Full Show Podcast: 04 August 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Full Show, Podcast number one seventy five for Monday, the
fourth of August twenty twenty five. Fantastic show. Today, Boy,
oh boy, did we hear a lot about botox and
that murky world of botox.

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Got a lot of use apparently, Yeah, not just for
the old wrinkles.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yep, there's a lot of medical uses. Gets a bit
gross at one point, but also I think we solved
the NCAA problem and also very heated discussion about what
might stop the government from getting elected.

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Big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons, News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Said, be good after noon to you. Welcome into Monday's show.
Hope you're doing fantastic. Whek if you're listening in the country, Hey, Matt,
it's messive.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
We yawn their mate he apologies, it's not because on board.
I'm very excited about the show, but I had a
massive weekends around a half marathon down in top Forth.
Did you fantastically run event?

Speaker 4 (01:27):
Down?

Speaker 5 (01:27):
There?

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Was such a good time running the half marathon on
Saturday morning, and also had to watch you know, three
practices qualifying and then the race across the weekend, So
a lot of late nights watching. If one what a
result for Liam Lawson and my boy Lando and the
McLaren fantastic was all worth it. So if I yawned

(01:49):
a little bit, then it's not because I don't love
being here.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
It's a dedication yours.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Just I had a lot to do on the weekend,
a lot of important stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah, and I know you raced that trek a couple
of times yourself actually met he So did you do
better than Liam or Liam? Liam did pretty well.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
On my simulator. It's a difficult track there, as they say,
Monaco withall without walls, without houses. No, no, I've had
a bit of trouble actually give a difficult trick to
pass on.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah, well done to our boy Liam.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Absolutely unless you dive bomb people Max did on Hamilton,
My god, Lewis Hamilton, how about that? Just how upset.
He was seven time world champion, the most celebrated, argued,
the most celebrated Formula One driver of all time, and
then just in the post qualifying interview just saying I'm useless.
They should get another driver.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
That's crazy, isn't it? That Aposta syndrome affix someone like
Lewis Hamilton, who was one of the greatest if one
has ever seen.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
You would look at Lewis Herman say you're forty years old.
You've achieved so much. The world is your oyster. Yeah,
you've got your own yacht.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
You know, more money than you could ever spend in
your life.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
But still very unhappy.

Speaker 5 (02:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Absolutely, Right to today's show. After three o'clock, the rise
of botox. It's gone from a niche beauty treatment to
a blockbuster phenomenon with medicals bars and botox bars popping
up in cities all around the world.

Speaker 6 (03:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
I still don't get it. So we're going to get
to the boondo of it. What does it do? What
does it do to your face? Why are people doing it?
Why is it getting more and more and more popular.
After two a clock, the n CEA is being thrown out,
removing inca level year eleven and year twelve and thirteen.
What do you think about this? And there's a question.

(03:34):
There's there's a little line in the proposal, Tayler.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
There is, and this one caught our attention. So the
bullet point was creating new subjects and standards to support
stronger vocational pathways codesigned with industry experts in areas like construction, automotive,
and hospitality.

Speaker 5 (03:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
So what subjects do you think would be more helpful
for children to do at the end of their high
school careers that will set them up to succeed in life.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Yep, that's a great question and it's going to be
a good discussion after talk.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
To help our economy succeed, Yeah, fill the slots that
we need, yep. Teach people to do the things we
need them to do so they can find jobs and
everyone succeeds.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Nicely said, that is after talk, clop. But right now,
let's have a chat about the National Party. So outgoing
National Party board chair Peter Goodfellow. He highlighted what he
sees as the biggest threats to national being re elected.
He stepped down after thirty years with the party over
the weekend at the conference, but Unsurprisingly, his biggest worry,
he said, was the economy.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, that's the economy, stupid. Yeah. So what do you
think the biggest risks are for National? And if you're
on the other side of the spectrum, you might be
thinking what are the biggest weaknesses to be exploited for
your side to get in But you've got to say
it has been tough times. There is a lot of

(04:55):
pushback against this government on social media and a lot
of pushback in the media. You've got to say, I
was watching one News this last week and I'm going
say they no fans of the government.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
No, they what the booden?

Speaker 2 (05:10):
They've decided where they sit on it. They they're they're
opposed to the government. They are broadcast that's opposed to
the government. So that that's a head win for the government.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Absolutely. We've got about fourteen months into the election, so
this is a biggie. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. What do you see is the
biggest threats to National being re elected or what are
their weak weaknesses that could be exploited? Really keen to
ever chat with you on this. I eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number of call.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Here's a text, it's just come through. There is nothing
they can do. National is cooked. Sanity will be restored.
No one has destroyed an economy quicker than Luxen and
his crew of no nothings.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Who straight off the bat. Love that. What do you
say to that text? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. It's twelve past one.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
talks that'd be.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Very good afternoon due it is a quarter pass one.
So what are the biggest threats to the National Party
being re elected in about fourteen months time?

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Love to hear from you, Poles a bs. There is
no way when it comes to the currunch we would
put the economic terrorists back. And I say this as
someone who voted Labor my whole life until last time.
National far from perfect, but at least they aren't irresponsible. Yeah, okay,
well it's two sides to that. From the last two
text we've read out. The other one I read out
was there's nothing they can do Nationalist cock. Sanity will

(06:31):
be restored. No one has destroyed an economy quicker than
Luxon and his crew have known nothing. And as it
was pointed out in this thing from Peter Goodfellow, very
polarized at the moment.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Absolutely two extremes there, Simon, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 7 (06:48):
Not too bad, guys. I just think some people have
got a real short memory. And I've voted labor too,
and I'm so so ashamed. During that large term of
the economic ruin, they were spending money and giving money
out like a drunk sailor on pay day, and they

(07:12):
basically people forget that. National and the Coalition have had
to undo that stitching for a good year and a
half before they can actually do what they've wanted to do.
They've had to undo the damage. And actually they knew
it was time to pay the piper. And I went
through this in the UK with a labor government before

(07:35):
the global financial crisis, and I've voted conservative part of
that because I actually thought they would have though they
came in with austerity. I didn't see any other way
that there was. The piper had to be paid. It
was the end of the boom times and sometimes you
have to have a little bit of austerity. I wish
it'd come to an end soon, but it had to happen.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
If this is if that is true that there, you
know what you're saying there. Do you think National is
failing to get that message across or is it just
that people don't follow polic to the level you do,
Simon and I do, and Tyler does, and they just go, hey,
right now things aren't going so well. That's the current
government's fault.

Speaker 7 (08:19):
Yeah, that's looking for those first seeds. And what Christopher
Luxeen does need to do, and I'll be his critic
here or advisor, is not go after the John Key
legacy who was all economy economy and the rockstar economy,
have a little eye on social development and the poorer

(08:43):
parts of the economy. So when we get those first seeds,
let's not chuck it all into the housing market like
normally happens, where money starts wheeling around, and let's put
it into small businesses that then actually produce something. Because
when your house price goes up by three hundred thousand dollars,
nothing more has been produced. When business goes up by

(09:04):
thirty percent, the GDP of this country goes up.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
What kind of policies do you think could be put
in price to encourage that kind of behavior.

Speaker 7 (09:13):
Signon, okay, Lowering interest rates which are a bit nervous
about loaning any further because it always migrates towards the
housing market. There's many tools they can use, including capital
gains tax. I lived in the UK. I've still got
a property over there. If I sold it, I'm playing
capital gains tax on the profit I make, not the

(09:35):
whole property, on the profit I make, because it's like
the sharing market, So they need to make sure the
people's second houses realize you're going to pay some money
on the profit that you make and stare some money
away from the housing market. If it goes away from
the housing market, it goes into small businesses. That's what
should have happened during COVID. It was supposed to go

(09:58):
to small businesses, yet the housing market went boom.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Do you think that a national government, though, could be
re elected if they bought a capital gains tax.

Speaker 7 (10:07):
I. I truly think they'll be re elected anyway, because
I think a multitude of New Zealand, like myself, haven't
forgotten what labor did, actually realized labor haven't done any
wholesale changes to themselves for the reasons that they got
voted out, and I think it'll be another term, whether
it's a national majority or whether it's another coalition. I

(10:30):
don't have a problem with that because Chris Hopkins. You know,
I was looking at Chris Luxen this morning and I
liked what.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
I heard of them.

Speaker 7 (10:37):
And I'm not and I'm not in love with him,
but I liked what I heard of him. He is
like down to priss tacks. The next time I see
Chris Luxon eating a pie for the publicity, I want
to throw up.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
It's a fair enough. There is a lot of pie
eating and sausage rolly eating in politics in New Zealand,
it's for sure. But looking ahead to the election time
and there's a couple of things that National have announced
because they think it's the right thing to do and
it's not entirely popular, like raising the retirement age, for example.
Do you think when we get closer to the election
and it feels like it will be a close one,
that they're going to do away with some of those

(11:11):
more controversial policies, even if it's the right thing to do.

Speaker 7 (11:16):
Yeah, well, we all kind of know that the retirement
age is going up. Let's not put it up at
a five year block, and let's put it up by
a year two years at the most people. Most people
have got their head round that we're all living longer.
And if you still want your retirement age in twenty
years at the same age, you've got to realize the
economics the pyramids upside down. Then we're getting a greater

(11:41):
aging population.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yeah, but you're right there, Simon. But will they get
rid of it because it is controversial? You see what
I'm saying is it's going to be a close election
and they're not doing as well as they thought they
were going to be doing at this time of the
election cycle. So even if they know that's probably a
wise move financially for this country, they'll get rid of
it to get back in.

Speaker 7 (12:02):
I think if they said they'll get rid of it,
I think they would just be doing that for political
purposes you re elected. I think the biggest one is
question labor, Okay, what's your idea for the retirement age,
and actually question them on the figures. But I don't
think l I think they're policies are on the back
of the closage stamp.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah, nicely said Simon, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
This text says Chris Bishop and charge Luxe and Finance minister,
and they will romp home. And this Texas says the
media is so biased in favor of National they will
win even despite the damage they have done.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (12:38):
One of what media that guys?

Speaker 3 (12:40):
It can't be too many outs that guy a gal
is consuming? Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. It's twenty one past one. What
are the big threats to National being re elected or
what are their weaknesses? Love to hear from.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
You putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic
asking breakfast.

Speaker 8 (12:57):
Christmal Luction's with us fifteen percent. You've said on the
show a number of times we don't want to be
materially worse off than anyone else.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
You lose because you are well, we've.

Speaker 9 (13:06):
Got a new minimum standard for those countries that are
selling more than what they buy from the US.

Speaker 8 (13:10):
Tim Grocers, whould you stand zero chants of getting the
suggested in any ways?

Speaker 10 (13:14):
Is you right?

Speaker 4 (13:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (13:15):
I think it's pretty unlikely present. It's pretty fixed in
his firm views.

Speaker 8 (13:18):
So you are hand on heart telling us you could
have done nothing more.

Speaker 9 (13:22):
I think we had very good engagement at official ministerial level.
This was a lump decision made pretty last minute. All
countries with the deaths that get ten minimum, all countries
with a surplus get fifteen minimum.

Speaker 8 (13:31):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Husking Breakfast with
Rain Drover News Talk z B.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Very good afternoon to you. We are talking about the election.
What are the biggest threats to National and its chances
of reelection? Pete, Peter excuse me, good Fellow the format
he's just retired former chair of the board, says that
the economy is the biggest threat to the National Party.
What do you say, oh, one hundred and eighteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Is says I agree. The media is mainly pro National.
I wonder if she's watched one news she's one of
the biggest.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Do we want to go down the list? I may
come on, dear text.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
I would probably describe the state radio station as being
particularly certainly not Dallas smoking to the show.

Speaker 11 (14:18):
Yeah, hi, guys, do you think that Luxe will get
rolled before the election, because I don't think he will.
I think I'll stick with them.

Speaker 12 (14:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Peter Goodfellow seems to think it's a good idea to
keep to keep him on, and points out that his
leadership has sorted out a lot of the instability of
the previous problems that National has had and that can't
be overlooked, right because it's one thing having a super
popular leader, but if you've an absolute turmoil and everyone's

(14:47):
trying to stab each other in the back, that's not
a very great good way to get elected either.

Speaker 11 (14:53):
Yeah, what about you, Tyler, do you think he will
get rolled?

Speaker 13 (14:55):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Forty months out from the election, give or take. So
I think he'll stay with it, And I don't know
who would take his place if he was to get rolled.
So that's always the big question, right is by large,
I think he's doing a pretty good job. To remember,
he's got coalition parties that he's working together with and
that's not an easy task for anybody.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Well, here you go, Dallas. This text just came through
as you're saying that Erica Stanford is the new National
leader and they will win hands down. Chris Luxon is
a nice guy and very competent, but no people appeal
and lacks inspiration as a political leader. Would do well
as the Finance minister, though that's the text. Yes, is
that as Chris Bishop and charged Luckson as a finance minister?
What do you reckon?

Speaker 6 (15:33):
Dallis?

Speaker 11 (15:34):
I love Erica Stanford. I think she's doing great things
in education. But I'll keep her there because because of that.
You know, she's doing a great job in education, I think,
so I would, well, why would you move her from
that and just burden her with the leadership?

Speaker 6 (15:50):
You know?

Speaker 11 (15:50):
And people have said, you know, she's a bit short
few sometimes to be a leader. She gets a bit
emotionals and arms.

Speaker 6 (15:59):
And a bit short.

Speaker 11 (16:02):
So yeah, I can't see her, but I think she's
the best thing they've got going for them.

Speaker 14 (16:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (16:09):
But their weakness, their weakness of National Party is Act
and New inter First, they gave away too much power,
especially to David Seymour in the negotiations, and they've been
reaping their results ever since. I think, you know, it's
just like almost trumpions, the way they've pushed through things
and the dead of night without consultation, pushed through these

(16:33):
you know, like executive orders, almost, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yeah? Well, I mean Labor did a lot of that
as well, though, didn't they. But if you look at
this poll and just bring up here from the tenth
of July. So the coalition is looking pretty good though,
So you say that act in New Zealand first are
National's problem but together looking at sixty five seats and
the opposition coalition fifty seven seats. So isn't that just

(16:58):
MMP that you end up having to be in bed
with people that you don't necessarily one hundred percent agree with.

Speaker 11 (17:05):
Yeah, I mean if you look at Labor and National
that pretty similar parties. It's it's the extremes on the
left and the extremes of the Light which drag these
central parties too far in either direction.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Before the previous lection that I asked, uh, Chippy, you know,
you know, tell me why you guys aren't a more
natural coalition partner with National than you are with the
Greens or to Patti Mali, and he was like, oh, no,
we're very, very, very very different. But then I don't know,

(17:41):
are you that different? I mean, you're not as different
as the as the extremes?

Speaker 11 (17:46):
No, we we we think so more different only because
of the extremes I reckon.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
But then again, but then again, you know it might
be the case that both sides actually that's part of
their their belief that labor sits where they do because
they know that they have the Greens to pull them
in this way, and nationals sit what they do on
policies because they can allow act to pull them in
a way that they kind of secretly don't mind, if

(18:13):
you know what I'm saying. If they if there was
just if it was first past the post, then those
elements would all be in each party.

Speaker 11 (18:21):
Yeah, they would, but wouldn't be the extremes you know
that we get under m P.

Speaker 6 (18:26):
I mean m P.

Speaker 11 (18:27):
You know it's got good points as well. We discussed
this before. But the weakness of MP is the tail
wags of dogs, isn't it.

Speaker 7 (18:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (18:37):
And I wonder if m MPs is heightened by social media,
and you know the polarization of that. You know, m
MP pushes you get, you get more play with, more
full on things on social media. The algorithm likes you
to say something quite extreme and and so so maybe
m MP is under stress from social media.

Speaker 11 (19:00):
Yeah, I think that you want that TV one like
I can remember last year TV one hammered Labor.

Speaker 5 (19:07):
Mike is sure.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Dallaus we just lost to Dallas.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Jallus was taken down by the deep state.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah, look, some fair points, but I you know, to
all those texts coming through and saying the likes of
one news and R and Z doesn't have a bias,
I mean it's clearly wrong. Many many polls would show
there is a leaning and I suppose to have a
healthy media, you've got to have a balance there, But
no doubt about it.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
If you don't have cohesion as a nation, New Zealand
is doomed. The people who wax lyrical about labour need
to take off their pink tinted glasses, think like growing
ups and face reality because life is going to get
harder before there is a dawn of prosperity. Labor voters
should have a look at the businesses that are closing daily,
the people that are leaving this once great country and droves,
and give this government a helping hand instead of hitching

(19:54):
and bitching and moaning about it.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Good text.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Well, yeah, but I guess the people who are also
looking aunt businesses closing and going who's in charge right now?

Speaker 3 (20:03):
Yeah? Exactly? Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call what is the biggest threat to national all?
Being re elected? What are the big weaknesses And if
you want to jump in and have a chat about
the threats to labor, you more than welcome. Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
And hopefully Dallas is alright. I just got cut off there.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Yeah, we'll get them back. We'll get them back. Glatori's
all right, yeah, yeah, just off here. It is being
on a buzz one.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
I think the deep state took him down.

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Speaker 3 (21:46):
Thank you very much, Wendy. And we are talking about
the biggest threats to the reelection of the National Party.
It's former head of the National Party Board, Peter Goodfellow.
He has retired over the weekend, but he said to
The Herald that the biggest threat is the state of
the economy.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah, that's right to quote the man. Oh no, oh no,
here we go to quote the man. Things that can
hit you from left field at economic shops, socks and
trade wars, both of which are definitely in play right now.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
I mean that's the thing with New Zealand. We are
just a little paper boat on berg Sea's.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah, very nicely said eight hundred and eighty ten eighties
and number to call.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Luxon is so refreshing as a leader, he trusts his
colleagues to do their work and doesn't have to be
the face of everything like de Cinda did. Thank god
those look at me just in the days have gone,
says this Texter Wayne. Welcome to the show, Paddy matt Day, a.

Speaker 6 (22:36):
Great, great game, you guys, It's really good. Were out
there will be wanting to hear what you guys have got,
saying a re electing National Well, at the end of
the day, I suppose you sit down here and think, well,
I've got Chris Luxon, I've got David Seymour, and I've
got Winston Peters. Okay. Then I flipped the page and

(22:58):
I've got Chris Hopkins, and I've got the Green Party
and then I've got Mary Party. Ah well, okay, what
which way do I go? And And as far as
like the economy, the National Party had been have had
ministers overseas doing trade things they've had. Uh, the guys,

(23:21):
the tradement is over in the States now, trying to sort
out the tariff, maybe demon traveling around the world, building
up some way of getting the people know where we are.
And and like the media, well, you can't really get
on to the media because I mean to say what
I want to be. Sorry, GIVI and Z. You've got

(23:43):
mighty Sherman, You've got better collars. They're just so Jack
claimer is probably one of the biggest ones now. He's
really gone out of his way and they are just
they just nothing is good from from them for for national.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
I just do you think do you think if it
was the opposite, do you think it's just that they
are going after the current government because the government is
putting things up to criticize. What do you say think
if that was the other side and they'd be going easier.

Speaker 6 (24:14):
I think it's just the fact that they're they're they're
anti national or they're they're lefties. Because at the end
of the day, I sit down, I watched the Parliament
and I also watched Q and A on a Sunday,
and like just lately now we've had Mikey Sherman's taken
over from Jack Dame. That doesn't help an you are
and they just got nothing to be the Collins that

(24:38):
they don't even put things in about what National have done,
but they'll put a they'll put a punt or something
that Crusiflicans has said. You look on the news at
my time, you have ever see anything from National, But
you'll also see the reporters going up to the Labor,
the Greens that the Queens that just shooting themselves as

(24:59):
the football, all their things that they're doing. And of
course now Mary Party, you haven't even paid all their
fees and funds from John tam Eery.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
Yeah, a lot of of people agree with what you're
saying the same way. I think. You know, if you
look realistically at labor parties, chances their best bet is
probably trying to do a deal with New Zealand first, right,
and when some Peter's has already said he won't work
with a Labor party led by Chris Hopkins, So that
doesn't bode well if Chris Hipkins is still the leader.
But in general, you can can you understand the sense

(25:27):
of frustration out there from traditional National voters that change
isn't happening fast enough that they still feel like they're
going backwards a little bit when these promises were made
that we're going to get out of these doldrums. Now
there's a good argument there that a lot of the
stuff is outside of the control of the National Party,
but there's still some fair questions there to get a
move on, right.

Speaker 6 (25:47):
Yeah, Yeah, You've got you've got Shane Jones driving around
the West Coast doing all this mining, draw baby drill,
and then you've got Winston Peters and them and Shane
filling holes four hundred plus people and they're just coming.
They're just getting so much stronger, and they're probably going
to pour a lot of the National Party votes will

(26:09):
probably turn away to maybe uh New Zealand first. I
don't think they're going to hand. They might pick up there,
but hey, David Siema not.

Speaker 16 (26:17):
Doing things any any any good at the moment Easters.
It's hard to say where he's going really, But yeah,
I just I'm a national support but initial support for
many years, and my first started there. My dad was
a navy man and of course he was he bore
a maker and had all the engineering degrees and stuff,

(26:40):
and he was labor and because I was at that
age where I never never thought of anything else, and
then you've become a union galget of course, you know
sort of I sort of followed labor, but uh those
days are gone now. But I mean, it's it's a
it's a rock and a hard place.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah, I think if you call one yep, some good
thoughts there. Hey, sorry to hear your year, but who's
in charge now? Comment Matt. You are influencing public opinion,
mostly in a positive way, but it's unfear to build
expectations for instant gramification. When you jump on your brakes,
how long does it take for your car to stop?
With a thought? Cheers? Yeah, But I mean I just
asked the question. And I think there is definitely a

(27:17):
segment of a huge segment of the population of New
Zealand that don't follow politics to the level that many
people that listen to Newstalk ZEDB or host Newstalk ZEDB do.
And so when you're just working at your job and
you see a business go out or that you that
you frequent, you know, some people aren't seeing the totality.

(27:38):
And as it has happened so many times in the past,
they blame who's currently in charge.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
They do.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, whether that's fear or whether you know, whether anything
could be different, They just go, oh, that place is
out of business. It must be that the country is
not going in the right direction.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Human nature, isn't it For a lot of people out there, Absolutely,
it is a.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Lot of people don't follow the ebbs and flows.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
Yep, nicely said, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. What is the biggest threat
to national being re elected? Love to hear your thoughts.
It's nineteen too.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
talks that'd be.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
Very good afternoon, shee what is the biggest threat to
national being re elected next year? Eight hundred and eighty
ten eighties and I'm gonna call.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
I think some people that listen to the show don't
understand that you when you read texts out, you're reading
people's opinions out. It's not sick people texting me that
it's my opinion because I've read a text out. That's
not how it works. We read a text, it's what's
coming from someone else. And we share the opinions with
people and we try and even them up a little

(28:44):
bit here and there exactly.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Yeah, there's a lot of texts and opinions that come through,
and we try to get to as many as possible.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
There, Matt, you and Mikey Schuman have gone to the
same spin school.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Oh my god, do you.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Know that's fair enough? People don't know how it works. Okay,
So people call in with their opinions, people texting with
their opinions. We read the text out, you know, and
some of the opinions may you agree with and they
you may not. Yeah, but read it out doesn't mean
it's my opinion exactly.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
Okay, here to listen. There we go.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Anyway, bless everyone, love you all. Welcome to the show.
Tom on my phone doesn't my phone doesn't work, so
I can't turn this corse.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Tom is waiting with baited breath, but we're having some isshoes.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
There we go, Sorry, Tom, my phone, my phone didn't work,
so I left your hanging. Welcome to show your thoughts.

Speaker 14 (29:36):
Good afternoon, Jens. Hey, Yeah, I reckon all the all
the keywis that are running at the out the door
for OZI would be National's biggest worry because there'd be
they definitely would be national voters, able bodied people on
the move. So yeah, and that's that's a lot of
people that you're losing. I'd say it be a lot

(29:58):
less labor people because they they wouldn't be as I
don't think as as well, where I say entrepreneurial make
the move.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
It'll be interested to get some stats on that, wouldn't
it so? And I wonder if the numbers are enough
to affect the outcome of election. But yeah, who's who
who's leaving more? Yeah, I don't. I don't have any
stats on that, but interesting. I mean, when the numbers
get up as high as they are, you would think
it would have some effect on the elections.

Speaker 14 (30:28):
That's a big voter base, predominantly national voters. I don't
think Luxin's must chop anyway, minde. I don't think we've
had much chop in prime ministers and some Helen Clark,
to be honest, so was key was all very all,
very nice, nice being the main word. He just he

(30:51):
let house prices rip through the roof, immigration out of control.
And I think Luxon's key light. And as for the
last one, we had. It's yeah, enough said on that one.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Is there anyone that you would like to see as
a leader? Is anyone in the current crop that stands
out to you as being someone inspirational?

Speaker 14 (31:15):
Whinnie?

Speaker 2 (31:18):
It seems to be rising rapidly in the polls Once
Ston Peter's.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
He's one of the job for a long time.

Speaker 14 (31:23):
I think, yeah, yeah, not being just the deputy, he'd
let the he'd like the main role for surely.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
He's got three times. It's quite amazing.

Speaker 14 (31:33):
Yeah, I honestly don't see a lot of national Yeah,
it's quite probably the police minister Mark Mitchell. Yeah, he
seems to have. He seems to be I'm sick of
the nice of these all the nice nice sort of

(31:54):
carry on. Sometimes you're gonna get tough and you're going
to put the big boy pens on and we haven't
had that.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
It's interesting for a political party, isn't it, Tom, Because
you can get movements based around a super charismatic leader.
And you might say that that's the case with miss First,
right with Once. But what if your party is doing
the right thing but just doesn't happen to be in
a cycle where they've got that inspirational leader.

Speaker 14 (32:16):
Don't disagree, and they've got a hell of a hell
of a road, d'hoe. But after the if they get
re elected, you can't blame the other lot anymore. But
in the cycle yep, by all means right, So you.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Get three three years blaming the other lot, and then
then it's your your, your lot.

Speaker 14 (32:31):
Yep, it's your your Yeah, it's your bad. And if
you had re elected others, I tell her what I've
said said, either lock your back and again New Zealanders, Yeah,
I'll be going to AUSI.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Do you agree that. A lot of people, though, will
just see the circumstance as it is for them right
now and and vote like that. So so and this
the economy is going well when the elections rolls around,
then nationals in trouble. If it is going well, then
then they're not because people aren't seeing the totality of it.
They're seeing how what they're experiencing day to day.

Speaker 14 (33:07):
Or it took the smell for the show up six years,
so it's got a leg I think of three years
of a term, I mean, and if New Zealand's are
that short sighted, then God help us all to a
certain extent.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
So be honest Tom, Thank you very much for giving
us a buzz. Appreciate your thoughts. Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
The sexes is Unfortunately one cannot trust Winston. He could
quite easily go with labor, so he's he's ruled outhippy,
but he hasn't ruled out labor exactly.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
Very crafty. All right, we're gonna play some messages, but
when we come back, we've got plenty of calls to
get to. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Eleven to two.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Matt Heath Tylor Adams taking your calls on Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heathen Tyler Adams
afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
B news talks.

Speaker 12 (33:54):
There be.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
It is nine to two full lines and.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Thousands of thousands of texts coming through, So I'll just
try and grab this one as it whips past my monitor.
It's not what the national national base think because they're unhappy.
They're not going to jump to label it's a labor.
It's the people in the who will pay attention weeks
out from the election. But frankly, Luxon is a failure
of your leader of a leader. I was considering national
in twenty twenty three and I'm glad I didn't. He's
the result of a rush rushed Boshed watched leadership change

(34:20):
from Collins. There you go. What does he stand for
except for growth? Well, a lot of people would say
standing for growth is probably the main thing that a
government should That's what we would do, Matt and Tyler.
The biggest risk for this government is stupid people. We're
a country based on welfare. Now that's from Sarah.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Thank you very much for those texts. Trevor, how are you?

Speaker 6 (34:40):
Hey?

Speaker 17 (34:41):
You guys?

Speaker 4 (34:42):
Gooday?

Speaker 18 (34:43):
Late?

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Now, what's your take on this one?

Speaker 17 (34:45):
No, well, I think Nashville will give back. This coalation
will give back. But you know the biggest thing that
would be helping the what the other team will put
together a coalition. I mean, we're all learning about this coalition.
But I mean the Greens, I mean labels definitely need
a lease of Greens a niche and it just will
appears power aggressive, says what they want on the clost for.

(35:06):
But being the co leader now, I think they'll be
more demanding. I mean that last guy like Mark Pritchell,
imagine if their bottom line for Agrees was Temoth and
Paul Minister of Police. Yeah, it's a hard you will
I don't have a job for a month because she
wants to bolish the police. She actually says that people
feel safer in Willington when more members are again members

(35:27):
of walking.

Speaker 6 (35:28):
Down the road in police and you know, cost full.

Speaker 17 (35:30):
But she'll be the Minister of Finance. She thinks straight
away all benefisheries should be given an extra two hundred
and fifty dollars a week now, straight away. So you know,
you've just got to think. And I'm not a I't
even mentioned party Mary yet, so it's I mean, we've
remained about this corlation. But you just imagine the Greens
and Labor, I mean Labor will meet at least the Green,

(35:52):
at least the Green.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
So do you think of the polls that do you
think the polls that we're seeing now, Trevor are are wrong?
Because if you look at the Greens and nearly always
around around ten percent, aren't they and Labor are around
thirty thirty two thirty thirty three the last polls we
saw that the coalition government was up on the other side.
But do you think things will change when it actually

(36:15):
gets to go into the polls, people go, hang on
a minute. It's all very well saying this when someone
rings me up, but let's have a think about this,
because you know, going back to what I said before,
most people don't think about politics much. Yeah, and probably
on the same level that people like you and I do, Trevor,
so that just at the election they might look at
it a bit closer.

Speaker 17 (36:32):
And I do think it's been a bit sluggish. But
I do think by Nick Lenchen, some of these things
that Nation will put on, all these cheaper boarding materials,
will be a massive change to the market, and I
think things like that will help us. But it's the
coalition of the labor, as I say, it greened the
dangerous around a country.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Yep, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Trev A lot of people that are texting and agree
with you, Trevor. Yeah, we've got time for Jeremy. Welcome
to the show, buddy.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
Good name. Jen.

Speaker 19 (37:01):
I think you're really a caller at the nail on
the head when she said there's a lot of sick
people in New Zealand, and I think people don't have
a proper for understanding that it's going to take a
long time in the Titanic from the previous damage that
that last government did, and until they actually get a
proper handle and unwrap all the stinky, dirty Christmas presents
that are left in every knock and cranny of this country.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
It's not going to move forward until we.

Speaker 19 (37:27):
Get a right grip on what has actually been spent
in this country.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Sadly isn't that though, Politics, Jeremy is that people do
not have patients out there on the electorate. They want change,
and they want it quickly. And some would argue they've
been somewhat patient for the last eighteen months. But if
they don't get it in fourteen months, National were really
in trouble. And that's just the reality. I agree with you,
But that's the reality of most people that vote.

Speaker 19 (37:49):
Well, it is, but that's what I come back to.
There's a lot of uneducated people in this country. They
want answers yesterday rather than actually knowing what hardyard looks like.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
But that is the electric So so if you're a
political party, you've got to do the business of running
the country, but you've also got to do the business
of selling how you're running the country. So do you
think National are doing a good enough job of selling
what they're doing to the people in a way that
these thick people can understand. Jeremy, Well, I.

Speaker 19 (38:19):
Think people are choosing what they want to hear. And
you know, it's a little bit like paying your house off.
You can't pay your house off in five years. Most
people can't anyway. It's just going to take time to
rebuild and regather what has been spent and damaged in
this country.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Thank you for your call, Jeremy.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Yeah, a nice place to leave it, thank you very much.
And a lot of people would agree with that.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
I think roughly thirty three percent are left and thirty
percent are right, and thirty three percent.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
Of swingers a lot of swingers.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Well, a lot of swingers, whatever you're into. And we'll
often vote on one policy and they decide the government.
It's not a very good system in democracy. It's as
they say, you know, it's not the greatest system. No,
it's that was the thing. It's the best system. Yeah,
it's a terrible system, part from all the rest. That's
the one.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
Yeah, you go, great quote and great, thank you very
much for everyone who phoned and called on that. Really
good coming up after two o'clock we want to talk
about n CEA big proposals to change it completely, but
creating new subjects is one of the core parts of
that proposal. So what should new subjects be introduced into
our secondary schooes? That is next.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
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Very good afternoons. You're welcome back into the show to
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Speaker 3 (41:02):
Go check it out. Absolutely right, this topic is going
to be great. So we want to have a chat
about the proposed changes to NCEA. The whole lot, it appears,
is going to be put on the back burner if
this proposal goes ahead and establishing a new system. But
it effectively looks like overall that it is back to
a similar situation we had before NCA, back to the

(41:25):
old school certificate situation.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Introducing clear marks out of one hundred alongside letter grades
A to E to make achievement easier than to understand.
I mean, I think there's a lot of parents like
me that were like that part of it. A lot
of parents I knew we're having to put report cards
and such through chat GPT just to understand them. Yes,
and this isn't atually one creating a new subjects and
standards to support stronger vocational pathways codesigned with industry experts

(41:50):
in areas like construction, automotive, and hospitality.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
That's a big one. So the subjects that they are
hoping to introduce into the next cohort as they say
they're going to get some industry experts to help them
with that. But that's what we want to have a
chat about what subjects should they be introducing at the
secondary school level. I think it's probably harder than to
zero down on what is going to be the best
vocational pathways for a lot of students. And arguably they're

(42:14):
going to focus on construction, automotive, hospitality, but.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
What about AI. Yeah, well that's interesting introducing this is
this is another big part of it. Introducing a standalone
foundational Skills award at year eleven to recognize literacy and numeracy.
So making sure that at year eleven that you cross
the things that you need to be across to succeed.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
That makes sense. Yeah, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. What subjects should be introduced
at the secondary school level under this new regime. Love
to hear from you if you're in the education sector,
really can to have a chat with you. If you're
a parent student, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Coming up very shortly, we are
going to have a chat with Patrick Drumm. Here is
the headmaster of Mount Albert Grammar School. He is all

(42:59):
over this and he's going to have some great analysis.
So we're going to have a chat to him next.
It is ten past two. You're listening to Matt and Tyler.
Very good Afternoon's.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
You your home of afternoon talk? Mad Heathen Taylor Adams
afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
They'd be very good.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
Afternoon June thirteen past two. So big changes have been
proposed to replace the current NCEA system with a new
national qualifications. To chat more about this, we are joined
by Patrick Drumm, here's the headmaster of Mount Albert Grammar
and joins us on the line. Now, Patrick, very good afternoon.

Speaker 12 (43:35):
Good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
How are you. What are your basic thoughts on these
proposed changes, assume you've had a chance to look at them.

Speaker 12 (43:41):
We had a brief chance to scan through them all.
I was fortunate enough to be present at the actual
announcement this morning, but quite a bit of information. But look,
I think overall is a sense of excitement. I suppose
really that we've we've had a pretty bold decision made
or announced, let's put it that way. It's been announced
in this consultation to follow, but certainly a feeling that

(44:02):
this is a really big step in the right direction
to addressing those concerns that we've heard enough over recent
times about in CAC. Yeah, pretty exciting amongst myself a
number of colleagues.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
What are your thoughts on the standalone Foundational Skills Award
at year eleven.

Speaker 12 (44:20):
Well, well, I think it's got mirrored on a number
of levels. Certainly a workload thing for teachers. Just we
many schools like men A Grammar School had actually done
away with Level one anyway already and instigated our own,
our own basically criculum and assessment at that level to
mitigate some of the challenges that that staff have been

(44:41):
facing for a long time. But I think we're wanting
students to stay right through, ideally to the end of
year thirteen, but certainly to the end of year twelve
and to hit your first formal qualification there. I think
it's called the New Zealand Certificate of Education is the
proposal there bit of a rejig of names, but to
hit that at year twelve is an incentive to keep

(45:01):
students right through to the end of year twelve. I mean,
it's that makes a lot of sense. We certainly not
wanting to see students leaving the compulsory education sector too early.
So I think the Foundational Award gives you a good
solid grounding in literacy and numeracy. So again it's it's
a precursor in many ways to that senior higher stakes

(45:21):
qualification following in the years that follow So.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
If you fail the Foundation's Skills at year eleven, do
you have to repeat or is there a pathway through.

Speaker 12 (45:32):
I think that's all going to have to be you know,
sorted out in the consultation process. But the Foundation Award,
I my understanding, is a big focus on literacy and numeracy.
We've actually bought that in the last year with these
corequisite standards that students need to reach. Now it's a
separate exam they've been sitting this year to get n CEA.

(45:53):
At the moment now you need to have passed those
literacy and numeracy standards and so it's it's created a
bit of a bit a bit of interest in terms
of raising the bar there. So this is nothing really
radical compared to what we've just we've already got operating
now in the schools and certainly you know, if you're
going to get NCAA Level three or or I think

(46:14):
it's the New Zealand Advanced Certipicate of Education is the
new name you'd hope that you'd had you had graduates
that were literate and numerate. So there's no sort of
I don't think the threat to the progress progression through
the senior school with that Foundation Award.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
What do you think about, you know, the introducing the
percentage marks out of one hundred alongside letter grades. Personally,
as a as a parent, I prefer that. Do you
think that's motivational for students to know exactly where they sit?
Or do you think it can just make kids give
up if they're not if they're not getting it nuanced information?

(46:51):
If you know what I mean, Well, it's a bit
of a no brainer.

Speaker 12 (46:55):
Really. The the rejig back in the early two thousands
of trying to repackage the way we reported achievement just
has created huge confusion. Certainly internationally. We would get students
wanting to pre rest of universities overseas they file their
report card with them, and we get universities contacting us
trying to understand why students have get all his ease

(47:17):
for excellence because and other jurisdiction he's not an excellent US.
So you know this common sense needed here. Yes, you know,
I suppose there is a concern that we're going back
to that sort of pass fail fifty percent mark, But
I think that is extremely motivating for students, and it
just the simplicity for parents and other stakeholders. We just

(47:38):
had to go back to a language which is universally
understood and internationally understood.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yeah, I mean, you just want to know the truth
as a parent and arguably as a child, you just
want to know where you sit, where you need to
do better. I mean, it's not the truth. The truth
can't be offensive.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
I would say, well, it's not.

Speaker 12 (47:55):
And I think that's one of the problems. The best
intentions of NCAA was tried trying to recognize achievement and
being very flexible about doing that. But we all know now,
and we've known for quite a while, that that the
actual information we're getting is not necessary the reality and
because it couldn't be compared between schools, even in the

(48:15):
same city, because chemistry in one school could be vastly
different than chemistry and another school. Because that flexibility, you
know that that lack of trust was just exacerbated with that.
So you know, we ended up with with with where
you got your qualification was was the main incentive, and
parents have voted with their feet. And there's certain schools
that are bursting at the seams because of of the

(48:37):
of you know, the the rigor or certainly the perception
of rigor in their in their curriculum.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Like your own school. Patrick, what's your take on the
point about creating new subjects with industry expert opinion on
what those subjects should be. Is there in your eyes?
What are the gaps that are needed for those vocational
pathways and do you have some sort of control as
a headmaster to design those as a school.

Speaker 12 (49:02):
Well, I think we will, and we've got a lot
of flexibility already around those vocational subjects. And I think
absolutely working close with industry, just like we need to
work close with our tertiaries as well. I'm about getting
this these these qualifications right. I mean, school is preparation
for the next step. It's not an end in itself,
and I think that's they Sometimes we get a bit

(49:23):
carried away in our schools. Don't we about about talking
about our exam results versus theeen results.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Whatever it might be.

Speaker 12 (49:29):
I mean, you know, but we're just really preparing students
for that next step. We must be working with those partners.
My only concern is that, you know, one of the
challenges in the current system is how the vocational standards
integrated with overall NCEA, and there's a lot of confusion there.
They are a standard based approach and now we're moving

(49:50):
back to a to a percentage, so Yeah. One of
the exemplars the Minister hand it out this morning was,
you know, a template which showed automotive angineer engineering seventy
four out of one hundred. I suppose if I want
someone fixing my card, like one hundred out of one hundred,
and you know, so standards based assessment reaching a standard.

(50:10):
You can repair a car, you can land a plane.
You know, there is a lot of sense and those
those skills based vocations having a standard a minimum standard,
whereas that's not necessarily the case with building knowledge over
it those other academic subjects. So how those It's going
to be a very interesting discussion around how these vocational

(50:33):
standards integrate within an overall certificate grade at the end
of your education. And I suppose there would have been
still an interest in looking at a totally separate vocational
pathway and supporting that, promoting it for students that are
very clear that they want to move into either a technology,
trades or whatever it might be based pathway. We're still

(50:55):
trying to probably cover the whole range with this new qualification,
and that's you know, we've fallen into into a few
problems with that in the past.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
We're talking to Patrick drumheadmaster of Mount Albert Grammer, one
of the biggest schools in the country. Are you concerned,
as some people have stated that this is going too
fast and how prepared are schools to implement such a
sort of wide scale overhaul because the year twenty twenty
six is being banded about for some of the changes.

Speaker 6 (51:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (51:24):
Well, we've been waiting for this, and to say the
waiting has led to schools doing their own things anyway,
and I think we need to put a little bit
of pressure on ourselves and there certainly will be that.
I think the consultation period is very brief, the turnaround
here it's four or five weeks. But you know, there's
been a lot of groundwork that's gone in here. The

(51:44):
professional advisory group that's been working with the ministry had
a range of principles and head masters from a great
diverse selection of schools, So there's been a lot of
work and if you could argue sort of consultation obviously
in a confidential setting in that advisory group already, you know,
we just how long can we wait for this? We've

(52:05):
been reviewing NCA basically for twenty five years and still
having got it right. So I just think we've just
got it. You know, we've got a very clear directive
from a minister who's pretty committed to this, and I
think we just got to run with it.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
What about kids that are showing excellence because you know,
we want people to get foundational, we want to get standards,
We want people to be able to achieve. But what
about the people that are brilliant? And we as a
country we need people are brilliant. So you know, you
talk about we talk about the foundational level year eleven.
What if you are well past that at year eleven?
Are we set up to help people young young people

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excel if they are brilliant?

Speaker 12 (52:45):
Well, I think this ability to have you know, I
think the five subjects and you're best out of one
hundred each, your mark out of five hundred, that's going
to be very motivating. I mean, I suppose it's one
of the big motivators for moving to the international qualifications,
isn't it. People in Cambridge schools doing Cambridge International exams
are all getting percentages. It's been a big driver for

(53:06):
success there. I think that, you know, remember we also
have a very rigorous New Zealand Scholarship exam right at
the top level of our qualification system. In fact, at
the moment, it's the only common assessment in the whole
system where students turn up on the same day and
sit the same exam. So you know, that's been a
big measure, a big motivator for many many students at

(53:29):
that upper end. I just think this is a fantastic
way of recognizing that, you know, maybe ninety percent in
the subject is different than eighty percent, or is different
than seventy five, and that again in itself, is a
real motivator how we get there and how those marks
are finally put together. A little bit of consultation needed
on that because he will be internal assessment still part

(53:50):
of most courses, and I think that's appropriate as long
as that internal assessment is very carefully externally moderated so
it's comparative between different schools. At the moment, it's not,
and that's what's causing the huge problem for us.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Patrick, really really good to get your thought. Thank you
very much. A lot of support on the text machine,
but keen to get your views on the changes to NCEEA.
The consultation is open until September before final decisions are made.
But particularly around those new subjects. They want to bring
in new subjects with industry support. What should they be?
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Got to say Patrick Drum runs a very good school
now Helm Grammar, great school.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Very good headmaster. It is twenty four past two.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Matd Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons. Call Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZV afternoon.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
It is twenty six past tu So we're talking about
the proposed changes to NCEEA, but focusing on the new
subjects and standards that they want to introduce. So this
is going to be with help from industry experts in construction,
automotive and hospitality. But what should students be taught at
that secondary school level? Oh eight hundred eighty ten.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Eighty Jason, your thoughts on this?

Speaker 5 (55:04):
Yeah, thanks to Gen j Before I do give you
my opinion. Now, what a great summation that that principle
from Mags gave. I think he's the way he spoke
with clarity, makes you know he's basically taught us everything
we need to know.

Speaker 4 (55:17):
What a real?

Speaker 5 (55:18):
Yeah, what a real?

Speaker 2 (55:20):
He runs a school of three and a half thousand
kids very well, and it's basically.

Speaker 17 (55:24):
A small down Yeah, a small town.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
He's running out there in Mount Albert.

Speaker 6 (55:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (55:29):
Look, I was just talking to a producer about what
my thoughts what these extra industry subjects to be introduced
should be. But do I get it right that there
will be nothing? Year eleven's basically done away with. They
don't really start entering qualifications now until year twelve, and
then you know they've done away with a year, basically,
haven't they?

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Year eleven Foundational Skills Award is to recognize focus on
getting your dutch in a row so you can move forward.

Speaker 5 (55:59):
Absolutely. I mean too many people lost from the system
education because they get despondent at that age. I think
an extra year to give them more grounding and prepare
is a good thing. But look, my opinion is it
starts and means with financial literacy. The reason I say that,
and I'm not saying that everyone wants to turn out
to be a CA or a CFO or or you

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know whatever being calendar, but how many times do you
hear in this day of people ripping people off that
and this is coming from people that you start off
a new business on their own if only had to
understood the numbers are better, I might have stayed myself
from going to the war because one of my employees
ripped me.

Speaker 4 (56:35):
Off half a million dollars.

Speaker 5 (56:37):
So I think that you know, that financial literacy, whether
it's in the form of being able to understand how
to read a P and L, well basically just understand
how accounts work, has got to be a good thing
for people entering the real world. As I say, it's
not a vocation that everyone aspires to, but look, if
you're going to set up your electrical business or your
own plumbing business, or your own whatever, having some good

(57:01):
foundation understanding of what make numbers add up, it's got
to be a good thing in today's world where you
know everyone.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Would you like to see, because say in the year eleven,
this foundational year, they're going to have a compulsory for
English and mathematics to be taken. Would you like to
see mathematics have that aspect to it. The numbers, the
practical numbers, numbers for you know, running a business.

Speaker 5 (57:24):
Yeah, not calculus, not too ex equals right, all that stuff.
Because a lot of people that doesn't make any sense,
and it never made any sense to me, I had
to understand and how to you know, how to you
know how to put together a profit and loss or something,
so something that's more outside that, less specific, but basically
it is more relative to how we operate in business
today and that can be done across any different streams.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Wouldn't you just go the full hole? And I was
thinking about this, Jase, I agree, But wouldn't you offer
maybe some sort of business basic business course to secondary
school students if they were interested in that? And I
say that because I think I have no real skills
in starting a business. I never have, Matt, you had
started several businesses, but that knowledge in depth knowledge to

(58:07):
start checking. But as soon as you leave school to
maybe give a crack to start in your own business,
that to me is only good news for the economy.
If it works, then they are you know, it is
a productive air set for New Zealand and for them
and they hire people. If it doesn't, you learn a
lot of good skills.

Speaker 5 (58:22):
Oh look, totally, genes, this future proofs our whole. You know,
the next generation of entrepreneurs and that you know they
it's got to be a good thing because they're never
too young at that age. To understand. I go to
some of these school things where they want people from
industry to you know, talk to some of their enterprise
you know, of course your enterprise studies, and some of

(58:44):
these young ones have got such great ideas, but you
look at them and think, you're so raw about what
that what you have to do to turn that dream
into into a commercial reality. So yeah, I agree with you.
Something that's got to be a good investment for the country.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
I kept trying to hassle my kids into starting companies
because you know, if you start something when you're eighteen
nineteen and you just work at it, you know, even
if it completely and blows up in your face, you'll
have learned so many lessons. And you could come out
with so many lessons at the age of twenty five
from a business, as long as you don't come out
with too much debt. Yeah, you know, but so many lessons.

(59:20):
Even if it blows up in your face and didn't
quite work and you had slightly the wrong, wrong business,
then I just think, boy, when you're young, that's the
time to take a punt. You know, when you when
you're quite before you have kids and you're quite happy
to sleep rough and just and just pour all your
energy into something, you know. But I don't know. I
don't know if a lot of kids are starting businesses

(59:41):
at twenty you know.

Speaker 5 (59:45):
Yeah, no, looking they're not. They're never two you owns
to get a bit of battle scars, you know, in
terms of it's not going to cost them. You know,
they're going to put them in the bankruptcy court and
it's not going to ruin them for life. But take
a few knocks, you know, and give it some Morialism
has got to be a good thing, you know. I mean,
we all want that next generation of Michael Hills and
you know, Graham Harts. You know where they're going to
come from.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Yeah, nicely, see Jason, that's a great thought. Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. That
was one of my big regrets looking back, that I
didn't take a punt on trying to start my own business. Genuinely,
I look back on those years and man, I should
have because you've got all these crazy ideas and arguably
most of them wouldn't have worked, if any of them.
But I still regret not taking a punt and trying it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Yes, but Tyler you've done a right all those decisions
they led you to my door. Could be my co
host on.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
This very true, very true, no regrets right. Oh one hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
The long and winding road led you here.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
If there was a long, long road, that's for sure.
Oh eight hundred and I'm for one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
I'm happy.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Yeah, me too, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call? It is twenty eight to three.

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Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Thank you very much, Wendy, and we are talking about
the proposed changes to NCA.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
With respect to that last call. Assisis Texter as he
has right idea. The system needs to cater for real
life more, but accounting is definitely not one of those areas,
as this one hundred percent can quickly and easily be
done with AI. Now, the system needs to try to
predict where knowledge will be needed. Not an easy job,
but I would support a taxpayer funded group of real
expert slash thinkers to do that properly. Definitely, not a

(01:02:26):
bunch of crusty old politicians and principles. As from Kit,
it's a point about not all of the teachers involved
with this are krusty.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
It's an unfair generalization.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Some of them old and not crusty.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Yeah, very true.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Some of them are crusty and young.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Some young freshies out there. But it's a good point
about the AI and being an accountant. I mean, AI
is fast coming for a lot of jobs out there,
and I've got to say I think crunchy numbers is
probably one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Yeah, I think, yeah, I'll be interested in that. I mean,
I think I think there's a lot of the background work,
you know, around receipts and admin work around accounting. But
in the end, I think you want someone to sign
off the you know, your little black books at the
end of the year for your business.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
If I I D comes after you and say I'm
sorry that AI buggered it up, that's not much of
an excuse, is it. One hundred and eighteen eighty number
to call?

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Murray? Welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
Dog.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Are you being attacked by a small dog?

Speaker 18 (01:03:26):
Yeah, she heard me jump, so she jumped too.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
It's good guard dog.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
What kind of dogs that? Murray? Before we get into it, Adam,
what kind of dog are you running there?

Speaker 18 (01:03:36):
Miniature poodle? Grumpy female miniature poodle name.

Speaker 4 (01:03:42):
Milly.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Hey, Milly, what a good girl, Millie is? Let Murray?
You Let Murray talk to us and then he'll be
right back to you.

Speaker 18 (01:03:51):
Sus in charge. Hey, I'm listening to and I'm I'm
applauding Minister Stanford for what she's doing with INZA and
education in general. But I'm reminded that my mother left
primary school wanting to go to secondary school in nineteen
twenty four, one hundred years ago. Wow, and she had

(01:04:14):
to sit an exam because it wasn't automatic getting into
high school. It was automatic that you went through primary school,
but secondary school you had to qualify to do it.
And that was one hundred years ago. And looks like
we're heading back to the same thing today, which I
think is good. Kids today aren't allowed to fail, which

(01:04:36):
I think is wrong. You and I have all failed
at various times in our adult life. So why shouldn't
the as kids teachers into what the real life is
all about. And as far as mathematics or I'd rather
call it arithmetic, because that's all they really need. I
took my daughter who's now fifty two to an in

(01:04:58):
introduction to the teachers at how At College I guess
probably nineteen ninety five or thereabouts, and all of the
teachers introduced themselves I think quite a few of them,
at least six or eight, often with a giggle when
they said it said they had nothing to do with mathematics.

(01:05:19):
So that's you know, it's not new, and it didn't
happen this year or last year. It's been going on
for thirty years or more.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
Yeah, I mean it does feel like a bit of
a full circle moment. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Just I just texta here says financial literacy is taught
under NCA more literacy and numeracy at year eleven. Sounds
so boring. This is from a teacher called rich here.
I think there's there has to be. And with my kids,
I've always thought with their school, there is the basics,
and I think I like the idea of the financial
schools WARLD, but there has to be a little bit
at school that keeps you excited, right, Yeah, So I

(01:05:51):
don't think there's the end of the world if your
kids are doing outdoor education. And I think there's a
huge place at schools for art definitely and design and
you know, even photography. Absolutely, And I think I think
to get kids excited about going to school, there needs
to be a little bit of sugar.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
Yeah, medicine, you've got a foster passion and the education system. Absolutely.
Thank you very much for your call, Murray Andy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Welcome to show.

Speaker 13 (01:06:17):
They go and there you're going.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Good. You're picking up your kids to go to where
you're going.

Speaker 17 (01:06:23):
Oh, picking the kids up from school and take the
daughter off to dance.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Ah, good on you, good on your mate.

Speaker 4 (01:06:29):
Yeah, just thick you're the six.

Speaker 13 (01:06:32):
I'm loving the new policy, but I'm just a bit
flustered that it's it's going to start too late for
my boy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Ah see coming out the back of high school.

Speaker 13 (01:06:41):
He is in year eleven next year.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Ah right, right, well.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
It might come in. I think they're trying to turn
it around pretty quickly, aren't they.

Speaker 6 (01:06:49):
Ah.

Speaker 13 (01:06:49):
I think it doesn't well year, I don't think. Well,
what I read is that year eleven won't start until
twenty twenty nine.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Ah right, Okay, yeah, I think you're right.

Speaker 4 (01:06:58):
I took you wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
No, No, We've just got the WEE timeline in front
of us here on the on a WEAT cheat sheet
and you're right, So you're eleven comes in at twenty
twenty eight. It gets introduced next year a year eight,
so they're the lead cohort.

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
Start it, Start it tomorrow, Start tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
Yeah exactly. So what is it that you like about it? Andy?
What is really fizzing you about this new system?

Speaker 13 (01:07:22):
It's just straightforward, it's easy to understand. None of us
achieved NOTT of Thieves and excellence and it's just part
fail AVC Boom bring it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Yeah, I think I think that thing about a percentage
is you know in a grade that you actually know
what it is and you just get the truth because
there's no if you're not good at something, there's not
necessarily shame. You can either put your resources into getting
better at it, or you can put your resources into
doing something else. But there's you know, it's a terrible
situation if you sort of message the numbers to the

(01:07:56):
point someone thinks they're good at something that they're not
good at and waste their time on it, or thinks
they're good at something they're not and therefore doesn't put
the effort into it to be better. So I love
that part of it. I think percentages and raids has
got to be the way people need to know the truth.
Can't people can handle.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
The truth and give me the truth exactly. Yeah, and
you just quickly you mentioned your daughter. You're about to
take your daughter off to dance. Does she do dance
clants classes within the school system?

Speaker 22 (01:08:23):
Ah?

Speaker 13 (01:08:24):
No, she's she's she's only a year yes, seven, So
this this is going to work well for her, right yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
Yeah, Well, I mean, as a father, if that's what
she wants to try and have a crack at later
in life and perhaps even make it a vocation, would
you support more of those subjects being offered to her
at secondary school?

Speaker 4 (01:08:41):
Oh yeah, one hundred percent.

Speaker 13 (01:08:43):
Yep, yep, Because where my boy goes to college in
Hamilton is at they've got dance passes in the high
school there.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
So yeah, and thank you very much for giving us
a buzz.

Speaker 23 (01:08:54):
Hi.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Guys, my fourteen year old daughter wants to be a mortician,
and there's need to get more nurses and doctors. Maybe
the government should add real skills into skills for those
types of jobs. Be interesting in putting a mortician course
then a yearly twelve and thirteen.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Hats off to your fourteen year old who knows at
that very early age that she wants to do more Tisian.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Yeah, set up a sort of I don't know, a
mock morg Yeah. They can handle real bodies, bodies through.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
The kids would love it. Oh one hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number of call looking at the subjects
what should be taught at the secondary school level of
those vocational pathways that are going to have a real
shot at offering these kids jobs and your overall thoughts
about the changes to NCA. Love to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
Of course, this one big problem is going to be
employers in the future that have been taught through the
current system won't understand the percentages a school level will
go for a job and put on their CV that
achieved sixty five percent. The person alreadiot won't know what
that means. I'll just unpack that one.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
Yeah, I've got to think about that one. It is
sixteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Matt heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heathen Tyler Adams
Afternoons News TALKSV.

Speaker 6 (01:10:07):
News.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
It'd be very good afternoon till you're having a great
discussion about changes to NCA and subjects that you'd like
to see taught at the secondary school level. There's big
discussion about what subjects to bring in, talk of using
industry experts. What do you say?

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Kelly says, I just feel so sorry for this current
crop of teens. They've had everything stacked against them, COVID,
the rise of social media, and a subpart education system
which there was some way to recompense them.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
Yeah, a lot appearance that we feel in that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Preparations kids that have gone through school in the twenty
twenty nineteen onwards a grand a year maybe, Yeah, Christian,
how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 10 (01:10:47):
Hey good?

Speaker 7 (01:10:47):
How are you mate?

Speaker 5 (01:10:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
Very good. So you're a good person to chat to.
You're a young man twenty six and you've got a
couple of kids, yes.

Speaker 10 (01:10:54):
Yes, two young ones under fives yep.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
And what's your thoughts about subjects that could be taught
at school once they hit secondary.

Speaker 10 (01:11:02):
Well, I think it's the best iderea of personally. So
I went through my whole schooling career working my mud off,
you know, trying to stay on top straight excellences. Everything,
did that up until year twelve and then started year
thirteen and then realized that it just wasn't for me.
And then I wanted to get into the trades, wanted

(01:11:24):
to go work with my father and his business and whatnot.
So I ended up leaving school work, working real hard,
doing my thing, set my family up and whatnot. But
my thing is that I'm a gamer. I play video games,
and my dreams always have been developed them. But there's
never been that type of avenue at school that they've offered.

(01:11:45):
They've never offered any type of it. I mean, they
do a little bit of it stuff at schools, but
nothing in that sort of realm. So I just think
that we had more creative opportunities for children to go into,
it would just be a much better thing, especially young people,

(01:12:07):
because no one knows what they want to do.

Speaker 19 (01:12:09):
When the.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
What when did you work out what you wanted to do? Question?

Speaker 4 (01:12:15):
Last year? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
But I mean you are still you're still so young though,
twenty seven.

Speaker 10 (01:12:23):
And that's the thing. I don't even know it is
what I mean. I know what my passion is making games,
That's what I do, but I've never had an ability
to pursue that as a career. It will never offered
anything like that. Yeah, So it took me to become
a mature adult to realize that I actually can pursue
these things.

Speaker 11 (01:12:43):
On my own.

Speaker 4 (01:12:44):
But it's on my own.

Speaker 10 (01:12:45):
I've had no support or anything from schooling in that regard.
So I just think more more opportunity for kids.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
It's interesting we had that text before that said that
their daughter how old she? I think she was fourteen
and she decided she wanted to be a mortician. It's
you know, you when do you find out what you
want to be in life? The idea that you can
make a decision when you're sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, it's pretty tough,
the idea that you would and you know that you

(01:13:14):
would do that for the rest of your life. Lock
yourself in. I mean, you're such a different person when
you were your age Christian than you were when you
were seventeen.

Speaker 10 (01:13:22):
Oh one hundred percent. I mean I had so many
different desperations back then, but now having children, you know,
my main goal is to build a future, and that's
not something that was really encouraged when I was in
school either. You know, that wasn't something that was talked about.

Speaker 4 (01:13:37):
It was more just a.

Speaker 10 (01:13:38):
Push to get into university. And that was it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Yeah, got the cutest little voice going on in the
background there, Christian.

Speaker 10 (01:13:44):
I thank you. Got my young man here about to
go pick up daughter from the school.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
You're a lucky man.

Speaker 10 (01:13:48):
Did you go in?

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
But that is a great point though, I mean, he
talked about gaming there. But that's what I worry with
the schooling system as we have now, does it really
keep up with the world real world. Back when I
was in high school, I was still teaching Excel and
the world had moved on far from Excel.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
At that point, my son just finished making his first
game for Class US year eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
Love it. It was out there.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
What about typing class? Is this still such a thing
as type I hope not.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
I'm still traumatized by bloody typing class.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
I think at my intermediate there was a room you'd
walk past and everyone's going tic tic tic tic, tic,
tac tic tic.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
Seventy words per minute. Right, it is nine to three
when we come back. More of your calls. O eight,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number to
call the issues that affect you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
And a bit of fun along the way. Matt Heath
and Taylor Adams afternoons news.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
Talk said, be yes, it is seven to three.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
I asked my daughter's head of department for math a
year or so ago to give us abcentage in her
mass so it's easy to see how she is progressing.
Her reply was, I'm not asking my teachers to market.
Twice I tried to explain that that must already have
that and FO available once they have marked it. She
also said that's how it's been for the last twenty years,
meaning they were right and I was wrong. At that stage,
I didn't know for the last twenty years the education
system had deteriorated so much. Every parent should be happy

(01:15:02):
about these changes. This textas says, school is not there
to give every child a career. They are there to
sit them up with the skills and basics to be
able to go into the world and have a broad
base they can draw from. Jenny, welcome to the show.
How are you.

Speaker 4 (01:15:21):
I'm good.

Speaker 6 (01:15:21):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
You've got a daughter going through C one under NCAA.

Speaker 6 (01:15:28):
Now I had a daughter.

Speaker 22 (01:15:30):
They were born in eighty five and eighty six, so
at the last year of my oldest daughter went through
past the six subjects. Great my youngest daughter, who actually
at primary, was in the top two of an Australasian
Mathematician contest or whatever it was. She was the first

(01:15:55):
year of NCAA and didn't pass because they applied to
different practices and they weren't even sure about it.

Speaker 7 (01:16:03):
So for me, having been a.

Speaker 22 (01:16:06):
Parent and experiencing that, I actually believe that it needs
to be scrubbed. N CEO, not six years.

Speaker 17 (01:16:14):
Let's just get rid of it.

Speaker 22 (01:16:17):
I was a training provider and promoted accreditation and moderation
for n CEO, and the problem with n CEA has
been it's never been applied in the way it was
meant to be.

Speaker 17 (01:16:31):
And it's two has got lazy.

Speaker 22 (01:16:34):
They just assessed against a unit standard. They taught a
unit standard. It was never meant to be that way,
and so I think sooner than later get.

Speaker 4 (01:16:45):
Rid of it.

Speaker 17 (01:16:45):
Wrote six years.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Thank you very much, Genny. A lot of people are
saying that as well. Thank you very much for your
phone call. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call, but a couple of texts to
the news so school, this is great news. I'm a
parent and the former system was far superior and to
what we've got now. Unfortunately, the flexibility between schools was

(01:17:09):
problematic and confusion confusing for teachers, and.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
The six is Hey, guys, the real focus should also
be now on primary school curriculum to lift numeracy and
reading skills, to pray pupils for secondary school more adequately. Yeah.
I mean, you know, if you look at that longitudinal
study out of Otago that the sooner you can help kids,
the better chances they have through the rest of their life.
So a lot of resources invested young. It's something that

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we need to look at as well.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
Great chat, though, fantastic chat. Thank it everyone who phoned
and called on that one. Coming up after three o'clock.
The rise of botox has gone from a niche beauty
treatment to a blockbuster phenomenon.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Why what does it even do?

Speaker 4 (01:17:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
Does that hook? He as if you've got a wrinkly forehead?

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
Oh, one hundred eighty DN eighty. If you've recently had botox,
we'd love to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
Why is it just getting more and more popular?

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
News, sport and weather on its way?

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
You're on you home, are Instateful and it's Matty and
Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk SEV.

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
Very good afternoon, Welcome back. It is seven past three.
So botox it has gone from a niche beauty treatment
to a blockbuster phenomenon. Its use is almost doubled from
twenty nineteen to twenty twenty five and is now accessible
to anyone with a few hundred dollars and a dream
of lime free skin.

Speaker 4 (01:18:31):
Yees.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
So it's mainstream and people are saying liking it to
just a manicure, manicure or a haircut. But I don't
get it. I've asked lots of people why they do it.
So paralyzes part of your face, but to what end?
Why is a paralyzed face better than a non paralyzed face.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
It's a good question, and joining us right now to
hopefully answer that is doctor Sarah hartch is a cosmetic
doctor with almost twenty years experience. Doctor Hart, very good afternoon,
she thanks for joining us.

Speaker 23 (01:19:01):
Oh, thanks for having me on. That's a great question
that you're asking there.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
Well, let's start right at the basics, Sarah, what is botox?

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
So?

Speaker 23 (01:19:12):
Botox is a protein that is produced by a bacteria
that lives in our soil called Claustralian botulinum, and a
very clever man discovers how to purify that and use
it in tiny amounts to relax muscles many many years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
So what I don't get about that is does it
get rid of wrinkles or does it just stop making
more wrinkles? Stop you making more wrinkles.

Speaker 23 (01:19:37):
Well, it actually gets rid of wrinkles. And it was
first discovered that it could do this by was an
opthalmologist using it to treat spasms around the eye, and
her patients came back going, oh my god, this stuff
is great. This just made me look really happy. I
don't have brown lines anymore. Can I have a little
bit more of it on the other eye type thing?

Speaker 5 (01:19:56):
Right?

Speaker 23 (01:19:56):
And she thought her husband was a dermatologist and she
thought this is interesting, and so she ended up treating
patients around that area just for wrinkles and did a
great study that compared it with salty water and showed
that the botox made a big difference for the wrinkles
compared to us just injecting salty water. And that is

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when it was born to treat prinkles.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
Wow. And so you say around the eyes, because I've
always thought forehead is where people go, but we're on
the face. You can have the forehead around the eyes
wherever these rings as Yeah, well yes.

Speaker 23 (01:20:30):
So it's interesting. So for many many years, about twenty years,
it's only been approved for useful frown lines, fore headlines
and crow feet, so as you say, upper face, foreheading
and crow feet. But you know, just last week it
actually got a proof for treating the neck as well
in New Zealand, so first new use for cosmetic use
approved in over twenty years.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
You get, do you get because you can get turkey
neck like George Lucas, but do you get wrinkle neck
as well?

Speaker 15 (01:20:55):
Well?

Speaker 23 (01:20:55):
And the neck? It's more it's approved for tretisa and
treating the prominence of those bands on the neck. I
don't know, did you ever watch Coronation Street with Deirdre
She used to have these vertical bands on her neck.

Speaker 18 (01:21:08):
In the botox for can.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
You do as much as you wander? Does it get dangerous?
Because you know it's paralyzing by your face and neck
and eyes, and can you just blast it everywhere and
as often as you want?

Speaker 23 (01:21:21):
Well, the amount that you're giving is ridiculously small. So
one vial of botox hundred units of botox, which is
more than enough to do five people's frowns as actually
a quarter of a billionth of a gram of botox.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
Oh wow, so powerful.

Speaker 23 (01:21:37):
The amounts that we're putting in is ridiculously small, And
the amounts that we put in for cosmetic is a
lot less than amounts that you put in for what
we call functional botox, so botox to stop dare grinding,
for bladders, for neck spasms, for cerebral palsy, all of
those much bigger body muscles have much larger doses of
botox than what we're putting to the small muscles of

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the face. So relatively speaking, the dose that you use
for cosmetic botox is smaller than you use the botox
for all of the other uses it has.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
In this article and then New Zealand Herald, it's saying
that it's become more and more mainstream and people are
liking it to just getting a manicure or a haircut.
Is that your experience? And secondly, are people proud of
getting botox now? Is it losing its I guess stigma?

Speaker 11 (01:22:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:22:26):
Look, I think that there is a trend towards trivialization
of botox that I think is not a good one.
This is a prescription medicine. This is a powerful drug.
If it's used wrongly, it can cause side effects. I
think the thing that would concern me the most is
the providers that are basically dodgy and overseas in Australia

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and in the UK, people have got botulism from providers
that are not registered using unregistered formulations, not botox, but
some kind of counterfeit copy and inadvertently giving someone a
thousand times more than they should and those people ending
up with botulism. So it you know, you do want

(01:23:09):
to be careful about who you go to. You do
want to go to someone that has good training and
that is, you know, a healthcare professional. You don't want
to be going to botops parties. You know, it's something
that you yeah, yeah, And I do think the stigma
has decreased markedly over the years. You know, when I

(01:23:30):
first started doing these treatments twenty plus years ago, people
were super secretive about it, and then gradually with each
successive generation they've become less secretive. And I liken it
to how women used to talk about having their hair
colored and they used to be like for the boomers,

(01:23:50):
they used to wisper, Oh my god, she's like not
a natural blonde, and they'd be mortified if someone knew
they color their hair. But me, as a gen X,
I really don't care if someone knows I color my hair,
and just it's become normalized and no longer something that
is scandalous or stigmatized. And so depending on generation you're treating,
my older generation, definitely it's definitely something private, much less

(01:24:15):
so with my younger generation patients.

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
As a doctor, let's talk about the younger generation. Do
you see genuinely that to me, it just feels a
bit weird that people in their twenties will come in
to get this botox injection to get rid of lines
that arguably at that age they yet to encounter. Is
that what you're seeing that the younger generation are coming
into these sort of treatments.

Speaker 23 (01:24:36):
Well, not to me, I personally have my patient peakers
fifty four. Fifty to fifty four is the top of
my bell curve for patients, which matches my age. But look,
I do have had patients in the early twenties come in.
I had one lovely lady come in who said, I
want bowtops and I said, why you've got no lines?

(01:24:58):
And she said, well, all my friends are doing. I
think that I should, and it was really important that
I educated her that there is no need to do
botox when you do not have a line, you know,
starting early in your early twenties in my opinion too early.
I do have the occasional patient in the mid twenties
who has a very strong familial line, who already has

(01:25:20):
a line at rest. I think that's reasonable to treat,
but usually they don't need anything but the smallest dose.
But people thinking that it's essential to start early and
it's somehow magically going to stop their face aging that
needs to be put to rest, because you know it
can triase a line when the line has come. You

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don't need to start before the line comes. And I
just think it's a waste of money for the younger generation.
They really don't need to be doing large doses of
botox in their early twenties.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
What about men? The men getting botox. I'm looking at
Tita's face and it looks like a leather handbag that's
been left out in the rain. Could I get I've
had a hard line. I get a voucher for a
thirty eight year old Tyler to get his face done,
so I don't have to look at this wrinkly mess
over there.

Speaker 23 (01:26:05):
Well, here's a much more appropriate age, so that would
be But in terms of men, so it's really interesting.
I asked some of my questions.

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
Just quickly go and help you us here. It's going
to be a tough ass, but carry on.

Speaker 4 (01:26:17):
I've got a lot of.

Speaker 23 (01:26:18):
Botox, So I've got three percent male patients. I've got
colleagues who have five percent. My male colleagues tend to
have about twenty percent. But a lot of them also
also injectibles like PRP for hair loss, so they're doing
hair loss as well. So look, it's still botox is
still absolutely a minority for males. It's still way more

(01:26:38):
popular for women. Males are generally much more interested in
hair loss and jawline, which botox has much less of
an activity in that area. For women, we still want
that smooth, feminine looking skin, you know, smooth skin as
seen as feminine. Men can have deep crows feet, you know,
remember Sean Connery, You know that crinkle around the eye.

(01:27:00):
So from a skin smoothness point of view, it's generally
perceived as less important for men to have smooth skin.

Speaker 6 (01:27:10):
But I do.

Speaker 23 (01:27:11):
I definitely have male patients who really appreciate not having
Gordon Ramsey lines in their forehead, you know, so there's
definitely a place for it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
No exactly what you mean by Gordon Ramsey life. We're
talking to doctor Sarah Hart. Now, what's the difference between
filler and botox? Because you know the lips, the Kimcardessian
lips and that kind of thing. Is that different from botox?

Speaker 7 (01:27:37):
You know what?

Speaker 23 (01:27:37):
Completely different? The only similarity between them is that you
use them to approve appearance and that you inject them.
So phill is a gel that you physically inject into
the tissue to change the contour. So it's a carbohydrate,
whereas botox is a protein and most fillers are made
from hyleronic acid. And so the fillers more about changing contour.

(01:28:00):
I mean, you can use a very dilute version of
a filler to improve skin hydration and fine lines, and
then they're called a skin booster. But phil are generally
to projected cheek make a look bigger projected chin, So
it's about contour rather than wrinkles.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
Are they better and worse botox? People? Because my mate
won't let his wife, well, he won't pick his wife
up from the botox anymore because he says, she looks
like she's been stung by bees?

Speaker 6 (01:28:26):
So are they?

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Are there people that are better and worse at doing it?

Speaker 23 (01:28:30):
Yeah? Look, so I would say there's different styles of
doing it, so that it's possible to do botops and
fill it in a style it's incredibly natural, and generally
you'd be using smaller doses and you're stopping before you
change the contour too much, so you can usefully to
support lost volume under the skin rather than create too
much change. But then there's also a trend more the

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Instagram can Kardashian trend of changing the face or glamorizing
the face, and some providers prefer that approach. So it's
really important to pick a provider that has a similar
aesthetic to you and their goal of treatment is in
line with what you're wanting.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
Yeah, because you can get stung by bees for free,
you don't need to pay for that one if that's
what you're into.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
Yeah, Sarah, Yeah, Sarah, thank you very much for your expertise.
Really appreciate it and we'll catch up soon.

Speaker 23 (01:29:26):
Yep, my pleasure.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
I love you to chat, all right, that is doctor
Sarah Hart, cosmetic doctor. But Love to Hear from you.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Do you get botox
on a regular basis? What value do you get out
of it? Male? Female, younger, maybe a little bit older.
Really keen to have a chat with you. Oh eight
hundred eighty teen eighty is the number to call. It
is eighteen past three on us dog Zibby Afternoon. It

(01:29:48):
is twenty one past three, and we're talking about the
rise of the use of botox. It has doubled in
terms of use from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty five.
There's medical spars, botox bars popping up all over the show.
Love to Hear from You on O one hundred eighty
teen eighty If you use it, how disgusting.

Speaker 5 (01:30:03):
Of you met?

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
A woman can look like she wants to look. It's
not for a husband to say she looks like she's
been stung by bees. Disgusting.

Speaker 3 (01:30:12):
Well, it's honesty.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
Well yeah, I mean he came from a place. This is,
you know, to clarify my my friend who said that
his wife looked like she'd been stung by bees and
he didn't want to pick her up from the botox
clinic anymore. Yeah, his angle was that she and I
don't know if it's botox now, maybe it was fuller
because does botox make you look like you're stung by bees?
Anyway can do it doesn't matter. He came from the

(01:30:34):
place where you look beautiful to me, just the way
you are, and he didn't like he felt didn't come
from a bad place. He felt like he didn't recognize her,
and it looked like she'd had an injury.

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
I prefer you without the stuff that they're in jeeped
in into your face to make it look like you've
been stung.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
So I don't know what kind of botox senter she
was going to, but you know maybe o Waite hundred
eighty ten eighty I have you come out looking like
you've been stung by bees when you've had botox? Is
that something that can it go wrong like that?

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
Yeah? Eighty years the number of call I forgot to
ask the good doctor. You're looking at some of these
things coming through, which are amazing. What I forgot to
ask a good doctor is how much the cost? I
think it's around what a couple of hundred bucks to
go in and get botox once once a couple of months.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
There's some great text Bridget, SOEs, you only have to
look at the three Osborne women at Ozzie's funeral to
see fillers and botox gone wrong, jeers Bridget.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
Yeah, very true. I mean sometimes that looks a bit
more than botox. But oh this is good, hey, guys,
good interaction with the doctor about botox. Botox is a
brand name for a substance to rise from botulism toxin
and neurotoxic protein produced by the bacterium Clostridium bolnium, and
can cause botulism if used inappropriately. Contrary to what the

(01:31:52):
doctor said, botox does not cause botulism.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
So I one hundred and eighty ten eighty do you
use botox? Says this is the story, and the Heroes
suggests is this true? That botox is just so mainstream
now it's like a manicure haircut and no one feels
shame about doing it anymore. And the same way someone
wouldn't go, I wouldn't try and hide the fact that
they've gone to the barber to get their haircut. Yeah,

(01:32:17):
this article saying that people feel like that about botox now,
So one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Do you get botox?
And are you proud?

Speaker 4 (01:32:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
And I'd love to hear from a man that gets botox. Absolutely,
because Kate was saying that only three percent of your
clients are males.

Speaker 3 (01:32:33):
I wouldn't be against having a cracket at botox. Would
you ever give it a whirl? Just a wee injection?
Maybe under those eyes of yours.

Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
I'm a male beehive worker. Do you think I would
benefit from botox aggestion jections?

Speaker 18 (01:32:47):
Maybe?

Speaker 6 (01:32:47):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:32:48):
O eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call if you use botox on a regular basis?
Why what value do you get for it? And lit
fillers as well, which is also rising in popularity.

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
Yeah, what has been the benefit? And have you been
stung by bees?

Speaker 4 (01:33:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
Love to hear from you. It is twenty four plus three.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on youth talks.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
I'd be very good afternoon to you. We are talking
about the increasing use of botox. Many many people get
it done on a regular basis. Of that'syear oh eight
one hundred eighty ten eighty. So many texts coming through.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
I am twenty three getting botox to stop getting wrinkles
in the first place. I also try not to smile
too much. As a woman, I feel that wrinkles would
limit my employment opportunities. Wow, at twenty three, I find
that terrifying that someone that's twenty three years old wouldn't
would worry about wrinkles. That is a problem that person.

(01:33:47):
I bet you don't. If you're still listening, twenty three
year old, I bet you don't have wrinkles, and I
don't think you need to worry about them at twenty three, and.

Speaker 3 (01:33:54):
To the point of not smiling in your day to
day life.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
For me, just smile, Just smile.

Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
There's a good text to you. Sharon Osborne has had
so much surgery on her face. My frown was like
a coin slot and I always looked angry sorted it out.
I would never have it on a regular basis, But
now the taboo is listened. It certainly helped me and
I feel so much better now that those frown lines

(01:34:19):
are gone.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
I've been having botox for years. My husband does not know,
none of my friends know. Nobody would guess that I
have had any botox done. I just look very fresh
and relaxed. But I mean I wonder about that as well.
So you look at people that have had a lot
of plastic surgery, do they look in the mirror and
think I look younger? Or you know, do they not

(01:34:42):
see because there's a lot of people that you see
that have had plastic surgery or have been heavily botoxed,
and I see them and I go, you have had
plastic surgery and heavily botox. Do they look in the
mirror and see that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
It's a good question. I imagine they don't. Once you
start down that journey and start doing more and more,
perhaps it is harder for them to realize that everyone
can see you've had a bit of work.

Speaker 2 (01:35:03):
Hey guys, google the Catwoman Jocelyn Woldenstein and you will
be put off botox full for your partner. Yeah, I
mean the Catwoman has gone a long way. Caroline, Welcome
to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
Hi Yah, how are you very good?

Speaker 4 (01:35:17):
Now?

Speaker 20 (01:35:17):
I'm enjoying yourself. I'm sixty and I just think rimples
are beautiful, like gray hair and wrinkle, and I just
think nature looks after us. So just relax and be
who you are a dignity. That's but I I was
going to tell you a story about when I lived
in London years ago. There was an article in a

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magazine about the children of Russian oligarchs because their mothers
were having so much boatox that the children were full
of anxiety because the mothers looked exactly the same, whether
they were happy, sad, angry, furious, distressed, And the children

(01:36:00):
sort of said that their mothers look constantly surprised, but
they couldn't tell if they were happy or sad or angry.

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
Wow, they always look they always look quite a good article.
They always look surprised.

Speaker 17 (01:36:12):
Yeah, they're always.

Speaker 20 (01:36:13):
Looking surprised because they've got so much photos around their
eyes and their faces.

Speaker 2 (01:36:18):
Yeah, that's that's weird, because we are so good as
humans to read every sort of nuance on someone's face,
going into each other's faces, and apparently there's a thing
where we imitate the face of the person we're talking to,
and that's just the way. That's the way we subconsciously communicate.
So if you've got someone whose faces paralyzed then by botox,
then you can have a really interesting interaction with them.

Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
So that's what I want.

Speaker 20 (01:36:42):
The kid's doing when they go to school, they'll be
walking around looking surprise.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
So as soon as they scream when they see a wrinkle.
What do you think of this? This person that texted
before said that she's twenty three getting botox to stop
getting wrinkles and trying not to smile. That makes me
feel sad.

Speaker 20 (01:36:57):
That's really sad. Well, it's just the modern sort of
Hollywood world, isn't it. And then of course you can
get photographs of models and soup stars. I mean they're
all done on computers and all, you know, whe all them.

Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
That might be an interesting point, Caroline. So this person
who thinks they got wrinkles when they're twenty three, surely
you don't have wrinkles when you're twenty three. Is that
because she'd be comparing herself to.

Speaker 20 (01:37:20):
Lie laughing lines, not happy happy laughing lines. I mean
that was a lovely thing about pictures. If you go
and look at the photographs, early photographs of one hundred
and fifty years ago, their faces look so different to
ours because they they probably never looked in the mirror
for one and two, they just live lived the life
and happy said you know, old fishermen or.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
Or you know, it'd be interesting. Like, you know, evolutionarily,
humans for the longest time didn't have mirrors, so you know,
maybe once a week you'd catchure reflectioning yourself in a
muddy puddle which you're walking around. Otherwise you have no
idea what you look like.

Speaker 3 (01:37:58):
Ignorance.

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
That's probably a good way to live.

Speaker 20 (01:38:01):
Yeah, there was a thing years ago on David Attenborough
documentary and he was saying, it was a question here,
what is the funny black shiny stone? And they were
trying to work it out, and eventually they worked out
it was around the times of the Egyptians. It was
actually a mirror, right, It was a sort of you
could sort of almost see your reflection in it. The
black stone really shiny.

Speaker 3 (01:38:20):
Yeah, fascinating, Carolyn, Thank you very much. And what a
great attitude that wrinkles are beautiful. Oh one hundred and
eighty ten eighty has the number to call, love to
hear your thoughts about the use of botox. Is it
becoming a regular thing in your social circle?

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
I I wonder what life will be like if you
just decided to never look in the mirror. Be good
for you, the headlines, it wouldn't be good for other people.
Because I wouldn't notice the nose he is.

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It is twenty eight to four.

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Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
Now back to Matton Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:40:02):
Thank you very much, Wendy, And we are talking about botox.
The use of botox is doubled between twenty nine teen
and twenty twenty five. So if that's you, if you
regularly have botox injections, love to hear from you on oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty And what do you.

Speaker 2 (01:40:14):
Think about young people getting botox? We've got that twenty
three year old texting and saying that she's getting botox
to stop the wrinkles. Here's another text. All very well
for you to laugh, Matt, but no one cares what
you look like as a man. You can walk around
looking like crap. No one cares. We females get judged
every second of our lives. Your besting comments are highly offensive.
What makes you think it's okay for you to notice

(01:40:36):
worry about yourself? You are no oil painting yourself maybe
you need botox, not us.

Speaker 3 (01:40:42):
Woman, what a great text.

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
I mean, if this guy, I mean, if someone looks
like they've been it's not your fault. If you see
someone that looks like they've been stung by bees, I mean,
if you start yelling, you look like you've been staying
by bees at someone. But we can't help what our
first thought is. Yeah, So if you've had a lot
of plastic surgery and you're walking around and people are
thinking you've had a lot of plastic surgery, then is

(01:41:05):
that their fault? I mean, the thoughts just come in
to the head. They've reckoned something, right, Yeah, exactly. But
I do agree that women do get judged on their
appearance a lot more than men. Yeah, and and and
that's that's that's the life that will make things difficult. Yeah,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 3 (01:41:22):
HUGO.

Speaker 4 (01:41:22):
How are you, hey, Tyler? How are you doing?

Speaker 19 (01:41:26):
Good?

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
Mate?

Speaker 4 (01:41:27):
We've got.

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
There you go, mate, bloody.

Speaker 4 (01:41:30):
Good Colin, Colin, how are your boys? Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:41:34):
Hold you get a good boy.

Speaker 18 (01:41:38):
Yeah, it's.

Speaker 4 (01:41:40):
It's it's a bit weird bringing up about this. This
is I'm gonna I've got to share this with you
and you and is listening because I I'm a male
and I've had botox, right, Okay, I never thought I
would see the day of that.

Speaker 7 (01:41:55):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:41:57):
But yeah, it wasn't used for what you're probably thinking
it was used for. Okay, I ended up I've had.

Speaker 21 (01:42:06):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:42:08):
I' going quite a physical sort of a job, not
heavy lifting, have done for thirty years, and I end
up with hemorrhoids. And one day I had a I
had some Korean chicken, green fried chicken, and then I
ordered the extra extra hot and spicy.

Speaker 6 (01:42:28):
I ended up I ended up.

Speaker 4 (01:42:30):
With a what they called an anal fisher and it
was very serious, like it was so serious. I rang
in because there was so much blood. I freak out.
It was a we laughed. Later my my my wife
calls me, she calls me jelly, jelly, bumb and bubble button.

Speaker 6 (01:42:55):
All sorts now, because that was that was how they
fexed it.

Speaker 4 (01:42:59):
It wouldn't heal they were hoping with because it was
such a such a decent tea.

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
So they can't they botox you down there.

Speaker 4 (01:43:09):
Botox my bum so that it relaxed so that they
could hear wow, because yeah, yeah, so there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:43:17):
Man, I've had botox, and and did you Was it
just one one one and doone and it was sorted out?
Or is did you have to have repeat treatments?

Speaker 17 (01:43:28):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:43:28):
I had two, two shots. Yeah, it was about eight weeks.
Eight weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
He didn't say at the time, once you're done down there,
could you do my crow's feet?

Speaker 4 (01:43:40):
Honestly that it was yeah, yeah, yeah, were laughing about
it now and let it go.

Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
I imagine it was a laughing matter at the time.
If you were in the position that where you're happy
to reach out for medical help. Imagine it was not
a great time for you, as funny.

Speaker 24 (01:43:55):
As it is now, especially when I'm looking on the
I'm on Google and she's on Google and all were
reading it seems like it's cancer, dow cancer, No, no, no, no, yeah,
freaking out like yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:44:10):
To the blood. I rang an ambo and yeah, and
so did the.

Speaker 3 (01:44:16):
I mean, I take it. You know, getting a bit
of botox was a lot less painful than than what
was going on with you. But was there a bit
of discomfort by by that procedure?

Speaker 4 (01:44:27):
Well, now, sounding rude, it was a huge relief straight away,
just instant relief. Yeah, the needle crack was nothing. It
was nothing. It was just like, thank you very much
to a lot of embarrassment at the time, because you know,
I'm busy lying on my side. I'm pretty pretty much
everybody at Cross huge hospital felt like my bum.

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
Yeah, but you go it is it? How are you now?
As if you are you cured, if you you're find now.

Speaker 4 (01:44:58):
And I'm happy days now, and hemorrhoids are all all
pretty much gone and all happy days there.

Speaker 3 (01:45:08):
And you've stayed away from the Korean spicy chicken.

Speaker 4 (01:45:11):
I've never eard. And it's just it's sad, man, because
I love my spicy food, you know, I love it.
And I'll even get those real hot noodles, you know,
the yeah, the red and black ones and rammonds, and
I'll put more chili in it just to make it hotter,
like I love it that much. And I stay well
away from it. Now, becau leave my lisson?

Speaker 2 (01:45:30):
Yeah yeah enough to absolutely, Yeah, Well thank you so
much for sharing, yeah your story, hugo, because that's the thing.
I mean, you know, everyone's going botox for cosmetic surgery.
You go needed it for a very different reason and
thank god it existed. A sound like he was having
a terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:45:44):
Time, absolutely bubble, but there one hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. Coming up, we'll speak to
a woman who's had a bit of plastic surgery. Gone
a bit further than the old botox. But love to
hear from you if you do it on a regular basis.
I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call eighteen to four.

Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
Look, there's a lot lot more sort of medical applications
for botox coming through on the on the text machine.
But yeah, I waite hundred eighty ten eighty your home of.

Speaker 1 (01:46:09):
Afternoon talk mad even Taylor Adams afternoons call Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty us talk, said.

Speaker 3 (01:46:16):
Say quarter to four.

Speaker 2 (01:46:17):
Our eleven year old was born with a collapsed windpipe.
He gets botox every six months to keep it open.
We've had some friends who have asked if there is
any left over to flick it their way. Troy, Well,
this has a lot of a lot of medical applications botox,
isn't it. It's not just a what do you call it?
Cosmetic surgery? Christine, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:46:40):
Hi guys, how are you very good?

Speaker 2 (01:46:42):
Thank you for calling. That's Okay, what's your what's your
thoughts on this?

Speaker 11 (01:46:48):
Oh?

Speaker 25 (01:46:49):
Look, I've been doing anti wrinkle or botox or disport,
whatever you'd like to call it since i was thirty
six and I'm now fifty two. So I mean, I
think it's it's a situation where potentially less is better.

Speaker 11 (01:47:07):
And to not over do it.

Speaker 25 (01:47:08):
And still I guess embrace you know what your face
is looking like. But yeah, it definitely relaxes the muscles,
reduces the fine lines. And then, you know, I do
get comments from people, not necessarily that you look younger,
but how good you look for your age?

Speaker 2 (01:47:27):
Yeah, and you put that down to the botox. You
might just you might just be looking for your age, Christine.

Speaker 25 (01:47:34):
Yeah, no, Look, it's funny you say that because I
did think that, you know, imagine if I hadn't. But
I guess I can only compare to a sibling, and
potentially she's only eighteen months older, and the difference in yeah, like.

Speaker 17 (01:47:47):
How we look.

Speaker 3 (01:47:50):
So when you say when you say less is more, Christine,
how often would you go for a wee are we
botox treatment?

Speaker 11 (01:47:57):
I I don't.

Speaker 25 (01:47:59):
I try not to go any more than twice a year,
and I don't do too many spots I do between
the eye girls, the brown brown lines in there, the
crows feed, and that's been it. That that's all I've
actually done. So I'm actually now, you know, consulting more

(01:48:22):
and looking more at doing fillers because I've never done
the fillers before and that will just plump up a
couple of areas that you would like to see, you know,
within reason. Again too, I'm quite you know, I've been
to a few different nurses and I judge how they
look by what I'm probably my expectations what that nurse

(01:48:45):
would be as to how I want to look, because
if they're too if they're too overdone, then yeah, yeah,
I think, God, I'm not going to relate to this
lady because you know, it's not how I want to look.
So yeah, it's quite a it's a very personal thing,
I think too, and there's a lot of other purposes
for it, like excessive sweating and armpits.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
And yeah, yeah, well, it says Christine that people are
liking it to getting a manicure or a haircut, and
that there's no shame. I mean, obviously you're not ashamed
of it, because because you're calling with us about it.
So do you think did you see it being becoming

(01:49:24):
less stigmatized? You know, you've been doing since you're thirty six,
you know, fifty two, you've seen the stigmatism of it.
Is that the right word? Change? Look, I think stigma
of it, not stigmatism.

Speaker 4 (01:49:34):
Sorry, yeah, no, Look, I think.

Speaker 25 (01:49:37):
Too certain industries that I've worked in, so you know,
strong customer service roles, so you do want to look,
you know, at your very best, and then saying that,
you know, I'm also a trade person, so you know
I'm not. It just makes me feel better about myself.
And I've never really had any negative feedback about it,

(01:49:58):
and I've posted little funny things on Facebook, you know,
so I've just had monjectables and I had a friend
that we'd go you know together and come out for
dinner after it and things like that. So I again, yeah,
I think you can experience nurses who might want to
add a little on to the amount of units that

(01:50:20):
they are suggesting. But when you've been doing it for
you know, this long, you know how it should feel
and you know how it should look. So I guess
I'm quite Yeah, Yeah, it's I'm all for it. I
think if anyone wants to, within reason, you know, enhance

(01:50:42):
their looks. I guess, try and restore, you know, restore
your your your your looks. I don't know, I'm all
for it.

Speaker 3 (01:50:49):
How much do you spend on it per treatment, Christine?

Speaker 25 (01:50:52):
Oh, look, it can vary greatly, and I mean I've
done a number of years of it in Melbourne in Australia. Obviously,
units of the sport over there could range from about
seven dollars or even lease. I think I think it
was around three or four dollars a unit, whereas over
here you're paying sort of double that. But oh say

(01:51:17):
four hundred twice a year.

Speaker 3 (01:51:20):
Yeah, so eight hundred bucks a year. I mean the
reason I asked that is I'm thinking about all the
special potions and anti wrinkled cream and everything else that
gets sold on the counter.

Speaker 21 (01:51:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:51:30):
I mean that's a lot of money you spend on
that stuff.

Speaker 11 (01:51:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:51:33):
Yeah, look, that's the thing. I mean, obviously you can
spend a lot more. But because I've always sort of,
you know, leaned towards the lesson's better outlook, you know, like,
I don't think that's excessive, and I'm not you know,
I'm not one to go and get my nails done
in my hair done either. Like, I'm all about the
adjective of treatments, but and hey, they have to pay,

(01:51:53):
so you know you can. You can treat yourself and
just have that. And like you say, a lot of
these lotions and potions are you know, they're not as
effective or even effective. So that's yeah, chee chareful moisturizer,
all about the injectable.

Speaker 2 (01:52:09):
Yeah, hey, thank you so much, Christine. You've been fantastic
to talk to and for those insights. So I feel
like I'm I feel like I'm getting my head around botox.

Speaker 3 (01:52:16):
He's a bit closer.

Speaker 25 (01:52:17):
Yeah, try just go give it a try.

Speaker 2 (01:52:20):
You can only try it, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:52:22):
Yeah, Yeah, good advices, Christine, and get your sold.

Speaker 4 (01:52:25):
On that one.

Speaker 2 (01:52:26):
There's a wrinkly part of my body I might get done.

Speaker 4 (01:52:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:52:31):
So it's interesting. I think we've got to the bottom
of this.

Speaker 3 (01:52:33):
I think we have just one more. This is a
good text here and similar to Christine, I get botox regularly.
On forty nine. The things people are saying about our
faces is looking frozen? Is in factual? Is in fact true?
I still have a range of expressions most of the time,
though any tox injector knows that less is more. My
face in comparison to every other woman of my age range,
I know, looks naturally smooth and like I've aged well. Also,

(01:52:56):
if you don't protect your skin from the sun, no
amounts of botox will help.

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
Yeah. Well, oh well, wow, what an interesting world we
live in.

Speaker 3 (01:53:05):
M I wish I could read out. I mean, I
thought was a joke at first, but a lot of
people have tex in and about a peer an area
of the male body that can get a bit of
botox to smooth it all out, and apparently it's a
real fun Yeah. Yeah, oh well there you go, all right,
but a botox for everybody?

Speaker 2 (01:53:22):
Yeah, I'll see. I'm like, because I think we'd like
to live in a world where people could just age
gracefully and be happy with that, right Yeah, But I
guess we can also live in a world where some
people can do that and some people feel better if
they botox use botox, and then those two things can
exist at the same time, right yea. If you're lucky
enough to just be able to age gracefully and not
worry about it, then you do you yep. If on

(01:53:46):
the other hand, you feel like you want to botox
your face, then.

Speaker 3 (01:53:50):
You do, you as well beautifully see a nice place
to leave it. It is eight to four.

Speaker 1 (01:53:54):
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Speaker 3 (01:55:10):
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Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
Thanks for asking what I was listening to, and thanks
so much to everyone for listening to the show. And look,
thanks for all your calls and texts he had so
many today. The full show podcast will be up in
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