Full Show Podcast: 05 November 2024

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 5th of November - fireworks, do we need more regulation?

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hell are you great, New Zealanders? Welcome to the Matt
Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show podcast for the
fifth of November. Remember remember the fifth of November, the
gunpowder trees and the plot. I can see no reason
why the gunpowder trees and should ever be forgot. We
do lots of chat on fireworks today. It's pretty heated.
Half the people hated you, half the people hated me.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Did any of them love us? I don't know. I mean,
I was a very heated debate.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
It was a very very heated debate, but a very
very fun debate. Also cats, boy boy, that's right, it
got into cats and dogs. It's only been one month
and we're already into cats and dogs.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah, Diddy, old registration of cats.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah. And also the Melbourne Cup. A lot of feel
goods around the Melbourne Cup. And we have the top
five Quincy Jones songs because he passed away at ninety one.
Absolute genius in my mind. Quincy Jones. The stuff he
did with Michael Jackson phenomenal. But he had a career
a long time before that. That is a musician in
his own right, produced so many people, television shows, movie themes.

(01:13):
A great man. So we count down has Top five
so that you go give him a taste of the
keiw we met in Tyler podcast. All right, subscribe, Okay,
seem busy talking.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
With you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons New for twenty twenty
four news Talk zib.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
A very good afternoonsue. Happy Tuesday. You're listening to Madame
Tyler with you until four pm. Great to have your
company as always. Melbourne Cup Day, Matt's excited.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Melbourne Cup Day, Guy Fawks is a huge day, very
very exciting, lot to be excited about.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yeah, well that's what we're gonna have a chat about
after three o'clock. Not the Guy Fawks that's coming very soon,
but we want to have a chat about Melbourne Cup.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
It has been long promoted as the race that stops
a nation, if not two nations. That's been disputed now.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, people are saying it doesn't even stop any nations.
I say it probably stops Australia. It stops me. I'll
watch it it stops me. But I'm not a nation.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
And what what's the horse that you've got? What did
you pull out of the office, sweet state?

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Well, I pulled out of the office sweetstreak, mostly cloudy,
paying one hundred and one. You know I've got another.
I've got another, a few bets on. You know, I'm
going for sharp and smart, the Kiwi horse in there.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
And what's that pain?

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Well, it was painfully. I think it's down a little
bit now, so I think I'm looking at some older
odds here, but I'll get up to date with that.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
You're going to lose some money today.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
But I'm always about betting on the New Zealand horses,
which is probably just sort of blind patriotism, right, But
if you bet on a New Zealand horse and it wins,
double joy. If a New Zealand horse wins and you
haven't bet on the New Zealand horse, then you feel
a little bit like a trader. Yeah, I feel like
you haven't supported it, you haven't given a taste the
keiwef you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
We've had some great success with ki horses over at
the Mountain Cup far Lap. Of course, people would remember
in nineteen thirty. I mean, I'm just looking at the
list here now, multiple multiple years where ki horses have
come out on top.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, and that's look, we used to be the nation
of racing, rugby and beer. I still like a bit
of a flatter on the ponies a lot of people.
A lot of people do, but I think a lot
of people they only bet on the big days now,
the only zone on the big days. Of course you're
from Canterbury, yes, a cup and show days big for you.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yeah, well it is big for christ Chooch, but that's
the whole week that It is a bit of a
party week for Canary. People take the whole week off
work so they get down to the races in the
amp show. So it is it's kind of like a
festival atmosphere. Two people really care about the horses. I
think they just care about getting down there, getting licked
up and having a good time.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Well well, look, getting down there and getting dressed up
and having a good time is great. Yeah, but you
add a little bit of action into it, a little
bit of a flutter here and the air, and it's
a hell of a good time at the races.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, that's after three o'clock. Are we still excited for
the Melbourne Cup and horse racing in general? After two o'clock,
a coalition of outdoor recreation group sees some land owners
are closing off access access to private land for fear
of being held liable when activities go wrong. So twelve tramping, climbing, hunting, fishing,
mountain biking and caving associations are calling for those activities

(04:15):
to be formally excluded from the Health and Safety Act.
This is a big one and there are many landowners
out there who would ordinarily open up their land to tramping, hiking,
rock climbing. They are saying no because they can be
held liable if someone has an accident. So that's going
to be the chat after two o'clock. But right now,
let's have a chat about fireworks.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
That's right. Remember remember the fifth of November, gunpowder treason
and plot. I see no reason why gunpowder treason should
ever be forgot.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Very good, you practice that nicely done well. Look, as
we know, every year the SBCA warns, what is an
exciting night for us is a terrifying evening for animals.
Fire an emergency. New Zealand repeatedly urges people to think
about the risks of fireworks and on average, acc except
about three hundred new claims a year for fireworks related injuries,

(05:06):
and data shows think about the children. Data shows children
under ten make up a quarter of those. So each
time November the fifth rolls around, which is today, the
questions are should fireworks be banned? And I've got to
say last night for the first time so this level,
I'm all for banning it. And it got to that
stage anti.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Fun Adams, anti fun Adams.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
And I'll tell you why why Because they started off
at five o'clock the sun still out. What's the point?
I mean, you spent good money on those five weeks
and you're sitting the off you can't even see them.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Well, that's a problem with the time. That guy Fawkes's
in New Zealand, November five, it's you know, it takes
it takes a while for it to get dark enough
to let them off.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah, you know, so maybe we changed the date.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, if we move it around daylight saving might be better.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
But anyway, but Pepper, our dog Papper, she's a greyhound cross.
She's been trained to some extent to deal with fire
weeks never been a problem. Last night, she flipped out completely.
The eyes went wide. She started running around the lounge,
barking her head off. She thought she was under attack.
Then she ended up in the corner shaking like a leaf.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
I've never seen you say shut down the fun of
your neighborhood because your dog Pepper gets a little bit scared.
Did your dog get damaged injured? Or is your dogs
just a little bit scared. Dogs are going to get scared.
People are going to get scared. That happens in life.
Dogs scare other people. Dogs bark, Dogs get scared by
thunder and lightning. Are you going to shut down the weather?

Speaker 4 (06:25):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Please. I have two loves of my life, Mave and
Pepper in the household, and you know, if they're not
liking it, maybe didn't like it either, So yeah, shut
it down. I'm going to protect those people I love.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
I really enjoy fireworks. I think they're fun, and I
like the tradition of guy fawks. I think it's interesting.
It's four hundred and nineteen years old. We shut down
traditions so easily now because people are worried about their
dog Pepper getting upset. But these are things that so
much fun's been had with fireworks over the years, and
I think it's a great way to teach kids safety.

(06:56):
Like if you have a backyard fireworks display with your
family and you teach your kids things like how to
light them, not to lock down the firework before it
goes off. All those things are very important, safe observed
ways that you can teach kids the risks about certain things.
If we completely shut down anything because there's a certain
amount of danger in society, then we'll shut down absolutely everything.

(07:20):
People come weak, and people become scared, and people become
y're not competent in individuals going forward.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Very well argued, and I imagine your parents did that
with you when you had the backyard fireworks. How were
you with fireworks when you hit your teenage years.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
I was an absolute idiot with the years exactly. Yeah,
point proven, Yeah, I absolutely was. But you can't look
I'm an absolute idiot, and you can't ban things just
because there's idiots. There's always going to be idiots out there.
And so if you're if you're rule of how you
decide what we do and we don't do, is that
idiots behave like this, then we'll be able to do
absolutely nothing.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
I'm going to go further. And here's what I genuinely
think about it is, I'm okay with the private sale
of fireworks if they're only set off for three or
four days a year. That is my problem with it.
That now that you can buy them off the side
of the road and they get set off for the
next three months and you don't know when and where.
If I knew when, I could get my dog in
a crate, put her in the room, make sure it's quiet,

(08:17):
that she's not going to flip out. I could do
those things.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
So you're anti fireworks being let off New Year's yep,
dwale yep matadiki.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
Oh Dwali's fine because that's a public fireworks display, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Well, not always. And also, can I just say another thing,
There is nothing more boring in this world than a
public fireworks display. Like going somewhere to watch someone else
let off fireworks. That is totally not the point. I also,
on another level, I love community things. I love when
you sit on your deck and you look out over

(08:49):
the city and you see everyone letting off the fireworks
at the same time. That makes me tear up. Everyone's
doing stuff at the same time. I get very emotional
about these community things. I think we shut down things
too quickly because everyone can find a reason, and the
legitimate reasons. People have legitimate reasons that it scares animals,
that's legitimate. There's legitimate concerns about fire and such. Absolutely,

(09:13):
But I think a world without risk is not a
very exciting world.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty what do you think
anti fun Adams or pyro Heath get on the phone.
Nineteen ninety two is the text number. It's a quarter
past one.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
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Speaker 3 (09:38):
Very good afternoon June seventeen past one. We're talking about
guy fawks. It is today fireworks bang boom. And I
mentioned before that for the first time I discovered how
obnoxious and violent and disgraceful fireworks are, backyard fireworks, and
that my poor dog Pepper, I'm going to throw her

(10:00):
into this as well. She has been trained to deal
with fireworks to a limited extent. Last night couldn't handle it.
It was too much and it was on every side
of the house, and they were so loud and so
violently aggressive that she just didn't know what to do
with herself.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
So you finally have reached the age where you don't
like hearing other people having fun and you just hate
hearing a good time if it doesn't involve you, and
you're not willing to take any any slight inconvenience for
the joy of other people. On a four hundred and
ninety year old tradition, you just want to throw that

(10:35):
out there because your dog Pepper gets a little bit shaking. Well,
now I get it.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
I'll come back to the tradition in a moment, but
I will concede that I can deal with me being
a grumpy old man because I'm trying to protect my
dog Pepper for three days of the year. Go crazy
for those three days, because then I can take steps
to make sure Pepper's going to be in a dark room,
closed off, protected as much as possible. And same with
people with children, if you're a night shift worker, all

(11:00):
those people can manage that for three days. But the
fact that I'm going to hear this intermittently for the
next three months, that drives me crazy.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah, but your dog if your dog's inside, your dog
can't really hurt itself. It can get scared. But your
dog can be scared by anything. Your dog can be
scared by another dog. Your dog can be scared by you.
Your dog can be scared by someone knocking on the door.
That's just the way life is. You can't protect animals,
I mean animals that are outside. Maybe that's a slightly
different thing. But your dog. You can't shut things down

(11:30):
because your dog gets a little bit scared.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Stewart, what's your thoughts.

Speaker 5 (11:38):
I'm probably on new your side a little bit for
the sake of a time limits, right, But then I
go the other way and go the fun police thing everything,
And I look at it this way. How many people
die from sky fogs every year, one or none? How

(12:02):
many people die from idiots and cars every year? Three
hundred and sixty five? Really a bigger fish to fry?
Are there more dangerous things that are happening? How many
people die from smoking? The fireworks thing?

Speaker 6 (12:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (12:17):
Maybe maybe a limit, and say, maybe it's a week currently.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Stuart, Currently Saturday the second November to Tuesday, the fifth
of November. The only that's the window of being able
to sell fireworks. Tyler doesn't like that because people store
fireworks up and let them off at different times. But
my argument is that people are gonna do stuff that
annoys you, and we can't shut down everything just because

(12:46):
there are people that behave irresponsibly, because you're taking away
what is a really fun family community thing such as
fireworks from everyone because someone near you is being a
little bit ridiculous around the fireworks and your dog Pepper
gets a little bit scared.

Speaker 5 (13:03):
Sure here, yeah, I guess that. But like anything, we
can put rules around it. And so if we go right,
today's Tuesday, the last day for private fireworks before you
get into travelers Sunday night. Yeah, this week, here we go,

(13:24):
there's that anyone over and above there can either be
fire and let you say, it's going to be thirty
seconds and they've gone anyway, someone will light one up
and run away or do something. And but yeah, if
there's a limit to when they can be lit off
privately and make it make it to the Sunday because
these faith that most people have, guy foxes this Saturday

(13:45):
night probably, yeah, so do it to that. And yeah there,
and like you say, I agree with you. There's always
going to be an idiot. Why let an idiot swallow
it for everyone?

Speaker 7 (13:55):
Still?

Speaker 5 (13:56):
Do the fireworks just have a limit?

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Yep, I agree with that, Stuart. Well just to your point, Matt,
So just let's say that your neighbor loves a bullhorn.
Just we don't know why, but every couple of nights
he just decides to get out the backyard and set
off that bullhorn multiple times. And he keeps doing that
throughout the year. Are you going to go over to
him and say, hey, mate, yeah, interrupting the whole neighborhood here, Yeah,

(14:20):
I know you're celebrating bullhorn day. Don't like it.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
There's noise control. You can make a complaint about noise control,
and you can make a complaint about fireworks bending let
off because there are noise Noise control doesn't differentiate between
whether it's being made by a stereo or a bull
horn or a firework. So if it's after ten thirty
or whatever time, you want to bring noise control on
your neighbors for letting off fireworks and then you go

(14:44):
for your life.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Well, if that's true. Love to hear from a noise
control officer. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Nine two nine two is the
text Bagtory. Shortly here on news Talks hed.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
B, digging into the issues that affect you the mic
asking breakfast.

Speaker 8 (14:59):
Deposits, which I've long argued for a way too high
in this country. Needing twenty percent of a million bucks
is ridiculous. Home and business lending is up a little.
Is that a sign of the economy and green shoots
and all of that or not.

Speaker 9 (15:12):
It's a couple of things.

Speaker 10 (15:13):
The housing market has definitely started to pick up.

Speaker 8 (15:15):
When you go to pass the legislation, you can't answer
the question where you're going to boot them up the bum,
whack them around the head and treat them badly.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
Well, what I'd just.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Say to you, though, is that I think it's a
bit well what I said yesterday is why it's so disingenuous. Yeah,
if you think about the examples and the abuse of
state care, there was like unvisited, unqualified stuff.

Speaker 8 (15:30):
Back tomorrow at six am the mic Asking Breakfast with
Mayley's Real Estate News Talk z B.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Very good afternoon. We're talking about fireworks and the sale
of fireworks and letting them off in your own backyard.
Pete where do you sit on this one?

Speaker 4 (15:43):
There?

Speaker 6 (15:44):
Again there, gentlemen, there's so much thing getting ban this
and ban that. I don't want to ban it totally,
but I reckon what should happen. The government should make
it a policy is I mean, we have the restriction
now you can buy you five weeks four days of
the weekly as we know now from the second and
the fifth of November, and then they can say to
the people you've got ten days or forteen days whatever

(16:06):
the government comes up with for gold. And then maybe
like few Year's Eve or Christmas Day or whatever, and
they sort of day sort of special days too, and
maybe public gatherings that I'm from your plymouth here quite
often we have it at the bowl of Brooklyn's, the
Booker apart there like which I think it's a good idea,

(16:27):
but have it there and then that's it's bad because
I'm as far as I'm seeing, you've got people with
pets and dogs and all that. And I reckon, you
have a lot of places in Australia you can't even
have fireworks because of the dryness they be in the
same they you get pretty dry here in New Zealand.
Two and sometimes in the summertime. So then the fire
brigade and all the people involved they know that there's

(16:48):
going to be ten days whatever. That's so that we
see that time period. The government decides to see that
you crop fire weeks off and that's it all over.
And then that way people I'm hearing myself quite often
people they let the cruckets up at tur three clock
and the ways far as I can seeing those people
inconsiderate people, they don't they don't care about people's pets.
So if you have that period that I seid before,

(17:09):
I reckon that's fair enough. You're not banning it. You
can go for goal and there periods and it's wold
and win and that's it and it's all over over.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Yep, Pete.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
What would be the punishment in your eyes? What do
you think the punishment should be for letting off fireworks
not in those designated times.

Speaker 6 (17:25):
I reckon what it should be. I know what it
will be whatever the government comes up with us. Like
there's feeding tickets and stuff like that in Australia get
hard and people I don't like dobbing people, but there's
the law that is consideration for other people and those
people stepping out of those guidelines. Yeah, prosecute them.

Speaker 11 (17:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
I'm sort of two minds about this. I guess I
sort of agree. I agree with that to a certain extent,
but just to change my just to put across what
I really really like about fireworks, right, and I absolutely
hate a public fireworks display. I think there's nothing more boring.
And I think the whole point of a fireworks is
the wonder you see in kid's eyes when you're letting

(18:07):
off the firework in the backyard, how excited they get
about it. Not a Catherine Wheel, I'd ban Catherine Wheels.
They're just screaming circles of hell. But all the other fireworks,
you're teaching kids supervised risk and danger, and I think
that is the most important thing. So sure, I'm not
opposed to it. I don't really care. I mean, I
don't really care whether they're bands. I think the three

(18:29):
days things probably all right. I wouldn't want them ban totally,
and I'd actually probably allow them all year because I'd
back people.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
I think I could be sensible by most people.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
I just think we shouldn't ban things because some people
are being idiots. That really really annoys me. But that
moment when you get together. And I think it's just
really really sad. With all the talk about pets and
all the talk about other stuff which is true and
fire and it's all true, we do lose something which
is really special, which was a night where people all
across New Zealand used to get excited about. But have

(19:01):
Guy Fawkes. Everyone to go into their backyard. You'd be
with your kids, parents would teach them how to let
the fireworks off, rules like not going over and looking
down at if it hasn't gone off, all those kind
of things. There was wonder in it, there was there
was danger in it, so there were lessons to be
learned and it was such a fantastic thing. So whilst
we're talking about banning it just in general, I just

(19:21):
think the anti firework talk is missing the wonder and
the positive nature of it. Because we can always list
a thousand things why we can't do something, and they could,
they can be right and there can be truth to them,
but you've got a way that up against the positive
sides of things that are quite clearly dangerous.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
I think Kirston agrees with you. Kirsten, Hello there, Hello,
you love fireworks.

Speaker 10 (19:45):
I love fireworks, and I am closer to sixty day lecty.
We have had firewoops in their backyards to the last
or forty years. IM married into a family of four
boys who were paramedics, so we started then in our
children and we live in a small community and we
would have or up to seventy people in the backyard.

(20:08):
They either before or after life walks and the kids here,
and they came as teenagers that came with their own children.
It's just such a gathering time. And I totally agree
about the supervision. You're teaching your children, hopefully to actually
treat them with respects, you know, standard, and I know
they did dumb things afterwards because they're boys.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Do you think it's changed And I don't. Yeah, I
had that as a kid as well, and I can't
be hypocritical to say what I had as a kid
no other kid can have going forward. But I think
it's changed somewhat in the way that we deal with
fireworks and the level of firework that is sold now,
that feels to me like it's changed a bit. Do
you agree with that they're.

Speaker 10 (20:47):
Really noisier Because I go to the first first year,
I didn't realize it was a drug shop. I ended
up the drug shop with the kids that I'm looking
at all the fireworks are now looking at all the
drug paraphernalia and the outside.

Speaker 12 (20:57):
Of the walls.

Speaker 10 (20:58):
I was totally oblivious. So they sell them big grunted
ones and they are noisy, but they're actually no more dangerous.
They're just a lot. Is just what we all like
is a family in a community. But I don't think
we willed has change.

Speaker 13 (21:11):
People have got pushous yep.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, and you certainly don't want to quiet firework. What's
the point in that?

Speaker 3 (21:16):
What about sparklers? What about a nice sparkler? The kids
love a sparkler. I don't because they are pretty boring.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Oh no, I've got a lot of times for sparklers.
You give the kids a sparkler, Well, the fireworks going off,
that's something for the kids to do.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
That that.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
I used to love Sparklet's trying to write my name
in them when I was a kid. Fantastic, the big
long ones. They're brilliant and they're also great for lighting
the fireworks.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. How do you
feel about fireworks? Private fireworks sales in twenty twenty four
or just quickly. Skyrockets they got banned I think in
the early nineties. Yeah, was that the right thing to do?
Oh No, I loved skyrockets. You can't get the height
with the fireworks. Now you get those, you get you know,
every restriction has its has its unforeseen circumstances.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
So when you got rid of skyrockets, they were fantastic.
They gave everyone a thrill, They went a long way brilliant.
So now everyone's moved to fireworks that have fires, eight
flaming balls and reports. Yeah, so instead of a now
I've got a you know, it's much more full on.

(22:19):
They're a lot louder there. There's just a lot more
more explosions now than there were. So, I don't know,
I loved skyrockets. Bring them back.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Quick text to the headlines. Congratulations. Finally, someone on radio
said it, there is nothing more boring than a public
filence display.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
That coming to the discussion when people say people can
go to public fireworks displays that that I'm not open
to that. That's not what guy falks is about. It's
not standing around like a cattle and a pen watching
other people have fun letting off fireworks. It's not what
it's about.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
It is twenty eight to two.

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(23:19):
the country. It's including three hundred and eighty registered nurses
and one hundred and thirty psychiatrists Inland. Revenue will no
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than more expensive taxis. Labor says it supports unions who
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Speaker 4 (24:15):
Remember remember the fifth of November, the gunpowder treason and plot.
I know of no reason why the gunpowder treason should
ever be forgotten.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
So that is what we're talking about. Old guy fawks.
Remember remember the fifth of November.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Viva Indea.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Great movie, and it was a great movie, but we
have been chatting about it. It pops up every year.
That does there need to be some regulations around the
sale of private fireworks? The fireworks been let off in
people's backyards. I say, yes, there are.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
There are regulations, more regulations, more regulation, more regulation. You
always want more regulations. Already there's already draconian regulations on it.
They're already trying to stifle something. I mean, it's been
going for one hundred and fifty two, nine hundred and
sixty six days. Gyefawks, Yeah, has been celebrated, but you
just want to shut it down now because your dog

(25:07):
got little a bit scared.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
It's kind of a weird tradition though, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, but weird traditions. Traditions don't become as popular for
as long as they are unless they're weird. They're weird,
of course it's weird, but for some reason attracted interest
from people, and it continued on since sixteen oh five,
so there was something about it. And you make up
another tradition. See if you can make one up today
that's as successful as that.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
Probably not do the UK lead off private fire weeks.
I don't think they do. They call it bonfire night
over there. They just get a big bonfire.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Don't let them off anytime you want. In the UK
you can buy a massive one. I've let off some
big fireweks, just crazy times to the U when I
was living in the UK.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Assie banned them. Assi don't like fire.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
That's fair enough.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
A tinder box. That's on the extreme.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
End of things. Absolutely, Australia is basically on fire all
the time.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
Eighty do.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Let's not shut things down just because Australia is a
crazy place.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Truly, How are you good?

Speaker 15 (26:05):
Thank you? Number one Eye Walks was started off five
acts of violence and everyone is against violence now and
telling people or asking people is not going to do
any difference, because people will do what they want when
they want, and they don't care. I had fireworks around

(26:28):
my place two months ago. In some years, the explosions
have been so much that I've actually had my whole
house shaking, and I think that's just I'd rather know
one of you fellas don't like that, but they should
have just one night a year that they go there,

(26:49):
they buy their fireworks, let them off, and that's the
end of it. And I'm like one of you fellas
that's got a dog called Pepper. I've got a little
whip across dog called Luna, which I got out of
the pound and she's absolutely pet for.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
As luninous thing. Right now, Julie is luning with you
right now.

Speaker 15 (27:10):
No issues in the out of the room, get around
the radio.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Love a dog like a dog if a dog can hear.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
Luna is a beautiful name as well. But yeah, I
mean there again, that's my argument. And I know, look
a lot. I'm getting a lot of abuse via techs,
and that's fair enough that I want to shut down
fun and ban everything and regulate everything. But I think
just to help those people who were not courteous to
your neighbor to help them do the right thing is

(27:36):
just having set days where you can set off those
fireworks so everybody that doesn't like it, like me, can
prepare for it. I'm okay with it. I have to
be okay with that. But as long as I can
prepare for it, well you'm okay with that.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Well you're in the window now. So you're complaining about
them being let off yesterday, Tyler. Yeah, yes, the day
before guy fawks. So I wasn't ready at five pm
to be so sorry you go, Julie.

Speaker 15 (27:59):
Sorry. Another thing I was going to say too is
I lose to work at an animal shelter and ambulance
is a big guy going out to dogs with bleeding
feet that they run for miles and miles and miles
and rip their pads open and catch stuck under culvert
to be terrified and you know, I mean, you can't

(28:21):
tell you can't tell a pet that you know nothing's
going to hurt them. And I always say that I'd
rather have a dog wet or something else on the
floor then letting it out and it would go and
you know it might get killed the water.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah, I think so much for your call. I've got
a couple of points, and that firstly, it did start
with an act of violence. So did Easter? Yeah, would
you cancel its Easter just because it's a tradition that
started out of an act of violence into and Christmas
as well, to less extend, even though Christmas cellar upates
the birth of Jesus, and.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
To be fair, we celebrate christ he failed. We celebrate
because he failed. That was the whole point, right, is
that we're not celebrating that he tried to blow up
the houses of Parliament. We break that he failed.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
What happened to Guy Fawks is not good. You know
what happened to the guy, don't you? He got ripped
in part he did not have a good end Guy Falks.
That was definitely what happened to him was definitely an
active violence, even if he didn't manage to pull off
his gunpowder, treason and plot. But also when it comes
to animals, I'm a dog lover. I've got my dog colin.
Last night, he was quite interested in the fireworks. But

(29:30):
nature's a scary place and animals out there in the
real world have got a lot things, a lot more
to worry about than fireworks, including if your other animals
you might have to worry about dogs. Dogs are terrifying
and dogs terrify humans as well, So I'm a human
first approach to things. And if fireworks can bring families together,

(29:50):
and it's so hard to bring families together. Now, anyone
with teenage kids or younger will know how hard it
is to get them into a room or get them
to do something together. If you can get kids into
the backyard with you to let off fireworks, supervite by parents,
so you can show parents being responsible and careful and
showing the best safety texts techniques around something dangerous while
there's wonder in the kid's eyes. Surely that is a

(30:11):
fantastic thing that we need to hold on to. And
when you talk about banning these things, it doesn't stop.
So you're happy for these these for three days. But
people don't want to stop with that. They'll go, oh, yeah,
we've got, we've only got we're only available to buy
them between the second and the fifth. Okay, but people
don't want to stop. People will keep going and going
and going until these things are banned and we lose
these traditions and they never come back, and no one's

(30:33):
got anything else. To replace it. So kids just sit
up in their room playing video games, they're on social media,
they don't spend any time with the family because there's
nothing as exciting as fireworks to replace it, and society
just dives off a cliff into isolation and despair.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. There you go,
kids going blow blow some things up in the backyard.
It's good for you. Beck in the mo nine text
numb be listening to Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
New Home of Afternoon to Adams Afternoon.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
Talks very young back the ant man. We're talking about
five weeks on. You're okay with.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
Okay with them by ground with them at.

Speaker 9 (31:21):
A thing for me is that.

Speaker 6 (31:23):
If you come up with a reasonable aside of all
about it, okay, cool.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
But it's much.

Speaker 16 (31:33):
As and I stay there wondered about it, and I'm
a pet under myself.

Speaker 4 (31:39):
No, but nothing is more propreaded. People think of five.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
Weeks tread its fronting in your pitch, looking at and
you're inating what your neighbor's cat.

Speaker 4 (31:48):
Take a cat and you're good.

Speaker 13 (31:51):
You're dugarden and you can't do a thing about it.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
And you can argue with that that's a very fair paste.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
From being scared of It's very cat that everyone's worried
about how it's going to react to fireworks. Is just
running around defecating in other people's yards. Where's the love
from the cat?

Speaker 13 (32:08):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Well you go to the neighbor and
they oh, that's just what they do.

Speaker 17 (32:12):
It's like, okay, so we're okay with that just being
what they do.

Speaker 13 (32:15):
But when it comes to this period of year, we want.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
To take.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Life right up the kind of borderline scared, kind of
borderline swing.

Speaker 18 (32:23):
Right around having a good old time.

Speaker 16 (32:24):
And I can get the concerns about it, but that
gets to happen like dress five days in a week.

Speaker 19 (32:30):
I've got to find out way to stop that cat
and get it.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
Off my lawn and drop the little land lines about
the play out.

Speaker 20 (32:35):
Yeah, that one too, is that I've got just a
neighbor across the road the game member.

Speaker 6 (32:40):
Yeah, that side is shoot.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
He's got this in the water in your crystal things
that just barks.

Speaker 10 (32:46):
All day and when I pluck my dog in it
and the.

Speaker 18 (32:49):
Bits going at it. But that's okay, Like you can
own that.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
You can do that truck the bark all days the
line and truck the boys to lay them.

Speaker 13 (32:57):
It jobs around there to the dogs.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
Just lock the doors out.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Right, I think so much now, and you're make some
good points and is worried about it an So I've
got a friend who's got a cat and could cats
to terrorize that has cats to the point where the
cats inside what outside is urinating all over the house.
So those an animal could be scared of a lot
of things around fire. It's before we even get into that,
a lot of Texas crystal setting through our nine two

(33:21):
nine two thunderstorms. You can't protect your dog Pepper from
how scared Pep it's going to be in thunderstorms. And
if you're living in a Word city now, Tyler, you've
come up with roat jedge. We love having new yet.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Spar We're going to get up a whole lot more.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Thunderstorms for Pepper to deal with.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
Up here.

Speaker 16 (33:36):
You hand down cander Man's Thunderstands thunderstorms because at the
point dam Pepper would not be the neighbor cat lord
and we don't have a cat.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
So three with Bloody and I think it's it's sort
of a term of empathy. And I really I really
love that people care about their their cats and their dogs.
And I'm not going to hustle someone for looking at
their dogs scared and feeling bad about it. But I
think you your heart has to be bigger than that,
and your heart has to go well on this night.
On these few nights, my dog might be a little

(34:06):
bit unhappy, but there's a lot of joy for humans
out there in the wider community, the wonder in the
eyes of children as they look at fireworks being let off.
That also, your heart needs to be big enough to
include the joy that fireworks bring. That's that everything is
on a level of good and bad. There's nothing that's
purely good, and there's nothing that's purely bad.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Past benefit analysis of joy. Yes, Tony, how you doing good?

Speaker 4 (34:32):
Thanks?

Speaker 10 (34:33):
Hey.

Speaker 13 (34:34):
I think there's no doubt that the one reason why
Guy Talks or Bonfire Night has continued to be successful
is that everybody loves blind, especially kids, and there is
a thrill and there's a joy, and when you're young,
you just love it, and when you're older, you love
your having good gun. So you can see that's a

(34:55):
very powerful thing. But I think if you look back
at the history of it, why we do it that's
a little bit hazy and a little bit strange as
to why we have the ceremony now. When we were young,
my mother like it because you look at the history
of Guy Thoughts. Guysthooks was a Catholic and he was
attempting to blow up the Protestant Party Parliament. Now, the

(35:20):
English edition, which is what we've been here, basically we
imported an English edition, just bought it over here.

Speaker 11 (35:25):
At exactly the.

Speaker 13 (35:26):
Same time the English edition was also had bonfires and
put the figure Guyfooks and burned the Catholic I think so.
My mother really hated it. That doesn't stop us as
going to get them because when I was young, I'm
old enough, we needed to buy five weeks of the dairy.
You could buy it everywhere, and you could buy things

(35:46):
like the mighty cannons, the ducting jack producing serious damas.
That's all been banned now, but they were serious fireworks.

Speaker 20 (35:56):
Now.

Speaker 13 (35:56):
Also, I've been in England and you know, it's been
part of it over there, and it completely worked to
me for as a ritual ceremony, because if you look
at in England and November the fifth, it's completely off
fit to what New Zealand is England. It's the end
of autumn, and if you've ever had a garden with
English deciduous trees, you know that you have all of

(36:18):
this dead deads, deadly dead troll wood's fallen off, the
stuff you have to burn. So it fits completely naturally
into the sight of life in England. You have to
think remember the first it's you know, going into the
winter time.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
I definitely a lot of sense over the attorney. But
you'd say that with Christmas and the kind of food
we have it at Christmas and stuff, it would make
a lot more sense if Guy Fawkes was around that time.
And I definitely can see that. But I will say
you have pointed something out. When I was a kid
and we used to burn a guy, I never actually
looked at it and thought we're burning an effigy of
a Catholic. It was definitely I looked at that, but

(36:58):
perhaps that was it. But all traditions that last a
long time have hairy, hairy histories. Otherwise they don't catch on.
There has to be drama and a little bit of
violence around them for them to cut through and have
the drama for us to continue, you know, celebrating them.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Oh, one hundred and eighty. Ten eighty is the number
of call. It is eight to two.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
Mad Eath and Tyler Adams afternoons.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
News Talks' news talks. They'd be good afternoon, Jade, how
are you?

Speaker 21 (37:28):
I'm good, Thank you?

Speaker 3 (37:29):
How are you good? Fireworks backyard fireworks? What's your thoughts?

Speaker 21 (37:33):
My thoughts. I've got two dogs who get seriously distressed
through fireworks. I'm also of an age that I know
how much everyone loves fireworks.

Speaker 6 (37:46):
What I would like is more.

Speaker 21 (37:48):
Control on how long they can go on. For for example,
it gets started here before Halloween and it probably won't
stop natal Christmas at various times day and night.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Guess that the problem with that is if we are
going to allow the sale of fireworks, there's always going
to be some annoying people that let them off at
inconsiderate times. But I would say that that's just a
problem in society as a whole. Everything that we do
that is good, some people will use for bads. So
what would you like to see, Jade? Would you like

(38:28):
I would.

Speaker 21 (38:28):
Like controls on what you know, what dates, you can
legally let them off and that's that.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
So the week after you can buy them for two days,
and then the week after that window would be appropriate.
Then no more.

Speaker 21 (38:46):
Yeah, I reckon because like I see where I live,
it will go on from now to Christmas.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Yeah, absolutely, Jay, thank you very much. We're going to
carry this on after two o'clock.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Yeah, love the fireweks. Hey, this is the brothers Johnson's
Strawberry Letter from nineteen seventy seven, produced by Quincy Jones.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Absolute genius who passed away at ninety one yesterday.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Very very said. I mean, as you say, absolute genius.
So let's hear a little bit of this to go
out to the news. We'll see you on the other side.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
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Speaker 4 (40:08):
On news Talk.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Zebby welcome back into the show. Having a great discussion
about the sale of fireworks. There's a good debate going on.
I'm still firmly in the camp of I think it
should be restricted on the days that you can let
them off. You have made a good argument for the
case that this is a tradition that goes back over
four hundred years, something we've bought into in this country,

(40:32):
and kids love it and they have for a long time.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Yeah, my things that look I totally understand. I'm a
dog lover. I've got my dog Colin lover more than
anything else in the world. But we have to think
about things that bring humans together and big families together,
and guy fawks and letting off fireworks in the backyard
brings families to gear thats And as I was saying before,
it's an opportunity for parents to show how you deal

(40:56):
with dangerous things, and it's an opportunity to bring kids
away from things that are incredibly exciting like social media
and video games to actually spend time with their family.
And and anyone that said kids seen them, Kids seen
the wonder in kid's eyes. And people say, oh, well,
you can go to public fireworks displays. There is nothing

(41:20):
more boring in the entire world than a public fireworks display.
Absolutely nothing more boring. Then putting out to let the
fireworks off yourself is the whole point of it.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
Bang.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
It's an absolutely brilliantly good time and there's no doubt
that it scares some animals. There's no doubt about that,
but it brings joy into the heart of other animals,
i e. Human beings and families.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
You would admit, though it's a primal thing. That's why
we love fireworks, and that's why kids love fireworks. There's
something about fire and explosions, something about.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
A little bit of danger. So for things to be
truly exciting in life, they have to have a little
bit of danger. They have to have a little bit
of risk. To have reward, there needs to be risk,
and there is a little bit of risk in fireworks.
I mean I was letting one off and it fell over.
Instead of firing at the family, it was like a
war zone. It was firing, just firing and reporting. I
had to jump in front of this is where my
kids were like three and four?

Speaker 3 (42:16):
Are you dived in to save them from the Roman candle?

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Three and three and five? Sorry, I dived in and
I took a hit to my back protecting my family.
And you know that was a lesson for the kids.
Doesn't always get it right, Bernie, How are you?

Speaker 9 (42:33):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (42:34):
I'm good.

Speaker 9 (42:34):
Guys, you probably end up thinking a grumpy old man
and a hypocrypta Bernie, no way, No, your opinion A
long time ago, we had all the various crackers and
and did the right thing by a father in the backyard,
but that we probably didn't realize at that time the

(42:58):
damage that was being done, although some I certainly know
some of my mates did stupid things, fearing them at
cars and putting a lot together to see what the
result would be. And I've now hopefully grown up and
we got a lot more communication. Now what's happening on

(43:21):
these events at the nights when La Lamain let loose again?
And I would say that those people that promote private sale,
including yourself, Matt. The day after when we reason the

(43:41):
news this horse has bolted and went through fence, animals injured,
people injured, you can sort of feel a little bit
responsible for that yourself. The trouble is this world is
full of Richard wits, even worse than my day, of course,

(44:01):
and they because you can buy fireworks, you can let
them off at any time, and you're not going to
restrict it to any times. I know, I go to
my partner's place and there's people all around any day
of the year of their birthday, party or something. These

(44:23):
things go off and they are a nuisance. You can't
lock your animals up for that particular time because you
don't know what it's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with that, Bernie, that there's definitely
damage that gets done, but I guess that's the case
across everything. Alcohol for example, to go for the example
everyone brings up, you can buy alcohol in certain times
and it's restricted, but you can take it home. People
can leave a bottle store with ten bottles ten one, one,
two fives of gin and certain people are going to

(44:54):
abuse that. But I wouldn't stop you from having a
G and T in your backyard just because of the
wider damage to society. And look, animals, And I still
go back to this, it's a terrifying world for animals. Animals.
This study on mice and they found that the mice
are terrified for their whole life. They found that the

(45:15):
levels of cortisol and mice meant that a mouse is
terrified for its whole life. All mouse, all mice, spin
their entire life terrified, that's what they do.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
Horrible existence.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
It's a terrible existence to be a mouse. But animals
are going to be terrified. Animals is going to be
terrified by other animals and horses are going to run
away from dogs. Dogs are going to terrify people. Cats
are going to terrify other cats. Thunderstorms are going to
terrify all animals. That's just the way it is. Animals
are scared beings for their own safety. You were worried

(45:46):
before about Tyler about your dog Pepper being scared. People
will be scared about a number of things. People will
get scared when a dog when someone knocks at.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
The door, Yeah, she gets a bit barkie, gets.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
A bit barkie. You've also got to remember with dogs,
when they're barking and running around, that doesn't mean they're
not having a good time. Dogs like to alert their owners.
The pack that said they that's how they participate. That's
why we have dogs around it. Initially because they were
the wolves that weren't scared of humans, came sat buner
the fire and their job was to warn us of danger.
So dogs love to warn you of danger. So if

(46:19):
your dog's barking at fireworks, doesn't mean they're scared. It
actually means that they're getting to do their job.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
On that point, she started off having fun, but after
two and a half hours of it and going off intermittently.
She wasn't having fun at that point she started off
barking and saying I'm protecting you, and then by the
end of that she was in the corner shaking like
a leaf. I've never seen it like that. But just
to Bernie's point, the horses, that's a different story, right.
That is hard for horse owners is that for most

(46:45):
of the year, not much would spooker horse to the
level of firework. And if you're going to protect the
horse and get them into a barn or do something
to make sure they're not going to injure themselves, that's
okay for two or three days. But if the fireworks
are getting led off for the next couple of months
and you don't know when, that is hard to deal with.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
But so what's your solution to that situation. They already
restrict fireworks sales to three years three days. Yeah, three
days a year.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
You restrict when people can let them off, ye, say
a week?

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yeah, So do you think people that are restricted it
to that, which I think is insane that you're restricting
it just to three days a year. Like, we're humans
and part of society. We should be trusted and punished
if we do stupid things. That's the way.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
You don't like that we only sell it for three days.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
I just think that people have no endgame on it.
The people that were restricted and pushed to restrict it
for three days, they actually, if they're honest, want to
get rid of it completely. And that's the way it happens.
Think all the Overton window. But it can work the
other way. So people restrict it, they describe it as bad.
They forget about the fun that's been had on it,

(47:47):
and they only ever focus on the bad side of it.
And the end result of that is complete banning. And
as we go through into the future, things are getting
banned and banned and banned and banned, and then it's
outsized to the damage that it was being causing, and
then the joy and the tradition is destroyed.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
What about this text, Hey, guys, good arguments on both sides.
You used to be able to buy reduced noise fireworks,
which I bought a few years ago. Maybe all fireworks
should be this type from Bonnie So safer fireworks. Yeah,
quieter fireworks. You can still have fun. You can still
see a bit of fire, bit of flame. So some
balls of fire shoot up into the air, but they're quiet.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Well, we did restrict fireworks and we changed the rules
on what could be in fireworks in New Zealand, but
the firework manufacturers just got around the rules and made
them clever and clever and clever, and you got rid
of skyrockets which went and they were a lot of
fun because people thought they were dangerous. Yeah, as a result,
now people, as I said before, the fireworks now fire

(48:48):
eight shots and report, so you get eight times the sound.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
The Roman candles aren't too much better. Here, Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty, it is a quarter past two.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
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Speaker 4 (49:03):
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Speaker 3 (49:05):
Talk said be eighteen pass two.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
I love this discussion on fireworks because you, Tyler and
me are getting equal amounts of abuse.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Yeah, it's fifty to fifty abuse.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
It's fifty fifty absolutely, maybe a little bit more abuse
for you. Matt says this textra on nine two nine two. Matt,
once again we butt heads. Fireworks should be banned full stop.
It's not a New Zealand tradition. And if you think
showing your kids. How to blow things up is good fun.
You need your head read. You might as well set
a one hundred OD note on fire. Actually, my kids
would come out to see that. Such a waste of money.

(49:37):
There are far better ways to bring a family together
and bring joy to our children. Grow up. Cheers, Carl.
I appreciate your text, but I would say that the
idea that just because the tradition isn't from New Zealand,
we shouldn't do it. You'd be banning a whole lot
of whole lot of traditions. Would have Would you not
celebrate Duali in New Zealand because it's not from New Zealand?
Would you not celebrate Christmas Santa Claus? Would we ban

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all those things? Is that Easter Bunny not worth celebrating
because the Easter bunny idea wasn't invented in New Zealand?
And you look are there and may be seen an
interesting way to entertain your kids. But you can't entertain
your kids with boring stuff. That's the definition of entertainment.
And whilst sending one hundred of note in your backyard

(50:20):
may seem like a stupid thing to do, if it
got the family together to stand around and spend some
time and taught them lessons about safety. Then yeah, I
would burn money in the back card to do it.
I think it's illegal to burn money. I think, you know,
not allowed to burn official currency.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
But why not give them chocolate that looks like guy fawks.
There you go. That's in the Easter tradition. That's why
kids love it because they look for the chocolate Easter
eggs and they can go to town. That's a nice thing.
They don't have to blow anything up. You give them chocolate. Yeah, okay,
well that's Easter. That's what you do on Easter. On
guy fawks, you blow stuff up.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
And the reason why it's such a successful and popular
tradition is it's fun. As I keep saying, the wonder
in a child's eyes when they're running around with a sparkler,
when you set off set off fireworks, and when you
teach them lesson by sending them out there and going,
this is how you set off a firework. This is
how you do it. Here's the long handled lighter. You

(51:14):
go out there and you don't look down it. You
be very careful, and you teach some valuable lessons about
risk and reward. Because you can bring up kids to
be completely safe, but at some point they have to
go out in the world. So the idea of bringing
up kids is to bring up competent kids, not protected kids,
because eventually they have to make decisions from them south
out there, and Guy Fawkes is a great way to
teach them risk and reward.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
Light the fuse and run like how kids, Hello, get
a bob you're on?

Speaker 12 (51:41):
Yeah, Hi, I'm just blowing away with We hear everybody
every day talking about the increasing cost of living, and
we have this ability to go out and buy fireworks
which are not cheap and just blow it into the sky.

(52:04):
It just makes a joke out of the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Well, some people can afford them and some people can't.
If you don't have enough money to feed your kids,
then it would be ridiculous to be spending the money
on fireworks. But if you do, then, just like going
to the movies or any other form of entertainment, the
amount of disposable income you have, you spend on what
you choose to spend on it. Some people choose to
spend it on fireworks. Not everyone doesn't have enough money
for fireworks.

Speaker 12 (52:28):
Well, we're not talking about everybody. We're talking about the
average person.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Yeah, so they have said, because sorry to interrupt, Bob,
so because the average person can't afford to do it.
And I think the average person probably can't afford to
buy fireworks. But would you then say that all luxuries
should be off the table because some people can't afford them.

Speaker 12 (52:49):
You wish to dominate the conversation, so I'll leave it
with you. You can dictate to New Zealand how they
should behave. Thank you for the listening.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
Thank you, Bob, Thank you very much for calling.

Speaker 9 (53:01):
Well.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
I suppose I don't have too much of an issue
with how much they cost. And I think I mean
the ones that are sold on the side of the
road and some of those of them for schools.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Believe it or not, it's cheaper than going to the movies.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Yeah, some of those are very cheap because they import
them from I.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Don't quite get that. I really appreciate you call, Bob,
but I don't quite get that idea that because some
people are doing it tough, then everyone shouldn't be spending,
and that it's somehow wrong to spend, because if we're
going to get out of a recession, you need the
people that have some disposable and come to spend it. Otherwise,
we don't have hospo. We don't have, we don't have
a business is starting up, and there's some people spend

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some money outside of the bear necessities of life.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
Yeah, but you mentioned before that your kids would love
it if you said a one hundred dollars belongs. I'd
find that very entertaining.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
But it was your money, would I don't know if
they'd find it quite as exciting as fireworks unless the
one hundred dollars bill went bang when I said it
on fire.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
I'm going to ask you if you ever think about this,
what is your favorite firework not of all time that
you can purchase now?

Speaker 6 (54:03):
Ever?

Speaker 3 (54:04):
Think about that? Your answer after break?

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Good question.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
It is twenty three past two.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
eighty on Youth Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
News Talks EDB. Good afternoon, Sean, mate, how are you yeah?
Goods fireworks? Are you a fan of the backyard fire weeks?

Speaker 18 (54:26):
Yes, i am. I'm actually fully on met side on
this one time on Hiraki as well. Mate. It's also
good to hear a balanced opinion on a mainstream radio station.
I'll say that quite openly to have your opinion. I've
listened to you for the last few weeks or months
since you've been on board on this channel, and it's
just refreshing. It's like, Wow, here's a balanced conversation with

(54:49):
a difference of opinion. Thank you, and I'm on your side.
No ways, I've got We've got a three year old dog,
got three kids, three cats, I'll better not forget the
wife and a three year old dog as well. And
we we live in Parmiston, North so during the speedway
season we get to experience three fireworks display. We live
about twelve minutes from the stadium where they do the speedway,
a twelve minute walk, so we get through fireworks disposed

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every weekend through the speedway season and we love it,
not along with it all right. Yes, it's a controlled manner,
like you say that boring when the controlled event, But
the dog has sort of always grown up with it.
He's just absolutely good as goal freaks out a little bit.
But if the left wing woke mob are going to
cry about everything that gets done for fun, where do
you stop.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Well, that's interesting, you should say that Sean, because I
think often people complain more about people having fun than
they do about other things. There's something about people slightly
inconvenience in them for fun. It's like you talk about speedway,
the noise of the speedway. People don't like that because
they feel like that isn't essential to life, so they'll

(55:51):
complain about it. But I think joy and other human
beings within our society getting to have fun, even if
that noise encroaches on them, is part of society, and
that is every bit is as important as the day
to day functioning of life that makes noise exactly.

Speaker 18 (56:07):
I mean, we move moved by where we were. We
moved out of Auckland three years ago down the party
work took me there and obviously the family as well.
We knew that we were moving by the speedway. So
I can kind of reflect back to the windows at
the speedway in Western Springs, which I enjoyed many a
concert there as well over the years. Absolutely awesome. And
the people in around a hidden park that chose to
buy by a concert venue or a speedway venue. You

(56:29):
just wake up people, you know what you're.

Speaker 13 (56:31):
Going in for?

Speaker 3 (56:32):
Yeah, bother But Sean just quickly because I don't want
to ban fireworks. I don't want to do that, but
but what I want is some fearness over the use
that if you want to let off fireworks, that's good.
If it annoys me, that's not really the point. But
I need to prepare to make sure that my dog's
not going to freak out, and other pit owners need
to do that if that, if your pet can't do
with fireworks.

Speaker 18 (56:51):
It's like Christmas. Every year, you know it comes around,
you prepare for it, whether you've got kids or not,
whether you celebrate it or not. You prepare, you buy
the presence, you do that barbecue ready, you buy youse.
November the fifth has been there since the inception of
the calendar, and then four hundred ode years since the
inception of Guy Forky was doing this thing back and then,
so you know it's there every year. We've just had
Duali celebrations in Pami. This weekend just gone and again

(57:13):
I like.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Yeah, again, I can do it for those days. But
the problem I have is for the next three months,
maybe longer, they're going to go off intermittently, and I
don't know, And you.

Speaker 18 (57:24):
Know that every year, though you know it's going to
be that way. People do stop puld them, people do
put them aside from New Years. That's how people, that's
how society operates. And it's called fun, whether you like
it or not. And I used to work with a
guy that got a Roman candle in his eye yea,
literally just below his eyeball. He turned up to work
on the Monday with thought else you get into a scuffle.
He's like picking around with Roman candles. He could have

(57:45):
been blind. He could have, but he didn't. Some people
have died for them.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Well sure. And I was at a thing once in
this idiot friend of mine put a candle on his pants,
got it around the wrong way and blasted up his backside.
And that was stupid. That was stupid.

Speaker 18 (57:59):
He never did it again. He never did it again.
But I think it's called eleven.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
I think there's a wider point for that, Sean. So
I love near Eden Park and when there's an that
I'm not going to Like Travis Scott the other day,
there was a lot of people that complained about the noise.
I don't complain about the noise. I think that is
fifty thousand people having a great time and we're living
in a society is about being inconvenienced by other people,
and I think being inconvenienced by other people is worthwhile

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if a certain amount of humanity is having a good time.
And so I hear that noise, and I'm full of
joy that we're living in a society where people can
go along to a constant people can get together and
have a good time. And I have the same feeling
largely over fireworks. There's people having fun together, and it
may inconvenience me a little bit, it might scare my dog,
but overall the good of humanity is raised.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
But ononders, if you had a neighbor who just loved
to go out in the backyard and just start screaming
for hours at a time as loud as he could.
He loved that. That was his favorite pastime, and you'd say,
honestly that, hey, he's having fun. Oh let him be,
he's all good. Twenty four to seven. Yeah, well, that's
probably what you call a straw man there, No, sean,

(59:11):
thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
I think that might become problem, screaming in the neighbors.

Speaker 18 (59:16):
Yeah, we already, we already fanned them to the degree
of okay, you can buy them between the second and
the fifth. After so many complaints over the years, how
much further do you take it to restrict it?

Speaker 2 (59:25):
Yes, i'd say to my name like, I'll give you
a few days a year.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
You can scream, hey, good discussion. Really enjoyed that they
aren't going to be banned. Well, not this year anyway,
will be eventually.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
The way people are going, they just tighten.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
Their grip tighter and tighter and take and take and take.
This conversation will keep happening. But thank you very much.
Right after the headlines, we are going to change tech
and change up. We're going to stay with animals. But
a story today the government we're looking at needing to
register cats and micro chipping them and d sixing them.

(01:00:01):
They've now turned away from that idea. But we're going
to have a chat about that very shortly. It is
twenty nine minutes to three.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
Back in the Oh, Deuce talks at the headlines.

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to Matteith and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, and thank you for the
discussion on the fireworks, but we are going to change
up for the next hour or so. A proposal to
register microchip in D six cats has been canned by
the government. Advocates for a National Cat Acts say there
is a crisis of cats and a framework was needed.

(01:01:43):
The SPCA describe the government's decision not to act as
a colossal missed opportunity. So that's what we want to
have a chat about, is the registering of cats. Obviously,
as a dog owner, I know that we have to
register Pepper. That's the right thing to do, and if
you're a responsible dog owner, you get your dog registered.
It's long been a contention about whether we do that

(01:02:04):
for cats. And I think it was Dale that rang
up very annoyed that his neighbour's cat jumps over the fence,
takes a massive dookie in his garden and he can't
do anything about it. Now whether registering that cat would
make a difference, But I think that's a fair argument
that as a pet owner it's only right that I
make sure Pepper is registered, that she's microchipped, that all

(01:02:25):
the relevant things I need to do as a responsible
dog owner are done. Should that apply to a cat owner?

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Yeah, it's an interesting thing. I guess you waste way
up our cats do it. Does an unregistered cat do
as much damage a registered dog?

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
Not?

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
To humans? They do do to birds. There's no doubt
about it. They are apex predators, and I mean that
is why the u SPCA is concerned. Predator free New
Zealand is concerned because as we know, with the wildcats,
they have become a problem in the bush and with
our native bird species. And I've got to say, back

(01:03:02):
in christ Church where we used to live, we had
what was called the Trevis Wetland very close to residential properties.
Allowed dogs in there for good reason because there's native
birds and they're flightless birds. Having dogs in there would
be crazy cats. However, that's like a buffet to them. Absolutely,
they go nuts in the Travis Wheatland and there's nothing
anybody can do about that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Yeah, it's an interesting one. I've always been a dog person,
always had a dog. Love my dog, Colin good Dog
or Colin good Boy, Love my dog Monty for Colin.
Never been a sort of a cat person, although you know,
I've got a lot of time for a cat. But
I just I just think that a dog, Yeah, I

(01:03:44):
think practically. I mean cats are in New Zealand. They're
not like this overseas, but cats are free range here, right, Yeah,
so dogs aren't. Yeah, dogs aren't.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
And that's for good reason. Yeah, Well, responsible dog owners
don't have free roaming dogs.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Yeah, because if you have a bunch of dogs that
get out, they'll join it, they'll form a pack. So
a bunch of wild dogs. It's not a nice Herey
mcle very type situation. Going down to Donaldson's theory, dogs
will form a pat and cause all kinds of harm,
whereas cats walking over fences. I don't know. I don't

(01:04:21):
think it's the same level of risk to the community anyway.
But yeah, as you say, it is a huge risk
to native birds.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Yeah. So one of the petitioners to change this legislation
and the government have said no, not at this time.
But her name's Erica Rowlands, and she said cats cause
a problem for native species and rescue groups faced a
relentless battle against the effects of irresponsible owners. That sentiment
was shared by Predator Free New Zealand chief executive Jesse Morgan.
She said conservationalists and animal welfare groups are all on

(01:04:51):
the same page and are crying out for a national
Cat Act. So oh, eight one hundred eighty ten eighty.
If you are a cat owner, how do you feel
about registering your cat? Is it a good idea or
does it go too far? And I think it's a
fair point. When it comes to danger to human beings.
Cats are not at the same time level dogs, no
doubt about it. But when we look at our native species,

(01:05:13):
then I think that's that's a stronger argument to be made.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
And you might be a dog owner and think why
am I having to pay this dog registration when cat
owners are just getting away scott free.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
Yeah. But I'll tell you what if Pepper. I used
to love hiking, and well I still do, but I
haven't got out for a long time, and I wanted
to take people with me. But if I take Pepper
into an area that there's kiwi, and if Pepper got
a kiwi, I would be in a whole lot of
trouble and people would probably be put down. That's the
right thing. If a cat does that, you can't trace
it back, can you. I mean maybe the cat. If

(01:05:45):
they catch the cat, it's probably going to be put down,
but the owner is not held responsible.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
But when was the last person that got mauled by
a cat?

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
Me when I was a child. I mean, that's about
why I don't have cats anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
But actually I got a pretty good I still got
a scar from my cat Peterkin when I was a kid.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
Yeah, they don't hold back, no, you know, considering that
about one tenth out size, they'll try and take you down.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Yeah. Bit of a shir at the moment with my cat,
my dog chasing other people's cats, But that's creating a
side issue. But yeah, I'll tell you what, I'm not
sure it would seem to me my gut feelings, it
seems ridiculous to go through and register cats. There's too
many of them. They don't really do enough damage to
society and other humans for me really to think that

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we should go through all that, And it just seems
incredibly impractical to me.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. It's twenty to three.

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons you for twenty twenty
four Youth Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
Very good afternoon to you. So the government has decided
against mandating the registration and dsexing of cats, in spite
of a recommendation made by the Environments that Elect Committee
and calls by the SBCA Predator Free New Zealand and
the Veterinarian Association is at the right call James, how
are you.

Speaker 19 (01:07:02):
Yeah, Yeah, I think it's a good idea. I'm a
former cat owner myself. My last cat disappeared on me
about four or five years ago, and I never replaced him.
I've always I've always made sure that my cats were
d six. I never chipped them. I suppose I should have,

(01:07:23):
but I might have might have saved me a lot
of worry when my cat disappeared on me. But they
see me should be registered and.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
You know the sixt you would have a kin to
how we treat dogs that you register that you micro
chip them. Ideally you do desext them.

Speaker 19 (01:07:43):
Yeah, ideally you do de st them. I did have
one female cat that I did allowed to have a
couple of batches of kittens, but after that I had
got it done, you know, and I made sure the
kittens went went to decent homes.

Speaker 20 (01:07:58):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 19 (01:08:00):
You know, they should definitely should be controlled. I mean,
like they say, they they're far more a danger to
the native wildlife and New Zealand the dogs are. I think.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
Yeah, I know you've got a problem with dotter or
was mad, But surely someone's got to think about the
native boods. But that is a fair point. I mean, look,
I get when you mention feral cats and cats. A
lot of cat owners get really upset when you say,
how dare you talk bad about my beautiful little pussy cat? Yeah,
because it does nobody wrong and it's just a fluffy
companion animal. But they are apex predators and they do

(01:08:37):
take down birds pretty quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Yeah, But I guess it's one of those same things.
If you're the type of person that would allow cats
to breed and then just let the cats run free,
then you're also the exact type of person that's not
going to get that cat registered, which has been the
problem with dogs, isn't it as well the people that
are bound to not look after their dogs and the
way they should, or also the people that don't get
the dogs registered. I don't know where I sit on

(01:09:01):
I think it's I think it's I think it's one
of those things. Just with cats. It's impractical. Cats aren't
as depending on humans as humans are as cats aren't
as dependent on humans as dogs are on their human owner.
Very true, and dogs could do more damage to other
humans out there, and it's actually way more obvious when

(01:09:23):
a dog is free range as well. I mean there's
cats that climb all my fence all the time and
drive My dog Racy runs out bikes them, but tries
to bark at them. He could never catch a cat
and the one time he did catch up, he got
a real good swipe across the nose. But it's it's
very different because if I saw that many dogs roaming around,

(01:09:44):
walking all over my property, I would it would be
a major major issue, wouldn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
Yeah, yeah, well this takes has just come through. Where
is it going to stop? What should we register budgies rabbits? Wow,
you know, I don't know if budgies can take down
a key. We maybe, you know, budgy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Register all the bunnies in the South Island.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
James, how are you good?

Speaker 22 (01:10:06):
Good things?

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
Cat? What do you reckon?

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
Well?

Speaker 22 (01:10:11):
Think I've got in my place get probably about six
to ten kits just about every day walking around and
you know, doing their jobs in the gardens. And I
think there was one lady I minister to think that
was here kit And I said, you know, I don't know,
but you know this is what happens. Of course, I

(01:10:34):
have to go into my garden and it's not the nicest.
The smell is sol it's bad.

Speaker 13 (01:10:39):
It's bad.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:10:41):
So I mean, look, they're going to take some responsibility,
So I reckon they should be registered. If you've got
a pet, you've got to be you know, look take
unership of it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
In the story, Yeah, yeah, And I think that's one
hundred percent true. I think if you do have a pet,
you absolutely have an obligation to take care of it.
But I'm just not sure it's practical around cats in
terms of registering them. And look, I'm struggling to pick
piece the bits together why I think that, and maybe
someone can help me out here on eight hundred and

(01:11:16):
eighteen eighty. But why is it so different registering cats
to dogs, Because in my mind it's way more difficult
and the gains from it aren't quite quite the same.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
Yep. So I'm walking past your property and I've got
Pepper on a lead, and you've got a nice berm
there that you love, and look after it's got a
nice pood of car on it, and she takes a
massive number two on your berm, and you see me yep,
you're going to yell at me and say, excuse me,
can you pick that up? If a cat does that
or six cats in James's case, Yeah, I think the

(01:11:48):
neighbor should be going over there, the owners should be
going over there and picking up the cat dropping one.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Hundred percent agree. Yeah, absolutely, there is absolutely no difference,
and of anything, I think cat leaving the more disgusting
than dog leavings. Yeah, potentially not as big, but there's
nothing grosser than a cat leaving. But I'm just thinking
about the impracticality of it. So you go, because the
cat is going to walk past, not on a leaf.
The cat is just going to be walking around the neighborhood,
could be anywhere. You don't know whose cat it is.

(01:12:13):
So do you grab that cat and the cat's chipped
and then you take the cat to a cat pound?
Is that what you're saying? Yeah, And also I would
say on the back end of that, good luck trying
to catch a cat. I mean the saying hurting cats.
So even if you see a cat commit a crime
on your bom, you're going to run out there, You're
gonna grab the cat. You're gonna You're not gonna be

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able to catch that cat.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
Yeah, well that's a good point. I mean this takes
to here. What's registering your cat going to do for
the birds? Does the bird get to ask the cat
for its registration prior to being eaten? A great text,
very funny. But what Predator free in zed was saying
about registering your cat is that if a cat, if
you can catch a cat, not to manny people can,
but if you catch it, it's got a microchip, it's registered,

(01:12:55):
and it's killed a bird, then they can trace it
back to the owner and sign the owner.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
So if you grab a cat and it's not registered,
what do you do? Do you take the cat somewhere
to get euthanized and then it turns out that someone
loved their cat very much but they didn't get it registered.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Yeah, potentially, potentially. That's why it's so controversial. Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It
is eleven to three.

Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons you for twenty twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:13:25):
Four you talk zed B.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
News Talk zed B. We are talking about registering cats.
The government have said no at this point in time.
It has upset Predator free New Zealand and the SPCA.
They say it's a colossal mistake. What do you say, Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Got sixty nine two nine two guys? Registering cats is dumb.
I have never been in fear of my safety from
a roaming cat. Plenty of mouthy dogs whose owner say
he's very friendly. Dogs are registered as a safety device,
as dogs are dangerous to humans. Cats are not desext Yes,
Michael chipped, Yes, registered?

Speaker 23 (01:13:58):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
Well, Darcy Watergrave Sports Talk Coast just came in. He's
a massive cat owner. He gets upset with dogs doing
number two on his front lawn. Says that cats bury
their number twos. But he showed us a picture of
this massive collar. It looks like a eighteenth century rough
that he puts around his cats to try and prevent
them from getting birds.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Yeah, it looks like Percy from black Adder, doesn't It
looks like Blackadder too, But it looks like a bird
that swallowed a plate. But the thing is, because bowls
around the necks of cats, people stopped doing that, didn't
they For a long time people have boughs just to
stop them catching birds. But I think the bells drive
the cat. It's quite cruel to the cat. So Darcy's
got the solution of that with that big multicolored thing.

(01:14:40):
So a cat can never get near a bird because
it's you know, there's no camouflage, there's no sneaking up
on it. So that's an interesting thing. My question for you, though,
is what do you gain from registering the cat? What
what happens? What's saved? You've brought up birds, I'm not sure,
and that's just by keeping the number of cats down
and you've bought up defecating on lawns. Darcy also said

(01:15:02):
that cats don't tend to just walk into the middle
of a lawn and defecate. He believes that they either
bury their they're leavings or do them in secret places.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
Yeah yeah, well. And the argument from Predator Free New
Zealand and sbcas that it brings it in line with
dogs is that you have a National Cat Act like
you have a National Dog Act, so that there is
some tie in to owners because at the moment you've
got no idea who a cat belongs to and if
they are going to town on the native purd population. Yeah,
nothing you can really do. And even if you do

(01:15:32):
know who owns that cat, there's no legislation there to
say that you can find that person if they have
been killing I don't know. Let's say a couple of
Kiwi and they find that cat and say, hey, this
is your cat. It killed a couple of Kiwi. There's
not much they can do in that situation at the
moment because the legislation doesn't exist.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Yeah, I guess so. But is the feral cat situation
coming from people that love and look after their cats
or from people that don't care about their cats and
are bad pet owners and wouldn't get them registered anyway?

Speaker 20 (01:16:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
Good point, Blair.

Speaker 7 (01:16:01):
How are you hello?

Speaker 24 (01:16:04):
Guys?

Speaker 7 (01:16:05):
Like, what a stupid conversation. You can't register it cat?
The government's pulled the government's pulled back on it because
how do you fund it? What's your funding model? How
do you how do you enforce this? You know, it's
like a cat. I said it in my test message.
I won't read out exactly what I said. But cats,

(01:16:26):
they don't care. They're a law into themselves. You know,
if you've got a vase on the bench at home,
can you say cat don't knock that over you know
it's going to go.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
Over absolute ICs. Yeah, I agree, Yeah, they are.

Speaker 7 (01:16:41):
They are a holes. Registering a cat is not going
to stop at crapping in your veggie patch. I've got
a neighborhood cat that keeps shotting them the dahlias. At
the moment, I can't do much about it. But seriously,
what are they supposed to wear a little tag around
their neck? How do we do this?

Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
But it's on your point on the funding, and I
get where you're coming from, Leir, but I mean it's
it's money for nothing for the government. Really, is that
they set up a cat register? Yeah, I mean like
a dog register. You know, nobody really will come knocking
on your door and saying, hey, we know you've got
a dog. Is it registered in microaship? That doesn't happen.
But responsible dog owners will do that. But not all
dog owners will do that. And you'd hope if they

(01:17:21):
bought at least fifty percent of cat owners may do
it in time. And that's money for nothing for the government.

Speaker 7 (01:17:28):
Yeah, but that means you've got fifty percent of the
population the cats that aren't registered, you've got you've got
half the population registered, you know, and then you've got
another fifty percent of the population that aren't registered. That
fifty percent of the population are probably not the sect.
They're going to go out and do the jiggy thing
with a you know, with a girl care or a

(01:17:52):
boycat or whatever, and the population is going to keep going.
I'm you know, it's just silly. But the thing is
cats catstig holes to That's how I know. They around
my daily bolts. You know, they climb trees. If you've
got a little color it, you're run the risk of
it getting caught in the branch of something and strangling

(01:18:12):
the cat. Yeah, I just I can't see it as
being workable.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
I just think it's it's sort of impractical. In the
perfect world that maybe your view would make sense, Tyler,
But this text sums up a lot of it. I reckon,
dogs have owners, cats have staff.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Yeah, jerks, cats, the lot of it. Right, Thank you
very much for going out with a bit of thriller.

Speaker 4 (01:18:34):
There we go.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
Here goes another song produced by Quincy Jones, who passed
away at ninety one yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Genius talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen Taylor
Adams Afternoons New for twenty twenty four News Talk Zibby.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
Good afternoon, seven past three, Welcome back into the program.
Things are getting exciting in Melbourne. If you're a horse
racing lover Melbourne Cup underway and our man on the ground,
you know, well, guy have vout track side racing presenter
and broadcast to get a guy.

Speaker 20 (01:19:13):
Yeah good a fellows great to chat to here. Not
here in a working capacity. I should just add that
here for the color, the fun, the enjoyment and hopefully
win a dollar or two as well. It's a beautiful day.
It's absolutely jam packed.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
Yeah, Karwait, well if you're there on a recreational capacity,
what are you wearing?

Speaker 20 (01:19:35):
I've gone the navy suits with a navy tie with
some flowers on it that my wife helped me pick out.
I think if I was to enter fashion in the field,
I'd probably be a good chance.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
If this one thing I know about you guys that
you know your ponies, who are you betting on?

Speaker 20 (01:19:55):
I'm with sharp and smart. I think it's a race
that honestly find some value and I think you're a
good chance of backing a winner. Like I'll be honest,
it's not the strongest field that's ever assembled for a
Melbourne Cup. And there are a couple of standouts in
vo Ban and Buckaroo, who you'll see at the top

(01:20:15):
of the market. But I vou Ban is vulnerable in
the heat and it's getting hotter. Buckeroo's got a terrible drawer.
And Sharp and Smart is trained by a Kiwi Well
Kiwi partnership and Graham Rogerson and Debbie Rogerson. Graham won
the race when he last won the race when he
trained Effishent in two thousand and seven, and he comes

(01:20:35):
back with a horse and Sharp and Smart who if
he can be as good as he can be, which
is probably in his three year old year when he
won the Derby, if he can get back to those levels,
then he could beat any of these horses. And Graham
Rogerson seems to think that he's got him near enough
to that level. So I like Sharp and Smart and
I got him at seventy one dollars and I think

(01:20:56):
he's in the forty one so I'm raleish ly happy
about that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
And also blind patriots might go for Covi liquor.

Speaker 20 (01:21:03):
Covalika, Yeah yeah, co trained by Chris Wallo, who's an
expat Kiwi, a couple of other keywis in the field
and Positivity trained by Andrew Forsman and trust In You,
who is co trained by Bruce Wallace and Grant Cooksley,
a former New Zealand jockey. So few Kiwi angles to
get your hands on there if you do want to

(01:21:23):
have a dollar each way and be patriotic about things.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
And what's the excitement levels over there at the moment? Guy,
I think we've got you while you've only had a
couple of drinks at the stage, But excitement levels are
they high?

Speaker 20 (01:21:34):
You've got me at a good time, that's for sure,
yet very very high. Massive crowd. I think it's sold out,
so ninety odd or one hundred thousand people packed into Flemington.
Everyone's dressed up, everyone's looking forward to it. Obvious here.
The only time I've been to the Melbourne Cup was
twenty ten and it was absolutely bucketing down with rain
like absolutely torrential. Well it's a complete opposite today, not

(01:21:58):
a cloud in the sky. Everyone is in a good mood.
I'm in a great mood. The track looks superb. Everyone
looks superb, the horses look great.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Bring it on, Well, what sort of temperature is that there.
Last time I was at the Melbourne Cup, I was
in the birdcage area. It was about forty one degrees.
I was in a suit, I was sweating. No one
was betting on anything. It was the most beautiful people
I'd ever seen. I felt like a war dog walking
around there, and I was just praying for the cool change.

Speaker 20 (01:22:27):
Yeah, all of the above. It's not quite forty one.
It's probably I think we're at the late twenties today,
so warm enough but not quite swell thing to the
extent that you don't actually want to go outside. I
would have to say it's pretty much perfect.

Speaker 13 (01:22:41):
You have a great day, wrap it up, will do lads, Thanks.

Speaker 4 (01:22:43):
And me on.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
So things are getting exciting for guy. I have velt
at Flemington for the Melbourne Cup. But listening to Mike
Coskin this morning and he read a piece by Peter
fitz Simon's very famous rugby player over in Australia.

Speaker 8 (01:22:58):
You said, let's be clear, the Melbourne Cup does not
stop a nation, and hasn't for years. And I think
he's probably one hundred percent right, and it certainly doesn't
stop in Australia. If it doesn't stop in Australia. It
doesn't stop New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
Is the broad interest.

Speaker 8 (01:23:09):
Yes, will there be sweep stakes, yes, But the days
when everything stops simply isn't true anymore. It's not true
of anything. We don't all watch the same television program.
We aren't all interested in the same thing. No one
connects the way they're used to.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
So the race that stopped a nation or two nations,
that was the tagline for many years.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
Yeah, that's right, it still stops me.

Speaker 21 (01:23:30):
It does.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
And I think it's fantastic when people put together and
office sweep steak, and Rea's done it in our office today.
It brings people together, it does the work from home.
People miss out on that kind of thing, you know,
coming together. Whether you care about horse racing or not.
It's one of those things where you you focus on
one thing because it's a big event and it's something

(01:23:52):
that everyone talks about. I think it's a great thing,
and I think these are things that we should really
really try and support and you've just got to be
grateful to. They're called shirpers, people that bring people together
by organizing offer sweep steaks and that kind of thing.
Horse racing in general in New Zealand for the longest
time people have been talking about it being in decline

(01:24:13):
in terms of numbers that people go along. So if
you're into horse racing, what's so great about it? What
should what should we do to support it? If you
want it to get bigger? Is it a good thing?

Speaker 3 (01:24:23):
Are you into the Melbourne Cup today? But what you
just said, snap, exactly what I'm loving about the Melbourne
Cup is it's not about the horse racing. It's about
the vibe that I see out there in the office.
Because I couldn't give two hoots about who wins. I'm
died and actually I'm not. In the sweep steaks.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
You are and you you were too late getting into
the sweep States style. I tried to buy you in.
I bought an extra ten bucks in to try and
get you in there, but you were too late.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
So where's my horse? Someone else took my horse?

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
No, there was just not a space for you. You
were too slow, So I got mostly Cloudy pulled out,
which is playing one hundred and one, So that was
disappointing for me.

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
I think it's dropped down to seventy one dollars now,
so it might be in with a shot. But that's
what I love about these events. It can be anything,
but the hype around it and seeing other people excited
gets me a little bit excited.

Speaker 6 (01:25:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
And if you want to ring eight hundred and eighty
and eighty and two about the people in your office,
or if you're the person in the office that brings
people together for things like the Melbourne Cup, respect for
those people that put things together and bring people together
and get excited. And people don't get together for things anymore,
nothing stops us anymore, but you can put the effort
in to make that happen. And I think the Melbourne

(01:25:27):
Cup is worth stopping for and it's worth being excited for,
just because it's a thing that happens and it makes
day to day life just a little bit more exciting.

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
Yeah, if you're into it, love to hear from you.
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine to ninety two is
the text number. Just a reminder that we will have
it broadcast live on News Talk ZB at five pm.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
It'll stop you.

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
It is thirteen past three. Good afternoon, It is sixteen
past three. In about one hour and forty five minutes,
the Melbourne Cup gets underway. Woo whoo, you're excited by it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
Yeah, i am. I've got a bit of money on
Sharp and Smart and a bit of money on Kovalika
and I pulled out of the sweep steak mostly cloudy,
but the one I've pulled out is mostly cloudy. Unfortunately
one hundred and one dollars. But the Melbourne Cup is
a fantastic time and going to the races is a

(01:26:22):
really good time. I'm part of a WhatsApp group where
we have little tips. We'll we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll throw
a bit of money at the ponies during during of
a weekend and it's a very very fun time. Even
outside of glamorous times like the Melbourne Cup, it's a
great time because you can just put trackside on and
you can have a little flutter. And I'm not one
of those guys that has big flotters. I never go

(01:26:43):
for the big dirty, a big payday. I'll just do
a little sprinkle here and.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
A little twenty buck yeah, teen bucks there, Bob each way.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Not even that much, not even that much. And yes,
I'm very very very sure, but it's just a matter
of it's actually it's an entertaining thing to do and
I think horse racing is a great thing. But the
Melbourne Cup, that's when, probably at the moment where most
people in New Zealand engage with horse racing.

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
Do you think our love of horse racing is still high?
We used to be and maybe perhaps we still love,
but we used to be a nation that loved horse racing,
got right behind it. We've got a Minister of Racing
for goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
Sake, Whinnie Peters.

Speaker 4 (01:27:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
And for me, I've never been that much into horse racing,
but I enjoy a day out at the races, whether
I mean the last time I went was Cup Dang
and Christjitch. That's a burg week. Everybody gets super excited
because it's the whole week. It's a festival atmosphere. You've
got the Amp show, then the Cup day and the
racing and the student races. But to me, that was
just an excuse for a party, that's all it was.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
We went one of those people because John Campbell in
a show he used to love shaming people for getting
too steamed and ending up upside down and wheelibin's and stuff.
Were you ever one of those people that just went
too far lost it and humiliated yourself and people stood
around with cameras filming you as you had gone out
and your lovely outfit.

Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
Correct on points number one and two. But you always
found out where John was during the day and just
made sure to avoid and avoid the cameras. But that
was kind of part and parcel, I mean the student
racers in particular when I was at broadcast in school
in Canterbury UNI. I mean, what else do you do
when you're a UNI student? As you get dressed up
in whatever suit you can find and have a great
day out. That's part about being a student, right.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
Well, there's a text here on nine two, nine and
two what a load of rubbish. Everybody becomes interested because
everyone talks about it, But you are a hell of
a lot of more people talk about Bathist than horse racing,
but no one's ever interested in that. I think people
talk a lot about Bathist and I know a lot
of people that interested. I guess it's a circle. But
everybody becomes interested because everyone talks about it. But I
guess that's the point. Don't we want more of those

(01:28:41):
things where people talk about it and we become interested
and we get together and focus on something as groups
of people. And I love the idea of the office
sweep steak. I read this book by a go called
Max Dickens, a British guy. He wrote a book called
Billy No Mates, and it was all about how we
need to come together as people in communities. And he
talked about the people that do that, that organize things,

(01:29:04):
that organize the golf trips, that organize things round office,
organize the sweep state around things like the Melbourne Cup,
where people come together and appreciate something together and have
but a fun together. He called them shurpas. Great name,
and the surpas need to be celebrated in our communities.
The people that organize things to talk about things and

(01:29:24):
bring people together on certain issues.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
You've been to the Melbourne Cup events rather than issues
a Melbourne Cup. You've been a couple of times to
the actual Melbourne Cup. I've been to the Melbourne Cup.
I got a helicopter into Flemington at one point Chaapers, Yeah,
whose helicopter was at my costkins?

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
I don't know whose helicopter it was. It was one
of those silly things I was running a It was
kind of a thing for Victorian tourism. But we had
to drive way past Flemington from our hotel to get
to the helicopter that then fluence into Flemington, then landed
miles and miles away within Flemington before we walked to
where we were hanging out in the bird cage.

Speaker 3 (01:29:59):
But people would say that Melbourne Cup should be on
the bucket list of events that are in Australasia that
if you can get to, you should Would you agree
with that?

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
Yeah, understanding, But I think more we're talking about events
that stopped the nation in New Zealand because very few people,
as a percentage of the people that follow the Malbourne
Cup get to go, right. That's what one hundred and
ninety thousand people there on this particular day on the
actual Maulboin Cup day. But I think though, I think
that it's a great thing for people to get together
and watch the race, whether they ever get to go
to the race or not.

Speaker 3 (01:30:30):
Is the bad behavior kind of part and parcel of
that day or just read this text out, hi, guys.
A couple of years ago I went to the couple
and christ Jusch and witnessed the woman who threw up
in her handbag. Yuck. I mean that is you know
what you're getting if you go to the Melbourne Cup
or Cup Day in christ Jouch. You know that you're
going to see some of that behavior.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
Yeah, I mean that's the outside, that's on the outer
edge of the people's behavior there. And you could say
that throwing up in your handbag is a polite thing
to do as opposed to throwing up on the floor
or on someone else. Yeah, you could say that she
was behaving responsibly and she knew what she was doing
and that circumstance. But I guess I'm not really talking
about the behavior at those kind of races and such.

(01:31:09):
I think you can always focus on how people go
too far, and everyone talks about that someone putting on
a nice frock and going along and throwing up in
their handbag. It's always the most interesting thing to talk about.
But the majority of people that follow the Melbourne Cup,
it's maybe the only horse race they watch in a year,
and I think it's a very very very positive thing.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
Yeah, love to hear from you. If you did the
office sweep steak, you had the schuper in your office,
is that what this day is about? The Melbourne Cup.
It's about the excitement in the office, whether you care
about horse racing or not. It's an excuse to get
around the telly, get around the radio, listen to the
race and celebrate. And you might pick out a horse
that you have no idea what the odds are, but
it's all part of the fun.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
Yeah, and look, I guarantee I won't throw up in
my handbag when I'm watching the race later on.

Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
You say that now, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
It's twenty two past three.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
Good afternoon, it is twenty four past three and plenty
of tips coming through on the Melbourne Cup. Get A
Guys Show week in christ Church? Was fair?

Speaker 10 (01:32:16):
Was it?

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
The members stand one year and the lasses are far
worse than the chaps. A rebad behavior and this one
Getay Guys went to the Melbourne Cup a few years
ago was one of the best days out ever. The
bad behavior gets a bad rap, but most people are
just dressed up to the nines and a great day
all around.

Speaker 13 (01:32:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
I didn't bathe terribly when I went to the Melbourne Cup,
although I wore a two terrible suit. It was so
bad in my suit that I nearly didn't get allowed
into the fancy area that I've got tickets to.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
What kind of suit it was.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
I sort of had an open shirt kind of situation
going on because it's so hot. It was sort of
this baby blue kind of number with a sort of
frilly shirt off the rack. It was off the rack, Yeah,
it was off the rack. Brought it on the way
out to the ground. But also I wore a pair
of jandles and you went allowed to have open shoes
in the area there, You're supposed to have a tie there,
So there's a bit of negotiation there. I eventually got

(01:33:07):
some shoes handed to me by someone that listens to
my problem is getting in over the little area, and
I put them on and then handed back to them
when I got to the other side. I think this
is a beautiful text that came through on nine two
nine two. I just wanted to say a shout out
to Fill in my office, who always organizes things like this.
Organized a bowling trip for no occasion, got all of
us together out and about. It was great. Every year
he organizes the sweep steak for the Melbourne Cup, gets

(01:33:28):
us together for a bit of fun at the end
of the day for the Melbourne Cup. So yeah, beautiful,
that's beautiful. There's no vomiting, a handbags or anything bad
behavior like that. It's just wholesome office get together.

Speaker 3 (01:33:39):
Very nice and just a reminder that the Melbourne Cup
will be broadcast live on News Talk ZBB at five pm.
And the favorite at the stage looks to be Bukaroo.
You certainly don't have the favorite Andrew our producer has Buckaroo.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
Yeah, I pulled an absolute punisher of a horse out
of the box as the same form mostly Cloudy. He's
not going to win me the sweep steak. But Sharp
and Smart and Kovalka are the two horses that I've
put money on. But that's just because I always go
for the Kiwi horses. I feel like it's unpatriotic because
of a Key horse wins or a Kiwi trained horse
wins and you haven't bet on it, then you're not

(01:34:13):
only have you not won the money, but you're unpatriotic. Yeah,
but for Kiwi horse wins and you have puts a
little bit of a little bit of a flutter on it,
then makes you a good human being.

Speaker 3 (01:34:24):
The last time a Kiwei a new Zealand Horse one
twenty twenty one very elegant and twenty fifteen Prince of Penzance.
Remember Prince of Penzance.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
Great horses, great horse. Yeah, Melbourn If one smokes the
Melbourn cup says this text.

Speaker 3 (01:34:38):
No doubt about that right. Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. It is twenty
seven past three. Are listening to Matt and Tyler back
in a.

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Speaker 3 (01:36:02):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty nine to four.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
Yeah and yesterday. One of the greatest music producers of
all time and one of the greatest musicians of all time.
Quincy Jones passed away at ninety one, you'll know, and
probably for his work with Michael Jackson, some of the
most famous work he does. But he's been across music
for so long. Absolute genius. So I'm going to finish
the show with my top five Quincy Jones produced or

(01:36:27):
performed songs of all time. If you've got any suggestions
nine two ninety two, love to hear suggestions. Quincy Jones
just an absolute genius and if you want to see
him action, just watch the documentaries on Netflix, The Greatest
Night in Pop.

Speaker 3 (01:36:40):
A giant ye, a giant of music.

Speaker 11 (01:36:42):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:36:43):
But now I've got a situation and I'm going to
throw it to you, Matt, and to you the audience.
Am I the jerk in the situation? So give way
rules on narrow streets? So here's the scenario, right, Is
I am driving along and come up to a narrow
street that only allows or you can only get one
car through at a time. If I see someone coming
up to that narrow part and they are closer to

(01:37:04):
that narrow part, I'll pull over and give way to them.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
Right, Okay, you're coming along the street, right, and there's
not room for two people to go along. And there's
a lot more of those streets in Auckland than there are,
and you've been living there are absolutely so you're just
getting used to this. So you're coming along and you
will always be the first person to pulls over to
let the first persons through.

Speaker 3 (01:37:24):
Someone's closer distance thing closer to the narrow part, then
I will do what I think is the right thing
to pull over and let them through. But what I've
found out, and this happened to me this morning is
that I let that person through and then someone comes
zooming up and tries to get through with them. So
what I did as I moved into the street and said,
hang on them and I am nexting Q here. I

(01:37:46):
let that person through because they were first. I'm second.
Now you wait and give way to me, am I
being the jerk. So the person that's have.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
They zoomed up to get closer, because I would say,
if you let the person through and they're coming, I
don't know, two seconds behind, you're following the two second
rule or whatever, then you're kind of letting two people through.
They're in a procession. So what And you're asking if
you're the jerk in this situation, so what did you
pull out and block that other person that was coming through?

Speaker 9 (01:38:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:38:12):
Because that wasn't fair. They spit up so they could
get through with this person, right, But I was next
in cue, I was waiting to go through. I thought
I did the right thing. Let that person go through
because they were first to the narrow part. I was second.
This third person he had no business coming through at
that point.

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
Yeah, right, No, I think I mean it's a risky
thing to do to try and force a rule using your.

Speaker 3 (01:38:34):
Car probably pretty dangerous.

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
Yeah, I mean I experienced this all the time, and
I used to get really really annoyed if people didn't
wave if I let them in. And so you've taken
time out of your day to let someone through on
a narrow street and as they go past, they've got
to at least lift the finger off the steering wheel.
And it used to really annoy me. I've had to
reach deep down into my soul to forgive people that

(01:38:59):
don't wave, thank you if you let them in.

Speaker 9 (01:39:02):
But I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
I think that's a gray ear, You're gray area you're
talking through because I don't even know exactly how many
people to let in. I feel like if I've pulled over,
i'd essentially let everyone that's coming that way in. I've
basically said, depending on the length of the street and
how long I'm sitting there, within reason that I've pulled over,
and I'm the person that's pulled over for the people
to go through, making me a great person and I

(01:39:23):
can feel really good about myself.

Speaker 3 (01:39:24):
I'll tell you the reason it annoyed me because I
thought I was doing the right thing, being courteous, that
person was first, I let them through, and by that
same argument, that person who tried to race should have
been courteous to me and let me through. And a
couple of questions coming through, Tyler, were you hiding behind
another car? No, they could see me. They can see
me very clearly, And I just thought that was a
bit cheeky of them.

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
I think it is a bit cheeky.

Speaker 4 (01:39:46):
Yeah, But.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
Is there a rule?

Speaker 4 (01:39:50):
Is there a rule on that?

Speaker 11 (01:39:51):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:39:52):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty? What are the unspoken rules
of giving way on a narrow street? I mean, should
I have just been maybe a better person and a
better driver and let that person go through and then
it wouldn't have been a problem. But the problem there
is it's like a one way bridge, is that there
are absolutely giveaway rules on a lot of those, but
some people take advantage of that, you know, and they
get into the position way longer than they should, and

(01:40:14):
it gets a little bit annoying. I just think it's
about being courteous.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
Yeah, I mean, I guess it's not the kind of
thing that could be in the road code because it's
such a great area. I think I think you drive
the friendly way by letting the first person through. I
think the other person's being cheeky. But if they're being cheeky,
I think just let them go. I think just let
them go.

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
Well it's controversial, Tyler, Yes, Tyler, you're a jerk, your
small minded Tyler morge like a zip. You were right? Yes,
the other person should have given our way to you. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call term. What's your thoughts on this?

Speaker 12 (01:40:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:40:45):
Great, guys, Okay, so it's one for one. Everybody knows
that deep down some people were just arrogant. It's like
if you're going down the street and there's a car
parked on the side of the road, the person who's
you know, if you're on that side of the road,
you stop and allow the oncoming vehicle round it. It's not,

(01:41:07):
you know, off by a parked vehicle. You don't shoot
the gap.

Speaker 21 (01:41:13):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (01:41:14):
It's just common care, tocy and common sense.

Speaker 3 (01:41:17):
So in this case, I wasn't the jerk. Well maybe
I was the duke.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
I am not at all, But how how far tim
do you go to enforce that? So if the person
has sped up to try and take advantage of the
fact that you've pulled over and they've closed the gap.
Do you then pull out to make a point of that, Well.

Speaker 11 (01:41:39):
You've got a sess to situation. Doesn't it's going to
cause potential risk. Then they let them, let them go,
and you just sometimes you've got to wear it, you know.
And we're with the wish them a good day. But
you know, things have a way of evening out. They'll
they'll come across something down the road and it all

(01:42:00):
hack them off.

Speaker 3 (01:42:01):
Yeah, it's just you know, it's a nuance response. Actually,
so I was in the right, but I was probably
wrong and being a bit of a jerk by making
the statement that I did. It turned out that person
actually did try and move over because I effectively forced
them to.

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
Yeah, and before you get angry with people, you've got
to realize that a certain amount of drivers don't really
know what's going on and they're just making it up
as they go and they don't know the rules, so
they think you've pulled over. Okay, I'm going to speed
up and get through because I just want to get
this through as fast as I can to help this
person out.

Speaker 3 (01:42:32):
And I did feel bad after because I think once
they started to pull over. I realized at that point
that there was no malice intended. They perhaps weren't trying
to be cheeky. Maybe they thought, oh, this guy's pulled over,
I'll take advantage of his good nature. But at that
point I just got a bit grumpy.

Speaker 2 (01:42:47):
Well, I've got a secondary question of this. How do
you feel if you've pulled over and the person that
comes through that you've taken time out of your day
to pull over because you're a friendly driver, and they
don't give you the wave?

Speaker 3 (01:42:57):
Hate it? Hate it? And it is so annoyed and
they don't even look at you.

Speaker 2 (01:43:01):
And do you follow that up? If they don't, you
rapidly turn around and try and flip them the bird
or give them a stink eye.

Speaker 3 (01:43:06):
Ah, maybe the stink guy definitely know the one hundred
eighty ten eighty Well follow up question. If you do
something nice, you know, you're courteous to somebody on the road,
and you pull over and give way or you let
them in and you don't get a wave, how do
you feel about that? Does that make you upset? You're
sin guy these days?

Speaker 2 (01:43:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:43:23):
I am.

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
I used to really really drive me absolutely crazy, But
then I thought, look, I don't know. You know, I'm
a good person. I pulled over. I can just live
on that. Why they didn't wave at me? Who knows?
I can't. You've got to just wake up in the morning.
Except that some people are rude and just courteous and
you've just got to do the right thing because it's
the right thing to do. You don't know. Maybe they're
missing an arm, maybe they're a person, but it's just
only got just got the left hand on the steering Well,

(01:43:46):
that's that, and that's why they didn't raise. You can't.
You can't put motives on people. So whilst I used
to get annoyed when people didn't wave when I did
something courteous on the road, now now I'm just in
about it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:55):
You've changed, Matt. You've changed. One hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. It is twenty wonderful.

Speaker 1 (01:44:02):
Mattie Taylor Adams with with you as your afternoon rolls on.
Matt even Taylor Adams afternoons talks.

Speaker 3 (01:44:08):
It'd be nineteen to four. We've kicked off something here, Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:44:12):
Yeah, I tell you what hot topic full lines and
just text affter texts coming through Tyler maybe the other
guy thought, I bet this dickers from Kenbury. He won't
wait for me another person, says Bollocks Tyler. If the
guy split up and was immediately behind the first car,
he's one hundred percent fine. Why shouldn't he It would
delay you about two seconds? Seriously, not an issue. You
were wrong on this one, cheers Pat.

Speaker 3 (01:44:32):
I thank your pet. John, what do you reckon.

Speaker 5 (01:44:36):
Last corner?

Speaker 24 (01:44:36):
Absolutely wrong? It's common said to John and jerosy Emerg's
Like I said, hey, it's a funny thing. Yet thirty
five years ago when I moved here, this could never
have happened because Keywoy's never let anyone in the said
you've let people in little service taste or something like that,
and they would they wouldn't say thanks, they wouldn't look
at you. It was weird, yeah, robut absolutely the way

(01:45:00):
to do it. And I do a few one lane
bridges and narrow streets. It we're all doing it together,
like yeah, taking it terms anything else not comic Jersey,
and if it ain't comic Jersey, it ain't common sense.
Finally that you can you said, maybe she doesn't have
an arm, and you can't assume what the Moody is
that's like saying, you know, what do we do about

(01:45:21):
you know, why did you send a datus mandated and
full to her vaccinations? We can't just guess what the makers?

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
Well, yeah, I guess, I guess. My wider point is
that you can spend your whole life being annoyed at people,
but you don't really know that. It just doesn't make
your life better if you are getting annoyed with people.
And as as Texas said that sexually plays into two
that later on we're going to play some songs from
Quincy Jones, who passed away yesterday. He said the lesson

(01:45:50):
that he learned most of his life as a producer.
A textas sent this through is you've just got to
let go of resentment and move on.

Speaker 3 (01:45:59):
Thank you, John, How are you?

Speaker 19 (01:46:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 25 (01:46:03):
Hi guys, I now, but like you make me, Tyler,
I now slow and wave. Then when I drive, it
doesn't matter what they do. I'm still going a good time.
Rule number one that downhill system gives way, So you're
going down the hill, always give way. And like the

(01:46:24):
Australian that just was on, I agree, particularly in driving.

Speaker 23 (01:46:28):
Around orphans is they put those super pedestrian safety things
in that seem to me just stick at dandres. So
there's lots more, you know, one way spots all.

Speaker 20 (01:46:41):
Over the show.

Speaker 23 (01:46:42):
People aren't getting better and better at giving way, and
you know it's a two second thing. Smile, waves, carry on. Yeah,
I get pissed off. I get more pissed off if
they don't smile and wave then if they don't give way.

Speaker 3 (01:46:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:46:54):
But so I agree with you as well. You've just
got to go around and you can't let people. It's
dangerous if you just let people's rude behavior ruin your day.
So you've just got to be the person that drives
courteously and smiles and you wave and when people you
in you you flash the hazards at them to say
thank you. You've just got to be that person. But
I think you'lso bring up another interesting point. So I

(01:47:15):
think most people don't know that rule that you have
to give way to the person that's going up up
to hell. I think people have totally forgotten that one.

Speaker 25 (01:47:26):
Yeah, and we've got we too.

Speaker 23 (01:47:28):
Recently hit some roads around us that have all got
narrow spots now, and one of them has a bus
and only half the bus drivers they pissed me off,
and half the bus drivers big way for the downhill.
And I still smile and wave, and I hope that
they learn you're a great way you go to.

Speaker 15 (01:47:48):
Go.

Speaker 2 (01:47:49):
Yeah, you've got to put into the universe. You've got
to put out into the universe. So what you want
the universe to put out to you? So if you
if you go around being annoyed a people because they
don't smile and wave, then then that just ruins your
day and fills you full of hatred. But if you
if you smile and you do the right thing, if
someone someone lets you in and smile at them, then
you just know that you're doing the right thing and

(01:48:10):
you're a good member of society, and the love will
flow out from you.

Speaker 4 (01:48:14):
Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:48:15):
It's a great philosophy. But here's the thing about, and
I don't think that annoys me as much as someone
who feels like they're taking the mick. You know, when
I've done a nice thing and it felt like they
were taking the mick. But the thing about if you
do something nice and they don't even look at you,
they don't wave, then that has got a chain reaction
because then you say, what even do this Why why

(01:48:37):
am I curd You do it to people?

Speaker 2 (01:48:38):
You do it because it's the right thing. But I
actually want to pull you up on this because you've
got to think about what keeps the traffic going smoothly.
Right now, so you've pulled over, another car goes through,
the person behind them speeds up to get through, So
it's only adding another two seconds as opposed to the
rigmarole of them pulling over and then you pulling.

Speaker 3 (01:48:54):
Out dark coming downhill as well? Did I mention that, oh,
one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
get a fill?

Speaker 17 (01:49:01):
Yeah, just a little quick point. I've got a number
of drivers that I meant done for thirty five year
is in christ Church, and christ Us is a pain
in the house with the streets, and I've had to
go into court a number of times to try and
defend them the law regarding that, and most of my
drivers have lost as there's the sense of line, even

(01:49:23):
if it's not there, there's an imaginary center line. If
you cross over the center line and this person coming
the other way actually has the right they haven't crossed
the center line. You're in the wrong, ah, so they
have right away. It doesn't matter how many cars you've
let through. If you your driver or you cross the
center line, then you're in You're in trouble. So if

(01:49:45):
they want to really push it, then I can run
into you and you pay.

Speaker 3 (01:49:49):
What if both drivers have crossed the center line, well.

Speaker 17 (01:49:53):
That's well, then best champs coming, really hampty, that's pretty simple.
On most roads, I'm setting on a stupid little cross
to each road at the moment and there is no
center line. But this car is all down one side. Now,
if I or my guys goes and they hit someone
coming the other way because it doesn't give ways, they're

(01:50:14):
going to go anyway youve no matter how many cars
my guys there throw, he isn't the wrong. The same
with that particular role that we're doing. We don't have
to wear seat belt, and I'm just defending another guy's
got a ticket for no seat belt. And the story
is it was actually made up for postings back in
the old days and now used for couriers and milkman.

(01:50:38):
If you're doing less than two hundred and fifty k's
between calls, then you don't need to wear a seat
belt and out and then that all the time. The
Caurier drivers and what not. But the center line is
designing the deciding line. That's if you go over the
center line, your rights are gone.

Speaker 3 (01:50:57):
Interesting, so that supersedes the if you're going up or
downhill give way rule.

Speaker 17 (01:51:02):
That was initially made because I a lot of big trucks.
But anyway, that was initially made because to put a
big track to come down, like going down Lewis Pass,
there's two one way bridges, little we short ones, and
a guy coming down if he has to stop, then
he loses brakes and time he gets to the bottom,
he's gone. He's finished.

Speaker 3 (01:51:22):
Yeah, so I got it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:22):
Yep, that's really interesting. So I've had that round round
the wrong way my entire life because I always thought
that you gave way to the person going uphill. I
always thought it was because it was harder to go
up the hill than then to come down the hill,
and you had more control. So I've had that round
the wrong way.

Speaker 17 (01:51:39):
Yeah, I got a guy in you know, like it.
Now they're up to fifty six ton, but in my
day we're at forty two maximum. You can still set
up and pull again, and you're going to get up
as long as you've got traction, you will get up
the heill by coming down if he loses, if he's
still to really stop, you know, if if there's a
B train, then then he's in trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:52:01):
Is that naturally? Is that a Is that a road
code code rule? Is that an official rule or is
it just sort of a driving rule.

Speaker 17 (01:52:07):
Of thumb suggestions. I've never had to go to court
for that one. I don't know anyone who has. But
the other one, hell, yeah, so was it a myth?

Speaker 3 (01:52:17):
A trucky going up?

Speaker 4 (01:52:18):
Hell?

Speaker 3 (01:52:19):
And I always thought this that if they for whatever
reason stop momentum, it's going to be near and possible
to get that truck started to get up that Hell?
Is that just a myth?

Speaker 17 (01:52:27):
So long as they've got traction and infect the modern
because on the old day they had eating trans exules
in the head of road ranger eating speed or thirty
in speed gearbox, and you didn't use the clutch very much.
You don't have to apart from starting off and stopping.
But yeah, so if you've got crawl against that go

(01:52:48):
down to zero, can you're going? Stopping is your big problem.
That's where you don't want to go to lose his
breaks and of course, my break's going down the Lewis
once and Scarnia. Holy shit. Yeah, I did change a
lot of things when I got down the wall.

Speaker 3 (01:53:04):
Yeah, makes makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 11 (01:53:06):
There was.

Speaker 3 (01:53:06):
There's there's a particularly trick for as part of the
road just after Arthur's passed, you know that, Phil, And
apparently truckies have a real issue with that sometimes, right
is it's so steep. I think there's another lane that
exists if you do, if your breaks do give out,
at least you've got a lane there that you can
kind of hopefully try and slow down somewhat.

Speaker 17 (01:53:26):
Yeah, in Aussie because they got the room, they've got
runoff hereas run off areas everywhere. Yeah, so if you
get in the crap. Yeah, I didn't mean to swear
sorry earlier on, but yeah, no, it can be a problem.
But as far as that center line is concerned, if
you cross the center line you lose your rights.

Speaker 3 (01:53:44):
Okay, Well, thank you for this, Phil.

Speaker 2 (01:53:47):
I've just looked up just looked up this rule here
and it says on steep narrow roads, it's easier for
vehicles moving downhill to give way to uphill traffic when
approaching a corner of a hill, travel at a speed
that you can safely stop within the visible stretch of
road in front of you. But that doesn't make sense.
If you've got a truck that's coming down the hill
and it's going to struggle, it's going to be harder
for them to stop.

Speaker 3 (01:54:06):
Yeah, and that's game set a match. Actually, I cross
the white line, the middle line, which I probably did.
Shame on me. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is a number to call. It is eight minutes to four.

Speaker 1 (01:54:17):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. That Heath and Tayler Adams Afternoons you
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Speaker 3 (01:54:27):
Minutes to four. What are you pointing at me, Tyler
for we're gonna be talking about Quincy Jones. Well, I'll
just sort of say to wrap that, Uh yeah, that's right. Nearly,
I've got to be I've got to be a better
zen driver and I wall and it wouldn't have hurt
me too much going through.

Speaker 2 (01:54:41):
Yeah, Oh, sorry, I understand what you're saying. Yeah, hoily,
I'm professional. It's only a second month of doing the show.
We were going to say that you do give way
to traffic going up.

Speaker 3 (01:54:49):
Oh yes, Phil, lovely guy, but a lot of tears
coming through saying wrong, wrong, wrong, absolute rubbish. We work
on ski roads with shuttles, always give way to uphill traffic.

Speaker 11 (01:54:57):
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:54:58):
Yeah, okay, all right, Now on to Quincy Jones. So
Quincy Jones Junior was an American record producer, songwriter, composer,
a arranger in film and television, producer, incredibly successful musician,
amazing producer, one of the greatest of all time, one
of the greatest geniuses ever. I mean, apart from all
this music he did for movies and television and all
the producing he did, he also produced television, so it

(01:55:18):
was like the fresh Prince of Ballia. His career spent
seventy years, twenty eight Grammy Awards, and yeah, he won
the Grammy Legend Award in nineteen ninety two. So he
passed ninety one yesterday. So I thought i'd celebrate the
top five Quincy Jones songs that he's either produced or
written from nineteen eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:55:40):
From George Benson who Love That.

Speaker 2 (01:55:45):
Shot at number four from nine ninety three, Michael Jackson
Billy Jean from the thriller album phenomenal. Here you go
from nineteen sixty two. This is how long his career was.
He wrote this song Soul Boss and Over. It's a
huge at ninety sixty nine, but you probably know it

(01:56:06):
from Austin Powers. There what a tune. Another one from
Michael Jackson. This is my second top Quincy Jones rated
song nine Michael Jackson. Just an insanely great song and
the number one in my opinion. Quincy Jones produced song

(01:56:28):
of all time USA for Africa.

Speaker 3 (01:56:34):
We are the world fantastic raist and peace. Quincy Jones,
thank you for today. We'll do it all again tomorrow.

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