Full Show Podcast: 06 June 2025

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 6th of June 2025 - a bunch of politicians have chimed into our foreign policy over China in an 'open letter'. Should they keep their noses out having had their time, or does their opinion count?

Then, any code, any time in history, who is NZ’s greatest coach? 

Plus we reveal who gets the gong of New Zealander Of The Week.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello, are you going to New Zealanism? And Welcome to
Matt and Tyler Full Show Podcasts Number one forty four, Friday,
the sixth of June twenty twenty five. Fantastic show today.
It was like it was like trying to it was
like a rodeo trying to hold on to that first topic.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yeah, pretty tough staying on that ball.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
About previous about politicians, retired politicians or ex politicians having
to say about things. Yeah, it got into a deep
philosophical chat about whether Trump is a dictator or not.
And like, I just got to say this before we
get to it. You know, if you say anything about
Trump that isn't just pure spitting victor vitriol, then people

(01:00):
accuse you of supporting Trump. But you can say that
Trump isn't a dictator because he was elected yep, and
because there is the still the three Let's not get.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Anyway anyway, skit off social media, stop listening to what
they're feeding you.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
If you can't see that China is a dictatorship and
for all its flaws America isn't then I feel like
you might be in a bubble. Yeah, but then again,
maybe I'm in a freaking bubble.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
It's a crazy old world. It's crazy old Well and
in an awesome chat about New Zealand's greatest day of
a sporting coach.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
I enjoyed today. So I hope you enjoy the pod.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yes, download, subscribe, hang in a minute, give us a review.
I'm still a bit dusty after the last night to y.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, do we celebrate how many? How many awards I
wont at the radio awards on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
You will find out. So he was up for sex.
You'll find out how many he won.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
We do celebrate there? Oh good, I forgot it.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, maybe we didn't celebrate it enough multiple times. Love
you big.

Speaker 5 (01:59):
Stories, the league issues, the big trends and everything in between.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
And Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Talk said me, good afternoon to you. Welcome into Friday's show,
seven past one. Hope you're doing fantastic wherever you're listening
in the country. Get a Mets, get a Tyler good
a great New Zealanders and welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
So good to be here today.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yes, and what a night last night the New Zealand
radi on Podcast awards and Matt Heath, well done, mate,
well done, Thank you, good night for Matt Heath.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Look and we won a few and look that that
was fantastic. Yeah. And when we say when I say we,
I mean me. Yeah. But also news Storks heb did
very well and congratulations to hear the Dupercy Ellen. Yes,
fantastic from here, Ye, fantastic.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
She got the supe Paul Holmes Award, which is a
coveted award, and yourself the Blackie Award.

Speaker 6 (02:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
I mean the biggest award I got was the Blackie
Award with a nice heavy trophy. But when I went
up to do the speech, I think I didn't do
the speech I wanted to do. And I think it
was primarily because we keep playing that that audio from
Ricky Gervais on this show, you know when he said,
you know, just thank your God and your agent and
get off stage. And so when I went on stage

(03:14):
because I played it on this radio show, I was
walking up going I got to be brief here and
then when I saw some of the other speeches that
seemed to go for about four to five days that
I realized I was maybe too believe brief, But anyway,
my point I wanted to make on stage. So I
won the prize for the Pino wa movement. Yes, which
is basically what happened. Was in April last year, the

(03:37):
Warriors had just smashed the Rabbitos thirty four to four,
and I celebrated with my friends and I just poured
a nice big glass of red wine and so a
friend took a picture of me drinking it, and then
I posted it just on a whim under the hashtag
hashtag up the pino Wars, which was it was taken
on board as a kind of a strange statement because

(03:58):
it was sort of mixing classy red wine with the
Warriors hadn't been done before. And it blew up and
it was on the news in New Zealand, and it
was all over the radio, and then it was and
it was it was over in Australia. I got interviewed
on Australian.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Television coverage for one post that you checked on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah. And then and then a couple of vineyards started
making Penois wine and sending it to me. And then
we drew against the Sea Eagles and and people started
talking about a curse, and I was like, oh, this
is interesting. And then we lost against the Dragons, and
then we lost against the Titans, and then we lost
against the Knights, and then we lost against the Roosters,
and I basically had to go into witness relocation because

(04:42):
what had become a pleasant little joke was now a
basically seen as a terrible curse.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
How fast they turned on you start losing if you're
anything to do with it.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
But there was a while there wherever I went, you know,
I would walk into a bar and they'd have red
wine waiting for me because because this is I was
the toast of the town. And then I was a
persona no grata. And then I thought that was that
that stage of my life had slept under the mat.
And then and then it got nominated for award, and
so it was nice to win the award and hold
up the trophy for that idea. And it's how it

(05:15):
played out on radio stations when the Warriors are doing
so well, you know, we've already got more wins the
season we did last season. Yeah, I've got nine wins
the season. So so that was great. But then so
I didn't get that story out and then I failed
to thank anyone that was, you know, at the great Radiohodachi.
I forgot to think my my co host, Jeremy Wells, yeah,
you know, various producers like mash and Ruder.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yeah, you know you did mention Jeremy, did I But
I think he was too good?

Speaker 2 (05:41):
But I insulted him. Yeah, you insulted Jeremy instead of
instead of being magnanimous, I used the opportunity of the
stage to just insult him. You know. So, so I
think my my speech wasn't what I wanted it to be.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yeah, well, it's good to get that out now. But
the one good thing about your speech matter is it
was short. Because holy moly, those awards fantastic.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
But man, it was it was. It was a long time.
What was it about two and a half hours. It
was a long awards And it's hot in there.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Super hot. It's dry, not allowed drinks in there. The
drinks are not into after.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, because radio people get a bit rowdy. Look, I
love the radio industry. I think it's the greatest industry
in the media industry in New Zealand. It's fantastic. So
many incredible people work there. ZB did very one well
winning Station of the Year. Congratulations, my costking won an award. Yep,
hither as I said before myself, Yep, a lot of
great people won awards. But anyway, yeah, anyway, having said that,

(06:34):
I think we could tighten up the hoards a little bit. Yeah,
I think I think it's just people speaking into Mike's
We might not need a full two and a half
hour awards ceremony. With the temperature set to about forty
five degrees in the theater, it's like a ninety minute movie.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
That's the prime. That's what we like, ninety minutes in
and out. It's bit of a Nippin Tatia in there. Anyway,
weld I mate, well deserved and it was a fantastic night.
Onto Today's show, as we always do on Friday, after
three o'clock New Zealander of the Week.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
The jury is still in deliberation. Yes, that's right. So
if you you've got a new Zealander of the Week
that you'd like to nominate, with love to hear from
you in nine two nine two, we will listen to
your suggestions and the jury will decide yes.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Looking forward to that after three o'clock. Also after three
o'clock Gary Stead. His replacement has now been named Rob Walter,
former South Africa at Tigo Central District's boss. But no
doubt Gary Stead will go down as one of the
great coaches in New Zealand. But we want to take
it a bit broader than that.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, that's right. What is the greatest ever coach in
New Zealand? So you know, Gary Stead's in the conversation
for the greatest cricket coach in New Zealand history, but
it's the greatest ever ever coach so far people have
been texting thing through Gordon Walker, of course, at least
Carriton's coach. Yep, you know Don Trickle trackle softball coach. Yes,
of course, Sir Stephen Hanson big yes, in the mix.

(07:52):
But who was our greatest ever ever coach?

Speaker 3 (07:54):
I saw Gordon Kitchens in there. Gordon Titchens was a
great coach.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Old man Titchens. Yes. Pushing people so hard that they
vomited was basically his man Pizimo, wasn't it.

Speaker 7 (08:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (08:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Fitness, fitness, fitness, that is.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
After three o'clock, After two o'clock Cherley Boys High School,
they're having two eight hundred thousand dollars of its own
money to reverse these open plan learning classrooms. So this
was a Ministry of Education directive during the Labor government
to build these open plan classrooms when they were building
new schools and sometimes retro fitting as well. So Shirley Boys'
High School quite rightly has come out and said it's

(08:27):
a massive distraction. It is hard for the boys in
particular to learn when there are sixty two one of
these open planned classrooms. There's TVs going on, there's yelling,
it's impossible to try and learn. So they are reversing that.
So we want to talk to you. If your child
is in one of these open plan classrooms, how's it going?

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Does anyone support these open plan classrooms? You know what
was the science before they did them, Because as soon
as they came in, people started complaining about them. Terrible
amount of racket, terribly confusing, and you know, teachers ended
up just spending way more time. You'd have three teachers
spending their time worth just the difficult kids across. I
mean my kids went to one that had three classrooms. Yeah,
it was a whole floor all together. It was an

(09:06):
absolute cluster.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah, yeah, it works.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Are they still building them.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah, good question.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah, and if you had a choice, would you pay
to have your kids not be in this situation? Now, Look, teachers,
tell us why they are so punishing or if you
support them. We'd love to hear that, because I've just
never heard anyone say they were good.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Yeah that is after two o'clock. Looking forward to that.
But right now, let's have a chat about this. Open letters.
So the statement in the form of an open letter
to Prime Minister Christopher Luxen from former Labor Prime Minister
Sir Jeffrey Palmer and Helen Clark, National leader Don Brash,
the former Speaker Sir David Carter, a former Ambassador to China,
Carl Walker, a worker rather, and a businessman David Mahn.

(09:48):
It has been published as an advertisement in various newspapers
and expresses their grave concern about the current direction of
New Zealand's foreign policy with China. So Winston Peters has
responded to this open letter. He is the Foreign Minister,
of course, he said, I quote, I see no value
in indulging the tired arguments of various former politicians or

(10:08):
a officials who appear to be suffering from relevance deprivation. Syndrome.
That is a great turn of phrase.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Relevance deprivation syndrome.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, So a couple of questions. I mean, the first
one is Winston Peter's right. When the likes of Helling
Clark and Don Brash and Sir Jeffrey Palmer, and they
quite often come out and have quotes about many things
these days, how much relevance do we put on former
politicians when they sign these open letters? Are they so

(10:37):
far out of the game that they are just like
an ordinary citizen at that point? That's what they say
doesn't hold any more credence than anybody else.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Well, the thing is, of course they can say whatever
they want, absolutely, one hundred percent. Everyone everyone's saying supports
free speech, so go for your life, absolutely, But do
we care what these ex politicians have to say and
what they think? If they didn't fix things while they
were there, why do we hear what they think? Now?
You know? Is there sort of a beauty in doing

(11:07):
your bit and having your time in Parliament and then
leaving it to others like for example, Bill English And
are they just trying to protect their legacy, because that's
that's the suspicion, isn't it. The suspicion is that they say,
for example, the China situation, you go back to when
Helen Clarke was Prime Minister, instrumental and bringing China into

(11:28):
the World Trade Organization. Yeah, so she's got skin in
the game in that relationship with China, you know, so
you know, you might as they perceived biases, grudges, you know,
does it undermine the successes and not give them a
chance to forge their path?

Speaker 7 (11:45):
You know?

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Is it just a distraction seeing as they don't actually
have a say? So here we're hearing about these politicians
that have the manner because they were in power at
one point. They're not in power now and so it's
and they're not trying to be in power. So they
get they get a lot of attention. But but is
that undue because it's very easy to have that. You
know that the situation between China and the United States

(12:07):
and U Z is very, very complicated. We've got a
historical ally, and we've got our biggest trading partner and
our biggest trading partner and our really only formal ally
in the world apart from Australia, is hate each other.
And we're in the middle exactly. So it's very easy
to throw rocks from the side, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Well, particularly when, as you say, you're a former prime
minister and you've made a diplomatic decision yourself when you're
in government and then times are very different in twenty
twenty five than they were in Helen Clark's days. But
to then say this government is taking the wrong direction,
I mean, do we really take relevance from that. She's
just disagreeing with with a new government what is doing

(12:47):
something different than her government?

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Did?

Speaker 3 (12:48):
So really keen to have your views on this one
O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. There's plenty of
texts coming through.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Ah, yeah, yeah, but give us ring one hundred and
eighty ten eighty. Do you think that they are what
they have to say is relevant at all to the
current situation?

Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yep, it is eighteen past one. Let's get into it.
It's you listening to Matt and Tyler beck for surely the.

Speaker 5 (13:08):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks'd be.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
For a good afternoon to you. It's twenty past one.
We're talking about an open letter that has been addressed
to the Prime Minister Christopher Luxon. It's been signed by
former Labor Prime Minister Sir Jeffrey Palmer Halen Clark. It's
been signed by National Leader Don Brash, former National Leader,
I should say, the former Speaker Sir David Carter, and
some ambassadors and other officials. Its effectively says that our

(13:38):
diplomacy when it comes to China is going in the
wrong direction and they are consumed. But the question we've
asked is should we be listening to what they have
to say? Do they still have relevance as former politicians?

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah? And I said before that Bill English when he
left Parliament, we didn't hear much more from him again
in terms of public comments. But of course, as someone's
pointed out here, he did. He did. He was put
in charge of the independent Review of Kianga Order, Homes
and Communities, wasn't he in early twenty twenty four? But
is that a bit different to be tapped for your

(14:11):
expertise to look into something as opposed to getting together
an unsolicited opinion to me to try and change the
course of your country. It's a bit.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Different to me, absolutely, it's different if any of these
guys were tapped on the shoulder in an advisory role
for how we're going about our foreign diplomacy, then that
would be a completely different story because the government's bringing
them in, so of course their comments would matter and
that situation.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
And you'd have to say that Helen Clarke has been
courting the media. She has been trying to get in
the media as much as she possibly can, commenting on
everything she possibly can, and boys recently in something I
saw her being interviewed, and you would have to come
out of that interview thinking that she is in some
kind of Internet bubble in what she believes. She seems

(14:55):
to have been distorted by a way of looking at
the world that isn't necessarily tied to reality.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
There's quite controversial statements here for sure. Oh one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number of four?

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Can I agree?

Speaker 6 (15:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (15:11):
Tell how you going? Like Matt just reading this letter,
you know they're going on about things like, oh, you know,
upsetting the Chinese over Taiwan is just a big suck
up to the Chinese, and you know, my bears at
that regime. And three of the people Clark, Parma and brash.
Even Thor's on the right.

Speaker 10 (15:30):
His father was a.

Speaker 9 (15:32):
Preacher who has strong socialist views and Helen Clark will
you know he's strong socialist background, pro Chinese, the same
as Parma. I mean, you know, it's the Chinese sort
have changed their position in the last ten years or so.
They've become increasingly aggressive. The China bully countries. They're at
long aheads with people like the vietnam Ese, who were

(15:52):
former allies who would remind to kick their backsides in
that nineteen seventy nine war. They have and you know
they are Totalityian regime and they're not going to stop.
And we need to realize. I know we've got strong
trade lengths, but we need to widen our trade than
for other countries because of all our eggs in one basket,
which is very dangerous to have. And you know, you

(16:17):
look what they've done to the Tibetans, to the Hong
Kong people, and they want to have a crack at
the Taiwanese, and they will do at some stage. They're
going to come down here. I've always believed that in
the future they'll be knocking on odd or stick and
people will scoff and laugh at that, But that's what
I firmly believe.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Well, I'm ready between greg, I'm ready between the lines here.
But it seems to me that particularly Helen Clark is
a huge problem with America and particularly the Trump regime.
You know who's worse. Who is worse morally in your eyes,
at the United States of America or China? If we're

(16:54):
taking out trade, who has the moral high ground in
between those two countries?

Speaker 9 (17:01):
The US They're not without fault. We all realize that
at times. I've wondered some of the people excuse me,
they support, but they're still in democracy. They still saved
our bacon. They's not forget that many years ago. They
are a democracy. For their faults. You can laugh at Trump,
you can ridicule them, you can ridicule all the politicians.
Try doing that, engaging and seeing how long you last,

(17:23):
or with someone like Teuton, And that's the thing. You know,
America is still a democracy. You've still got your rights there,
and you know if people stuff up as they have done,
various politicians have found out. Look what happens in China's
Jjing King has put them on an increasingly aggressive path
towards their neighbors in the Pacific, and that's that's how

(17:46):
we're going to remember, you know, take away the gloss.
I think it's really stupid, as I've just said that
we've got this massive trade dear, whilst it's been good
in a lot of respects, we're so beholding to them.
I mean, would we have done that was before the
Second World War?

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Well, we might have at some point, we might have
some point in the thirties, but we definitely shouldn't have.

Speaker 9 (18:10):
But I just think, yeah, America's still got the moral
high ground.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Do you think do you think that maybe one of
the reasons why, you know, people like Alan Clark and
certain people have this huge problem with America is because
there's such a volume of information comes out of America
and opinions because it's you know, the free speech is
very important to them. But what we get out of
China is completely is shut down, So we're not getting

(18:34):
as much of turmoil and not much information and really
is as much to rally against because because there is
no free speech in China, so we just we just
don't hear as much as much I guess noise out
of China.

Speaker 9 (18:49):
Well, they're not democracy, are they in your silence. Look
what happens if you do speak out? Quite happened to
the students and the animal square. I mean Helen here,
I say, as an old communist from way back, I mean,
look what she did to the air force here get
out and destroyed the straight ones, undermine the defense of
the country. And she's a strong old socialist. Goes back

(19:11):
to her in university, goes she was a Vietnam protester.

Speaker 10 (19:14):
I'm measuring the three.

Speaker 9 (19:16):
And who was just a pull by it.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Thank you so much for your call, Greg, so that
this Texas says here, actually I'll respond to this text
here having a go at me for running down Helen Clark.
When we get back. But one hundred at eighty ten eighty,
what do you think about these ex politicians coming out
and trying to affect policy in twenty twenty five, it
is twenty seven past one, putting.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
The tough questions to the newspeakers, the Mike asking break.

Speaker 11 (19:42):
For Parliament, endorse the Privileges Committee recommendation around the Mallory
Party Chair of the Privileges Committee, Judith Coldin's back with us.

Speaker 12 (19:47):
Which it's not about the Harker, It's not about there
to interrupts the vote, finger pointing in terms of there's
a gun movement at three actmps and none of the
protocols we're respected in Parliament. Whatever we do, we've got
to follow those protocols.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
That's the arrogance of it, isn't it.

Speaker 11 (20:02):
I don't I can't work out whether they want to
get it or don't want to get it, or do
get it, but just don't want to run it down.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
In other words, I I just don't take them seriously.

Speaker 11 (20:09):
I just I'm so fed up and sick of the
point I think they're not serious people.

Speaker 12 (20:13):
No, well, they're not serious people.

Speaker 11 (20:16):
Back Monday from six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
a Vida News talk Zby Good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
We're talking about this open letter addressed to the Prime
Minister Christopher Lux and it has been signed by Helen Clark's,
Jeffrey Palmer, Don Brash, It's l a few officials as well.
They effectively target Winston Peters, but our foreign policy when
it comes to China. They think we're moving too far
away from China. When I say we, I mean our government.
And we'll read you a little bit of that letter shortly,

(20:44):
but there was a text you wanted to respond to.

Speaker 8 (20:45):
Man.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Oh, yes, someone says, Matt, you are totally negative about
Helen Clark. You run her down weekly, sometimes daily, have
her on your show. She's a good person. I've met
Helen Clark a number of times. In fact, once in
an event, I spilt a glass of wine on her
feet and I was surprised that I wasn't attacked by
diplomatic services. And I have a lot of respect for
Helen Clark, but I live in near Eden Park and
her dishonest and in hypocritical way that she behaved around

(21:10):
how Eden Park wanted to do concerts just shock me.
It shocked me. It seemed to be the exact opposite
of what she had believed in the past. And then
since then I've been looking at her responses to things,
and she's not the Helen Clark that I thought was
a reason to good and solid prime minister back in
the day. She's not that person anymore. And if you
if you watch this, this interview with her on three now,

(21:33):
I believe you know what what was it on.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
It was on It was Samantha Hayes. So yeah, if
you google it.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
You be able to see that interview, and I think
you will be surprised that some of the conspiracy theories
that she she spouts out as if as if they're
the truth. And it makes me think that she's been
in a bubble. And if I was Helen Clark, I
might try and spend more time with different people and
maybe cleanse her algorithm, decase your computer, and maybe read

(22:01):
a couple of other things. That's good advice for a
lot of people. Things that she was saying have been
very very adequately debunked.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
How did you spare one on her feet?

Speaker 2 (22:08):
By the way, I was at the launch of a
New Zealand music initiative and I just went over to
say hello, because you know, I wanted to talk to
the Prime Minister. Just a little bit stumble on the
nervous Yeah, no, a bit drunk, yep standard. He just
tripped a little bit and splashed a little bit on it.
And what did she say? Well, I got to say
she was very magnanimous about it. Yeah this is a

(22:31):
long long time ago. Yeah yeah, times changed now yeah
yeah at that point she you know, she didn't get
me shot or anything.

Speaker 6 (22:38):
Right.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number to call.
I just want to read out a bit of this
letter here. So the joint letter singles out Winston Peters
for what it's his a statements he made which seek
to position New Zealand alongside the United States as an
adversary of China.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Right quote.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
For example, since coming to office, your government has signed
New Zealand up to a number of strategic groupings, groupings
led by the United States. You have authorized the naval
vessel to sail through the Taiwan Strait, despite knowing that
would antagonize China. You have strength and defense ties with
the Philippines at a time when it is a low
level military standoff with China in the south of China Sea.
And you have allowed one of your MPs both last

(23:15):
year and again recently to lead a large delegation of
MP's to Taiwan, despite many years of avoiding such a
scale of political contacts. There is more in that letter,
and you can read it online, but that is the
gist of it. Winston Peters, by the way, has has
sent a statement saying he doesn't care what they say.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
They're irrelevant. Yeah, And essentially what their letter is saying,
if you cut through it is China is problematic, but
hold your nose because we trade with them and they're
our biggest trading partner.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
YEP, exactly oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
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Speaker 2 (25:04):
Thank you very much, Raylan.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
We're talking about this open letter addressed to the Prime Mini,
a stiff from former Labor Prime Minister Sir Jeffrey Palmer,
Helen Clark, National Leader, former National Leader Dom Brash, which
expressed grave concern about the current direction of New Zealand's
foreign policy when it comes to China.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, so that's that's that's people from both sides of
the aisle. Yeah, isn't it. You got Don Brash, You've
got Helen Clark, So you can't say it's, you know,
just a left wing thing or just a right wing thing.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah, very true. And there's a few officials and former
ambassadors in there as well.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Lind says she knows what she's talking about. Uncle Winnie
needs to pull as hidden there you go, Hey, guys,
they have all had their day and we're all voted
out of parliament. I don't know why they feel that
their opinions are relevant. Personally, I'm sick to death appearing
from Helen Clark. I think she wished she could just
go I just wish she could go away. Yeah. Yeah, anyway,
keep those teas coming through. You get the gist of

(25:58):
that one. Yeah so, But but I mean a lot
of people are saying they should shut up people. No
one should shut up. I mean, it's free speech. They
can definitely have their opinion, and I guess some would
argue from the other side that we're not really getting
is that they have experience and insight that most of
us don't. More than I do, more than you do, Tyler, yeap,

(26:18):
more than most people texting. I mean, they have dealt
with China, and they have personally dealt with the United
States of America. They've been involved in these foreign policy decisions,
and look, maybe they've got it wrong at the time,
but sometimes people get things wrong and then they look
back and go, well, I've learned from that.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yeah, that's very true. But the question I've got is
how much weight should we put on what they've got
to say versus Winston Peters and Judith Collins who are
currently in government. They see the latest information at hand.
They see, you know, they get information that nobody else gets,
the secret information from our strategic partners about what's going on.
Should we put more weight on what they have to

(26:56):
say about the state of that part of the world.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Well, they rate themselves by writing the letter talking about
a hubris to it. Yeah, that our opinion is worth
more than other people's opinions and when we get together,
more powerful as a group and should be listened to
because of who we previously were.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call, Peter. You support what they've
got to say.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
Well, and former Prime Minister called Keating disagrees with Australia
spending all this money on nuclear submarines. And then you
look at former Prime Minister John Keayr who desperately tried
to get a free trade deal with Russia and Prusion
wasn't interested, probably because we just saw he's probably saw
in New Zealand as a spy vessel for the USA. And

(27:41):
we're part of five Eyes, We're a target from five Eyes.
Point of view. We're also helping train people in Ukraine
and under the Official Information Act, I asked all about
you know, where is all this information that New Zeald's
supposed to have an independent foreign policy and those decisions
of supporting the US with respect to Ukraine and everything

(28:04):
else we do. Where is our independent foreign policy? It's
this lipstick on a pig, you know. Can I ask
you to guys now, as America says to remain with US,
in Australia says the same thing. You have to stop
trading with China. Are you going to do it? Yes

(28:24):
or no? To be a friend of America?

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Well, I think I think Peter, you've cut straight to
the point, and that is the problem that we're in
right now. We're our biggest trading partner is China and
our only strategical ally is Australia in the US in
any kind of signed treaty. So yeah, I mean that
that is the crux of it. But equally, if we

(28:47):
distance ourselves from from the United States, are we all
in with China? I mean the question is is it
about economics or is it about your where you feel
that you're morale, morally, politically aligned. So Peter, I'd ask
you what would happen if we if we distance ourselves
from America, and then what looks increasingly lightly in the

(29:08):
next few years China invades Taiwan.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
Well, China doesn't have to invade Taiwan because New Zealand
and American Australia recognize that China is Taiwan is part
of China, and they did that to trade it and
to have an agreement with China that was a non
negotiable item, and the Europeans and the British have all

(29:33):
signed up to that. So it's just saber rattling.

Speaker 6 (29:36):
Really.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
The thing about New Zealand if you look at US,
we borrow money from the US. The Federal Reserve creates
the money from nowhere. The Australians have about with their
banks about thirty ages ago, their profits came from New
Zealand for the publicly listed banks in Australia. So we're
borrowing money from both countries if you like, and we're

(29:59):
not looking after our own sovereigntory. And last time we
did that was when Michael Joseph Savage was the Primers
and used the reserve bag to create money to fund
STAF housing. Now we're just borrowing money. We want to
borrow more money to fund defense. At nine billion, it's
not going to make us safer. We're not saying anything
to the US enabling genocide with respect to supplying weapons

(30:23):
and funds to Israel, and America is supposed to have
our values. Are our values general?

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Well, yeah, we're going to.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
But you could then list a whole lot worse from China, couldn't.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
You will tell me one thing worse from China.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Well, the fact they're a dictatorship, the fact that that
there's no free speech in their country.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
People, Yes, what about the killing people.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Populations they are? What about the and one of them
is not a democracy. There's no way, Peter, that you
could stand here and say that that China is morally
superior to the United States of America. You surely don't
believe that, do you, Peter, Well, well.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
If you look at China and America, China, you know,
charges families for the bullet to kill people and organ
transplants and all that. In America, you had journalism like
the Australian during the start, who was locked up without
trial for many years just to say that America is

(31:26):
free speech. And then you've got the universities who can't
criticize Israel, and they're going to be you know, so
you can't say you've got free speech.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
You've got you can definitely say one hundred percent that
you've got free speech in America. You absolutely have free
speech in America. That's one thing we have to agree.
And you look at the amount of abuse Trump gets.
Trump gets just unrelenting abuse from from the media social media.
Anyone can say anything. You cannot abuse Jijingping. You cannot.
You cannot even post a picture of poo beer because

(31:57):
he looks like Jijingping. So there's definitely free speech in America.
Is any There's more free speech in America than there
is anywhere else in the world.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
Well, what why do social media people get the platformed
if it's free speech, and you know, search engines can
only show certain things, and you have to go to
the Russian search and engine, you know, yandex whatever to
get another.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Talk about Peter. If you're going to the Russian search engines,
then you're getting a heavily censored search engine. But the
I mean, it gets incredibly complicated with social media platforms
because they're private businesses, right, So that that becomes incredibly difficult.
But if you go on any social media right now
in the United States of America, you will find just

(32:43):
screeze and screeze and screeze of abuse of the current regime.
We've lost Peter.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
Yeah, Peter, thank you very much for your call, and
he took it to the extremes there. But just to
bring it back, it is a tight rope that we
have to walk, as in New Zealand, right between the
relationship with China as our biggest export partner and our
strategic military partnerships with the likes of you West. The
argument that Judith Collins and Winston Peters would make is
that we move too far away on the other side

(33:13):
of that tightrope towards China and we started to lose
that strategic relationship military relationship with the United States, Canada,
Australia and the UK. So that is where the argument lies,
right is where in that type rope should we be
leaning to And then Helen Clark and Don Brash and
Sir Jeffrey Palmer thinks we need to go back to
cosey up to China. That's the crux of the argument.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Well, yeah, and often when we have these discussions. We
think there's a right and a wrong answer. And you
know New Zealand currently needs to trade with China. Yeah,
you know we need them ex at the moment. It's
not a use or no answer, and that directly affects
how our citizens, the quality of our citizens' lives, our healthcare,

(33:57):
so many different things are affected by our trade with China.
Just so we've got some money coming into the economy, right, Yeah,
So that is an incredibly complicated trade off. And you're
exactly right, Tyler. It's how far we move towards China
and away from America, or towards America a historical ally
that has you know, democratic democratic institutions in the line

(34:19):
with ours, yeah, or how far we moved to a dictatorship,
communistic taorship. Yeah, it's complicated as a day one. Maybe
there's no true answer. I mean, it's almost certain that
there's no clean answer.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Yeah, but we're keen on your views on it. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty It is fourteen to two.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
A fresh take on Talkback. It's Matt Heath and Taylor
Adams afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten
eighty US talks.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
B Good afternoon. We're talking about this open letter that
has been signed by Helen Clark, Don Brash, the former Speaker,
Sir David Carter, among others, and it is stressed to
the Prime Minister. It does take aim at Winston Peters
as Foreign Minister. They believe we are moving too far
away from our relationship with China and they are worried
about our foreign policy direction.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
So do we care what ex politician have to say?
Should we hold their opinions in high regard or do
we just think, look, you had you go and leave
it to the new people, because you know they've got
experience and insight, don't they Yes, because they've been there,
but they've also got bias and grudges.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Exactly one hundred and eighteen eighty number to call.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Gett Daniel, Yeah, geto boys.

Speaker 14 (35:30):
How are we doing very good?

Speaker 3 (35:31):
What's your thoughts?

Speaker 15 (35:33):
So I just.

Speaker 14 (35:34):
Wanted to bring it made after that last call. I
wanted to bring it right back to your original discussion,
which is the relevance that that these people have and
to me, as a three term prime minister in what
I would call a modern time. I gave Helen Clark
as much relevance as I was John Key, and I
think that they've been prime ministers in this country for

(35:56):
over a decade or for almost a decade, so I
think they have the right to make comments in regards
to to foreign policy and any issues they think. Well.
I think that the other thing that he has to
take into account is the only way they can get
there those comments out to the public is that chosen
an open letter. Whether that's the right vehicle or not.

(36:18):
The same thing as he was talking about Bill English
before I give fill English, you'd be right to comment
on our financial state. But he was only a one
term prime minister. I don't I feel as finance minister
he was. He did a fantastic job, but he doesn't
have the right to comment on the likes of China.
He was only a one term prime minister and didn't
have as much thing dealings with China where it all

(36:42):
goes wrong. As Winston's just taken this classic Trump sort
of role of just personality politics. I'm not even going
to discuss what they have said in an open letter.
I'm just going to say they're irrelevant, and I think
that that's to me, that's washing. We're just washing away
the content of the discussion, at least the last guy

(37:04):
and you guys got into the actual content, which is
what is our relationship with the stake who are very
different used to be what is our relationship with China?
And what do we want that to look like going forward? Well,
I'd say that's actually the crux of this latter and
to me, if you want to talk about relevant, Helen

(37:25):
Clark has got as much right the comments as we
turn to we turned to any we turn into an
ex all black to talk about how they how the
Blues are doing.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
It that.

Speaker 14 (37:40):
Mate, justin Marshall's got no right to comment.

Speaker 16 (37:42):
On now sometimes I think that I just I just
feel like he's out of the game for twenty years
and he doesn't really have but in the workings.

Speaker 14 (37:52):
But we still go to people in the in the
sector and we asked their advice.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Or were well, thank you so much, Daniel, and that's
thank you for bringing back to the very crux of
the question we're asking. Yeah, and he says, yes, they do, yep,
and and look either whether they you know, how however
much you listen to them is up to you. But
we're hopefully everyone listening supports as much free speech as
we possibly can get, so you certainly wouldn't want to
silence people. No, but it's how much weight you give

(38:18):
it and how relevant you think their comments are exactly.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is and number to call.
Thank you very much for your call, Daniel. It is
seven to two.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Taylor
Adams afternoons News DOGSB.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
It is five to two. This is an interesting point
because it's sort of left and right. I've come through
on this message fellas Clark and Palmer are communists, so
I wouldn't put too much stock in what they say. However,
the interesting one is Brash. Whilst he's right of Gigga's karn,
I have a lot of respect for her.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
Yeah, right on east side this letter too, isn't he
the right of gis car? And this one says getto Matt,
just tuned in. How many awards did you win last night?
Congratulations News DOGSB.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Just the four? Gary? Why did I read that?

Speaker 13 (39:08):
Just that?

Speaker 2 (39:09):
I read that one out? Hey, let's keep this topic
going because we've got so many calls on the line
and so many texts coming through. If you we have
full lines, but keep trying on one hundred and eighty
ten eighty. We're trying to get to as many calls
as we can in the next hour.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Yep, how much wait do you give to former politicians
when it comes to foreign policy? Love to hear your thoughts.
I wait, one hundred eighty, ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
It is four.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Minutes to do new sport and weather on its way,
but a crowded house to see you.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
We will see you on the other side.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
We know fair talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen,

(40:25):
Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
It'd be good afternoons. You welcome back into the show.
Seven past two. Now, just before we carry on with
this discussion about the open letter signed by Helen Clark
and Don Brash, among others, about our foreign policy decisions,
I've got to create a correction to make in a
bit of an apology. We are going to talk about
these modern learning environments, these open planned classrooms. Hopefully in

(40:49):
about twenty five minutes. Cheeryboys high at spending eight hundred
thousand dollars of their own money to change those open
plan classrooms because they say they're not working for their boys.
And a lot of school share that sentiment. But I
did say when we were talking about that particular topic
that it was instituted by Labor.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
I was wrong.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
It was instituted by Heikia Parata under the National government
in twenty ten after the christ At earthquakes. There was
a lot of schools to rebuild. But then the Labor Party,
who got an after the John Key government, carried it
on so quick correction there there was a few texts
on that. Yeah, so there it is.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
It doesn't need to be a party issue, does it. No, exactly,
it's just our open plan schools classrooms a good idea
or not. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but thank you. It also
get your facts right Tyler, jeez.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Thank you to the Texas and there is your correction.
Right back to this discussion because it is a fascinating discussion.
The open letter has been signed, as I mentioned by
Helen Clark, Don Brash of Jeffrey Palmer, the former Speaker
of the House, Sir David Carter. They are worried about
foreign policy decisions made by this government they've taken particular
aim of Foreign Minister Winston Peters over some of these decisions.

(41:53):
Winston Peters, however, said, I quote, I see no value
in indulging the tight arguments of various former politicians or
officials who appeared to be suffering from relevance deprivation syndrome.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Well, you know, as it was called it was a
Daniel before pointed out he hasn't really addressed the issue directly,
there has he. But it's classic Winston Peter's get to
life laugh. But the question is do we care what
these ex politicians think? It does because they were in
these positions of power in the past, elevate their opinion
to a higher level than other people. I mean, they've
had experience and insight that you and I haven't, Tyler,

(42:27):
That is true, you know. But they'd also have perceived
biases and grudges, don't they They do, yeah, so, and
you know they had their charts yep. But what's interesting
about this letter is you've got Don Brash and Helen
Clarke coming together, and you'd have to say that they
wouldn't agree on a lot together, would they? No? Not?

Speaker 8 (42:46):
Not?

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Traditionally O one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Love your thoughts on this. Plenty of
teachers coming through as well, which will get too shortly.
But Phil, you think we should consider the letter?

Speaker 17 (42:58):
Yeah, I think so. Funny enough, I was going to
I'm in the process of writing to the Foreign Minister,
to the Prime Minister. Because I do all this sort
of stuff, I don't always get it. I don't always
get a good response because obviously they have their own
thoughts and ideas.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
But at last, Fiel, you're participating actively in democracy, which
is what we like to see.

Speaker 17 (43:24):
Well, I think we all should. I feel that, you know,
just going back to our previous election, if we'd had
an eighty percent turnout of people voting, wouldn't it have
been a better turnout sort of result?

Speaker 6 (43:38):
Really? Surely?

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Well, well, well, you know if that the higher the turnout,
then the you know, the less complaining people can do,
because you would argue that it's a stronger mandate. But yeah,
your thoughts on those thoughts onil?

Speaker 17 (43:52):
Well, well, I knew the letter was coming up, and
then of course I saw it in today's paper. And
I do believe that my interest in what happens in
China is China's business. Now, I can assure you, from
my personal notation of all the stuff I read, whether

(44:14):
it's true or not true, that we are not not
no country, no country is going to change China's internal politics.
So we can say goodbye to telling them about their
bad dealings with their people, with the Tibetans and all that,

(44:34):
because they will not move from that. Historically, that is
the case, even before communism, China was ruled in a
way that is alien probably to Western world. So you
can say goodbye to trying to change their mind. You

(44:55):
can talk to them about it, but it won't make
an iota of difference in my opinion. However, since we
are very much involved with trade with China, I think
we should be a little bit more circumspect about the
fact that we are. Now we've seen in America mister

(45:18):
Trump has come up with his pencil board of tariff
and mister Trump is now backing down, but he's not
quite backing down. What he's doing. He's picking off each
country one by one to see what he can extract
out of us. And that's that's the problem. The other problem,

(45:40):
the other thing I feel is that we will never
we New Zealand will never get a free trade agreement
with the United States of America. I don't know how
Australia's managed it, but they have. I don't think you
will get us to get one because we are.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
It doesn't have a free trade deal with the United States.

Speaker 17 (46:05):
Oh well, it said so in the paper the other day.
I thought that they're.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Currently and currently being hit by tariffs like the rest
of us.

Speaker 17 (46:15):
The same ten percent. But anyhow, I just feel that,
I mean, I buy like most people, I buy a
lot of goods that are made in China, and a
lot of rubbish comes out of China. I don't buy
the rubbish China stuff. I buy the good China stuff,
mostly clothing, and I find it very good. I wouldn't
be able to buy clothing from America because America can't

(46:39):
produce good quality clothing at the price that I could afford.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
So, Peter, if we take if we take economics out
of the situation, so clearly we have a very successful
trading relationship with China, and I'm not sure if it's
still sitting there. But last Vegas, the United States past
Australia in terms of our trading partners, but we're much
bigger with China. So if we're in that situation, that's

(47:05):
that's one part of it. But then there is the
defense part of it, and that kind of alliance, and
that is really where this discussion sits. It's between the
trade and the and the and the defense part and
where allegiances lie in that regard and that and that
is the very difficult line, isn't it. Peter, So, I mean, Phil, Sorry,

(47:27):
So how far do you think we should move towards
China for the economic gains and away from America? I
guess is the question?

Speaker 17 (47:36):
Well, I think we're already very much locked in economically
with them now. Whether we go any further or not, really,
I don't know how. You know, nobody could predict how
that how far we would be more reliant on them
that we already are. I do believe we are very
reliant on them buying our goods, and they like to

(47:58):
sell to us. When it comes to America. I know
that we do buy stuff from them, but if we
want to sell our primary produce to America, as you know,
it's pretty much we can sell stuff, but we can't
sell more. The farming lobby in America is extremely strong

(48:20):
and has been all the time that I've been taking
notice of it, and that's probably forty plus years.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
So they well did it. But we did export nine
billion dollars worth of meat essentially, while some of it
was meat, but a lot of it was meat awful.
So we're getting into the market a lot with that
with their meat awful into the United States at the moment.

Speaker 17 (48:42):
Yeah, I just feel that if we were wanting to
sell unlimited, I don't expect any country to take unlimited
primary produce from US. But if we wanted to double it,
that wouldn't I don't think that would happen because they
are very protectionists and there's more inside the United Staff.

(49:05):
We're always told that the United States is a free
and open society and it's a great place to do business. Well,
I've been looking at stuff in America, and it's not
within Internally in America, there's all sorts of things that
you cannot do to get your business cracking. I couldn't

(49:26):
believe it until I researched it and went, I wonder
if this is right. So I looked at it at
another angle. So even within their own country there's protection,
but from competitors in your same industry. Some states in
America have got protectionism against within their own state of

(49:49):
say three farmers wanting to enter the market, say with
a farmer's shop, and one of them was one of
them will be told, well, there's already two in the market,
and you could upset their profitability.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Yeah, exactly, Phil, Thank you very much for your cool.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
But a certain of information bias that we get because
we get absolutely every piece of information out of the
United States because it's free speeches in its constitution, So
you hear absolutely everything that's going on, every deal that's
going on. When something goes wrong, you hear about it.
Everyone talks about it on social media. That's what you
get from a free speech from a democracy. A lot

(50:30):
of corruptions happening in China, a lot of deals have
been done, a lot of stuff that would shock us.
We just don't know about it because there is no
free speech, so you just don't hear about it. So
a lot of people that are angry and complaining about
the United States of America. That is the function of
a democracy that you will hear all you'll see, all
the good and all the bad.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Yeah, I mean, he mentioned there. I'll pick this up
after the break, but he mentioned there the idea of
soft diplomacy, and this was an element that Halen Clark
tilted during the free trade agreement. But I'll pick that
up very shortly. It is seventeen past.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Two your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Tyler Adams
afternoons call eight hundred eighty ten eighty US talk ZIB.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Very good afternoon to you. We are talking about this
open letter that has been signed by Helen Clark, it
has been signed by Don Brash, and it's been signed
by Sir Jeffrey Palmer, among others that effectively take zame
at our foreign policy, at the government's foreign policy decisions,
Winston Peter's in particular. But they say that we are
losing our relationship with China to our detriment?

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Do you agree? Eight hundred eighty ten eighty And if
you textas pushing back on the previous caller, such as
this text of being saying the US is our largest
market for ground beef. Yeah, you know, we had berg
exports to them with that in the in the Offel
situation last year. So but I was, well, the question
I was actually thinking about is if we could in

(51:56):
the in the dream world, perfect world. Do people look
at this? If we had the opportunity to only trade
with democracies, would we take it? Because we are in
this horrible position in New Zealand are too What was
the saying that someone said before, you know, when elephants fight,
might skit trample. Yeah, we're in that situation now where
we have to trade with China and we need their

(52:19):
money and we need their trade, but we don't necessarily
like their politics. We've got America, we aligned with them historically,
we're a democracy politically aligned more or less depending how
you feel, but we don't trade with them as.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
Much diversify and that's a part of the India push
to get a free trade agreement, right, is that we
need more trading partners, and we need more free trading deals.
And at the moment, China is our most lucrative one.
So until we get some other deals across the line,
we are in a real complicated situation.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Glenn, your thoughts on this?

Speaker 18 (52:53):
Oh, look, gentlemen, this is a great topic, possibly the
most important topic facing our country in my view. Okay,
so I think for the future of our country, let's
hope that Our current prime minister listens to this advice
from these former leaders on his upcoming trip to Beijing. Look,

(53:17):
two thousand and eight, we're the first country to have
a free trade agreement with China. There's a lot of
other people who said they're now our biggest trading partner
by far, and it is it's a worry that whinst
Peters is positioned in New Zealand alongside the United States
is an adversary of China. Really, in my opinion, this

(53:39):
is crazy. You know, if China gets annoyed with US
and cancels our exports of dairy products, meat, forestry and fruit,
this could have catastrophic consequences. Our exports are worth twenty billion,
am I correct to China?

Speaker 6 (53:56):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (53:57):
And it was last year, yeah.

Speaker 18 (54:00):
Twenty twenty four. We also, as other people have said,
or you've said, we also do export a lot to
United States. Not forget that.

Speaker 6 (54:10):
But you know what.

Speaker 18 (54:13):
People took about democracy and you know, we've gone to
war over decades for the freedom of democracy. But I
wonder I've had a lot of good discussions with friends
over coffee about this. Is it the most is it
the best thing? The best? Is it always cracked up
to me, is what I'm trying to say. Can I

(54:33):
give an example, So the United States for eight years
have been trying to build a bullet train between Los
Angeles and San Francisco. They still haven't built this Shoka
And in those eight years, China, being a one party state,
have cracked on and have built thousands and thousands of

(54:57):
kilometers of train, bullet trains criss crossing their country. You know,
they get things done. I mean, you look at as
an example here and you sell it. I'm getting off
topics slightly, but they're going to build this rapid rail
from the airport the CBD right, labor is going to
do it. National gets in, they scrap it, and someone

(55:17):
goes back and forth, back and forth. Nothing gets done.
China would have had it built finished years ago.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Yes, so this is a good point, Glenn, But you've
just rung open. You've criticized the government. So you've had
taken an opposing opinion to what the current government in
New Zealand is doing under the system in China. Would
you feel comfortable to do that? And is that something
there was that something you'd be willing to give up
the right to criticize your government for the returns you

(55:45):
get an efficiency around infrastructure.

Speaker 18 (55:49):
Look, I think it is because the thing I think
this govern has unreasonably well. But the worst and the most
disastrous thing they've done is cracking are scrapping rather the
cook straight ferries roll on. They're on order from Korea,
purpose built. We needed them desperately and they scraped them.
You know, there's so many things I quite like Winston Peters.

(56:12):
I mean, I'm a super neuritan. He's the guy that
got us the Gold card. So I don't dislike Winston's fair,
you know what I mean, But I do think the
way he's you say, look the way he's sucking up
to Americans. The only people that have stood up to
the Yanks are Canada, Mexico and Ukraine. Might be wrong,

(56:33):
it might be others, but a lot of the countries
around the world, including us, we're all just bowing and scraping.
And to Trump's you call him a dictator, for sure.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
He's definitely not. I mean, he's definitely not a dictator. Glenn.
He was in the election, so he got more votes
in the opposition and he'll be out in four years.
I mean, there's absolutely no way. Trump is that you
might not like Trump, but he's involved in a democratic
process to the point where he's getting thwarted in a
lot of what he wants to do. He's not a
dictator like the Chinese Communist Communist Party is. He's not

(57:05):
being able to get his own way, just blanket. And
I think part of the problem is we only hear
the positive stories out of China because they they control
the message. But there's other analysis. And thank you so
much for your call, Glenn. We've just got to go
to an ad really appreciate man. But there's other analysis
that you can look into China about the population collapse
in China and a huge amount of problems in terms

(57:28):
of their what what they're dealing now, timu profits having
and such. There's there's a huge amount of problems in China.
You don't really hear about as much.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Yeah, and look to Glenn's point, and thank you very
much for it for your call, Glenn. But he did
say that China gets things done, and that is Glenn,
I'm not being facetious here, but that is advocating for
a dictator style operation. The dictators get things done. But
but at what cost.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Well, at the cost is you can't ring up new stills.
He'd be and complain about the government without getting a
knock on your door exactly twenty.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
Seven fast too, matd Heathen, Tyler Adams. Afternoons call Oh
eight hundred and eighty on News Talk ZV.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Good afternoon. We're talking about our relationship with China versus
our relationship with US and other format allies in terms
of a strategic partnership military partnership. It is based on
an open letter that has been signed by Helen Clark,
Don Brash, among others. It is addressed to our Prime Minister,
and it says we have moved away from China at

(58:30):
our own detriment.

Speaker 8 (58:31):
Do you know.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
I think it's really concerning, and I think why people
get so angry about this is the text like this,
Oh my god. If you don't think Trump is a dictator,
I suggest you ask the majority of Americans that question.
Just because he was elected democratically doesn't mean he's not
a dictator. Now, once again, no logic in what you're saying.
Give me one example of something dictatorial that he's done.
He's not a dictator, you know, That's what it says.

(58:56):
On certain social media to get you remaining on that
social media. That's how the algorithms work. But there's no
way you can say that that Trump is a dictator.
It's just not true. They ran an election, you know.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
And he got voted in. On the other side said
it is fair and open election and democracy, and it is.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
There's a Congress that can vote down his bills.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
There are disagreements in America, of course there is, but
it is still a democracy.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
There are judges that are shutting down Trump's agenda that
if this was China, those Trumps, those judges would disappear,
you know exactly. You try running an opposition party in China.
Let's see how you go.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
But it is it's this sort of language, you know,
it's a dictatorship in the year where so it's getting
back to nineteen thirty nine. It's it's sort of language
that gets promoted on social media and it is just lunacy.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
And that's so much. That's why I was kind of
horrified when I watched Helen Clark's interview with Samantha Hayes,
where she was saying things that were so overtly untrue
that it made me think, oh my God, they've even
got to an ex Prime Minister of New Zealand. She
has even been twisted by the algorithm to the point
where she believed things that are just so clearly untrue.

(01:00:17):
And look, Trump does that to him. He's a black hole.
People spin around him. That twists them. Trump arrangement syndrome
is a real thing. He warps people's minds to the
point now that people will say that you're an idiot
if you don't think he's a dictator. You don't have
to agree with them, you don't have to like. The
reason why you care about that, The reason why you
care about it, Texter, is because social media is generated

(01:00:40):
out of America, which practices the most robust free speech
rules in the world thanks to their constitution. So you
hear everything, everything dirty and disgusting out of America is
laid out for us to look at and pack over
and gossip about and get angry about. The reason why
you don't have the same amount of information coming out
of China that for you to be angry about is

(01:01:02):
because it's shut down because they're not a democracy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
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Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Ray Lean, I'm really concerned about the state of people's
minds because if you seriously think that the United States
isn't a representative democracy and that it is somehow analogous,
no matter how much you hate Trump, no matter how
much you hate Trump, if you think that America is
in a democracy in the same way that China is

(01:02:43):
in a democracy, I seriously suggest you get out of
whatever social media bubble or whatever group you're in and
have a look around and talk to some more things.
Because you are being played by the algorithm. You're being
played by people that gain from making you scared, and
you are spending more time being scared than you need
to be scared. Because America is still well and truly

(01:03:06):
absolutely a democracy. It's propaganda, I mean democracy, it's not
a pure democracy. Hey, guys, great chat. I think that
Trump thing is he can't be a dictator, but he
would love to be one. Well, that's a different issue.
That could be true. Yeah, I mean, and you don't
have to be a fan of Trump to say that
he's not a dictator. He's objectively not a dictator, whereas
China is objectively a one party country, whatever you think

(01:03:31):
about anything else.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
Yeah, good to clear that one up, Paul, how are
you not too bad?

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
Lets look quick quick one for you. This open letter
we've got yep, wouldn't make a difference if those people
that have got the names at the bottom of that
letter would say, receive one hundred and fifty thousand dollars
for their John hancoffs on the bottom of that document.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
Oh wow, I suppose it depends on who's who's writing
that check.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
So this is just a thought experiment.

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
Well not really. No, you're talking about Sergiffrey Palmer. There's
Chin and Tarma. That's the number one lobbyist you know
in the country. Right, You're talking about people that have
had previous leap unfitted access to the back doors of government.

Speaker 6 (01:04:16):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
These are people that put their names on something it
costs somebody some money. They are lobbyists, right, and you
know there is no two ways about it, right. But
further on from that, you know there are things that
you know, the average key we the average New Zealander
does not need to know with regards to you know,
our angoepecific security strategy, what we're doing without a space

(01:04:41):
you know, that's by no mistake that Rocket Lab have
got a six hundred percent year on year bloody earned
coming up for the next thirty years. Right, you know
when you look at it, and this is something that
will really ticked the box, right, and this is free
information available to anyone who wants to look it up.
Healium three, right, which is something that I hadn't heard
of until about two three weeks ago. Helium three is

(01:05:05):
being mined by China on the backside the moon has
done for the last twenty four months. That there is
something that would actually end our fossil fuels. No need
to have any more energy crisis anywhere in the world
than ext thousand years for the globe.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Well, Paul, I don't. I would have to look into that.
I don't know anything about that. I haven't heard anything
about China mining three of the moon. But if I
just go back a step, can you not imagine a
situation where some ex politicians get together and from opposite
ends of the aisle, and just because they love their
country and they care about the way it's going, and

(01:05:46):
that they have you know that they are experienced because
they have been in government and they have insights that
they might not just come together out of them, but
because they want to make the country a better place.
Because Paul, if you had that kind of influence, would
you and you had the ability to get media talking
about your point of view, and would you not take

(01:06:07):
that opportunity for the good of the nation to get
your point across you? Would you would?

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
You would need absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
No no, but you would do it without it. You
wouldn't need. I don't think you. I think this is
quite likely.

Speaker 4 (01:06:18):
With with you, with you, Winston, with back in Winston
and in due to columns and.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
Enough good on you one hundred percent, and you should.
But I just think even if you disagree with what
they have to say, I think there's a good chance
that Halen Clark, Don Brash and the other members of
this letter believe that what they are doing is right.
And and I mean I think it's more likely that
they're doing it for no financial financial game. I mean,

(01:06:45):
maybe maybe their motivations are as Whinston Peter says, to
remain relevant. Maybe there's that that could be an accusation
against against them, But I think it's more likely that
they're getting so much more likely that they're getting no
money and they just believe, rightly or wrongly, that this
is this that the country is going in the wrong direction,
and they want to have some influence on it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
Yeah, no, definitely not.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
No, b can't convince ball.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
I agree with you, man. I mean this is you know,
it's about ideology, right, is that these these particular people
appreciate your corporul Yeah, thank you very much, Paul, when
they're on different side of the fences here on Don
Brash and Helen Clark. But clearly they firmly believe that
US moving away from China and strengthening our times with
the US is to our detriment. But that is because
they firmly believe that for no, you know, no other

(01:07:28):
reason of needed for that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
And I'll just look up that Chinese mining on the
dark side of the Moon.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
Well, I had a look at helium three and there's
a lot of sources saying that it does exist on
the moon, and there is some efforts to try and
produce the technology to get up there and harvest it.
But I have yet to find any information about China
trying to get this helium three from the dark side
of the Moon. So we'll look into that and find

(01:07:54):
out oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. It is nineteen to three.

Speaker 5 (01:07:59):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks that'd.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
Be very good afternoons you. So the previous caller mention
this helium three that is believed to exist on the Moon.
So where he got his information from, as far as
I can tell, is a retired Air Force general. He
spoke to a podcaster but his name is Stephen Quast,
and he claimed that China had already started mining helium

(01:08:29):
three from the Moon. It is a rare form of
gas and NASA estimates that a million tons of it
is on the Moon. Scientists believe that helium three could
provide nuclear energy and a fusion reactor, but since it's
not radioactive, it would not produce dangerous waste. But he
made that claim to the Sean Ryan Show. So that

(01:08:50):
is where that information comes from. Whether he's a reliable
source just by himself as a retired US Air Force
lieutenant general, Well, you'd have to look into it further yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
Well, how great is that story that's been out this
week about and obviously he's been working out for a
long time. I forget his name, that's working on They
got the plasma going for the fusion on the steps.
What do you think he's got three more trials before
he thinks he can turn into react to and little
old New Zealand trying to get the dream of fusion going.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
What an absolute legend that guy is.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Hey, this ticks here. What a load of nonsense. I'm
only influenced by social media. How insulting? Well, you know,
it's just I don't I'm happy to insult people. I'm
watching Trump's dictator actions now. I have been studying him
since twenty seventeen. That is how I make my deductions.
Nothing to do with social media's opinion. It's my own
summarizing from watching his behavior for the last eight years.

(01:09:39):
It's you Trumps who can't change your cult light attitude.
I definitely want sale was a trumpet. That's ridiculous. But
what I'm saying is you can objectively show that Trump
is not a dictator. But China is a one party state,
and so if you believe that, then I seriously suggest
for your own mental health that you read outside of
the circles that you're reading and now and try and

(01:10:00):
challenge that view, because I worry, I worry for you
if you think Trump's a dictator. I just, seriously, seriously,
I think thing that we all need to get outside
of our bubbles and read more stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
The information is insidious, isn't it as really insidious? But
thank you very much for that text, Nat show you
want to have a chat about Winston Peters.

Speaker 16 (01:10:21):
Yeah, how are you guys for Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Good for a Friday mate, how are you? Oh good?

Speaker 16 (01:10:25):
Thank you good. I'll keep it so. There's probably other
people wanted to get on heavy on as well, but
I just I think Winston Peter for some Winston Peter's
for someone who's been in politics for as long as
he is, he can he can certainly cut up with
the best of them, and he can. He gave the
Married Party a bit of a serious yesterday, and I
thought it was quite enjoyable. When he called the leader

(01:10:48):
of the Married Party. He kept going on about how
he had his cowboy head on and he and and
he didn't like because he was, you know, he'd been colonialized.
And I just I just thought Winston Peters, it was
it was a good series, you know, and he ended
up having to apologize to a point of water or
whatever happened there. You know, he ended up offering up

(01:11:09):
an apology, but you know, he kind of gaves them
a good serve and it's just, you know, it just
goes to show that Onst Peter's has been around all
this time and they can still swing with the best
of them, you know, give as good as he gets.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
And what was this comment, Tyler? What was sorry, Natio Tyler?
What was on Peter's comment pushing back on this letter
from people including Don Brash and Helen Clark.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
So he said, I quote, this is the direct quote.
I see no value in indulging the tight arguments of
various former politicians or official officials who appeared to be
suffering from relevant deprivation syndrome.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
I mean, he's got a quick that shuts people down.
It doesn't necessarily address the contents of the letter. But
but Naco, he's always got he's always he's very quick
asn't he He's eighty and he's as quick as ever.

Speaker 16 (01:11:53):
Yeah, yeah, it was just yeah, it was just I
just happened to see a little TikTok video that popped
up on my social media and I sat there and
watched it for a couple of minutes, and it was
it was just so entertaining in one sense, but you know,
it kind of gives them a serve and one. But look,
I don't I don't think we have to follow China.
You know, if they don't want our more or if
I don't want our meat, well plenty of other countries

(01:12:15):
it will take our take our meat, and take our wine,
and take our probably not probably not as much as
what China takes, but you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
Know, we'll go to diversifying, right, That's that is an
important strategy if you can make that work, and hence
why our Prime minister made a big play for India
and are certainly making big plays for free trade agreements
with other countries. That's all about diversifying and if we
can do that, then we're all the better for it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
But that is difficult to do. Yeah, well, that's what
That's why I'm trying to say. I think that there's
no often in these situations, there is no right answer.
There's just trade offs, right, and we're currently as we've
been saying for this whole hour, and I fear we
never quite got to the conversation that we wanted to have,
but probably because the bigger elephant of the room was

(01:13:01):
just the difficult position that New Zealand's in between historical
allies and dealing with the democracy of the United States
of America with all its problems, and there's no doubt
there's corruption and there's a horror show an American democracy,
it's all laid bare. But against China that we wouldn't
even recognize how that's run. We would not like it.

(01:13:23):
And I think there's a big problem coming if there's
ever any an invasion of Taiwan, and you know, some
people have been saying it's been geared up to some
people are putting a date like the you know, twenty
twenty eight, twenty twenty nine, who knows, who knows what
will happen, But that's going to put us in an
incredibly terrible position if China should invade Taiwan. I mean,

(01:13:45):
I don't even know what's going to happen under those circumstances.
So it's all about where the line goes towards our
defense of allegiance with the Western Bloc, and how far
we have to compromise that to keep trading with China
exactly so we can paye our bills.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
And Judith Collins, whatever you may think personally, a Judith Colin,
she is switched on person and she has seen intelligence
that we are not seen and talking to counterparts in
other parts of the world, and some of the language
she was using in terms of the need to increase
that budget for a military. You know, I put a
lot of trust into the intelligence that she's seen that

(01:14:23):
we cannot see on the value of doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
But great discussion. Well, a lot of people are texting
through I've got to answer this on nine two ninety
two saying that people can be elected and then become dictators.
That's absolutely true, but it's not through democracy that they
become dictators. It's a subversion of democracy right now and
right now in America objectively speaking, there is a representative

(01:14:47):
democracy going on, yeah with you know, and we don't
understand the powers that a president has, which is different
from what we have in New Zealand because we've got
a different form of democracy than they do. But they
have they give special powers to the president and commander
in chief, head of the executive branch that we don't
really understand here, but it is democracy and it's not

(01:15:09):
a one party state like China, and we're.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
Going to have to keep saying it because you're up
against the algorithms on social media.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
I'm not pretty powerful.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
Great discussion, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
If you're getting your politics from TikTok, then then I
fear for yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
Is nine to three, the issues that affect you and
a bit of fun along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons news talks'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
Afternoon. It is six to three.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
It's quad a good text from any here, Matt and Tyler.
So after Winston's words, I take it he won't comment
after retirement.

Speaker 4 (01:15:43):
He will.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
He will. He'll be commenting till his last breath, that's
for sure. Absolutely good text. Yeah, anyway, let's put that conversation.
But it was a very good conversation, wide ranging, challenge.
Enjoyed it. Now let's take this conversation to finish the earth.
I want to take it back in part into the past.
And like this, AI is terrifying. There's a lot of
stuff that it's doing that we don't like, but there's

(01:16:05):
also a lot of fantastic stuff that it's doing. Out there.
It's hugely entertaining and if you spend any time of
the wall on the internet, you see that the vox
pop has made a huge return and people just going
ask people on the street for content. So this person
decided to run through AI. It comes with a video,
but the audio is good enough, asking people doing vox

(01:16:28):
pops with people from the fifteen hundreds in England and
the fifteen hundreds. So it's created a video asking AI
to generate what people would say if there were asked
questions on the streets in the fifteen hundreds. What's lifelike
for you right now?

Speaker 18 (01:16:42):
Woke up, stepped in, done, got taxed and that was
before breakfast.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
Do you enjoy your work?

Speaker 14 (01:16:50):
Eh?

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
It's honest work and no one talks back. What do
you think of King Henry?

Speaker 14 (01:16:58):
Oh, well, he's very committed to.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Marrying. How's the health situation looking?

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Everyone I saw yesterday is dead today. So how do
you respond to the witch accusations? If I were a witch,
you'd already be a frog.

Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
What's the biggest challenge for a noble woman these days?

Speaker 16 (01:17:23):
Three hours to get dressed and still no pockets?

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
That's business flower shortage.

Speaker 14 (01:17:32):
The oven is cursed and rats, lots of rats.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
What's life like for a farmer right now?

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
Hard work, saw back, but the soil is good this year.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Might even eat something with meat next week. It's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
So good, isn't it so good? But it makes you
thankful for living? And twenty twenty five, I've got to say.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
It's to be here. It's kind of bitter when you
can see the doctor they're talking to as the plague
doctor and one of those plague masks and one of
the people they're talking to as an executioner. But it's
very good. There's some good stuff coming out of AI.

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
Yep, absolutely right. Coming up after three o'clock, we want
to talk about the greatest New Zealand coach of all time.
There's been some fantastic texts that have come through, but
really can to get your view on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty it is four minutes to three.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
New Sport and Weather coming up, and don't forget Tyler.
We'll be announcing the Matt and Tyler afternoons New Zealander
of the Week. Oh yeah, that is coming next.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
Your new homes are instateful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
Sebby afternoon, Welcome back into the show, seven past three
on a Friday. Right, we're going to have a chat
very shortly about New Zealand's greatest coach of all time
sporting coach of courses on.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
The back of Gary Steared.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
He has retired and his replacement has been named Rob Walter,
former South Africa Otago in Central District, Bosford. No doubt
Gary Stead one of the greatest coaches of all time.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
Yeah, you've got to say, I mean winning that Test
series in India, that was phenomenal, winning the World Test Championship.
He's had an incredible amount of success in his times
as coach. He's stepping down and you know who, you
can't blame him that. The stress and the workload of
being a cricket coach across all three formats in New

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Zealand is.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
Phenomenal, absolutely, but it's at a great job.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
There might be an argument that he's the most successful
cricket coach in New Zealand's history. So I would say
that Mike Heessen. I personally think Mike Kessen was a
more a transformative coach yep. I feel like he turned
New Zealand cricket round and that Gary Stead was smart
enough to follow on with a lot of what Mikeysen

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had done. But that's by the bye. Let's think get
into it. We want to talk about across the board.
It's boarded out to who is New Zealand's greatest ever
coach across all codes?

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
Yeap oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call love to hear your thoughts on. This
is going to be a fun chat, but right now
it is eight past three.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
Every Friday on Matt and Tyler Afternoons on ZB we
name the New Zealander of the Week and honor that
we bestow on your behalf to a newsmaker who has
had an outsized effect on our great and beautiful nation
over the previous seven days. As always, there'll be three nominees,
but only one winner. And remember, as I say every week,
like the Time magazine Person of the Year, the New
Zealand of the Week isn't always an agent of good.

(01:20:45):
So without further ado, the nominees for Matt and Tyler
Afternoons New Zealand of the Week are nominee one also
gets the time to poople get off the Poty Award.
She's in the news again this week. Do we knock
her down? Do we work out a one hundred year
lease so someone can knock her into shape? Or do
we bankrupt ourselves keeping her from becoming stinky, rotten and gross.
You are beautiful, We love you, but two million dollars

(01:21:06):
a year to keep you close as freaking crazy chateau
tonguereo fast becoming the shitto tonguerero. You are nominated for
New Zealander of the Week. Gone. Nominee two also gets
the looks a lot like a hot Yoda Award. He
has written some of our greatest songs Welcome Home, Be Mine, Tonight,

(01:21:27):
Slice of Heaven. He's had his health issues, but that
isn't stopping him just yet. You will not see a
better sing along live show. Sir Dave Dobbin for being
a musical genius and a legend for decades and for
absolutely ripping the Auckland Town Hall. And you won this week.
You are nominated for New Zealander of the Week. Yeah
to Dave, all right, but sadly there can be only

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one and the winner also gets the explosively heartwarming award.
There is a new crematorium coming to Havelock North. Some
want at some don't. But what a caller to Matton
Tyler Uffnu's wife wanted was a glass coffin. That wasn't possible,
So this great New Zealander lovingly put several of lacquer
on her casket. It was a thing of beauty. It

(01:22:12):
was a fitting tribute to a lovely lady. It also
exploded when it went into the oven for overlacquering your
wife's coffin and blowing the bricks out the back of
the crematorium. Call it Tony, you ah the met antyla
afternoons new Zelander of the week.

Speaker 6 (01:22:28):
Take it away, howie.

Speaker 15 (01:22:29):
Whoo, congratulations Tony, give him a taste of peeweed, God
bless God speed, and blow the bricks out of the
back of that granatorium.

Speaker 8 (01:22:42):
Your beauty, Tony, she's always one of the glass coffin,
so I had to do the next best thing. When
I built it, there was pale tank, but there was
twenty two coats of clear lacquer on it and it
looked like glass. When they put it on the cremator,
it went off like a bomb. They were gonna build

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me for it. I said no, no. I mean the
Undertaker knew what was done, and it was him that
presented the coffin to you. I know, you're not allowed
to have guns or ammunition or anything. That twenty two
coats of clear lacker is also very explosive.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
Far out ye yeah, blew the brooks out bricks.

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
Yeah, yeah, what do you think he said that is?

Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
I mean, that is a heck of a story to finish.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
But bless yeah. But just the torpedo like vision of that,
and I thought he said, some bless you. But it
blew the It blew the bricks out.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
Okay, Brack, Yeah, Mattie and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:23:46):
World done, Tony, very well deserved.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
And you've got to say, what a what a feel
to keep Gary Stead out of the you know, he
wasn't even nominated, no, after such a fantastic tenure with
the black Caps.

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
But maybe next week, Gary, maybe next week.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
Well he didn't lack her up a coffin to the
point that blow up a crematorium, so you know, he's
not going to be in contention this week. Maybe another week.

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
He got through exactly exactly it was tough nominations this week,
all right, and that is what we are chatting about,
not Tony blowing up the crematorium, but about New Zealand's
greatest coach of all time. Gary Stead has stepped down
as black Caps coach across all disciplines and his replacement
has been announced. But we want to take it wider
than that. Who is the greatest sporting coach of all

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time across every discipline, whether that is over the Olympics.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
The rugby, leg cricket, netball, Yeah eight hundred how oh.

Speaker 3 (01:24:39):
My god, geez, you haven't done that for we will no,
so you get a Blackie Award, yeah, And then this
sort of behavior slips back in won a.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
Few awards last night with my previous radio station. I
just gave the number out, boy boy, how long have
we doing the show? Titus? Six months? So this is
why I never win New Zealander of the Week. Six
months in this shob, I'm still giving another radio station's number.
I'm an idiot ten eighty. The conversation. You know you
don't look, Just ring up and we'll discuss who you
think the best coaches. Maybe it's the sport you love.

(01:25:08):
Maybe you're not one hundred percent sure about it. We'll
just have the conversation because it's one of these one
of these subjective things, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
It is absolutely Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. Let's get into it.
It's thirteen past three, good afternoon, sixteen past three, and
we've asked the question, who is the greatest sporting coast
New Zealand has ever seen?

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
Yeah? Gary Stead has retired. Well he that's complicated, but anyway,
he's no longer the coach, yes, yeah, because they wanted
a coach that does all three codes, all three formats
of the game. So he's no longer. I think he's
been a fantastic coach for the black Caps and what
a great New Zealand is great eyebrows sometimes they're longer,
sometimes very look looks a bit like pikachuw yep. But

(01:25:53):
fantastic coach, absolutely, But who is the greatest coach of
all time across all codes? And it's a very hard
question to answer.

Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty, but we're going
to discuss it dead.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 19 (01:26:07):
Hey guys, Actually, how you're all doing?

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
Very good. Hey, that was simultaneous.

Speaker 19 (01:26:11):
Til yeah, how can you choose? How can you choose?
I mean I had a very only thought in my
head was which coaches have taken teams to the World
Cups okay full times and won them and are really

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coaching the most visible codes? And I mean, how can
you pass Nolan Toto?

Speaker 7 (01:26:39):
Her?

Speaker 19 (01:26:41):
She's dame, She's huge, she continues, She's come back what
three times?

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
Now?

Speaker 19 (01:26:46):
They keep bringing you back because she's a legend. Steve Hanson,
there's just there's no point in talking about him. Everybody
knows that he's just the greatest of all time in
his code. And and then you've got the the women's rugby,
you know, and what Wayne Hanson did there was just phenomenal.
So not Wayne Hanson, Wayne's.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
It's an interesting It's an interesting question because criteria is
an important part of it, isn't it? Because you could say,
with Steve Hanson, right, fantastically successful coach, but what a
team he had underneath him. You've got your Richmally because
your care and Reeds, you droon Kino's, you Ben Smith's,
your Dan Carter's. That was a hell of a team
he was coaching and sometimes.

Speaker 19 (01:27:32):
It was a crazy time in terms of choice.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
Yeah, That's why I've got a lot of time for
Mike Hessen because he had a lot of talent and
the black Cats, but he turned around and recreated and
it was transformative coach. So you think Nolan Toto is
a more significant Letble coach than Lowis Muir, Yes, I.

Speaker 19 (01:27:51):
Do, because she's current and she's modern.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:27:54):
Yeah, And I mean you can go back years and
years and years and pull out coaches some previous years
right for codes all over the world. But you're the
problem with that is that they were modern and that
they were they were coaching in their time. But today
what we're dealing with is modern sport as a completely
different base. Acts if you put them into the modern time,

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may not do as well as what they had done
back then, you know. I mean they're all amazing people.
I just think that some people have that X factor as.

Speaker 3 (01:28:26):
Well and the face of adversity for Noline as well.
I mean when she's interviewed and what she's gone through
and the pressure that was put on her, she has
been phenomenal.

Speaker 19 (01:28:35):
Yeah, And I mean she's had her bad times and
her good times, so she hasn't just been this icon
when it's all been roses and fantastic. She'd come in
when we were at our lowest and gone back down
there but built it back up. And she's not only
done it based on her success, she's also done it
with models and processes and really smart, intelligent theory. And

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you know, she's not just the player. She does everything.

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
You know, there's more than just inheriting a team that's
already functional and doing very very well and then continuing
it on. So yeah, that's that's the sort of that
what what makes a great coach.

Speaker 19 (01:29:13):
And I mean and she brought Amelia here. It's a
good example about bringing players through as those coaches Amelia
around their canascio.

Speaker 4 (01:29:21):
You know.

Speaker 19 (01:29:22):
I mean, she recognized her talent from her time in
Australia and said we want this girl, and she got
her over here and got her playing in New Zealand.
Now she would never have got into the Timonds. That's
only a little example, but you know, I just how
do you choose? So Jane Smith is amazing. Look what
he's done for women's rugby.

Speaker 3 (01:29:40):
Winesmith is an incredible coach here.

Speaker 19 (01:29:42):
Now and and how he helped that team build their
own persona incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
Now in the world of netty, you've got to say
Australian national coach Normal Plumber in her day was surely
the most terrifying coach anywhere in the world ever, of
any sports. Yeah, side of normal, it's funny when you
see a smile, you know, she's got a beautiful smile.

Speaker 19 (01:30:09):
I was listening to Von Millarding the other day talking
with one of the AZ Premiership things while it was
on down South. Still mystics, I think, and she is.
She is still terrifying as well, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
I mean, you've got to be terrifying to be a
netball coach. There's something about it. There's there's something about
the netball world that I find quite scary when when
I've been down to multiple net courts. It's a harsh
it's a harsh world.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
If you're not an iron lady, you're not going to
achieve much.

Speaker 19 (01:30:38):
Harsh When you're dealing with hundreds and hundreds of women
on a daily basis, you're probably about right.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
Actually, yeah, And it's always it's played in the initial
stages in a cauldron of just lots and lots of
courts and you know, small courts and a tight area,
often on tarmac, and it's never canceled because of the weather. Yeah. Anyway,
I thank you so much you called to ever really
appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
Thank you very much. O. One hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call who is the greatest
sporting coach of all time in New Zealand? And Look,
it's hard to pick a winner here, but we're keen
who you want to try and promote in nine nine two.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
There's a few techs coming through as well. Yeah, and
look there's someone that we're going to go to after
the break that is suggesting a coach, famous coach which
with a family connection to me.

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
Yeah, there is twenty two pars three.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
Okay, well very loose one. I'll take it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news Talk zby.

Speaker 3 (01:31:42):
We're talking about the greatest ever sporting coach in New
Zealand and Kenny get your views on at eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. So it was quite the teas
before the break, Matt, you mentioned there's a few techs
and callers suggesting this particular person who has a family
connection to yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
Well, yeah, let's not spoil it, Malcolm, welcome to the show,
your coach.

Speaker 8 (01:32:04):
You can go on forever.

Speaker 7 (01:32:05):
And you've got guys like Russy Robinson, who else we
got Fred Allen, et cetera, et cetera. But I'm a
bit of an old bugger, and I'd probably say the
greatest coach I've either had to deal with or know
about it is probably up a Lidiady. People would even
not a lot of people would even know who he was,
but he.

Speaker 20 (01:32:25):
Snell absolutely when then he had that went to Norway
and coached that Norwegian guy and he won the five
thousand and ten thousand, so you know, and he coached
dozens of athletes and but still using his methods.

Speaker 7 (01:32:41):
Today even you know, you look to talk about Wayne Smith,
you talk about you know, I'm a rugby coach myself,
but what we and netball coaches you can talk about them.

Speaker 4 (01:32:52):
But what Arthur Lyddiy did was probably.

Speaker 7 (01:32:54):
Second to none. Yeah, and he did it for about ten,
ten fifteen years.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
Yeah, absolutely leading gold medals. Now you know you said
that some people probably don't even heard about him. I
have because guess what, Malcolm, Yes, what the last name
of my partner is Lydia really and is she.

Speaker 18 (01:33:14):
Related to him?

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
Yes? Absolutely awesome the Lydia family and close to the
Lydiad shoes company as well. Wow, yeah isn no, but
we are going down to the Pola to Poe in
Topol tomorrow to run this kind of six hour relay situation.
But it's awesome. But being a Lydia, she's always asked

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if she's a runner, and I think she's just decided
to not be a runner just to sort of prove
people wrong. Although well, I say that she is being
involved in the six hour relay with me, so you
know that's that's a certain amount of running.

Speaker 4 (01:33:47):
But she would know how great he was.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
Absolutely yeah, so no, they're very proud of that. Of Arthur.

Speaker 7 (01:33:58):
She would totally agree with me.

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
Then, yeah, she would totally agree with here. But she's
also shockingly bys so I think, of course you're not. No,
of course I'm not. How you thank you so much
for your call, Malcolm.

Speaker 3 (01:34:12):
And there's a heck of a lot of texts coming
through for Arthur Lydiard as well.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
I see is liliad okay?

Speaker 14 (01:34:18):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
So it's just not not not not just my partner? Yeah,
alligences as well, Malcolm my partner and A.

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
Carl how are.

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
You hey good?

Speaker 21 (01:34:34):
I think someone is probably equally and he's still alive.
I've done a bit of an AI thinger Met was
alluding to AI. But this guy, I'll name the guy
named the guys that he's coached. This guy's coach numerous
Olympic middleists living the sisters right, Marke Drisdale, Nicky Cole,

(01:34:58):
hey hey much fond and Erck Murray, and I think
Big he's probably one of those. Yeah, he is controversial coach,
he doesn't seem to get himself out there, but he's
one of the helboo five times as the coach of
the year end. I think he's probably one of those
guys that really produces the goods. But I mean, you know,

(01:35:20):
I remember watching Pamous, Bondon and Murray say that they
hated training with him to get the very best, and
I think that's what the whole aim of it. Coaches
producer goods. So he's he's got six gold medal. I
think he goes on it mostly because he's not always

(01:35:42):
in the media, and he he's got this mistique about
him and he's yeah, so I think that Tonks is
probably up there with Martha Lydiat.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
Yeah so he he got a silver meta himself, didn't he, Yeah,
back in the day. And yeah, so okay, like I'm
just looking at here. He's been involved in thirteen gold medals.
Coach for thirteen gold medals. That's pretty no, no, sorry,
that's world championship medals. I got that wrong. Yeah, you're right,
a total of seven Olympic medals, six of which were gold.

(01:36:10):
That's I mean, coaching to six gold medals is quite something,
isn't it.

Speaker 21 (01:36:15):
And And like because Rick Bey and that we get
a lot of profile on the ball, but I mean
he's one of those reluctant guys to come to the
you know, jump in front of the camera. And I
think he's also been named as World Ruins Coach of
the Year three times. Yeah, so he's he's he's pretty
up there, and I thought, you know, he's probably needs

(01:36:37):
to Yeah, in my eyes, he's probably on the same
part as Lydia's.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
Yeah, well, good on you, Carl. And what a name,
Dick Tonks.

Speaker 3 (01:36:45):
That's a great name. But I'm just reading up on,
you know, and Hamish Bond and Eric Murray both talked
about some pretty uh you know, argie bargie times with
Dick Tonks. But I'm just reading this article here, so
Hamish Bond said. Tonks wasn't impressed by him or teammate
Eric murray A for asking to complete a training session
in christ toch so he could spend time with his
girlfriend before they went overseas. This was in twenty twenty.

(01:37:06):
We ended up getting called back into the Eric and
I that afternoon by the Rowing New Zealand manager and
basically Dick stormed into the room tours strips off us.
He caught us every word that could possibly come into
his mind. Arrogant mother sea word, just tour into us.
I don't know what he thought. Eric got racked up
and got into a physical altercation. It was tough times,
so you go, but he got results.

Speaker 2 (01:37:29):
Well, and he would have been about seventy at that point. Yeah,
firing up with that kind of language and Eric's a
big boy. Well what do you do you That's an
interesting thing. That's it's kind of a modern discussion now
because there's often chats about the type of coaching you do.
Are you a coach that screams and yells at your
you know the people you're coaching to get results, or
do you have a more sort of inclusive discussion with them. Yeah,

(01:37:53):
Dick Tonk sounds like he's a screamer, and you know,
and now these days, if you're coaching and you're yelling
at screaming, actually there's often a opportunity might be accused
of bullying. Yeah, it is true. But we're in my
incredibly lame sporting career. I always I was responded to
being screened at. Yeah it works man. My coach Carl Dikell,

(01:38:14):
my basketball coach. Boy, oh boy, would he rip me
a new one?

Speaker 3 (01:38:17):
That's another great name, Carl Dickkell. Yeah, yeah, oh on
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number to call.
Who is the greatest sporting coach in New Zealand? And
your eyes love to hear from you? It is twenty nine.

Speaker 18 (01:38:27):
To four.

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(01:38:54):
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Back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:39:50):
Thank you very much, Raylan. We're talking about the greatest
sports coaches New Zealand has had in your eyes. On
the back of Gary Steed stepping down altogether as Black
Caps coach? What is or who is the greatest New
Zealand coach of all time?

Speaker 14 (01:40:05):
A weight?

Speaker 3 (01:40:05):
One hundred eighteen eighty is the number calls?

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
And how are you sure?

Speaker 10 (01:40:10):
Very yeah, happy happy fly to you. Yeah yeah, coaches
and all the people involved with sports and his day,
it goes a long way.

Speaker 3 (01:40:18):
Yeah, one hundred percent. And who do you reckon?

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
Who is it for you? Man?

Speaker 10 (01:40:23):
I was thinking Gordon pititions but now mate, after Olivia last,
Olivia has got it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:28):
Mate, Malcolm won and obviously Matt's connection and you know
that helps a little bit as well well.

Speaker 10 (01:40:36):
The seventh ornament for a long time, bro, but then
they just lost it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
He was another tough coach, wasn't he, Jason?

Speaker 6 (01:40:41):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:40:42):
And I get there can be an element with a
lot of coaching at that elite sport level, but no
doubt about it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:47):
He was you know, he worked as players.

Speaker 10 (01:40:50):
Hard promoted, promoted the team, bro, He promoted our black
fern bro.

Speaker 22 (01:40:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:56):
Yeah. He was famous for training people so hardy. But
you know, seven's so important fitness and so he was
very very focused on speed bro. Yeah mate, yeah, speeding
fitness and he would push posh people to they throw up.
He's famous. Anyone that's been trained with him would end
up throwing up at.

Speaker 9 (01:41:13):
The end of it.

Speaker 6 (01:41:16):
World.

Speaker 2 (01:41:16):
Yeah, yeah, thank you so much. Jason. Yep, he's got
to be in the conversation there. Yeah, old man Titchens, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:41:24):
Absolutely. Now there's a few texts here for the greatest
All Blacks coach of all time, which comes in obviously
to the greatest sporting coach. A couple of texts for
Sir Brian Law obviously obviously got the World Cup in
nineteen eighty seven, but in terms of tess, winds not
high when you look at the likes of Steve Hansen

(01:41:47):
and Sir Graham Henry.

Speaker 2 (01:41:49):
But can you get your views O one hundred eighty
and eighty Yeah, but I think as I was saying
before this, and how do you quantify it? Because if
you are transforming or team or coaching a team that
didn't have maybe the stars that it needed, but somehow
you brought them together to be a unit bigger than
the sum of their parts. Yeah, then can you be

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held up against someone who inherited great players? Because you
could argue that anyone could have coached the Richie McCaw,
Karen Reid, Jern Kano, Ben Smith, Dan Carter Era Rugby.
Yeah and done very very well. Yeah. So then yeah,
I mean that is look at that. Look at the
twenty fifteen World Cup team. Yeah, I mean that is

(01:42:34):
a crazy team. Absolutely.

Speaker 6 (01:42:36):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:42:36):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Love your thoughts on the greatest sporting coach in New Zealand?
It is twenty two to four.

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
Where are the grizz right Wiley fans out there? Where
are the grizz Wiley fans?

Speaker 1 (01:42:47):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
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Speaker 3 (01:42:54):
News Talks'd be good afternoon, and we're talking about the
greatest sporting coach New Zealand has ever seen. In your view,
obviously it is objective for getting some great texts coming through.

Speaker 2 (01:43:04):
Do we consider coaches who have had to go overseas
to coach in their sport because it's barely rerecks in
New Zealand like Jason locked and Beach volleyball coach teams
to Olympic gold medals, but not in New Zealand. We
just don't fund or develop the sport here. I'm sure
there are others. Yeah, we allow them, any of them.
It's your criteria to be argued. Yep. You know you
could be as I said before, you can be really

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successful with a great team, or you can turn an
average team to become a very successful team, or an
obscure sport into a success. All these kind of things.
People might think McCullum as well in the cricketing realm.
He's never coached in New Zealand, but certainly coaches overseas.
Is Gey week bas Ball. That's a good point. Yeah,
I mean you've got to say he'd be one of
the most successful New Zealand culture coaches in terms of

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how much money is Yeah, exactly, Brady, very well here
do you reckon?

Speaker 23 (01:43:52):
Yeah, I agree with the earlier ones in terms of
after Lydiard, Like I think, yeah, pretty much can't go
past after Lydiard. We've got with your deck Tonks and
now I guess gorda Walker with the kayaking Maker, Yeah,
had run for some level and I think it's not Yeah,
well it's not just Lisa though, right, Like he's you know,

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you think Lydiad had snow, but then it created a
group and Gordy's done that, Dick Tonks has done that.
But I think the reason why Arthur pips them is
Arthur pretty much invented fitness, like like he invented every
sport and that needs endurance uses his principles, and that

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is Dick Tonks, that is Gordy Walker, it's horse racing.
They trained horses after Lydiard's way like it, which is
a long run, two hard sessions, you know, like the periodization.
So he kind of invented, like you're just fitness in general.

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
That's interesting because I love I love with the Lydiad
and she is always hastening to me to go to
the gym or go for a run. So runs in
the family. She's in the blood. I hadn't never thought
about that. Why she's constantly hassling me over fitness. It's
in the blood for the family genetics. But you one
hundred percent. Right back back in the day, people didn't
really think it was a good idea to train a
lot for fitness. They thought that there was this belief

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that you only had so many heart beats in your
life and if you're wasting too many of them getting
getting to exerting yourself too much, you might run out
of them. They didn't realize that your heartbeats slowed down
once you were fit, so it was better to do
this stuff. But people weren't pushing themselves to the limits
that Lydia had pushed people to until.

Speaker 23 (01:45:38):
Even even boxing. Like I listened to a podcast with
Mike Tyson and he spoke about that on a Sunday
here to hit the heavy bag for two hours without stopping,
which is your Sunday long run, you know, like it.
So yeah, like every single sport that needs any endurance
as his aeries. And but then and then you think

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of new coaches in New Zealand and you've got you know,
Eugene Berriman City kickboxing pretty yeah, very.

Speaker 2 (01:46:06):
Successful, I mean into in terms of high profile, I mean.

Speaker 23 (01:46:11):
And getting like lydiad was really a cheap code, like
he invented something no one new, so his athletes were
just phenomenal at the time, where Eugene Berryman might be
more of a guy who can get.

Speaker 22 (01:46:23):
In your head.

Speaker 2 (01:46:24):
I often think often thinking about the Fosbury Fosbury flop
in that regard, and you come up with a new
thing and then you have an advantage for a while. Yeah,
but you know those techniques of Lydia, they went on
to be used, you know, not directly by him, but
you know John Walkers.

Speaker 23 (01:46:41):
Now there's yeah, et Lorraine Moller, you know, all of
them came throughout his principles. And it's only now the
earlier callers in Norway it was actually Finland and unless
a varn who he was meaning, But yeah, there's it's
only now the Norwegian runners is a new the Norwegian way,
which looks like the first time since the sixties that

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something might change.

Speaker 2 (01:47:06):
The Yeah, all right, and what is that exactly?

Speaker 13 (01:47:11):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (01:47:12):
Precisely?

Speaker 12 (01:47:12):
Sorry, it's.

Speaker 23 (01:47:16):
Double like never putting yourself right in to say six
gear always been one gear back, but training twice a day,
hard and really slow like these the guy Ainger bretton
the fifteen hundred meter runner it's and then the Norwegian
triathlete they use it, the guy that won the Olympics

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and behaved one tom.

Speaker 1 (01:47:38):
Is that like?

Speaker 3 (01:47:39):
Is that like zones bread that they talk about now
you get into the different zones.

Speaker 23 (01:47:42):
Yeah, it's some lapt they test. Yeah, they tested blood
and stuff to know when to train next and yeah, noise.

Speaker 2 (01:47:51):
Yeah, literally wasn't testing anyone's blood. Yeah, I was talking
about Dick Fosbury. You know, the Fostbury flot in the
ninety sixty eight Summer Olympics in Mexico. So Dick just
comes up with this idea of going backwards over the
high jump and no one has been doing that. Yeah,
and so for one year he's the greatest, wins the
gold medal. But he's not the best at it. He's
just the first that came up for it, and I
came up with it. Everyone was still using the old scissor,

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and then everyone else and then yeah, next thing you know,
everyone's doing the Fosbury Fop and Dick Fosbury is not
not the best person at the Fosbury Fop anymore, but
he was the first on it. Great legal he won
that goal. Yes, he's still got the name on it.
I love that there's a few teas coming through for
this crazy idea that to just go I'm going to
go backwards over it work from though, I mean, he's

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absolutely but it's almost like a crazy professor as well
as well. But you can see what it took. Nineteen
mid nineteen sixties for anyone to think of it.

Speaker 3 (01:48:40):
Yeah, there's a few teas coming through for Arch Jelly,
Arch Jelly, fantastic coach, one of our greatest athletics coach,
the likes of John Walker and Hamish Carson. Yet certainly
be up there, Tony, Hello, mates, mates.

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
Who do you reckon?

Speaker 6 (01:48:59):
I reckon Gordon Walker.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 6 (01:49:04):
So I mean just one during each time at the moment.
Six Olympic gold medals and ten world titles.

Speaker 2 (01:49:11):
Yeah, that's pretty good, isn't it.

Speaker 6 (01:49:13):
I mean, and they were recognized this year to help
with awards the Coach and Athletes of the decade. And
notwithstanding the likes of Steve Hanson, Dan.

Speaker 2 (01:49:25):
Nolan, yeah, Tom yep.

Speaker 6 (01:49:28):
And also you know the partnership with with Lisa Carrington,
and also Arthur Olidiad and Peter Snow, Jimmy and John
Walker and Thoms and he's various rowers. So that's my
my vote Gordon Walker. Result.

Speaker 2 (01:49:47):
Thank you so much Tony for that. Yet there's a
few coming through for Gordon Water. I mean, just the
sheer success and it's not just Lisa Carrington that he coaches,
but the sheer success he said with Lisa Carrington's enough
to to definitely get you in the conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:49:57):
Ye go in the boat, Uh, Simon, what's your thoughts?

Speaker 21 (01:50:04):
Well?

Speaker 22 (01:50:05):
I met Arthur Lydiad. He was the full pack, you know,
he had aura and charisma, drive And one thing that
Favir listeners haven't mentioned was he was the I think
the first sports nutritionist as well. You know, like he
could just you know, it didn't matter if you were

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a Peter Snoll or a Halberg, if you were the
average person in the street, he could give you that list.
And yeah, I just found him completely inspiring. There's another
couple as well, Marilyn Marshall. I don't know if you've
ever heard of her. He's a double international. She was

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a pioneer of women's football. She coached women's football and softball.
She captain New Zealand and both those sports as well
as a coach. Her players would dine a ditch for
her because she was honest, she was strategic, and she
was somebody that mentored young players through her experience. I

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thought that she was outstanding. And another one that comes
to mind immediately, I've had a career around sport with
my photography. Louri Mains many. Yeah, Lurie Mains was a
seriously good coach, underrated, but I think that you watch

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what he achieved with the nineteen ninety five team that
went on under John Hart to beat the South Africans,
you know, I think that you know, he deserves some
recognition as well.

Speaker 2 (01:51:49):
And the other one and a good Dunedin Land as well,
so that counts.

Speaker 14 (01:51:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:51:52):
And the other one is Sir Brian Lahore.

Speaker 2 (01:51:54):
Yeah, yeah, a few teas. It was really really interesting
I concept that Sir Brian Lahore because the difference between
professional and amateur rugby in New Zealand and that transition
between those two stages is quite quite something. It's hard
to get a head around the idea of someone working
on a farm one day and then being called up
to the All Blacks the next as opposed to you know,

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the current situation where you're a professional and you train
all you know all week for the game. And so
Brian Hall sort of transitioned that era, didn't he he did?

Speaker 22 (01:52:27):
He was he was the pioneer because I believe that
he was. He was very professional. Had the had the
era come earlier, he still would have been very relevant
and would have been that that again, you know, strategic, motivating,
fair and reasonable and and and his his players would

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would go into bat for him, and that they did.

Speaker 2 (01:52:52):
Yeah, I mean that's a huge part of it as well,
isn't it. You know your processes. But also if people
are willing to listen to you and follow you and
you can motivate them, that's a huge part of being
a great coach.

Speaker 22 (01:53:02):
Well, that's why Lydiad was the best I think. I
think it was just an absolute full package. And so
many other sports learned from internationally, not just in New Zealand,
learned from from what he applied and and you know
the fact that you know, he was just such a pioneer.

Speaker 2 (01:53:19):
But so Simon, you sound like you signed quite knowledgeable
on Lydiad.

Speaker 8 (01:53:22):
Have you?

Speaker 2 (01:53:23):
Is there a particular book you've read on Lydia? Is
there like the ultimate Arthur Lydiad Book.

Speaker 8 (01:53:30):
No.

Speaker 22 (01:53:31):
I just spent time with him, right and as a photographer,
I had him in a chair for an hour and
I felt like he picently uplifted my photography as well.
He challenged you. But he was at that stage, he

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was in his eighties and he was a he was
an ambassador for the for arthritis New Zealand And and
he was. He was just magnificent at getting people to
to do the right things.

Speaker 2 (01:54:05):
Yeah, thank you so much for your call. Simon. There
you go. Tell you Arthur Lydiad is the guy the
majority of the votes.

Speaker 3 (01:54:09):
Yeah, absolutely, so that was pretty clear cut. What a
great discussion. Just a couple of tecks to wrap this
one up. Steve Williams and Duncan Lang, Daniel Loader trained,
Daniel Loader and Steve Williams. Of course, Kady Kendy for
Tiger Woods here. I mean we have look, we punch
above our weight, don't we when it comes to our
um coaches in New Zealand's Thank you very much. We've

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we will say goodbye.

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