Full Show Podcast: 03 November 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you, great New Zealanders, Welcome to podcast two three
four for Monday, the third of November. So Matt's off
this week, he'll be back next week. So it was
just me flying solo. Had some great chats about roads
and tolls, this new eighteen billion dollar Auckland to Northland Expressway.

(00:36):
Wayne Brown's not happy. He's not happy about a lot
of things in life, is he. But there was some
great chat and then it was we dug deep into
the Dame no Lean toad or saga, and there was
some pretty feisty calls. Actually, you got to listen out
for Heather. She was fired up at me and at
a lot of other people, but she was great. So download,
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(00:59):
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Speaker 1 (01:02):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between them. Matty and Taylor Adams afternoons News.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Talk said they a very very good afternoon to you.
Welcome into Monday. Hope you had a fantastic weekend. The
weather was pretty amazing in most parts of the country,
certainly up here in Auckland, so I hope it was
pretty good where you are too. Just a heads up.
Matt's my mate. He is off of this week but

(01:31):
he will be back next week, so just me flying
solo until Friday. But really great to have your company
as always, big big show for you today as we
always do after three o'clock. Really keen to have a
chat about getting into trouble in strict and sketchy country
Southeast Asia, South America, parts of the Middle East, parts

(01:51):
of Europe. This is after a Kiwi. His name is
Anthony D. Mallamonch. He was arrested in Bali in December
twenty fourteen after allegedly carrying one point seven kilograms of
methamphetamine in his backpack and was sentenced to fifteen years
under Indonesian law. And we all know they don't muck
around when it comes to drugs in Indonesia. He's pleaded

(02:12):
not guilty and he claims he was duped by an
online lover scam and he's now got health issues with
being in a harsh prison environment. He is calling on
the government to do a deal and allow him to
return home at the moment, he is screaming into the void,
and it doesn't look like he's going to get any
help from our government anytime soon. But I want to
take it a bit broader, and we've already had so

(02:33):
many texts comes through on nine two nine two. Have
you ever found yourself on the edge of serious trouble
while traveling in a country with those strict laws and
how did that experience change the way you think about
those countries? The risk, the personal responsibility. It's well known
you don't put a foot out of line when you're
in the likes of Southeast Asia, but can you get

(02:54):
your stories of almost getting banged up abroad? That is
after three o'clock, After two o'clock, The big news story
when it comes to sport is Dame Nolan, total is
Ferns coach at the center of the storm that's rocked
New Zealand netball. After weeks of silence, has publicly spoken

(03:14):
this morning with Mike Coskin and a few others, and
what she said, or perhaps what she didn't say, has
only deepened the mystery of what the hell went on.
So Dame Nolen revealed she was stood down from her
role without being told the full reasons why. She said
there was no formal investigation, no clear communication, and that
the process has been, in her words, horrific. The Silver

(03:38):
Fern's reputation has of course taken a massive hammering, and
New Zealand netball sponsors are uneasy and fans continue to
be very very confused. Netball New Zealand says it's always
been about culture and player welfare, but right now all
we see is just simply chaos. Right so after two

(03:59):
o'clock one have a chat or the question I want
to put to you is is this the worst pr
stuff up in New Zealand sport history? Looking forward to
that after two o'clock. But right now, let's have a
chat about wildly expensive roads in New Zealand. So Auckland
Mayor Wayne Brown, he has come out swinging again, this

(04:20):
time over the proposed eighteen billion dollar Auckland to Northland Expressway.
So Brown says the project is way too expensive for
what it delivers and that as a country and our
government they should be looking at cheaper, smarter upgrades. He said,
and I quote here the cost of fifteen billion to
eighteen billion means this road could cost two hundred million

(04:43):
to two hundred and forty million per kilometer. Two hundred
and forty million dollars per kilometer. That compares to seventy
three million dollars per kilometer for the Pooh Hooy to
walk Worth Highway. And I'm sure you can recall when
those figures were made public there was a lot of
outrage saying, how in the how could a road be

(05:03):
that expensive? So this is double that, a little bit
more than double that. So enz TA and the government
they have hit back at that criticism. They say the
cost reflects safety, resilience and long term investment. And with
funding tight, they are signaling there's going to be more
tolls and there's going to be higher road user charges

(05:23):
to make it all happen. So really keen to hear
your thoughts on this, the price, in the cost it
takes us here in New Zealand to construct these so
called super highways. Are you okay with this fifteen to
eighteen billion dollar price tag for this Auckland and Northland Expressway?
And if you are, are you okay that it's going

(05:44):
to be told highly likely it has been suggested by
the government that it's going to need a toll road
and those higher road charges to pay for the whole thing.
Oh on one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number
to call when nine two ninety two is the text number.
We have been loathed to accept toll roads in this
country for a couple of reasons. Traditionally, highways have been
funded through fuel tax and road user charges, not direct

(06:07):
toll and politically, tolls are unpopular, especially when taxpayers already
fun rolls through general taxes. Totaling only works when there's
a clear alternative, a clear alternative route. You can't legally
toll a road if it's the only way to travel,
So there's a couple of challenges there when it comes
to the toll roads. But I think if we're serious

(06:28):
about paying for these multi billion dollar expressways, if you
think it's needed, and clearly the government does and many
other people say it's vital that we have a good
expressway access way into Northland for freight, obviously for passengers,
there's multiple reasons for that expressway to be constructed to
make it easier to access that part of the country.

(06:50):
Then do we have to accept we're going to have
to pay morepho tolls, more photoles and more of them
which is effectively a user pays situation. Or do you
think we just pay far too much for the infrastructure.
We've got to actually ask questions about why why is
it going to cost between fifteen and eighteen billion dollars
their mind? That's already a massive gap. Might not sound

(07:11):
like a massive gap, but that's three billion dollars, so
that's the current estimate. Do we actually need to start
asking the question why is it so drastically expensive to
create infrastructure in New Zealand? Bearing in mind that the
puh Hoyd of Walkworth Highway cost seventy three million dollars
per k, this one two hundred million per k. So

(07:33):
I love to get your thoughts on this one. I
hade hundred eighty ten eighty tolling. Are you four? Or again?
Is this the only way we're going to be able
to pay for these roads and infrastructure? Get on the phones.
I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number?
And nine two nine to two is the text number.
It is thirteen past one.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
talks that'd.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Be afternoon, g U sixteen past one. So we're talking
about the proposed eighteen up to eighteen billion dollar Auckland
and Northland Expressway and can to hear from you about
why we pay these ridiculous figures for these super highways?
Is that a fair cost to pay for this particular project?
And when it comes to toll roads, the government has

(08:21):
single signal that that is going to be the way
that we're probably going to pay for these roads. Is
that fair enough? Is there need to be some more
user pays toll roads and road user charges up and
down the country. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is that number to call? Get a greg.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Mate?

Speaker 4 (08:36):
How are you today?

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Very good? Nice to hear from you personally.

Speaker 5 (08:41):
Mate.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
I think that the best thing we can do. I
genuinely mean this is get into sect and keep them
well away from it and don't let it. I can
transport any in you look, if you look around the
world at some of the engineering projects make you really
do have to ask the question what is going on
here in this country?

Speaker 6 (08:58):
You know?

Speaker 7 (08:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (09:00):
One of the norm we know one of the Nordic
countries is they're building a road that's about six hundred
klimeters long through fiords. They're putting in floating underground tunnels
and it's costing sixty eight billion dollars and six hundred
klometers wrong, And I mean that's an engineering fee. If
you go to Turkey and you have a look at

(09:21):
the bloody massive big bridge they built about four kilometers
long that goes across they complained that about one thing
that cost overruns and it was two and a half
billion dollars. You know, we're talking about ten billion to
build Auckland Harbybridge now. The only thing I can think
of there's far too many people clipping the ticket and
getting nothing, getting money for doing absolutely nothing because the

(09:44):
people doing the job working, they're not getting five hundred
bucks an hour, are they?

Speaker 8 (09:48):
You know?

Speaker 4 (09:49):
And so it's and in the toll roads really bikes
me because in Taro, once they finished to take a
teamer north and ride their building Tarror, I'll have three
of the five toll roads in the country.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah, you guys get slammed, and no doubt about it,
you get absolutely slammed on the toll roads.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
I wrote to Somnim Brown about that and he says, oh, well,
let's just put them. I said no, No, On a second, bro,
I see, why should we tearing here? I'm not in
tering A, But why should they get three of the
five tollrads in the country at the moment. It's just
unreasonable and unfair. And yeah, we've got to pay for
it somehow, But eighteen billion dollars, mate, is just completely

(10:29):
and utterly ridiculous. Gon't ask the Chinese to come.

Speaker 9 (10:33):
In and build it.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
Pay them five billion and they'll take home four billion
dollars profit.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah. And there's the thing, isn't it, Greg That if
it's going to cost fifteen to eighteen billion dollars to
construct this expressway and then they're talking about more tolls.
I've actually got no problem with tolls. I say, bring
them on. User pays to me, makes a lot of sense.
But if you're going to waste billions of dollars unnecessarily
on these types of roads, then I mean they can
toll us to the cows come home. It's never going

(10:58):
to be enough, is it.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
No, it's just ridiculous, mate, It genuinely isn't. I mean,
I don't know. I'd love to see the cost is
you look at transmission Galley. They never once asked the
locals what they needed to do to make the road workable.
They just got people in and built it and they
had no idea that the substructure wasn't up to any standard.

(11:22):
And what's happening. It's costing hundreds of millions of dollars
for apperiod already, yeah, a couple of years old. It's
just crazy.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Very well, there's what rosmey greg is there even fifteen
to eighteen billion dollars and that's a massive gap. Three billion.
But I could almost almost be okay with that if
it was going to stay at that level, and it
never does. I mean, look at the CURL for goodness sake,
but any major project I can think of in New Zealand,
when they give the initial budget, it goes over by
about thirty percent.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
Well that's right there. It's worse than that, mate. Like
if you look at the Hamilton Bypass road on the
east side, right, it was two years late and on
their figures that equated to an extra two hundred and
ten million dollars and lost productivity and just lay they
driving through town. Now they don't account for that, and
you can bet bottom dollar if they start up moving

(12:09):
that road to alful. It won't be five or six years,
It'll be fifteen.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Years, exactly, mate, exactly. Greg. Nice to hear from you
and thoughts and prayers to the people of Torongo who
absolutely get told up the wazoo. If you are in Totrong,
I love to hear from you. How are the tolls
working and do you generally believe that money has been
ring fenced to go back into your region, because that's
another element to it, right, that it's a user pay system,
a toll. So you go through the likes of the

(12:34):
pouh hoy to Walkworth road and you pay your toll.
You're hoping most of that goes to paying for the
cost of that particular infrastructure piece of infrastructure. Whether that
is happening, I believe for the most part it is.
But certainly that is a necessary part of having tolls
that you want it to go back to the road
that you're driving on. Right, can you get your views

(12:55):
on this one though, oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty just on the cost. So the government in Mzta
do say that a lot of it is around safety
aspects and that resilience element is around protecting the road
from slips, etc. That sort of thing. So that's the payoff.
They say that if we want expressways where you can
go one hundred and ten and feel pretty safe and

(13:18):
it's going to be protected from weather events and slaps,
then we've got to pay a high price. So how
do you feel about that? I mean, you've got to
get the balance right, don't you? Between safety and cost?
Can you get your views? One hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number? It is twenty one past one.
Back in a.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Month, the headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic
asking breakfast.

Speaker 10 (13:38):
Welcome back?

Speaker 11 (13:39):
Can I public to start by thanking you on behalf
of my south, the family and actually the neipbook community
for keeping the home buyers burning, so to speak. I'm
elated to be back, and it feels like game day.
If I'm going to be honest.

Speaker 10 (13:50):
Good, do you sit here this morning happy and vindicated?
Or is there more to it?

Speaker 4 (13:54):
Look?

Speaker 11 (13:54):
I do sit here feeling happy. I don't take my
role lightly. I feel I'm a guardian as a head
coach number eleven, and I don't own it the.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Fact you're back but not back?

Speaker 10 (14:05):
Are you happy about that?

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Look?

Speaker 11 (14:07):
I'm back? Probably the thing that I that I'm holding.

Speaker 10 (14:10):
On to back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking
Breakfast with a Vita News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Hello to your great Devut company is always. It's twenty
four past one and we're talking about the proposed Auckland
and Northway Expressway. So the quota cost is between fifteen
point three billion to eighteen point three billion, So that
means this road could cost two hundred to two hundred
and forty million dollars per kilometer. Now compare that with

(14:36):
the Pooh Hooy to Walkworth Highway that was seventy three
million dollars per kilometer. That is a massive cost increase
in it was opened. The Pouh Hoy to Walkworth Highway
was opened in June twenty twenty three, So in two
years time that has more than doubled. Does that sound

(14:57):
right to you? O? Eight hundred eighty ten eighty and
toll roads? Do we need to accept that should be
a part of our future yet? A Mike, how are
you here?

Speaker 12 (15:05):
Hi?

Speaker 13 (15:05):
Good afternoon, Tyler?

Speaker 2 (15:06):
How are you very good? My friend? What are reck well?

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Well?

Speaker 14 (15:10):
First and foremost, how is your sidekick all right? Just
on holiday?

Speaker 5 (15:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (15:15):
He's all right, mate, he's just having the week off
but he'll be back next week. Missing him. But yeah,
now he's he's got a couple of days off, but
he'll be returning very soon.

Speaker 13 (15:24):
Oh that's good.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (15:25):
No, I haven't looked too closely at this new press
release on the the expressway up to Northland, but and
these new costings do seem quite expensive. I guess, well,
we don't have any control over that, and you know
how the clue works and money and things. But basically

(15:46):
I'm all for it, and I can use a case
here in East Auckland for as an example. But if
the expressway provides safer and faster transport up to Northland,
then that's great for everyone. And I think we need

(16:07):
to remember but that the people who plan this, they
do have a lot of foresight in terms of what's
happening in the future, opening up Northland for more housing,
possibly even moving the major port in Auckland up north
to fong Array, So you're going to get you know,

(16:29):
a lot, a lot faster movement of goods and things
from the port up there if it does move. So
we don't know all this, but obviously, yeah, there's a whole.

Speaker 13 (16:38):
Lot of.

Speaker 14 (16:40):
Future planning that we don't really know about that they
incorporate into things like this, So yeah, I'm all for it.
And toll roads, well, you know, if it means a
quicker journey, and if it's like the tunnel they've got
there up by Walkworth, where you've got two options. One
is to go through o Rewa and take a lot

(17:03):
longer to get there and not pay the toll and
use more gas which is more expensive. Or the flip
side is pay the toll, get where you're going up
north faster and save money on guess well, yeah, well
hope there's going to be two options, but who knows.

Speaker 13 (17:18):
Yeah, but yeah, if it's safer that that's much better.

Speaker 14 (17:20):
But the case I use in Auckland and East Aukland
Pakeringa is and that this has only just been completed
in the last few weeks is the Eastern Corridor busway
and that's been in the pipe that's been under construction
and then the pipeline for more than fifteen years and
that was at as three kilometers basically, and that was

(17:43):
a billion dollars and they brought up I don't know,
I'm guessing about one hundred houses around the area to
make way for it, and it's taken a long time,
but it's absolutely incredible. And then they've got the passover
from the packering of Plaza which goes through to the
Eastern Corridor and the bridge over the Tamaki History to

(18:07):
get to the motorway. And believe, believe you me for
the last few years from packering from close to how
it down to pack oringer couple kilometers of road it
would take it would be about half an hour for
two kilometers waiting in the morning and use of traffic
just to get on the motorway. And now that this
passover has opened up recently, it's just a dream. It's

(18:30):
a pleasure.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Well, and that's good to hear, Mike. I've been on that,
you know that that particular bypass on many occasions at
rush hour when I was living in Mount Wellington, and
you're right, it was an absolute dog and they needed
to do something to open that up. And it's a
it's a good thing they have. But a billion dollars
for three k I get it's done now. Everybody's happy.
The price is the price, But surely you've got a question,

(18:55):
you know, a billion dollars per kilometer that is that
is crazy money.

Speaker 14 (19:00):
Yeah, well, there's been a huge amount of changes to
the environment there with extra bustling and a bridge that
would have been expensive. Oh and oh yeah, all sorts.
It was just a shame that the Packering warehouse, because
of the passover over the bridge construction for the last

(19:21):
few years, they had to close down. They had to
move out because they reduced customers.

Speaker 13 (19:24):
But the funny this.

Speaker 14 (19:26):
Is a funny thing, but back in January this year,
for there's six lanes in the Packering Highway and someone
did that many men, like thirty forty years ago, and
they were very onto it to put three lanes either
side out to Hawick. Six lanes. You don't see that
anywhere else in Auckland. But they buy the packering and

(19:49):
shopping center. Over January they closed it up to basically
one lane either side. People were away.

Speaker 13 (19:55):
We moved through.

Speaker 14 (19:56):
And I thought, I was thinking to myself because I
go through there every day for work, and I thought,
oh gosh, this is going to be a nightmare as
soon as the school starts and the first of February
and everyone's back.

Speaker 13 (20:05):
But I'll tell you, I kid you not.

Speaker 14 (20:07):
The very same day that Monday, did everything return to normal?
Everything got widened up, and I thought, this is this
is I can't believe. This is amazing. And then you
look at exactly where it's happening, and Simeon Brown's Electric
office is overlooking that entire scene, right next door to it,
and I thought, oh, okay, well, yeah, obviously constructions trying

(20:29):
to impress Simeon and yeah they've managed to behave themselves
because they don't want to annoy the big guy.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah, but no, not fair enough, Mike. We've got the
headlines hot on our tail. But you reckon a wise
decision to build it right the first time, even if
it is going to be between fifteen to eighteen billion dollars.
And I think Mike's bang on. If you're going to
build an expressway, you need it to be one hundred
and ten k's an hour, and it is it's a
necessary thing. You're going to need it for freight moving
into Northland. It is a key excess way that we

(21:01):
need to get to have it more accessible and to
be faster to get up into parts of Northland and
vice versa. But I want to hear what it would
cost if some of those safety and resilience measures perhaps
were lessened somewhat because whether you're okay with a situation

(21:22):
where it's not going to be one hundred and ten
kilometer highway, so that means they don't have to spend
potentially hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars more
on safety measures. Is that a balance that you'd be
okay with if it ends up costing half what it's
going to cost now, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number to call? Headlines with Ray Lean
and back? Very surely, hope you hope you're having a

(21:43):
good afternoon.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
News talk.

Speaker 15 (21:46):
Sa'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis it's no trouble
with a blue bubble. A twenty seven year old woman's
been found dead by searchers after failing to return from
a tramping expedition at the West Coast Fox River. She
set off on Thursday and was reported over due on Saturday.
Record numbers of people made Key We Save a Hardship

(22:07):
withdrawal in September, with more than five and a half
thousand withdrawing a total forty eight point nine million dollars.
Public Trust says applications have tripled. On previous years. Another
measles case confirmed in Auckland over the weekend with a
link to overseas travel that brings the nationwide total to seventeen.

(22:28):
A petition has been launched asking to party MALDI president
John Tomaheery to resign. It's authored by Te Taitonga electorate executive.
Two men aged eighteen and twenty years old will be
back in court this month allegedly found in Auckland's Northcote
early Thursday with items stolen from cars from across Auckland.

(22:49):
More charges are likely. A posh Auckland doggy daycare has
been ordered to close, but will it read more at
ensid Herald Premium. Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Thank you very much, Raylan, and we are talking about
the proposed Auckland to Northland Expressway. At the moment, it's
proposed to cost somewhere between fifteen eighteen billion dollars. Wayne
Brown he isn't happy with that. He thinks that's far
too expensive and I'd have to agree with him on
that front, and he would like to see some more
proposals on ways that you can reduce the cost of

(23:22):
that particular highway to give it some context. He did
the mass and he's worked out it's going to cost
with those figures around two hundred million to two hundred
and forty million per kilometer, and that compares to seventy
three million dollars per kilometer for the Pouh Hooy to
Walkworth Highway. So that is a massive increase, more than double,
almost triple if it's up at the upper region of

(23:42):
those cost estimates. So can you hear from you, particularly
if you're an engineer or if you're if you work
in the roading side of things. Where are these cost
explosions coming from? Is this just the nature of a
cost increases in material and labor? Are the engineering concerns
and challenges that existed up in Northland that aren't so

(24:05):
much in other parts of the country. Love to get
your expertise. Oh one hundred eighty eight is the number
to call. Ste How are you doing.

Speaker 9 (24:14):
Very well? Thank you? I'm just bringing them on the
subject of building highways and the cost of health and safety.
I think health and safety when you look at the
compounding effect that all areas of it, like even on
road construction. For going back to quarry management, where a

(24:35):
lot of the raw materials come from. It's it's probably
miles more than the actual cost for most other things.

Speaker 7 (24:44):
Yea.

Speaker 9 (24:44):
And so back in the old days, the Ministry Works
used to build a lot of very important strategic highways
to the government. Yes, and they had expertise, but they
were duty bound and there wasn't legislation in the way
with health and safety, et cetera to do it at
the affordable cost.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
It's a tricky sorry do you carry out.

Speaker 9 (25:07):
No, no, no, it's a two discussion is.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah, I'm just gonna I was just going to say
that's a tricky one because you bang on that. There
has been more regulations and red tape that has come
into across the board realistically, but certainly when it comes
to infrastructure construction, and those regulations and red tape just
weren't there during the Ministry of workstays and a lot
of people hark back to that is being very successful

(25:31):
and getting infrastructure built. And I don't think they're wrong,
but you are liable now if there has been something
constructed and it goes wrong or God forbid, and this
is the worst case scenario of course, collapses because it
wasn't engineered properly, and they tried to cut costs. Nobody
wants that, And that's the tricky part, right, is that

(25:54):
you need to make sure you tick those boxes to
ensure that this infrastructure is safe and people can use
it for a long time, versus maybe what they do
in some parts of the world where they don't construct
those standards.

Speaker 9 (26:09):
Well, yes, but not at all costs. So health and
safety is something that can be introduced without harving any cost.
It's constructing the traveling public. For example, to travel safely,
you don't have to put up a whole lot of cones.
You just put up a couple of cones and the
sign saying driver beware. There is a construction the head.

(26:31):
But you know you have when you're traveling on the road,
you see thousands of cones, and you see all these
vehicles with all these safety hats and most of them
on cell phones all the time. That's where the money's going,
and it holds up construction. You know, health and safety
is centered around good roads, good construction at the right

(26:52):
price so that we can get on with the rest
of what has to be done. So that's just my message.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
No, it's a good message to do. You think it
can be done with this expressway and still keep it
to one hundred and ten kilometers an hour at the
upper level, because that's the government and ed ZTA are
saying with these new super highways or expressways that if
we want them to be up to one hundred and
ten k's an hour, then there's an added cost to

(27:19):
ensure that safety.

Speaker 9 (27:22):
Well, at the end of the day, I think the
lack of safetyople are not having the affordability of the
highways is our biggest health and safety risk. So if
we build them properly and so that transmission gully phane,
you know, like at the end of the day, that
should have been done properly to start us and it

(27:42):
should have been done in a quarter of the amount
of time at top to two. But now it's going
it's going to cost as much again probably yes, the
inconvenience of it.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yes, ju great to get your thoughts and expertise. Thank
you very much for giving me a buzz. Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Love
to get your thoughts about the cost of infrastructure. When
you're looking at upwards of eighteen billion dollars for this
Auckland and Northland Expressway, but also the idea of toll
roads is do we need to accept more toll roads

(28:13):
across New Zealand when it comes to infrastructure, because we've
long been loath to accept the idea of toll roads.
There's a couple of reasons for that. Clearly they are unpopular.
We pay for infrastructure through fuel tax and through road
user charges, which is fast changing, of course, and you
have to have an alternative highway. So all of those

(28:34):
things combined it does push back against the idea of
toll roads. But the government says more coming. So what
do you say, really, can you get your thoughts? Ninety two?
Ninety two is that text number? It is nineteen to two.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
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Speaker 2 (28:56):
It's sixteen to two and we're talking about the proposed
cost of the Auckland Northland Expressway. The proposed cost at
the moment, can you believe this fifteen billion to eighteen billion.
Wayne Brown isn't happy, thinks it's way too expensive and
there should be other options looked at to try and
reduce that cost. But the government has signaled the idea
of toll roads and of course road user charges, increasing

(29:19):
toll roads and road user changes to help pay for
some of this infrastructure. They say, we need what do
you say, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
that number? Ted? How are you?

Speaker 15 (29:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (29:29):
Good day mate. I just want to just you're earlier
on you mentioned about the walk with the new motorway there.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yep, the poohoy to walk with you.

Speaker 16 (29:44):
Yeah, being told well, when they when they when they
were building that and they were discussing tolls, it was
a big steak kicked up about about tolling it, and
they said, no, no, we're going to drop the toll.
We won't toll it. The tolls that you're paying are
basically from over were to the tunnel, and but by

(30:05):
as der fault because you drive straight onto the new motorway,
everyone thinks that the motorway is told so, and then
the proposal to toll the new motorway nor I think
is wrong because if they want to toll the new
motorway going north, then they must start having a look

(30:28):
as told in the Holiday Highway going South, HM the
bomb Bays, the Tower po and Rhode Vegas.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah. Well, I mean that's that's the question, Ted, I mean,
would you would you be opposed to that? And to
come back and just clarify my position on that is
that you look at international city, say Sydney for example,
told up the Wazoo. There's so many tolls in and
out of that city and there's not too many people
grizzling about. That is some of the Texas are coming

(30:55):
through insane. And that's the same in pretty much any
major city around the world that that toll roads and
sections of toll roads are not uncommon. So is that
something we need to start accepting a bit more here
in New Zealand that, like you say, there may be
sections on this new new toll road, so you pay
for the first section and if if you stop off

(31:16):
and walk worth then you don't pay any more. But
if you carry on, then you pay a little bit
more per section that you go through.

Speaker 16 (31:23):
Yeah, but I think you know they've got to be
they've got to make it your new form. If they're
going to toll the toll that the new road going
up to Ponger eight, then they definitely must look a
toll in everything that goes south from the Bombay's.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
South would you before that, Ted, just on that question.

Speaker 16 (31:42):
If it's essential that we have to have tolls to
pay for the new road and my Callyween needs that
road north, if that's the only way we're going to
get it, then we have to accept the toll. But
I would only accept the toll if they agreed to
toll the roads going south.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
I mean, like anything, Ted, and whether we get this,
but if they're going to propose more tolls, and I'm
not necessarily against them, but with the road user charges coming,
and then it needs to be fear and transparent that
if we're paying in tolls, then we need a discount
on the road user charges or just get rid of
tolles altogether and wack it onto the road user charges.

Speaker 16 (32:20):
Yeah, well either way, Yeah, you're you're you're right. And
the other thing that concerns me is the timeline that
they've given in this this next bit of road, like
five years or six years. You know, overseas they build
motorways a lot faster than what they're doing here. Why

(32:40):
can't we get overseas you know people then to do it.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
It's a great question. Yeah, there's a few takes coming
in that regard that. Apparently, and if you've got expertise,
and this love to hear from you, but apparently, Ted,
it's our geology, and particularly that stretch of highway, there
are fault lines to consider, which makes it a lot
more expensive. As you can imagine too, in case there

(33:04):
is an earthquake, there are you know, there are unstable,
unstable parts of of the hills that need to be
taken into considerations. So that's just what the Texas are saying.
Whether that is accurate compared to what they do overseas,
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (33:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (33:22):
Well, you know, the other thing that they're talking about,
although no one's mentioned it, is the is the railway
line from mars to Marsden Points. That's that is essential
for the growth of northern so the Fork can expand
and create more jobs and people, a lot of more

(33:43):
people will move north. And what happened the roadway and
the railway is sufficient, and what.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Happened to that, Ted, didn't New Zealand first didn't they
have a suggestion that more should be pumped into that
particular railway.

Speaker 16 (34:00):
Yeah, I believe they did. I believe they did and
I think they've done they've done studies on it, and
they've here marked here it's got a take, but I haven't.
I haven't actually heard about any action being taken as
of late.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
It's a good point ed. I'll look into that and
see if I can get some up to that information.
But you're spot on. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number to call toll roads in the
cost of new express ways? Do you think we pay
too much for infrastructure in New Zealand? Love to hear
from you. It's eleven to two.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Matd Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heath and Taylor
Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Be it is eight minutes to two, kid Sean, how
are you?

Speaker 6 (34:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (34:46):
Good mate, Tyler.

Speaker 17 (34:48):
I don't think we can actually compare the pricing for
the wolf Walkworth section with the two next pieces, because
you've got to get over that Dome Valley and then
you've got to get over the brend Dowans and there's
a lot of bridges, a lot of cutings, which is
going to put the price up. The other thing is

(35:09):
that anything to do with State Highway one. We've always
talked about having four lanes from one end of the
country to the other. You have a change of government
and I'm looking in the rare vision mirror right now
at around about just north of Fong Ray. It's still
not finished after seven years and two governments.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yeah. Yeah, that's the worry, isn't it. I mean yeah,
I mean spoke first off your spot on on the
geographical challenges with those two segments going further north, that
will be from an engineering point of view, a lot
more technical than pooh hoy to walk with. So that
clearly comes into the costs, and you know, to make

(35:53):
sure you've got those safety elements and engineering safety elements
in place clearly is a big part of it. But
on the change of government and the cost blowouts, that's
my biggest worry. And I said a little bit earlier
on that at the moment it might cost or propose
to cost eighteen billion. I'd be okay with that if
they stuck to eighteen billion. But as we know, you
mentioned that project near where you live, and the Harbor

(36:15):
Bridge for example, and almost any other major infrastructure project
I can think of, transmission gully. The blowout is massive
and quite often because governments change and the government comes
in and says, well, we don't know if that was
a good idea. We're just going to go back to
the drawing board and again and again. It happens. It
just holds things up.

Speaker 17 (36:35):
Yeah. The other thing is is that you have some
engineers that design something and when you start actually digging
the road, it's not quite adequate the engineering, but the
contractors are building it to the engineers specification. Now, my
old man used to be a Ministry of Works highway

(36:59):
construction supervisor. Now he told me back in the day
before they had all the diggers and everything that they've
got today, they could only build three kilometers of new
road every year as a crew. There's sections of road
just south of Verderua that my dad made when I

(37:20):
was ten years old that needs to reseal. There aren't
anybody potholes in it because they built it properly. And
as the other gentleman who said earlier, Ministry of Works
built it to the high specification at the minimum cost
because they don't have to make.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
A profit, which is part Sorry you carry on, mate.

Speaker 17 (37:48):
When the government made these changes to our corporate side,
like the Ministry works and things like that to make
them make a profit. They don't exist today. But what
it should have been, and what I always thought it
should be, is that those government departments should have been

(38:09):
made to work like a normal business as far as
not making a profit, but working in in a profitable
manner and not having to actually return money back to
the government, or if they did, it should be returned
back into the slush fund, if you know what I mean.

(38:34):
But the other thing is that we need to actually
just keep on working. You know, why aren't they doing
the te row section right now? Once you've got all
the machinery gathered and the people gathered, what's happened to
all those walk with people? They've all gone, The machines
have all been sold off. You actually have to reinvest

(38:57):
and start again.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Ye spot on, And you're making some good points. Sean,
thank you very much for giving me a buzz. And
he is right, doesn't he? I mean, look when it
comes to the operation and when we're building these big
infrastructure projects, as he says, once a project is completed,
the equipment gets sold off and the work has moved
on or indeed laid off and some of them go
back overseas. So there's got to be a little bit

(39:20):
more consistency, doesn't there. And perhaps God forbid the idea
of having them work seven days on rotating shifts. That
would get stuff done, wouldn't it. We're going to carry
this on after two o'clock because a lot of people
want to have a chat about it. Oh w eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
Nineteen ninety two is the text number. New Sport and
weather coming up. Stay right here back very.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Shortly, talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor
Adams afternoons us dogs.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
They'd be very good afternoon toire. Welcome back into the program.
Great to have your company as always. Hope you're having
a good Monday afternoon. We're going to carry on our
discussion about this proposed Auckland to Northland Expressway, the proposed
cost anyway. Currently it's predicted to cost between fifteen to
eighteen billion dollars. Wayne brown mayor Wayne Brownie is not

(40:09):
happy about that cost. He thinks it should be far cheaper,
and he's given some context on how much this is
going to cost per kilometer so he thinks under that
costing all that budget, it's it's going to cost around
two hundred to two hundred and forty million per kilometer,
and that compares with seventy three million per kilometer for
the poh Hooy to walk Worth Highway. And as you

(40:31):
can remember, there was a lot of grumbles and a
lot of outrage at how much that was going to cost.
And I've just been doing some research in the break
as well transmission Gully again another expressway where there was
a big cost blowout from around eight hundred and fifty
million dollars to one point twenty five billion dollars which
upset a lot of people. And I've just done the
mass on that. So one point two billion over twenty

(40:52):
seven kilometers for the transmission gully works out at forty
six million dollars per kilometer. So how in the hell
are they getting to two hundred million dollars per kilometer
for this proposed highway? Can you get your thoughts? So
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
nine two ninety two. And we're all also talking about
toll roads. Do we need to accept that is the
way of new Zealand's future. We've been pretty loath to

(41:14):
accept the idea of toll roads, but is that the
only way we're going to be able to pay for
the infrastructure we need? Love to hear your thoughts, Craig.

Speaker 18 (41:23):
Yeah, good.

Speaker 19 (41:24):
Look I worked in construction for a lifetime and so
I do understand the costs, and a lot of it
sort of goes into places that you just can't even imagine.
They just as the cracks of getting things signed off
and moving forward.

Speaker 13 (41:42):
Yeah, there is that cost.

Speaker 19 (41:44):
But I'm at the point where I'm absolutely exhausted with
how crappy roads are that we build, and I think
it's kind of time to just accept that New Zealanders
aren't really good at building roads.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Yeah, I think. Well, I think we've known that for
a week while, haven't we, Craig, Hopefully maybe not. Maybe
we refused to accept that.

Speaker 13 (42:06):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 19 (42:07):
I mean the Italians do tunneling and have done for
years both They've dug tunnels through all the mountains that
we have mountain passes through and everything else. I really
think we should just go the whole tow road way. Yeah,
international investment, come in, build those toll roads and do it.

(42:27):
Hopefully with Chinese. Yeah, like they build amazing roads, they
build them incredibly quickly. We're just not even in the
hunt quite frankly.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Yeah, and why do they do that? I mean it
sounds like you've looked into it a little bit more
than I have. Clearly China can can whip up those
expressways and infrastructure far faster than most people in the world.
Is it because they've got the expertise, the manpower, or
as some people have alluded to Craig, maybe their health
and safety checks are not as rigorous as ours.

Speaker 19 (42:59):
From what I've seen so of my wife's Chinese. So
you know, I have a lot of insight into Chinese
and Chinese infrastructure in the way they think. And it's
a they actually just get the job done really well.
If they're working in New Zealand, they would still have
to come under OSH regulations in New Zealand, so and

(43:21):
I'm more than capable of doing that. I think things
have changed a lot in construction in China in the
last fifteen twenty years. But I personally, Hey, if you
want to charge me for a toll road and I
know that it's been built really well, I'm happy to
pay it. Just so tearing her. Give me example, so

(43:45):
lived them out mong AINNOI had an office outside to
Pookie and was running backwards and forwards between Tuttingham out
Long Annoy, backwards and forwards. When that toll road came through.
That saved me nearly an hour a day. That's huge.
That's like a And if you've got four or five

(44:06):
guys in the truck at thirty five bucks an hour
and you're going back to some forwards, that just that
becomes massive money.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
So no brainer, isn't it. And what's the cost for
the tos down down there, Craig.

Speaker 19 (44:20):
I think it's about a dollar eighty or two bucks
for the procyturny one, right, the one that goes between
the lakes, just the lakes if you like, an into
the mount as. I think a dollar, which is probably
a bit of a ripoff because I've been it's been
an eighty k road for four or five years. Yeah,

(44:42):
well they're sharing it, which is like, OK, I'm sure
they're going to do great things once it's open, but
all of those things add up to hours and as
hours that kill companies.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
YEP, I agree with you, Craig. Absolutely. More toll roads
the better of my eyes, because it's a user pay
system and it seems fairer. And I've said this before
and I'll say it again. I don't know why they
didn't put tolls down in christ Church when they spent
billion on the ring roads around that city. Beautiful roads
and fantastic and we needed those down in christ Church.
But while they didn't, why they didn't put our tolls

(45:16):
on that, I don't know. And Transmission Gully as well.
You know you're going to spend billions of dollars on
these expressways with alternative routes, then it makes sense to
me to put a toll road on it to help
pay for it. But what do you say? Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call? It
is twelve past two, back very shortly. You're listening to
News TALKSB.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
WOW your home of afternoon talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty News TALKSB.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
For a good afternoons you we're talking about the price
of our road in infrastructure and toll roads. This is
on the back of the proposed cost for the Auckland
and Northland Expressway being between fifteen billion to eighteen billion dollars,
which is a heck of a lot of money in
anyone's eyes. Meyr Wayne Brown is not happy with that cost.
Can you hear from you though, on oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty, Because we have been talking about toll

(46:07):
roads as well, the government did indicate that they are
looking to potentially have more toll roads. They've opened that
up to suggestion, along with increased road user charges which
we know are coming for every vehicle. So what do
you say to that? Nine two nine two is a
text number. Here's a text from Paul what says, out
of curiosity, I'm wondering how you pay four toll roads.

(46:27):
Do you just get send to bill once a month
or is it every six months? If it's only going
to cost two dollars or ten dollars? Do you know
how it works? It's been a wee while, pul since
I've gone through a toll road. But effectively it's a
whole bunch of cameras that get set up. They register
your license plate number, then you get a wei email
or a letter in the mail saying that you owe

(46:49):
so much for the tolls, and then you pay it,
and if you don't pay it, then you get a
follow up email, a letter rather saying that you owe
toll money and you better pay it asap. Rouse there'll
be fines, but it's a relatively straightforward way to do it.
You just go online, put in your license plate, figure
out how much you owe, and then pay it. So
nice and easy, Bruce, How are you?

Speaker 20 (47:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (47:09):
Pretty good? Because looking at something this is sort of
public works in the West versus the East. If you
look at the High Street California Railroad, it was projected
to cost thirty three billion. It's now up to what
eighty eight two, one hundred and twenty seven and it
still hadn't carried a passenger.

Speaker 13 (47:29):
Was supposed to be.

Speaker 21 (47:30):
Finished last year.

Speaker 5 (47:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (47:32):
Another one is the New York Subway. They're going to
spend sixty eight billion doing up their subway, but a
few lifts and on things, and probably some new rolling stock.
But that's sixty eight billion. But here's a real cruncher
for you people out there. Brazil to Peru or Peru
to Brazil's four and a half thousand kilometers and the
Giants are going to build the railroad through there for seventy.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Billion, seventy billion and figure that.

Speaker 21 (47:57):
One out seventy billions and they'll stick to that price.
The problem is we've got people who are just totally
bloody and competence. I mean, you can't turn around and
say the ground's bad because why didn't they use do
test and balls beforehand?

Speaker 9 (48:10):
They always do?

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Yeah, very true, But why why bruce? You know, because
because a lot of people have teached through and saying
China can do it for a peasance, and they're very
good at building infrastructure and roads and bring them in
here and let them sort out our roads for us.
But clearly there's a reason why they can undercut many
others in the world, including in California in the US.

Speaker 21 (48:32):
Let's start. You know, you hear all this thing about
Rory eth nettals. China's got the edge on the market.
And the reason is for all the brain dead ones
out there, they have a huge steel industry. The rearers
are coming out of the slag from that steel, so
they've got one step already done free. There's little things
like that. Their power price is about half hours, and

(48:55):
you know they're not subsidizing or anything. You know, Trump
Trumps decided to go for fossil fuels. China's gone for renewables.
They've got massive solar farms and that over there. But
I just think the people we got running the place, well,
give you an example. You know, christ Church, yep, yep,
I cross the street Semral Road. There was a bus
stop there, so they took out this bus stop and

(49:15):
they put in this eighty three thousand dollars one that
maximum of two people could sit down and maybe you
pushed here on the other side. Yeah, but they had
a solar panel and a solar you know usp power
supply on it. Yes, and that was the eighty three
green come.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
On and that was.

Speaker 21 (49:36):
I asked for a breakdown of the costs and they
won't give it out.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Why not, Well, because they've got something to hide there,
don't that. I think you know? It was it was
pretty well recognized. Yeah, yeah, Bruce, nice to hear from you.
We're getting some feedback there. But you're quite right on
that stop down in christ Church. But more and more
people are tixing through and saying, hey, just get the
Chinese to come in here and build the roads. So look,
if you've got experience on why they can undercut. Bruce

(50:01):
mention a couple of elements there. But if you've got
any experience O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty,
And that's a wise idea. I mean, certainly getting their
expertise and if we can cut costs, that sounds like
a good option. But in terms of investing here in
our infrastructure and potentially owning some of those toll roads,
I mean, does that go a but far? Love to

(50:21):
hear your thoughts. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty and
just out of interest while we're having this chat, I
did actually get a missed a phone call from China
at a quarter to two, so perhaps they've been listening
and they want to put a bit in. Can you
get your thoughts? Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is that number to call? It is twenty past two.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Very good afternoon, Chue. We're just going to take a
couple more calls on this topic because in a after
the headlines we are going to have a chat about
Dame Nolen Tata. In that whole segment but we have
been talking about toll roads and the cost of building infrastructure,
primarily roads in New Zealand. This is on the back
of the proposed Auckland and Northland Expressway, expected to cost
between fifth dean to eighteen billion dollars, which is incredibly

(51:12):
expensive in anyone's eyes. Get a grunt, good A how
are you going Thailand? I'm very good, nice a chat.

Speaker 7 (51:18):
And getting me The one thing that I experienced as
on real estate, we were when the Eastern corridors was
being proposed and everyhow that obviously don't buying up all
the land through there, and in having to talk with
owners who weren't being brought out what we're selling to
try and get them to understand that the value wasn't

(51:41):
quite as strong as perhaps the recent sales were shown
from those from those purchases. And I can tell you
I did out of interest. I sort of looked at
right down the corridor there and sort of added up
and it was it was multiple millions of dollars for
the actual land acquisition. And it would be interesting if
they would put into those figures what their a, what

(52:03):
their land acquisition is and obviously where they're doing big infrastructure,
as the chap was saying earlier, the huge cost that
you just don't see. Yeah, it's kind of like you know,
having two houses, one one sitting on swamply and a
one that's on firm ground and there's there's two hundred
k and foundations that no one ever sees, and it
doesn't change the value of the two properties, but it's.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
A cost spot on. I mean, I think it was
Mike who was calling before I mentioned, as you did,
grant that eastern busway, and when he mentioned the the
acquisition of those properties and three billion dollars to three
k like yours thinking okay, there's a good chunk of
that that was just acquiring those properties and land.

Speaker 7 (52:41):
Absolutely absolutely, and I mean, look it's you know, we're
we're never going to get away from it. The problem
that we have is it's never going to be cheaper
than it is to build it now. And we have
a history of sort of short sightedness or budget consciousness
is probably how our politicians would like to view it
in relation to putting our infrastructure in. And no sooner

(53:02):
have we put something in than we look at it
and go, oh, that's actually being overwhelmed already yeah. And
you know, you look back in the days of and
I wasn't even around obviously when when Robbie was the
mayor of Auckland, but he was wanting to put in
the train system all that time ago. And you imagine
if we've done it, then.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Oh man, you're back yet. You know that breaks a
lot of people's heart when you look at four point
five billion dollars in counting for the CRL and you're right,
when it was first loaded, how many decades ago it
was was many decades ago.

Speaker 7 (53:33):
I wasn't even I don't even think I was a
twinkle of my mom and dad's eye when he when
he first talked about that. But you know, and and
the problem with the CURL is that's not counting the
huge cost to all the businesses that have failed due
to the massive upheaval and disruption. So there's the hidden

(53:53):
cost and all of that as well. Yeah, but it's
the the It would be interesting to see what would
come from discussions with the likes of the Chinese. The
only thing, and I've not I've not looked into it
it as to as to how the builds perform in

(54:14):
other countries, but I do know that there is a
term that is used, which is it does not it's
not a you know, certainly not saying it's not a
good one. They call it tofu buildings and that's where
there's been shortcuts made in the material is used and
the dwellings and everything are just not standing up to

(54:37):
the elements.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (54:39):
So you have to be mindful, wouldn't you as to?
And you have to be a heck of a lot
of oversight on what products are being used.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Oh, yeah, absolutely, And that's the crux of it, isn't
grant that Bruce before who talked about the four thousand
kilometer road that the Chinese are building in Brazil, And
this isn't knocking Brazil, but I can almost guarantee that
their health and safety standards are not as rigorous as ours.
And that's that's that's the balance, is that we don't
want roads that are going to collapse under us. And

(55:10):
there's no doubt about it. Our geology through fault lines
and difficult terrain. Whether you want the Chinese to come
in and undercut and say we can do it for
half the price, and it's going to be engineer you know,
flawed from an engineering point of view, that's not what
anybody wants.

Speaker 7 (55:28):
No, No, that's absolutely right. And you know there is
always easy say the balance between cost, cost and safety
or caliber of bill versus you know, you can always
make something cheaper, but it doesn't mean that it's better.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Yeah, spot on, grant, thank you very much for giving
me a buzz. Great thoughts. That is where we'll leave it,
I think. But to sum up, a lot of people
are bulking at the idea of fifteen billion to eighteen
billion dollars for this new expressway from Auckland to Northland,
and it is an eye watering amount of money. But

(56:02):
it seems like if we want one hundred and ten
kilometer expressways and we want safe and we want them
to be resilient, that might be the price we pay,
as long as it can be agreed to through multiple
different governments, right, because that's always where these things fall apart.
If someone floats an idea, they start the process and
they spend the money on the consultation and the plans,

(56:23):
maybe even start construction, and somebody else comes through and says, no,
that was a terrible idea. We've got a better idea,
and then stop it, and it just ends up costing
billions and billions of dollars. Anyway, good discussion coming up
after the headlines. I want to have a chat about
Dame Nolene Tardor. She's obviously broken her silence for the
first time today and she started off with a chat

(56:44):
with Mike Hoskin, and here's a little bit of that interview.

Speaker 10 (56:48):
Are you, as you speak to us this morning, constrained
in any way in what you're able to say?

Speaker 11 (56:54):
Yes, I am. I am constrained, mainly because of what's
been signed, and I really want to honor that in
regards to the integrity that I have, but also the
balancing act. I suppose that I have to be able
to put my truth out there. I don't want it
to be the shortest reinstatement, but I also need to

(57:15):
put my truth out there.

Speaker 10 (57:16):
Were you unfairly treated.

Speaker 11 (57:18):
The process that I needed to go through, what to
get lawyers involved. They've been able to work through a
process and negotiate with NET for New Zealand to be reinstated,
hence me being here. Obviously there are other options that
could have been taken, which is a legal option, but
to be honest, I didn't want to go there.

Speaker 10 (57:38):
Was it simply a case of some players didn't like
the way you treated them, They complained and that was
the process in real simple terms.

Speaker 11 (57:46):
I don't know, and I can't tell you, and that's
my truth. I actually don't know, but I can tell
you that I am one hundred percent open. It's one
I wonder if I'm going to be honest of listening
to players, listening to anybody as to what concerns they have,
and then looking for solutions to make it better. That's

(58:10):
all I can say in that matter. But the question
that you've asked, I don't know.

Speaker 10 (58:14):
But when you say you don't know, when you sat
down with the management of the board of Netball in
New Zealand and they were standing you down, they were
standing you down for what.

Speaker 11 (58:24):
My truth is, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
So if you heard that interview with Michael's a great interview,
but clearly she is hamstrung with what she can say
about the whole saga. There's a lot of this is
my truth, and I don't know. I don't know how
much of her truth where she was actually allowed to
say to Mike this morning. But love to get your
thoughts on this, because clearly the silver Fern's reputation has
taken a hammer in New Zealand, Netbull his reputation has

(58:50):
taken a hammering. Sponsors are and easy fans I think
are still confused. So has this been the worst PR
disaster in New Zealand sport history? Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. And if you want to have a
chat about Dame no Lean Tatoa and how she's been
treated by all means, come on through and where too from? Now?
What do you want to see? Does this whole thing

(59:11):
end now that she comes back into the fold and
she goes back to resuming coaching duties and we pretend
like nothing happened, or would you actually want some more
investigation into this not a witch hunt trying to find
the players, but perhaps some questions about how management dealt
with this whole saga. Love to have a chat with you.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call if you want to send a texture more

(59:31):
than welcome? Nine to ninety two and if emails your
thing Tyler atnewstalk zb dot co dot enz headlines with
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Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Thank you very much, Rollie Rayleane, sorry, and we are
talking about the Dame Nolene Tartows situation. So the civil
fans coach at the center of the storm. That's rock.
New Zealand Netball has, for the first time, after weeks
of silence, spoken publicly this morning, first with Mike Hosking.
And what she said, or perhaps what she didn't say,
has only deepened the mystery. She's clearly hamstrung by what

(01:01:21):
she can share. There was a lot of discussion about
her truth and then a lot of I don't know
where I cannot say. So how do you feel about
this whole saga? And where to from here?

Speaker 13 (01:01:31):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to calling?
Is this up there with one of the worst PR
disasters of all time when it comes to New Zealand sport. Trevor,
how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (01:01:42):
You made right?

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Yeah, pretty good good.

Speaker 5 (01:01:45):
It's an incredible story. Really, I mean all the sport
that I follow, you know, there's a dispute between players
and coaches. The coach's history. I mean, we've had a
couple of hope ifil Ones. We had her was he
coaching a lady's hockey team a few years but Mark
Hager and he just took the girls right up to
competing in tournament finals and that and a couple of

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players got a bit upset and he lost his job.
We had this hiking guy. His was a little bit
more involved. But what staggers me about it is, you know,
you know, these are the players that apparently their mental
health is at risk. So what about the mental health
that Nolan's been put through? Really? I mean they, I
mean they've come out and said that they you know,

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she doesn't know how to handle players. You know, she
doesn't know the right thing to say, so they've put
her through this washing machine. Really, I mean, she's someone
who's had to put up with it all and face
it all.

Speaker 18 (01:02:38):
And where's the weak players?

Speaker 22 (01:02:40):
Are they just hiding and whimpering or once It's a
good question, Trevor, and I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
I mean, on the mental health side of things, You're
quite right. Dame Nolean has been put through the absolute
ringer and still continues to be the very fact that
she can't say exactly what she wants to say because
her lawyers have said it's unwise and she's got to
go back into this organization at some stage and try
and rebuild from there. But you're right, I mean, when
it comes to international elite sport is tough and it's

(01:03:09):
pretty telling the number of legendary netballers who came out
in support of Dame Knowles and in that environment, I
mean no doubt she sounds like she can be quite
a straight up and down coach, but also, as some
of those former players said, she would change depending on

(01:03:30):
who the player was. She was very skilled at understanding
exactly what each player needed to get the best out
of them. But let's you know, let's not forget this
is international elite sport. This isn't high school, This isn't
you know, this isn't primary school. You don't need to
treat or you shouldn't need to treat these players with
kid gloves. This is the elite, and no doubt about it,

(01:03:50):
there's mental health aspects within that. But that I mean,
everybody was let down in the scenario. It seems like Trevor,
I think a lot of the players were let down.
She was let down.

Speaker 5 (01:04:00):
Yeah, but these players, I mean I do find a
little bit strange at Nolling after three months of discussion,
she doesn't actually know who what I stood down for.
I find that a little bit hard.

Speaker 13 (01:04:10):
To believe it.

Speaker 5 (01:04:10):
Maybe you can't say, but you know, I've been all
those net ballers who got a bit upset with if
that's what happened, you know, they'll tell us that they're
mentally strong to get to the top. And so if
they think they're mentally strong people to get to the top
of sport, what's happened to them? As I say, you know,
they're putting all in through a bit of you know, personalment,

(01:04:32):
maybe not embarrassment, but a personal bit of personal strive.
And where are they Why are they hiding? Why don't
they come in and show us so strong?

Speaker 6 (01:04:39):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Yeah, I mean all good questions. And that's the hard
part about this, Trevor, is there's still so many of
those questions and none of them have been answered. And
I think for me that the biggest cock up here.
And it's always the way when it comes to pr disasters,
whether it's in sport or otherwise, you never stay silent.
You've got to front up and you've got to give
as much information as you can, even in these employment disputes.

(01:05:01):
It is such a cop out to say it's an
employment dispute. We can't say anymore. You've got to be
more upfront because in those shadows, then the room and
everything else starts to erupt. And as you say, then
poor old Dame Nolen gets put through the ringers. Some
of the players who might have not have said anything
get put through the ringer. And Netball New Zealand is
an organization, isn't tatters.

Speaker 5 (01:05:22):
Yeah, no, look, I just got to give it to
Dame Noling. I mean, I am a Boomers, I'm a
little bit older school. But to me, she's just showing
a strong, strong, strong woman who can put up with
a bit of pressure. The ones that have complained and hide,
you know, I think they're showing sort of a little
bit no fortitude really, And I've got to give it

(01:05:42):
to Grace and the wiki too, because she was pretty
gutsy by coming out and saying what she thought, and
good honor, that's what she thought, and good honor. Where's
the ones that moaned? They're hiding, they're crying.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Yep, And that's what it becomes it becomes a witch hunt,
and then you have to have the likes of Grace
coming forward to say it wasn't me, and that's where
the problem starts. Whichever, thank you very much for your thoughts.
So eighte hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call your thoughts on the Dame Nolean tart or saga.
If you listen to her interview with Mike this morning,
keen to get your thoughts. We're too from here. If

(01:06:15):
she comes back into the fault, and it certainly sounds
like she will be very soon, how do you rebuild
from here? And what needs to happen going forward? Does
there need to be a wider investigation into the management
of netball New Zealand? What would you like to see?
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call
back in the mom It is twenty to three.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams
Afternoons news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
They'd be very good. Afternoon, Jill. It is seventeen to
three and we're talking about the Dame no Lean Total saga. Obviously,
she broke her silence as much as she could this
morning when she was speaking to Mike Coskin on his
show in a very in depth interview, and it was
a great interview from Mike, but it was clear there
was a lot of things that she just couldn't say.

(01:07:02):
She was advised by her lawyers. Clearly she said many
times that it is my truth and I need to
get my truth out. But you also said I don't
know a lot of times. So where too from here?
And how do you feel about Netball New Zealand as
an organization? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
that number to call? Chris good afternoon.

Speaker 13 (01:07:20):
To you good afternoon.

Speaker 6 (01:07:23):
Firstly, just to say that if a complaint was raised
about her and they're not going to open up who
said what, board or the chief executive of Netball New
Zealand protecting the staff in general from disclosing the information,

(01:07:46):
because it seems to me that it's unfair, unjustified disadvantage
in an employment scenario because firstly, she hasn't ever been
told what and what has happened anyway, And the other
thing is she's not allowed to say anything, so practically

(01:08:10):
it's an unlawful case that's been dragged on and nothing's
come to or anyone's hearing anything about what's going on.
So she should be contenslated and should go through the
legal either. But because there was no justification on the

(01:08:36):
on what happened and who complained, and somebody's protecting someone
else from releasing the information and she's just being left to,
you know, drift in the wind.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Yeah, I think, Chris, sometimes it is there's legitimate reasons
for saying it's an employment issue, because that can get
murky and make things even even worse if you give
out the wrong information. But you're right that in most
of those issues where it is an employment issue, least
given the right to get the information on the allegations

(01:09:12):
against you. And that's not to say you can then
take that publicly yourself, but as you know.

Speaker 6 (01:09:16):
You can, as I think you can, you do have
runs to take it further.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Now that is true. You can do whatever you like.
But whether that works well for you in the long run, yeah, yeah,
but that might go against you an employment quarter off,
it goes that far. But you're right, I mean the
very fact that that Dame no Lean, as she mentioned
in that interview with Mike. She doesn't know the allegations,
and she doesn't know the players, and she doesn't know
if there is an investigation.

Speaker 6 (01:09:40):
And that's not great because when she goes back she
has to you know, she's probably gonna well with me,
I feel very embarrassed. I'd be probably be untenable to
build another relationship with the employer you well, faced off
with them the first place. In regard to the allegations.

Speaker 23 (01:10:03):
I would actually take the money and more because it's
not I mean not not that she will, but but
it just seems that, you know, is it going to
make any.

Speaker 20 (01:10:17):
Difference?

Speaker 6 (01:10:19):
You know, Well, she goes back and maybe she says
something or whatever. Well, yes, then maybe it might happen again.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
I don't know, But well, you're it's pretty awkward, isn't
it without knowing the allegations and who the players are
to be able to go back in there. And it
sounds like that's exactly what she wants to do, is
to go back in there and get back to coaching
and getting those skills to the top of their game.
But to do that, her ability to do that, I
think you're right, has been compromised and all those questions

(01:10:52):
are answered, how do you do that? How do you
do that in any organization, let alone elite sport. That's
going to be incredibly tough for her. And on the
idea of compensation, I agree with you. But perhaps that
was an option that was available to her to walk
away and get a so called golden handshake, and she
chose not to do that because she is dedicated to
this team.

Speaker 6 (01:11:11):
Well, just finally, I just want to say that if
I wish her the best, but I would say there's
plenty of bigger opportunities for her, and she's got the
experience and skills. I'm sure someone else will treat her better.
She was to look at the avenues for another career elsewhere,

(01:11:33):
better than what she's got. But I mean, okay, fair enough,
good luck for her and you know, ambitions.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Yeah, And I would say, Chris, you're quite right, she'll
do very well whatever she decides to do. But that
would be a real shame for New Zealand and for
our silver Ferns. Hey, I appreciate you cool, thank you
very much. Keen to get your views on this. One
oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to
call if you want to send a text nine two
ninety two. There's plenty coming through this one, says get A.

(01:12:04):
We don't actually know if she isn't aware why she
seems to be advised to be pretty quiet or so
she hasn't taken it further legally at the stage because
she clearly wants to carry on as a coach. If
she decides to part ways, there may be a very
different story from her side. And thank you for that text.
That is right in some elements of what you're saying
in that text. But Mike did ask her straight up

(01:12:26):
whether she knew what the allegations were, and she said,
I quote, I don't know, and then followed on that
answer with some legal word salad, as she was forced
to do in those interviews. But clearly there are some
elements in this whole saga that she generally doesn't know.
Can you get your thoughts though? Oh, e one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is that number got to take
a break back very shortly. It is eleven to three.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk,
Sa'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Very good afternoon she So we're talking about the Dame
Noel Lean's saga with New Zealand Netbull. She has broken
her silence today as much as she can do. A
couple of emails coming through, this one from Morang Tyler.
It was really odds how Dame Nolean had to interrupt
that interview with Mike. Very strange. Indeed, yes it was.
And it seems like she was ushered away to do

(01:13:19):
a we interview with Breakfast TV in that middle of
that chat with Mike, and then obviously she came back
with Mike later in his program, but Mike got her
on first. So very very strange. She was ushered away
right in the middle of it. You don't see that often,
but certainly Mike got the scoop on on Dame Nolean
first thing this morning. And this email says, this is

(01:13:40):
from Chris. The whole saga is awful, but Dame Nolean
will be compensated and most likely including for hurt and humiliation,
even though it hasn't gone through to the courts. This
is why she has to say silent and her truths
would have been approved in the mediation process. I feel
for her, but she also has the role she wants.

(01:14:02):
She decided to stay and she will have a decent
work of money out of this. I just hope the
amount is disclosed to the public and the months. Again,
thank you very much for those emails. If you want
to seend one of those. Tyler at news Talk zb
dot co dot nz is the address.

Speaker 6 (01:14:15):
Hi Lily, Yeah, Hi Tyler.

Speaker 24 (01:14:18):
I watched both interviews and I'm still confused. But anyway,
at the end of the day, what's happened to Deb Fuller?
The assistant never heard anything about her?

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Well, she was probably told to stay low as well,
wasn't she.

Speaker 16 (01:14:34):
She's it It was.

Speaker 24 (01:14:35):
Only Dame Nolan that was accused of this. Well, normally
the assistant coach would take over.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Yeah, I mean that was the unusual part where there
was confusion over who was going to step into that
coaching role while this whole saga played out. And you're right,
the assistant coach was there ready to go. And this
is where it gets tricky, isn't it, Lily, Because I
don't want to venture or make assumptions about why that
was the case, because clearly it is still so murky
and still so mysterious. But if she wasn't there ready

(01:15:07):
to step up into that role on a temporary basis.
Then perhaps you know she she, in one way or
the other was was involved in what was going on.

Speaker 24 (01:15:16):
Well, that's right, but we've never heard mention of her,
have we?

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
No, and without it's.

Speaker 24 (01:15:21):
Been very quiet, nushush about it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
And how do you feel about that, Lily? Does that
make you feel, you know, a bit disappointed in netball
New Zealand.

Speaker 24 (01:15:30):
Well, I've got my theories about who complained and there
was quite a few of them stood down on their
own accord before before they before the test started, So
I've got my I've got my questions about why they
stood down, you know. But no, I still love the

(01:15:50):
netball and hopefully do you know if they're going to
be televising the series in England and Scotland?

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
I would very much hope. So I believe they will be. Yeah, absolutely,
I mean I'm sure they will be because Sky I
believe do have the rights. They managed to sort out
that deal today. No, perhaps, Look, I'm not going to
give you an answer because I don't want to give
you a wrong answer, but I will find out over
the news and just let people know where they can
watch that.

Speaker 24 (01:16:17):
Oh good, because it's on Sunday, isn't it. They play Scotland.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Yep, correct, Yeah, all right, Lily, nice to chat with you.
I will find out that information. I don't want to
give you a wrong stare on that, but I'll find
that out very shortly. In the meantime, Jane, we've got
about ninety seconds. How are you? Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:16:33):
Good?

Speaker 18 (01:16:34):
Thank you.

Speaker 12 (01:16:35):
I would just like to say that all this is
going on and I totally support Noline Tyroor and what
she's done and how she's had the belief in the
Silver Sands that she can carry on coaching. What I
think is quite important is that she needs to get
to get on the Northern Tour and be able to

(01:16:58):
coach Sarah along with Deb Fuller, because if she doesn't,
that means that next.

Speaker 5 (01:17:03):
Year is going to be even more even more of a.

Speaker 12 (01:17:11):
It's just a sending the other two coaches is just
a non event. She needs she needs to be there.
She needs to be coaching them on this trip so
that she can she can put into systems that she needs,
they need to get the experience that she wants them
to have through her. And you know, it's all very
well talking about the board and the CEO and the

(01:17:31):
toxic environment that's within the New Zealand netball at the moment
that Nathan Limb has has reported on.

Speaker 11 (01:17:38):
But that's that's.

Speaker 5 (01:17:40):
Going to happen.

Speaker 18 (01:17:41):
But at the end, at the.

Speaker 12 (01:17:42):
Moment, she needs to get to Scotland and England and
I don't know who.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
Is able to do that.

Speaker 12 (01:17:49):
Obviously the board aren't going to do it, and I
don't know if there's anyone above the board that can
ensure she gets here and takes over because what is
happening at the moment with the tests is basically a
waste of time.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Yeah, spot on, Jane, and I think a lot of
people will agree with you that. In the you know,
the notion of the girls doing their best and performing,
get Dame that Nolen over there and deal with us
down the track. We're going to keep this going after
three o'clock.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
News is next, your new home in stle and Entertaining Talk.
It's Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk.

Speaker 22 (01:18:26):
Sebby, Very good afternoon, ju welcome back into the show
to six past three, and we've been having a discussion
about the Netball New Zealand saga involving Dame Nolen Totaler,
the Civil Fans coach, of course, at the center of
the storm that's rocked the organization.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
After weeks of silence. She spoke publicly this morning with
Mike Hoskin, and here's a little bit of what she
had to say.

Speaker 10 (01:18:50):
Are you, as you speak to us this morning, constrained
in any way in what you're able to say?

Speaker 13 (01:18:56):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (01:18:57):
I am. I am constrained, mainly because of what's been signed,
and I really want to honor that in regards to
the integrity that I have, but also the balancing act
I suppose that I have to be able to put
my truth out there. I don't want it to be
the shortest reinstatement, but I also need to put my

(01:19:17):
truth out there. Were you unfairly treated the process that
I needed to go through, what to get lawyers involved.
They've been able to work through a process and negotiate
with NET for New Zealand to be reinstated, hence me
being here. Obviously there are other options that could have
been taken, which is a legal option, but to be honest,

(01:19:39):
I didn't want to go there.

Speaker 10 (01:19:41):
Was it simply a case of some players didn't like
the way you treated them, they complained, and that was
the process.

Speaker 11 (01:19:46):
In simple terms, I don't know and I can't tell you,
and that's my truth. I actually don't know, but I
can tell you that I am one hundred percent open.
It's one I wonder if I'm going to be honest
of listening to players, listening to anybody as to what

(01:20:06):
concerns they have, and then looking for solutions to make
it better. That's all I can say in that matter.
But the question that you've asked, I don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:20:16):
But when you say you don't know, when you sat
down with the management of the board of Netball New
Zealand and they were standing you down, they were standing
you down for what.

Speaker 11 (01:20:26):
My truth is, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
So that is the interview with Dame Nolen Toto this morning.
And as you can see, she I mean, she said
it well. Mike asked her, are you constrained. She said, yes,
I am. She wanted to talk about her truth, but
there was a lot of I don't know's there and
that is the reality of the situation, as straight from
the horse's mouth that she said. There was no formal investigation,

(01:20:51):
no clear communication in the process had been in her words, horrific.
So we're too now for Netball New Zealand and for
the Silver Ferns and Dame Nolene for that matter. Oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call?
Have you lost faith somewhat within Netball New Zealand as
an organization? Do you think there does need to be
an inquiry and investigation into the management or do you

(01:21:15):
think it is time to move forward, that Dame Nolen
comes back into the organization and continues coaching and the
important part is that the Silver Ferns do well internationally
and we can move on. It's an interesting question because
it seems like Dame Nolen she signed what she signed

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and for her, the primary aspect is getting back to
training that squad and getting the best out of those girls.
But whether you can leave all this behind and say
we've moved on, nothing to see here. I don't know
if it's that easy. But what do you say? Oh
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call. A few texts coming through on nine to

(01:21:58):
nine two. Sorry guys, just got home. I heard quite
a lot when I was driving to work this morning
of Mike Costkins, interview. One thing that worries me but
is for the other team members who will have people
looking and pointing at who they think it might be
and so for that reason or I've just lost it
for that reason, we rarely do need to know more
what a mess. The colleague said to me this morning

(01:22:20):
that there's no smoke without fire, which annoyed me, but
it makes me wonder if others are thinking along that
line and this one here, Hi, we must put our
trust in high performance sport processes. We've had cycling New
Zealand and New Zealand women's football in recent years. Our
young athletes are the most important thing here. We definitely
don't want another Olivia Podmore. That's from Frank. And that's

(01:22:43):
the tough part about this discussion, right is when if
it is true, and there's a lot we don't know,
but if there were mental health considerations, then it becomes
that question over elite sport, elite athletes. Did they have
the backing not just from Dame Nolen, And it sounds
like they did have the backing from Dame Nolen, many
former players coming out backing her. But in the wider

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organization clearly there are roles designed to deal with the
pressures in the mental health of elite athletes. But can
you get your views on this one? O eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It's
eleven past three back very shortly, great heavy company on
this Monday afternoon his talk z be It is fourteen

(01:23:27):
pass three and we're talking about netball New Zealand and
Dame nol Lean total. Obviously she broke her silence as
much as she could this morning speaking to Mike Hoskin.
If you haven't heard that interview, you can go see
it on news talkszb's website. But well worth a listen.
But the question I'm asking right now is where to
from here? How do you feel about this whole saga,
how it's played out? Is this the worst pr disaster

(01:23:48):
in New Zealand sport history. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that number to call? Get a Simon
kdo Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
I think the elephant in the room is that New
Zealand netbol actually haven't got the money to power out.
The game is in a crisis.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
Yeah, very true, very very true. They are short on
funds and they were working for a long time on
that broadcast right and clearly had to accept a lot
less than they were hoping for.

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
And then you've got the National League that's you know,
really down plaid to what it's you know, what we've
seen this year that's got worse over every year. I
think Nolene needs a new CEO and a new cheer
going forward. I don't think you can work under that
current structure. I think her I can't known what a
word was, but she's obviously been pretty poorly treated.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
We're too from here in your eyes, Simon. Clearly, you
know there is some financial constraints there with the Netball
New Zealand as an organization, but greatly if I'm wrong,
listening to Dame Nolene this morning, it sounded like she
wants to get back in there because that is her
passion and her drive. The one thing she ultimately cares
about is the silver Fern's doing well on the international stage,

(01:24:52):
and money is you know, not a close second, but
it's way down the list. I don't think she cares
too much about the financial side of.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
Things, But as I just said, I think if you're her,
I think she deserves the respect of having a new CEO.
To put the game and forward. I think the game's
been for a shocking six months and how the CEO
can even stay on it is beyond question to me.

Speaker 14 (01:25:14):
M M.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
So with that in mind, they're ironic.

Speaker 3 (01:25:17):
Sorry, thing, what as I heard today that High Performance
are going to have a meeting of all these sports
that he's going to netball in a couple of weeks.
I mean an't at State to hold the meet or
host their meeting.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
Yeah, do you think there needs to be an investigation
in relation to the CEO or do you think it's
it's you know, the the evidence is out there for
all to see. I mean not for us clearly, because
there haven't been that transparent, but it's already there within
the organization, and that's enough for the board to consider
replacing the CEO.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
I think he's even sport needs to step up and
go in and do an a variation of where the
sport's at. They've done it with other sports, and I
think he's going on netbles way past that stage. We've
seen a national league that's been decimated, We've seen TV
rights and a lot lower. We've seen this coaching saga.
I mean, this has cost you know, the normal netball
player a lot of money in terms of, you know,

(01:26:09):
legal fees. We're having to pay an extra coach and
assistant coach as well. I'm presumed they paid rolling through
the period of time that she's been suspended. Yeah, but
I bet they even paid illegal fees.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
Yeah. Well, yeah, I'm with you. I would doubt that
they have done that, but I suppose that's I mean,
whether we'll ever note that information, Simon, I don't know.
She's clearly signed some sort of legal agreement, as she
told Mike. Have you so, you're a fan of watching nipple.
You love the sport.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
I love the sport, but I think it's been really
upsetting to me to see the people and the volunteers
in the sport that gives so many hours to the sport,
and how upset they are with their own sport at
the moment. The administration at the top level, there's just
no respect towards the CEO or the board, and I
think to give them a fresh start, but I think
the sport the CEO has got any credibility. I'd actually

(01:26:58):
go to new them in sports take coming into an
investigation and tell us if we're doing anything wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
Yeah, nicely said Simon, thank you very much for giving
me a buzz and I can't you know, I can't
anything what Simon said there. This text also agrees, Hi, Tyler,
I think the CEO needs to go. The situation is
being handled so badly. Appreciate she had a holiday booked,
but to not say anything while away when this happened
is not the kind of CEO any company needs. It's

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even come out that there are workplace issues at head office.
Time to clear out the management, says this text. I
mean on the holiday point. You know, I'm sorry. You're
being very diplomatic there. I don't give a damn if
she was on holiday. When you're a CEO of an
organization like Netball New Zealand, you step up and you
do what needs to be done to quell what was

(01:27:44):
clearly a crisis. It doesn't really matter if you were
on holiday in Europe. You get on the phone and
you make it right. That's what you're paid to do
as a CEO. Keen on your views though, Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call.
Let's go to Jared's get a.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
Mate, Tyler.

Speaker 13 (01:28:00):
He you mate must be on your show.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
Nice to chat to you, my friends. So you reckon
this whole thing is just a massive mess, Tyler.

Speaker 18 (01:28:10):
I'm astonished and thinks for playing just driving back for
work and you play the bits of Mike's olive you
this morning. So I'm astonished that he asked the question
to Noleen that she and I believe she was honest,
that she doesn't know why she was stood down. And

(01:28:30):
I just find out astonishing that Netball New Zealand couldn't
give her an answer. After all that she's done for
netball in this country. It's just been an absolute mess.
And I admire Noleine for carrying on obviously, and like.

Speaker 6 (01:28:47):
You just touched on before the Taller, it's.

Speaker 18 (01:28:50):
Not all that money for her. What says a whole
lot about her. She's wondering for this mess. She wants
to come back and coach the Silver Ferns, and I
just think that's admirable.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
Yeah, yeah, I'm with you, Jared. Listening to her, you
know what she was saying to Mike and clear that's
her driving passion there is to just get back and
do what she does best. But she's a better person
than I am. If I was ever in that situation
or her shoes. I think I just walk away. And
the fact that she's stuck it out after being put

(01:29:23):
through the ringer and still says I've got this passion
and I'm here to get the best out of the
silver Ferns man. That takes some character.

Speaker 18 (01:29:33):
I couldn't agree more, Tyler. I would be the same
as you. I don't think I would have done a
good Yeah, especially when you're in the public forum. It's
done hard, and she had to stay out of the
public vale throughout all this time say nothing.

Speaker 13 (01:29:52):
Yeah, it's.

Speaker 18 (01:29:55):
Yeah, quite a time.

Speaker 20 (01:29:56):
Isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
Yeah, it certainly is. And I think you said that
very well, Jared, that you're astonished and a lot of
people will be feeling that as well after hearing that interview.
Oh eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number
to call? How do you feel about the whole Dame
Nolean total with Saga. You may have heard her speaking
with Mike this morning. Can you get your thoughts on
the interview itself? She was clearly constrained. She signed some

(01:30:18):
legal documents, so there's only so much she can say
about the whole situation. And when Mike cast her about
whether she knew about the allegations or the players involved,
and she said, I don't know. I mean that to
me is flabbergasting. But what do you say? Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number? Call twenty
one past three Beck very shortly. Hope you having a
great Monday afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on news talk ZAB very good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
She we're talking about netball New Zealand and Dame Nolean
Todor speaking to Mike Hoskin this morning, finally breaking her
silence after weeks of uncertainty, and it's got to be said,
there's still a lot of questions to be asked and
a lot of mystery. There was a lot of things
that Dame Nolen could not say because she's clearly signed

(01:31:10):
some sort of legal document to ensure she can come
back into the fold and do what she does best.
But can hear from you at eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty, how do you feel about this whole saga?
And where too from here? For Neple New Zealand get
a Glenn.

Speaker 9 (01:31:24):
Hey, Tyler, how are you.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
I'm good, my friends.

Speaker 20 (01:31:26):
I'll just prehimpt this conversation by saying that I have
worked in employment law, and I have also worked in
high performance sport, and to me, this is an absolute cluster.
I think what has happened is that when Jinny Wiley
was overseas on holiday, Matt Wooday was asked to step

(01:31:48):
in and deal with this mess. And I don't think
at an early stage they sought any legal advice. I
think they've tried to bumble their way through it and
to stonewall and to try and get their ducks in
a row. They haven't conducted a proper investigation. We know
that they only spoke to a limited number of players,

(01:32:09):
basically the ones that were aggrieved. And in any employment
process that should be balanced. It should look after the
concerns of the employees who might be aggrieved, but you
also have to make sure that you treat the accused
person fairly, and I don't see any of that in

(01:32:32):
this process at all. They've made a knee jerk reaction
to stand nolling down at the earliest opportunity. They've given
themselves time. It appears as though they've done nothing in
that intervening period except then negotiate with her legal advisors,
and then they've realized that they've made a massive mistake

(01:32:55):
and they've reinstated her, and then they compound the problem
by reinstating her but not reinstating her, and it's just
the whole thing is just crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
So a great chet you, Glenn, because you've got a
foot in a couple of camps here. So on the
employment side of things, employment law, is it true to
say that nine times out of ten when you're faced
with this sort of situation, that behind closed doors during
that mediation, you would be told about the allegations. Is
that right? You've got to be it's fair to give

(01:33:28):
that information about what you've been accused of, so you
can fairly defend yourself.

Speaker 20 (01:33:33):
One hundred percent. You have to advise people what the
allegations are against them, so they have an opportunity to
defend their position or to answer the allegation. And it
seems as though there has never been an allegation put
to Nolin, and I just I can't fathom that, and

(01:33:54):
the fact that it's plainly out in public, any right
thinking person is going, this is just nuts. These people
are crazy. They've embarrassed themselves. They've embarrassed their sport, and
they've actually embarrassed their country because this is international news.
That's terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
Yeah, i mean, look at the reputation in New Zealand.
Netball isn't tatter, It's no doubt about it. And they've
got a lot of building up to do and they
were already in some trouble financially and other anyway. So
just on the elite sports side of things, Glenn, because
this is where it can get tricky is when you
have elite athletes who have succumbed to maybe some mental

(01:34:32):
health situations or anxiety or whatever it may be in
trying to hit that elite level, and you need to
surely you need to have people within an organization. We're
at that point now where it's critical that gets addressed
outside of the coaching staff.

Speaker 18 (01:34:50):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
You've got to have people within the organization that can
deal solely with that side of things so it doesn't
get messy and then these allegations of unfairness or bullying
or whatever come to the fore.

Speaker 20 (01:35:02):
It's kind of like the role that Pabldnoka played for
the All Blacks for many, many years and I'm sure
at times he was a conduit between the playing group
and the management group if players had concerns about the
way they were being treated. And I'm sure that has
cropped up in that environment from time to time.

Speaker 13 (01:35:23):
But you can't, You just can't do this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
Yeah, Glenn, really good to get your thoughts, and I
think you articulated that beautifully. Thank you very much. You
heard Glenn's thoughts. He's worked in employment law and elite sport.
What do you say, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number to call. We've got the headlines
with ray Lane. We're going to carry this on because
we've got full boards and so many people are texting through,
but still keen to hear from you back very shortly

(01:35:50):
with Heather, who I think wants to have we maybe
question Dame Nolean, so we'll get to her very shortly.
It is twenty nine past three.

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Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
Thank you very much for Rayleen. So we are chatting
about Neple, New Zealand and Dame Nolen Toto who broke
her silence first with Mike Cosking this morning. Then weirdly
she was kidnapped by Breakfast TV and said to go
and have a chat to them midway through the interview.
But she did come back and finish the interview with Mike.

(01:37:40):
And here is a little bit more of what he asked.

Speaker 10 (01:37:42):
Are you literally telling us there was no investigation at all?

Speaker 11 (01:37:48):
Y's correct?

Speaker 10 (01:37:50):
So what was going on between when they elevated the
situation in July to what happened last week where you
got reinstated. What literally was happening in that period of time.

Speaker 11 (01:38:02):
Well, for me, I was working with my lawyers to
be reinstalled. That that was always my primary focus, and
them negotiating with the lawyers as to how we could
do that. So I was in survival mode, Mike, and

(01:38:23):
I was I was fighting for my life. So that's
that's really what two months was worth.

Speaker 10 (01:38:30):
Okay, So, just for clarity's sake, you were never told
why you were being stood down and there was no investigation.

Speaker 11 (01:38:39):
Uh correct?

Speaker 10 (01:38:41):
So what did your lawyers say?

Speaker 25 (01:38:43):
But what.

Speaker 11 (01:38:45):
Well, they said a lot. And I'm not gonna that's
one of the things I'm not going to repeat, but
they actually said a lot. But what what I can say?
I know I've been told actually by my mind. Can
you stop saying that you don't know? But what what
I can actually say? These four things that really matter
to me and and those four things are about people.

(01:39:09):
They're about integrity, they're about process, and they're about the
Sewer Fund, legacy and the game. Those are the four
things that matter to me the most. I will one
hundred percent listen to players, like one hundred percent. That's
my one oh one. People are what I do and
I actually want to win, So you know, I stand

(01:39:31):
strong on those four things.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
So that is part of the second part of that
interview with Mike Coskin and again no investigation who Lawyer
has said a lot of things, not much of which
she can share publicly, but her primary focus is getting
back and doing what she does best is coaching the
silver Ferns and getting them titled wins. So what do
you say? Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

(01:39:55):
that number to call?

Speaker 5 (01:39:56):
Hey you, Heather, Hello Taylor.

Speaker 25 (01:40:00):
This is actually a really daunting conversation for me to
have because I have been listening to news talk set
be over this entire saga, and everyone to a man
is totally saying that everything is right with the coach
and al interor, and that everybody else is somehow in it.

(01:40:23):
Now I find that really worrying. Forget about the netball side,
but about the actual democratic side, where people can actually
look at it from another point of view. And I'm
not really sure why it is that everybody, and I
say almost everybody, I can hardly think of anyone. The

(01:40:47):
only one that mentioned anything a little bit different was
John McDonald this morning. But anyway, otherwise it's been hotline
and sinker straight in for her, and I don't I
find that undemocratic. I find it odd none of us
knows really what happened, and I find it worrying, as

(01:41:08):
I say, not just from the netball point of view,
but from actually where New Zealands are at here. So
I wish to say that, first of all, how can
you possibly believe that she didn't know why she was there?
I'm sorry, but you can't possibly believe that they didn't

(01:41:30):
tell her what was actually being given to her as
something to consider. That's just that's moronic. I don't even
get how that can be set. And then and for
everyone to believe it. Well, I'm not sure Mike did actually.
And then the other thing is that she is being

(01:41:58):
triported totally as the netball as the World Cup winning coach.
That was twenty nineteen. In twenty twenty two, we couldn't
even get no, we were third at the Commonwealth Games.
In twenty twenty three, we couldn't even get on the
podium in the World Cup. We were fourth, beaten by Jamaica,

(01:42:21):
Australia and England. Now that has never that doesn't seem
to come out. And I'm not saying this to try
and put her down, by the way, but i just
want a wee bit of perspective here. Then in January
when they go on a camp and by the way,
Grayson Wicki wasn't in that camp because she was playing

(01:42:41):
the Swifts, which is whom they played.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
Yeah, just quickly, because I'll respond to a lot of
these things you're saying, either, but just quickly on Grace.
She came out because you know, there was a lot
of accusations flying about who the players were, so that
was her primary reason of coming forward.

Speaker 25 (01:42:58):
To say, I'm not getting at her either, I'm just
saying that that she wasn't there and then they lost
all those four games. Now, I think who has been
protected here? And I wish that somebody would just wonder
just who actually is being protected. You can't just say
Netbule and New Zealand are all stupid. I'm not an

(01:43:19):
apologist for them.

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
Well good on you, Heather, I mean, look, it's good
for you pushing back and you've got to question the
narrative as you see fat But I'll tell you why
I am leaning towards the side of Dame nol and
Tota at this stage is that the absolute silence and
lack of transparency from Netball New Zealand as to what happened.
And she mentioned it to Mike Coskin this morning that

(01:43:44):
she didn't know the allegations of the accusations and you
don't believe that, so you've got to you've got to
take somebody at their word, surely, I mean, until we
know all the facts.

Speaker 14 (01:43:54):
As well.

Speaker 2 (01:43:54):
But they haven't said that though, they haven't said anything,
and that's the problem, Heather. And look, I've been in
media long enough and been a journalist and actually worked
in pr myself to know that you never stay silent
in a crisis. You always front foot it and the
fact that Jenny was over a CEO on holiday.

Speaker 25 (01:44:09):
Somebody, But isn't it somebody to find what is going
on here? Because and nobody nobody has There's something going
on here that nobody knows and I'm waiting for that
to raise its head anyway. Thank you for listening, Tyler
and got.

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
On new Heather. No, no, it's nice to get a
different perspective. No, appreciate you calling up and thank you
very much. You know you've got to you've got to
push what you If you think that the narrative has
been secured, then you've you've got to push that. So
good on you, Heather. Do you agree with Heather? Are
you feeling the same way she is? One hundred and
eighty ten eighty Again, I've been following, like most of us,

(01:44:48):
following this saga since the beginning, and the complete silence
from Netball New Zealand as an organization was an absolute cocker,
no doubt about it, because when you're trying to defend
your position or give a reason why she was removed
as coach, you can't just leave that void for people

(01:45:09):
to start making up their own guesses. That's why you
had the witch hunt for who were the players that
had spoken out? And at first we didn't even know
what the allegations were where it started to leak out
bit by bit that it was a training camp where
some coaching elements rub some of the players up the
wrong way, and then you've got some of the former
players coming out of the woodwork to back up Dame

(01:45:30):
no Lean. So hence why I mean, that's that is
losing control of the narrative and everybody's a loser in
that situation. But the very fact that Neple New Zealand
has remained silent to me says that that Dame no
Lean has been treated unfairly here. But that is my thoughts.
What do you say, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number to call if you want to

(01:45:50):
send a text? Nine to two ninety two is that
number back? Very shortly, It is nineteen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:45:57):
Your home of afternoon Talk, mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:46:04):
They'd be all very good afternoon to you. It's sixteen
to form. We are discussed in Netball New Zealand. And
Dame Noel Lean Toto or rather speaking for the first
time in weeks about the whole messy saga as it
played out, and she couldn't really say hell of a
lot because she signed some sort of legal agreement. But
keen to get your views on what next for Netball
New Zealand and the Silver Ferns. Kida David, All right.

Speaker 6 (01:46:27):
Tyler, I find it interesting that the last call, I
had a good suspective and you decided that you'd spend
one minute thirty eight seconds giving yours perspective, trying to
just just some vary everything she said. I think you
need to put your listening years on for wee while and.

Speaker 2 (01:46:40):
Go back to David. David, hang on a minute. I'm
going to come back to you, but I let hear
the go and say her piece for a good five
minutes and let us say all her elements, and then,
as naturally happens in a conversation, I came through and said,
my opinion of it, that's how a conversation works.

Speaker 6 (01:46:57):
Well, you've come across two things. One first one might
go back to my interview with her. The second one,
one very revealing thing came out in Matt, and she said,
I've been told by my mind to stop saying I
don't know because she does know. Okay, she'd been pressed
on that she does know. She've been told not to
stop saying it because they don't know. Second thing, car,

(01:47:19):
this is my truth is there's just a copy out.
This is my truth. This is my truth. It's like
people saying I'm a female, that's my truth. If you're
a male or your female, I know, I don't know
what she did. No, my truth is I don't know. Well,
if you do know, you'll told something. You just disagreed
with that, and that's what's your truth.

Speaker 13 (01:47:38):
You don't know that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:39):
Yeah, I mean anyone who says this is my truth
multiple times. I keep what you're saying. David, that's an
odd turn of phrase, and it is a bit of
a pr spin when you usher out that line. But
talking about that, he said, she said, that's where it
gets murky, right, And I appreciate your view and Heather's
view that you've got some questions about what she was
saying in an interview. A lot of people do. But

(01:48:01):
for my own observation, I tend to agree, or I
tend to put my belief in what Dame no Lean
was saying, rather than the other way around. You disagree.
That's fine.

Speaker 6 (01:48:11):
A lot of people do, okay, but you were saying
you disagreed because they oisides keeping quiet, they signed a
sub sign agreement. Probably she had to skip quiet. Now
she's only came out today and started this. I would
say there'd be people in the background going, now, how
do we respond and what can we respond for out
making it worse, because they probably are not looking at
now going well do we want to make it worse?
We want to come out and say, actually, we told

(01:48:32):
of this, this and this, and she disagreed with it.
So that's you are true, she disagreed with that, but
which she was told that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:37):
It's very true.

Speaker 6 (01:48:38):
I mean, I eat all these callers to ring up
and say she didn't know.

Speaker 13 (01:48:42):
She knew.

Speaker 6 (01:48:43):
If she had lawyers, they would know and they would
be telling her.

Speaker 2 (01:48:46):
Hopefully we'll find that information out, David. But you're quite right.
I mean, on a pr side of things, if it
was all worked out and she's coming back into the
fold and we can all move on, it should have
been a united front, right, the CEO and Dame Nolean
doing these interviews together. That's certainly would have presented a
more united front that we could move on. And I
do agree with you that perhaps the interviews that Dame

(01:49:10):
Nolean did this morning with Mike and then went on
to do them with others might make things even trickier.

Speaker 5 (01:49:16):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:49:18):
Yeah, good to check with you, David. Thank you very much.
It is thirteen to four, Darren. How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 13 (01:49:26):
Yeah? Good? I tell her how you mate?

Speaker 2 (01:49:27):
Good mate? What do you reckon?

Speaker 13 (01:49:28):
Yeah? Yeah, he was pretty fired up when.

Speaker 2 (01:49:30):
He certainly was. Then it got me fired up, and
then it gets everybody on the art he was.

Speaker 13 (01:49:36):
Yeah, yeah, he was good.

Speaker 6 (01:49:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:49:38):
I like everyone's gonna have their opinion, absolutely, and I
can see what he's saying. But I mean, yeah, at
the end of the day, the buck stops at New Zealand,
Depp Boay. I mean, if the players have gone to
them and it's been created internally with Netball New Zealand,
then like what you're saying is and I'm I'm a
Dame Nolan. I like hair, but I think what she

(01:49:58):
said a couple of things this morning and her interviews
isn't quite right saying like that guy said about my
truth and you know that sort of stuff that sort
of complicates things when you start speaking most sorts of them.

Speaker 2 (01:50:10):
Yeah, it puts the antennas up of most most people,
doesn't it down. When you hear that sort of phrases, think, well,
that's there's something written by a PR person.

Speaker 13 (01:50:18):
Yeah it does.

Speaker 26 (01:50:19):
You know that she's just not helping herself with that
sort of thing. But at the end of the day,
whatever the complaint was, if there was legally an issue,
or it was at a point where it was untenable,
then Dame Noling would be gone. You know, it looks
like New Zealand and Nebbele have had to back down.

(01:50:40):
I mean, obviously we don't know all the intricacies about it,
but they've had to back down and reinstate here. Whether
that's for legal reasons or and we may never know,
but there is accountability on both sides, and hey, there
could have been genuine player wealthare issues that they've brought up.
But at the end of the day, no matter how

(01:51:00):
you want to play it out, Netble New Zealand haven't
handled it well.

Speaker 13 (01:51:05):
If that was the case of well, I mean, I've.

Speaker 26 (01:51:06):
Been involved in work and sporting team issues in the
past as well, and as a professional organization or whatever
has been brought up, it's obviously been poorly handled.

Speaker 13 (01:51:18):
I mean it has just right across right from a.

Speaker 2 (01:51:22):
Wead go nicely, said Darren. So, so do you think
this can be all put behind the organization and for
Dame Nolean or do you think there could be.

Speaker 13 (01:51:33):
It's pretty hard.

Speaker 26 (01:51:34):
I mean, like because I mean, obviously Dame Nolean, you
don't know she's saying yep, she's focused on that, but
deep down is there little is that little bit of
resentment and I mean Jenny Wiley or whatever name, she's
getting murdered in the press, like those sorts of people.
And because she's the she's the fatal point, because she's
the CEO, and unfortunately, yeah, kick, can all those people

(01:51:57):
come together? And then I've been in situations where people
can put it to the side and carry on working
or playing together. But there's also there's times where people
can't yes and something, and then people have got to go.

Speaker 2 (01:52:08):
Darren, Well, pot mate, thank you very much for you
for giving me a buzz. We'll take a few more
calls on this one. I wait, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that number of call and plenty of
texts firing through as well. We'll get to a few
of those shortly. It is ten to four.

Speaker 1 (01:52:21):
The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends
and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
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Speaker 5 (01:52:29):
That'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:52:31):
Afternoon. It is seven to four. A few more calls
about what's happened with Dame nolean Total or get a
Jessica good day?

Speaker 12 (01:52:38):
Here?

Speaker 6 (01:52:38):
Are you going very good?

Speaker 2 (01:52:39):
Nice to chat?

Speaker 27 (01:52:41):
I think we need to stop the crap hair a
little bit so. Dame Nolane is a hard as she's
old school, she's tough, she's disciplined, and in the score
at the moment, there are a couple of princesses.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
Oh look, a lot of people feel a lot of
people feel the way you feel.

Speaker 27 (01:53:00):
They would have made a bullying allegation. You have to
take it seriously because it's an h half thing. But
they haven't handled it well. But she is, she's a harder,
she's tough, and she's fear and she demands the best,
and she's doing when she's doing that she's doing, all
of us are favored.

Speaker 2 (01:53:15):
I mean the difference here in my eyes, Jessica and
keen to get your thoughts on it is at that
elite sport level. And you're right, we've got to be
careful around the mental pressures that elite athletes face, and
you've got to be mindful of that and have processes
in place. But it should be a tough environment. I mean,
that's why I'm not a sports person, you know, That's
why most of us never make it is because it

(01:53:35):
is incredibly tough, and you've got to be an extraordinary
person to get to that point. And ideally, at that
point you've got that mental strength to be able to
take some tough criticism.

Speaker 27 (01:53:48):
Oh absolutely. And that's also what she speaks to your
players as well. She demands that they rise. That's a
part of her philosophy and a part of her coaching technique.
And I could see how that could be interpreted in
a workplace environment really as being too hard and too billying.
But you were completely right. The premier athletes at the
time of their game, this is what this is what's

(01:54:10):
surmanded of.

Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
Them and the future of the Silver Ferns with Dame Nolen,
do you think this can all be moved on from
Jessica or do you have doubts that she can still
be successful.

Speaker 27 (01:54:23):
I think that they're going to They needs to an
eternal investigation in Antonize on Nipple, and I think that's
why she stayed around because she needs she knows that
she needs to hold that team together while it happens,
because that's you know, a woman's got a pride and
she's she's been incredibly successful. So I think that's why
she's come back, because she knows it needs to be
done and she knows it needs to be someone strongholding

(01:54:45):
the reins when it happens.

Speaker 2 (01:54:46):
Yeah, great, cool, Thank you very much, Jessica. I think
we've got time for Calvin. Get me old mate from Hamilton.
We've got about sixty seconds. What do you reckon?

Speaker 18 (01:54:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:54:55):
Good ass And Tyler, there's no question at all about
Dame Nolan being a fantastic coach. In the period of
five Ossie teams and five New Zealand teams competing for
nine years. Dame Nolen was the coach of the Wake
of the Openny Magic team in twenty eleven, which was

(01:55:17):
the only team only New Zealand team in that competition
to have won it. So there's no questioning her ability
and sometimes in different circumstances, you may be forced to
sign something and in reality stating that you were not

(01:55:37):
being forced to sign it. In other words, if you
wanted the discussion to carry on, you've got to abide
by the instructions of what you've signed, even though it's
saying that you haven't signed it under being coerced or
anything like that.

Speaker 2 (01:55:54):
Yeah, that's the tricky part, Calvin. Always nice to hear
from you, mate, Right, that is where we'll wrap it up.
Good discussion when we will see where that goes from
here for Neple New Zealand and Dame Nolean as she
comes back into the folder. By the way, if you
want a toe out the full interview with my Costking that
is available right now on the news Talk ZEDB website.

(01:56:14):
Thank you very much everyone who called and text and
today decided to play this great song from Dolly parton
Joel Leane simply for the fact that it kind of
sounds like nol Lean. So that's all the justification we need. Hey,
thank you very much for today. We'll do it all
again tomorrow. Until then, give them a taste.

Speaker 1 (01:56:38):
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