Full Show Podcast: 02 December 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hell are you great, New Zealanders? And welcome to the
Mett and Tyler Afternoons podcast for Monday, the second of December.
Like and subscribe. I guess what do you do? Set
to download? Great chat today went on a lot about
Orcus and when we want to be closer to the
United States of America. And then we had a really
really good chat about Tyler's irrational fear of power sockets

(00:41):
and Lithian betricks.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
And you conceded that the big Lithian betteries Yip. I
probably got a point, but switching off the TV and
the Wi.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Fi nah nah, Well, anyway, enjoyed the pod. I think
it's a It was a good discussion today. I really
enjoyed it. And give the taste of Kiwi your.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
New home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Matt Heath
and Tyler Adams Afternoons on News Talk SEDB.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Good Afternoons. You welcome into the show. On the countdown
is on to Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Get a Maddie, Yeah a, Tyler, get a everyone year.
I've got my Christmas tree. I've put it on Friday,
hafted in the car, left it there all day when
I was at work. It dropped resin everywhere because it's
a real one. But it smells pine fresh. And for
all the annoyance of the needles going everywhere, and all
the annoyance of the smell and the disposal of the tree,

(01:31):
you know, while the smell in my car the resin everywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
I still stand by a real Christmas tree pine fresh. Yeah,
and that's what we're going to chat about after three o'clock.
Real versus fake. Clearly met your massive on the real tree.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, But I think a lot of it's to do
with how you were brought up. Because people that are
brought up with a fake tree, that's what they want,
that's Christmas to them. If you're brought up with a
real tree, it just doesn't feel like it's there yet.
And you can sprail the pino Fresh around the house
you want, it's never gonna smell quite the same as
a Christmas tree, and smell is very Nostalgia invokes nostalgia

(02:03):
more powerfully than nearly anything.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
How do you feel about people going on to let's
call it dot planned and cutting down wolding pines for
their Christmas tree.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Go for it.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, me too. I mean it's big in the South Islands,
they love cutting down those wolding pines.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
When I was a kid, I used to work for
a nursery that would grow the Christmas trees, and so
one of my jobs each year was to cut down
all the trees, the Christmas trees, and there are certain size.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
It's a quite a great job.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Wow, I enjoyed it, but there was a sort of
a the sure apocalyptic nature of how many trees i'd
cut down, cutting down basically the whole juvenile forest every year.
And my mum would look out the window from our
farm and she could see me doing it. She was
always like, wow, it's quite quite brutal. Changes the view
every year.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yeah, there's going to be a good chat after three o'clock.
After two o'clock, are we worried enough about cheap chargers
and although also by extension lithium batteries, this is on
the back of fire and emergency. They're urging caution when
using these cheap charge cables that you can buy from
the likes of Teamill. It's on the back of a
house fire. Very recently where they termined. It was the

(03:09):
cheap Team MoU charger that caused that fire.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah boo to Team Move, I say, yeah, I mean
you don't want to skimp on that kind of thing
in life, do you? But also I don't think you
want to spend too much of your life worrying about
your chargers and the danger around the American It's I
know you do I do? I know you turn everything
off when you leave the house. You want to charge
things overnight? No, just in case it goes on fire. Yeah,

(03:34):
you know. I think you're wasting your time worrying about that.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Well, that's the question after two o'clock. Am I an
absolute weirdo for switching everything off at nights? All the
Lithian batteries when I walk out the door?

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Have you ever had a surprised Have you ever had
a fire?

Speaker 4 (03:46):
No?

Speaker 3 (03:47):
There was one situation where the cord started smoking quite
significantly when it was plugged into the laptop. I was
there with it while it was doing that, And to
be fair, it was a Ali Barber cord, so I
probably bought that on myself, not a team Ou Ali barber.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
But is an Ali barber worse than te they're all
in the same camp clearly.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
I mean it caught fire almost. If I wasn't there,
it would have been bad news.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
You just spin on the right charges right, and then
don't worry about it again. But whatever you do, get
smoke alarms. Yeah, whatever you do, get smoke alarms and
make sure that the batteries are or there or they're
you know, plugged in and they're their operational that. I mean,
that's that's that is hugely important.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Absolutely, that's going to be a good discussion after two
o'clock in about forty minutes. A very interesting interview that
we've got planned.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, we talked to doctor sal Mrcano, a maritime historian
at Campbell University, former merchant mariner and host of the
What is going On with Shipping channel on YouTube. I
watched some grad analysis from him on the Mana Manui
auto pilot disaster, and he's got some some thoughts on that,

(04:52):
and you know, the crossover between it being a commercial
vessel and it being a navy vessel and how the
asipods work and how it was all controlled and yeah,
so we're gonna ask him a few questions about that.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Maybe illuminating for you that's going to be a fascinating interview.
But right now, let's have a chat about ORCUS Pillar two.
So a labor government would not join military Partnership UCUS
in any form. Party leader Chris Hipkins announced over the weekend.
I quote, our country is fiercely independent foreign policy, and
a government I lead will not join pillars one or
two of ORCUS, he said in a speech at the

(05:26):
party conference. He went on to say we are proud
to stand apart and lead the world being nuclear free.
That is not going to change now. ORCUS, of course,
is a defense agreement involving nuclear powered submarines between Australia,
the United Kingdom and the United States. While we're not
involved at this stage, it has been our government has
been considering a wider defense project called ORCUS Pillar two,

(05:49):
which would be non nuclear technology sharing and cooperation agreements.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, it's interesting, he says. Fiercely independent, I mean you
are fiercely Do you want to say that you're fiercely independent?
If the crap goes down? And right now it may
look like a reasonably peaceful time down this end of
the world, but it's not elsewhere, and we don't know
what's going to change. So putting up hand and saying
you're fiercely independent is one thing. But when things get
dicey in a defense in the defense area, do you

(06:17):
want to be fiercely independent?

Speaker 5 (06:18):
Then?

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Where do you want to have strong connections that you
can call on when you need help?

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (06:23):
I mean that's really the question. And will our traditional
defense partners go, well, you went really a part of this,
and you went really a part of that. So we're
just going to look after ourselves, and you can be
fiercely independent down there in New Zealand. You go for it,
You go for it, you look after yourself. I mean,
we did just lose twelve point five percent of our
navy fleet, yes, in peacetime.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, I mean, is it getting to
the point now where we.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
We can't even defend ourselves from a reef?

Speaker 3 (06:50):
That's some old reef took us out, exactly as it
getting to the point now where we're being asked to
take a stance on this. I note that there was
an interview with the Chinese ambassador very recently and he
made it pretty clear that if we join any form
of Orcus, whether that's Pillar two or other, the Chinese
government will not look favorably on that in terms of
our trade. I mean it was a loose threat there, yea.

(07:13):
And the UIs clearly are making these deals with Australia,
one of our key alliances. I mean, it feels to
me that we've got to make a call here which
side are we going to go on?

Speaker 6 (07:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Well, I guess the Labor Party And I know Helen
Clark said we spent six years in government diversifying New
Zealand's trade interests and stortially defending our right to be independent.
And so I mean there could be repercussions for being
more closely aligned with the United States, but we're recently
closely aligned anyway with five Eyes, correct, and China is
happy about that. And of course, of China's going to

(07:43):
say these big things, aren't they, because you know they
want to exert control in this region. Yeah, so you know,
I'm in the end, we want to diversify who we
export to as much as we can, because you know,
the politics geopolitics of the world changed regularly, and you know,
you can't be beholden to one person, and you'd have
to say that China, you know, they have an outsized

(08:07):
effect on our economy at the night.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, and they waved their big stick at Australia when
Australia signed on to the steal, didn't they There was
a lot of threats there about tariffs and some of
those implemented. So keen to hear your thoughts on this
one oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Has the Labor
Party and Chris Hipkins got this right? Or do we
need to form closer relationships with the United States? Love
to hear from you on this one nine two ninety

(08:29):
two is the text number. It is a quarter past one.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
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Speaker 3 (08:45):
Good afternoon, seventeen past one. We're talking about orcust pillar two.
The Labor Party has been pretty staunch in its opposition
to any form of partnership with ORCUS. This is on
the bank of the Labor Party conference on the weekend.
But our question to you is do we need to
be forming closer ties with the US, Australia and the

(09:06):
United Kingdom when it comes to our military eighty teen
eighty is the number of cour plenty of teachs coming
through on nine two ninety two. This one from Dave
get eight. Guys, I reckon we go all in with China.
Why can't we just put up with them? All our
problems will be solved.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
I'm not sure if Yeah, that one a little bit,
that one until one day they just put a line
through it as an accounting error and can stop importing
anything from us at all.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Yeah, you can get a mate, hello you cam, Yes,
you can be up yep. And you think we we
absolutely have to join up with Orcus and the United
States in Australia.

Speaker 7 (09:48):
Oh, we have to because like I said, no new
way back and before the time there that's going a
tree or ceromotives for coming in here, you know, be
in their people getting the specific with their navies, their forces,
and I say, the only last back and left with
all and there's this up whole. So we are we're

(10:10):
a great step in stones for them. You know, it's
beady to feed their people. So but like I said,
we can't cut tires of America and all them otherwise
do you want to become commonist? So that's all you've
got to ask yourself. You know, you want to become
commonist with trying to go for it, so you can.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Would you would you you can? Would you? Would you
want to? You sound like you want to go all
in on Pillar one and Pillar two of Orcus, both
the nuclear power submarines, because because the general talk has
been around Pillar two of orcusts and seeing if we
can get involved with which just encompasses a wide array
of activities, including many commonly referred to as US government
as international armaments cooperation. They may include information and personal

(10:48):
personal exchange, coopertive research, development, testing, and evaluations. But you
want to go in on the on the nuclear powered
submarines as well.

Speaker 7 (10:56):
Oh we also we're going to stick up with the times.
I know we're going to go nuclear one way or another,
either power or ucule A cub. But like I said,
there's it's become a saper, safer power and also were
to go with the times, otherwise you're going to get
left behind and we'll be just taken over just like that.
You know, China could step in tomorrow and take us
overout no worries at all. But we just got to

(11:19):
think about politics day.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah, but there's also the trade consideration as well, New Come.
You can't deny that that Australia and the ambassador made
the point very recently in an interview that the Chinese
government wouldn't look favorably on us doing that. We've got
to take that into consideration, right as our biggest trading partner.

Speaker 7 (11:37):
Oh no, you're exactly right, but just don't shredden us
whether you do this, and we'll do this kind of thing,
you know what I mean. And that's a thrup really
by saying if you do that, we don't look too favorable.
And I says, oh, well, you still feed your though,
you know. And they've got a lot of they've got
a lot of companies down here. Actually a walk into
New Zealand already in farms around if you have a

(11:57):
good look China, I've already got their fingers in the
place here. So we've been doing things blind and we're
not even looking.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
And well, thank you so much for your calling you come,
he says, new He does.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Great.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
That's a good point that Mars points out here. Matt,
can you explain Orcas actually for us? So he is
he's been orcas As in The Killer whale. But we're
talking about ORCHIS, which is a uk US, a trilateral
security partnership between Australia, the United Kingdom and the United
States intended to promote free and open Indo Pacific Secure
and stable is their idea. Initially announced back in twenty

(12:33):
t one of the partnership involves two lines, two pillars.
Pillar one focuses on acquiring nuclear power to tax submarines
for Australia, and Pillar two is what I was talking
about before, which is encompasses cooperative research, personnel, exchange, testing
and evaluation and joint production. So if we were looking
at anything, I think it'll be a big step to

(12:54):
get New Zealand over the line, considering our nuclear stance
from the early eighties in mid eighties to now. But
and look to be fair, we haven't eve been invited,
so I think there's been a little bit of chat.
But it would we put up our hands and say,
you know so. Laborer said, nah, no, we don't even
want anything to deal with that. We don't want pillow

(13:16):
one definitely, and we don't even want pillar two.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
Yeah, have they jumped the gun? Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call if you want
to tax through, you're more than welcome. Nine to nine two.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
This text here from Peter craigie, how would we go
with the nuclear sub We can't even dry a survey vestible?

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Exactly good point. It is twenty two past one.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

Speaker 8 (13:39):
Breakfast Labor leader Chris Hapkins with us, did you read
Peter Dunn's article over the weekend.

Speaker 7 (13:44):
I haven't seen that one.

Speaker 8 (13:45):
He says the government's going pretty well, and compared with
a lot of governments around the world, they're actually performing
quite well.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
You wouldn't want to hear that.

Speaker 9 (13:51):
Oh I don't agree with that.

Speaker 10 (13:53):
I mean, I think that overall our economy is getting
worse the decisions that this government have taken, who contributed
to the economic situation that we're into the moment. I mean,
they've been in government for a year now and they
want to continue to blame the previous government through everything
that's been happening. But actually they need to start accepting
responsibility to the visions that they have taken them.

Speaker 8 (14:09):
Even though you and government spent your full six years
blaming the previous government. So you didn't take your own advice.

Speaker 11 (14:15):
That's true.

Speaker 8 (14:16):
Back tomorrow at six am, the Mic Asking Breakfast with
Maylee's Real Estate News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
It's twenty four past one and we are talking about
the potential of joining ORCUS Pillar two. The Labor Party
have completely ruled it out on the back of their
conference over the weekend where leader Chris Hipkins said, I
quote that the Labor Party will not be part of
any Orcus partnership, not Level one or Pillar two.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
We've got text here on nine two, nine and two.
We're a dead end country at the ars end of
the world. Who would want to invade us? Right? That's
an interesting who knows? Who knows what's going to happen
in the future. That's the thing. The world is a
crazy place that's changing all the time. Maybe we're suddenly
of huge importance for whatever particular reason to an enemy nation.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Yeah, there has been some talk around a potential trade deal,
increased trade deal with America. Do you think that's what
it relies on? Here is that we've got quite a
lucrative trade deal with China at the moment. Unless we
can get an equally good deal with the US, then
we're pretty hamstrung and doing any sort of military strategic partnerships,
we've got to have that trade as well.

Speaker 12 (15:24):
Well.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
That's never going to happen with the US, is it
that they don't. They don't. They're not going to want
us to just flood their market with what we've got.
That's that's not what they want. But then equally at
China at any point could just to say change their
mind and decide that they're not they don't want our
molk solids as well. It could happen India is the
future is India?

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Yep eighty is the number to call. Richard. What's your
view on joining ORCUS?

Speaker 13 (15:49):
My view is that we should definitely be part of ORCUS.
It's a really key strategic relationship. I think New Zealand
is an amazing country, is very important from a defense
fok point of view, and we should definitely back ourselves
to be useful to America, to be good trading partners
with Australia and the defensive the defense alliance, you know,

(16:11):
the Five Eyes is in crucially important and I think
we'd be insane to to do anything which would damage
our relationship with the United States with Australia, with the
UK and Canada. Why wouldn't we want to be part
of that group of allies. It's crucially important to our defense.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Richard, would you would you? Would you be one wanting
to be part of Pillar one as well, which is
the nuclear powered submarine submarine part of of aucas.

Speaker 13 (16:39):
Well originally from Scotland and lived five miles from thad Lane,
which is the nuclear submarine based in Scotland. You know,
I believe in the terrence and I believe in being
part of a strong partnership between like minded nations. And
I think if the US election has taught us anything
it's that the silent majority is actually desperate to be

(17:01):
listened to. And you know, I really think that actually
Trump is going to be a revelation. I don't think
there's something with somebody we should be afraid of. I
think he's going to be somebody that is looking to
redeem himself in his second term. And I think it
would make much more sense for us to be partners
with America than it does to be partners with you know,

(17:23):
the other country that people have mentioned. You know, why
wouldn't we want to be part of five Eyes?

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah? Well, well, the thing is with America. So five
eyes and orcus the two different things. But and we
haven't actually been invited into Aucus yet to be fair.
And but but say America, for example, we don't trade
nearly as much with them as as we do with China.
And so if we really annoy China, then there's and

(17:52):
look that this is just the this is just the
counter argument for it. If we really annoyed China, then
it'll be very easily easy for us to just be
cut off by them. And if that's the case, we
are in a lot of a lot of trouble. Is
does that come into your thinking at Orchard?

Speaker 7 (18:05):
No, I listen.

Speaker 13 (18:05):
I don't think we need to be fearful. Okay, I
don't think we need to be fearful. This is a
very important country, but it's not a threatening country. And
I think that what we produce with you know, we've
got the world's most advanced dairy cooperative in Fonterra Wi.
My wife's family are dairy farmers for Fonterra. I think,

(18:28):
you know, we are a great country. We produce fantastic wine,
fantastic you know products. I mean, I think I don't
and I don't think we need to be worried about.
You know, we're not threatening to America, we're not threatening
to China. We can be net positive contributors. And at
the end of the day, I think we do need

(18:49):
to think about being part of something bigger than ourselves,
even though we're a long way from everywhere else. And
you know, I personally think that the BRIT's decision to
overturn the French, you know, because they were going to
be doing French submarines, weren't they, and they decided to
go with the Orcus, which is the UK, US and Australia.

(19:11):
Surely those guys, we've got more in common with them
in terms of our security and our defense. And I
don't think I hear you. I mean, I'm not a Kiwie,
I'm a Scott, but I hear you guys talking a
lot about you know, you don't want to frighten China
and you don't want to upset it. I don't think
you're going to frighten or upset anybody. I don't think

(19:34):
we're big enough to do that. But I do think
that we produce great dairy products, you know, grete wine,
good timber products, good beef and lamb. You know, these
are all things that are net positive contributors to trade.
And I don't think that Trump is going to have
an issue with US. I don't think he's going to
come after US. I don't see why you guys think

(19:57):
of yourselves as a threat to anyone. That's my point.
I think you can be positive for China and I
think you can be positive for the US. I don't
think that we're a big enough country to upset any
of these superpowers.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Well, thank you so much for your call, Richard, appreciate
your opinion.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Nine two nine two is the text number. We're going
to pick this up after the headlines. The big question there.
If we are invited into a Pillar two and we accept,
then it's highly likely we'll be asked to increase our
spend on on military. Right, is that an investment that
we think is worthwhile? Because Australia has had to grapple

(20:34):
with that under this Orcist Pillar one and it was
very controversial across the ditch. Are we at that point now?
And we talk about the Moneywanui that was twelve point
five percent of our our navy budgets. Do we have
a fleet navy fleet, Do we have the money and
capability to make that investment?

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Well? Yeah, I mean that's the thing. The or the
resolve so threatening, you know, threatening some kind of retaliation
from our biggest trading partner, whilst whilst we need to
InCred our budget. Well, I mean there are definitely things
to think about. But one thing we have to do
is diversify who we brought to. Yeah, that's what we
have to do and we have to work on that

(21:11):
as hard as we possibly can. And I know the
current government's reaching out to India and looking at the
growth in the market there and our potential there. We
have to do that because you can't be so beholden
to one country and the changing politics in that particular
country and how they happen to be feeling about you
at any given time. Yep.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. It is twenty eight to two.

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Speaker 3 (22:59):
Thank you very much. Wendy. We're talking about the Labor
Party ruling out joining an orc'st partnership in any form,
including Pillar two. How do you feel about that? Oh,
one hundred and eighty is the number of cool get
a bob?

Speaker 7 (23:11):
Yeah, Hi guys, Yeah, I'm hot for the orchard steal.
I can just picture China desperately wants a foothold to
take over the Antarctics, and like the Americans did some
years ago with Operation d Freees out of christ Yet,

(23:33):
they would love to simulate that, and I think they
could very easily cring down East Coast about two hundred
miles away and then take a right hand turn in
to Wellington and take over the country in a matter
of hours.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
They definitely they, I mean, they definitely have the capability
to do that. Do you think that have the reason
to what's the street strategic advantage of Antarctica?

Speaker 7 (24:03):
It's massive, and you know the way the Chinese operates,
they don't give a damn about ecological values or anything else.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
But I think the Antarctic Treaty is a very different
thing though, Bob, isn't it is that there's multiple countries
involved in the Antarctic Treaty, you know, the US, US, Australia,
the UK, France. That's an entirely different treaty to what
we're talking about.

Speaker 7 (24:29):
Yeah, I've been. New Zealand's part of that. And if
the Chinese are in New Zealand and they say hey,
we're going in now, that's there.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Yeah. So when you when you're talking about Judith Collins
as the Defense Minister, and she's long said that we
need to re engage with the US in terms of
our partnerships overall, including military, you're you're right behind what
she's saying.

Speaker 7 (24:52):
Absolutely, Yeah, she's on the right track. And we have
no defense here. You could you could have a helicopter
land outside the House of Parliament full of Chinese or whatever,
and the country would be in their hands. Matter of
how we haven't got any defense.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
Yep, no, Bob, thank you very much for your phone call,
really appreciate it. Some great texts coming through on nine
to nine two. This one from Laura. Hey, guys, the
world is changing. I could never feel like I was
in safe hands if labor were in control. Yes, we
need to join up with the US when it comes
to military strategy. Right after the break.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, that's right after the break. We've got an interesting
chat with doctor Salvatore Mircanano, a maritime historian at Campbell
University in North Carolina, former merchant mariner and host of
the What is going On with Shipping channel on YouTube.
He has some great analysis on the Manu and Nui
autopilot disaster. So you've got any questions for him, text

(25:57):
him through on nine two nine two. Very very interesting
take he's got on the whole situation.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
Looking forward to that. It is twenty one to.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
Two Matty Adams.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
If you as your afternoon rolls on Matt even Tyler
Adams Afternoon News Talk, sa'd be.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Hey, text come through on nineteen nine and two. Got
on you for getting sal from What's going On with Shipping?
The man knows what he's talking about. Where we're going
to get him on with the to chat about the
Manu and Noui's sinking. Fantastic YouTube channel that What's going
on with Shipping and a really really interesting analysis on
that on that sinking. Unfortunately, he was all lined up

(26:37):
to talk to us right now. Seven forty PM his
time in North Carolina. But he's just email back and
go oh, I thought there was AM.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Yes, said the old time differences.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yeah, so we'll try and get him on for the
show tomorrow. I'm not gonna be able to get him
on today. Andfortunately so he knows this stuff about shipping,
but he doesn't know his AM and his PM.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
And if we get him on tomorrow, it's going to
be a great chat. So we'll tee that up. Rest assured.
But in the meantime, we are talking about the Labor
Party ruling out joining orcus Pillar two if it ever
comes to pass. Is that a mistake? Should we be
joining up with the US in terms of military strategies
and partnerships? Dean your pro?

Speaker 12 (27:16):
Yeah, goodo guys, And yeah, look I'm pro Pilar two
for the UCUS for most of the reasons. What a
lot of your commentists have been saying about. Just one
more thoughts is that you know, yeah, China is massive
in terms of export value, but when you can bind
the economic value of the UK, USA and Australia, that's

(27:37):
more than the value of China. And I think the
other thing we're going to think about is that Pillar
two is not just about those three countries. Eventually they'll
be Japan, South Korea, Canada will probably join us well,
and then you're talking about that wider environ of defense

(27:58):
and economic value. Just makes it just no brainer. And
I don't think China is going to shove us because
at the end of the day, I think one of
your commentators talked about that we are part of Pilar two,
but we are so small they're just not going to
crack it. So that's my thoughts from another angle.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
No, that's fair enough of them. Yeah, you carry on, Dean, No,
that's right. I was just going to say, I mean,
and it's a fear point. It's who knows what China
may do if we sign up to some sort of
military partnership like aucus Pillar two. But those comments from
the ambassador in that interview last week, I believed we're

(28:41):
somewhat concerning it. And I know that's what China do
is they make vague you wouldn't call them threats, but
they make vague insinuations that if we do this then
they won't be happy about it and what that could mean.
But when you hear that sort of language, and you
know that China waved the big stick of Australia when
they signed up to Orcus Pillar one. Are you not
a little bit worried that China may look to us

(29:02):
and say, well, you're a small country and we're going
to teach you a lesson.

Speaker 6 (29:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (29:09):
I mean, at the end of the day, when you
tick off USA, UK, Australia, Japan and South Korea, the
economic value for China and it's just it's just it's
just crazy to think that they're just going to pick
on New Zealand if we join toler do They've also

(29:30):
got to recognize that where where we need to have
defense arrangements and we're so small we can't do it
by ourselves, and we do need to be paying our work,
which is two percent of the GDP for well we've
got to pick up.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, no, good on you, Dean, I mean, just on
that point, and I do agree with you about that
two percent. Do you think that is going to come
to the fore pretty quickly now that we you know,
Donald Trump is going to be president of the US again.
I know he's been hot on that and he makes
a fair point right that NATO members should be and
we're not part of NATO, but for all the other
NATO members, they should be contributing that two percent that

(30:08):
was part of the original agreement.

Speaker 12 (30:12):
Yeah one d Again, Look, I think Canada is going
to get a hard time from Trump. So then Canada's
at one point six, we're less.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
I think we're I think we might even be at
point seven at the moment.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
We are.

Speaker 12 (30:27):
Much and you know, we've got to change our our actions,
you know, in this in this area to understand. That's
what we've got us buy to.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
Dean, Thank you very much. Yet very interesting points.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Well, I know that recently we've been making a lot
of cutbacks on our defense spending. The air forces had
to make cutback and make some money. But then that
doesn't help. If we then sink a one hundred and
thirty million dollar ship, that doesn't help across the entire
defense force of the Navy's going to be losing his ship.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Slightly red faced on that one. Won't we die? What's
your view? Ontilar two? Hello?

Speaker 5 (31:05):
Hi, Yeah, look, I agree we do need to be
part of August two, and I agree everything that calls.
The one before last was saying about China's ambitions and
the Antarctic and we are a stepping stone. The Antarctic
has got a lot of very rich minerals down there,
which China has been aware of, and they have been

(31:30):
building a lot of research stations, much more than any
other country. And so when you look and consider I
mean it's been widely known that they have been wanting
to develop stations down there quite a bit for at
least ten to fifteen years. And when you think about

(31:54):
the steps like the getting involved in the Pacific Islands, right,
so all this strategy, it is quite clear. So we
need to actually do things that are strategic for our
defense and stick with our original traditional allies, and we

(32:18):
need to just be diplomatic, do what we do, but
not be swayed by any bullying tactics.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Now, Dina, you think that you think that when it
comes to New Zealand's defense that because New Zealand is
obviously out of christ Church at the moment, but we're
the most logical sort of stepping point towards getting in
and out of Antarctica.

Speaker 5 (32:45):
Oh, absolutely absolutely, We're just we are, you know, a
little duel in the crown to that step down there,
and you know there's a strip there is a Chinese
strategy where they do like to buy up and you know,
so there's a whole range of behaviors, but I think

(33:06):
basically New Zealand is so little that we will not
have a chance. Like that guy said, you know, we
could have someone in here and you know, matter of ours.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
Yeah, I mean when it comes to and you're quite
right when it comes to Antarctica. And I'm just reading
a story here from February this year that China opened
its fifth research station and the Government of Australia were
given quite a serve by military strategist saying that they're
asleep at the wheel. But are they on firmer footing
and we're on firmer footing when it comes to Antarctica.

(33:38):
Is that that partnership has multiple different countries, including the
United States, so we're already in that agreement that if
China does overstep the mark, there's far more nations they're
ready to go to pushback.

Speaker 14 (33:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:51):
The only thing is like it would we would be invaded,
we would be taken over. Right, this is a reality.
I'm sorry, And you've only got to look at other
countries that have had invasions. So theoretically we would be
well in the midst of having our control taken over
before anyone actually did anything about it. So the idea

(34:14):
is to actually try to dissuade, you know, sort of
be proactive and aware rather than be asleep at the wheel.
And there's actually there might be five. Now there's actually
a lot more if you read up about it and
have a look at the map, and I think there's
some actual stations China has been planning or starting to

(34:36):
build that I are on hearts of Antarcta which have
been designated for other countries, not China. So all of
that you just have to look at the whole big
scheme and say, look, we need to stick with our
traditional allies, and we need to make sure we're there

(34:57):
for the Pacific islands, you know, and just carry on
and do our best.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
How far would you go with that or die? Because
if we talk about orcast, there's pillar one and pillar two.
So pillar one is nuclear powered submarines that you know
between the UK and the US and Australia. Would you
go that far? Would you give up on our nuclear
free starts to stay buddies worth the US?

Speaker 5 (35:23):
I think we need to have a defense team that
is really switched on that can read and actually plan
strategically of what's needed at the time. And I don't
think we can be making those decisions to set until
you know, we see indicators and that's what we have

(35:44):
our defense team for.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
Yeah, interesting point. Thank you very much for giving us
a buzzdie. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call love to hear from you on this one.
It is nine minutes to two.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Matteeth, Tyler Adams sneaking your calls on Oh eight hundred
eighty mad Eth and Tyler Adams afternoons News TALKSB, News
Talks AIRB it is seven to two.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Russell, you think we should join?

Speaker 15 (36:11):
Yes, I do think we should join. At the moment,
our air Force, Navy and military are a total joke.
I don't think we need to go new clear. We
can still join and not be new clear. It is
strategy that woman Diane talked about all the strategy, but

(36:35):
we need to have a whole rethink of our Navy,
air Force, in military and think have more of a
marine set up where they all work cohesively together instead
of having three separate entities. Now we need a lot
more at drone technology, And I'm talking about the big drones,

(36:58):
not the little tiny drones. I'm talking about the ones
that like the Americans used and they again I stand
and things like that. And also when need to get
back into having a decent year air capability like having
the vertical F thirty five take off jets two or

(37:23):
three different varieties, but these erranders like a giant aircraft
carrier and be suitable for the protection around the region.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
How much of a percentage of our GDP would you
be willing to put towards defense? I believe we're at
point seven percent right now. The NATO countries are being
pushed to be two percent. Where would you be cometable
and what would you be into What would you be
willing to cut so we could put that money into defense.

Speaker 15 (37:57):
Well, we've got a huge storage world out there, so
we can really start getting some of that out and
use some of that money to upgrade our defenses. Places
like Norway and other countries like that use their oil

(38:18):
to make the country is a lot better place. And
it's time we stopped the attitude that it should just
sit in the ground for eternity. I think oil is
always going to be needed, so we have some of
the top grade oil around, so we should take the
opportunity to sell it now while we can and use

(38:39):
that for all sorts of things including hospitals, military and whatever.
There's no reason why we can't do that. Norway they've
got one of the best railway systems around because use
their oil oil revenue to do that.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Yep, fair enough to Russell, Thank you very much. And
that is where we'll leave it. Interesting discussion and we'll
see where this current government ends up with orcas. After
two o'clock, let's have a chat about cheap cords and
lithium batteries. Are we worried enough about those?

Speaker 7 (39:16):
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Speaker 3 (39:16):
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Nine two ninety two is the text number. New Sport
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Speaker 1 (39:31):
Afternoons New for twenty twenty four News Talk zib Good Afternoons.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
You welcome back into the show. Seven pass to good
discussion last hour, but we want to talk this hour
about cheap cables from temu and lithium batteries. This is
on the back of fire and emergency. They are urging
caution when using cheap charger cables after an investigation revealed
that an Auckland house fire was caused by a charger
brought from online retailer teamu SO Risk Reduction and Investigation

(40:01):
Manager Peter Gallagher says they have seen a massive increase
around the world and the number of fires caused by
portable electric devices. He said, I quote many people will
purchase a cable because it's cheap, or they need a
second or third cable, without checking that the cable is
of the right capacity to cope with the power it
has to take right.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
So it's not necessarily the quality of the cable, it's
that it's not the right cable. Yeah, that you need
to carry the load to charge what you're charging.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. It raises the question on one the
cheap cables, but also lithium batteries in general. There's been
a lot made of when a lithium battery does catch fire,
it's incredibly hard to put out. But I mentioned a
little bit earlier the show, I switched everything off of
my household. When I go out, everything, particularly the lithium
battery powered products. I won't charge my laptop overnight. I

(40:51):
won't charge my phone overnight. You think I'm being an
absolute wido.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yeah, no, I think that you're worrying about the wrong thing.
So maybe when you leave the house, I mean, I'll
leave everything charging all the time. I don't care, but
that's the way I am. But I can see maybe
if you're leaving the house, if you're going on holiday
or something. But why do you do that? You what if,
in terms of the risk ratio of life, you think

(41:16):
that there's a good chance that you're talking about your
laptop your phones, Yep, you think there's a good chance
they'll go up?

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Yeah, I just worry that there's So you've.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Got the right cables, Yes, you've invested in the right cables.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
The official Apple cable that's going into the laptop.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
So what's going to make them go up?

Speaker 3 (41:30):
I just have that niggle in the back of my
mind that there's a small possibility that this is going
to set off the battery and the laptop. My laptop
is feeling new now, but the old laptop I had,
I was really worried about that because that was ten
years old and the battery was starting to degrade a
little bit, not in terms of, you know, the outside
of it, but just in terms of how much charge
it could hold. And the same with my phone. I

(41:51):
just don't trust them, And particularly with my lithium batteries
charging for my power drills, No way i'd leave those on.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
I leave mine on all the time. I would never
even consider turning them off. And look, my father, if
he's listening, he'll he'll be angry at this. I was
swalking about this that the other day. Actually, he gave
me a z bike and he said, don't leave that
charging in the garage, you know, when you're out, And
I was like, I leave it on all the time,
and I leave Tracy's charging all the time. I just
thinking the big profile of risks as long as you've

(42:18):
got the right cable, And this might be a different
issue around that that getting a rubbish cable from TIMU
and not getting the right cable that you need for
the charging that you're doing. That might be a different issue.
But then again, I'd say some of the plugs that
people are running behind their TV with four hundred things
plugged into it and dust everywhere might be a bigger
risk than that.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's a good point. But just on
the old e bikes. And when we got a storage
shed for all our year down in christ Church, one
of the things we couldn't store in there was e
bikes because they were worried about the batteries.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Did you.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
Hait a minute, even not plugged in? Even not plugged in?

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yeah, right, because because I was actually when I was
shipping my bike up from Dunedin Towalkland, you couldn't take
it on the plane that did be shifted shipped via
I don't know how I got up here truck and train.
I guess. I just think in the big scheme of things,
that's not not the biggest you to worry about. Like
I'm worried about you. If you're worrying about that, I mean,
what's the biggest, The biggest you've got to have. Absolutely

(43:17):
you're crazy if you don't spend the money and get
smoke alarms. That is that is crazy And you should
have them in every room pretty much, well you know,
in the key areas. I mean, I think we might
have we have an insane an insane amount of smoke alarms,
to the point where I'm if I'm frying up. I
was frying up some sausages on the barbecue outside and

(43:37):
some smoke got inside and four fire alarms. We're not
so we might be over smoke alarming in our house. Yeah, yeah,
but that that that's the kind of thing that that
I think. So if I go to sleep, I know
that if there's any kind of fire that happens in
one of the kids rooms, I can deal with it
straight away. Everyone will be working up right. That seems
like a legitimate level of worry. But worrying about lithian

(43:57):
batteries charging, I don't know, Tyler, I mean what causes
those fires? Actually, I'll be interested to hear from from
people in the fire fighting industry if you call them
into or people that work across that, anyone like that
that works, you know, on whatever part of the retail
side of it or the actual fire fighting side of it.
What is what causes house fires? And you's oun So

(44:20):
I would say this has made the news with this, Timu,
and I say that white a problem. Never buy anything
from that. That's an evil organization. That's quite quite a
different issue. Yeah, but I would say that lithium batteries
going off must be at the lower end of the
risks we've got. I mean, isn't it. I imagine cooking,
you know that's what you should really.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
Worry about, right, Yeah, I think you're right.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Unattended cooking would be a big issue.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
Yeah, or heaters that get a little bit too close
to clothing. But O wet hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number call? Am I freaking out too much about
these lithium batteries? Am I buying in to the skier
tactics of what we see in the headlines?

Speaker 2 (45:02):
And I mean, what's the worsk happen?

Speaker 16 (45:03):
Like?

Speaker 2 (45:03):
So it starts smoking, your fire alarm goes off, you
wake up, you unplug it.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
But when I'm leaving the house, that's a different story, though,
wasn't it? And the big fear that I've got.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
I'll give you. I'll give you that leaving the house.
I'll give that to you leaving the house. Maybe you
there's some logic in that, and good on you. You'll
probably go to heaven for being worrying about that so much. Amazing,
But well you're asleep. I mean, if it's just beside
the bed and it's charging the laptop, and the phone.
Then if it starts smoking, then you'll wake up, there'll
be some fire.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Will go off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it happened once with
one of these cords while I was there charging on
my laptop started smoking, And that's perhaps why I've got
this ingrained trauma about charging overnight. But love to hear
from people out there. Am I overplaying it when it
comes to these cheap cords and lithium batteries? Is it
all just getting hyped up a bit much? On the danger?

Speaker 10 (45:52):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Do you take Tyler's
view that you should live in fear of it or
my view that just go for there's bigger things to
worry about.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
Yep, thirteen past two.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
You're on new home of Afternoon Tour and Taylor Adams
Afternoon Call.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
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Speaker 3 (46:10):
B News Talks B sixteen past two. Am I being
a bit too paranoid about lithium batteries and cheap cables
from Timu? This is on the back of fire an
emergency saying that a cheap charger cable from TIMU was
the likely source of an Auckland house fire.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Yeah. Look, I'm totally against cheap charge of cables from
tu don't get you right. I think that's the problem there.
But if you've got the official cable for your official
lithium vactory that you're charging, I think that's on the
lower end of things to worry about it. In terms
of fires, unintended cooking, I think is something that you
should definitely worry about. And a lot of people texting
through saying on the muppet because you can't smell fire

(46:47):
while you're asleep. Yeah, but i've got smoke alarms. I
think absolute on hundredcent get smoke alarms. But I just
think if you're if you're going through the hassle tailer
of plugging it at your phone into charge when you
get home so it's not on. I mean, what does
your partner think of this?

Speaker 3 (47:01):
It does head that I'm going to go through the
whole house and make sure everything switched off. She hates it.
She's screaming at me in there saying hurry ah, what
are you doing.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
She's losing respect for you. Yeah, you've got to think
about that. The risk of your partner losing respect for
you is an important It's probably a higher risk than
you leaving your iPhone charging.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Am I
getting too paranoid about this?

Speaker 7 (47:24):
Dan?

Speaker 3 (47:25):
How are you?

Speaker 7 (47:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (47:26):
Good?

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Now you've played up on your fire batteries are battery
fires rather?

Speaker 9 (47:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (47:33):
I called you up the other week when you're talking
about your toxic workplace environments. I'm not an electrician, and
I would have thought your household lithium batteries are generally
a pretty low risk, but they are causing a lot
of landfall fires. Yeah. I've cleaned up a freight container
a couple of years ago where they'd had a massive,
big lithium battery fire and only hunger. Three years ago

(47:56):
there was a factory that burned down. It was a
phenomenal fire. So, lithium is an Alkaloi metal. It's the
least reactive of the alkaloi metals. The next one's sodium,
and the next ones but hassium. So I guess in context,
when we've set off a piece of sodium metal the
size of the top of your thumb twenty five meters

(48:19):
away from you, to feel the shockwave going through the ground. Wow,
So when you hit hit these things with water, they
heat up. They spontaneously can bust because the heat ignites
the hydrogen gas that's formed. So if you've only got
a very small quantity of lithium and a small battery,
I think you've got a pretty low risk. But at

(48:40):
my factory, whenever we get lithium batteries, I always put
them in a sealed bucket and I put them in
the far corner of the yard until we take them
to the battery recycler, just for that reason that they're
water reactive.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
So small lithium batteries can they can be doused with water,
but a large lithium ion battery fires, you have to
use foam or some kind of water.

Speaker 11 (49:04):
Flooding quantities of water, right, generally chemical reaction excess water
flooding quantities of water that they say the exception is
water reactive substances. But if you've got flooding quantities of water,
then you'll help that chemical reaction cease more quickly because

(49:25):
it's just got to go through its cycle and then
it's done.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
So if you do come across a so there's that
you've got to say. On the un very very unlikely
situation where let's say a iPhone goes up, a smartphone
goes up, it starts burning, starts smoking. At that point
is the first thing you do is flick the power off.
And then what gets some barbies to barbecue times.

Speaker 11 (49:48):
Throw it as far away as you can throw it.

Speaker 7 (49:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (49:54):
Yeah, the risk in those batteries you get a very
small quantity elythium. But if something like that happened, you'd
throw it out in the middle of the grass in
the backyard. And if it didn't settle down, yeah, put
the hose on it or call up the fier apartment.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Is there some truth because I talk about switching off
my lithium batteries that charge my power tools, Is there
some truth to the fact that you shouldn't leave them
on charge once they are charged up, that you can
switch it off and they'll hold that charge fairly well.
Overcharging could be an extra danger.

Speaker 11 (50:28):
For me personally, And like I said, I'm no an electrician.

Speaker 4 (50:32):
That's not what.

Speaker 11 (50:33):
I worry about. I don't know enough about batteries, so
I normally take things off once they're charged more because
it might affect the battery and the performance of the battery.
But yeah, most of your household lithium batteries, the small
ones and small devices are not to worry your power tools.
You're starting to escalate your risk. And then once you
start to get to bigger industrial batteries, you're escalating your

(50:55):
risk again.

Speaker 7 (50:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (50:58):
So I might clean out a council depot and I
could have fifty kilos of lithium batteries, and then I
would put them in a sealed bucket and I would
keep them outside as far away from the victory as
I can until I can get rid of them.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Oh, thanks so much for your call, Dan. This person says, Tyler,
buy some decent power boards with surge protection and plug
yourppliance into that. Says, you're having to worry about it.
Another person says, so that charge that went up the
TMU one that they were also had the under their pillow,
didn't they. So they had the wrong TEMU cord plugged
in to the so it was it was the wrong

(51:32):
cord for the situation, and it was sitting under a pillow. So,
I mean those are two pretty extreme circumstances. Really well, well,
you know, to to not necessarily extreme but compounding situations,
do not charge your phone under your pillow.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Yeah, I mean they as you use the era that
that is crazy. Yeah, oh one hundred eighty. Matt says
that I am absolutely paranoid when it comes to Lithian batteries.
Should I be love to hear from you? Nine two
niney two is the text number. It is twenty one
past two.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on used talk SIB.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
Good afternoon, twenty four past two.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
I'm asking you for your over being overly fearfull of
Lithian batteries. I think if you've got the right cable
and it's plugged in, not under your pillover beside your
with your phone for example, or your laptop, I think
you're fine. Maybe it goes. It's a little bit different
when you move up to the ones for your power tools,
just leaving them on in the garage like I do
all the time. Maybe that's a higher risk. Maybe the
way I leave my e bike on charging all the time,

(52:37):
we're getting higher risk. But the Lithian battery beside it.
Someone says, Matt, are you putting Tyler down for his OCD? No,
I'm putting him down for being a whisp and worrying
about things.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
Well, just on there. And you mentioned before how does
my partner may feel about it, and it does a
hidden But to me, taking that thirty seconds or maybe
a minute to run around the house and flick everything off,
to me, that is time well spent for any even
if it's a small amount of risk, that to me
is a minute, then I am happy to spend switching
things off.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Well, it's far more dangerous the driving in the car
or the walking from the house to the car. And
me and you've just got in life. There's a lot
of risks out there, but you can't live you can't
live in fear.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Tyler, Well, Paul agrees with me. You think the risks
are real, Paul.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
I do.

Speaker 9 (53:18):
Probably About a month and a half ago, I was
on an overseas website or Canadian broadcasts or some of that,
and they had an article about a e bite that
week going off and the video you actually had, they
had a little warning thing over it. The videos was

(53:38):
of an Asian guy walking into the list and he
had one of those e bites. A piece looks like
a pup with feel old cheese door shut. The things
starts smoking and then the whole screen. This was on
the video that's inside the lift the list and the
whole thing. This goes white and the next shot is
of the first responders dragging his body out of the

(54:01):
list and he's not just sadly burnt his charcoal.

Speaker 13 (54:05):
Mmm.

Speaker 9 (54:06):
Now that thing wasn't plugged into anything, and so it's
the same as any other fire, you know when people
say you got to have the right gears of that
and the other. A lot of fires in houses are
caused by electrical circuit failing. They were in schools brilliantly
a pre period of times. Something starts breaking down, my
skin in there or whatever else. Nothing else has gone wrong.

(54:29):
It's not plugged into anything wrong, and the house five
starts and then as I.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Study, So you're going to just go back a little
bit there, Paul. So you're saying there was someone on
at least or where did you see this video?

Speaker 9 (54:40):
It was all one of the fine news sites I
think for some reason, I keep saying of the Canadian
Broadcasting CBC, I think it was or CVS Roe would
be one of the marklands.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
And was a phone? Was it? Was it a phone?
Did you say no, no, no.

Speaker 9 (54:56):
There's plenty of videos of phones going off or e
cigarettes going off in people's pockets that I've done a
hole in my trousers and my but just wasn't anybody.
And you know when you're seeing carried and you know
it looks like something that's what about five hundred little
long and probably like a hundred of those.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Square Yeah, so that's a sizable.

Speaker 9 (55:22):
Yeah, well it's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the thing
is he wasn't charging it wrong. He might have been
carrying it wrong. It might have been carrying it up
by down before I nobody seem to be carrying it
by the handle. And and it just went off, and
you know that could that could have been something a
reaction that started as soon as he unplugged on the bike,

(55:45):
but it never actually ignited until he was in the
lift and it just smoked. He sort of looked down
at it and it's back and then the camera just
went white.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
It is a terrifying story.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
It's not what you.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
Want at all, No, no, I know.

Speaker 9 (55:59):
But the what name is you know when you're when
you say, oh, you've got to use the right plug
and gear, unless that.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
It happened, Yeah, well, what I would can say concede
to Tyler that he that worrying about a battery that
size for an e bike or even power tools. What
I'm questioning is whether Tyler needs to worry so much
about his laptop plugged in beside his bed and his
phone plugged in beside his bed. As long as they

(56:26):
are on the on the shelf, they're not covered with
any they don't have a blanket or a pillow over them.
And I think, I think, I think there's bigger risks.
You talk about rodents, rodents eating you know, electrical cable,
So I think that's a serious risk. I think people,
if people should regularly look behind their TV cabinet and
see what's happening with the thousands of things plugged in

(56:46):
there across your PlayStation and your and your your various
boxes and you in your in your TV.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Yeah, no, that's a fair point. Just on the laptop,
there must be fail safes. If anyone knows, for my
Apple laptop, it's plugged them downstairs, it's in the lounge
when I go to sleep, well, it's not plugged them
because I unplugged because I'm worried about it. But if
there must be fail safes, multiple fail saves, if you know,
if you're an electrician. Loved hear from you. Oh one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Call uh This text here on nine two nine two.
My brother lost his car to a Temu charger about
three weeks ago.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
Cheaper.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
So there you go. There's the team moves the problem.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
It's always been the problem. It is twenty nine past two.
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Now back to Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
Thank you very much. Wendy. We're talking about a fear
or a rational fear of lithium batteries and cable charges.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
There is there a saying for that. What you've got
the phobia of lithium.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
Batteries, Well maybe you know, just a fear.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Of batteries, a fear of because you go as far
as turning switches off on things like TVs, do you yes, yeah, yeah,
So before you leave the house, even if it's just
for the day or are we talking for to go
on holiday.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Leave the house and the dogs in the house as well.
So that's an added thing that I'm thinking about that
if anything happens, then Pepper's inside the house, she's not outside.
But also There's one thing that I leave on that
I'm happy to leave on as the WiFi. Never flick
the WiFi.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Yeah, but I have to leave YouTube on for my
dog Colin because I'll leave them on like a beautiful
like Japanese mountain walk or you know, you know, there's
these three videos of walks and Fiordland and stuff, so
he feels like he's going for a walk. But I
think you're crazy, and I think you're worrying about things
you don't need to worry about, because I would never
to flick anything off before I left the house. I
never would even think about it, not even And you know,

(59:45):
I'm right now in my garage. I've got two e
bikes charging, and I'm not in the house. There's no
one don't Yeah, so I don't worry about it. But
this really bugs me because my parents were really, really
safety conscious, and they would go around before we left
the house and they'd flick everything off. And he used
to drive me crazy. I'd go, come on, you're worrying
about the wrong thing. And I was right. I was
still one hundred percent right. They just had it just

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happened to be the worst people to have this bad luck.
They had one of those washer dryers that washers closed
and drives them. And then the one time they left
that on when they left the house, it went up.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
And it burnt and they forgot to flick it off.

Speaker 7 (01:00:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Well, yeah, they forgot to flick it off that hor
they decided not to for whatever reason, it went up,
and then they used it as just vacation going forward.
But I still stand by my saying that that wasn't
a realistic risk that that was ever going to happen. Yeah,
they wasted so much of their life turning switches off.
They didn't need to switch it off. And I've had
family members stay at my house and at my house

(01:00:38):
where my rules are that you leave everything on, yep,
and have gone round because they're so worried about it
and it's their problem in their head and they've got
the disorder that you have, and they'll go around and
flick everything off of my house and I come in
and turn on the TV's off, everything, all the settings
are gone, and it drives me freaking mental.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Well, I certainly wouldn't do that. I wouldn't go around
to your house and start flicking everything off. Greg, what's
your view on these batteries, you leave them charged.

Speaker 7 (01:01:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:01:06):
I'm retired now, but for many years I've been a
surveyor and the surveying equipment that I've been using all
has lithium batteries. I have habitually left them on charging
overnight because I need them for the following day, for
years and years and years with no problems whatsoever. The

(01:01:31):
one thing that I probably need to say is that
you need to use a smart charger. The survey year
that I was using had got quite a high tech,
quite a high tech charger, and there is no possibility
of it overcharging a battery. As soon as it gets
the full charge, it just switches off or goes on

(01:01:52):
to a like a trickle feed or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Was that was that something you bought separately from the
equipment or do would that come standard?

Speaker 18 (01:01:59):
It comes with the gear?

Speaker 9 (01:02:01):
Yeah, And I mean the.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Same for traders.

Speaker 18 (01:02:03):
You know, tradies, All trades use lithium powered falls these days,
and if you're going to need them the next day
in the flat before you go to bed, you just
got to leave them on overnight, don't you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Yep, yep, you certainly do. Well, some people do, not me, Greg,
You've got the smart chargers. So you have you got
a smart charger for all the big lithium battery powered devices.

Speaker 18 (01:02:26):
Well, I've just got the charger that came with the device.
So you know, I think if you're using an accessory
charger or perhaps another charger that you've brought off TU,
for god's sake, Yeah, you're putting yourself in line for
something to go wrong.

Speaker 7 (01:02:43):
Perhaps.

Speaker 18 (01:02:43):
I think the guy who's who's a e Byke battery
went up and smoke in the lift. That's a manufacturing fault.
I think, yeah, that's not That's not something to do
with uh, incorrect charging or anything.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for your call. If
I'm on the same page as you, if you buy
the right stuff, if you if you're skimping on a
TU charger or cable, that's wrong, the wrong one, the wrong,
it's the wrong set up. It can't take the load
that's coming in. Then that's the problem. It's not the charging.
As long as you're using the right charger that you
got with the product, and it's a reputable product, then

(01:03:18):
you should be fine. As this person person points out, Tyler,
do you turn off the fridge when you leave the house.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
No, no, keep that running, not that the battery in
the fridge.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Yeah, but you said that you turn off your TV
and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Yeah, turn off the TV, leave the WiFi on, but
you just got to run.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
You're also turning the TV off at the wall.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
Yeah yeah, yeah, correct, but.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
You're not but you're leaving the fridge go. It's yeah,
logic there.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Well, oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is this
irrational fear? I mean for me, I just when it
comes to in anything that has a potential small risk
at catching fire in the house. Yes, I mean, this
is why we're having this discussion, right, But we see
stories like this about cheap charges and lithium batteries and
even the enter islander. I'm reading this that they've changed

(01:04:03):
their their rules when bringing on an EV that it
shouldn't be rapid charge for at least two hours before checking.
Then I mentioned the storage shed that doesn't like me
storing my e bikes in there.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Then it all.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Starts to play into the fact that I've just got
to be a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Careful this person. Here a text on ninet two nine two,
we lost our house in all contents a few years
back and in our new house. I've never even thought
about turning anything off.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
Here you go, all right, okay, Well we're going to
have a chat to Ross very shortly, and he says
he nearly lost his house, so this is going to
be interesting. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If
you want to jump in on this one, it is
twenty one to three.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
Have a chat with the boys on eight hundred eighty
and Taylor Adams Afternoons you for twenty twenty four news
Talk said.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Be I'm still reeling from your fear of electricity. I
feel like it's I met. I once saw this, this
newspaper article when electricity was first being plugged into houses,
and there was a political cartoon and it had the
electricity just pouring into the house because someone had left
it on like a tap.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
I feel like you're operating in that level, which I
think is concerning because your dad's an electrician and you
should be able to you should. But I've got you know,
on the fringes of your fear. Tyler, would you leave
the Christmas tree lights flashing when you're out of the house?

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
Pick No, no way, no.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Doesn't it? But isn't One of the joys of Christmas
is when you come back at night and you and
you walk into the lounge and the lights are flashing,
and you just get that wonder of Christmas coming over you. Yeah,
that's beautiful, but your fear is taking that wonder from you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
But I can just walk through the door and flick
then I get that wonder.

Speaker 4 (01:05:37):
Justice.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
It's not the same as the as the wonder surprising
you when you walk in the door and you go, oh, Christmas,
the Christmas lights flashing. But you're like, and your poor partner,
she's like, she gets that taken off her as well,
and then you have to go ooh, flicking on and
go there you go. The wonder's lost.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
By that point, the continuous wonder of the Christmas lights
is lost. Eight one hundred eighty ten eighty takes here
from Kate Kiday. Guys, I am just like you, Tyler.
Everything goes off when I'm out and at night, when asleep,
I do not leave my phone on charge. It's not
that I'm living in fear. It's just that I see
so many of these stories that I can't take the

(01:06:11):
rest of.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
You, you're living in fear. That's what living in fear
is right.

Speaker 19 (01:06:17):
Yeah, very well, interesting conversation. So brief as I can
my story. We fostered a boy a number of years ago.
He was a bit special needs. He got a job,
he couldn't sit a license, so we got on one
of those cool scooters that you sit on. They look
like a bit of a chopp are those kind of things.
It was great. He was living independently and he said, oh, Dad, well,

(01:06:41):
scooter's not charging. So I chucked in the van board
it around home. I thought I'll test it out, so
I put it on the charger and the garage in
the afternoon, I was about to jump in the spar pool.
My wife was about the stairs or in the kitchen.
He's popping sound, Oh what's that. We'll go out in
the garage and it's on fire. Fortunately we had the
garage door and the dog gapped it. And amazingly, I

(01:07:05):
had a small and it was a commercial fire exte right,
so not the small kitchen one, but the next one
art that you'll see in an office, And so I
grabbed this thing and I unloaded the whole thing. Right,
So this is a substantial fire extinguisher and it went
down and I thought great, and it was about by
this time it was nearly up to my ceiling. I

(01:07:27):
had tents and all sorts of rubbish it, you know,
as you do in a garage. And I got it
down to about flames, sort of about the height of
I don't know, five inches or something, and I thought,
oh great, I've sorted it. And it just took off again,
and I just thought, it's it's the scooter or my house,
and so I went around the back of it and

(01:07:47):
I grabbed it, and it was hot, and I thought,
it's my hands on my house, and I grabbed it
and I pulled this thing with all my strength. I
dragged it out of the garage shirt and the driveway
burned all the skin off my fingers. By that time,
all the alarms are going off. I'm screaming at the
neighbor's wife's called the police, and I just went int
the shock. Sorry a little emotional, actually, yeah. And I

(01:08:13):
ended up in hospital with smoke in elation. But the
point being I had a commercial fire extinguisher and it
didn't and it didn't put it out, and so.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
It was that was that was that the official So
that that was just the official charger for that official
little student.

Speaker 19 (01:08:31):
Yeah, it was, and they ended up it was quite interesting,
you know, it was. It was a cool country to
do where they refunded us completely. You know, we just
gave them all the information and told them what had happened.
And look, I don't know. My foster son, he used
to get pretty creative with stuff, you know. I don't
I don't know, you know, I don't want to blame anyone,

(01:08:52):
but you know the point being, I sort of sit
a bit in the middle. So for me, I don't thought.
We call them chemic hoosers, you know, the kind of
odd brands like not your mainstream stuff. All my pan tools,
they're all de Walt, Makita for even brands. I'll give
you another real quick example. My wife, she tends to

(01:09:13):
run a bit of the Scottish blood. She always looks
for a deal. So she goes up to the little
kiosk and the and the malls to get replacement batteries
and screen savers for a mobile. I always go to
literally iPhone, and she got she had an iPhone, she
got one of those charges from the mall. She upgraded
it and just put the old one in the drawer

(01:09:34):
and it would have been two years later and we're
cleaning out the drawer and the thing had just for
no reason at all. It wasn't plugged in. It had
just heated up first and cracked the iPhone completely open
and was literally had it literally melted the plastic. And
this was in the drawer after she just didn't use
it anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
It was but it was plugged into the phone, but
not plugged into.

Speaker 19 (01:09:58):
Thee No, it was not plugged into anything. It was
just one of those cheap batteries that you get from
one of those kiosks at the at the mall. That's
not so it was an iPhone. But for me, I'll
always get an iPhone battery. I always go with the brand.
So I sit a little bit in between. I wouldn't
leave my Christmas lights on overnight, you would. The other

(01:10:19):
thing is.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
And so sorry, just go back with seeking ross. So
you wouldn't leave your Christmas lights on overnight?

Speaker 19 (01:10:25):
No, not overnight. And we've got smoke detectors. But I'll
tell you one of the biggest house was I think
don't quite need.

Speaker 9 (01:10:31):
But as dishwashers.

Speaker 19 (01:10:32):
Actually they're really praying, especially they're especially the old ones.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Is that right?

Speaker 19 (01:10:36):
But someone might be able to correct me on this. So,
once upon a time, imported electronics goods used to have
standards approved. I don't know if that's still a thing,
but I did work in this industry a long time ago,
and when you imported stuff it had to sort of,
you know, go through the paces of the local standards.
So I don't know if that's still a thing, but

(01:10:57):
you know, you know, if you're buying Christmas lights, buy
them from mine to ten, you know, reputable companies that
are likely to have done the homework. I wouldn't play
anything like that online. I'm you know, the little chaos
and the electronics not infinantely not so.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
And how's your hand? Your hand recovered completely and came back.

Speaker 19 (01:11:18):
It was like a chemical peel, but on my hands. Yeah,
but terrphone mate, it wasn't pleasant.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
I can't imagine. I will thank you so much for
your call. Ross. Yeah, I mean, I love Look, I
am not fearful. I'm not a fearful person. But but
I do actually currently have two e bikes plugged under
my garage at home, and that story from Ross did
make me a little bit. So anyway, I'm going to
hit home now and unplaying that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
Yeah, we'll see you back in half an hour.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
But right now my Christmas lights are flashing away in
my house. Yep, the TV's on to Colin's there. Colin's there.
The TV's on, so my dog Colin's there. So if
there's any problems, he'll ring the fire department.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
He's a good boy. He's a good boy. But just
on the phone thing, I never thought about it as
I've got a refurbished iPhone, so that means that it
was an iPhone that was defective. Then it went to
get repaired by an authorized reseller. Now I'm a bit
worried that the battery in this thing is not up
to scratch. But maybe maybe look, you hear Ross's story,
and that is as bad as it gets. But I

(01:12:17):
get you know, when I'm leaving the frid John and
I didn't know about the dishwasher. I left the dish
washer on, So maybe I just got to cut the
manes from now on.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
Well, shall we put your iPhone in a glass of
water just so you're not scared that it's going to
go up? And should we turn all the lights off
in the studio and all these screens off?

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
Shall we we'll just fling it out in the window.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
Oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call back in a moment. It is eleven
to three.

Speaker 4 (01:12:43):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons you for twenty twenty four.

Speaker 4 (01:12:51):
You've talked said be.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
Eight to three, Darren, what you're feeling about flicking everything
off and liftian batteries.

Speaker 20 (01:13:00):
I get both sides of the conversation. I'm probably more lean.
I don't turn anything off at night. I can sleep
all right without it. But I understand why people. But
I worked with the guy that he used to turn
stuff off similar to yourself, religiously. When he left home
each day he reckons. He saved about fifteen to twenty
bucks a month. That was really his driver. But then
there was also the safety. But what he did was

(01:13:22):
just getting clarification back with your dishwasher or your fridge,
why aren't you turning that off? Because they're not on
steam by power. He used to turn everything off on
steam by powers like common sense approach too, I'd say
most people, And this is probably where my opinion comes
in it's trust. All the trust has got. All these
things are mass produced by the gazillions, and the bloke

(01:13:43):
that's or the person that's putting it together, he's on
some sort of KPI or performance based incentive. They don't
really care whether the thing works or not because they
know it's covered with a warranty wherever it's issued.

Speaker 4 (01:13:54):
Around the world.

Speaker 20 (01:13:54):
So there's just attitude. People's attitude in general, from the
start of the process to the product that he made
to the consumer buying it. There's no trust.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
The incidification of products, I mean, that's a really interesting thing.
How the the quality of everything is decreasing so rapidly.
That's a whole nother thing. It happens across digital platforms,
but it's also happening with electronics. There is a lowering
quality across the board, which is a bit bit scary.
But I would say with that that made of yours,
that saved money. But he has also just going around

(01:14:24):
and that extra time you spend in your life going
and flicking everything off, that's got to cost your life
as well.

Speaker 20 (01:14:31):
I don't think most people that take ninety seconds of
their whole life for remember ninety seconds of your whole
life is really not much time at all considering you
know how much trouble a hassle you're going to have
with the insurance companies because they're they're all on the
say no first instance and everything. I know I'm sounding
a little bit negative, but this is a reality. You
go to your insurance company. It ain't no walk in

(01:14:51):
the park to try and get acclaim done. So I
personally think Tyler's taking the right approach by turning them off,
because what's ninety seconds?

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
Are you good on your Darren?

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
I like you, I thank you. Guys are living in fear.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
We see how hard I am anyway, I just.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Look, I can't even but I don't even believe that
this exists, is a real thing. When Tyler saying it
to me, I thought he was joking that out there,
out there, I remember my parents doing and I thought
that they were the only people in the world that
did it. Yeah, it blows my mind. And that's quite incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
Now, Chris can't hold on. But Chris, get mate, you're
an insurance loss adjuster.

Speaker 21 (01:15:25):
I was as high guys here, I wasn't insurance loss
of adjuster and assessor for twenty odd years and up
until semi retired. At this stage, I was and still
am a insurance risk management survey great now we go
around looking at commercials.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
This is good, Chris, we don't have long But what
is the view of insurance companies when it comes to
lithian batteries and other electronics.

Speaker 21 (01:15:53):
That's as much precautions as you can. I have seen
a number of incidents where litium batteries, especially on things
like scooters and knee bikes, have gone up in flames,
especially when they've been charged overnight. It's always a problem
over and the one more of a problem overnight because

(01:16:15):
you just don't know when it's going to happen. Yes,
smoke senses help, but you just never know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Its an insurance company. If you're a lifting battery went
up overnight and you were following all the rules of
your living in battery, then they would question paying out
on if your house burns down.

Speaker 21 (01:16:36):
No, No, they were certainly making inquiries about it, but
I would if you are doing everything that you should do,
there is no reason why they would not pay out
for the for the actual problem and any resultant damage.
I don't have any crimes there. What I'm saying to

(01:16:59):
you guys, and is that you need to take all
the precautions yourself. The other guy mentioned that he had
a a battery that went up in flames and couldn't
put it out with an ordinary finguisher. Just there is
only one fire extinguisher in the world, but as far
as I'm aware, it's only just been manufactured that will

(01:17:21):
put it out. Letian batteries, Chris.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
Thank you very much. We're out of time, but that
is fascinating. I mean, you made a good point there
that if something goes wrong with your Lithian battery and
you're ensured, they'll still pay out. Yeah, but it's taking
every precaution that you can, which I think most.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Of every precaution you can. I mean, that's that's I mean,
you can take a lot of precautions.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
You said we can.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
You can't live in fear. But we'll talk to fear
and fire and fear and emergency, fire an emergency and
get the official word on this after the break and
keep your calls coming through. At eighteen eighty Is Tyler
a freak.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
Or am I just wise? New Sport and weather weather
coming up. You're listening to Mett and Tyler good afternoon,
Welcome back. We are talking about my fear, irrational or otherwise,
over lithium batteries and switching pretty much everything off in
the household.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
And what started this? That started a fire caused by
a cheap, rubbishy charging cable that was the wrong cable
for a lithium battery bone.

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
Yeah correct, Yeah, and I know you know that's a
little bit different to the lithium batteries. I'm kind of
scared of both one items from TIMU, but mostly around
the lithium batteries. And you're quite right. The reason that
I have got a fear of lithium batteries in general
is because of the headlines, like you know, similar to
this about the electric bike batteries that are starting fires

(01:18:44):
in various homes and apartments.

Speaker 9 (01:18:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Well, what concerns me most about this is that you're
making your lovely partner wait in the car well, you're
running around the house turning off all the electrics. The
fact that you don't even allow your Christmas lights to flash.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
Can see killer.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
I just think that the risk ratio is not high
enough for you to bother with that kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
I'm going to text her and say how do you
feel about my switching everything off every time we go
out of the house.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
Respond because my parents used to do that and used
to drive me crazy so long for everyone to leave
the house, And I think the risk of wasting people's time,
including your own, is far worse than the risk of
the Christmas light's going up.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call, George. What's your view on this?

Speaker 6 (01:19:32):
Well, I think Matt just can't be bothered. But anyway,
I've been sitting there making notes while I've been waiting,
so I've got six points. So that was a question
for Matt if I may go for please right. First
of all, I have a serious interest in less in
batteries over the last ten years and have read and
watched the problems that have occurred with them. Basically, when

(01:19:52):
it comes to charges and electronics, you get what you
pay for. My daughter had her cellphone perch fire in
her hand when she was using it in Japan. Evs
are now a band from being stored under your house
and your garage because of the number of house fires
that have arrived, and from charging EV's in your house.
There's lots of got in Europe. They're banning EV's from

(01:20:17):
a number of ferries because of the fires that have
happened on ferry boats.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
Yeah, I've seen that. That stuff's quite terrifying. Yeah, the
transporting of evs on by ship and then and one
goes up, that is terrifying. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:20:32):
I've got lots of videos I've collected of EV's on
the road on fire and the fibrigage is standing by.
They can't put it out. I've got a Tesler car
underwater in a river continuing to burn because the water
will not put it out. The car transporters of the Ferraris,
I don't know if you remember this one. There are
Ferraris and really expensive cars on this thing. One of

(01:20:52):
them went up and the whole boat ended up sinking,
taking them all down with them. Lots of scooters and
EV bikes I'm spontaneously on the street, not plugged and
catching fire. They're really good videos and even solar panel
installations on fires on roofs going up in smoke. Now,
FIBERID document I read said they can't put out with
the battery five and cars other than cover them with

(01:21:15):
a fire lanket. That's the best they can do. And
just stand around and wait for it to finish. As
a telecommunication electronic service technician, I'm actually on Tyler's side.
Be careful, don't overcharge less in batteries and unplug them
when they're charged. Now, Matt, I have a question for you,
which is number six. Right, you wear a seat belt

(01:21:37):
in your car on the way home? And why when
it was the last time you had an accident and
needed it. What are the chances of you actually having
an accident on the way home? So if you wear it,
are you as paranoid? Is Tiler with his power over
having an accident on the way home?

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
Well, look, I'll tell you what. I will always wear
a seatbelt, but that's one thing I'll definitely do.

Speaker 4 (01:21:59):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
Why why Because I guess I've because it takes me
no time at all to plug it in.

Speaker 6 (01:22:05):
I just no, no, no, no, that's not the reason.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Yeah, oh well yet, because let me finish, George. So
I plug it in, and I just I believe that
if I have an accident, which seems like a high
possibility because there's lots of accidents, I've had accidents in
the past, and I believe that. I believe, I believe
seat belts are a.

Speaker 6 (01:22:22):
Very very When was the last time you had an
excellent uh.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
That that that the seat belt came in to play well?
I mean in a previous in a previous life. I
was in a previous life. In a previous life, I
was shooting TV shows where we purposely have car accidents
quite a lot. So so so I've been in a
lot of prayings where seat belts have helped me. Some
of them have been for TV. So there've been stunts,

(01:22:47):
which is a slightly different thing. But I think the
most recent one when not when I've been driving. I
don't think there's ever been one where I've needed a
seat belt when I've been driving, but I think probably
about five years ago, I was in a rear ender
in a car where the seat belt I felt like
it wouldn't have saved my life, but it seemed like
a good reason to have a good send handy to

(01:23:09):
have it on.

Speaker 6 (01:23:10):
So there is one occasion in five years. How many
trips have you done since that?

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Wow, Look, I'm going to say thousands there, George, I'm
want to say thousands.

Speaker 6 (01:23:22):
So why are you handstling Coral Tyler who doesn't actually
know whether he's going to have an exit at the
home or not. But it's a preventative cure, just like
you see belt Well, I.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
Tell you what, George, I, throughout this conversation, I have
become more fearful of lithium batteries of the size that
would run an ee bike, and definitely of ones that
would run an EV like a you know, a Tesla
or such. And look, I'm willing to reconsider on my
leaving those ones on, absolutely, But as for leaving the

(01:23:54):
Christmas lights flashing when I'm out of the house, So
when I come back, which was just plugged into the wall,
and it's got everything's that, they're their quality Christmas lights
and they're plugged into you know, not so long gone.
I had the electrics done in my entire house, so
it's in a great state. I just think the risk
of that is so tiny that I don't want to
spend any of my life worrying about that. But I
will agree, I will agree that the risk factor of

(01:24:18):
charging lithium batteries of the size that you have on
an e bike, it's probably worth turning them off when
I'm out.

Speaker 6 (01:24:24):
Your rights will not catch fire, your lights will not
catch fire.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
Yeah, your lights.

Speaker 6 (01:24:30):
Will not catch fire. Touch the charger, plug into the
mains to see a high hot that gets and if
it's strong enough to run your lights, yeah, but it's
getting hot. You need a more powerful one, just the
thing that will catch fire, exactly, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
Enough that well, that's why I didn't really have an
answer for you when you asked me about the TV,
as I will accept that the TV is pretty much
by Joe.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
Thanks and thanks for the thought you put into it.
By the way, George, that was fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
That was good, Thank you very much. But that's why
we can see the TV is a bit weird that
I flicked the telly off. But I'll never concede the
lithium battery for my power tools and certainly not.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
But you keep, you keep, you keep, You're moving the
goalplast tier. You were talking about being concerned about your
cell phone beside your bed and not charging that at night,
and you said before you says you says, he says,
So you don't charge your cell phone, have a night
beside your bed, and you'll charge it when you get
home and before you go to sleep, because you're worried

(01:25:25):
about leaving it charging while you're asleep. Yes, son, I
think I think that's crazy. I think if your cell
phone has got the right charger that you bought with it,
and it's a reputable cell phone and it's not nothing
that you've brought us from team, and it's plugged in
beside your bed, and you've got smoke alarms in your house,
I think that that's an unnecessary fear. I think you

(01:25:46):
can charge your phone and your Apple Watch or whatever
you want beside your bed, even your laptop or that
without any risk at all.

Speaker 3 (01:25:56):
Okay, well, we've pulled the request of Fire and Fire
an emergency their safety division. Hopefully we're going to get
them on the phone to put this to bed once
and for all. It is twenty six past three.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh on Youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
We're talking about Tyler's irrational fear of electrics.

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
Well, George certainly kicked off the text machine. And George
gave you a bit of stick for whether you wear
your seat belt or not and compared it to me
switching all of my batteries off at the home.

Speaker 19 (01:26:35):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
Yeah, well I should have pushed back a little bit
of George. It takes me less than less than the
time to even think about it to plug my seat
belt in. But you, well, your lovely partner's waiting in
the car for you guys go out for a nice dinner. Well,
Tyler scurries around like a grunch, turning off all the
lights in his house and all the power, turning off
the TV, but strangely leaving the fridge on because I

(01:26:57):
don't know why that wouldn't go up here?

Speaker 3 (01:27:01):
Hello, how do you feel that?

Speaker 21 (01:27:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:27:04):
I wanted to call in just for people that have
got to Lettian batteries for their vapes and also e cigarettes.
A friend of my brother's charged up his his littium
battery and put his spare battery in his pocket and

(01:27:26):
trouser pocket, and unfortunately he had some loose change in
there as well, and it's spontaneously combusted and he ended
up having extensive plastic surgery.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
Nasty and and was so that was that, like one
of those power bank things.

Speaker 22 (01:27:49):
It was just just a interchangeable battery for evapes.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
Oh wow? Ended? And did it short circuit on the
on the coins on the coins?

Speaker 22 (01:27:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:28:00):
Wow?

Speaker 9 (01:28:00):
Is he?

Speaker 19 (01:28:00):
How is he?

Speaker 10 (01:28:01):
Now?

Speaker 14 (01:28:01):
Is he?

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
Okay?

Speaker 22 (01:28:02):
He's all right? Now, but it took quite a few
months for it to sort it out. It's very exextensive
skinned skin grafts.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
Yeah, yeah, and just wanted to warn people, Well, thank
you for that mirror.

Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
Yeah, that's a good point. You've got to be careful
with those vape battery Well.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
I mean, I mean that that you know we're talking about,
you know, when I was talking about your your phone
and stuff, like you've got an iPhone Ripidal brand plugged
in with the repudile plug. Yeah, it's the world of vapes.
That is the wild West of quality control.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
Absolutely right. We're going to carry this on after the
headlines coming up. I wait one hundred and eighty ten
eighty some good takes coming through on nine two nine
two This one I I met and Tyler. An option
is to use Wi Fi enabled power boards and lights.
Then you can set them to turn off. We're not
in use mainly for saving money and power list things
to switch off from.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
Clear, thank you clear. Yeah. I run that. I run
heaps of different power sockets through my well, you know,
like I have a double point that I off Wi
Fi and that's that's because I'll turn the Christmas tree
off at the moment. This is the one that I
just sorted out on Friday. Was so that Christmas trees,

(01:29:18):
the flashing lights doesn't well, there's two Christmas trees anyway.
One I like to have it things really dark so
I can sleep. Yeah, so I'll have it so it
turns off at certain times. But I'll do that with
a lot of stuff in my house. But it's never
about safety. It's just about the lights being on or
off when I need them to be.

Speaker 3 (01:29:33):
Well, clearly that's what I need for the talley and
the fridge. I'm still switching off those Lithian betteries.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
Not a fridge, mate, don't turn a much bigger risk
for you. I'm concerned that you're gonna get so scared
about leaving power on that you're gonna turn the fridge
off and you're going to poison yourself. You're gonna have
some You're gonna have some prawns and the deep freeze.
You're gonna be worried about power. You're gonna turn it off,
You're gonna turn it on. You're gonna eat that, and
you're gonna get some kind of disgusting food poisoning.

Speaker 3 (01:29:57):
I'll be lying if I said I didn't think about
switching the fridge off. It is twenty eight to four.

Speaker 9 (01:30:07):
HU.

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Speaker 3 (01:31:27):
Thank you very much, Wendy, and we're talking about the
fair irrational otherwise of lithium batteries and cheap cables. After
a cheap cable from TIMU was found to be the
likely cause of an Auckland house fire, Matt thinks that
I am an absolute weirdo for switching everything off in
the home.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
Yeah. I think there's two issues here. We can debate
the lithium batteries, and we can definitely debate the larger
ones around e bikes and EV's and even charging your
drills and such. But I just think going around and
flicking everything off. You're turning your TV off at the
wall and all that kind of stuff is craziness. Hey,
Matt is once again this Texas says on nine ten nineteen,

(01:32:06):
emphasizing his yuppie upper class valley by continually rubbishing TEAMU
during the segment, Man needs to take on board that
some of his listeners are forced to shop via TIMU
as they don't have the funds to shop at the stores.
And for the brands that Matt goes for, for many listeners,
prices king and the cheapest spire gets the sale. To that,
I'd say TIMU is rubbish by something better. My response
to that, well, what's the point of so you're saying that?

(01:32:28):
So I'm somehow, I don't know how you ever managed
to put me into the upper class gurgary. That's well,
that's well done. One day I'm trying to slap me
in there. That doesn't quite work. But clearly it hasn't
paid off buying this team. Like, there's not much point
of buying cable if it's going to if it's going
to start a fire.

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
Saving dollars on your cable versus your whole house. I
mean there, Yeah, economics doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
Yeah, let's talk about cheapness and things that actually do
the job. There's no point in buying something that's so
cheap it doesn't do the job that starts a fire.

Speaker 3 (01:33:01):
Cafe, how are you good?

Speaker 19 (01:33:04):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
Have you got a bit of a serious story about
batteries for us have you.

Speaker 4 (01:33:08):
Oh, we have.

Speaker 9 (01:33:09):
So.

Speaker 23 (01:33:11):
Sixteenth of October, so not long ago, we had the
battery of my husband's E bike exploded in our garage
and everything in the garage was lost. Fortunately I was
awake and heard the explosion. It was nine o'clock at
night and we got out of the house and nothing.

(01:33:33):
Fortunately the fire didn't go through to the house, but
we'd kept it contained in the garage. The fire brigade
were amazing, there were here in about ten to fifteen minutes.
The inspectors that came out the next day were amazing.
Insurance has been amazing, so we have a lot to
be thankful for. But the bettery was not on charge,

(01:33:55):
purely on the bike, a very expensive bike, and definitely
wasn't anything to do with Timu.

Speaker 24 (01:34:02):
It was just the Bettery.

Speaker 23 (01:34:04):
But it's been a wake up call for us. We're
looking at them about putting our two two e bikes.
When we get them, we'll not be coming into the
garage and our tools or the battery tools will be
relocated into the sheds outside as well. It's been a
bit of a bit of a journey for us.

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
But Kathy, that sounds that sounds horrific, but do you
have you heard whether it's it was a manufacturing fault.
Have you gone to the bottom of of why that
battery just went up without even be plugged in.

Speaker 23 (01:34:40):
No, But interestingly enough that the bike company in America
there was a recall on that particular model a couple
of months before we brought the bike in New Zealand.
We don't know that it's connected in any way at all.
We have no idea about that. But insurance are following

(01:35:02):
that that up with the company, and again that's been
very keen to find out what's what's been going on.
But certainly the fire investigator and work Safe who came
out the next day, we're brilliant. They pieced everything together.
We're able to track exactly what happened when it blew
and where the fire went and sort of tried to

(01:35:24):
piece what was left of the bike back together. And
it's been a fascinating process.

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
And so and so when you say it went bang,
you so you heard an explosion, What did that explosion
sound like?

Speaker 23 (01:35:40):
It sounded like my husband reaving a car in the garage.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
Okay, okay, And and and then and then and then
when you say it exploded, did it so that this
didn't just went bang and then it started burning. But
did it sort of fire projectiles all over the garage
or to just go bang internally and start burning.

Speaker 23 (01:35:58):
Well, actually it did fire. So when it when it bang,
I was actually on the phone to a phone call,
and I took myself with my sister said did you
hear that bang?

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
And she said he what was it?

Speaker 23 (01:36:10):
And I said, oh, I don't know. I think it
was A husband down in the garage left it for
a few minutes and then wandered down the passage and
I could hear the crackle and a.

Speaker 17 (01:36:18):
Way that was a fire.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
Everyone's talking about the crackle. There's this particular type of
crackle that these batteries have.

Speaker 23 (01:36:24):
Well, it was very very clear. So we got out
at that stage. The need on the shelving next to
the two bikes or my bike which is an EE
bike or was an E bike, the battery on that
did not explode, didn't it didn't do anything. Next to that,
my husband had a container of helicopter lithium batteries and

(01:36:48):
the lithium batteries LIFEO batteries.

Speaker 2 (01:36:51):
My model helicopter.

Speaker 4 (01:36:53):
Yeah, yep, they.

Speaker 24 (01:36:55):
Didn't go up there. There were twenty or thirty of
those batteries contains.

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
That could have been quite something.

Speaker 24 (01:37:01):
I didn't go up.

Speaker 23 (01:37:02):
Yeah, so the potential, you know, for a huge fire
was there. What what was fascinating. I found that one
of my husbands had some of his father's bowling balls,
and I found one by the daughter the hall, and
we sort of we had a discussion about how that
might have got there. A couple of days after we

(01:37:24):
were looking at the ceiling of the garage and you
could see how this bowling ball had shot.

Speaker 24 (01:37:29):
Up and be tracked a long feeling.

Speaker 23 (01:37:32):
And down by the door. So the little things that
we were really sound fascinating.

Speaker 12 (01:37:37):
Yeah, we were very lucky.

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for sharing your sorry.
Well you you'd been way lucky if it hadn't happened,
but you were, but it could have been a lot worse.
Thank you for that cafee. That's interesting, Like I am
a little bit more worried about my my all the
large A lithium batteries I've currently got charging in my
house right now and putting ones for two ebays. Yeah,
I will concede that. But someone points out this interesting

(01:38:04):
thing for you. On nine two nine two Tyler. Hey, guys,
with that one Tyler I wanted to I've added the
wom Tyler wanting to turn off the appliances. He should
get his house rewired so he can just flick one
switch that cuts power to all sockets. But just get
a separate circuit left for the major appliances like fridge.
I would be happy with that. And the alarm. Yeah,
because you have to leave your alarm on when you're
out of the house. Done, correct, So that's a bit

(01:38:24):
of power this guy. Yeah, that's right, because I just
don't like what you're doing to your partner, making her
weight while you scurry around like some kind of little
troll turning everything off.

Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
Well, I've asked her to respond and nothing here. She's
read it as well and she won't respond, So that
probably says at all she's.

Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
Not even talking to you. Shall we come back with Dan,
who's an e BI comporter, so they have some expert
knowledge on these batteries.

Speaker 3 (01:38:45):
It'll be great to chat to. It is seventeen to four.

Speaker 7 (01:38:49):
Done.

Speaker 1 (01:38:50):
New take on talk Bag Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons.
Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
We're talking about left them batteries after one went up
on a phone with a Dodgy TMU cable. But there's
been a lot of talk about e batteries. So we've
got Dan here. You're an e bike and porter. What
are your thoughts on the batteries on these bikes?

Speaker 7 (01:39:13):
Cure guys?

Speaker 24 (01:39:14):
Hey, yeah, so I'm the input of an electric bike
called Valkrim. So obviously e bikes are everywhere in this
kind of bench style of e bikes is getting quite popular.
My thoughts are, it's just the time bomb waiting to happen.
We allow anything and everything into New Zealand and most
of the standards like in the EU, for example, we

(01:39:35):
don't even regulate in New Zealand.

Speaker 12 (01:39:36):
A lot of the bikes that are.

Speaker 24 (01:39:38):
Here on our streets that people are buying off the
like the Timu or marketplace, a lot of them you
wouldn't be able to sell in Europe because they don't
meet the regulation. It's not around the power of the bike,
it's actually about the safety standards around the charger and
also the batteries and themselves. Like a good example, to
be honest, is a lot of the batteries fires you

(01:39:58):
see not so much e bikes, the chargers and a
lot of charges for like drone fishing batteries and like
there was sixteen and a half thousand by confiscated in
Holland and November be purely because there was no regulation
of where the battery was made, or where the charger
was made, or what the standard around the charger was

(01:40:19):
of shut us, et cetera. And all of those bikes
are open fornather in New Zealand were just we just
seem to kind of do the old you know, we'll
see what happens and then and then we'll talk about
it later. But I think the spy as sadly it
is going to become a lot more common.

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
Those Valkyrie e bikes are cool looking, Yeah, beautiful.

Speaker 24 (01:40:38):
Oh they're amazing. Yeah they're not for your boomers, but
they're definitely they're definitely cool. They were motor transports. They're
not going to get a mountmap film them.

Speaker 12 (01:40:45):
But they're they're really beautifully made high in kind of fession.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
Yeah, good made of minds cruising around town on one
of these right now. I was just looking at it
the other day. But they yeah, they look they look
kind of more like motorbikes.

Speaker 24 (01:40:56):
You would be good on that map instead of your
orange little shitty boo. Yeah, yeah, I actually think you're
probably more suited to the orange one now.

Speaker 12 (01:41:07):
That from.

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
Well actually the guy running the Valkyrie was like he
was down at yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:41:15):
Yeah, well no listen, if you ever need an outgrow
to try yet.

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
Cash for comments.

Speaker 9 (01:41:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
So, so what you're saying is that, and this is
kind of what I was saying at the start. It's
like that the problem isn't the Lestian battery. In the
case that we're talking about the start of this, that
was the person buying the wrong tam cable, so it
was there was a rubbish cable running, and also the
fact that they were they was sleeping with the phone
under their pillow.

Speaker 24 (01:41:40):
But yeah, but the time that the charge is not
actually the lift himself. A lot of the time that's
the charge is not regulated, or the MS system, which
is like the little battery management system in the battery
that's not regulated. So if that goes up or the
charger goes up, and you know, you can't put liftin
out basically it just kind of so if it goes up,

(01:42:00):
you're kind of stuck.

Speaker 12 (01:42:01):
Like the lady before.

Speaker 3 (01:42:02):
Yeah, are they starting to look at that in Europe,
Dan in terms of these rogue charges that are making
its way into the market.

Speaker 24 (01:42:08):
To give you an idea, like in the EU, you
are like if you to drive your your buck in
the back of your car, drive around whatever, and you're
legal for you to have your actual battery on the bike,
it has to be taken off, so you can't get
an auto barn of your battery on your car just
in case someone rear ends you. So and that's been
the law for about eight nine years. Like New Zealand's

(01:42:30):
pretty shocking, Like some of the like I won't give names,
that some of the bikes that you used to pop
up everywhere, that the distributor for those bikes was arrested
in France and sentenced in prison for a month. And
it wasn't because I mean he was he's he basically
is importing low quality.

Speaker 7 (01:42:49):
Like Chinese made.

Speaker 24 (01:42:49):
Lots of things the Chinese made, this doesn't matter, but
low quality Chinese made e bikes, batteries and charges without
any standards. Now those exact bikes everywhere in New Zealand,
and we don't seem to enforce any of those standards
and Sadly, for those of us that have products that
do meet EU standards, we're all going to be put
in the same kind of unbrell that all ever the
dangerous Well, that's not actually the case. If you if

(01:43:12):
you've if like anything, if it's quality and it's manufactured
and high quality, it's fine. But if it's just old mate,
you know, making a whole lot of cheap one selling
them on semur or marketplace and then whatever, and not
educating people how to use them properly, then yeah, lot
to be.

Speaker 3 (01:43:29):
Is Yeah, very interesting, Dan, thanks for giving us a buzz.
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Speaker 4 (01:43:51):
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Speaker 3 (01:43:52):
Seven and four. We're going to finish this discussion about
the dangers of lithium battery with an actual fireman. Get
a John.

Speaker 16 (01:43:59):
Hello, guys, I had hope that a barman who's on
duty would have called you back, but I've been a
farman to well over forty years. Letting nine batteries are
an increasing problem. At the same time, we have to
be aware there's hundreds of thousands of them, so it's
a very small percentage of them that cause problems.

Speaker 24 (01:44:18):
But basically what I want the.

Speaker 16 (01:44:20):
Listeners to be aware of they've got a battery that's
hooked up and charging or not charging. They have a
problem with their battery and they see it off gassing
what looks like steam or smoke coming from it, they
need to evacuate straight away. That's highly toxic and it
will all probability explode.

Speaker 24 (01:44:38):
It's very, very dangerous.

Speaker 16 (01:44:40):
Don't rush towards one if you see it off gassing,
because it's incredibly poisonous and it's likely ninety nine percent
likely to my knowledge to explode.

Speaker 4 (01:44:49):
From what I've read.

Speaker 16 (01:44:50):
Now, I'm not an expert on them, but I do
know that we talk about in the fibrigade.

Speaker 20 (01:44:54):
When I talk about things.

Speaker 16 (01:44:56):
Like batteries, there's all sorts of lift your mind, batteries
that have been dropped, for instance, they may not show damage,
but if I've had a heavy fall that that could
run the potential you should put it somewhere safe on
a hard surf that's not going to catch anything alight.
It's the same as if you've when it's getting old
and showing signs of damage, you should replace it. You

(01:45:18):
shouldn't be charging them in your house. You should try
to find some isolated place so that they're away. Now,
if you are, and you're not, like most people, aren't,
going to remove them from your house. Make sure you've
got adequate smoke alarms. Like nobody would die in a
house buy in New Zealand if the house was adequately
smoke alarmed, so at least you'll get warning. But and
if you do have a fire, make sure you shut

(01:45:39):
the door and get out. But it's really important to
don't ignore that off gassing because that's incredibly dangerous. And
I haven't heard anybody mention that. Quite often they well
off gas and it looks like steam or smoke, but
that's incredibly dangerous.

Speaker 20 (01:45:55):
If you see that sign you.

Speaker 2 (01:45:56):
Want John, thank you so much for your call. John,
really appreciate it. Yeah, I mean, have we got time
for another question with John? Hey, sir John, but are
you talking You're not talking about like a cell phone
style battery. You're talking about sort of an e bite
sized battery.

Speaker 16 (01:46:11):
I'm talking about the normally lithium sides. I don't know
enough about whether the cell phone. I haven't heard of
the cell phone. It's like my cell phones. You don't
want to overcharge them like anything, don't want to be
plugging them under your Hello. There are those phones can
catch fire. But generally a good quality phone, well looked after,
charge properly. And it's not the first time when I

(01:46:31):
leave my own phone charging overnight, but unintentionally I do
try to charge it and not have it. We don't
want to get paranoid with technology. We do need sensible
with it some time, John, But.

Speaker 2 (01:46:44):
I think the main point there is get yourself smoke alarms. Yeah,
don't skimp on the smoke alarms and get as many
as you need.

Speaker 3 (01:46:51):
Now. I did legitimately ask my partner whether it does
a hit and when I switch everything off in the house,
and she's come back, yes, very annoying, especially the internet.
I said, I don't switch off the internet, so I've
got some exquentions. We don't want to get home.

Speaker 2 (01:47:05):
Why would she say that? If you didn't you do?
I really do.

Speaker 3 (01:47:08):
Thank you very much, great chat.

Speaker 2 (01:47:10):
Thank you all right, give.

Speaker 3 (01:47:12):
Them a toast of key.

Speaker 2 (01:47:12):
We will see you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:47:16):
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