Full Show Podcast: 03 December 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you green, you said, as Welcome to Matt and
Tyler Full Show podcast number two five six who for Wednesday,
the third of December. We said, we didn't actually say
what we're going to talk about on the show today.
We only really mentioned. No, I think we did. We
said we were going to talk about this, and we
were all going to talk about zero ol cool.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
That's right. We gave a mini preview and then healthy bread.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yeah, that's right, So we didn't do those. We didn't
go now cold bread. We had the most in depth
philosophical discussion about positive narratives versus negative narratives in this country,
and we had so many great calls and I feel
rinsed by it. Yep, but I think it was a
good thing to do.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
But a pushback as well, which made it pee pretty spicy.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
I'll need security to get home that level of positive
b blessing out the level of positive who we did
over the last three hours.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Basically, we'll need security. Yeah, ween happy makes people angry.
We need this weird reason.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
We'll need the diplomatic services.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
But it was a great show, so download some scribe
and give us a review and give me a taste.
All right, then, I love you big stories, the.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Leak issues, the big trends and everything in between. Matt
Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Said, be good a to you, Welcome into Wednesday show.
Really good to have you listening in as always. Hope
you're doing pretty well this afternoon. Get a Matt, get a, Tyler,
get everyone. Thanks for tuning in. Now I've got something
you might be interested in. Mate. I ran into a
man you know pretty well, Clint Roberts from down at ZDM.
He's good man. The other yeah, Brian Clint on ZDM Afternoons.

(01:44):
But I ran into me and he said, hey, I
just want to show you something that Heath might be
interested in. Because he's got a deep, deep addiction to Instagram.
He can't stay off it, so he's tried to sort
himself out. So he opened up his little phone and
everything is black and white.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Yes, So he said, I've gone full noise CPO tone
because I'm hoping this might help me break my Wii
addiction on Instagram. And he does love the Grand The.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Guy cpatone or black and white? Is there a different
we'll seep your tones that Yeldie Brownie photo log.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, I think it's just straight up black and white.
I did this for a while and it does.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
The logic of it is it makes your phone just
because a lot of the reason why we're addicted to
phones is the beeps and the vibrations and the bright lights.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yeah, the same way.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Pokey's work, right, yep. So that draws us in. So
if you look down at your phone and it's just
sort of a depressing sort of black and white feel,
we're not depressing, but just it's not it's not glaring,
it's not lit up like a Christmas tree. It does
make it one of the rewards you get looking at
the phone. And that's how simple we are. You know,
We're evolved to steer into flickering lights, yep, because it

(02:46):
was safe to be around the fire. So we keep
trying to look into flickering lights. It's a lot of
the reason why we watch some Netflix you know so
much Neon.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
It makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
We want the flickering lights. Yeah, it's the less important
than the content. So if you make the phone black
and white. That's one of our reward centers that doesn't
get sparked off by looking at it. So it's a
very smart and being proved plant.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
It makes a lot of sceense. I don't think it
week for Clint though, because as I was talking to him,
he was about to post a picture and what he
see it is I don't know whether this is a
good picture or not because it's in black and white.
So Clint, you're still posting, man, He said, yeah, I've
got to do it. I've got to keep the people happy.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Well, he's very good at social media, is that Clint?

Speaker 5 (03:24):
He is.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
He's very good.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
He's very good at it, and you know he operates
in the world where he has. It's say, like you
and I, Tyler, if we wanted to not follow the
news because it was getting us down, we'd be in
the wrong job.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah, very true.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Being drive on Zidium, not being on social media, wrong job.
He's going to have to be on it a lot
of this time.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Good luck with their Clint off your listening man, right
to today's show after three o'clock. This is a story
that has been on the top charts of the hero
for a couple of days. Now, what is the healthiest
breed you can buy at the supermarket? Like, in all honesty,
I saw when I saw it pop up and it
went straight to the top of the website, which means
a lot of people are reading it. And then it

(04:05):
was there again today. This is this is big story
for people. Healthy bread and what can you trust? And
what happened to the days of just buying the white death?

Speaker 4 (04:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Well yeah, I mean, is it healthy to spend that
much on healthy bread? My partner came home with the
slough of bread the other day that she bought from
these great people. I think they're called the Daily Bread
or something.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
That broat the bread.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
But it was so the bread that they baked this
place was so hard. It was like a block of gold.
It's like block of lead. Yeah, and that's a new thing,
to just have the hardest, most dense bread in the
entire world.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
What do you even do with it, that sort of bread?

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, you have to get a chainsaw out to cut it.
You smear some butter on it, put some have a
card on it. I don't know what you do with it. Yeah,
you know, I tried to lift it up, and I
was worried about breaking a toe dropping it. So I
moved on and got the white death out of it.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
It's the safety, hasn't Yeah, But looking forward to that
chat after three o'clock. After two o'clock you may have
heard this interview on with Mike this morning. But it's
a success story that keeps on rolling for Kiwi company.
Eight IF drinks that means alcohol free. So the brand
has just secured nationwide distribution in the UK with supermarket
giant Morrison's. It follows on from the US expansion with

(05:12):
them now stocked in over four thousand stores including Target,
Walmart and Sprouts. So a huge, huge thing for that
Kiwi company. But it is a massive thing overall non
alcoholic drinks.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, it's amazes me that it's taken off. Whenever I
heard about it, I always thought it's some kind of
I know, lost leader or something, or you know, you know,
you're an alcohol company, so you put that out there
just so you can seem like you're trying to do
something good. Yeah, but it's really really taken off, hasn't
It has? And good on this company for doing so
well and getting around the world. But are you on

(05:46):
the non alcoholic drinks? Would love to hear from you
and why because for me, if I'm not drinking alcohol,
then I'm going to drink I don't know, something like
a smoothie. I don't know, like a delicious milkshake.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Right, so you go for taste rather than having some
sort of beer knockoff that doesn't have any alco in it. Interesting.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, although there is the circumstance when I will and
I'll talk about that.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
I've got a theory on this.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
I've got a theory on what HOSPO, how HOSPO need
to be educated around non alcoholic drinks.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Later on we'll share that that is going to be
good after two o'clock. But right now, let's have a
chat about negativity and whether we should be boosting ourselves up.
So this is after an opinion piece written by a
man called Rupert Hodson. He's the executive director of the
Committee for Auckland. So here's how it starts. Auckland's story
matters not just for those who call it home, but
to the prosperity of all New Zealands. It is home

(06:38):
to a third of New Zealand's people, of course, and
generating almost forty percent of national gross domestic products, yet
too often the headlines tell a story of decline, crime, congestion,
stored infrastructure, and rising costs. That narrative matters, he says,
It shapes how we see ourselves, how the world sees us.
When negativity dominates, it chips away at our confidence, investment, appetite,
in civic pride.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah, it's very easy to be negative, isn't It takes
no effort all to see something and just run it down.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yep. And I think that's what.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
We're doing with Auckland, we're doing with a lot of
I think we're doing with our entire country. But there's
different ways you can there's different narratives you can have. Right, So,
I know two people in this world. I know, I
know a lot more than two people in the world,
but there's two particular people I know in this world.
And they were youngest children and nice, happy families, but
they were the last children. So they were left at
home by big families that went out into the world,

(07:26):
and they were left at home and both were sent
off to boarding school.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Right right, yep.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
And one of them tells the story that they always
feel left out and alone and have abandonment problems for
their whole life because of that, and the other one
celebrates it and sees all the time. That's why she's
so independent, because she went out into the she you know,
she was owned by herself, and then she went off
to boarding school and she had to do all these things,

(07:50):
and that's why she's independent. There's two of there's the
two exact same scenarios, but two different stories, two different narratives.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Such a mindset thing.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
So if our narrative is always let's take Auckland for example,
always that that Auckland is terrible, and you know all
the usual, all the usual complaints that people have. It's
too expensive, traffic's unbearable, there's no parking, crime everywhere, rates
keep going, counseled is rubbish. I don't know, it's lost

(08:21):
its soul. People will say that it used to be
better at another point lost its soul.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Queen Street sucks.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Public transport isn't good enough. Whether it's rubbish.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
You know, it's a blatant light. Weather ups here is fantastic.
Maybe not today it looks like it's the middle of
the night out there, it's about to hit the fan.
But generally the weather ups here is fantastic.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yes, so you can tell whatever narrative you want about
your country. But I think in nearly every metric it's
pretty awesome to be in New Zealand. But it's just like,
you know, you've all got those friends that are cynical,
that hate everything. Every movie they go to, they hate
everything they see on TV, they hate every restaurant you go.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
It's called.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Chronic dissatisfaction syndrome. I think as a nation we've got that.
We're looking around. Here's an example. Imagine if there was
a free lunch pro were all kids in the country.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
We're all getting free lunches, right.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, I can picture that, and then one school gets
a few moldy lunches, right, yep, so just a few.
So the vast majority of everything's fine, but there's a
few moldy lunches, gotcha, and everyone makes a play out
of that instead of looking at the overall situation, which
is that a whole lot of.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Kids getting free lunches.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
That's just an example of how you can focus in
on something negative and then try and make the whole
thing negative out of it.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Yeah, it's nice analogy. It's very good and very apt
as well, very topical. Oh eight one hundred eighty two
and eighty is the number to call. How do we
start to turn this around? You know, what are some
of the you know, the phrases we should be using
when to describe places like Auckland or christ Church or
Wellington or Todung or Duneeden or Nelson to actually pump
up our tires. I mean, how would you describe where

(09:56):
you live to someone overseas? Hopefully you wouldn't run it
down and he actually boosted up and say nice things.
Love to hear your thoughts. I eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighty. This negativity bias that we seem to
have at the moment, how do we pull ourselves away
from that? Nineteen to is the text as well. Come
on through. We will be back very shortly, but taking
your calls. It is a quarter past one.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
This Texas says, I hate this topic. Move on, see
that's what we're.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Talking about straight away? Yeah yeah, Exhibit A where is this?

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Person says? Great topic? Thanks for bringing this up.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
People. Which narrative do you want in the world?

Speaker 4 (10:28):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Come on through? Sixteen past one.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
talks that'd.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Be very good afternoon chire. It is eighteen past one,
so we're talking about negativity in this country at the moment.
On the back of an opinion piece in the Herald
written by Rupert Hodson. He's the executive executive director excuse
me for the Committee of Auckland. But he makes a
good point that too often the headlines tell a story
of decline, crime, congestions, stalled infrastructure, YadA, YadA, YadA. So

(11:01):
how do we actually turn that story around? And should
we be pumping up our tires of our cities like
Auckland willing to christ Toto on the town that you
live in. Yeah, I was listening to this.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
I watched this documentary the other day from Auckland in
nineteen sixty seven. It's a really good documentary. You can
see it in the New Zealand Archives, look it up
on YouTube. It's just interesting seeing what Auckland was back then,
and it was such a vibrant city looking forward to
the future. That people could see the struggles that Auckland
was having, but they were excited about everything and excited

(11:32):
to put the effort in to make the place better.
So I've sort of randomly grabbed a piece of audio
from this thirty minute documentary.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Listen to this.

Speaker 6 (11:43):
Most Aucklanders are intensely proud of their city. It's modern,
the man, it is, it's climate, it's continual struggle to
be in vogue with overseas trends, and it's frenetic grid.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
And that's so when they summed up Auckland in ninety
sixty seven, most Aucklanders are intensely proud of this city.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
It's the same.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
But then you get these this is the exact kind
of person I'm talking about. This text is this the
sea is full of homeless people, rubbish infrastructure, low wages.
The list goes on, why hyper place when on reality
it's turning? But is it or is that the narrative
you're telling? I mean, couldn't you turn that narrative around exactly?

(12:23):
But I mean, like, how often does any of that
stuff actually affect you?

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (12:26):
I mean I don't live that close to work anymore,
move to a new place. It is the traffic really
that bad on a global stal scale that you're going
to spend so much of your life complaining about it.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
I mean, go to la exactly, go to Mumbai, yeah,
anywhere else but Auckland. Really any major city of the
same size and you talk about traffic, then you'll be winging.
I mean you're already winging to be honest.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
And you know it's one of the most livable cities
in the world.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
It keeps coming up.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
People need to travel more and see how bad it
is in other places.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that
number to call, James, welcome to show.

Speaker 7 (12:59):
Yeah, yes, there is no hiding the truth.

Speaker 8 (13:03):
It's terrible.

Speaker 7 (13:06):
Grown up in Northland and the stephanies and eighties, it
was fantastic and then just continual you know, years that
have gone since, we're certain a deterioration of their one
s Green.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
What what's the terrible thing that's happened to you so
far today, James, terrible.

Speaker 7 (13:22):
Thing that's happened to me today? No, No, I'm positive
outlook and enjoy living and working. But you know, we
just enjoy coming into town.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
But the crime that.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
The crime in central Aukland now is much lower than
it was in the nineteen eighties. It was an absolute
disaster in the central city. I mean people used to
be scared to walk around the streets in Auckland for
getting rolled for their shoes.

Speaker 7 (13:48):
But the roading that you know, with all these stupid
speed limits and lanes and no parking, that killed retail, you.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Know, not the they haven't killed retail. I mean this morning,
this morning, I visited three different stores that were all
going incredibly well in my in my neighborhood. I mean,
some retailer is struggling, but I can just walk down
the street in my suburb and go to all different
kinds of really interesting stores and cafes.

Speaker 7 (14:18):
You're a recent Auckland, so you're an import.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Oh he's been here twenty years, Yeah, twenty years. Yeah,
I'm a recent one though, James, And I've got to say, look,
I mean, it's just I don't know if it's a
bit of band or sometimes it goes too far. But
a lot is said of Auckland from other parts of
the country, particularly christ Church where I'm from, and it
feels like sometimes Auckland's a punching bag. But you hear

(14:42):
all these things, and now I've been up here a year.
This is an incredibly beautiful city and very good people
in most parts of Auckland. And anytime that I hear
now people bagging Auckland, I just think, what's wrong with you?
You've got to come up here. The weather's fantastic, You've
got beaches, a stones, troll way, it's a you know,
it's it's right by the ocean. You've got amazing parks,
it's green, it's a doggy heaven. I just can keep

(15:04):
going on and on. It is a really nice city.
And I don't understand people who who want to have
a crack at at to say Auckland's some sort of shit.

Speaker 5 (15:12):
Oh it's not.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
It's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
I mean, I walked my dog yesterday and I was
looking out across the city with all the green and
this is free, absolutely free to walk your dog. People
talk about the price of everything, absolutely free to walk
your dog in the free parks and the beautiful mongers
that we've got over this whole city.

Speaker 9 (15:27):
Right.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yep, I was walking out there. I was looking around,
going I cannot believe I'm so lucky to live in
a city this incredibly beautiful.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
And that this park is just here for me to
walk with my dog. Yep, I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
But people are like, it's absolutely terrible here. It's absolutely
horrible because there's some homeless people fighting around at some point.
I mean, how often do they actually affect you? I
mean preferably and absolutely. If you're running trying to run
a business in the CBD and there's a bunch of
people causing problems outside of your shop, it's not ideal.

(15:59):
But it's just like the Maldi lunch thing. There's a
couple of Maldi lunches, so the whole thing's a disaster.

Speaker 10 (16:04):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Nicely said, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten and eighty.
Love to you your thoughts though, do we need to
get out of our head are we just getting into
this negativity bias? And do we need to actually pump
ourselves up a little bit? Love to hear from you.
It is twenty four past one.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic Hosking
breakfast doings.

Speaker 11 (16:23):
Starting to move in the international student market. Rollments set
at over eighty three and a half thousand students. That's
a fourteen percent increase. Amanda marlou Is the Chief Executive
of Education New Zealand and as well usiness.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
They're more demand than the respace I.

Speaker 12 (16:34):
Wouldn't say that we're at that sort of full capacity.
Yet there's definitely room to grow, certainly in some parts
of the sector more than others. So universities have got
higher enrollments than they've ever had so certainly have to
pass pre COVID levels, which is great. And the private
training sector grew thirty three percent in this period that
we've measured recently, so those are really great numbers.

Speaker 11 (16:54):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Maybe's Real Estate News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
Twenty seven past one. Are we too negative in this country?

Speaker 2 (17:03):
The Texas says there's nothing more annoying than some relentlessly
positive elitist twat waffling on about how others should think
ignoring their privileged position in society that makes everything easier. Now,
I think there's something worse than that. There's nothing worse
than apathetic misery, guts trying to make their life meaningful
for pretending they've got hardships that are worse than other people's.
Compare yourself to ninety percent of the other people on

(17:25):
the planet. You are in a privileged position, Texter, You
are in a very privileged position, But you're one of
these people that's always comparing to yourself, to people in
a better position than you, that's going to floor. And
you know, comparison is the thief for joy. Maybe I
am an elitist sweat waffling on, but why don't you
compare to yourself with the person that's got no legs,

(17:46):
that's living in a dump and Mumbai, and then maybe
feel a bit better about your life.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
If you live in this country, you've won the lottery
of life, no doubt about it.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
You're just trying to make yourself seem important and meaningful
because your struggle is so bad. Come on, you've got
it good. Yeah, shut up, Robin, how are you?

Speaker 13 (18:05):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (18:05):
I am really really enjoying. I'm very great grateful to
the top of that you have raised because we have
become we've become moments everybody's moaning about something and I
look here, and there's so many things we can do
in free, for free in New Zealand. We can walk
on beaches, we can walk on parks, we can walk
on tracks. As you said, we don't walk shoulder to

(18:27):
shoulder as we walk along the road. Yeah, you can
have a vegetable garden if you want to.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Yeah, yeah, well this goes on and yet yeah, preaching
to the converted. I think Robin certainly with me anyway.
I love this city and I've only been here a year.
But but why do you think it seeps in? Is
this just a key we thing that misery likes company
And you know, we like to call ourselves humble, but
in reality, maybe that humbleness means that we shoot down
anybody who does anything good and positive.

Speaker 14 (18:58):
I grew up just.

Speaker 15 (18:59):
After the war when we had when when there were
rations to buy things, and then I also grew up
when if you wanted to take money out of New
Zealand you had to apply to the government to get
money out of New Zealand, and when you wanted to
bring anything, you never had anything that was off season.
Now we're grizzled about everything, and everybody's got rights. Back then,

(19:21):
we didn't look at everybody having rights, We didn't look
at any differences. We just got on and enjoyed each other.
But now everybody has their rights, and I think when
you demand your rights, you stand on the rights of
somebody else. And we've got so busy demanding what is
our right? No food like that, then we're standing on

(19:43):
the rights for so many other people.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Thank you for your call, Robert. It's an interesting thing,
isn't it the whole?

Speaker 3 (19:50):
I guess.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
I think a lot of it to do is social media,
and that you get more play from winging. Yep, you're
just just winging, and saying everything is rubbish gets more
more of a reaction than just And also people don't
go around saying things are good. No, no one jumps
on social media. I mean, what's the biggest cesspit, and
so social media because it's read it now ye are

(20:14):
New Zealand probably out there. Yep, that's just the most
winging thing. I mean that's replaced the letters to the
editor and newspapers.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Just people winging.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
And of course there's so much more reaction to winging,
so you're insensivized to winge and so people people wings
and then people start to start to believe the narrative.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
Yeah, I think there's a lot of truth to me.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Look at this, I said, you know, it's free to
walk your dog in the dog park.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
This absolute miserable human. It's not free. You pay for
dog registration. It's not free. You have to pay for
the dog registration. I think we've tapped into something. Can
I mean these teaks are proven the point there's something
wrong with us.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Just get a soft toy, put it on a lead
and drag that up the many dog parks that are
available to you in this country.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
And look at the view and then you won't have
to pay your dog registration. Oh eight hundred eighty eighty
is that number to call? We got the headlines with
Rayling coming up, But keen you get your thoughts? Are
we too negative in this country? That was pretty negative
of me? Or that guy wasn't it? Well, it's negative
inception almost it is what he had to do.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
Jus talks a'd be headlines.

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(22:06):
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at christ Church's Tikaha Stadium in May. The concert's part
of the seventy million dollar Major Events package, which also
includes Lincoln Park in Auckland and Ultra Music Festival in Wellington.

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Speaker 2 (22:34):
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Speaker 16 (22:36):
Now back to Matteathan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 6 (22:40):
Most Aucklanders are intensely proud of their city. It's modern,
the melodies, it's climate, it's continual struggle to be in
vogue with overseas trends and its frenetic growth.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Love gay.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Would you say that most Aucklanders are proud of this
city now? Would you say that most New Zealanders are
proud to be Kiwis Now? I'm very proud of to
live in Auckland. I feel very very lucky to be here.
I feel very very lucky.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
To be in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
I feel very very lucky to have grown up in
beautiful Dunedin. I think to better at hyping itself up
than nearly out of the city. When I was growing up,
I just was always told that Dunedin was fantastic. I
even thought that the weather was amazing. I thought that
it had twenty in the summer. That you won the lottery,
I thought that was great.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
That's the mentality you need, though, you know, like that's
just that pushing forward and say we live in New Zealand,
it's a good time. And look if it gets a
bit cold and Dunedin, who cares because we're in New
Zealand and this is a great country.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
I was trying to make the before that I think
negative is easy. It's easy to be critical, it's easy
to be cynical, and it gets rewarded, particularly on social media.
This Texas says social media negativity. It's not only social media,
it's mainstream media too. Have you listened to Newstalk ZB
lately or what about this is? This is I'll describe
Auckland to you. I'm on newstalk here be, I'm the host.

(23:55):
Auckland is a bold, ambitious, world facing city, powered by
its people, a place where creativity, culture and innovation come
together to shape a confident future, ready New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Beautifully written. Yeah nice, that is Pride right there working
on that on the break. I could see that.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
So that's that's on ZIDB. Yeah, that's very naively positive.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
That yeah, super positive. Oh one hundred and eighty ten
eighties and number to call? Jared, how are you?

Speaker 2 (24:20):
What do you think about the narrative that we're telling
ourselves at the moment?

Speaker 10 (24:24):
Yeah, good, Ay, I think it's I think it's a
bit of a romanticism about the kind of small town
New Zealand life and a lot of people frown upon
people who moved to Auckland kind of selling out. You know,
there's a kind of big city ah. Just you know,
we have that Jaffer term we throw around as well.
And I don't know, I've I've kind of experienced a

(24:46):
bit of both. And I've been living in Ortland now
for eight years and absolutely love it.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
What do you love about it?

Speaker 2 (24:53):
What's what are the positives about Auckland?

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Jared?

Speaker 10 (24:58):
Well, you guys are saying it's a beautiful city. There's
beaches all around, beautiful walks. Got my two kids growing
up and they conceal their mates and we are I
don't know, there's lots of conscious as well. So I'm
a musician, so I go out and see a lot

(25:19):
of the bands that come over, and they just tend
to come to Auckland, and I mean sometimes I'll go
to christ Church and stuff, but there's always stuff happening
in the city and I just love it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Now, Jared, I'm being accused of being a rich elitist
tweat that it's very easy for me to be positive
about the city. Would you describe yourself as as rich
and a member of the elite?

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Jared, definitely not rich.

Speaker 10 (25:44):
Hopefully not a twitt either.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Sound like a good man.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
I'll accept tweat and then no, I can't push back
on twit definitely a twet.

Speaker 10 (25:54):
But yeah, look, look not the I moved up here
for more of the music opportunities, and I mean you
kind of just have to in Auckland and had a
lot of success. I mean, the thing is that you
just can't. You can't do what I'm trying to do
with the music things and smaller towns and so the

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opportunity is all you know up here in Auckland. And
I remember having a number of conversations through saying why
would you do that? Why would you move to Auckland?

Speaker 2 (26:24):
You know, tell us about your music and what you're
trying to do here and how it's going.

Speaker 13 (26:32):
Well.

Speaker 10 (26:32):
I mean we've When I first moved up here, we
signed up with an agency and that was really They
were really helpful with sorting out a bunch of corporate gigs,
weddings and that kind of thing. Whereas you know, I
used to live in rote Ora, we had to sort
out our own weddings. We didn't get that many corporate gigs.
I mean, companies just weren't big enough to support music

(26:55):
and so but we noticed as serve as we moved
to Auckland, Man, we're just getting so many gigs, and
you know, pretty well paid ones as well.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
So what kind of what kind of band are you?

Speaker 10 (27:06):
Well, I don't do it anymore. Changed to a different vocation.
It was very different and Christian ministry at the moment.
But I used to I used to run a joey
with my sister, just doing the classic covers and a
kind of upbeat, acoustic fun vibes. Way people loved it.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Dance to night Away, No good, good on you mate.

Speaker 5 (27:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
So and so you've been up there for eight years
and you've got a couple of kids and you're not surviving,
you're thriving. Would that be true to say?

Speaker 10 (27:38):
Yeah, that's that's absolutely right. Love, love and life. You know,
it's it's it's tough bringing our kids. I think I
do miss the big backyard. That's one thing I do
miss because when you're cooped up inside over the war,
you know, when it's sunny and it's it's pretty hard
to get the kids running around, so you just go

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to a playground and have a good time.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
But I think striving as part of life, there's it's
always hard.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
It's there's always.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Hard and good and there's you know, we do things
not because they're easy, but because because they're hard. You know,
we want to make better lives for our kids, so
we make our life harder fighting for them. We want
to make you know, we want to do stuff in
this world, so we we we have to work hard
and we come up against obstacles doing it. I think
that's just life. But I think a lot of the

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winging now is people that seem to believe that there
should just be a carpet rolled out in front of
them and then they'll lead to the promised land where
there's some kind of YouTube superstar or something.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 10 (28:40):
I think it's because because we live in a time
where there is unprecedented effluence in our culture. We have
war stuff than we've ever had throughout human history, and
yet we're experiencing this kind of mental health issues. And so,

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you know, we thought that if we just make everyone reached,
if we make everyone kind of prosperous and all this
kind of stuff, then we're just it up people's needs.
But it's not necessarily the case. And I think you
guys are right. Like social media, the news really amplifies
the negativity. So there's that kind of being played in
And I just I don't know, people have kind of

(29:23):
lost meaning in their life in many ways, and that
might be part of the negativity that's going around. People
don't really have mutionalist for what people are having kids
left as well, So the old birthplace there.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
And I look, I understand, yeah, I think you're being
on there, Jared, but to me, it's if you love something,
you fight for it. And if you love part of
living in this country and you're not having such a
good time, you fight, you fight to make it better.

Speaker 17 (29:47):
That's on you.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
That's not on the government or anybody else.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
I saw this video someone sent it to me a
listener and was from TikTok and it was some dickhead
and he was going, why would you an idiot to
stay in New Zealand? Why would you so much better Australia?
Why would you stay here? You're a mug And was
just listening things. I was like, maybe you'd stay here
to make it better. Maybe because you stay here because
you're grateful to be born in such a fantastic place
and you want to make where you live better than

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it was when you started and leave the world that
has given you so much with more.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yeah, maybe you want to do that. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Yeah, is that making you an idiot? No, as according
to most people on TikTok, and I think you.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Know that's primarily that's the mentality of Americans for a
long time. You know, they fight for America and what
makes the US say great in their eyes, and they
don't run away and say no buget. Well some do,
some do now more and more. Yeah, but that's what's
made it arguably the economic powerhouse on one of the
greatest and most powerful and rich countries in the world.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, Hey, thank you so much for your call. Jared,
really appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
After the break, Can I just mention some great man,
jaredy Yeah, fantastic call. After the break. Can I just
mention some of the things I was warned about by
very negative people before I moved to Auckland. I just
want to go through them one by one and just
push back on some of those warnings. I'll do that
after the break.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
This text is great after you fellus loving listening to
you too, winding about people, windy classic key, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
It's a good take sixteen to do.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
The issues that affect you.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
A bit of fun along the way, mad Heath and
Tyler Adams afternoons news.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Talk said, be very good afternoons you fourteen to two
so quickly. Before I moved up to this beautiful city
of Auckland, here are some of the things people said
to me. Said that They said, the traffic is horrendous,
You're gonna hate it, not so bad? Not so bad?
Can beared to christ she's stuck in traffic, takes about
twenty minutes from where I lived into the CBD, about
the same time in Auckland.

Speaker 4 (31:33):
Not that bad.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
That's only really bad in Rushia. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
And listen to listen to the radio, spend some time
in your car. You know, there's lots you can do.
Bring your parents.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Exactly, it's free time. Enjoy It rains a lot, yes,
but it also is very sunny up here as well.
The great thing I love, and I've said this to you,
is that if it starts to rain. Maybe today's not
a good example, but genuinely, if it starts to rain,
I know within an hour the sun's going to be
out again. And I freaking love that because down in
christ Use, if it starts rain and it sets in
for a week, there's people everywhere. Not true, there's a

(32:04):
lot of people up here, but there's a heck of
a lot of space. It's just not this whole thing
about Auckland's really overcrowded and if you like your space,
you won't find it. Nonsense, bs, there's so much space
up here. And the last one expensive wrong. It's just
as expensive in christ Church. You paid the same for
a beer up here. So there you go, there you go.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
So you've been so positive since you moved up here,
and you love christ Church, I do love No One Nelson,
and you love New Zealand. Yeah, but you've been very
positive about Auckland. It's been very different than what you
thought because all you hear is Auckland is winging about
it on social media exactly, and so the story you
get and also people running it down in christ Church.
You know, you know, cantabs aren't huge Auckland fans. The

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stick to says, guys, New Zealand may well be a
great place, but the problem you are missing is that
when benchmarked against what we used to have, quality of
life in terms of has deteriorated for many people, which
is why a lot of us are pessimistic. That being said,
when you can go to the kitchen, turn on a
tap and water comes out, a lot of countries would
consider us some of the richest.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
People in the world.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah, if you have to carry just think, you know,
when you're complaining about things, think about the huge percentage
of people in this world, humans in the world that
have to carry their water. To do their cooking and
cleaning on their.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Heads from rivers.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
That is hard, yeah, but also New Zealand may well
be a great place. But the problem you were missing
is that the benchmark against which we compare it to.
Why are you comparing it to anything else?

Speaker 5 (33:23):
You are?

Speaker 2 (33:23):
You are, and you make it better tomorrow, So you
compare to how much better you made it today compared
to yesterday. You can always compare yourself. You always find
some time that was better, some person that's better off,
somewhere that's better. You can just spend your whole time
looking at Instagram finding a million things that were better.
You can listen to stories people talking about how amazing

(33:44):
it was in the eighties if you want. But you
live now in the present, So how is it now
and how can you make it better? Those are the
only questions you need to ask.

Speaker 5 (33:53):
Bruce, you disagree, Yeah, it's interesting. I'm sort of a
boomer from back in the day, and I was born
in the fifties and Auckland. Once upon a time, on
Friday night you could go up, but you could start
at Craang Happy Road, the Pink Pussycat, and you could
make your way down along Craanghappy Road and it was vibrant.

Speaker 18 (34:16):
There was big department stores that are open. There was
people outside porters, there was people in the lifts working
with gloves.

Speaker 19 (34:25):
You'd catch a bus, you go down to Queen Street
and Friday it was just like an English high and.

Speaker 18 (34:31):
Upper High Street.

Speaker 19 (34:32):
It was just people of my generation will know exactly
what I'm talking about what Auckland was like.

Speaker 8 (34:40):
Back in those days.

Speaker 5 (34:41):
You know, the Auckland we grew.

Speaker 19 (34:42):
Up and we could get a bus to sixpence from
the suburb Mount Albert, Sandringham wherever, and we could.

Speaker 18 (34:49):
Have a wonderful evening in Auckland.

Speaker 19 (34:51):
I think you're going to get pushed back from people
that knew what it once was like to what it's
like today, and that's what we compare Auckland like. But
for myself, I came back to New Zealand and twenty
twenty five. I've been overseas for about forty years after
being one of the Boomer's privileged to get a world

(35:14):
class free education, and I was actually heartbroken.

Speaker 18 (35:20):
To what I sought what had happened to Auckland.

Speaker 19 (35:23):
Downtown Auckland, you know, the central post Office was just
an iconic building Smith and Coey's those you know, all
those wonderful department stores, the picture theaters.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
Yeah, do you worry that?

Speaker 20 (35:39):
Do you worry that?

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Do you worry that?

Speaker 2 (35:40):
This is this is rose colored spectacles, because you know
that the brainy, that's the bad bits out and nostalgia
boost your mood when you look back, and you know,
and the past feels really simple because you can press
it and you don't have to control it. But the
present feels chaotic because things are changing all the time.
So because because like just just I was just finished, Sorry, Bruce,

(36:03):
all right, this is this this book I read and
it was it was when the Rolling Stones came to
New Zealand in the ninety six and they could not
believe how boring it was. There was nothing open, there
was nothing to do. They were getting hassled on the
street for having long here. They were cold in their
hotel and they went up to the person at the
reception at the hotel and he.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Said, put a bloody jersey on.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
So you know, when the Rolling Stones look back on
New Zealand, I mean Keith rich is famously called Vicargoy
aarshole of the world. Do you see what I mean,
the fifties may seem amazing in some ways, but in
a lot of ways it was.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
It was a was arguably boring. There wasn't the excitement.
There wasn't the variation of things to do.

Speaker 19 (36:48):
Yeah, those of us that lived here, you know, I
remember Frank Sinatra coming here and saying I went to
New Zealand once.

Speaker 21 (36:54):
But it was closed.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
A good line.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
You know.

Speaker 8 (37:04):
We lived here.

Speaker 18 (37:04):
You know, we loved our rugby.

Speaker 8 (37:06):
We had the ram fairly sp we had the cricket
we had we had our media sports. We had free education,
free hospitals, we got a child welfare stubsidy. And I
think when when the thing that struck me when I
came back, and I've been living in quite a few
working in quite a few countries around the world. The
only thing I had the nostalgia, as you mentioned, but

(37:28):
I had comparisons to living and working in other big
cities like Auckland and Auckland. Unfortunately, I believe really missed
the bath.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Yeah, well sorry, Bryce, We've got to go to a
an ad break here. But yeah, thank you so much
for you car appreciate it. Yep, good on you is
seven minutes to two bag Ru shurely o e. One
hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number to call.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Matt Heath Tylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams
Afternoons news Dogs.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
The news Dogs there be. It is four to two
brilliant discussion.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
I have half a glass half full attitude and tend
to avoid negative people. Ended up divorcing the ex husband
because of his seemingly endless negativity. Fifteen years later and
he's still complaining about me leaving him.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Good move. I think, all right, we're going to keep
this going because it's a great discussion. A lot of
people want to have their say, but it's still keen
to hear from you. Oh wait, hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Is it time to change the narrative in New Zealand
to something more positive so we can get some stuff done?

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Nine two ninety two is the text New Sport and
Weather or on. It's way great to have your company
on this Wednesday afternoon. Stay right here, will be back
soon some.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
Middle little.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathan Taylor Adams
Afternoons News Talk zid Bey.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Very good afternoon to you, Welcome back into the program.
Seven past too. So we're talking about is there a
negativity bias in New Zealand's on the back of an
opinion piece by Rupert Hodson. He's the executive to Victor
of the Committee for Auckland, so he has argued that
Auckland story is vital for this country. But over and
over again the headlines and public conversation paints a picture
of decline, rising crime, gridlock, delayed infrastructure, increasing costs. Is

(39:22):
this a problem worth a lot of the country right
now that we seem to want to focus on the
negatives when there are a whole bunch of positives.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
It definitely seems that way to me. I feel like
the amount of complaining we get in New Zealand, in
the whole of New Zealand and Auckland particularly is disproportionate
for the fantastic lifestyle that we get and people from
overseas come here and point it out to us, but
we don't believe them. Like this texture on from Brazil

(39:50):
and feel really blessed to be able to live in
New Zealand. People need to travel more and not take
for granted this beautiful country. Brazil is also beautiful, but
it is full of homeless, not only on the CBD
but all over the place. Violence, robbery, corruption, poverty, the
list goes on. In New Zealand, you can leave your
car unlocked, your house unlocked, and most probably nothing will happen.
Don't even think about doing that in Brazil. The houses

(40:10):
in Brazil are like jails with high fences, electric fences, alarms.
You need to be armed, be more grateful. People of
New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
Puts things into perspectives, doesn't it. And I'll tell you
what when if you see people talking about New Zealand
and online forums, they talk us up something amazing and
it makes you pretty proud. But then you get into
New Zealand and the people that live here just run
it down. I mean, if those people come to this
country and realize how much we run it down, they'd
be like, what are you doing? This is beautiful, Mary says.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Auckland is the largest city in the country, so of
course it has more people, traffic, and of course opportunities.
It's a growing city, not a sleepy little town. It's
vibrant with diversity, beautiful beaches to choose from, not just
one that would be horribly crowded. Stop constantly comparing it.
It's Auckland, a unique, attractive, vibrant, growing and developing city.
And of course it's changed. It's called growth and development.

(40:59):
Take a hike and move on if you can't handle
it and appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
What about this one? This is a classic text.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Easy to have a positive attitude when you don't have
to work two jobs to cover rent and bugger all else,
when you can walk your dog or even afford to
feed one. Easy to say to be positive? Not easy
at all, not easy for all, Matt. Easy to say
anyone can say that, easy to say this, so easy
to say that. I mean, ninety percent of the world's
population could say to Matt. Easy to say to you, easy,

(41:28):
just well, good that you've got two jobs. Yeah, you're
lucky to have them. Gratitude is a beautiful thing, mattes.
It's like this text here. I leave home at six
fifteen am. I travel fifty six kilometer morning and afternoon.
My average speed is eighteen kilometers per hour. Average time
on road pull day three plus hours, only twenty eight
kilometers one way. Great to have legs and eyes and

(41:49):
a car, and the ability to text and think and
do and add up the numbers to send in this
text with the exact kilometers you travel and the speed
you travel in so many blessings.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Eighty percent, no, ninety nine percent of the world would
look at that and say, You've won the lottery of life,
Dear Texter.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Shirley Auckland is also the most joseph city in the country.
Because of the large amount of people and the big
mixtures of culture. There is less sexism and homophobia than
your average small town. Where else are you going to
see Harry Christna's on a Friday night?

Speaker 3 (42:20):
It's a good point. Where do you see the hid Christians?

Speaker 2 (42:22):
I haven't seen Harry Christmas in ages.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
It's amazing to see them.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
I remember when I had no money at all and
I was stuck in christ Church, like, no money to eat,
and I was sort of basically living out the back
of someone's house.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
The Harry Christmas would feed me in the park. Nice, horrible.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
I was happy to get it, but yeah, some kind
of horrible sweet slap.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
The vegetarians, aren't they? I think they have to be? Yeah,
I said out threw it back in their face. How
dare you? Yeah, free lunch? How dare you Mikey? Is
it Mikey or Mickey Mickey?

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Oh hey, Mickey, welcome to the show. Thanks for calling in.

Speaker 9 (42:57):
Thank you.

Speaker 17 (42:58):
Look, I've been listening to all of this. I'm I'm
a boomer, retired and I have nothing to complain about.
But over the last three decades of most of the
time in Brisbane, and I can say that coming back
here six and a half years ago, I was depressed
with the negativity. If you go, for example, down Queen

(43:21):
Street and Brisbane, it's clean, there's police on the beat,
all the shops are shining, it's a pleasant place to be.
Queen Street here is well, it's disgusting. And when you
think all those cruise ships come in here and all
these people get off and walk up Queen Street and
there's vomits and everything else on the street, I think

(43:42):
that is a disgrace.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
How have you spent some.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Time down in Commercial Bay and around Britain mart at
the moment. I was just down there the other day.

Speaker 17 (43:49):
Actually, Commercial Bay and Britain are fantastic, and that's that's.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Where they go, that whole area right up, I would say,
you know, and it's obviously going to get better. But
there's quite a bit area to lower Queen Street that
is pretty nice. I mean, if you're getting off a ship,
it looks pretty international down there.

Speaker 17 (44:07):
Wells Untriul you walk up Queen Street, though, but you
know he is hoping. I hear the Prime Minister is
going to do something to clean it up. But getting
on with your subject. I get sick of the tall
poppy syndrome. I'm sick to death.

Speaker 22 (44:23):
Of the moaners.

Speaker 17 (44:24):
And I'm always wondering what was different when I was
brought up here. And the only thing I can think
of with two things. One was discipline and secondly, there
was no welfare. And if you wanted to get ahead
in life, you had to get out there and grind
and work two jobs. And I know that my late
husband also, he was working three jobs at a time.

(44:46):
We never moaned because that's how you got ahead. And
if people would stop criticizing, we'd live in the most
beautiful country in the world. I live up near the
beach or on the beach at Manly, and you know
there are hundreds of dogs that walk along that beach
every day. How lucky are we to be able to
do that.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
Yeah, it's fantastic. I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
I mean yeah, if you've got a dog in New
Zealand and Auckland, particularly any part of New Zealand, then
you see such incredible parts of the city. I think
it's impossible if you get on a Saturday morning and
walk your dog in any number of places, so many
of them up Mount Eden, Mount Albert, Mount Albert's lovely
big king with that male reserve. It's just incredible beauty.

(45:33):
You got to Takapuna Beach, any number of beaches, go
at to Piha for nothing, yep, for nothing. You can
have You can have what people would fly across the
world to experience. Yeah, exactly, But don disagrees. Hey, shovel
your positivity. Both of you are probably silver spoon fed.
This economy sucks, does it, Dion? Oh, the economy sas.

(45:53):
We'll sort it out, buddy, Yeah, and no neither of
us are silver.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Spoon Sorry, Dion, fight for it, man, like, don't just
roll over and sem to do hard, Get up and
do something your booby. Oh eight one hundred eighty ten
is the number to called. Come on, guys.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
People are comparing living expenses, traffic and other negative stuff.
But the two of you should not be dismissing everyone's
complaints so easily by saying, oh, be happy, you're alive
and you have two legs and eyes. That's something else.
You're comparing apples to fruit seller. No, absolutely, you can
always compare yourself to someone better and someone worse. So
if you're sitting in a car and you're complaining about life,
just think, well, I live in a time when I

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can drive a car.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
If you've got two jobs, you go, wow, I managed
to find two jobs.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
I mean, you can. You can tell a different narrative.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
On even any situation. Yeah, I mean you could be
starving on the streets. You could lose your eyesight, there's
you know, you could you could have no legs.

Speaker 5 (46:44):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
It sounds nef but I do this generally as I
wake up and I write three things that I'm grateful for,
and there's there's a bucket load that I should be
grateful for, but there's a game changer. You start the
day and actually, I'm grateful for a lot of things
about my life and live in this country. Instead of
waking up and thinking, oh, my life sucks. But what
do you say, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
It is a quarterbas doo wow your home of afternoon talk,
Mad Heathen Taylor Adams. Afternoons call Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty youth talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
For a good afternoons. You're seventeen past two, Dion, who.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
I just belittled on you. It's not nice to me,
he says, I'm changing radio stations.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
You two blow. I just like to say, Dian, I
love you. But you know you'll be back. Yeah, you'll
be back man.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
In fact, you having had left, we know that you're
still listening.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Yeah, we love you, Dion. Keep fighting, man, You've got
to fight. See at the top of that hill. But
you know, yeah, you'll be back. Yeah, you'll be Ben.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
I'm not worried at all about you not being back, buddy, Paul,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 20 (47:48):
Howdy. So I love going out to our beautiful West
Coast beaches. I'm going out there all the times life.
You know, bet Doll's peh carry carry, And it's just
amazing to me that you can go out there. I've
been out there, you know, on a beautiful summer day
and there's virtually no one there.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Yeah, it's incredible, it's it's just it's just stunning.

Speaker 20 (48:12):
Anywhere else in the world, those beaches would be packed. So,
you know, I'm very, very grateful for that. But having
said that, you know, without being too critical, I'd say
I do detect a sense of what you might call
white privilege.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
And some of your statements, well, would race, why would
race have absolutely anything to do with being positive or
negative about something. I mean, all races can be positive
or negative.

Speaker 20 (48:41):
Okay, well, there's this this move of white vis state privilege.
You know, would you be you know, so upbeaten happy
about it if you're you know, pragering out how you're
going to pay the rates or sapigia kids. Probably not.

Speaker 5 (49:01):
You know, it's just a little bit of well maybe,
but that's not the question.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
There's not that.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
We're not saying that there's nothing wrong and that's not challenges.
We're saying that the negativity is just proportionate for the
actual situation on the ground.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
And look, you.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Get a narrative, right, And so in any city and
any time anywhere in the world, there has been challenges
for some. Sometimes the challenges are bigger. Sometimes they're less right.
There's always going to be challenges, and we can always
really concentrate on how hard it is, and maybe and
we can concentrate that some people are struggling, and let's
try and make a world where be fantastic if everyone
wasn't struggling, but they always would. But what we're really

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saying is that the narrative that's come into play is
relentlessly negative, relentlessly focused on the bad stuff, never spending
any time talking about the good stuff. And I think
that narrative creates a cycle of downward negativity and people
start to look around and think that their life is terrible.
I mean, you bring the beach. The beach is free,

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so you can walk along the beach and have a
massive rates bill. But we do live in a city
where you're never you're not going to starve.

Speaker 13 (50:11):
You know.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
We have a social welfare system such that no one
starves in this country, and that's something that that's good
to know.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
You know.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
I've spent a bit of time in India.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Where people are just left literally in rubbish bins, literally
in rubbish dumps. So I thought, all I'm really saying
is absolutely the challenges and I feel for all these people,
and there's and there's a lot more we can do.
But the negativity cycle is not going to make the
place better, It's going to make it worse.

Speaker 20 (50:41):
No, No, well, I mean it is true to say
people say, you know, there's never been a better time
to be alive. And you know, you could make the
argument that of all the humans who have ever lived
in history, you know where it makes the luckiest.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Over half of humans, over half of humans that have
ever lived, didn't make it to adulthood. You know, just
the fact that's right, Just the fact if you hit
twenty one, then you're doing really well compared to historically
you know, human.

Speaker 23 (51:09):
So that's true.

Speaker 20 (51:11):
But then the other on the other side of things
is that you know, a lot of people are very unhappy,
like there's a loneliness epidemic.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
And yeah, yeah, yeah, we lost.

Speaker 20 (51:22):
The sense of community, I think is what is missing
in modern life.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Yeah, and I think that's part of I think that's
part of the wider problem. There's sort of a lot
of people sitting back scroll doom scrolling, firing out negativity
into the world, when if you can actually get together
with other people to do something positive whatever, that is
whether it's a you know, a club, whatever it is,
or working on approject.

Speaker 20 (51:43):
That's by design. That's by design because there's algorithms, so
that's how they Yeah, yeah, that's money making.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
They want to own they want to own your social
time by keeping you socializing online and separated so they
can make money. That's that's their algorithm. Absolutely, one hundred
hundred percent. But it's not good for us as people
and it's not good for the community. Absolutely agree, Paul,
Thanks so much for your call.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Yeah, good call, taking your thoughts on this one. I
had one hundred and eighty ten Do we have a
negativity bias? And how do we turn it around? Nine
two is antis twenty two past two.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call, Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZIV.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
Afternoon to you twenty five past two, and we've asked
the question is there are negativity bias in New Zealand
and if there is, how do we turn it around?
How do we pump up our own tires and be
proud of this country or whatever city you live in?

Speaker 10 (52:36):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (52:37):
What one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
I think I'm trying.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
I'll try and word the point I'm trying to make,
and it's what's the author of this article again, it's
a fantastic guard.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
Rupert's Hodson. He's the executive executive director of the Committee
for Aubland.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
And I think the argument that he's basically trying to
make as well is that narrative becomes reality. And if
you keep repeating that a place is a no hope poolhole,
it'll never get better. But if you if your narrative
is we are lucky to be here, this place is amazing,
the people are amazing, and it is worth fighting for
every day, then things get better.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
So it's worth saving and it's worth fighting for.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
Yeah, and you mentioned that because I know it was
at the end of that movie seven, great fantastic movie.
But the quote is from Ernest Hemyway and I love
the quote, and ernest Hemyway he had his problems, no
doubt about it. But the world is a fine place
and worth fighting for. It was used a little bit
differently in seven, but I think Morgan Freeman said I
agree with the second part, but absolutely, if you love something,

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you've got to fight for it, and if you believe
in this country, then you've got to do your part
to try and make it better for your situation. You
can't rely on the government and other people. You've got
to dig in and do what you can to make
it better around you.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Well, it's like what Sam Wuiz Gamgee said, defrodo right,
there's some good in this world, mister Frodo, and it's
worth fighting for.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
Great line, great line. Here's a smart man saying.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
So if that's your narrative, there's good in this world
and it's worth fighting for. There's good in this country,
and it's worth fighting for. It's good in this city
or wherever the city are, whatever town there was fighting
for is a lot better narrative than.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
This place blows more lifestyle, it's just getting worse. Yeah,
five for it. Someone else has got more than me, Sheila,
You reckon Auckland's pretty awesome.

Speaker 24 (54:23):
I do, I do.

Speaker 25 (54:23):
I don't live in the city, but I love going there.
I've got someone in Belmont on the shore. I just
think you guys are so lucky having a lot of
things at your doorsteps that a lot of people don't have,
like the parks, the beats, the walkways, the cycle ways,
you've got up pros, you've got shows in town. I

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think you guys have got a lot going for you,
and people just need to be more positive.

Speaker 20 (54:49):
They're negative.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Whereabout to you, Sheila, if you don't mind me asking,
I live a Master.

Speaker 20 (54:55):
And the Wirapa and what's it like there?

Speaker 13 (54:58):
Oh?

Speaker 25 (54:59):
I think it's great. We've got fantastic so great place
for families to come for holidays. We're set up really
well for families and everything for cycle pools and free activities.

Speaker 8 (55:11):
He is very good down there.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Are you a positive person generally speaking? Because you're positive
about Marsterden and positive aout Auckland. Do you find yourself
being positive about most things? I do.

Speaker 25 (55:21):
I think you need to be away. You need to
be negative for I think there's more positive people out
there than negative people. But the negative people are the
people you hear from all the time that keep pulling
everyone down.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
I agree, and I think that's kind of the point
of this chat as well. As the negativity gets amplified
by the algorithms, and you know, the need for clicks
and the need for views and the needfulessness, and so
the negativity gets amplified. When I think most people are
like you. She I thank you so much for your call,
appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
You know what a great news lender.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
And you know she talks about criticism being easy. I've
got some great audio here that I'd like to share
with you from the movie Ratituy. I've always thought this
is absolutely brilliant from the really mean critic Anton Ego
when he finally eats the Rattiituy that he've discovered has
actually been made by rat and he's been the most
snobby French food review of all time, and then he

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has this realization.

Speaker 26 (56:15):
In many ways, the work of a critic is easy.
We risk very little yet enjoy a position over those
who offer up their work and themselves to our judgment.
We thrive on negative criticism, which is fun to write
and to read.

Speaker 9 (56:34):
But the bitter truth we critics must face is that
in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of
junk is probably more meaningful than our criticism designating it.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
So that's the thing, and that is some wisdom right there.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
It's hard to build and make, it's hard to create,
and it's very easy to just crap on everything. It's
so easy, it takes so little in it and it's
fun to do and it's fun for other people to hear.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
But it's very very easy, and it is a spiral.
That was a clap right headlines with Raylene coming up.
Then we're taking more of your calls OZ one hundred
and eighty ten eighty bang on HbAS two.

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Speaker 3 (58:31):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty six to
three and we're talking about negativity in New Zealand. Do
we have a bias towards being negative? And if we do,
how do we turn it around?

Speaker 4 (58:41):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (58:41):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to
call Queen Street.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
It's such a bad raps, as Dave, I live near
Queen Street. I think it's awesome and I don't see
as much of this homelessness, crime, vomit, et cetera that
everyone's talking about. I live near a fantastic supermarket. It's awesome.
I go to Unity, you read a book and have
a bear at the Occidental. Queen Street is fantastic. It's
all a beat up. I mean a lot of people
that are just going on and on about how bad

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the CBD of Auckland are.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
Never go there.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Yeah, they So much of what people say about the
world is just what they've seen on social media or
of what they've read in the media.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
Perception is reality for a lot of people, so.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
They spend so much their time angry about things that
they don't actually experience themselves.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Yeah, exactly. Oh, e one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is that number to call?

Speaker 2 (59:25):
Yes, this is a great country. Yes, positive is good,
but there is no denying the current trajectory is one
of decline, even over the space of the last ten years.
No amount of positive a talk is going to change
that direction. Only an environment climate to allow the ability
to do, and the doing will set the direction straight. Yeah,
we'll fix it.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
Then.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
If it's on decline, then and you believe it's worth
it's worth fighting for, then.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
Fight for it.

Speaker 5 (59:47):
Fix it.

Speaker 27 (59:47):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
And on top of that, can I just push back?
So we've got low productivity in this in this country
and a major contributing factor cited in research is a
national negative thinking or cynical mindset, which acts as a
barrier to innovation and improvement. So to break that down further, fatalism, denial,
or common response to poor productivity data is a sense
of disempowerment and synesis as if it's bad, there's nothing

(01:00:10):
we can do about it. Absolutely positive mindset can turn
things around. That if we think we can, then that
leads to innovation, that leads to doing kick ass things,
and that means that we're going to be working better
at what we do.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Yeah, exactly, Auckland has everything that's doorsteps is Brandon swimming
at beaches, mountain biking, hiking, surfing, fishing, speedway and all
the other sports. There's no snow up here, so we
built an indoor snow park, hunting and the list goes on.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Cheers, Brandon leads out Zane, welcome for the show.

Speaker 20 (01:00:41):
Yeah, hi, guys.

Speaker 22 (01:00:43):
I was just I'm living in Queenstown right and we
still have that negativity down here, and I can't believe
we do. In such a beautiful place we have that negativity.
I was just up in the meeting yesterday and some
guys said to me, why would you move to the
traffic jam in Queenstown? Am I going to move here

(01:01:03):
for the traffic gem? I moved here for the mountain
biking form the s for the views for everything else
except for the mountain. You know, I just see that
negativity around everywhere and it's annoying. And I've got a theory.
I think it's the naysayers. Like you said before, it's
all these naysayers. You know, the government wanted to do something. No,

(01:01:26):
it's for fresh reaction as No, No, we're not going
to do that. No we're going to get the money.

Speaker 14 (01:01:30):
No.

Speaker 22 (01:01:31):
I think when we get one of that may, I
think people will see progress and they will see that
with progress comes a bit of inconvenience.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Your story story reminds me of another story. I had
a friend that grew up well, I spent a lot
of time when I was younger and Sterling, which is
a small town near Belkluther, and I was we were
moving back to Dunedin and this person said, wh would
you want to go to need And it's a bloody
rat race up there. So compared to Sterling, Dunedin's got

(01:02:02):
too much traffic and it's too much going on, too much.

Speaker 22 (01:02:07):
Yeah, yeah, I just I don't know how we fixed this.

Speaker 28 (01:02:14):
Thing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Yeah yeah, I mean the idea that there isn't challenges.

Speaker 22 (01:02:17):
I lived and worked over in Dubai for the last
ten years. Yeah, and you know they have problems there.
I've got relations in Australia. You watch the news in Australia.
What's on the news? What's on the news here?

Speaker 28 (01:02:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
And you know what's really interesting is if you go
back and read ancient Roman text is on want to do?
Being a bit of a classics nerd, they're complaining about
the same exact same things two two hundred years ago
that we're complaining about about lazy youth, about lack of discipline,
when change crumbling, infrastructure, nothing changing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
Nothing changes. Thanks, you're a lucky man living in a
place like Queenstown. How beautiful, Thank you very much. Mates.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
But the Romans could all get together and smash up,
smash up carthage. They had that, they knew what they
wanted to do. Yeah, get out, smash up. Other countries
don't have that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
We don't have a bring some of that back.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
I don't know who we'd invade. I don't know who
New Zealand could take out.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighties. The number of
cool love to hear your thoughts, it's twenty two to three.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
Madd Heath Tyler Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on Mad Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
It'd be nineteen to three.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
This is good text before from us hunter from Hawk's
Bay here, Where can you hunt in Auckland? Great attitude though, guys,
we need more positivity. Yeah, wishould we'd call us saying
you know Auckland? Oh, a text saying all the amazing
things you can do in Auckland mountain biking, surfing, hunting. Yeah,
I mean I think you're probably going to want to
drive about forty five minutes north before you can. You'd
want to do too much hunting.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Can you find a few goats and mudawai? Maybe in
the in the bush somewhere?

Speaker 10 (01:03:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
Yeah, I'll check it out next time there, Chris, Chris.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Sorry, welcome to the show. Just having a little trouble
clicking your call on the you go. You're from Australia originally?

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
Is that right?

Speaker 29 (01:04:08):
Christ Church?

Speaker 18 (01:04:09):
Originally?

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
Okay? Sorry?

Speaker 29 (01:04:11):
Look, I think the problem is is the negative gets
too much light, you know, and if you're constantly taking
that on board, you can become it. And so you know,
if you've got to filter the noise out of your
own life and basically just take bits of what you

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need to just get a hit. I wanted to give
two pieces of advice to my fellow Keyweeks. The phone
may please don't choose friends strategically because you can become
who you associate with. And the second one is always
look for a better job, keep pushing, and one day

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you'll look back at the people that are all winging
and carrying on and save yourself. They are called of
what it shoulder, not a doer. It's a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, good on you, Chris, Thank you for that.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
That is some solid advice and I think.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
It goes back to that stoic principle that the thoughts
shape your reality. So and you know, we all have
those friends that you know, they're going to be negative
about it about everything day, absolutely no whatever movie they
go to, they're going to be negative about, whatever restaurant
they go to, they're going to be negative about it.
And they get amplified in the current climate. Yeah, and
you know, the algorithm amplifies that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
And it's such a downbars it's so boring, but they
just ruined the vibe. And that's what it feels like
that the wines in New Zealand, you're ruining the vibe
of this country. Michelle, how are you good? How are
you good? What do you reckon about this one?

Speaker 28 (01:05:53):
For me, I think that we actually have a problem
with our with some of our mainstream media, where their
narrative is the government sucks. Living in New Zealand is
just you know, everyone's moving to Australia, moving overseas. This
is like the worst place to stay. And it just
it seems as though it's just become like this negative

(01:06:17):
kind of artlet for generalists just to share the dislike
of what's happening currently in now, either government kind of
narrative or kind of sector. And then also just if
it doesn't go with a person's political viewpoint, or even
if it's just if things aren't going according to it's
just the kind of how they kind of project how

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the world should work. Yeah, So I just my way
of seeing things is just try and try and put
a falter up and don't necessarily take in all those
those stories or messagings that you do get, either from
whatever type of media you listen to, whether it's on

(01:07:02):
the Internet, if it's radio, if it's television, just kind
of create your own story and just go out and
make things happen. Because yes, times are tough, but I
promise you assis human beings are tougher. We can we
can definitely get through these hard times.

Speaker 10 (01:07:17):
It's just.

Speaker 28 (01:07:19):
Like what you guys have been saying, But what are
you telling yourself? What are you doing every day to
make your life a bit better? Because yeah, it's it's
really really really it's true story.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
It's up to you and the tiny little things.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
If you do tiny little things every day to make
your life better, then they grow pretty quickly over time.
So what positives do you see in the country looking around?

Speaker 13 (01:07:40):
What?

Speaker 10 (01:07:40):
What?

Speaker 6 (01:07:41):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
What things are making you feel good about New Zealand?

Speaker 28 (01:07:46):
I just I can. I can say that like just
being around my friends, like going running after work and
having that chat just to be able to just chat
about the day and connect with other humans.

Speaker 17 (01:08:01):
And.

Speaker 28 (01:08:03):
Getting excited about Christmas, putting up the Christmas tree. And
it's just finding those small things to look forward to you.
And I promise you, even if you, yes, maybe don't
have as money as you had five years ago, I
promise you just taking a walk along the coastline, or
even just like walking past someone and giving them a
smile and if they smiled back. I promise you that's

(01:08:25):
worth more than anything that money can buy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
Yeah, that's what I gat. Great attitude, Michelle. Well, well
you really nailed that question.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
So I was asking you a curly one and you
absolutely nailed it. I really appreciate that, how articulate, beautifully said.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
But I think running is a really.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Good thing, and walking and getting out of your house.
You know, people talk about how expensive everything is, but
it's absolutely free. I mean not everyone can run, but
it's absolutely free to get out of the house and walk.
And if you can text someone and go, oh, let's
go for a wonder. You know, that's a boast bloody
good for your mood. Both get a bit of vitamund going,
see a bit of a few trees, even if they're

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just trees growing on booms.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
See some nice doggies, yep, doggies. Yeah, it's good time
on you, Michelle. Thank you for your call. Oh one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
Michael. You're an ex Aucklander, but you're now living in
christ Church.

Speaker 24 (01:09:18):
Yes, I am yes I am. And it's a city
that's actually a rediscovered its mojo and people talk so
positively every day, Like everyone that I'm meeting with. I'm
in a sales role, so I'm constantly interacting with people
and they're upbeat, they're positive, they talk positively about the future,

(01:09:38):
and it's kind of incting the whole city. Everywhere you go.
Everyone's got a forward focused mentality because of the way
they speak.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Yeah, I noticed it about christ Church and it's in
the media now. It's become a media trend to just
say christ Church is awesome and got it stuff sorted
and it's moving forward and it's a great place to be.

Speaker 24 (01:09:58):
Absolutely, And when I shifted down that, you could say
the exact opposite. Christ Church was a media beat up
because there was no national media being published down here,
so all the stories are coming out of North Island
and they would often refer to christ Church with you know,
a relatively negative filter and a few nasty comments about

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what a dull and backward.

Speaker 4 (01:10:21):
Place it was.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
Yeah, so true. I mean case in point is christ
Church is there was a lot of negative people for
a long time in christ Church for obvious reasons. There
were you know there was a lot that happened to
poor old christ Church, but the more that they started
talking positively about what was happening about the city and
the stadium and what was going on in the CBD.
Slowly but surely, Michael, you've been living it, but I

(01:10:42):
witnessed it as well, that it started to turn things around.
That positivity breeds more positivity and the cycle continues.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
So it does, and it helps the city and your
thoughts become reality. So how do you change the narrative
of a city? How do you stop say, Auckland, your
old city running itself down all the time? How can
people go back to the way they used to talk
about it in nineteen sixty seven in this documentary I
said with this is the way it was described was.

Speaker 6 (01:11:13):
Most Aucklanders are intensely proud of their city. It's modern
the then it is, it's claimate, it's continual struggle to
be involgue with overseas trends, and it's frenetic grid.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
I feel like Auckland had had the mojo of christ
Church for a very very long time.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
So how do you get it back?

Speaker 24 (01:11:30):
I believe that you are what you say, So if
you choose your words carefully. If you say positive things,
if you find something upbeat to say about any situation,
and your genuinely can you can be in less than
positive situations, but find some way of looking at it positively.
It actually changes your mindset.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
Yeah, yeah, thank you for you call, Michael. Great call.
But it is I mean true.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
I mean that nothing proves the narrative change more than
christ Church. The narrative on that city is so positive
right now, and we get excited talking about it. I've
brought into the narrative.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
Yepkly.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
I came back from Grays It's amazing there. I'm not
even sure. I just went down there assuming it would
and it was. And I came back and I continued
the narrative. Oh god, CHRISTI is incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
It's working right back in the mow. But oh, one
hundred and eighty, ten eighty is that number to call?

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
It is ten to three the issues that affect you,
and a bit of fun along the way. Matt Heath
and Tyler Adams afternoons news.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
Talks, they'd be maybe it is seven to three, Jeff,
Welcome to.

Speaker 23 (01:12:28):
The showy Fellows, good show, good show.

Speaker 18 (01:12:31):
You know I waited to drive around the.

Speaker 21 (01:12:32):
Or country long and I'll be down in one of
your or problems that we're talking a bunch of hams
and say, you.

Speaker 18 (01:12:38):
Know what, you know what Jeffer is?

Speaker 21 (01:12:40):
You know Jeffer and they all go, I don't know, No,
Jeffer is just another friendly face from bort.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
Oh bless that is nice, mate, Sam, mate.

Speaker 21 (01:12:52):
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what you can do.

Speaker 8 (01:12:56):
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Speaker 21 (01:12:57):
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Speaker 27 (01:13:01):
The year Well you are you?

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
Are you the are you the Jeff Thomas? Jeff Thomas?
Yeah you have ah right, it's it with you in
New Zealand. I think so much for ringing in Wow,
good stuff.

Speaker 21 (01:13:12):
Well, well I just slabbed the subject.

Speaker 17 (01:13:14):
Rod.

Speaker 21 (01:13:14):
I love to say Jack And as I said, we
did a show.

Speaker 20 (01:13:17):
In fact we had of John John O Ben.

Speaker 21 (01:13:20):
We we're gonna shooting a rabbit abound either shot of
feces of the duck that we want to trout in
at length with Bockey. We caught a big game fasher
to a buns way like the shack off. Why you
and you can do it all within sixty minutes Qui Street,
no problem.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
Yeah, it's incredible, wasn't it. Yeah, I mean we're out
in the world. Did you do something like that? If
it is, it's it's unique and it's a beautiful thing
in New Zealand.

Speaker 21 (01:13:44):
Oh absolutely. And I mean I've born a bread orphan,
so I'm a little bit advised. But that's right, that's right.
But yetnity you can't do is going to shed.

Speaker 23 (01:13:52):
Me or a character because you talking about But no, no, no,
carry on with a good work.

Speaker 21 (01:13:57):
We're gonna got to look after or we look after
the whole country. We all know this is one of
the best countries of the world.

Speaker 4 (01:14:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
Absolutely hate Jiff and so so good to talk to you,
and thank you so much for ring in.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
How outdoors with Jeff? What religions? Great New Zealand. No
Shemys and Auckland. You're gonna go a little bit further
afield for the Shemis. But what a great man.

Speaker 9 (01:14:15):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
Plenty of techs coming through on nine two ninety two.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
Oh my goodness, there's so many ticks coming in. I'm
grateful for my parents being accepted into New Zealand and
Viicago has been a great place to raise a family.

Speaker 10 (01:14:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
Yeah, it seems the people that have moved here from
use we are very very complementary of the of the country. Yeah,
way more so than the people that are here and
maybe haven't done as much traveling and haven't seen how
bad it is everywhere else. There's a text here saying
I've got to find it. It was so negative and
maybe I shouldn't read it out, but.

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
But I will.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
We've got time, Yeah, we got time.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
We've got to time.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
There just sly coming through.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
Shine a light on that negativity.

Speaker 4 (01:14:59):
Where is it?

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
We've had hundreds and hundreds of ticks come through, damn.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
But basically it was, how can you be positive when
you'll watch your children die in ho hospital with unable
to afford the pharmaceuticals that's going to happen to you
every day. I'm so grateful for my children's health and
my family's health and my friend's health. You know, that's

(01:15:24):
absolutely that can happen. But we're in one of the
strangest times in history and one of the smallest places,
one of the strangest, smallest populations of people that have
healthcare available to them, and the health system maybe overrun,
and it definitely has its problems, but.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
You can go and get help. Yeah, and you've got
to have gratitude.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Your fellow citizens do put up a lot of money
through their taxes to help you if you get into trouble.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
Exactly. We are incredibly lucky on the world World scheme
of things.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
That is a very rare thing in history and a
very rare thing in current times globally.

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
Yeah, hey, should we keep this going. There's a lot
of people want to have a chat about this, so
why not? I wait one hundred eighty ten eighty love
to hear your thoughts about too negative in this country.
Do we need to have more of a positive spin?
And how do we turn things around? How do we
change the narrative from negative to positive? New Sport and
Weather coming up next.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
Your new homes are instateful and entertaining Talk. It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk Sevvy Afternoon you.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
Sax past three. Welcome back into the show.

Speaker 10 (01:16:33):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
I noticed matt that you just had to hang up
pretty rapidly before we started the show again. But you
had some sort of rogue phone call.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Do you sometimes just answer the phone because it's ringing? Yeah,
I just pick it up, and I'm not thinking. I
was doing a bunch of other stuff. I was busy,
busy doing staff, doing busy broadcasting stuff here.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
Yeah, and so I just picked up my phone.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Is there a scam going round where people bring you
up from a hotel chain and talk about you staying
at their hotel and offer you two free nights somewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
It's a good question. I haven't got that scam yet.
But when you first answered, and it was some sort
of botic voice saying the phone call is going to
be recorded, which felt like a red flag, but then
you did actually.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
Speak no, you know, that was my razor sharp cheekbones.
For some reason, my cheekbones are in such a position
whenever I answer a card now it presses the button
on the phone that starts recording it. Ah, a right,
And it's always embarrassing because it sounds like I'm being dodgy.
Someone rings up and goes, this phone call will now
be recorded. I'm like, no, no, no, that's my face.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
That's a power move. That's a massive power move. My
face is.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Pressing the button. It's embarrassing. So that wasn't related to it.
But that's just yeah, I'm so cynical about scams now. Basically,
anyone that rings me up that I don't have their number,
I think they're trying to scam me.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
So what were they offering?

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
As they said, there's been a major upgrade at this
hotel at the Christ Gutty Aboard, right, and they're offering
has there been a massive upgrade at the hotel at
the Christ Juice?

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
But I think there hairs, Yeah, definitely has.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Maybe they're not a scam, just they're offering me two
free nights there.

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
Roll the dice, take the offer and see where it goes.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
If you start, you know, should I bring them back
and just open with my credit card details?

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
If you get caught over sea smuggling cocaine, we know
something went horribly wrong with the free offer of the
hotel room. But let's start it off and see where
it goes.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Yeah, oh yeah, there has been a renovation there here.

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
I'll ring back with my credit code details. Yeah it
looks nice, doesn't it lovely?

Speaker 25 (01:18:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
Very nice.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
I do want those free two nights there, get no catches?

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
Give us an update on that one, mate. Anyway, back
to this, this.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Unprofessional of me to answer my phone just seconds before
I've went on it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
It was very professional how you hung up on them though. Yeah,
you're a polite but firm Sorry, I got a job
to do. I've got to go, so nicely done. Right
back to our discussion about negativity in New Zealand, do
we have a negative bias? So this is on the
back of a great opinion piece. You can read it
on the hero right now. It's by Rupert Hodson. He's
the executive director of the Committee for Auckland and he
highlighted why Auckland story is important not only for residents

(01:18:59):
up here, but also for New Zealand as a whole.
It's the engine room of New Zealand. But his point
was the dominant headlines and chat often focus on what's
going wrong in a place like Auckland, about crime, traffic issues,
a lad of the structure, rising expenses, instead of the progress,
potential and innovation happening across the city. And he made
the point that the narrative does have real impact, that
negative narrative. It shapes our collective mindset and influences how

(01:19:22):
Auckland and the rest of New Zealand is viewed internationally.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
Yeah, so the call of your thoughts become your reality
is really the argument here. And if we keep running
down a place, which kind of makes sense because if
you keep saying that a place is rubbish and unsalvagable,
then you then you are unlikely to be motivated to
fight to make it better. But if you say, we're
very lucky to be here. There are challenges, but it's

(01:19:46):
well worth fighting for, then you then I think things
will get better. And as we was talking about at
the end of last hour, look at how much the
narratives changed in christ Church, and I think that's having
a snowball effect. People are just walking around christ Church
going it's bloody great here, yep, it's amazing. It's our
city on the rise.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
Happiness levels through the roof.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
Everything's getting better and better. Yeah, surely we can tell
the same story about every city. And why can't we
start telling that story about Auckland City.

Speaker 5 (01:20:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call?

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Look look at this negativity is so powerful that this
texture is saying you guys have been trained and paid
for by the government to say things aren't as bad
as they actually are. This is propaganda. You're saying Trump
is doing well? Have not mentioned Trump?

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
That?

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
What's the law? Matt's law?

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
If you bring inject Trump into a conversation that has
nothing to do with Trump, then then you get ignored.

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
Yeah, you completely lose the argument. He's law.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
This is you right wing blow hards blowing the gold
the government's golden trumpet. Keep it up, boys, you're getting
very very pay paid, very very well. But how do
you sleep at night when the rest of us are
burning in our beds?

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
Seas for a minic? Come on?

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
So this is how ingrained the negativity in this country
is that it is seen for someone to even suggest
that maybe we could be a bit more positive as
seen as a massive conspiracy. It couldn't possibly. New Zealand
is according to this person in New Zealand, so irreversibly
and irrecovably.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
Is that what's the word I reculably? It's erecta irrecovably
I rafica belief horrivocably. Yeah, broken that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
We anyone that would even suggests that there's something good
going on here is.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
A part of a conspiracy. We're going to dig ourselves
out of this whole. That's bad, bad, I mean, look
around you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
Yeah, is it is it really that bad that you
can't find a single thing to positive to say without
somehow being.

Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
Part of a massive conspiracy, terrible plan. Oh one hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Oh, just quickly.
Apparently those two free nights do exist.

Speaker 5 (01:22:00):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
So there you go, mate.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
We apologies to that person that rang up and I
assume they're a scam.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
May look at me. I'm bad.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
I'm as bad as this text. I was assuming a
conspiracy that wasn't there.

Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
There's a lot out there, Mark, how are you mate?
Here you go, mate, you're good.

Speaker 13 (01:22:16):
Oh.

Speaker 23 (01:22:16):
Well, that person that's sent you that little shitty tex
if he's burning in his bed, I'm sure his parents
told him not to play a matches, so maybe it's
and burning himself from bed. He wants to go on
about the right wing, Well, then you know he's obviously
left hard. But I can't really say that too much. Look,

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we do have large sections of society that live negatively
every day.

Speaker 22 (01:22:45):
Social media, the media.

Speaker 23 (01:22:47):
Athletes have also got a big, big part to play
in that. Because I was listening to the news before
you guys come back. The only positive news story was
in the sports section. Because everything was either about a
pedophile x police commissioner, a teenager was murdered, a tornado
destroying something, and you know what I mean. And social
media like focuses on so much, is repetatively daily the

(01:23:12):
same thing. If it's not Trump, it's someone else, if
it's not Russia and Ukraine and someone else, if it's
the endless Palestinian stuff that's going on, you know, and
that's what drives and that's what makes money because focusing
on the negative stuff all the time. You know, the
most negative people I've ever worked with are people that
have been in the job at a place for fifteen

(01:23:34):
years or more and all they do is they come
to work negative. And I'm a pretty straightforward person.

Speaker 27 (01:23:39):
I tell her how it is.

Speaker 23 (01:23:40):
It's kind of like, well, why are you pissing a moment? Mate,
don't find another job, don't bring everyone else down.

Speaker 21 (01:23:46):
You don't like it, move on.

Speaker 4 (01:23:48):
You know.

Speaker 23 (01:23:49):
The most people positive people that I've ever come across
are people that are doer's, you know, people that have
worked hard and gone out and got something and they
do something. You know, we live in a society where
so many people today in generations and large groups of
society expect everything for nothing, and they blame everyone and
a lot of it comes out of jail, see to

(01:24:09):
like how many how many boomer bashers are out there
beginning because oh well, you know they've got all their
houses and they did also do that. Don't forget the
boom has come from a generation at ft and World
War two and fort World War one. So they raised
their kids to work hard, save money and get out
and go beyond today. You know, if people stop living

(01:24:30):
in the past and stop living their lives on social
media and believing everything that as they said, you know,
it's just that you just get sick of it and
like it's one of you is brought up. We are
living in very different weird times.

Speaker 22 (01:24:45):
You know, like you had you had a conversation and
a topic about you know, as.

Speaker 23 (01:24:50):
Lying good or as lying bad. You know, we're always
brought up you never to lie, you know, and do
stuff like that.

Speaker 20 (01:24:57):
But now we've got people.

Speaker 23 (01:24:59):
Pretending things that they are they are, and openly we're
meant to be accepting people lying. You know, it's just
the whole society, Like New Zealand, Look, what's this government.
It wouldn't matter if they went and spent twenty million
dollars on two new hospitals, people would still be angry
faces on social media. People would be still pissing and

(01:25:21):
moaning about it. Look at our armed forces, I mean
they were using equipment from the Vetnamy rat. The paid
professional people, so they need to pay professional material.

Speaker 5 (01:25:31):
They get new.

Speaker 23 (01:25:31):
Aircraft, new boats, and you've still got people pissuing them
in Oh what about hospitals.

Speaker 25 (01:25:36):
What about this?

Speaker 23 (01:25:37):
We've always had issues about hospitals and our medical care.
Reason why is because our population is getting bigger and
it's fast at around the infrastructure, and it has done.

Speaker 18 (01:25:47):
That for years.

Speaker 23 (01:25:48):
So all the other governments have failed there too, and
they're always seen to be blaming the current government.

Speaker 15 (01:25:54):
So you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
I think did you think that there is we the population?
And of course I am part of the media, so
it probably sounds about hollowing me saying this, But why
do we want because the negative stuff attracts us? Isn't
that kind of our fault as well? Because where our
focuses is where the money goes, right, So we course,
so fear and anger get us motivated to watch things

(01:26:19):
more than happiness and you know, positive stories, so that's
sort of a failing of all of us as a population,
isn't it.

Speaker 23 (01:26:27):
Well, of course it is, because it's we've had it
drummed into us so many times now, you know, it
just becomes natural. You just think, oh, for God, So
what are they winging about?

Speaker 13 (01:26:38):
Now?

Speaker 23 (01:26:39):
You know, you've got people that are professional victims in
the society where where nothing's nothing will please them. It
wouldn't matter, you know, we've gone away.

Speaker 22 (01:26:47):
From reality and common sense and things like.

Speaker 23 (01:26:52):
You know, christ Church is prospering because unfortunately the earthquake
hit and it said so much money bought into it.
It's such a great city. I love christ Church. I'm
not I haven't been there for a while, but there's
been a lot of businesses leave a lot of other
cities to and have gone across Church which have helped it.
And there's a lot of doom and gloom around and
a lot of other cities like you know, I'm from

(01:27:15):
Dunedin and one you use it from Dunedin, I am,
you know, yeah, yeah. And the thing about it is,
I could rattle off a dozen or more names of
big companies that used to be once employed and mega
people and now are all gone. And being shipped to
other towns and centers, and then that has a big
impact on Dnedan society as well.

Speaker 3 (01:27:36):
Definitely, it's that defeatism though, isn't it. That's that you
know that things go wrong with with a lot of
people's lives, and I've had edge shit that's happened in
my life as well. But and I used to be
different when I was younger, and I'd admit that that.
Maybe I did say, you know, the system stacked against
me and woe is me? But I quickly changed that.
The only person who can turn things around is myself.

(01:27:57):
But is that you know when things are going wrong,
do you just roll over and say, uh, woe is me?
Or do you actually stand up and say, n bugger
this for a joke. I'm going to push hard and
change things myself.

Speaker 23 (01:28:08):
Well you have, And that's the thing about it is,
but whenever you push hard and whenever you tell someone
the truth, whether it's reality about a situation or that person,
what's the most common thing today in New Zealand about
two things. You're either in this country if you tell
the truth, you're either a beggar if you tell the truth,
or you don't accept something because you know it's not real.

(01:28:30):
You're either you're either racist, or you're a homophobe, or
you're transgender. That's all the things that now are on.
That's how society runs.

Speaker 13 (01:28:41):
I mean, you walk the.

Speaker 23 (01:28:42):
Wrong way, you get called something, you look different, you
say something about common sense. The thing about is truth
and reality in society today, there's an evil word for
a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
It's interesting you say that, though, Mark, because this person's
texting in saying stop gaslighting us. New Zealand sucks. You
think your words are magic. If you say it's good,
it will be good. Ball there is nothing good.

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
So people are.

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
Saying that what I'm saying is trying to bend reality
by I'm saying that you can change your narrative and
describe something in a positive way, will make it more positive,
as in some way not dealing with reality as it is.

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
What do you say to that?

Speaker 23 (01:29:20):
Oh, look, it's basically just the whole poor me syndrome.
You know what, Times are tough, Times are hard. We've
all got to pull together. And if you don't do it,
and you want to sit back and blame everyone else
because you can't put food on the table, you can't
pay the bills, or you don't get that many lights
on your social media page. Maybe it's time for people
in this country to grow up.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
Thank you for your call, myke powerful call. Oh one
hundred eighty ten to eighty is the number to call
love to get your thoughts about is there a negativity
bias in this country? And if there is, how do
we turn it around? It is twenty past three US talks.
It'd be twenty three pass three, a whole bunch of
techs coming through.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
Getting a better push back on the positivity we're trying
to push here, the positive narrative we're trying to change.
Part of resolving a problem is recognizing a problem and
doing something about it. Is this text just talking it
up and thinking that that is going to cut it?
As a croc don't say do Christ has had huge
investment and that's been fourteen years in the making. Yeah,

(01:30:17):
it was a long time to turn it around before
the narrative started. But it's not about the narrative. Isn't
about not recognizing the challenges. It's about looking at the
challenges and taking them head on because you think it's
worth doing that, you think it's worth saving and it's possible.
So the point of the article that we're talking about

(01:30:39):
here that's in the Herald today as basically, and I'm
paraphrasing and adding my own words to the point of
the article. But if you keep repeating that a place
is a no hope poohole, it will never get better.
If your narrative is we're lucky to be here, this
place has its challenges, but it's amazing and it's worth
fighting for, then maybe you'll fight for it and make

(01:31:01):
it better. Yeah, But if you just constantly run it
down and say it's a no hoper, then you don't
have the motivation exactly. So then you see the problems
just just further evidence of there's no point in doing anything.
Whereas if you have the narrative that we're lucky to
be here, it's got its challenges, but we can make
it better, then you see those problems, you look at

(01:31:22):
the full on and go what can I do to
help solve those problems?

Speaker 5 (01:31:24):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:31:24):
Being in that mindset it makes a big difference.

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
You're still recognizing the problems just as much, but your
just viewers as that you're not giving in to them.
You're saying, well, That's what I've got to focus on
because I think it's worth doing and it's already great,
but we can make it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
Better solving problems. Yeah, absolutely right, taking more of your
calls on OH eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. We're
a little bit late here, but when we come back,
we have a chat with Glenn who reckons New Zealand
is awesome. It is twenty four past three.

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
Matd Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons call OH eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:31:59):
For Good Afternoon due twenty seven past three. Welcome with
the show.

Speaker 2 (01:32:02):
Glenn, your thoughts on New Zealand.

Speaker 27 (01:32:07):
First time caller, enjoy your.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
Thank you, thank you, thank you for listening, thank you
for calling.

Speaker 22 (01:32:12):
No problem.

Speaker 27 (01:32:13):
Bit of history. We came to New Zealand first in
two thousand and four from ninety Mile Beach all the
way down to christ Church East and West Coast to
make sure this is where we wanted to stay. We
went back and came back in twenty eleven to shoot
a film with Peter Jackson in Wellington's. We couldn't extend
our visa so we had to go back to South

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Africa originally and We came back in twenty sixteen with
a job offer and we have been here ten years.
We are now citizens. So I'm half QB. I don't
know if it's the top half or bottom half, but
I'm half q so I'm a half breed. But from
where we come in from this discussion, I've been blessed
to live in five countries. I speak seven languages, and

(01:32:57):
coming to New Zealand and seeing what the rest of
the world's like. I always say to people New Zealand
is like living in a postcard. It is just you
want to be here all the time. We've traveled extensively.
The beach is a great the crime late rate is
rich in nor The fact is you can have a
dog and gold places with it, and every single beach

(01:33:18):
is pristine. Everything works ats first world and my family
and I are now here permanently in our kiwis and
I still support all blacks, and my wife and sons
of the other side of the lounge and throw cushions
at me because they supposed support the spring box. But
there's there's just absolute splendid to live here, and I

(01:33:40):
find we won't have the naysayers that are bitter in
themselves and they won't have something negative to say. But
we've lived in Auckland, We've lived in Smell's Beach, we've
lived in christ Church and in Wellington, and there's nowhere
else I would like my family to be. We brought
our son here so that he's got a future, and
we just gove New Zealand from the top end of

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the Top Island to the bottom end of the South Island.

Speaker 3 (01:34:04):
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
That's so great to hear, Glenn, But you do you
hear a lot of negativity from New Zealanders?

Speaker 3 (01:34:10):
Would they be true to say.

Speaker 27 (01:34:12):
One hundred percent? And generally what I said to them
is I say, suck it up by the cup, make
a change, don't moan about it. If you do nothing
about it, you're owner the right to moan. And most
of them get offended. But what I have found out
is that your mainstream media does have a very negative
slant on everything. And it's obviously sensationalism. We understand that.

(01:34:35):
But if people just take what they want out of
the negative and they don't try and find the positive,
then they're going to just remain in the toilet for
the rest of their lives. And you know if you look,
if you lying fat on your back, you can only
look up Auckland, Queen Street. I love Queen Street. I
don't see what the problem is that people moaning about it.
We love Auckland and the Violet. We we love New Zealand.

(01:34:58):
We now live in christ Church and we are blessed
beyond words. I don't know what people moan. And then
when we have to have to look. As in one
of the African countries I lived in, it was the
first time I've ever experienced poor poppy and then I thought, oh,
that was terrible. Come to New Zealand. I never expected
that that tall poppy is so civil and channel. I

(01:35:20):
don't want to be up strap dress when I talk
about it. I want to encourage people to, hey, you know,
lift your eyes up a bit, look for the good,
and you will find the good. Beautiful New Zealand is
absolt bloody, locally awesome. Everything works, first world, You've got
everything on tap. I mean, the government support to the

(01:35:40):
people is are amazing. And sometimes I think it's maybe
because we've cultured in any state where the government looks
offer us too much and things don't go the way
we want to throw a little kantrum. But yes I
said that people don't show your toys out the cut
you live in You live in a paradise except for
what it is, and if you don't like it, bring
about change.

Speaker 3 (01:36:00):
Well, thank you so much, Glenn. You can ring anytime
mate here. That's the sort of people we need more
Glens in this country. I mean things in a perspective
of that last line. You live in paradise and if
you don't like it, do something about it. Glenn, you're
a great New Zealander. Thank you very much. Oh one
hundred and eighty ten eighty see number of core headlines
with Raleigh.

Speaker 1 (01:36:17):
Next you talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis.

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It's no trouble with a blue bubble.

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Social Investment Agency head Andrew Costa has apologized and resigned
in the fall art from an IPCA report criticizing a
number of senior police management when he was commissioner. The
Veterinary Council has censured and fined Auckland restauranteur Leo Maloy,
who was a practicing VET when he breached a court
suppression order by naming the murderer of backpacker Grace Mulane

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A second seventeen year old is being charged with murder
over the death of a US PhD student at an
Auckland bus stop in April. Catastrophic flooding and landslides after
monsoon rain has killed more than thirteen hundred people in Indonesia,
Sri Lanka, Thailand and Malie Asia. Nearly one thousand are
still missing, with food scarce and no clean water. A

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survey's farm two thirds of Wellingtonians want a second Mont
Victoria tunnel to the airport, and almost three quarters support
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Party chief of staff Andrew Cartels is quitting this month.
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You can see more at Ensen Herald Premium. Now back
to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:37:39):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So we're talking about
negativity bias in New Zealand? Is that a thing? Are
we falling into a trap of beating this country down
instead of looking at the mass of positives there are
for living in New Zealand and a city like Auckland, Oh.
Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number. Helen,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 30 (01:37:58):
Hi, Hi guys. Hey, I'm hell on wheels, Madame Otta hobbiton.
I've got a secret. Yep, don't tell anyone. I have
read and want to promote a book. It's called A
Bust Secret and it's by Rhonda Brian b y r N. Basically,

(01:38:20):
you read it, you can. You can not read it
like a book. You've got different chapters. It basically is
not based on any religion. It teaches you to be
a human, treat people the way you want to be treated,
and everyone will be happy. I've read this book. I

(01:38:42):
keep on going back to it and reading it and
reading it when I'm down.

Speaker 8 (01:38:46):
I read it and you know.

Speaker 30 (01:38:48):
How you sort of wish for a parking place at
the shopping malls and you go to the dentist and
it's like, oh, I'm running late. Is there a parking
in front of the dentist? I say, yes, there will
be a parking in front of the dentist. Yes, there
will be a parking at the shopping mall right outside
whatever short store. And it's at I swear to you
it happens positivema. Lots of people know about it. Half

(01:39:11):
fifty percent. Fifty percent don't believe it. All I'm asking
is to you and your listeners, just try it. Just
go for that car park. My health's improved because I've
read this book. My relationships improved. But we won't go
into that.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
Cool.

Speaker 10 (01:39:26):
It's basically good.

Speaker 30 (01:39:29):
Yeah, the premises just treat people the way you want
to be treated.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
Well, that's a nice yeah. I think I think a
lot of people can take heat on that.

Speaker 4 (01:39:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:39:37):
Yeah, treat people nice if they treat you nice. I
think there's a nice message in that. And who doesn't
want a car park?

Speaker 4 (01:39:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
I mean Oprah was all about the secret, wasn't she?

Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
She was, she loves it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
I think there's a lot to be said for positive affirmation.
If you're looking for things to be bad all the time,
then then you'll notice you'll have a bias to seeing
things being terrible at the time. You know, if you
have a bias where you think that people mistreat you
all the time, then you'll see. There's this this fantastic
study where they addressed there was they happened to be

(01:40:09):
women in the study.

Speaker 3 (01:40:10):
I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
I think it was Harvard study, and so they put
makeup on them and said that you've got a terrible
scar on your face, right, And then they sent them
into these job interviews, the real job interviews, yep, and
the people that had the scars on their faces went
in and said that they were picked on because of
the scar in their face. The people wouldn't even choose
them because of it, that they were prejudiced towards them

(01:40:32):
because they had the.

Speaker 3 (01:40:33):
Scar in their face.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
And then it was revealed that just before they'd gone out,
the last piece of putting the scar on the face
was removing it, right, So they went into the meeting
assuming that they were going to be judged for the
scar in their face, and that was what they came
out of believing had happened.

Speaker 7 (01:40:47):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:40:47):
That is fascinating. What a great study.

Speaker 2 (01:40:49):
Yeah, it's a really interesting thing and a lesson for life.
Whether there are mind bullets that you can send out
into the world that actually alter what's going on, I
don't know. I like some people say that we can
picture our dreams and the universe will provide I don't
know about that. I don't know if worhing can change anything.
And look, the universe is seems to be quite likely

(01:41:09):
to throw challenges your way more than help you. If
there are things that you want to achieve, you probably
have to work for them. Yeah, you know, and make
the right decisions. But you know, you can make things
easier for yourself by learning to sort of handle what
happens and having a more positive attitude to the things
that happen.

Speaker 3 (01:41:29):
I would say definitely, Brendan, We've got about sixty seconds,
my friend. How are you?

Speaker 28 (01:41:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:41:34):
Good, good good?

Speaker 4 (01:41:35):
Hey.

Speaker 13 (01:41:35):
Look. The one thing I come to is I spend
a lot of time overseas coming back to you.

Speaker 16 (01:41:39):
Jim.

Speaker 13 (01:41:39):
New Zealanders are amazing and sabulous, but dishonest with themselves
and their friends in their speech, not dishonest inherently. We
say things like yeah, year Na, you know you're okay,
year and ah, maybe you know. If you're in trouble,
people around you really want to help. And it's amazing
how few times people have said to me when I said, ay,
you're okay, mate, and they've said, actually, no, nice, some help. Yeah,

(01:42:02):
if you ask for help, you'll be staggered how many
people want to give it to you. But you just
have to ask, and you have to be really honest
with yourself. And I think out of everything that I'm
listening to. Communication. We have more access to more amazing
information on Internet now than ever before. Internet's a fire.
You can use it to heat your home or you

(01:42:22):
can use it to burn it down. Go in line,
have a look at some of the great information and yeah, communication,
apply that in your daily life.

Speaker 10 (01:42:31):
Be honest with yourself, be honest with others.

Speaker 13 (01:42:33):
You'll be surprised the response to you.

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
To you, I think, oh, thank you so much for
your cool Brendan, how good? Yeah, some positive you talk.
I've got a bunch of friends from overseas that come
and try and do sales here in New Zealand, and
they say, takes you about a year to realize that
New Zealander is lie to you because they want to
be nice. So they go, yeah, yeah we might, Yeah
you will get back to you on that, Maybe we
will buy that.

Speaker 3 (01:42:52):
Yeah, no, we're interested, yep, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
And you go, just give me a year and no
you're going to be oh, look, I'll get back to
you because I don't want to say knowing And actually
a soft yis that just you know? Or a lack
of no is the worse thing, because you're just bleeding
people out over time.

Speaker 3 (01:43:06):
Yeah, string them along.

Speaker 2 (01:43:07):
Sometimes it's kind of just to say, na, not really
our thing, mate, and then that person can spend their
time you know elsewhere.

Speaker 4 (01:43:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:43:13):
So true, right, good discussion.

Speaker 2 (01:43:16):
Well, yeah, just to sum it up, I think I
think there are people in New Zealand to take a
lot of pressure and pleasure and running things down, complaining
but not doing anything to make things better. And I think,
you know, you have to be realistic, but I think
we need to change the narrative from everything is terrible
and unsolvable to something like, there are challenges, but there
is so much good in this country and we're so

(01:43:39):
lucky to be here, so it is worth fighting to
make it even better something like that, you know what
I mean? Yea, Because it's so easy to run things down.

Speaker 3 (01:43:47):
It is easy.

Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
Yeah, And look at all the abuse that we've got
from for trying to be positive.

Speaker 3 (01:43:52):
Case and points. Yeah, case and point.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
We've been accused of being paid off by a big
brother to try and push a narrative. Yeah, just because
it's so crazy for people to hear people trying to
be positive about something.

Speaker 3 (01:44:02):
But to those people who take through saying yes to
more positivity, you are great Kiwis and you're going to
turn this country around. Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
Yeah, as the stixer said, that's Seph for Glenn is
a great New Zealander.

Speaker 3 (01:44:12):
He was a great man, right, Come it up. Next,
we're gonna have a chat with Alex Powell from the
New Zealand Herald Sports team. Fantastic news overnight, Liam Lawsome, awesome,
Liam Lawson, here's awesome, awesome Lawsome awesome Lawson keeps his
seat for next year. So we'll break that down for
you next eighteen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:44:31):
Have a chat with the lads on eight eighty ten
eighty Matt Heath and Tyler Adams. Afternoons news talk sa'd.

Speaker 3 (01:44:37):
Be very good afternoons quarter two four. So breaking news overnight,
Liam Lawson will remain on the Formula one grid next year.
Red Bull confirmed Lawson will stay on with Red Bulls
sister outfit Racing Balls as the team senior driver. At
a time where Formula one introduces drafts to regulation changes.
To Chap Moore, we're joined once again by Alex Powell,
New Zealand Herald journalist who has been all over this

(01:44:59):
story from day one. Alex, afternoon to you, afternoon boys,
how are we very good?

Speaker 2 (01:45:06):
As you well know, Alex, I have been punishing you
every single day for a very long time for information
on the story and how Liam was going. So was
the seat more solid than we thought it was? Or
is something changed in recent weeks that have secured the
seat for Liam?

Speaker 31 (01:45:21):
I don't think a seat's ever solid. You know, this
is a cutthroat spot in Red Bull are even more
dramatic than that, But given the lack of almost a
better alternative within Red Bull's own ranks, Liam did firm
as the best choice about as early as July. I
remember that we came on and spoke about this and
it basically looked as though Liam was going to get
the nod and partner Lindblad when he came up from

(01:45:43):
F two.

Speaker 2 (01:45:45):
Okay, so how do you rate Liam's season overall? Now
we're looking at it going you know, it's one race
to go.

Speaker 3 (01:45:52):
How do you rate it?

Speaker 2 (01:45:53):
You know, obviously we had the two races at the start,
maybe we don't need to talk about those, but since
he's been in racing bills.

Speaker 31 (01:45:59):
Look, I think he has actually just quietly had a
very good season. You saw, you know, you look at
the comparisons made with Yuki Sanoda, who was battling that
seat for well, Liam has actually scored more points this
season than Yuki has scored in a single season in
his career, So with that on board, you'd have to
say he's done very well. The issue is that his
teammates done even better, so he doesn't look that good

(01:46:20):
in comparison. But I think he will be as happy
as he can be given everything that had happened leading
into it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:27):
Yeah, now, Alex, I know you and Heath deep into
the F one situation. But these regulation changes, what are
they next year? And Liam's going to have a part
to play with designing the car?

Speaker 2 (01:46:37):
Is that right?

Speaker 31 (01:46:39):
Liam is very good at aiding in continent. So basically
the way that you build the car, the formula as
it is is changing completely, so cars it will have
to be completely different from what they are the show.
I won't get too tap on that because I'll let
Matt do it. I know he's actually really good at
explaining that stuff. But yeah, Liam's record in developing cars,
not just with racing laws but with Redbour in his
years as the test and reserve driver is actually really good.

(01:47:02):
That's why they see such value in him. You think
of the commercial side of formula and how prevalent it
actually is. Liam has next to no commercial backing. You know,
he doesn't come from a huge country with a population
in the hundreds of millions. So this is one of
the main reasons why they like him so much, and.

Speaker 2 (01:47:17):
And it'll also be a huge advantage for Limb as
well to be you know, had a year with the team,
most of the year with the team, and then a
pre season with the team and feel comfortable going into
it and be the senior driver in the situation next year.
Surely that's you know, we don't talk about solid, but
a reasonably solid position from the being.

Speaker 31 (01:47:36):
Yeah, it's not something he's done too often, go back
to the same team more than one year in a row.
Scott McLaughlin, the KWE IndyCar driver, actually spoke really well
on the same thing. That is, when you go back
to you know, you go back for another year in
the same division. It's not just knowing all the race
tracks that actually helps you out. It's knowing the city
that you're in, the hotel, the restaurant, and it actually

(01:47:57):
feels so much more comfortable in the environment and so
Liam is going to have that this year. You think
about places like Brazil and Katara in Las Vegas, where
he actually returned this year after racing their last year,
and he had proved, you know, Brazil was one of
the drives of his life guitar the other day he
just stayed out of trouble and did a really professional job.
So now he's going to be going back to the

(01:48:17):
circuit of you know, all of the circuits next year,
and we'll have experience on every single one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:48:22):
Now, the big thing is the last race. Where are
the points sitting in the driver's championship for the end
of the season.

Speaker 31 (01:48:30):
So landon Iris is twelve points Clariamaxi Stepan and what
fourteen fifteen points ahead of his teammate Oscar Pstree.

Speaker 2 (01:48:37):
So essentially, if Lando podiums, he wins the whole thing.

Speaker 31 (01:48:43):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:48:44):
And so we're looking at a really interesting proposition. I
think where you've got Oscar in the in P one
two or three and Lando, let's say P four, would
they then the McLaren teams swap them over and let
and we'll do the championship And if the call went out,

(01:49:05):
would Oscar PSD do it because he seems like a
bit of sulky half man at the moment.

Speaker 31 (01:49:11):
Well, let's not forget Oscar Pistrick did do that last year.
McLaren did pull him aside and tell them that they
need to put everything into land and ice. But this
year they've kind of painted themselves into a corner by
not doing that. You know, we even saw in Katar
last week they had the chance to have Oscar or
so Lando Iras out in front and hold Max the
staffing up to let Piastre catch up on fresh tires,
but then they just put it Norris anyway, So it

(01:49:32):
really looks like they are trying as hard as they
can to just not favor a driver, but it could
cost them the title.

Speaker 3 (01:49:38):
Yeah woo exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
Max is like a he's like a predator and horror movie,
just hunting those McLaren's down and he's more popular than
ever from doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:47):
Hey yeah, Alex, you're at the cricket. What's happening?

Speaker 31 (01:49:51):
So we've just reached the tea break. The Western neither
about one hundred and twenty odd for five. It's bloody
cold here. I don't know what I said has actually
made any sense I am so cold trying to just
say coherent sentences.

Speaker 3 (01:50:03):
Yeah, it's tough in the south, mate, but what a
great oval overund Well up here it's basically midnight here
in Auckland. It's so dark from some kind of strange,
ominous cloud, so you know you're not missing much up here.

Speaker 31 (01:50:15):
Well, I'll come see you boys next week and hopefully
they have it better look.

Speaker 3 (01:50:18):
Forward to it, Alex. Always good to check with you, mate,
Go well for the rest of the cricket and we'll
catch you back here soon. That is Alex Powell en
Zied Herald sports journalist and just briefly Abu Dhabi this weekend.
So some of those times it's a little bit I'll
see you pretty good time, isn't it so? Pre race
twelve thirty am on the Monday and then the big

(01:50:40):
event one fifty five, I think, am I'm just looking
at the Sky Sport coverage.

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
I'm so excited that Liam's got the seat. It's been
it's been a huge source of anxiety for me.

Speaker 3 (01:50:51):
Over the year. You've been a happy man. It's just
I just I just feel so.

Speaker 2 (01:50:55):
Good about twenty twenty six on a number of reasons.

Speaker 3 (01:50:57):
Now talking about positivity. It is nine minutes to four
beg very shortly the.

Speaker 1 (01:51:02):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Adams afternoons used Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 3 (01:51:11):
News Talk ZB It is six to four. Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:51:15):
Thank you so much for listening to the show boy
Boy pretty much three hours of positivity.

Speaker 3 (01:51:20):
Good times. Yeah, that's what we need in this country.

Speaker 26 (01:51:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:51:23):
And you have to have positivity in your heart when
you talk about positivity because get a lot of abuse
for it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:29):
Con certainly do nine two is a negativity machine sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:51:32):
But thanks so much for listening one and thanks for
the calls on eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It has
been a fantastic three hours. The podcast will be up
in an hour or so. The Great New Zealand to
Hear the Do It for Ce Allen is up next
with your drive show. But right now, Tyler, why am
I playing this song from nineteen ninety one?

Speaker 3 (01:51:50):
I love this song? I got no idea who sings that?
What's the name of the.

Speaker 2 (01:51:53):
Bends chumber Wamba Jumper wabab Because we had almost three
hours of great positivity chat.

Speaker 3 (01:52:02):
But you know, getting knocked down, you've got to get
up there, severe, face those challenges. Get on dear rap challenges,
New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (01:52:08):
But you gotta get up.

Speaker 3 (01:52:10):
Great choice, great June.

Speaker 2 (01:52:12):
First thing that nightaway is a pretty weird line though,
You've got to say, all right, you seem busy. Will
let you go until tomorrow. Give me a taste of
key with you Tyler, and I love you.

Speaker 4 (01:53:29):
Man, Heathan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 1 (01:53:31):
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