Full Show Podcast: 05 June 2025

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Hello, are you going new Sealers? And welcome to Matt
and Tyler Full Show Podcast number one three nine for Thursday,
the fifth of June twenty twenty five. Fantastic show today.
Tyler certainly was faoughly enjoyed it. But there's a bunch
of bubbles out there for us. We're going to the
Radio Awards.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
You need to iron your shirt.

Speaker 4 (00:31):
I do.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
We need to get to the party.

Speaker 5 (00:32):
You need some cheese and bubbles.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yep. So, but I thought it was a great show today.

Speaker 5 (00:37):
Fantastic show. You had a hot take more on a
fitness I'd.

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Speaker 5 (01:18):
Talk said me, good afternoon to you. Welcome into the
show Thursday. Get a Matts.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
You're not wearing that shirt to the Radio Awards, are you?

Speaker 6 (01:27):
Tightler?

Speaker 5 (01:27):
Certainly not. It's not shoot though, wasn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:29):
It's not bad, but it needs an it.

Speaker 5 (01:30):
It certainly does need to iron. It's a hard shirt
to iron. Actually, I don't know what kind of fabric
it is. But no, I've got my suit ready to
go right out that door, as to you, as I
understand it.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, that's right, I've got my suit ready to go.
I'm not native for six awards. We'll see where we go.

Speaker 5 (01:43):
Yeah, yeah, congratulations mates.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
I'm not going to prepare any speeches. I'm just going
to wing it. Yah, when I inevitably win.

Speaker 5 (01:50):
I saw you making some notes before a couple of notes. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
I'd like to think, as unaccustomed as I am to speaking,
I've they're not delivered ninety minutes and get taken out
by security for being on stage too long.

Speaker 5 (02:00):
Now I understand, I stand you had some issues with
your shoes.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Okay, this is there's sometimes in your life when your
family you realize, you know, you think my family loves me,
I'm importing to them, and the sometimes you realize that
you're just a reversource for them. Yep, you're just seen
as something to be exploited. So because the Radio Awards,
I went down and I was in my cupboard and
I was deciding what suit I was going to wear,
just flicking through them. And then I was deciding what
shoes I was going to wear. And then I noticed

(02:23):
support it and I noticed what I was looking down
at the shoes, and I noticed that all the laces
had been taken. And so my sons, you know, they'll
regularly steal my undies and my socks, and I get that,
but they've gone through and just rinsed me of laces.
So this is the way they look at the world.
They go, oh, my school shoes don't have lacers. They
don't go, Dad, could you get me some laces? They go,
I'll just take laceers off dead shoes. And his special cupboards.

Speaker 5 (02:46):
So they took them out of the shoes. And you
mentioned this earlier. I thought you meant like a fresh
pack of lacers that you store just for an odd
occasion like this. No, they took them out of the shoes.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Runched my shoes of lacers.

Speaker 5 (02:57):
That's crazy behavior.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
I'm just a resource. I seen a text to them saying,
poor old dad, no lacers on a shoes. That is
so dead.

Speaker 5 (03:06):
That is such a teenager thing, though, isn't that I
need some new laceers. I'll just take dads, just strip
the shoes.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
And at the time they're definitely I'll definitely tell Dad,
I'll definitely remember this. I'll definitely sort it out. And
then being a teenage boy is you'll never possibly remember it.
Then Dad's radio Woods goes to put on as nice shoes,
no laces. So I went up and ruinsed their school
shoes of laces.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
Oh good, yeah, fantastic.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
It's the same laces back. They are in terrible. That's
in terrible condition. I couldn't getting through the eyes very good.

Speaker 5 (03:35):
Right on to today's show. It is a doozy today
After three o'clock, the real cost of owning pets in
New Zealand. As we know, with the cost of living crisis,
it is affecting our fury and four legged members of
our families. This is according to new research by pd
Pitt Insurance. And I think anyone that owns an animal
knows how blurm and an expensive they are.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Well, especially if you're paying for pet insurance. Yeah, but
do animals do pits need to be as expensive as
we're making them? Or are we? Are we being scammed?
You go in and you get the food and then
it tells you need this food for this side dog
and particularly this need that and can't you just have
them some food? I mean, dogs are pretty pretty sturdy.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
Well you mentioned back in the farm days and farm dogs,
you know, they sort themselves out, they get a bit
of scraps they've got, you know, they just roam around.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Cats will eat anything. Dogs will are even less fussy.
I mean, I want to get into the details of
what are dog's willing to eat? So are you really
needing to buy fancy treats for a dog when where
they're willing to put their nose and what they're willing
to eat?

Speaker 5 (04:41):
Yeap, that is going to be a great chat. That's
after three o'clock, after two o'clock Aron's and household tas
okay on a slow worked out was a question posed
to The New York Times by an employee who says
they often work remotely. Most of the time, they work
pretty hard, they say, ten hour day, sometimes six days,
six days a week. But on a slow date they
like to do chores, the laundry, go and do some

(05:02):
vacuum cleaning, get a haircut. Is that okay on a weekday?

Speaker 2 (05:05):
No, of course it isn't. So neither is it okay
when you are in an office or on site. And
if it's not okay when you're an office, on site
or on site without it definitely not okay if you're
working from home. If you're working from home, you have
to do the solid workday that you would do if
there was other people around. You can't be doing your laundry.
You can't be changing the bed sheets, doing the ironing, chasing,

(05:28):
changing the laces on your shoes.

Speaker 5 (05:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
You've got to be working that you're getting paid to work.
You're getting paid to be You can't come on right like, look,
would you leave this show? You nowhere on their now yep?
Would you leave the show to get a haircut?

Speaker 5 (05:45):
I often go down and get your coffee. So you know,
is that a chore? That's definitely a chore for me.
It's part of the list of things you have to
do that's going to be a great chet up.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
And how come you didn't replace the shoelacers on my shoes? Yeah,
well you didn't ask me.

Speaker 5 (06:00):
That is half to two o'clock and a half to one.
Well right now, actually it there's one o'clock right now.
Warrants of fitness.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
This woman Jenny's texts. You guys have no idea about dog?

Speaker 5 (06:10):
About what singular?

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah about dog?

Speaker 5 (06:12):
Okay, well we talked to Jenny after three o'clock. Warrants
of fitness. We were going to talk about this yesterday,
but we got sidetracked with cremation chat. But an Auckland mechanic.
He has been given home detention for fraudulent warrants. But Matt,
this head. You thinking about wafts in general and how
we implement that that particular system.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
You don't like it, Get rid of warrants, get word
of warrants of fitness. Modern vehicles are highly reliable. It's
a totally different ballgame. Now than it used to be.
Mechanical failure is a rare cause of accents, incredibly rare,
less than one percent. Australia, California and the Netherlands. They
have reduced or eliminated routine inspections and they haven't compromised

(06:53):
SAT safety at all. You've got household spending hundreds of
dollars a year on these warrant of fitnesses, warrants of
fitness apologies, Ah, you did it, and plus and so
that it's bad for productivity. You've got people wasting their
time when they could being more productive and doing more
productive things in their life than getting warrants of fitness
that they don't need. And also the resources could be

(07:18):
spent elsewhere. Let's target high risk or visibly unsafe vehicles.
You did a deep dive on this last night. We
are a bit of an outlier in the Western wild
when it comes to our WAFT system.

Speaker 5 (07:27):
Is that right?

Speaker 7 (07:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Victoria and Western Australia no routine inspections unless the vehicle
is being sold or imported or re registered. New South
Wales and Queensland, and inspections only required at point of
sale or for older vehicles and metro areas in California,
there is no warrant of fitness except for when you
sell the car. They have small tests. That different thing
the Netherlands. The Netherlands exits passengers vehicles from inspections for

(07:51):
the first four years after purchase. Then it's by bi
annual checks after that, and so the policy there's low
failure rates in new vehicles, so you definitely look, I say,
get rid of them completely except for on sale and
on registration. Yep, that's what I believe. But also if
not that first seven years of a new vehicle's life,

(08:13):
I mean, warrants itself, doesn't it.

Speaker 5 (08:17):
I'd agree with that.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
On the screen, it's telling you every problem that you
could possibly have on the screen.

Speaker 6 (08:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (08:21):
As someone that recently purchased a new vehicle, absolutely, I'm
down for that. There's no point to take that vehicle
in for a warrant. I think I've got to go
back in this year and it's only three years old.
But can you hear from you, I we eighte hundred
and eighty ten eighty what I don't like about our
warrant system. I still think there's inconsistency and going back
to this particular story, clearly this guy was absolutely in

(08:41):
the wrong and he's been sentenced to home detention for that.
One hundred ccent not supporting this guy, but the inconsistency
is still there with our warrant system where and we've
all done it that you go to one mechanic and
they pull you up for something that you think might
be minor, might be a bit of a fog on
the headlights, it might be a bit of sun fading
on the seat belts, and then you take it to

(09:01):
another mechanic and they take it off. So that to
me is a system that is not working. If one
mechanic says that's not going to pass, another mechanics says, yeah,
that's sneak through, that's okay. Is that a system that's
really working?

Speaker 2 (09:12):
No, No, I just get rid of the whole thing.
It's a waste of time, all right, I eighty ten
eighty Do you agree or you disagree? We'd love to
hear from you.

Speaker 5 (09:22):
Fourteen past one.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons used talks.

Speaker 5 (09:32):
B news talks. There be warrants of fitness Matt, you
think we should get rid of that system altogether, as
is the case of many other Western countries.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
I mean the fact that some cars have to be
warranted every six months. Some of it's a really good
point actually here and like the often it's the case
on that show. It's a point around at the usage
of words. So I meant.

Speaker 6 (10:01):
So be.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Oh no, there's biannual and there's b annual be any
ben neal? Yeah, yeah, so I mean so in the
Netherlands it's biennial, which means every two years. Yeah, so
by anniel would be twice a year. Right, So sometimes
in New Zealand, if your cars old enough, you have
to get a warrant of fitness by annually.

Speaker 5 (10:22):
Just twice a year, yeah, every six months.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
And I say we shouldn't have to get them at all.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:26):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eightyens they number to.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Call Brianni, welcome to the show.

Speaker 5 (10:31):
Hello, how are you good by guys.

Speaker 8 (10:36):
I had a point just to take their safety with
warranting cars. Hey, we've got good cars, Yeah, no problem.
But I know a lot of people met wouldn't. But
I like, let's be driving to it with full tires.
You just have to watch the police Team seven programs,

(10:58):
police pulling people up and cars did in a serious
state where they're going to cause an accident for themselves
or someone else. It's there anything boy racers look at
the whole thing and lovin the other weekend.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
You know. Yeah, but you know when you look at
the stats though NZTA stats, it's much less than one
percent of accidents are caused by mechanical failure or things
that would be picked up in a warrant. What causes
accidents is drunk driving and speeding and poor behavior on
the road. That and I get my argument, I guess

(11:34):
would be we need to we need to focus in
on that.

Speaker 9 (11:37):
Yeah, it's just the tires, like yeah, well not.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Even even if you even if you include even if
you include tires, and that it's under one percent.

Speaker 8 (11:43):
Yeah, the people at the moment haven't got much money.
They're going to buy food before worrying about their tires
on so much mul that I look at it whereas
a warrant, But the tires are like that, they're going
to get sticked and can't use the car on the road.
Like when you look at the economy, maybe in Auckland

(12:03):
or somewhere. So there's some areas in New Zealand where naturally.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
Some people just.

Speaker 5 (12:10):
Oh, oh, I love bron House, lost your Bronnie. I
think it was on the car phone.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
I hope she hasn't skidded off the road on ball tires.

Speaker 5 (12:15):
Oh, I mean that kind of happens anyway, It doesn't
it look I understand what Bonnie was saying, but that
happens anyway. That people would not get a warrant and
they'll get picked up if they get pulled over by
the police. But that would be what happens in other jurisdictions, right,
is that if the police pull you over for whatever reason,
then you do a check and see that you've got
bull tis and then they sting you.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah. See that's what I think. I think across the
board it should be guilty until I mean innocent until
proven guilty approach. Right, Yeah, so they trust you as
a society. It's not the infantilizing infantizing of society. What
you do is you trust people and then to run
a good car and then if they don't, that's when
you're opinion. You don't bring them in like babies every

(12:56):
six or twelve months to make sure they're doing the
job right.

Speaker 5 (12:58):
Oh wait, one hundred and eighty ten eighty love to
hear your thoughts on this one. It is twenty one bars.

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Speaker 10 (13:09):
The grocery commissioner has got some ideas, Pervander, hidden is
the grocery Commissioner.

Speaker 11 (13:13):
We've done a market study which indicated some issues.

Speaker 10 (13:17):
Just to be clear, are these things going to happen
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Speaker 11 (13:22):
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Speaker 2 (13:25):
So just once again to try and be clear.

Speaker 10 (13:27):
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Speaker 11 (13:32):
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Speaker 10 (13:37):
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Speaker 10 (13:41):
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Speaker 5 (13:48):
Very good afternoon to you. Is our warrant of fitness
system to excessive Matt. You absolutely think it's too excessive.
You think it needs to be done away with completely absolutely.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
I believe this what lances take it through here. Guys,
our warrant doesn't make your car safe. The police would
still ticket you for a car not up to safety standard.
It just puts the responsibility back on the owner. I
agree it should be. You should assume that people will
run their car properly, not treat us like children, and
get us in every six or twelve months to make
sure we're doing the right thing. And it's absolutely ridiculous

(14:20):
on a new car, taking a new car and to
get a warrant every year. Come on, new cars are
so much safer than old cars. There's so much better
than your cars. We're just we worry about productivity in
this country, but we have all these layers of stupid
things we have to do with our time. It's punishing.

Speaker 5 (14:37):
Yep, I got a question for you. In Germany, so
they're interval between inspections thirty two thousand k's on a car.
How would you feel about a warrant of fitness system
that is based on CA's rather than time.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah, I think that would make more sense. Absolutely. Can
we pump that up to fifty thousand? Why not one
hundred fifteen and then only highluxes would ever get warrants.
This Texas is Matteith. I hope you get smashed into
a buyer car with poor breaks and lose your bloody legs.
How I'm going to say that we're giffing dead. You
talk crap like this. Warrants of fitnesses. We've made that mistake, Sally,

(15:14):
you made yesterday Warrants of fitness Dear Texter, but no
il read what you said. Warrants of fitnesses. They've done
both barls, Warrants of fitnesses.

Speaker 5 (15:24):
Well, there's no excuse for a text. I mean, you
write that out and you review it, so carry.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
On, so idiot, you'll end up in a wheelchair and
I will laugh.

Speaker 5 (15:32):
Wow, okay text, Okay, Well, if you're on a respond
to that text. One hundred and eighty ten eighty heated.
Welcome the show, Donald Hi.

Speaker 12 (15:43):
Look, they keep changing the system. I left college in
sixty eight went work for Vauxhall Dealership and I was
involved with well no mechanic. But I had delivered a
lot of new cars and I'll tell you what happened.
The cars were delivered by road. We drove them up
ninety k's north of Wellington, they were pre delivered and
you know, even polished up on that and registered. Then
the first thing I had to do was taken to

(16:04):
the local vehicle testing station for a warrant of fitness.
Even though and just come out of the General Motors
plant a week or two earlier, was brand new cars.
They had to go straight down for a warderful witness.
And they were brand new cars that hadn't been driven
ninety k's on the highway and.

Speaker 5 (16:16):
That and how long you go with that? Donald? How
long ago? How do you ever do that?

Speaker 12 (16:22):
Beteen sixty eight to seventy one, when we had had
cars like Victors and crests and things.

Speaker 13 (16:27):
The crests were lovely.

Speaker 12 (16:28):
But another thing, there's all sorts of things they'd pick
you up on. You know, we had traders, we had
old bombs like Mark one, Zephys and Austin's. They'd have
worn out suspensions and steering things and.

Speaker 14 (16:40):
That you've got to have check on older cars.

Speaker 6 (16:41):
They'd tell your light was out.

Speaker 12 (16:42):
These days, they'd tell you if we got an oil
leak and that's, you know, fix this, or power steering leak.
They look right through the under the car for ages.
It can take about twenty minutes to examine a car
and that.

Speaker 6 (16:51):
But I'll give you an incense.

Speaker 12 (16:52):
But boss, they had brand new Crests, lovely two tone ones,
the last of them. And I had to take his new,
well newest Crestor down for war and it was almost
like a perfect new car. And it was failed on
a top in a suspension bush which had only seven
thousand miles. And the mechanics laughed when I got back,
and they said that in suspension bush, which I think
is some sort of rubber continent of what on the front,

(17:12):
suspension has no bearing at all on the safety of
the car. The thing was like brand new and that
seven thousand miles and they had to be replaced and
things like that, you see, And that's the situation at
the time. You see, I've got old cars of seventy
to seventy four and a eighty seven and they probably
do need a check, although well, two of them are
on the road are fine. But you've got to have
some sort of check because otherwise you end up with

(17:34):
tail lights out and brakes that pulled to the hood.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
But isn't it your job donald as a driver to
make sure that your car is up to scratch, isn't
If you've got a car and you're you know, you're
willing to take it on the roads, you've got a license,
shouldn't the owners be on you to make sure that
you check your lights and that you have a car
that has true doesn't have ball time?

Speaker 6 (17:53):
True? True?

Speaker 5 (17:54):
True.

Speaker 12 (17:54):
But I was walking around my local town about three
or four years ago, and when from I spotted a
forward Tailstar and it looked a bit unloved and the
three of the tires on it were two are virtually
bored and the third one was are we at any tread?
One was fine? Well, something like that, and that's going
to go all over the road. Some people just drive
cars and that's you know, they just don't check on anything.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah, well think if your call Donald. Now we must
point out that in New Zealand you don't need an
and your warrant of fitness until in the first three
years that your car haits the road. Yes, but I
think that should be ten years. Yeah, a new car
come on and that should be increasing every year because
cars get more and more reliable every year. Yeah, and
have more and more indicators on them that there's something wrong.

(18:35):
And you know, if you get a warrant fitness. As
this person says, Matt, warrant fitness don't stop you getting
a ticket for ball tires. Warrant or a waste of
time give some people. It gives people a false sense
of security. Yeah, yeah, I mean you've still got to
be checking your tires, that's the whole thing. So this
idea that you get a warrant of fitness once a
year and then you can just forget about your tires.
That that's the problem with warrant warrant to fitnesses warrants again,

(18:59):
that's the problem with warrants of fitness. Tiler, Yeah, that's
the problem. You still have to check your car, so
personal responsibility.

Speaker 5 (19:06):
It's catering for dickeads again, because the dickeads are out
there that don't care about their bull tires or that
their brake lights aren't working. They already exist with the
warrant system, and I think for most of us we
check our own tires, right because you don't want to
be driving a car that as bull tires is going
to go off the side of the road and kill
you or somebody else. That was just what normal people do.
But love to hear your thoughts on a O eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty. And there was a

(19:26):
text there before because Donald mentioned as nineteen seventy what
a pain in the butt to take that in every
six months if you only take it out for a
Sunday drive, what every month or so? And so you
only have fifty k on the clock, and then you've
got to take it in another six months to get
a warrant.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Get rid of them. So yeah, keep them coming nine
two nine two, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Even
all the people that are wishing that I lose my
legs for even suggesting it. Angry, angry people.

Speaker 6 (19:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (19:50):
Headline with Raylene coming up, bring.

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Speaker 5 (21:09):
Thank you very much, Trailan, And we're talking about the
warrant of fitness system we have in New Zealander. Is
it over the top, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (21:16):
It's amazing how many people want to be treated like children.
The six It says, if you guys are going to
encourage a looser a loosening of standards, you're going to
kill people. End of everyone checking their own vehicle safety,
ha ha ha, Ellen, why can't people check their own vehicles?
I mean, my point is that you know your tires
can go bored, which is the main problem really, And

(21:38):
if you look at stats, less than one percent of
accidents are caused by things that are checked and warrants anyway.
Accidents are caused by people's behavior on the road, right,
So if you don't check your tires at all between warrants,
then you know that you're going to have poor tires anyway, exactly.
So it's not like the warrant stops you from having
ball tires.

Speaker 5 (21:58):
And I'd actually argue the warrant system would mean some
people go with bald tires for longer than they should
because they rely upon the warrant system. Oh, I'm getting
checked up in a couple of months. Need to check
myself because a mechanic will do it for me. So
that personal responsibility to check your own car would actually,
in my eyes, increase safety because that's people taking responsibility
for the vehicle that they're driving, rather than just waiting

(22:20):
every twelve months because the mechanic's going to sort it out.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah, and for all these people that want me to
die in a horrific accident because of suggesting this, well,
they don't do what we do here in New Zealand
and any of the states in Australia or in California
or in Netherlands, and they actually have better stats around
accidents caused by mechanical failures breaks in ball tires in

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those countries.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
Yep, we're an outlier. Yeah, can you get your view though?
Oh one hundred and eighteen eighty Sean, welcome to the show.
Yeah you go, Excaine, Yeah, very well, what's your thoughts.

Speaker 7 (22:54):
It's an argument that can go both ways. Honestly that
if car manufacturers are offering a certain period of warranty
on the vehicle, then maybe the warrant fitness should be
applicable to that particular manufacturers warranty.

Speaker 6 (23:11):
Mm.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah right, So how would that work?

Speaker 7 (23:17):
Well, if many factures offers a five year warranty, then
basically that that vehicle should just basically have five years
free warranty fitness.

Speaker 8 (23:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
When you say free warrant as you mean you're free
from having to get a warrant fitness for five years.

Speaker 7 (23:33):
Well, when the when the car goes into at the dealer,
there should be basic checks that they should be doing
during that peria to check that the vehicle meets a
certain level of road compliance. At the end of that's
not a full warrant of fitness. But the dealer should
be definitely doing some level of checks tires for example,

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and advising and upselling the customer into new tires and
taking those advantages. And if if if a brand is
prepared to back their their product for ten years, well
then they've got then they're really going to stand by
it because at the end of the day and then
they're providing ten years with the warrants.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Sean, how often do you think a driver should check
their tires every six months at least? Yeah, i'd saven
more so, I would saven more often than that. I
would say, as a driver, your responsibility to check your
tires gosh, regularly?

Speaker 5 (24:27):
Yeah, I'd say monthly. I'd probably check my tires Sean, generally,
Like I mean, anytime i'd go slightly out of town,
I'd be checking the tires. I mean pretty much when
I check the oil, which is once a month, then
i'd check the tires as well.

Speaker 7 (24:39):
When you say check your tire precious et cetera, Yeah, regularly,
But as I said, a general check for call it
wear and tear. Might you call it? I don't think
you need to do that to fear too often. I
think you can get away with it a bit longer.
But obviously depending on the actual amount of time that
you're driving. You know, if you're a if you're a

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hard distance driver, then yeah, you've got to check your
tires a lot more regularly. But if you're just an
average user between t to fifteen thousand cads a year,
I think you can probably get away with the watch
your chicks maybe every three to six months.

Speaker 5 (25:14):
Yeah, but it makes a lot of sense what you're
saying about. If you buy a new car and whoever
gave you the warranty for that car, say mits to
BISSI like my card ten year warranty, I've got to
take it in on a yearly basis to get checked up.
That should exclude me from a warrant fitness system because
they're kind of doing the checks anyway.

Speaker 7 (25:29):
Right, Yeah, yeah, on that service. They should be doing
a basic check anyway, just on the overall health of
your vehicle. And like I said, if you're come in,
if they're a good dealer and you come in and
your tires or fairly low, most dealers have got tires
to stock now that they should be upselling you into
some new tires anyway.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, they certainly do that, and sometimes suspiciously. I've investigated
a few times. Yeah, when my partner's gone in and
they've suggested new tires, and then I've gone, hang on
a minute, didn't they just give you new tires last time?
Then you have a lock and you go plenty of scumbags?

Speaker 5 (26:03):
Have you?

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Guys? Never failed a warrant of fitness. You're going on
about personal responsibility, so you have never failed break a leg?
A little miss perfect again with the legs. People really
want to take my legs from me because I reckon
we should take some responsibility and do our own inspections
of our own cars. Well, I would question. I would
question a lot of the stuff on the warrant. As

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the stickser said, I failed my waft for one headlight
slightly brighter than the other. I didn't change the bulb.
I just got an old one, put it on my
seat and told them I'd changed it, and surprise, surprise,
I passed.

Speaker 5 (26:37):
Yeah, exactly, that's the inconsistencies. Oh eight, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call Love to
hear your thoughts on this one. We've got to play
some messages, but we'll come back with more of your cause.
It is twenty one to two.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Get rid of the warrant of fitnesses, the issues.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
That affect you, and a bit of fun along the way.
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons used.

Speaker 5 (26:58):
Talk, sa'd be it is nineteen two two.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
So many people want to see horrible things to happen
to me because I don't think we should still have
one on. This is all on the back of and
we're not supporting this guy. But he was handing out
He wasn't licensed handout warrants of fitness, yep, but he did.
And how many do you hand out? It was quite
a lot.

Speaker 5 (27:20):
Forty thousand dollars with there's a lot.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
And he's rightfully on home detention. But this is my
argument against warrants of fitness. Modern vehicles are highly reliable
and so right now you don't need to get your
Warwner fitness for the first three years, yep. But I
think that should be ten or at least fifty thousand
k's or not at all. Mechanical failure is a very
rare cause, and the things on Warrener Fitness is a

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very rare cause of accidents. So I think the focus
should more be on personal responsibility and how people drive
on the road because that's what causes accidents.

Speaker 13 (27:50):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (27:51):
And you've done the research.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yep, done the research. Australia, California and the Netherlands have
reduced or eliminated routine inspections and they haven't compromised safety.
That they're no less safe than we are. So that
sort of wipes that out that argument. And currently people
are running around having to do these sometimes six monthly
inspections and you know, we're already busy enough. We need

(28:14):
to be getting on with being a productive society. We
need to move on for it. And plus, I think
the idea that people get is you just go and
get a warrant and then your car is fine. You've
got to keep checking your car all the time because
your lights can can not be working within a year
period exactly. Your tires can go baled very quickly.

Speaker 5 (28:31):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
So the idea that you don't have to check your
car between warrants of fitness, that's ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (28:38):
And a lot of people think that, oh one hundred
and eighty ten eighty though, if you disagree with Matt's points,
or you want to take his legs or welcome to
what if so many people want to take my life
and my legs coming for your legs. I love to
hear from you, though, Denzil. How are you good?

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Best off? I wish you a long and happy life
with your legs.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Thank you, Denzil. You're an outlier, Lawrence.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
If you have a new car, you normally get it serviced.
Should they not do that? Those checks when you get
it serviced? But my beefers, I'm very old cars, Like
I've got a nine fifty nine hold and I'm going
to do six monthly warrants and I'm lucky if I
do seven hundred miles a year in it.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, yeah, we heard that from previous courly. Well. I
mean that's ridiculous, isn't it. If it's sitting in the
garage most of the time between those six month inspections,
that has to be taken into account.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yeah, I'm England have now dropped it. If you cars
over forty years old, no what we'd call a wife, No,
no road checks. But if you are called over by
a police officer and he sees something that is obviously wrong,
then you have to go get it checked.

Speaker 5 (29:48):
I believe the UK has a similar system to that Germany,
right that you have to get an inspection with the
number of kilometers you drive rather than time.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
Unless your cars over forty years old in the totally exempt.

Speaker 5 (30:02):
Oh right, okay, yeah, I mean it's a very fair
point and a lot of Texas are backing you up
on that. So you're forty year old cars. I mean
that with those forty year old cars, a lot of
the time that you're taken into a warrant, there would
only be a few chicks that would need to be undertaken,
right because as I understand it, if a cars old
enough and some of these laws that we've got about
seatbouts and about you know, the fog on the headlights

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wouldn't apply to those vehicles anyway.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
No, no, yeap o, Well, thank you so much for
your text. By text, I mean called Denzil. Appreciate that, Kevin.
I think you're on the same topic, aren't you has
your cars on a six monthly is it?

Speaker 4 (30:42):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (30:42):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (30:42):
And I back you up, Matt about what you're saying
freaking overseas people should take more responsible for going car
I mean they do everything else. But yeah, I also,
like you already had a ninety five model car and
then I sided it by another one which was in
those nineties as well, and you wouldn't believe it within

(31:03):
two weeks of two warrants because of six monthfully yeah,
and bad luck.

Speaker 5 (31:11):
I mean there's no work around. I'm just trying to
think you can't. It's not like you can de register
the vehicle because if you want to take it out
for a Sunday drive every now and again, that doesn't work.
So you are kind of stuffed if you've got an
old vehicle, aren't you that you only take out on
it on a semi regular basis.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
Yeah, well that's right. It's not because we can't afford
new vehicles. I mean I like old vehicles because they're simple,
you know, like me. Yeah, you can work it out,
and I mean the stagest thing, just my car, it's
safer than any new carrier has a twelve month fine.
It must be a because I have two chicks and
they only have one, and they can do twice a
while twelve months. What do I do in six months?

Speaker 15 (31:46):
Right?

Speaker 4 (31:46):
Like the guy with the whole just said, yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Well exactly thank you for call. Kevin. I appreciate that.

Speaker 5 (31:51):
Can't argue with that.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Hey, guys, no, what in Australia, too much GSC lost
government here, parts, tires, et cetera. Greg I mean, yeah,
And we've had a bunch of texts that have come
through for people that work in the industry and they're
saying keep them going because auto mechanic from California here

(32:12):
wafts are great, loved it when I moved to New Zealand.
Personal responsibility didn't and doesn't work in California. Well, it's
funny you should say that because in California they have
very low rates of accidents caused by mechanical failure. But
that might be because of the stick of lawsuits. So
if you scream into someone with no brakes and ball tires,

(32:34):
then you're going to be absolutely smoked with a lawsuit.

Speaker 5 (32:37):
Yeah, very re litigious. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. We'll play some messages and
full lines at the moments. If you can't get through,
keep trying.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
And for all those people that are still wanting me
to be in a terrible accident because of my pushing
back against warrants of fitness. I can tell you right
now that I do actually current currently have a Haglin's
deformity on my left foot, so my foot is injured.
Hopefully that that's enough for you.

Speaker 5 (33:03):
Yeah, without me actually losing stop coming for his legs.
It is twelve to two.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams
Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 5 (33:17):
EDB, News Talk ZB. We're talking about a warrant of
fitness system. Is it time to rejig it? As it
too over the top? Mets ears get rid of it?

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yeah, well it's a sexy saies. Hey lads, what difference
does a warrant make if you drive like a bloody idiot?
This is my point. Take responsibility for your own shizz,
your car, your responsibility. That's from Tracy, I said, that's
what I mean. Yeah, if you are driving around on
a car with bull tires and no brakes and no windscreen,
then you're an idiot. Yeah, and it's already happening right Yeah, Hi,

(33:48):
you know, but I'll tell you it's interesting before because
we're talking about California. We had a California mechanic come through.
And it is interesting with statistics because I said that
in countries where they don't have warrant of fitness, is
warrants a fitness like we do here. Yep, they don't
have any more accidents, you know, than we do here
that are caused by mechanical or the type of things

(34:08):
that have looked at warrants of fitness. But it is
interesting because statistics are always confusing, isn't it so Jesse
here says it's more to do with the emissions control
in California. Just means everyone is driving newer cars. So
because what you're always being you're getting small inspections in California,
so people can't be bothered with old cars anymore. So
the fleet is newer, so therefore the mechanical problems are less.

(34:30):
But that plays into what I'm saying is that new
cars come on, shouldn't need a warrant of fitness for
ten years. Yeah, currently it's three years, and each year
that should be getting longer because cars are getting more
and more mechanically reliable.

Speaker 5 (34:46):
But then I mean, we're pretty equitable to Australia. They
don't have a Warrener fitness system. We're pretty equaittable to
Canada that they don't have a Warren of fitness system.
Germany has a very different one, which is based on
kilometers rather than time.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
What is that, Matt, take your top off?

Speaker 5 (35:02):
Okay, all right?

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Does that person know that you've just spiled a coffee?
Did you say that on here?

Speaker 5 (35:06):
No?

Speaker 2 (35:06):
No, no, because last time the coffe that's a.

Speaker 5 (35:08):
Very I don't know, Rob, Rob always takes that, and
though doesn't he just wants you to take your top
off for some reason. Don't know why.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
So can as Rob see into the studio? Maybe maybe
because at one point I spilled a coffee and I
whipped my shirt off to stop it going into the electronics.
Then you spill a coffee, Rob, he's spying on us. Anyway.
Drivers must check and maintain their vehicles regularly, not just
for warrant of fitness. Poor maintenance can cause loss of control,
turning the car into a dangerous weapon or even potential

(35:36):
weapon of mass destruction. And crowded areas or fast motorways.

Speaker 5 (35:40):
Yeah yeah, critixx Blair, you reckon it would have an
impact on insurance premiums.

Speaker 6 (35:46):
I reckon.

Speaker 16 (35:46):
I would how much are you prepared to pay for
your insurance if you know you take away the standards
for your card. You know to meet a minimum level
of fitness to be on the road. The insurance companies
aren't going to.

Speaker 6 (36:01):
Say it up. They will.

Speaker 16 (36:03):
They will whack it onto your premiums and or your
no claims bonus. You might just walk out their grant.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
I don't really know the answer this question. I'm asking you.
You may not know, but if you are driving around
even between your warrant, like six months after you've had
your warrant, and you crash into someone because there's something
faulty in your car, does the insurance company ping you
for that?

Speaker 16 (36:27):
If you don't have a warrant a fitness, your insurance
company are most likely run a mile.

Speaker 6 (36:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
No, I'm not talking about that though. I'm talking about
if you're driving around in a car, because I believe
it's everyone's personal responsibility to be checking their car a lot,
and outside of what the government says, you should be
making sure that all your lights work and your tires
aren't baled, and running a good car. So I'm just
wondering if insurance companies, if you have your warrant, but
then you've let something slip in the in between warrants,

(36:55):
whether they whether they hassle you, because I think they should.
If you're driving around on ball tires, whether you've got
a warrant or not, then that's negligent, isn't it.

Speaker 16 (37:03):
Yeah, we just disclaimer. I don't disagree with everything you
just said. You know, we should be maintaining our cars
in a warrantable standard. All I'm saying is that an
insurance company will always try to find it out, and
if they can establish that there was something that didn't
meet warrant standard on your car, I can bet you

(37:23):
that they will fault and not want to cover you,
or they might agree to cover you, but your premiums
are going to go up fifty percent.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
We'll be interesting to see how it is in You know,
most other countries who don't don't do the warrant r
it's a fitness like we do, like Australia and the
United States and the Netherlands. Be interesting to see what
what their insurance premiums are like.

Speaker 16 (37:48):
Well, I don't think we should necessarily worry about what
other countries are doing. We've got to deal with our
own country and we've got our own unique driving conditions.

Speaker 6 (37:56):
It's that is.

Speaker 16 (37:57):
Something that's always happened in to us, you know, using
on driving conditions, and it's different from we don't have
big long open freeways, freeways.

Speaker 6 (38:08):
And you know if you.

Speaker 16 (38:09):
Drive unto the side of Hoskin's Ferrari or whatever, you know,
it's going to cost you a lot of money.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (38:18):
Yeah, I mean, like the insurance question is is an
interesting one, and yeah, nobody wants to crash in the
Hosking But as you know, Blair, there's a lot of
company countries out there that don't have a WARRN a
fitness system, but they have compulsory third party insurance. Right,
So then I suppose that's when that that conversation starts
to go, if we change our WARRN fitness system.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah, hey, thank for you, COLLL. Blair. But yeah, that
I mean, that is a good point when I'm comparing
everything to these other countries there there. We have very
different roads here and very different and that has to
be taken to account. Absolutely, that's a very good point, yeah, Blair.

Speaker 5 (38:48):
Right, a couple of texts to the news.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
My Highlights is thirty three years old, didn't pass wafts,
so I can't get a regio. So put regio on
hold and drive locally. I think per fifty thirty to
fifty thousand k's per WAFT check love you and your legs, honey,
Oh there we go.

Speaker 5 (39:03):
That's nice.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
That's nice, isn't it?

Speaker 5 (39:05):
And this one get ay, guys. Waff are a must
New Zealand. A lot of people run their vehicles to
the very end because they can't afford the maintenance. New
Zealand is so expensive. If we remove the wafts system,
we will have more cars on the road and poor
and unsafe conditions, a lot of drivers to drive the vehicle.
People don't take responsibility.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
I don't know if I can agree with that, but
as I said before, the stats don't back that up.
We have very very few accidents caused by the type
of things that are checked by a warren of fitness.
Less than one percent of accidents.

Speaker 6 (39:33):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
It's people being dickheads. Yeah, that cause accidents. Drink speeding,
that kind of thing. And I just think people shouldn't
rely on the warrant of fitness. They should look after
their own cars. Come on, exactly, not babies, are we Well?

Speaker 5 (39:45):
Some of us are but new Sport and weather on.
It's way great to have your company. As always, you're
listening to Matt and Tyler will see you on the other.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Side talking with you all afternoon It's Matt Heath and
Taylor Adams Afternoons us Talks Itvy.

Speaker 5 (40:05):
Welcome back into the show. Six past too. Just before
we move on here have a lot of tech still
coming through about the warrants of fitness.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Yeah, that's right. Someone said that they hope I get
smashed into by a car. Who that is? I went up,
I said, we don't need warrant fitness. A lot of
people saying they wouldn't see me be crashed into a
car and lose my legs. Yeah, and all other things
and horrible things happened to me. So I just want
to talk about the horrible thing that's happened to my
leg to ease people's anger. Right, maybe if they know

(40:34):
that I'm already suffering from something on my leg, they
won't be so keen for me to be smashed into
an unwarranted vehicle.

Speaker 5 (40:40):
Okay, right, what's going on?

Speaker 2 (40:41):
I've got a Hagland's deformity.

Speaker 5 (40:43):
What's a Hagland's deformity.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Hagland's deformity is when your arechilles yank's a bit of
bone out of the back of your heel. So it's
when you've been running a lot, especially up hill, and
I was doing a lot of hill running near Coramandel Town,
so they're very steep hills and you can mess it up.
This is why it often happens to women who wear
high heels all the time, like pumps and stuff right, yes,

(41:07):
often called a pump lump because if you walk around
high heels you can get as well. But also if
you run a lot up hills you can get it.
So just pulls a piece of bone out of the
back of your heel and so and I'm running in
the pillar to Poe and Topaul this weekend on Saturday
and that six hour running relay with my Hegland's deformity.
In fact, our team is called the Heglands Deformities. It's

(41:27):
the back of my Headlands deformity. So anyway, I just
hope that eases people's anger and they know that whilst
I haven't lost my legs yet, like you you're wishing,
I am currently something quite considerable pain.

Speaker 5 (41:38):
You don't need to come after his legs. He's already
come after one of his own legs, So there we go.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Just if it makes you feel better.

Speaker 5 (41:44):
Yeah, yeah, and I'm sure it does for a few
people out there. Right, this is going to be makes
you feel better that I've got the injury of a
middle aged woman as well. Absolutely right, there's going to
be a good chat so eron's and household tasks, okay?
On a slow worked out was a question posed to
one of those Agony Aren't New York Time articles, So
I'll read out the question shallow. It says, I work

(42:05):
in a twenty five person company. We have the option
to work remotely, which most of us do. Our work
is very cyclical. During our busy cycle, I routinely work
six six days a week.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Just before we move on. I've just got a furry
of text through saying like this, and sorry to notice,
I just want to cut off the Warrener fitness thing. Matt,
You've just proven that Warrener for system works. You said
there is a really low percentage of crash is caused
by waffable issues, meaning people get these issues fixed when
they are picked up. Means more excellents. As I kept
saying in the last hour, in other countries that don't

(42:38):
have Warrener fitnesses, they have the same or lower amount
of accidents from waffable issues. Yeah, okay, So it isn't
the Warren of fitness that's stopping that low percentage of
accidents from waffable issues. That's not what's stopping it. What
accidents are caused by people drunk driving and speeding. It's
not because you've got you know, one of your headlights

(43:00):
brighter than the.

Speaker 5 (43:01):
Other and did the research on that. So sorry, Tyler
to know. That's all right, we'll put that one to bed.
But that was a great discussion.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
I just needed to say that. Yeah it clickers. About
twenty five texts came through on the same point. Now
I'll let you get back to it. Sorry, buddy.

Speaker 5 (43:12):
All right. So this person they sent a question into
the New York Times. I work in a twenty five
person company. We have the option to work remotely during
our busy cycle. I routinely work six days a week,
ten or more hours a day. We are currently on
our slow cycle. So my question is is it okay
to go to the store, start, do some laundry, do
a bit of cleaning, go for a walk, et cetera.

(43:33):
I feel extremely guilty doing those things, although I always
have my phone on me and am available. The fact
that we are all salaried and well compensated makes the
rational part of me think that it all evens out
over the course of the year. Is it okay to
do errands and household tasks on the slow day? And
the answer just quickly. I'm not going to give the
full answer, but the first line is it's more than

(43:55):
okay to do these things during work hours. In fact,
it's essential. What wow, New York Times?

Speaker 2 (44:01):
No, well, you know, the New York's Times has definitely
dropped in standards a lot in recent years, hasn't it.
It used to be actually as we respected newspaper in
New York Times. Now it's a bit of a joke.
But that's that's, by the by ridiculous. If you're working
from home, you have to have the same rules as
the people that are working at work, right, So working
from home isn't a license to just be getting your

(44:24):
hair done, doing doing the washing, cutting your nails, whatever
you want to do. Having a spa, yeah, what flossing.
It's about working the eight hours that you are contracted
or employed to work, you need to sit at a
desk at home and work and take the same breaks

(44:46):
that are afforded to people and the officer on the site.

Speaker 5 (44:48):
What if I've got the slow cooker on and it
just needs a stir, So I'm just stepping away from
my laptop for two minutes just to give the slow
cooker a bit of a stir, maybe a bit of seasoning.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
What are you making a stew?

Speaker 5 (44:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (44:59):
You got to Irish dumplings in there.

Speaker 5 (45:00):
Yeah, bit of red wine.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
I'll I'll let you have one stair.

Speaker 5 (45:04):
I'll bring some to work with me. But genuinely, I
mean because this it happened in an office anyway. Right,
there are people on their laptops or on their computers.
They are looking at holidays, they are looking at face for.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
This is true. This is true, and that's not a
good thing either.

Speaker 5 (45:20):
That is life, Edmund during when you should be on
the clock.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yeah, well, I mean, how many people say they're going
to a meeting, but they're really just going to get
their hair done?

Speaker 13 (45:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (45:29):
How many people say they're going to a meeting but
they're just playing golf. Exactly what I'm saying is that. Look,
everyone knows that happens, and we're being realistic. Obviously at work,
I mean, you spend most of your time on Tinder
over there, and I don't.

Speaker 5 (45:43):
Report you, but I don't get any matches say.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
But all I'm saying is that should be the same
rules for you if you're at home, if you're if
you're taking the privilege and been afforded the privilege to
work from home and not come into the office or
come to site. You know, of course a lot of
trades can't work from home. It is working on their home,
but then you should. Then you should treat it exactly
like you're in the office. You should the same rule.

(46:08):
So you're allowed to coffee here and there, maybe allowed
to go and vape outside if that's what you're into,
But you should be working the same hours. You shouldn't
be doing the washing. You shouldn't be you know, you
shouldn't be mowing the lawns.

Speaker 17 (46:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (46:23):
I don't know. Look, I understand your point, but I
just think, you know, sometimes real life, as long as
you're not taking the MAC and you're meeting your KPIs
and maybe you make up the hours afterwards. But in
this company right here. We know that there's some people
here that will take a bit of an advantage during
the day to go down and get a haircut or
go to the bank because it's easier to go to

(46:43):
the bank nine to five Monday to Friday. And then
they come back and they work some extra hours. We're
not going to name names, or are we going to
name names, but we know it happens. People go down
and they get a haircut because it's easier to do
at eleven o'clock in the morning on a weekday.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
On a weekend. Do they work other hours?

Speaker 5 (47:00):
They did?

Speaker 2 (47:00):
They did, okay, and so so you know, I waite
hundred and eighty ten eighty. This isn't just a conversation
I don't want we've turned in a conversation between you
and me. Wait, hundred and eighty ten eighty. Do you
think if you're working from home that you should keep
the exact same rules as if you're working in the office, yep?
Or do you think that you can just be going
around trimming a tree in the backyard, painting the fence,

(47:22):
doing your nails.

Speaker 5 (47:24):
No stirring the slow cocker. Oh eight, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty love to hear your thoughts on this.
It is fourteen parts two.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Your home of Afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons
call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Talk said, be.

Speaker 5 (47:41):
Afternoon. It is seventeen past two, and we're talking about
doing errands and sometimes household tasks when you're on the clock,
but also when you're at work and your work primarily
involves a computer, is it okay to look at booking
a holiday, or pay bills or go on Facebook and
social media? And I guarantee ninety percent of people who

(48:04):
work on a computer would do some of those things.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
So you're saying, when we're throwing shade a people that
work from home, you're saying that people that work in
officers are slacking off as well. Obviously, obviously, if you're
an employee, you're not paying for someone to book their
travel or online shop or buy a bunch of crap
off TMU to be brought into the economy and thrown
in landfill. But it's not what you're that's not what
you're paying them to do. You're paying them to work

(48:26):
for the for the eight hours that they're there. So
so you think it's okay for people. I'd love to
hear from employers one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Do
you think it's okay for your for your work, your
workers to be on Facebook? That's what you're saying.

Speaker 5 (48:41):
I'm just saying it's realistic. I mean, what would be
so if you're catching an employee on Facebook at all
during the day, what would be the ramification. I just
think it's realistic too. You know, there's a lot of
a lot of young workers out there that can't resist
a wee cheeky look on Facebook. And is that really
impacting their eight hour day that much?

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Yes? Hi, a great topic. Do you mean, Oh, hang on,
that's the wrong that's that's that's back on the previous topic. Right,
Workers at home are trying to be quasi influencers who
travel and earn. Home homeworking should require regular psychological assessments
to check responsibility in desk, discipline, and check circumstances or

(49:20):
like a warrant of fitness.

Speaker 5 (49:21):
Yeah, exactly, And this Texas says, Hey, guys, I work
from home and start my home slash work desk at
seven thirty am. No traffic between my bed and office
and there's no traffic to the kitchen for lunch or
in the evening to get back in front of my
loving family. So I'm all good with washing my undies
as part of my business. Eight hour day from Simon.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Yeah right. Let's listen to this from Mike in the
book Working at Home during the IT Revolution, published in
eighteen thirty nine. Eighteen thirty nine. Wow, was there an
IT revolution in eighteen thirty nine.

Speaker 5 (49:54):
This seems a little bit early.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
We'll look into this, but I'll continue. Written by cushy
and sweetmen at all, they say, if there is downtime,
then productive housework promotes morale and therefore more productivity.

Speaker 5 (50:05):
See that makes sense to me. I don't know about
the whether that book exists, but if you have a
worker that is allowed to do some life admin, hopefully
doesn't that make them more productive and appy.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
It's an interesting question because it sort of goes against
what I was saying before. But if you are getting stressed,
they've done studies to find if you just get a win,
any kind of win, then it destresses you. And you
know you've got working memory, and you've got long term memory,
and your working memory only has four slots that you
can fill with things that you can handle doing right

(50:37):
before you get stressed. I there's too many things happening.
You know this problem that you can email about that whatever.
But your brain resets if you just successfully do something
like make a sandwich, because then you're the primitive part
of your brain goes okay, we're winning now, and so
it de stresses. So there might be something in that
in that when you're getting stressed, if you go and

(50:57):
do the laundry, say if you're working at home, that
if you've successfully done that, then you might be more
productive afterwards. It's an interesting idea, but I still don't
believe that there was an IT revolution in nations.

Speaker 5 (51:07):
Setting on Oh, eight hundred eighty is the number to call, Paul?
Where do you sit on this.

Speaker 18 (51:13):
Very simple guys? Sorry I forgot which one of you
says it's okay to be on.

Speaker 5 (51:17):
Facebook me Tyler, Well, you're.

Speaker 18 (51:21):
The bad guy, right because I'm an employer, and I'm
sorry mate, I'm old school. I'm an old fossil of
employee people for years and years, and you come to work,
you do a day's working. During your smokeos and during
your age breach, you did on your facebooks and did
what the hell you like, But don't do the personal
stuff on a work computer during tom That's not what

(51:41):
I pay you for.

Speaker 5 (51:42):
That's my perspective, and that is a fair perspective. So
if you caught one of your employeers having a look
at social media during the work day, would that be
a pretty stern talking to Paul?

Speaker 18 (51:52):
Oh would said, You've been sorry, mate, You're not employeed
to do that. You've got time during your smoker's happy
for you to do that during your own time. But
I'm employee to do the job i'mploy you to do.
Not look at Facebook for yourself?

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Would you not look? What if that employee was achieving
at a level that you were happy, happy with?

Speaker 18 (52:12):
Man, that employee is a super high achiever that same thing.
You'll be rewarded here, You'll be rewarded in other ways.
But man, workers work on personals personal, keep them personal.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
And what sort of breaks do you think are okay?
I know that there's a statue tree.

Speaker 18 (52:28):
Breaks, normal breaks, mate, where I'm in manufacturing the normal
breakmoco as in lunch times as an afternoon of morning.

Speaker 17 (52:36):
Smoke us years.

Speaker 18 (52:36):
Actually it takes fen in there before work by all
means and knock yourself out on your own your own
Facebook and personal computers.

Speaker 5 (52:44):
Well, what if Paul, one of your workers came to
you and said, I'm I'm at a bind boss and
I've got to get to say the lawyers, and the
only time I can see him is during the weekday
at ten am. Can I get an hour off and
I'll make it up in the weekend. Would that be
an acceptable use of that time?

Speaker 18 (53:01):
We are incredible employers. May we look after people? So
anything like that, it's a huge give and take. We
look after people on Center, I draw the line out
personal stuff going to the lawyer not a problem. We're
looking after you for that. But Facebook and team and
all that. Sorry, mate, that's your only thing doing in
your own time.

Speaker 5 (53:18):
Yeah, fair enough to And.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
What do you I mean obviously obviously in your time,
pol you've caught people on on social media or or
doing personal stuff in their work time. And how do
you deal with that as an employer?

Speaker 18 (53:31):
And you're very simply, we've got rules, we got regulations,
you've got employment contracts. You say, come on, make fear
suck of the said, it's not it's not a fair deal.
I'm not I'm not a Demi googe. I don't rent
and rave. We just have a heart to hard chet
to say, come on, you know, I'm fear to you.

Speaker 6 (53:46):
You be fear to meat.

Speaker 18 (53:47):
Let's get to spect on uneven kid and level levels
playing fields.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
I suppose you're not in the position, if you're in manufacturing,
to have too many people that work from home.

Speaker 18 (53:57):
Now, see this whole work from home, it doesn't doesn't
to muster for me. You can't work from home when
you're manufacturing product when you've got trucks delivering, trucks to
deliver rules, materials, r also trucks taking away just doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Yeah, but if you do, let's just say hypothetically, because
you've been in the business a long time, you've dealt
with a lot of employees. But hypothetically, would you expect
people if they were if it was a situation where
you had people that work from home, would you expect
them to keep the same hours as people that were
coming in and working on site.

Speaker 5 (54:26):
It's yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, I mean straight up sere Yeah, Paul,
you're good. Thanks for giving us a bars really appreciating
straight up individual. Paul, certainly, oh eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. And if
you want to send a text nine two ninety two,
some good techs coming.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Through, great show guys, rework from home? Is that then
okay to watch a bit of Talley after dinner and
then get up and do some work emails at nine
thirty pm for two hours?

Speaker 6 (54:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (54:54):
I mean that's the thing, isn't it?

Speaker 5 (54:56):
Yeah? I mean to me and I this is hard
to articulate my argument here because I'm not getting much support.
But that's the difference between taking the mick and if
you're a good worker and if you're doing something like
you say, you're doing the lawn or there's something there's
a little bit of home admin that you're stressing about
and it's going to take you a couple of minutes
or five minutes to sort out. Then you're back to
work and you're just as productive, if not more productive.

(55:19):
Then that to me is an okay scenario.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Okay, would you how about this? Tyler? Would you accept
that you should then message your boss and say I'm
just taking fifteen minutes to the laundry now and then
get back to your computer and do some work. And
they say Look, I'm just going to take another fifteen
minutes now to cut my nails and then get back
and do another three minutes and then text I'm just
off for a shower. You see what I'm saying. Yeah,
because why if you're working from home, should you be

(55:44):
treated any different from someone that's coming in the office.

Speaker 5 (55:46):
Oh eight hundred eighty sen eighty is the number to call.
Love to get your thoughts on this. Twenty five pass too.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
So here is good in hard mad Heath and Tyler
Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
on News Talks.

Speaker 5 (56:01):
V News Talks. Heb it is twenty seven pass too,
and we're talking about is it okay to look at
social media? Do life? Edmond at work? A lot of
texts coming through on this one. Oh one hundred and
eighteen eighty is the number to call as well.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Guys, you're making it too simple, which's way more complicated
than it is. Yeah, again that makes sense. There's tautology
of a sentence, there isn't it.

Speaker 6 (56:22):
Guys.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
You're making it way too simple, making it way more
complicated than it is. I don't want to pull up
a texture on a torutology, I mean horses for course.
So sometimes you an'swer emails at night, you take phone calls,
you do things on the weekend that you don't need
to do, et cetera. So during the work week, if
you're working from home, it's only for you pop down
the shops and you do those bits and pieces I
mean salary work. It should just be fair as long

(56:46):
as long as long as long as you do your
fair amount of work that you have got to do,
then it shouldn't matter one way or the other. See
that person has wasted a lot of term if they're
working from home, because everything as long as long as long.

Speaker 5 (56:58):
It feels like a rush text they're on the clock
sending that one.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
I get that, and on a very simple way of
looking at it. I remember when I worked at Real Groovy Records,
we had a clocking, you know, like a Fred flint
Z own clocker. Yes, yeah, and you would at staff
meetings which they'd be like you were three minutes late
or whatever, and then try and go OCCU play. But
they were never at the end of the day, yeah,
five point thirty. They were like, if you're with a customer,
you couldn't just go I'm out and clock out at

(57:23):
five thirty.

Speaker 5 (57:24):
Yeah, and they never say we owe you five minutes.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Yes, So I mean most workers these days do you
end up answering emails and doing weird stuff outside of
the work And maybe that's the problem, but a lot
of people end up on their phone when they shouldn't
be working. Welcome to the show, Adrian.

Speaker 7 (57:39):
You're an employer, Yeah, yeah, I'm a manager company in
the health sector.

Speaker 5 (57:47):
And what's your thoughts about life edmin during work hours?

Speaker 19 (57:54):
So, I mean it's an inevitable fact, really that it's
going to happen. So in our Code of Conduct, which
full employees sign and understand, we have a clause in
there that talks about fair and reasonable use of work computers,

(58:15):
emails for personal stuff.

Speaker 7 (58:18):
But because so and so, we're reasonably tolerant. However, it's
not so much people using the time that concerns us.
It's the access and the cyber security issues that that
can cause. So we're not we wouldn't mind you going

(58:39):
on a New Zealand and booking.

Speaker 19 (58:41):
A flight because their site is normally reasonably safe. But
we don't really encourage people a want people on the
various social media platforms and doing that sort of thing.
We've got good cybersecurity, but you know we've always got
to be on the on the cautious.

Speaker 6 (58:59):
Side of that.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
So through social media, someone could get into your system.
Is that possible?

Speaker 7 (59:06):
Well, there's there are lots of.

Speaker 19 (59:10):
Players out there that try to access systems of all
organizations and you know, personal emails, social media at various
you know websites where you go on to purchase things.
You know, they're often places that attacks can come from.

Speaker 5 (59:33):
I mean it sounds almost like an honesty system, Adrian,
But like any honesty system, if someone's taking the mech
and that's spending all day looking at in New Zealand
holidays or pain insurance or whatever it may be, then
you've got to pull them up right.

Speaker 6 (59:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (59:47):
So we have a software package on our system that
the staff know that's there and that tracks all their
Internet usage and if they are doing turn up, which
I get a report on, and if they're doing things
that I don't really feel is acceptable, we just have

(01:00:13):
a chat and you know point out that you know,
would I'd rather not be spending as much time or
not activating, not going on to particular sides.

Speaker 5 (01:00:26):
Yeah, and just with those you know employees these days, Adrian,
do you think that is a big part that if
you if you want some of those talented employees, that
is part and parcel that you're going to have to
face that they want to do those things. And I know,
you know, arguably it's a buyers market right now. It's
not fantastic in the employment realm, but that is a

(01:00:46):
condition for some of these employees that they get to
have a better home edman time.

Speaker 19 (01:00:51):
So I think I think the key thing is that
you need to be a good employer. We believe we
are very good employers in all aspects. It's not just
that you pay a good wage, but you provide good
conditions for people, but that we expect people to perform

(01:01:12):
and we need the job done. We work in a
very very busy industry, which is you know, help and
so I don't expect anybody that is working an eight
hour day to be flat tacked for eight hours a day.
You know, I expect downtime and I expect, you know,
if I walk into a room and these two or

(01:01:33):
three people having a chat, I'm not going to get
upset or offended. I'll probably join in to be honest,
because we all need those little micro breaks. And I
think the fairer you are with your team, the better
they work for you. And if you're, you know, an

(01:01:55):
overall good employer that has these sort of things, I
think people want to do a good job for you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Well, you sound like a fear and decent man, Adrian.
One final question for you, how do you feel about
employees or employees is bringing us talks? He'd be during
work hours.

Speaker 19 (01:02:16):
As long as as long as in my team members
and that Tony, how wonderful we are. That's fine.

Speaker 5 (01:02:20):
Encourage Adrian.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Thank you very caol Adrian, I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:24):
Yeah, great call. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty
Really can you get your thoughts on this one? Headlines
with Raylen coming.

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Speaker 20 (01:03:51):
See what we're actually trying to do here is we're
just we're trying to get a feel for how people
spend their day at work. So if you would, would
you walk us through a typical day for you?

Speaker 17 (01:04:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (01:04:05):
Great, Well only come in at least fifteen minutes late.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
I use the side door now why lumberd can't see me?

Speaker 20 (01:04:15):
And after that, I just sort of space out for
about an hour.

Speaker 21 (01:04:19):
Time space out.

Speaker 20 (01:04:23):
Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks
like I'm working.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
I do that for probably another hour after a launch too.
I'd seen a given week, I probably only do about
fifteen minutes of real actual work.

Speaker 5 (01:04:39):
Oh so good.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
That's from the office space fantastic movie.

Speaker 5 (01:04:43):
Yeah, brilliant. And that is what we're talking about here,
is doing a life admin and other sort of household tasks.
Why you should be on the clock? Is it ever? Okay?
I one hundred and eighty teen eight y is the
number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Here's a text that thinks it's okay to do whatever
you want. An employer doesn't own me. I own me.
The idea I should work eight hours a day is ridiculously.

Speaker 6 (01:05:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Okay, well that's what it's for now. I got to
read it as we do verbatim. It's my life. I'll
do what i want, work from home I want. It's
not slave labor, my life, my time. I'll work as
hard or as loose as I want with my time.

Speaker 5 (01:05:18):
Wow, as hard and as loose with their.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Time what does working loose me?

Speaker 5 (01:05:22):
I don't know, and is it the time if they're
on the clock, that is that's a bold text. Get
really keen to hear from you on this one, Alex,
what's your what's your thoughts on this?

Speaker 22 (01:05:33):
Hi, guys, Well, there's a couple of schools of thought.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
Really.

Speaker 22 (01:05:38):
The first thing I would like to say is that
you've kind of missed a bit a bit out of
the text. What the person said when they text you
was that their working time comes in cycles. So at
parts it's very very busy, wish where whoever that person
is works six days a week and at other times,

(01:05:59):
you know, quiet, so that person is on a salary.
So I would think that it probably all balances it out.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
So you think, as long as you are as productive
as you need to be, it doesn't matter so much
when you particularly get the work done.

Speaker 15 (01:06:17):
Well.

Speaker 22 (01:06:17):
A lot of companies who have employees who work from home,
they don't have a stipulation as to what the working
hours are. It's the amount of time that you spend working.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Right, So so does that so if some people have
to come into the office, do you think that the
people in the office should be able to operate in
that same sort of way, Alex. So you know, if
you're at home, and as this person is written in
the article, they believe if they have to do the laundry,
they do the laundry. So if someone's working in the

(01:06:52):
office as well, do you think that that's the same
for them. If they feel like they need to go
out to the chemists, they'll just go out to the chemists.
So that the rules should be the same between the
office and work.

Speaker 22 (01:07:00):
From home, Well, it depends on the employer, of course,
But you know, people in the office can fudge what
they're doing very very easily, and they can sit there
a lot, very very busy. They can spend a lot
of time chatting and annoy and annoy. There are other
coworkers who are actually trying to work, true, So you know,

(01:07:23):
it's a hard one and I think different jobs work differently.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
A lot of.

Speaker 22 (01:07:31):
A lot of people who work remotely now are in
customer services, so you know, they're flatstick when the calls
are coming through and then a bit quiet when they're not.
And as that person was saying, they're always available. They
always have their phone with them. So if they went
to put the laundry on and somebody contacted them, or
they'd have to just stop and go and do what

(01:07:52):
they needed to do for that customer or client or whoever.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Alex, if you don't mind me asking, do you work
from the home or do you work in on site?

Speaker 22 (01:08:03):
I have done both. I'm actually a kitchen and bathroom designer,
so I find working in my home office a lot
more productive than working in an office where I get
annoyed by Rex coming in and people popping their head
around the corner to interrupt me. And that's kind of
really hard when you've got your head into a plan

(01:08:25):
and you're concentrating and designing and doing that. And I
think a lot of people probably also find that if
they're trying to get something done. You know, it's sometimes
employers don't like you shutting your office door either, or
you might be in an open plan situation. Sometimes it's
really hard to be productive when you've got a whole

(01:08:46):
lot of stuff going on around you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Yep, Yeah, that's interesting. Did you find though, and this
is slightly off topic, Alex, that you miss the comaraderie
of work and the social interaction, even annoying as it
can be. Sometimes when you went from home.

Speaker 15 (01:09:03):
In my role.

Speaker 22 (01:09:04):
No, because for me, you know, i'd be on the
phone too, you know, different people like supplies and things
like that. And also because I would be out and
about seeing clients as well. And you know, with the
cabinet makers, I would be using I would pop on
or you know, when I was working for a cabinet maker,

(01:09:26):
you would be in near a couple of days the
week anyway. But so you know, swings and roundabouts. But
I think people have to be fear as employees and as.

Speaker 5 (01:09:37):
Employees, yeah, nicely said.

Speaker 22 (01:09:40):
And you know, yeah, you know you shouldn't take the
mickey because you don't also bite the hand that feeds you.

Speaker 5 (01:09:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Yeah, absolutely, think if you call Alex, it's always bad
to take the money. Yeah, And that's a r have
just said. That was a glob thing to say. Sometimes
it's great to take the money.

Speaker 5 (01:09:54):
It can be fun. Yeah, And we're going to take
more of your calls very shortly. But here's why I
think it's such an interesting discussion because we just went
too far the other way. Right after COVID, we all
worked at home and everybody was taking the money in
a bad way. And I just well a lot of
people were taking the mickey, and then when this particular
person in this article is talking about going to the store,
starting dinner, doing some laundry, doing a bit of cleaning,

(01:10:16):
the vacuum cleaning. I still think there's a little bit
of sense of that that is back in those days
where they people can do what they want because it's
crazy times in the world and they're at home. But
is that just the way of the world now that
some time of your day is spent for life admin,
that is just the way of the world.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Well, this Texas says it's much worse for women, and
women should have more ability to work at home because
they have more because we have more ADMIN to do,
we do more in a domestic environment, so it's unfair
to ask us to be in the office or to
work the same hours in the same way men do.

Speaker 5 (01:10:52):
Well, that is very controversial. Oh ight on undred and
eighty ten eighty, If you want to respond to that texture.
It is sixteen to.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
Three matt Heath Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon
rolls on mad Heathan Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 5 (01:11:06):
Sa'd be thirteen to three, Yeah, and we're talk talking
about what you should and shouldn't be allowed to do
when you're working from home or working in the office.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Can you be on Facebook in the office? Should people
that work from home have to operate in the exact
same way working office? And someone textas says you've said
this text here, you guys need to learn the difference
between on salary and working an hourly rate. Text are
as we said at start of the hour, we're talking
about people on salary. Yeah, because if you're just working

(01:11:34):
an hourly rate and it's completely flexible, then of course
you can do what you want. This doesn't really apply.

Speaker 5 (01:11:38):
Yeah, that was a given from the get go, was all.
We're talking about salary here.

Speaker 6 (01:11:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:11:41):
Yeah. And you mentioned a text before from a female
text who said that woman should be able to work
from home and do these chores more often than men
and shouldn't have to come to the office. That has
upset a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
Her assertion was that women have more to do in
the domestic life, more admin in general to do in life,
so they've got a very different experience from men.

Speaker 5 (01:12:04):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
She's the prime example of why some employees avoid hiring women,
and then they wonder why, why deal with all that
drama when you don't have to do some there'd be
an interesting topic. Do some employers avoid hiring women? I
don't know. There seems to be a lot of employed women. Yeah, exactly, Sorry,
that text is wrong and it's bes What about all

(01:12:26):
the single male parents out there? Have a thought for them?
I bet you haven't. Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 5 (01:12:30):
So if you want to respond to that, teach you
more than welcome to.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
It's kind of a different topic. It's kind of like
leaving the motorway. They're down a different exit.

Speaker 5 (01:12:39):
We said it was controversial, and it's right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
People up, but we're happy to take any text or
any call. Skivis call owe one hundred and eighty ten
eighty four lines.

Speaker 5 (01:12:45):
But keep trying if you can't get through, Darren, what's
your view on this?

Speaker 14 (01:12:51):
Yeah, good afternoon. Your last gentleman caller and your last
lady caller both had some pretty valid points, which I
was going to mention the same sence point was just
going over the same thing.

Speaker 6 (01:12:59):
But I think.

Speaker 14 (01:13:01):
Employers generally show a lot of flexibility. It's you know,
people the employee is. Employers will say yes for certain
things and then after a while, the employer says no,
and that's generally because that person could have been taken
the mickey like you've mentioned, or they just ask too
much but they don't actually produce too much in comparison.
There's no trade off, so it's not just a yes

(01:13:23):
or a no answer. There's a number of different things
going on. That's why we have individual employment contracts, the
old IEA. But I think if i'm most employeers buy
and large try and do the right thing by the
employee because I wanted to turn up to the next day.

Speaker 23 (01:13:35):
To do the job.

Speaker 14 (01:13:36):
But I think if we all take a back seat though,
there's one thing we're all missing or not no one
seems to be talking about here. It's the customer. A
we're all customers after five o'clock. But everyone wants to
seem to run away from the work that's actually serving
the customer, that's keeping them in a job. So there
is a bit of give and take from both sides.
But you've got to think about future paypack and safe.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point. Are
we very good at assisting where the people?

Speaker 17 (01:14:01):
Other thing too?

Speaker 14 (01:14:01):
Just been with the customer? You know, how would you
feel if you're you know, let's talk. You mentioned about
some office workers or people other people working from. But
if you're anywhere, I don't know, a Rose shop, Bunning's
super cheap Ordo pack and say while you're being served,
the person just says, oh, my mate's text me. I've
got to go on to grab at youal now and
start book a holiday for this weekend. It's a really

(01:14:21):
good deal. Won't be too long mate. How long do
you think customers are going to put up with that
sort of carry on?

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Well, Darren, I have to put up with Tyler on
Tinder the whole time over there, not concentrating. How good
you think, Darren? We are assessing where there's someone is
an employee is because everyone says are they productive? And
a lot of the text are coming through as long
as you get the work done. And it's different if
you're behind a counter or whatever, as you say, Darren,
But in the job where you're not in customer facing.

(01:14:48):
How good do you think we are actually at assessing
whether someone is productive or not. You can have your
employment contract individual employment contract, but how do you actually
know if they're productive or they're giving you enough? Are
we good at that?

Speaker 17 (01:15:04):
Well?

Speaker 14 (01:15:05):
We always want more you know, like put your hand
up as high as you can go, and then you
ask them to give them give another inch and they
give you another rench. But why didn't they do that
the first time? It's it's just human nature.

Speaker 13 (01:15:15):
It's what we do.

Speaker 14 (01:15:16):
But I think we all need to think about the
next person sometimes instead of worrying about ourselves too much.
And things do balance themselves out if we're all scratching
each other's back. And that's what they call a quality
in modern work, in modern terms, but there seems to
be a lot of that gone.

Speaker 7 (01:15:30):
Everybody's just about I.

Speaker 23 (01:15:31):
I want to do this, I want to do that.

Speaker 5 (01:15:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's very nice, Yeah, very nicely, said Darren.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
Deep from you, Darren.

Speaker 5 (01:15:37):
I appreciate it absolutely. It is eight minutes to three,
begvery shortly here on Newstalks.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
'd be the issues that affect you and a bit
of fun along the way. Matd Heath and Taylor Adams
afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
I'd be.

Speaker 5 (01:15:53):
Afternoon, runny. How are you?

Speaker 22 (01:15:56):
Oh good? Thank you?

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
How are you very good?

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
Now?

Speaker 5 (01:15:58):
You work from home?

Speaker 23 (01:16:00):
I have been looking from home for about seventy years.
I've changed jobs as well. So what I what I
would like to say is like you can't those things.
It has extreme situations because I mean working from home
and sort of going to take you know, put the
get the chicken, or those freeze or something is quite

(01:16:22):
different from you going out and sort of doing your
gardening and you know, washing and all sorts of stuff
that takes much longer like and working from But the
difference I've done both working exclusively from office, even working
from office. In the office, you get water cooler conversations,

(01:16:44):
death conversations, kitchen conversations. I mean, there's there's quite a
lot of time wasted there as well, even though you're
officially in the office so you're not in your desk.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Is that time all wasted or is it because you know,
people say that that kind of interaction is great for
your mental health.

Speaker 23 (01:17:04):
Yeah, I mean, I guess, but that's different from somebody.
So if you're at home, you will have your teams
or zoom conversations, but that is usually about work. But
you know, if you have a water cooler conversation with
some people and then kitchens and you know, all sorts
of places it in the office, that's not usually about work.

(01:17:24):
So if you just look at the time spent or aversus.
If you term the other one less time wasted probably
or non officials, then I feel that essentially at the
office you do spend there's quite a large proportion of unseen,

(01:17:46):
sort of unacknowledged time that is not spent on working.

Speaker 5 (01:17:53):
Yeah. I don't think there's a distinction between taking the
checking out and mowing the lawn, for example, or getting
down to the post office. But good discussion.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Thank you if you call running. We've run out of
time on this topic, but it's been a great.

Speaker 5 (01:18:04):
One, certainly has Thank you to everyone who phoned and
text on that one. Right coming up to three o'clock.
The price of keeping up pit? Are we spending too
much on our beloved dogs, cats, parrots?

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
How cheaply can you keep a pit?

Speaker 6 (01:18:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:18:19):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty if you want
to get an early Andrew is standing by a new
sport and weather on its way. You're listening to matt
and Tyler. Very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
Your new homes are instateful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
On news Talk Sebby.

Speaker 5 (01:18:47):
Get a to you. Welcome back into the show seven
past three.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Tell you what's interesting being here in the my Costing
Memorial studio because outside there everyone's getting ready for the
radio awards. So there's a whole what would you call
it a makeup room being set up there, a dressing room, mate, ye,
backstage area, green room.

Speaker 5 (01:19:07):
Everyone's getting gold ammed up out there looking resplendent. There's
a sharkuterie board.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Yeah, there's there's lovely frocks and impressive here and makeup,
and there's people working walking around tuxedos.

Speaker 5 (01:19:20):
Yeah. The radio awards, of course start in about two
hours time now. Just on the cheeseboard. I did see
you go for a little bit of Canon beer and
Carrie kerry woodem came up to you and see if
slapped my hand Yees.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
Are you getting your hair and makeup?

Speaker 13 (01:19:32):
None?

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
No, because they've all put in for the hair and makeup,
so we're not allowed that near that.

Speaker 5 (01:19:38):
Do we get drinks in here?

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
Though?

Speaker 5 (01:19:39):
I think I can see there's drinks are flowing, so there's.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
Mimosas out there. I don't think we're allowed those either,
all right?

Speaker 5 (01:19:44):
I reckon Andrew could sneak us a couple.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Maybe, well maybe I stole a bag of the snacker Championships.
That'll teach them they can't stop me.

Speaker 5 (01:19:51):
Yeah right, This is going to be a great discussion
for the next forty five minutes. The real cost of
owning pets in New Zealand, so the cost of living
crisis is affecting the furry and four leggod members of
the family. According to a new survey from bd PIT Insurance,
half of pet owners say they've cut back their personal
expenses to afford pit here and just underhalf of have
cut back spending on their pets while still trying to

(01:20:13):
maintain a similar quality for them. And I think a
lot of pet owners would know the cost of owning
many pets is crazy. Are very very expensive beans?

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Yeah? But did they do they have to be.

Speaker 6 (01:20:29):
Eighty?

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
Can you look after a dog cheaply? Because everyone when
you read this article, it's like it's so expensive, listening
all these things, listening all these things. But have we
just been sold the lie that pets are expensive?

Speaker 13 (01:20:40):
Cook?

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
Can we not just buy a huge like dogs? For example,
they'll eat anything. Yeah, dogs will eat absolutely anything. Dogs
will put their faces anywhere, dogs will eat things so disgusting.
Dogs will eat things that have been made by other dogs,
if you know what I'm saying. Yeah, so, and yet
we're spending all this money on fancy special dog food

(01:21:01):
for these beasts that don't care. Shouldn't you just buy
the cheapest bulk biscuits and feed the dog and the
dogs happy, maybe hipping something off the plate every now
and then. And why is it so expensive to keep
a dog?

Speaker 5 (01:21:11):
Well, that is a good point, and maybe I've fallen
into this trap. But we spend one hundred and sixty
bucks for a bag of dog food for Pepper, our
dog as long does it lasts just over a week.
So that is an excessive amount of money.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
My god?

Speaker 5 (01:21:25):
Why because we went down this massive rabbit hole of
quality of life? And so it's part raw food, it's
part dry food. Apparently this is the krem de la
creme of dog food. That's going to mean Pepper lives
a long and happy life. And maybe I've been sucking
in maybe just some stock standards, you know, ten kilo
bag of kibble would do just fine. Yeah, but then

(01:21:46):
the treats on top of that, Oh man, so she
gets these you've heard of the ball pizzles.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
This isn't a cost of living crisis. This is a
cost of insanity crisis. So these bullpulls pizzles. Let me
tell you about the ball pizzles. So it's effectively and
I'm not being crude here, but it's dried ball penises
and effectively excuse me, Tyland.

Speaker 5 (01:22:05):
Yeah, but Pepper, she really enjoys them and it keeps
her quiet for a good hour because it takes a
long time to chew through these these ball pizzles. But
that bag of pizzles for we get fifteen, that's another
sixty bucks she gets through one of those every two weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
Wow. Yeah, you're getting paid too much for Matt and
Tyler afternoon. It's going to go so long and go
back and look at your contract. So so do you
think that it's absolutely necessary for you to spend that
much money on Pepper or because what I'm saying here,
we've got this whole article and it's basically winging and
whining that dogs are so expensive. But I would say

(01:22:41):
it's just that people have either been tricked or are
choosing to overpamper their dogs and cats. And I would
say that that's more in your mind than it is
in the dog or cat's mind.

Speaker 5 (01:22:53):
Cat doesn't care. Cats ale eat rats, Yeah, give cats
and jelly meat. You can get some pretty cheap jelly meat.
What is it chefs? Yep?

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Is it chefs? Is that the good one?

Speaker 5 (01:23:02):
I think chiefs?

Speaker 6 (01:23:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:23:03):
Cats perfers share?

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
How many? How much is it for a bloody can
of chefs?

Speaker 5 (01:23:08):
Not a lot?

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
And that's all you need to give a dog chefs
and water and they're happy.

Speaker 5 (01:23:11):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. I'm telling you, I
mean if we stick with food specifically, maybe I have
just been sold a bit of a fantasy here. But
you care about your dog's life, right, you want it
to live as long as possible, and the food aspect,
particularly for dogs, and maybe it's the same for cats.
To me, it's confusing as all. Well, you know this
big trend about raw food. We had her on raw

(01:23:32):
food for a little bit, and then I started to
read some more stuff that apparently raw is not good
for a dog. So maybe maybe I'm falling into a
trap here.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
It's a cost of insanity crisis I'm looking at if
we go to cats here, I'm looking at a just
because this is what we used to feed our cats
when I was a kid on the Farm Chef's classic
wet cat food chicken and lamb. Yeah, for sixty nine
for seven hundred grams. I mean, so that would that
would last a couple of weeks for a cat, wouldn't it. Well,
let's say let's say it lasts a week. That's for

(01:24:02):
sixty nine. You're currently for your dog? What are you
spending a week? And then there's the vet bills and
you've got daycare.

Speaker 5 (01:24:07):
Green pet insurance we pay for that? Oh wait, hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call? How much
is too much to spend on a pet?

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
And can you keep a pet cheaply and love it
just as much as insane people like Tyler?

Speaker 5 (01:24:20):
It's twelve past three afternoon, it is quarter past three,
and we're talking about the cost of owning a pet,
and particularly around food, dog food, cat food, bird food.
I suppose I mentioned before we spend roughly one hundred
and sixty bucks for just over a week and a
bit's worth of food for our dog. Have I fallen

(01:24:41):
into a bit of a trap of lunacy around The
argument is that good food means people will live a
long and happy and healthy life, and that's what we
want out of it pets.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
Right, Yeah, I think you've been ripped off myself. And
I think people that are winging about how expensive it
is to keep a pet just just not making sensible
decisions around their pets. Oh eight hundred said it, said it, Warren,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (01:25:05):
Yes, good chaps, about living a healthy life with the
good dog food. About ten years ago, we went on
a fishing trip off Tawanna and there's a bunch of
blakes didn't know each other. So myself and this old
boy line we got the groceries together. So everyone's having
a beer as we left harbor, and we made these
beautiful crackers with this beautiful meat patai on it, and

(01:25:30):
we made a plate full and off we went, and
the boys were into them, scuffing them. And we went
back to the galley and we made another plate for
but this time I took out the big giant tinored
dog food which was on the crackers. The boys were
loving it. That's healthy, that's cheap, there's nutritious. The boys

(01:25:50):
got to know each other very well, very quickly. One
guy had two, he's a peg. One guy had two
in his hands and one in his mouth. He saw
the dog ten and he carried off.

Speaker 5 (01:26:00):
Wow, well we'll play the dog food.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
Are we talking here?

Speaker 6 (01:26:04):
I can't the big, the big meaty one that you
guys are mentioning. I think it's a big, chunky, big
chiefs red.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
I think a shifts is a classic.

Speaker 6 (01:26:15):
Everything. Yeah, you need, guys, So.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
You're flipping this on the head. Not only are people
spending too much on feeding their pets, we're spending too
much on feeding ourselves. And all we need is a couple.

Speaker 6 (01:26:25):
Of dead right, And the boys loved it, went back
for more. Yeah, Well it's interesting because the bloody restaurants
probably serve it up to you anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
Well, that's that's interesally because it is not for human
consumption on the side, And I've always wondered about that,
and I looked into a one point. It's more just around.
It's not for human consumption. It's more around the it's
more complicated than that. I mean, it's not because it
is not for human consumption doesn't mean it's going to
hurt you.

Speaker 5 (01:26:53):
Yeah, it just comes.

Speaker 6 (01:26:55):
Yeah years ago, we're talking late late sexties. I was
young color. I was at school in a little hit
town called bunny thowt by Shielding and there was we
started a little fundraising thing because we found then people
in Fielding were living on pet food because they couldn't
afford food. Then. Yeah, that's a true story. So it's

(01:27:19):
been going on for years in a serious mode.

Speaker 5 (01:27:22):
I'm surprised the boys went back for seconds, mate. I mean, well,
when you busted out the can of dog food, would
have thought they'd be rightmutiny.

Speaker 6 (01:27:29):
Oh it's great. I think they're on b A four
by then, so it was pretty painless. Painless.

Speaker 5 (01:27:34):
Yeah. Yeah, so you're still getting invited on those trips
now they know that you're feeding serving dog food.

Speaker 6 (01:27:41):
Yeah, well I ran the trip all right.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
People still coming with you now they dog foods on
the menu, cat food?

Speaker 6 (01:27:46):
Oh yeah. Some of them started personing against the side
of the boat.

Speaker 5 (01:27:50):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that happens. Yeah, I mean they're just
marking their territory, Warring. Yeah, you just need a we
spray bottle for that.

Speaker 6 (01:27:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
That was thanks for your call, Warren. It's interesting because
pet foods are tested for salmonella and other bacterial contaminants.
If they found they recalled just like food for humans,
dog nutrients require it's actually fairly similar to human as
they're both omnivores. Yeah, so in times of poverty and
in this case, times of humor, then you can just

(01:28:19):
munch munch into the cat or dog food. But that's
not really the topic. We've sort of gone off topic,
isn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:28:25):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean that there's a few techs coming
through about pet insurance as well, and that is another
element to this is we do have a pet insurance
and look, arguably we spend too much on the food department,
but peed insurance that is a hell I die on.
But a lot of people would say to us that
pet assurance is a waste of money. That if you
want to set aside some money each week yourself for

(01:28:47):
those vet bills because vets are crazy expensive. But I
don't know, pet insurance to me is a no brainer.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
Is it true that I've heard? Because we go to
a bow Moral vet and seems to be quite expensive,
But we go in to a vet right in the
middle of Auckland where everything's more expensive, car dealerships more
expensive that everything. If you just get in your car
and drive a bit further to a more sort of
rural ven, things.

Speaker 5 (01:29:09):
Get cheaper, right if you've got a discount vete. Oh wait,
one hundred eighty ten eighty is a number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
And fourteen months cas cost me fourteen thousand dollars at
the vet treatment, med's food and one diet. In the
same period I spent nine thousand animates for litter and
special food. My cats of necessity have to live in
a cattio, which they and I hate. What's a cattio?
So their treatment was not injury involved. The figure doesn't

(01:29:35):
take in the supermarket food. They're too old for insurance.
That's that's an insane amount of money.

Speaker 5 (01:29:41):
It is a lot of money. But see there you go,
Oh wait, hundred eighty ten eighty how much is too
much to spend on your pet? How much are you
spending on on your pet food and pet insurance? And
this raw diet situation, if you're on the raw diet,
love to hear from you. Is it just a fad
or is it actually, you know, makes sense or is
it just a bit of lunacy.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
And if you're a human on the chef diet, would
also love to hear from you.

Speaker 5 (01:30:01):
Twenty parts three Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams afternoons call.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
On us talk savvy. Jeez, Tyler, I'm starting to worry
that we're going to be underdressed at the radio Woods night.
There's a lot of people out there in taxas. A
lot of the guys are wearing black ties.

Speaker 5 (01:30:20):
Bow ties. Someone said it was smart casual, but.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
Elliott Smith looks resplendent.

Speaker 5 (01:30:25):
And we're in trouble man.

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
We are.

Speaker 5 (01:30:27):
We are talking about the cost of owning pets in
the current day and age. There's a survey by PD
Pit Insurance that's as many people are trying to cut
down on how much they spend on pits. Have we
just gone a bit crazy on how much we spend
on our dogs, cats, budgies, lamers, plenty of teas coming
through on nine two nine two.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
Hey guys, I've had many a pet none at the moment.
Only my chickens, best pits ever laying ear every day
and when they don't taste so good in the slow cooker,
cheap to run and low maintenance cheers the.

Speaker 5 (01:30:56):
Circle of life.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
So that's the reverse. See a chicken is the reversecaus
You got to ask yourself about how much how much
is your dog Pepper doing for you around the house?
Like what is Pepper's contribution to things doesn't like eggs? Yeah,
well the eggs Pepper lays you don't want to eat.

Speaker 5 (01:31:13):
Very true, Fraser.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
Welcome to the show, Fraser.

Speaker 9 (01:31:18):
Good afternoon, Tyler. Can you just give us those the
dolar fithers that you were spending on Pepper?

Speaker 5 (01:31:24):
Yeah, so it's a it's a mix of raw and
in kibble. It's one hundred and sixty dollars for three
kilograms and that lasts are about a week and a bit, right.

Speaker 9 (01:31:35):
I was just wondering if Pepper Action needs a playmate
called phrase because the sounds though we should be living
at your house mate.

Speaker 5 (01:31:42):
Come on around. It's good stuff.

Speaker 17 (01:31:45):
We have.

Speaker 9 (01:31:46):
We've got Roscoe. He's our pi's of blue heat across
their feet. We've put him on a dry diet, but
the yu can oberseat senior feet pod for a medium
sized style.

Speaker 18 (01:31:56):
Yeah, so we spend we spend.

Speaker 9 (01:31:58):
About I think the last one we've got was about
one hundred and eighty dollars and it'll last us six weeks.
And he will also get a mixture of beef bones
with his meal a couple of three times a week
as well. So yeah, I was just a little bit
gobsmack Tyler that your much beloved, much beloved Pepper is
probably probably eating more, far better than what the royal

(01:32:20):
family is.

Speaker 15 (01:32:21):
Mate.

Speaker 5 (01:32:21):
Yeah, well, some weeks she probably eats better than I do.
To be honest, have you thought.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
About that, Tyler? How much do you two you and
may have spend on food for yourself in a week.

Speaker 5 (01:32:30):
He's probably only a couple hundred bucks between both of us,
So yes, she's any better than that. But on this,
this your diet thing, Fraser, you must have heard this,
and it's something that's that's popped up in the last
couple of years. Do you think it's just to have
or there's something to it? Clearly the pet food industry
is a billion dollar industry. Is it just a bit
of a fad? Like anything? You know? They there's a

(01:32:51):
sucker born every minute.

Speaker 9 (01:32:53):
Yeah, I mean it's a it's the love of the piece.
And you've obviously got a well loved pit at homeful Pepper.
We have a well loved pit at home called Roscoe
and Biddy the cat, and Fiddy doesn't anything like Moscow does.

Speaker 7 (01:33:10):
Pretty pretty is just.

Speaker 9 (01:33:13):
Out of the out of the box. Standing dollars ninety.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
Nine a week, or whatever it is, fancy face.

Speaker 9 (01:33:19):
Yeah, and yeah, I just I just I was just doing.

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
It's just doing the mass and around money. Yeah, it's ridiculous.
Thanks you called Fraser. We're getting thinking about this is
a wider issue than just pets, because because so you're there,
you are bitching and complaining about how much you're spending
on your bitch. Yeah, yeah, and I and it's what
you're doing is you're choosing to spend that much money,

(01:33:47):
so you can't really complain. I was saying this to
my partner the other day. She was saying, how expensive
are our groceries? And I say, look at our groceries.
It's full of Musashi's. It's full of fancy this and
bloody fancy that. Yeah, you know, and you know, as
she said to me, little packed eat these sam things

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for breakfast, these little packs frozen salmon.

Speaker 5 (01:34:10):
Th beautiful, lovely.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
Yeah. So it's the same thing. I mean, we could
choose to eat a lot cheaper than we do. Yeah,
and you could choose to feed your dog a lot cheaper.
And you're being played for love because you love Pepper
so much that you're being your emotions have been played.

Speaker 5 (01:34:24):
For money, and is there anything wrong with that, Oh
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Speaker 5 (01:35:52):
Thank you very much, Raylan. We're talking about the costs
of having a pets in New Zealand. A lot of
people trying to cut down, but we have been talking
about the cost of premium dog and cat food. I
pay clearly quite a lot of money for our dog, Pepper,
one hundred and sixty bucks for just over a week
and a bit. But a lot of people talking about
raw diet and I can't get my head around the

(01:36:13):
raw diet.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
Jimbos.

Speaker 5 (01:36:15):
Yeah, Jimbos, that's example of raw diet.

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
Jimbo's is a treat. Yeah. But as I said before,
I don't think it's a cost of living crisis that
you can add pets onto as you're trying to. I
think it's just a luxury belief that you have to
feed dogs that kind of expensive food. You're just it's
suicidal empathy that you're running there. I'll come around, scissus text.

(01:36:38):
I'll come around and sort your peppers problem with the
old farm, shoddy scissus texture, no problems at all. You
can pay me with half the cost of your bag
of stupid bikies.

Speaker 5 (01:36:47):
I don't know if that kind of works because I
like Pepper, so Pepper's not the problem. It's just there,
doesn't solve any problems. It just creates problems. Like he
called it, your pepper problem, not your not your beloved pet.
Why would you get the money for taking away my pepper?

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
Greg, welcome to show.

Speaker 5 (01:37:08):
Yeah, good good, watch you here.

Speaker 16 (01:37:10):
I'm not long ago.

Speaker 21 (01:37:12):
Things are get into book tonight. So we were sort
of looking at the finances and I keep seeing this
two hundred and eighty dollars pop off. And asked the
wife what's this? And she's asked for dogs to get
a haircut. How much two hundred and eighty dollars? I
thought a FuG of us. I went out and bought
some dog cuppers and start doing it myself.

Speaker 2 (01:37:29):
Ah, and is your wife happy with the results?

Speaker 17 (01:37:32):
Why?

Speaker 21 (01:37:33):
An like, the poodle's fine, she just sits here. But
the ships who think she's a heart alsatian. Well, just
try and eat the clipper, try and lick your face,
try and jump off for the time I'm finished. She
looks she has been running over by the lawn mask.
That's not not ideal.

Speaker 5 (01:37:51):
That's why you pay money, you know, pay people money
for that sort of stuff. Because I'm with you, Greg,
I mean, just like trimming toenails on dogs can be
an absolute nightmare.

Speaker 6 (01:38:00):
I don't know how they do it.

Speaker 21 (01:38:01):
They must there must be all there must be a
trick like anything and make You were saying before about carryos.
So I've built quite a few cardyos to.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
And what I do, Yeah, what are kiddy goes?

Speaker 21 (01:38:11):
Well that's you basically build a small deck and then
build a giant boodcage that can be excessed from inside
the house and the kits can go outside. But not responsible, right,
not blink at three, four, five, six thousand dollars on
these things, depending on how big and first they want,
you know. So I'm just I call them crazy cat people.

Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
Well there's a lot of money to be made from
crazy cat and dog people like Tyler. Yeah, absolutely a
lot of money to me. Hey, now, Greg, the obvious
question when you started trimming your dogs, how do I
put this. There's a there's a there's a there's a
procedure that also needs to be done.

Speaker 5 (01:38:47):
Were you doing that procedure around yeah? Yeah, yeah, around
the rear end, around the rear end.

Speaker 15 (01:38:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:38:56):
Well, it's trying to stop the ship to from attacking
the coppers while you're trying to do that. That's what
she really doesn't like.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
Yeah, so you're basically what.

Speaker 21 (01:39:04):
I finally into do is you put a collar on
them on the really short lease and tie up so
she can't drop her head and sort of get down there.
So you can sort of that part. We need two
people to do it, though, because one's going to hold
the dog and the other one.

Speaker 6 (01:39:17):
To do the clipping.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
Yeah. Thank you so much for your call, Greg. Good
luck with that and good luck with the keadios. It
is an interesting point though, with trimming your dog, right,
so you could buy clippers, learn how to do it, whatever.
But if your dog does nothing like your dog Pepper
offers nothing to the world except for making you happy
and looking cute, right, Yeah, and so in that case
they need have a good haircut, yeah, because they look

(01:39:40):
badly cut up in like a sheet that's just been
through the sharing shed. Yeah, then then they're not doing
their job as of looking cute exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:39:48):
I mean, that's the one thing Pepper does have is
that she's a greyhound, so short haired, so she doesn't
need the groom in that much. But hey, Spenser food Jim.

Speaker 2 (01:39:56):
You've got some ideas on how to minimize the cost
of owning a dog.

Speaker 13 (01:40:00):
Well, first off, you could turn around and say don't
own one, then the problem goes away. But the true
two issues create cost for your dogs poor breeding and
poor diet. So start with the breeding. Anybody who spends
a little bit more by going to a breeder registered

(01:40:21):
with Dogs New Zealand or formerly the New Zealand Kennel
Club and doing their background checks on the breed they
want are likely to get an animal that does not
have genetic defects.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
That's a very good point that I hadn't thought of that.

Speaker 8 (01:40:37):
You see, the.

Speaker 13 (01:40:37):
Quality point is that the dogs that you get from
the backyard breeder, they look fluffy and they're wonderful, but
they've got all sorts of problems and the vet bills
that arise from that are horrendous. And you add to
that whether you've got a good bread or a mixed breed,
if you feed them rubbish, they are going to wind

(01:41:00):
up with health issues. So an answer to whoever it
was that said that the cheapest at the superman market's
good enough, No way, that stuff at the supermarket is
absolute crap, and that leads the dog to do the
same thing. So there are four or five major brands
available and they range in price from one sixty to

(01:41:23):
two hundred dollars for a up to a twenty kilo bag.
And seriously, mate three kilos at one hundred and sixty,
you should It's like feeding yourself caviat and Bravefish and
snapper every day of the week.

Speaker 9 (01:41:43):
Totally.

Speaker 5 (01:41:44):
It's not supermarket stuff, though, Gym this is. This is premium.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
Yeah, and that's the thing. What Gym's really is reiterating
my point that this isn't a cost of living crisis,
this is a cost of insanity crisis.

Speaker 5 (01:41:53):
Yeah. Well, do you know what I heard on my
cost Schmes show the other day was there's a new
industry of pet wine, so ketnip growing catnip in New
Zealand that they're going to turn into dog and cat wine.
How do you feel about that, Matt, he would you
you'd give Colin some dog wine from time to time?

Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
No, I would not, I will not. I love my
dog Colin more than life itself. But a bit of
Jimbos and a few walks and he's fine. As this
textas said, it just went down. So many texts coming through,
but someone was saying, basically, my dog loved to seventeen.
All we did is get him chasing deer every day.

Speaker 5 (01:42:26):
Yeah, what about this one? Guys? When I used to
be a butcher about twenty five years ago, my boss
would put Jimbo's in the premium mints section no complaints,
and it was an upmarket area in Auckland. Can you
keep your view on O one hundred and eighty ten
eighty it is twenty two to four bag very shortly,
have a.

Speaker 1 (01:42:44):
Chat with the lads on eighty ten eighty. Mad Heathen
Taylor Adams afternoons used talk.

Speaker 5 (01:42:50):
Said, be very good afternoon. We're talking about the price
of pet food. A lot of people are trying to
cut down, but there's no doubt about it that pet
food can be incredibly expensive, whether it's dog, cat, budgy,
whatever your pet may be. I spend one hundred and
sixty bucks on my dog Pepper, and people say I'm
a lunatic.

Speaker 2 (01:43:09):
Yeah, I say you're a lunatic.

Speaker 5 (01:43:10):
Yeah you are those people, Olivia.

Speaker 2 (01:43:13):
You want to talk about raw feeding, I do so.

Speaker 24 (01:43:17):
I'm a dog breeder of nearly thirty years. I'm started
out with Griffons, which I'm a Dog News Dogs New
Zealand registered breeder of them. And also there are a
lot of other reputable registries and stuff around these days.
Obviously the Kennel Club don't like to acknowledge that, but

(01:43:38):
there are because there's because we have such a broad
range of breeds that are now available in New Zealand
and colors and stuff like that that is not just that.
But anyway, raw food, I look at dry food as
McDonald's for animals, basically because I've been solely raw feeding

(01:44:00):
all of my dogs for nearly twenty years, so we
don't have any dry food at all on our at
our dogs. Actually, when I go to a different vet
and they try and give them a little treat thing,
most of the time my dogs turn their nose up
because they don't recognize it as food. Because so much
of the treats and bits and pieces that people are

(01:44:23):
trying to feed the dogs these days. It's just so
processed and it's just not you know, it's not right.

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
How are their teeth though, because I've told you want
to put them on the biokies for the good of
their teeth, Olivia.

Speaker 24 (01:44:35):
You no give them a bone? This is like this
is this is this throw a dog a bone. This
is what they're meant to be doing. It's it's good
for their not only their teeth, but it's good for
them their mental stimulation, you know, because half people wonder
why they come home and the dog's ripped up the

(01:44:56):
couch or it's done something like that, because it's it's
got nothing to do to be a dog. Because when
you when you feed them these crap processed diets, how
can they be a dog with that? They just consume it?

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
Like would would you take it to the to the
final degree of that and release live animals for them
to hunt and eat, because that would be them. I
thought that would be them fulfilling their full their full
genetic potential.

Speaker 5 (01:45:24):
But pretty tough for a griffin. The lovely dogs, but
you know they're not they're not They're not catching.

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
Much other French bulldofs and you could release.

Speaker 24 (01:45:35):
All three of them are certainly not I mean they
could take out a rabbits. See, this is the sort
of thing that I think about when I think about
what am making? What wore food? Am I going to
give my dogs? Is I think? Do I want to
give them beef?

Speaker 17 (01:45:49):
No?

Speaker 24 (01:45:49):
I don't because they wouldn't take down a cow in reality,
they wouldn't. So I hardly ever feed beef. I don't
feed chicken because so much of the chicken has got
is just so processed these days.

Speaker 4 (01:46:05):
Because beef chicken, what do you feed them?

Speaker 24 (01:46:09):
So I feed this amazing blend called carnivoro and it's
a rabbit, venison, goat and possum. So they're all wild
caught species. So you think about it, They're the why
all those bloody tests are going out there eating the
best of our native bosh, aren't they. So they're as

(01:46:30):
healthy as anything. And the place I used to work
for that that company is I know that he everything
is traced, you know, so because he's MPI audited and
does the export and all that sort of stuff. So
it's it took me probably ten years to find that
guy because I used to buy off a couple of

(01:46:51):
the big raw places around Auckland, and it just I
had nothing but problems, dogs getting sick, dogs not wanting
to eat the food, which unfortunately bat I'm sorry saying,
oh no, it's not good for them. No, it's not
a yuse. Of course it's good for them, because that's
what war than dogs and everything evolved on. But you've

(01:47:12):
got to make sure you buy the right from the
right place, just like people. You wouldn't buy out of
the back of someone's car. Would you buy a whole
lot of chicken or something, and you know, like in
a car park, you'd be like, oh, you need it
to be really, you know, fresh and bright.

Speaker 2 (01:47:30):
Well it's interesting than Olivia appreciate. Yeah, I appreciate your
enthusiasm on the issue. I'm not sure if a griffin
could take down a goat or a deer. No, but yeah,
I wonder if there's anyone out there in New Zealand
who feeds their dog on live food so the dog
gets to hunt. I mean obviously there is. You know
you take you know you got pig dogs, yeah, and

(01:47:51):
you know you've got dogs hunting deer. Oh, hang on
a minute, I know someone, but he had to feed
them extra because he had as dogs were just they
had so many rabbits on their farm that the dog
wasn't eating dinner. And they realized the dog was just
eating so many rabbits as well. But rabbits are so weak, yeah,
and they reproduced some that they're not actually a full
diet for a dog. Right, Yeah, your dog kind of

(01:48:12):
gets the sort of type of malnutrition from just eating.

Speaker 5 (01:48:15):
And so they're just thinking rabbits. Rabbit carcasses lining over
their property.

Speaker 2 (01:48:18):
Oh so many. But you know, luckily that unluckily they've
got a huge supply. I feel it it's cheaper per
kg than the dog food you're feeding. Pepper Tyler says
this texture.

Speaker 5 (01:48:29):
I reckon that might be true because I know the
raw treats we feed are six ninety nine for one
hundred grams.

Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
Wow, Nick, your thoughts.

Speaker 25 (01:48:39):
Yeah, good afternoon. Yeah, so my thoughts are kind of
back to twenty your previous callers. To start with, you're talking
about the main brands on the market, and I have
to agree. Go and read the back of your feedback
and you'll find a lot of those main brands are
made up of filler, right, flowers and wheats and things

(01:49:01):
that dogs don't normally eat and don't need. And they're
just there to bolt the product up, product up and
make you need to use more. I started my dog
on the name brand once, and I was going through
one hundred and fifty dollars bag every couple of weeks.
He's a big boy. He's a hunt away. And I
switched to a brand that I can only get at

(01:49:22):
my vet and it cost me one hundred and twenty
bucks and he gets three cups of it a day
and that's it, and it lasts me just about a month.
I can get out of it. I do live on
a farm, so I can stretch it with some home
kill or whatever if I have to, if I can't
get into the vets on the right day. But and
he is as healthy as anything. The vets have always

(01:49:43):
been very impressed when I take him and he's about
thirty six and a half kilo's at the moment, and
is that and he's dead. He's just a big boy.

Speaker 5 (01:49:50):
Is that kibble?

Speaker 6 (01:49:51):
Is it?

Speaker 5 (01:49:51):
Obviously it's good quality kibble.

Speaker 25 (01:49:54):
Yeah it's biscuits, but yeah it's kibble. But it's basically
only the good stuff there is minimal filler in it,
and that's why you need to use so much less
of it.

Speaker 5 (01:50:04):
Right, Very interesting, Nick, thank you, thank you very much.
Tea of tips coming through.

Speaker 2 (01:50:10):
My thoughts on this issue. Tyler, give yourself an uppercut.
I beg that. Yeah, I support that. I wish we
had a taste. Got to get a studio taste, so
we do need a studio days.

Speaker 5 (01:50:21):
There's one, says guys, just a point. Dog and cat
food are labeled not intended for human consumption, not for humans.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but no, but hanging on minute,
I talked about that, and pet foods are tested for
salmonella and other bacterial contaminants just the same. If they've
found there, recalled just like human foods. Dogs are nutrient
requirements of fairly similar to humans. Yeah, as the worth omnivores.

Speaker 2 (01:50:42):
So you know, in times of poverty, get stuck into
the dog foodwet exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:50:48):
Oh fantastic, Paul, you are a canine nutritionist.

Speaker 17 (01:50:53):
Finally, Yeah, I'm actually dogged dog, so I specialize and nutrients.
So I tell you of what dogs are actually consuming
and the biological effects that it happens to. Well, that
happens to the in that process.

Speaker 5 (01:51:10):
Fantastic, right, We got some questions for you, Paul, So
let's start with raw diet. Is raw diet just a fad,
Is it actually good for a dog or is there
something to it?

Speaker 17 (01:51:18):
I get this all the time at seminars as well.
People always pipe up and say, look, you know dogs
only ate raw in the wild. They actually did, right,
because obviously there's no biscuit manufacturers back then. But the
problem is is a lot of them ended up with DCM,
which is cardium monopathy. Now, when you have a high
meat diet, your hemoglobin goes up and it's just as

(01:51:42):
bad for humans as it is for dogs. So there's
things like niosin folate, manganese soft top of my head,
panthetic acid touring. All of these nutrients, vitamins and minerals
are imperative to the dog's health and operation. So having
just a raw food diet, your dog is not getting
any fiber to exfoliate the bowel passage. And in New

(01:52:05):
Zealand there has been a massive increase and cancer and dogs,
not just bowel cancer but in general cancer in general. Yeah,
and the alpha dog back in the day he lived
almost twice as long as his female companions. I won't
use the B word because he was the smart one.

(01:52:30):
He went in through the stomach because it was softer,
it was easier to get in. He had the offal,
the kidney deliver the pancreas, the heart and as well
the stomach contents would which had all the grains. Now,
this grain free thing is a bit of a fad.
There are bad grains in dogs dog food, and a

(01:52:50):
lot of manufacturers do put fillers in. Now I heard
the guy before saying it has minimal fillers. You don't
need any fillers. Like I produce a brand of dog
food called Doctor Dog and it is it is certified
by Massive University. So how's that?

Speaker 5 (01:53:10):
Pretty good? I think I don't know much about what
Matthew University. It doesn't need to it, but it sounds good.

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
Sounds good?

Speaker 17 (01:53:15):
Yeah, well from the professor of canine science Foreland.

Speaker 2 (01:53:21):
Pretty good?

Speaker 6 (01:53:21):
Then? Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:53:22):
I mean it is confusing, isn't it, Paul. We're almost
out of time, But it just seems to me there's
a lot of confusing information out there and it seems
like it doesn't need to be.

Speaker 17 (01:53:30):
Look if your dog biscuits can go in a bag
for four years.

Speaker 4 (01:53:34):
That's where the problem starts.

Speaker 2 (01:53:35):
Ah, I love that. Thanks for that, Paul. We ran
out of time, but it was very very informative. Right
at the India.

Speaker 5 (01:53:41):
Ye, canine nutrition is fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:53:44):
Right just before if you're still there, Paul, what about
what about releasing live animals for the dogs?

Speaker 17 (01:53:53):
Well, you know that's that as soon as you're heum
globin goes up and the dog, the dog stops producing
red and white blood cells, which is.

Speaker 2 (01:54:00):
What just as just as part of it for their
mental health. Would would that make them happier?

Speaker 17 (01:54:06):
Listen, there's been too much transition between wild dogs and
domestic dogs. You don't want dogs hunting because where does
the dog loan to draw the line there?

Speaker 2 (01:54:15):
You go all right there, unless they're a big dog, yeah,
or you know, just a general hunting dog.

Speaker 5 (01:54:18):
Thank you for your call, Paul, great discussion. It is
eight to four the.

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The award winning here The Doup of c Ellen is
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Slice of Heaven? I've actually got no idea to a mate.

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That's from the soundtrack to foot Rock Flets the Dodge
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You go, well, mate, yeare you go?

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If you do win an award tonight, don't use it
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Speaker 6 (01:55:49):
Right.

Speaker 26 (01:55:49):
You're in no position to lecture the public about anything.
You know nothing about the real world. Most of you
spent less time in school than Greta Thumburg. So if
you win, right, come up, accept your little award, thank
your agent and your God. I'm off, okay, So.

Speaker 1 (01:56:19):
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