Full Show Podcast: 06 August 2025

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It's a Wednesday, fantastic show. Boy, did we go deep
into some warming dog Pooh stories. Also, boy, that e
eruck thing, that eruck thing went deep into conspiracy theories
and I blame myself with that.

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Stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything in between.
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons news Talk.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Said the very good Afternoons You welcome into Wednesday, a
Wednesday show. Great to have your company as always. Now,
just before we hit the go about them for the show.
That's how Matt, you said to me, you've got a
public apology you need to make to someone.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, and a lot of people think that public apology
be around how much I hustled you for that pimple
on your nose yesterday. Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
It's not about that, okay, right, I'm not gonna apologize
about that. I love you Copra on that one. You're
a good buddy, But I'm not gonna apologize because that
that pimple needs to be made fun of. No, what
I'm going to apologize about is this morning, I walked

(01:29):
into a cafe right and there was a guy and
as soon as I walked in, I clocked him as
being dangerously hungover. He just had that lock in the
face the way he was nursing his coffee and bacon
and eggs. That poor bugger. Wednesday morning. I just looked
him and said, boy, you're hungover. And then my partner
went to move a cheer along the concrete and it
was like a middle cheer in a concrete and it
was so loud as she moved it out. Oh, I

(01:51):
can hear that sound now, And this guy put his
hand on his temples and I was like, Oh, this
poor guy, that noise just really drilled into his soul.
And then I go to sit down and by the
time I go to sit down after paying for breakfast.
I've forgotten about the cheer, and I pull out my
chair and do the same, sound even loud of this,
and then he's just got his head in his hands.
This is killing him at this point. And then we've

(02:12):
got our dog in the cafe because we asked if
we could, and the dogs sitting on the table, and
then another dog comes into the cafe, and the other
dog's much bigger, and that dog just starts barking so
incredibly loudly right beside this guy that I think his
brain probably popped. I think I think of some kind
of vein in his temple popped. So I just want
to apologize to that guy because you look like you

(02:33):
were having the worst day and my actions made it worse.
So no apology to you, Tyler about the ZiT, that's right,
but huge apology to this random stranger who's hungover. I hangover,
I made worse.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
I mean, I feel sorry for that guy, but you
should apologize to everybody else in that restaurant because I
mentioned they were doing the same thing hungover or not.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
That is a lot of racket to deal with on
a Wednesday morning. But I felt bad. Yeah, But good
on you, right too.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Today's show. After three point thirty it is Wednesday. Gareth
abdenor employment law specialist, best in the business. He is
back with us, taking your calls on anything you've got
going on in your work. He is the man to
chat to any problems. Did you say anything, Yep, certainly,
did bringing it back anything. I haven't had some abuse
on the text machine for sometime. I'm just going to

(03:14):
bring it back for one day only, okaeah. I apologize
to anybody. I just gave you you crap annoying hungover man,
So sorry to anybody I annoyed with that anything.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Look, I think it's cute that you say anything, but
you know, from daring some of us prefer say anything. Yeah,
well those people are wrong. Yeah so o one hundred
and eighty ten eighty if you want to get early
texting through on nine two nine two your employment issues.
But he's bloody good and he's with us. After three
point thirty.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
After three o'clock, you're confused about the rules around picking
up dog pooh.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, let's let's lay them out once and for all.
What they are when you're walking your dog? What are
the rules about their leavings? Let's get stuck into that
after two Tyler.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Unemployment numbers they are around five point two percent. That's
the high since twenty twenty. We know it is extremely
tough out there for people who have lost their jobs,
particularly in their forties, fifties, sixties, who may feel that
it is very hard to start again. But we stumbled
across the story an actor called Ralph Ineson. He struggled
for a long time as an actor, was about to
give it up. He got tight cast as the character

(04:12):
Fincy in the original Wrecky ger A series The Office.
But now at fifty five, he has absolutely cracked it
with the biggest role of his career by far.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
So we want to talk about how you start again,
how you flip the script and pivot later in life.
Famous people that have done it, Sam Jackson, JK. Rowling
and Michael Hilldulu yeah. Rip. So that's after two o'clock
and after one pm, which is right now.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Let's talk about road user charges. So, as we now know,
they are coming in across the board. If you drive
a car, you're going to have to pay into the
ruck system. So in other words, the fuel tax that
goes away, that will be abolished and we all start
paying the system that people who drive evs diesel cars
already pay into. The argument from Chris Bishop is that

(04:58):
this is a fairest system across the board and will
help pay for the dearly needed infrastructure that we have
at the moment or we need going forward.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Well, this is what he said about it this morning.

Speaker 5 (05:07):
Essentially, the government will be abolishing petrol tax. People will
pay for the roads based on how much they use them,
and if.

Speaker 6 (05:15):
We get this right, people will.

Speaker 5 (05:17):
Pay for based on their vehicle type, the distance traveled,
the location, and the time of use.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
But the current system is regressive.

Speaker 5 (05:27):
Lower income kiwis don't necessarily have the option to buy
a new fuel efficient hybrid vehicle. Welfare folk like me
who can afford newer, more efficient cars pay relatively less
as our vehicle fleet changes, So too must the way
we fund our roads.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
It is not fair to have kiwis who drive less and.

Speaker 5 (05:45):
Who can't afford a fuel efficient car paying more than
people who can afford one and drive more often.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah, it's very odd audio, but I think you heard
what he had to say, so I guess the point
is that petrol vehicles with better fuel economy contribute less
to the fuel excise duty per kilimeter per kilometer YEP,
towards Rohan maintenance operations and the improvements. And there is
so many new fuel efficient hybrids out there that there

(06:15):
you know, there's twelve thousand more in our roads. Well,
you know in twenty fifteen there were twelve thousand our rows.
Now they're three hundred and fifty thousand, so they are
arguably paying less than their due for the upkeep of
our roads. But what do you think about this? Eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. So if you're if you
like me, blasting around in a guzzling V eight, I

(06:38):
will now be paying the same as you are in
your humiliating hybrid.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yeah, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Is this a fairest system? Do you see
any fishawks in this? We are going to have a
chat to the AA a little bit later this hour,
and I think there are some legitimate concerns around how
it's going to be implemented, compliance, et cetera. But love
to hear your thoughts. Is this the way to go?
Is this the fairest system? Or do you feel a
bit agree for being punished for buying an ev Oh

(07:05):
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
If they're going to road user charges on use, then
they should only charge people like me who own several
cars one registration charge, as I can only drive one
at a time. Very fair point.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Yeah, that is part of this argument that if you're
going to have charged by distance in terms of the
rucks system, then you should be maybe looking at the
warrant a fitness system. You should be looking at the
acc Levey, so can you get you thoughts on it? Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten A is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Matt. You really need to apologize to Tyler. You were
so rude to him. I feel for him having to
put up with your your selfishness and self opinionated attitude.
It's all me, me, me, Time to shut up and
listen to yourself. That's from Lynn.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
He actually gave me some nice flowers this morning. He
didn't want me to tell anyone, but thanks for those flowers.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
Man.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
I don't know if it was apology. That was just
a regular Wednesday for you.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Look it's better today, but if it flares up again,
I'm coming for you. It is fourteen pas one the.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used Talk
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Speaker 2 (08:07):
Us Talk Zed.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
It is sixteen past one and we are talking about
the ruck system. It's going to be coming in in
twenty twenty seven. That is the government's aim that all
vehicles will be required to pay into a ruck system.
They'll get rid of the fuel tax and we all
pay per distance rather than through our fuel.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah, how much time we are on the roads or
how many k's we roll on the roads? And Chris Bister,
Transport Minister, said, we're not going to shift millions of
drivers from a simple system at the pump to queues
at retailers. So it's going to be a different system
than putting you know currently now you have to put
it on your windscreen, Yeah what you wrote, you know

(08:45):
and get pulled over the CoP's going to be a
different system. But how are they going to use it.
I can't find out exactly how they going to do it.
Is it going to be a camera system. Is every
road in the country going to have a camera on it?
They're going to read your number plate? How are they
going to do it?

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Well, even if they can read the number plate, which
they obviously can, how do they find out what's on
your odometer? That is a very fair question. So we're
going to have a catch up with Terry Collins. He's
the principal policy advisor at the AA.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, because a lot of people are texting through and
seeing no worries at all. I just fixed my dometer.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah it's qually illegal, but yeah, there'll be a few
people out there doing that.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Hey, Tony, welcome to the show. Your thoughts on this?

Speaker 7 (09:20):
And yeah, I'm a bit concerned to what the government
and what the government's up to here, because if you
put an E road unit in your vehicle, they can
go back and download the speed location where.

Speaker 8 (09:31):
That vehicle has been operating.

Speaker 7 (09:34):
Yeah, what are they going to use this information for?
I'm up for I fear paying on the roads.

Speaker 9 (09:39):
It doesn't worry me there, But I'm just a bit
chemical without the government.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Really, So how do you how do you think that
they would they would get the numbers of how long
you're on the you know the case you're doing, Well.

Speaker 9 (09:55):
What's the E roads you've got in your track that
are automatically.

Speaker 7 (09:57):
And you roll over and you just get recharged.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Right, Yeah, a CBO you can go and that.

Speaker 9 (10:03):
E road and download and check against your log look
if you've had a break and everything like that.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
I mean, so, is that how they're looking to do
it across all all forms of transport? That's that that
seems outstand Yeah, because because right now they're saying it's
going to be as easy as paying your Netflix bill.
That's what Chris Pitcher did this morning.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
A generous view of that system, though, Tony is they
would be able to measure how many cars are on
a piece of road at a particular time. And wouldn't
that make it I get the privacy issues you're talking
about there, but wouldn't that make it easier to determine
where the funding should go. If they know exactly the
weight and the number of cars on a stretch of road,
then they can divert the funds there.

Speaker 9 (10:45):
They mind, I don't mind the funds being collected that
you use a page, but I just what is the
government going to use this information? Are they going to
go back and check on overspeeds and things like that
in private vehicles which you can.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, yep, Well there's nothing stopping them from doing that.
If that's the system they want to implement, I mean
retro you know, retroactively going back and you know, given
someone a fine for speeding a month ago through this
new system.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
I don't know. I wouldn't like the sound of that.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
Yeah, there's already enough cameras and operations going and we've
got police on the beat.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
But I mean that that's the kind of thing that
can happen, right, so you put it in now and
then you know, we've got we've got governments that have
made the speed limit thirty kilometers an hour, so there
is overreach, is not as not something new. So I
could totally see a time where they go, well, they've
got some kind of electronic distance recorder fitted in every car,
and then they start setting out speeding tickets. It's a

(11:44):
fair points instantly. Yeah, I mean we've got that here
at enz ME. If you go over the speed limit
in one of our vehicles, you immediately get an email
saying that you're speeding.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Yeah you know, yep, it within the realm. Yeah, no,
it's a fair point, Tony. I wouldn't like that, Tony,
I wouldn't like that one bit.

Speaker 10 (11:59):
No, No, I don't mind playing, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
The same. Yeah, correct, thanks for that.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yeah, no big privacy issues. If it's all going to
be digital and they can monitor every think we're doing
on the roads, a lot of people will push back
on that absolutely. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call love to hear your thoughts
about the ruck system.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
How do you feel? Is it a ferrous system? Or
are you worried.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
About overreach from the government. It is twenty past one
back in a month.

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Speaker 1 (13:24):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast, it's.

Speaker 11 (13:28):
A green light on the foreshore and Seabird had been
stuck in court. Of course, Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith one,
if the Supreme Court hadn't gone against the appeal.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Well, then we would have just carried on with our
legislation and passed it in December.

Speaker 11 (13:37):
Exactly because why, Paul, you are the ultimate court in
the land who gives some monkeys what the appeal court says.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Well, we obviously take very seriously. Why Breme Court says,
or the ultimate court of the land. If you want
to do something, do it, yes, but we take these
things seriously because everybody obviously has an interest of worsens
on the coast.

Speaker 11 (13:52):
Yes, So Basically, you're going back to twenty eleven. It's
just a few agitators hired. I'm sure at taxpayers expense,
some lawyers to go to the Appeal Court then the
Supreme Court.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
That's how it unfolded, wasn't it.

Speaker 11 (14:01):
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Speaker 2 (14:07):
It is twenty four past one. So this is what
Chris Bishop has said around the tech on this new
EERUCK system. We will also engage with the market in
twenty twenty six to x assess technological solutions and delivery timelines.
In parallel, MZTA and police will upgrade their systems to
support enforcement in the digital environment. By twenty twenty seven,

(14:27):
the RUCK system will be open for business, with third
party providers able to offer innovative payment services and a
consistent approval process in place. At this stage, no date
has been set for the full transition of the light
vehicle fleet. That's a deliberate choice, as we're focused on
getting the system right rather than rushing its roll out.
So naively, I just thought it would be number plate reading,

(14:50):
but it surely would have to be some kind of
device in your car.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Well, I've got two years to figure it out, and
it sounds like they're still trying to work out what's
going to be the best system. But it's not going
to be easy, and no doubt about it, the current
RUCK system is clunky for most users. I have to
pay into the RUCK system. I don't know xually if
I need top up RUX at the moment because I
don't get any email bounce back and say hey it's
coming up time, because how would they know. They don't
know what's on MYODO. So I've got to figure that

(15:16):
out for myself.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
I know that. But it's funky, I am. I mean
that system absolutely. I remember the Radiohardachi ute. No one
paid the diesel charges and then some poor eighteen year
old in tun was driving around that got pulled over
by the cops and absolutely balled out. Yeah that's what
you get as an intern numbers in it. Yes, So
you know, as I said before, Bishop said, it'll be

(15:37):
as easy as paying your Netflix subscription. Hallelujah if they
can make that work. When I find that pretty painful
and even though I don't do anything.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call love your thoughts on this ruck system?

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Are you a fan or do you see some problems?
A power utility in a Sacramento counter used smart meters
to check on customers and report it to police for
under using and over using power by claiming there was
criminal activity. They are now being sued. That's interesting, Dan,
welcome to the show. Hope you have and a fantastic Wednesday,

(16:09):
I believe it is. What are your thoughts on this.

Speaker 7 (16:12):
Good old Hume day?

Speaker 8 (16:13):
Hi guys? Yeah, you guys always have a pretty good
discussion afternoon, so appreciate it singing as much as I
probably should. No, it's great interesting topic. Just before we
get into a full disclosure, I've worked in the transport
technology space for about twenty five plus years across Australasia.

(16:34):
Predominantly worked with and the competitive space from an industry
point of view, From a heavy goods vehicles point of
view or HDVS if you're looking at the I guess
the residential sort of mum and dads or everyone ad
is already a system in place today. The way that
that works for both the industry as well as individuals

(16:55):
today using diesel, obviously you get a cheaper bowser price
and then you pay an advance for x amount of distance.
I think the minimums one thousand, and then you can
do all manner up to fight and ten thousand odds
or two increments and so on. That's a pre purchase.
If you get stung on the side of the road
and you're out of your distance, obviously it's a really

(17:16):
hefty fine. It's disproportionately heavy. You do have to display
very much the similar stock to your registration looks very
much the same. It's got that sort of pattern on
it that it's like a two D code, so it's legit,
and so that's part of the legislation as well. Local
provider the first to digitize and they had a full

(17:37):
display digitally so on the vehicle. And the thing is
that it reports back to a mapping system or a
GOS graphical information system or layer. What hasn't been raised
is there's a benefit as well, because you're pre purchasing
your distance, if you do any kilometers off the public

(17:58):
road system, you're able to also claim back those pre
purchase kilometers accordingly, so there's it essentially pays for itself,
including the administration straight costs of you.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
To do it.

Speaker 7 (18:09):
Manually.

Speaker 8 (18:10):
So for example, a lot of people don't know that
the corridor out to the airport has all been set
up by the Aviation Institute, and you know, any Zellan
is a massive sort of group of stakeholders out there.
The land aanks and you know sequested land for the
logistics growth in the country. All of that is private road.
So that's an example where you do x amount of

(18:31):
academeters per week month, whatever you're sort of there's minimum
thresholds that you know, they won't deal with ten tents
every week sort of thing. That's sort of you know,
as you accumulate those off roads, so people who live
in farms, you know, from farmgate to shed and what
have you, that's all private road. If you having to
be in a vehicle servicing or even building a road

(18:52):
that's a private road. I would like to think, for example,
the toll roads that are in place the bipop pass
and tower on that were you already paying and getting
stung as a private road that distance again, you're be
able to claim that back. So yeah, that's a really
great thing that most people will probably yourself if you're
doing it manually with it sounds like you are and
you don't know how you're tracking. You know there's a

(19:14):
claim back there. I'm not sure, but I think you
can do it up for two financial years or something
like that, as well as follows in the sense. But
it's certainly worthwhile as you've prepaid for it the other
side of it. And I do want to wrap it up.
Sorry to just take so much space.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Good on you loving this. You're the expert we needed.

Speaker 8 (19:33):
I wouldn't go that fast, but yeah, I've clearly been
involved forever across Australia and you're in and today. I've
sort of seen this coming. And there's certification requirements of
the n v TA, So you know, if you look
at sort of the ability to be able to know
whether you're simply on an on or an off road

(19:54):
to a public or private road, you know you have
to be able to be accurate and be able to
validate that, and so there are systems in place. We're
ready today. There's only one provider that has today been
certified and it's the only one that has it of
its kind. You as a mum and dad as a
residential non commercial vehicle commuter today it's really and again

(20:15):
I don't represent this company. We certainly partner with them,
but we don't even touch the residential space. So I'm
not trying to line my own pocket's head for disclosure there.
But yeah, if you go to my rak, I think
it's going deed. That's a really nifty system. They already
are on the commercial side as their compliance there by

(20:38):
the n z t A. So you have to have
an approved complied system that meets all that criteria X
amount of tracking curve, you know, whatever, poles, permanent and
what have you. You have to go to the formalized
claim back. It also just the pre purchasing up front.
Just be mindful that that platform has a service fee,

(21:00):
so you're probably smarter to buy longer distance less frequently
because there's a transactional fever, you know, horses of courses.
At the end of the day, my ruck's really in
a bit of not only being the only one that
is enabled for this residential space or non commercial vehicles,
and that it's got a l C D Digiti board
that comes with it, so that is your display electronically.

(21:23):
You don't have to buy one of these expensive e
roads sort of displays that you know, you're talking one
thousand plus for a vehicle with all the add ons
and you know it's portable, it's compliance. There's an app
so apps, three downs and free to download. It does
all of your configurations around your pre purchasing. It does
all the tracking for you as well as you know.

(21:45):
It gives you the ability to export the report and
send it into for the NVTA for cleaneback and then
you get a check in the mail. There's no checks
these days, but you get a deposit in the mail,
and I think you can add that to your pre
purchase of your next distance. The last thing I'll say
and hopefully wrap it up Air GUYDS Sorry again, but
my sort of thoughts on this is, you know, how

(22:06):
else were they ever going to attract charge for fueling evs?
You know these are positive to that and that our
home expense around energy and electricity. He once puts solder
on their rous and they're charging their own cars. There's
not a great network there today. But even if we
get thirty to forty percent of electric electrification across the country,

(22:27):
how are they even going to tax that? So it
makes sense that they were always in my mind going
to go to an e ruck for electric vehicles. I've
got to get their tax on those cars somehow when
it's you know how even if they charge one hundred
percent taxes on you know what is it that he
sent them the dollar to fill your cart with electricity?
They were always going to do it. What I found
amazing is that it's the first of its time globally,

(22:48):
just been the original commercial ruck for us to forge forward.
There's been pilots in place already over the past few
years that cases out and test it. So it's it's
fairly well mature. I don't really see any cavea it's
other than that was the electrification piece that filled the
gap in mind view. But yeah, that's enough for me.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Got ordination, Yes, some good thoughts here. So is it
going to be? What system do we think it's going
to be. It'd be interesting to ask some questions.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
We have Terry Collins, he is the principal policy advisor
from the AA. We're going to catch up with him
after the headlines. Have you got a question for Terry
boy all means nine two ninety two. Yeah, he's been
across this from the get go.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
It would just be interesting to see how it done.
If it's a device in your vehicle or as this
Texas saying your dometer mileage is recorded when you go
for a WAFT pass or not. That information goes to
the NZTA. Yeah, but it seems to be suggesting they're
going to go for a system that's a little bit
more immediate than that.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
So Terry is coming up after the headlines if you've
got a question for him, nine two nine two, But
he is coming up very shortly.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
It is twenty six to two.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
US talk said the headlines.

Speaker 12 (23:53):
Well, blue bubble taxis it's no trouble with the blue bubble.
New Zealand's economic recovery is still stugging a rut, with
the unemployment rate at a five year high of five
point two percent. The Infrastructure Minister says replacing petrol taxes
with universe road user charges for all vehicles is about fairness.
The current fuel excise duty on petrol will be scrapped

(24:15):
and eventually all vehicles will pay road user charges, so
evs and hybrids pay a share of road maintenance. Mercury
says it's important to invest in renewable and non renewable
energy sources as it combines forces with other power providers
to stockpile coal. It says the backups needed as they
build up renewable sources of energy. Six alcohol sellers and

(24:37):
Tartanaki have failed alcohol compliance checks, with underrange volunteer shoppers
only twice asked for ID at eight venues. In July,
a University of Auckland's study has found minor birds sing
fewer and simpler songs after a night of disturbed sleep.
The researchers say poor quality song could threaten birds survival

(24:58):
and reproduction. Plus Zuru billionaire Nick Brobray has started giving
evidence in his case against a rival nappy manufacturer.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Read more at ends at Herald Premium. Back to Mass
and Taylor. Thank you very much, Wendy.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
So, as we've been discussed discussing, the government is preparing
to move all vehicles over to a ruck system by
twenty twenty seven. Terry Collins is Principal Policy Advisor for
the AA on Transport Policy and Advocacy. He's been across
this since the idea was first floated by National and
joins us on the phones now, Terry, very good afternoon
to you.

Speaker 7 (25:30):
Yeah, get afternoon Matt and Donald.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
So, Terry is petrol tax or fuel excise tax no
longer sustainable as a road funding model in New Zealand.

Speaker 7 (25:39):
Well, we've been starving to get more efficient cars. So
obviously if you're traveling in the same distance and using
less fuel, will pay less tube exhaust duty and that's
been the driver behind it. Also, the move towards more
hybrid and evs means obviously evs don't use petrol, hybrids
use even use so looking at the future the way

(26:00):
the fleet was going to change, that made this decision
to move to universal ruck for the vehicles.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
What is an e ERUCK system and how do you
see it working?

Speaker 13 (26:09):
Is?

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Will there be new technology installed in cars? Will we
have a device in every single car? How do you
see it say it working?

Speaker 14 (26:17):
Well?

Speaker 7 (26:17):
Yes, it's really interesting because I see in the minister's
comments he talks about it unlocking congestion, charging and tolls.
So that means it's got to know where you are
when you were there, Okay, So that lends itself to ERUCK.
What happens in the heavy truck industry is they've got
something called ERUK. The advantages of that is that if
you go into a forest on the port, it turns

(26:39):
the eruch off because they're not roads, and you don't
pay for those off road journeys. Also, many of them
have a driver telemetrics which when the brakes applied, the
accelerator was used a number of other things that they
can use the driver training. The key issue around the
heavy industry is every one of those people who uses
it voluntary and you're going to put it into the

(26:59):
light fleet. I don't think everybody will want to have
it in because why our members tell us us that
are concerned about some of the privacy issues having people
know where we are when we are, even though we
use our cell phones and off in that case, around
having your vehicles parked up and other things. That is
one of the issues that are really going to have
to be well considered by the government.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah, can you see a situation where I can imagine
the government won't do this at launch, but you can
see a situation where a government comes in and says, well,
we're going to fire out speeding fines for anyone that
we detect on this device we put into these cars instantly.

Speaker 7 (27:34):
Well, look, there's a couple of things that have happened.
A lot of people don't realize that you've already got
devices in your car, particularly modern cars that record all
this information. We've had insurance claims that I know have
declined because the person's told one story. We're written off
a vehicle. I mean, they download all the information off
the computer, They find a completely excessive speed on a
gravel road at secret, so they decline it. So already

(27:57):
they've got all this information going. What it's going to
be is and what really needs to be managed is
if you look at the minister's press release, he's talking
about private companies running the system. That means you've got
private companies who've got your data and always not that
data is very valuable, and so how we manage that
is going to be one of the big challenges.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah, I mean if it slips over into even just
mentioning congestion charges as adding another sort of social engineering
aspect to it. Are there any EERUT systems working like
this overseas?

Speaker 7 (28:29):
Look I whild I had a Japanese import and I
flipped down the sun visor and underneath it was a
little pod where they just plugged in the transponder. And
so when they drove around Tokyo where the car came from,
every time that we passed a toll we passed onto
a certain road, they had automatically accumulated the charges and
then they would get a bill at the end of
the month. So there are devices like that, and Singapore

(28:53):
uses it, in a couple of other countries. A number
of other countries just use it as well. London around
entry points into the city had those kind of devices
as well. There are some positive surrenders because if they're
going to build the system they nearly they need a
future should proof it because once you go to distance
space it unlocks a lot of other things, like the

(29:13):
way we pay our acc currently and this comes in
at twenty twenty seven. If you've got a motorcycle over
seven hundred and fifty ccs, you will be paying twelve
dollars shy of one thousand dollars a year to register
it or because of the aa ACC charges right now.
I know lots of guys have got two or three bikes,
but they only ride one and so you've got this

(29:35):
big contribution. So moving to a distance space for those
motorcycles would overcome that problem of them double dipping around it,
and so for multiple vehicle owners, distance space will be
a really good thing.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
But it's a good point, you know, I mean similar
with the WAFT system as well, Terry, that if you're
going to have distance based charging for you know, distance
and then acc surely the WAFT would come into that
as well.

Speaker 7 (30:01):
Well. Well, they had a doubt and the government just
changed the requirements for vintage cars, those cars over forty
years to go from six monthly to twelve monthly because
for the pod and joy of most of the owners
have got them, they're well maintained, they don't do the
distances that other cars do and have a lower wall
on a fitness failure rate. The AA thinks that distance

(30:21):
traveled is a better indicator of where and tear on
a vehicle, not age. Regardless, you can have a brand
new car and have a three year want and it
could be doing thirty thousand kilometers a year because it's
an a fleet or whatever, and it's noble atomic, it's inspected,
it's done ninety thousand, versus something that could be the
forty years old gets done once a year. It's only

(30:42):
done twelve thousand.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Yeah, makes a lot of sense. Yeah, Terry, we're loving
this chatter. You're right to hold there. We're just going
to play some messages, but we'll come back with some
more questions. Yeah, that's great, brilliant, Thank you very much.
We're speaking to Terry Collins, principal advisor for the AA.
We're going to come back with some more questions for
him very shortly.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, and if you've got any questions. I one hundred
and eighty eight nineteen sixteen to two.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
It's a fresh take on took back. It's Matt Heath
and Taylor Adams. Aren'tons have your say on eight hundred
talk afternoon. It is fourteen to two and we are
talking with Terry Collins. He's the principal advisor at the AA. Terry,
thanks very much for hanging on.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
No, that's okay, and I'm Terry.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Look not for the first time in my life, I'm
a little bit confused. I'm just going to ask you
a question that you kind of seemi ask. But it's
not a pay in advance and display system like Diesel
Myers system. Now, So just to clarify, do you think
the government is talking about a physical device in every
car or is it cameras on the road or is
it just something that is marked off at warrant a

(31:44):
fitness or regio against eurodometer.

Speaker 7 (31:48):
Well, the details aren't there yet, but let's kind of
explore some of those options. If it's around checking itself,
declaring it, well, that's not going to unlock the congestion
and the tolling. So that announcement makes me believe that
they are thinking of some kind of physical device in
your vehicle that plots the distances that you're going there

(32:09):
and loves of rub because we've got modern cars that
have got a lot of that data already, but everage
age of our fleets about forty years before it leaves it,
so we've got our whole cars in there. And if
you think even if there's a million or two million,
and you've got to spend at least a couple of
hundred bucks to get the thing put in, and then
for the whole fleet, what's going to be the monitoring costs?

(32:30):
How are they going to monitor it? Is it going
to be real time? And I suspect that would be
difficult expensive. Imagine four million vehicles trailing around getting tracked
every month. We know what our phone deals are like,
so look, we're waiting more detail about that. You've really
hit the right kind of question around this given that
they if they do put these transponded devices in it,

(32:50):
you've got both the initial and installation cost, but then
you've got your ongoing monthly or whatever the time period
is monitoring costs that go with it.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yeah, and do we really want the government to know
exactly where we are in our car in real time
and what speed we're traveling at and exactly where we are?
Is that the kind of information we want the government?
And as you said before, also a private firm because
they want to take it out to private companies for

(33:22):
the the tech. So is that something that we want?

Speaker 7 (33:25):
You think, well, too late, it's already here because every
time you're hoping your car with your cell.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Phone, we've voluntarily done it, haven't we.

Speaker 7 (33:35):
Yeah, Yeah, we've voluntarily done it. So here's yeah. I mean,
these are the challenges that are facing us around it. Obviously,
if you want to automate the system, and that's what
the indication for the government is they want to automate
it can really use Okay, this is what you've done,
here's your bill. But then you start thinking about these
kind of vehicles like a nineteen ten c veteran card.

(33:55):
You want to transport us sitting in it for the
for the your distance it's going. So there's going to
have to be some practical exemptions in some ways around it.
The data, i think, is me all the privacy and
those issues arrive and you get a bill for xCE
and to killermeters an hour in some ways for the
private could unlock the fringe benefits when you use a
cab privately when you don't when you're off road. For farmers,

(34:18):
no driving around the farm. I'm not paying any money
back on the road. I'm paying some money because I'm contributing.
There's a whole bunch of subtleties and nuances that have
to be explored further, given the issues around privacy, the
cost of installing, the cost of monitoring, and then the
benefits from it.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
With all that we've chatted about here, is it fear
to say that this is almost a bit like a
trojan horse that you bring in the system like this
that monitors everybody and we all think it's for road infrastructure,
But as the Minister said, there's other things that they
can utilize the system for. And to me that's a
bit too far that if we can all agree on
a ruck system to pay for road infrastructure, but then

(34:57):
to utilize that for something like congestion charges. No, no,
you can't. You can't play that game.

Speaker 7 (35:03):
Well, you think about GSC that they border it. It's
only going to be keen to see exactly twelve and
a half it was fifteen percent. So you kind of
hear these people. One government makes it can't make a
commitment for future governments, we will never use this for
compliance or enforcement issues. That's a point in time. In
the future, there might be a different view where they decide, hey,
we've got all the data and it's do it. I

(35:24):
will tell you the story like I mentioned earlier about
people don't realize a guy and a trade in a
fifty two thousand dollars vehicle made an insurance claim because
he rode it off, said he was on a road.
When they got the computer information out, he was founding
one hundred and forty kilometers on the gravel road and
rolled it. Because he had not told the truth to
the insurance company, they declined it. So there's a whole

(35:47):
bunch of potential things like when people look at the
bill and go, how come you done all that distance?
Or how come you didn't do all that distance it
is getting arraged in where you're going to have more
monitoring on it, and how that is managed is one
of the key issues.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yes, thank you so much. Terry Collins, Principal advisor for
the ACCA. Hey, sorry, but yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
I mean the more that you chet about it, the
more that I start to question bringing in that system
like that, just because that monitoring and using that data
far beyond its original intention.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
I mean, you have crazy, evil people that will lower
the speed limit around a city to thirty kilometers in
an hour. So if they believe that that's the good
thing to do, it's not much of a step for
people that want to have their hands around your neck
that much to then immediately find you because they've got
a transponder in your car when you're going thirty five kilometers. Now, yeah,
very true.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. It is eight to two.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
It's mad Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
News DOGSB News TALKSB six to two. So the government's
preparing to ditch petrol tax and move all cars to
road user charges, but it's so complicated when you bring
an e erucks that's certainly a lot of fish shocks
and a lot of weird, little unexpected consequences. Chris is
happy with US road use the charges. Excellent sorts out

(37:10):
evs and I pay less for lawnmower and chainsaw petrol. Yes,
definitely should not be paying fuel exos tax for your
chainsaw and your bloody yeah lawnmowers, should you? Absolutely? Surel
Welcome to the show. Your thoughts on this?

Speaker 14 (37:25):
Hello, yes, look, and I think National may have just
lost the election based on that. I certainly don't trust
the government to have my information secure. They've proven they
can't keep things secure.

Speaker 7 (37:37):
And I also don't.

Speaker 14 (37:38):
Trust agencies coming in along on that and trying to
take that. You know, I don't quite understand it. So
I'm looking forward to listening to some more info. But
for me who has to use a vehicle, I must
use a vehicle because I carry stuff to work, et cetera.
It's quite penalizing, I think as well. But I don't
like it at all, to be honest, I think it's wrong.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Yeah, it was all very well until Chris Bishop mentioned
you know, congestion charges and then yeah, and then you
start thinking what can be done there. So if it's
just if it's just doing the one thing of road
user charges, then I think most of us would be like,
this seems fairer than the current system.

Speaker 14 (38:17):
Yeah, we all value our privacy and this is really
going to give some people a bit of a gult.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
But if they start, you know, tracking where we are
and when we are at the same time as how
far we're going, then you know, if it just tracks distance, fine,
but anything else get out of my Okay.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Exactly, yeah, exactly, Thanks you cool, Eryl, very good point.

Speaker 15 (38:38):
Right.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
We're going to carry this on after two o'clock.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Love to hear your thoughts. O, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty, how do you feel about what's been proposed
for the ruck system, digital tracking and the like. Really
keen to get your views on this. Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Nine
two nine two is the text number is Well, if
you can't get through, keep trying. We've got full boards
at the moment. It's a hot topic. But love to
hear your thoughts. New sport and weather is coming up

(39:03):
great to have your company on this Wednesday afternoon.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
You're listening to Matton Tyler. We'll see on the other side.
Will you give me a whole We can't fix that
if we have a facing.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
Let the past be the pastas wavers talking with you
all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the program.
Six past to road user charges is what we've been discussing,
and they are coming in across the board. The government
announced that today they want to bring it in in
twenty twenty seven. There's still a bit of work to
do about how all the technology will work, and they
are the big quick questions we've been finding over the
last hour.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah, because it seems like it's some kind of EERUT system.
As Chris Biship said today, a handful of e RUT
companies already do this for about half of our heavy
vehicle fleet, and there are several companies both to Mexican
International with innovative technology that could comply with ruck. Complying
with RUT cheaper and easier, he said, We're not going

(40:06):
to shift millions of drivers from a simple system at
the hump to queues at the retailers. Instead of expanding
a clinky government system, we will reform the rules to
allow the market to deliver innovative, user friendly services for drivers.
Now this Texas says, I've worked on ruck programs around
the world. Nothing government has said in this announcement would
make it mandatory to do more than a dometive reporting.

(40:26):
The option to include location exists now with the ruck.
So the bit that we're concerned about is this from
Christopher Bishop allowing bundling of other road charges like tolls
and time of used based processing into a single easy payment.
So if you take an e ERUCK system and terms

(40:48):
such as a time of use based timing pricing, I
mean that suggests that they're tracking where you are. Yeah,
and then we might be wrong there. Maybe that's been
mis spoken. But if it has the ability to do that,
they might not do it, but the next government might
do it. Yeah, they might, they might. Who knows. I mean,

(41:09):
is it going to be like an oscopiastri situation at
the Silvesten graand pee when you know? So he got
some ten second penalty for breaking from two hundred and
eighteen kilometers an hour to fifty two kilometers an hour.
The stuarts, you know, he was saying, you know, they
were talking about what kind of penalty it would be,
back and forth for Claren and then the FIA just

(41:31):
had all the information. So like, well, mate, you break
from two on eight and kilometers an hour to fifty
two kilometers an hour and that, as far as we're concerned,
is statistically speaking erratic driving. So there's a second penalty
and it lost in the Grand Prix.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
Yeah, it's a great if one analogy, and I think
that is pretty close to the mark when and it's
fair to say that we bullet point was in the
media release and we'll read that again, allowing bundling of
other road user charges like tolls and time of use
based pricing into a single easy payment and as you say,
the time of use discussion, that is still a debate
that is raging. Many people are pushing back at this idea.

(42:07):
It's the same as.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Conditions horrible social engineering.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Yeah, so it does feel more and more like a
bit of a trojan horse that we can all agree
on the ruck system might be a fairer way and
we get rid of the fuel excise tax. But then
to say, hey, we could also use this for congestion
charging dirty.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
On the other side, this Texas says, take a shell pill,
you guys. Those of us using toll roads here and
overseas already use the technology. It's hassle free and no abuse.
As for the evil government theory, a basic level of
efficiency is needed for evil, We're miles away from that.
It's a fair point. Yeah, but you know, if there's

(42:43):
a device that's tracking your speed for example, right, yeah,
And if you're tracking distance, then it's not hard to
track speed, is it. No, If you're tracking distance and time,
then you get speed, right yep. So who's to say
that a government won't go, oh, you're traveling thirty five
k kilometers an hour in the thirty kilometer of the zone. Yeah,

(43:05):
like we have around Auckland and other centers in New Zealand.
And who's going to be running the system. A lot
of people are talking about e road that's been utilized
by the transport industry, but I don't want E road
being forced into my vehicle. It's not that I don't
trust e road, but why would a third party come
into the mix there? And you can't tell me the
government's going to set up their own system like EOD.
They don't have the expertise and capability of money. He's

(43:25):
clearly saying that he wants to partner with private companies, right, So,
then do we have to pay for a device that
tracks us? The other side of that we all do
anyway with our smartphones in our pockets. Very true. It's
an interesting and complex discussion. Mark you're in favor of.

Speaker 16 (43:40):
It, yeah, big time, afternoon, gentlemen. I think I look
at my family unit where I've got a hybrid SUV
for the family. My daughter's got a little Zuzuki Swift
and that runs on a smell oily rag. And I've
got a V eight that I enjoy on the weekends.
So on the weekends when I fill up my tank

(44:03):
of gas and I want to go one hundred K,
that's fourteen leaders per one hundred K, or with a
V eight undred octane, so that one hundred color kilometer trip,
pay a lot of tax in that, you know, that's
fourteen times two dollars worth of tax. That's twenty eight
dollars just to just to drive one hundred K. If
I do the same thing, in little my little daughter's
Auzuki Swift. She's six leaders for one hundred k the

(44:26):
little Zuki Swift, so that that trip costs me a
lot less.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
So if you if you take climate concerns out of
the equation, you're traveling the same distance on the roads,
but paying a lot more due to the cost of fuel.

Speaker 7 (44:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (44:41):
Absolutely, and I don't think any ki we would object
to only paying, as you say, seventy cents per liter
at the pump. That sounds fantastic. And to your point
earlier around people that have multi vehicle families, it actually
encourages us to keep our vehicles tuned. It encourages us

(45:01):
to actually have more fuel efficient vehicles. But when you
hear from you over the minister saying, oh, the rich
can afford more fuel efficient vehicles, hang on a second,
A million to McLaren, that's a V twelve. How much
does that cost for it to do one hundred cage?

Speaker 17 (45:19):
Guys, you will put the foot down and that's what
twenty thirty leaders of fuel that consumes currently at the moment.

Speaker 16 (45:30):
You know, the guys with the big with the big
engines are paying the big amount of tax, but they're
still using the vet the road the same, and I'd
really like to see road user charges for everyone. That's fair.
The bragging that goes on at the electric vehicles about
how they don't have to pay road user charges but
they still use the road. And then you guys had

(45:51):
an article a couple of weeks ago about we've got
over two hundred thousand potholes that we can't afford to
fix our roads at the moment, they are atrocious and
the roads are currently being theft. The theft that's going
on on the road cones from from all the road
user charges. So it's a complex issue. And I know
that you've got a good point around privacy and how

(46:13):
we actually let that, but road user charges we've been
doing that for decades with with diesel, and you guys
have got to get out of your metro Jeff for
opinions around toll charges. Guys, how many toll roads are
there in this country?

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Four?

Speaker 3 (46:28):
I believe, is that right? So you've got four three
in one entitlement.

Speaker 16 (46:32):
Yeah, there you go, three in Awkland, So it's an
Auckland problem for the rest of the country. Yeah, good
good on you guys.

Speaker 18 (46:39):
Condition.

Speaker 16 (46:41):
Yeah, the same question. Guys are congestion. You know, we're
looking at you. You're looking at a universal, universally fear
system respect of how they collect. That will result in
us improving our roads, making them safe, for getting rid
of the potholes, putting in right things. This could potentially
save lives and it would mean less for most Kiwi

(47:05):
families at the pump?

Speaker 4 (47:06):
What do you say?

Speaker 2 (47:06):
What do you say about? That's though? Mark is there's
a bunch of texts coming through here that says, you know,
around your V eight, doesn't anyone understand the urgent need
to reduce emissions?

Speaker 16 (47:19):
My V eight's got a dual Cadillac converter that is
very clean. It's not spitting out hard and not spitting
out hard containments. I use high octane, which is very lean.
I would sit my V eight next to any of
your untuned piece of shit diesels. Mate, you know, and
you you idling, you'd use more, you'd use more carbon

(47:39):
than I do on one hundred one hundred K trips.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
So what is your vight? Mate?

Speaker 18 (47:44):
Sorry?

Speaker 16 (47:44):
What is your v It's a old mate's she's a
red line SSV twenty fourteen six letter beautiful thing, love, beautiful.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Thing sounds like we are your children, mate, Oh.

Speaker 16 (47:58):
It is, it's one of the family. I taught my
daughter to drive it. An insurance company thought that was
a great, great laugh. You want to ensure your sixteen
year old daughter to learn how to drive. She will
respect the road. And she's got some power on that pedal.
And the first thing she did was said in it
and we're in the car park. She put the four
down with a put down with the traction control off, stopped,

(48:19):
burst into tears. That's how you learn respect on the road.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Ye, yes, ye, So you're begetting what twelve leaders are
per hundred k economy?

Speaker 16 (48:30):
Well, if you if you drive, if you drive sensibly,
and you can get twelve to fourteen leaders for one
hundred k on the on the V eight, the hybrid
I do one hundred, I do one hundred k, and
the high rid will do about four or five leaders
for one one hundred k. The little Zuzuki Swift gets
about six or seven leaders per one hundred k. So

(48:51):
any Kiwi family can look at that and go, right,
seventy cents a liter, what does that one hundred kilometer
trip actually cost us?

Speaker 7 (48:58):
Right?

Speaker 16 (48:59):
And then you take a look at how much we're
currently paying in tax on that one hundred kilometer trip,
and then compare that to what the proposed new systems
to see whether, as you said earlier, the trojan horse
of the government introducing a tax increase, because of course
the National government doesn't increase taxes, We just increase them elsewhere.

(49:21):
So you know, what is the true story that's being
told here? And my question to the government is in
twenty twenty five, one hundred kilometer for most Kiwi families,
is this amount of tax under your new system? Oce
Kiwe families? How much tax is it?

Speaker 4 (49:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Well, thank you so much for your call, mark good questions.
So this is what you know, this is, this is
the idea of it. So Chris Bishop said, it's a
move to all vehicles paying rucks comes as the relationship
between petrol consumption and roads uses is a fast breaking down.
For example, petrol vehicles with better fuel economy contribute less
feed per kilometer towards road maintenance operations and improvements. Yeah,

(50:02):
that's the idea, But I mean National in the past
has of course increased taxes. Absolutely, yes, d jumped up
the fifteen, didn't it? Very true to John Key?

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Yeah, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call at seventeen past two.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk. Said the.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
Very good afternoon to you. It's twenty past two. We're
talking about the ruck system that the government wants to
bring in in two years time.

Speaker 19 (50:30):
Now.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
I mentioned before the toll roads, and I got that wrong.
I said there was four toll roads.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
There's not. There are three.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
There is one in Auckland, two in totong A, and
a fourth one is set to open in twenty twenty
six that will connect State Highway one to the Funga
padowa peninsula north of Auckland. So there will be four
from next year. But just to clarify that, and a
lot of people are texting through saying EV's don't have
to pay road user charges.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
That is wrong.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
That was brought in in April last year. So pure
evs have to pay the same as diesel that is
seventy six dollars per one thousand kilometers and for me
a PHGV we pay thirty eight bucks.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
The six there's you muppets need to get out more.
There are two toll roads in Totong here. That's why
Tyler is making that clear. We meet you, muppet. I
never said that. I never said that. There we go.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
You're good to correct things on the show, and that
is done. Eighteen eighty the number to call.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
B Welcome to the show. How are you very good?
Thanks for calling your thoughts.

Speaker 20 (51:24):
Yes, now I can give my opinion from both sides.
To run a personal car is a hybrid. My work
car is a hybrid too. It's luxe and and his
little cronies and I call them cronies, bringles in. Then

(51:47):
that will have an effect on us support workers. I mean,
it really doesn't affect me, as I said, because I've
got a work car, but for my colleagues and there
who use their car to travel from home to home,
supporting the people that they need to be.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
But they're already paying. They're already paying with the fuel
excise tax, so there already, so this this won't necessarily
be any more cost you any more for driving around. Well,
the fuel so right now, right now, what you do
is you pay fuel excised duty at the pump, right

(52:27):
and that's about seventy cents per liter of petrol. So
I think the idea is that that seventy cents, and
they may well may well end up being more, who
knows how it lend out, but that that won't be paid.
So you won't be paying the full ex the fuel
excise duty at the pump, but you will be in
some way tracked, so you pay per kilometer that you travel.

(52:48):
So there's a good chance that these people that you're
talking about, the support workers, will end up paying the same.

Speaker 20 (52:54):
But then is it fair that they pay that when
they are doing their job? I mean, if it was
for personal use, I can understand that. But where we I.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Mean again, I guess, I guess, I guess B sorry
that that's that you could argue that absolutely right now
with the fuel exis tax, with the full fuel exis
duty as well, if people are driving around helping people,
then yes, I mean, it does seem a bit harsh
that they're paying seventy cents per leader to do.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
I mean, thank you so much for your call. Be
I just did a quick calculation. So the average and
this is according to Google, but the average cost for
driving one k in petro is sixteen cents and to
do the calculations for the road to use a charger
based on what it is now seventy six dollars per
one thousand, k seven cents. So arguably, if you're a
regular user, you are going to be saving money with

(53:45):
the road user charge.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Right, Okay, So I mean for people like B.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
I think arguably B, the road user charge might actually
work out better for you because you're already paying a
lot in the few week size tax yea stands.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Yes, so you're paying well currently you're paying twenty eight
dollars for an exos tax for a forty meter tank. Yeah,
which is a lot of money.

Speaker 17 (54:06):
Right.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
of cour all got to take a break. It is
twenty four past two.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Matd Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on News Talk.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
ZB afternoon twenty six past two. Gary, you reckon it
is crazy stuff.

Speaker 21 (54:26):
Yes, I think it's all just a load of nonsense mate,
like GST. You know they put it in a ten
percent went up to fifteen. I think it's just making
more revenue for the government. About this whole I used
to own it as a vehicle, which I paid more
money to run that thing than the petrol one that
I've got now. So I think they should just stick
with what we've got and increase that the excise tax

(54:47):
on petrol at the pump.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
But what about the the hybrids and the low the
high fuel efficiency cars are doing the same amount of
damage to the road but not paying as much.

Speaker 21 (54:59):
Yeah, I do see your point. I hadn't really thought
about that, but I just tend to think it was
better to stick with what we've got. But that's just
my opinion. I don't want to be monitored buy some
strepment government doing what I'm doing and knowing what I'm doing,
and I think we just need to stop the sin
it's tracks. But that's just my opinion.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
A lot of people would agree with that, Gary, Thank
you very much. Thank you all right?

Speaker 3 (55:20):
You go well, Gary, Leon you've got a PAGV, Yeah,
I have.

Speaker 22 (55:27):
We've got a plug in hybrid. I got this before
the government change to the to the tank system. And
the thing is, I don't do really short trips, so
I do use the hybrid side of it, but I
also do a lot of other kilometers, so I do
about thirty thousand k's a year, and I pay on

(55:50):
average about three hundred and fifty dollars a month in
fuel on top of my road user charges. So when
I look at this, I think that's a much fairer
system for the plug in hybrids, because, to be fair,
the amount of case that I'm doing in this car,
I'm probably paying more than my fair share of road
us charges.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
Yeah, I'd agree with that, Leon, because I'd be on
the other side that I've got a PHGV and I
pay my thirty eight bucks ruck system, but I use
mostly electric and i don't use too much petrol, so
I'm getting a pretty sweet deal there, and You're getting
the worse deal. So that's not fair on both both sides.

Speaker 23 (56:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (56:24):
And my wife has a Rare four which is a
non plug in hybrid, and she gets pretty much the
same kilometer to petrol ratio that I do in my
smushy Outlander, but she doesn't play the rug charges. You know,
it's to be fair at the company cash of it.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
But.

Speaker 22 (56:46):
If you work it out, I would say if I
sold this in the current system, I wouldn't buy another
plug in hybrid.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Yeah, Leon, you make some good points. Thank you very much.
A couple of texts to wrap this up.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Yeah, let's see what we got here. So many coming through.
Oh my goodness. I'm all for the new ruck system.
I averaged fifty to seventy komedies a week. My moas
aren't too bad. Try big water blaster twenty leaders is
not uncommon on a job five k's away. I'm keen
yere's simon.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Yeah nice. Yeah, a lot of people be happy with
the old lawnmower. It's not going to be paying a
few weeks sized text.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Hi, guys. I think a lot of the charges to
do with making it more complex to have a personal vehicle.
There is a certain amount of administrative work involved in
keeping track of and making sure that you have a
road user charge in place. I think this is just
another method of trying to get people out of private
cars and onto public transport. Unfortunately, public transport is completely
rooted and it doesn't help. Know that he has said that,

(57:40):
chrispas it was very very clear, very clear, and I'll
quote him here. Oh quote he says, here we go.
We're not going to shift millions of drivers from a
simple system at the pump to queues at retailers. So
the idea is that this is some kind of subscription model.
Well as easy, he says, as easy as paying a

(58:01):
Netflix subs Netflix subscription. Yeah, so it's they're not going
to put a system in. It's going to be high
administrative exactly.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
So thank you very much to all your calls and
takes on that. There's a lot of weight and see, yeah,
I think.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
That that ruck for all is the best option over
the the fuel excise tax. But don't put a device
in my car that tracks my speed where I am.
That's just that's my prereck, you know. Don't use it
for social engineering purposes like congestion charges. Don't make it
capable ever in the in the future, even capable of

(58:36):
pringing people for infringements. And don't share my personal movements
with private companies or other government departments. And I'm so
rucks were all fair anything more than that, and get
your e ruc out of my car. Yep, no, that's
fair enough.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
I for one would like to see where you go
on a daily basis, though, I'd like to see that
information become public. Yeah, just yours, nobody else's.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Well, my partner tracks me on find my phone, so
she knows where I go. Talk to Tracy here and
back here and back.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
Here, and good discussion. Thank you very much. We've got
headlines coming up with Windy. It is twenty nine to three.

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Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Thank you very much, Wendy. It is twenty six to three.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Let's put e rucks behind us and move on to
something equally important. Yeah, this is a big one. Dog leavings,
dog leavings on walks, So I want to hear your
thoughts on this. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty or nine
two nine two, Okay. So this morning, took my dog
Colin for a walk with my lovely partner Tracy. Happy

(01:00:51):
birthday to Tracy Diddy birthday. Took him for a walk
and through an administrative era, we only took two bags foolish,
two poop bags yep, and Colin did three poops and
the third one, as the dogs want to do, was
he ran off and by the time we saw him,

(01:01:12):
because we didn't have him on the leash, by the
time he saw him, he was in that special arched
back position laying his dog egg in the middle of
a person's front lawn. There's no stopping up by me.
There wasn't a fence. It was a person with a
lawn without a fence in front. So you know, he
didn't know who he was on a berm. He wasn't
committing some kind of intentionally committing some crime and invading
someone's property. He didn't know he was trespassing. He's a

(01:01:34):
good boy. Yeah, he's generally a good boy. But so
we've got the third leaving and we're out of bags.
So I'm like, I can't leave this here because it's
on someone's lawn. So I look around and I find
an envelope or an envelope, not in someone's let you say,
envelope or envelope, envelope, envelope. Yeah, so it's an envelope.

(01:01:56):
And that's about fifty meters down the road. And I
go back and I pick up the leaving off the lawn.
So I guess now I'm trespassing, but I think the
owner of the property would prefer that I trespassed to
remove the leaving then leave it there. Very true. And
so then I'm walking down the road with this dog
leaving in a white envelope, absolutely disgusting. And we are

(01:02:21):
walking further down the road and we come across a
wheelbin and I'm like, good now, I can you know
because I'm walking out of the roga. What's happened to humanity?
What's happened to us as a species? I'm carrying around
this dog turd and an envelope with my little fingers
yep down the road. It's shameful, absolutely shameful. Colin doesn't care.
He's off Weingo, He's like, leave it behind. As far

(01:02:42):
as Colin's concerned, he's probably looking back going, don't I
got rid of that.

Speaker 6 (01:02:46):
I got rid of that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Don't bring it with don't bring it with us? What
are you doing?

Speaker 9 (01:02:50):
Man?

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
I got rid of that on purpose anyway. So we
come across a wheeli bin and I go to put
it in the wheelbin and Tracy goes, you can't put
it in there, and I say why, and she goes, well,
maybe if the trucks hadn't been just around, But you
can't put it in a fresh, empty wheelibin, it can't
be the first thing at the bottom of a wheelibin
one hundred percent. So I didn't know that wrong. There's

(01:03:12):
a twenty four hour window. Yeah, so potentially it's better
if the wheelibin's out and it's about to be taken away.
But yeah, if someone goes to bring their wheelbin in
after the remembers had been removed and they over look
it down and there's this envelope with this crime sitting
in it, then that's going to ruin their day. So
I kind of get that, yep. So I go, okay, okay,
well I'll walk another half calimeter with us thing and

(01:03:33):
then I and then I get to a rubbish one.
I sit in the distance and I go to put
in the rubbish bin, and then Tracy says, no, you
can't put it in there because that's in front of
a dairy and you can't be dropping this disgusting mess
in a place where people go and buy food and
these people are trying to run a business. That's where
I disagree, right, And so then I carry that down,
still tottering down the road with the DISTI so you

(01:03:54):
didn't put it in that one, nor little envelope. I
got shamed. And maybe it was because her birth It
was her birthday today, so I'm letting her, you know,
run the whole operation. Okay there, So finally find a
rubbish binn on the side of the road that's not
surrounded by everything. I put it in there and got
the seal of approval of Tracy. So it got me thinking,
what are the rules? What other rules around dog leavings?

(01:04:16):
Not the laws, not what the government says. What as
a people, as a society, do we think is the
basics for dealing with leavings on dogwalks? Because you just
looked it up in the Auckland City Council rules and
what does it say, precisely please tailor.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
So this is under the Dog Management policy. So here
it is in its entirety dog feces when in a
public place or premise. Dog owners must ensure the immediate
removal and disposal of their dog's feces. This must be
done in a way that that does not cause a nuisance.
You might have fallen foul of that one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
We're just walking down the street holding a little envelope. Yeah,
definitely that's a mess on you since open envelope. It
even had one of those bill windows in it, so
even if people couldn't see the little bit sticking out,
they could look through the little window and see the
disgusting colin leaving us caring.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
Yep, so the subclause does not apply to a premise
occupied by the owner's Subclause number two does not apply
to any working dog accompanying and assisting a person, or
accompanying a person engaged in dog training.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
So working dog way, you're not going to pang a
blind person because the guide dog is laid a dog's
egg on the paper name, someone's got to pack it up. Well,
you got what You've got to find a blind person.
They wouldn't have even seen it. Well, they could smell it.
You're a heartless man.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Oh e one hundred eighty ten eighties, you've heard the story.
I think there's a lot of caveats here, but this
is going to be interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Okay, So there's a three hundred dollar fine, but it
doesn't say specifically, what if it's under a hedge? Yeah,
it doesn't specify what if it's under a tree? You know,
what if it's out of the way, What if it
was in the gutter? Yeah, you know, and the long
grass that no kids are going to run into, and
we're you allowed to put them? Are the rules around
the wheelie bins? Is it okay, in front of a
dairy ll Let's get to the bottom. Let's get together
the final rules for dog leavings on a dog walk.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
Okay, all right, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
what are the official rules for picking up dog feces?

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Love to hear from you. It is twenty to three.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends
and everything in between.

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
Matt Heath and Tayler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
They'd be very good afternoon. So we're talking about the
unretferened rules of dog leavings. Matt had a bit of
a confusing situation this morning on one hundred and eighty
ten eighties.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
Number to call the sex is multiple issues with your story, mate, One,
Why the heck are you calling it dog leavings. That's
a good point, it's polite. Well, we did this story
about five months ago on horse turds, and it was
the official A bunch of people texted in and said,
can you please call them leavings because people were finding
the word turds offensive. Yeah, and I don't want to

(01:06:45):
say poohs, So yeah, let's stick with leavings. I sound
like when I say poos, I sound like a little
baby dog poose. So I went, I went for leavings. Yeah,
but that doesn't work for some people, so you know,
i'd he'd like to hear your thoughts on nine two
and nine two on that joined the dog turds, feces,
leavings pooh poose. So why are you having your dog
off a leash on the street. Let's normalized leashes and

(01:07:07):
open areas now calling off off the leash. He's pretty
good and uncor good. Yeah, no, he's a good boy.
He doesn't cause any problems off a leash, and it's
not like he's a I mean he's tiny. Take more bags,
take a roll of bags and take used one's homes
to put in your bin. Yes, I own a dog,
and i'd always follow this. Yeah, I mean I always
take more bags, but I keep the little bags from
the little doggie shaped bag holder and I just hadn't

(01:07:28):
noticed that we'd pulled them all out. But I'm normally
very good at that. But you shouldn't be safe with
two Thank you for your text, Rose, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 15 (01:07:37):
I'm going to be a little bit strict on you logs,
and whenever I go anywhere, particularly where there's other people's properties,
are always on a lead because you don't know what
are the dogs who kind of come out from properties
and scare them, and they could run off in any direction,
or there could be an altercation. And if you're not
responsible enough to have enough pooh bags to cover the

(01:08:00):
distance you're walking distance, well then you just have to
suck it up and hold on to the poo and
the envelope until you get hardest.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
You tell them, rose On.

Speaker 15 (01:08:09):
Everybody will have different degrees of the rules. And the
rule is you pick up the pooh and you dispose
of it when you get home or wherever. And then
otherwise someone else will come along and they'll have a
little excuse or a big excuse. And really we need
to keep we need to be able to still walk
our dogs around the neighborhood. And so we have to

(01:08:31):
respect the neighbors and their dogs. A lot of their
dogs may not even be on leashes, but they might
be in their property and they could rush out and
scare your dog.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Okay, so we'll put a pin in that issue. Rose
So you think that you should always take your bags, obviously,
you know I always intend to take a full amount
of bags. It was just an oversight. But if I
end up carrying in an envelope, I should take that
all the way home, So I should not put it
in a wheely bin of someone else's. I shouldn't put
it in a public rubbishman, I should I should carry
that all the way home to my own.

Speaker 15 (01:09:02):
Some of the rubbisans you don't know when they're going
to be cleaned or clear stinky rubbisins to clean up.
You know, you've got the responsibility of having a dog
and making sure that you've got enough. Two bags and
there's a whole role that you can carry in you're
little we hand, and a lot of the leads which
you should have had a lead anyway, even if it's

(01:09:22):
in your pocket.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
No, no, Rose, I had a lead, and I had
a lead, and it had it's got a little bone
shaped container that's normally full of these Pooh bags. Just
just an oversight on this one occasion. We hadn't noticed
that we pulled them all out on the last work,
so we had two and we needed three.

Speaker 15 (01:09:39):
You'll make sure that there isn't look.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Rose, I can guarantee you we've already we've already put
a new roller in there. There's a new Rose.

Speaker 15 (01:09:47):
After carryility is a carriers home.

Speaker 14 (01:09:52):
In the wrong.

Speaker 15 (01:09:53):
Otherwise everyone will have a degree of.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
An excuse excuses from Rose. Can I just ask, because
there's a bit of information missing from the story, what
happened to the other two poos?

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
So you know we had them up? No, we had
two bags here, right?

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
So you were carrying the two bags that were already
tied up.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
No, no, no, no no. So where did they get disposed?
I put them in public rubagehmins? So why was that
public rubbishpin? Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
But the one outside, Oh, because it was outside the
dairy and there was the food equation.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Yeah, and also they the it looks like everyone's fine
with poo bag. I feel silly for calling them leavings.
But anyway, the pooh bag was tied up, yeah, right, Okay,
so you've tied a lot of not in it. Yeah,
So it's not unlike the smeared all through the inside
of an invalope situation.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
We've got plenty of calls coming through. If you can't
get through, keep trying. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. There's been a few
suggestions on what we call could call them actually doggy dumplings.
Oh yep, that's not bad. A dog deposit, Oh yep.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Do you like that one? Doggie doo doo? Yeah, doggie
do Yeah, dog deposit quite like dog dirt. Caddy, Welcome
to the show.

Speaker 24 (01:11:03):
Hello, how are you guys?

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
Very good? Thanks for calling your thoughts on this key
issue for Kiwi's Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:11:08):
Yeah, well I think Rose pretty much said it all.
But I have a I have a little pouch. It's
called from a company called Arctic Semi And when I
take my little mister lay out for a book.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
It comes Are you a trailer pip Boys fan? Yeah,
it's not a big drinker. No, that might be the
best name I've ever heard for a dog.

Speaker 24 (01:11:35):
We were going to get We're going to get to
and called and Corey and Trevor, but the budget was
quite stretched.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
So mister lay I love that.

Speaker 24 (01:11:43):
Yeah, so Arctic. They're a little treat bag. It comes
with a whether. It's a little like a thing you
put round your waist and it's got a zippy bit
in the front for your poop bags. And then you
can also get the add on poop loop, which I
put around that around the around the waistband. The poop loop.

(01:12:04):
It's just a little bit of rubber in it and
it holds the poop bags. And so you've got hands free.
You've got hands three poopbags, right, so you can enjoy
your walk while Yeah, well your poop's just like attached
to your waist.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Game changer.

Speaker 7 (01:12:19):
Great?

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
Is it a positive having poop attached to your waist?

Speaker 24 (01:12:25):
And one time when I've got my coach on, it
can get a bit smelly was up up the inside.
But well you from there it's great.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Okay, So so you're you're like Rose. You say that
you go out, you not only pick them up, but
you take them home and you deposit them in your
own in your own facilities.

Speaker 24 (01:12:45):
Yeah, well there's a pack where I walk mister Leahy
and I usually poppa poppa and there if he's done
his business by the time we leave, so apart from there, yeah,
take it home and your dog your responsibility.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Has he got a has he got a shirtless mister?
Has he got a shirtless? Randy the hangs out.

Speaker 24 (01:13:02):
With no, no, no, he's got he's got the mad bessets.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
You're brilliant. Well, thank you so much for your call.
Appreciate that, so wrap it around your waist with a
special poop loop. Yeah, O eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to.

Speaker 23 (01:13:19):
Call, Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Do not ever put dog poo in the wheely bin
of a private dwelling. That is disgusting. The property owners
have to store that bin on their private property and
chances are they do not have a dog. Putting in
a public bin is okay because they aligned and emptied
off and nailed it. Thank you, Paula. Yeah, well done.
But what if it's all wrapped up in the poop
bag only I and yeah, yeah it's out.

Speaker 4 (01:13:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
I agree with Tracy on you don't. Can't drop a
poopy envelope and then someone's bin when they're about to
wheel it back in. Yeah, but I'm talking about it's
out to be picked up. So the next person that's
going to deal with it is the refuse transit transfer station.

Speaker 4 (01:13:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Yeah, I'm one hundred percent behind there, because it's not
you're not making it a problem of the owner, it's
a problem with the council.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
I think we all agree that dropping a leaving a
dog dumpling straight into a WHEELI bin before the person
wheels it back into their house or my case, an
envelope smeared and doggie dirt is not a good thing
to do. Nothing, Yeah, not on.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
All right, right, we got bloody your calls to get
to but oh one hundred and eighty ten eighties and
number to call nine two three.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons News
Talk Zby's.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Seven to three. There's some great texts coming through, that's right.
We're trying to get together the definitive list of rules
around dog poop and bags? Does anyone use a pooper? Scooper? Still,
there was to be a thing that's that's that seems
like a disgusting way to deal with it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
It's kind of hard to carry around as well. Do
you put that on your poop loop?

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
Yes, hang it off your waist like a like a taser.
Walking at Middlewi. Someone had been kind enough to pick
up the dog poop and put it in a plastic
bag then throw it into the bush. Oh my god,
regards Baden. Yeah, I see that a bit, and someone
else is here, Hey, good yarn. What gets me is
walking along Central Otago rail trail and you see poop
bags left on the side of the tra don't put

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it in the bag, leave it in the compost naturally.

Speaker 19 (01:15:11):
Cheers.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
Yeah, I mean if you're going to behind that. I
see that a lot. Yeah. Just people that are dumping
the bags on the side of the It's like, what
are you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
So they start off doing a good thing, and then
they hit the bag into the book. You make it
even worse.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
You're a very strange person if you do that. Steven,
Welcome to the show. Your thoughts on the unwritten rules
of dog leavings.

Speaker 25 (01:15:33):
Yeah, killed a Fellow's a great topic. And yeah, as
a dog owner two dogs, yeah, it's a look an
unspoken rules. And as you walk outside the mailbox the
dog does number twos. Yeah, just it's your duty to
pick it up dumping it. Yeah, I think you know.
The the rubber sprind is okay if it's going to

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get collected, not okay if it's just been collected, you know,
if it's empty. But I put it in a public bin,
but not one outside if it's not outside of shop
or or school or something.

Speaker 22 (01:16:04):
But if it's out of park.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
So yeah, So that's that's that's a new that's a
new rule that Tracy told me today, Steven, So I
didn't know that rule, but I can see the sense
in that. Dropping it at a bin outside of deer is
not cool. It's just going to stink there all day
and make it horrible for people eating. Kids might come
out trying in ice cream. Sitting on the outside the
dairy in stinks. That's not right, is it?

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
No?

Speaker 25 (01:16:26):
No, no, but yeah, but yeah, but at a public ben, yep,
that's okay. I mean you're paying off rates anyway, so
you mustle maximize the the services.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
That's exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
But with the with the ben outside of the dairy,
I mean, isn't My rule always is if it's chocate
block and I've got to put the weed dog poo
ride on the top, then that's a no no, that's
bad behavior. But if it's half empty, I'll chuck it
in because then there'll be some more rubbish that goes
over top blocks the disgusting mess, and everybody's happy.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
Then it's the council's problem.

Speaker 25 (01:16:55):
Well, I guess if it's not in the in the envelope,
I suppose and send me open.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
Yeah, the envelope. Yeah, the envelope added a level of
complexity to to the dog poop situation for me this morning, Stephen,
that's for sure.

Speaker 25 (01:17:08):
Well it sounds like you need the It was like
Batman's utility belt that you can clip on the onto
the side where you're walking the dog.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
So yeah, there's so many dog related inventions. The Pope
loop is great, Steven, you're a good man. Thank you
very much for giving us a buzz.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
We're going to carry this on because the phone lines
of chocol block and there's so many texts coming through,
so can you hear from you? Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty the unwritten rules for picking up your
dog leavings. Really can to have check with you. Oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Yeah, this is really fired people. It certainly heirs. This
is the big issue. Nineteen ninety two is the text number.

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
It is three minutes to three New Sport and where
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Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
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Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
As always, your new home are insightle and entertaining talk.
It's Mattie and Taylor Adams Afternoons on news Talk Sabby Afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Welcome back.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
Just before we get back to the topic at a hand,
the reminder Gareth abdenall employment little specialist. He is back
with us in about twenty five minutes. Have you got
a question related to your work or you're the boss
and you've got a problem with your employee. I eight
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Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
That's in twenty five minutes, but for the next half
hour was still talking about this very hot topic around
the rules on dog excrement out on that street picking
them up in the bags? What are the rules this morning?
As I said before, I only took two bags out
accidentally when I was walking my dog with my partner
Tracy Happy birthday. It's a birthday today and ran out

(01:18:44):
of bags. Colin did an extra leaving on someone's yards,
so I had to hunt around the streets, found an envelope,
picked it up and then was carrying it home and
was told I couldn't put it in an empty WHEELI bin, yep,
because you know someone doesn't want to wheel that. And
I couldn't put it in a rubbish bin in front of
a dairy, so I had to carry it home and
my little fingers until actually we found a rubbish bin

(01:19:07):
on the way home that was nowhere in that okay
to put it in. But a lot of people are
pointing out, do you think that Tracy was playing a
practical joke on you? And she was making all these
rules when you were walking home carrying this dog dog
dumpling in a filthy little envelope and you're carrying it
with your two fingers, and so she just kept up
making up rules all the way home to make you
carry it home. One hundred percent that's what she did.

(01:19:28):
Interestingly enough, we got a this This message came through
from a dog enjoying this chat.

Speaker 4 (01:19:37):
No afternoons.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
To eleven two three. Oh is that Colin. That's not Colin,
that's a listener. As I said, a listener sent that
through their dog listening to her chat.

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
I absolutely loved it. Had a lot to say about.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
This, either loving it or hating it. I had to say, Jimmy,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (01:20:01):
Oh thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (01:20:03):
Guys.

Speaker 6 (01:20:03):
Look, look, I'd like to think that I'm a responsible
dog owner, which I think I I am, and so
are you two guys. At least we're not talking about
the pimple on the nose, which is good's gone gone down. Yeah,
thank God for that for the poor bugge. But listen, look,
I look in my driveway. I've got me bins right,

(01:20:27):
and I often see one or two people drop one
in the red bin, but I don't see that.

Speaker 4 (01:20:33):
I don't mind.

Speaker 6 (01:20:34):
Honestly, It's better than dropping it somewhere else. But I
had an incident about three years ago, and my little one,
Lily had the runs, you know, and there was two
people across.

Speaker 4 (01:20:49):
The road and.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
Lily a dog or a child.

Speaker 6 (01:20:55):
No, it's little Lily, she's a shitsu mulcheese mate. Yeah,
and look the incident was like, you know, I couldn't
pick it up.

Speaker 4 (01:21:07):
It was running, mate.

Speaker 6 (01:21:08):
And this guy was on the fleet opposite side, right
renting and raven quite a big chat, you know, and
I said, oh, and I said to him, I said,
I can't take it up, mate, And I tried, and
he started to advance on me, and I thought, oh
Jesus Merian Joseph. But yeah, and look my little dog

(01:21:29):
stood behind me, petrified because you know they're only small.
And I said, don't advance anymore. Pell, I said, you're
frightening my little dog. And you know what, for a
split second, I wanted to hurt that bugger mate so
bad ah, because my dog was whimpering and it frightened me.

Speaker 18 (01:21:53):
But I wasn't frightened. I was frightened I was going
to hurt him.

Speaker 6 (01:21:57):
And he said to me, he said, listen. Oh he
came out with the most vulgar language. And I thought,
I said.

Speaker 4 (01:22:06):
Do not advance anymore.

Speaker 6 (01:22:08):
And you know what, in my heart of heart, I
backed off. I walked away and he was still screaming
at me. But little did he know what I was
capable of doing, mate, And I was so proud, And
it still upsets me today.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
We can go on Jimmy for keeping your emotions and
checked there. Things could have got worse. But we've all
been there. And look, there's no doubt that some people
get very heated about a dog, a dog leaving was
it a barker's egg as they call them in the
in the UK, But leaving a barker's egg, not not

(01:22:46):
not picking picking it up. But it's definitely not worth
like a full on best fight on the street over,
is it. But dog owners, we've all experienced that your
dog sometimes he's leaving something. She's leaving something you don't
pick up. Yeah, exactly. And sometimes when it's at dusk
or dawn it's a bit dark, you notice that your

(01:23:06):
dog's gone, and you try and find it, you can't
find it. And sometimes you just have to pretend you're
picking something up and move on. Yep, we've all been there.
We've all been there.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
It's about the attempt. As long as your attempt. Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Plenty of calls to get to it is twelve to
three used talk zibby fourteen past three.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
And look, I must say, just in case my dog
Collin's listening, because he'll hear me talking about him. You're
a good Boycollin, because sometimes I leave the radio at home,
so you got to say you're a good boy. What
a good boy, Collin? He's a good boy. He did
nothing wrong in the scenario.

Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
Where's the cats get the where's the gats get the
get the get get up the cats?

Speaker 4 (01:23:42):
Von.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
Welcome to the show your thoughts?

Speaker 22 (01:23:45):
Why why take the dog for a walk.

Speaker 26 (01:23:50):
With a tennis ball and throw the tennis ball and
feature my mother men Shoeks sixteen dogs.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
That way really, So what you don't think people should
be taking their dogs for a walk around the streets.

Speaker 26 (01:24:02):
No, I don't because my vet that I used some
years for many years he always argued that the domestic
animals around are the ones that carry the disease. Dog
urinates on the grass, Your dog walks through it, and
it's sick. It takes glits home with it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
But walking dogs is one of the great pleasures in
life and it and it's a fantastic way to meet people.
When you're walking your dog, you stop and you talk
about what kinds of that dog that? And if you
like me and you love dogs, you're seeing other dogs
around makes you so happy. You're like, oh, what a
good boy, what a good girl. It brings so much
joy to the world of my life.

Speaker 26 (01:24:41):
I've owned dogs all my life, but I never take
the walk to property to exerciety.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
Wow, that's an extreme view. I never thought we'd get
the view of.

Speaker 3 (01:24:50):
Just just leave them in the back yard, throw a
tennis ball around.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
Now, don't walk dogs at all, no choice. Walk your dogs,
get out there. It's good for your health. Standing on
your doorstep and just throwing a tennis ball. I mean
that might might be good for the dog, might not be,
but it's not good for you. Walking a dog is great,
great for you. Also a dog getting out and sniffing
all the different things. It's says, you know how much

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a dog loves to go out, So when you've got
your dog out and you're walking the streets, that is
that is the best time of their whole day. And
the joy they get from going out in the streets
brings joy to you, brings joy to the world.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
Nicely said, you can't keep them trapped in your backyard.
I think you have one though. One hundred and eighty
ten eighty is number to go gray.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
You even picked up other people's dog poos.

Speaker 18 (01:25:35):
Yeah, well, I guess it's it's something we've always done,
Like my mum's done it since we were kids, so
we've always done.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
It good people.

Speaker 4 (01:25:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:25:45):
I just kind of figured, like occasionally the somebody gets
caught out without a bag. Yeah, I look on the
bright side, like somebody probably didn't intentionally let their dog
do that. They got caught out without a bag, and
it's like, well, I want to be able to keep
on walking the dogs on the beach and yeah, so yeah,
if every dog owner out there is walking their dogs
and just picked up another one. Well, it's not doing

(01:26:06):
any harm of it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
Yeah, and that some people miss sometimes miss that their
dog's gone, and you know, and then and then that's
then some poor person, some kids walking to school and
they standard in it or something or something. So you're
a very good person, Craig, and so some of us.

Speaker 18 (01:26:22):
Yeah, I just I don't think it's really that hard
to do. But I listened to eve On there that
that kind of Yeah, it was a bit of a bummer.

Speaker 9 (01:26:29):
Really.

Speaker 18 (01:26:29):
It's like dogs love getting.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
Out, and you speak about walking a dog on the beach,
So I take my dog for a walk on the
Tacpoon or point chiefly, and there is nothing that brings
more joy to me and the other people there then
seeing these dogs meeting each other on you going out
in the fresh air. It's just such a life affirmingly, brilliant,

(01:26:53):
happiness inducing thing.

Speaker 18 (01:26:55):
Craig, totally agree, mate. It's one of those positive things
that we get out of life, you know. Yeah, And
I sorry for those dogs, like she's had sixteen dogs
or something, and I do feel a little bit sorry
for them, because when my dog goes up and sniff
the post with other dogs, read or whatever we just
call that. She's checking your email.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
It's so true. There's so much there. And you know,
I watched Colin doing He's so busy. He thinks he's
doing something important. He's got to do it. He's got
to sniff that, he's got to leave a message. It's
just so incredibly cute. And they know what they're doing.
They're doing something and they it makes their day. And
when it makes their day, it makes your day.

Speaker 18 (01:27:35):
Craig, guys, yeah, I think it's a dog's a.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
Wonderful, absolutely brilliant Thank you, Craig, and good on you
picking up.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
I mean you go through a lot of bags doing there,
but got on them.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
I'm going to become I don't know, but the great
Danes leavings is a bit different from my dog's. Little
ones needs big bags for a great day.

Speaker 13 (01:27:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
I think the big dog owners they deal with a lot.
They deal with a lot. Yeah yeah, But maybe maybe
I'll become a great, great human being like Craig and
start picking up other leavings. Maybe maybe maybe it's a
lot of envelopes. Maybe that's how I'll get into heaven
make up for all the crimes I've permitted. Oh, I
had a hundred. Good luck with that. Oh, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to cool? It

(01:28:14):
is nineteen past three.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on used talk ZEDB.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
Twenty two past three earlier. Tyler, you've besmirched the good
name of the blind community of New Zealand when you
said that they don't pick up their dog leavings. Here's
a text from Carolyn Guys. I am blind. I have
a guide dog and I pick up his poos and
I take it home. So blind people do pick up
their dog poop. Well, good on you, Carolyn for doing that. Yeah,

(01:28:46):
so you want to apologize to the blind people.

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
I'm so sorry to the blind people out there. What
I did say is they could smell it so clearly.
You know she was able to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
Hey buys, Hey buys, What did I say that? So weird?
Hey buys, Hey boys, Hey boys. I met my wife
walking my dog as she walked her dog, being married
thirty two years now, cheers Mark. Soon See that's the
thing you meet people walking dogs? Yeah, every day when
I'm walking Colin, I stop and talk to people about
their dogs and have a little bit of a chat.
It's a beautiful thing. Maybe five or six times on

(01:29:17):
the walk I do, yeah, let them out, let him
out of the beachyard. It's one of the great remaining
ways to to you know, in this in these times
when we were polarized and and and locked away and
with social media and people aren't spending time faith to faith,
a dog is just such a great like icebreaker, yep

(01:29:37):
for talking to people. It is, you know, and it's
one of the one of the just really great things
about having a dog. As you you chat to other
people about their dogs, and if you're a dog lover,
you just see a dog and you just get hugely
excited and and I just think it's a fantastic thing.

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
Great for your mental health. Absolutely, Roseanne, how are you hid?

Speaker 6 (01:29:55):
You?

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
How should tell very well? What's your thoughts?

Speaker 20 (01:30:01):
I had a dog, but sadly he died.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
Oh, sorry to hear that.

Speaker 6 (01:30:06):
And I just thank you.

Speaker 24 (01:30:07):
And I used to walk her under our block.

Speaker 15 (01:30:10):
And I'll pick up his duties, yeah, and just bring
them home and just put them in.

Speaker 27 (01:30:15):
Now, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
Push So you didn't even so, you're you're in the
camp that you you shouldn't put them in public rubbish bins.
You shouldn't put them and wheelie bins that are out
on the street. You should take it home and deal
with it yourself, not other.

Speaker 20 (01:30:30):
People's really bins.

Speaker 28 (01:30:31):
No, I'm unsure about the shops.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
Yeah, well I can. I can get the argument outside
a dairy, but but a public spin And you know,
of course there's the dog shaped green dog shaped poop
bins that are about in some parts. That's a given.
That's a given. Yeah, that's a given. They're very cute.
I mean, well, actually they are horrible. Yea, they stink.
They look cute from a dose stage. You don't want
to hang around those too long. Thank you so much

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for your call, Rosanne.

Speaker 3 (01:30:58):
Yeah, thank you very much. This is quite a full
noise text.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
Yep, geez, wake up. You're talking about a lower life
form here. They don't have emotions. The jury is out
on if they even think. Is there nothing intelligent to
talk about? Tony?

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
Well, Tony, i'd say you are a lower form of intelligence.
How do you besmirch dogs like that? I'm sorry, but
that's not on a dog hater? Yeah, no, I can't
get out of here. Tony dogs are the best of us.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
Dog sniffing is getting the news, absolutely right. I've done
it the other day. Boys, someone left their dog's business
on the footpath outside my house, so I thought i'd
better pick it up in case somebody stands on it.
And that's not a barrel of last to do. They're
good on your pill Yeah that is good. So there
are really good people out there. I'd like to see
you use rubber gloves and catch Colin's poop before it
hits the ground. That make my day. Go to the

(01:31:45):
park seeing twenty three people clubbed up and crushed stop
stile waiting to catch the poop. Yeah, that is great, tigs,
I'll pay good money. Well, there's a few people are
saying that they carry a little garden trowl around. Yeah,
and so where the dog goes they dig a little
hole and bury it. That's okay, well is it? Yeah?
But I mean, I mean it's fine in some spots,

(01:32:06):
but to people want their booms having hundreds of little
holes in them, like little.

Speaker 3 (01:32:10):
Gold gopher holes with bury the good point. Let me clarify,
not on someone's private property, but just in a reserve.
You could take a wee hole and bury it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
The best exercise for a stay at home dog is
keeping the neighbour's cat from crepping in your garden. Okay, okay,
good to know. That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
Yeah, and this one yidday, guys, I'm on the hunt
for an irresponsible dog owner who keeps letting their dog
do their business on my grass boom. It is owned
by the council, but I maintain it. It seems they
know exactly when I am out, and they are not
just small poos, they are occasionally massive. I'm at the
point where I'm about to install cameras outside to snap

(01:32:47):
them in the act.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
Please help me. The tests says, how did the blind
person text in? Did the guide dog do that? As well?
Got cynical people? Yeah, the AI that can help them
Google Translate whilst you can find the dog poothing you.
You know, there's levels of blindness. You can be legally
blind and you can still see a little bit. Yeah, exactly,
it's not it's not. Judge Christine, how are you good?

Speaker 26 (01:33:12):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
What's your thoughts?

Speaker 28 (01:33:14):
I talk about Doc's worthy, good for human medison, good
for the help. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, there's a wordly healthy medison,
nature medison.

Speaker 4 (01:33:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:27):
Agree, getting out and about freshier, seeing some trees, meeting people,
walking the dog. You know, just just the act of
walking is good for you. But getting out of the house.
But dividing d from the from the sky, it's it's brilliant.

Speaker 21 (01:33:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 28 (01:33:40):
Also, if you if you've got under pressure, you've got stretch,
you take the dog for war. You play with the dog,
or your all your straight is gone away.

Speaker 4 (01:33:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 28 (01:33:49):
Make you another thing about the pool. I don't know
why everybody meant above the dog pool. I think it's
a dog pool. It's a nature half an hour they
dry out the wrink and wash it. Good for the
tree and good for the nature.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
Ah. So you so you're in the camp Christine of
just leave it be, leave it where it is, don't
take it home, don't put in a bag, don't put
it in the wheel even, just leave it where it is,
leave it where it be.

Speaker 28 (01:34:14):
No, yeah, you can't point a frustic bag and you're
pointing a flustic back. You're toin a rubbish being. The mean,
it's getting worse for the people. Picked for the people,
cring up, I mean, for the people, clean up the
rubbish they do is a hen or something that the
machine or make its milk because the pool for meat
is a nature.

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):
Yep, let nature do it. That's absolutely true. It isn't
It is nature and it will do its thing. And
when we were when I was growing up, there was
a lot of white dog herds on the street that
you don't see anymore. That's right, But the Auckland councilor
have decided that that's not something you're there to do.
There's a three hundred dollars fine for leaving them out there.
But it is I do sometimes think that in the future,

(01:34:54):
you know, they're going to be you know, an archaeologists
are going to be looking back at our time and
they're just going to find thousands and thousands of dog leavings.
They'll check the DNA and they'll find out the species
wrapped in plastic bags and going to go what were
they up to? What was the weird religious thing that
they had around taking natural leavings of another animal and

(01:35:16):
bagging them up. That is why they didn't make it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:18):
Oh, thank you very much for that discussion, great text,
and really enjoyed those phone calls. Intichs right coming up
We've got Gareth Abdenor in studio taking your calls and questions.
He's a law expert, so if you've got a problem
in your work place, he is the man to chat to.
Oh e one hundred and eighty ten eighties the number
to call.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
So just to finalize, you got to pick up your
dog poost Chris Christine. I get your point that there
are natural but I think you've you've got to pick
them up because someone could stand in them and make
a mess.

Speaker 4 (01:35:43):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
Don't put them in a wheelly bin. No, not an
empty one. Not on an empty wheelly bin.

Speaker 12 (01:35:48):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
Put them in rubbish bins, but not in front of dairies.

Speaker 4 (01:35:51):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:35:51):
Is that the final rules? And if you can take
them home and get a poopl loop, yeah, and get
a poop loop, you a good rules. So we got
there and dogs make the world a better place, beautiful
place to leave it. Twenty nine past three.

Speaker 12 (01:36:04):
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Now back to Masson Tayler.

Speaker 3 (01:37:16):
Thank you very much, Wendy. Gareth abden Or is an
employment workplace in information expert and director of abden Or law.
He joins us once a month as part of our
USK the Expert series to answer listener questions, and he
is back with us now. Gareth, Hello to you, goodday guys.
Great to have your company. As always, the texts and
the questions are coming thick and fast. We'll get straight
into it.

Speaker 9 (01:37:37):
Gareth.

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
Well, let's sleep one here on the topic of dogs,
because we're talking about it. We used to be able
to take our dogs to work. Now we aren't. Can
I ask my work to pay for the kennel? No,
I mean there are no rights on that. Are they
taking your dogs to work?

Speaker 23 (01:37:55):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
Actually this happened at Wellington City Council, didn't it that
they changed the rules about taking dogs to work? That's right?

Speaker 3 (01:38:02):
Yeah, because Torri Farno was taking her little dog in. Yeah,
and people didn't like it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
Yeah, yeah, all right, all right.

Speaker 23 (01:38:08):
It's diffinitely an issue that's polarizing. Yeah. I'd love to
take my dog to work, but I don't think everybody
will be thrilled.

Speaker 3 (01:38:17):
Yeah, Coler would be great in the WE studio. We'll
get them in at some stage. Oh one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call if you've
got a question for Gareth, now is your opportunity and
you better get them fast because it's always popular text
question here Gareth, Hi there, If I'm on a ninety
days trial period, what sort of notice period do I
need to give if I don't want to work for
this employer anymore?

Speaker 23 (01:38:40):
Yeah? That's actually oh yeah, right, that's a brilliant question
because the ninety day trial period really is for the
employer to dismiss the employee. If you're the employee and
you want to resign, then it's the notice period that's
in your contract. So yeah, I wouldn't get too hung

(01:39:03):
up on the ninety day trial period. It's just what
is your notice period?

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
Right?

Speaker 19 (01:39:08):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:39:08):
Yeah, that's an interesting one to turn that around them.
That hurt my mind when I was thinking about that.
My nephew sixteen years old, has been shoulder tapped by
an NRL league club and is engaging with him directly
without the parents being wise to all of the conversations,
even showing him a contract without parents there. What rights
does he have or my brother have towards this? And

(01:39:30):
does he need a manager at the age of sixteen?

Speaker 23 (01:39:34):
I mean, if he's if he's getting courted by major clubs,
they might not be a bad idea to have a manager.
Of course, I'm pretty sure a manager is not going
to do it for free, so that's going to cost him.
But you know, he can get whoever he likes to
help him with that, whether that be his parents or

(01:39:56):
some trusted family member or a manager.

Speaker 2 (01:39:59):
So can you start negotiating with the sixteen year old?

Speaker 4 (01:40:03):
Though?

Speaker 2 (01:40:04):
Can like Canny, anyone start negotiating with a sixteen year old?
Or is there an age where you can start signing contracts?

Speaker 23 (01:40:12):
That's a great question, and it's not something I've ever
had to deal with. As you might expect, they're not
many sixteen year olds engaging me for employment advice because
you know, it's a bit blunt. Generally they can't afford it.
I don't know what the answer to that is.

Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
Yeah, I mean i'd be a little bit suspicious of
any any club that's negotiating with a sixteen year old
without bringing the parents into it.

Speaker 23 (01:40:38):
Yeah, it does sound a little bit dodgy, doesn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:40):
Yeah, it's a unique situation, that's for sure. This is
a good one, Gareth. I'm in a new senior manager
position that I report to, But the manager is hiring
new people over existing staff that deserve promotions and have
been at the organization a long time with more experience
than any new staffer would have. What can be done
about this is I feel it's unfair to give promotions

(01:41:02):
to new starters. By the way, all the new people
are from the same company that the manager came from.

Speaker 2 (01:41:07):
Thanks from Chad.

Speaker 23 (01:41:09):
Wow, what a tricky situation. I guess the caller needs
to be really careful. I like the fact that he's
standing up for these other staff members, but ultimately it's
their issue, not his. He can certainly make representations to
his boss saying I think these people deserve it, but

(01:41:30):
if it's not as cool, it's not as cool. They
could if they feel they being overlooked and treated unfairly,
they can certainly raise a claim, but it would would
be very odd if he raised a claim on their behalf,
and certainly not a situation that I would suggest.

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
Yeah right, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Gareth is standing by to take your questions.
If you've got a problem in the workplace or something
that's a bit confusing. He is the man to chat to.
And if you're the boss. He is a great person
to chat to if you've got a problem with your employee.

Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Text it just says absolutely, get a management no matter what.
They get you more money and sponsorship than your mum can.

Speaker 23 (01:42:15):
Okay, good advice, Jaiz, that's about harsh or a mum.

Speaker 2 (01:42:20):
Some moms are incredibly savvy.

Speaker 23 (01:42:23):
Yeah, secually and then might be a manager.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
And yes, they do start engaging with you at sixteen.

Speaker 3 (01:42:28):
Very interesting, Yeah right. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. It is twenty two
to four.

Speaker 1 (01:42:38):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heathen Taylor Adams
afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:42:45):
They'd be It's nineteen to four and in studio as
Gareth amdenor joining us. He's an employment, workplace and information
expert and he's a great man to chat to if
you've got a problem in the workplace or a problem
with an employee.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is a number to call.
I've picked this one out because it's my partner's birthday today. Tracy,
Happy Birthday, Happy Birthday. Two people at my work got
their birthdays off. When I asked, I was not allowed to.
Is an entitlement off to others your right too? I
understand that birthdays off isn't a right, But if it's
been offered to others year after year, does that become
an office right? Do you understand that?

Speaker 23 (01:43:19):
Wow? I guess what's not clear from that question is
where these other two people given the day off in
addition to their normal leave or did they just get
to take the day off and get their normal leave?

Speaker 4 (01:43:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:43:35):
Yeah, it's often what's not included in the question that's
the most important part.

Speaker 2 (01:43:41):
Yeah, give us a ring on eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty texture with more details that we need, need
more details. But say if it was so, if an
employer is giving some people something, I mean, are they
allowed to dish some things out to people and not
to others?

Speaker 23 (01:44:00):
I mean, surely that's not getting that benefit. Could certainly
object and raise a claim for being treated differently to
everybody else.

Speaker 4 (01:44:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:44:11):
Right, of course, it can be really tricky for an
employer because they they often can't tell the whole story
to all the rest of the staff. So you don't
actually know why these people got that day.

Speaker 2 (01:44:25):
Does It does sound like someone's sitting at their desk
feeling envious and jealousy and looking at you know, stretching
their books and looking slightly ov and go, how can
she gets your birthday off?

Speaker 3 (01:44:35):
Because if you get your birthday off, my birthdays on
Boxing Day, that's all. I already get that day off.

Speaker 9 (01:44:39):
So what do I get?

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
Yeah, I should get my birthday off.

Speaker 23 (01:44:42):
Then you get birthday presents and Christmas presents.

Speaker 3 (01:44:45):
Yeah, I get some of that as well. Yeah, yeah,
I blame month for that. You got off for another
couple of days.

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
He's just getting one from me. But Zion, how are you.

Speaker 19 (01:44:55):
Hey?

Speaker 7 (01:44:56):
Good?

Speaker 3 (01:44:57):
Yeah, we're good. Gareth is standing by for your question.

Speaker 19 (01:45:00):
Awesome, you got a question. Just recently, one of my
colleagues had a disciplinary meeting with their organization. Later on
he found out that the manager plus the manager's personnel
who was taking notes, which was introduced to him, and

(01:45:21):
then there was a Hiati consultant as well in the background.
Wonderful while the discipline the meeting was going on, but
it wasn't mentioned.

Speaker 7 (01:45:29):
Is that normal?

Speaker 23 (01:45:32):
No, that's that's not normal. And it certainly raises some
red flags. It's not that unusual for someone to join
a meeting by teams or on the phone, but that
should be disclosed at the beginning of the meeting, and
your colleague he may have grounds to take that further

(01:45:54):
because that is quite unusual.

Speaker 19 (01:45:57):
Yeah, you only realized that after he went after the
call ended that on the team's chat there was four
people instead of three.

Speaker 23 (01:46:07):
Yeah, yeah, that's and then that's quite unusual.

Speaker 7 (01:46:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:46:11):
And then if I know his person then looked at
the profile, it was the HI consultant on there, which
wasn't mentioned, okay.

Speaker 7 (01:46:17):
Yeah, And and the.

Speaker 23 (01:46:18):
Fact that the organization didn't mention it makes you wonder why,
because if there was nothing untoward about it, then they
would have just said, hey, we've got Bob joining from
he's giving us some advice and he's on the call
as well.

Speaker 8 (01:46:35):
Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:46:36):
And now the manager was quite new to the job,
and I think that's probably the way she had the
HI consultant in the background just mentioned that they're following
the right process.

Speaker 23 (01:46:47):
But on the face of it, it's a breach of
good faith.

Speaker 3 (01:46:51):
So yeah, yeah, all the beats with that, Zion. Yeah,
good luck A couple of teas coming through here.

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
Is there a definition of flexible working? My employer advertised
that they have flexible working, only for people to get
a job and realize it isn't flexible at all. Existing
stuff agating any flexible work capability has taken off them.

Speaker 23 (01:47:11):
Wow, isn't that advertising? Yeah, you know, it's a great workplace,
it's got the best culture. There's flexible working. You're not
going to have to work too hard and you're going
to get paid eats if only.

Speaker 2 (01:47:25):
Yeah, yeah, what is flexible?

Speaker 23 (01:47:29):
Yeah? I mean maybe it's a misrepresentation, but it sounds
like if if you're not enjoying the level of flexibility,
maybe you should be looking for a new job.

Speaker 4 (01:47:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:47:40):
Is that the sort of question you'd ask at the
interview stage? I suppose it sees I see you say
flexible working. Does that mean four days a week and
I can work one day at home? You've got to
specify that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:48):
Yeah, at that point you have to negotiate it.

Speaker 23 (01:47:51):
Yeah, totally.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
Yeah, this workplace isn't very flexible. I mean I have
to be here absolutely twelve to four.

Speaker 3 (01:47:57):
You do, there's no flexibility around there? Sounds highly unreasonable, Yeah, Philip,
how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 13 (01:48:05):
Good afternoon, I think too nice to see the sunshining. Inquiry,
if you wouldn't mind. If you've been told and it's
in your contract that your payday will be a Tuesday,
and if not, it'll be through by Wednesday, and then
there's it doesn't happen. How much notice the employer has
to give the employee. Please, if there was a change

(01:48:29):
to payday.

Speaker 23 (01:48:31):
Yeah, I guess there's a difference between the employer changing
the payday from your regular payday to a new regular payday,
and in that sort of situation, I would expect them
to consult with you so that you can make sure
that you've got enough for whatever outgoings you've.

Speaker 27 (01:48:48):
Got ye out that's the key thing, the outgoings, and
if it's you know, intermittent, so you know, you think
you're getting paid on this particular day, and then it
might happen for a week and then all of a
sudden that goes back out of not getting paid today,
it will be tomorrow.

Speaker 10 (01:49:09):
That's what I'm wanting to look at.

Speaker 23 (01:49:11):
That that's not a great situation. And generally when I
see things like that happening, I start to question the
financial health of the business either either they're very disorganized,
which is a red flag, or they don't have enough
money to pay you on your regular payday. So you

(01:49:32):
know the first thing you could do is you could
actually raise it with your employer and say, this is
causing problems for me. I've got outgoings that rely on
me getting paid on my payday.

Speaker 10 (01:49:45):
Which I expect to be paid on that the normal one.

Speaker 4 (01:49:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:49:48):
Yeah, of course, if this continues to happen, then you
may have grounds for a grievance that it's disadvantaging you.

Speaker 2 (01:49:57):
Or the very best of it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:58):
Yeah, thank you very much for your phone call.

Speaker 2 (01:50:01):
Sam, You've got a new manager problem.

Speaker 10 (01:50:05):
Yes, So the a new manager has selected one of
the front line staff to cover for him when he
goes on leave. Everything was very sudden notice and has
skipped our usual leadership team who usually covers for our manager.

(01:50:25):
And so it's caused some conflict, I guess, and some
headaches to the frontline staff.

Speaker 7 (01:50:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:50:34):
The selective frontline staff has no management or leadership experience.
It was just based off who knows, But yeah, I
guess the manager okay doing such or is there a
way of moving forward? Is a union issue or.

Speaker 23 (01:50:55):
Yeah, if you're a union member, that's definitely something you
could raise with the union. This is one of those
situations where you need to be very careful about raising
your head above the powa pet because if you object
to this and your new manager is well liked by

(01:51:15):
the organization and the people above him, you want to
make sure that you don't end up being the person
and the cross he is. I'd raise it with the union,
see if there's been a change to the normal process
when a manager goes on leave, and see if they
can raise it on your behalf without your name being mentioned.

(01:51:37):
That's a way of providing you with a degree of protection.

Speaker 10 (01:51:42):
Yeah, awesome, Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:51:45):
Yeah, thank you very much. A couple of techs coming
through here, Gareth. Hi, guys, oh man, I just lost it.
There's so many teachs coming through.

Speaker 2 (01:51:55):
How do you deal with this one there? How do
you deal with a toxic project manager and staff member
toxic behavior and micro management has been escalated multiple times
by multiple people, yet they are still there and the
project manager is now a portfolio manager. That's a question
from Peter.

Speaker 23 (01:52:12):
Yeah, well, I think in a situation like that, you're
getting a message that despite raising concerns the organization values
that person and keeps promoting them, it might be time
to start looking for a new job. You could certainly
raise acclaim, raise a grievance, but I don't like the

(01:52:34):
way the wind is blowing there.

Speaker 4 (01:52:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:52:37):
It's always risky when you raise a grievance with people
above you, because they're normally friends with the other people
above you or you know, and often what's going on
is being directed from above that person.

Speaker 23 (01:52:48):
That's right, So you might be h.

Speaker 3 (01:52:52):
You need to pick your battle. Yeah, yeah, be very careful. Gareth,
fantastic as always. We've got a whole bunch of ticks
that we'll have to get to next time. But thank
you very much and we will catch you in in
about a month.

Speaker 23 (01:53:03):
Sounds good, Thanks guys, go well.

Speaker 2 (01:53:04):
That is Gareth abdenaw Employment.

Speaker 3 (01:53:06):
We place an information expert and director at Abdenall Employment
Law if you want to get a hold of him
abdenor Law dot en Zed. He's the best in the business.
I've got to read out this part. The content of
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Any information discussed is not intended to be a substitute
for obtaining specific professional advice and should not be relied
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Speaker 1 (01:53:27):
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Speaker 3 (01:53:41):
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Speaker 2 (01:53:52):
Yeah what about this text? Yeah, Gareth is fantastic, but
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Speaker 3 (01:53:58):
He is very good and again if you want to
go check him out you've got a problem at your
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zed's he is a good man to chat too.

Speaker 2 (01:54:07):
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