Full Show Podcast: 05 December 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello, you got new seiders, and welcome to Matt and
Tyler Full Show Podcast number two fifty eight for Friday,
the fifth of December twenty twenty five. Heated back and
forth on the life jacket question, whether they should be
mandated for everyone on all recreational vehicles up and down
the country from some fantastic skippers who said, nay, yeah,
leave it up to us that No, we're doing out

(00:38):
the waters. And then we heard harrowing stories of the
horrors that can happen at sea. So yeah, you come
out of that and you can make up your own mind.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Then a little bit of chat about Santa's Little Helper
as well from the Simpsons.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
Love that.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah, dish lickers love the dishlic Dishlickers are great pets.
They are Yeah, lazy, fast, Yeah, thet'll sleep all day.
Yeah all right, okay, then.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Download, subscribe, have a good weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Tell everybody you seem busy. Will you go give the days?
Keep you from us? All right?

Speaker 5 (01:06):
Then?

Speaker 4 (01:06):
Love you big.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Stories, the leak issues, the big trends and everything in
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Speaker 3 (01:16):
The very good afternoon, do you welcome into Friday show?
Thank you so much for giving us a listen. As always,
we love you our dear audience, and we appreciate it
and hope you're having a great day. How you doing, Matt,
I'm doing very good.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Thank you so much. All your great new Zellas are
tuning into Matt and Tyler Afternoons on News Talk. Z'd
be for a.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Friday Yeah, now, mate, Just before you ender the show,
I got to say I had a great night last
night that you said to me. He says, Hey, do
you want to come out, Not to a weeknight, a
school night, but you want to come out, have a
couple of beers down at the local bar down in
Morningside and then go to a gig. And I'm like, hey, yeah,
I'd love to go to a gig. So the beers
were lovely and your friends were great. We had some
good chats there. Then we mosied Old Old, We mosied

(01:57):
over to Big Fan in Morningside and we watched a
fantastic gig featuring one of your sons.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah that's right, Big fans fantast stick venue in Morning
Side that's been started by Joel Little, who's the very
successful New Zealand song writer who wrote Royals and a
bunch of other huge hits written for Tyler Swift. Very successful,
so decided to give back to the New Zealand music
community and young talent and he built this place called
Big Fan, which is a beautiful venue and recording studio.

(02:28):
It's a non profits situation where bands, young bands can
play on a big, beautiful stage with incredible sound in
a nice venue, something that most bands when he was
growing up didn't get a chance. So my son was
playing at their venue, and I've got to say that
that whole Big Fan thing has been great for both
my kids. One of them, they've got this thing called

(02:50):
Ignite with a help kids that are interested in music.
One of them wants to be a band manager, so
he's in that program with them, and you know, he
was managing and one of the people that was putting
on the gig and my son was in one of
the bands that was playing at their gig, and it's
just so cool what they're doing at Big Fan.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
An amazing space, and I've got to say for a
Thursday night. There was a good crowd there. It was pumping,
it was good atmosphere. Yeah, my bartender was loving it.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
My son that was promoting the gig, he was marching
up and down, you know, counting the counting the receipts.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, it was a good operation.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
But how good mate, I mean your your your boys
band Tangerino got to say, young Charlie's got a great voice,
great great voice, and the band is awesome as well.
And then the group after them, which were called Group Chat.
I wrote it down again. Geez, the level of talents
out the out the gate.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah, it is. It is crazy how good kids are
these days. And it's awesome to see, you know, them
having an outlet like that where they can play and
their mates can come along. And and yeah, I was
a proud dad. I was a proud dad for both
of them, both, both the one on stage and and
the one that was running the door last night last night.
So thank you for coming along.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Tyler, No, thank you, mate.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
We love it lovely to hang out with you and Maye.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, and if you're in Auckland, honestly go and check
out big fan fantastic bands down there and as you say, Maddie,
they do some fantastic work encouraging the up and comers
so to speak, say how good?

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, and look, you know, just being a proud dad.
When Tangerino's new singles out on Monday, I'll give you
I'll bring it up on the show. So tell you
how you can get hold of a chance to listen
to that. You're a good man, yes, just in case
you like Tangerina.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Fantastic looking forward to that right onto today's show because
it is a Friday, after three o'clock the moment many
wait for new Zealander of the week.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Who will it be today?

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Nine nine too, if you've got a nomination, also after
three o'clock because it is that time of the year.
Christmas parties are starting to erupt all over the show.
In fact, there was one just over the road last night.
But we want to have a chat about there's a
story in the hild right now and it's titled the
ten Office Christmas Party Characters. Which personality are you and
which one do you not want to So we kind

(05:09):
of want to have a chat about, you know, the
various people that you may come across during your Christmas party.
The various characters that come into play after they've had
a bit of a skinful.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Do you know who you don't want to be at
a Christmas party? The dude that gets incredibly steamed and
then you know, gets up in the face of the
boss and complains about everything about the company is punishes
the boss. I've seen it at so many Christmas parties.
You just look over and you see the boss just
punned up against the wall with some absolutely steamed punisher,

(05:41):
like going on and on about small issues around the company. Yeah,
just just have a good time. That is the worst.
The other advice that I've learned over the years because
I used to always get out the front of the pack,
way out of the front of the pack early, yep.
And and you know, wake up the next day and go, jeez,
just what was on the table? Don't have a toilet
seat around my neck? Yes, said yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Photos.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
So now I think you don't want to be at
the right at the back of the pack. You don't
want yeah, you want to just operate in the middle
of the back if.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
You know, yeah, you can get there pacing down pat Look,
you may get out and win the race in the end.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
You don't want to get too far out in front early.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
So true, looking forward to that after three o'clock. After
two o'clock, Water Safety New Zealand is urging all of
us as kiwis, to help strength and propose life jacket
rules for children and young people. So there's submissions on
a new bill underway as we speak, and the legislation
focuses on mandating life jackets for people under fifteen. As
you can imagine water safety right behind this. They've been

(06:42):
long behind life jackets in general. But that's what we
want to have a chat about. Have we got our
life jacket legislation right?

Speaker 6 (06:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Are we still being you know, what's the word. There's
a word for it. I'm struggling for it, but I
guess I'll describe what it was like when I was
a kid, right my dad's we had a little trailer sailor.
He was very safety conscious. We'd get out of the
car and he'd make us put on our big orange
life jackets before we even got on the boat. Yep,
before we even climbed into the boat. We had our
life jackets. Humiliating and admittedly, you know you've got a

(07:11):
mass wing around and there was a good chance getting
knocked off whatever when we're going about or whatever. But
it did seem and I remember being embarrassed because I
saw on some of my friends down at the launch
and I'd have my life jacket on. I'd feel a
bit embarrassed about having the life jacket on because everyone
else was not wearing a life jacket. And this was,
you know, a few years ago now, yeah, a number
of years ago. But it does seem quite crazy, how

(07:34):
embarrassed I was just to put on something, especially trying
to sail around Dunedin. Yeah, I mean there's some there
were some rough waters we were going out.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
It is choppy seas down in Dunedin.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
So is there still a stigma about life jackets? Do
you think that the life Jackets rules are too harsh
or do you think that they should be blanket?

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah, looking forward to that. That's a big one after
two o'clock. But right now, let's have a chat about
rentals and landlords. So rental prices have fallen to their
lowest level in two years in September, so that's prompted
some landlords to offer incentives to entice people to viewings.
But speaking after a Select Committee, a little bit earlier
this week Chris Bishop, the Housing Minister. He said rented

(08:16):
should be taking advantage of this current current market. He said,
I quote, I'd encourage people to go and negotiate with
their landlord. If they think they can get lower rents,
they should because that will be good for them and
it will be good for their own back pocket.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Thanks textra nine two nine two. Yes, the word I
was looking for was pedanic o nice. Didn't come to me.
The article speaks again, didn't come to me. Yeah, thank
you for that. Yes, So we got a text in
the last hour and it's course a little bit of
a flurry of reaction on nine two nine two. If
you are the kind of person who oh hannate you

(08:51):
if you negotiate with me as a potential tenant, I say,
jog on, suggest to me you will be an annoying
tenant going forward. So there are some lendld out there
that have that attitude. Jane hit back against that texture
to that tossus is Jane who said he'd tell a
potential tenant to jog On if they ask for a
rent reduction. He'll be waiting a long time to secure

(09:13):
a tenant better off getting paid a lower rent than
getting no rent. Typical greedy landlord. It's all about money.
Shots fired landlord here. It was mentioned on your program,
wouldn't you want to keep a professional, well paid tenant
in your property. Professional people and good jobs don't necessarily
make good tenants. In fact, it has been opposite experience
of such for me, lazy, dirty and costly. If someone

(09:35):
tried to bargain the rent, they could find another property
rent not interested.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Right, keep those teas coming through a nine to two
nine two. But that's some passion right there. If you
are a landlord, is there how you feel that if
a tenant comes to you and sees, hey, the market's
down a little bit, I want to renegotiate. Are you
thinking in your backy head? Nah, I'll just get somebody else.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
They're going to be a problem for every single part
of this thing. Yeah, it depends how long your property's
been on the market exactly. So if you're hemorrhaging money
and the idea, I hate the idea that landlords agreedy landlord's.
You know, most landlords are good people that are just
trying to secure their future. And most landlords are also well,

(10:14):
a lot of landlords also topping up the rent to
cover the mortgage. Yep, definitely in those houses. So I
pushed back on the idea that the majority of landlords
are greedy. I'd say very small percentage are yep. But yeah,
the negotiation part with them. If they've been waiting for
four months and they're hemorrhaging money, yep, then you know

(10:37):
they're not going to tell you to jog on exactly.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
If all they wanted was a twenty dollars reduction per
week and you've let it sit at arguably seven hundred
bucks a week for a couple of months, you know
you're losing out. There is a landlord, so love to
hear from you. If you're a landlord, do you incentivize
the good tenants? So if you get someone who's actually
really good and they look after the property and you've
loved them, they may not come to you and say,
I think we should have a lower rent, but you

(11:00):
might be the one to go to them and say,
we like having you here, we think you're good people.
We see the market's gone down, and we think it's
fair for us to say, hey, we're going to drop
the rent a little bit. Loved it.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
There'd be good will oozing out of the walls. Yeah,
if you should happen to start the conversation yourself as
a land land, wouldn't you. But also on the widest thing,
if you're the kind of person who can or even
enjoys negotiating, I would like to hear from you as well,
what are your tips? Because if you negotiate rent, then
surely you're the kind of person that's walking around negotiating everything.

(11:31):
Just for people out there that are listening that ever
end up doing business for me. I don't negotiate. I
pay the price on the ticket.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
You've let it slip there.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
I'm just a people pleaser. I want to make everyone happy.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
It is seventeen past one, oh one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that number to call the.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
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Speaker 3 (11:55):
It'd be news talks. They'd be very good. Afternoon t
you twenty past one. So we're talking about negotiating your
rent or as a landlord. Have you ever gone to
your tendant and say we love you and we're going
to give you away incentive and drop the rent because
the market's gone down.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
To all those people that are believing that current narrative
that's put out in the market, in the media and
the world at the moment around landlords somehow being bad.
People like everyone can own a house right off the
bat that they don't have to rent at some point.
I always think about this. When I first moved to Auckland, right,
I couldn't buy a house. I was broke, I had
absolutely no money. I had to live in a shed.

(12:30):
I had to live in a shed on Ariki Street
just to do the job I wanted to do up here, right,
And then eventually I rented a house. What do they
mean that there's something wrong with landlords? How was I
supposed to live anywhere if there weren't people that were
willing to buy houses and rent them out to people. Exactly,
how are poor people like me supposed to get a hit?

Speaker 3 (12:49):
And as I said to you, I'm technically a landlord
at the moment, and I'm losing money. I am losing
money on that house because I have to rent up
here where it's not paying for the mortgage and for
the insurance and everything else.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
When you ever hear a politician or just a person
in general saying that about landlords.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Boo, yeah, exactly, Yeah, shame on you people.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
What are your real motives for saying that?

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Exactly?

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Ask Peter your thoughts on on landlords and negotiation.

Speaker 7 (13:17):
Yeah, fair as well, compliments of the season, I suppose
when you start saying that.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah it's December. Yeah, yeah, compliments of the season as well, Peter,
And just.

Speaker 7 (13:29):
Well on one of the other tip, because there's just
a one liner, you know, you know when you say
hey to someone. When people say that to me, it
doesn't annoy me, but I say no, thanks for just eating.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Very good, good enough.

Speaker 7 (13:41):
Yeah, but getting on the rent, I don't only proper
investment property for rentals is and residential, but it's a
pure supply and demand and you're better off having someone
in there as long as they don't trash the place
or anything and they reduce rent and nothing at all.

(14:01):
Hanging out for twenty bucks is only a grand a year,
which ain't much in the scheme of things. So good
friends coming down, so be it.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, yeah, I mean apart from this one texture that
came through before and said they say jog on if
someone asked for some money off, but I don't think
it would. I mean, like a real, you know, solid
landlord is not going to be offended by you saying, well,
you know, I've just been looking around at the market
in this area. I've been doing a bit of investigation,
and I feel like the rent that you're asking for

(14:34):
at this particular place is a bit higher than the
market rate. So could you give me all? You know,
I suggest this amount?

Speaker 6 (14:41):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
I mean that landlord's say use or no.

Speaker 8 (14:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (14:44):
I mean a solid landlord will sort of know that
stuff himself, probably, so yeah, I mean so yeah. I
mean if if he's outer another twenty but Council of Health,
it's showing a pretty dumb landlord.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah. Well, if you don't have a tenants in there
and you've got week without rent, if you're.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
A landold, I don't negotiate it, no matter what, even
if my house sits empty for six months, I will
not negotiate. It's not not a smart landlord.

Speaker 7 (15:08):
And with interest rates going up or down, it doesn't
really affect the rent too much because it's a marketing.
Rents can't say borgage rates of seven percent the rent
that can't afford to pay the extra for the landlord
to pay the mortgage. You know, you're going to go
from say six hundred a week to eight point fifty,
which is which will be a bridge too far because

(15:30):
the market can't handle that. And it's the same with
rates and insurance that goes up, but the landlord can't
really pass all that on because the tenants rate won't
be able to pay it.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (15:44):
Yeah, but you know, you get you get into these things.
It should be eyes wide open. You know it's going
to be ups and downs. But you're only in there
for the capital gain. Really, the rent. The rent is
just to help pay the mortgage. You want the capital gain.
That's where you get the money from at the end
of the day.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Yeah, a lot of truth in that, Peter. So you've
been a landlord yourself, Ah, I've got.

Speaker 7 (16:07):
A couple of little warehousing type and it's commercial.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Would yeah, commercial is slightly different. But would you ever
maybe it's not. Maybe commercial is very similar. Would you
ever go to a tenant who's been really good and say, look,
I think the market, you know, what your paying might
be a little bit high in terms of the market value.
I'm willing to reduce the rent or even you know,
a nice gift at the end of the year.

Speaker 7 (16:31):
Yeah, I mean I do, I do that. I mean,
if someone leaves, I'll just have to go by what
the market says. I'm not interesting in getting the hot
squeezing every little bit out to get the highest price.
I'd rather just have it but lower and pretty well full. Yeah,
I mean, couldn't. You don't have to worry about Christmas
presents for commercial.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
But yeah, yeah, fair enough to.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Thank if you call Peter and merry Christmas to you.
A good tenant if I have one, I give a
week's free rent coming up to Christmas.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
That is generous.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
See, that's what good people out there. Tyler's the landlord,
he's a good person.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Sometimes I eight hundred eight, I've got to think about
a Christmas gift for them. Actually, yeah, the day, yeah,
your days, Yeah, the whole week is very generous. So
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Love to hear your thoughts on this and also generally negotiating.
Is that something that you've got a neck for or
do you find it a bit awkward? Love to hear
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Speaker 3 (18:10):
It is twenty eight past one, Sir christ Biship, the
Ministry of Housing sears tenants should be negotiating with their
landlord for lower rent when the market's a bit soft.
If that you love to hear from you on oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty if you want to
text nine two nine two is that number.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
I'm a landlord, but I also rent, love renting. I
own a decent house and tour Bay, but rent away
better place on the water and Herne Bay. I definitely
can't afford to buy that house I live in, but
I can rent it. Landlords and rentals are great. Merry
Christmas Fellers, Merry Christmas Brees. What capital gain? Boys? House
prices are twenty percent down in twenty since twenty twenty two,

(18:46):
high prices, So that game. Yeah, I mean, that's the
situation for a lot of landlords right now. So they're
not own they were not only in the rental markets
and topping it up, you know, trying to sort out
their futures. Then the property prices dip and they're topping
up something that's going downhill exactly.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Insurance has gone up, rates have gone up, but their
house price has gone down.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Guys, it's up to each individual situation. Many landlords rent
their homes through a property manager and they would be
subjected to market prices pretty much. Is a George? I mean,
is that the cowardly way to go?

Speaker 3 (19:23):
It definitely is to not negotiate yourself one hundred percent.
If a property manager says, I think it's worth this,
but you know it's overpriced, then that's up to you
to say the property manager.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Nah, na na, Nah, you been greedy, Molly. You want
to talk about being a negotiator in general?

Speaker 11 (19:38):
Yeah, well, curled the boys. I've got a couple of
things here. So I'm a landlord. I'm a millennial gen
Z landlord. So I'm right on the cart night. And
so I live with my two tenants, and I have
a dock, and on that dock it's got the exact
price of my insurance, the exact price of my rates,
and the exact price of my mortgage payments. And I'm

(19:59):
really transparent with them, and we split that evenly between
the three of us. And when I had to reseax,
we talked through the options and we stood that together.
And so they know that, you know, we might have
to reflex or whatever. It might go up, it could
go down. But I keep them in the loop with it,
so they know exactly where their money is going and
what I'm spending it on and all of that.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Some So, Molly, with your situation, are you just trying
to break even essentially, and you know, ride the capital
gains if they should come.

Speaker 12 (20:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (20:33):
So I just I just yeah, I'm real transparent. I'm like,
I don't think I should be making money off them,
you know. I mean I bought the house, but most
of the bank did it for me, you know, I
just had a little bit put towards it. And also
I've actually put them both in my wills because we
moved in straight after I bought it, and they have
been paying a third of all of it. So if

(20:54):
I was to die randomly, I feel like they deserved something.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Wow, that's interesting. What what if something breaks in the house, Molly,
is it is it you that's straight there on the
phone of the plumber and paying for it?

Speaker 11 (21:06):
Well, we kind of haven't. We've kind of got an
agreement together because it isn't my name. So if it's
something like householdy, like I broke we broke the sink
that does the sucky up, you know, the sink what
are they.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Called and sinc oratory.

Speaker 11 (21:19):
Yeah, we broke that, and I puted the bill to
that because it is my house on paper and that's
the benefit to my house. But when we had a
party and the deck broke. We went thirds because it
was our guests who broke, right.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
What about things like you know you're in the house
and yeah, I know one of your one of your
housemates is going away. I'm just imagining a situation here,
so beer with me. It might be a weird one.
Just the first thing that came into my head. They're
pulling a suitcase down the hallway. It's grinding along the walls.
You know, would would you have a word?

Speaker 13 (21:52):
Yeah, I'd have a word.

Speaker 11 (21:53):
I had one of my flatmates put hooks in the
wall but then got the wrong fit and then like
just smashed a whole bit of like plaster out of
the wall. And I was like, well, that's on you
before you move out, and he was like, yep, yep,
no that's fair. Put a poster over it for now
because I don't care. Six right now's in his room,
but before he moves out.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
And what if one of your flatmates, what do you
call them renters the landlord?

Speaker 11 (22:20):
They they call me that as a as a slur.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
What if they came to you and said, Molly, I
am bloody skin, I've lost my job and I can't
pay the rent. Could you could you give me a
substantial discount so I can keep going and stay here.

Speaker 11 (22:38):
Well, I then check my savings and go, I'm probably
just as skinned as you, so should we both call
your mum or your dad.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
You're a great landlord slash flatmate, Molly.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Great strategy.

Speaker 11 (22:49):
And my other thing about bargaining is I got the
best advice in my life and I live by this
advice every day. So as I said, I don't like
phone calls and I don't like confrontations. So I've lived
my life never ever but bantering or bargaining for anything.
And one of our family friends said to me, he
was American, to go do it in the voice, he said, Molly,

(23:10):
you get half of what you ask for and none
of what you don't. And that was that for them,
and I was like, holy moly, that's so true. The
worst thing that could ever happen if someone says no
to me, and that's not a big deal. But the
best thing that could happen is I get my outcome. Yeah,
all the listeners out there, you get half of what
you ask for and none.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Of what you've done, they might as well, that's pretty
that's good advice, Molly. What about this sort of I
guess for the want of a better term, with the
passive aggressive way to go around it. You talk to
your talking to a potential landlord, and you go, is
this the best you can do? You know, price wise?
Is this the best you can do? Because you're not
really getting half of that. You're just sort of floating

(23:51):
the idea that maybe they want to offer up a
little less.

Speaker 11 (23:54):
Yeah. But then they'll either go, yes, it is the
best sorry, and you go all right, didn't get my way,
or they'll go, actually, thanks for bringing that to me.
I'll ponder, and then you're still, you know, good a
little limb.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah, or maybe you should be a little bit more
forceful Molly and go I don't think this.

Speaker 11 (24:08):
Is your rates and your insurance.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
Meet me halfway here, you know, come on, I think
you do a little bit lower discount for cash.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
I just don't think this is the best. That would
that would come across really condescending and probably get their
back up. And you said, I don't think this is
the best you can do, but yeah.

Speaker 11 (24:25):
I guess you've got to ask.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, I guess do your research, right, So you talk
about how you you know you have all those details
with your the people that live with you, so they
know exactly what's going on. I guess if you're going
into a negotiation, it's handy to have the information on
hand to know what a good market rent is. What
do you what do you say to?

Speaker 11 (24:48):
Sorry? Trying to make a profit Like that is the
whole point of them owning the house. They are genuinely
trying to make a profit, whereas my job is to
house people I love so we can live. Paint the
walls if.

Speaker 8 (24:59):
We want to do.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
What do you say to the text to here that says,
oh dear, oh dear, poor Molly taking all the risk
and giving the tenants all the benefit.

Speaker 11 (25:08):
It's Dave, Well, what's what's rescue? My tenants love me.
We're having a great time. We haven't a really communal house. Yeah,
you know, maybe I'll call back one day if they
ever betray me and it all goes.

Speaker 5 (25:21):
Probly roight.

Speaker 14 (25:23):
Me.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
You're great, please do would love to hear from you again, Molly,
Thanks so much for the call.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call if you're a negotiator. Love to hear
from you. If you are one of those people that
heckl on everything. But also when it comes to rental,
have you ever gone to your landlord and say I
think you need to reduce the rent? And as it works?

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Interesting as this TEXTA points out that Molly said that
you know her generation doesn't like phone calls, and yet
how confident and good was she on the phone to
one hundred and eighteen eighty superb.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Yeah, I wish she was my landlord. It there is
twenty four to two.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Jus talk said.

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Speaker 3 (27:10):
Thank you very much for a lean So Chris Bishop,
the Housing Minister, says tenant should be negotiating with their
landlords to get a better deal when the market's off.
So if that's you, if you've gone to your landlord
and says, hey, I'd like some cheaper rent because I
think it's a little bit overpriced. Has that worked? One
hundred and eighty ten eighty This.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Texas says all landlords are scum. Only an elitist like you, Matt.
Now it says only an elite like you, Matt would
pump up the tires of the greedy.

Speaker 16 (27:37):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Well, text to what do you mean? Elite, elite broadcaster,
elite in the sack. You have to be more specific
on what you mean by an elite.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
It's quite a compliment those first two.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, well, I'm just going to assume until you text
back and that what you meant by an elite. Yeah,
I'll assume it's either an elite broadcast or or elite
in the sacks.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
Then well you don't, mate, you deserve that.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Thank you so much for your text. And look, so
we were talking about this text before. That was a
landlord saying that. He tells I'm just trying to find
the text here, but the basic upshot of the text
was as a landlord, he tells people that us to
negotiate to jog on because he thinks they'll they'll be
asking for more and more while they're a tenant. Yes,

(28:19):
getting a lot of pushback on that landlord from other landlords.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Right.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
This six says I'm a mum and dad landlord bought
for one hundred and seventy eight k and now worth
five hundred charge only three hundred eighty a week, identical
unit next door tenant paying market rate five point thirty.
I keep rent low as perfect tenant being there for
twelve years.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
See that is a lot of good landlords out there.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
We are landlords with good tenants, and our rent is
always below market. Tenants appreciate it and look after our
properties because of it.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number
to call on the landlord side of things. And there'll
be thousands and thousands out there. If you get a
good tenant, and do you want incentivized? Do you give
the old Christmas present at the end of each year? Generally,
when we rented out our place because we needed to
because we're moving up here, I wanted to be that landlord,
and I think mostly we are. When there was some

(29:09):
problems going on over winter, I suggested that we could
reduce the rent to make up so to make sure
they went out of pocket for what was going on.
Property manager, I think it's their job to try and
negotiate on our behalf, and I don't know how I
feel about that. I'd prefer to just say the right
thing to do is to do this. Please do it,
take it to the tenants, and hopefully we can smooth
it all over.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
But because you're worried that the property manager will just
leave you hanging on the line while they're trying to
get a higher percentage. Or is it because you are
a very good person Tyler? Well, yeah, well, good question.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
I don't know. I just think their job is to
well correct me. Property managers correct me if I'm wrong.
But I think many property managers think their job is
to get the most for their clients aka the people
that own the home, and so far the middleman and
the landlord says, hey, look, I hear they're having some
problems here. I'm willing to buy a dehumidifier or reduce

(30:00):
the rent. I just wonder if some property managers to say, hey,
this is our job, we will negotiate with the tenants.
You don't have to do that. That goes too far,
Which is a strange thing for me, because I think, hey,
I've made the offer here. I think it's fair. I
know I'm paying you for your expertise, but I don't
know if I really want to hear if you think
it's fair.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah. The interesting thing about, you know, negotiating too hard
if you're a landlord is a factor of how long
your house is empty, because if you're getting nothing in
there for a month, then you know, you're better to
drop the rent a little bit because that's a big hit.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Right, Yeah, heck you. Oh e one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that number to call.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Been a landlord for thirty years between one and three
houses found if you give a good deal, take care
of the house and treat tenants well. Run on the
low side of the market rate. Chuse tenants carefully, you
get a good run. Have had tenants that have stayed
in the house for fifteen years?

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Good text that right. Coming up after the break, we
have a chat to Martin. He's been a leasing agent
in Auckland with twenty two years experience, so he'll be
a good man to chat with. Great to talk to Martin,
sixteen to two.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Your home of afternoon talk and Taylor Adams afternoons call.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk, z'd be.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
It is fourteen to two and we're talking about negotiating
rent with your tenants or on the flip side if
you're a tenant with your landlord. Oh one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is that number to call. And we
mentioned before we got Martin on the line. He's been
a leasing agent for twenty two years in Auckland Kidda,
Martin good A.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
How's it going your thoughts on the current market and
potential tenants negotiating with landlords.

Speaker 8 (31:39):
The market's definitely changed. The market has corrected itself, in
my opinion, the old days of twenty thirty forty people
at open homes all buying for one property has definitely changed.
You're sort of getting one or two people to properties
now they've got plenty of choice. There's been a lot

(32:00):
more new builds, We're losing a lot of people overseas.
Migration numbers in New Zealand have come down. So all
of that's acting.

Speaker 17 (32:10):
The demand.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Right. And so with that in mind and Chris Busship's
suggestion that tenants should negotiate, now, you think it's not
quite as easy as that.

Speaker 8 (32:24):
I think that what you see a price listed for
online is not necessarily the price that it's been rented for.
And in my experience in the last probably six months,
a lot of tenants will come to a viewing with
the negotiation in their back pocket. Now some will be
very upfront about it right from the word going. I mean,

(32:47):
I listed a property about three weeks ago and it
was online for four minutes and two people run me
to ask if it was negotiable. So that's a new
thing to have such a quick response about the renting
negotiable as opposed to people coming and seeing the property
if they like it, weighing it up with other options,

(33:08):
and then saying, hey, would you consider twenty thirty dollars
less a week?

Speaker 12 (33:12):
Now?

Speaker 2 (33:12):
It wasn't so long ago, Martin that we were hearing
stories in the news of you know, forty to fifty
people turning up to rent properties and a huge amount
of pressure on the supply. Everyone needs someone somewhere to live.
So what's happened there is there is there less people
looking for somewhere to live, or what's happened with the

(33:35):
just the numbers pressure.

Speaker 8 (33:37):
So there's a few things that have changed. For instance,
in my area, we do a lot of rentals for flatty,
so you know, groups say twenty to thirty years old
with they might want a three or four bedroom house.
A lot of those houses or those flatting situations are
breaking up, and what I'm hearing is they're all going
to you know, Australia because it's you get paid more

(34:00):
money or h yeah, yeah, I mean, or people are
saying that they're saving for a house, so they want
to they want to spend less. Or people are able
to afford to get mortgages now, I mean, since the
truth States has come back down, people are now finding

(34:22):
that they can buy when maybe six months ago or
a year ago, they couldn't afford to buy. And so
I am dealing with quite a few lease breaks at
the moment. So those are people who have maybe signed
up for a twelve month lease that have suddenly found
their ideal home they've brought it. The only sort of
advice I give around that is, before you pulled the

(34:46):
trigger on a purchase, you do need to sort of
talk to your landward or your property manage it to
gauge how hard it's going to be to re rent
that property you know within your lease, to find someone
to take over. You know, the last thing you want
is to be paying a brand new mortgage and still
paying rent because the landold or the property manager hasn't
been able to replace you with some who's willing to

(35:09):
pay what you're paying. You might have rented it in
February and you want to break your lease in August,
and it's a completely different market. It could be, you know,
worth one hundred dollars less. So we do see a
lot of that, and it's a lot of pressure on people.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
How the things to said, Hello, rent bidding is illegal?
What do they mean by that? So what can landlords
do around around the rent? They can't go around the
room and go find the person that's willing to pay
the most. Is that correct?

Speaker 7 (35:38):
Man?

Speaker 17 (35:39):
Look, people do it.

Speaker 8 (35:41):
We do not. It's not with legal but it's certainly
not something that we would practice. If we advertise a
property for seven hundred dollars a week and ten people
turn up and there's five applications and one person says, hey,
I'll pay seven to fifty, I would normally go back
to them and say, look, that's actually not okay because

(36:04):
all the other people that have applied, they've applied within
their budget. Now before it sort of became illegal, I
guess you may. I mean, the only fair thing to
do if you were going to do that, which I wouldn't,
would be to go back to all the interested parties
and say, hey, look, someone's offered an extra fifty dollars.
Are you able to match that? But I think that's
unfair because you've in good faith, come to a property

(36:27):
that's listed at a certain price because that's within your budget,
and all of a sudden you're being bumped off your
perch because someone's got more pain power. And it could
be because they've got better jobs. It could be a
group compared to a family, you know what I mean.
So I think that in order to gain people's trust

(36:49):
and respect, you need to be decent. You know, the
price is the price.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Yeah, you sound like a great leasing agent. I'm glad
to hear that.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Yeah, friendly face of leasing agents there, Martin. If you're
lucky enough to deal with them, then good for you.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
What a good man. Right, got to play some messages
back very shortly. Oh eight undred eighty ten eighty is
that number to call?

Speaker 2 (37:10):
And the text has come back with that clarification on
whether they what they meant by elite, whether they meant
I was elite in the sack. We'll share that next.
It wasn't elite in the sack.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Weather eight to two.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams
Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Envy afternoon to you it is four to two.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Hey, hey, guys, that's a good reference to that story earlier.
We might go into later. I'm a landlord commercial residential.
If a residential tenant comes to me and wants to
move because they feel that they can get a similar
property cheaper, I would be happy to look at that
and negotiate a new rent that aligns with the market.
If it's a tenant and I want to keep them,
I would probably agree to refix the agreement for a
new twelve month period. If it's a tenant I don't want,

(37:55):
I'd be happy to let them move on. Cheers Paul.
That all makes sense. Hey, We're going to keep this
topic going because we've got a bunch of calls on
the line on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. But
keep trying if you want to get through. And I
said I was going to address the texter who called
me an elite yes for my support of landlords, and
I asked whether they meant elite in the sack or not. Yep,

(38:18):
I need a bit more time to address that, so
I address that after the news.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Oh, this is going to be spicy looking forward to
this and needs to be addressed all right, stay tuned
for that, but still taking your calls of course on
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty and text
as well nine two nine to two. Really keen to
hear from you if you've been in a position to
negotiate Newsport and weather is coming up, stay right here.
We'll be back very surely.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams
Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 18 (38:55):
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Good day to you. Welcome back into the show and
we're carrying on our discussion about negotiating with your landlord
or indeed if you're a landlord offering incentives to keep
good tenants. This is on the back of Housing Minister
Chris Bishop. He said a little bit earlier this week
after Select Committee that with rent prices down or the
market down the lowest and two years in September, now
is the time to go to your landlord and say, hey,

(39:18):
do you want to give me a discount because I
think it's overpriced. Can you hear your thoughts on Oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and the text number
nine two nine two.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
No more housing crisis then national have solved that one says, rees, well,
does seem to be a drop off in rents, otherwise
we wouldn't be having the story.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Yep, and haven't heard that housing crisis for a long time.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
The rents was a serious issue in the news not
so long ago. I have rented in Ponce Toby Auckland
for fifteen years, says Steve, and the landlord has not
increased the rent one dollar. However, she has advised me
that the property VALUEO has gone up three hundred percent,
and therefore, when she eventually goes into a retirement village
or dies, the capitol game will be far more than
the increasing the rent and possibly having unreliable tenants. The

(40:00):
six says, Hey, guys, I'm a small landlord and I
can't afford to keep lowering the rent when tenants try
to negotiate it down. If that continues, they'll have no
choice but to sell. When small landlords are pushed out
large corporate investments, vistas buy properties in bulk, and they
end up controlling the rental market, often driving prices even higher.
In the long run, it has the opposite effect of
what people oh sorry, the opposite effect of what people want.

(40:24):
Cheers Dave. No negotiation. My tenants are great, but I
have had to spend thousands on healthy home standards, plus
huge rates and insurance increases year on year. Considering selling,
there's no capital gain now and poor yield. That's from Mark.
The six is property managers are dirt bags. The higher
the rent are, the higher the profits. So yeah, we're

(40:47):
talking about negotiating with a soft rental market. When you're
going into a new place, is it wise to read
around and find out what the market rate is and say, ya, Yaked,
just shave a little bit off there, buddy, Just a
little bit off there there.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
Buddy, undred eighty ten eighty. Now to risk the elite ticks.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
I've I've got to finish this plashing story. Okay, this
person said all landlords are scum. Only an elite like
you met would go into bat and pump up the
tires of landlords. And I asked the text to just
for a little bit of clarification, what do you mean elite,
elite broadcaster, elite in the sack? You have to be

(41:28):
more precise on what you mean by elite texter yep,
and good on the Texas because they came back. Good
to clarify what they meant by elite, and the textas
says I clearly did not mean an elite broadcaster, or
as you so vocally and crudely put it vocally.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
We are on radio.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
You have to sort of vote, I mean mostly have
to vocally put it good in the sack. There will
be a complaint about that language, by the way, I
mean elite as an hard right fascist.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Fascist again, so thank you for your clarification. But as
me saying great in the sack? That offensive?

Speaker 3 (42:06):
How would they know if you're an elite, you know, like,
you can't be making assumptions here just you don't even
know Mett.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Yeah, well no they weren't. They weren't saying I was
great in the sack. Oh okay, right, But is it
that offensive to suggest that someone might be saying I
was leaked in the sack?

Speaker 19 (42:21):
You know?

Speaker 2 (42:22):
If so, I've now said it probably at least three
more times because of your complaint.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah. Also, you could argue that trying to censor me, well,
it's not fascist, but you'd have to argue it's closer
to fascist than saying most landlords are good people just
trying to get by, you know, which, which started the
original debate again. Fascism inception, Yeah strikes again. Yeah, but
I'm so disappointed because I did assume you meant elite

(42:47):
in the sack.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
That is disappointing. If you think Matt is an elite
lover nine two nine two, I'm sure you'd love to
hear that.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Yeah, Oh, do you think I'm an?

Speaker 3 (42:56):
I don't know. I don't know. I don't I assume
you're pretty all right, You're okay. I reckon maybe six
out of ten. I don't know, just an assumption.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
I'll be happy with six out of did Katrina, Welcome
to the show.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
Hi, Hello, just talking.

Speaker 20 (43:11):
About property managers, a specific real estate agent that we
won't comment on which one it is. We were being
nice to when COVID hit. We were in the financial
no to be able to give them free rent for
quite a few months, and the real estate agent kept

(43:36):
saying no after that finished, No, you need to increase
that to get your money back, and we said no.
But over that time when we gave them free we
weren't getting any money, but the real estate agent kept
the commission. So I think they're just out to get
the money. We were being nice that they were being nice,

(43:58):
and they keep emailing us all the time saying you're
too chief and your rent you need to put it up,
and we say no, no, no, So it's got to
get pushy people because they're just out for the percentage
to put the money up. And then every time you

(44:18):
got to pay the water ball, they charge your ten
dollars just to push a button to pay a water bill.
It's just like, you know, you've been with them for
so many you know, it's probably thirty or thirty odd years,
and to be treated right there, I think it's just
a bit rude.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Would you ever consider running the whole cut of yourself, Katrina?

Speaker 20 (44:38):
I am thinking about doing that, yes, yes, but I
just now we've got very good tenants in there, and
the real estate agent doesn't know why I actually know them.
So that's why I am going to take it, you know,
I mean take it over. But just to work out
how to transfer the tenancy bond and everything over to us,

(45:02):
I've got to get my head round there to be
able to do that.

Speaker 6 (45:05):
And yeah, there's one thing, what do you.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Like this negotiations? Katrina? In your everyday life? Are you
the kind of person that's that haggles or you know,
looks for a better price or fights your corner.

Speaker 20 (45:19):
Yes, yes I do.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
So you wouldn't have any problem with a tenant coming
to you and saying and asking for you know, a discount,
and you're going no, no, no, no, this is the
amount of money that we need.

Speaker 20 (45:33):
It would be different on the situation, your situation, if
you've got to go to your if you know that
you're higher, I mean we're low, we're lower than the
going rate, like we're for a three bedroom house on
a full section in have a current I'll say, and
we only charge five hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Nice just on the property manager.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Think Katrina, and it sounds like you've been you know,
in the game for a while now and you know
the rules and regulations. But for someone like me, and
I've got to say, we've got a really good relationship
with a property manager and seem to have a good
relationship with whoever the tenants are, but we don't know them.
And I think when we look at what we have
with the property manager, it's about maintaining that relationship with

(46:17):
our tenants. So if it does get if there's things
that pop up, we're not at loggerheads, if you know
what I mean. They're there to protect that relationship so
things stay on an even cure when there's problems.

Speaker 20 (46:28):
Yes, yes, well we did have one problem and we
did have to pick somebody else and she stopped paying
the rents of water and everything and damage the property
and the real estate agent had to take it to
the district Tribunion to get the the water and the
areas and rent. But they forgot to get the damages.

(46:52):
So we were out of pocket for that because they
get bond. You know, I don't know if they even
go to the bond back to them that we were
out of pocket about two and a half thousand dollars
worth of damage that they could.

Speaker 11 (47:08):
Know.

Speaker 20 (47:09):
So the real estate agent woman working for us, right,
they got the water and the areas and the rent.
That's not to fix the damages or my clean up
the mess that they left. I did all that. So yeah,
so some when you you know, when you've been loyal
to a company, and when they do that, yes, I

(47:31):
do have to. But as a stay to try and
work out how to transfer the money over from the
Tennessee thing that I will have to do it. So
I have to just too much money going, like my
brother does own it and he's overseas and so he's
not his pension money because he doesn't get pension from

(47:54):
New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Yeah, Katerina, you sound like a really good landlord. All
the best with taking over that from your property manager.
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Love to hear your experience as well.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Cat textan and she says she's looking for an elite lover. Catters. Okay,
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Speaker 3 (48:13):
You come to the wrong place. Care It is sixteen
past two.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Your home of afternoon Talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call,
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
News Talk said, be afternoon to you eighteen past two.
Negotiating rent with your landlord or as a landlord incentivizing tenants.
Love to hear if you do that. At one hundred
and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Chris, welcome to the show. Your thoughts on setting the rents?

Speaker 6 (48:41):
Hi, get back to the guys. How you first time
caller here, So I'm a little bit nervous, so bear
with me.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Welcome and mate, you know what, thank you so much
for trying us out on our eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. I hope that we provide a service that
will keep you coming back again and again. Chris.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
Yeah, we love you already, mate, Thank you very much.

Speaker 8 (48:58):
Hey.

Speaker 6 (48:58):
Look, so I've been renting for the last twenty years,
still renting, and I've seen the market change up and
down the net time we've got on from when we
first started renting, renting off landlords, and then when we
moved into a place about five years ago, we went
with a leading agent, so within this was before they

(49:24):
changed the law where they kind of just put the
rent up when they wanted. So within we signed a
one year lease and within four months of being in there,
we've got a letter through saying the rent was going
to go up, which at the time we thought, well, jeez,
we've only been here this little while, you know, and
it only went up by fifty dollars, and we thought, okay,

(49:45):
that's that's fair enough, you know. But you know, we
went into that place at a two ninety five and
when we moved out it was five ninety five, and
that was over four years that went up that much. So,
you know, being with these leading agents, they feel really
predatory to me. So it was almost on the day

(50:07):
that they could issue you was the email to say
it was going up. There was one, and you knew
it was coming, you know, you just had that vibe
that was coming. Sure enough, within a couple of days
you had an email that's going up, fifty bucks, sixty bucks,
seventy bucks, whatever, it was going up, you know. And
when I questioned after about the third one, the leading

(50:31):
agent the property manager said, look where there's a law
that says we can only put it up if the
average price in the area you.

Speaker 18 (50:43):
Live in.

Speaker 6 (50:45):
Is rising. So what I would be really interested to
hear today is when you are talking to a leading
agent again and stuff, if you could find out if
that average they take is off their own stock. So
let's say like we're in Hamilton, for example, Let's say
they have thirty hellses that they let and have to neast.

(51:10):
When they gate that average rent in, the average increase
and you get the letter saying, you know, we've looked
at the average and it's going up. Are they looking
at all the all the houses in that area or
are they just looking at ones on their books, Because
it seems to me that it's obviously, as you call her,
a ludacy. Before they're getting a percentage, it's in their

(51:30):
interest for that percentage to creep up all the time.
And I've actually rung rung landlords, got hold of their information,
wrung them and said, look, this is the third time
you put the rent up. Why are you putting it up?
And they said to me, I didn't even know it
was going up. What are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (51:49):
I see what you're saying there. And I know that's
been the perception that if the market, you know, the
whole market goes up inch by inch, then everybody pays more,
whether that value is there or not. But just in
our own circumstances, Christ I'm just trying to think that
through that when we floated it and put it to
the market and it was at a certain certain price
and we got no bite, so instantly we knew that
we've got to lower that because it was it was

(52:11):
overprized by the property manager. So to us, that was
kind of testing the market because we didn't know. We
put the expertise in the property manager's hands and we
got it wrong the first time, and we adjusted accordingly.

Speaker 6 (52:22):
Yeah, yeah, but it just seems from a rental's point
of view, it just seems like it's been driven by them.
And we found it out, like I said, when we
called the landford and say, hey, you know you've made
no improvements. We keep it spotless. We're good tenants, and
we know we're good tenants. And their reaction is why
didn't know it was going up? I didn't instruct them

(52:42):
to do that. So obviously there's three parties involved in
the rental, and one of them is driving the rental
increases because they've a vested interest in it. And I
just feel that that's, you know, a little bit predatory.
And when you hear comments from Chris Bishop saying, oh,
it's a great time to negotiaate, I feel like he's
living on bloody Mars, because in twenty years I have

(53:05):
never ever had the option of bringing a landlord and saying, look,
you need to drop their into that. They just wouldn't
ever do it, you know, because they put brushes on
them for mortgage payments. They've got to have a little
bit in the in the kissy there in case, you know,
quite verse or something like that. But I think I
think comments from Chris Bush up by that are just
absolutely like just unbelievable. You know, it just wouldn't happen.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
Now.

Speaker 21 (53:32):
First, sorry, I was going to say, first up, if
that's if that's you nervous, Chris, I've got to say,
you're a high level operate, Yeah, you know, this is you,
how you operate, and when you're nervous, then I got
to say, well.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
You're leading a lot of things.

Speaker 17 (53:47):
By the sounds of it, I'm starting to sound like
a fascist.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
One thing I would just say, though, Chris, is there
is a higher than zero percentage chance that the landlord,
when you talk directly to them, will say what they
want you to hear. And one of the reasons why
they get their property managed because they want someone else
to be the bad guy so they don't have to
deal with confrontation. So there is there is that possibility,

(54:14):
did you think.

Speaker 6 (54:14):
Ye, it's almost like a shield, isn't it between the bodies,
you know. And look, I've had some really good property
managers and and some shocking ones over the years, but
like the leading agents themselves work really hard. You wring
them and they're onto things by in my experience straight away.
But yeah, I just feel, you know, so they do

(54:36):
in their money. But I and there's obviously the cost
to the owner to say we don't want to have
to deal with any of us, We just want to
buy the property, rent it out, you know, and have
no dramas. I can completely understand why they do that,
but there's a big difference as a renter between renting
off a renting off the owner and renting off the

(54:56):
leading agent.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Yeah, thank you for your call, Chris, call again anytime
I worked undred eighteen.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
Eighty Absolutely what a good man. Right, Taking more of
your calls on that number nine two nine to If
you want to send a text back very shortly, it's
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Speaker 3 (55:18):
Afternoon two year it is twenty eight pass two.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
So if it's true that rents are coming down and
there's room for renters to negotiate, then surely that is
some that's pretty good news for renters, and it sort
of wipes out a new story that was going around
for a very long time. We were hearing about a
lot of pressure in that market. But if you want
to fear a deal, you want to be armed up
with data, don't you. You want to go along and
you want to say, look, I've looked at prices. I've

(55:42):
been on and looked around, sniffed around in the area,
and what you're asking is above the market rate. So
could you sniff something off or maybe give me a
little something something, a little something bonus here and there,
add a little this here, that and that.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Just a week sweetener, Yeah, come on, sweeten the deal.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Did you have a heath, have a heat pump in there,
something like that?

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (56:02):
I mean, what's the harm in asking? Except for very
few landlords that have come through and have said that
they would tell you to go on, I think most
of them are going going to be open to a chat.
Of course, you want to be in the position to
be able to take it or leave it. Yes, I
mean it's if you're not in a negotiating position, if
you desperately need it and you've got no other option.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
It's got a negotiation one I won isn't it. If
you don't get what you want, you're gonna walk away.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
To be desperate, You're got to be You're gotta be
on the way at the door. Yep, exact. You go oh,
you could give me a heat bump.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Great discussion. Thank you very much to everyone who called in.
Texts coming up after the headlines. We want to have
a chat about life jackets. So there's currently a bill
open for submissions that focuses on mandatory life jackets for
any one under fifteen years old. But water Safety in
New Zealand they want to go much harder. They want
a single consistent rule requiring life jackets for everybody. What
do you reckon about that? Oh, eight hundred and eighty

(56:52):
ten eighty is that number of call? Nine two ninety
two is the text? Headlines are coming up?

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Speaker 3 (58:24):
Thank you very much, Raylean. So a parliamentary bill is
now open for public submissions. This bill proposes mandatory life
jackets for anyone under fifteen. Water safety However, are calling
for a universal nationwide rule requiring people of all ages
to wear life jackets on recreational boats and water craft
to discuss further. We are joined by water Safety New

(58:47):
Zealand Chief Executive Glenn Scanlon. Glenn, thank you very much
for your time this afternoon. Oh just had a problem
with the phone. Got you now?

Speaker 8 (58:56):
Hi?

Speaker 2 (58:56):
You again, struggling to click the phone on there. Welcome
to the show, Glenn. Why have adult boat ees historically
resisted compulsory life jacket rules in New Zealand?

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Glenn, Well, I don't.

Speaker 22 (59:08):
Know historically resisted. I think what we've got is a
situation where we've got a national law at the moment
that is quite weak, and then we've got a bunch
of regional rules which will do slightly different things. And
I think potentially some people are just simply confused. I
don't have all the regional rules in front of me,

(59:28):
but I'm confused trying to understand them myself. And I
don't think that's a good place for anyone to be in.
I think there's also just a little bit probably of
sort of ingrained behavior that key we know she'll be right,
attitude that we've taken too many things.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
What is the evidence that supports a universal national standard?

Speaker 22 (59:47):
Well, I suppose if you look at the data and
we've got quite a lot. Since the year two, four
hundred and twenty three people have drowned on craft or boats,
nearly eighty percent of those who're not wearing a life jacket,
So that's three hundred and twenty three people, which gives
you a good idea. In the last last year there

(01:00:07):
were people, oh sorry, eighteen and this year sofo, we've
had eleven who weren't wearing a life jacket at the time.
I think the trick is no one expects to be
in the water and be in trouble, and by the
time you're in the water and in trouble, it's too
late to find that life jacket.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
But that can that be blamed on regional by laws
though don't most people know what's happening in the area.

Speaker 22 (01:00:32):
Yeah, yeah, I think that contributes to the confusion. I
think there's also the national law stool, which is weak,
and you know, it says that life jackets have to
be carried and worn only when the skipper deems it
necessary or in some slightly high risk or high risk areas,
like when you're crossing a bar and stuff. So I
think you know, what we're asking for is or seeking

(01:00:55):
when the draft bill goes before the ZE Committee and
then they do the deliberations. It is actually a common
sense approach which would make it really easy for everyone
to understand what they need to do. Ultimately, it is
about behavior you change, and we think you'll get more
of that if the law or a change law of
plays to people who are over fifteen, not just those

(01:01:17):
who are under it. And we think it's a great start,
but we'd just love to see the opportunity to grab
because it probably isn't. Once in a generation chance we
saw it was the sworming paul fencing laws and that
to our child around is by almost eighty percent.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Do you think there is pressure on recreational skippers if
they've got them on board as the regulation requires them,
but then they ask their mates to maybe put on
a life jacket and get a bit of stick. Does
that still exist out there? Do you think?

Speaker 23 (01:01:42):
Well?

Speaker 22 (01:01:42):
I think you could probably apply that to many many
social situations actually, and yeah, I think it probably does.

Speaker 15 (01:01:47):
Look.

Speaker 22 (01:01:47):
I was on Instagram this morning before work on looking
at some pictures of an old work colleague who was
out on holiday somewhere and all of the people on
the boat none of them were in a life jacket,
and I thought, ah gee, I wish you all had
a life jacket on.

Speaker 17 (01:02:06):
That would be great.

Speaker 22 (01:02:07):
I haven't measured them yet, probably will later.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
As a blanket ban a bit blunt. What about when
you're anchored in a bay and your kids are swimming
off the boat?

Speaker 22 (01:02:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So we're talking about what we're saying
it should be when diesels are underway.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Yep.

Speaker 22 (01:02:22):
So if you're if you're anchored, Arthur, if you're a porch,
if you're in a berth, we're not saying you should
have a life jacket on. Then I think that makes
reasonable sense. It is when you're out and out in
the water and underway, because that's mostly when trouble occurs,
when when boats are in motion.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Can you go back in Timelin and tell my dad that,
because he used to make us put our life jackets
on when we got out of the car before we'd
even back the trailer, the trailer sailor into the water.

Speaker 22 (01:02:50):
He sounds like a very sensible berth.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
Good skipper took it seriously. Yeah, it's a lot of responsibility.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
As some big old orange life jackets back there, I
tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
Yeah, he should have made your weather before you got
in the car on the way to the boat ramp,
to be honest as on too.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Yeah, yeah, you're right, if he had his way, we'd
have our life checkers on in the bar.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
Yeah, just on the You know, if this comes into legislation,
what you're pushing for here, and obviously the bill is
underway for the mandatory under fifteens to wear one. How
does that get policed? Are we talking fines here? If
you are caught by I know coast Guard don't quite
have those bowels. Maybe they do. How would you police that?

Speaker 22 (01:03:25):
Well, certainly it wouldn't be up to us the police,
and we don't see it as a police center or
the issuing of infringement notices type of approach. I think
you're probably more looking if the law has changed and
enacted that it's actually about education and information. And I
don't think that as through any of the other parties
who are asking for the bill to be changed as

(01:03:46):
it goes through, anticipating squads of people out there issuing tickets.
I don't think that's the way. I think it's going
to be more through some investment in education, some investment
in some lighte jackets and availability as opposed to that
something is sort of you know, it is issuing fines.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
We're talking to Glenn Scanlon, Chief Executive Water Safety New Zealand.
What sized boats are we talking about here? Just to
make it clear.

Speaker 22 (01:04:15):
Yeah, well, so the bill is talking about boats six
meters or less. We would actually like it to be
on all recreational crop crafts and look, Coast Guard New
Zealand's lined up with us on that too, and I
think probably quite a few people will. It just makes
it simpler and easier to understand what do you mean.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
By a recreational clas craft? Are we talking a big
old launch?

Speaker 22 (01:04:38):
So look, that's in your own ownership, So it's not
The definition is not one that I understand completely, to
be honest, But that is in your own ownership. It's
not a sort of a business owned. Is my understanding,
but I'd have to probably go and check because I
don't have the exact definition.

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
Glenn. It's been really great having a chat with you.
It's very interesting and we're getting a lot of texts
coming through the are they looking Look, I think you're
getting a lot of support, but then there's a bit
of pushback as well to be fear Glenn, And that's
that's kind of what we like. We like a good debate.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
We'll hang on this.

Speaker 22 (01:05:13):
One and look, she will be debate and they should be.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Which is one second, this person says life jackets. I
would go further and mandate crotch straps on all life
beckets and floatation vests. A British tourist, a girl's body
was lost for days as she raised her arms to
her rescuers, but slipped out of her life jacket because
no crotch strap. So where do you sit on crotch
straps part of the pun?

Speaker 22 (01:05:37):
Oh, Look, they're quite highly advised by a lot of groups,
and certainly Coastguard suggest them in quite a lot of situations.
So it's sensible.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
What about this one? So we need a lord to
keep your family and yourself safe. Society is stupid, Laws
are stupid. People are dumb. That's from Ryan. So that's
that's that we're giving you a spectrum here.

Speaker 4 (01:06:00):
Yeah, yeah you are.

Speaker 22 (01:06:01):
Look, I think Look, societies often make decisions to put
in place rules that help people overall. Sometimes they choose
not to, sometimes they choose to, and we've done that
in the past for example a round seat belts and
bull fencing laws and they have made a massive difference.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
Yeah, Glenn, it's very interesting and we're going to open
up the phone lines now, but really appreciate you coming
on and having a chat with us.

Speaker 22 (01:06:25):
No pleasure, have a good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
Yeah, you two, you do great work. That is Glenn Scanlon,
the chief executive of Water Safety New Zealand. And of
course we are taking your thoughts on this mandatory life
jackets for everyone on a recreational boat. What do you say,
yay or nay? Love to hear from you, Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
The fact your dad made you put your life jacket
on immediately when you go to the car possibly says
more about you at the time rather than your father.
That's true.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
I was I agree, I was the only one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
I was a trouble trip. There was always a problem.
There was always an issue. There was always something stupid
being done. There was something being unhooked, there was something
being thrown overboard, there was always a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
I'm restrained that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
It was more of a straight jacket type situation.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
Eighteen to three, the issues that affect you and a
bit of fun along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
Matt Heath and Tyler after News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
Said it is a quarter to three. We're talking about
mandatory life jackets for everybody water safety in New Zealand
and calling for that. What do you say, one hundred
and eighteen eighty to number Craig, welcome the show.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Your thoughts on this?

Speaker 24 (01:07:21):
Yeah, okay, guys, Like I'm against it, you know, for
for a number of reasons. Actually, I'm yachtie myself, and
you know, I'm a skipper. I've got a season, I've
got and you know I I take the responsibility of
my crew pretty seriously. But I think that by making
it mandatory, you're taking away the last sort of bastion

(01:07:45):
of choice. Really, like when you go out on the water,
you're away from.

Speaker 17 (01:07:50):
All the rules and the laws.

Speaker 24 (01:07:52):
And you know, we don't have licenses on our boats,
which is another really good thing. Like I'm a boat
master and a yacht master, but I'm dead against also
having licenses on boats on pleasure craft like they do
in Australia. And you know, with regard to lifejackets, I
just think it's it's choice. Leave us to choose and

(01:08:13):
make those decisions ourselves. Don't force us to wear lifejackets.
You know, A good example is you know this Sunday
is going to be beautiful, there's not going to be
any wind day. You're out during the day, why would
you why would you wear lifejackets? You know you can
see everything. You're traveling at a slow speed. If you

(01:08:33):
fall over, then you know, if you fall off the side,
then there's a guy turns around and comes to get you.
I don't really see.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Any curse as a skipper, Craig. Are there times when
you insist that people on board put on life jackets?

Speaker 24 (01:08:48):
Absolutely? Yeah, at night we always wear life beckets at
night because it's a lot harder to spot somebody when
they go overboard at night. Also the conditions as well,
like if it's really really rough. It's generally my rule
of summer Soviet twenty nine. I make the crew where
a life checkert particular, we're running the gear like running

(01:09:11):
spinnakers off the bow like you know, but when you
go out of the cop but if you're if you're
if you're on the crew, I make the guys real
life it because there's there's a higher risk of your
getting knocked over. But it's just it's I think I
think taking that decision away from skippers. Is just it's
impinging on our on our rights, and it's and for me,

(01:09:35):
the sea is the last the last bastion of our
our personal freedom.

Speaker 20 (01:09:40):
Right.

Speaker 24 (01:09:41):
You don't have to there's no speed limits you you know,
you get to do what you want. You're the only
real of our life.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
You're a salty old You're a salty old sea dog,
aren't you great? It's in your blood. But so you're
a knowledgeable skipper. You're thinking about things, you know what's
right and wrong. But you you must have seen the
amount of muppets that are out on the water doing
stupid stuff and getting themselves into trouble. So do you

(01:10:11):
think that this law is a blanket rule rule to
try and save people that don't know what they're doing
out there.

Speaker 24 (01:10:18):
But the thing is the markets won't listen to that
rule anyways. You know, you know, you're kind of it's
like the tar wagging the dog. Right, you're making a
law to try and stop people from being stupid, But
you know people are still going to be stupid regardless.
You know, you know a lot of people won't we'll
just refuse to wear their life tackers. I certainly wouldn't
change anything if there was a blanket rule, I would

(01:10:40):
still continue to make the decision as per normal, and
I would think that most of those these would anyway.
Most bodies are pretty good, to be honest, you know,
they're pretty responsible. They don't need to be told what
to do.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
Well, most bodies are craig. But surely must be able
to describe what's the stupidest thing that you see out
there on the water that people do?

Speaker 24 (01:11:04):
What's the what do you.

Speaker 18 (01:11:08):
Well?

Speaker 24 (01:11:08):
I think you know it's probably knew me. Like you know,
you've you've come into a ton of money and you
go and you buy your forty foot ribs and you've
got absolutely no bloody idea and you learn everything the
hard way. There's some pretty funny, funny things that happened,
but they could also be dangerous. But that's just I
don't know. I think I think you're taking away that

(01:11:30):
last opportunity for people to just kind of learn by
making their own mistakes.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
Really, I mean, obviously, sorry you carry on. I was
just going to say, I mean, look, most most of
the laws we have in this country, it's it's there
to sort out the dumbasses of society. It's just reality,
right that most of us know how to operate safely,
like seepbouts and not drink when we're driving and all
the rest of it. So the laws out there are
to protect the idiots in life. And it's the same

(01:11:57):
with the life jacket thing. But the idea of a license, Craig,
and not so much of a license, but you know,
mandatory day skip of course before you go out on
the water. Would that be a better way to do
it so that the people and people who become skippers
they know if anything goes wrong, you're in deep, deep
trouble and it's on you as skipper.

Speaker 7 (01:12:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:12:16):
Look, I think doing a mandatory day skipper's cause is
a good thing. It's pretty easy to do. You can
do it online, you know, coast Guard you said, a
coast Guard offers fabulous courses online, so it's very easy
to do.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
Both.

Speaker 24 (01:12:30):
My boys have done it, you know. And then and
then you may find it and people will find interest
in it and then go on to maybe do a
boat master, become more you know, and and you learn
a lot by doing those those horses and the tutors goods.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Yeah, right now, Craig's speaking of salty. Do you mind
if I introduced you to some of the salty feedback
that we get on the text back on the text
machine on nine two nineteen.

Speaker 24 (01:12:58):
I'm sure I'm getting I'm sure I'm for it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Craig sounds like a wally. This Dexta starts these kind
of guys, always desperate for some sort of imaginary freedom,
freedom dot dot dot idiot. Craig, A man, what do
you say to that?

Speaker 24 (01:13:17):
Where do I? Where do I start?

Speaker 25 (01:13:19):
Right?

Speaker 17 (01:13:20):
Just leave us alone?

Speaker 24 (01:13:22):
You know where everything's fine?

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
Right?

Speaker 24 (01:13:25):
You didn't you told you're not going to change if
you make a mandatory rule on life jackets because half
to three going to listen anyway. Yeah, I just don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
Well, thank you so much for your opinion, Craigay, Look,
there's a lot of pushback on what Craig has to say.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
Come on through I one hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
To tell you what what I would say about Craig is,
if he's the skipper of your boat, you're probably going
to be safer than on most boats that you're on.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
Exactly. I'll definitely go out with Craig. He sounds a
good man.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
The problem is the large amount of absolute morons out there.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
And there's a lot of them. Our eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is that number to call? It is
eight minutes to three, beg very.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
Shortly, the issues that affect you, and a bit of
fun along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
Talk said, we're talking about mandatory life jackets. Nineteen nine
two is a text.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
Len had to turn your microphone and these are the
muppets we're talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:14:20):
Out there.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
People can't even turn their microphone on like that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
We need a law for that. We need some fines
going on.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
If you see me with the captain's hat on, just
don't get on the boat. Life jacket or not. James says,
I'm a fan of the crotch strap. You know, that's
the one that goes under so you can't slip out
of your your life jacket. Makes sense, but I guess
it depends on what scale you're running down there on
medium round the round the chest x x x x
L down below. Well, thanks for.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
Sharing, James, Yeah, good on you mate, well done. It's
something to be proud or loose your thoughts.

Speaker 24 (01:14:51):
Yeah, modey, you live.

Speaker 7 (01:14:52):
Change is here.

Speaker 19 (01:14:53):
Craig points here, Well, I've had a couple of mates
all over over the board that night. Life jackets die,
you know the Jones. Don't forget you can't get out walk.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
Mm hmm yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 19 (01:15:10):
And if you're miles away from whatever you think you're
fitting everything else, you try swimming for about three or
four days.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Aldo you meant sorry to hear about sorry to hear
about your mates loose, that's that's there must be rough.

Speaker 19 (01:15:21):
Oh yes, that was years and years ago, but it's
experience and that's what we know now. Don't play that
card again.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
One hundred percent and so true. You know, like a
lot of people on boats are not wearing life jacket's
got jeans on and clothes that weigh them down. And
you're just you know, if it's stormy weather and seas,
you're not lasting long with our life jacket.

Speaker 19 (01:15:39):
Yeah right, you know what understand that's what happens to
a storm. And you know, look big enough pencil, they
just went over the side.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Well, thank you so much. We call loose. But we've
got to go to the news headlines. So we've got
a bit backed up here. So should we continue on
with this after three o'clock.

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
Tile I reckon We're going to give the people what
they want and plenty of people want to have a chat.
But can you hear from you? Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty compulsory life jackets? Are you for that? Or
again it if you want to send a text? Nine
two ninety two is that number? Really keen to hear
from you? New Sport and weather is fast approaching. I
hope you're having a great Friday afternoons. Stay right here.

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We will be back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
Got you your new home are in stateful and entertaining
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Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
We'll get out of you. Welcome back into the show.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
We're just twenty three minutes away. Now, let's say thirty
minutes away from the New Zealand of the Week we
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the Week award that we give to a great New
Zealander every Friday.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Yeah, it's the moment New Zealand waits for and it's
not far away. So is this still time for submissions?

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
Okay, so submissions have closed coast Yeah, yeah, the judges
have decided and it's going to be announced about twenty
five minutes. Looking forward to that, right, we are carrying
on this discussion about mandatory life jacket. So to bring
you up to speed, there's a bell that's now open
for public submissions that would make it mandatory for life
jackets for anyone under fifteen. What a safety In New Zealand,

(01:17:15):
they say, now's the time to go full hog, a
universal nationwide rule requiring people of all ages to wear
life jackets on recreational boats and watercraft. So they say, well,
I've got the stats. Actually, so between twenty twenty twenty four,
more than three hundred and twenty people drowned in a
boat or craft incident who are not wearing a life
jacket and they reckon. Twelve lives could be saved every

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year if this law came to pass.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
So the Sticks asks, hey, guys, can you find out
how many people actually drown in a boat through not
wearing a life jacket. It seems to me that half
the people that drown fall off the rocks. They're not
even on a boat. Whenever I'm out in the raft,
it appears to me that lots of people have life
jackets on if it's a calm lots of people don't.
As Craig said, most people use their own judgment as
to whether you should wear one or not, and most

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people probably don't come unstuck. However, if they're falling off rocks,
it probably won't help.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
So the stats in front of us right now from
water safety to New Zealand this year ten people have
drowned on boats or other craft without wearing a life jacket.
So that's ten on a boat or a craft which
would be a water ski, etc. But it doesn't you're
quite right, It doesn't give the facts on those who
fall off the rocks. So they've drowned without life jackets,

(01:18:26):
without life jackets. Yeah, yeah, so you know, I'm just
stat's always interesting. So they've drowned without life jackets. But
have they confirmed that they would have survived if they
did have life jackets? No, they have not. Yeah, which
is a good point. But can you get your thoughts
on this? I eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
If you're a boaty, how strict are you on making
your passengers wear life jackets? And is it a good

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idea to mandate it?

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Guys I'm from Apata and we launched straight into the
Tasman off Shipwreck Bay. Everyone takes safety very seriously, and
I don't have too many muppets around here. They seem
to be a bit closer to the cities. I would say, okay, God, Stephen, right,
is that true that closer to the cities there's more
muppet out on the water. I mean there's probably just

(01:19:09):
more people out on the water, so yeah, I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
Judging by the ramp activity, I'd say, yeah, there's probably
a lot of truth in that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
Well, yes, Craig was saying there, you know, close to
the cities, you're quite likely to see people that have
got a bit of money and just bought themselves a
bit of a state of symbol boat heating out there.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
Yeah, more dollars and cents.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
Yep, that kind of situation. What about that great story
was turned into a TV show with the locals? Where
was that? It was up north? The locals noticing some
people that were terrible and absolutely useless with I believe
it was the sea legs. Maybe I'm wrong, but a
very fresh boat. And the locals were like, how can

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these people be so useless with the boat? This doesn't
make any sense. And then more investigation it turned out
they were, you know, picking up meth drops off of
sure so in their system they had a lot of
you know, they were cash rich. They bought a flash boat,
but the people that were operating the boat. I'll find
out the details. There's a book about it. There's a
great TV series that out starring Robin Malcolm about it

(01:20:09):
as well.

Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
Yeah, Good Drug Dealer is Terrible Bodies. Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is that number?

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
Call bell? Your thoughts on life jackets in these in
this proposal, Well, I.

Speaker 17 (01:20:21):
Think they should be mandatory, But there's something that Craig
didn't really think about. Like he says, when they get
knocked off the boat, we'll just turn around and go
back and get them. Well, what happens if he's knocked
out and he's unconscious in the water by the time
they've stopped this bloody great yacht turned around or turned
around to go back and get him, the guy's drought.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
Yeah, So he was saying though that he would be
he would if there's if the conditions are rough at all,
then then he makes even on the boats, we're a
life jacket, So I guess.

Speaker 17 (01:20:54):
That's assuming it's rough. But if he does attack and
this guy gets hit by the boom and goes over
the side, it's not rough. He won't have a life
jacket on. He's going to drown, simple as that, would
he not?

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
I mean nothing, yeah, yeah, but he kind of sounds
like the guy. I imagine he's got a lifesaver on
board that he might jump at himself in that situation
because he is a skipper. You know, skipper's have a
responsibility that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
Saying, what if Craigs knocked himself unconscious? Are you saying
Craig knocked himself unconscious or the person in the water,
the person in the water? I see, Sorry, sorry I
totally misunderstood you, Bill. Sorry, sorry. Yeah, So they're just
they've been knockingimselves unconscious and they're just going down. Yeah well,
I mean yeah, and it could could take a while
to turn back ground. That's that's a there's an interesting point, Bill. Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:21:38):
So yeah, well he hasn't even for that, you know,
it's just just crazy. I've got a life jacket that
south inflates when it hits the water, which is good
and bad because if your cap side, you go straight
up to the upside down of the boat. You can't
get out.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
Yeah, so so a bunch of if a whole lot
of people are texting about this, and I hadn't even
thought about this. So what are the real dangers about
being trapped under a boat and you're so buoyant from
your from your life jacket? I mean, most life jacket's
a reason easy to get off, aren't they.

Speaker 17 (01:22:08):
They're not that easy. They're designed not to.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
Be too easy, some of them.

Speaker 17 (01:22:12):
Yeah, but it's like an aircraft. That's why they tell
you in a plane, don't inflat your life check until
you get out of the aircraft, because it fills with water.
You go straight up to the roof, you can't get out.

Speaker 3 (01:22:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
It's it harder to get the cross strapped ones off
than the other ones. I meagine it would be.

Speaker 17 (01:22:29):
Yeah, I think so. Some of them have got quick
release on them, and some of them are buckled. They've
got a stain of steel buckle which is quite hard
to undo.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
You sound like quite an inexperienced body bill.

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
Would that be creep No, not really, it sounded like it.

Speaker 17 (01:22:47):
I'm a passenger on a boat, but I've looked into.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
It and you're und you had a bit of a skier,
did you.

Speaker 17 (01:22:56):
Yeah, we were taking on water and I just thought, well,
maybe we're going to sink and I haven't got a.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
Life checket, right, So you were out on a boat
and there just wasn't in even like not not even
not on but not even on the boat.

Speaker 17 (01:23:12):
Oh they are on the boat, but there are most
of them. Keep them in the cabin, right and if
you're out the back, you've got to find your way
into get the things. And it was just it just
makes sense. And these self inflating ones are quite small.
They're not obtrusive at all.

Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
The other ones with the canisters, they're the canisters that
kind of eject and blow it up. You've got to
be careful of those, though, don't you, Because if you
take it out or been in storage and you haven't
checked the canister and then you need it and it
turns out the canister's got a leak or it's eroded,
then you're kind of stuffed.

Speaker 17 (01:23:44):
Well, you're supposed to replace them every twelve months, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Anyway, Yeah, gotcha, Yeah, but better than the old.

Speaker 17 (01:23:53):
On TV where that guy was needs to go to specksavors.
You're seeing me falls on the water and it south inflates.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
Yeah, the ones, it's good. What happens in he falls
off the boat and the jacket comes up. But I
can't remember what was the what's a punchline?

Speaker 17 (01:24:09):
Yeah, I can't remember either. He was walking down at war,
that's right, and he didn't see the end of.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
The war walk Oh that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right,
memorable about just you know, it doesn't make you think
about glasses, makes you think about life jackets.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
Good work from Specsavers with those ads. Yeah, very clever,
that's very clever.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
Oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call.

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
We are taking your thoughts on the idea of mandatory
life jackets for everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
Perfect example as to why we need life jackets, warn
a skipper stating he won't change a thing. If the
law comes into play, he should be leading by example. Yeah,
but it's you know, by their own you know, admission.
This won't be enforced. So the idea of having a
blanket nationalwide rule that everyone has to wear the life
jackets as just as an education initiative, really yeah, because

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I mean, good luck pinging people for not having life jackets.
When they're out in the you know, out on the
water exactly. I mean, who's going to see them?

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
Yeah, we don't have enough police boats for that. It
is a quarter past three bag very shortly. But taking
your calls, of course, I eight hundred eighty ten eighty
u's talk said, be s eighteen past three, and we
are talking about the idea of mandatory life jackets for
every one. Water Safety New Zealander is pushing it. Keen
to get your views on O eight hundred and eighteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
The percentage of people this would helps. Tiny people are relaxing,
some bathing, fishing, if it's rough, et cetera. Make the
call the skipper is responsible? Are we all having to
wear life jackets when we are going to the beach?
They what were they called? Again? We talked to the
guy water Safety New Zealand. Yep, yeah, it was great
man Glenn. Yeah. So they're not pushing for it when

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you're when you're anchored up in a bay and everyone's swimming.
It's only they're only pushing for it when the boat
is moving, correct, But thank you for your text. That
guy Craig is a total irresponsible muppet boat master ticket.
He got his out of a week picks packet.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
Okay, keep those teas coming through on nineteen nine, two.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
Week picks giving away boat masters.

Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
That makes it easy.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
That'd be good. But yeah, I'm going to try and
convince my mother in law to me let me, you know,
skipper boat over Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
I'll let us know how that goes. That is responsibility.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
So if I can get that that masters out of
a bloody week pick it, yeah, that'd be good. The
issue is should under fifteens all under fifteen should wear
life jackets? Absolutely? These young ones are more vulnerable than
anyone else. Now, what they're pushing for is for all adults. Yeah,
not just under fifteen.

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
Correct. So the bill before Parliament at the moment, it's
the submissions are open that may mandate it for under fifteen.
But Water Safety New Zealand says, no bugger that everybody should.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
And Gilly says, Craig's not the problem. He's an experienced skipper.
It's the muppets you see launching their tinny from the
launch ramp, three big lumps, no life jacket, puttering off
into the distance with the wind turning, white peaks getting bigger.
That's a widow maker situation right there.

Speaker 3 (01:26:56):
Beautifully written Kimberly, how are you this afternoon? I'm good
for you, really nice to chat with you. So have
I got this right? You work with Coastguard New Zealand. Yes,
I don't fantastic And so what's your thoughts when it
comes to life jackets mandatory life jackets for everyone on
the water?

Speaker 23 (01:27:16):
Yeh, Look, we I guess volunteers witness firsthand see the
intacts that we're in lifejckets were so we are eff
a casing for ye to life jackets for all ages
on all recreational crafts.

Speaker 26 (01:27:31):
When when the vessel is underway, what.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
Do you say to all the skippers that are texting
and saying, I'm a responsible skipper. I know when it's
dangerous and when it's safe, and it's my responsibility when
people put life jackets on or not because they feel
a little bit like, you know, we don't do anything wrong.
Why are we being forced to do this?

Speaker 23 (01:27:53):
Look, it is fantastic that there are so many stuffs
out there taking you know, taking that role really is
responsible responsibly, So you know, absolutely cut us to those
and those people. The reality is there, you know, things
happen out on the water in an instance, and and

(01:28:16):
you know if you've got you know, if you've got
a life jacket on board but not worn, when something happens,
when something goes wrong, it's no good to you up
the front. You know, if you end up in the
water unexpectedly, you need that life jacket in order to
help you stay afloat, which essentially enables us or enables
time for our volunteers to come out and assist.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
How often do you see out on the water the
situation that we're hearing a bit through on the text
machine of people with life jackets on floating under the
boat and the left jacket making it difficult for them
to get out from under the boat. Do you see
that very often?

Speaker 23 (01:28:55):
Look, you know there are reports that you know that
that that does happen, and so you know there is
you know, ultimately it's depending on the type of life jacket.
You know, obviously encouraging. Uh, there is the inflatable life
jackets which you inflate. You know, once you've left I

(01:29:17):
guess left left the craft, so it does it does happen,
and but ultimately I guess you know you've still got
a greater chances of survival were wearing a life jacket.

Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
So you measure before you're out on the water Coast
Guard New Zealand, you'd see a lot of terrible things
happened to boaty. Give us some examples. What happens that
is it? You know, the engine gets cut in the
waters start getting a lot more choppy, and they don't
have their life jackets. What sort of examples are you
seen out there?

Speaker 8 (01:29:45):
Oh?

Speaker 23 (01:29:45):
Look, you know you can have situations where somebody gets
hit by zone and ocked overboard. You can have a
rogue wave and you know certainly crossing a bar comes
with significant risks and as well, so you know, the
ability to capsize. We've had a scenario where people have

(01:30:08):
been towing another vessel that was taking on water and
then in both vessels got pulled down and nobody had
life jackets on and we ended up with five people
in the water with no life jackets on. So there
is just so many different scenarios that can play out.
You know, people could have a medical event. So it's
this is just about try to make sure that we

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are giving everybody the best possible chance of survival if
something does go wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
Is this just a muppet problem, and will the muppets
not wear the life jackets, whether they're mandated or not.

Speaker 23 (01:30:46):
Look and they you know, the reality is people are
going to make their own you know, obviously, they make
their own choices. I've alluded to the fact that things
that things do go wrong, and you know, there are
so many great examples as well where people have been
wearing a life jacket. So don't get me wrong, this
is not all about people who aren't wearing them. There

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are also people who have been wearing them and are
here today because they have. So I think, you know,
we need to look at those positive outcomes of a
number of people that probably have been saved as a
result of wearing life jackets. So you know that that's
that's the other piece. And I think there is the
ability for us again to bring these people home because

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they have they have warm ones. So we know the outcomes.
We know that there's more likelihood to survive if you're
wearing a life jacket. So we just want to make
sure that everybody has has that opportunity, you know, And
it's not about people who are making you know, poor
decisions out there. You know, this is about you know,
people who are going out with the intention of having

(01:31:53):
a great day. They've gone out for fish, but something
has gone wrong on the way.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
What size recreational boats do you support being included in
a mandate? Is it all recreational craft or is it
six meters and below? What do you do you have
an idea of that.

Speaker 23 (01:32:12):
From our perspects of we'd like to see this blight
jackets on all recreational craft, so that is both yet
so potentially extending it beyond the natives. That's the bill proposers.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
Thanks so much for you call.

Speaker 3 (01:32:26):
Yeah, very good. That is Kimberly Water's head of communications
at Coast Guard. Interesting thoughts and taking yours as well.

Speaker 22 (01:32:32):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:32:33):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number? Call
it's twenty five past.

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
Three Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZV.

Speaker 3 (01:32:46):
Twenty eight past three, super quick. We had the communications
manager for the Coast Guard ring through before talking about
life Jackets and got to give them a shout out
because they do great work. A lot of volunteer workers
for the Coast Guard, so they're running a lottery at
the moment. It is a charity and it's important work
they do. So if you want to go support them,
just go to Coastguard dot enz and you can search

(01:33:06):
for the lottery and also if you're a bow you
can sign up to their service as well. But they
do good work.

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
Brenda, welcome the show your thoughts on mandated life jackets
for everyone.

Speaker 26 (01:33:16):
Look, there's been a lot of them. To talk about
people fitting off rocks with that then tory to have
life jackets. I was a lifeguard at Morrawai for nearly
twenty years and I pulled two people at a fizzling

(01:33:37):
off flat rock at Marawaii. One was in his full
winter gear with overalls on top. He'd been drinking, he'd
been vomiting. We finally got him out. I knew he
was dead because he was floating face down when we

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got to him Sunday afternoon in the middle of winter
and be having Sunday runs.

Speaker 3 (01:34:04):
That is horrific.

Speaker 11 (01:34:07):
What in some is.

Speaker 3 (01:34:11):
Oh, Brenda, We're just sorry. We just got your back.
You carry on okay.

Speaker 26 (01:34:16):
In some ways, what was what was worth is that
when you're doing CPR and Resa, some of the ear
that you blow into the lungs gets into their stomach
and after about fifteen minutes it comes out of the
google and the relatives all spending around her going oh,

(01:34:41):
thank God, thank god, no no, and the local rotster
came down and declared indead. The second one was a
guy who just loves that rock is a big call.

Speaker 17 (01:35:02):
What the muscles grew on.

Speaker 26 (01:35:05):
And this guy had gone up there till muscle sell
his hen. We called them out and his brains were
leaking out of earth.

Speaker 1 (01:35:19):
Now.

Speaker 26 (01:35:19):
I don't know if life jackets would have saved the
second guy, but the Foos guy I believe it would.

Speaker 5 (01:35:29):
Is.

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
Wow, thank you for your for your call. I mean,
that's that's some grim stuff, Brenda, And thank you for
your twenty years service at MERUAI.

Speaker 5 (01:35:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
That brings it home, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
Thank goodness for people like you.

Speaker 17 (01:35:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
Absolutely, This Texas says, please stop calling it a life jacket.
They are personal flotation devices or PFDs. No guarantee to
save your life. We wear seat belts and cars. This
is a different text. I will call them life jackets.
I'm a big fan of mandated speech.

Speaker 3 (01:35:56):
And held speech.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
Yeah, yeah, get out. We wear seatbelts and cars should
have life jackets and boats and also registration and licenses.
But this text pushes back, saying another case of legislating
for the lowest common dominator.

Speaker 3 (01:36:10):
Again, all thoughts on this has been great chat has
been a great chat, so thank you very much. But
coming up next the big moment, New Zealander of the way,
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Matt Heath Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on.
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:42:34):
That'd be very good afternoon Juit is seventeen to four.
This is a great story. So many people would know.
More than two thousand greyhounds urgently need new owners following
the government's decision to ban greyhound racing next year. Now
the news comes through that the Simpsons, one of the
most iconic TV shows of all time, they have taken

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the unusual step of getting involved lending New Zealand the
use of arguably well, I think he is the world's
most famous cartoon greyhound. Greyhound sends as little Helper.

Speaker 14 (01:43:05):
Hey, Bernie with one as welwin numbers six. That's a
lucky dog right over there. He's one of his last
five races. What that's brownny little bag of poles?

Speaker 1 (01:43:17):
Come on, Dad, they're all scorny little bags of bones.

Speaker 18 (01:43:19):
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 14 (01:43:22):
I guess we'll winners. Our only hope for a merry Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:43:27):
We have a late in the race number race. Sir Gllahad.
We'll be little Helper once a hand, Sir Galahad has
been fine.

Speaker 1 (01:43:36):
A little helper, hark. Did you hear that?

Speaker 14 (01:43:39):
What a name? Santa's Little Helper. It's a sign, it's
an omen.

Speaker 20 (01:43:42):
It's a coincidence.

Speaker 26 (01:43:43):
Dad.

Speaker 14 (01:43:45):
One of the odds on Sanna's Little Helper ninety nine
to one. Whoa ninety nine times thirteen equals very.

Speaker 3 (01:43:53):
Christmas good behind this if it is the charity I
committed to finding safe homes for retired racing greyhounds. Greyhounds
is as Pitts and Lisa Philp from Greyhounds. As Pitts
joins us on the phone right now, Lisa, very good
afternoon to you, Hi.

Speaker 5 (01:44:09):
How are you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:44:11):
Very good? So, how did this partnership with the Simpsons
come about? And what does it mean for the rehoming effort?

Speaker 5 (01:44:18):
So it came about through Special the very special PR company,
who know people, who know people, and they came up
with this incredible partnership which blew us away. And it
is the most iconic greyhound in the world at the end,
as little helper. So yeah, for us to be able
to use him to help us rehome all these greyhounds
is just amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:44:38):
That is so good. It's very very cool. How many
greyhounds need to be housed in New Zealand rehomed?

Speaker 5 (01:44:44):
Well, at the moment we have a steady stream of
them coming through as they retire from racing, But when
racing finishes middle of next year, there will be probably
by then we will have had about two thousand needing homes,
so at the moment it's a steady stream that when
racing finishes, will be a whole lot finishing that are
looking for a couch.

Speaker 2 (01:45:02):
Are they good pets greyhounds?

Speaker 5 (01:45:04):
Thank goodness, Absolutely, they're the best steps They're lazy, gentle, loyal,
gorgeous thing quiet.

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
What do you mean lazy? Because they're fast. They're really
really fast. Are they sprinters as opposed to marathon runners?
Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 5 (01:45:18):
Exactly? They've built for about thirty seconds of seed and
the rest of the day is sleep. They can inpact.
One of my colleagues, Daniel, likes to say they may
be fast, but usually they're fast to sleep.

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
Yeah, because I read somewhere that they're rated one of
the best dogs for apartment living because they don't need
to run around that much.

Speaker 5 (01:45:38):
Exactly, they don't even need a garden. I mean they
can live in a garden, they can live in an apartment,
but you know, a twenty minute walk around the block
in the morning and then they'll sleep for the rest
of the day while you're working.

Speaker 3 (01:45:47):
It's a perfect dog.

Speaker 2 (01:45:48):
What about people that are concerned, because of course the
ones that have been in the industry are trying to
chase after a little rabbit. What about concerns that they
go little dogs and they go other little mammals.

Speaker 5 (01:46:02):
Yeah, that's a fair concern. Well, they're all this, yes,
and some of them just are simply not interested like
some of mine and the others. You know, they once
they have been a yes, we know which ones are
going to be better not around small animals, and we
just make sure we put them in a home where
they're not around small animals. And we do encourage new
owners to use precautions like you know, having a muzzle
on them when they first go out a few times,

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and just until they get to really know the dog,
until the dog knows that it's a pet now it
doesn't need to chase things.

Speaker 3 (01:46:28):
Yeah, And so what does their rehoming process involve for
both the dog and adopter? You mentioned some things there,
but is their trial periods that sort of thing?

Speaker 11 (01:46:38):
Is there?

Speaker 3 (01:46:38):
What sorry trial periods?

Speaker 5 (01:46:40):
They're thought it? So what happens is that dogs get
assessed when they first come into the rehoming program and
then we match them based on that to adopters. So
once an adopter comes to us, they fill out an
application form and we match them with what we believe
is going to be the perfect dog. Then really we
support them through that. So we support them pre adoption,

(01:47:01):
during adoption, and post adoption to make sure we've done
everything we can to make that adoption a success, because
we all want to see their dogs stay there forever.

Speaker 2 (01:47:11):
So how can people help out? How can people get involved?
How can they get themselves a greyhound?

Speaker 5 (01:47:18):
Absolutely, so they just need to jump on our website.
So Greyhounds is pets Dot or body and sad the know,
go along to some of our events, but you know,
come along and meet our rehomers, like putting in an
application and start meeting some dogs. It's it's as easy
as that, really, And once once we've talked to talk
to our adopts, then we met your dog to them.
And that's the other thing is they can foster. They

(01:47:40):
can foster to a dolt. If they want to foster
a dog, then adopt it, you know, sometimes it's a
good way to go. And then of course there's the
very famous foster fails. And I don't think there's one
staff member that isn't haven't got a couple of foster
fails in their house exactly, and we encourage that. We
encourage that, you know, and then there's you know, there's
lots of there's the ways opportunities for people to volunteer
at at events, to come along and help us introduce

(01:48:03):
people to greyhounds.

Speaker 3 (01:48:04):
Yeah, they're pretty lean dogs, but obviously very big dogs.
Are they expensive to feed or are they don't eat
that much?

Speaker 5 (01:48:10):
They don't really get that much, to be honest, they
don't eat as much as you'd stand a gymanship for instance.
Not too bad. They're pretty low maintenance, easy to easy
to keep dogs.

Speaker 3 (01:48:22):
Yeah, it sounds like the perfect pet. Yeah, Lisa, the
perfect pet, all the very best to you. So if
people want a bit more information, where can they go?
You mentioned a couple of the dropping sessions there. But
you've got a website, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:48:33):
We do, So go to www dot greyhounds as pets
dot org dot nz. You'll find everything you need there.
You'll find our contact numbers and you'll find the application form.
Which doesn't mean we're going to tune up on your
doorstep with a greyhound. It means we're going to start
the conversation with you and match you with the perfect one.

Speaker 2 (01:48:49):
Good on you and what a cool story with the
Simpson's Lane can send as little helper. It's very very
awesome and it's so cool. Yeah, you're doing great work
out there.

Speaker 3 (01:48:58):
Yeah, well, thanks so much, Lisa, Thank you very much
for having a chat with us, and all the best
with that campaign. Again, if you're interested in adopting a Greyhound,
which are fantastic stick dogs, just go to Greyhounds as
Pets dot org, dot n Z well Worth it right
beg very shortly. It is eleven minutes to fourth.

Speaker 1 (01:49:18):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
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News Talk zed B. It is seven minutes to four.

Speaker 2 (01:49:30):
Tell me what I'm excited about this weekend? The Last Ways,
the last race of the F one season with the
driver's championship still up for grabs. You've got Lando on
four I eight, Max on three nine six and Pstree
on three nine two. So if Lando podiums and his
McLaren he wins the driver's championship, but don't count out Max.
For Stappan, you gotta love his confidence. So listen to

(01:49:51):
this from the pre weekend press conference. So with the
other two potential condend contenders on the couch with him.

Speaker 27 (01:49:57):
I mean true, if you luks the same, you know
four of those at homes, so it's nice to add
a fifth. Yeah, I mean, I know my signature so seem.

Speaker 2 (01:50:09):
Such a d shrinker with the other guys. I've got
four of them at home on the shelf. You know
another one would be nice. So good, I love a
what a man, very very exciting. I can't believe it's
come down to the last race. So very good. And
go Liam, who's now got a secure seat, so so
very good. Hey, look, thank you so much for listening everyone.

(01:50:30):
As always, we've loved our chats today. It's been a
fantastic old time.

Speaker 3 (01:50:33):
Absolutely and we get so many great New Zealanders calling
through that every Friday we pick a caller of the week,
and this week we asked why Kiwis are so blim
and negative about this beautiful land of plenty we call home,
always wanting to put the booten. When we got a
call from Glenn from South Africa, who wanted to give
all the wines a verbal uppercut.

Speaker 28 (01:50:52):
Coming to New Zealand and seeing what the rest of
the world's like I always say to people of New Zealand,
is like living in a postclard. It is just you
want to be here all the time. We've traveled extensively.
The beaches are great, the crime late rage is rich
in north. The fact is you can have a dog
and go pace with it, and every single beach is pristine.

(01:51:13):
Everything works as first world. There's there's just absolute splendid
to live here. And I find we always have the
naysayers that are betend themselves and then we have something
negative to say. There's nowhere else. I would like my
family to be there.

Speaker 3 (01:51:29):
You go, What a man. That's a message.

Speaker 2 (01:51:31):
Yeah, what a great message.

Speaker 12 (01:51:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:51:32):
The podcast will be up in an hour or so.
The great and powerful Heatherdoper c Ellen is up next.
But Tyler, now, my good friend, why am I playing
this song here? What's the relevance to the show we've
just had so this?

Speaker 3 (01:51:45):
I know this is the Peachhop Boys, but I've got
no idea the name of this particular song.

Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
Well if I if I give you it, then I
give away the competition. It's called rets a very good
and it relates to Chris Biship telling potential renters to
negotiate with their landlords.

Speaker 3 (01:52:02):
I try and get a reduced rates. What a great
chat that was, and what a great tune this is.

Speaker 2 (01:52:07):
All right, have a great weekend everyone until Monday afternoon.
Give him a taste of keiwe from Tyler and I love.

Speaker 4 (01:52:15):
You because.

Speaker 18 (01:52:29):
Sometimes see work means so little money, lass when you
are lying to me. Look at my house, look at
my break we spend, look a look at.

Speaker 1 (01:53:33):
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