Full Show Podcast: 02 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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(00:37):
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Speaker 1 (00:53):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News
Talk said, be.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
God after Noon, Welcome in Too Friday Show. I hope
you're doing well wherever you're listening in New Zealand. Get
a Maddie get a, Tyler, great, you're going to New Zealand's
oh country.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Hey you how the however it is for you, whether
it's witt and soggy or lightning lighten, how would you
say that lightning?

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, thundery thundery thundery week? Yeah, yeah to say lightning knee.
You gave it a good crank though out there. Yeah,
a bit of Sun's just come back out in Auckland
for what probably the next fifteen minutes before at Gray's
over again. But enjoy it way you can and hopefully
you're staying safe and dry wherever you are. A big
show for you today after three o'clock as we always
do on Friday, New Zealander of the Week.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah that's right, Tyler, And you can have your say
on nine two nine two, so if you can affect
their panel what they think of who's going to be
announced as New Zealand of the Week. I've got to
say a lot of votes coming through for Torri Fano
at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Very fair as a nomination.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Fellows News of the Week would have to be Torrifano,
the Mayor of Wellington, for being the biggest fibit of
all time.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
Do you go.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Okay, keep those nominations coming in, but he is clearly
a front runner. And also we want to have a
chat to you about group travel. So it's on the
back of an article in the New Zealand Herald. The
writer's name is En Peckham. He has been a solo
traveler for most of his life, but he decided to
give group traveler try. Absolutely loved it.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah, that's right, and you can do it at any age,
can't you. Becas there's the Kontickie tour approach to group travel.
You'll get on a bus with a bunch of people
and get absolutely steamed up and down.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Europe yep or times.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Or you can go on a group trip with a
bunch of middle aged people and make some new friends
and see some cathedrals in Europe or wherever you want
to go.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, and gets steamed as well, if that's your thing.
But that is after three o'clock point. Yeah, after two o'clock.
Nat Napier decided to retain their three a m. Bar
closing times. The council we're looking to try and close
bars an hour earlier, but it's comments from a particular counselor.
We want to.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Yeah, that's right, because I feel like his attitude was
one that was closer to the way most people feel
in New Zealand. I think there's a lot of skeiedy
cats going around that. You know, you can always describe
problems and use those to shut down fun and freedom,
but that doesn't always make you the good guy. Just
watch the movie Footlots, for example, if you want a

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great movie. Kevin Bacon version and the remake wasn't actually
too bad either. But as he said, there is only
one place in Napier open until three a m. And
it offers a point of difference. You can actually go
and dance. Not my thing, but plenty of people it
is for them. And perhaps if we go far back
enough around this table talking to other council members, he
was for some dancing was a big thing. I'm not

(03:52):
prepared to take that away from our community. You're growing
up and doing their thing and learning about the world.
How are they going to learn about the world sitting
at home playing PlayStation and flicking through their phones. So
I was just thinking about the moral aspect of that,
because we always take the moral high ground, is always
taken by the people that want to restrict hospitality. They
wanted strict options for young people going out, but there's

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an argument that they aren't the moral good guys. And
actually we owe it to the young people of our
country to give them options to celebrate and go out
and be young. And especially if you're in a small town,
if you don't give those options, they will leave that town. Yeah,
you're killing the small down, you're trying to say, And
you're damaging a hospital which hires a bunch of people
and builds a lot of stuff in communities. So is

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it time to just start going No, you aren't the
good guys. You people that are trying to shut things
down all the time and just describe the potential problems,
because anyone can come come up with a list of problems.
You guys aren't actually the good guys.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Time to shame those people. Shame maybe even a cheeky
taser game. That's a shame. Shame that is after two o'clock.
Cause right now it's a chat about Princess Diana. A
new book is on sale in the UK as we speak,
and we'll be hitting here very soon as well. It's
called Diana World An Obsession. It's written by Edward White,
and it explores Diana's lasting cultural impact populist influence.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yeah, and what I found interesting I haven't read the book,
but I've read a couple of articles on the book
and a couple of quotes from the book. And you know,
we all know that Diana was a lovely person, etcetera, etcetera.
But we've all been taught that she was, you know,
the princess of hearts, the people's princess, and everything she
did was fantastic. But maybe her lasting legacy isn't as

(05:30):
great as you might think. As it says in this book,
her rebellion and vulnerability helped transform the monarchy and sparked
a wave of emotional populism that persists to the day.
Diana's openness and empathy changed the public and political discourse
in the UK, which then transported itself across the world
emotional transparency and altered expectations of what politicians did she

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in public? Did she just bring on a bunch of
whinging and whining and overly emotional public figures? Do we
need to know public figures feelings? Did Diana just make
things worse?

Speaker 5 (06:09):
Now?

Speaker 3 (06:09):
All we do is here about politicians feelings, and it
used to be that you were you stood in public
and you stood steadfast, and you were strong and you
were powerful and you led the country and how you
were feeling was was irrelevant until you wrote your punishing
book after you retire.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
So as she actually had a negative impact on the discourse.
And look, I'm looking forward to people really having a
go about me, at me about this because people love
Lady Diana and they don't like to hear anything negative
about it.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
And people, as Princess says, she was called in the UK.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
But she was a very emotional person, especially if you
compare her to say the Queen, Yes, who I've got
a lot of a lot of time for you know,
the Queen Queen Elizabeth viewed services solemn lifelong promise. She
did not chase popularity or emotional connection, but she focused
on being a constant, a symbol of stability, tradition and trust.

(07:05):
Her leadership wasn't emotional because she was in charge a
lot of people and she knew that being that stable
thing was an important thing for people to know that
there was there was something solid there. Whereas Diana all
over the body shop. Now you know, now whenever anything
happens to a politician, we we we hear how they feel.

(07:26):
And I know Diana wasn't a politician, but this what
I'm reading here argues that that did have an effect
on politics, and she did have a have a deal
with Tony Blair and to help get his agenda across
when Tony Blair took over, and to move away from
what she saw as the lack of empathy of the
Thatcher Right era. So she wasn't completely out of politics.

(07:49):
And also, if you are in the royal family in
the UK and across the Comwealth, you are you are
a politician of thoughts, of sorts. But yeah, this book
suggests that she changed the way all politicians behaved in
the Western world.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
And was that a good thing? I mean, just on
the public mourning and the emotional outpouring on her death. Famously,
that was a very challenging time for Queen Elizabeth. That
as you said, Queen Elizabeth was always your staunch and
you grieve in private. That is what we do as
British citizens and what you should do as a leader.
And she had to come to terms with trying to

(08:27):
figure out how to publicly mourn the death of Diana
and came under immense controversy and stress for letters.

Speaker 5 (08:34):
Again.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah, unfairly, yeah, unfairly because you know, when she was
this is what she said when she was twenty one
years old, the Queen, I declare before you She wouldn't
have been talking there.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
It was pretty good. Actually, that was a good start.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Well that was her old queen voice. I declare before
you all that my whole life, whether it be long
or short, shall be devoted to your service and the
service of our great family to which we all belong,
the family of the Commonwealth.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Very good.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, yeah, so you know, and she kept true to that,
didn't she.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
She did.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
Then Diana came in and look, let's we have to
admit that Charlie was a little bit. It was a
tough dog to keep on the porch. And his eyes
were her eyes, his eyes were family on Kimala and
that kind of been easy for her. And she can
still be a fantastic person, and Diana and we can,
we can love a lot about her, but that overly
emotional approach to public life. I don't know if I

(09:31):
like it. I just watched a video with Meghan talking
about her life and it made me want to vomit. Yeah,
and boy, Meghan pro Diana would never not that she
gets away with that, but I think it's led to
the kind of horrible emotional hemophiliacs you get like Meghan
and Harry.

Speaker 6 (09:50):
Well.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Perhaps maybe it was because it was the first time
someone in Diana's position did something like that, tried to
lead with just say empathy or the bleeding heart, whatever
you want to call it. But a lot of people
looked at that and see it authentic. Nowadays, I mean,
Meghan Markle is the opposite of authentic. But when people
try and undertake that stuff, I think it's seen as

(10:12):
a little bit fake, a little bit flimsy, a little
bit non authentic.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, yeah, but what about this from the Queen from
nineteen fifty three, Throughout all my life and with all
my heart, I shall strive to be worthy of your
trust you.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
That's a beautiful quote.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
That's what she did. She inmboted that no one knew
what was going on in her heart and all the
problems she had with Philip and her family and stuff,
because that wasn't that wasn't for the public to know.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
How do you feel about Diana's legacy and the way
that she conducted herself with empathy, worth emotion? Was that
in the end of bit of a disservice to the
royal family and perhaps how leaders conduct themselves. Now keen
to hear from you on this one Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It is

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sixteen past one.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
How dare you speak il of Diana? I will find
you stop, says this texture of nineteen nineteen.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
I told you you're a brave man.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Yeah, well, I'll tell you what. We're not going to
stop into it?

Speaker 4 (11:08):
Can I stop us?

Speaker 1 (11:11):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
That'd be good afternoon. We're discussing the legacy of Princess
Diana on the back of a new book that is
in bookstores in the UK as we speak. It's called
Diana World An Obsession, and it explores Diana's lasting cultural
impact and populist influence. The book argues that her legacy
includes a more open monarchy and a lasting strain of

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populism in Britain.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Well, as I was going to say, As as Diana
famously said in that interview with Michael Martin Bischer, which
has obviously been controversial because it turns out that he
faked the divorce papers to get her into it. Martin
Vasher is a terrible human bank. But as she said, Diana,
I lead from the heart, not the head, and that's
got me into trouble in my work. So you know,

(12:04):
do as she led to more people leading with their
heart and not the head, as opposed to the Queen
who definitely lived with her head and not her heart. Yeah,
and that's the reason why a lot of people love
the Queen. They are ups and downs, but by the end,
people across the Queen's life of service, you find very
few people that wouldn't say that she was a awesome
woman of service.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yep, she was a rock for the people of Great Britain.
Oh one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call, Glenn.
How are you?

Speaker 7 (12:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (12:35):
Good?

Speaker 7 (12:35):
Thanks? Yeah, good it guys, good subject. And yes, I
would like to read that book if it comes to
Suage in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 7 (12:43):
So yeah, So I was a huge fan of Diana
and Incidentally, the King and I got something in common.
We were both born in nineteen forty eight.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Okay, rw you sound a lot younger than that, Glenn.

Speaker 7 (12:58):
Oh thanks guys, thank you pretty and so forth.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
You've got a voice.

Speaker 7 (13:05):
Yes, thank you, thank you. So the biggest difference between
myself and King Charles, I say, his ears stick out
more than mine. But the other thing I say to
my friends, if I was married to the most beautiful
woman in the world, which was Diana in her day,

(13:26):
I would not be helping the fence to cheat with
a woman like Camilla. So there's were the similarity, you know,
and I changed something. I felt so strongly that when
King Charles and Camilla were in Auckland a few years ago,
right I said, I said to one of my friends,

(13:47):
you know what I feel like doing. I feel like
going and buying a custard pie and going down to
the waterfront and biffing it at Charles and say this
is for Diana what you did to Diana, but I did.
My friends, don't do that, then you'll.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
Get locked up.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
I think that was good advice. I think that was
good advice in the India. But but you know, you're
allowed to there's no such thing as the thought crime.
You're allowed to imagine it. It makes you feel better.

Speaker 7 (14:11):
I know, I know, honestly, that's That's how strongly I felt,
and I still do to this day. I got no
time for King Charles, not at all, not after what
he did. Same as Tiger Woods. I used to love
Tiger Woods, and then he went and cheated on his
beautiful wife Ali Norgren. And I mean, I just got
no time for that.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
So it sounds like.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
You take a very you think people should take their
their marriage vows more seriously.

Speaker 7 (14:39):
Well, when you're married to someone that's just so beautiful,
why would you do that? You've got to be it's
got to be a screw loose here, I reckon all right.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Okay, but just just bring it back to the topic
at hand, Glenn so Yes, Diana obviously went through her struggle.
She she she had, you know, her problems in life
and and and Charles treated her poorly. But do you
think as this this book suggests, you know, it doesn't
suggest it strongly. It's a small part of the that

(15:09):
her approach to life, her emotional approach to public service
and public life, and she is considered as a politician,
even though she wasn't elected in and it argues that
this attitude opened up the Western world to behaving like this.
But do you think that that emotional response where we
hear from political figures that their feelings on topics and

(15:33):
their feelings about how they're being treated, do you think
that that's a good legacy of hers, not her fault,
that that is her legacy. But do you think do
you think that the world changing in that direction where
political people are more emotional, has been a good or
a bad thing.

Speaker 7 (15:51):
Yeah, look, it's a pretty deep subject. But for me,
the legacy of Diana is seeing her in Africa with
those poor little kids. You know, she just had so
much empathy. Whereas the royals were sort of toffee, no
stuck up. She just got right down there and got
hands dirty, and you know, she was just really just

(16:13):
the most lovely person.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
Isn't it kind of the queen's job to be a
rock and be a bit stuffy and be an institution.
I mean, as she said in nineteen seventy seven, when
I was twenty one, I pledged my life to the
service of our people, and I asked for God's help
to make that vowel. Although the vowel was made in
my salad days when I was green in judgment, I
do not regret nor retract one word of it. She

(16:38):
was the same and when in nineteen fifty three as
she was as nineteen seventy seven, as she was when
she passed away a few years ago. And there's something
to be said for that, right. And she had definitely
gone up and down in her private life. The Queen
faced a lot of a lot of you know, stresses
in her private life, but in terms of her public

(16:58):
facing she was the same. She was steady. And isn't
that something to be admired from the people at the top.

Speaker 7 (17:05):
Service society the queen as well, you know. But anyway,
it's a good subject, guys, A better go.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Is Glenn married? He sounds like a top bloke with
amazing morals, such a rarity these days.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
That's from He certainly didn't sound the same age as
King Charles. And I say that with respect to Glenn.
He sounded like a young man.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
That's from Christina. Is Christina married? It sounds like Glenn
and Christina could get together.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
We can do it a matchmakers.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Glenn married, he sounds like a top bloke with amazing man.
Such a rarity these days. Cheers Christina.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
We'll hop you guys up. Maybe eighty ten eighty is
an umber cores also a dating service. It's right, so
we do it all. Yeah, there's just this line in
this article, and you've alluded to it a lot, you know,
a lot during this discussion. But so the author White
he why he resisted linkling Diana directly to Briggs that
he points out how the political climate in Britain has
never been the same. Authority is met with less difference.

(18:02):
Institutions are more open different sorry, institutions are more open
to outsiders. But this is a politicians weep on camera
and urge the public to show troubled youths more love.
So that is that big empathy thing. But a lot
of the leaders that we really respect throughout history venerate
they would never cry on camera or never show emotion.

(18:24):
And I'm thinking Winston Churchill, I'm thinking True Peters, Winston Peters,
Michael Joseph Savage, because that was something that was ingrained
in then being a leader. I imagine Winston Churchill breaking
down and said, it's not fair that Germany wants to
attack us. He would never do that. He needed to
be strong for the nation, say we are going to
be all right, we will take this on.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
You've articulated my point. Well there, Tyler, that's what I'm
trying to say. Isn't it your job when you're leading people?
And look, I know what you going to say. Diana
was married in when she was young and she didn't
necessarily buy into it or whatever, but she was a
political figure even though she wasn't voted in. But isn't
that one of the things you're supposed to do as
a leader. If you put yourself up and put your

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hand up and say I am going to be a
political leader in a killer country. One of those things
that you have to do is portray strength and stability
and be strong, because if you're not strong, then why
should the rest of us be strong? And whatever's happening
in your life. Sure, you know Charles was a bit
handsy with Camilla, but that was something that and look,

(19:30):
Prince Philip obviously calls the Queens province, but that's that
is your private life. If you're in front of people,
you need to, I believe, be strong and powerful and lead.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah, all right, Oh, what one hundred and eighty ten
eighty love to hear your thoughts on this one. It
is twenty eight past one.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking Breakfast.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
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Speaker 8 (20:01):
All?

Speaker 9 (20:01):
Well, it does make it more difficult for them, and
N's case the actual direct tariff on.

Speaker 10 (20:05):
US twelve percent of exports. A good expert, it's not.

Speaker 9 (20:09):
A game changer to the economy, but for some individual
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main channel through which she won could be effective of
the flower growth, including in China partners impacting our commodity
crisses and exports more generally, but also that confidence channel.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Back Monday from six am the mic asking Breakfast with
a Vida News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Good afternoon, having a great discussion about the legacy of
Princess Diana. It is after a new book that is
on sale in the UK as we speak. It will
be coming to our shores of course, Edward White is
the author and the book is called Diana World, an Obsession,
but it explores her lasting cultural impact and her populist influence.
But it does make the argument that Britain was forever

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changed when it came to that style of leadership and
politicians weeping on camera and urging the public to show
troubled youths more love was certainly a feature of that.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
Yeah, so you don't have to blame Diana for it,
but according to this, and it would seem to be
true if you look into it, that she changed the
way politicians behaved. This Texas is I want to see
politicians crying. They should be humans. I want to hear
that they are hurt by things, so we know not
what to say. I guess the special means, so we
know not to say those things to them. I want
to know what's happening in their hearts and in their lives.

(21:23):
You want robots to lead you. The Queen was a robot.
She had no personality of her own. I want to
be led by people with a heart like Diana. And
of course you're going to text and say that they
didn't lead us, but but they are political figures. And
they did lead to more emotional behavior from other people.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
Diana.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
All right, so that person.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
It's a detext. I could feel the emotion in that text.
I'm going to say. And this Texas says, at the
time the future queen had to be a virgin of
noble birth without any blemishes like affairs, which Camilla wasn't
at the time. Blame on hundred years one hundred years
of palace protocol. William told the palace snubs to get

(22:04):
stuffed when he married Kate, and they did. Steve from Tikowiti.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Well, it's funny say that, Steph from Tickerwitty, because I
would say that that William married the most queen like
royal for quite some time.

Speaker 11 (22:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
She may have been the daughter of a what was
it was, I think it was a pilot, was he?

Speaker 2 (22:23):
No?

Speaker 3 (22:27):
Yeah, the Middleton's Yeah, So I don't know whether she
was a virgin or not. Absolutely. I don't think that's
that's that's the part that we necessarily want to keep
or focus on. But I would say that Kate Middleton
does seem to demonstrate that sort of stoic Queen Elizabeth
approach to being in public life, absolutely more than the

(22:49):
likes of Megan or Diana did, which is interesting that
William picked someone like Kate to be his partner, someone
who's very solid.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah, she's pretty stoic, but with a touch of Diana
in there. And Kate, I mean you see that with
some of the things that she does. But yeah, I
mean I think that balance between Kate and the Queen
should probably meet. Lean more to Queen Elizabeth hundred.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
I can't believe you guys think that the Kings of
England were stoic. They were creeps. And Winston Churchill was
a drunk and had wild mood swings. Look at that
old weird Trump guy. He's a role. He uses Winston
Churchill as a royal model. Now, yeah, maybe Winston was.

(23:34):
Winston Churchill was a bit of a drunk here and
there and enjoyed a champagne or two, but in public
he was very powerful and strong. We shall meet them
on the beaches, yeah you know.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
We've got headlines coming up, but we're keen to check
to you on this one. It is twenty sixty two.

Speaker 12 (23:56):
You talk said the headlines with Blue Bubble taxis it's
no trouble with a blue bubble. The double murder trial
for a man accused of killing an Auckland couple in
their Elleslie home two years ago has been aborted before
any witnesses could be called. A new trial date will
be set. Building inspectors are out assessing around fifty flood

(24:17):
effect at homes in Selwyn. The district and christ Church
are in a state of emergency after record breaking down
Paul sparked widespread flooding, slips and road closures. Some homes
in Wellington may be without power until mid next week
after yesterday's extreme weather. Health New Zealand is rescheduling thousands
of planned procedures following yesterday's nationwide strike by senior doctors.

(24:41):
Health and union officials are meeting today to discuss possible
facilitation and karkapool have been heard booming in Wakato for
the first time in more than a century. Australia's bold
strategy may inspire New Zealand rugby policy shift. You can
see Gregor Paul's opinion at NZED Herald Premium. Now back
to Mattiethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Thank you very much, Railean well there's been some accusations
flying on the text machine.

Speaker 13 (25:07):
Man.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
Yes, someone ca Elf from you Plumbers saying the mocking
of the late Queen by you Matt is beyond contempt.

Speaker 11 (25:14):
Elf.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Are you even listening to the freaking show You're gonna
text nine to ninety two? Turn your freaking ears on, mate.
I've just been talking about how great the queen has
have I've been.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Stopped for the last half as talking out the queen
stick monarch and one of the best leaders we've have aired.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
This absolute muppet from New Plumbers says the mocking of
the late queen is beyond contempt.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Truth, Elf, you and Matt would get on. You could
go over to beer and chat about how beautiful the
queen was because Matt is a massive fan of Queen Elizabeth.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Yeah, well, I tell you what, I'm not a massive
fan of Elf from New Plumber.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Jesus, Mate, Come on, Elf, it's Friday, mate, just listen.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
If you haven't heard, don't put that commenting. Have you
ever been listening anyway?

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Anyway? Thank you?

Speaker 4 (25:58):
Elf?

Speaker 11 (25:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (25:58):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Not thank you?

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Um what a muppet?

Speaker 2 (26:02):
It's god, Chris, Chris, you weren't a fan of Diana, No,
but I.

Speaker 15 (26:08):
Wasn't in a call, so I'll keep this call. Call quick, gents.
I'm just about stinish lunch. What trigger in my call
was yet a gentleman on gosh, I can't remember his name,
but from what I understood, he was so anti Charles
based on purely if you had such a beautiful wife
as Diana, why would you do that? So that that

(26:28):
seemed to be the sort of, you know, the premise
of this sort of point of view. Now, I mean,
I don't particularly care about the Royals, you know, established stuff,
tuffy nose, stuffy, et cetera. But and I don't particularly
like Charles either. But he's not a bad person now
since Diana unfortunately passed away in that he doesn't he

(26:52):
not raise two children on his own, you know, they
turn up reasonably role. I mean, the troubles were sort
of happening. Now that's not really to do with him.
That's to do with their own intermarriage, you know, relationships whatever,
so you know, And I mean like Diana was not
she didn't said on cloud some sort of angelic bean,
you know. So I sort of remember the sort of

(27:17):
the psyche when Diana passed away, the hatred towards Charles
been all the stuff. You know, it's flightly embarrassing to
see the sort of behavior. You know, you actually got
to think about Diana again. No one's perfect, absolutely, but
she knew how she how to manipulate the media as well,
so she was put you know, she there was a
degree of expediency in her behavior as well.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
I mean, even the way she did her makeup for
the Michael this Year interview, even though we know now
that there was a very dodge in here, was a
terrible human being, but that we know for a fact
that she said, make me a lot incredibly depressed in there.

Speaker 15 (27:55):
And in a way actually I mean again don't really
have any type of charlds either, but I mean, if
you're going to be shallow about it and talking about beauty,
the fact that he chose Camilla and he's you know, that.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Could be argued to be a positive about a person
that so if you go, well, he chose someone because
he had a close connection to her and he saw
Camilla as his soul mate over someone that was arguably
I don't know, I'm not going to go and rate them.
Arguably bitter looking could be seen as strength of character.
Couldn't it Chris.

Speaker 15 (28:25):
Yeah, but then you know sort of court of public
opinion and the sort of media and you know, tabloids
and all that kind of stuff that they don't focus
on that sort of thing. They focus on the sort
of aesthetic side of things, you know, and and and
what sort of scandal might sell and you know, and
then people people themselves can't rationalize it, so they just
end up believing.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Thank you so much for your call. What are you
having for lunch that you've just finished, Chris? If you
don't mind me asking.

Speaker 15 (28:52):
Well, I'm in Wellington, so on a day like this,
I had stopped to the Colonel's. I've got a wicked.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Pack popcorn check it and wicked wings.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
Did you say?

Speaker 11 (29:04):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (29:04):
I did, close to close to my heart, Chris, delicious,
so hungry right now I need in case you.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Have a great afternoon, Chris. Thanks for calling.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call Diana's legacy. Did she do a bit of a
disservice to how leaders operate? Sorry, you got to have
seen the text.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
I know I was just someone saying, oh, I was
going to say this to Chris as well, but It's like,
I don't know if Charles strictly brought up his kids
on his own. I think he had a little bit
of help. Yeah, yeah, a lot of considering he has
helped just getting dressed in the morning. He's got his
own valet.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Exactly hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It's eighteen to two. Have a chat with the.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Lads on eight hundred eighty ten eighty, Mad Heathen Tayler
Adams afternoons used talk.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Said, be good afternoon, it is quarter to two, and
having a good discussion about the legacy of Diana. It
has been not called into question, but somewhat challenged in
a new book out that's in sale in the UK
as we speak, called Diana World.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
That's right. There's an accusation that it's sparked emotional popularism
that has been taken on by politicians to hide behind
a wall of emotions and use empathy as a weapon
to get away with thanks by just crying their way
out of what if a problem they get themselves into.
Doesn't mean Diana wasn't an awesome person. I mean she's

(30:24):
not responsible for the way people use her legacy. Welcome
to the show Mike, you've got a story about Diana.

Speaker 7 (30:32):
I have.

Speaker 13 (30:33):
I'm going back thirty years ago when I met my
wife's cuby Gill, and we were living in London and
her mother and father had some friends who were very
wealthy in Earle's Court in London, so the Asters would
be housed at the house for six months while they
came out to New Zealand her to escape the winter
over there. Anyway, we jumped at it as just like
a three bedroom, a three story house in the middle

(30:55):
of Shales Court. It was a way out of ours vam.
So we go in there and we take over the house.
The reason they wanted us to take it over, we
didn't get it at the end. It was such an
egotistical thing is that she had a maid who was
also Diana's maid part time, but we didn't know this. Anyway,
the maid comes in and we sued to have to
pay her twenty quick a week whatever it was, and

(31:18):
the name and the name of the lady was Lily. Now,
the funny thing was that I'm a musician, have played
guitar and play piano, and I'm in there and she
used to just come over to me all the time, Michael,
please come to the church. It was a Filipino lady
come to the church and play for us. And I
was like, not really, but I was always plugging, and
I was like, what's it like, you know, working for Diana.
It's like I can't tell you because of the official

(31:39):
secret sect and whatever else. But he had only job.
It's bizarre when you actually go into it and actually
understand it. Her only job was she'd go in the morning.
She'd opened the blind, pull the blanket back, and SAI,
good morning, your majesty. That was her job. Get it
gets more and more weird, but anyway, so that was
her job. And then she'd come and clean the house

(32:00):
twice a week. Now, over the period that we were there,
I actually became quite friendly with it, and she started
taking me into a confidence and every morning she said, Michael, please,
please played piano on the song, play play the gospel songs.
Played piano for her. And then one day she sat
down next to me and she turned around she said,
I want to tell you something about Diana, so I
see her go on, so the boss too. It was

(32:21):
one day she'd gone in there two years earlier. She
was crying and Diana said, Lily, Lily, whatever's the matter?
She said to, my mother is about to die. Within
sixteen hours, she was on a plane in business class
to the Philippines. Diana that organized that for her. Now,
anyone who'd done that, I thought, that's got to be
a good person.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Is a good person. I mean, she had the money
to do it, but she's but you have just have
the thought to do it. Is beautiful, isn't it so much?
Are you saying that you would have had the ability
if you're taking up the option to come and play
for Diana? What was the church?

Speaker 13 (32:56):
No, I actually met Diana las long as it goes,
but that's a different story altogether. No, it wasn't that.
It's just that she became very friendly with me. She
started to tell me some really weird stuff. Now I
am actually a Royalist. I must be the only person
from the Blue Words, but I am. And she started
telling me things, and it changed my perception totally about

(33:17):
the royals. So, for an example, with Charles, if Charles
would walk into a room that he's walked into a
hundred times, and let's say a booth that was supposed
to be placed on the table was an inch either
side of where there should be. That person would be fired,
or a photograph wasn't exactly where they should be on
a table, or that person would be fired if it

(33:38):
was just anywhere that. So you can imagine, let me
time to go into a room, it's exactly how it
should be and nothing is out by the slicest milimeter.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Yeah, well that's kind of like Mike hosking it and
news tucks. He'd be very much trying to get everyone
fired if they move his a little bits of CRUs
such as fody leaves lying around.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know where it is.

Speaker 13 (34:00):
But it's really quite strange when you when when you
actually got into it. But the bottom line to what
I took from that, it was a beautiful thing that
Diana did. And about a year later, I used to
work in Chelsea and I'd gone into the office on
a Friday to drop my business off and just as
I got into the office, this guy walks in and
he must have been not six foot ten, and he

(34:21):
was built like the back end of the brickhouse. And
he come up and he turned. I said, do oh
was a card X y Z? And I said, I
to mine. He says move it, and I said, just
give me a minute, and he come up to me.
He just towered over and he said move it. So
I said, okay, So any I go downstairs with him
and mover. And it's Diane. She's waiting to get house.
She used to go to the gym above where I
used to work. So I said to her the story
about Lily, and I try towards you up moller. And

(34:43):
she was just so beautiful. She was truly a beautiful person,
I believe, because it's very easy to make someone very
beautiful through pr and the way he promote them and
all that and whatever else. But the way she actually
the way she came across, and it always stuck with
me what she did for this poor little Filipino lady
who was heart broken and she had on a plane.
I just thought that was a beautiful thing.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
Really.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
Yes, well, thank you so much for sharing your story.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Great stories. Yeah, I mean that is I mean, Mike
has been in that situation. But that is a compelling
argument for Diana, and some would say she was she
took a punt doing what she did, how she acted
in public and putting we're in her heart on a
sleep that was arguably quite a brave thing for her
to do, because she came under quite a bit of
stick for that.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
That may be true, Tyler, but the argument isn't that.
The thing that's not being pushed forward here is whether
Diana was a good person or not. It is that
whether her emotional approach and look, everyone, no matter how
nice she was, would admit that she did use She
did emotionally manipulate people. That is well documented. Even the
biggest fans of evil say that. But that emotional public

(35:46):
response that she put out there affected and enabled other
people or empowered I guess other politicians going forward to
hide behind a wall of empathy as well. So when
something goes down, you just the waterworks come out, and
then all of a sudden you're allowed to hassle.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Oh on one hundred and eighty ten eighty, do you
agree or disagree? It is nine to two.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Matt heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
eighty it's mad Heathen Tyler Adams. Afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Said, news Talk said, Robin, very good afternoon to you.
How are you good?

Speaker 16 (36:24):
Thank you? And I've been thinking about what I wanted
to say and it suddenly hit me that maybe Donald
Trump is the opposite and he didn't get that lesson.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Would say that, which particular lesson is that Robin, Sorry,
which particular lesson is that Robin empathy?

Speaker 16 (36:45):
That he didn't learn how to be empathetic. So he's
almost opposite, isn't there, I'm going to do this, I'm
going to do that. I'm going to do that.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
So you're saying like that, you're saying he's more like
you're saying Robin that he's more like the Queen.

Speaker 16 (36:57):
Then no, no, he's opposite, extreme to empathetic. I would think, right.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
No, but he but what he does, which is like
Diana shere his emotions and so you always know how
he feels about a particular issue. Whereas what we're kind
of saying is what the Queen did is she kept
all that behind and tried to be a rock for
her people. So what her personal emotions never came into play.
You never knew what they were. She was steady, you know,

(37:28):
she pledged to be that way, and she was that
way for seventy five years.

Speaker 16 (37:32):
Thank you for explaining that. And so I will rephrase
and say that for me, I quite like somebody who
in you know, that's head of state or head of
Evan government, not to have not to be like that,

(37:54):
not to show their emotions all the time. It's times
where it is important to show emotions. Diana was a wife,
so that's that's the position. You can actually be like
that rather than be the one in control. But jas,
I think we shouldn't really judge. But I think it's
really wonderful that the person's brought out this book because

(38:16):
I don't think anybody's ever raised this question, and I
think it's a question that needs to be raised.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Oh well, thank you so much for you call Robin.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yeah, thank you very much. A couple of texts to finish, Guys,
we will never see the likes of Queen Elizabeth the
Ion again. The way media Watch mocked Mike Hosking for
crying on here when she died exposes them for the
solest people that they are. Give me a constitutional monarchy
over socialism any day of the week.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
And this person says, hey, guys, I think Diana was
very manipulative person. She married into a family knowing Charles
was in love with Camilla, looks have nothing to do
with it. He loved Camilla and she loved him end
of it. And no, I don't think politicians should do
the sniveling and crying in public.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, very good discussion. Really enjoyed that. Right coming up
after the news at two o'clock, are we taking too
many things away from young members of our towns. We
want to have a chat about what they did in Napier.
They wanted to close the bars an hour earlier, but
they decided not to do that. But one counselor in

(39:20):
particular was pretty hot on the fact that they don't
seem to be catering for the younger members of towns
around New Zealand. So that is coming up by we
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call News, Sport and Weather on its way. We'll see
you on the other side News Talks. It'd be very

(39:42):
very good Afternoon View All afternoon.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
ZIB Good afternoon to you. Welcome into the show. So
we're going to get into a topic very very shortly,
the local alcohol policy and Napier they are going to
retain it at three a m. The bar closing times
after council reversal. So originally they looked to a c

(40:08):
those bars at two am instead of three am, but
after a passionate push by one of their councilors, Richard McGrath,
they are no longer going to do that, and he
had a great quote.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Yeah, that's right, And it just got me thinking about
the idea of morality and how currently all the virtue
is put in the hands of people that try and
shut down bars and close things early and put restrictions
on activities. But there is an argument that they are
not the good guys. And I just thought this was
a fantastic line from councilor Richard McGrath to his other

(40:42):
council people. The likes he goes. He looked around the
council table and making up his mind. The likes of
the three o'clock in the morning is for eighteen to
twenty five year olds and that is not us. He said.
There is only one place in aper open until three
am and offers a point of difference. You can actually
go and dance. Not my thing, but for plenty of
people it is. And perhaps if we go back far

(41:04):
enough around the table, for some dancing was a big
thing I'm not prepared to take that away from our
community who are growing up and doing their thing and
learning about the world. How are they going to learn
about the world sitting at home playing on a PlayStation.
And I just thought that was a really, really good point.
And anyone surely we know these things from the Footloose
movie from nineteen eighty four with Kimbo Bacon. It was

(41:26):
remade recently. Both movies are fantastic movies. But if you
are a small town and not look, Napier's not that
smaller town. It's a fantastic place. Napier, it's not the
biggest place. And it does struggle with the young people leaving.
So when you do make rules like they're closing bars early,
so there's so young people walk around and go there's

(41:47):
no nightlife here, there's nothing for me to do here.
There's no community here, there's no culture here. They up
sticks and move to other towns. Is it behoven? I
guess upon councils and people in charge to make sure
there are the things available for the young people to
do that they want to do, such as going out

(42:09):
to clubs to three am in the morning. Yeah, because
you know your hometown Nelson, for example, Tyler, you go
back there and nothing's open that late anymore, is it?

Speaker 2 (42:17):
It's not the same because I think they reversed their decision.
They had it at three am when I was eighteen,
and that was great. That was so many people going out.
There was only about three or four bars, and there's
still actually a few of closed down Sadley. But then
the council decided to try and change that and reduced
it to two am. Then this idea about you know,
the lock and policy, and what they ended up doing

(42:39):
is it just started to kill the nightlife. The people
are Nelson and you go back now and it's dead.
Last time was in Nelson and I went out on
a Saturday night to say, I just wonder how the
old club street is doing these days, and there was
nothing going on.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
And we're a tourist country, right, So it's not only
the locals that you don't want to leave the town,
the young people and you want to give them something
to do, but it's also tourists. Tourists come to New
Zealand they go there's absolutely nothing to do. Yeah, and
that's a really bad lock. It makes us look depressing,
So do we need to tell the skiddy's that they've
got it wrong more often. When you tell that more often,

(43:12):
and do what Nap has done and make sure there
is places that people can go and have fun. You
can always describe problems and use them to shut down
fun and freedom, but it doesn't always make you the
good guy. Yeah, as I say, wats foot loose?

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Yeah, they can good the karality story. They canceled the dancing, Yeah,
we know how that ended.

Speaker 11 (43:33):
Well.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
It ended in a very aggressive dance and a factory
and a very very angry dance in a forest.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Great music name. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Do
councils have their younger members of their towns and cities
in mind? Or are they cutting things that are just
fun for younger people? Love to hear from you. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It is ten PAS two.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Your home of afternoon talk mad Heathan Tylor Adams afternoons
call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty Youth Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
News Talk z B. It is thirteen past too.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
This is newstalks'd be breaking news.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Yes and breaking news. Prominent businessman, author and former politician
Sir Robert Edward Jones, known as Sir Bob Jones, has
passed away. Eighty five year old. Sir Bob died at
home surrounded by family after a brief illness. That is
very sad and very big news.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
Yeah, that is huge news. He's loomed large over New
Zealand society for a very very long time. Yeah, I
mean founder of New Zealand. First, of course, he's knighted
boxing enthusiast. Yeah, controversial figure. Yes, I believed in what
he believed in and stood up forty believed in.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Called a spade a spade as they say.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Yeah, yep, big fan of smoking in his office for
a very long long time. Yeah, Bob Jones. So you
know one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Have you got
any thoughts on Bob Jones and his legacy?

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Yeah, incredible legacy. So just repeating that Sir Bob Jones
passed away at the age of eighty five years old,
surrounded by family at his home. There'll be more to
come on that story as the afternoon progresses, but in
the meantime we'll go back to this particular topic that
we are talking about. It is on the back of
Napier deciding to reverse their proposed local alcohol policy. That
policy would have seen their bars close at two am

(45:23):
instead of three am. They've seen the light and decided
to keep it at three am. And it was one
particular quote from their counselor, their counselor rich McGrath, who said,
I quote, the likes of the three o'clock in the
morning is for eighteen to twenty five year olds and
that is not us. There's only one place in Napier

(45:44):
open till three am, and it offers a point of difference.
So love to hear your thoughts. Do councils actually look
after the younger members of these towns?

Speaker 4 (45:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (45:52):
And on the Bob Jones thing, we'll try and get
hold of Barry Soper, who was a very good friend
of Bob Jones over many times and commentated on him
a lot over the years.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Obviously, Yep, we'll get to him very shortly. But in
the meantime, Ronder, you're a counselor in Napier, is that right?
I am good to chat with you. So you were
in this council meeting, you know your fellow councilor Richard
McGrath very well.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
Were you four again, We were you four again two
pm two am or three pm, three am, four three pm,
three am.

Speaker 17 (46:25):
Richard did a great speech, but he wasn't the only one.
It's just that they've picked up on one person's speech.
A lot of us spoke out about, particularly in my
point of view. I've brought up three boys who've managed
to make it to the twenties, thank god. And you know,
going out to local bars is much safer than going

(46:48):
to the parties that I have gone and picked them
up from. And that was that was a real probably
another really strong point that we did, that you're actually
our young ones, they're actually safer and a premise where
people looking out for them, watching out for them, the security,
then they are at a party with no control. So yeah,

(47:10):
I was totally for keeping it. I grew up here.
We used to have lots of night here in the
eighties and nineties. There was lots of fun, and why
should we take that away from us?

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Do you think, yeah, does it lead to you know,
young people leaving your town? I mean, Nape is beautiful place,
fantastic area to live in, but you know, there might
be other opportunities in other cities. And if there's no
nightlife for the young people. Do you think that that
that's you know, a motivation for them to leave to
bigger places.

Speaker 17 (47:40):
I think the kids leave because you know, kids do leave.
Or my boys are overseas at the moment. So we
don't have a university here. We have an e T
but which does keep some of our young ones here.
But you know it is they want to go and
see the big world and other places. Having a night
life is important, and you know, I think COVID has

(48:02):
really hurt that industry big time and obay, here our
hospitality struggling, and so why should we put restrictions on
them when you know we we need them to keep
going because I believe that, you know, the tourists will
come back and the fun will come back hopefully, and
the places need to be open for that to have.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
And how lame does Hastings look now when they're closing earlier?

Speaker 17 (48:26):
Well, it was one of the debates because they wanted
us to be the same, because we know we're quite
close together, but why should we be the same. It's
I just you know, I got voted on as an
acta city counselor, and that's what I stood up for so.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
Yeah, and I mean, how many, to be brutally honest,
how many places are looking to stay open and they
fire to three a m.

Speaker 17 (48:53):
There's only one?

Speaker 2 (48:55):
You're right.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
What's it called?

Speaker 17 (48:59):
Well, the pub is called rocks Off. The nightclubs called
rocks out of the whale.

Speaker 18 (49:05):
Like.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Get your rocks off?

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Yeah, good names, yeah, good name. You know what you're
going to get?

Speaker 3 (49:11):
What kind of music is it playing it? Get your
rocks off? That sounds pretty old fashioned.

Speaker 17 (49:16):
To be fair. I haven't been there for a very
long time.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Oh it's clear, so yeah, it's.

Speaker 17 (49:22):
First we did so we did after his twenty first.
But they play all the young ones music, although I
know my boys tell me that when if they are
home and they do go back there, they think it's
the same music that they played when they were like
you know aten, So yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
Well, well good on you, because look, as people get older,
they they you know, they they might have had fun
when they're young, and they try and shut down the
fun going forward to the young. As people get older,
they look back and go, oh, these people, you know,
it's like they've had their fun, but they don't. They're
scared of other people having their fun. They're scared what
they do. So I think I think people on councils

(49:59):
need to go, Look, we've got a cada for everyone
of all age groups, and we can't just listen to
the wines and the skinny cats that try and shut
everything down.

Speaker 17 (50:08):
Well totally, it's I mean, the local alcohol policy is
about you know, alcohol is a huge problem in society,
but this isn't the place that's causing it. And that's
one of the big things. You know, there is lots
of other you know, it was a real shame that

(50:28):
the Department of Health didn't have the stats for us,
so when people come into eds with you know, alcohol
boys and alcohol issues, that they couldn't tell us whether
it was from pubs, from parties, from where there have
been because that would be a really good fact because
I would I would bet it's from parties and socializing, not.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
This, I would I would agree. I would take that
bet as well. And I'm saying, hey, thanks so much
for and.

Speaker 17 (50:59):
Some house listening, and I went, I just it was
more than just Richard a couple of good speeches.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Thank you, sounds like a good counsel, Wonda, And the.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Good decision has been made in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Yeah, good on you, good place, good counsel. There you go, right, decisions.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Being made, a rare thing, a good council.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Yeah, absolutely, Now we were going to carry this on.
But of course, with that said, breaking news of Sir
Bob Jones passing away at the age of eighty five,
we want to transition.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Yeah, that's right, And so we've managed to track down
the great Barry Soaper, who has been a friend of
Bob Jones for a very long time and covered him
for a very long time as well. So we'll talk
to Bob took to Barry Soaper about Bob Jones up next.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Absolutely, but we also want to hear your thoughts about
Sir Bob Jones's legacy. A lot of techs coming through
at the moment. We want to hear your stories. Oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number call.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
And of course I must correct is everyone's texting through
and the heat of the moment, I said he was
the founder of New Zealand. First, I meant he was
the founder of the New Zealand Party in nineteen eighty
three and a protest against Robert Muldoon's National government. So yeah,
of course, the founder of the New Zealand Party.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
He's not when some no, exactly there's twenty one past two.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk zby.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Very good afternoon, So breaking news in the last fifteen minutes. Sad,
breaking news that Sir Bob Jones has passed away at
the age of eighty five. He passed away in his
family home, surrounded by his family members. A man that
knew Sir Bob Jones very well was our senior political correspondent,
Barry Soaper, who joins us now. Barry, Good afternoon, Good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
So, Barry, you knew Sir Bob both professionally and personally.

Speaker 11 (52:48):
Yes, very sad to hear of his death.

Speaker 18 (52:51):
We knew though for some weeks that he was ailing,
and I talked to one of his daughters this morning,
and you know, he at least died where he would
have wanted to die, and that's in his home and
Lower Hut, surrounded by his family. So for that, I'm
sure Bob would appreciate.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
Yeah, because it all started for him in Lower Hut,
didn't it.

Speaker 18 (53:17):
Well, it all started for him really when back in
nine I and he was one of the original pupils
at nine I School and went on, unlike most of
the others, to the sixth form and then went to university,
which was sort of almost unheard of in those days.

Speaker 11 (53:36):
But Bob, Bob was a.

Speaker 18 (53:37):
Man that never was one to toe anybody's line. And
the thing that I liked about him, he was a
person that always spoke his mind. And you know, I've
been at many dues, been around many dinner tables, and
had many conversations with Bob Jones, and the conversations that

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you treasure because you'll never forget them. Bob was a
reverent he was you know, he was deliberately obnoxious at times.
But for those of us who knew him well, we
knew the cut of the man's cloth, and he was
a thoroughly decent individual.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Was he the same guy in private as he was
in public?

Speaker 11 (54:20):
Oh? Pretty much so.

Speaker 18 (54:21):
I mean I remember when Bob reached seventy, he said
to me, Locke, when you get to seventy, he said,
speak your own bloody mind, because you know you're at
an age that you're entitled to say what you think.
And Bob I don't think it took him until he
was seventy to say what he thought. He basically let

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you know how he thought. And to that end, of course,
he let Muldoon, Rob Muldoon know in the early eighties
how he thought. He went out and formed the New
Zealand Party and collared twelve percent of the vote.

Speaker 11 (54:58):
Now you know it was the.

Speaker 18 (55:01):
Oh he would have been most unsuited as an MP.
But nevertheless, in those days it was first past the post.

Speaker 11 (55:08):
But it saw the.

Speaker 18 (55:09):
End of Rob Muldoon and his government in the beginning
of the Longy Labor government, whose policies under Rogernomics Bob
Jones light. But you know when it came to Muldoon,
even though there may have been enemies at one stage,
it was Bob along with Audrey Young, who of course

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one of the senior correspondents for the Herald, her father
being Young. They put on a fearwell dinner for Rob
Muldoon in the Wellington Club and it was really the
most wonderful occasion.

Speaker 11 (55:44):
And Muldourn I had a radio show in those days.

Speaker 18 (55:47):
In the morning, and muldourn and Bob Jones came on
the show the morning after the dinner, Bob was traditionally
running late, arrived there during the ad break, but Muldoon
was there and it's the first time I've ever seen
Muldoon cry, and he cried over gratitude for Bob Jones

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and maybe how they should never have had a falling
out in the first place.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
There are some great Bob Jones stories over the years
and some great wounds around the eighty four election. Anyone's
specific ones that you can remember around that time.

Speaker 18 (56:23):
Well, I remember the foundation of the New Zealand Party
and it was a wonderful for the media because the
media I don't think I've ever been locked after as
well at any political conference that the wine and the
beer flowed throughout the conference.

Speaker 11 (56:42):
The food was sublime.

Speaker 18 (56:44):
So Bob really knew how to look after the media,
even though he got frustrated with the media very much.

Speaker 11 (56:52):
So from time to time.

Speaker 18 (56:53):
But when it came when it came to the election,
you know, Bob was in his element and he spoke
when he was on stage very quietly for him and
quite deliberately, a man who got his message across, and
no one left any meeting not understanding what Bob Jones meant.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Yeah, I had a great story and you can maybe
confirm or deny this, but it was on the way
to a television debate and Bob Jones was going to
debate David Longi and Rob Muldoon And as he was
being driven in, Bob Jones noticed that he was had
pulled up beside the car of Rob Muldoon and for
a joke, he got his driver to give it a

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little bang. He got us drive to turn into it
and give it a little bang and then drove off.
Do you know if that's true.

Speaker 18 (57:44):
Well, I've heard the story, but look, I would have
my doubts about it because it will have been an LTD.

Speaker 11 (57:52):
In those days that Muldoon cohorts.

Speaker 18 (57:55):
She used to get around it, and they were revered cards,
and I think it would take even somebody bigger than
Bob Jones to nudge one of those cars.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Yeah, he had obviously a competitive public image Bowie, but
also a wicked sense of humor. But from what you're saying,
it sounds like he didn't hold a grudge if he
if he could help it.

Speaker 11 (58:16):
No, he didn't.

Speaker 18 (58:17):
Actually some people that he held a grudge for, but
probably the ones that he have grudges were fairly deserved,
I would imagine. But no, Bob was not unlike dare
I say it another old mate who's in politics, Winston Peters.
That Peters and I have had, you would have to say,

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a volatile relationship over the years. But Bob, like Winston Peters,
they generally wouldn't hold grudges and would get over things.
And Bob was very like that. He wrote a very
good column He used to write very good columns up
until relatively recently online and that was rather ironic in itself.

(59:03):
And that Bob he never liked much to do with
teak And if you were at a dinner table with
him with a cell phone, the likelihood is that the
cell phone would end up on the water.

Speaker 11 (59:16):
Joe. He hated them so much.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
Yeah, he once reached out to me though by an email,
to complain about my grammar and an article I wrote
for the Herald. So he was very very staunch on grammar.
So you know, one of the most famous instants in
his in his legacy, I guess, is the Rod Vaughan situation.
How do you remember that going down back in the day.

Speaker 18 (59:40):
Well, I remember when Bob was he was convicted of
assault for it. And find two thousand dollars, and he
said to the judge, can I pay another two thousand
dollars and do it over again?

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Of course, you know, great sad to hear.

Speaker 11 (59:55):
I don't know what the judge thought if he didn't
allow him. It didn't allow him to pay it.

Speaker 18 (59:59):
But no, again, it'll be interesting if Vard was around,
which I don't think he is unfortunately, but he and
Bob probably I would imagined and patched things up. Bob
was really hosed off about his fishing spot, upset by

(01:00:20):
the blades of a helicopter and that's what really pissed
him off, and that's why he said upon the journalist.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
Well, he was a huge boxing enthusiast, Sir Bob Jones,
wasn't he? And that punch did actually break Rodvaughn's nose,
so obviously had some skills. So that was a lifelong
love and he was involved and Joseph Parker early on
as well, wasn't he Bob Jones?

Speaker 18 (01:00:41):
Yes, Well, he started boxing when he was at university,
and indeed he was the university lightweight boxing champion I
think for a number of years.

Speaker 11 (01:00:53):
So he was very deaft with his fists. There's no
doubt about that.

Speaker 18 (01:00:57):
But the only time he used them, as to my
knowledge and anger, was against Rod Vaughan on that fateful day.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
And to Rangie, yes, So if you could, and putting
on this bot here, you know, sum up your thoughts
on Sir Bob Jones, you know, personally and publicly in
a couple of sentences, that would be awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
Barry.

Speaker 18 (01:01:19):
Well, I'm very sadden that Bob is no longer around
because he was a character plus and a very enjoyable
company A laugh a minute, and I think the world
won't be quite the same, certainly for me, without Bob
Jones being in it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Yeah, Barry, thank you very much for having a chat
with us. Really appreciate it, and we'll catch up again soon.

Speaker 11 (01:01:43):
It's my pleasure. Chairs.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
That is News Talks the b senior political correspondent of course,
Barry Soaper and a close friend of Sir Bob. We
want to hear from you about your memories of Sir
Bob Jones. Sadley passed away today at the age of
eighty five. And if you want to send a teacher,
more than welcome nine to nine two. But the number
is eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. It is twenty
seven to.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Three news talks'd be headline.

Speaker 12 (01:02:08):
With blue bubble taxis It's no trouble with a blue bubble.
Prominent businessman, author and former politician, Sir Robert Edward Jones,
better known as Sir Bob Jones.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Has died.

Speaker 12 (01:02:20):
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Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, and we're talking about your
memories of Sir Bob Jones. He has passed away at
the age of eighty five, surrounded by family at his
home in Wellington. But keen to hear your stories about
Sir Bob Jones, an absolute icon in New Zealand and
leaves behind an incredible legacy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Yeah, a willfully controversial figure that always spoke his mind.
Sir Bob wasn't above taking time to talk to the
tradesman that worked for him. He would remember your name.
I was his plumber.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Oh that Yeah, So that is the measure of a man,
isn't it. Rest in peace, Sir Bob legendary New Zealander
thought leader, authentics, successful at business, very successful at business.
He then used to gift generously to enable others as well.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Tony your thoughts on Sir Bob Jones.

Speaker 5 (01:04:05):
Madam Tyler. Yeah, I attended a couple of his party
sound seminars and he was a really interesting guy. He
gave a lot of good advice. He also suggested initially,
if you couldn't get money from a bank, you could
often get it from a solicitors fund, which I in
fact did myself on the first property I bought. But
the main purpose of my tool is that I don't
know if a lot of people realized this, but actually

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was very involved and the initial promotion, and he actually
paid Joseph Parker a salary to trainers and boxing because
he saw a lot of potential in him. And of
course a lot of people would realize now that you know,
Joseph Parker is certainly one of the will contenders and

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one of the best ten boxes in the world right now.
So he was very involved in his actual career. And
he was also a guy that used to be asked
to come on a lot of your sporting commentaries with
your sports announcers if there was a big boxing match
to come up, because he had a great knowledge of
the sport and most of the comment he made regarding

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fights was pretty much on the mark, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Yeah, yeah, So essentially you know a guy that spotted
a talent in Joseph Parker before anyone else did.

Speaker 5 (01:05:23):
Yeah, well, no, he did, and he really sort of
backed him and as I said, I think I think
initially that he saw he had a lot of ability,
and he liked the way that he actually presented himself
on the ring and his ring craft he thought was
quite good. So he basically felt that he had a
lot of potential and he backed him for you know,

(01:05:45):
for at least a couple of years financially.

Speaker 4 (01:05:47):
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
Yeah, So in order would it be businessman, politician, boxing
fan mom Jones?

Speaker 5 (01:05:54):
Yeah, absolutely, And I think he gave a lot to
charity of course as well. But as I said, I
met him but at least two property cinemas, and I
found him very informative and he was a guy you
could approach and he was really easy to talk to,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Yeah, on your Tony, thanks for sharing that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
I wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. You would have had a couple of interactions
with Sue Bob Man Yep, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
I've interviewed him in a number of times, and I
had received some correspondence when I'd made grammatical errors in
my articles. But a very interesting, very interesting guy. You're
not going to win a discussion with him. In my
experience when I interviewed him over the years. He didn't
take any nonsense at all, and he'd quickly see through

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what you were trying to do. But you know, we
interviewed him quite a lot when I was down on
Radiohodachi because he was he always had an interesting take
on things, very funny. But he would absolutely berate us
about the music because you know, you'd go over, you know,
he'd be waiting on hold and there'd be a Red
Hot Chilli Peppers song on and immediately just absolutely horrified

(01:07:00):
how bad he thought whatever song was playing was so good.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
I wait. One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call love your memories and thoughts and encounters
with Sue Bob who was sadley passed away at the
age of eighty five. It is nineteen two three.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
A fresh take on took Back. It's Matt Heath and
Taylor Adams afternoons have your say on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty us talk.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Be good afternoons seventeen to three. We're talking about the
legacy of Sir Bob Jones, who has passed away at
the age of eighty five.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
Yeah, and I've been called in to question my list
of what he was in order. I was saying, businessman, politician,
boxing fan, This texas is drinker comes after businessman and
another text sent the letter agreed with that texta and
sent the list and as businessman, drinker, politician, boxing fan, philanthropist, yep,
drinker and then smoker, Oh and then smoker.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Yet fisherman in there as well somewhere as well. Uh, Trevor,
you had a personal encounter with Sir Bob.

Speaker 5 (01:07:55):
Yeah, I did.

Speaker 10 (01:07:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:07:56):
He said that he was well armed for his pipe.

Speaker 5 (01:07:58):
He used to smoke a pipe.

Speaker 19 (01:07:59):
But no, I had a first encountered with Bob was
you know I talked about me in Craine. But I
remember I went to Fix's air conditioner in his office
in one of his high rises of Willington and the
company I worked for back and then you know, there's
a sort of etiquette and how nice and polite you
were to the customer explaining what was wrong on that.
So I checked his ecodition around and I start explained
to him. He says, listen, mate, just fix theF and things.

Speaker 5 (01:08:23):
You know here Hero was.

Speaker 19 (01:08:25):
Trying to do it. But there's another couple of things
that he was well known for. He hated guys. He
hated guys that wore their trousers down by their knees, right,
He just hated. He just hated people for that. And
another thing. He used to have a talkback show on
the radio and Willing I think it was a Sunday
night and one night he was late getting there and
he said he got pulled over by a colt for speeding.

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And you should have heard his spray about the Ministry
of Transport and the number of this officer that pulled
him over was I mean, you just wouldn't get away
with her these days. So and his spray was unbelievable.
And another thing he does upset people. He sacked one
of his guards once, the gardeners once because he had
a big property on the Western Hills and the art there,

(01:09:08):
and the old gardener must have been pissed off, and
he went back and he poisoned all of his trees
and all of the lawns. So he was he was.
He was a real character. And to tell you the truth,
that's the sort of guy person that I enjoyed.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
Yeah, and I mean interesting, you know. He often there
was a certain thing that Bob Jones didn't like and
on in New Zealand flights. He didn't like the safety
videos and he didn't like the safety talk. It used
to absolutely drive him because he thought it was a
logical I believe, because he flew so much he didn't
need to watch and there's that annoying thing that so

(01:09:43):
it doesn't matter if you flow frequently or not, please listen.
And so he wouldn't, and he started putting those headphones
on so he.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Couldn't pioneer because he's so right, isn't.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
He, So he didn't have to listen to them, and
finally they were forcing him to do so I think
that's he brought himself a private jet so he didn't
have to listen to the hed the safety messages, which
I respect.

Speaker 19 (01:10:03):
Yeah, yeah, No, he was a great character that I'll
be really missed because we I ain't got people like
that these days.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
Yeah, thank you so much for your call, Trevor.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Appreciate that there's some great texts coming through guys many
years ago. Living in Wellington, was that a function? So
Bob was a guest speaker out I answered the door
and a young cop asked if Barney was in. Sorry,
I said, he is sleeping. Can you wake him up.
Not really, Why do you want him for? We have
numerous unpaid parking fines, I said, hold on. Came back
with my dog Barney, telling the cop he owns the car.

(01:10:33):
Not knowing what to do, he left. Bob told the
audience he registered many vehicles with animals. Very good, keep
those stories coming through on. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. We'll get Terry in before. We've got to
play some messages. Get I Terry.

Speaker 20 (01:10:48):
Oh hello, Yeah. I met Bob Jones back in nineteen
sixty seven. I was postmaster of Varro's Street post Office
in Wellington and I used to have a drink after
work in a pub on Tanacori Road, and he used
to be in there, oh most nights and having a beer. Anyway,

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I got talking to him. I said what do you do?
And he said, oh, I do up houses and sell
them and I said, ah, he said actually, he said,
I've just broken brunched out and I just I've got
the fishing rights of lake wire Wrapper and I said, well,
how what are you going to do with that? He said, well,
I've just opened a smoke factory and Grove Town and

(01:11:33):
I'm smoking eel and sending it to American and I said, well,
that's interesting. He said, do you want a job? And
I said no, no, you know I'm in the post
office here. He says, oh. He said, oh, you won't
make much there, mate, and he's god, he couldn't have
been more right. Yeah, but that's true. He offered me

(01:11:58):
a job. I don't know what is, probably a bloody
floor sweeper or walker or whatever, but yeah, he had
the fishing all right of Blake war wrapper.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
Well, thanks for you call Terry. This person has text
it through. I used to work for Bob as his pa.
He was a great man, hard but fear. Yeah. Yeah,
I think that's what's coming through a lot now. I'm
a friend of mine that have worked with for a
number of years, was good friends with Bob Jones and
had a number of encounters with him and a number

(01:12:34):
of adventures with him. So I'm quite keen to talk
to him next.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Mister Jeremy Wells, it is eleven to three, The issues
that affect you and a bit of fun along the way.
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News talks'd be it
is nine to three.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
Prominent businessman, author and former politicians. Sir Robert Edward Jones,
better known as Sir Bob Jones, has died five year old.
Died peacefully ads Wellington Homes, surrounded by family after a
brief illness. And a man that's had a quite a
bit to do with Bob Jones over the years is
seven Sharp and Ready Hedecki host Jeremy Wells. Welcome to
the show.

Speaker 4 (01:13:11):
Good Matt Good o' kyler.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
How are you good, jeremyy Gard? So how did you
first get to know Sir.

Speaker 4 (01:13:16):
Bob well Years ago? I was doing a show called
Eating Media Lunch and a lot of it used to
be archive based, and when we'd look at some archives stuff,
Bob Jones featured very, very heavily, particularly through the nineteen
seventies and then into the nineteen eighties, the early to
mid nineteen eighties with the formation of the New Zealand Party,

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and so he was heland large over the New Zealand
political landscape. Fact just open news in landscape as a whole.
So we thought it'd be a great person to reach
out and talk to it. When you did reach out
to Bob Jones, this is the thing you call him
up on his landline at home, and he's always an't
to the phone and he'd have a chat to you,
and he always gave you time. And so I was

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very really lucky that he gave me a bit of
time over the years, and I got to intertraim a
few times and got to go to his house and
all sorts of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
What was he like to spend time I'm worth personally
outside of the public image.

Speaker 4 (01:14:12):
Well, he is incredibly affable and very hospitable. When he
went to his house, I went over there once and
he made lunch for us. Well he didn't make lunch,
but has made lunch for us and he was walking around.
He shared so much of himself. He was a great wreck,
an amazing conversationalist, even if at times it was more

(01:14:35):
of a listening exercise for the other person involved in
the conversation. You were definitely happy to listen because his
stories were second to none. I mean, his Muldoon's stories
were next level. Because of course he was great mates
with Muldoon and then formed the New Zealand Party in
nineteen eighty three because he didn't believe what Muldoon was
doing was right and essentially split the vote and really
changed New Zealand history. I mean, is there a man

(01:14:59):
who's changed New Zealand politics more? I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
It would have been a very different country if Muldoon
had got back. And you've told me a great story
in the past that that's I think it's hilarious. And
you and Sir Bob Jones are smoking cigars and a
TV and Z studio long after that was the considered
an absolute crime.

Speaker 4 (01:15:22):
We set up an interview with him, and we thought
it would be good to do it like a nineteen
seventies interview in black and white, so we created a
set that looked like a nineteen seventies set, and then
we approached TV and Z. Of course strict no smoking
rules of TV and ZED in the studios in the
late nineties early two thousands understandably, but we asked for
an exemption and in a strange tournam events, they allowed

(01:15:44):
us to smoke cigars in the studios. I don't think
that'll ever happen again. So we drank red wine chatted away.
The planned interview was about half an hour long. It
went for an hour and a half because once Bob
started talking, you couldn't stop them, and we ended up
polishing off two bottles of wine. Next thing you know,
he said to me, he goes, Jeremy, I've got to
go and meet Barrymore. So come with me. You're coming

(01:16:06):
with me. We're going to meet Barrymore. I've got to
go to a speech. And the blab I mean, he was,
you know, he's a couple of of the wine deep.
Next thing you know, I'm out. I'm going out to
Barrymore's house with him. He's dragging me around somewhere else.
But that's the kind of guy he was. He as
soon as he kind of sussed you out quite quickly,
and if he decided that he liked you, after that,
there was nothing he didn't share.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
Yeah, I mean, I've heard stories of people banging on
the doors of that studio trying to get in because
even though it was sanctioned that you could be smoking cigars,
only not the whole company was buying.

Speaker 21 (01:16:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:16:39):
Well, once we went to his Wellington office and he
invited us up there for drinks, and so we went
up there and it's a huge office, I mean it
was giant, big drinks cabinet, and poured us a glass
of wine and then I saw I said, I did
you make this had a huge balcony. I said, do
you mind if I go and have a cigarette in
the balcony? Is Nate you must smoke inside? I said no,

(01:17:00):
I'd rather smoke outside of smoking at the time. He
said no, no, no, I insist you have to smoke inside.
So he forced you to smoke and side. He was
very funny as a sad loss and I feel for
his family.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
So, Jeremy, we've had we've had someone text throw and
that news of Bob Jones and has put the man
in order in this fashion. And see if you agree
with that? He said, businessman, drinker, politician, author, boxing fan, drinker, philanthropist, smoker.
Would you agree with that order?

Speaker 4 (01:17:36):
He definitely did all of those things. Tricky, tricky to
know which order to put them in. I think it
sort of depends on how he's feeling at the time.
I think at one stage we went around to his
place and he said, I've given up the bozer. Dog
just told me that's not good for me. And then
by about by about an hour into it, he said,
should be crack into a red So we're having a

(01:17:57):
glass of glass of red wine. But yeah, a really
good guy and one of the one of the last people.
I don't think we'll ever see another personal Bob Jones
and is no doubt about that absolute icon.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Jeremy, thanks for having a yet with us. We'll catch
up again soon. That is Jeremy Wells, who was a
great fan of SD Bob Jones. We're gonna pick this
up again after three o'clock. We want to hear your
memories and stories of Sir Bob Jones, who was sadly
passed away at the age of eighty five. News Sport
and Weather is on its.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
Way talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor
Adams Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
It'd be News Talks, it'd be welcome back into the program,
and we are talking about Sir Bob Jones, who sadly
passed away at the age of eighty five. Your memories,
your thoughts, your interactions with a man who was an
icon in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
Yeah, and we've had some great chats with Barry Soaper
and Jeremy Wells, both good friends of Sir Bob Jones.
And if you miss those, they'll be on Men Tyler
Afternoon's podcast. We can find it iHeartRadio where you get
your podcasts. So I felt both both discussions of Sir
Bob Jones quite touching.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
Absolutely, there's some great texts coming through on nine two
nine two, And if you want to send us a
message with your thoughts about se Bob, you're more than welcome,
but we're keen to hear your stories on our eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty as well.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
I think, like many, my enduring memory of Bob Jones
will be that iconic footage of him smacking that juno
herm bushed him on, ambushed him on a fishing trip. Now,
I think, especially over the past five years, most of
us want to punch a journal or two. So there
you go, guys, you're next. Yeah, thanks for that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
Okay, yeah, we wait for it. I mean that was
incredible footage, though, wasn't it coming off the helicopter. Then
he approaches Bob, and Bob's in the anirak and he
just turns around and slogs him right in the nose.
And then Rod turns to the camera with blood gushing
down his face with a wee wah wah. I think
most people at the time had a lot of sympathy
for Bob punching Rod in the face.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
Yeah, Rod Vaughan. Yeah, I think they made up in
the end.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
And it's interesting before because you know, we had a
caller that rang up and was talking about the mot
officer that gave Bob Jones a speeding ticket on his
way into his radio show, Bob Jones's radio show. The
officer was called It was Ken McLeod, and they ended
up becoming friends after Bob Jones absolutely ripped into him
and gave his number on the radio show, and Bob

(01:20:26):
wrote a lovely obituary when Ken passed. So there you go,
that is lovely.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
Yeah, Phil, you've got a story about Sir Bob.

Speaker 10 (01:20:35):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 21 (01:20:36):
It might be the fishing trip one, but I think
it's possibly a different one. But just before I do,
I was thinking, like, I don't know how to put it,
but I was going to say, what a sort of
nice way to die at home, surrounded by your family
and your own home, you know, if you're going to
go out. Yeah, yeah, I couldn't think of a better,

(01:20:57):
better way. But yeah, like Verry Soper said, because this
story I think was sort of how he was quite
he sounded. I made me think he was quite force right,
and like he saved said, you knew he left you
no doubt what he was talking about, if he had
an opinion a sort of thing. But I heard I
think it was on the TV that I heard him.

(01:21:17):
It was either him being interviewed. I might have been
watching him being interviewed, and at the time he had
got into a bit of strife, and I think it
was Bob Jones, because I think he had gone overseas
and hired out a section of a river on some
wealthy English farm or countryside and somehow got in the
headlines or whatever, you know, and the guy was interview

(01:21:38):
was hitting him up about that, saying, oh he's a
bit extravagant, isn't it. You know, how who do you think?
You know, Yeah, your high this whole river and shut
it off, you know, to no one else, conflesing that
sort of thing. And I can't remember who he said,
but he said back to the interview he said, oh, well,
you know, maybe it is sort of thing, but he
tried to deflect the sort of heat off. And I
suppose he said, and I can't remember who the guy was,

(01:22:00):
It might have been rich White, Fay Rich White or
some big, big mobile guy who owned the media or something.
He said, well, at least it's not as bad as
this Spellow, who I can't remember.

Speaker 5 (01:22:13):
Quite as well as Richway.

Speaker 21 (01:22:14):
He said, well, at least it's not as bad as
this speller rich White will say, who ran out of
petfrell going and his car ran out of petrol going
over the Auckland Bridge. So he just hopped out and
left the car and walked off and and brought another one.

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
I remember that story, was that Ray Widwright that did that?
Because I remember that famous story growing up in Dneed
and that I thought it was we heard this down
in Dunedin that a guy driving a Porsche just ran
out of gasole on the Oakland to have a bridge
and abandoned the car. I didn't know that was Ray Ridgewright.

Speaker 21 (01:22:44):
Well, I'm not one hundred percent sure on that, because
my memory is a bit patchy on the story. If
I always remember him saying like, wow, not as bad
as this guy who was super wealthaid he just ran
out of petrol and just left his car in the
middle of the Auckland Bridge. I went and brought another one.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
Thank you, cawful, thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
Yeah. So the famous incident was when Bob Jones was
fishing near Too Dingy. Yes, when Rod Vaughn rocked up
on a helicopter. And I think that the punch was
primarily for the damage it was doing to Bob Bob's fishing.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
Yeah, according to Barry Soaper, which makes a lot of sense,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Gidde guys. Was Bob Jones ever on the dragons Den?
I think he may have been, but I'm not sure.
Lots of stories. Thanks for your show on him from
Jan Yes, he was on the New Zealand version of
dragons Den.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
Condolences to Sir Bob's family. I briefly went out with
his beautiful daughter, Francis mid eighties. I hope she coped
well with the goodbyes. My dad turned eighty nine years
old today. That's from Steve, so Happy birthday to Steve's dad.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
Absolutely right. We'll get to more of your phone calls
and memories about Sir Bob Jones very shortly. It is
twelve past three, very good afternoons. It is a quarter
past three, and we are hearing stories about Sir Bob Jones,
who has passed away at the age of eighty five. Steve,
you've got a story about sub Bob Okay.

Speaker 22 (01:24:04):
Yeah, it was probably around about thirty five years ago
when I lived in Wellington.

Speaker 23 (01:24:09):
I sold photo copiers and in those days you'd go
up to the stop at top of the high rise
and work your way down And remember going into this
office and and there was a lady at the counter
and I'm sort of saying, oh, I'm just here to
talk to you about your photo copies, and she goes
not interested peaks so I went, Okay, thanks very much.

Speaker 5 (01:24:27):
And from the office I get this is that? Is
that all you got? And I'm like, I sort of
spot and Bob James see Bob Jones walks out and
he goes.

Speaker 4 (01:24:37):
Is that a young fella?

Speaker 5 (01:24:38):
Is that how you're going to give up?

Speaker 22 (01:24:40):
And he goes like, holy shitt on there, And he
sort of gave me this lesson on life about selling
I guess moreso than the house, and gave me a
couple of I guess training modules that I could do.
And yeah, that was just just my experience with him.

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
He was offended by your soft seal. Did that help
you going forward? Were you a more robust sales person
after that.

Speaker 22 (01:25:07):
Actually it did.

Speaker 23 (01:25:08):
I made a career out of selling, so so I
think it was very much talking point.

Speaker 4 (01:25:14):
I think it was quite funny.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
Yeah, for truth and did you manage to sell him
a photocopy of though? No great story?

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
Thanks for sharing that, Steve absolutely, Pete have you Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:25:32):
You know, it's just I give something to his family
and that as well. You know, you're just such a
light sort of a bloke, you know, displaying there a
bit more guys like him out here in your jil David,
he wouldn't be in the mess we are today. He's
a straight shooter and all the spade a spade, and
there's that many people around that who would say what

(01:25:52):
he thinks. And in some way that's not a bad
thing like he did, but you should say it shouldn't
be able to say what you think otherwise, you know,
he's just he's a finder and there's a bit like
another billy to change of sitting people. I got some
of those books and that, seeing like The Property Ladder
and all that. He pretty good books as well, and

(01:26:13):
I think a lot of people can learn from him.
So just read some of his books and his books
are quite yeah, quite knowledgeable, you know, just basic stuff.
But he's a character. I say, when he got when
he when that chopper flew and his fishing, well, that
guy actually deserved a bit of a snack on the
nose here he was fishing. Last thing you expect to
be a topper come around and almost bend on your head.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
You've just got almost got something on the line. And
then some punishing journalist comes in as helicopter. The arty questions, Yeah,
probably deserve to punished.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
The nose too. It was the nose started bleeding immediately.
But you know, good on Rod Vaughan the journalists for
for doing the piece to camera with his nose bleeding.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
Yeah yeah, al TV.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
You know, you know that's kind of the best thing
that could happen to you if you want a story though. Yeah,
you know, used to be a journalist, Tyler. Are you journalists?

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
No, no, no background of journalism, let's say that.

Speaker 4 (01:27:09):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
Now you used to be in parliament talking to people,
didn't you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
Yeah, yeah, and many people wanted to punch me in
the face. Nobody did because it was you know, but but.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
If a politicians punches you in their face, you've got
you've got the best story of the day exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Yeah, we go live Pete. Thanks very much mate. Uh,
you've got time for Ruben Ruben.

Speaker 4 (01:27:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
Also from New Plymouth, big Bob Jones fans. You had
some dealings with them in the eighties.

Speaker 10 (01:27:34):
Hey guys, Hey, this is an inn goat from a
work colleague of mine. I'm not old enough the a
nineteen eighty two and Partmouth and North Bob Jones was
speaker at a real estate conference investing in commercial real
estates and at the particular hotel that they're at. All

(01:27:55):
the crowd wintowners a little last summer and they gave
Bob Jones a end innovation. He takes the lec tune
and he gets here and to sit down and he says, all.

Speaker 6 (01:28:07):
Those got because it's all blokes.

Speaker 10 (01:28:09):
All those guys were sunglasses and can you please Sam
stand up? And he's got about twelve with them. Apparently
they were looked at each other like what does he
want with last week? They don't even thing to say,
and he's like, Greg, your things, there is the door.
You guys will even make it in commercial real estate.

(01:28:30):
Every time I see perfuction of the sunglasses on the
heat on their glassening, don't I always think of that,
Bob Jones, he'd be cool story.

Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
So was that a big thing wearing sunglasses inside, because
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
I don't know, it is kind of a weird thing
to do if you're inside and you've got the glasses
on the top of the head.

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
I don't know, I see the glasses were on the
top of the head.

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
Yeah, taking your sunnies off instead of taking your sunnies
and putting them in your pocket or you know, Oh,
I see I've got them on the top of your head.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
Yeah, no, I get that. It's going to go well.
Twelve people were in his speech wearing their sunglasses.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
On their eyes.

Speaker 4 (01:29:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
Yeah, Look, I've got to say in defensive people that
get caught wearing sunglasses in public on their eyes, some
of them are people like me that we're prescription sunglasses
and can't read the menu at the restaurant without their
sunglasses on.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
All right, exactly a ther Oh, eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. Love your stories about
Sir Bob Jones, who has sadly passed away at the
age of eighty five. It's twenty past.

Speaker 1 (01:29:25):
Three Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
News Talk ZB, and we're talking about your memories of
Sir Bob Jones, who has sadly passed away at the
age of eighty five.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
This from Graham, Hey boys, I is to deliver Sir
Bob's mail for many years as a courier. My best
memory was Bob getting chased down Javoice key in a
in wally heading to his building. He never stopped, drove
into his basement. The cop followed on his bike, so
Bob locked him in, putting the roller door down and
going up to his private office and locking that too.
The cop couldn't radio out from under the building, so

(01:30:03):
it was in there for a while. Love the man,
very straight up and clear, A great guy. He said
what he believed in It's from Graham.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
That is a bold move in a column of Gary.

Speaker 3 (01:30:13):
I mean, I mean that could escalate towards some kind
of police kidnapping situation, you know, and in the cold
light of day and the harsh reality.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
Of the law, Yeah, could have gone sideways, Hi, guys,
great show.

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
Bob was a great writer. His columns were the only
reason I ever paid real money for a copy of
the n ZID Herald rip.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
He had some phenomenal columns. I mean, those columns got
the whole country talking, no doubt about it. Never shake
someone's hand for the first time with sunglasses on. It's rude.
You need to look them in the eye. Okay, slightly
side issue, but thank you very much.

Speaker 11 (01:30:50):
Bill.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
Yeah, Well, I knew someone you know talking about before
about Bob Jones telling the people that had sunglasses on
their head that they would never make it, and property
I sent into a reporter into like it was not
a reporter. He was sent into interview Bob Jones for
this thing we were doing and Bo and the guy
walked in and he was wearing these brown shoes that

(01:31:12):
didn't look right with the suit and basically said, Bob
James just ripped him an absolutely one about how terrible
shoes were.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
That is terrifying. Wally, You worked with Subob.

Speaker 5 (01:31:25):
Well actually on Frontering local TV guy and I used
to work for him. He called up one day and
he couldn't watch his cricket. And that's back in the
days where cricket was on TV one and what had happened.
There'd been a bit of a bust up in the
local Marrie radio station and transmitters were getting carted around

(01:31:48):
the town and they were interfering with TV one, and
I had to explain to him the reason why he
couldn't watch his cricket was because of this local married
radio station, and he went absolutely wold. He was sort
of like rumpel Stiltskin. But anyway, I got the job
fixed for him and he could watch his cricket. Because
it was quite an icon Bob Jones's house. It's still

(01:32:11):
now just known Aso's Bob Jones's house, and where's that
relative to Juno's House? But yeah, it was quite interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
Sorry, I was just going to say quite a beautiful.

Speaker 5 (01:32:22):
House, absolutely, yeah, And it was all done with sort
of vaulted ceilings, but they weren't actually the roofline. There
was a massive cavity above the house and it had
shingled roof like in the American timber shingles. Yeah, it

(01:32:42):
was a beautiful house and had a gardener worked for
him and was immaculate.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
Yeah, and apart from the cricket incident, which was outside
your control, and I'm sure he would have been very
happy with you, Wally when you fixed it. Was he
a good guy to work for.

Speaker 5 (01:32:54):
Harsh but fear he was very, very very good to
work for. And what was interesting was it was in
the days of handwritten invoices and when the invoice came
back I think it was about one hundred and thirty
dollars or something like that, every item he sent it
to another TV crowd in Wellington and double checked that

(01:33:16):
every item was the correct item and was the correct price.
It had been all ticked off and the checker check
it arrived, you know. So that's he always checked that
he nae was fleecing them and they were doing what
they said they did.

Speaker 3 (01:33:33):
Yeah, that's interesting that you hear that with a lot
of wealthy people. That I had a friend who recently
served a billionaire here in New Zealand, right, and that
the billionaire wouldn't payWave. I'm not paying that. I'm not
paying the surcharge.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
He's funny, how stingy some rich people are.

Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
Had to stick it in the machine. I'm not paying
the surch charge.

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
I suppose that's very wealthy rights.

Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
Good day boys don't do much reading, but had to
read one of Sir Bob Jones' books. Loved his quotes.
One sticks in my mind about the annual one and
fifty year floods. That's from John. Yeah, we are getting
a lot of those right now, giving a lot of
weather hype at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
Now, there's been a lot of talk about Rod Vaughan
and that interaction with Bob Jones, so we've found a
little bit of that audio here it is.

Speaker 25 (01:34:21):
Mister Jones is currently staying at his holiday home just
north of Turangi. When we phoned him today we were
told he was out fishing and wouldn't be back until
early this evening, so we charted a helicopter to try
and find him. It was our intention to interview him
about the events over the past few days regarding the
decision of point mucidents for the most popular potical party
in the recess. Mister Jones was a big load features

(01:34:44):
of Big tom Rorero River. As we arrived overhead, he
left the river and we landed on.

Speaker 4 (01:34:49):
The river bank.

Speaker 25 (01:34:51):
Before we could speak to him, mister Jones ran out
of the trees and towards the camera.

Speaker 8 (01:34:56):
Hey, well that's just where we found Off Jones. By
the mans of the river here and this is what

(01:35:18):
they got troubles.

Speaker 11 (01:35:19):
Just what it's made.

Speaker 20 (01:35:22):
The ground.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
What an incredible situation.

Speaker 3 (01:35:27):
Incredible broke Rod Vaughan's nose in this piece of came
that you can't see. I thoroughly recommend you look up
this footage on New Zealand on screen dot com. You
can find it there. He's got blood from above his
eyebrows right down past his chinney. He really got clocked
that that that that Rod Vaughn. But even hell of

(01:35:47):
a story he did.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
But they're footage of Sir Bob jumping out of the
trees and it literally was it was like saysquatch coming
out of the trees, just running it straight at Rod
warn It's incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:35:57):
Well he has the guy's fishing and he's flowing this
helicopter and when you see the footage, he's right over
they're buzzing over the top of bond giants. You can
see why he got angry.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
Yeah, but boy he read well he did get in.

Speaker 3 (01:36:09):
He did get Rod Vaughan in the face, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
He certainly did. You can go and see that footage
as well as New Zealand on screen right. Thank you
very much for all your texts and memories about Sir Bob.
We've got headlines coming up. It is twenty nine past three.

Speaker 12 (01:36:27):
US talks at the headlines with blue bubble taxis It's
no trouble with a blue bubble. Prominent businessman, author and
former politician, Sir Robert Edward Jones, better known as Sir
Bob Jones, has died. The eighty five year old died
peacefully at his Wellington home, surrounded by family after a
brief illness. Some reprieve from the wild weather heading into

(01:36:50):
the weekend, Met Services now lifted all of its heavy
rain warnings. Christ Church and Selwyn remain under a state
of emergency. Talks continue today. In the senior doctor's ongoing
pay dispute, more than five thousand senior doctors walked off
the job around the country yesterday, delays to thousands of
planned procedures. Westpac Bank's been fine more than three million

(01:37:14):
dollars after twenty four thousand people were misled and overcharged
more than six million dollars. The electoral Commissions confirmed Freedom's
New Zealand, the party led by Destiny Churches Brian Parmicky,
has been canceled as a registered political Party at the
party's request, the All Black starting fifteen, Horaza will pick

(01:37:35):
his team and who's vying for spots. You can find
ut at NZ Herald Premium. Back now to Matt Eath
and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, and we've been talking about
Sir Bob Jones, will sadly passed away at the age
of eighty five, and we played a little bit of
the very infamous Rod Vaughan interaction with sub Jones while
he was fishing.

Speaker 3 (01:37:56):
Yeah, that's right, back in nineteen eighty five when Sir
Bob Jones had decided to take a eighteen month recess
that ended up being a complete recess from the New
Zealand Party. But being a z B a person that
was actually there during that incident that we just played,
the audio is on the.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
Phone, John for now celebrated chopper pilots. How are you
good afternoon?

Speaker 3 (01:38:25):
So tell us about this whole situation from your perspective,
were you were flying the chopper that had Rod Vaughan
and the cameraman on board.

Speaker 5 (01:38:36):
That's great. Bob had unbeknownst to me that I'd been
trying to contact or he was Bob in those days
and tur inter viewing, and he just really wanted up
at a piece and quiet and get away from the media.
He had achieved commencing what he had done with that party.

(01:38:58):
It commits what he wanted to achieve, and he was
treated treated to the Tongra River to enjoy a bit
of quiet fishing. And we pretty readily interrupt, did they?

Speaker 3 (01:39:11):
Yeah, because when you look at the footage, it looks
like you flew over the top of him first with
the cameraman filming before you landed to let the Rod
Vaughn and the cameraman out. Is that correct, John, Yeah,
that's correct.

Speaker 5 (01:39:26):
We had to find him first. They somehow knew that
he was on the river, and I assume from that
that that had been pre arranged. But it was a
bit of a surprise later when it obviously hadn't been
pre arranged when the urgent drop place when they tried
to interview him. That was a less welcoming for the

(01:39:47):
TV crew.

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
I bet. And so where were you, John? Were you
and the and the chopper when Sir Bob launches out
of the bushes and runs straight at Rod Vaughn.

Speaker 5 (01:39:59):
Correct? I was carrying in the helicopter keeping the east
and running getting ready to take off and leave the
scene as quickly as I could. I did from one
moment when I first started, I thought, well, you can't
do that. I need to stop that. But he was
even though he was stressed up and all his fishing
gear and parkers, he effects right born pretty quickly and

(01:40:22):
then attempted to snatch the camera off the cameraman and
I assume the attempt to throd in the river, but
the cameraman held onto that quite firmly, and I was
trying to get them in the helicopter and get out
of there, because by that time I was aware of
that we weren't welcome and it wasn't going to be

(01:40:42):
good for anyone involved. And of course it subsequently ended
up and charges of assault and all sorts of nonsense
going on, and I was interviewed several times by the
police to be pretty careful what I said and did.

Speaker 3 (01:40:58):
Yeah, and hadly your fault. You've just been you've just
been hired to fly the helicopter, and so right Bourne,
there's that kind of footage that that we were just
We just played the audio of it, but people can
see the the video of it at New Zealand on screen.
But there's the iconic footage of Rod Vaughan just bleeding
from above his eyebrows, right through his nose, right down
to his below his chin, so he got absolutely clocked.

(01:41:21):
Was that footage filmed where you were or did you
get into the helicopter? Did they you know, everyone get
into the helicopter and you flew off somewhere rouse to
film that that that piece to camera.

Speaker 5 (01:41:33):
Bob administered the justices he saw it and retreated back
into the bush and Iris trying to convince Ride and
the camera and to climb on board and get it there.
But right wasn't going to have a barrow that he
wanted to get us.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
But to go to air at night, I be.

Speaker 5 (01:41:50):
That happened right at the scene, and that's why you
can hear the engine running in the background, because I
wasn't prepared to shut it down so they could get
I was more interested in getting down there, but I
didn't want to abandon the TV one crew.

Speaker 3 (01:42:08):
It's a long walk on It's like Vietnam, no man
left behind. You were just going to get out of there.
Was there any John, Was there any chat from from
Rod Vaughner The cameraman. But while you're flying and concerned
that that buzzing and guy fishing a helicopter might be
might be a step too far, might be a bit
of an invasion of his privacy.

Speaker 5 (01:42:28):
Well, damas lead to malay. They said that spoken to
his wife, and IRIS assumed that a prival have been
granted because you really just can't or probably shouldn't go
and harass someone trying to seek a bit of quiet
fishing in a backwater of the Tongara River and just

(01:42:49):
laying not and ounce on them. And I assumed that
he would have been welcoming. I see, of course, a
real surprise when we had the opposite type of welcoming,
you know, because being a pretty active man and a
former boxer, he was taking no personal He meant.

Speaker 3 (01:43:09):
Yeah, well, did you did you work with Rod Vaughan
again in the future and episode? Did you did you
question a bit more thoroughly where you were going?

Speaker 5 (01:43:20):
I saw right a number of times I was somewhat
reluctant to too too much filming. It was my early
days of operating the helicopter on my own, and you know,
there's quite expensive costs. We're involved trying to defeat my
position because civil.

Speaker 11 (01:43:37):
Aviation we're wanting to, yeah right.

Speaker 5 (01:43:40):
Prosecute me, and so I had to be pretty caref
I meansally actually ended up being a witness for Sir
Bob Right and his charge of assault.

Speaker 3 (01:43:51):
So are you you were brought in by the defense, correct?

Speaker 4 (01:43:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
Yeah, Well, thank you so much for sharing your story
with us. John really really appreciated, and you know, I'm
pretty amazing to be there for such an iconic moment
in New Zealand history.

Speaker 5 (01:44:09):
Yeah, the thrills and.

Speaker 2 (01:44:12):
Exactly, John, thank you very much for in a chat
with us. That is, of course John for Now one
of New Zealand's best know on and longest serving helicopter pilots,
who was the chopper pilot during the infamous infamous Rod
Vaughan versus Sue Bob incident. By the way, they did
make up later in life. It's fair to say Rod
Vaughan and Sue Bob, which says a lot about both men.

Speaker 3 (01:44:33):
I think, yeah, absolutely, and make sure you check it
out in New Zealand on screen dot Com. I find
it very musically.

Speaker 2 (01:44:39):
Yeah, it is an incredible footage icon It is twenty
to fourback very shortly here on news talks.

Speaker 4 (01:44:47):
He'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:44:48):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons used
Talks'd be good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
We're getting in some great stories and memories about Sir
Bob Jones, who was sadly passed away at the age
of eighty five, surrounded by his family at his home
in Wellington.

Speaker 3 (01:45:06):
We've had a lot about that. That story, the punching
of Rod Vaughan by Sir Bob Well, he was fishing
near Too Dongy, And we now know the pilot, the
helicopter pilot, and we know the reporter. But does as
this Texas says, Brian, does anyone know the camera man's
name from that story. That's the only person we don't
know from that story.

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
I've got it in front of me. His name was
Peter Mayo.

Speaker 3 (01:45:26):
Peter Mayo.

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
Peter Mayo was the camera man who got a bit
of a swing as well, apparently just not camera. Some
great texts coming through. We'll get to a few of
those in a minute. But Jeremy, you used to fish
with su Bob.

Speaker 6 (01:45:40):
Yes, Well, good afternoon everybody and listeners, etc. I was
had the pleasure of meeting Robert Jones and Too Ringy
and the company of my father I pen Rice years ago,
who was the bank manager at why Ca and I

(01:46:01):
but also at tie Happy. So then the congregation of
those men around those situations would meet at Too Ranging
and then of course Sabob would commander Major Jones Paul.
But there are the other men fishing, et cetera. And
then those men were notable men and very good men
on the fly at four am in the morning and

(01:46:24):
then quite perilous conditions, et cetera. And then watching all
of those sorts of things and then having some mild
discussions with those guys.

Speaker 4 (01:46:34):
They got on very very well.

Speaker 6 (01:46:36):
And of course there was lots of cigarette smoking et cetera,
because he was you know, he was a smoke and
so was my father, et cetera. And you know, they
could be walking the waterways, et cetera, and then you know,
occasional courts. But you were dead right in the summary
that you've given previously, he was a very private man, etcetera.

(01:47:00):
But then I know from being the son of a
bank manager et cetera, and then having the acquaintance et cetera,
and sitting on the outside that he was a very
he was a very generous and kind and empathetic person
and was much respected and helped many of the people
in the community in to any et cetera. And then

(01:47:21):
had quite great respects. And then of course, you know
it was a great boxer and those sorts of things.
So and then we've heard the other stories. There's no
need to go into that. But then the interesting thing
is several years ago or some years ago, when he
ventured into the building of the building in Wellington which
he wanted to do in all timber, I managed to

(01:47:44):
talk and discuss that with them, et cetera, because he
actually built the Robert Jonestown Auckland, et cetera. And that
was a building that I was involved with the control
systems company that I was working for. And then so
I got into discussions with him with this building in Wellington.
I think he was slightly frustrated around you planning laws
and trastic so far and things, and then it couldn't

(01:48:06):
really be achieved when the time, you know, I discussed
with him as interest in building you know, very very
important structures and a very confined and restricted space. And
then he was a very brilliant man. He's actually a
brilliant architect and work with architects and things, and so

(01:48:29):
then I think that, you know, he had great respect.
And then particularly with other people as well that were
around in that area. There was another chap called Bob Jones,
who was famous, et cetera, master mariner that drove there
her across the straight, et cetera, under circumstances which were

(01:48:51):
you know, have been in the media and whatever. So
then all of those men, all of those men would
congregate for a you know, for you for drinks at
the end of it. And then my father always liked
to have a little drink, et cetera, but he actually
liked to have his dinner and a Geordy boy. But
then mister Jones would say, you were just hang on

(01:49:11):
and just you know, we're just gonna we're just going
to punish this conversation and then you can you then
you can have you with much much for bolity and unpal.

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
Sounds like it. Yeah, Jeremy, great stories. Thank you very much,
and thank you to everyone who phoned and called on
sir Bob some great stories and who was a very
much an icon of New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:49:32):
Yeah, of course, on the Matta Tylis afternoons on zb
almost saved yourself. We always have the New Zealand of
the Week on a Friday. But before we start Today's
New Zealand of the Week, we have our first in
memori am section, as Sir Bob Jones passed away at
eighty five, surrounded by family after a short illness. So

(01:49:53):
Sir Bob Jones, businessman, politician, boxing fan, fisherman, speaker, philanthropist, smoker, drinker,
great writer, thinker and author. They're great. The term great
New Zealander is bandied about a lot these days, but
Sir Bob Jones was undoubtedly one of a kind. We'll
never get another, Sir Bob, So the truly great New Zealander,
Rip beautifully said. It is twelve two four every Friday

(01:50:17):
on Matt and Tyler afternoons on ZIBB we name the
New Zealander of the Week in honor that we bestow
on your behalf to a newsmaker who has had an
outsized effect on our great and beautiful little nation. As always,
there will be three nominees, but only one winner. And remember,
like the Time magazine and the Kiwibank yearly humiliators. The
ZBVOS New Zealand of the Week isn't always an agent

(01:50:38):
of good. Sometimes the nominees are awesome often awful, So,
without further adue, the nominees for Matt and Tyler Afternoons
New Zealand of the Week are nominee one also gets
the Self Belief against the Odds Award. Her city is
a mess, she is the lowest approval rating of any
mayor ever, and she's the only person in New Zealand
who could make Andrew Little seem like an exciting option.

(01:50:59):
But one person thinks she's amazing, and that is herself.
In fact, this week, Mia torri Fano has given her
performance an impressive nine out of ten. For celebrating yourself
with a nine when everyone else thinks you're a negative five,
Tory Fano, you are nominated.

Speaker 2 (01:51:15):
For New Zealander of the Week.

Speaker 3 (01:51:21):
If Onny your competence matched your confidence, you could really
achieve great things. Norminy too gets the Media beat up
on a good old fashioned beat up award. There's a
combat sport coming in which a runner and attacker collde
on a twenty meter battlefield and no surprises. The chicken
lickens are coming out of the woodwork to panic harden

(01:51:42):
up New Zealand. Thousands of people already straightened the attack on
rugby grounds nationwide every weekend. Some have called it the
dumber sport. Ever, real Kewis have been doing this kind
of thing safely forever. So I take it up the guts,
run at Championship League your legends. You have been nominated
for New Zealander of the Week.

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
Yes, world ah.

Speaker 3 (01:52:02):
Say it up there, run it straight all right, but
there can be only one winner, woo, and the winner
also gets the never Gonna Happen Mate Award. For the
first time in a century, Cackapool have been heard booming
on the North Island's mainland. Booming is a mating ritual

(01:52:22):
in which the male bird sits in a hole and
makes a low frequency sound, hoping to attract a mate. Amusingly,
there are no females at the Manga Tutari Sanctury, so
good luck getting any action. Boys forgetting going to go
with the ladies with no hope of success, like so
many of us Kiwi males before you. Mainland booming krkapaw
you are the Matt and Tyler. Afternoons, New Zealanders of

(01:52:46):
the wee. Those of us who grew up in rural
New Zealand communities know exactly what those carcapol are going through.
Tough out there, just booming away and a hole hoping
a lady will turn up. Actually, a lot of us
experience that in our own homes, even when we have
a lady, there's booming away hoping for some attention. Congratulations

(01:53:11):
him my taste of kew we God bless in God's feeds.

Speaker 2 (01:53:16):
Boom boom boom, any ladies, anyone can.

Speaker 1 (01:53:23):
Mad and Tyler Adams the big stories, the big issues,
the big trends, and everything in between. Matt Heath and
Tyler Adams afternoons used talk ZEDB News talk z EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:53:37):
That is about us for today. Thank you very much
for all your memories and phone calls and messages about us,
Sir Bob Jones, it was something we weren't expecting to
do on today's show. Obviously an icon, very sad, but
some incredible stories.

Speaker 3 (01:53:52):
Yeah, I thoroughly enjoyed my dealings with Bob Jones over
the years. A very strong personality, very cheeky, very funny,
very smart and look I'm just looking at this picture here,
which is ZB host laid Bob Jones on in a
TV drummer?

Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
Oh who is See's one of the hosts.

Speaker 3 (01:54:15):
Yeah, okay, I'll put you out he misery. I'm just
looking at a picture of a very handsome Tim Beverage.

Speaker 2 (01:54:22):
He would have played a great super Bowl fantastic. Hey,
thank you to everybody for this week. We will do
it all again next week.

Speaker 3 (01:54:30):
Yeah, thanks so much for listening to you, great New Zealanders.
A complete Matt and Tyler Affnoons pod will be out
in about half an hour on iHeartRadio. We've got some
couple of great chats with Barry Soper and Jeremy Wells
reminiscing on Bob Jones. The Great and Powerful Heather Duplessy
Eleanor is up next until Monday. Wherever you are, whatever
you're doing, have a great weekend and give him a

(01:54:51):
taste of Kewy from.

Speaker 14 (01:54:52):
Us last.

Speaker 26 (01:55:20):
At a nun Power.

Speaker 1 (01:56:11):
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