and we are talking about passing of Nigel Laser,
very well known psychologists, broadcaster, author. He resonated with an
incredible number of people around the country. The respects for
coming through thick and fast on his social media page,
so much knowledge and his work to upskill educators to

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support children through the christ which earthquakes made a lasting impact,
said one person. Another remembered him as an incredible human
sending so much love and support to his family for
the loss of this incredible man. So keen to hear
if you've come across Nigel or read his book. So
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is number to.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Call sex, says Nigel. Ladder had a massive effect on
my life. Loved all his shows, but his book on
bringing up boys. I thought about it every day bringing
up my lads and they are such fantastic boys, I
seriously think, and Nigel had a lot to do with
the way they turned out. Yeah, that's that's huge praise
being welcome to the show.

Speaker 13 (17:00):
How you met excuse me a hey toyler mate. I
compare him to Jason Gunn. Yeah, you know he he
he is a great yeah, and he head away with

(17:20):
the kids, old Jason Gunn and the adults as well.
But yeah, this guy, Nigel had away with his words
where he would tap into even the most thickest of skulls.

Speaker 8 (17:31):
You know.

Speaker 13 (17:31):
He's like, he was just such a clever man. And
I remember starting I'm going to introduce him when I
was watching him Beyond the Dark Lands and just just
the guy's yeah, he just had he had a persona
about him, he had a way about them, He had

(17:52):
away with words. He is demeanor like just yeah, he's
a jacent gun. He's a great newsylinder, and I just yeah,
I just want to want to point out the well
the obvious that he is.

Speaker 12 (18:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
I think if you cool Ben appreciate that. Yeah. So,
I mean the guy so many TV shows, Beyond the Darklands,
The Politically Incorrect Parenting Show, The politically Incorrect Guide to
Teenagers After the Quake, Helping Children Cope, The Political Correct
Guide to grown Ups, Nigel Letter, Nigel Bladders blows stuff
up on the Nice Letter Intarctica.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
That sounds like a good one and Nigel Letter blows
stuff up. I would watch that.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
I missed that one. Yeah, so hard stuff with Nigel
Leatda Mind over Money with Nigel Letter. Boy covered a
lot of stuff. What's next? Nigel Letter, The Curious Mind
kids on and You've been scammed by Nigel Letter. So
he's doing a lot of stuff over the years, wasn't he?
As well as all his books.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Incredible communicator as well, And clearly with those books and
TV shows and the response that he's getting from the
general public, I think it is fair to say he
just had that way of breaking down what were traditionally
maybe some pretty complex ideas and psychology and making them
easy to exit and understand for most of us lay people.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
So yeah, and layering a good amount of humor across it. Hey, guys,
retired detective heard and Igel speak many times over the
twenty eight years with New Zealand Police. He was inspirational
life and remain so in his death. I lost my
wife last month, same age, only three point five days. Notice. Wow,
feel for his family, as do many New Zealanders. Go well, man, hey,

(19:32):
we'll thanks so much for your text and sorry about that,
and sorry about your wife. That's three and a half days.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
Jeez, jeez, that puts things into perspective.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Man the six says, I'm thirty seven and have been
diagnosed with a type of bone cancer. As I'm progressing,
my bones are slowly eroding. I have a partner and
a fourteen year old son, and although I have a
diagnosis from a year ago, I cannot bring myself to
tell them my God, I'm in too deep. I have
nothing to leave them crying. While writing this waiting for
the public health system while on high doses of opiods opioids,

(20:06):
I mean, how do you respond.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
To that is incredibly, incredibly tough.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
I mean, when you read text like that. You've you know,
if you're not in a position like that, you just
have to be so grateful. It puts and it puts
things in perspective, doesn't it? Absolutely your little problem that
you have in any given day, the thing that annoys you,
the incident on the roads, whatever's happening, the petty little
argument you have with your partner, and then you hear

(20:32):
these kind of things and it's got to put things
in perspective for you.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
It absolutely does. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. Really keen to hear your
stories about Nigel Letter, if you've read of books, if
you've gone to one of his seminars, his events, Really
keen to have a chat with you. And also if
you are going through something like cancer, either yourself or
your family, and you've been through that, what would you
want people to know or understand about what you're facing

(20:58):
in that challenge? Really keen ever chat with you on
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah, and look, I haven't read it yet. I've just
just bought it for my kidnal his new book, Nigel
Letters Lessons on Living. I think it could be something
to be very helpful for someone that finds themselves in
that kind of situation. Yeah, you know how he dealt
with his diagnosis.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, it is twenty nine to two headlines with Rayling
coming up back very surely.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
WOJU talks, it'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis.

Speaker 14 (21:28):
It's no trouble with a blue bubble. Octopus Energy says
the government could have done more to speed up power
generation projects and today's sector announcement seems unlikely to do
much to reduce prices. The gen Taylors have been promising,
have been promised funding for big projects and to backstop
al ENNG is being planned. A US government shutdown is

(21:50):
looking lightly with federal funding expiring within hours. Search and
rescue teams are retrieving the body of a person who
was found dead on Mount Tartanaki yesterday afternoon. The firefighters
unions agreed to strike for an hour on October seventeen
over staffing, pay and the state of aging fire trucks.

(22:10):
A contract offer was rejected by ninety nine percent of
union members. A fire involving twenty five cars for buses
and rubbish in Marlborough's Canvas Town has been contained. Multiple
fire crews and a helicopter attended the Blazer to Huarder
par Road, helped by tankers. Fire crews remain at the scene.
Debate grows over how defense will use the twelve billion

(22:34):
dollar boost. You can read more at ensid Herald Premium.
Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Thank you very much, Railian so sad news that broke
this morning, key we psychologist author broadcast a. Nigel Latter
passed away yesterday year after being diagnosed with stomach cancer.
He leaves behind his wife Natalie Flynn, daughter Arena sun Kieren,
and three step children Elijia Mayer and Leon. Bridget Tapsell
as family spokesperson and also Natalie's best friend, and she

(22:59):
joins us on the line now, Bridget, good afternoon to
you and our deepest condolences to you and the family.

Speaker 15 (23:06):
Ah Tina Kuardua, thank you.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
When you think back on your friendship with Nigel, what's
the first memory that pops into your mind.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
For me?

Speaker 15 (23:18):
Personally? He uh, He went over uh and above what
friends normally do for me and my family in a
situation that was really sticky and uncomfortable, and he went
out on a limb for us, and he was Yeah,
he advocated for a situation and he was brave and

(23:41):
it turned the situation around massively for us personally. That's
the type of human he is. He he was driven
by his values and he stood by his Dalius and
he lived by Dalius. A very very special human, a
person who was well Maria, I would say, call ye

(24:05):
call yea. He was love and love with his to Adha.
Nigel a man of love. Yeah, And I feel right
at the moment if I look at the response from
the Preme Minister and all the responses that are happening
around the country, And as Natalie said, she feels like

(24:25):
old Titlor is giving Nigel one huge hug right now.
And that's because of the man who he was.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Yeah. What was Nigel like away from from the camera?
And you know, people people like Tyler and I we
only know I'm from from enjoying his television shows and
reading his books. What was he like away from from
the camera and the public eye.

Speaker 15 (24:47):
Bridget he was He was a very kind person, just
very laid back and obviously very very well known. So
like if you we'd go out to dinner, there would
always be lots of people would approach him and talk
to him. He had that kind of or about him.
People wanted to connect with of him from seeing him

(25:09):
on TV, from his parenting shows. But after a while
you actually forgot he was famous because he was just
He was a humble human, very real, very focused on
other people, not focused on him. He was egoless. Yeah,
the a fantastic human. You would have You would have

(25:30):
loved his company, honestly, would have. He would have made
you both feel like you were the most important people
in the room.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
You Yeah, yeah, I was lucky enough to interview me
a couple of times, but yeah, and it was he
was lovely on those occasions. Now, Nigel made You've got
to say, he made psychology, which is reasonably complex, complex
ideas relatable to a lot of New Zealanders in your opinion,
What made him such a good communicator of all these
complex ideas well?

Speaker 15 (26:03):
I actually would you know. Obviously I hit him and
Netalie on tap and Netalie's a psychologists as well, so
I had thirsten experience of what it was like to
wring him up and say, hey, I've got this parenting problem,
what do you think? And he was just he just
didn't muck around like he would just get straight to
the point. You know, this is it was black and white.

(26:26):
Compassionate of course, but just very pragmatic. And I think
for me that's what was very relatable, and that's what
I think the nation was relating to, is like there
was nothing fluffy or nothing that you couldn't sort of go, oh,
that actually makes sense. Oh, and I actually have some
practical advice to walk away with and make some positive

(26:48):
change in my family and in my children. And that's
I mean, I mean you, I'm sure you've seen his
programs ONCIDAM and that's probably what you've saught as well.
And that's that's he had just the ability to connect
to other people and communicate in a way that wasn't
too highbrow. You know, that was just bey you can

(27:09):
understand them basically. Yeah, that's kind of was my personal experience.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah, I definitely came through in the way you experienced him.
He seems very similar on on on as broadcasting, as
and in his writing as he was to you in person.
Now I just started speaking of his writing. I just
started reading his new book, Lessons on Living, and you know,
it starts off with some pretty harrowing stories of you know,
time he spent with people that have done some pretty

(27:35):
horrific things. He he he had to deal with a
lot of that that that serious, horrible dark side of society,
crime and murder and parenting gone wrong. But he was
also very funny. How did it did that? Did that
stuff affect him? Because it would be hard to keep

(27:56):
that completely out of out of your your your life
when you're you're doing that that sort of stuff professionally.

Speaker 15 (28:04):
I mean, I I didn't see any sign of that
effecting him. I that he was able to. I mean,
I think when you're an empathetic critician, you're able to
put uh the darkness of life into context, a way
to context, and he obviously had the ability to do that.
So yeah, he was his his Aha, So I'm trying

(28:31):
to think of a park word. His his being was
always so positive, you know, it was always so up.
It was also as so hopeful, always so optimistic. You
know of anybody who know I think, you know, you
can't escape some of the shadows of life. So that
was a reality. But you know, it depends what you

(28:52):
focus on. And so I learned from him that it
is what depends what you focus on, like, focus on
the good, focus on the beauty, focus on the positivity.
And he was testament to that. That's how he lived.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
The honesty and the pregmatism that he showed Bridget when
he was diagnosed clearly resonated with so so many people
in New Zealand who were going through a similar thing
and provided them comfort because it was so honest and
that philosophy and as you say, that pragmatism that he
was he was so talented at. When the message messages

(29:26):
I no doubt started flooding in from people going through
something similar, How did Nigel and the family deal with that.

Speaker 15 (29:36):
With grace and with dignity and with understanding, you know,
I mean that's I mean, I've never had cancer, so
I don't know that. I can only imagine how difficult
that is to navigate. Yeah, so he did it with humility,
strength and dignity and very honest communications within in a circle.

(30:00):
But having said that, though, the communication was always very optimistic,
and so last week when he went to the oncologist
on Wednesday, he went with optimism like he wasn't probably expecting,
you know, to find out that there was no there
was nothing else that could be done. So yeah, right

(30:21):
up until the last week, he was optimistic.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
So you know, I think if you've answered this sort
of throughout your your answers to our questions, but how
much of a gap do you think he will leave
in the country and and then your personal life, Bridget, I.

Speaker 15 (30:39):
Mean it's absolutely huge. I mean there's just nobody like
Nigel Letter personally. For Natalie, I mean it's a mass
and and the family and the children. It's it's an
undescribable loss. Yeah. And for me, I mean, gosh, I
didn't sleep last night, so it's hard. It's hard to

(31:03):
it's hard to take the news, to be honest. I was,
like everybody else in this country, just hoping that he
was going to be around for a lot longer.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Well, look, thank you so much for talking to us,
and look so sorry for you for your loss there, Bridget.
He was, as you say, a great, great human, great communicator, communicator,
and he sounds like a great friend too. So yeah,
I'm going to say, Sorr if you're.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Lost, thank you very much, Bridget. Yeah, lots of love
to you Anton, Natalie and the family as well. That
is Bridget tapsil A close family friend of Natalie and
Nigel speaking about the said loss of Nigel. Letter, So
keen to hear your stories and your views, if you've
written Nigel's books, if you've spoken to him, if you've
gone to his events, really keen to a check with you. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighties and number to call nine

(31:49):
two nine two is the text number.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Susie says, I feel for him. This sucks.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
Yeah, that says it all.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
A fresh take on talk Back. It's Matt Heath and
Taylor Adams afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Youth talk said be it is fourteen to two. So
many any texts coming through about the sad passing of
Nigel Letter nine to ninety two is the number if
you want to send through a text.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Hey, someone's asking where can I get the book of
hers that you're talking about that came out yesterday, Our
Lessons on Living.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
I bought it on Kindle yep.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
So it's available there, but it'll be available in all
your big book stores and your little bookstores.

Speaker 12 (32:26):
You know.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
He released a lot of books over the years, so
many books, just counting them here one, two, three, four, five,
so seven, eight nine, Jesus busy man. Anyway, there's not
all of them. But even there he did one on
sugar as well, it's not listed here. He wrote a
lot of books and this one has last came out,

(32:50):
came out yesterday, And so I mean the timing on
that is is a poignant, isn't it. But yeah, you'll
be able to find it wherever you get you, wherever
you get box.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
Yes, a very mainstream writer.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
So that's not going to be hidden away any obscure place.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
No, you'll find it, will find it, Yep. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
This text says, guys, I can't and talk because I
won't be able to retain my composure. But the news
of Nigel's passing cuts deep. Our cancer journey started two
years ago with melanoma, then a tumor in my bladder, which, hopefully,
due to a few surgeries, is in my past. But
my wife has survived thirty five radiation treatments for tonsil cancer,
our battling stage four lung cancer. It is ripping me

(33:28):
apart inside, but I have to find solace from her strength.
She can't do a lot, but she just gets on
with it. Later scans are hopeful but I still feel
an incredible weight and sadness whenever I find myself thinking
about her. Rip Nigel, and that's from Henry. Hey, thanks
so much for your text, Henry. Yeah, and all the
best out there.

Speaker 12 (33:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
It puts a little problems in perspective when you hear
these huge things that people face.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Yep, certainly does Phil. How are you this afternoon? Mate?

Speaker 12 (34:00):
Well?

Speaker 16 (34:02):
I have to say okay when I'm hearing these stories because,
like Matt said that the year it's they Oh what
would be that they smack in the face, don't they?
There are tough stories to hear what people are dealing with.
Some people are dealing with for sure. Yeah, yeah, I'm
my cayboys, I'm okay, Yes, it's yeah. I feel kind

(34:25):
of sad that Nigels passed away. It's a strange thing.
I was going to say a funny thing, but that
might be the right word to use in the context.
But I was thinking in the sense that even if
you don't know someone and they pass away, you know,
like a complete stranger and they pass away, and if
you feel like they were a good person, I think

(34:46):
you always feel a bit sad even though you've got
no connection with them. You know, it's just something, but
it's something that makes me feel a bit sad. Someone's
gone right there. Yeah, so and I remember, oh, sorry, Matt,
were you going to say something?

Speaker 2 (35:01):
You know? No, non you go Phil.

Speaker 16 (35:04):
And I remember I started watching his first programs like
Beyond the Dark Lands and all those sort of macarbon
that I've kind of had a fascination how he used
to have this fantastic ability to analyze the person, you know,
and talk about what was going wrong, you know, and
the circumstances that led up to their offending and that

(35:25):
sort of thing, the environment that they were brought up,
and that was quite fascinating. And then I think I
watched a couple of his parenting. Even though I haven't
got any children, a single man with no children, haven't
got any they were still quite fascinating to watch his
programs on the crazy parenting and that sort of thing.
I've got how many programs like he had done, you know,

(35:46):
because then I remember by that so there was, like
you said, the one about being ripped off, and then
it was yeah they adult one and that sort of thing.
But yeah, the thing I was going to say too,
is that, yeah, incredibly tough cancer. I lost my mum
four years ago to cancer, and I think from when
she was diagnosed, I was kind of lucky in one
way that she didn't go within a.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Until that day.

Speaker 17 (36:09):
She lasted about eight.

Speaker 16 (36:10):
Or seven months before it took her. But I was
listening to I think it was Sparky was at the
first guy talking about a spada and that it was
sort of that was sort of hatting home a but
and I was starting to tear up myself thinking about
Mum and the last her last week and act and
when she was in the hospital and they were having
to give her morphine because the pain was just so

(36:33):
incredibly you know it it was so painful that even
the morphine wasn't starting to do the trick. That just
had to you know, she just had to be well.
They had to give her so much morphine. In the end,
she's just unconscious basically, you know, sort of thing until
she stopped breathing. But yeah, and like he said about

(36:59):
talking when if she find out someone has canceled that
your lover, like or a friend or her lover or
remember that. And then you said, what would you recommend doing,
you know, and he said, yeah, talk with them as
much as you can and go over the memories and
that sort of thing, you know. So I thought that
was quite good too, because one of the things that

(37:20):
I always think about, even four years later and have
her and well up a bit, is that in the
last couple of months before Mum died, I never called her.
And I remember when the last phone call that she
I was sitting at home and she rung and I
didn't answer the phone because I was not feeling too good.
In South I got me own with my own mental

(37:42):
health battles, and I just think, jeez, I wish I
picked that phone up now because that would have been
the last I would have didn't know it at the time,
but it would have been the last conversation that I
would have had with Mum before she got that bad.
And like I said, you know, and it wasn't until
my aunt called me because to say that you better come,

(38:03):
you better come to Clyde now because your mum's in
the hospital and it doesn't look good.

Speaker 12 (38:08):
Thing.

Speaker 16 (38:08):
So i'bout four or five days with you the Boshy Partners.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
So well, yeah, I mean sorry to hear about that.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
That Phil, Yeah, and Lucky you got to spend those
days with your feel but as you say, for those
that have gone through it, and as Sharky said, you know,
talk to your family and and make sure you don't
forget how how special and loved they are. Thank you
very much for that.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Well, well personally my level talk, you know, talking to people.
I'm so glad that I feel very lucky that the
last you know, three words I said to my mum
was love your mum.

Speaker 5 (38:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Yeah, and so when I look back on I know
that those are the last three words I remember them.

Speaker 5 (38:44):
So that's huge.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
That means a lot to me to this day.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Yeah. It is seven to two, bag very shortly here
on Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty Tight it's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
News Talks, News Talks B. It is four to two.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
So so many texts coming through now from from from
people that have been we have experienced a Nigel letter
personally or as broadcasting as shows that just tick says,
I'm glad to be honest, I saw Nigel and Toko
about twelve years ago. It was an evening that was
interest fee was one hundred dollars. It was a fantastic
interesting and thought for broken. He was brilliant and like you,

(39:26):
I followed much of his advice when raising my two
wonderful lads. Such a loss and there's just so many,
so many ticks coming through like that about Nigel Letter.
So you know, what do you say? Incredible life, great human,
great communicator right to the end. His book Listens on Living,
came out the day before he died and deals with

(39:47):
his diagnosis. A great read for anyone dealing with major
diagnoses or anyone at all.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
So yeah, I recommend that rest and peace Nigel Letter. Right,
it is three minutes to to New Sport and weather
on its way.

Speaker 5 (40:04):
Talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams News News dogs that'd.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Be get ADU welcome back into the program six past
So this is going to be an interesting chat. Looking
forward to this. So in New Zealand, our gaming industry
or the tech sector, is worth twenty three point eight
billion dollars. One of the country's largest and fastest growing
industries is in the gaming sector. Yet too many still

(40:30):
dismiss video games is just a part time, our pastime,
but clearly they are anything but. Last year it generated
seven hundred and fifty nine million dollars in revenue. It
obviously creates many high value jobs in software design and production.
But despite this rapid growth and exports success, the sector
says it still lacks the strong government support it needs

(40:51):
to compete globally.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Your gamer, Tyler, Yes, I am. What kind of games
do you play? Tyler?

Speaker 3 (40:56):
I'm an old school gamer because I've still got an
Xbox three sixteen. I love my Xbox three six I
have an upgraded that's an old console for people that
don't know Xbox. But I still love Fallout three, fall
Out New Vegas, love the Fallout games.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Right.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
I like Skyrim, Right, Skyrim is a great game. That
is a great It's very nudy of me to say,
but it's a great game.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
I mainly play F one. I just mainly played the
tracks the week before the race, you know, and I,
you know, simulate them out, so you know, I'm very specific.
I've got my control of everything. In fact, Look, I
love video games, and so maybe it's a coincidence or
maybe it's just every teenage boy he loves video games.
But my teenage son loves video games, so I set

(41:38):
up the best system in his room so he's got everything.
He's got a high powered PC so he can play
those games. He's got a PS five plugged into it.
He's also got an Xbox. It's all lined up and
I've all patched it so he can go through the things.
He's got a big screen, he's got the steering wheel,
he's got the pedals, he's got absolutely everything. When I

(41:59):
say he has, I haven't week on a week off.
So when he's when he's not there, his room is is.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
My gaming room.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
That yeah, but you know, I love these, you know,
and and like a lot of people of my generation,
I like those sort of long form story games, the
uncharted types of games. Have just been playing the new
Indiana Jones game. I love the Turm Raider games that
all generations of that, those you know, those ones that
my son calls old man games that he would never play.

(42:31):
And what I find really interesting about games now is
they got to this level of incredible graphics, absolutely beautiful.
You look at the Marvel Spider Man series. You know,
you're swinging around New York and and you know, the
lights glimmering off buildings and and you know you've got
your an autumn and the leaves are incredible. This the
detail is phenomenal. But kids now do not care about that.

(42:52):
They do not care about graphics anymore. And so with
this incredible setup that I have my son that I've
spent all this money on, and I say son and
commons in it south And as far as he's concerned,
it's all for him because because I let him play
with when he's there, he's upstairs playing his game for
a restricted amount of timeh But now the kids, they

(43:15):
primarily play online, so they play more simpler games online,
but they have gone very, very simple. The cutting edge
of games now are low end graphics. They're almost sixteen
bit graphic games, right, And that's what he plays, and
you know he plays is incredibly violent games. But the
graphics they just don't care anymore. It's all about gameplay,

(43:37):
which is really interesting. And so I'd like to know
from people O we one hundred and eighty ten at
if you're in the game gaming industry in New Zealand,
if you're working for one of these companies that's doing
so well, as you say, Tyler, well, I'll be more
exact than you. The pre tax income reported for twenty
twenty four to twenty twenty five reached seven hundred and

(43:59):
fifty eight million, nine hundred and nineteen, four hundred and
twenty seven dollars.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
That is good money.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
So that's a thirty eight point six increase. So I'd
be interested to know what games we're working in in
New Zealand. Why we're so good at it is the
reason we're doing so well is because the market has
moved away from these two hundred and fifty million dollar games.
I think that was the budget for the for the
Marble game or or you know, the much talked about
new latest Grand Theft Auto. Yes, that's but everyone's been

(44:27):
waiting on for a long time and a.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Long time coming that one.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
You know, what area are we working in? Is it
just that this is just the cool ideas that get through,
because yeah, I mean that's that's incredible. The rapid growth
in you know this oney, four hundred and eighteen full
time employees represent a twenty nine point two percent increase
from twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
It's huge growth, isn't it? And it's interesting you mentioned
that the you know, people like your son and other
young people getting into gaming don't care so much about
the graphics and going to those the games that are
not so detailed graphically but incredible gameplay. But I remember,
and I think they are still doing good things. It
was called Ninja Kiwi, which was a game startup in
New Zealand creating games for iPhone apps. But one of

(45:10):
the most successful it was called Balloons b LN is
super simple. The graphics weren't fantastic, but it was so addictive.
It was just this monkey and it was a puzzle
game and you had to figure out the best way
or the ultimate way to pop all of the balloons
per level, and it was so addictive. But that went
gang buses. That's how they got there standing on the

(45:31):
international and now they're doing great things.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
So is he primarily because most gaming now is done
on phones, isn't it. Yes, So you know, the games
don't have to be as complex, but the gamey gameplay
has to be addictive. So is that where New Zealand
is making most of its games. I mean, and you know,
as we were saying before, the great thing about this
industry is it's an all export industry. The money's coming

(45:55):
straight into the country, but it doesn't involve any shipping,
It doesn't involve any logistics in that manner at all. No,
you make the game, you put it up for sale,
and people download it and play it massively scalable. Yeah,
so is that is that the area that we're making
most of our games and most of our money in
New Zealand because it's it's called isn't this the kind
of industry we absolutely want? We love the farmers, we

(46:19):
love the agriculture, we love the primary sector, and God
knows we need them right now and they're holding the
country together, but we also need something on top of
it that the base that that that that economy gives
us to be able to move up to other levels
is so important. But isn't this exactly where we want

(46:39):
to be going and where we want to develop? And
in the sky is the limit? If you do something
incredibly successful and you come up with a grain game
that just goes everywhere. You take Fortnite for example, obviously
not a New Zealand game. The income phenomenal that that
could come into our country. So the question is is
the government doing enough to support the gaming industry? Could

(47:02):
we do more? They're doing some, but could we do more?
And in our countries like Australia are offering big rebates.
So yeah, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. The gaming industry
in New Zealand and gaming in general.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Yeah, love to hear from your If you're a gamer,
what are you playing right now? And if you're in
the industry, how is it looking, what are you working on?
And what can the government do to help us kick
butt internationally in the gaming industry? It is fourteen parts
two bag very surely.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Wow your home of afternoon talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us.

Speaker 5 (47:35):
Talk ZIV.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
For a good afternoon Chere we are talking about the
gaming industry in New Zealand. It is a cliche, but
it's true. It does punch above its weight, but it's
calling out for more government support to help it compete
on the international stage. But ken you hear from you?
If you are a gamer, what are you playing? Where
are you going to play your games? Are you playing
New Zealand created games? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty

(47:59):
is the number to.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Call this Texas says, my son has a good old
eighty KGCRT TV setup in his rooms one one, PS two,
PS three, and then the PS four and PS five
are all on the flat streen in the lounge. I'm
an enabler. I feel like I'm an anabler as well.
But dam the sound quality of the good old CRT

(48:20):
is unbelievable. He's got Grand Turismo for all the consoles.
I love abes Odyssey. Now, abes Odyssey, what a fantastic game,
abes odyssee.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
That brings me some memories.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
See that interestingly, because because I used to show my
kids the old video games that I used to play,
you know, the early iterations of m Raider where Lara
Croft basically was running a couple of triangles yep, and
they would laugh at them. But that's what the games
look like now. Yeah, So abs Odyssey, that kind of
game is coming back retro gaming because it's all about

(48:55):
the gameplay. They're not impressed by the graphics any anymore,
which is fascinating.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Todd Welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (49:04):
Yeah, I look, I say bring back the Nintendo sixty.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
Four, great console, that was my first one, Todd, I.

Speaker 7 (49:13):
Remember I remember Rambow, Aliens and Batman were the best
games ever. Yeah, graphics compared to today maybe wouldn't matched, but
I'm just amazing back.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
But even you know, GoldenEye Double O seven on Nintendo
sixty four is held up as I think one of
the greatest games of all time. Zelda was another one
on Nintendo sixty four. But I remember as a kid
thinking when I got this Nintendo sixty four, Mum got
it in Ossie and brought back a whole bunch of
games for me as well, thinking the graphics are amazing
on this, how do you get better than this? And

(49:47):
I look back now and thinking, man, how times have
changed now? But what what fantastic gameplay?

Speaker 7 (49:54):
That gameplay?

Speaker 4 (49:54):
Right?

Speaker 6 (49:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (49:55):
And I remember we used to hide the Nintendo sixty
four deck in the games from the old video shop,
right yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Yes, yeah. Benjo Kazooi was another one I loved as
a kid. I don't know if you remember Banjo Kazooi,
which was kind of like almost Mario sixty four style,
but I was obsessed by it.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
When you used to hire a game today, there was
a lot of pressure to to, you know, clock it
before you gave it.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
Took it back.

Speaker 7 (50:20):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah you would. You would hire it
for like forty eight hours or twenty four hours and
not get much sweet.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Yeah yeah, well you.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
You you must have been a Mario player then a
Super Mario player if you're on the Nintendo.

Speaker 7 (50:34):
Not really, Mario was a bit. I mean I got
into Sonic the Hedgehog, which.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
A right that two that was Siga Sega good.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
I think there was a pretty amazing w w E
or w w F game on sixty four, Royal Rumble.
I've got memories of playing Royal Rubbit Rumble. You know
you didn't play that one?

Speaker 2 (50:55):
No, no, so the when when I first played Sonic
the head Shog. You know you're talking about graphics, the
speed of sonicly Hdgehog. When you first played that on
the Mega system, Mega drive, Mega what was that the
Mega drives, Megaga Drive, Yeah, Mega drive. I couldn't believe.
I couldn't believe how fast that game was moving.

Speaker 12 (51:13):
And then interesting to put it on a big screen TV.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Now yeah yeah, but but Todd, you know you say
that the graphics wouldn't hold up. Now that's that's the
interesting thing is that the kids are going back to
poor graphics. As I was saying before, it's this whole
new move in gaming and eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty someone won't be able to speak to this why
this is. But they're just over the challenge. They're they're

(51:37):
over it. They just they're over the incredible graphics. They
just want gameplay surprises me.

Speaker 7 (51:42):
Is that from your son and his mates and stuff
like that?

Speaker 12 (51:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (51:45):
Or yeah, yeah, Well I'm surprised, I think no, wait,
surely not.

Speaker 12 (51:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
They like these They're obsessed by these indie games and games,
and they follow creators and then they hear about them
designing them, and they come out and they have sequels
to it. And I'll go up to the room and
he's just murdering thousands of thousands of people. But unlike
when he's playing something like Redebed Redemption, where it's realistic
looking people and he's blowing people's brains out, I sort

(52:11):
of think it's better when he's just annihilating pixels. You know,
the games we used to.

Speaker 7 (52:17):
Buy life this game. Since I've been running my businesses
for probably about twenty years, fifteen years, but you might
it now the old age of Empires on laptop.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Yeah, another great one.

Speaker 7 (52:31):
Back in the late nineties, I think two thousand.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
Yeah, Command and Conquer as well, Todd. I don't know
if you remember that Command and Conquer was a great
bring that back.

Speaker 7 (52:42):
All that, and there was a Command and Conquer. Oh look,
I don't know the terminology now, but first person or
was it on the Red Dawn? What was that?

Speaker 18 (52:53):
The ah?

Speaker 3 (52:53):
Yeah, Command and Conquer red alert alert.

Speaker 7 (52:57):
Yeah, then you're against kind of what do you call it?

Speaker 12 (53:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (53:04):
I think I think they're act had because they had
we cut scenes where they had actual actors and actors,
you know, the head of the Russian military or the
US military. Remember they had Tim Curry, Tim Curry, the
Hollywood actor, and I think he was the head of
the Russian forces.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Well, I think what I'm.

Speaker 13 (53:25):
Going to do.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
I have just looked up how much you can buy
a retro Nintendo sixty four at about four hundred bucks.
So I think I'll buy one of those and then
book a hotel room and you and Tyler can spend
a weekend playing games.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
I'm fizzed up by that, Todd. That sounds like a
great night. Hey, thanks for your call, mate, lover oh
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the numbered call.
We are talking about gaming and if you want to
talk about the games that you played, all you're playing
right now where you played as a youngster. Really keen
to hear from you. So many ticks are coming through.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Oh yeah, I mean this is the absolute truth. A
couple of ticks coming through on Joon Oloma rugby on
the PS one. What a great game. Yeah, digging like
a demented mall. Jonah Lomu was so much bigger than
all the other the other characters on the field, jon Olama.
They've tried to make rugby games since then, but they've
never got the game player as good as John O

(54:12):
loom and rugby. What a fantastic game that was.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Yeah, that was huge. It is twenty three pass two.
O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call.

Speaker 5 (54:24):
Matt Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty on used Talk
ZB for a.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Good afternoon to you. It is twenty five past two
and we're talking about gaming. So the gaming industry in
New Zealand, it does punch above its weight considering the
resources that they have to utilize. But very clever people
in this country doing very clever things, but they are
asking or needing a bit more government support to be
able to compete internationally. But if you are into gaming,
we'd love to hear what are you playing, what do

(54:51):
you remember playing? And if you're in the industry, how
is it looking at the moment? Oh eight hundred eighteen
eighty so, and I'm going to.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Call Resident Evil four best game ever made for PS two.
I lost hundreds of hours playing that one, easy, medium, hard,
and nightmare. Now I work not as much fun. That's
from Taylor. They they're remaking all these games because my
son's playing some old is and evil games or is
it an evil too? Was good that there's this particular
jump scare that people have played that game that will

(55:18):
remember when the zombie comes jumping through the window.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
Terrifying game, terrifying games. Gary, How are you.

Speaker 12 (55:27):
Yourself?

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Very good? Are you into gaming?

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (55:30):
Here, probably a bit too much?

Speaker 3 (55:33):
And what what are you playing on now? Have you
got the new consoles or you're going old school?

Speaker 7 (55:38):
No?

Speaker 12 (55:39):
No, no, old school, don't swear at me. No. See,
well they call it master I saw something. I mean
p se versus console. But yeah, play call it Judy,
Battlefield de Old A Force or first First some shooter games.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Are you playing those on online?

Speaker 12 (56:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (56:07):
I mean that the level of skill playing you know,
any of those games online. It's phenomenal, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (56:13):
Yeah, I'm not skilled, Crocky. I'm just about bloody sixty now,
and so they all reflexes that are pretty slow, So
you're going to be a bit craftier as opposed to
go fast. But my gaming is sort of started. Yeah,
I suppose it's about fourteen, somewhere around the Struth. That's

(56:34):
about forty four odd years ago playing Pong.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
Oh yeah great game.

Speaker 12 (56:41):
Yeah not really when you think about these days, but yeah,
suddenly and yeah you sort of.

Speaker 13 (56:48):
Moved on to the old Sega and the scene.

Speaker 12 (56:51):
Yeah. Yeah, he played on the old Commodore sixty four
and so forth back in those days. But yeah, then
we progressed. Mentioned the sea games, I think a Strauss
Master or something like that spacey game that played on theirs. Yeah,
he's been airs and airs trying to get through all
these things. And yeah, most of the time you got

(57:14):
got smashed, but yeah, such as life. But yeah, yeah
you saw progress from there. You go on to the PlayStation. Yes,
you did have the old three sixty, but yeah, PlayStation
was better in those days.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
So when you talk about Pong, you talking about that
game that just had two sort of bars that went
up and down and you had a cursor back and forth,
and it was sort of a representation of ping pong.

Speaker 12 (57:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Yeah, see, people addictive, great gameplay. Absolutely the only control
you've got this ability to You don't even have control
how far you hit the ball back. All you've got
control of is moving the rectangle up and down so
it can knock the square back and forth with your opponent.

Speaker 12 (58:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
And that was enough fun, wasn't it.

Speaker 12 (58:07):
But yeah, nowadays, I know we get this idea that
everybody's going back to the yeah eight, But yeah, this
whole games and the ain thing I can think of
the broken bums that can't afford a decent machine, they're
still paint on a PlayStation run or two.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
You know, well, I can tell you, Gary, because my
sixteen year old son is deep into gaming in a
way that I used to be deep into alternative music.
So there's a path they go, and they know the
story of the people that can that program the games right,
the games. They know when they're coming out, and when
they come out, they're heavy gameplay, but the graphics and
often they're two D, they're from above, and they're incredibly difficult.

(58:52):
Because what they got sick of as games that I
like playing where you get a thousand chances, you go
into the room, you shoot everyone, and then if you die,
you get another goe. They like the games now where
it comes through and you just die. It's so incredibly hard.
Like old school games there were you know, second chances
and lives came in much later in gaming, so that

(59:13):
they just love that because because if they've just been
brought up in the games, their minds have been warped
by them and they're just not impressed by the graphics anymore.
And I'm amazed when I go up to my son's room,
he's got this incredibly he's got an incredibly expensive PC.
I bought him with an incredible graphics card, and he's
playing games that you could play on floody Nintendo sixty four,

(59:33):
probably on Commodore, on the Zex eighty one.

Speaker 12 (59:41):
Oh. To give me an idea, like most of the
games that came out on the Sega system, on the
Nintendo system and so forth, he Cam ROMs and you
can get these heaps on heaps of different lats. That's

(01:00:08):
can basically take all those ROMs and actually play them
on any system that you've got computer system brothers. So
you know, the old retro games aren't lost, They're still there.

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:00:25):
I tried to say Commanded Conquer the other day they
downloaded it, but yeah, Health Computer's a bit too advanced.
Also Tiberian Wars or something.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Yeah, yeah, I mean you can get you can get
those emulators, can't you. And the problem is, you know
I've foundloaded those emulators before, and I start playing these
games that I've just raved about my whole life. Yeah,
and you play them again and you go, oh, maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
It's never the same, you remember, maybe things.

Speaker 12 (01:00:53):
Have moved on all of my bloody farm, Like I
was playing Jesus the Original Space Invaders and also Defender.
Yeah you don't remember Defender. There was the Yeah, best
game at the time when it came out on Gallagher
Spacing Machines.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 12 (01:01:15):
It was good.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Yeah, you know, the track to Gallagher was playing so
long on twenty cents that your chips and your and
your hot dog were ready in waiting.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
A lot of skill. That Yeah, a lot of skill.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
I think you call Gary. I think one of the
reasons why kids are going back to these lower I
guess low, low graphics games. Lower quality graphic games are
games like Minecraft and Roadblocks that became so big. But
Minecraft isn't about the graphics. It's it's all square, blocky graphics,
but it's just the huge expanse of what you can
do in a sandbox game. You can do anything, anything

(01:01:50):
you want, So the graphics became less important, and now
that sort of conditioned them to not care about graphics. Yeah,
you know that's what That's one theory on it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. We've got one line spare if you want
to get through. Really can never chat with you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Path of Exile, New Zealand made game is doing x dreamly.
Well is that what that's from that company? Isn't it that?

Speaker 5 (01:02:12):
What do they call Rocketworks?

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
No, they are the GGG grinding year games. I think
it is. Yeah, they're one of the ones that did
really really well last year.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
Yeah, I've got rave reviews as well. Oh, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is and I would call it
is twenty seven to three.

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Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Thank you very much, Raylan, and we are talking about
the gaming industry in New Zealand. There is an editorial
in the Herald today pushing the government for more support
for this industry to better compete internationally with some of
the other gaming studios. On the line right now, as
Duan Muttu, he is widely regarded as one of the
most influential people in the video game industry here in
New Zealand. He's an expert in esports as well and

(01:04:07):
is on the founding board of the New Zealand Esports
a Federation. He joins us on the line now, Duir,
I'm very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 19 (01:04:14):
You're good to be on the show and good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
What are some of the successes out of New Zealand
in terms of games.

Speaker 20 (01:04:22):
Look, when we think about gaming, if we look at
the size of the sector, we think about globally, what
you're really chasing and saying that's close to three hundred billion,
right now and that's meant to grow to in twenty
thirty two over five hundred billion. If we look comparatively
to how we're going as a video game sector in
New Zealand, and really that's what we're talking about.

Speaker 19 (01:04:42):
We are growing and this year, look.

Speaker 20 (01:04:45):
We achieved great results looking at closer to seven hundred
and fifty million and that will get to a billion.
But if you look at that in compared it to
the global stats, we're still way behind and there's lots
of reasons for that. So whilst it's a good story,
we need support from the government to really make it
a great story.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
So what are the games that are successful for us now?
Because there's Grower Garden, isn't there. There's a few others
that have that have gone.

Speaker 20 (01:05:11):
We've had some great success stories. We've got some great studios,
I mean some of the household studio names, you know,
grinding Gear Games, Pick Pock, the internationally renowned and then
also we've had, you know, a game called Icarus that
was number one in the world on Steam, which is
where you purchased most of the games from. So the
story of New Zealand and the quality is there.

Speaker 19 (01:05:31):
But again when you look at us.

Speaker 20 (01:05:33):
From a you know, small market five million, we just
don't have the support we need to push to push
board and and that's really the challenge when you look
at other markets like Australia and other sectors that are sorry,
other markets around the world that are comparative and size
and what they're getting in the way of investment. So
quality is there, but the government haven't got behind it

(01:05:54):
in the way they need to, and that is where
we're starting to lose talent and opportunities to the other
other players.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
Is that the big danger head one is that you
get the likes of grinding gear that you mentioned, and
rocket Works is another one. And there's a few other
big gaming studios here in New Zealand, not so big
on the international stage, but they've got that reputation that
they say, we can get a better deal in Australia
and we can attract more talent if we base ourselves off.

Speaker 12 (01:06:19):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
Is that the danger that we're facing right now.

Speaker 19 (01:06:22):
That's definitely the danger.

Speaker 20 (01:06:23):
So you know, going back a few years which I
was involved with this, I mean we really pushed any
dealing government to sort of champion early and we were
advanced versus where our Australian counterparts were and then we
missed a boat, you know, in my opinion, and then
the Australians came out and ultimately offered thirty percent rebate
on tax, plus each of the states also.

Speaker 19 (01:06:42):
Offer a rebate.

Speaker 20 (01:06:43):
So what you're talking about is, you know, somewhere up
to potentially forty percent. And we've only just implemented our
twenty percent rebate here in New Zealand, right, so we're
already behind. And then you think about currency, you think
about the talent the pool to go to Australia anyway,
and that's our closest you know ally, that's our challenge
and so we need to have you know, more in
the way of government to support it when you think

(01:07:06):
about the rebates versus our neighbors next door.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
So we're in danger of whole successful key we gaming
companies just up upping sticks and moving their whole operations
to Australia.

Speaker 20 (01:07:17):
We are, and we've seen that, to be comply honest
with you, we've seen that already play out where some
of the bigger students that don't want to speak on
behalf of them specifically, you know, by name. But we're
starting to see that where you can you know, open
up you know a studio or a party of student
offshore and open up those incentives.

Speaker 19 (01:07:33):
And then if you look at what.

Speaker 20 (01:07:35):
Happening in Australia, if you're a young one coming through
and obviously we need more talent here in New Zealand,
they're looking and going well, actually, you know Australia because
there's more money there because they're offering these incentives, which
obviously goes back to the bottom line, and then the
employees they want to go offshore and then take up
those opportunities.

Speaker 19 (01:07:52):
So it's not only the studios themselves, but it's actually
the talent.

Speaker 20 (01:07:55):
The New Zealand talent we have here. We can't retain them,
so we end up with a skills shortage and that's
a challenge as well. So it's not just as studios,
it's actually the talent that we're creating here in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
What are the opportunities when it comes to the gaming
industry and esports day and obviously you're heavily involved in
esports in New Zealand. Does that tie in with the
strength of our gaming industry? If we don't have a
strong industry here, then that becomes harder to attract those
big esport events.

Speaker 19 (01:08:21):
Look, there's slightly different in regards to you know, what
they are.

Speaker 20 (01:08:25):
In other words, you know, we look at studios, we're
creating games. And to your point, I've been around esports
a long time. As a sector. Within esports, I'd say
we're actually very strong because we have a national federation
which is actually globally renowned.

Speaker 19 (01:08:37):
Because some partners don't do that.

Speaker 20 (01:08:39):
So I'd say we're actually advanced in the esports sector
and we should leverage some of that I guess capability
and support that we get from the government. But you
see with the government, they look at that as a sport,
so it's a different funding vehicle versus studios which come
under rebates and much more like the film sector. So
whilst they're tied, I'd say they're slightly different because one

(01:09:00):
is fundamentally a sport and follows that trajectory. One is
more of a you know, a creative pursuit in a
business pursuit.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
So, apart from rebates, what else could be done to
bolster this this sector? Do we have strong domestic training
pathways into into the gaming sector. Is it is it
easy to get skilled up in New Zealand, so you
can join a major company or start a starter company
and get amongst Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:09:26):
Look, what I'd say is I think one, if you're
out there, we have a various range of studios, right,
I think you know roughly we're not and I looked
at it. We had sort of around sixty studios themselves.
But some of those studios are sixty five studios, but
they are right the way to the big ones we
mentioned the top right through to sort of one or
two of us that want to develop games. The great
thing about developing games, and this is why should be

(01:09:48):
so strong at a governmental level, is most.

Speaker 19 (01:09:52):
Of the revenue is offshore.

Speaker 20 (01:09:53):
So we look at ninety ninety five percent of the
revenue that's attracted for these games comes from offshore market.
So if you are at home, you can code, You
could create your own studio by yourself and attract international
international money. Right fundamental, And we know it's tough here.
So we're talking about instead of being landlocked to the
country or the five million people here, you actually open

(01:10:15):
yourself up to this global market. Most of those markets
that are big, the US, Europe, Asia, pacifics on our
doorstep and so I'd say that's part of it, so
you can go out and become your.

Speaker 19 (01:10:25):
Own studio, your own business owner.

Speaker 20 (01:10:27):
I will say that we've really developed in the last
couple of years, growing the talent, so that's exciting. We
do see now some investment people like CODE who are
bringing through the young ones who are really interested in
upskilling and game manufacturing development, all those things that we
need in the sector. So I'd say in that regard, good,
but what you don't want to do to my first

(01:10:48):
point is get to a point where all that talent
is offshore and we can't grow either as a standalone
student that wants to grow or is a talent coming through.
And then I think the other thing that we have
going for us is people like us as people, you
know Kiwi's, you know, we have our indigenous storytelling, you know,
see Maori. We are liked around the world. What we

(01:11:09):
need from the government as well is not just money.
We need to make sure that our studios are shown
around the world. And so I spent a lot of
time in the Middle East. That's the sort of the
mecha of gaming at the moment, and we need to
make sure that we have trade missions up there. That
don't just talk about agriculture and our traditional fields. We
want to be saying, look, we have great studios, great talent,
how can we get into those markets.

Speaker 19 (01:11:30):
And you know, part of the juney I.

Speaker 20 (01:11:32):
Had a month ago was actually doing that to make
sure we could open up some pathways for our studios
and talent so we can tell that story in those
bigger markets.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
So, you know, just to sort of bring this all together,
what specifically do you want to see the government do
around the gaming industry?

Speaker 20 (01:11:50):
Yeah, look, I think what we really want to do is,
if we look at it, we want to make sure
that we want government support and incentives.

Speaker 19 (01:11:58):
So we want to strengthen.

Speaker 20 (01:11:59):
Note, how do we get tax rebates, grants, subsidies for hiring,
so that's on shore. We want to make sure that
it's appealing for some of the big studios and talent
to want to make New Zealand a base and we're
seeing that with the movie sector. How do we attract
some of the household names and studios down here in
New Zealand. We want to make sure that we have
collaborations with the biggest publishers. I mean, you would have

(01:12:22):
seen overnight the big news or the last couple of
nights is that EA was acquired by the Saudia's for
fifty five billion. How do we strengthen both our pathway
over there? You have big, big, big money and we
want to make sure that we have a focus of
those trade missions, international showcases where the government can take
our studios offshore into these markets which happened all over

(01:12:44):
the world to showcase not only the New Zealand Ink story,
but the New.

Speaker 19 (01:12:48):
Zealand Ink story in our game development sector.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
Dwain, really good to get you on, really appreciate your
expertise and we'll catch up with you very soon.

Speaker 19 (01:12:57):
Yeah, thanks so much, Jean, great afternoon you too.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
That is way move to ahead of New Zealand esports
and heavily involved in the gaming industry, so plenty of
texts coming through on this one. Nine two ninety two
is the number. But from you, oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
I'll be interested to what it's like to actually work
in the gaming industry because you know, a lot of
kids love gaming and a lot of kids dream of
being e sports superstars, and some people when they talk
about wanting to get into the gaming industry, they imagine
they could be game testers, but they just test games
all day. Yeah, prototype games all day, sitting in a
flash office somewhere. But I wonder what the reality of
working in the industry is actually like. You know, a

(01:13:34):
lot of programming involved. You have to be pretty smart,
and I imagine it's pretty pretty hard work.

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
Yeah, if you're in the industry, love to hear from you. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty, ten eighty, it's thirteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between.

Speaker 5 (01:13:50):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
It'd be it is ten to three and we're talking
about the gaming industry in New Zealand. To push from
the industry and an editory on the Herald saying that
the government needs to do more to support this industry
to compete internationally.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
This text says, shouldn't we be doing more to get
people outside and stead of you guys encouraging them to
play games, Well, if they go inside for their working
week and bring in seven hundred and fifty eight million,
nine hundred and nineteen four hundred and twenty seven million
dollars a year, thirty eight point six percent increase, then

(01:14:25):
I'd say, yeah, let's get those people indoors making that money.
Because it's a pure export industry. You've got people sitting
in Dunedin, for example, you know, working in the gaming industry,
and a relative mind works works in that industry. They're
sitting there interned in my hometown and bringing in millions
and millions and millions of dollars into our economy. So

(01:14:47):
you know, look, if we make games here that are
so addictive that everyone in America is sitting in their
rooms playing their game, then bluddy good, yeah, John done.
You know, you work your fifty hour week or whatever
it is, and then go out and enjoy the outdoors.
But good on these people, because it looks like the
kind of industry that is, as you said before, Tyler's

(01:15:08):
kind of has no end to it. And how big
it can.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
Be massively scalable.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
If if you have an incredibly successful game and it
blows up the amount of money that can come into
our country is it's it's unfathomable. What was it, five
hundred billion dollars a year industry.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Yep, yep, easily globally. Yeah, so eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. If you work in the industry, what is
it actually like here on the ground in New Zealand?
If you want to send a text, ninety two ninety
two is that number.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
Grow Garden is the biggest game in the world at
the moment, made by Kiwi Jensen, Marsden, Madsene. It's bigger
than Fortnite.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
Wow, Fortnite is massive.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
And this texta just says I loved playing Crash Bandicoot.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
That was a great game. Very nicely done. Mate. All right,
let's go to Actually we will play some messages. So
when we come back, we're gonna have a chat to
James who wants to have a chat about the species
O eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Call the issues that affect you and a bit of
fun along the way, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams after news.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
Talks, that'd be very good afternoon. We're talking about the
gaming industry in New Zealand. Does more need to be
done from our government to support our gaming industry to
make it more competitive?

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
This Texas says just what we want to be known for,
creating little games that destroy productivity and waste the lives
of people that use them. What a great contribution to
the planet. It's actually the number eight fencing wire mentality
that we're proud of New Zealand's reappearing in a modern

(01:16:41):
digital way. In my opinion, whether it was a tortured
sentence I got out there, coughed it out made sense.
But you know what I mean, it's finding ways. You
think of the Bruce Bruce McLaren situation, so you don't
he didn't have all the gear. It was hard to
import parts into the country, so he developed the skills
and making racing cars using the limitations of New Zealand.

(01:17:04):
But the brilliance of that mentality of getting things done
with what you've got. Now you've got a situation where
there's people in New Zealand that don't have the flasher
setups and they don't have the big companies beside them
behind them, but they're making games that are bringing a
lot of money into the country. So it's not just
what we want to be high for creating little games

(01:17:24):
that destroy productivity and waste of the lives of people
that use them. It's just a misunderstanding of the way
a country like New Zealand needs to make money going forward.
In the future. We've got to have money going in
nicely said, and this is pure innovation and it's pure export. Yeah,
it's they make games, people download them, and the money
comes into the country.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
This is how we get ahead in the world. This
is the future. This is the billions and billions of
dollars going into this form of entertainment. If we are
not on this bandwag and then we are going to
miss out. As you say, there are people working on
a smell of an oily rag like the Bruce McLaren's
of the gaming world, checking butts and not getting any
support for it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
But that's texassess what a great contribution to the planet.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
Oh cheaper snow helped some people. Well anyway, great discussion, James,
welcome the show.

Speaker 13 (01:18:13):
Any guys.

Speaker 17 (01:18:13):
Yeah, no, I agree with what you what you just
mentioned about just giving it a go, grab me a
number a wire and then make it. We're rich in
their culture of I'll make a game and the graphics
look like Alextair kidding as does who cares.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Let's go yeah love that Alex the kid. So sorry, James,
that was my bad. We've got the news coming up.
But you're a good man. We all love the space.
He's back in the day. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is a number of call. Get in the
queue because we're talking about PDA next.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
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Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
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Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
You go mate, No I was. I was just breathing.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
Oh you're going to need a big deep breath for
this one. PDA. So you may have seen this story,
ow dare they a couple's excessive kissing and fondling on
a packed in New Zealand. It's a great word, fondling,
isn't it? On a packed in New Zealand flight, it
means a lot. Yeah, it does mean a lot has
parked more than just a couple of passengers who are

(01:19:51):
pretty uncomfortable. They did face court charges for an indecent
act in public, so it was pretty amorous behavior. But well,
that's a more extreme example. It has grabbed the headlines, obviously,
but it raises a bigger question around PDA public displays
of effect. And I'm going to put myself out on
a limb here. I reckon, we're not so hot on

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PDA in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Well, it depends what you mean. What was happening on
that plane was a lot. That's a lot for people
to deal with it on a plane in a confined area, right,
and I think that most people would go that might
be worse than that might be. I'm not so worse,
because you know, we need more love in the world,
but it might be outside of the realms of PDA
public displays of affection that is public sexual activity.

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
Yeah, yeah, it certainly was. I mean, if you end
up in court for it. Yeah, obviously you probably took PDA.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
They probably went further around the bases then I would
call PDA. But personally, I don't care. If people want
to have a bit of a passion in public, I
don't care if if I mean, do you I asked
you this before, Tyler, I can't remember what you said. Sorry,
it's a few hours ago.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
Yeah, it's holding hands in public.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
Oh yeah, so I'm not a big fan of it.
I'm not a big fan of it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
So so I walked past with my lovely partner Tracy
holding hands. You were look down your nose at that
look dimly feel awkward.

Speaker 13 (01:21:12):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
See, here's the difference that if I see it out
in public, if I see you doing it or anybody else,
then I'm okay with it. But I wouldn't do it personally.
And the reason I wouldn't do it, I just think
it's a bit forlorn even. I mean, like, this will
make me sound like a mess of prude. It maybe
I am, but just holding hands and getting a little

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bit ca noodling.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
Yeah yeah, I mean it doesn't make you sound like
a prude tiler. It makes you sound like you have
the heart of a grinch, like your heart is a
couple of sizes too small. There's nothing sexual about holding
hands to be prudish about. It's just, you know, say,
if Tracy and I are walking the dog in the morning,
you know, before work, yep, might hold hands as well

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as we're walking down the street and talking. It's just
just a nice thing to do. I don't think that's
even in the same conversation as the what was going
on on that play?

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
So that's certainly right at stage one. I mean they
were at stage twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
Maybe, you know. And what about like a pass on
the street. Isn't that just just some love? I watched
a documentary last night. You can see it on YouTube.
It's Auckland in nineteen sixty seven. Can't remember exactly it's called.
It's it's New Zealand Film Commission. It's I think it's
just called Aucklande and it just goes round in films,
basically a day in Auckland and describes what Auckland is

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in ninety sixty seven. I've got to say in nineteen
sixty seven, New Zealand was a very confident country, sure
that it was forging a path towards the future and modernizing,
and it's a very positive documentary.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
Actually it sounds good.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
But there was so much PDA in that documentary. Pretty
there were people kissing on the streets, there were people
lying on the beach making out. There were people making
out and on boats. And I'm not sure if the
guy that made the documentary is just a purble what
or that was more the way people operated back in
nineteen sixty seven. But I saw that and thought there's
a lot of love.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
That was a henk.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
There was a lot of love in nineteen sixty sixty seven.
So I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
Context is important. I'll tell you. I'll tell you where
I draw the line or where I get uncomfortable. Is
that if I'm down at the beach and it's a nice,
warm Saturday, and you've got kids running around and everyone's
having a good time. Then there's a couple and they're
on the towels and they're in their togs, and then
they start having a big old passion. I'm sitting right
next to them. Can you honestly say, You'll be sitting

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there and thinking, Oh, isn't that lovely? That's beautiful. I
would look there and think.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Can I describe the situation exactly again, I'm going to
picture it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
So I am sitting on joint. Actually I'll say the
beach Milford Beach over on the north Shore.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Beautiful beach, lovely beach, very popular, so act I like
their mental image so far.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
It's a lovely twenty five degree day in the peak
of summer on a Saturday morning. So you've gone to
get an ice cream. You're sitting down there. You found
your slice of beach that you've laid your towel out.
Then there's a young couple that has just put their
towel right beside you. They're in their togs and you know,
fairly good looking couple. You've got to say you've noticed
that before they sit down.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
Then I don't go around looking at people and judging
how good looking they are.

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
Okay, what's up to you? You know, no judgment.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
They hunting up like a little sign that says ten
on it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
No, you could do. So these kids running around in
the meantime, they're having a great time in the water,
and then all of a sudden this couple they started
holding hands and now you look over and they having
a massive snog, massive snog and they've been into it
for a good sort of fifteen seconds, and you're right
beside them, You're only half a meter away. Yeah, so
at that point, are you know, kind of saying that's love?

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
I probably would find it kind of amusing. I can
imagine me having a rye aside, like a laugh. I
might like look over at Tracy if she happens to
be the person beside me, and wink and laugh and
go check out these people. I said. They wouldn't be
offended by it. I wouldn't feel awkward by it. I mean,
I accept that we live in a world where people
sometimes pash. I don't know. I think I think, you know,

(01:25:08):
might I might say stop it there, I might say,
you might want to not go too much further? Yeah,
my mom, I wouldn't say anything. I might stand over
them and go I don't I don't have a problem
with what you're doing now, yep. But just just so
you know, I don't think you should go any further.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
You cannot escalate from here. That's enough. But a little
pash on the beach, Come on, No, I just find
it uncomfortable. But what do you say? Oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. Am I a prude? And are we
a bunch of prudes in New Zealand? Or is there
nothing wrong with a bit of PDA in public?

Speaker 11 (01:25:39):
Ah?

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
Look this Texas Steve. He might be right, guys. Ninety
sixty seven was flower Power era free love. Yeah, you
need to get into time machine made it was great. Yeah,
So maybe that's why that documentary had so much It
was there was the time of free love.

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
A lot of love going around that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
Well, I'll tell you what nineteen sixty seven in Auckland
looked like. A bloody good time?

Speaker 3 (01:25:59):
Is a forty past three? News talk said, be afternoon,
j there's sixteen past three. So we're talking about PDA
public displays of a fiction in New Zealand. Is it okay?
Or do you feel a bit uncomfortable when you see
people getting a little bit amorous? But hanky panky. I'm
probably making that a bit more extreme.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
This is funny because I was saying before I saw
this documentary from nineteen sixty seven on YouTube, you should
look it up. It's good. It's just on Auckland. It's
made by the New Zealand Film Commission. And someone said
before it was nineteen sixty seven, so it's probably free love.
That's why there was so much PDA in it. This
guy Ian says he was born in Auckland in nineteen
sixty eight, so that checks out. That checks out.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
Maybe ex out well done.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
Maybe sixty seven was a pretty randy year. I'm not
sure this tix is gross. No, Matt, I don't want
to see you walking around feeling your partner up. I
don't care how early it is. Holding hands is not
feeling your partner.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
Up stage one. It's not in the stage one, stage one.
It's just a nice show of affection.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
This one holding hand says holding hands is performative and
or controlling. Oh, you either want to make it clear
to others how much better your relationship is than other people's,
or imagine, in your case, Matt, making it clear to
her that you own her. Well, wow, that that this
person that's texting has definitely not met my partner because

(01:27:23):
I don't own her.

Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
No, No, I certainly doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
No one owns her. It would take a lot more
than holding hands for me to, you know, exert any
control over her.

Speaker 5 (01:27:35):
Woman.

Speaker 3 (01:27:36):
What do you think about that text?

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
And welcome to the show?

Speaker 13 (01:27:39):
Yeah, thanks, Matt. Can you guys hear me?

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
Are you can hear you loud and clear?

Speaker 5 (01:27:45):
Cool?

Speaker 21 (01:27:46):
Yeah, I was just going to tom.

Speaker 13 (01:27:50):
Sorry, Tyler, but you're quite the holding.

Speaker 3 (01:27:51):
Hands is a bit extreme, but march mate, Yeah, yeah,
around all.

Speaker 21 (01:27:59):
Of it is.

Speaker 8 (01:28:01):
If my wife feels more love and prettier in all
the things.

Speaker 13 (01:28:06):
Because I put my wife.

Speaker 8 (01:28:09):
Around it, und.

Speaker 13 (01:28:14):
Then that's what run. I would be.

Speaker 9 (01:28:18):
Worried that that, Tyler's I think there's something about her reason.

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
Yeah, that's a fair point. But look, there's a couple
of things here I've got to say about it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
Are you going to talk about the speech she walked? Yeah? Okay, yeah,
because so part of this doesn't. This doesn't make you
look good before, because it's all it does. You told
me this off here, and it doesn't make you look good, Tyler,
but you go ahead and share it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
Well, let's let the audience decide whether this makes me
look good or whether it makes the situation a bit better.
So normally, you know, if my lovely partner may and
she is far better than I am, and I love
her dearly, if she wants to hold hands, or quite
often we do that, we the arm through the elbow
situation sort.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
Of a pride and prejudice go for a walk around
the gardens of the country estate Jane Austin type situation.

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
Yeah, yeah, so so I'll allow it. Usually there's a
time limit on it as well. But the big issue
here is I'm a fast walker, right, and I don't
really have anywhere to be. I just like to be
moving at a fair rate of knots, whereas Mave's a daordler.
So then when I'm holding hands or we're linked arms
and she's taking too long to actually walk where we're

(01:29:27):
trying to walk to, I get frustrated. So then I
feel like I'm dragging may along.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
No but Tyler, So when you're going somewhere with your
lovely partner, do you just go faster? Don't you can't
be bother waiting for her? So what do you walk
fifteen meters ahead of her to try and hurry her up?
Don't you have to wait for her when you get there?
Don't you want to? I don't you want to walk
along beside her and have a nice chat and experience
the absolute beauty of your relationship and share your thoughts

(01:29:55):
and hopes and dreams as you're wandering along the road
to wherever you go.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
Well, usually I give her a head start so then
by the time I catch up, then we can have
a nice, nice chat before we get to Then have you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
Thought about you know like you do and you know
in the in Melbourn cart with handicaps, So maybe load
yourselves up, you load you up with weights to slow
yourself down of it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:17):
Actually that could work. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is number to call. This is a good text here,
giddo lads. New Zealand is massively prudish. I've got called out.
Me and my partner have been called out three times
being too affectionate. First incident was in a public pool. Yes,
there were children on the pool next to us, but
we were in the spa area of a hot pool
and we were only sitting next to each other harmlessly kissing.

(01:30:40):
The lifeguard came and told us in a rude way
that we should stop or leave because there were children.
Second incident was in a bakery for holding hands and
one little kiss and we were called out are you
on your honeymoon or what? By the owner with a
pushing undertone. The third incident, while we were sitting in
our park car kissing again, not eating each other or anything.
The guy, this guy came up. This guy came up,

(01:31:02):
and we'll pass our car. Then he screamed, get a room.
New Zealand does massively prudish grow up?

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
Yes, who cares if someone's having a little passion in
a sparkle. This text from Tammy filled my heart full
of joy, my cup runneth over. When you see older
people holding hands makes me feel so happy that the
love is still strong. See you know that's.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
I mean, look if it's a lovely older couple and
they're sitting on a park bench and they're holding hands,
of course that's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
Linda says holding hands is lovely and just blends two
people together. And she also says love seeing older people
holding hands. You know, when my lovely mother was still
a right alive, my dad and her used to hold
hands all the time, And I thought, look at that.
They've been married for so long and they still love
each other.

Speaker 18 (01:31:53):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
Meanwhile, beautiful thing, if it was Tyler, it'd be hoofing
off down the road like Usain Bolt. That's you know,
trying to get trying to get where he's going. It's
all about how quickly you get there.

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
Speed. Compatibility is a big thing in relationships. I'm telling
you rather that it's twenty two past three PDA. Where
do you draw the line? In New Zealand?

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
Love to hear from you, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons
call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty on us talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
It's twenty four pars three. There's some great seaks coming through.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
When I say to my wife, shall we hold hands
while walking down the replete she applies f off. That
is not happening. Since Michael, that's nice, Michael. My wife's
never been into PDAs. She will never kiss me in
front of other people. Personally, I think it's spoiled the weddings.
That's good from you.

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
David, It's very good from you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
Is Tyler asure a sock? We're are in bed usually socks? Sure,
we are in beds extreme woman love a little hold,
hand handholding. Something has gone wrong for that person to
think handholding is a dominating act. Yeah, another text on
that person that's said that that holding hands is performative
and or controlling. That person saying it is exerting your

(01:33:07):
ownership of your auner is definitely a victim mentality person,
How can you take a natural gesture between two people
into a negative We and me and my wife do
it all the time. Most times there isn't even anyone around.
But like Tyler, my wife likes like walks like the
road is falling it way behind so much times if
we're not holding hands, it's because she is too far

(01:33:28):
ahead of me.

Speaker 3 (01:33:28):
Oh, thank you, thank you for that support.

Speaker 2 (01:33:31):
You're absolutely right, Tyler. Travel speed, Yeah, speed walking compatibility.
Walking speed compatibility is a major issue.

Speaker 3 (01:33:38):
It's huge, it's huge if you can't walk at the
same speed.

Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
Bob, he's got the solution. They hate stupid walk circles
around mavee and you both get there at the same time.
That's a good point.

Speaker 3 (01:33:46):
Now you're thinking, Bob, So it doesn't sold.

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
The handhole, it doesn't sold. You'll have to go from
hand to hand. Mae's walking down the road and you're
just walking around and around in circles to be at
the same speed as her, well, swapping hands as you walk. Crowded. Yeah,
very practical way to get from A to B. Someone
will call the police on that. James Walking of the Show, Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:34:07):
Hi, I don't know, I'm talking to is it Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
Is it it's Matt? You said, Tyler's here as well, James.

Speaker 22 (01:34:13):
Yeah, I just sent to text at a few minutes
ago saying Tyler, Tyler, you amazed me how you felt
like that, you know, lying on Milford Beach. But when
the people came in saying it was controlling and so on,
I thought, I think this demands a phone call. I
can't like some of the people calling, and I can't
get over why anybody would have a problem with seeing

(01:34:37):
somebody holding hands. And the guy said how he's been
called out for three times once in a stop or
guessing well, anything like that. I mean, if they're going
much beyond that, then that's another conversation. But to say
that holding hands is controlling or anything like that, I
just find amazing. I'm seventy three. We've just had our

(01:34:59):
forty six wedding anniversary.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
Congratulations Jae, how awesome.

Speaker 22 (01:35:03):
Thanks a lot. She probably deserves congratulations all of them.
It's it's been pretty good, and we've always had out
ups and downs. Of course, you know, i'd bat life's
work well for us, got four ad alt kits and
grandchildren and Sean mar But we still walk around holding

(01:35:24):
hands and.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
I love that.

Speaker 22 (01:35:27):
Don't have a problem with it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
And you know what a lot of people are saying
when they see you know, people if you don't mindly
calling you an older person, James, when they see people
walking around that are still holding hands and still have
that love for each other, it gives everyone hope that
that you can find that person, that you can spend
a long time with them and still feel such affection

(01:35:50):
for them that you reach out and grab their grab
their hand. You know, it's not all about the speed
of walking, Tyler.

Speaker 22 (01:35:57):
I noticed with amusement people coming back and so they
find cues or something seeing older that would be an
actual facts funny you've just reminded me. Were sitting in
a little bar down and my Rengie Bay a year ago,
and a couple saw us sitting inside a younger couple
and they actually commented to us. I've forgotten that they

(01:36:20):
were on their first date. They'd met online, and we
walked past from going up. I can't remember holding it,
but they were watching us.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
They saw their hopeful future.

Speaker 22 (01:36:34):
And they commented on it. Yeah that's just a year,
they go, Yeah, I don't have a problem with it,
And I think you've probably used a bit of a
fear term actually met you said, maybe some people are
a bit grinched.

Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
Like, yeah, maybe some people's hearts are just a couple
of sizes too small. Thank you so much for you call, James,
and congratulations on your forty six years with your lovely
wife that you still want to hold hands with blissed.
I hope there, I hope, I hope you're feeling a
little bit like a person. But what James didn't mention
was a speak compatibility, and I take it judging that
the lasted Are you still there.

Speaker 22 (01:37:07):
James, Yeah, I'm sorry. No, I walk way faster than intranet.

Speaker 2 (01:37:12):
But but but you're willing to slow it down, well.

Speaker 22 (01:37:19):
Intentionally slow it down. She actually probably walks quite quickly
with me. She doesn't hang about, she doesn't definitely doesn't
do Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:28):
That's the compromise that I needed my life. James. Yeah,
very good.

Speaker 2 (01:37:32):
Yeah. The person saying it's succeeding your ownership of your partners,
I know we've already read that text. Is some mandy
coming through hock into it. What's it to me? I'll
either wander off or hang about. I think that's fair.

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
That is fair.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
I mean, you know the first part of this guy,
go for it. What's it to me? I'll either wander off,
I mean hanging about and having a good locks probably
not necessarily.

Speaker 3 (01:37:54):
A right great discussion, Thank you very much. Really enjoyed that.
So I think it sounds like from most people that
are pretty okay with holding handswer.

Speaker 2 (01:38:02):
I think holding hands is absolutely fine. Maybe a little
bit of kurse going hammer and tongs on a plane
that too far? And he hen's the charges that have
been made.

Speaker 3 (01:38:10):
Good to clear that up right? Coming up next, we've
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Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:39:49):
Thank you very much, ray Leane. Sir Gareth abdnor just
before we're going.

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
Too that, tylic I just read one final text on
the previous topic. Please, my missus walks sideways like a crab,
even when she hasn't been drinking. If we hold hands
or link arms are risk being tripped up.

Speaker 3 (01:40:03):
That is a tough position to be in. I don't
even know. I don't have any advice for you.

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
Missus walk'side, it's like a crab. She holding her hands
up and snapping that. Anyway, It's quite a talent, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (01:40:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:40:15):
Anyway, anyway, sorry discussion Moving on to the next thing. Well,
a good person to chat to right now is Gareth
heptenoi's employment, workplace and information expert and director of Abdenaugh Employment. Lord, Gareth,
welcome back. How are you?

Speaker 18 (01:40:27):
Oh, I'm good, Thanks guys, it's great to be here.

Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
Yeah, great to have you now.

Speaker 12 (01:40:31):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
It's been a couple of weeks since we've had a
chat with you, and last week you would have been
a happy, happy man seeing some of those announcements to
the changes of your beloved holiday act.

Speaker 18 (01:40:43):
I was pleasantly surprised.

Speaker 3 (01:40:45):
I have to say, yeah, and so initial thoughts about
how that's going to work through. It just seems like
it makes things more simplistic, right, Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:40:54):
I guess one of the big difficulties that we've had
is the current legislation is really out of date and
it's not fit for purpose. When you look at how
people work these days. It's kind of designed for when
people used to work Monday to Friday, forty hours a week,

(01:41:15):
and it's not really like that for a lot of
people these days. It's much simpler than new legislation, and
hopefully it'll be a lot easier for workers to understand
what they're entitled to and for employers to actually make
sure that workers get paid what they should.

Speaker 3 (01:41:33):
Yeah, and we'll just have to see how the detail
comes out. Is that legislation has pushed through, Gareth, If
you've got a question for Gareth, now's your opportunity. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
The techs have already started coming through on nine to
nine two. This is a good one. Gareth. Where do
I stand when I see my manager's email that he

(01:41:54):
deletes about me in a negative content? Do I approach
him about it or just leave it?

Speaker 18 (01:42:03):
Well, that's a tricky one. So it's not clear who
the email is from. If it's someone sending an email
to the manager and the manager deletes it, well sounds
like the manager's doing you are solid. If it's the
manager that's actually sending negative stuff about this employee, raises

(01:42:28):
the question how do you know about these emails? So
I think we need a bit more detail.

Speaker 22 (01:42:35):
You know.

Speaker 18 (01:42:36):
I often say to people, just be careful what you
wish for. Yes, you can raise it, but are you
going to be making a bigger issue out of it?
You know, if there's no negative consequences, then maybe just
let it lie.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
Here's another interesting one that I'm just trying to unpack here.
Unpack here as I read it. Gareth, can my employer
promote her daughter over me? She is lazy, rude, frankly incompetent.
I think I think it's in continent and.

Speaker 18 (01:43:16):
That's a whole different story.

Speaker 2 (01:43:18):
And we are going for a new, new position, we
have the job description, it's just me and her. It
doesn't seem right. Can I raise this as an issue?
If she gets the position? I will know why.

Speaker 18 (01:43:32):
Yeah, you can definitely raise it as an issue, and
and you could argue that you're being unfairly disadvantaged, which
gives you the basis for a personal grievance. Of course,
I'm not sure how successful you're going to be if
you start bagging the.

Speaker 2 (01:43:47):
Boss's daughter to the boss.

Speaker 18 (01:43:51):
You know, the boss may not be a fan of
their daughter, but quite possibly they are, so yeah, pick
your battles. But you know, if if the boss's daughter
genuinely is not very good at the job and not
qualified for this position and this person misses out on

(01:44:12):
it because it gets given to her, you do have
the basis for acclaim. It may, however, be career limiting.

Speaker 2 (01:44:20):
Yeah, so what rights does the employer have to pick
curver they want? If you can quantifiably show that you
were better at the job, and you know, I've been
around longer, whatever, all the things that you need to
do the job, and someone else has been picked instead
of you, have you got any recourse at all?

Speaker 5 (01:44:38):
You do?

Speaker 18 (01:44:40):
Fundamentally, an employer has to act fairly and reasonably. Now,
you know, people often come and see me and say, well,
you know, I should have got that position because I've
got all the skills, But they don't always have the
full picture. They don't have all of the facts, and
so you know, I'm not saying the boss's daughter isn't lazy,

(01:45:03):
isn't incompetent, But you need to be very careful before
you start making allegations.

Speaker 2 (01:45:09):
Like that, you know, look for the adult and happy
and then that's good luck. Karen, welcome to the show.
Your question for Gareth?

Speaker 4 (01:45:20):
Yeah, Hi, I want for the Health Authority for a
long time, you know, and they were always like having
paid disputes in that and then they were waiting for
like back pair.

Speaker 9 (01:45:30):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:45:31):
Now, if you've left in the interim while you were
waiting for that back pair to arrive, are you able
to claim that after you've gone.

Speaker 18 (01:45:40):
Yeah. I don't know the facts of that particular situation,
but the general rule is yes, if you are owed entitlements,
they're still owing to you even if you leave the job.
There may be situations, though, where there are payments that
are only owing to people who are still employed. For example,

(01:46:03):
bonus schemes often have terms that mean you're only if
you're still there. But if this is a statutory or
contractual entitlement, you should still be able to claim it
and I would be getting.

Speaker 5 (01:46:18):
In touch, all right, thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:46:20):
Yeah, good luck with that one. Where's your accent from Karen,
if you don't mind me asking what's your accent? Is
it Welsh?

Speaker 20 (01:46:29):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:46:29):
Lankashire, Lankish? But I've been here half Scottish, half English,
but I've been here about forty years.

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
So if you if you're half what did your half
Scottish halsh in clips half English?

Speaker 4 (01:46:40):
Yeah, my mother was Scottish, my father was.

Speaker 2 (01:46:42):
English, and then you mix up with a bit of
Kiwi and this it sounds like a bit of Welsh.

Speaker 4 (01:46:46):
And I've got well somewhere else.

Speaker 3 (01:46:51):
But of everything, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
It's beautiful whatever it is, it's a beautiful hybrid. And yeah,
you've got a lovely voice. So thank you for ringing,
and I hope Gareth help.

Speaker 3 (01:46:59):
Thank you very much, Karen. Right, if you had a
question for GARETHO eighte hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number of calli's standing by, It is eighteen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:47:07):
Letty Adams taking your calls on eight hundred eighty eighty.
It's mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:47:15):
They'd be good afternoons you Employment law expert Gareth Abdnor
is with us. If you've got a question for him.
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty c number.

Speaker 2 (01:47:21):
Call Chris your questions for Gareth please yep.

Speaker 21 (01:47:26):
This want to ask when you give notice to your
employer and your owde your one month Well, there was
one month's notice and you're owed a month's notice.

Speaker 22 (01:47:39):
Quus the.

Speaker 21 (01:47:41):
Leave and also final pay if they paid one part
of it but you're wet paid the rest, can they
text you a second and a third time considering they
should have done it in one go, or do they
have to text it a second and third time because
I I kind of find it's double dipping.

Speaker 18 (01:48:05):
Yeah, Chris, that's a strange situation. It doesn't matter if
they pay it and one, two or three different amounts.
The tax should be on the amount that you're paid.
They can't. They can't double tax you. What often happens, though,

(01:48:29):
is that people are surprised when their final pay has
more tax than expected. Take an offer, and that's and
that's because it's generally a much larger amount that generally
gets washed up at the end of the tax year. Though,

(01:48:49):
So if you have been if you have been taxed
more than you expected, the first thing would be contact
your employer and ask them to explain it to you.
They should be able to do that, and then definitely
make sure you do a tax return at the end
of that financial year, okay, and it should get washed up.

Speaker 21 (01:49:11):
Does that include student loan deductions and in child support
and key we Saver because they took that out over
They paid me one lot and then they paid me
another and I had deductions for all those other things.
Again for the student loan and key we Save it
when it was calculable at the total amount payable, but

(01:49:35):
they paid it out and split payments, so I'll text more.

Speaker 18 (01:49:39):
Yeah, yeah, Chris, I'm no tax expert. That's definitely something well.
I don't want to steer you wrong, but I would
contact your employer, ask them to confirm it and explain
the deductions that they've made because a lot of those
deductions are compulsory deductions. They need to be they need
to be made. But if you're unsure, contact your employer.

(01:50:02):
If you're still not happy, you can contact the Labor Inspectorate.
But I would be very surprised if you were being
double or triple text. Sorry right, good luck sorting that
one out.

Speaker 3 (01:50:15):
Yeah, the best press, Thank you mate, Thanks thanksgiving us
a buzz Ron, how are you hello?

Speaker 10 (01:50:22):
Hello?

Speaker 6 (01:50:24):
I was I'd like to ask if it is an
employer allowed to hire somebody into a position which has
no work. I was hired into a position which had
zero work, or so little work. You could go for
weeks and weeks sitting doing nothing, and the one little

(01:50:45):
job would come along.

Speaker 13 (01:50:47):
Now the supervisor would.

Speaker 6 (01:50:49):
Come around and say what are you doing this week?
And I'd say same as last week. Nothing, And you'd go, oh,
that's because oh I've got away and see if I
can think of what you should be doing. And he'd
come back with nothing, And he'd come back a couple
of days later and say, oh, nothing, I can't think
of anything. And then he'd come back or two later
with a drawing of something, and they'd go, oh, this

(01:51:11):
must be a real job, by golly, And I'd make
the thing up and take it and go around with
the results of the thing to the guy that has
wanted as on a piece of paper, and he would
say what job, And I'd say, uh, yeah, right, this
is just another one of those contrave built up little jobs.

(01:51:34):
Is an employer allowed to hire somebody into that sort
of situation?

Speaker 12 (01:51:38):
Wow?

Speaker 18 (01:51:39):
Ron, that it's just a crazy situation. I can honestly say,
I've never heard of something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:51:45):
That's something if you've never heard of it, Garth.

Speaker 18 (01:51:47):
Yes, an employer can hire someone and pay them money
to do nothing. I've never heard of a worker complaining
about that, though, other than maybe getting bored. Sounds to
me that perhaps the employer is not a very good
business person though, if there's no work for you to do.

Speaker 5 (01:52:10):
Yeah, it's now.

Speaker 17 (01:52:13):
It was born out, it was sold out, it was
sold out.

Speaker 18 (01:52:16):
It's well, I'm I'm I'm not surprised if people are
being employed to sit around doing nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:52:24):
Yeah, just take the money, take the money, Ron, and
learn an instrumental or something.

Speaker 2 (01:52:28):
Get a side hauzzle.

Speaker 3 (01:52:29):
Well you're being paid, yeah, take advantage. Yeah, all the
beast with that, Ron, Thank you very much. A couple
of texts here.

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
Home mate, How does cellary position? No no no no,
no no no no, not that one. Intrigued No no, no, no,
no no it was it was. There's so many things
coming through on the subject that you covered earlier in
the show.

Speaker 5 (01:52:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:52:54):
Yeah, you're not ready for that sort of trauma yet.
You know that will come out in the wash.

Speaker 2 (01:52:58):
The inevitable questions question.

Speaker 3 (01:53:03):
This one is a good one, though it is high
If you were on maternity leave, can your employer change
the role you were working in when you were due
back to work from Tracy.

Speaker 18 (01:53:15):
Yeah, this is a really tricky situation that people often
often misunderstand. So while you're on parental leave, there are
protections that protect your role. However, one of the exceptions
to that is if there is a genuine restructure, and

(01:53:35):
so it is possible that you could potentially have your
position get disestablished and you could potentially be made redundant
while you're on parental leave. The processes are pretty particular
that the employer has to follow, and there is high
risk to an employer because most people in that situation

(01:54:00):
will go, well, it's because I'm on parental leave, isn't it.
So technically yes, it is possible, but the employer has
to go through a very careful process.

Speaker 3 (01:54:13):
Yeah, very good, And this one get a Gareth. How
soon can an employer hire new people after having recently
made workers redundant from Paul.

Speaker 18 (01:54:24):
Well, there's no fixed rule to that, of course. I
guess it would be quite risky for an employer to
hire someone for the same role that they've disestablished within
ninety days, because that's the timeframe that those redundant workers
have to raise a personal grievance.

Speaker 2 (01:54:46):
That's there.

Speaker 18 (01:54:46):
You know, situations do change, and I have dealt with
employers who have had to make workers redundant and then
they've got a new contract and they've had to hire
more staff. So it's difficult to know without having the
full picture. But there's there's no fixed role.

Speaker 3 (01:55:06):
Yeah, very good, Gareth, always fantas test to have you on.
Thank you very much. We will catch you back here
in about a month's time.

Speaker 2 (01:55:12):
Sounds good.

Speaker 18 (01:55:13):
Thanks Chris.

Speaker 3 (01:55:13):
That is Gareth Abdenall Employment. We place an information expert.
He is the director of Abdenall Employment Law. If you
want to find out more about him or get in touch,
his website is Abdenorlaw dot en z. It is eight
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