Full Show Podcast: 04 November 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you, great New Zealanders, Welcome to Pod two three
five for Tuesday, the fourth of November and Smell and
Cub Day. It doesn't really matter because when you're probably
listening to this, it's already been done and dusted. So
hopefully you're a winner and you've got some money in
the flutter if you got into that sort of thing.
But great show today. We had some good discussion about

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November and mental health. Obviously a massive campaign and a
great cause, November for men's mental and physical health. So
I had some really powerful, pretty follow on stories actually
of people who have come through on the other side,
whether that was with antidepressant drugs, cold showers, exercise, eating,
all of that sort of stuff. So that was a

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great chat. Then we caught up with Robert Dunn, who
is the head of November in New Zealand, so that
was a great chat. Then we did get into fireworks
and we only had about half an hour and five
weeks with boy oh boy did that blow up? Pun
intended on that one. But good show, so download, subscribe
and give us a review and give him a taste
of key we Matt is off this week, by the way,

(01:21):
He'll be back next week. Missing him that he'll be
back soon. Love you.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk said,
be a very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Welcome into the show. So good to have your company.
As always, just a heads up, Matt is off this week.
He will be back next week, So I'll be flying
solo today and tomorrow and Thursday and Friday. But I
hope you're having a great Tuesday so far, Missy, my mate.
But he will be back next week. Got a big
show for you as always. After three o'clock, I want

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to have a chat about stagdoo's and hens dos. I
am attending a wedding in christ Church and Jen of
some good friends of ours and a couple of other mates.
They'll be named as groomsmen and it's their job, obviously
to sort out the stag do and I've got to
say they're a bit stressed. They're up here on the
long weekend and that was the weekend to start to

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put some plans in place, but as of yet they're
still trying to figure it all out because there's a
lot to sort out where it's going to be, to
make it as easy as possible for those around the
country to be able to come. What are we going
to do? How much do you listen to the grooms requests?
And the same thing on the hens do side of things,
of course, So after three o'clock, I kind of want
to just farm this out to you guys to help

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us all out. The window is fast closing for the
stag too, for this particular wedding, so I want to
hear about the best stag in Hen's do's you've been to,
how close to the wedding it should be, the dos
and don'ts. I want to hear it all that is
after three o'clock. After two o'clock. Antidepressant use in New
Zealand has absolutely surged over the past two decades. That

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won't be a surprise to many people. Nearly won in
seven adults are now taking medication for depression or anxiety SSRIs,
or selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors. They are one of the
main medicines that are often a first point of call
when you go see your GP and say I'm dealing
with some anxiety. They were once hailed as a breakthrough.

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They were marketed as drugs that fix chemical imbalances, and
they promised a simple solution for what can be pretty
complex mental health problems. But science is catching up and
the way SSRIs actually work turns out as far more complicated.
So they don't just raise serotonin. They do do that,
but that's not all they do. They can also how

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the brain processes emotions, change neural circuits, and in some
cases also reshape brain regions over time. Now, for some
or for many, clearly these drugs are absolute life savers,
no doubt about it. But for others they can dull emotions,
trigger side effects, or leave people struggling when trying to
come off them. So I want to have a chat

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to you on that after two o'clock these SSR rise
Have they worked for you if you were prescribed SSR rise,
did they lessen anxiety? Did it help you get on
more of a sure footing mentally? Or if they did
not work out for you, what did love to hear
how you got yourself back to a better place? And

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being November it is a great time to have this chat.
Of course, that is after two o'clock, but right now,
let's have a chat about the building and construction sector.
There might finally be some good news for that critical industry,
with residential building consents on the rise over the year
to September, new home consents are up three point six
percent compared with last year, and September a loan for

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a seven point three percent increase once you factor in
seasonal adjustments. So Certified Builder's chief executive Malcolm Fleming, he
was on with Mike Hoskin this morning and he said
that builders are clearly welcoming this trend.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
For seeing a trend which most welcome news. We're seen
on the ground as well. I'm hearing from members that
are starting against greater levels of inquiry projects that have
been sitting on the back burnef for a little while.
We're starting to come to the fort.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
Is it all Queenstown on Auckland or is it spread
more widely?

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Notice spread more widely than that. And we're sort of
focusing here on the new home consents, but elsewhere in
the market. We had some welcome news from the government
about six weeks ago. We had the schoolworks projects, so
ready to go, and then the following day we had
six hundred remainis with the defense housing. So all we
again we welcome news.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
That's what we call a pipeline, isn't it, Malcolm?

Speaker 3 (05:43):
We needed a pipeline. The pipeline was blocked and we've
had some unblockage along with this new house and consent work.
It's coming through, all the consenting or other it's coming through,
and of course I see our drops as well. It's
all starting to amalgamate to the positive picture.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
And you think it's tangible, it's real, and it will
flow into next year.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
I think we're going to see in twenty twenty seven,
were gore starting to see that list that we've been
looking for for quite some time and we couldn't put
this covery off any on.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
So that sounds incredibly positive, doesn't it. But what are
you seeing out there? If you're in the trade industry,
love to hear from you on O eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is this early signs of growth and a
key industry that touches so many parts of the economy.
Is that what you're seeing on the ground. If you
run a small business, are you seeing more work come through,
and is that phone starting to ring a bit more

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with people seeking your services? From what I've heard, there
are some homeowners who are finally planning those renovations that
they'll put off for some time, getting the deck ready
for summer, tackling some of those smaller renovation projects. That
is a promising sign. But that's just anecdotally. So if
you're currently in the trade, what are you actually seeing.
Are you in a place maybe where you can start

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actually employing more guys? Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call and on the building consents itself,
if you've gone through the process of building a home
or you're currently through that process, what was it like?

Speaker 5 (07:03):
There?

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Clearly is a big difference between the regions. As Mike mentioned,
there is this queens down in Auckland, and Malcolm said
it's across the board. But I think you can safely
say christ Church has been humming for some time and
Auckland was lagging a little bit. But hopefully that is
starting to turn around. So keen to hear from you.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty, are you starting to
see these so called green shoots in the construction industry,

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and is this a good sign looking forward to next year?
Let's get into it. Nine two ninety two is the
text number or a flood of texts coming through, So
we'll get to some of those very shortly. It is
twelve past one. Back in a mow.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons US talks.

Speaker 6 (07:49):
That'd be.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Very good afternoon to you. So we're talking about the
construction sector and it seems like there are some positive
movements underway in terms of a pickup annual new home consent,
they rose by three point six percent in the year
to September. For September alone, consents increase seven point three
percent when adjusted for seasonal effects, and broader data show
that in the year to June twenty twenty five, there

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worth thirty three nine hundred and seventy nine almost thirty
four thousand new homes consented. That's up one percent on
the prior year. And multi unit homes they have been
slightly weaker in that same period they felt three point
two percent. But regionally, there seems to be some big differences.
Places like a Targo. They are bucking the national trend,

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as you can imagine, with strong growth, while others, like
some major North Island centers continue to lag Auckland was
one of those. But if you're in the trade, what
are you seeing out there? Is there still a massive
issue when it comes to the cost of materials? Are
you still seeing your clients just holding back on some
of those bigger projects. Really keen to have a chat
with you on oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty texts

(08:56):
coming through on nine two, nine to two as well,
This one from Nathan in terms of are you seeing
more jobs and are you seeing the phone ring more often?
Pretty simple from Nathan. No, no, I'm not seeing that
at the moment. This one says get a tyler. I
work for New Zealand's largest construction company. We just had
redundancy discussions. Then thankfully they have been canceled as work

(09:20):
has now picked back up. And this one tyler, I
am a tyler. I'm absolutely tapped out. I lost one
guy to Ozzie, so I'm seven days a week far
out with my other guy, desperate to find a couple
of tylers. So is that the situation you're facing out
there are you absolutely slammed and you actually need to

(09:41):
find some more guys to take on who have got
the skills to help you out. Oh wait, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Thirty
three almost thirty four thousand new homes in the year
to June twenty twenty five, up one percent. That seems significant.
And you've got to say, with the falling interest rates,
where the people And this is just conversations I've had

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with friends and family, it seems they are now as
the weather is getting a bit warmer and we're getting
closer to summer, we're now starting to line up some
of those renovations. So if that's you, and if you've
recently gone through a home build, how was the process?
Really can have a chat with you on eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. I mean Certified Builders CEO Malcolm Fleming,
as you can imagine, he spoke with Mike this morning

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and he said that for builders across the country it's
a massive positive sign. This is a critical industry, as
we all know. When construction starts to fall off, there's
so many parts of the economy that suffer as well.
But he does say builders are welcoming more inquiries and
seeing work coming through after a pretty tough period as
we know over the last couple of years. But he
did offer some caution that while this trend is encouraging,

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it doesn't necessarily mean the sector is back to boom mode.
Yet some say that many homeowners are choosing that renovation
work over that new build. Many trades doing upgrades may
see earlier signs of that activity. So can you hear
from you if you're in the trade, whether that's building, plumbing,
if you're a spark, how is we're going at the moment?

(11:11):
Are you seeing that uptick on the ground where you are?
Get on the phone O eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty and if you prefer to see the text,
you're more than welcome some texts of flooding through at
the moment nine two ninety two? Is that number back
very shortly? Keen on your views though it is nineteen
past one. Great to have your company.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the make asking breakfast.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
Are we in summer? Are there shoots all around us?
Is the light at the end of the tub? Or
have we arrived on the promised land.

Speaker 7 (11:39):
So shooting.

Speaker 8 (11:40):
The trend is very, very favorable, Mike. I think the
fact that consumer confidence is raising. It's evidenced by the
fact that consumers are confident.

Speaker 7 (11:47):
Now to go out and borrow money to buy goods.

Speaker 8 (11:49):
We've seen a growing trend as far as it's concerned,
and also the fact that consumer areas are falling in
a layer. I think of the sign that households continue
to manage their budgets through very respectively.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
Some people text me every time these numbers come out
and go credit demand is not good. That's a sign
that people aren't coping and they need more money. Is
that true or not?

Speaker 8 (12:05):
No, I don't think it is.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
Back tomorrow at six am, Costing Breakfast with Maybe's Real
Estate News Talk z B.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Very good afternoon to you. So we're talking about the
new home consents rising by three point six in the
year to September, and for September alone, consents increased seven
point three percent when adjusted for seasonal effects. So certified
Bill to CEO Malcolm Fleming had described the upward trend
to Mike Costking and those consents as a positive sign.
But we're asking what are you see on the ground

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if you're in the trade or construction center. A man
who knows a lot about this is Peter wolf Camp.
He's our resident builder here on news talks. There b
get a Peter greetings, greetings, nice to chat as always. So,
judging by some of the texts that we're seeing coming
through or ready, Peter, I think maybe this positivity is
somewhat overplayed. There's a lot of techs coming through to

(12:55):
say that, yeah, we might see an extra job or
so every couple of weeks, but on the whole it
still feels pretty tough out there.

Speaker 9 (13:03):
Yeah, there's all sorts of metrics for this, right. So
let's say when things were boot you had twenty guys
working for you and you had three months of work,
and today you've got ten guys and you've got three
months of work. You're actually doing less work. And there's
lots of companies that have scaled back. So that's another
measure of, you know, how confident people are feeling, or

(13:26):
how much work.

Speaker 6 (13:26):
They've got ahead of them.

Speaker 9 (13:28):
You know, if you've got twenty guys and you go,
I got six months work, well that's great. But if
you go down to five guys and you've got six
months work, well, you're not going to do as much work.
So and what happens to those people that have dropped out,
and this is you know, in two years time, when
you're in there and go Charake, things are going great
and there's no tradees out there, think about this conversation,

(13:50):
because this is what always happens in our sector. Boom
and bust, people shed the industry, and then in a
couple of years time we'll all be going where are they?

Speaker 10 (13:58):
Where are they? We don't have a US.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Trading spot on And just on that point, Peter, when
this hopefully this positive trend continues and that more work
comes in and trade and business owners need more operators
and skilled operators that might be a tough ass to
find them in the market.

Speaker 9 (14:16):
Yeah, And there's two things there. One is there's experience
trades people who know that there are opportunities in other
industries or overseas. And then there are the apprentices that
inevitably are kind of a casualty of the recession. So
if you've got a couple of apprentices and times get tough,
many businesses they'd like to keep them, but they find

(14:38):
that they just can't, and so they let them go.
And some of those people, perhaps that's enough to go.
You know, is this what my life is going to
be like? I'm going to be busy for a while,
then I'm going to be quiet, then I'm going to
be busy. I think I'll look for a different type
of occupation. Terribly sad because we will need those people
and they're not too distant future.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Are they also facing the challenges we heard of a
year or two ago, Peter, When it's the cost of
materials obviously a big one, there is that still part
of of the overall challenges that people in the trades
are facing.

Speaker 9 (15:12):
I think it's fair to say that building costs have
come back a bit. Whether they'll go back to levels
of four or five years ago, I don't think you'll
see that. But certainly the fact that supply chains are
being re established, that local manufacturers can continue to produce
without their factories being shut down those sorts of things

(15:32):
has meant that in general you can get what you
want when you need it, But costs are probably still
up a little bit. And then other pressures, cost of
living pressures and so on that we experience at home
businesses are experienced in that as well. Now if you're
running a factory and you're paying power and that doubles
and price for arguments fake, then that's going to come

(15:53):
through to your product at the end of the day.

Speaker 10 (15:55):
So yeah, we're not immen to that.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Noting some of the analysis and the story, Peter and
they made mention that a lot of people they might
have been planning a full house bill, but they'll put
that on the back burner and instead of looking at
smaller renovations on their existing property. That clearly has an
impact for builders, right, that whole pipeline of work. If
it's something small as a renovation that might only be

(16:18):
a couple of days or a week versus a full build,
then that means that they've got a farm for more
of those types of jobs to keep things going right,
and it gets.

Speaker 9 (16:27):
Tough for let's say small to medium sized businesses. So
let's say there's you and you've got five, six, ten guys. Right,
if you can put them onto a job and know
that they're there for eight months, that's great. If what
you're doing is every three to four days you need
to have the next job lined up, that's a lot
more work, right, It's a lot more work and it's

(16:48):
probably not really as profitable, but workers work. The other
thing that we I think the other there's a couple
of other major contributors.

Speaker 10 (16:57):
One is.

Speaker 9 (16:59):
As much as they might have needed to changes to KO,
I'm not sure that the government truspcial in particular, could
kind of comprehended what impact just cutting them off at
the knees was going to have. So you talk to
any large ish sized building firm and the fact that
all that work just stopped has had a massive impact
on them. And then the other people who really aren't

(17:23):
in the market are the developers, and in Auckland in particular,
that's just because there's so much surplar stock. You know,
when we got fifty thousand contents here, we were producing
somewhere near that number, and then they don't sell. Those
houses are still sitting there, So you're not going to
see the development market I don't think come back until

(17:44):
in Auckland anyway, that stops Gone Cross. That's completely his
opposite contents going game Busters, buildings going game Duster's tremendous demand.

Speaker 6 (17:52):
So you know, the other thing is this isn't all.

Speaker 9 (17:54):
Across the country, right, Some regions are actually to him,
really really.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Well, fascinating as always better. So the bottom line here
is there is some improvement, but it's going slowly.

Speaker 10 (18:05):
Yeah, and we're.

Speaker 9 (18:06):
Coming off a feely low base. But do it take
any sign of encouragement, any any uptick and activity and sentiment,
and lets embrace that because it has been a while
and it's been pretty grim and there's a lot of
people who aren't in business today that have been in
business for a long time and that's terribly sad.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, nicely said Peter. Always good to chat. Thank you
very much for joining us, have a great afternoon. That
is Peter wolf Camp, resident builder. So you heard his
thoughts and can you get yours? Do you agree with
Peter that it is slow there is some improvement, but
it's still incredibly tough out there for a lot of
people in the trades. And if you're having to rely
on those small jobs like renovations rather than full home

(18:47):
builds or developments that did stall in places like Auckland,
that is incredibly tough. So can you get your thoughts
on this? Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty, what
are your experiences on the ground? Is it as positive
as the CEO of the builders Federation says or is
there some way to go? Nine two ninety two is
that text number? It is twenty eight past one. Headlines

(19:08):
with railing coming.

Speaker 11 (19:09):
Up uth talks that be headlines with blue bubble taxis
it's no trouble with a blue bubble. The Police Minister
expects breath tests falsified by one hundred and twenty officers
over about fourteen months to this September to be dealt
with quickly and seriously. A scrub fire in Canterbury's Starfield

(19:30):
has claimed three structures near Old West Road and Bleak
House Roads, reportedly starting near a Whiteware recycling workshop. The
Office of the Inspectorate has identified concerns over safety, security
and integrity at Hawkes Bay Regional Prison, with contraband like
cell phones and drugs widely available. It also found many positives,

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including the range of constructive activities and cultural programs. Meanwhile,
there are hopes of program helping incarcerated Auckland mothers record
stories for their children outside can expand to christ Church.
Fargarda's famous line parks US seven elderly big cats are
being euthanized this week with no other option. Now the

(20:14):
site is up for sale. Mart Monganui based drone maker
expands to Australia with defense drone production plan.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
You can find out more at Incid Herald Premium.

Speaker 11 (20:24):
Now back to Matteith and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Thank you very much. Raylan, and we've been talking about
the so called greenshoots in the construction center. Consents in
the year to September up three point six percent in
residential building. But judging by the text we've got coming through,
that is not what a lot of people are seen
on the ground. If you're in the construction industry. A
couple of texts here, get a Tyler. We run a

(20:48):
big outfit with fifty plus staff. It's still a race
to the bottom. Securing work is near impossible. Tendering for
over forty projects with everyone saying the same things that
no work until late next year. Late next year have
caused every day from multiple guys chasing work. No good
survived to twenty thirty five at this rate. And this

(21:11):
one get a title of the government scraps several huge
KO projects totally in thousands of apartments in Auckland that
was about to start. These projects already had millions of
dollars spent on design and consents, which is your money
down the drain, not to mention thousands of tradees out
of work and much less housing. That's from Bill and

(21:34):
this one industrial electrician in Napier. Here our company is
expanding and not fast enough. Plans for new building going
ahead and new staff trickling in big international contract. Can't
say more, but things going pretty well in Napier, so fascinating.
I mean, it seems that Auckland there is a long
way to go. But in other parts of the country
christ Church, Napier, it turns out of Tago things starting

(21:56):
to look up. So we'll follow that one very closely,
but not quite as positive as it was originally talented.
Some room to go there, but thank you very much
for all your tech and phone calls on that one.
Let's get to this story. This will be a fascinating chat.
So antidepressant use in New Zealand has climbed significantly over
the last twenty years. Today, nearly one in seven adults

(22:18):
is taking medication for depression or anxiety or OCD. So
one of the most common types are called SSRI. So
that antidepressant medicines or selective serotonin re uptake inhibitors, and
quite often if you've been having some issues with anxiety
or fatigue or burnout and you run through a test

(22:38):
with your GP, this is often the first point to
call that they offer as a potential to try and
get you back to some form of mental balance. So
they are marketed as drugs that correct chemical imbalances. They've
been around since the eighties, but research is starting to
show that the story isn't quite as simple as they
once thought with these SSRIs. So they don't just boost serotonin.

(23:02):
They do do that, but they also influence how the
brain processes emotions. They reshape neural SSA circuits and in
some cases even old brain regions over time. So clearly,
for many people these types of medications, the likes of
SSRIs and other antidepressants absolute life saving, no doubt about it.

(23:22):
But for others they can blunt emotions, bring a whole
bunch of side effects, will make it difficult to come
off them if you decide to do so. So that's
the chat I want to have right now. There's a
great article in the New Zealand Herald about antidepressants and
ssrrise and that growing science around how they actually work.

(23:43):
But what has your experience been when you've been on
this type of medication. There's someone very close to me
and my family who has been on SSRIs for the
last four years, and it's been an absolute game changer
for her, no doubt about it. She says it time
and time again. Almost well, pretty much saved your life.

(24:05):
But for others in the family who have been on
them gone the other way, it's actually made things a
lot worse and they had to look at other things
to try and get them back to some saw some
form of normality. And clearly, for a lot of people
who are going through some pretty tough mental anguish, this
is one tool that can be incredibly helpful. But for

(24:27):
others who are facing some anxiety issues for example, or
maybe about a depression, then there can be a whole
raft of other things they can look to try to
get them back interbalance. So keen to hear your experiences. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty, how have you gone when

(24:47):
you've been prescribed these SSR rights? Have there been an
absolute game change for you? Combined with some other lifestyle changes,
Because for a lot of people, I think those lifestyle
changes can play a massive part, whether that is exercising
on a more regular basis, eating a bit better, trying
to socialize more if you can that. I mean it's
a harder ask for some people than it is for others.

(25:11):
But really keen to have a chat with you, Oh
ad one hundred eighty ten eighty. How did you go
when prescribe these medicines? And if you had to or
decided to come off them, how was that? Was it
a bit of a long process to start to wean
yourself off these particular medications? And what else did you
try to try and increase that mental health to boost
your own mental health? Oh eight, one hundred eighty ten

(25:34):
eighty is that number to call? If you prefer to
send a text, absolutely you can do that anomymously nine
two ninety two is that number? Or if you want
to send me an email, My email is Tyler at
newstalkzb dot co dot nz. Antidepressants, how have they worked
for you? And if you've had to come off them?
Are really keen to hear what happened? Then it is

(25:54):
twenty two to two back very shortly with more of
your calls. You're listening to Tyler Adams. Hope you having
a great afternoon.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
They'd be good afternoon to you. So we are talking
about antidepressants, and there's a particular type of antidepressant called
sesrerise and that stands for selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, but
effectively it is for many New Zealanders, one in seven
of us are taking antidepressant medication for anxiety and depression.

(26:29):
But it can be a first point of call when
you go to your GP if you are suffering a
form of anxiety or depression. That is often after some testing,
the other first thing that is prescribed is a way
to try and treat it. But more evidence is emerging
that it can be absolutely life saving for a lot
of people out there, no doubt about it. But for
many others it can not work at all or it

(26:52):
can have some pretty serious side effects. So really can
to have a chat with you if you have been
prescribed some of these medications, how did that go for you?
And if you had to wean yourself off that can
be tricky as well for a lot of people. If
it hasn't been working and you need to win yourself off.
What was that experience it's like? And if this did,
it wasn't the answer for you. What did you find
was the answer to try and boost your own mental

(27:14):
health or get yourself out of that particular funk or anxiety.
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call Mary? Very good afternoon to.

Speaker 7 (27:23):
You, good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
So you were prescribed these SSRIs, Is that right?

Speaker 12 (27:32):
Yes?

Speaker 13 (27:32):
And I can't remember the specific name of it, but
I had an adverse reaction to it and I was
put on it for a major depressive disorder at APSD,
and as a result of having an adverse reaction, I
was then admitted to a mental health unit for a month.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Oh man, And what I want to say.

Speaker 13 (27:59):
Is that I'm on no medication at all now. It
was quite a process. And my advice to anyone as
that might be listening to this is to make sure
that you have got a really good support person with
you when you are given medication, and that you find

(28:21):
out what the potential side effects are so that you
can monitor. And I've found the best thing for me
as daily exercise.

Speaker 14 (28:32):
The thing well.

Speaker 13 (28:35):
A good talk therapist, and that there are other talks
out there that aren't medication that can work really well.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Just on the on the therapist element there, Mary, what
was it that you found so beneficial was chatting to
a theorist a therapist on a regular basis.

Speaker 13 (28:58):
Basically it was, I guess, clearing my head and getting
my thoughts in order, and as a professional who'd been
the mental health space for a long time, they were
able to do that with me.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
And just going back to that adverse, adverse effect that
you had from that medication. So what did that look like?
If you don't mind me asking, Mary, Clearly that led
to you having to be admitted to the mental health unit.
I take it it caused the mental health issues you're

(29:36):
going through to become a lot worse.

Speaker 13 (29:40):
It was almost the opposite of what I've been going through.
So they ended up saying that I was bipolar, and
then I pushed back against that and I said, how
could I have done what I've done over my life
and been bipolar? And then I take this medication and

(30:01):
everything changes for me.

Speaker 15 (30:03):
So, and what I would say is.

Speaker 6 (30:06):
Over the.

Speaker 13 (30:09):
Time being in the cup.

Speaker 6 (30:12):
A psychiatrist, there.

Speaker 13 (30:13):
Wasn't a continuity and so all up it would have
been thirteen different psychiatrists and thirteen different opinions.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
And is that still exist out there in New Zealand
at the moment? Mary, if you do face these mental struggles,
do you find that supporters is easily accessible or is
it still quite tough to access it? Do you think
for a lot of people.

Speaker 13 (30:41):
My first offer of support was via the crisis team
by a hospital and they were magnificent and I was
referred on to be a psychiatrist and he was really
good and he prescribed me what he thought that I
was one of those people that unfortunately had an adverse.

Speaker 16 (30:59):
Reaction to it.

Speaker 13 (31:01):
And that's where I think it's really important that you
have got support people. And so I think it's really
important that people talk about mental health absolutely.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
And how are you doing now, Mary, Well.

Speaker 13 (31:17):
Ironically, I'm on my way to see my talk therapist
and I'm doing really well. And the other thing that
has happened for me recently is I heard a talk
by John Kerwin and that was brilliant.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
He's an incredible guy, Sir John Corwin. Absolutely What did
he say during that that talk that resonated with you?

Speaker 10 (31:40):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (31:40):
A lot?

Speaker 13 (31:41):
But he talked about bolter Monkey going in his head
and that sometimes Bob just needs a banana and just
sit there and need a banana. And that's something that
I just remember specifically from his chat.

Speaker 6 (31:54):
But it was his openness, his honesty.

Speaker 13 (32:00):
It was brilliant.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
That chimp brain is something I've heard of from Mary
and and and that's resonated with me as well. That
little uh, that little chimp on the the side of
your brain, that that is saying all sorts of weird
things and he's got to remember that, hey, that's that's
just the jim part of your brain and you know
it's not reality, and it's Yeah, I think it certainly
helped me in some elements and it's clearly you know,

(32:22):
something that John Kerwin preaches as well, which is awesome.

Speaker 17 (32:26):
Yes.

Speaker 13 (32:26):
And also the other thing that he talked about was
that he is an active relaxer. You know that meditation,
which comes up a lot, doesn't work for him. And
that absolutely resonated was for me.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Yeah, Mary, thank you so much for giving me a call,
and fantastic to hear that you're doing well now and
a lot of things there hopefully if you're listening and
you're going through some tough times. Some things to consider
which helped with Mary keen to get your stories on
this I e. One hundred and eighty ten eighty. Whether
it is talk therapy or whether it is like Mary

(33:03):
she had a combination of talk therapy, exercise, eating better.
What was it that that helped you get out of
some bad mental anxiety or anguish oh eight one hundred
eighty ten eighty. And clearly, look, there's a lot of
texts coming through about the SSRIs. Clearly they are a
lifesaver for a lot of people. And I mentioned before
there's someone very close to me and have been a

(33:24):
lifesaver for her. But they don't work the same for
everybody who is facing some mental challenges. And that's the
point of this discussion is that if you have been
prescribed these and they didn't quite work, what did help
you to get back to some mental balance or increasing

(33:45):
that mental health. This is a text here from a
pharmacy technician, Hi Tyler. SSRIs definitely have a place in
our health system and they save lives. I believe gps
don't discuss the long term effects enough and pushing other
options such as behavioral therapy counseling, exercise and diet, healthy
gut microflora can increase serotonin. Often young women are put

(34:06):
on SSRIs and their teens early twenties and find it
hard to come off. Then in pregnancy. For the most parts,
some are safe, but they can cause negative effects such
as low birth weight and withdrawal effects in babies as well.
And this one here shout out to my forty two
year old mate, Chris, who is two weeks into his
antidepressant meds. He loves a drink more than the average boat.

(34:29):
I bloke to cope with mental health challenges, but is
taking this step to be a better husband and father.
Proud of you, mate, and love you. That is a
great text. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It is
November right now, which is all about men's health, both
mental and physicals. So it's a good time to have
a chat about this. If you are or have gone
through some mental health challenges. What worked for you and

(34:50):
what was the support out there? What did it look like?
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
Got a place of messages. But when we come back,
we have a chat with Ben and he wants to
chat about his experiences with mental health. It is eleven
to two.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Mattith Tyler Adams taking your calls on Oh eight hundred,
it's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
News talks, very good afternoons you. It is eight to two,
so it is November this month. We are talking about
mental health but also antidepressant drunks are drugs the likes
of ssrrise and for many people they saved their lives,
no doubt about it, but there is a growing body
of research that it doesn't work the same for everybody,

(35:32):
and so keen to have a chat with what actually
worked for you? If you had some mental health challenges
and you went to your GP, if you'll prescribe these medications,
did they work for you? Did they save your life?
Will get you back to some mental balance? And if
they didn't, then what did work for you? Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call,
love to hear your experiences, get a benl I'm good mates,

(35:57):
and so what worked for you?

Speaker 16 (35:59):
Yeah, so definitely it took a couple of goes to
get the correct medication, but I highly recommend getting the
medication if you're in a state that you need it.
I think the along here put it off, the worse

(36:20):
it get. So that's a very good thing. Then you're
actually talking about on the radio, it's brilliant.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yes, No, what good on you Ben for for bringing
up with your experience. So was that I imagine you
know I'm generalizing here, but I think for a lot
of fellers and look for women out there listening as well,
absolutely keen to hear from you and your experiences. But
you know there's that not taboo, but it can be
harder for fellers to take their first step right and

(36:48):
maybe if it is chatting to your GP and saying, hey,
look of I'm going through some form of anxiety and
I don't really understand what it is and what the
next steps are, that can be quite a big step.

Speaker 13 (37:00):
Right.

Speaker 16 (37:01):
Yeah, it's very to allow. It's a very hard thing
to put your finger on exactly what the what is
causing the stresses? The thing they did well that that's
what they are, which helped me calling calling them a
whole bunch of stresses. So getting a piece of paper
and just listing them out come to me and then

(37:23):
just whatever whatever the one thing that keeps popping in
and try and not mix your thoughts. It was a
good thing that the doctor helped me out with. And
then cold showers and saunas, mate, Yeah, they absolutely work, wonders. Obviously,
they can do a combination of medication. Get up, have

(37:46):
a sauna or a cold shower. Me the one. And yeah,
if you listen out those those things that are concerning you,
you can just slowly to day. You know, they do
get brighter. So there is I like to encourage every
young man or young woman out there going through it
that hey, you don't have to beaten beaten by you

(38:11):
can beat it. So's it's definitely something that we we
can go on the tech attack the other way, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
It's a great message being and thank you very much
for bringing up. And there'll be a lot of people
listening who may be right on that precipice right now
and thinking I don't really know what's going on on
in my head and clearly I need I need some
help here, So good on you for saying that. Man,
I mean, the cold shower I can see, you know,
and I know there's a lot of science behind it
and resetting the brain and resetting the nervous system, which

(38:42):
is a great thing. Honesty call though, was that a
hard thing to push through to get used to?

Speaker 6 (38:48):
Yeah, well, I'm.

Speaker 16 (38:49):
Going back to any your previous previous callers. I read
that in a J. John Cowan book and when he
was going through his tough times and whatever, cold shower
rins and repeat.

Speaker 14 (39:03):
Yeah, yeah, that's key.

Speaker 16 (39:05):
And this was years ago, you know, because you're not
not thinking a lot else when you're under that cold,
because you're all you want to do is get out.
That's a good reset.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
I just say that, man, because I tried that, Ben,
and I absolutely back the you know the science behind
it and what are the changes it does to a
lot of people. But it's hard, yacka, it's real hard. Yeah,
going to put that chower on cold, that's what it's.

Speaker 16 (39:29):
That's what it's why it works because it's hard, ye
you know, Yeah, that's just about breaking the loop is
another thing which really helped me. So if you can
imagine a thought pattern, it just as an analog clock
you and you don't you want to break out side
of that that loop and go on a new journey,
if you know what I mean. You don't want to

(39:50):
keep turning around around.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yeah, Ben, thank you very much mate for giving me
a buzz. Great messages there and good on you and
glad you're in a good play. So one hundred and
eighty ten eighty we've got full boards at the moment.
They're going to keep this going. But love to hear
your thoughts Movember. What worked for you when it came
to your mental health?

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Talking with you all afternoon, It's Matt Heath and Taylor
Adams Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Evy, very good afternoon, cheer, welcome back into the program.
It is seven past two. Really good of your company
is always and we are chatting loosely about Movember, which
is about men's mental health, men's physical health, but more
broadly we are talking about what worked for you when
facing your own mental health challenges. Is on the back

(40:35):
of new research when it comes to antidepressant drugs such
as SSRIs, and there's no doubt about it, those medications
save lives, absolutely they do for a lot of people,
but there is more research that clearly they don't work
the same as as they do for people that it
is successful for for some people. Those types of medications

(40:56):
can unfortunately make symptoms worse and there can be a
bit of an issue with coming off them. So really
keen to get your experiences on that. And if you're
a doctor or GP listening out there, really your views
on I eight hundred eighty ten eighty, or a pharmacist
for that matter, in terms of these sort of medications.
Clearly it is one tool in a tool set that

(41:18):
people who are facing some mental challenges can utilize, along
with the likes of as we had called to say before, therapy, exercise,
cold showers, saunas, eating better. But really keen to hear
from you I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty on
your experiences November. It's a good time to have a
chat about this. But let's go back to the phones. Mark,
how are you this afternoon? Yeah, I'm good, Thanks, dol

(41:40):
keen to hear your story.

Speaker 10 (41:42):
Yeah, so I'm in my early fifties now. I was
sort of diagnosed back.

Speaker 15 (41:47):
In my mid twenties with depression. Probably turns out in
hindsight it's probably more anxiety than depression. But you know,
sometimes particularly on those things were somewhat crossover. I guess
you would say many of ours on SSRIs for twenty
twenty odd years and still a large effect.

Speaker 10 (42:05):
They work pretty well, able to function.

Speaker 15 (42:09):
I was sort of performing as a sporting coach at
a pretty high level, so there's a little bit of
pressure and stuff, but I was, I was, I was
doing pretty well anyway. For some reason, I don't know
what the catalyst was, they stopped working to the point
where I tried all of them. I crashed pretty hard.
I embarrassingly is the wrong word, but honestly started self

(42:29):
harming because I needed to get away from that feeling.
And I decided one day, I said I've had enough.
I've got to stop the ship, because you know, I
could only see one pathway out of this, and it
wasn't a good pathway. I've got kids and a wife,
so anyway, I went down a bit of a different pathway.
I did a course in neural linguistic programming and basically

(42:49):
cognitive behavioral therapy. But you just just learned, you learn
to think differently about situations. And then I and this
is where it gets a little bit left field. I
actually did two Iowaska ceremonies, so a hallucinogenic ceremony, and
I haven't had the need for any to depressant or
anti anxiety medication for eighteen months two years.

Speaker 18 (43:12):
Wow.

Speaker 10 (43:13):
Based on that, Yeah, it was amazing.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
I mean, just on there. I mean it sounds and
it may sound a bit left field to people out there,
but genuinely, there's a growing body of research when you
look at the idea of microdosing. And certainly I'm not
a doctor, and I'm certainly not a pharmacist, and I
don't have research experience in this area, but others do
and I've read those reports in those studies, and clearly

(43:39):
there is some positive signs of that approach working for
many people.

Speaker 10 (43:47):
Very much so.

Speaker 15 (43:49):
Australia are one of the first countries in the Western
world to bring psilocybin therapy, which is the ingredient of
magic mushrooms and MDMA therapy into their mental health program.
And I believe the world's just sitting back and watching
to see what happens. But I certainly know from a
personal experience, micro dosing I don't think would have done

(44:11):
the job for me. I needed to dive right into
the deep end and have a bit of a look
at myself and it was certainly an intense experience. I
wouldn't recommend it for everyone, but it was a pretty
intense experience and it was Yeah, it made a huge difference.
But the thing with hallucinogenics, my understanding, I am in
the medical industry. I'm not a doctor, but I am

(44:32):
in the medical industry. My understanding of hallucinogenics is they
they climbed to the top of the cliff and they
sought the problem as opposed to the SSRIs, which tend
to mask the symptoms. And I felt for me that
was huge, Like it just it was life changing. Is
a bit of a stretch, but it just it just

(44:53):
made such a massive difference.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Where best did you do it, Mike? Was that in
the state? So was that in I think you can
do it in parts of South America?

Speaker 7 (45:00):
Is that right?

Speaker 15 (45:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (45:02):
It was actually here. I wouldn't want to go into
too many more details.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Than that's been going on for quite the.

Speaker 15 (45:08):
While, and I would be very, very disappointed if it
became got to a point where they stopped doing it,
because it's helped a lot of people.

Speaker 10 (45:17):
I know.

Speaker 15 (45:18):
I've had a friend do it with me, and yeah,
it was it was an amazing experience. I that you
certainly had to have big boy pants on when you
went and did it, because it's pretty confronting.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Yeah, yeah, I bet, yeah, but worked.

Speaker 15 (45:32):
It worked remarkably well, and I I found.

Speaker 10 (45:35):
It a.

Speaker 15 (45:37):
Yeah, I'm actually, to be honest with you, I probably
I probably due to go and do another little journey
at some point and work got you just basically it's
been able to identify a problem area of your personality
and confront that and for some bizarre reason, it just
delivers the answer for you.

Speaker 10 (45:58):
Yeah, it's really odd. You know.

Speaker 15 (45:59):
You go into the ceremony and you you have this
speaking stick, which sounds a bit odd, but you say
what you want from it and.

Speaker 10 (46:09):
Both times it's delivered. It was remarkable.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Yeah, you know again, Mark, I've heard I don't have
any experience directly with it myself, but I have heard
from people who have undertaken that and they say similar
to what you are saying. It's a full of experience,
but an incredible experience, and they come out very different
on the on the other side. So, I mean, this
is obviously run by people who have done this for

(46:35):
for a long time. It's that critical support and safety
is paramounts and all the other aspects there correct correct.

Speaker 15 (46:42):
No, that it's very you're very well looked after, and
you know you're you're in a room with like minded
individuals and you're all going through your your own ships
and excuse the language story, and yeah, you're just it.
It takes you on a journey and delivers you out
the other side. I mean, don't get me wrong, it
doesn't It doesn't do it for you.

Speaker 10 (47:02):
It gives you the answers and the pathway. And that's
what it did for me.

Speaker 15 (47:06):
And yeah, I don't get me wrong, I still have
days where I'm feeling a bit flat. But I mean, ultimately,
life ain't meant to be up all the time. Otherwise
you don't appreciate the moments when they are spot on.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Yeah, and just on that mark clearly, you know you
have some bad days like all of us. Is it
still a work in progress? With other elements? Do you incorporate?
You know, therapy is their exercise, eating right, any of
that sort of stuff.

Speaker 15 (47:28):
Oh, look, I mean being in the fifties, you know,
when you get to that age, you start being confronted
by your own mortality. And I want to look after myself.
So you know, I try and eat right, don't eat perfect,
but I do I meditate when I can. It gives
you that time to pull yourself back into the moment
and focus on your breathing. I exercise as often as

(47:49):
I can, so.

Speaker 10 (47:51):
Yeah, I was fortunate enough.

Speaker 15 (47:53):
My cousin's late late wife was a clinical psychologist, and
she helped me through a fairly deep part of that
trench that I was in, and she talked about cold
therapy and those sort of things that used to be
done back in the day, and then Western medicine sort
of drifted away from those sort of things, but they've
started realizing that it actually can be very beneficial. It

(48:15):
just gives you that reset. As that previous caller said,
you know, there's no comfort in cold water.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Yeah, yeah, I've tried it. Yeah, I'm going to have
to toughen up a little bit and grip my teeth,
but I can see the benefits of it absolutely. I
like a cold plutch. The shower is pretty torturous, whereas
a cold plutter that's exactly how it feels like. Mark, Hey,
great to get your experience. Thank you very much for
giving me a buzz. Really interesting, and we get in

(48:44):
a few techs on psilocybin, which is the active ingredient
in medrick mushrooms. And you'll recall there was a psychiatrist
who was granted approval about six months ago in New
Zealand to prescribe psilocybin and small doses to help with
mental health challenges and anxiety, and he was flooded worth

(49:05):
requests after that story broke. But clearly there is growing
research in that area. So if you are a patient
of this particular doctor, or you've tried it and it's
worked for you, love to hear from you on oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. I'll take more of your
calls very shortly. It is sixteen past two.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Wow your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams
afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth Talk said, be.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Very good afternoon. Sure we are talking about mental health
in this country. It is November, which is dedicated to
men's health, both mental and physical, so it's a good
time to have a chat about this. But keen to
hear from you. If you've gone through some mental health challenges,
what worked for you? Was it the likes of SSRIs
anti adepressant medication or was it the likes of cold

(49:56):
water therapy, was it exercise, eating right and perhaps therapy
as well? A lot to say about the benefits of
regular therapy. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that
number to call Natasha ic'e to chat with you? Hey,
then how are you very good? And tend to hear
your story?

Speaker 19 (50:15):
Yeah, So I'm calling up because my son's ADHD autistic,
so he doesn't set into our square bridgid schooling system,
and so he because of because of that, you know,
the way it takes one way of teaching. He ended
up on antidepressants and it's not it's actually very common

(50:38):
for our neurodiverse kids. It only takes two to three
years in our school system and internationally for them to
be suicidal, and by the age of ten they're beauty
self harming. Tim with me heavily advocating, was ten suicidal
and thirteen self harming. So he ended up on quite
a lot of antidepressants. But I co founded a little

(50:59):
startup about mental well being well about on the friends
that's side, to work out how our brains work better.
The last I talked about personality and.

Speaker 13 (51:12):
Behavior.

Speaker 19 (51:12):
You know, it's how we think and there tends to
be sort of four dominant ways of thinking. Betweens you
need different information and to thrive, which is it what
we get at school, et cetera. And then our emotions,
how we're feeling emotionally that's what drives behavior and.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
How does that look like for people like your son
and other children? Is that effectively? Is it almost like
a type of therapy?

Speaker 19 (51:40):
It's education. So what it is is that I mean
he's done because of where he got to mentally in
the school system. He has done a lot of work
with my psyche to help him work out how his
brain works and what you know, how to have a
voice on what he needs and how he can thrive.

(52:00):
So it's education. And what's challenging I think is you
know last month was Mental Health Awareness Week and did
you know to do years of awareness and we've got
the worst last I think Massi University did a research
in twenty twenty four and fifty seven percent of what
the workforce in New Zealand is and burnout. The challenge

(52:22):
with mental welbiness is, you know, when you're a little
bit stressed, sleeps, each exercise works well, but when you're
actually in that loop and you don't get your brain
and you don't get how stressed you are, then you
end up and burn out, and we need different tools
in and that's what's missing.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
It is heartbreaking, absolutely, it is heartbreaking to see those
figures in. You're right, and the Mental Health Foundation has
been doing some good work for the past thirty years.
But the problem is you're saying Natasha still exists. And
I think you know, generally it's it is. It feels
like it is getting better. We can chat about it
more and be more open about it, but I still
think it does it don't.

Speaker 20 (52:58):
Well, it's the suicide rates.

Speaker 19 (53:00):
So the worst we've got three times that we see
the suicide rates. That's not good.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
No, and our trag.

Speaker 19 (53:08):
And it's like we can have this. We've got JK
and all these people going out charging a fortunate for awareness,
but we need tools and a lot of people there's
a lot of people thinking that they do an awareness
thing around mental wellbeing, but they don't do anything deeper
to help staff thrive. But yet they expect them to
go through restructures and you know, all the things that

(53:32):
are going on out there, psychosocial risks, and they wonder
why the world's the way it is right now. Yeah,
So I don't think there's enough thing done well.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
I mean, on the element of is it still taboo
to talk about it? I think it is, you know,
primarily for men. And I just say that because I'm
a man, and clearly I've got experience with friends and
look to be fear myself when I've had some some downtimes,
not to the level that I needed medication, but certainly
some bad days where it does feel sometimes that it's

(54:01):
it's it's still very difficult to say what I'm feeling now,
Is that normal? Am I going to bounce back from this?
Or is this you know, an area where maybe I
do need some extra support here. That's still difficult for
a lot of people to ascertain and maybe you know,
to reach out and say maybe I do need help
at there's still that element I think in New Zealand

(54:22):
in particular, that say I can I can push through this,
I can grip my teeth and I will come right
at some stage and I can do this by myself,
which is heartbreaking because clearly that mentality can lead a
lot of people to get into a worse position totally.

Speaker 19 (54:38):
And I mean a couple of years back when my
son was at college and I was helping him have
a voice, and my ex husband was like, he needs
to put his head and he needs to fit and
he needs to shut up. I remember saying to Anton,
the psake our psych and said, to people, really just
suddenly commit suicide And he said, no, Well, he said,
you're saying though the things. If you're told to be quiet,

(54:59):
don't think, it doesn't mean you.

Speaker 21 (55:01):
Stop thinking it.

Speaker 19 (55:02):
It just means you stop saying it. And they're getting
taught that at school. You know, from the age of
seven or eight, shout out fit and don't talk, don't
have an opinion. That's where it starts then, And so
it's not that people stop thinking it as someone suddenly
commits suicide. There's quite often signs. Just a lot of
people don't know what they look like, and so people

(55:24):
but I'm a good listener, but there's a difference between
listening and people knowing that because I went through massive
depression with it, with supporting my son, and when I
told people I was depressed that I'd lost a whole
lot of weight, I had black dog depression, and their
answer was, ah, when I'm depressed, I eat more and
I'm like, yeah, no, this is different, so you get
frustrated and telling.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
People with that in mind, Natasha, I mean, it's not
a one size fits all, but the idea of a
regular therapist, if you find the right one, just that
person to open up to and share and be that
listening pair of ears that isn't going to be judgmental.
You know, this all sounds nef but that I think

(56:05):
is what a lot of people feel is they burden
others with problems they think they could probably sort themselves,
and then again when it gets to the point where
they can't sort it out themselves, then it becomes all
the more difficult or or you know, as you say,
you face the black dog, then you fall into that spiral.

Speaker 19 (56:24):
Yeah, and again it's therapists understanding and arranged brains. I mean,
we work with people who are ADHD orchis, and if
they go to a therapist who doesn't understand ADHD autism,
they try to neuro perform them like the school system
does because they simply don't know you're different. They don't
have that knowledge. So there's a massive difference. And trauma,

(56:45):
so there's also trauma therapy.

Speaker 7 (56:46):
That's report it too.

Speaker 19 (56:48):
Before you see a coach, you need to sort your
trauma out.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Yeah, Natasha, really good to have a chat with you,
and it sounds like you're doing some amazing work and
I'm glad you're in a good space and it sounds
like it's working really well for your child as well.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call when it comes to your own mental wealth? Is
that still true? You know we talk about that that
taboo of being able to talk about it freely and sadly.

(57:11):
I still think that is slightly ingrained in many parts
of New Zealand. And it's not to say that people
wouldn't help you if you asked for it, but it
is that initial Am I at a place that I
need that extra support or am I going to battle
through this myself? And whether there are love to hear
your experiences, whether there are easy supports out there to
be able to kick and if you need it, Oh,

(57:32):
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call.
We're talking about this because it is November this month
as well, which is a great cause. Back in a
month though it is twenty six past two.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons. Call Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on Youth Talk, Zabe.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Good afternoon, youre we are talking about mental health. It
is November this month, so a good time to have
this discussion. But we've been What kicked off this discussion
was emerging research about the use of antidepressant drunks like
SSRI's life saving for many people, but it is not
a one size fits all for a lot of other people.

(58:12):
They think that it is going to help them when
they're facing mental health challenges, but it turns out, sometimes sadly,
to do the opposite or make things a lot harder.
So the question we asked was what worked for you
when you face those mental health challenges. Oh one hundred
and eighteen eighty is that number to call? Get a
cold man?

Speaker 12 (58:29):
How are you doing?

Speaker 2 (58:30):
I'm good.

Speaker 12 (58:31):
I had my daughter, she was self harming and ended
up at mental health on the North Shore. Now all
these people wanted to do was to shove drugs down
hearth throat and I just had shouting match after shouting
match with them, and I said, that's not going to

(58:53):
cure anything. You have to find out what the cause
that not just throw some pills at it. So that's
going to fix it. And anyway, they it keeps sending
up prescriptions and then they'd ring and so you have
it picked up your prescription that I told you it's
not taking drugs, which was only fifteen. Then when she

(59:16):
turned sixteen, that day they rang and they said, oh,
your daughter's got an appointment. And my daughter came to
me and said, oh, Dad, apparently I've got an appointment
at this place. I said, oh, okay, So I took
it down and they said, well, now that you're sixteen,
you don't need your parents' consent to take the drugs. Mate.

(59:41):
It's like a like a legal drug pusher. And I
just lost. I just went right off.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Now, I mean, that is tough for you as a
father culture to have to deal with that. Can I
just ask so this was the general practitioner or the
doctor that initially said this may help, yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:00:02):
Down, yes, yeah. Any way, I just went right again.
And now a couple of years on, you know, she's
as good as gold and you know, just applying for
a new job. But Corntas says that your hostess.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
You know, I'm so stoked to hear that. Carl really
really happy to hear this.

Speaker 12 (01:00:23):
Just unbelievable, the amount of anguish that I had to
go through, and as a Christian as well, you know,
I tried to tell them, you know that what you're
doing is wrong, you know, and that's just I don't know.
I was like, I was just up against brick wall.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Carl. I'm sorry you had to go through that. I'm
glad your daughter is doing far better now and amazing
to hear that she's just about to go for a
job as a as a ear hostess, which is phenomenal.
I mean on the SSRIs and the antidepressant drugs, and
clearly I am not a doctor, but a lot of
texts are coming through that those particular medications saved people's lives.

(01:01:04):
And from the doctor's point of view, if that is
going to alleviate some of these mental health issues, then
absolutely that is their role to prescribe that as an option.
And I suppose what brought on this conversation was November
being the month of November. It is a great cause
and a great charity that tries to raise funds for

(01:01:26):
men's mental health and physical health. But the growing body
of evidence around those SSRIs that it's not a one
size fits all for many people saves their life fantastic
and for others they have to look maybe a little
bit further afield to find something that works for them.
So keen to hear from you. O eight one hundred

(01:01:47):
and eighty ten eighty. If the antidepressant SSRIs worked well
for you, really keen to get your experiences. But also
if you were one of the people that it didn't
work so well for, what did help you? Was it therapy,
a regular therapy session. Was it as simple as exercising
more and eating a bit better? And those support networks,

(01:02:08):
they are massive, no doubt about it. You've got to
have if you're lucky enough, and many of us aren't
lucky enough to have some pretty incredible support networks around.
When you are going through those tough times, people you
trust and support are to direct you where you need
to go and to offer you the support that you need.
Really keen to get your stories. Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is that number to call headlines with

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Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, and we are talking about
mental health. It is November this month, and we're talking
about your experiences and what worked for you when you
did face some mental health challenges. Oh, one hundred and
eight ten eighty is that number to call Victoria. Very
good afternoon to you, Hi, Gay, Thanks for having me on,
Thank you for ringing.

Speaker 7 (01:04:08):
Have such an.

Speaker 22 (01:04:08):
Important topic to be talking about. Thank you sort of
exactly the sort of thing I think we should be
talking about. And wonderful words. I think it was Natasha
could really relate. I feel for that man. So I
just had a lot to say on the matter. I'll
try and start. I guess there are so many things
to say depression. You can't outthink depression. It's not a

(01:04:33):
matter of all but the scar Okay, how.

Speaker 6 (01:04:36):
Can I put it?

Speaker 22 (01:04:37):
In New Zealand, there's so much blame and shame, and
the stigma is prevalent.

Speaker 19 (01:04:41):
Okay.

Speaker 22 (01:04:42):
I've tried to take my lust and respimes and I've
survived because I talked, because I've picked off the phone.
I've known a lot of other people made men who
didn't anathotistics. I feel like a New Zealan men's even women.
We're very reserved. We don't really talk about our feelings.
People often say to me or we do know what

(01:05:03):
to say it, and I'd say, you don't have to
say anything. It's not a solution. It's just listening and
what am I trying to say? Yeah, I feel like
it's very ingredd in New Zealand culture. I think it
goes right through Rugby, very stoic. We are men. We
passed on a book. We don't you know, we just
get over it. There's expressions I can't see. Get over it.

(01:05:26):
You know, it's not that bad. We're in a great country.
What have you got to be? What you got to
be sad about? You can't be sad? You know all
these sorts of expressions, man up, you know all these things,
which is just so damaging. I think these sorts of
messages should be really I brought into school primary school.
But I've witnessed this with my family. Also, speaking of family,

(01:05:49):
it came hereditary, but my whole family has a long
list of depressions. Everyone in my family. So we have
an antidepressant. As I say to people and depression has layers,
you know, I'm ADHD. Took me twenty years to get it.
It took me, yeah eight, I've just got a diagnosis.
Depression is very layers. There can be trauma, there can

(01:06:11):
be addiction. ADHD big word trauma, greet And as I
say to people, people say, I feel sad, and people
so literally don't. It's like place and I feel hungry.
You wouldn't say you don't feel hungry. And as I say,
there's something missing in the brain, like my ADHD, it's
a missing piece. So I take a medication and it
has been life saving.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
The victoria and the feature're still with us.

Speaker 22 (01:06:34):
As well, and it's for good's verant and and people
don't get it. And I said to my I'll just
say one quick thing is people think, you know, I
say to people, well feel the epilepsy. People use it,
use it, you know, tanject them stuff right the heart?
You take hell, don't you You know, if you have
it a previous thing condition you're taken inhaler. If there

(01:06:55):
is something in your brain which is no fault of
your own. It could be like if their genetics and
you know, obviously our life experience affects our mental health.
There are so many things. It is a real thing.
There's missing like abhdly dota mean is missing. So therefore
medication tops it up. Now that it's not a you know,

(01:07:16):
it's not gone capsules. You know that alone is not enough.
It has to be supported by for me, therapy, dance, exercise, gratitude, lift,
all those sorts of things. But yes, anti depressions are
very important, just as any medicine for any other condition.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Yeah, beautifully said Victoria, And you articulated that very well.
But just on the you know, talking about if you're
facing a mental health challenge, and it's just my thought.
I think the challenges and I can only speak from
a male perspective, but I think the challenges for a
lot of guys. And whether it is the Shelby ride
or I've got to fix this myself mentality, perhaps that's

(01:07:52):
a part of it. But I think for a lot
of guys, they have been fine for many years, many decades,
and maybe for the first time things start to unravel
in the brain, maybe when they're forty, maybe when they're fifty,
and I think for a lot of guys they're not
quite or why there's nothing really that is that has
changed in their life all of a sudden, they're just

(01:08:13):
finding themselves struggling a lot more than they were a
couple of months ago. So then that's very easy to
think I will get I will be all right. I'm
just going to push through this. I'm going to read
some books. I'm just going to sort this out myself.
But that is heartbreaking, isn't it. Because when you had
that moment and you might be questioning, say, what the
hell is going on with my brain? This sucks and

(01:08:36):
I can't understand it? That is kind of the time
that you should be looking for those extra support networks
on people who have been there themselves.

Speaker 22 (01:08:44):
I think so, because it's you know, look, it's scary,
and you know, I got out some terrible doctors. I've said,
like I'm still father. I said, go to yoga, have
a cup of tea. You know, I just dreadful, awful.
So I would say exactly, Sometimes, well, it appears to
maybe come out of the blue, but sometimes from my experience,
it could be delayed brief. Maybe you've been loved for
your job, maybe you divorced, maybe you couldn't have kids,

(01:09:05):
Maybe you I don't know, maybe you've done really well.

Speaker 17 (01:09:07):
In your job.

Speaker 22 (01:09:08):
It could be anything. There's no you know, mental health doesn't.

Speaker 20 (01:09:13):
You know, there's no.

Speaker 22 (01:09:14):
It doesn't dictate to you. You know, it just fixts everybody,
all creep, all colors and exactly come out of the blue,
and people kind of go, well, where does it come from?
And it's scary. Those feelings are very scary, and I
think that's the thing to kind of realize that, oh, okay,
this is happening, and to recognize that and for God's sake,

(01:09:35):
just yeah, but we don't allow us things to those
sorry gentlemen earlier, Like I live in Europe, breach Italian men.
You know, they talk as I'm talking to you. I
speak languages. My hands are gesticulating wildly. We connect on
a deep level. Whereas I do think it's a cultural
thing here. You know, people think, oh, I'm going to
be a burden. Well really think much. You know, the

(01:09:57):
life is much better anyway. I would just say, you know, yeah,
checking in, but just as as borning as it might be. Yes,
exercise is great. There are so many things people have
told me you just need to do this. You just
sometimes it is not enough.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
The Sky Daughters yeah, Victoria.

Speaker 22 (01:10:15):
Yeah, so just pick up the phone one of those
just pick up Lifeline, one of those free front numbers.

Speaker 5 (01:10:20):
And it's a none of us.

Speaker 22 (01:10:23):
Rather than a drink or pick up a pillans and
I go down to down the girdler.

Speaker 19 (01:10:27):
Pick up the phone.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
Yeah, Victoria. Really good to get your thoughts and thank
you very much, beautifully articulated and glad you're doing so
much better as well. But fantastic words. Thank you very much.
And we will read out some of those support lines
and we're to turn to for help. We'll get to
that next and coming up very shortly, we are also
going to have a chat to Robert Dunn. He's the

(01:10:49):
country manager for November and that is part of the
reason why we're having a chat about mental health today.
So that is coming up very shortly. But taking more
of your calls. On one hundred and eighteen eighty it
is sixteen to three Matt.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Heath Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
Be thirteen to three, Peter, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:11:12):
How you doing?

Speaker 21 (01:11:13):
Just did I relate in my own experience and one
of the things that I've found is that a typical
New Zealand bloke doesn't differentiate between a bad day and
a terrible event. They minimize the terrible events and as
such they just got a treat it like a bad day,
but they never really deal with it. And so what

(01:11:34):
happens is, rather than you know, treating it like like
as w a bad day, just write it off a
beer bitch. Teammates though these terrible events if you'd like,
you have a relationship breakup and marriage breakdown.

Speaker 7 (01:11:47):
And my case was.

Speaker 21 (01:11:48):
Cancer and I went through all the treatment and a
couple of years afterwards, I just found myself, you know,
having some really really dark thoughts, go to some really
really dark places. So you know, I contacted a few people,
the cancers so brilliant they put me in touch with
some counselors and any deprisons for about six months, and

(01:12:11):
it just gave me this the space between you know,
the dark feelings and the intellect who have actually put
things into context.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
If you get one on feelings, yeah, I mean it's
so so lucky you had that that support network. And
I mean lucky is a poor choice of words, because
I'm so sorry you had to go through through cancer,
but you know it's it's a weird thing to say, Peter. Yeah,
well I'm super super tough to hear that. But having
those people there that that could point you in the

(01:12:42):
right direction and give you that ability to speak to
to others who can understand and get and you know,
give you that that advice and and obviously the medication
helped help to treat.

Speaker 21 (01:12:54):
I mean that is I'll tell you one one really
surprising symptom of depression. And not everybody gets that, but
it is. You know, something that's in the literature is
you can still taste what food tastes like, but you
don't enjoy the taste. You know what I mean, it's
really fun. You don't enjoy food anymore. And after about

(01:13:15):
three days and agy of the press and so I
had Christmas dinner and it was just like, oh, I
can taste food in you. It's brilliant.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
Yeah, I mean that that is a positive side effect, Peter,
along with all the rest of them for you obviously.

Speaker 21 (01:13:28):
Yeah, yeah, you're in my watchcook. It was brilliant at
the best of time.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
So yeah, absolutely, So what was it that that changed
for you, Peter? When you went on the medication, and
it does understand it for many people it takes a
week while to that you start to feel those effects.
But it was was it almost like a cloud had
been removed, that you could have some clarity again.

Speaker 21 (01:13:48):
It was being able to look at it from an
intellectual to speak of, and not on the motive one.
It kind of took the emotion out of it and
I was able to deal with what was going on
less on an instinctive but more on a thoughtful, considered,
contemplative basis. So it really worked in a well with

(01:14:10):
the counseling. So sometimes counseling itself doesn't work, and I
don't think medication by itself works, But if you get
the two together, they can work together and really really
get you to a good place. But the first thing
I'll do is ask for help. And but it's face
that what you blokes.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Suck at that, Yeah, we certainly do. And you know again, Peter,
it is I don't know why it is so tough,
I think for a lot of fellers. And this is
a question I'm putting to you, but is it because
you worry that other guys that you may chat to
or even even women in your life. They it feels

(01:14:47):
like a burden that you might put on them and
they might not necessarily have the tools to be able
to help you. So that education across the board for
all of us on where to go if you need
some extra support, and whether you know chating to your
GP is the first step. All those elements might get
us a little bit further along the track, and just
being a bit more open.

Speaker 21 (01:15:09):
I think that would help. I think that there's a
certain problem with society at the moment, and that particularly
with social media. People go to work and they go home,
and they don't have a third place to go to,
a third option. They don't have the social aspect that
they used to They don't have their mates down the pub,

(01:15:31):
they don't have the sports clubs that they used to have,
they don't have the community organizations.

Speaker 14 (01:15:35):
That we used to have.

Speaker 21 (01:15:36):
And I think there needs to be a lot more
of that within society as well. Less digital communication, more
face to face.

Speaker 10 (01:15:44):
Yeah, there's a lot.

Speaker 21 (01:15:46):
That we can do to make our mental health better,
but the first thing we've got to do is recognize.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
When it's not yeah, spot on, Peter, and you're banging
on with those social connections and there's something that feels
like we've lost in many elements of New Zealand society
and that is a massive part of general good mental health.
Thank you very much for giving me a call. Oh
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call? It is eight minutes to three for surely.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 20 (01:16:16):
That'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Phil, old friend. How are you mate?

Speaker 23 (01:16:22):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (01:16:23):
Okay, Tyland, my young friend.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
How are you not too bad? Mate? I mean it's
it's been a good discussion. But it's been a while
since me and you have had a catch up mate,
But I obviously know that you've had some mental health
challenges in your time. How are you doing at the moment.

Speaker 17 (01:16:38):
I'm still battling away. I'm still on a sort of
assisted benefit at the moment. They're not working, which is
kind of in between a a work benefit and a
health you know, a health sort of benefit. But yeah, yeah,
I'm still battling, still battling away. I must get you

(01:16:59):
that email address so if you come down, have a
game of golf. I was meant to send you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Absolutely. I mean, golf can be good for mental health
and can also be bad for mental health when you're
me Phil, but yeah, yeah, no, if you come up here,
you know the clubs are rearing.

Speaker 17 (01:17:11):
To go, brilliant, brilliant, same like same when you come
back to Christis. Yeah, yeah, I like that about it
can be bad for mental health, can be bad for
mental help for me too.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
It's a tough sport. Sometimes it's a tough sport. It's tough,
that is.

Speaker 17 (01:17:27):
It is just the patience of a saint. Yeah, I've
been I've been on the medication in the past. I
was on quite mild stuff boxetine. I think it wasn't
all tripoline, and eventually I took myself off and so
I'm not on them now. But I think the medication
is good if you get to the stage where you

(01:17:47):
know you you were thinking suicide or your self harming
and that kind of thing, and when you get in
that deep that's maybe when you do need the drugs.
Like I think one fellow said, just to take the
edge off and get them kind of level and out
of that scenario. But because I've been there in that
scenario over the elf harming and suicidal sort of thoughts

(01:18:11):
as well, and the self harming was part of that.
You know, you're sort of testing yourself. Can I really
go through with it? You know, because you just that
down and you're feeling that low and you just can't
see them find the happiness. You know, you don't want
to get out of bed.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
And Phil just told there mate, because I've got the
news coming up, but I want to have a chat
to you off here, so just told them, my friend,
Thank you very much. All right. Coming up after the news,
we are going to catch up with Rob Dunne. He's
involved with November and if you've been listening, I've got
a whole bunch of numbers for you as well on
where to turn if you need help. That's all coming up.
News is next.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
Your new home are in Stateful and it's a teening talk.
It's Matty and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Sebby very good afternoons. You welcome back to the program.
It is six past three, so we've been having a
discussion about mental health and what worked for you when
you face the mental health challenges. It is, of course
November this month. It's an amazing cause and charity. It
raises a lot lot of money for men's health, both
mental and physical, and it's always a lot of fun

(01:19:13):
for the people involved as well, raised as many many dollars.
And so someone who takes through just while we're having
that conversation, as Robert done, here's the country manager for
November in New Zealand and he's on the line now. Robert,
very good to chat with you.

Speaker 20 (01:19:29):
Yeah, thanks for having me on Tyler or responding and here,
I hope your mustache is coming along. After a few
days of Bovember so far.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
It's looking pretty good. I've got to say. I think Andrew,
my producer, would agree. There's a bit of bed going
along with it as well. But I'll shave off that
reft of the the rest of the bed and play
my partner mates. So it's a fantastic charity and it
is worldwide. How did it start here in New Zealand, Robert, Yeah, you're.

Speaker 20 (01:19:50):
Right sort of. It's started unfortunately in for throw Australia,
but New Zealand was the second country to adopt it.
And basically, you know, if you look back twenty years ago,
there was nothing formalized for men there was a lot
of charities for females and for kids and for famine,
and we did jump right for hard and we did
all these sorts of things, but there was actually nothing
that was gendered, nothing that looked out for men. And

(01:20:12):
the boys who started it, some high case Australian guys
who are good friends, you know, looked around and saw that,
you know, prostate cancer was as big a threat to
a male as breast cancer is to a female. And
with that information they went to the Prospect Cancer Foundation
Australia and said, you know, we think not only is
this a great male fashion accessory, but it could be
a great charitable tool and a great conversation starter. And

(01:20:34):
then their wisdom that actually said thanks, but no thanks.
You guys are a bit weird and we don't want
to we don't want to.

Speaker 10 (01:20:39):
Align with you.

Speaker 20 (01:20:40):
But the boys did it anyway and raised fifty thousand
dollars that month, went back and donaid that money and
they were maybe you aren't so weird, maybe you're onto something.
And if we fast forward today, new Zellan jumped on
board second with an official November charity and campaign, and
now it exists, as you said, Tyler, all around the world,
and it's the largest funder of men's health initiatives outside

(01:21:02):
of government, which is pretty cool. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
Absolutely, I mean the old old mustache can be pretty
punishing for the other halves men's life for that month,
but obviously the fun of it and that cheekiness of it.
The beauty with this of this campaign, Robert, is that
it opens up those conversations right for fellas.

Speaker 20 (01:21:19):
Yeah, I think so, Tyler, Like, you've had some fantastic
callers on this afternoon, and you know, the rarely is
there is no silver bullet. But one thing that we've
really realized works for men is that you know, fun
as medicine. You know, like four men, Sometimes those early
conversations they do need to be informal, they do need
to be hard case. They do need to be around
mustache growth or or the lack of or whatever it

(01:21:42):
may be, because that's how guys like to often start
their interactions. But you know, now that we've matured a
little bit over time, those conversations turned to mental health conversations,
challenges that we have in life, and like so many
of your callers have said, you know, reaching out, being vulnerable,
asking for help, you know, sharing some of the challenges
in life. Absolutely does work. And I really enjoyed one

(01:22:05):
of your previous callers that had on a really strong
point that we're actually getting a little bit better and
asking for help and talking and acknowledging the issue. When
I first started the most them, but we couldn't even
have a conversation about mental health. But we are getting better.
So I always like to highlight that because we one
hundred percent are going in the right direction, there's just
a little bit more work to do. One thing that

(01:22:25):
men in particular can do a little bit better is listen.
We love to jump in there with our sort of
number eight wire attitude and try and problem solve straight away.
If someone is brave enough to share a challenge with you,
it's important to validate that. Realize that for them at
that point in time, it's something really significant, and it's
really hard for them to discuss that with you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
So validate it.

Speaker 20 (01:22:47):
You know, certainly, don't say I mate, that's nothing, and
you know, try and jump in there and say I
did this. Like actually just giving someone space to speak
for two or three minutes in itself is a fantastic
health tool, and it's one that men aren't that good
at And so that whole listening thing, creating a bit
of space and time for someone to share is actually
a skill one that we can really improve that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
There's there's some great resources on the website if anyone
wants to go check it out. I urged them to
do that at November dot com. And obviously you can
donate to the various people taking part. But the five
things men should know and do when it comes to
their health, Robert I love. It's nice and simple and
you can find it on the website. But a couple
of things there. Spend time with people who make you
feel good, talk more that, know the numbers, which is

(01:23:33):
a great one, know thy nuts simple, that's a fantastic one.
That's a big one. And move more. Yeah yeah, and
that exercise as well. But you know, going back to
those first two, spend time with people who make you
feel good and talk more. Clearly, in New Zealand, that
has been something that US Fellers have have struggled with
for for a long time. Do you think it is

(01:23:54):
it is improving on the whole.

Speaker 20 (01:23:57):
No, to be honest, like, I think it's something that
we used to be probably a little bit better better
at and for a number of reasons, we're not as
good as we used to be. And it's it's amazing.
Like I always say when it comes to men sow,
you know, it's our job. The services and some of
the things you've spoken about today are really important. But
it's our job in November and really as krewis to
take pressure off the services to give me in good

(01:24:19):
information to help themselves and others. And like spending time
with people who make you feel good and top up
your bucket is really really important. And quite often I
go into different you know, I suppose by pressure and
busy environments and talk to people about that. And time
is the most valuable commodity. And we talk a lot
these days about being too busy to do things, but
it's I challenge people on that. And if you're not

(01:24:40):
in any given week or any given months doing something
that tops up your bucket and spending time with people
that make you feel good, then you're getting it wrong,
you know. And if you're spending time people who take
out of your bucket or you don't feel good about
yourself and that person, you know, we know when we're
at our best, and we should try really hard to
create that environment in that situation as much as we

(01:25:00):
possibly can. And if we go you know, months or
even longer without doing that, then of course we're going
to be in a bad place, you know. And connection
as well, Like you say, mate, it's just so important.
And I really worry in that space that you know,
we're going to get twenty years down the line and
we're going to have to go to university to learn
how to interact with people. That's a that hyperbolic, but
you know, for some of our younger generation, you know,

(01:25:23):
they are getting brought up in an environment where you
don't take to you you know, you don't have to
interact with people too much if you don't want to.
And I think that's a real challenge for us.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
Yeah, absolutely, and we can start to see that coming
to the fore now. But as you said, Robert, it
seems like it's a continuous, you know, a work in progress,
and there's always you know, things that we can do
in New Zealand then as fellas to keep the conversation
open and alive and keep pushing forward, a.

Speaker 20 (01:25:49):
Oh totally mate, And as I sort of said previously,
like we are getting a lot of things right you know,
there are places that I'm asked to come into now
that I never used to get invited into before, Like
there are so many workplaces now. They're trying to be
proactive in this space. And genuinely, when I go out
and about, people want to help, like they absolutely do.
Like if you are someone you know, if you'll make

(01:26:09):
the struggling a level, would you help them? Everyone puts
their hand up, just a little different sometimes is like
have you told them that? Like do they know that
you know? And that's probably the bit we've got to
work on a little bit. But we are absolutely going
in the right direction. There's some fantastic work that's going
on that perhaps doesn't get held up in lights. It's
all the bad stuff that gets held up in lights.
But the queuing men are not too bad. We we

(01:26:31):
just need a bit more encouragement and we just need
to give them really really good information so they can
help themselves and others.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
Yeah, brilliant too. I have a chat with you, Robert
and promote this great a cause and campaign. How can
people support November if they're listening right.

Speaker 4 (01:26:45):
Now, you totally mate.

Speaker 20 (01:26:47):
Just if you're growing or moving or hosting or participating
in November. Thank you so much. You just go to
the website, sign up, if you know someone who's doing it,
donate to the pause like it doesn't matter. It's five bucks,
ten bucks, twenty bucks, it all matters. That's the success
of Novembers. It's just a heaps of people doing a
little bit, which is fantastic. And it's the same in
mental health. Just think of the one or two people

(01:27:08):
who mean a lot to you and just make sure
that they understand you've got their back and vice versa.
And if we do that on math, then we actually
do move the dial, which is really cool. And for
all the ladies who are listening, you know, no matter
what it looks like, just telling me looks handsome this month,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
Nicely said Robert. And I've got to give a shout
out to our mates at the Alternative Commentary Collector. Absolutely,
I've got no sleep tool hole in the one campaign
going on at the moment, So that could take a
long time, Robit.

Speaker 20 (01:27:35):
They could take bad golfers for a very long time.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
They need all the help they can get. Absolutely, to
go check that out November dot com and give generously.
It's a great cause. Robert always good to have a
chat with you. Go well and we'll catch up again soon.

Speaker 20 (01:27:49):
Thank you so much, Tyler. Catch up mate. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
See that is Robert Dunn, country manager for November Great
Cause promoting men's health mentally and physically, and of course
November we want to promote mental health across the board,
females included. So it's been a great discussion and I
mentioned before, Look, have you been listening and you're feeling
some of those mental health problems come to the four

(01:28:11):
There is absolutely support out there for you, so we're
to turn for help. The best first point of contact
is to visit your GP. They can help assess what
further support might be needed. There is some helplines available,
of course, if you or someone you care about our
immediate physical danger to themselves or others. Obviously one one
one is the call, but if you need to talk
you can free call or text one seven three seven.

(01:28:33):
Lifeline is eight hundred and five four three three five four,
The Crisis Helpline is five eight eight to eight eight
six five and Use line is eight one hundred and
three seven six six double three. But if you are
going through some challenges at the moment, there's absolutely help
out there for you and opening up and talking about

(01:28:55):
it and reaching out for that is incredibly valuable. It
saves lives in fact, right coming up after we play
some messages. It's been a really good discussion, by the way,
and thank you very much to everyone who text and phoned.
But I was loath to bring up this topic. But
there's a couple of stories that have come to the fore,
so we are going to get into it over the
next sort of forty minutes, and as fireworks comes up

(01:29:15):
every year at the same time, but I'll read out
a couple of stories for you that are in the
papers today and then we can have a chat about
the sale of fireworks during this time and love to
hear your thoughts. O. Eight one hundred and eighty ten
eighty It is seventeen pass three. Back very shortly his talk,
sa'd be afternoon to you. It's twenty pass three. So
let's get into this one. It does pop up every year.

(01:29:36):
But a couple of stories have been published today and
I'll go through them with you right now, and it
is about fireworks. So the first story is about a
near miss with police and fire service emergency services and
news in Dunedin in the student district responded to a
significant fireworks disruption, roughly fifty people. We're shooting fireworks at
each other on a street and when police arrived, fireworks

(01:29:58):
were directed at the offices and even a fire truck,
resulting in what they say was a near miss. I
mean that is a fairly student behavior, but pretty for
long when you turnworks fireworks on fire trucks and police officers.
And the second one is a family who is calling
for change after their dog dies on the fireworks sales day.

(01:30:20):
So fireworks went on sale on the second of November
two days ago, and I've got to say, so far
up in Auckland it feels tamer than in previous years,
perhaps because I've moved to a different part of Auckland.
But in this particular story, a family lost their bloved
dog on the very first day those fireworks went on sale.
The dog was spooked by fireworks, fled and was subsequently
sadly run over. It as a tragic story, prompting the

(01:30:41):
family to call for changes in how fireworks are sold
and use. So that's what I want to have a
chat about, because it keeps popping up year after year
after year. And I've got to say last year I
was pretty anty the old fireworks, mainly because I mean,
it's very selfish of me, but they just did my head.
And where I was living at the time, it seemed
like they were going fireworks crazy every night, and where

(01:31:01):
I was living in close proximity to a lot of
other people. Now I've softened somewhat clearly. When it comes
to animals, there is a lot of animals that get spooked,
and there is fire danger down in Canterbury. There is
a scrub fire today, not that that has been caused
by a firework necessarily, but last year, as we know,

(01:31:22):
the Fire Service responded to one hundred and sixty six
callouts that were fireworks related. So a couple of things here.
When it comes to the sale of fireworks, I get
why we have it in November and we open up
the sales at this particular time is because there's a
history involved with this particular event, right guy Fawk's the

(01:31:42):
sail of fireworks. It happens in winter on the other
side of the world where this particular event or history,
historic events originated. But we are lumped with having this
in the middle or close to summer. When it is
bone dry around the country. So if we are going
to carry on with selling fireworks, willing nelly on the

(01:32:03):
side of roads and letting people have a good time,
hopefully safely, and there's always going to be a few
dickeads out there. I mean, do we seriously perhaps need
to look at changing when we open up the sale
for fireworks. Because I'm not anti fireworks anymore. I used
to be a little bit anti fireworks, but I'm no longer.
But I think the time that we actually open it
up for sale and let people go gung ho setting

(01:32:26):
them off is a bit is a bit stupid. It
just seems like the wrong time of year. And again
I understand the historical context, but when you've got public
sales of explosives, perhaps nearing summer when it's a bit
dry is not the right time to open that up.
But what do you say? O eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighty And if you live really this can

(01:32:47):
be a massive issue for people that have horses and
stock that don't quite understand it. There's the bird people
that say it's horrible when birds are trying to nest
and that it's at the edge of spring and it's
it's terrible for the bird population. So the nature lovers
out there, I think have got a fair point. But
what do you say, Is this just a bit of
harmless fun? Be just the anti fun police coming into

(01:33:11):
town to say no more fireworks because you can't be
trusted anymore as as Kiwi's Or do we just allow
a few decades to do what they do each year
while the rest of us do the safe and responsible thing.
Really keen to hear from you on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty if you bought fireworks already, I'm actually keen
to hear what you've got. What is actually in these
kits now that you're buying the side of the of

(01:33:33):
the road used to be the big berthas and the
Roman candles, if they still exist. Love to hear from you. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Is that number nine two
nine two is the text number? It's twenty four past
three back in the mow.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on youth talk, saidb.

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
Afternoon to you. It is twenty six past three, so
we are talking about fireworks. Story today about a family
calling for changes after their dog sadly died after being
spooked by fireworks and running onto a road and tragically
being run over. Then there was a story out today
that a whole bunch of scafees down in New Zealand
we're having a fireworks celebration, shooting Roman candles at themselves,

(01:34:16):
police and fire turned up, and then they turn the
fireworks on the police and the firefighters. So can you
hear your views? Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty plenty of texts coming through, This one from Bob
gide Tyler. How come we never have this discussion about
fireworks during Chinese New Year or Dwali? Fair question, Bob,
But I think that's because you cannot buy public fireworks

(01:34:38):
during Chinese New Year or Dwali. The only time you
can actually buy fireworks as an ordinary member of the
public is over November second to November the fifth of
those three days are the only time we allow that
public sale of fireworks. But it's a fair point, and
this one says, I think a change to matadiki wouldn't
be a sensible solution regarding fire risk and other spring

(01:35:01):
related issues. Pete how are you.

Speaker 6 (01:35:04):
Hey, you there, gentlemen. I believe there's something's going to
be done. Like you say that poor person lost their pick,
because we all know that dogs and what they're cats
and horses. You know, there's poor people that the horse
bolts or whatever and they break their leg. They've got
to put it down. I'm not a part of pooper,
you know. I'm like against banning things. I still reckon
we have a good thing now you only buy the

(01:35:25):
fire weeks four days and what the government should do
over again now like in Australia, you can't. The summers
are getting dryer and New Zealand now too. That's what
we're well aware of. I think it's about they reckon
that the government fight lose the votes because they're doing it.
They implement it sort of. They don't have to ban it.
So what they gut decide to do, whether it's a week,
two weeks or three weeks, that's the period you have

(01:35:47):
guy fox Snyders and you've got two weeks or week
whatever whatever time frame the government decides to bring in.
So you bought your fire crackers, go for gold and
anybody's got their pits and horses. They know this is
going to happen. They got a week or two weeks.
We have to protict the our animals or whatever for
that period of time. Then after that it stops. And
as they do it, and they can be prosecuted if

(01:36:08):
you can find out and they let up the firecrackers
and of course the fire on my property or burns
my house, then send the bill to them. We'll keep
their insurance bos down as well because we hit it
in place.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
Yeah, I look, I agree with a lot of what
you're saying, Pete. I mean I do. I do think
it's it's idiotic that we sell them this close to
summer when it's bone dry around the country. But I understand,
you know, it's the historical context. Remember remember the fifth
of November and the arrest of Guy Fawkes after the
gumpowder plot. But are we rarely that attached to that

(01:36:42):
particular historic event. I mean, can we not come up
with our own thing, as a lot of people are saying, matadiki,
that's in the middle of winter. Reduces those callouts for
the firefighters. Everybody can buy their fire weeks for two
days and go for gold, and I think that lessens
the risk of because you're quite right. That's the problem
is the sail is for two days, but these things

(01:37:02):
go off for the next couple of months.

Speaker 6 (01:37:04):
Right, Oh, it's not a couple of months. It's all
for all year round.

Speaker 20 (01:37:08):
There do it.

Speaker 6 (01:37:09):
Most of those people who do it, they are in
how I look at You might think I'm wrong here
what I'm saying. But you know, be considerate for your neighbors.
You let your flo crackers off it for mid night
or whatever, or three o'clock in the morning. You every
mind neighbor to you too. I call them in considerates.
But you're freaking your animals out. Have consideration. I think
you find most of these people if you are thinking,

(01:37:29):
if you're a caring person and think about other people's
animals and stuff, you don't do that sort of thing
so parasling so that they shouldn't actually have the fireworks
because they are in considerate. That's my way of looking
at it. And I reckon it's going to get tough
on it or ban them totally. They got the choice
two or three weeks go for gold. Then the pits.
I said, you were pretty much olf. He the pit owners, No,
I can't score. Got to be over and done with,

(01:37:49):
he goes look after our pits and then our horses
or whatever. They make sure we look up for that
period of time. Then it's all over after that period
of time. It's also good for the fiber go too.
They know it's all done and dot and then start
crossingcuting them.

Speaker 2 (01:38:02):
Yeah, nicely, said Pete. Thank you very much for kicking
us off of this one. So many coming through on
nine to nine two. But can you get your views
on oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, what is
actually stopping the government from banning guy fawks and firework sales?
I think public appetite. I've got plenty of things to
sort out, and I just don't think they want to

(01:38:23):
tackle that hot potato. I mean, there seems to be
a growing push to ban those public firework sales, but
I think from a government point of view, just something
it's easier to leave alone at this point. But that
may change. This one says perhaps if we have to
have fireworks, they are only sold in Matariki in the
winter months and not sold around the fifth of November

(01:38:44):
as well. This one from DearS, it's a cultural celebration,
part of our collective history. Very important to honor and
recognize such cultural events. Hence why we have it on
the fifth of November, which was when Guy Fawks was
arrested after the gunpowder plot and this one. It's simple
allow their use November fifth and maybe December thirty one,

(01:39:04):
January the first, and New Year's make it illegal with
their hefty five and every other time in yes, that
includes Duali, So keep those tips coming through. On nine
two ninety two, But keen to hear how Guy Fawkes
has been or five weeks have been near your place
this year. I've got to say it feels like it's
been a little bit tamer. The security in Auckland on
the various volcanoes has been pretty top notch. Usually that

(01:39:27):
goes a bit crazy on some of those those mountains.
But so far, so good by the sounds of it.
But keen to hear from you on one hundred and
eighty ten eighty headlines with railing coming up, it is
twenty eight to.

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Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, and we are talking about
firework sales. So this is after a family saidly lost
their beloved dog on the very first day that firework
went on sale. The dog was spooked by fireworks, fled
and was tragically run over when it ran onto the road.
So it's prompted the family to call for changes in
how fireworks are sold and used. And another story about
a whole bunch of students. They were having a fireworks

(01:41:22):
fights down and Dunedin, as scarfees tend to do from
time to time, and when police and firefighters turned up,
they turned the fireworks on those emergency service personnel, which
is pretty full on and there's more investigation into that
particular incident. So the question I've raised is how do
we feel about fireworks sales to the public during what

(01:41:42):
is a particular dry time of year for New Zealand.
And yes, I got the texts and saying we're only
a couple of weeks in the spring. I get that,
but it is pretty dry out there. I mean, there's
another scrub fire in Canterbury today, not saying that was
caused by fireworks, but clearly it is getting into fire
season and selling explosives to the public during this time
a year in New Zealand to me just seems a

(01:42:03):
bit crazy, and I understand the historical context around guy fawks.
Is there any reason why we can't do it at
another time of the year. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
is that number to call? Get Mary?

Speaker 23 (01:42:16):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:42:16):
Magine? Sorry, Hey Maddie, how are you sorry?

Speaker 5 (01:42:19):
Hi?

Speaker 7 (01:42:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:42:20):
Hi? Yeah, that's all right. Yeah, sorry to hear about
that dog, but yeah, sorry, But I'm all for guy forks.

Speaker 6 (01:42:30):
I'm pretty old.

Speaker 18 (01:42:32):
But you know, the thing is is that we had
them when we were kurd to know and went on
about it. I mean, it's like you're taking that next
generations in the way. I just yeah, I'm all for
it anyway. And but what we do is we go
to this park and everyone just lets them off there

(01:42:55):
where it's there's no trees.

Speaker 7 (01:42:59):
You know, we're safe. And yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:43:02):
And another thing is that you know, people know that
it's going to be guy forks, So can they like
lofty animals or something.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
It's a fair point. Yeah, And there's a few texts
coming in that regard Meddi that it's a couple of
days that they sell the fireworks. But the hard part
is it's a couple of days of sales, but then
it is usually months of people letting off fireworks at
random nights, you know what I mean. As we get
into summer, they've still got the stockpile of fireworks that

(01:43:33):
are setting off anytime they like, really, and that can
be difficult for people with yeah, people with dogs. But
I hear what you're saying, and this is why I'm
torn on it that I actually don't want to be
the anti fun police. And you're quite right. I love
I loved fireworks as a kid, medi so and a
lot of people do. And when you ban something, it's
very difficult to get back. And it is a freedom

(01:43:56):
that we have here in New Zealand at the moment.
And perhaps that's a part of it. There's always going
to be dickheads in life and dickheads in society, so
as banning all fireworks to to everybody the right way
to solve it. But is it really that controversial to say,
maybe let's shift it to winter. Because you've got a
feel for the firefighters. There's a text here from a
volunteer firefighter one hundred and sixty six callouts last year

(01:44:18):
due to fireworks. You know, that's stretch thin as it
is here, it is, Hi, Tyler, I'm a volunteer firefighter.
I'd prefer only public displays, but if we have to
still have public sales, we should change the data sales
to Martariki the start of winter. Forget Guy Fawkes who
remembers him that is from Judy. It's a fair point,

(01:44:39):
isn't it. We can still have our fun, maybe just
not when it has the potential to cause wildfires. But
what do you say, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number to call? It is twenty one
to four. Back very shortly, come a chat.

Speaker 1 (01:44:52):
With the lads on eight hundred eighty ten eighty Matt
Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons news talk.

Speaker 2 (01:44:57):
Sa'd be we're talking about fireworks and boy oh boy,
just had hundreds and hundreds of texts flood through and
we've got full boards. So let's get straight back to
the phones. Get a Chris, Hey, mate, are you doing
very good? You're a dog owner? How do you feel
about the public sale of fireworks?

Speaker 14 (01:45:13):
Well, I'm all right with it. Like I know, like
at the end of the day in Dwale fireworks Christmas,
we know firecraker isn't going to go off and we
lock our dogs away you know, and that's what you
do as a responsible pet owner. You can't just blame
fireworks because you're not smart enough to lock your dog
inside or because you don't want to put your dog inside.

Speaker 20 (01:45:33):
Yeah, but as a pet.

Speaker 14 (01:45:35):
Owner, you should be responsible for that. I mean, I
understand that a dog running off because the fireworks and
he didn't run over is a sad thing. But at
the end of the day, there should have been a
fence or the dog should have been inside. Whether it's
five days before fireworks, the day fireworks go on sale,
I make sure my dogs are inside come dark.

Speaker 2 (01:45:54):
And that's very fair. And you're quite right, Chris, that
was a tragic situation with that dog, and nobody would
be you know, pleased to hear that. That is incredibly
sad for that family. But yeah, on the on the
on the day that fireworks has been sold, that is
a fair point. But what about going forward, and this
does happen that people stockpile and they set them off
kind of on random nights for the next month or

(01:46:16):
two months, that can be difficult. Maybe not for dog owners.
I think you can still manage that as a dog owner,
but for rural people with stock and horses. That's pretty
hard to deal with.

Speaker 14 (01:46:27):
Oh yeah, I can understand like rural people, but I
mean if you're in if you're in the city or
in the you know, in a in a town, you
kind of like I've known fireworks skulf at this time
of the year my whole life. I'm sure everyone that's
been alive does.

Speaker 20 (01:46:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:46:42):
So I can't blame people for doing the stupid things
they're going to do anyway. You've just got to mitigate
those those issues.

Speaker 2 (01:46:49):
Yep, very true. Well what about what about changing the date, Chris?
Would that mitigate those issues? There'll be people upset that
it's no no relevance to guy fawks, But does that
really matter?

Speaker 14 (01:46:58):
I'm very about like doing it. It must have eaten
at the beginning of inter for sure, for sure. But
Tibetan completely Well. I love fireworks, you know them off responsibly.

Speaker 7 (01:47:09):
Yep.

Speaker 10 (01:47:09):
I usually wait till they've got the.

Speaker 14 (01:47:12):
Patony Beach fireworks. But I think let's stop those now.

Speaker 2 (01:47:16):
Yeah, Chris, great points, absolutely, And just on that point
of shifting the date for it, there's always going to
be the dicky in factor. You can't get around that.
There's always idiots out there. No matter what you try
and ban or do or regulate or change. But is
it that controversial to say, let's just move it to winter.
Doesn't even have to be a madadiki, just back a

(01:47:37):
random day. I mean, do we really care about Guy
Fawks anymore? I mean I don't. There's probably a few
people out there keen to hear from you. If that's you.
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that
number to call? Get a he you go, Tyler, how
I'm good mate? What do you reckon?

Speaker 7 (01:47:53):
Yeah? Well, Guy Fawkes, there's no relevance to New Zealand
and never has for a start. I mean, you know,
five weeks comped out and made its way from China
to India and and about the same time thirteenth fourteenth century,

(01:48:13):
so it was a big part of Duali, you know,
as time progressed, not immediately, it took a few hundred years,
same as Britain.

Speaker 23 (01:48:23):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:48:26):
Now, I'm not a killjoy. I like a public display.
Nothing better than a really well organized, expensive public display.
It is awesome. Yep. I don't see how what the
relevance of I mean, given one that surely certain elements
wouldn't want to associate guy forks a colonial tradition to

(01:48:49):
mart rang at all. You'd have to separate that for
a start and let other people thrust that out. But
and the way to deal with dickheads is to stop
selling to the public. They'll run out eventually, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:49:07):
Do you worry tim that when you ban Once you
ban something at a government level, very difficult to bring
it back. And I know the Aussies they don't allow
the public sale of fireworks, and fair enough because that's
tend to dry at the best of times. But I
remember skyrockets and they've got banned I believe in the
early nineties, maybe late nineties, but they're never coming back.

(01:49:27):
It's probably for good reason, because those were pretty dangerous
if we think about it. But once once they're gone,
they're gone. Does that worry you at all?

Speaker 3 (01:49:36):
Now?

Speaker 7 (01:49:37):
I mean, it depends what they're banning, and I think
people all forget about it. Sain enough. You know, if
you have good organized public displays, say at March or
any time or in the winter or Ford Dwali, you know,
organized displays, I don't think people are going to bother

(01:49:58):
about not being able to buy biwaks.

Speaker 20 (01:50:02):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 7 (01:50:05):
You know, I mean it's a it should at the
very least, it should definitely be changed until winter, you know,
make winter stoles us or whatever it is, which is
much rangy anyway, So yeah, make it easter if you
want to. You know, you've got to call it something
different than Guy Fawkes, which really is never relevance to
New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
Yeah, I agree with that, Tom. I mean, look, I
get there's some historical context there with our ties to
the UK, but I you know, I couldn't really care
about the Guy Fawkes incident in relation to what we
do here in New Zealand now. And if we're really
that fussed about it, I mean, why isn't a public
holiday we can all take the day off to celebrate

(01:50:46):
the arrest of Guy Fawkes after he tried to blow
up the houses of Parliament in the UK. But I
think it's not a silly idea to just have it
a mataiki Chris, how are you?

Speaker 5 (01:50:56):
Yes, you've just summed it up for me. Why do
we celebrate this day? You know, truly they tried that
guy tried. Guy Fawks tried to blow up the House
of Parliament in England. Yeah, and I don't know why
we celebrated. It's kind of crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:51:13):
Well, to be fair, Chris, the celebration is around his
arrest and his failed attempt to blow up the houses
of Parliament. But you're right, I mean from a historical
point of view, I've got no real ties to that,
and if we know, if we were really being honest,
I think most of us don't really care too much
about that that tie, historical tie in relation to how

(01:51:35):
we live our lives in New Zealand. It's just because
we're allowed to buy these fireworks and they're fun and
we set them off. That's the part we care about,
so we can do that anytime.

Speaker 10 (01:51:43):
Of the year.

Speaker 5 (01:51:44):
Yeah, But I remember when I was young, my dad
died on my fifteenth birthday and mum bought us up
and she always used to celebrate guy forks and she
used to buy us the little you hold them in
your hand with it called.

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
Sparklers. Oh sorry, is it the sparklers?

Speaker 5 (01:52:06):
The sparklers, Yeah, that's what we had, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:52:10):
It's good save fun, the old sparkler's. But I think, yeah,
a lot of the guy fawks or the fireworks fanatics,
it's fair to say they want a bit more than
the old sparkler, but fair enough to Chris, thank you
very much. This teakes to says Tyler, You're completely wrong.
Are wrong, mate. My family has and always will enjoy
lighting fireworks together. It's a special occasion. We come together

(01:52:31):
for guy fawks more than we do for birthdays. There's
something special special about letting our fireworks off with your
children and family. It gives us something more to do
than just another bloody barbecue. I actually agree with you, Texter,
but my point is why can't we have the sale
of fireworks in winter where the poor old fire Service
isn't getting called out one hundred and sixty six times

(01:52:52):
a year as they were last year for fireworks related incidents.
That's my point. You can still sell them and have
a good time, just do it in winter when it's
not bone dry across the country. But what do you say, Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to
call back in the mo It's ten to four.

Speaker 1 (01:53:07):
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Speaker 2 (01:53:15):
That'd be it is seven to four Jennifer, how are you?
How are you not too bad at all? So you
excuse me, You've got horses, So how do you feel
about guy fawk season.

Speaker 24 (01:53:29):
I'm not against Guy Fawk's. I grew up in a
family where we let them off every year and we
just manage it. What is the troubling thing from most
horse owners because we have to put so much thought
into stabling the horses for that period of time. It's
like a lot of your other callers have said, is

(01:53:49):
all the idiots that let them off between then and
god knows when later in the year. It's just it's
just hard work and you never know when you're going
to get hit.

Speaker 2 (01:54:00):
Yeah, And I think that's that's the whole part about this,
Jennifer is I think most ordinary keiw Weis are not
too fussed about the same fireworks. But when you're an
animal owner like you are with the horses, it's the
ability to stockpile and set them off intermittently over the
next couple of months, right, And that is very hard
because you do the right thing as a horse owner.
I take it you make sure there's things in place

(01:54:22):
too that your horses are safe. But that's very difficult
to do if you don't know when they're going to
be set off from now until New Year.

Speaker 24 (01:54:31):
And the other thing is like we're also on a farm,
so come in December around New Year's time, which is
another popular time for them to be let off. That's
when we commonly have a lot of standing hay in
the paddocks. And it's just such a continual worry that
somebody from out of town is going to come from

(01:54:51):
in town. It's going to come out of town and
let off a whole bunch of fireworks. And you know
when you're talking about hectors and hectors and hectors are
standing hay, it can go up like a yeah, it's
just devastating.

Speaker 2 (01:55:02):
Yeah, absolutely nicely said Jennifer. Thanks very much for giving
me a buzz.

Speaker 5 (01:55:06):
Dan.

Speaker 2 (01:55:06):
We've got about sixty seconds. What do you reckon?

Speaker 23 (01:55:09):
Okay, I'll give you an example. I want to lead
the fireworks, but before I do, I better ring up
the fire brigade because I know I'm going to burn
my house down. That's how nonsensical they are. Okay, it
how fireworks to the public. Oh, by the way, we
better get the fire brigade ready because we know that

(01:55:31):
he is going to be fires. I mean, how nonsensical
is it?

Speaker 2 (01:55:37):
Well, yeah, I'm hoping not too many people burn down
their own homes during fireworks season. But I get your analogy,
and hence why I don't think it's a crazy idea
to just have it in winter, Because you've got to
have some risk in society, and you've got to allow
people to celebrate things they want to celebrate, and you
can't ban everything. And as I said before, there's always
going to be the Dicka factor. So with all that

(01:55:57):
in mind, you have to allow people to do some
things they want to do. But just a bit of
common sense or you know when I'm not talking about
banning the sales completely in ruin everybody's far. Just some tweaks,
just some tweaks to make sure that there's not going
to be crazy wildfires every year.

Speaker 23 (01:56:15):
Surely things that make common sense make common sense, Like
you don't have light a fire in your house because
you know you're got to beat in your house down.
You don't have fire worse because you know they're gonna
set a fire. One hundred and sixty six Cary, You've got.

Speaker 10 (01:56:34):
To be jad.

Speaker 2 (01:56:37):
Love your passion mate. Thank you very much for giving us,
giving me a bars right, that's where we'll leave it.
I mean, hundreds and hundreds of ticks coming through about
guy fwks. It's not going to be Banns this year,
probably not next year. So if you're out and about,
just don't be a dickhead with your fireworks and enjoy it.
And if you're setting them off with your family in
the backyard, go hard because you're going to be safe.

(01:56:58):
And that's a freedom that we've still got in this
country for the time being. Great show today, thank you
very much. It is November, of course, So a man
who had a great mo was Freddy Murcuryes a little
bit of queen to go out and of course with fireworks.
Don't stop me now.

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