Full Show Podcast: 06 November 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 3 (00:17):
Great New Zealanders to matt and Tyler afternoons on z
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over the world talking to people, and at one point
I went to a pub and talked to the console American.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
Critics News time down there. You threatened to not come
back to the studio, but you got frog marched out
of there.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
I had a great nine minutes down there, and then
I was right back. It looks like a real part
of here. But I've got my press past there. So
there's free alcoholm food on the American so much just
like rock back in there.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
Yeah, but exciting day went live to Michigan, live to
the East coast, I mean live everywhere, will't it.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah that's right. So get in and listen to this
fast because by tomorrow this podcast is going to be
well out of date.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
All hail President Trump or President Harris.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Anyway you go seem busy, I'll let you go give
him a taste of Kiwi for insane.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Full There to teening Talk. It's Mattie and Tyler Adams
afternoons on News Talk Sebby Well.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
Hello, good afternoon, Election day here. We are huge day
for America and the world, the world series of politics
America decides twenty twenty four. So as you know, we
will bring you extensive coverage as the afternoon progresses. We're
going to take your life to Michigan, one of the
big battleground states, where we'll speak to Mitch mccannon who's

(01:37):
on the ground. Dan Mitchison, our correspondent on the East Coast,
will go to him after three o'clock as well, and Matt,
you'll be heading down to the American Chamber of Commerce
watch party.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Yeah, that's right, a cham the election celebration at the Empire.
I'll be getting the pulse of the most American spot
in New Zealand outside of the Embassy and well etin
imagine today and I'll be trying to talk to US
Consul General Melissa Sweeney or Chair of the New Zealand
US Council Jonathan Mason, or whoever I can call he
down there to just see how people are feeling as

(02:09):
this election kicks off. It's going to be a big
party down there.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Do you normally watch the election, Tyler, and enjoy it
and watch it like a sporting event.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
Absolutely. Yeah, this is game day for me. Absolutely. And
in previous years were the last four years, I was
at home because I was working the morning shift. I
was at home by two pm, some red wine and
just settled in for a good time. And it turned
out we didn't actually have a result for about three
weeks after that. But the one before that, twenty sixteen,

(02:40):
that was a big night at home. There was a
few tears for some friends, some celebrations with other friends.
I mean, that's American politics for you, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
You've had a lot of parties. The one before that
was over very quickly. I bought a bunch of food
and I prepared it and a bunch of different drinks,
and people were just arriving and then it was over
without a second Obama election. But yeah, no, the coverage
is second to none over any event in the entire world.

(03:10):
It's an absolute sea of flashing lights and numbers and
touchscreen boards and Jonathan King going, look at this, the
state here, the congressional district.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
Gup, you got through here. There's three bolts here. They
got there, They're coming through from the real people. You've
got some amish people that will come in later on
in their horse and cart. And he just cut so good,
isn't he The old magic screen.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
Now, everyone including us will be keeping an eye on
those battleground states Arizona, Georgia and Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania
is a big one. Wisconsin. We've got about seventeen screens
on right now in the studio, so we're watching it all.
And any breaking news you'll hear it here first, So
love your feedback. Nine two nine two is the text number. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

(03:53):
calling after two o'clock. We want to talk to you
about America's influence in the world in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
That's right? Is America still the most influential country in
the world. New Zealand has been fixated with the place
for the longest time. The movies, the food, the culture,
the economy, social media, Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, McDonald's meta. Is
it still the world leader?

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Though?

Speaker 3 (04:15):
If not, who and if it's waning, is that a
bad thing for the world. I've spent a bit of
time in America, in America in my life, and I
love it over. There been to lots and lots of
different places in America south, north, east west, and it
is such a varied place. It is like Europe, and
it's and how varied it is from places from Texas

(04:39):
to California to New York. It's so vastly different. And
that's what the amazing thing is that it managed to
stay together as fifty states. And that's why you have
the Electoral College, because the small states need to be
a part of this great United States of America. I
think it's a fantastic place. I think they put together
an incredible experience experiment that's still going. But it's definitely

(05:03):
got its challenges and it's definitely not reigning supreme in
the way it once was. But is it waning? Yeah,
and is that a bad thing?

Speaker 4 (05:11):
That's going to be a good chat after two o'clock.
But right now, we want to bring it back to
New Zealand. An Auckland landlord fought for months to a
victor's tenants after they stopped paying rent and then trashed
his property. And reading this story made me pretty mad.
So the question we want to put to you is
has the pendulum swung too far? To renter's rights over
landlords and at the moment I am both a renter

(05:32):
and the landlord.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Wow, you're the perfect person to talk about it and.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
The middle And I've had my problem with property managers
in the past where I think they overstepped the line
or tried to get money out of us that was
unfair or not our problem or not our fault. But
I actually think the pendulum has swung too far to
the renter's rights over the landlord, and being a renter
at the moment, I think we've so far got a

(05:57):
good relationship with our landlord. I think that's important to
maintain that. If we break something in the house, I'll
be the first to say, can we tap into your assurance,
I'll pay the excess, what do I owe you, et cetera,
et cetera. And I expect the same from him as
a landlord. But for our place down in christ Church,
as we understand it, I think we've got a nice
family in that they've got a couple of dogs. That
was important to us. We thought, you know, it was

(06:18):
it was good to have a family that had dogs,
because really that can be difficult for dog owners to
find a rental one and it's fully fenced and all that.
It's perfect for dogs.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
So you're a landlord that wanted pets in the house. Yeah, wow,
good onion.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
Because we've got a dog and we knew how hard
it was to find a place up here in Auckland
with a dog. It's just you know, the reality of life.
But if that family turns out and they won't be
I know this for effect, And if you're listening to
their new tenants, you know, welcome, enjoy the place. It's
your home now just as much as ours. Don't scow over.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
I'm coming for you.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
But if they if we get into a situation like
this guy and they don't pay their rent, refuse to
leave the home and then decide to take revenge and
damage the place, that would ruin our lives. That would
you know, this guy is paying fifty thousand dollars to
repair that house. That would cripple us. That would cripple
us and I can't imagine the amount of stress and

(07:09):
trauma that we would be And if that happened to us.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah, and what about the compliance because you lived in
the house and then you had to spend quite a
lot of money to get it up to standard to
rent it out.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
Yeah, the Healthy Homes compliance checklist. Man, that was a
nightmare and we ended up spending probably three thousand bucks
getting it up to scratch.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
And this was a house that was built in twenty seventeen.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
Two thousand and yeah, twenty seventeen, fully inchil to double glazed.
It's a beautiful home, new build. We did all the gardens,
but the checklist was so intensive and I had all
the building material there that I gave and they said
that's not good enough. And I'm not having to go
at our property manager here. This is just the way
that the law is prescribed at the moment. But it

(07:55):
got to the point where they couldn't get under the
floor and I don't know why there wasn't a manhole
to get under the floor. But then we had another
build to say they had to cut a hole in
the floor in the laundry to get under the check
and I.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Said, I've got the building plans right, there's just been built.

Speaker 5 (08:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
And the interesting thing about that is you were very comfortable,
the most comfortable house you'd be ever living in. You
were very happy there, very happy, very happy. But it
was good enough for you and your lovely partner and
your dog, but not good enough for people renting it.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
Off, not according to the law. Oh wait, one hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Nine two
ninety two is the text number. It is fourteen past one.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
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Speaker 4 (08:39):
Be good afternoon at seventeen past one.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
I'm interested in this conversation because I was in a
position where I was going to be involved in a
house being rented out. But when I looked into what
it meant to be a landlord and hearing all these
horror stories like the one we're talking about today, I
just thought that seems like too much of a pain.
So I sold the house. Yeah, and that's not great
because we need rental stock, don't we in the market?

(09:05):
So am I wrong? Is it too much of a
pain to rent out a house or not? We've already
made decision. That house is already self.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
Yeah. Well, Melissa, you're a landlord, do you concur with
what met you said?

Speaker 6 (09:16):
Hi, guys, I'm a first time caller and I'm like Jay,
feeling really strong about this. I've given us an example
of our recent latest thing. We went to our home a
year ago. The lady at the time told the letting
agent that she does the occasional hair dressing for friends.
Upon the first inspection, there's a big sign on the
fence she's got one of the bedrooms made up as

(09:37):
a hair dressing studio. Now, my insurance was void because
my insurance would only cover home office, so it put
me in a position. The tenants did through their non
disclosure of no insurance, and I had to get special
underwriting from the insurance company to get it covered. This
took four or five months. The only way I could

(09:57):
get the tenants out was to do a full renovation
of my home or put it on the market. They
had me over a barrel and I was so stressed
for those months. And finally they have decided to leave
because the letting agent got an amendment to the rental
agreement putting their rent up by X amount of dollars
a week. They didn't like it and they left, thankfully.

(10:20):
Another case scenario was I let the home to another home.
We've got a stray cat gets into the downstairs area
spraysed everywhere and Muggan's here had to pay for it
eight HD the buck. Yeah, the carpet clean. So it's
all tenants way unfortunately these days, So.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
The tenant doesn't owe you anything in terms of cleaning
that up or is it just too hard too?

Speaker 6 (10:44):
Unfortunately, it was too hard they even by the time
you went through the tribuneal it just wouldn't have been
worth it. And so that was that scenario. But the
heir addressing one was an interesting one because I think
all property owners need to check their policies to see
what business activities can be run from a residential home. Now,
the letting agent, I've said to them, you need to

(11:05):
improve your agreements where you asked the question is there
going to be any business operations from this residential home?
Because that's what it is. It's a residence, you know,
and there are a lot of people that work from home.
Now I'm not talking about offices. I'm talking about you know,
might be mechanics in the garage or whatever it might be,
and we need to know about it as landlords.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Now, Belisa, would you knowing all this and how complicdicated
it is and the risks and such. Would you recommend
someone who has an opportunity to rent out a house,
would you recommend they sell and don't do it? Or
was it still worth it?

Speaker 6 (11:45):
So my huts and I've got a few rentals are
all going to be put on the market, we're told,
so over it now, it's all for the tenants, you know, particular,
this last episode of made you anxious because she had it.
They were doing what they wanted in my home and
my rental home. They're running a business and I was
not aware of it when it was first let so

(12:06):
I reckon there be a lot of home owner out
there like that.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
Yeah, I imagine there would be. So what needs to
change for you, Melissa to make it more even? Kel?

Speaker 6 (12:15):
I think that the first of all, when they're vetting
the agents and when they sign them up, the documents
that they're signing them up are probably so archaic and
old they're not asking the modern questions of the changes
that are happening with all of us. You know, there
are a lot of home industries going on and in
a lot of landards would not know about the insurance

(12:35):
policies not covering these business activities.

Speaker 4 (12:37):
Are you talking about the property managers. When you say agents,
the property managers.

Speaker 6 (12:41):
Yes, property managers, Yeah, so did you.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
And we've recently gone through this process. And again, this
is our only home that we own. There's a large
mortgage on it, but we needed to rent it out
because I moved up here and we're renting in Auckland.
But the process was that we saw or no. The
property manager came to us and said, we've got this
lovely family. We've had a lot of interest, but we
think these guys are perfect and gave us a bit
of information. Did that happen with you? Did you get

(13:06):
information about who was moving on?

Speaker 6 (13:08):
There's no, never ever been any beef with the letting
agents are wonderful. It was the fact that the applicant
didn't really disclose the full length of the hair sell
on disdained to the agent. I do occasional hair cuts
for friends. Well it wasn't like that at all. But
the thing was once they run, you can't get them out.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 6 (13:31):
Could not aless. Like you say, the agent said, you're
doing a major renovation or you're going to be selling it.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Do you think the renters were dishonest there or they
didn't know that they needed to disclose that information. They're
going to run a headresser out of their property.

Speaker 6 (13:47):
Lovely, lovely people, don't get me wrong, the nice tenants,
but this was this was not was not just declared
the wet such to the amount of hair dressing work
that was being done. The whole room taken up for
hairdress things.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
And clearly it's led to a lot of streets for
you and your husband, which is you know, that's the
last thing you want as a landlord. Are You're going
to expect some a little bit of stress from now
now and again, but to that level and to put
you in that situation, it seems really unfair.

Speaker 6 (14:18):
But you're I just had no insurance in the paid
Has there been a fire? This tenant said, Will I
have liability insurance? I said, well, that's it's the letting agent.
I'll be the one fight then because my insurance won't
be pain.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
Well, Melissa, I'm really sorry you had to go through that.
We're really sorry, but thank you very much for giving
us a buzz i wait one hundred and eighty ten
eighty love to hear from you. If you're a landlord
and it's been hunky dory you've got a good relationship
with your tenants and it's all work smoothly. Love to
hear from you as well.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Yeah, and if you were thinking about renting out a
property but have pulled out and just put it on
the market because it didn't seem worth the effort, like
to hear from you as well. Oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
It is twenty three past one.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Digging into the issues that affect you the My asking breakfast.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Are you bullish or full of apprehension?

Speaker 7 (15:02):
A few pretty good of it before we are.

Speaker 8 (15:04):
It is a pitiful mess for such a large, influential
and wealthy con.

Speaker 9 (15:08):
I'm hearing in Pennsylvania they won't have an answer till
two three days from now.

Speaker 8 (15:14):
That's not true. Paper ballads are cumbersome and slow. Essentially,
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Speaker 3 (15:28):
Language there from Mike costumes standards.

Speaker 4 (15:31):
He's a passive, passionate man and our best broadcaster.

Speaker 10 (15:35):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Of course, there is a big election going on, as
you just heard and we'll keep you up to date
with any breaking news as the afternoon progresses. North Carolina, Ohio,
and West Virginia polls have just closed, counting furiously over there.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
And we've got plenty of action on the US election
after two o'clock as well. But in the meantime we
are talking about landlords and tenants. Has the pendulum too
swung too far to the direction of renters over landlords.
This is on the back of an Auckland landlord who
fought for months to victor's tenants after they stop paying
rent and they try asked his property, Mike, how are
you this afternoon? Yeah?

Speaker 11 (16:12):
Good things yourself?

Speaker 4 (16:13):
Yeah, very good. So you're coming at this from a
tenant's point of view.

Speaker 5 (16:18):
Yeah, correct.

Speaker 12 (16:19):
Now, I will want to say that, you know, I
do feel very sorry for the landlord that's recently gone
through that, and I will say off the bat that
I think that landlords should have more power to get
rid of antisocial tenants, specifically in terms of the damage
and things like that. However, what you mentioned before about.

Speaker 13 (16:39):
The rig raw you went through with getting.

Speaker 12 (16:41):
Your healthy home standards yep, for example, and helping to
cost money.

Speaker 11 (16:45):
Now, as the tenants The way.

Speaker 12 (16:47):
I look at that is, you know, normally people have
rental property, then they treat it.

Speaker 11 (16:51):
As a business.

Speaker 9 (16:52):
You know, you're doing it at the end of the
day is to earn money and.

Speaker 11 (16:55):
To better yourself for future. You've got to look at
it as a business.

Speaker 5 (16:59):
Now.

Speaker 11 (16:59):
In New Zealand, we have laws in place that states
that any new product brought to the market needs to
improved safe to the consumer or to the end user
before they're all aout to sell it. And that's similar
in my field.

Speaker 9 (17:12):
I'm an electrician. Any new electrical.

Speaker 11 (17:14):
Components bowed in the country has to go through rigorous
testing to obtaining a certificate of conformity, which.

Speaker 9 (17:20):
Will cost thousands of dollars.

Speaker 11 (17:21):
For the manufacturer. But it's just one of those things
for business. So I believe that, for example, a healthy
home standard should be what it is, and I think
that anyone that rents the property should feel safe and
happy knowing it as a healthy home if they won't
be things like mold growing or the healthy damps and.

Speaker 9 (17:40):
Things like that.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
It's a good point you might make, And yeah, I
just want to clarify my thoughts on their healthy homes.
I think by and large that policy is good that
people should be able to move into a home that
is healthy and warm and it's not moldy and it's
not leaking and all those things you just said. But
the problem I had with that whole process is it
did feel sometimes like a bit of a rought that
we were paying builders to come in to check things

(18:04):
that we gave them documented proof already existed in a
new built As if you've got a house that's one
hundred years old, then maybe you do need to spend
a bit more. But the fact that we had to
pay thousands to prove what we already had documented evidence
of just seem like a bit much, even though we
absolutely wanted our house to be healthy and warm and acceptable,

(18:25):
because then you get good tenants in and you want
to look after your tenants because they'll look after your home.
So yeah, no, absolutely absolutely with you on the policy.
It's just the way that the policy is enacted. I
didn't like.

Speaker 11 (18:36):
Yeah, no, I understand that, And I think i'd just
also like to say, and again, this is not all
the landlords, And I think there's obviously two sides. Because
I've got a very good landlord. Now we've been renting
for two years, but previously. Another thing I found with
landlords is that you know, if rent increases or things
that they needed from us, they were sort of demanding

(18:57):
that to be sort of effective immediately, whereas if the
tenants would raise concerns about things needing repair, that would
often get pushed back on the back burner and you'd
often be waiting, you know, for a few months before
could actually get done. Was just from experience I've had
and a few different properties I bring it.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah, I think it's interesting in your position, though, Tyler,
that you were living in a house as are saying before,
that you thought was the nicest house you'd ever lived in.
It was built in twenty seventeen as a new build,
and it was more than good enough for you double glazed,
but it wasn't good enough for the standards. So you
had to make the house better than it needed to be,

(19:37):
considerably better than it needed to be for you to
live in it than it was for your tenants to
live in And that seems like a crazy situation to me. Well,
just and this is why I thought it was a
bit much. And Michael bring you back into it, but
we had a palette fire in the lounge, right, and
so a lot of the healthy home standard is to
make sure that the place can be heated, right, So
you don't want a cold house. They're not so worried

(19:59):
about the other side of things. If it's too warm,
that doesn't really apply to healthy home.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
No, but the fact that they so we had to
get in a specialist to calculate the up of that
palate fire when any normal person could turn that on
and see how much it heats the home, and that
that house kept the heat because it was double glades.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
That's stuff.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
But the fact we had to pay a consultant, an
energy consultant to come in and do that, I thought,
that's just someone clipping the ticket.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
That is dumb, That is silly.

Speaker 14 (20:26):
No, No, that is yeah.

Speaker 12 (20:28):
Yeah, Because again I'm an electrician and we've worked a
lot with property managers and homeowners to get their homes
up to healthy home standards and including things like installing
heaters or even were necessary. They did that part of
it where I've had feedback from as well.

Speaker 11 (20:42):
The homeowners having to get sort of engineers or people
to come and just to tell them what they need
before they have to pay money to another trades person.

Speaker 13 (20:49):
To actually install the product.

Speaker 11 (20:50):
Yeah, yeah, I can understand that point as well, Mike.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
Thank you, Thank you so much. Michael. I've got a
sort of a flip side view on this. When I
first moved up to Auckland from Dunedin, I didn't have
much money and I was looking for a terrible house
to live in so it was cheap. I was actively
looking for a crap house and I ended up living
in a shed that was about as long as me.
You could hear rats under the under the floorboards.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
Not much insulation in that one.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Not much insulation, and that my girlfriend break up with me.
It broke up with me the first night she stayed
in there. But that was what I was looking for
because I didn't want to pay a huge amount of rent.
I wanted to get ahead in my life by choosing
a terrible property, so that was offering me. I mean,
is that opportunity available to people now, people that want
to live in a rubbish house and are willing to

(21:38):
slum it. If you could just sign something saying I
want to live in the cheapest possible property I can,
so I can get ahead in this new city.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
If you want to be a millionaire, folks, then live
in a early life and then get ahead. Oh, one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is another to call it's
twenty eight to two.

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Although Trump has.

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(23:18):
Now back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
That John King on on the touch screen is so iconic.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
I just count the boss. It's just coming running up vault.
He's got to run up the vaults of the rural
vauts coming coming out here here. We need the demograph
to come into this county here. Just open it up
here and you look at this. He knows his stuff,
that John King, So they just roll him out for
election day. He's so good at it. Whether you like
CNN or not, just check it out. John King with
the magic screen. He is phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
I think that was the first time I'd seen a
touchscreen when he first started doing that. That was like, wow,
touch screens. That's interesting. And since then, so many people
have messed up a touchscreen on live TV.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
I've definitely seen it in the coverage of New Zealand elections.
But John King, whatever you think of CNN, that guy,
he knows his touchscreen. He is the master. Right, we
are talking about landlords and tenant on the back of
an Auckland landlord who had his property trashed. He couldn't
get his tenants out for two months. He fought to
have them evicted after they stopped paying rent. Has the
pendulum shifted too far towards renters? Mark? How do you

(24:21):
feel about this?

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Hey?

Speaker 16 (24:22):
Hey, he guys, Hey, I've been a landlord now, excuse
metally forty years. I bought my first house at twenty two,
and the mates move in with me, and then sort
of just bought another one, bought another one, brought another one,
and over those years, when I'm just sitting here thinking
about it, most of the issues I had were probably
ninety percent of the problems I had with tenants were
ones that property managers had put.

Speaker 5 (24:44):
In for me.

Speaker 16 (24:46):
So we decided, maybe twenty years ago now, my wife
and I decided that we were giving up our full
time jobs and just going hard out with the rental properties,
and we run it like a business we managed and
manage them ourselves. Now we've found two recently. We if

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we have a choice of tenants, will always take the
overseas tenants. They seem to be overseas tenants. Most of
them know they'll never own a house. They're long term renter.
Some of them rent for life sort of thing, and
they're really onto it. They're they're good tenants, they're respectful,
they look after the properties. So that's where we try

(25:29):
and head if we can get an overseas tenant, and
maybe say most of them are overseas tenants. At the
moment we've touch we've had no real issues with them.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Do you have any problems getting tenants? Do you just
have to do you have enough of a range of
people that you can select someone that you think is
gonna be good to your property.

Speaker 16 (25:49):
To be honest, if you We've just had a turnover
too of our flats and the people that were leaving
they actually said we've got family coming over and they'd
like to rent it, so we can then left advertise it.
So their family or friends have moved into the flat
now and they're they're being just as good as they were.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Is it a full time job for you, Mark genuinely
to how many hours would you spend. I suppose that's
determinant on how many rentals you have. But in terms
of getting phone calls from your tenants saying the heat
pumps buggered, there's a leak we need to fix here,
is that something that you get quite often?

Speaker 17 (26:24):
No, it's still be silly stuff. I got one exit
from lieutenants to say she found a cockroach and corrective exterminator.
So we've sorted that one out quite quickly.

Speaker 16 (26:36):
So patch we don't many hours on it at all.
It enables us time.

Speaker 17 (26:42):
To my wife volunteers and I do volunteer work, and yeah,
we sort of keep busy that way now.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
But there's a thing that's going on now or I
feel that landlords are being portrayed in quite a negative light.
Do you care about your tenants? Do you feel that
it's your job to provide them a great place to live?
I know Tyler here he thought it was important that
tenants out there in the community had an opportunity to
live in a place with dogs. So when he rented

(27:09):
out his place in christ Church, it was important for
him and his partner to make it available for people
that want dogs. Do you feel that way about your tenants?
Are you just trying to do the least you can
and get the most money out of them?

Speaker 16 (27:22):
No, that I must have. Probably in the earlier days
it was for me. We'd just buy anything and as
long as I could green till I didn't care. But
now we're we're a bit house proud ourselves now and
now I make sure that we provide a quality product,
and you normally get a quality tenant. It's like keepy
thinking if you've got an inferior product, were you going
to track that sort of clientele?

Speaker 4 (27:44):
Yeah, very nice to hear from you, Mark, Thank you
very much. Oh e one hundred and eighty teen eighty
is the number to call. Has the pendulum swung too
far towards renters over landlords in terms of rights? Really
hear from you, and.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
Of course we'll keep you updated in any of the
news on this massive election that's happening right now in
the United States of America.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
Starting to heat up. It is twenty to two.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Have a chat with the boys on eight and Taylor
Adams afternoons you for twenty twenty four youth Talk said, be.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
Good afternoon seventeen to two. Just a reminder, we're going
to take you live to Michigan after three o'clock to
have a chat to Mitch mccannon, also Dan Mitchison now
correspondent on the East Coast. But right now we're talking
about landlords and renters on the bank of a story
about an Auckland landlord who tried to fight for months
to victor's tenants after they stopped paying rent and trashed
his property. He's calling for changes. What do you say, keys.

Speaker 18 (28:36):
Good day today. So thirty years as a landlord, twenty
years as a property manager, and then it came along
came the liberal left, left leaning labor government. Now it's
been we were since Labor has introduced the legislation that's
really did to dirt your landlords. The one thing that

(28:58):
I find reprehensible is that residential landlords is now the
only business that cannot deduct all of its expenses as
a deduct expense ie interests on the mortgage that you pay.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
I thought they thought they changed, Sorry to jump in
their keys. I thought they've recently changed that it's going
to be done gradually. But as it stands at the moment,
can't you claim eighty percent and then one hundred percent
next year.

Speaker 18 (29:23):
Are you aware of what happens when a genie gets
set out of the bag? It's gone, mate, it's out
of the bit. Yes, I understand it's been reversed by
the national government. However, as a property manager, my portfolio
was slashed to half of what it was with a
regular and long term property investors having to sell properties

(29:44):
to pay their tax bill. Mum and Dad investors having
to sell properties to pay your tax bill. The genie
is out of the bag now, so we can never
trust labor to not reintroduce it. As for your healthy
homes that you spent three thousand dollars on, why is
it that having curtains on single glazed windows, thermal curtains

(30:10):
on single grazed windows was not a requirement?

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Why is it?

Speaker 18 (30:14):
And I've got no affiliation with this particular company, but
why is it that shower domes were not required? The
best things in sliced bread to keep moisture out of
your bathroom?

Speaker 4 (30:26):
Yeah, well I tried to, and look it was the
right thing to do. In the in keys that our
extractor fan needed replacing, and we replaced that under the legislation.
But I did try to argue, we've got a shower dome.
Is that going to be Surely that's good enough. But
I've got to say I accepted that we needed the
extractor fan as well.

Speaker 18 (30:44):
You wait for three or four years down the track
with your property, and then I'd be interested to see
what your comments are about having dogs in the property.
I've got pets, I've got dogs, and my dogs do damage. Now,
when you go to the court, they will say you've
got a dog, a dog bigs So therefore it's expected
that your lord will have holes in it. No, you

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can't charge the tenant for it.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
And I'll find with that keys. I mean, if you
see the state of the lawns down in christ Hetu,
we're put pretty close to the beach. I gave up
on those lawns many many years ago. So I get
all that, and I know we're taking a bit of
a punt, and I get your insinuation that we're new
landlords and we're being kind now, and you're quite right.
If tenants let us down, will I be harden my

(31:29):
resolve about having dogs on the property.

Speaker 18 (31:31):
Maybe maybe Okay, Look, if you can get through, if
you can get through the next three years, two years,
then you will remain a landlord. But what labor have
done by removing the interesst rate deductibility is insectively lockout, Mama, Dad.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Landlords now keys listen to be in going back a
few years. So, in your opinion, the balance has gone
too far one way, But at one point it felt
to me like the balance was too far the other way.
I was renting a property once quite a few years ago,
and the curtains got covered in mold, and there was
mold everywhere, and the landlord charged me for the mold

(32:11):
on the curtains, whereas I argued that I shouldn't be
living in a house that's creating so much black mold.
Do you think it is behoven to the landlord morally
to rent out a house that doesn't create so much
mold that the curtains need to be thrown out?

Speaker 18 (32:29):
Overmanaged housers that comply to healthy homes that develop mold
because tenants don't know how to live. The reason why
moisture gets into the property, aside from a very very
very rare time, it's caused by the house itself. The
reason why moisture gets into the property is the occupancy. Okay,

(32:50):
that's the only reason people will cook on guests guest stoves.
They might we've we've literally had one of these camping
guess cookers put on top of a brand new stove
because they want to They prefer to cook and guess.
So what can you do? What can you do in
as far as selecting tenants goes? When the no reason

(33:15):
given notification was removed and then we went straight to
the police system and we got approved for police checks.
Not the general one you do on public databases. I'm
talking about the police checks that you do if you're
going to be in a kindergarten teacher or in a
very sensitive area. This is a far a police check
that goes back and back and back right. And you know,

(33:38):
when we started advertising that we would do that, we
found our applications for tenancies dropped dramatically and the quality
of tenant rose dramatically.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Now you talk about mum and Dad's getting out of
the business. Recently, though, Statistics came out and said that
rents were going down. So that suggested to me that
there is enough stock in the system.

Speaker 18 (34:04):
Fluctuates, It fluctuates, But what's happening generally speaking, it's rising. Okay,
you'll get ups and downs and ups and downs. But
we had the earthquakes and christ Church and that boomed
rents in christ Church, and then we had a scarcity
of rentals in the whole country because labor got rid
of the mum and dad renters. And then of course

(34:25):
rents boomed again. And just as they go up, you're
going to have a weaverit of coming down and up
and down.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
So keys, just if you're someone like me that was
looking at the possibility of renting out a house but
then looked at in it and listened to the news,
and from what I'd heard, decided it was just too
much of a pain in the butt to do it
and pulled it out. Do you think and pulled out
of it? Do you think I would made the right
decision for a person that was going to rent out

(34:51):
one property.

Speaker 18 (34:53):
What I have personally done is sold off all of
my personal residential rentals and gone into small easy care
commercial because the interest is deductibility. The throat strangling legislation
of the Residential Tennancy's Act is not for you, and
my investment is more secure, So yeah, for you, I'd

(35:13):
wait for another six to five months and sell the
house mate because it's in a depressed state at the time.
With the interstrates coming down, I'd get out of it
as fast as i could run.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Advice Keys.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
It is ten to two.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Matt eat Taylor Adams speaking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty madd Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
News DOGSB, News Dogs B seven to two.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Peter, you're a landlord and a tenant, so you can
see both sides of the situation.

Speaker 7 (35:43):
We can see both sides of it. The biggest thing
what we did is we actually moved north up to
the christ at Truthquakes. We've got a property manager during
YEP and we were totally ripped off. Really, we had
a real bad encounter with property managers. So what we
do now, rather than going through a property manager, we
pay a property minutger a finders feed for our tenant

(36:05):
to find a tenant and they do all the hard
work for you, and they put a private investigator to
shame what they can find. And yet we're the one
we can rent. That's what you pay them. And yeah,
both times we've done that, we've had amazing tenants. In fact,
we've got tenants at the moment in our wee house. Yeah,

(36:28):
you can't fault them really, and so.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
After that you take over the management of the property. Peter,
Is that what you're saying, They get you and you
take over from there.

Speaker 7 (36:36):
Yep, we take over from there. Interesting and yeah, you're
healthy homes saying it just seems like different provinces have
different rules. Really, because we got our healthy home certificate.
We would have talked when the guy came and do
the expection. He told me to do one thing and
he says, I know you're going to do it, and
that was it, and we probably talked more about sport

(36:57):
and anything else really exactly, Peter.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Hey, Peter, how do you go with the tough conversations
as a landlord when you have to confront tenants when
they do something that you're not one.

Speaker 7 (37:09):
Okay, So our previous tenant, mister rent and up until then,
she'd been amazing and she was going through a bit
of stuff and we just rather than coming and he
be handed, we just said, hey, this is not your standard. Hey,
we know that you're you know, you know, we know
that things have been a bit tough, but this is
not the way that you do life. And we know
that you're a person of great character. And of course

(37:30):
when you sort of play on the heartstrings like that,
suddenly everything just they call me socks up nine percent
at the time and do it real well.

Speaker 10 (37:36):
Yeah, just.

Speaker 7 (37:38):
And you also look after them and we normally buy
them as the Christmas gift and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
It's nice, yeah, because if.

Speaker 7 (37:46):
A good tenant is a worthy weight in gold, and
you've just got to reward them. And if something needs
to get fixed, you make sure you do it within
as fast as you can.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
Really, it's like happy wife, happy life. Yeah, happy tenant,
happy land exactly.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
Thank you very much, Peter Kevin. We've got about sixty seconds,
my friend, go for it.

Speaker 19 (38:05):
Just one quick thing I do is an I'd recommend
that you go and visit the if you've got lieutenants
moving in, visit their home before.

Speaker 13 (38:13):
Before they just to see how they live. It saved me.

Speaker 20 (38:17):
It's just pop round.

Speaker 19 (38:18):
Oh, just about a science's agreement here, how a bottle
of wine? Just welcome to you live here, okay. I
just the other thing, I can't understand why you can
damage someone's house to that accent that I saw on
TV three. And it's not a criminal offense. I know
if they say it's civil, it's not. If I did
that in your environment, in your workplace, I'd be in jail.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah. And it goes back to that
story about the Auckland landlord whose house has been trashed
after he couldn't get his tenants out right. Very good
discussion after two o'clock. Yeah, So the American elections on
right now. We want to ask a broader question about America.
Is it still the most influential country in the world.
New Zealand has been fixated with it for the longest
time in the movies, the food, the culture, the world economy,

(39:03):
social media, the big companies.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
But is it still the world leader? If not, who
and if it's waning, is that a bad thing?

Speaker 4 (39:08):
Looking forward to this discussion and we will cross live
to Mitch McCann out of Michigan, one of the major
battleground states.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Results are stun to come thru.

Speaker 4 (39:17):
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Nine two nine two is the text number.
Very good afternoons you three minutes to two New Sport
and weather coming up.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Talking with you all afternoon against Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.
Afternoons New for twenty twenty four News Talk ZIB.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
Very good afternoons. You welcome back into the show. Here
we go, the revots are rolling in now woo. What's
an exciting day. Yeah, So, just to give you the latest,
this is seeing inn projections as it stands at the moment.
Trump wins Missouri, Trump wins Oklahoma, Trump wins Alabamas, Harris
Harris wins Massachusetts, Harris wins the district of Columbia, Trump

(40:04):
wins Tennessee, Harris winds Maryland, and Trump wins Florida. So
there projections at this stage that brings it to in
terms of electoral votes ninety to Trump versus Harris's twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
It's interesting because in recent elections Florida has been a
swing state almost but gone very early to Trump.

Speaker 4 (40:22):
Yeah. Absolutely. So we're going to keep bringing you the
latest as the afternoon progresses, and very shortly we're going
to cross live to Mitch McCann out of Michigan, one
of the big battleground states, to get his view on
what's happening on the ground, how it's looking at Michigan.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Yeah, and later on I'm going to nip down to
the America Chamber of Commerce in New Zealand's election celebration
at the Empire am CHAM. I'm going to head down
there for a bear and a hot dog and a
chat with the Consul general at the US Consulate in Auckland, Ulissa,
You'll be staying back up here, Tyler, and I'll be
putting on an American flag hat and jumper and heading

(40:59):
down there and ripping it up.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
Yeah, just bring me back some of the goods, which
that is just after three o'clock, but right now we
do want to have a chat on a topic that's
related to the election.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
Yeah, that's right. Is America still the most influential country
in the world New Zealand. We have been focused on
America for the longest time in terms of movies, the food,
the culture, the world economy, social media has all been
generated out of there. Most of the social media companies
until TikTok, we're generated out of America. But still the

(41:30):
content on TikTok is primarily American. For New Zealanders. There's
the huge companies Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, and then of course
the older ones McDonald's and look, Meta is obviously a
huge player as well in New Zealand. But is America
still the world leader? Is it still the most influential

(41:52):
country for Keiwis it used to be Britain for the
longest time, then it was clearly America. But is it
still holding that place for New Zealanders? And if not, who?
And if America's influence is waning in New Zealand, is
that a bad thing for our country or and is
it a bad thing for the world of America's influence
is waning. It is a huge democracy, and it has

(42:14):
its problems. But one of the reasons why America has
problems and we're so fixated on it, is because of
free speech over there, and everything is laid bare over
there because of their constitution. We see the good and
the bad. You can look at other countries and they
shut down the bad. But America may look like a
rolling shehamzle. But I think it is the best rolling
shamzle in the world still. And I've spent a bit

(42:35):
of time in America, and I love the place. I've
been all over the shop there, and every different part
of America has a different vibe, a different spirit, different landscape,
different architecture. It is just a huge, huge, huge smortgage
board of different amazing experiences.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
I'm with you the times that I've been to America.
The America that you visit in person, on the ground,
whatever state you're in, is vastly different to the America
we see on our TV screens. It is just very different.
They are very friendly people, the welcoming in Texas of
all places, you know, I was, and I feel a
bit bad saying this now, but I had my reservations

(43:16):
about Texas, and they went there the friendliest people you
come across.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Austin, Texas is one of my favorite cities in the world.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
But if we've overben and then you go to the
likes of Memphis, if you're keeping it down south as well,
I think Memphis is a fantastic city. The living history there,
the music, the culture, It's incredible. New York City, you
can't get better. Chicago. I've had some great times in Chicago.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
I'd love to go. I never been to Chicago. Who
good things about it?

Speaker 3 (43:40):
Yep, fantastic And look I got to La a lot.
The La Dodge is my favorite sports team in the world.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
Yeah, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty, looking forward to
this discussion. Where is America's place in the world in
twenty twenty four, No doubt they've had some pr issues
over the last eight years. How do you view America now?
And are we more Americanized compared to our British roots.
I'd say absolutely we are, but as that starting to change.
Love to hear from you. Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is number to coo. It is twelve past two.

(44:07):
Very short we will cross live to Michigan and have
a chat to Mitch McCann. Great heavy company. You're listening
to Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
You're a new home of Afternoon Talk and Tayler Adams
Afternoon Call. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
News Talk ZB. We're just touching base with Mitch McCann.
He is in Michigan as we speak, one of the
battleground states, so looking forward to having a chat with him.
Very shortly. A couple of techs on the topic.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
America ate a democracy. It's a constitutional republic, United States
of America. That's a really interesting thing because there have
been calls because one side will win the popular vote,
but not the election because of the electoral college. But
if you throw at the electoral college, why would the
small states have anything to do with the United States.
If you throw out the electoral college, you throw out
the United States.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
In my opinion, Ye, absolutely. Now let's go live to
our US correspondent Mitch McCann out of Michigan. Mitch, A
very good evening to.

Speaker 13 (45:01):
You, good evening to win. I have escaped the party
here in Michigan to talk to you. All I can
hear is Earth didn't fire in the background. I'm not
sure if you can hear it, but I'm scared to
talk to you.

Speaker 21 (45:12):
How are you both?

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Fantastic? What a great band? What is the feeding like
on the ground over there? Is it tents?

Speaker 4 (45:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (45:18):
It is tense, although we're at an election party where
people have tuned up but dazzled, are ready to party tonight,
hoping here in Michigan that they actually can win this state.
It's really critical for the Democrats where we are for
them to really win the presidency. But you know, speaking
to people at home in New York, which is around
the country in the last couple of weeks, there is
a feeling of tension. There is a feeling of anxiousness.

(45:39):
I think people are worried about what's going to happen,
particularly Democrats who really fear Donald Trump. You know, I
live in New York, so it's a democratic state, so
you know, there's a lot of bias there. But people
are really worried about Donald Trump returning to power in
a couple of hours. You know, that might be the reality.
That's a simple fact.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Yeah, what's the early feeling in which way the race
is going. I know it's early doors, but what's the.

Speaker 13 (46:01):
Vibe, Well, the vibers at the moment that you know,
Donald Trump has had a big win in the state
of Florida. It was expected, but some of the Democrats
had hoped that they could flip the state of Florida
because of abortion is on the ballot there, so they
were there trying to campaign hoping they could win Florida.
So it's gone to Donald Trump. That's an early win
for him, but it's too close to call in some

(46:21):
of these big states. Now Pennsylvania has started to post
some of its numbers. It's heavily in favor of Kamala
Harris at the moment, but that's because those numbers are
coming from Philadelphia, which would usually favor the Democrats. When
the numbers start coming in from the rural areas of Pennsylvania,
we can expect it to get a lot closer. In Pennsylvania,
that is the state that the person who wins that

(46:43):
has the best chance of winning the election. It has
nineteen Electoral College votes. It is massive, So we'll probably
find out some of these big results in the next
couple of hours. And yeah, there is a lot of
tension around that.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
Much abortion you mentioned before, and that's been a big
part of the Democratic campaign. But what are the main
issues because it seems to me that the economy and
immigration are really making gains for Trump.

Speaker 13 (47:12):
You know, I've been watching this for a long time now.
I definitely think they are the two most important issues
in this election. Nex start with the economy. Eighty percent
of Americans, according to Pew Research, view the economy as
a top issue in this election. And it's interesting to
know people will still vote for Donald Trump even if
they don't like him, because they feel he was good
for the economy. I went and visited a family in Lansing,

(47:34):
Michigan a couple of weeks ago, and I talked to
a man in his living room and he said to me, look,
I don't really like him. I wouldn't invite him for
dinner at my house with my family, but he was
good for the economy. So I'm going to vote for him.
And it just shows you that people really are putting that,
you know, the democracy thing a little bit to the
back seat because they care so much about the economy.

(47:54):
And so that's where Donald Trump is strong. Abortion is
probably the third or fourth most important issue. The Democrats
have been going really hard on it. It's going to
be really interesting tonight because if Kamala Harris wins, I think, well,
that will show how important that issue is. They've been
really trying to get women out to vote on that issue.
So you know, it remains to be seen.

Speaker 9 (48:12):
It'll be interesting.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
You mentioned before the anxiousness of some of the people
that you've spoken to. Whatever way it goes, maybe tonight,
maybe in the next few days, maybe in the next
few weeks. Do you think there is the potential for
unrest after this election?

Speaker 13 (48:26):
Mitch, yeah, I think there is, and you know, a
lot of states have been preparing for that. I've seen businesses,
some businesses have been boarded up in Washington, DC, just
in case there are protests or riots and that sort
of thing. I know the Secretary of State here in
Michigan has been warning people that they are prepared in
case there is unrest. So I haven't seen anything to
indicate that just yet. You know, we saw January sixth.

(48:48):
Not many people knew that was going to happen, and
then it happened. So I think they've got to be
prepared for it. But you know, there's very possible anything
can happen. Look what happened in twenty twenty one.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
Now Michigan. You're on the ground in Michigan talking about unrest.
Are you working for the whole night or is an
opportunity for you to get out and cut some tracks
on the dance floor to Earth Wind and Fire.

Speaker 13 (49:10):
There is a free flowing bar here and every time
I look at it, I think that's probably a secable offense.
I'm not going to go there. I won't be cutting shapes,
but if I wasn't working, i'd be first in line.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
Good Man Yet Love September, Great Man, Earthwind and find It.
Mitch McCann, thank you very much. Good luck for tonight,
we'll chat again soon. That is Mitch McCann, a US
correspondent out of Michigan. Right after the break, we're going
to pick up our discussion about the influence of America
in twenty twenty four Love to Hear from You. Is
it still the greatest country in the world in terms

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of the economy, in terms of entertainment, in terms of finance,
or is it starting to wane? And if it is waning,
what does that mean? Love to Hear from You. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is number to call. It
is nineteen past two.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on News Talk said the.

Speaker 4 (50:02):
Twenty two past two.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
I don't know if you've noticed, but there's a large
US election on right at the moment, and look, we're
going to keep you up to date with any breaking
news as it comes to hand, and we'll be going
live back to the States after three. Got a bunch
planned around that election, But right now we want to
talk about a sort of wider issue around America. Is
it still the most influential country in the world. We've

(50:24):
been fixated for the longest time movies, food culture, world economy,
McDonald's burg and KFC, superheroes, social media, Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Meta,
even evil social media companies like TikToker still spewing most
of their content out of the States into America. It's
got its problems in America, But is it still the
world leader? Is it still the most influential? If not,

(50:45):
who and if it's waning, is that a bad thing
for New Zealand and the world? Eight hundred and eighty
ten to eighty, rob what's your thoughts?

Speaker 20 (50:53):
Absolutely, they're the biggest superpower in the world and we
need to keep them that way because when you look
at all the walls that we've had in the last
twenty years, these Americans have been at the forefront on
so we actually need to get them, well, not under control,
but Donald Nupper's basically said that he's going to stop
all the wars. We need that.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
Yeah, And look, someone here is saying there there that
America is a corrupt and bankrupt The average public debt
per capita is one hundred and three one thousand American
dollars per year. But I guess what country isn't corrupt
and close to bankrupt.

Speaker 4 (51:29):
At the moment y.

Speaker 20 (51:30):
Yeah, well, we're certainly going down that cute as well,
aren't we. I Mean, you look at the indebtedness that
we have now after the last government. We're high walls.
But the biggest issue for me personally is immigrations. So
I look at the amount of the legal immigration that
they've had into America. That that happens here, God, we'd
be swamped. Well, just to be swamped.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
Just to your point about which country carries the big
stick and the you know, the influence when it comes around,
as you say, wars or military strength, I agree with you,
Rob that it absolutely should be America because the alternatives
in terms of the superpowers in the world are not great.
Not great for New Zealand, No, exactly exact.

Speaker 20 (52:09):
I'm off to the States six Friday, and I'm looking
forward to a new government, which left or right, but
I'm actually looking forward to the people calming down because
there's a lot of them and decisive people over there
at the sea. We were we were living in the
States when Obama got a link them, and we chose
not to go out on the night of the elections

(52:31):
just in case.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
Whereaboutually going in the States.

Speaker 20 (52:33):
Right, going to Dallas and then down to Florida and
then Key West for my birthday.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
Oh nice, I've never had birthday and Key West.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
I've never been to Florida. Yeah, I would love.

Speaker 20 (52:48):
I might be having a few margaritas.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
Absolutely funny you mentioned that because I always thought, if
I ever win lotto, Key West is where I'd love
to buy a place that looks.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Beautiful until the storms come through.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
Yeah, but if you win lotto, you can a couple
out homes, can't you. Oh one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call quick teats of the break.
They are not putting democracy on the back burner. They
know better than most in the democratic worlds looking forward
to Trump winning this election. From Kate, thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
It's a interesting thing with America because people say it's corrupt,
they say there's these problems, they point to all this stuff.
But the reason why we do that is because of
the free speech in America and because it's a democracy.
So all the good and bad of America is laid
out beer for the rest of the world to pick
over a lot of these other countries that sometimes people
will talk up they look better because you just can't

(53:38):
see the shimazl that's going on because it is all
restricted and shut down.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
Yeah, and talking before about both of us going to America, well,
for me, I thought I'd be a fish out of water.
I thought it would be brash and a bra surf
and I wouldn't like it. Couldn't be further from the truth. Absolutely,
adore pretty much every place I went to in America,
even LA which was pretty chaotic and crazy and you
kind of get that brashn it's about LA.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
I still loved it, Even New York City, which is
famously the dis place in America. They are still some
of the nicest people I've ever met. I spent three
weeks in New York just before the pandemic and lovely,
lovely people.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
Yeah, they love a Kiwi as well, don't they most Americans.
We'll get to Greg before the headlines go Greg.

Speaker 10 (54:25):
Yeah, Hi, guys, I endorse everything you've said about the States.
I've been there and some of the nicest, most studible
people have ever come across. I was in Connecticut and
I've been in New York and they when I met
some guys on the streets there selling T shirts, I
said I was a Kiwi and they said, a knowles
under ship. We've got the noles oulder. A lot of

(54:47):
people out of there like to snagger and snare in America,
but it wasn't for the thousands of young American boys
and girls. We've eating a die of fishing rice today
and talking in a different dialect. The same applies as
things go bad in the Pacific with you know who
flexing their muscles our biggest trading partner. You know, the
Americans are not without fault, but as you said, it

(55:08):
all comes out in the wash and not like a
lot of other countries. You wouldn't say of the Chinese
or the Russians or Iran.

Speaker 12 (55:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
And the other thing that the other thing that we're
seeing Greg as well, is that look Americans on the ground,
you talk to them very normal. But if you look
at social media and if you look at the cable
news network, you're looking at a heightened version. Only the
most extreme opinions are being put up there. The most
extreme five percent is being shoved in our face. But
if every day Americans aren't like that, they may vote left,

(55:36):
they may vote right, but most of them are very
very friendly people.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
Yeah, absolutely, Greg, thank you very much, my friend. It
is twenty seven past two. We'll pick this back up shortly. Oh,
eight hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call
if you want to text through you more than welcome.
Nine to two ninety two is the number back in
the mow.

Speaker 15 (55:55):
JW's talk, say'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis It's
no trouble with a blue bubble. A flurry of projections
as the votes continue to be counted in the US
presidential election, CNN projections give Donald Trump ninety nine electoral votes.
It gives Carmala Harris twenty seven. No swing states have
been called. C and Ann's John King says Pennsylvania is

(56:17):
the biggest swing state, prize.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
Nineteen electoral votes.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Whoever wins this state has just has more options to
get to two seventy because it's nineteen.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
The next biggest one is sixteen.

Speaker 15 (56:27):
The economic downturn is catching up with the labor market,
with the unemployment rate reaching four point eight percent in
the September quarter. There were also annual increases in people
unemployed more than three months. Fire Crews are responding to
a house fire in Auckland's Glen Eden. All the people
are accounted for. A survey has found ninety seven percent

(56:48):
of Auckland pro Care gps plan to increase patient fees.
Community advocate Dave butterbeen Lettelli says the South Auckland Food
Bank now won't even last until Christmas after vandalism, wasted
tons of frozen meat. Anxious and scared how Americans feel
about the election. You can see the story and follow

(57:09):
all the coverage, including a live video analysis show from
four pm at Enzen Herald. Now back to Matt Eath
and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
Thank you very much, ray Lean, and we will continue
to bring you updates about the US election as the
afternoon and evening progresses. The big states to watch, of
course Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.
None of the networks have made calls on those battleground
states yet, but will bring you up to date as
soon as we get that information. We have been talking

(57:38):
about the influence of America quick text here today, guys,
I have lived in the US for five years. Fantastic
place to visit, Maybe in the top three to four
worst places ever to live. Wow, health insurance and just
so many other issues. The people to actually live with
are great, but sometimes they treat their expats living elsewhere

(58:01):
in the world horrifically with their tax system.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
Ah, yeah, that's right. When you leave that tax system
can be very very interesting. Lay your thoughts on the
influence of America going forward.

Speaker 5 (58:13):
Oh, we'll still remain the same whichever one of the
two gets voted in, and Americans will cope with it.
When I'm listening to the results from all these states,
I think I tell them myself, I've been there, been there.
I have visited every state except Alaska, and everywhere I

(58:34):
found Americans to be a light, friendly, helpful, really nice
people to know. And yeah, I can only wish them well.
As far as who's going to do what after the election,
I would see Trump taking a much harder line on

(58:56):
the migrants. He is not going to spoon feed them
and the way the current administration has. But I worry
a bit about how he will be as far as
economy such as our So it's with mixed feelings. I
wats what is going on?

Speaker 3 (59:17):
Yeah, and iically said that's seconitally Saidley, and that is
interesting things for New Zealand because we get so embroiled
in the American election because it's so forefront in our
media that we start thinking about who we want to
win in terms of the policies for America. But really,
as New Zealanders, we probably should be thinking about it
in terms not that we have any say or it
makes any difference at all with how much we worry

(59:39):
about it, but how whoever wins affects New Zealand because
whatever side you go, primarily they have to work out
for America first.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
Yeah, but I think there's a case to be made
that our relationship with America has eroded slowly over time.
I think the National Party or National Coalition has said
that they want to try and repair that relationship.

Speaker 6 (01:00:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Well, it goes up and down, doesn't it. I mean
the relationship was fantastic after World War Two, had our
sort of skirmishes with them with their longer government in
eighty four. And you know that neither confirmal deny on
the nuclear ships. But I think essentially, I mean we're
remember of five vibes. I think we're in the pocket.
You're in the pocket with Big America.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
We certainly are Lee, thank you very much, And you're
watching the election. I take it.

Speaker 5 (01:00:28):
Yes, I am listening while I'm working in the garage
and then into the house to see watch it on TV.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
You're a good man. Thank you, quick text and then
we'll get back to your phones. Giday. Guys, USA still
the most powerful nation on Earth. Their national net worth
is one point four quadrillion dollars. They have the money,
don't worry, they have the power and no more empires.

Speaker 13 (01:00:50):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
Who will save New Zealand if we get into strife? Dino?

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
Yeah, too big to fail?

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
Yeah, exactly, Greg.

Speaker 22 (01:00:59):
How you doing good, mate?

Speaker 12 (01:01:01):
Good?

Speaker 22 (01:01:02):
Yeah, I just listen to a little bit about what
Jamie McKay, who's on your channel, was saying for the
red meat sector. It could be quite an an East
runner for New Zealand of trumpson, which is a good
thing because you know they're struggling with their prices at
the moment. But just looking at a couple of platforms
here that Royce is live total electoral votes, Trump's in

(01:01:23):
around fifty four, Harris is around forty four, quite well ahead,
and the couple of beating platforms is now saying Trump's
had his lowest odds ever during the election the run
up to the election. Yeah, lowest odds ever right at
this time. So yeah, it looks like it might be

(01:01:43):
going the red way over there, which is our blue
way over here.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
But anyway, well it's going to be an interesting few
hours and maybe a few days, agree because as you say,
that's Reuters and I'm looking at CNN predictions right now
they've got Trump on one hundred and five electoral votes
versus Karmela's twenty seven. But early days and they'll start
making these predictions as they get more confident.

Speaker 20 (01:02:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
Yeah, it's interesting with America because it's a two party
system and you know, people have tried and and look
RFK Junior, he was looking at trying to run an
independent campaign very very very hard. He put He's put
his hat in with Trump after a while. But with
the two party system, it just seems and it's no
coincident at all that it ends up being so close

(01:02:24):
to fifty to fifty when it comes because they carve
off their topics. Yeah, to make sure that they're going
head to head. That's that's the way it has to be.
So it always tightens up when it comes up to
the elections.

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
Absolutely, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty love to hear
from you. How do you feel about America in twenty
twenty four. Does it still hold the influence that it
has in the past if you've been there recently. Love
to hear from you as well.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Yeah, and we'll keep you up to date with any
breaking news out of the elections in America as we
go through to four o'clock on that and Tyler Afternoons
on ZB.

Speaker 4 (01:02:54):
It is twenty three minutes to three.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
It's done. You take on talkbag man Heathen Tyler Adams
Afternoons have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty
News Talks the.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
B Yeah, and it's the most exciting afternoon in the
global political calendar if you ask Meam. And I was
saying the other day, I wish I was the person
that cared more about local body elections in New Zealand,
which actually affect us directly.

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
But the glitz and glamour and the tension and the
drama and the coverage of the American election draws us
in like moths to flames, whether it's good for us
or not. Do you know what we need here in
New Zealand for our local government elections? John King and
the Magic Screen let's get him over here first class.
He will be a game changer. But the results are

(01:03:38):
starting to come in. CEE and N are making projections
as our Fox News and the other networks. At this stage,
according to CNN, one hundred and seven electoral votes for
Donald Trump versus Karmela's twenty seven. But the swing states,
the battleground states are yet to be called by the networks,
So we'll bring you up to date with that as
those results come to hand. Quick couple of taxi texts here, guys.

(01:04:01):
I've just returned from twelve months working in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
for a New Zealand company, and we know Pennsylvania is
one of the big swings states this election. Watching the
lead up to the US election. If they are the
leader of the free world, then God help us. The
political system is totally corrupt and run on big money.
The media is just an arm of the political establishments

(01:04:22):
in Washington. It is still full of potential for those
with ambition, but politically stuffed.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Yeah, it's an interesting one, isn't it. And you always
go to that quote from Winston Churchill at that point,
don't you. Democracy is the worst form of government except
for all those other forms that have been tried. And
as I keep saying, America, we can see the shimozzle
and the corruption and the problems are all laid bare

(01:04:49):
because of their constitution and free speech. So we see
the problems. I mean, look, people are talking about what's
the most influential country in the world. This's meant for
the longest time. People talk, well, China take over from America.
Tell you what, there's corruption and there the likes of
America could never possibly have. Yeah, it's a dictator sh
over there. So it's still our last best hope America

(01:05:12):
if you ask me.

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
Yeah, well just on that because that's often. You know,
historians will tell you that history repeats and there's been
leaders of the free world, different leaders over different centuries.
Britain was certainly the leader of the free world for
some decades. America has clearly been top of the table
for what the last fifty sixty years. And they say that, hey,

(01:05:34):
you never know, these things change. We've seen it in
the past, could it change again? I struggled to see that.
Certainly in our lifetimes. I think America is going to
stay at the top of that table for some time.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
Yeah, this democracy is a mess, there's no doubt about it.
But it does mean that change comes and ideas can
come through, and a conversation can be had. And of
course social media is making that conversation more polarized and
people are entering their bubbles, and that is a real
threat to democracy. But I think the one thing that
democracy has is this shimozzle leads to creativity and more ideas,

(01:06:07):
and the businesses come through the likes of Amazon, Microsoft, Apple.
You still rule the world on that level because you
can create businesses in China, But then the government, the
CCP will just they'll just shut them down if they
don't like if it comes too powerful, so that stops
the creativity. So I still think democracy is the best

(01:06:28):
way for a country to lead the world. I just
think that the creative of the ideas that come through
it is it looks terribly messy from the outside, but
the mess in other countries is covered up and it's
shut down. And if you looked under the hood of China,
then I think you might be quite shocked at what's
going on.

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
But do we forget We look back with roast and
the glasses, and we forget about the decades in American
politics where it was very divided. I'm talking about the
Vietnam War for example. Now, the Nixon years, you know,
they were very polarizing years, and we forget about that
and we look at the last four eight years and
it's never been worse. Yeah, I don't know about that.

(01:07:07):
I think there's there's always been years of great division
and America comes through it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
Well, look at the assassinations in the sixties in America,
for example, And Billy Joel wrote a song about it
isn't that we didn't start the fire, it's always been
burning since the world's been turning, and that song. And
I hate to quote Billy Joel, big fan, but it
seems straight to quote him. But the point of that song,
which came out in the eighties was, well the early nineties,
was that America has had drama and shamozzles for the

(01:07:33):
longest time.

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
Yeah, if you're an American living in New Zealand, love
to hear from you. This afternoon, I eight hundred eighty
ten eighty watching this election. Hopefully you're listening to it
as well. But how are you feeling? This has been
tarted as the biggest, well the most historic election for
some time. Is that how you're feeling? What are you
hearing from your family back home? I eight one hundred

(01:07:54):
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call quick
text here guys agree with others. I have been to Washington,
San Francisco, Honolulu, Las Vegas, Williams, Yosemite, Los Angeles, and
New York multiple times. For most America, they are some
of the nicest, most courteous people you will find in
the world. I have met much root of people here

(01:08:14):
in New Zealand. So some people need to drop the
anti americanism of the university lecturers and go and see
for themselves it's a great place and can't wait to
go back from here.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
Yeah, that's interesting. I've got a good friend that's an
American that's living here and he says, though about New Zealand,
is that that we're the nicest people live is met
and often when you go to another country, people are
much nicer to the visitors and the new people than
they are to the people around them that they've got
entrenched resentments towards.

Speaker 4 (01:08:42):
Yeah, Tony, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 23 (01:08:44):
Yeah? Great, guys, Well, I'm a lot better. Often a
whole lot of Americans. I think at the moment they'd
be probably quite scared. But I've got a quote for you,
and I'd like to read the quote and then see
if you can help me who it is. Yep, And
I think it's pertinent because of the two candidates and
their differences. So the quote is this, when the power

(01:09:05):
of love overcomes the love of power, the world will
truly know peace.

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
When the power of love overcomes the love of power,
the world will truly no peace.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
Look, shall I be honest and say that I know,
or till I admit to you that I just googled that, Tony.

Speaker 23 (01:09:24):
Well, I could hear your type.

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
Tony, I could be as well and say that sounds
like a musician. But I've done it exactly the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
It wouldn't be Jimmy Hendrix, would Tony, of course.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
It would be.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:09:38):
I think that's a wonderful thing because obviously Trump has
got this love of power. And when you look at
what that lady Kamarala Harris, I can never say a
name when you look at what she has done full
society all through her career. She's actually there for the
power of love, not the love of power.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Well, are you sure about that? Because people will question
about her records as a prosecutor, and they'll question about
some of the things she's said. She's been pulled out
on some lies. Across the election. She's made some pretty
horrific comments about the other side. The comments on that
that rally at Madison Square Garden, comparing it to a

(01:10:22):
Nazi rally. That wasn't That wasn't love. And there's no
way that you could look at that Medicine Square Garden
rally and say that it was a Nazi rally, seeing
as they had so many Jewish people, there's so many
people from different from different religions and backgrounds and races.
It was clearly not a Nazi rally. So that isn't

(01:10:42):
there's not a lot of love in those comments.

Speaker 23 (01:10:46):
Perhaps not, although I think she just you know, as
somebody said, oh, that's not the real Harris, that's the
electioneering Harris.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
Well then, but if you're willing to sell out what
you are and the real you for what, for the
for the for the want for the lust for power,
that that that's really against against the Jimi Hendrix quote
that you had before.

Speaker 23 (01:11:10):
Yeah, but it's a beautiful quote.

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
A it is a beautiful you know this is so
controversial as people are passionate. Tony, You're a good man.
Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
I love that quote. Thank you so much for sharing
with us.

Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
You know, a politician, you is politician who I thought
had a lot of integrity. A lot of people won't agree,
and that's fine, John McCain, and I'll tell you why.
There was one scene when he was running against Obama,
and it was a town hall situation and one woman
stood up and she said, I'm not going to vote
for Obama because he's a terrorist. He loves the Al Qaeda,
he's a terrorist. And John McCain walked over to her,
grabbed the mic off her and said, very nicely, I'm sorry, man,

(01:11:42):
but he's not He is not those things. He's a
good man. We just disagree on fundamentals and how this
country can get ahead. And that is that's integrity at
the highest level to me.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
But I think that's the problem that Democrats have. I
think one of the problems that the Democrats have is
that they've run read alert on every candidate that the
Republicans have put up for the longest time. They run
red alert on John McCain. They run red alert on
Romney and now so when you know, it becomes the

(01:12:14):
boy who cried wolf, because it turns out Romney wasn't
the devil and McCain wasn't the devil. So when then
you say Trump's the devil, people go, well, you've just
been saying that over and over again.

Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
Very good point. Right, We're going to cross now to
Ethan Manera. He's in Wellington at the US Embassy party. Ethan, Hello,
how are you. I'm gonna tell you guys, very good.
What's the vibe at the UIs Embassy?

Speaker 24 (01:12:40):
Well, it's very excited here. I mean there's American flags,
but as far as the I can see, the champagne's
flowing and people are feeling I mean, it's a little
bit tense. They're watching TV's that we're waiting for the
results to roll, and they have ridden blue kins coloring
in the states as states are now.

Speaker 13 (01:12:56):
But yeah, yeah, very excited.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
There's a little bit like those people that go to
cricket games and do the scoring. You don't need to,
they'll do it on the TV. But what's the feeling
right now? Is anyone getting a sin? You know, we've
watched a lot of elections before in the past. Even
though it's early, you do get a sense of which
way it's going.

Speaker 24 (01:13:17):
Yeah, I mean it is sort of. It's a bit
tense as people wait for the results to roll and
no one's you know, celebrating yet. It is a lot
of embassy folks here, so they have to be impartial.
But I did speak to one US citizen. She's here
on a holiday. She said she would have liked to
have been in America to see her, but they wanted
to come on holiday. They going to Fiji next, and
she said she's a strong Kamala Harris supporter and she's
very hopeful that she will win. She was sitting next

(01:13:39):
to me on the couch to watching the results. But yeah,
she's hopeful.

Speaker 4 (01:13:43):
And is there any anticipation that it might not quite
go the way for you know, some of those Harror
supporters are indeed maybe some of the Trump supporters. Is
there a lot of anxiety in that room right now?

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Ethan, Well, I don't know.

Speaker 24 (01:13:56):
I suppose people are acknowledging that it is just too
close to call. It's too early and the race is
so tight. So yeah, people are just watching the TVs
with baited breath. No one's making any calls yet, but
that is enjoying the time. Well, they're here, and yeah, have.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
You got any idea when you think there might be
a possibility to start thinking about having an opinion on
which way it's going.

Speaker 24 (01:14:20):
Oh, I'm not going to make any calls yet. But yeah,
people don't seem too bothered. Really, they're just happy to
be here. They're drinking the red wine, they're having the punch,
they're having a little finger food. I think they just
enjoying the company and joy being in the ambassad's beautiful
house out in low Heart. It doesn't actually feel like
a country estate in America.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
What kind of snacks you enjoying the party atmosphere?

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
What kind of snacks have you got there? Have you
got hot dogs?

Speaker 24 (01:14:46):
This is a bit of everything. There was some nuttooes
with glacamole I was taking before. There's some cupcakes, there's
some fruit punch. Also, it's really.

Speaker 4 (01:14:52):
America's do American does food very well. Ethan, Thank you
very much, mate. Enjoy tonight. We might catch up a
little bit later on.

Speaker 24 (01:15:01):
Amazing Thanks going.

Speaker 4 (01:15:02):
That is Ethan Minera. He is at the US Embassy
in Wellington, where there is a watch party happening.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
And that's the frustrating thing about A lectures and it
there's people like us to just go and tell us
what's going to happen now, tell us what's going to
happen now? And ye, you just don't know yet.

Speaker 4 (01:15:16):
It was very diplomatic of Ethan's A and A could
go either way, fifty to fifty, and so we might
not know for a very long time exactly. It is
eight minutes to three.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams. Afternoons you
for twenty twenty four you talk SEDB, News Talks EDB.

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
We're going to pick this up after three o'clock and
Matt is just about to head down to the Empire
to have a chat to the US Consul General, Melissa Sweeney.
She's part of the American Chamber of Commerce. So looking
forward to catching up with Matt as he heads down there. Also,
we're going to cross to Dan Mitchinson, he's on the
East Coast to get the latest coming out of America

(01:15:57):
as the vote continues. And we'll pick up your phone
calls again after three o'clock as well. Our eight one
hundred and eighty. Ten eighty is the number to call.
Nine two ninety two is the text number. Stay tuned.
There's plenty more results to come as America decides twenty
twenty four. We will see you very soon. New sport
and weather on its way.

Speaker 25 (01:16:25):
Like it like it's like I'm not a blood.

Speaker 4 (01:16:50):
My home person.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
Enough result the.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Your new home for insightful edit A tainting talk. It's
Mattie and Tyler Adams afternoons on news Talk Sippy.

Speaker 4 (01:18:04):
Welcome Bacon to the show. So it is heating up
as the count cant news in the US election, So
Fox prediction. At this point, Trump has one hundred and
seventy eight electoral votes to Harris's one hundred and thirteen.
Remember it's the first to two seventy those crucial swing states.
Too early to call. But Matt Heath has just run
down to the Empire bar in Auckland, where the Auckland

(01:18:28):
American rather Chamber of Communist Watch Party is underway. Matt,
how you doing good?

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
Thank you?

Speaker 4 (01:18:33):
Tyler AmCham election celebration at the Empire.

Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
I'm looking around. There's a lot of American flags. There's
a few fries on tables, there's been a champagne.

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
There's an atmosphere of nervous excitements. And I'm with Consul
General at the US Consulate in Auckland, Melissa Sweeney. Melissa,
are you surprised how much New Zealanders care about the
American election?

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
It has been something that's.

Speaker 26 (01:18:55):
Been pretty impressive to follow, to find so much analysis
and interest in what's happening in the US. I know
it's been a pretty exciting and maybe unusual campaign season
for the United States, so we're happy to provide your entertainment.

Speaker 3 (01:19:07):
It is very entertaining. How important is this election globally?

Speaker 26 (01:19:12):
I think this is an important election, just as any
of our presidential elections are. It's really important to also
remember that this election is not just about president. It's
also about many many other officials that the US citizens
will be going to vote for. We've got members of
Congress and the House Representatives. Senate is also up for
some seats, and we also, of course have a lot

(01:19:33):
of elections at the municipal.

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
And state call level.

Speaker 26 (01:19:35):
So it's a big, big exciting thing for an American citizen,
and it should have some possibly some ramifications for the
world too.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
Yeah, I think a lot of New Zealanders don't understand that.
We just focus on on the president, but as the
president and in terms of possess position and importance, sorry,
is that the president and the down ballot? Is it
fifty to fifty?

Speaker 4 (01:19:58):
So can you ask that again?

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
So like so that you've got the you've got the president.
That's all we focus on right now. So in terms
of an importance overall, is it as it even between
the presidential and the down ballots or is the president
eighty ninety seen important?

Speaker 26 (01:20:14):
I guess it depends on each individual voter, honestly, because
there are certain issues that resonate more and local politics
is very important to folks as well. So the president
is incredibly important as for us setting the tone, but
we also it's really incritical, like who controls Congress. We've
got two co equal branches of government in addition to judiciary,
So what happens in the in Congress will have a

(01:20:36):
big impact on people's lives as well.

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
How's it for you personally? Obviously it's a huge event
and you don't know what's going to happen back home.
Obviously I've got family back there. How's it for you personally?

Speaker 4 (01:20:45):
To be following your home election from the Empire Tavern
and Central Auckland.

Speaker 26 (01:20:50):
It's actually pretty cool to have so much connectivity in
this day and a in the world, to be able
to watch American newsreels coming in live and getting those
immediate results the same that my family's experiencing in the US.
So it's a pretty exciting way to sort of share
the experience, even though I feel like I'm half well,
I'm more than halfway around the world here in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
But it's pretty cool. Do you enjoy it? Is that
food and drank and socializing. Is it like a sporting
event for you? Or you have you got too much
too much at stake for you to have a good time.

Speaker 26 (01:21:20):
It's a little bit more at stake than I'm sporting events.
It's kind of entering in the sense that as an
American citizen, I have an opportunity to vote, so I
get to actually vote for who I would like to
be in my bus So of course we have a
lot of little bit more interest writing on the outcome
of this type of election than me.

Speaker 24 (01:21:35):
Beyonce game, thank.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
You so much. That was Console General at the US
Consulate and Auckland Melissa Sweeney fantasy. This event is really
kicking off, and I guess the question. I've got a few, Tyler,
is so I stay down here and have a few
drinks and a bite, or do I come back to
the studio up the road.

Speaker 4 (01:21:54):
The buzz there sounds amazing and I can almost hear
that you've got a bud light in your hand right now, Matt,
So I can't take that away from you. Just bring
me a couple of buds with you when you come
back up here, and maybe a hot tal. So what's
the spread light there?

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
Well, I'm looking at a table, a huge tape of Nacho's.

Speaker 4 (01:22:09):
You've got fried chicken heir fries, as I said before,
We've got some We've got some sort of corn things
with some thrawns on it. There's some meat balls here.
So look, yeah, I probably won't come back to the
studio and I'll see you on the show tomorrow. Yeah.
Can you just grab as much as you can, put
it in your pockets and then just bring it back.
That's the key thing, isn't it Just breaking as you can?

Speaker 3 (01:22:30):
We're actually breaking up, Tylers. So yeah, I'll see you tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
Then I'm just getting myself a bit enjoy Matt.

Speaker 4 (01:22:35):
Right, we're going to catch up with Matt very shortly,
having a great time down at the Empire with the
American Chamber of Commos a bit some fantastic comments there
from the Council General. Right, we're gonna pick this back
up and hopefully Matt comes back.

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:22:47):
He was having a pretty good time, so I can't
blame him if he doesn't come back. Oh, eight hundred eighty.
We're going to pick back up on the discussion we
were having about America's influence in the world. Have you
been recently if you are an American living in New Zealand,
are you watching? Are you listening right now? How you feeling?
Are you apprehensive?

Speaker 24 (01:23:05):
They are?

Speaker 4 (01:23:05):
You're excited. As it stands right now, news is predicting.
As it stands in terms of electoral votes, Trump has
one hundred and seventy eight versus Harris's one hundred and thirteen,
but those crucial battleground states are too close to call
it this stage. It is twelve past three. Back very
shortly here on New Stalks, EDB good afternoon, fourteen past three.

(01:23:27):
Now I thought Matt was going to stick around. He
was having such a good time at the Empire. Oh
you look good, mate. You put on a blazer for
that very good welcome back. It was fast.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
Yeah, I thought I'd make an effort, but I was
going to stay there, but then Swifty came in, the
boss was sent in and where's the food? Did you
mean the food? I don't bring the foodback. I was grabbed.
I was collared and brought back at the studio like
I'm in a bad mood.

Speaker 4 (01:23:45):
Now, all right, Yeah, well you brought some buds back though. Yeah,
I can see a couple of bud lights there. Welcome back,
and we put the call out there for Americans living
in New Zealand. Clearly this is major for you. It's
major for the world, and it is for Kiwis as well,
but more so if you're an American living in New Zealand.
How you're feeling, Kyle, how are you mate?

Speaker 5 (01:24:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:24:03):
Good mate?

Speaker 14 (01:24:04):
How you going?

Speaker 4 (01:24:04):
Very good? So what's your thoughts you're watching? Yeah, are anxious,
so you're excited.

Speaker 14 (01:24:11):
Yeah, trying to roll with the punches and see how
it goes. I'm on a building site so I can
just listen to you guys, to the radio yeah, but yeah,
it's definitely biting the nails a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:24:20):
Yeah, I be And what part of America? Are you from?

Speaker 14 (01:24:23):
California? Originally been out here a decade though?

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:24:25):
Right, so California, that's done and dusted. They don't even
really need to run the election, do they? In California?
It always goes one way.

Speaker 14 (01:24:31):
Yeah, it's a bit of a lost cars over there unfortunately.

Speaker 4 (01:24:34):
Yeah, And so is it you know, the anxiety as
you watch your do we play it up a bit
more here? Then? Is actually it gets played up in America?
You know, we get bombarded with the US election and
the media and the headlines we have for a long time.
Is it different to how we report here than what
is the reality on the ground?

Speaker 14 (01:24:56):
So I'd say for like the mainstream media, it's probably
about the same. You hear a lot of the same
talking points. It's probably a little bit downplayed here. It's
huge in the States. It's just such a massive campaign. Yeah, yeah,
but it's a little bit one sided, to be fair.

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
And do you talk to your family back home about
the election a lot? Or are you one of those
people that you hear about out of the States they're
bringing up politics with your families just not worth it
in terms of the arguments.

Speaker 14 (01:25:23):
And I've got a really good relationship talking relationship with
the folk, so well, we're happy to talk about that
kind of stuff. My dad's a bit blue through and through.
Even if the like the party has changed a lot
of its policies, he still has kind of just throws
a banner up, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:25:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
And if you don't mind me asking which way are
you leaning?

Speaker 14 (01:25:43):
Well, I've been historically. I was a Democrat, but the
Democratic Party seems to have lost a lot of its values.
You know, they're kind of the war party now and
also the anti free speech party. So those are two
big items for me. So I've turned red because of that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
Yeah, it's interesting. And I was looking at a stat
out of the States and it was saying that females
break for Kamala by seventeen percent, in male's break for
Trump by eighteen percent. Are you seeing that with the
Americans that you know back home, that it's becoming a
female male thing.

Speaker 12 (01:26:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:26:16):
To be honest, I probably don't have a good sample size,
but I don't keep in touch with enough people back Yeah,
so I really can't give you the best on that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
Okay, well, thank you so much. Yeah for your call,
appreciate it and all the best.

Speaker 4 (01:26:27):
Well, just quickly, Kyle, was it easy for you to
make your vote here in New Zealand? Was that an
easy process?

Speaker 14 (01:26:32):
No, it was a bit difficult. At first. It was
quite easy because they had some online thing, but I
didn't jump on that quick enough and then it turned
to a paper mail and we'll see if it makes
it there in time.

Speaker 4 (01:26:43):
Yeah, very good, Kyle, Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:26:46):
Yeah. I mean that's interesting. Have you ever voted from overseas, Tyler?

Speaker 4 (01:26:49):
No, but I understand it is quite the process, even
for our election. You've done that in the past, of you.

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
I haven't, but I was with my sister in the
New Zealand elections were on last time, and she's a
New Zealand citizen living in London, and it was very easy.
She just printed out a form off the internet, filled
it out and then fight it in sweet as.

Speaker 4 (01:27:08):
I was going to ask you this question, she met.
But Kyle, are you still there?

Speaker 15 (01:27:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:27:11):
Yeah, So being a Californian and with the electoral college system,
is that frustrated and all that? Clearly you've changed to
read and you listed their very valid reasons why. But
with the electoral college system, is that frustrating for you
a few, you know, because as we know, California is
probably going to go blue. Is that difficult? Well?

Speaker 14 (01:27:30):
I think the other side of it is more important,
which is the small states that wouldn't have any say
at all, even if they have quite a large amount
of land or even resources that would be just you know,
pillaged if they didn't have a say. So I think
the electoral college really does stand up for the small guy,
even if some states are just a wash.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
Yeah, that's interesting. I'm really surprised with the amount of
people in quite high up people in politics in America
saying that they want to abolish the electoral system in
favor of the popular vote, because that would be the
end of America, wouldn't it. Because what's the point of
being a small state if you don't have a say
in the union?

Speaker 14 (01:28:08):
Exactly? It'd be like if Auckland, you know, had the
vote on every single thing that mattered in the country.
You know, even though they dwarf for everyone else, you know,
that doesn't really they don't know what's going on in Otaga.

Speaker 4 (01:28:21):
Yeah, Yeah, very good call. Great to check hole thank
you very much. Love to hear from you as well.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty, particularly if you're an
American living in New Zealand right now, how are you feeling?
How is the family back home, friends back home feeling?
Quick text to the break, you will say, is the
West imperfect perfect experiment?

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:28:39):
What else do you want? Or who else rather do
you want running the world? The Chinese, the Russians, or
the hypiureocratic Europeans, America all the way?

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
Well, to a certain extent, with America running the world,
New Zealand is kind of on the side of the
people that are running the world, and that's something that
people should remember.

Speaker 4 (01:28:57):
Yeah. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. It's twenty past three.

Speaker 1 (01:29:04):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons cool oh eight hundred on
news Talk said the it's.

Speaker 4 (01:29:10):
Twenty two past three and we've roped in our drive
host Heather to please see Allen. Hey you Heather, Hello mate.

Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
Yeah, your first time on Matton Tyler Afternoons and what
a moment. What a moment for us as well. So
I know it's too early and no one will say
what they think because they want more results to come in.
But are you getting any kind of vibe because you
can and elections, can't you? And the American elections we
followed so many you feel which way it's going.

Speaker 27 (01:29:36):
Well, I can't see anything just yet in what we're
seeing in the election results that are going to flip
it one way because because as somebody just said on
one of the TV channels, I've been watching Fox and CNN,
both of them like taking turns with them. And what
somebody said, nobody's broken serve, which I think is the
kind of important thing here. Nobody's flipped a state that
they haven't held before.

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
You know, there's no.

Speaker 27 (01:29:57):
Surprise in it just yet. But my feeling still has
and my feeling has been for a couple of weeks
that Trumpy takes it out. Just nothing at the moment
actually indicates that other than it's just it's kind of
part of the.

Speaker 21 (01:30:08):
Course, except as you said, say.

Speaker 4 (01:30:10):
It Florida, Yes, because Florida has been a toss up,
It's been argued about, it's been the one we've been
waiting through to come come through in previous elections, and
it just broke for Trump. So hard is Florida that
different now from the rest of America, But it broke
for Trump very quickly and was called what.

Speaker 21 (01:30:29):
Did I just say?

Speaker 27 (01:30:30):
I looked at the most recent numbers for you. It's
eighty nine percent counted in Florida and it's fifty six
percent for him.

Speaker 4 (01:30:35):
Yes, I hadn't got a hope now on that one.
It's God, is that wishful thinking from Carmela.

Speaker 10 (01:30:42):
Begun?

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
But does that mean? I mean, the states are so different,
But can you read anything out of somewhere like Florida
that has been close before and now has definitely broken
into one Trump hard? Can you read that that those
kind of people across the nation are going to vote
in a similar way I.

Speaker 27 (01:30:58):
Can read if you want to read something into it,
is that he's managing to mobilize his vote, which is
which is the thing that everybody talked about, right, That's
that was the last remaining hope for Carmela was that
she would get out people who never got out before
and they would go and vote. But it looks like
he's doing exactly the same thing. I think the other
thing that's interesting is Iowa, right, because this is the

(01:31:18):
one we've got to keep an eye on because Iowa. Basically,
what you were arguing that is that if you have
a really strong movement in one state towards Trump, maybe
you see that reflected across the country. Watch Iowa because
that's the other one. We'll be looking forward to see
if the opposite happens for Carmela because remember she got
the shock poll that put her in front just a
few days ago. At the moment, she is leading fifty
nine to forty one, but it's only nine percent counted.

(01:31:40):
And this is the problem, is it's just it. I mean,
the numbers favor him.

Speaker 21 (01:31:44):
At the moment.

Speaker 27 (01:31:44):
CNN's got him one hundred and fifty four. This is
electoral College vote one hundred and fifty four to thirty,
which is a massive margin. Fox has got one hundred
and ninety five to one hundred and thirteen. But you
always get what they call the red mirage at the
start where it looks real awesome to him, and then
the blue one comes up.

Speaker 4 (01:31:58):
Yeah, who have you got on after four? Who you're
speaking to?

Speaker 27 (01:32:01):
Actually, very good question. So we're gonna go to Jack
Jack Tame. He's outside Karmala Harris's headquarters. He's just gonna
give us a vibe of what's going on in there.
Scott Brown, the former US Ambassador to New Zealand, who's
very much a Republican, will talk us through it. We're
gonna have a little bit of a Republican Democrat off.

Speaker 10 (01:32:15):
Great.

Speaker 4 (01:32:15):
Yeah, after five, it's exciting.

Speaker 21 (01:32:17):
I think, give us, give us the vibes from inside.

Speaker 3 (01:32:20):
Now, if Karmela should lose, do you think the Democrats
will have a long hard look at themselves because they
seem to have a bit of a problem with males,
and they seem to have a bit of a problem
with sixty nine percent of the population.

Speaker 27 (01:32:34):
Do you know what, Matt, I just think that they've
got a similar I get a real strong labor party
vibe from the Democrats, like as a labor party New Zealand,
where I don't think they listen enough to the people.
It's almost like there's a kind of there's almost like
I'm going to give you the candidate that's good for
you rather than the candidate you necessarily want. And I
don't know that the self reflection is there, do you

(01:32:55):
know what I mean? And maybe this is actually maybe
I'm being a little unfair on the left of politics
because I think when you look at the Republicans and
even the National Party in New Zealand, they are doing
a very similar thing where they kind of don't really
give you that, Like even Luck isn't the greatest politician,
is he?

Speaker 4 (01:33:10):
So it feels like.

Speaker 27 (01:33:11):
A cross politics. We've got these guys saying this is
the candidate you are going to like, and actually people
want it Donald Trump maybe yeah, gross.

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
But again, I guess you could look at it and
say the Democrat Party could say, well, they have had
the president for probab let's say, apart from a little
window of Trump, they've had the presidency for a very
long time.

Speaker 4 (01:33:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:33:31):
What self reflection would tell you, if you were truly
honest with yourself as a Democrat, self reflection would tell
you Biden didn't win because it was Biden. Biden won
because Trump lost because he stuffed up COVID and people
were freaked out after COVID and they wanted look at
what happened in New Zealandjisinda wasn't even going to win here, right,
and she won because of COVID because we freaked out
and we were like, oh, we've just got to have,
you know, like some stability. So that's not an indication

(01:33:54):
that that was the wrong candidate. And so if you
strip out, if you're completely honest with yourself, strip out
all the abnormalities like COVID and stuff, Biden was the
wrong guy to put up. Karmla's the wrong person to
put up. I don't know if they have the self
awareness to be honest with themselves.

Speaker 19 (01:34:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:07):
Wow, it's exciting, great day. It's the most exciting election.

Speaker 21 (01:34:11):
It's gonna win, man.

Speaker 3 (01:34:12):
I think person that Trump's gonna win. I think he's
more popular than he was in twenty sixteen when he won.
I think people and I think people are more open
and liking him. And I think it's the strangest thing
where the Republicans now seem to be in America the
party of the working class.

Speaker 27 (01:34:30):
Yes, totally, the same thing's happening to the Nats here.
Does he win tonight? Do we find out tonight?

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
Ah?

Speaker 3 (01:34:35):
Look, that's a hard one to do. I hope my
gut if we do, my gut feeling is that he
wins tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:34:41):
Okay, And what about you, Tyler, I'm going to go Trump,
but it's going to be closer than people think.

Speaker 21 (01:34:47):
You don't find out tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:34:48):
Yeah, don't find out tonight. And I think Harris might
take Pennsylvania. It's going to be close.

Speaker 21 (01:34:53):
I think maybe she takes Pennsylvania and he doesn't need it.

Speaker 4 (01:34:56):
Yeah, yeah, well way.

Speaker 27 (01:34:59):
The first thing that came out of my mouth, obviously
after why are you awake so early?

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
Edgie, was I'm so excited here.

Speaker 4 (01:35:05):
Yeah, this is that. Hear that. Thank you very much.
We'll catch you after four o'clock. That is hither to
police the Allen of course, thrive hosts and tune and
after four o'clock because it's going to be a great show.
Right after the headlines, we're going to pick back up
your phone calls. We've got a lot of American New
Zealanders who have called through, and we're going to have
a chat to you on oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty he are you feeling? What way do you

(01:35:26):
think it will go? Let's get into it. Nine two
nine two is the text number, twenty nine past three.

Speaker 1 (01:35:32):
You talk savvy headlines with.

Speaker 15 (01:35:35):
Blue bubble taxis it's no trouble with a blue bubble.
Polls in the US election have closed across a large
majority of states with a long night of counting still
a hit. Later, CNN projections have Carmala Harris on fifty
three electoral votes and Donald Trump on one hundred and
fifty four. Either needs to seventy to win. Can Ann's

(01:35:56):
John King says if Trump holds North Carolina and Georgia,
where he's presently leading, Harris will likely need Pennsylvania to
get to two seventy.

Speaker 3 (01:36:05):
That's what makes the mouth interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:36:06):
She needs that nineteen votes right there, because if Donald
Trump gets that, it gets into the finish light.

Speaker 15 (01:36:11):
Southern mayors have presented a petition at Parliament asking the
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You can see Greek or Paul's full column at En
said Herald Premium. Now back to Matteth and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 4 (01:36:55):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty eight minutes
before let's go back to the US. US correspondent Dad
Mitchardson is with US Live.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
Hey, Dan, Hey, good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
So where are we sitting on the electoral votes at
the moment?

Speaker 28 (01:37:08):
Well, right now, Donald Trump is leading one seventy seven
to ninety nine and as you just heard on the
update there, the winner needs to reach two hundred and seventy.
The polls are still open though out west here in California,
Alaska and Hawaii. So the thing to remembers, as you've
probably been talking about all day, is that even as
you're seeing these projections on TV and you hear them
on the radio, we may not very well know who

(01:37:30):
wins the presidential election until the end of the week.

Speaker 4 (01:37:33):
What are the big states you're watching at the moment, Dan,
and is it still too early to pick some of
those battlegrounds.

Speaker 28 (01:37:39):
Well, I mean there's the swing states that everybody's keeping
an eye on right now, Arizona and Georgia and Michigan,
Nevada and North Carolina, Pennsylvania, which is an important state
for both candidates, and Wisconsin. But you know, no matter
the outcome here, the Harris campaign officials just announced a
short time ago they're going to have to take probably
days to declare this winner, and they're bracing for a

(01:38:00):
legal fallout that could extend into weeks or maybe months.

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
With with Donald Trump right now and.

Speaker 28 (01:38:05):
The lines, I've got to tell you guys, the lines
for voting have been extremely long. Some people have said
they've they've waited in line up to six hours to
cast their vote. My wife dropped off my son's ballot today.
This was his first time voting, and that was about
a forty five minute wait just to drop the ballot
into the box, not to vote. So these people that
haven't actually voted yet have been waiting five or six

(01:38:26):
hours in a lot of states.

Speaker 3 (01:38:27):
You love them or hate them, Trump definitely brings out
the votes to either people that want to finish them
off for people that want to support them. Are the
polls matching the results so far?

Speaker 28 (01:38:37):
I mean that's really hard to say right now. I mean,
you've you've got a lot of people that are still
sort of on the fence.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
I think these these battleground states.

Speaker 28 (01:38:47):
I mean, I just can't overemphasize how important they are,
how pivotal they are to the to the path of victory.
And and it doesn't matter what poll that you look
at at this point or which network you watch for
these election predictions. I think this has been one of
the craziest elections that I can remember, certainly in my lifetime.
I mean, I mean, you've got one of the most

(01:39:08):
angry from both sides. You've got one of the least
civil when you look at the debates they had, and
one of the most stressful. And it's not just for
voters too, but I think it's for people that are
actually covering the process.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
Over here.

Speaker 28 (01:39:18):
I've seen more people leave the media citing the stress
and burnout from partisan politicians and very good people that
have gone into other professions, which is a shame and
a big loss for our community.

Speaker 3 (01:39:28):
I mean, it is crazy we forget because the cycle's
spinning so fast at the moment that we forget that
Trump got shot at one point, and we forget that
the standing president stood down. Those two events on their
own make it one of the craziest elections of all time,
but both of them happening. It's insane.

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
Well, you're right.

Speaker 28 (01:39:46):
And I was asked earlier today what I thought the
most pivotal point in the election between Harris and Donald
Trump was, and I said.

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
It had to be Joe Biden just because he stood down.

Speaker 28 (01:39:56):
I mean, if he was still running against Trump right now,
I think we would see a clear, strong front runner
in this race, and that would have been Donald Trump.
Kamala Harris is a person that, like most vice presidents
over here right now, you know the name, you see
them on the news occasionally, but you kind of project
what you want onto that person because they're not front
and center. And as you get to know more about

(01:40:17):
that person, like we did with Harris when she started
running for president, you either like that person or you decide, well,
maybe that's not the person I was hoping she would be.
And I think that's what a lot of voters were
trying to decide over the last month or six weeks.

Speaker 4 (01:40:30):
Yeah, what's the lightest with this bomb scare out of Georgia.

Speaker 28 (01:40:34):
Well, there's been a number of bomb scares actually right here,
there's none that have been I mean they've all been
taken seriously. They were called into a number of locations.
None have been proven to be authentic. In Georgia, they
had something like twelve voting locations, I think, And as
a result, they're going to have their hours extended or
did have their hours extended slightly, just because of those threats,
and they want to make sure they get as many

(01:40:55):
voters through the doors as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:40:58):
There and then there were Milwaukee.

Speaker 28 (01:41:00):
They're rerunning thirty plus thousand ballots through a tabulator machine.
There was an error that was pointed out by an
election worker who noticed that one of the doors wasn't
closed properly. So anytime you have something like that over here,
you don't want one of the candidates saying this was illegal,
or this was fake, or is this is rigged, which
Donald Trump has already suggested several times on X. So

(01:41:22):
they're trying to be as careful as they can and
maybe doing a second or even a third count they
have to in some locations.

Speaker 3 (01:41:29):
Speaking of X and the general social media feed and
text machine nine two ninety two. Here at ZB everyone's
talking about peanut the squirrel. Is this going to be
a deciding factor in the election.

Speaker 28 (01:41:42):
I've got to tell you, I am not familiar with
Peanut the squirrel.

Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
Enlighten me.

Speaker 4 (01:41:50):
So they're saying that Peanut the squirrel, a person owned
Peanut the squirrel. Then law informed enforcement kept down the door,
grabbed Peanut the squirrel from inside the house, and euthanase
Peanut the squirrel. And this is being used an example
of governmental overreach.

Speaker 28 (01:42:08):
You know, I'm just looking at the picture right now
and you're, oh, my gosh, he's even wearing a little
cowboy Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:42:15):
I mean, we've gone full circle, isn't it in terms
of the craziness of an American election.

Speaker 16 (01:42:19):
Wow?

Speaker 4 (01:42:19):
Yeah, the president stands down one of the older the
candidates get shot, but it all comes down to pean
up the squirrel.

Speaker 1 (01:42:25):
Oh.

Speaker 28 (01:42:25):
There are times that I really envy your holding classes
there and the UK because it is so quick and
it is here, and it's over with so fast. And
as soon as this election is over here in eighteen months,
we're going to start this all over again, because we've
got twenty twenty eighthes down the road.

Speaker 4 (01:42:40):
Absolutely, Dan, thank you very much, all the best for tonight,
and we'll chat again soon. Sounds good, That is us
correspondent Dan Mitchinson. We'll get to more of your calls
very shortly and also mate of yours Matt, that we're
going to have a chat too.

Speaker 3 (01:42:54):
Yeah, that's right, Chris. So he's my American friend and
his lovely wife Liz, and I've become friends with them
over the years, and so I was talking to him
about election and his take on it was you New
Zealander seem to care a lot more about it than
my friends and family back home. We mainly talking about sport.

Speaker 4 (01:43:09):
Yeap, looking forward to that. It is twenty one minutes
to four.

Speaker 1 (01:43:13):
The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends
and everything in between. That Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
you for twenty twenty four US talk, said b very.

Speaker 4 (01:43:23):
Good afternoon to you. It is nineteen minutes to four
oh eight. One hundred and eighty teen eighty is the
number to call. Love to hear from you if you're
watching the election, listening to the election. How are you feeling, Kelly,
How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 29 (01:43:36):
I'm great?

Speaker 4 (01:43:37):
How are you very good? Now you've got a bit
of an American twang to that accent?

Speaker 29 (01:43:41):
Is that right from Philadelphia?

Speaker 2 (01:43:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:43:45):
Stick, that's an important, important state, isn't it for this election?
Any any feelings on how which way it's going.

Speaker 29 (01:43:53):
Uh, Well, the first thing to come in is always
Philadelphia and Philadelphia City and Pittsburgh because their computer systems
are more effective than what you see out and the
rest of the county. So I think that Camilla is

(01:44:13):
breaking early because those are her strongholds, and we'll have
to see until the match for the manual counting to
come in from the other counties before we really know anything.

Speaker 3 (01:44:25):
Yeah, it's very hard for her to win the election
without winning Pennsylvania. What's it like for you being over here?
How long have you been here? And what's it like
for you to be in New Zealand watching the election
happening in your home country and watching us watching that
election happening in your home country.

Speaker 29 (01:44:43):
Well, it's it's hard because you know, of course, it's
it's more interesting when you're actually living it, and this
is about as far away as you can get. But yeah,
I've been here since twenty eleven. I'm married to a
Kiwi and I'm in a New Zealand citizen at this stage,

(01:45:04):
so I've been living here for quite a while. But
I did do my paper a crazy process ballot last
month and send it in our early. So that's good, yea,
And yeah, I mean, you know, my family is very
political and split right down the middle. I've got a
daughter who is a rabid liberal and I've got a

(01:45:27):
son who is a conservative, and you know, so.

Speaker 3 (01:45:31):
It goes well, that's really interesting you say that. That's
really interesting to say that, Kelly, because I was talking
before about a poll that said that females in America
are breaking by eighteen points towards Kamala and male's a
break now seventeen points towards Kamala, and males are breaking
eighteen points towards Trump. So there's definitely a divide coming

(01:45:53):
between male and females in terms of their support, and
it seems like it's playing out exactly in your family.

Speaker 29 (01:46:00):
Well except for me, because I'm a Republican, all right, mother,
I'm somewhere to the right of Attila the Hunt.

Speaker 4 (01:46:13):
And have you been making recently, Kelly? Going make for Christmas?

Speaker 29 (01:46:16):
I'm going back for Thanksgiving, which could be a really.

Speaker 3 (01:46:20):
Interesting immediately up with the politics before, before the pump
copies breaking.

Speaker 29 (01:46:29):
I mean, yeah, we have a rule where we're actually
not allowed to talk about it because people, the people
really get kind of wound up. But yeah, it's uh,
it's tough because you know, it's the reality is that
whoever gets in, it's not gonna you know, the world

(01:46:50):
is going to keep turning, life is going to keep
going on. And I don't know.

Speaker 30 (01:46:54):
I'm my first election that I voted in was Ronald Reagan,
so I've been voting for a long time. And reality
is that the substantive changes that happened, and you know,
America mostly had to do with the economy around the
who's in office. And you know, I hate to say it,

(01:47:16):
but coming up on retirement, I'm interested in not having
to pay tax on my Social Security benefits.

Speaker 4 (01:47:22):
That's cool, It's fair enough too, Kelly, thank you very much,
Thank you so much for your call.

Speaker 3 (01:47:26):
Now, Chris, welcome to the show. Now, Chris, you're you're
a friend of mine that's moved over from Chicago to
New Zealand.

Speaker 31 (01:47:37):
Yeah, good afternoon, gentlemen.

Speaker 10 (01:47:38):
That is right.

Speaker 6 (01:47:39):
Good.

Speaker 3 (01:47:39):
Hey, Chris, and we were having an interesting discussion before,
and you were saying that in your circle of friends
back in the States and in your and your WhatsApp
groups and such, politics isn't brought up that much exactly.

Speaker 31 (01:47:54):
And I think This is a sort of a different
advantage point that I think what you're hearing is not
very politically involved here, and I don't think the election
has come up in many conversations among my circles here,
and it's just not a huge talking point. That's kind
of why it's sin thing seeing kind of plays just
kind of how it plays plays kind of so far
away from here in New Zealand. But no, I don't

(01:48:16):
think there's there's definitely definitely a large portion of Americans
that are not very, very so invested.

Speaker 4 (01:48:21):
So you get someone like, hey, there's a Kiwi who
just punishes you with American election talk and you're not
let into it.

Speaker 3 (01:48:27):
Wow, that's not fair. I actually punish you mainly with
their fantasy league, which I'm currently at the top of
Flinkle Clutch, a great league. Currently I am the commissioner,
but I am at number one.

Speaker 31 (01:48:38):
Yes you are fantompol. Yes, I'm a lot more invested
in our fantasy footbawl league than I am that I
am in this election, but not at the same time
yet it is it is a friend of mine, a
lot of Kiwis. I could definitely you're checking out it
at four square and I just remember this last couple
of weeks that people are asking about your your opinion
on Trump or I think somebody I'm from Chicago, somebody

(01:49:00):
asked me how I thought about the mayoral election recently,
which I had.

Speaker 7 (01:49:04):
I couldn't tell you.

Speaker 31 (01:49:05):
I couldn't tell you any candidates, but I know it
is it is interesting to hear how how how I invested?
You guys are.

Speaker 3 (01:49:12):
Yeah, yeah, And that's that's the thing, isn't it. And
when in New Zealand, we see social media and we
see the cable news networks, so we see the most
hyper engaged people in the election, Americans in election, and
we just assume everyone in the States is running around
sitting the here on fire, freaking out about the election.
So it's nice to talk to an American who's more
interested in sport.

Speaker 31 (01:49:33):
Yeah, it's it's a vocal miority minority, right that you
see through social media and that you see through the
news outlets, and we get like me, I think it's
coming in New Zealand. Now it's almost like I like,
and it's almost seem like a traffic jam, but you're
like on the other side of the highway as you
kind of cruise by. There's so much commotion on the
other side. You're kind of interested, you're glad or not

(01:49:53):
into it, like maybe there is a car crash upcoming,
but you're just it's really just a we're going to
see it from the other side. We're going to cruise
right on through.

Speaker 3 (01:50:01):
Thank you so much, Chris. Great to talk to you.
And if you are freaking out about the election, I
thought i'd try and do something to try and help people,
because I know people are very about it.

Speaker 4 (01:50:09):
It's a charge.

Speaker 3 (01:50:09):
Saw Tim Rocksburgh out there and he was he's quite
stressed about things. So I wrote an article called, don't
worry about the US election. The future is so uncertain
you might be freaking out in the wrong direction. And
you can read that at Matt Heath dot substack dot
com Matt Heath dot substack dot com. You can read
that for free.

Speaker 4 (01:50:24):
Very good Chres. Good to chance and hopefully you smash
Matt Matt in the Fantasy league. Are you number one?

Speaker 12 (01:50:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:50:30):
Yeah, yeah, no, amazing team. I was unlucky in the draft.
But I've just I've just I'm just I've just been
picking using the waiver system. Let's not get into this
I could talk about fantasy football forever, Tony.

Speaker 9 (01:50:41):
How are you, my friend, gentleman Tom shy brief. I'm
going to pick Carmela Harris to win only because of
that particular college professor who seems to get it right. You.

Speaker 3 (01:50:54):
I've seen.

Speaker 4 (01:50:56):
You.

Speaker 3 (01:50:56):
I've seen a few people seen that through what's what's
the professor's name.

Speaker 9 (01:51:01):
I haven't got it right in front of me, but
I've read articles about him, and the only one that
he got wrong was the one that el Gore last.
And his argument against why he why he got it
wrong was the fact that a lot of the Florida
votes and that particular election weren't allowed. They wouldn't been
eligible or something, and if if Agore had won the
Florida seat, he would have taken the election against Bush.

(01:51:23):
To see, but.

Speaker 4 (01:51:25):
Yeah, that's the guy that has the thirteen keys to
the White House, and he indicates each of those keys
are ye, yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:51:32):
That's the one.

Speaker 4 (01:51:33):
And he's still picking Harris. The latest pick from him,
judging on those thirteen keys, that was still leaning towards Harris.

Speaker 24 (01:51:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:51:40):
Yeah, well, well he sort of made his mind up.
He's basically stated that she will get cheat. She will
become the president. I guess I look at it like
he knows a lot more than I do about it.
So yeah, I'd probably back Harris, and I think for
New Zealand it would be a lot better if she does.
Want to be honest, you know, if i'm mister Trump,
if he comes in, he's going to put tariffs on

(01:52:01):
products in this sort of thing, and he's going to
make it quite difficult for some exporters, you know, keep
our fingers crossed.

Speaker 4 (01:52:08):
Absolutely. Yep, No, good one, your take, Thank your mate,
Go well, enjoy the rest of the afternoon and evening.
Got to get to a break. It is ten minutes
to four and after four o'clock.

Speaker 3 (01:52:17):
Yeah that's right.

Speaker 4 (01:52:18):
Sorry, after the after the air break, you've got a
bit of a less style.

Speaker 3 (01:52:21):
Yeah, that's right. I'm just going to finish the show
on an up buzz by playing five American songs just
to celebrate this great day, this great day for democracy.

Speaker 4 (01:52:32):
Arguably, it has nine minutes to four.

Speaker 1 (01:52:37):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. That Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons you
for twenty twenty four used talk sad B B.

Speaker 4 (01:52:47):
Good afternoon. It is six to four.

Speaker 3 (01:52:50):
This has been the craziest US election ever. The new
cycle is now so tight that Trump got shot and
the media had moved on in less than a week.
The sitting president was clear he wanted to run, and
then he messed up so badly in a debate the
VP got the ticket. As Winston Churchill said, democracy is
the worst form of government except for all those other
forms that have been tried. But democracy is being tried.

(01:53:11):
Social media companies have changed everything. The algorithm has things
so polarized. It's very hard to tell the truth. We
are living in our media bubbles, and mainstream media isn't helping.
One of the consequences of this bubble dome is the
male female political divide. In the States, females support Kamla
plus seventeen, male support Trump plus eighteen. That's a thirty

(01:53:32):
four point shift between the sexes, growing at up to
five percent a year. Men are feeling abandoned by the left,
and in New Zealand they're feeling the same way too.
How does the world in which the sexes are diametrically
opposed politically work out. I'm going to predict not good.
So how do we get out of our bubbles. There
was only one answer. Go to the source material, look
it up. Watch two minutes before and after the audio

(01:53:54):
grab you're furious about on TikTok. Listen to long form
interviews with politicians. Two hours with a politician, and you
will find out who they are. Most of all, listen
to opposing opinions. Try and get your head around other
people's ideas. You might find out you are angry about
things that aren't even true. That's my goal. To steal
man the opposing argument, ask if they have a point.

(01:54:17):
If we don't do that, then the social media companies
who earn from division make the money from it, and
democracy becomes very difficult. Break your bubble, people, find the truth,
and then at least you can be a legitimate part
of your democracy. It's better than any other system unless
we all decide to sit under the thumb of the
skewed incentives of the evil social media giants. Here's looking

(01:54:39):
at you, TikTok, Meta and all the dirty rest of you.
Break your bubbles, find the truth. It will hurt having
your belief challenge, but all of us both sides, really
need to start doing it. If we do that, then
to semi quote Winston Churchill. Again, democracy will not go
quietly into the.

Speaker 4 (01:54:56):
Night, very nicely, said Matt. And I'm just going to
be nice and quick here. It's been polarized, it's been charged,
it's been out land to shares. American elections often are,
particularly over the last eight years. What I will say
is I feel believe whatever way it goes, it will
be all right. The world will keep turning, will be okay.
So don't worry too much about.

Speaker 3 (01:55:14):
It, well said Tyler. And now, just to finish the
show on a bag up, I've put together the official
five election songs for twenty twenty four. Here we go,
add number five, Hasiting in There nineteen eighty four, Born
in the USA at number four, American Girl Tom Pety

(01:55:36):
nineteen seventy six, Ken Wild Kids.

Speaker 4 (01:55:39):
Of America at number two, Living in America, James Brown,
and the number one from nineteen seventy one, Bomin Whiskey
and right.

Speaker 1 (01:55:50):
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