Full Show Podcast: 04 December 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you, great New Zealander, and welcome to Matt and
Tyler Full Show Podcast number two fifty seven for Thursday,
the fourth of December twenty twenty five. Great show today,
flat pack f What was the subject. The main job
here is to welcome pete people to the podcasts and
mention the one we didn't get to. So we didn't
get to so we had a great chat about flat packs.

(00:37):
Some great chat there about the flat pack backlash and
the flat pack Bandwagon yep, nicely said the if pb
L and the fpb W. That was fantastic and really
good chats about the whole bloody yeah, bloody what's it was?
Social media band It was for the old kids. It
was incredible, it was It was great chat.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
And the one we left out ah lazy old generation
z ah yah they're not happy.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, they're not happy with their job. So we might
get to that one tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
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and family and your mum and give them to que
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Speaker 1 (01:13):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Talk said, be well, get at of you, welcome into
Thursday show. Really great to have your company as always.
Hope you're doing pretty well. Weave you're listening in this
beautiful country of ours. Matt Heath, Hello, hello, Tyler?

Speaker 2 (01:35):
How are you?

Speaker 3 (01:35):
I'm pretty good mate, I'm pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Hello everyone? Thanks you tuning in now, you know, and
you know what, You've got to be careful at this
time of year, Tyler, you do? And everyone putting it
in neutral and just cruising downhill into Christmas. There's still
it's only the fourth of December. There's still weeks of
productivity yep. And you know, kicking goals going at one hundred.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Percent, yep, going hard.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Don't just I don't want to hear you Tyler, shoving
a neutral and just coasting downhill to Christmas.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Kay, what about first gear? I'll try. I'll try to
rack it up to third gear. Usually I do. Usually
I do. I start strong and then it slowly just
goes down the gear as we I want you pitdle to.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
The middle and first at fifth right in those rivs, right,
down right down State Highway one to Fantastic Radio.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
I can definitely do that. Hey, just before we get
into today's show. You know, a couple of days ago,
we were talking about stupid stuff that council spends money on. Yeah,
and some people dick through when they were talking about libraries.
You know, why are we spending so much money on libraries?
Because nobody ever goes. And the other night I decided
to go into the library to have a we look
see because I wanted to get out of particular book.

(02:44):
And I'll tell you what surprised me. Do you still
have a DVD play?

Speaker 2 (02:47):
No?

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Well you should, because if you go into your library,
it's gonna make me sound like a granddad. I don't
care their DVD selection. Out of this World. I rented Weapons,
great movie. I've seen it before, but rented that. I
don't actually have a DVD player. I've got my Xbox
three sixty that plays the DVD.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah, no, no, I probably can't play play on my PlayStation five.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah, got it for free? Got it for free. That's
a recent movie. There's a whole bunch of new releases.
It felt like going back into video easy. I just
had that lovely nostalgic moment. They've got the wee racks there,
they've got the new releases, the thriller, the mystery.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
There used to be something quite good about that, you know,
when you decided to have a movie and you wander
down there with the kids to the DVD store. My
kids were tiny at this point, and you just pick
the movie out for the night, pick up some takeaways,
pick the movie and go home and sort. You know,
that's good. There is a bit of a paralysis because

(03:45):
of the amount of options we have now. Just sit
down in front of your TV. You have access to
absolutely everything in the entire world, and as a result,
you just end up endlessly scrolling trying to make a decision. Right, Yeah,
I agree. I mean going to the video store and
make your decision, bring it home, and you watch what
you brought home.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Dad said, you can have one new release or two
old ones. You've got ten bucks to spend. New releases
were eight dollars for a couple of nights.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
You adn't going behind that curtain.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
Were here?

Speaker 3 (04:12):
I snuck in a couple of times? Yeah who didn't?

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Everybody did?

Speaker 3 (04:16):
But anyway, go check out the library. So it was
a pretty good time too. Today.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
This is hurtful, this text, Maddie. It's clear you've been
in neutral since October.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah, I'm glad you said it, mate. We all know,
we all know that's fair. Right to today's show, it's
a doozy for you after three o'clock. Ikea is opening
today and everyone seems to be like overly excited about
the Ikea opening. They've got at and traffic plans underway.
They're freaking out at schools because kids can't get to

(04:46):
the classroom today. But we kind of want to not
talk about Ikea specifically because we freak out about a
new opening in this country for some reason. What we
want to focus on is flat pack furniture.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
I'm starting the flat pack back lash. I have made
a commitment in my family to never buy a flat
pack again. Never buy a flat pack again. I don't
care if they're the high colony flat packs or the terrible,
low quality flat packs that if you mistake, make a mistake,
you're putting it back together. You know it can't take it.
It can't take a screw more than once without the
whole board falling to peace.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
We've all been there, that horrible horrible.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Insult to wood that flat placks are made out of
fully made furniture by furniture making professionals that come made
and put together by people whose job it is. There
is a cabinet, a chest of drawers at my house
that belonged to me as a kid, and it belonged

(05:45):
to a relation as a kid. So that has been
going for a very very long time. No signs of
slowing down.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Generational furniture.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Generational furniture, and there's plenty of stuff. You know, people say,
well I can't afford something to be bespoke made, or
go to one of these fancy places and buy something
to put together. Look at all the furniture that's in
secondhand stores having to turn it away.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
It's some good stuff there.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
You go in there, you buy yourself. It's just say,
for example, you want a chest of draws, you buy it,
put a lick a paint on it. So much better
than any flat pack crap you can get. So this
is the flat pack back lash that I want to
start today. After three that is.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Going to be good. After two o'clock, there's a new
report out from Seek the Job website, So it shows
when it comes to happiness at work. Generation Z, we're
the most dissatisfied. Forty percent of that group said they
dreaded to go to work, and we're more likely to
feel burnt out and exhausted. They also said that purpose
is the main part of their happiness driver when it
comes to work, and job security was important for them,

(06:43):
But they also said they expected to have a level
of happiness when they went to go and do their job.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Wow, I mean, do you have to be Does your
job have to make you happy? I mean some jobs
you go and then that pays for the stuff that
you do outside of work. You can't. I mean, very
few people have a job that they go to and
it makes them happy that the job inherently makes them happy.
And also I would say that's the age when you
do the crap jobs. I mean I hated my jobs

(07:12):
when I was that age because they were terrible retail jobs. Yeah,
just standing behind accounter or stickering CDs or whatever I
was doing for many many years working in a warehouse.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
That's when you do the hard graph. Yeah, that's the
hard yaker time of your life because you.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Start at the bottom and you work your way up
across life. So It's kind of makes sense that those
are the jobs that people hate the most at that
point in your life because you've got no agency, because
you're at the bottom, because you've just got it and
you've just started.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Right, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
But yeah, the wide question is should you expect your
job to make you happy or is a job something
you do to survive and your happiness something that you
find outside of work.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah, that is after two o'clock, that's going to be
a great chair. But right now, let's have a discussion
about the under sixteen social media band. So, after a
year of planning and a lot of scrutiny from other
countries who are looking at doing something similar like us,
the social media band is finally a reality rather for
more than twenty million Australian residents. So the law officially
kicks in on December ten, but Meta, who owns Facebook

(08:12):
and Instagram among others, has already started removing accounts from today.
So the law applies to currently Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, snapchat, x, YouTube, Reddit, Twitch,
kick and threads. And as I mentioned before, it's no
secret that our Prime Minister Christopher Luxan is deeply supportive
of restricting social media use and says they'll introduce a

(08:33):
bill before next year's election to.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Make Yeah, everyone's looking at Australia to see if their
system works. So should New Zealand be looking to do
a similar under sixteen social media ban? But or are
you worried that this banning will just send the kids
off to weird parts of the internet. Kids are very
smart and veryally, very very savvy when it comes to

(08:56):
the digital world. So is this just going to mean
that kids find other ways to be other platforms to
be on that aren't regulated and aren't out in the sun.
And also that you know, all the kids that are
naughty and don't do what the law says and don't
do what the parents say, we'll all congregate together without
any responsible kids telling them not to behave like that online. Yeah,

(09:17):
potential risk, you know, as you're just creating a kid's
wild wild West out there on the internet. I mean,
I think personally that it would be ideal if kids
weren't online until the six went on social media until
they're sixteen. There's a lot that people can get from
YouTube in terms. You know, when I was a kid,

(09:39):
I often think about this. I was heavily into playing
my guitar. Yep, but it was very hard to find
out how to play the particular songs, you know, it
was really really hard. But now I see kids that
just go online and they watch YouTube and they find
out how to play it.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Right, which is brilliant. Yeah, I do it as well.
Those there's so many videos to teach you how to
play particular track. It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
And so there's a huge amount of social media that
is wholesome like that and that people don't even talk about, right. Yeah,
under these circumstances, you could still use YouTube in that regard, yes,
because you could just go on to it without having
an account and just search up you know, how do
I play this song?

Speaker 5 (10:18):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Very true.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
But yeah, I mean I think there are some positives
for for kids being online as well as as well
as the massive negatives.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yeah. Oh, one hundred and eighty. Ten and eighty is
the number to call love to hear what you think
about this if you're a parent. Nine two ninety two.
Because I do agree that social media and the evidence
I think is as incredibly damaging if you use it
too much or for the wrong reasons. But how much
can you protect kids from and I know this is
a cliche, the parental responsibility, but does that the only

(10:48):
way forward is as a parent, you need to manage
what your kids are looking at social media. The whole
idea of a ban is kind of a blunt instrument
where kids, as you say, are probably going to get
around any sort of social media band. They're probably not
on Facebook anyway because it's so uncool for teenagers, but Instagram,
techtok they love Techtok. Tektok's massive I mentioned before, and

(11:09):
I'd never heard of them before. You'll lemonate and read
six are the new ones coming to the four? Yeah,
so they'll just converge to other platforms that say, hey,
we're not under the bed, come on here.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah. Well, as a parent as well, do you is
it up to the government. I mean, the government's never
going to be able to solve all your problems as
a parent, right you have to Your job as a
parent is to make kids that are competent to deal
with the world that they're going out into.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
Right.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, So the world that they're going out into is
very online. It's only going to get more online going forward.
So there could be an argument that the sooner you
teach them how to succeed online without damaging themselves and
now without getting in trouble. The better. Yeah, and so
are we just going to create a whole lot of
naive sixteen year olds that just jump online with a

(11:55):
thirst for dodgy online behavior. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Great question. Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is that
number to call?

Speaker 5 (12:01):
Like?

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Of course, there's the privacy issue and the anonymity because
you're going to have to prove to you are going
to have to prove what age you are if you're
over sixteen to get onto your social media accounts that
you're on.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Now, yep, there's a lot of fash shocks. Ninety two
ninety two is that text number? Keen on your views?
It is seventeen past one.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
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Speaker 3 (12:30):
That'd be it is twenty past one. We're talking about
the social media band for under sixteen's. It comes into
affect in Australia at the end of this week. Meta
Facebook is already onto it, removing a whole bunch of
accounts and our Prime Minister says it's going to come
into affect a New Zealand or they're going to put
a bill foroard before the election next year.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, so do you support it coming to New Zealand?
What do you think about it? What do you think
about this text one? Prepare your child for the path,
not the path for your child. This child band is
simply a method of bringing in digital ID for everyone.
Only a fool would be blind to that ulterior motive.
I'll go into the you know, the regulations on how

(13:10):
your your proof of age has done in the Australian method,
because it's quite interesting and it's actually laid a few
of my fears if we bought it in here in
New Zealand, around anonymity online interesting and around you know
what you raise the digital ID situation. Ben, You've got
a niece and nephew in this in Australian moment.

Speaker 6 (13:32):
They with Npian Melbourne and so that all they've done
is they've changed there all these social media pro tools
to being that they're living in New Zealand and from
New Zealand and they're running a VPN before they exisen
those social media platforms yes, right, and and and it's

(13:53):
well known, like it's gone around all the schools. All
the school children that talks about it, they've already got
they've already got their ways around it.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, and I've heard, I've heard there's just heaps of
influences online that have just immediately see it how to
get around the so so they don't lose.

Speaker 6 (14:06):
Their Andrew Tates and who takes just everywhere telling all
these kids how to get around it. And yeah, so
so I look, it might work for a few, you know,
if you will obey it, but for the majority, it's
not going to work.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
So how old are the is are your niece and
nephew ben.

Speaker 6 (14:25):
So early teenagers? So thirteen and fifteen.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Right, because because it's pretty Because what they're aiming to
do to that, say you're a fifteen year old and
you spend a little time on social media, they're going
to delete your account. Yeah you know if you if
you don't do what they've done in advance. Not only
do they not stop you getting account if you've already
got one, and maybe you've got some followers, maybe you've

(14:49):
got something going on as a fifteen year old. Boom,
it just just goes, They're to be a certain amount
of resentment from that.

Speaker 6 (14:55):
When you think Ben, well, these guys they all did
it months ago. So you know, even before Meta started
looking in and making sure you know, are you there?
Are you here?

Speaker 4 (15:08):
He changed it.

Speaker 6 (15:09):
They knew this was coming, and his influences have been
onto this months ago. So yeah, there's a look. I
think that it's already bolted. Mate, the horse has already
bolted on this.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Are your niece and nephew if you don't mind me
asking are they? Would you describe them as good kids?
Are they naughty kids or good kids? I mean it's
hard to define, but generally.

Speaker 6 (15:27):
Look, look the good kids. And my brother he's got
a thing that hey, if I want to check your
social media on your phone, you're going to open it
up and you're going to let me chick it. And
and that's how it's always been, so you know, like
every now and again, he will check it. If he
thinks he's something up, he will chick it. So and
I think that's where you've got to be with your kids.
You've got to be like, well, I'd rather than be

(15:49):
on it and me being able to have access to it,
then me saying a blanket no and then going around
my back and doing it.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
So your your your your brothers are preparing your child
for the path, not the path for your child type parent.
Would you say, yeah, but what do you think? What
do you think about social media and the damage it's doing? Well,
I mean that's a what is it? I'm a leading
leading question there? Sorry, pin Do you think social media
is damaging for those under sixteen?

Speaker 4 (16:19):
Listen?

Speaker 6 (16:20):
No, Look, I think Look during COVID it was great
my kids, you know, they keep them touch with them,
you know, their cousins overseas and stuff. It was absolutely
great to it sort of things. But there's so many
scams and so much stuff that kids can get worked
in through that they wouldn't necessarily understand. So yeah, it

(16:41):
does have a point. But I still think that just
being in something because you don't solve an issue.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, and then what you might end up doing, sorry Tyler,
what you might end up doing as the kids keeping
it more secret even then before from their parents, because
now not only as they've got the judgment of their
parents and what they're doing, but they've also got the
fact that it's illegal.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
So yeah, that's what they're exactly what's going to happen
and is.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
That Yeah, I'm just going to say and I'm just
trying to phrase my thinking here, but I think it's
been well documented that rise and anxiety. Part of it,
not all of it. Part of it is due to
children being online more and that responsibility of organizations and
companies like Facebook and Instagram and TikTok. I mean, what's
your take on a ben Do you think they've been

(17:30):
forced to do this by Australia and there's other countries
looking to do that. Do you think they should have
some sort of responsibility on looking after young members in
terms of the content they're shown.

Speaker 6 (17:42):
Yes, s No, Like you watch the six o'clock news,
some of the stuff you see on these pretty graphic
and you know it's it's raded PG, So you know,
I just I think, yeah, my personally, I've probably spent
a bit too much time on it. I try and
limit it if I can, Like I'll lead the phone
at home on the weekends when I've gone out. But

(18:05):
I think you need to sit down with your kids
and you need to go over it, and you need
to teach them and they're and just straight benning something
shutting it down doesn't set them up for when they
actually do two in sixteen.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yeah, I mean there's a part of me and I
look at the damage that social media does, and I've
read quite a bit about it, and I'm really worried
about what it's doing to kids' minds and their attention
span and their ability to achieve at school because of
the ready dopamine hits they get from social media and stuff.
But I also see it. It's kind of like an
aim armish community, isn't it. You know, Eventually, you know,

(18:39):
they have to go out into the world, and if
they're not prepared when they go into the world, you know,
that's when really bad things can happen, you know. And
when you're six over sixteen, you're still incredibly, incredibly you know,
naive and vulnerable.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah, so yeah, I mean I thinks so much for
we call being appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yeah, great, cal taking yours on O E one hundred
and eighty ten eighty if you want to send a
text nine two nine two is that number back very soon?
It is twenty seven bus one.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
All the people who say how to rate the new
laws should be thrown in jail. Immediately. The law is
the law.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
It would be some chocolate block prisons. I reckon, there's
I reckon, thirteen year old using VPNs. Chuck him in jail,
shock him straight to jail.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, I mean, is there anyone that doesn't break some law?

Speaker 5 (19:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Good question even Yeah.

Speaker 7 (19:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
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Speaker 3 (20:16):
Very good afternoon. Sure, it is hop Pass one and
we are talking about the social media ban for under sixteen's.
It is due to coming to force in Australia at
the end of this week and there's been a lot
of talk from the Prime Minister and the coalition about
bringing it in here. What do you say, good idea
or does it have too many fish or so? One
hundred and eighty ten.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Eight The six says society will turn ferrol without laws,
you will get yours. Now, what I'm saying is that,
in terms of the breaching of laws, getting around a
sign and to social media would be on the lower
level of offending with it. Yeah, definite compared to I mean,
is there anyone that doesn't do I'm just trying to think.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
I don't know, gros of laws that you.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Grow something on their burm that they're not allowed to.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
Yeah, speeding, you know, breaking the speed limit cheap as
I do that most weeks. You know, I'm not crazy
over the top, but sometimes I'll be. I'll be riding
fifty six and a fifty you know that's against the law.
That is against the law.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Shocking admission. You need to be tasted for that.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
The boss is walking in already, I think. I think
I've just ended my career.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
I think that's a career career ender. I'm just trying
to think of the low level laws that we all break,
we will breach. I think most people are doing a
bit of breaching around the COVID.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Times letting your dog off leash in a traditionally on
leash area and a few people that do that exactly.
That's low level.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
If there's a law, yeah, I mean it's an interesting question.
If there's a law that you don't agree with, should
you follow it. There's some that you probably pushed back on.
I mean I broadly agree with most laws. Yeah, hugely
Anti murder.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
That's a good one to be anti.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
But if murder is at this end of the scale,
and sneaking around the back of a social media band
is at the other end, I would say that I
would say it would be at the other end, is
what I'm saying. Did I hear you?

Speaker 7 (22:01):
Right?

Speaker 11 (22:02):
You?

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Fascist?

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Here we go?

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Online anonymity is a good thing. Really, I bet you
one those keyboard warriors out there amusing people like a coward,
too scared to face the consequences of the stuff you say.
Once again, I found myself disgusted by your take on air. Yeah,
but you keep coming back, don't you. I don't know.
I think you can say a lot of things about me.
I personally don't think I'm a fascist. But also I

(22:25):
don't think I'm too scared to face the consequences of
the stuff I say. Otherwise I wouldn't do Matt Heath
and Tyler Adams afternoons on New Stalks.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
He'd be You do it every day, and you deal
with anonymous people sitting for a lot of abuse.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Case in point, you're anonymous, Yeah, yeah, but for us,
we have a name on the show, exact Heath and
Tyler Adams. It's right at the start.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
You know who we are. This is zero at hide
from it. This is zero anonymity. Here are we taking
more of your calls?

Speaker 6 (22:49):
I e.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty parents.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Think that this will make their life easier, but it
won't necessarily sort out all their problems. Hopefully won't lead
other risky behavior. Navigating around tricky issues is better than
banning says this text.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
Yeah right, coming up after the headlines, we are taking
your thoughts on the potential social media band for under
sixteens coming to Zellen. But we're also going to have
a chat to the Free Speech Union's chief executive Julaane Heather.
They've got some major concerns when it comes to the
idea of banning social media for under sixteens, so we'll
have a chat to her next. It is twenty six
to two US talk said.

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Speaker 3 (24:43):
Thank you very much, Trailane. So as Australia begins at
social media band to under sixteen year olds, the Free
Speech Union has worn that doing the same here would
do more harm than good. To discuss further, we're joined
by Julaine Heather, Free Speech Union Chief Executive Julaine very
good afternoon to you, Cura.

Speaker 10 (24:59):
Tyler, Kyoda, Matt, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Do under sixteen year olds have the same rights to
free speech as the rest of us?

Speaker 10 (25:08):
No, it is our position literally as an organization we
legislate for children all the time on a different on
a different level than adults, you know, in terms of schooling, drinking, voting,
so many, so many aspects. So they don't have the
same rights as adults. That doesn't mean they have no rights,
though I do absolutely think that taking away or banning

(25:31):
their access makes them digitally illiterate and does not set
them up for the future.

Speaker 11 (25:37):
But the rights are different, so.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
They have some rights. And if we do remove the
sixteen year olds from social media, does this just remove
young voices from what is essentially now the public square
of discourse in modern societies.

Speaker 10 (25:53):
No, exactly. So look, our concerns are twofold. One of them,
the most the largest, is that any system that we
think that will be built to protect kids will actually
end up limiting lawful speech for adults, either you know,
censorship collect then excessive personal data you know, etcetera, or
limiting access for people to get on to the digital marketplace.

(26:15):
So our main concern is that we have not seen
a system that's rolled out that doesn't have false positives
and doesn't actually end up censoring and limiting freedom of
expression for adults. But then to your second point, I
absolutely think it takes well. It takes away the young
voices from their marketplace, their ability to interact with each other,

(26:37):
their ability to enter into businesses, their ability to seek help,
seek information, etc. And as we all know, we're already
seeing it. It just drives them. It's funneling them to
different sites, and it will funnel them out of the light,
literally to darker and darker and dodgier sites. They're already going, right,
They're already clean in the masses.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Seems to be the case that Australia there are there's
some parts of it, because I'll ask you about digital
anonymity in a minute, but what's been suggested in Australia,
there are some safeguards are around people's information, like the
data must be used only for age verification where and
then must be deleted. No, there's no central government database
of the information taken by these platforms to check someone

(27:22):
at the ages and you know, strict penalties for misuse,
so people will still be allowed to be anonymous in Australia.
Do you believe those safeguards are enough that they're bring
in Australia.

Speaker 10 (27:36):
How many breaches have we seen from the UK when
they brought their acting in July already happening?

Speaker 5 (27:43):
Was it?

Speaker 10 (27:43):
How many millions on discord? Was there a data breach?
Our data is not safe out there? And I think
collecting sensitive data for young people is literally what they
term a honeypot in terms of we've just created a
holy grail for people to go after. The government talks
about data, but how many data breaches literally occur almost
every day around the world here. So look, I think

(28:07):
the problem is real. You know there's predatory algorithms, If
there's harm to kids from some of the social media,
address the problem, make it a proportional response, empirically verified,
and actually, you know, improve the digital literacy, improve the
parental tools, improve the education, and go after the platforms
for that asymmetrical algorithm addicting sort of bit. It's a

(28:32):
bluntfall that they're doing. I think it's led to sort
of virtue signaling. I don't think it works, and we
know the kids will find a way around it.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Well, what I say to the argument Julane that they're
having over in Australia right now with this legislation, that
they know that there will be people that will bypass
the band and it's not going to be finable offense
if you do that. There's obviously some steep fines for
the platforms that don't take reasonable steps, but there's flexibility
in that law. So their argument is this is a
step in the right direction, but it's not going to

(29:01):
be ironclad. It's not going to catch every under sixteen
year old using the social media, but it's an effort
to try and change behavior.

Speaker 10 (29:09):
I think culture changes behavior. Not passing a law that
doesn't actually probably address the problem. As soon as you
prohibit something, what happens. Prohibition just doesn't work, right, it
makes it almost more desirable. I look, I absolutely understand
the impetus. I understand the protective you know, sort of

(29:31):
urge that people are feeling, and I know there are
real harms out there. I just think this is a
really blunt instrument that hasn't been proved to work so far,
and we'll just drive kids into different places underground, you know,
et cetera. Look, it's the school holidays. Australia is bringing
this in at a time when kids are going to

(29:51):
have all the time in the world on their hands.
I bet you that they are not outside plane on
the eleventh of December I bet you that they're on
VPNs and social media figuring out a way around or
just going to new platforms right until the government comes
after those platforms.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
It could potentially make just a whole generation of really
digitally sneaky people, yeah, you know that have trained from
a young age to circumvent regulations. Now we're hearing this
a lot, and this is a wider issue, but we're
hearing a lot on the text machine right now. What
is the problem with people using their real names online?
People say it will, you know, make the discourse better

(30:29):
if people have to back up what they're saying with
their reputations in real life. So is anonymousy online important
for free speech? And why?

Speaker 4 (30:42):
Look?

Speaker 10 (30:44):
Yeah, no, exactly. Look I believe that it is. And look,
don't get me wrong, I would love more managed to
come back in every aspect of our lives. And I
think that would absolutely help with discourse and people knowing
who you are. I think that does give another level
and sort of shut down some of the trolls. But
the ability to criticize government, the ability to criticize your employer,

(31:05):
the ability to criticize systems where maybe your job's at
at risk, maybe you're you know, the society that you're
in doesn't doesn't like conformity of thought. There seems to
be a lot of conformity of thought at the moment.
So I think the ability for pseudo anonymity to go
on to comment on things, to actually raise discussions that
like even during COVID for instance, or you know, other

(31:28):
periods that we've been through, for people to actually raise
real issues when otherwise they might have felt afraid to
or felt that they would be sanctioned at work or
shunned from their community. We need an outlet for that.
But believing me, if we could bring back more manners,
are they're big fans?

Speaker 12 (31:46):
You know?

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Further that point and issues that were raised, And of
course there's been a lot of talk about how these
big tech companies engaged in censorship and with pressure from
the governments, particularly in the United States but all around
the world. Do we want tech companies to be the
gatekeepers on public discourse? And isn't this kind of what

(32:08):
we're empowering them to be that they are the people
because because you know, this Australian law particularly puts the
onus on them. So are you comfortable with them these
big corporations being the gatekeepers.

Speaker 10 (32:22):
I'm very uncomfortable with that sort of power in anyone
else's hands, right except for those really bright lines of
you know, incitement and direct harm, et cetera. Look in
a way, by default, these large companies already control so
much of what we see and so much of what
we do, but the government then handing them more and
more power. We saw that in the in the UK

(32:44):
with the Online Safety Actor came into effect in July,
and the platforms just pulled. They were pulling news, they
were pulling you know, factual reports and things from the
universities and professors because it referenced violence, or it referenced
this all that, and like it's that it's a blunt instrument.
I don't want the power in the data company. Let's

(33:04):
go after they how they use the data that they have.
Let's address data sovereignty. Let's look at the predatory algorithms,
and let's find a way to incentivize the companies to
you know, or misincentivize them, to incentivize them to sort
of fix those algorithms as opposed to these blunt bands
that that will censor adults as well. And you know,

(33:26):
and our supporters are very concerned that this does turn
into sort of a default, you know, digital ID program,
which we did see the UK going down straight after
the when they bought the Online Safety Act in Julane.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Thank you very much for coming on. I haven't chat
with us and your expertise really interesting. Taking your calls
on one hundred and eighty ten eighty. You've heard from
the Free Speech Union to say that will do more
harm than good. What do you reckon?

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yeah? Do you agree eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
or do you think the damage that social media is
doing to under sixteen's is so bad that we need
just a to snip it off? Anyway we can.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Thirteen to two.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
A fresh take on Talkback.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
It's Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons have your say on eight.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Talk It is eleven to two Chris Keen to get
your thoughts on this idea of the social media band
for teenagers.

Speaker 7 (34:19):
Yeah, good it go.

Speaker 4 (34:20):
So I reckon the mental health sector with young people
are and say it's what I work for or anything,
but I think I think in terms of a ban,
I think it's working part, but I think young people
are always going to find a way around it. But
I think it's about giving parents the power or knowledge

(34:40):
that social media isn't okay, and there's a lot of
parents out there that don't understand the harms that it
can cause. So I think in turn, having having a
band for under sixteens will help parents be able to
enforce it easier with their kids if it's something that
other parents get behind as well.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
So you think that the parents will have the tool
of saying this is illegal. You know, you're not just
in trouble with me, you're in trouble with the law
doing this.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
Yep, that's one hundred percent right. Like it's the same
they did it with energy drinks. You know, you've got
to be a certain age that countdown to will works
to go and buy any drinks. It just pops up
and says yes or no. Are you sixteen? You've cut yes,
and you buy the energy drink. But for some young
people they go, oh, I'm not meant to do this,
so I won't. So we see like lots of young

(35:27):
people sending nudes things like that through Snapchat. They don't
understand the repercussions of it, and we deal with it
with a lot of that and parents don't know this
kind of stuff's happening or what platforms do what. So
I think I think just having something that parents can
kind of say, hey, you're not actually not meant to
be on there, or you're not allowed it's illegal to

(35:48):
be on there, it might help. There'll be some parents
that don't care, but I think it's about a tool.

Speaker 6 (35:53):
You know.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
It's the same with drug use. Kids are going to
use drugs, but some young people don't use drugs because
it's illegal, you know, So there's always going to be
the exception to the rule. But I think having some
kind of band just will hopefully empower parents to you know,
get behind it and be able to say, hey, lots,
this is illegal. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
And your work, what are the what what are you seeing?
What is what is the mental health effect of social
media that that you're seeing in your work?

Speaker 4 (36:23):
So for us, it's it's it's like you know, when
I was young, a little a long time ago, if
you were bullied or things like that, that kind of
stopped as soon as you walked in, you know, as
soon as you left school or you got home. It
doesn't stop. You know. Young people are staying up late
at night it's still getting bombarded with with messages and
and bullying things, or being accepted into group chats, and

(36:45):
they kept out of group chats. So some young people
will say mean things about a young person, invite that
young person into the chats, they can read what's happening,
or people are saying awful about them, and then they
kicked them out of the chat so they can't respond
to it. You know, there's grooming. You know, you've got
lots of kids that are meeting people online and meeting
up with them and so yeah, so this is all

(37:08):
of those types of things that are kind of happening.
Drug dealing truly easy as well, but you know that's
like discord and things like that, which are the primary
purposes for chatting, not for that fund of stuff. But
you find those malicious things in everything.

Speaker 9 (37:23):
So yeah, yeah, Chris, very interesting thoughts.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Really appreciate you calling in. Oh e one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is that number to call really keen
on your thoughts about the social media band for under sixteens.
It's seven to two.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Maddies Tylor Adams taking your calls on oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen, Tyler Adams, Afternoons
News Dogs.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Be afternoon to you. It is four to two. Quite
a few texts coming through. On nine, two ninety.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Two, Shannon says, Hi, I run a page for my
boys sporting Jenny, and now he's thirteen, he cooperates with
that page. I like that he is learning how to
navigate social media with my guidance. What I would be
concerned about is him spending time online when he should
be out socializing and playing. I mean, that's one of
the problems with social media. Isn't at hijack's healthy socializing

(38:12):
and and favors algorithm based social lizing, and so it
hits that social box, that sort of social instincts for
the profit of big tech.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Right to mass the problem.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah, this sixth says, you say your name is on
the show, but who are you? Matt Heath? Are you real?
You don't seem real. Is that your real name? How
would we know you are no different from an online troll?
If it's not May, I'd be surprised. I've been running
a pretty long game. Yeah, you know, since my high
school friends made a TV show on TVNZ in two
thousand and one. That's a long time to be running
a pseudonym.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
News is next.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Taylor
Adams Afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
ZIB Afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show. Seven
past two. So we've been talking about the social media
band for under sixteen's. It comes into effect in Australia
at the end of this week meta who owns Facebook,
Instagram and threads that are already onto it. They are
removing undreds of thousands of accounts who they believe are
owned by under sixteen year olds from today and a

(39:14):
lot of other countries are watching how it all goes
for Australia, including our country. The Prime Minister Christopher Luxen
made mention a few weeks ago that they are hoping
to bring in a bill before next next year's election
to do something very similar here.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah, I think we all agree that social media is
having mental health repercussions for our young people and people
of all ages actually, but I mean there is a
few questions around it. Does this just drive kids to
dodgier parts of the internets, circumventing the platforms, the big

(39:47):
platforms that we all know about and then are under
our scrutiny. Does it make a bunch of sneaky kids
running around and the wild wild West of the internet,
And you know, does it make their digital literacy literacy worse?
And so when they actually end up online, they are
more susceptible to the damage, because when you're sixteen, you're

(40:07):
still susceptible to all kinds of damage. And then, of
course there's the free free speech issues of allowing these
big tech companies to be the gatekeepers of people's age
and whether it around online and do you think it
stops here or does he think it moves to banning
content after this?

Speaker 7 (40:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Oh, e one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that
number to call? And if you're a parent, hand on heart,
do you think you do know exactly what your teenager
under sixteen is looking at when they are online? How
much control do you have over that? Do they allow
you into their social media? I love to hear from you?
Nine two nine two's a text?

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Yeah, I think there's something in what what was his name?
He was called? Sorry? I think was Chris that who
works in the mental health that talked to us just
before he was Chris just before the break and he
was saying, there is something in the parents being able
to say it's not just me. You're not fighting me
on this, this is the law. You aren't allowed to
be circumventing this and trying to get onto these sites. Yeah,

(41:00):
and also potentially it removes a little bit of the
social stigma of not being on there. If you're fourteen,
you go, well, I just can't because it's illegal and
my parents won't allow it because it's the legal.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Which I think is a fair point. Yeah, because it's
a big part of it.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
FOMO is a big part of it, being behind And
if that's where kids are socializing and your parents put down,
put their foot down and say no, you can't be online,
but all your friends are, then you feel left out
and maybe you are left.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Outside that cast. Yeah. Absolutely, that's what happens when you're
a teenager.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
But also I mean kind of, I mean you can't,
as another text said before, you know, you can't change
the path. You've got to prepare your kids for the
path that they're going to tread. You can't change the
path for them. So part of being a parent is
making your kids competent for the real world and making
this as competent as soon as you can, because you
can't be with them ever, and you can't ban everything.

(41:56):
You know, you have to make kids that can handle
the environment that they're going to be spewed out into.
And that environment is going to be online and absolutely
riddled with vacuous, disgusting, terrifying, dangerous social media.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
It's a crazy place out there. Rob you recont okay, mate,
you reckon the cats out of the bag on this one.

Speaker 13 (42:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
Completely.

Speaker 14 (42:19):
Like I'm I'm thirty eight now, so I've grown up
through the rise of the Internet. And back when I
was at high school, we used to have blocks so
you can go off the websites that the school allowed allowed,
but we all quickly worked out how to how to
get proxies and get out onto the internet where we

(42:39):
wanted to be at school and stuff like that. And
you look at it nowadays you want to do something
like I definitely don't use a VPN to watch BBC
iPlayer things like that.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
But those people they've got clever at it, haven't they.
Like I wouldn't know, but the BBC seems to beginning
better at detecting a VPN.

Speaker 14 (43:03):
Well, I haven't had I allegedly haven't had any issues.
But it all comes down to what should happen as
parental responsibility in teaching kids to use these things properly.
That's never going to happen because there's a hell of
a lot of parents out there.

Speaker 5 (43:23):
Who do not care.

Speaker 14 (43:26):
And yeah, with everything, there's a way around it, and
it's not that hard to find.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Do you think it will lower You know, it might
not get everyone, and some people will sneak around the back,
but do you think overall it will lower the amount
of under sixteens that are on social media and as
a result, potentially save some kids from the from from
the damage and potentially shits change. I mean potentially change

(43:55):
things enough that there's enough kids not on social media
they start socializing the old school way and that sort
of has a chance of surviving if you get what
I'm saying. It's a bit of a round about question,
but you know what I'm gonning.

Speaker 14 (44:07):
I don't think it'll make it, But I've got a
couple of examples. My cousin's got a thirteen year old
and he's only just gotten his first cell phone, and
he's had kind of limits and supervision with computers and
the Internet and all that sort of thing, and he

(44:29):
is a brilliant kid. He comes around, he'll be out
in the card and playing.

Speaker 6 (44:35):
He will be.

Speaker 14 (44:36):
Taking my metal detector and trying to find things. He'll
be wanting to get out and do stuff. Even though
now he does have the phone and access to it.
He's like I was when I was a kid. But
then on the other hand, I've got a friend who's
got kids around the same AID group, and they've just
never been really supervised with internet and stuff, and they

(45:01):
are just constantly glued to their phones. Language they use
to their parents as palling, They flitter around, they've got
the attention stand up and NAT And I'm actually diagnosed
at e HD, so I know what that's like. And
it's not for the cool factor that I'm diagnosed, but yeah,

(45:26):
I can see it giving them that sort it's taken
away their their childhoods and their attention and everything over
being on these apps, and it's it is up to
parents to try and control the limited. But unfortunately that's
not going to happen either.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Just on the workaround robs, you know, allegedly, we'll just
keep using that word when you want to figure out
a workaround to use something like the BBC Player or
watch something on HBO Max that is available in New Zealand.
Don't you go to those social media sites to get
that information. So if it's banned for under sixteens, maybe
just maybe that information will be gate kept.

Speaker 14 (46:09):
Well actually slightly different topic, but relates you want to
know anything go as chat tikt right.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Interesting, that's how to how to bypass a few things,
does it?

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Yeah, well, that's one of the problems as well that
they're talking about as some of the most harmful stuff
as the relationships that people under sixteen are having with
you know, AI chatbots and stuff that hasn't been banned.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
That's a great angle to come into it because as
that social media know but as you say, it can
be incredibly dangerous to a young person.

Speaker 14 (46:45):
Yeah, yeah, and it's social media isn't the only thing
it is just porn is the biggest thing on the Internet,
and that you can get easy easy. There's how they're
going to stop kids getting onto that. It's all about learning,
learning how to use it properly and safely, and having

(47:07):
parents who can educate their kids and stuff. And yeah,
I don't think any sort of banning of social media
is going to do anything.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Well, thank you for you. Call Rob afternoon boys. Can
we get teens band off PlayStations? So getting my ass
kicked on Battlefield six by teenagers?

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Yeah, I think that's a fair point. We'll take that
straight to the top. I mean YouTube, okay, but just.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
If you're on you know, if you play, if you're
online gamer like me, you're getting your absolutely kicked by
you know, very young people.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
They can put in some man out as those kids. Yeah,
they found very very good. All right, Taking more of
your calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty social
media ban. It could be coming to New Zealand. Do
you think it's gonna work? Back in the moth.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Your home of afternoon Talk mad He then Taylor Adams
afternoons call eight hundred eighty ten eighty Youth Talk S.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
It's eighteen past two and we're discussing social media band
for under sixteen's Ozzie. They're bringing it into force at
the end of this week. But Facebook isn't mucking around.
They've already started deleting accounts they suspect are run by
under sixteens and it could be coming here in New Zealand.
The Prime Minister and the Coalition have made no bones
about it that they think it's a good decision and
they're going to put a bill through Parliament before the election.

(48:24):
They say.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
This text says, guys, my fourteen year old son last
year had someone hack into his phone on Snapchat and
he had some videos on there of him being amorous,
and the hacker threatened to send it to all his
contacts if he didn't pay a sizable ransom. Let me
tell you, he was hours away from ending his life
if you hadn't if he hadn't told of me, hadn't
told me, and I got a computer geniust intervene. But

(48:47):
this wouldn't have happened if he wasn't allowed on social media.
It is iffing scary out there, men, that is.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
I mean, I know that's a pretty common scan that
happens to a lot of young men, but it would
be terrifying to you know that they're watching something online.
We know it happens, and I'm not going to be
crude here, but you're watching something online that maybe you
shouldn't be at that age, and then you get that
email saying we know what you've been watching and here's
your account and here's your email. That would freak you
out as a fourteen year old unless you pay so

(49:14):
much bitcoin. That is horrendous. That's the worst type of scam.
They don't have anything quite often. By the way, it
should be a police matter. Yeah, very common.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Wow, that would be scary for a young person. Guys,
Please give attention to Roadblocks. It has been exposed as
a massive grooming situation. Yeah, so Roadblocks is the I mean,
this is This is the thing with all these platforms
as they start off as such incredibly positive environments like Roadblocks.

(49:42):
When I last checked in was a site where people
could program games and share the games and talk about
the games, and it was a very creative thing. But
then wherever it is, it's like Reddit started out as
a very like a forum where people could discuss things.
I read this interesting thing and share about it, least
have a discussion discussion about Let's form subreddits on interesting topics.

(50:02):
Let's talk about it. Maybe there's a TV show I like,
that'sb secure. Maybe you know I'm a harp player, yep,
let's start our harp and then it's just you know,
I think everyone agrees now that read it is the
worst of them, so winch farce. Now it's the most
damaging of all the social media And that started off
as the shining light. And for a while there people
were talking about TikTok, is it so positive? It's just

(50:23):
people dancing and doing their little things. And now TikTok
has been completely hijacked by just the most insane politics
you've ever seen, where people are blasting out one minute
loads of bollocks. If you ever talked to anyone that
spends a lot of time on TikTok, their politics becomes
very bizarre, very quickly. But that started out as a
really positive, just performance. So I remember people writing, why

(50:45):
is TikTok so positive when other sites have gone so negative?
And now TikTok's you know, TikTok can read it the worst.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
What's the word and shitification that's effectively what it is, right.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Yeah, Well, and certification is kind of slightly different, and
that the platform gets worse but wants more from you.
It's more the horrification.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Or something, you know, like the downward slide.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Yeah, the algorithm push to more and more negative, so negative,
more and more negative, the negative gets elevated over the
positive over time. Yeah, that's what happens on all social
media because it gets more engagement. Anger and fear get
more engagement. Then ooh, that person's good at playing the guitar.

Speaker 13 (51:23):
So true.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. After the break. We have a chat with
Junior and he reckons he's got a better idea than
simply banning social media. So that's coming up. It's twenty
two past two.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Twenty four past too. So we're talking about the social
media ban that's coming into effect in Australia. Our government
is looking at bringing in something very similar. Keen to
get your thoughts texts to you guys. I support A
band had a thirteen year old grandson in the UK
utterly addicted to social media, mainly through a lack of
effective parenting. Completely lost it off, the cell phone was
taken off him, search parents' bedroom looking for it. Sneaky, dishonest,

(52:06):
no different to alcohol or drugs and too older would
have helped his parents. That's from Alphie, Thank you very much.
For that text, Alfie Junior, you reckon. You've got a
better idea than simply just banning it.

Speaker 15 (52:18):
Hey there, brothers, Yeah, I was just listening to you guys,
and I think Australia is on the right path. But
I think they've got it wrong as well. I think
we should ban If we're going to go follow suit,
we should ban the smartphone for the teenagers. Go to eighteen.
They can use an cure just like we did when
we were growing up, and they last a hell of

(52:41):
a long time. And then once there, then they're going
to get a smartphone. If they're going to be on
social media. They've got to be on social media no
matter what. Just like the other blog was saying, they're
gonna find ways, so might as well just store it
at home under the guidance of the Pearans. But banned
the smartphones at school until they're eighteen not.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
A bad idea. I mean, I loved my little Nokia
last year.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Do you think you know would you ban it? You know,
in the same way that we ban So if you
if you find a kid on the street with a
with a with a smartphone, then get confiscated. Criminal repercussions fines.
How would how would you see it being enforced?

Speaker 15 (53:22):
You know, it's it's you're still under the age. He's
just asking them for their their you know, their ID,
and then find the parent. So there the ones there
most likely pay for the smartphone.

Speaker 5 (53:35):
Like, I get it.

Speaker 15 (53:36):
I kind of get a lot of backlash on the smartphone.
But you know, I grew up with a Nokia the
architeles and I'm pretty fine. And I got a smartphone
when I was probably like twenty five, and I feel
like I'm Oki like everyone else.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Yeah, well smoking instead of going around the back of
the bike kids to have a cheeky dart, they're wed
around the cap of the bike, hids with your iPhone
saying hey, let's have a look at social media.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
I think it's absolutely it would be absolutely terrifying to
you know, like as you see that, they they show
a shot of kids now and a shot of kids
from twenty years ago, and the immediate thing you notice
is that no one has a phone in their hands
and no one's steering at a device because there was
not much to steer out ANOCKI at thirty two ten, Yeah,
you can play snake.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
It just was that for about thirty seconds.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Yeah, hey, thank you so much for your call, Junior.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Yeah, good idea.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
I mean, there's no doubt that the cell phones have
changed things. I mean, and then they track, you know,
mental health outcomes for young people from two thousand and
eight when smartphones really came in, and it just just
the problems fell off a cliff. Definitely fell off a
cliff or fell up a cliff, you know, the graph
of problems went up.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Yes, yeah, especially for young girls.

Speaker 5 (54:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
I think that's very, very hard for them. You know
that the social media and the sharing of images and
all that kind of stuff, it's pretty pretty punishing out there.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
Yeah, and once you get a smartphone, I mean, it's
pretty hard going back. If I, you know, think about myself.
Could I even go to a brick phone? No, I
can't because I rely on not too much. And I
know that's part of my problem. But I think Junior's
got a point that if a child doesn't have one
and you try, you give them a dumb phone for
as long as possible, then they don't know what they're
missing out on. As soon as you give them a
smartphone and allow access to that becomes incredibly difficult to

(55:18):
take that away from them.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Yeah, but I can imagine a situation where where where
kids will be ordering on team of a big brack
that you then slide your smartphone into.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
Yeah, they'll get around it.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
You just shut it closed when the cops come past.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
So yes, I mean, boy, it's been a really a
really interesting chat that will go on. This is one
of those ones with a lot of gray area, isn't it.
And so supporters of the under sixteen social media bands
say child exposure to grooming, violent content and harmful olglorisms
is so widespread, it's such a big problem that just

(55:56):
a little tweak won't cut it. So the only way
to deal with it is no under sixteens like a
firm band. But you know, they do know that some people,
I think all those people that support they do know.
I do realize that some people will sneak around at
some of the kids. But overall, having less kids and
social media is a good thing. The other side, of course,
augu's bands don't fix digital literacy. They just push kids

(56:18):
into more dangerous, unregulated places. They rely on shaky age
tech and risky data collection that undermine, you know, the
protections that kids need. As well as making dodgy untrustworthy
tech companies the gatekeepers that it lets them off the hook.
And that's the other thing. I mean, it kind of
does let the tech companies off the hook around their

(56:38):
really dodgy algorithms. Does they're like, oh, well, we're not
messing up the kids because they're banned, we're doing hour
But meanwhile their algorithms are just pushing people to insanity.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
So true.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
So it kind of kind of lets them off the hot.
But you know, whatever happens, I reckon as a parent,
it's my job to make my kids powerful enough to
deal with the world they have to deal with, whether
it's digital, and it is digital, right, So at some
point you're going to have to make your kids competent
at dealing with the digital world they're going into. It's
sixteen or fourteen or thirteen. At some point they're going

(57:11):
to have to work out how to operate in this world.
And the government can't do that for you.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
Yeah, yep, nicely said, great discussion, and we'll see what
happens with our own legislation next year. But coming up
after the headlines, Matt, you've got a campaign that you
want to start against flat pack furniture.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Yeah, I'm hearing about these meatball hocking flat packers and
I want to start the flat pack backlash, the flat
pack backlash, and I'll tell you all about that after
the break.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
It is bang on hapas two headlines with railing coming up.

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It includes a four point six percent pay increase over
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(58:05):
Also a fund for professional learning and develop for secondary teachers.
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mean there are no plans for more. Christ Church is
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(58:26):
target and disrupt a spike in youth crime, alongside boosting
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Herald Premium. Back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
Thank you very much, so you can't have missed it.
It's opening day for Ikea in Auckland and people collectively
have lost their minds. There's traffic alerts, schools sending out
warnings to say, maybe drop your kids off a little
bit later if you in the area. There's live streams
of IKEA's opening on most of our media websites, and

(59:29):
we got away update before. A little bit slow at
the moment, but it's picking up at Ikea in Auckland.
All four a bunch of flat pack furniture. I mean
it seems like we love a good opening in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
That's right. Everyone's banging on about these Mount Wellington based
meatball hocking flat packers like they're the second coming of furniture. Look,
best of luck to the Swedes. I love Swedes. But
I think the whole flat pack thing needs to be avoided.
Having moved house in the last couple of weeks and
smashed a bunch of rubbish flat pack furniture and thrown
it in the skip, I've banned flat packs from my

(01:00:03):
house now. And when I say smash them, just rock
them back and forth a few times, and then they
go completely flat and collapse and the particle board just breaks,
and you just hif them in the skip and it's
not word. No one wants it. You try and put
a flat pack in the wood bin at the refuse
transfer center and you'll get tasered by the start I

(01:00:24):
don't want it's not real wood, it's not wood. It
can't be used more than once, I believe, And I'd
like to hear what people think on this eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty that we need to support properly made,
fully functioning furniture that last generations. There's a chest of
draws that's gone from house to house with me for many, many,

(01:00:45):
many years, and I inherited it, and that person that
inherited it inherited it before them. So this is a
piece of furniture, a chest of draws that are so
well made that it has lasted three generations. So whatever
money you're saving on a flat pack, you're not saving
any money at all if you regularly have to just
push it over and shove it in the skip. Yeah,

(01:01:06):
there's secondhand furniture out there if you can't afford bespoke
made furniture or the high quality furniture. You go to
any op shop and you'll see some beautiful, properly made
crafted wood furniture sitting in the corner, unloved, while people
are smearing meatballs all over their face and buying a
flat pack.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
I'm a mess of fantasycond hand. You've come round, you've
seen it. Most of that's from the opshop. Beautiful old
wood that was generational to some family. They decided they
didn't like it, and probably at IQ now by an
absolute tet. But it was a beautiful wooden TV cabinet
that we bought. There was a lovely chair there that
looks like it was hand crafted by some German back
in the eighteen hundreds. It's lovely.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
You're flat packs. They're not flat packs.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
They're not flat packs. I know this is from the
op shop.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Oh right, yeah, I was going to say, yeah, proper wood,
because I was looking at your the thing holding up
your TV, and I was thought, that's a that's a
beautiful it's a beautiful TV cabinet.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Knowledge, Yeah, that's gonna last generation. That's not going to
wobble exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
You know, when you're putting that together, if you make
a mistake, which you invariably do. You know, I don't
care if you're some kind of carpentry genius, you are
going to make a mistake when you put it together.
A punishing flat pack, and that's when you notice how
poorly their whole particle board situation is because it doesn't
take a second screwing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
No, you've got one shot on it, and if you
screw it up, the whole thing's ruins.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
So I want to start the flat pack backlash. I
think that people need to be looking for fully constructed
furniture made by experts that'll last a very very long time.
Someone that loves the furniture that they've made. It's been crafted.
It's a thing of beauty that you put in a

(01:02:46):
furniture truck where you buy it, you drive it to
your house, you put it in the corner of the room,
and it's good to go. You don't have a giant
piece of cardboard that you have to deal with a
whole lot of polysty ring, and you don't have to
wobble it back and forth, crush it flat and throw
it in a skip in three years.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
Yep, Matt's hot on this. What do you say? Oh eight,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is it time to
say a bugger off to flat pack furniture? What did
you call it? The flat pack back lash?

Speaker 5 (01:03:13):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
Eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is an umber to call.
And if you're a furniture maker or a woodworker, really
can you hear from you? How's business going for you?
Are people starting to say no to Ikea? Rubbish?

Speaker 15 (01:03:24):
In?

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Coming back to the real deal? Nine to niney two
is the text. It is twenty one to three.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons used
talks that'd be nineteen to three.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
People have lost their minds because Ikea as open today
and as you know, they are primarily flat pack furniture.
A few meatballs on the side as well. But Matt
you say Australian meatballs, you say no more to flat
pack furniture.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Flat pack backlash. Let's start it here.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
Oh, eight one hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Imagine looking at the traffic around I here, it doesn't
seem that busy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
Yeah, and there was a text here as well saying it.
For all the talk and the live streams from every
media website under the sun in New Zealand, it's been
a fizzer. Try and find that shortly.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
I so agree with good wood furniture messes crowding for
a flat pack and queuing for hours and their eagerness.
It's pathetical and embarrassing. Well, you know, each their own.
If if someone gets you know, if someone likes a
meatball and a flat pack and they want a cue.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
For it, you do you?

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
You do you? No, Actually, I can't say that when
I've just been saying the flat pack backlash one of
my things.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
So magnaball the Australian meatball and then just do the
middle finger to the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Flat pack flat pack backlash. I'm sticking with it.

Speaker 16 (01:04:37):
Mark your thoughts, hey, young me and the master of
the moment was still on the s and oh got
this bloody flat peck war drobe thing that we made up.
And honestly, like you say, I grabed the heavy end

(01:04:58):
of it and grab the metal bars that support the
war drave at the bottom to move it at the door,
and the whole thing just came off from man the
little screw.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
Can here the trauma and your voice Mark, And were
you involved in putting it together?

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Marx? It wasn't used a euro was it together?

Speaker 16 (01:05:20):
And but like you say, you see the particle board
and as soon as you screw the screws, and I
think just a bit does undergrade just the joke, the
whole thing collects. So I think we're going to take
it to the dump and just bash the to the
with a load of the drawers and lead them fun
at all.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
I mean, people are saying that Ikea has better quality
than than some of the flat packs out there.

Speaker 16 (01:05:46):
Yeah, well we didn't get it from my care. I
think we got from well in the madle somewhere like that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
He crossed.

Speaker 16 (01:05:53):
Yeah, a lot of these stuff's not much better either.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
Yeah, and and but you know, yeah you go, Max, Sorry, sorry.

Speaker 5 (01:06:02):
We've got a TV kid too.

Speaker 6 (01:06:04):
You made that up start to say.

Speaker 16 (01:06:08):
And also it's put a block under there for the
open Yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
A moisture will do that to particle board, a bit
of a block, just hold it together for the open home.
It's a little bit soggy.

Speaker 5 (01:06:19):
Yeah, yourselves so.

Speaker 16 (01:06:23):
But but you know that's frustrating.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
As usual, I'm being accused of being an elitist piece
of crap, and people are saying they can't afford good furniture.
But the thing is you'll have to buy another TV
cabinet and you'll have to buy another cupboard Mark, So
it's it's at least twice as expenses of what you
pay if you're regularly having to replace the furniture.

Speaker 16 (01:06:44):
Yeah, they're a lot good than the photos on the box,
but like you say, it's not till you're putting them together.

Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
What the hell of a board here?

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
It's not even that cheap though, is it. Like generally,
I'm never going to turn my nose up at the
likes of the warehouse or even k Maart. But the
last time I bought flat pack furniture was a cabinet
and it was thro round of bucks and by the
time we tried to move it to bring it up
here in Auckland, it's no good just to sintegrate it.

Speaker 6 (01:07:08):
Ye, I know, you may.

Speaker 16 (01:07:11):
I mean in half the time. The instructions aren't sample
the way. You know, there's hardly any thing on them
to make it. You know, some together they're always intequate.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
I put together a flat pat cupboard like you, Mark
with a hangover once, and I think it was the
most difficult two days of my life.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
Yeah, it's a lot of stress, understand.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
But would you would you, Mark? Would you would you
consider secondhand furniture? You know, would you go around the
second hand stores and buy some kind of quality, generational stuff.

Speaker 16 (01:07:47):
Well, yeah, that's further than probably last longer than a
flat pet. But I think now it probably lot the
scale for a better quality and be done well, just
pay a little bit more.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Yeah, it's one of those false economy things, isn't it.
It's it's like if you go to a hardware store
and you buy a nine to ninety five hammer, you
are back behind an other nine m.

Speaker 16 (01:08:11):
Oh yeah, yeah, quality. I agree with what you say
of it, Yeah, particle ball of it, of course.

Speaker 7 (01:08:22):
You're good.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
Yeah, good on your Mark. I'm sorry you had to
go through that, mate. I eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighties number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Yeah, and look, I don't know. I've bought Ikea stuff before, absolutely,
and i've famously well famously in my group of friends
got lost in a Ikea store in London once and
beautiful shops.

Speaker 7 (01:08:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Absolutely, But they do make this stuff out of composite
word particle board, fiber you know, fiber board MD if
that kind of stuff, and plastic laminade. I mean, if
it's a flat pack, it's not going to be of
the quality of a piece of furniture made by a
furniture maker out of real wood, right, Yeah, And then

(01:09:00):
you know, you use it for a while and then
it starts to look a bit dodgy, so you painted again. Yeah,
and then then you hand that down kids, and they
hand it down to their kids, then they hand it
down to their kids.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
It's a beautiful thing, and you know it's.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Still sitting there after the apocalypse, just going strong.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
That is what you want.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
And then it's dug up by anthropologists in two thousand
years and they go, this is how they live. They
respected furniture back then.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
There's some solid furniture. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call bag very shortly. It
is thirteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
Talk said, be very good afternoon, Juo. It is ten
minutes to three and we're talking about flat pack furniture
on the back of IQ opening today.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Ie, guys, I've been told not to put on voices
of people because I don't know what the Texas voice
is like. Hi, guys, I think you need to do
some homework into flat packs. There's flat packs and then there's
flat packs. So many things come in flat pack, but
they are excellent quality. With regard to IKE, here's a question.
Do you know the percentage of everything they sell is

(01:10:09):
flat pack? I think you'll find they have a huge
number of items and it will be interesting to know
the percentage that flat packed. Did you know that even
New Zealand stores have some of their dining tables are
flat packs?

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
Okay, okay, thank you, well that was a very good
I oppression, very measured.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Please do not mock companies. I'll mock whoever. I like.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
That is from someone who works like here, Yeah, surely, come.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
On, I mean even if they're a high quality, they're
still made out of composite wood products, aren't they. They're
still particle particle board. It's still MDF, isn't it. Yeah,
it's not good, honest would Yeah. And that's that's cut
in the shape required.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
It's no remove, it's no tort it's not going to
stand up to proper wood.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Neil makes a good point. Use power tools to put
flat packs together cuts the assembly time down by fifty percent.

Speaker 5 (01:10:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
I mean often I've ended up having to go to
power tools. Yeah. Yeah, you know, by the end you've
got like a I had a desk for my son
that eventually I just gave up and drilled it together.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
But you can't overdrill if you've you know, you've got
the flat pack and you use a power tool to
try and get those screws in. Sometimes that just destroys
the whole thing. That's fragile.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Brian, welcome with the show.

Speaker 15 (01:11:15):
There, I good agents, How are you very good?

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Thanks for calling your thoughts.

Speaker 11 (01:11:20):
Oh, I hate a flat pack. I hate o't care
and it's a strong word, but it's here to say.
Flat packs have been in the well around in New Zealand.
Now for a long long time, but that they had
a market and consumers. Because I'm in the industry. I'm
in the furniture industry, been in there for thirty thirty
nine years. I'm going to poster buy trade and I've

(01:11:42):
made good furniture for the most for the majority of
my life, and consumers just don't want to pay for it.

Speaker 7 (01:11:48):
Now.

Speaker 15 (01:11:48):
You talk about.

Speaker 11 (01:11:49):
Hardwood furniture, yeah, you're talking calorie, remove, matto whatever. That
stuff's expensive. Let alone the costs of manufacturing and the
design aspect. You can't quite get the design aspect on
some of the stuff that they're doing from where most
of our case goods come from today, which is China
and Vietnam. And the quality of some of that stuff

(01:12:10):
coming in is unbelievable. And yeah, don't get wrong, some
of it's crap. But I think for young people, O
here is going to be massive because it's affordable, it's new,
it's it's yeah, it's new, and that's what young youngsters
like today.

Speaker 7 (01:12:26):
They don't like old.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
Yeah what about I mean, because you mentioned they're the
hard woods, and yet you bang on with the removes
and the tort or et cetera. Can be very expensive.
Because it's beautiful wood, and it's it can be hard
to track down. What about just ordinary wood like pine,
you know, instead of it being particle board or MDF,
just pure good old fashioned pine.

Speaker 11 (01:12:46):
The industry is on its knees in New Zealand. There's
no one actually doing what i would call the design
aspect and pine in New Zealand at an affordable price
they can't afford to. But the industry has said, I've
been through been through it with my father. I've worked
in my father's factory. Their furniture industry from upholstery to

(01:13:07):
case goods was massive here in New Zealand, lots of talent.
Most of that's now offshore. There is hardly any There
is a couple of few good what i'd call furniture
manufacturers left in the industry. And then you've got your
your entry point and the stuff coming in from Asia
is far far better. The good thing about Ikea is
there a global business and they've probably got more credibility

(01:13:30):
than some of your individual stores that are dotted around
that what I would call pop up stores that come
in and disappear quickly, right, because at least you've got
some sort of recourse with the consumer to go back to.
As much as I don't like going through Ikea, I
hate trimming through it. I like to go into a
store and out right and do my business. As you
guys have alluded to you, you've got to walk all

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the way through, which is quite turious.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
They're trying to track you into buying something else. They
get your last Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:13:59):
I'm a typical bloke. I like to walk into a store,
get what I need.

Speaker 13 (01:14:02):
And get out.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
Yeah. But you know, you say that you know there's quality,
quality furniture that you can import from overseas, from China
and the like. How do you know? How can you tell,
you know, jumping online that something's going to be quality
and going to survive.

Speaker 11 (01:14:18):
Don't put Buying online is probably the worst thing you
can do in the world. Furniture like furniture. I came
back from the UK in two thousand and one. I
said to my dad, look, we need to secure a
domain name. And he said to me, what's that all right?
And he said to me, I people are never going
to buy furniture for a website. And I said to mate,

(01:14:40):
I'm telling you, people will do the rounds and then
they will come and see it, touch it, feel it
before they make a decision. If you're buying furniture online,
you're asking for.

Speaker 4 (01:14:49):
Trouble, all right.

Speaker 11 (01:14:51):
You still if you go into a furniture store and
there's something at two ninety nine for what's considered a
beautiful dining table, I'd be concerned at two ninety nine.
If it was nineteen ninety nine, you're probably going to
get a lot of bad product. But two ninety nine
you'd expect to use it in your flat for a year,
would be trusted. And as you said, if you moved
from Wellington to workromd Auckland to Wellington, you throw it

(01:15:13):
in the bin, you get a new one.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
So is there any are there any flat pack manufacturers
that are making generational furniture, something that you could hand
down to your kids. I mean, this sounds like a
ridiculous It sounds so ridiculous to say these things that
were so standard. But is there any flat packs that
are so good? Because a lot of people are coming
through and they're pushing back and saying, look I a
and making good stuff.

Speaker 11 (01:15:38):
Oh look, I'm sure they make some good stuff, and
I'm I mean they source from all over the place, right,
as well as their own factories. Is there any good
I don't know. You said with a company called Criterion
years ago in Eastomach they were massive.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Sorry, Brian, we're gonna we're gonna have to jump into
the news that's coming in like a freight trine. But
let's keep this flat back back lass going after after three.

Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
Oh and undred eighty ten eighty is that number to
call love to hear your thoughts on the old flat
pack discussion. New Sporting Weather on its way afternoon to.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
You your new home are instateful and entertaining talk. It's
Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
Sebby, very good afternoon to you. It is seven past
three and we've been talking about flat pack furniture. Matt
you're on a mission to say no to flat pack furniture.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Yeah, everyone's banging on about these Mount Wellington based meatball
hocking flat packers, beautifully said beautifully. So look I feel
like I'm attacking the Swedes unfairly. And look, you know
I have been doing this since nineteen fifty six. Yep,
you know they've been on the flat pack buzz for
a very very very long time. And look I'm willing
to accept that potentially that their flat packs are better

(01:16:55):
than some of the flat packs. You know, people are
hawking out there, you know, as someone here says, it's
MDFs al right, those with chipboard that look like wheatbecks
are rubbish and disintegrate. It's Steve from christ Church. Yeah, yeah,
the INDIAFA is better.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
Yeah, it's probably And I don't want to cast uspoosions here,
but Kmart love Kmart, but you've probably got to say
they've gone for the old wheat box style rather than
the ike slightly better than wheatbox.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
How many can you eat? How many flat packs can
you eat? Mate? I have my grandparents Cody chest of
drawers which is beautiful and a small remou chest of
drawers I got for two hundred dollars secondhand a few
years ago, beautiful real wood, and it gets better and
better with every year it holds its value. Yeah, so
you could definitely go and find furniture at secondhand stores.

(01:17:44):
It's incredibly well made out of real wood, as one
of our callers was pushing back before, though it might
not be in the exact style you want for your
carefully curated lock of your house, Yes exactly. It might
be more sort of designed for a nineteen seventies house.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
Yeah, well they call it cottage gore now, which is
you know, like people want it to look like kind
of a nineteen fifties cottage, so having it a bit eccentric.
But can you hear from you O eight one hundred
eighty ten eighty Have you said no to flat pack
and you've just gone good old fashion? Key?

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
We would, Hi, guys, I just drove through Mount Wellington,
you muppets, and there's absolutely no traff at all. It's
the quietest I've ever seen it. Sorry, OK, don't know
why we're muppets for that. We bought our leather lounge
suite from Freedom Furniture. The quality is amazing, made in China.
I got Freedom Furniture free plug here to build me
a couch design right. Yeah, you could pack all the

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different details of what you wanted. I wanted a particular color,
particular size, all that kind of stuff and they put
it together.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
No, it was a number of years ago. Still going strong,
that couch nice.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
Yeah, they good people at Freedom, no doubt about it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
I've actually got no idea what it's made of. I
don't know if it's MDA for what. Yeah, but it's
a solid, bloody heavy tell you yeah, just moved it
into a new house.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
Jeez, can we put it out the core? Who can
we find the oldest piece of furniture in New Zealand?
If you've got a piece of furniture in your household there,
let's say sixth generation. Are we old enough as a
country to go six generations? You know?

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
Have you have you read the Stephen King book Salem's Lot?

Speaker 5 (01:19:14):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
Well, anyway, there's bit of furniture being imported from Europe,
some of it with vampire, isn't it?

Speaker 11 (01:19:19):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
One hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
Guys. There's a great New Zealand company called wood Rights
and I have all my furniture from them. It is amazing.
It is amazing Wood Rights furniture, absolutely, but it is expensive.
Hi Matt and Tyler flat pack, laundry cupboard. My qualified
builder son assembled it for me. Nothing fitted or plumbed.
He did his best to make it all level, but
the language he used would curl your ears.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
Oh okay, well, as long as it was put together.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
There's better secondhand stuff on the market and on trade me.
Then you'll find in the flat pack. This person says,
one advantage of MDF is the bora doesn't like it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
Right, that is a massive bat bonus. Do we have
bora in New Zealand? We must do? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Hell yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
So a bora is like a termite, is it?

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
Yeah? We also have dry rot in New Zealand, which
isn't a good thing at Benson, welcome to show you're
you're an Ikea fan.

Speaker 17 (01:20:13):
Good boys, afternoon, good afternoon, Thanks for calling.

Speaker 5 (01:20:18):
No worries.

Speaker 17 (01:20:19):
Look, look, I'm going to jump to the jump to
the jump to the gun. I'm an Ikea fan, but
I've lived into the four countries. I'm keiw here, but
I've lived in four countries that had I care and
I was sort of well bursed and how it works,
and you know, it doesn't just end at flat pack.
It's all the other bits and pieces that. Yeah, people

(01:20:39):
say that you walk through and you see things and stuff.
But I went there on Wednesday, I think it was Wednesday,
with the friends and family. Don't know how I got invited,
but I got invited and went along and it was
sort of like they did a trial test run like
security systems, but you could buy stuff as a normal

(01:21:00):
shopper before the public and there's no difference between that
store and Auckland then there is in Singapore, Japan, Australia, Sydney,
like no difference, if not better. The New Zealand store
was actually nicer and and better laid out the all

(01:21:20):
of the discussions about you know, like hard words and
things like that. I agree, Matt, and I totally agree
Matt with you. Do you still have the same furniture
that you had with when you first got together with
your your partner, original partner, Like you just taste change and.

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
It's a clearly quest their beds you you've got them
on the spot now.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
Well some some to be to be honest, and some yes.

Speaker 17 (01:21:48):
Tastes change and it's like clothing, it's like things come
make their way round and stuff, but in this day
and time, and it's sad, but it is true that
you know, people it's not.

Speaker 5 (01:21:57):
Like the fast fashion stuff. But it makes.

Speaker 17 (01:22:01):
Things more affordable and like I said to your producer
before on the phone, it's like it makes things more
affordable for your class New Zealanders and I think having
the online store as well for the people in Wellington
or Dunedin or wherever they are. You know they're going
to be able to get stuff. And I think it's
going to it's going to shake up people like like

(01:22:22):
companies like the warehouse because that stuff is the week
big stuff. Kmart is the week big stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:22:29):
You know, it's.

Speaker 17 (01:22:30):
Fine for maybe a year and then you move it
around and just before you cut me off.

Speaker 3 (01:22:39):
And we're loving this kid going man.

Speaker 17 (01:22:41):
Okay, all right, all right because you know, so with
just as a funny kind of comparison. So, my wife
and I moved to Australia sixteen years ago and we
moved with just two suitcases. And then we got our
apartment and we went to Ikea and we walked out.
We spent fourteen hundred dollars New Zealand, okay, And we

(01:23:04):
had a TV unit, We had a dining table, chairs,
matt t is, a bed frame, a chest like just everything,
knives and forks, plates, everything, fourteen hundred dollars okay.

Speaker 5 (01:23:15):
And some of that stuff.

Speaker 17 (01:23:17):
Even though our tastes have changed, some of that stuff
we still have. We moved from Australia to Asia that
had I care the same pieces of furniture came with
us because the company paid the same pieces of furniture
came with us because the company paid her. My wife's
company paid for us to get the stuff shipped over

(01:23:37):
and that went into storage and Asia, and we ended
up shipping that stuff back from Asia back to Australia
and then back to New Zealand and then just get
those for a little funny thing. I ended up coming
up because again we got the stuff shipped back to
New Zealand. I ended up taking that those pieces of
furniture which we're out of our style now, and you know,

(01:23:59):
had no, we didn't like them anymore. And I put
them on trade me and tripled the price of people
bidding on them because they wanted those items.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
Wow on seller.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
This was a happy story, Benson. So when you ship them,
did you reflat pack them or did you ship them
made up?

Speaker 5 (01:24:17):
Ship shipped as together? Ship hole?

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
Ship hole?

Speaker 17 (01:24:21):
And can I just one one last little crazy bit.
We have a dining table that's from my care and
it's solid pine and that same dining table we still
have it today and it's fifteen years old and it's
been around the world.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
Oh good on you, Benson. Now do you have a Titan,
because that's something that a few people are pushing back, saying,
if you're if you're flat pack furniture, if it is
MDF and not wheat books as some of them are,
that you need to go in periodically and tighten and
tighten up.

Speaker 17 (01:24:53):
I mean it's pretty broad, to be honest, because it
depends on the item. I mean that table, we took
the legs off when it went in the container, but
that's been from Australia, Asia to Australia to New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (01:25:07):
The legs came off, that's it.

Speaker 17 (01:25:09):
I mean the TV unit.

Speaker 5 (01:25:11):
The TV unit.

Speaker 17 (01:25:11):
Got wrapped up and bubble wrapped and some cardboard and
it's gone around the world and then some someone paid
three times as much the price aland solid.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
Benson, And did you mention that it was when you
were selling it on trade me that this has been
made from a flat pack.

Speaker 5 (01:25:28):
I just said I care TV.

Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
Yeah, wow, yeah, just had an interest. Benson. How did
you get the invite to the opening day? What do
you do it was?

Speaker 5 (01:25:38):
Well, I did state that it was.

Speaker 17 (01:25:40):
I didn't know how I got it, but it was
through a family friend who works in an industry that
that they are they will be a supplier for said company.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
And did you buy anything this time? Because at the
fourteen hundred dollars you spent was in Australia, right, So
did you buy anything in this in this special special
invite to an early early walk through IQ.

Speaker 17 (01:26:03):
Everything was fair game. And I don't know, I've only
kind of jumped in on this just now drive, but
like I bought just sort of stuff, like like what
did I buy? I bought some glasses and glassware. Also
all the glasses we bought fifteen years ago still have
those glasses the yeah, but just sorry, just to paint
a crazy picture about it on that fat friends and

(01:26:26):
family day carts were full, not just little bits and
pieces of people nosing around. Carts were full, and they
like people were just gobsmacked on the prices.

Speaker 11 (01:26:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Well think if you.

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
Call Benson, it's high praise for IKEA.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
There you go, he rates like here, he's transported all
around the world and he's been back for another special
trip already yep.

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
And then he sold it and made money on his
flatback furniture.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
He's painting a pretty picture there.

Speaker 3 (01:26:53):
What do you reckon? I had one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call it. You're a
big fan of Ikea furniture or are you generational furniture
all the way?

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
Yeah? So are you on my flat pack backlash or
you on the Benson flat pack train?

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
It's eighteen past three his talks'd be it's twenty past three.
So Matt is promoting the flat pack back lash to
your agree on the back of I gear opening, I
nailed that. I've been loaths to say because I knew
I was going to screw it up.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
Or are you on the flat pack bandwagon? Are you
part of the FPBL or the FPBW. That's we're asking.
In one hundred and eighty ten eighty you were asking
about the oldest piece of furniture that's out there. Yeah,
I have a piece of furniture made in seventeen fifty,
still working and still in working order. That's from Dave.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
It's older than the country.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
That wasn't a flat pack.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighties and number of
cool Hi guys.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
I have four cheers made from walnut circus seventeen seventy.
The trees were growing well before came to New Zealand
in sixteen seventy nine and no walnut these days. It
moved into mahogany and then into oak walnut as a
classic wood never to be again. I am only the
owner and protector of such a beautiful classic regards ed Well,

(01:28:10):
that's interesting. If a piece of furniture is so old
and important that you just see yourself as the guardian
of it, is it as it travels through your life?
That is? That is pretty cool piece of furniture.

Speaker 3 (01:28:23):
That's a beautiful thing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
I mean, are you getting anything from Ikea that you'll
say that about? I am just a guardian of this
TV cabinet.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
It's lovely wood walnut. I've just looked it up, beautiful coloring, David's.
You're a keen Ikea shopping.

Speaker 13 (01:28:39):
I can be from time to time.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
You're there, yep, sorry, just having.

Speaker 13 (01:28:49):
We bought all our furniture in Brisbane, Australia when we
are there and we moved back here. But for the
best I think better than the furniture. But what are
I found with the We've got this towel covered thing
and we move that over, but when we know all

(01:29:11):
assembled order over from OZ when we moved here and
I found or I found the backing of them was
very suspects and not very good. So it was you know,
you talk about MVS and you talk about particle board,
but the NDF is just as bad as the particle board.

(01:29:33):
And I had to basically rescrew it all back together,
the backing and drew it, threw it all together because
it just wouldn't stay together when we bought it into
our apartment, and so then I had to refit the
doors because they wouldn't fit. So, yeah, it has its upside,
but there's also some downsides to it as well. And

(01:29:55):
I think it was the backing that really hold its
supposed to hold the thing together but didn't, so I
had to basically had to almost rebuild it. Being a
carpenter builder, so it wasn't that. But I tell you
a good one is the chairs. That there's some very
good chairs they make and it takes about three people

(01:30:18):
that listen because they're so well built and heavy, and
so they're excellent.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
Heavy is a good sign of quality.

Speaker 13 (01:30:25):
Dining around chairs, Yeah, very good.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
The furniture is annoying and heavy and horrible to shift.
It's offen the be stuff. Now what David, you say
you're a carpenter. So when you're putting.

Speaker 13 (01:30:36):
Together I'm actually a boat build I've been building for.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
A long time, so you've got the skills. So do
you do you find it easy to put together a
flat pack? Do you find it easy to follow them struct.

Speaker 11 (01:30:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:30:50):
No trouble, easy to put together? Yeah? Good?

Speaker 2 (01:30:54):
Do you do you do you put your own screws
in there of it? Do you just bypass the rules
and throw it together? And do you do you glue
it up in a different way?

Speaker 13 (01:31:03):
Pass bypass the rules sometimes when you needed it's the
back It's the backing that holds the whole thing together.
And if the backing is no good, the doors don't step. Yeah,
got a couple of frame of doors. It's sweet. Sweet, Yeah,
it's good.

Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
Do you still get that same satisfaction when you complete
a flat pack build versus just building something from scratch?
I feel pretty good when I get it together if
it's flat pack. Do you feel that same satisfaction?

Speaker 18 (01:31:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:31:34):
No, Well, sinking both it's not that great. I think
I'd rather build my own. Yes, that's all Right's okay?

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
Yeah, Well, thank you so much for you call David. Hey, guys,
if you use builders glue or PVA glue on the
flat packs. It will stay strong for years. That's from
Wayne and this six says I've still got my IIC
slat bed with bedroom furniture after twenty four years and
contained from UK to the New Zealand and two house
moves in New Zealand, still going strong.

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
It's pretty good. Twenty four years from Louis oh and
under an eighty ten eighty set number to call twenty
five pass three.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
Are you part of the fpb L or the fpb W,
the flat pack backlash or the flat pack Bandwagon? You'd
love to hear from you. One hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on us talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
Afternoon to you twenty eight pass three and we are
talking about flat pack furniture on the back of Ikea
having their grand opening in Auckland today.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
I'm trying to start the flat pack backlash, but I'm
getting a bit of pushback, getting a bit.

Speaker 3 (01:32:42):
Of the Ikea fans are coming through.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
Hi, Mett and Tyler. Listen to some of these callers.
It's funny. People just need to realize when you buy Ikea,
you get Ikea at Ikea prizes. It serves the purpose
it is designed for. You're not buying Chesterfield furniture. That's
from Ellen.

Speaker 3 (01:32:56):
Yeah, it's a very fair point.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
Hey, this is you know how I said to you
Tyler at the start the shot. I want you shoving
a neutral and just coasting down health to Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
I want you fanging up the motorway and fifth gear yep.

Speaker 3 (01:33:08):
Very clear. Yeah, because there's no slacking off.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
There's a lot of slack ZIDB hosts that have already
gone on holiday, no names, and there's a lot of
media people that are clearly just going on holiday already,
just going through the motions.

Speaker 3 (01:33:21):
Yeah, mentally tapped out.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
And so this is why this text concerns me. Hi, guys,
great show is always. I have to say, though, this
must be the most boring show of the year. This
is nearly putting me to sleep while driving. Flat pet
furniture is not interesting. Well, well, look, it can't be
a great show as always if it's it's putting you
to sleep while you're driving.

Speaker 3 (01:33:40):
Start off with a cottle. So that's good.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
Yeah, yeah, that's why I read it. But I gotta say,
we've got to be careful about that, you know, but
interestingly cooler. I've never been more jazzed up about a
stop it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
Yeah, me too. You might think I'm a third year,
but I'm riving this engine hard. One hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:33:59):
I have a set of drawers that is fourth generation
from England, from my great nan who was born in
the late eighteen hundreds, my twenty eight year old with
three kids. Now it will go to I'm twenty eight
with three kids, and now it'll probably go to one
of my kids eventually. Real wood all the way. Our
whole home is full of real wood furniture. My mom
is a wood worker as a hobby and she makes

(01:34:19):
anything we need from real wood. How good. Our kids
will move out with real wood furniture from us. Draws
and bedside tables will move out with them, and anything
else they would need will help them find it. If
they don't want it or move overseas, they can sell
it and pay for the move. It's an investment and
an asset.

Speaker 3 (01:34:37):
Yeah, great techs great key with that person. Well got
the headlines, hold on our tail. When we come back,
we have a chat with Stewart and he's had a
thirty year journey with IKEA thirty years. It's a long relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
Well, you wouldn't say he's on the fb b W,
would you. No, he said he's got on the bandwagon.
He's not bound the Flatpac bandwagon. He's in for life.

Speaker 3 (01:34:56):
Headline's coming up.

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Speaker 3 (01:36:27):
Thank you very much for ey Lean so ikea grand
opening today in Auckland. A lot of people were fizzed
up by it. But we're talking about flat pack furniture.
Is it all just a bit of a have and
we need to go back to genuine, good old generational furniture.

Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
Hi, guys, I bought a handcrafted solid oak bookcase off
trade Me for four hundred dollars. It is nearly seven
feet tall and took four of us to get it
into my TV lounge. It is beautiful, my favorite piece
of furniture. I also have a tall cabinet. That is
Queensland Department of Education standard classroom issue furniture circa eighteen
seventy while that I got in Queensland garat sale for
twenty five dollars. There you go, Thank you, Steve. He's

(01:37:03):
not on the on the fb FP b.

Speaker 3 (01:37:08):
Our the flat pack back latch.

Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
No, the FA No he's no, he's not on the Sorry,
he's not on the flat pack bandwig if b if
if PBW.

Speaker 3 (01:37:17):
Yeah, I'm just writing it down. So I remember, Stuart,
we mentioned you before, but you've hit a thirty year
relationship with Ikea.

Speaker 19 (01:37:25):
Yeah, good afternoon lads. I've had thirty years of buying
and crying over Ikea flat pack. So I thought i'd
give you guys my sage advice for my Kiwi people.

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
I'll tell you what the why. Your accident just makes
me feel like there's going to be some deep wisdom
in what you're about to say, Stuart, So I'm going
to listen untinely.

Speaker 19 (01:37:46):
I've definitely been accused of deep wisdom before. But to
my Kiwi people, first thing I want to advise you
to is to only buy the genuine wood based Ikea products.
Do not buy the particle board or the MDF. I
did hear that. One of the things that you guys
were saying was to try and use your Kiwi ingenuity.

Speaker 13 (01:38:06):
What is that?

Speaker 19 (01:38:07):
A piece of wires something like that and put stuff
back together again. Another piece of advice on buying and
assembling Ikia products is if you ever get to a
moment where you're like, gee, that seems a little too
hard to screw, it is too hard. You have the
wrong screw. So that's my first piece of advice there.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
Yeah, yeah, if it's not working, you're moving in the
wrong duration is what you.

Speaker 19 (01:38:30):
Sign that That is absolutely correct. My second piece of
advice to shop happily at the Kia market is to
always focus on one line of the Kia furniture to buy. So,
for example, I would always buy the KIEVC line ki
v I k QUIEVEC line, and in doing so I
would be able to scan like the Facebook marketplace, the ebays,

(01:38:54):
I could always find people that had had had it
with their Akia furniture. But if you just put in KIEVC,
and let's say you put in KIEVK charcoal, then you
get a whole range of KIEVC charcoal things. Now I'm
not talking about today because it's just open today, but
let's in a year, two years, three years from na,
So focus on one line. The other ones that are
pretty good are poeang is a good one for the chairs.

(01:39:15):
I always had Mom for my storage, and I also
had Hemness for my beds, but mainly Kivk Mom and Hemness.
Does that make sense, lads?

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
So is Kivek? Is it just the cushions, the sort
of fim and polysta stuff or what was Kivet?

Speaker 19 (01:39:32):
So a Kivek is basically it's like the pattern on
the furniture itself, and it's the style of the furniture.
If you buy a Kivek armchair, if you buy a
Kivet couch, if you buy a Qievech love seat, if
you buy uh, you know, quevec book rest, they all
have the same similar styles so you can find those things.
So try and not buy a multiplicity of different styles

(01:39:55):
because that basically never works at all.

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
Tell you what, Stuart, you sounded like you were going
to deliver some deep wisdom and I believe that you
have and I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:40:04):
Yeah, it's going to help a lot of people.

Speaker 19 (01:40:05):
Should absolutely and absolutely good good luck New Zealand people
with thank you. I always get those sales, and good on.

Speaker 3 (01:40:12):
You lads, good on your Stewart. Thank you. What a
beautiful accent. Isn't that like slipping into a barrel of
age whiskey? Just makes you feel at ease, doesn't it.
Oh e one hundred and eighty to eighty's a number to
call if you want to send. It takes nine to
nine to two. We're a bit late here, so we'll
play some messages and we have a chat with Dave
nixt He's a furniture maker, so he's got a lot
to say about the old flat pack furniture.

Speaker 2 (01:40:33):
This six says, what if I told you your real
wood furniture is actually veneered joint wood glued over MDF
Oh no, oh no, right, Okay, I'm gonna go home
and I'm going to drill into that family cabinet I've
had for three generations and check that out.

Speaker 1 (01:40:51):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler
Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:40:59):
They be for a good afternoon. It is eighteen to
four So are you a flat pack bandwagoner or are
you on the flat pack backlashowight undred eighteen eighty Dave,
you make finisher?

Speaker 7 (01:41:13):
Yeah, I've pretty well. I've done it most of my
life professionally as a hobby.

Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
As a hobby as how much.

Speaker 7 (01:41:20):
I've done it as and orders as well.

Speaker 2 (01:41:22):
Right, how much of the finished in your house is
made by you, Dave not.

Speaker 7 (01:41:28):
I've been a builder most of my life, and what
I used to get really changed off is how much
went into jumbo bons of perfectly good timber. So I
sort of nearly got myself in trouble there for a
while because I was thinking so much him and got ridiculous,
and you know, I had to go to work, So
the time of to put aside to make stuff was

(01:41:50):
weekends only, and I ended up with quite a bit
of a vess dumpster.

Speaker 3 (01:41:53):
Diving for wood day.

Speaker 7 (01:41:55):
Yeah damn yeah, but I've made all sorts. One job
that we did, we had vertical weather boards out of cedar,
a beautiful cedar, you know, and the way the boards
came in at six meters long or six point one, well,
there was nineteen hundred off cats of brand new wood

(01:42:17):
or throw told to throw in the jumbo bit and
there was like three hundred of them. There was no
way I could do that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
So what you're saying, you're holding a lot of wood
at your house. Is that what you're saying, Dave?

Speaker 7 (01:42:30):
Oh, yeah, pretty much. Yeah, but I've just shifted lately,
so I've had to actually dump a whole lot of it,
which annoyed me. But I've made hates of stuff out
of the cedar comes up unreal. I've made, you know,
jewelry boxes, to storage boxes, to chess you know, like
camp for chests and big ones, small ones, you name it.

(01:42:52):
I've made also, something, made hats, dresses, of there's nothing
I can't make. I've made walking sticks and made a
guitar just like that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:59):
Have you ever put together any flat pecks?

Speaker 7 (01:43:02):
Yes? And I hate the damn things on your hate line.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
So but your your skill, carpenter. Do you struggle to
the flat pack? Does it annoy you the instructions? Do
you just break away and put it together yourself on
your own and your own path.

Speaker 7 (01:43:20):
It is common sense, but even common sense doesn't work out.
Some of those flat pack instructions, they don't actually explain
what they are. But the guy earlier was saying about
the backing come off, and well, that is a strength
of one of those big cabinets. And a lot of
the time they give you a piece of plastic to
go in the middle of it and you push it

(01:43:40):
together like a t section you to hold the back on,
and that actually holds your cabinet square and plumb and everything.
You know, they come off. They give you these little
nails to naw that too, and your flat peck and
I never last and a minute you pick it up
to move it, that's She's all over.

Speaker 2 (01:44:00):
It all comes down to the back or Dave, good
luck with all the wood piled up at your house. Adriana,
welcome the show you're stoked about. I care you're on
the theb FPBW.

Speaker 18 (01:44:12):
Yes, I certainly am.

Speaker 13 (01:44:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:44:15):
I've lived overseas for thirty years and every country I've
been in has had an ICA. And it's it's not
it's an experience. When you go shopping, honestly, you go
through the showrooms, you see what your house could potentially
look like. You've got these signature linens and like the

(01:44:35):
other gentlemen said, these different lines and stuff that you recognize.
So I'd moved from country to country, and I'd buy
everything from i Caia and then when I leave the country,
I'd give all the stuff away because it's cheap. And
then I moved from England to Egypt. They had an ica,
so I stopped up again on the same stuff and
did the same thing a couple of years later to

(01:44:57):
Malaysia Indonesia, and then I got here and I had
to go to kmart.

Speaker 3 (01:45:02):
Now what dorade two years too late?

Speaker 2 (01:45:06):
Yeah, so you're gonna have You're gonna have found all
that particle board stuff and head out to i Q
and place it.

Speaker 18 (01:45:13):
He's right, that other gingle women's right. You get the
quality woods, you don't get the particle board. But yeah, honestly,
you've got to go to the cafe. You've got to
have the Swedish meat balls. And then you go through
and you see in the showrooms what you want to take.
At the end, you've got a queue for ages at
the end. It's part of the experience. And then you've
got to get your tea lights and your link roller.

Speaker 3 (01:45:35):
The tea lights you need to do. Are they know
one for the tea lights? Are they?

Speaker 10 (01:45:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:45:40):
I don't know what it is, but they'll have the
tea lights and a lint roller. While you're waiting in
the queue and everyone sees You're like, yeah, I might
need those, even if you don't have tea lights at home.
Normally you'd be like, I better get a packet twelve
tea lights.

Speaker 2 (01:45:54):
What about what about the garlic you what about the
garlic clus crusher. We're getting a few people of ike.
Garlic friss is what you want, and the potato peelas
to die for.

Speaker 18 (01:46:06):
Yeah, definitely see signatures. They've got signature products in there
that people will be going in and asking for. You've
got to get your billy bookcase from there. Everybody knows
a billy bookcase around the world, and lucky enough now
New Zealand will be part of that.

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
Oh well, welcome to the party in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:46:25):
Craig.

Speaker 2 (01:46:27):
You're you're starting a business doing flat packs for people
as the correct Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:46:31):
Look, this is something that I've still looked at it
for a little while. I kind of think Ikia brings
it to another level though. I've got to be honest,
I care quality is pretty good. So we've all had
really bad instructions and really really bad Chinese furniture that

(01:46:52):
we're trying to put together and nothing fits, and you
can't even really understand the instruction particularly well. I can't
do it do do it really well. But I do
kind of think that sometimes it's not necessarily about putting
it together yourself. Maybe you should pay somebody to put

(01:47:15):
it together properly, and if something's not working properly, they
can solve it anyhow.

Speaker 2 (01:47:21):
I mean, there's a few people are teaching through that
basically is divorce material. Trying to put together a flat
pack with your partner.

Speaker 3 (01:47:27):
It's a lot of yellow hell, a lot of crying.

Speaker 4 (01:47:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:47:29):
Yeah, So my wife's Chinese, right, so we've got a
few Chinese products. They was pretty much divorced material. Her
trying to explain to me how to put them together
from the Chinese instructions that didn't even remotely resemble the
English instructions. But I've kind of worked at like I

(01:47:53):
come from a construction background, and one of the things
I've worked out Stuart who was talking earlier, it was
really onto it like there's different qualities in what you get.
And there was also the boat builder who spoke about
the backing. Yeah and okay, so one of the things
for everybody that I think is actually a really important

(01:48:15):
part to understand. When you're putting this stuff together, there's
light face down, not not not to look at it
from the front. So when you construct a pack like this,
like a bookcase or something, you put it together and
then the backing plate that goes in is what creates

(01:48:36):
square level square.

Speaker 2 (01:48:38):
Right, would you ever reinforce that, you know, using out
things outside of the what's come in the box?

Speaker 9 (01:48:45):
Yeah, you do need you do need a square. So
if you put it all together and stand it up,
it's probably not going to be square because it wasn't
made to be if you know what I mean, Like
it's they are relying on. If you look at like Kia, right,
a country that's pretty onto it, Yeah, good looking people,

(01:49:10):
they are going to be using levels and squeeze and
things when they put them together. So if you're trying
to put it up in a in a like a
bit of a Kiwi mindset, it it.

Speaker 5 (01:49:22):
Might not be that break down.

Speaker 4 (01:49:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:24):
Yeah, have you started this company or you're thinking about
starting the company? Do you have a name yet?

Speaker 9 (01:49:29):
It's something we've talked about for a little while and
it has raised its head, and I was looking at
a company like six and seven weeks ago there was
advertising for guys to actually start doing this.

Speaker 2 (01:49:43):
Well, well, if you do, we've we've got to go, Craig.
But if you do, ring back and we'll give you
a plug when you get a name and such.

Speaker 3 (01:49:49):
Definitely good on you, Craig right, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty so number of coour We're going to play
some messages though first, and it is nine minutes to
four the.

Speaker 1 (01:49:58):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks, it'd.

Speaker 3 (01:50:06):
Be it is six to For Jimmy, we've got about
sixty seconds. But you've got some top tips for the
old flat.

Speaker 20 (01:50:12):
Pack, so I heard the buddy, look, I'll keep up quick.
Then having teenage kids flat pecks coming pretty handy. Top
tip you spend probably one hundred bucks by in the
furnace to spend another five or ten and buy some glue.
Use the glue on all of the screw bits, the owls,

(01:50:33):
the joins, those plastic fiddly bits, and it'll just reinforce
the whole thing. So a bit of PVA glue from
mind to ten or liquid nails, and yeah, man makes
the whole thing a whole lot stronger.

Speaker 2 (01:50:49):
Yeah, we're getting a few people saying that the speciesis
if you can't put a flat pack together, you're not
a bloke. But Greg also agrees glue. As you go
to get some glue in there, smear it everywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:51:00):
PVA all the way.

Speaker 2 (01:51:01):
Well, thank you so much for all your calls. I'm
still on the flat pack backlash. I mean there's been
a lot of full, full throated support for the flatbacks,
tips around the back, but also so many people whose
marriages have ended trying to put together flat packs. Yes,
appreciate everyone's thoughts, but and look, I love the flat

(01:51:23):
week flatpac bandwagon for you if you're on it, But
I'm still on the flat pack back lash.

Speaker 3 (01:51:28):
Generational furniture real word, where you.

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
Can get it, I say, go secondhand bespoke, generational generational
furniture for the water. All right, how Heather duper c
Ellen is up next. She's definitely not the particle board
of New Zealand Broadcasting, more like a generational piece of
quality bespoke remove forecasting.

Speaker 3 (01:51:46):
That is beautifully said, mate, Tyler, why would I be
playing this song? I got no idea is this Crosby
and Nash.

Speaker 2 (01:51:54):
Crosby, Stills and Nash. You teach your children well, you know,
they may ban social media front of sixteens, but in
the end, the government can't save your kids. You've got
to You've got to save him yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:52:05):
You got to.

Speaker 2 (01:52:05):
You got to teach him well, whatever it is, online, whatever,
every part of life. You have to make your kids
competent for the world they're going into.

Speaker 3 (01:52:12):
In my humble opinion, what a beautiful song as well.

Speaker 2 (01:52:15):
Anyway you've seen Busy said, We'll let you go until
tomorrow afternoon. Give them a taste of Kiwi from.

Speaker 3 (01:52:21):
Tyler and I Love you.

Speaker 9 (01:52:24):
They've won your.

Speaker 2 (01:52:25):
Dream, the one may bit.

Speaker 21 (01:52:35):
Don't you have.

Speaker 15 (01:52:39):
It?

Speaker 12 (01:52:39):
Don't you?

Speaker 21 (01:52:40):
Good guy? So just look at them.

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