Full Show Podcast: 07 April 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you great New Zealanders, and welcome to Matt and
Tyler Afternoon's Full Show Podcast number one three for Monday,
the seventh of April twenty twenty five. Fantastic show today.
We had, we had stories of success came in. We
had shocking stories about jury service. It's amazing what people

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are willing to.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Share, crazy cases.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
And we answer the question once and for all from
an expert, do state houses have good bones or is
that just a myth?

Speaker 4 (00:46):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (00:47):
A lot of chat about the gum boot doors. That's
not what they call but you have to listen to
find out. And the stream behind the gun boot door
that's your phrase, gum boot door.

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Speaker 1 (01:06):
Love Youses, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
The well, good ay to you. Welcome into the show.
It is Monday afternoon. Hope you had an amazing weekend
whatever you were doing. Thanks for listening. As always, kid
it Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
I certainly had a fantastic weekends. And look, I wanted
to bring this up because I felt bad. We were
talking about Minecraft on Friday on the show, and I'm
a big fan of the game and I think it's
great for children. We had that discussion and a lot
of people ringing in and agree with that, but we
need Jerk said that the Minecraft movie was rubbish. I'd
listened to Hosking Breakfast and he ordered all over it

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and said it was a one star movie and it
was terrible. And I just took that on board. Yeap,
I've got to stop listening to other people's reviews. And
you look at Rotten Tomatoes and it doesn't have a
great review on at forty eight percent. But I went
to a screening of this movie and I thought it
was just so funny and so good, and it was
a sold out screening. It was absolutely rammed at Saint

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Luke's and at the end standing ovation. I haven't been
to a movie where people have clapped in a very
very long time at the end because it's such a
fun and funny movie, and if you know Minecraft, a
Minecraft movie delivers a lot of those little things. But
Jason Momoa's slapstick humor is so funny in it. Jack
Black's gating it, grating it, Jennifer call it. She's funny

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in it, as she always is.

Speaker 5 (02:35):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
I just thought it was such a great movie, and
I was sitting in there laughing away going I was
on the radio saying that I didn't think this was
a very good movie before I'd even seen it, and
I thought that was disgusting. And someone should taze me
for that kind of behavior, because for who goes on
the radio and sees that they think of movies rubbish
when they haven't seen it.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
But it's so easy to fall in that trap, and
I hate myself when I do it as well. But
you listen too much to these toffee nose critics. They
don't know what they're talking about. I mean, do they
have any fun in their life? That's what going on
movies about?

Speaker 6 (03:04):
Right?

Speaker 2 (03:05):
I have fun exactly. And you know, the one of
the greatest movies of all time, Taken for example, got
terrible reviews when it came out. But what the critics say,
and what the audience wants. You're seeing this all the time.

Speaker 7 (03:18):
Now.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
What the actual audience wants and what the critics want
is very, very, very different in a movie. And you
know that's played out by the fact that the movie
got twice as much money at the American box office
as expected. It got one hundred and fifty seven American
million dollars in its first week, absolute record for a
video game movie, and it was only predicted to get

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eighty million dollars.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
A blinder. It's going to be a huge financial success,
no doubt about it.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
My kids loved it. I loved it. Everyone else in
the theater loved it. So I take that back.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Look at that text, Matt. My wife watched it twice
over the weekend. Fantastic film. My kids absolutely adored as well.
Boom Boom.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
The good on you, Jesse, I love that.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Go see Minecraft right too. The show today after three o'clock,
we want to have a wee chat about jury service.
It is on the back of a story about a
new time type of escape room that is taking the
world by storm. It's effectively jury service in an escape room, but.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
You're paying for it.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah, so you people, they.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Can't get people to go and do jury service. But
now they've got these jury service games where you go along,
you sit in a room with eleven strangers or how
many friends you can get together, and you deliberate on
a crime that never happened. Amazing. But I remember a
few about late last year, we were talking about jury

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service and it came up and we were talking about
it on a different topic, but people started ringing through
and they had really exciting jury service stories, so they
were sharing with us, but we had to cut them
off because it was too many calls coming through. So anyway,
I want to talk about whether you'd go to this,
whether you pay to be do jury service in a
one hour specially hyped up jury service, fake scape room

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type situation or one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Have
you had an interesting time on jury service and let's
get people excited about doing the real thing.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
So right, that is after three o'clock, after two o'clock,
what are your secrets to success? It's on the back
of a new series that the Herald are running at
the moment, called On the Up, and this particular story
had to look at some successful individuals in new Zealand
and what was their keys to success? Fascinating read, But
we want to open up that question to you yourself.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, we've got Alise Andrews, the Olympic gold medal cyclist,
and we've got Les Mills, you know he was mayor.
He was also an Olympian and of course he started
those gymsp So we've got these stories and there's some
similarities between what they say in terms of success. But
we want you to break the shackles of that New
Zealand humbleness. And if you've been successful, ring eight hundred

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and eighty ten eighty, tell us how you've been successful
and why you believe you're successful, and how your philosophy
differs from people that haven't been successful, and maybe you
can help the world and maybe because we need more
successful people in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Obviously obviously let's pump ourselves up. That's after two o'clock.
But right now, let's have a chat about Kayang Order
state homes. So up to nine hundred state homes will
be sold on a yearly basis, potentially earning up to
five hundred million dollars for the organization and the government.
They are going to be selling where they are sitting
currently on a treasure trove of land with strong development potential,

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they say, in wealthy suburbs. So these are suburbs such
as allis Lee, Pons and b Westmere, Mounted and Points Chevalier,
among others. And it's said suburbs, Yeah, very good, you're
mounted in it. Yeah, And it seas all money made
from the sales will be reinvested into homes and more
affordable areas. So getting out of the remu eras and
the mount edens and getting into what could be considered

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lower are lower socio areas.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
So do you have a problem with us one hundred
and eighty ten eighty? Do you think we should unleash
the financial potential from the flash areas so we can
buy more build more houses in less fresh flash areas
because the number of state houses isn't going to go down,
that's the idea. They'll keep the stocks up around seventy thousand.
They just think that there's money being stored up unnecessarily
in these valuable properties. Do you believe that? Also, have

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you bought an X state home and how do they
stack up? Because a lot of people are going to
be buying them of course, some developers will level them
and build twenty five townhouses on the spot where one
quarter acre was. But have you bought a state house
in the past, and how do they stack up? Because
I'm actually looking at a state house at the moment

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ext state house.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
You are, and it's a beautiful looking former state home.
Yeah yeah, But that was always the case with state homes,
and it still is with a lot of the older
state home stock. Is they are very well built homes.
They've got good bones in them, but they've just got
that quintessential beautiful cottage nature about it. You know. The
remove floors sometimes also be wood floors.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
But they have that humiliating gumboot door that you have
to get rid of as soon as you buy them.
You know, that sort of weird gum boot. It's just
like that weird entrance. There's no decent indoor outdoor flow
in a classic state.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
House that's keen out in the outdoor flow. But keen
to hear from you on this one. I eight one
hundred and eighty ten eighty. How do you feel about
Coying Order's strategy of selling in the very wealthy areas
and building more in the more affordable areas and if
you've bought a state home, really keen to hear from you. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number? It
is fourteen past one.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons used
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Speaker 3 (08:34):
It is sixteen past one, and we're talking about the
coying order strategy of selling up parcels of land and
state homes and what are wealthy areas of Auckland and
around other parts of New Zealand and using that money
to buy and build more homes and affordable areas.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Which sounds incredible. I support it, but here's the opposing
arguments come through. On nineteen nine two, the philosophy behind
having state houses and all sorts of demographics was that
those in state houses could not be separated from those
who own their own or rented. This was a great philosophy.
Yet at the moment it is a philosophy the country
just cannot afford it. Okay, they asked a boorting it.
I have no problem with them selling up and buying more.

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In fact, that would be the responsible thing to do.
But the idea, the opposing idea is that it's quite
good to have people the disadvantage and amongst people that
are doing well, because maybe they meet people that do this,
you don't end up with that are doing well. They
learn the lessons of doing well and they don't end
up and we don't end up in with ghettos, you know.

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So if you just sprinkle a state house or two
on affluent streets, then it helps the people on you know,
get a leg up. Just on the question, I mean,
it might marry someone rich from the other road exactly.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
I mean, there's no doubt about it that they are
going to have any less social housing, but arguably they
are going to have more. Right that if they sell
in these very wealthy areas, then they can afford to
build two three times more in affordable areas. But is
that the wrong way to look at it? Do we
want to be building more social housing or do we
actually want to be looking at why that demand is
so high at the moment seventy thousand state homes in

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New Zealand. I would argue, look heads off to them
on a strategy to try and build some more homes
where the needers is most great, But I would say
that surely you're looking at ways to get people out
of that state home rather than build more.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Ideally, there'll be no such thing as a state home,
right yea. Ideally everyone will be doing well enough to
be able to rent or buy their own house at
market rates. But that's a long way off if we're
currently running seventy thousand of them soon. Welcome to show
your thoughts on this.

Speaker 8 (10:37):
I've good afternoon. Well, I'm furious. I'm a post to
gentrification and not one more state house should be sold.
And what gets me to no one nobody gives a
stuff about the repercussions for the tenants, who are often

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widows of returned servicemen or elderly seniors and very sick people,
and they all lose their community support the cake of
a stay in the extribute room.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
What about? So we get that, but say, if you've
got one person living in a house with three bedrooms,
then surely we can move them to a more suitable
accommodation and you can move a whole family in there.
That would be the logic, wouldn't it, Well, a whole
family into the selling off and the new property that

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they build if you see what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (11:38):
Either they're not moving family son, that's what I said,
flopping them off to the developers. The developers are getting
in them all and speculating.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah, I think we get your points there.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yeah, thank you very much, Sue. So critics, you know,
and Sue was one of them, say the sell off too,
from the better communities to the lower socio communities. You've
got to get that mixed right across the city because,
as you mentioned, Matt, when you have some social housing
and a place like Remuera, for example, then those people

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who are lucky enough to get that state home are
then involved in a community and an area that has
been very successful. They go to good schools. The flow
and effects arguably are going to be very good for
those families. But again it's just a lot of draw right.
Of course, anybody who gets into a state home would
like to be in a good area. But is that
an option that they really should should have.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Oh well, you're looking at this ones here, three Ellisley
cottages and adjoining blocks of land that each have two
million plus council valuations and a point Chevalle at home
reportedly soldial developer for one point three seven million. Yeah,
so I mean although when they were building some houses recently,
young order, they weren't getting much back from that change.

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Were too much changed back on each one of those apartments.
So as long as they can use the money efficiently
where they do it.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yeah, just quickly, where we're renting at the moment, there
is a big block of social housing right down the
end of the street. And I'm going to say, by
and large, I'm not super close for about five hundred
meters away to see, by and large, not too bad.
You know, it seems to work fairly well. But I
will preface that by saying a lot of older people

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in those state homes, and I don't know whether that
has been a strategy to have more older people within
those state homes rather than a mix of different families
which could be troubled.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Yeah, this taxi here is pushing back on suit. Some
people have sat in a state house for thirty years,
even when their children have left, and sit on a
one point quarter acre section. Plus they get accommodation supplance,
et cetera, et cetera. We can't afford this. We are
in debt. And yeah, you wouldn't want to see that
would you? Which is which sad though, because you know

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someone's had their whole life somewhere and you know, maybe
they're getting older and you go get out, Then that
is sad. But you could also look at the other
way and go, geez, you had a good run, yeah,
and how you had a good run and a sweet
house and now we're going to move you into another one.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
And how many first time buyers in particular, or you know,
middle income families can afford the quarter rack as friction
these days it's just not viable. Oh, eight hundred AC
ten eighty is the number to call, love to hear
your thoughts. And if you've purchased a state home, really,
keen DEVI chat with you.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, how is it? And if you I'd love to
guess for someone that purchased it, purchased it, because of
course you might purchase it, you know, once it's been renovated.
But someone that purchased the house that was most recently
a state house, they didn't bowl it and they didn't
they were a property developer. They bought it and renowed it.
I'd like to hear from them.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yep, it is twenty two past one.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking Breakfast.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Clime Minister is well, as do you expect to see
a global recession?

Speaker 9 (14:52):
I think the tariffs and trade wars are going to
cause huge pressure economically. That'll lead to rising inflation, There'll
be currency challenges, they'll be slow down in economic growth.
And that's why we just don't think it's the right thing.
I mean, it's interesting, Mike, having lived in the US,
that private sector will slow up big time. It'll stop
on a dime, and the only loser and all of
that is going to be us consumer.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
It's going to be paying a lot more. Can you
explain his logic?

Speaker 1 (15:12):
No?

Speaker 9 (15:12):
I mean, I just have been a person for a
long time just doesn't believe that tariff's work. All that
happens as you end up piling on costs to the consumer.
It's the same reason why we won't retaliate with a
ten percent to tariff the other way, because Frank dest
just hurts his own workers big time.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Back tomorrow at six am, the mic asking Breakfast with
Maylee's Real Estate News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
News Talk ZED be good afternoon. We are talking about
kayang or order. Just quickly While we're laughing, we're still
talking about that beautiful steak you had a badoozy, such
a good stake.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
I've been talking about I've been talking about that steak
for four days. Right, it was great, say, but I
have been shamed for having the steak at an Italian restaurant.
Food of the people, badoozi.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Yeah, shame, shame. But back to but also have.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
The clam meat balls.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Okay, Okay, there we go, so you went half Italian.
We are talking about Quayang Order and their strategy of
selling in wealthy suburbs and building in more affordable community.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Shall we say this Texas is I disagree with you
on Matt. State houses make the whole area antisocial. We
can't go to the dairy or walk our dogs because
we get jumped by those unrulies. I haven't heard the
term unrulies for a while. My dad sometimes calls unrulies boyos,
see the boyos. But yeah, I mean I was saying
that from the point of view of the people in
the state house getting an advantage by being on a

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street with in a more affluent area. Because you know,
maybe I don't know what the exact stats on it.
But I imagine if you are around successful people, then I
think you generally have a bit of chance of meeting
people that might help you out and be more successful.
I'm not sure it certainly would stop the getaization if
you have everyone in the same area. But having said that,

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I knew these good friends of mine who lived beside
a state house, and they were absolutely terrorized by the
children in the house next door, to the point where
at one point my mate had to get on the
roof and got into an altercation on the roof when
there was two of the kids on the roof trying
to smash tiles on the roof of his house and
throwing things off and behaving like that. So it was

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like assault on Precinct thirteen for him.

Speaker 5 (17:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, but maybe it was good for the kids. Yeah,
I just thought a pir interaction with my wealthy friend
might have been good. Yeah, when he was spraying them
with the host.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
There you go, O one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. And if you've bought a
state home as well, we'd love to hear from you. Paul.
How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 10 (17:29):
Pretty good?

Speaker 11 (17:30):
Thanks guys yourself?

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Good now? Did you want to have a chat about
this new strategy or you purchased a state house yourself.

Speaker 12 (17:37):
I purchased a state house in the mid nineties and
renovated it.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
So before you bought it, the last thing it was
was a state house. So you were the first sort
of I don't know, a private citizen to be in there.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
Correct.

Speaker 12 (17:50):
Yes, And it was a when I got it, they
ripped out the carpet and the curtains and everything. It
was a pretty bare board's house.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Had they left the light bulbs because because once my
parents moved into a house and we got in there
and we'd locked it up. I was very young at
the time. But then there was just wires hang down
that the previous people had cut the wires off and
just left them, you know, So there's no light bulbs
or even light things. Anyway, I digress. So what described
the state house you bought, Paul?

Speaker 11 (18:20):
Yes, so interesting. It was a trueplex interesting a few fronts.

Speaker 13 (18:25):
They were designed by people from the northern hemdset was
un predominantly so my north facing side of the house
was a kitchen, a laundry, and the bathroom and a
bedroom with no window on the northern side, but also the.

Speaker 12 (18:43):
You know, they're they're well known for being well built.
That's actually a bit of a fallacy as well when
you start from them. But there was gaps and then
all sorts of place pos They shouldn't have been gaped.
And what they used to what they used to do
is have one tradesman on them and then some lackey's
basically after the war.

Speaker 11 (19:03):
So, yeah, they're beautiful, beautiful simbers.

Speaker 12 (19:06):
Not necessarily them could quality built.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
So what year sorry I might have missed that, Paul,
What year was was this this house originally built? The
state House?

Speaker 6 (19:16):
Four ts?

Speaker 14 (19:17):
I'm I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yes, after the and so so you you bought one
side of the duplex and obviously obviously the other side
was sold as well. That wasn't still remaining as a
state house the other side of the duplex? Correct, yes,
And did the other people renovate as well?

Speaker 12 (19:35):
They did not, not to the same extent. I got
big piphons and took alls out pyphols and and you know,
opened up on that northern side.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Basically, did it have did your the duplex that you bought,
you're part of it? Did it have that kind of
weird gum boot door that state houses always seemed to have.

Speaker 15 (19:55):
Absolutely.

Speaker 12 (19:56):
Yes, again, I managed to put the alterations blues that.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Shall we say, what about the bay windows on the inside.
Was that a feature of your state home?

Speaker 12 (20:08):
No man knows, but it didn't mean some views out
to the south, So yeah, it's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
So, Paul, did you get a good deal on buying it?
And have you have you do you still live in
it or have you sold it?

Speaker 11 (20:19):
No? I saw that early two thousand, so I was
probably in there about eight or nine years. Yeah, it
was a pretty good deal at the time in terms
of that. Yeah, I was in one Tree Hills, so
the area was a better area in terms of prices,
And yeah, managed to buy the price I could afford.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
And so you know, you say that that there's a
little bit of a myth that the bones of these
state houses, because well, it's something you hear constantly. Yes,
I don't know much about bones of houses, but I'm
constantly hearing that.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
It's a nice line.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Is I've probably hear it about once a week. Someone
said those those nineteen forty, nineteen to fifty state houses
have great bones. But you're calling that into question. So
how much did you actually have to do to you know,
on a foundational level, to you know, in your renovation,
it wasn't so.

Speaker 12 (21:11):
Much on foundations. I mean I only had to beef
up foundations where I was putting beams in. Now it's
more when you pulled your off to move walls and whatnot,
and you go, oh that that diagonal races, right.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
That's not what you want. And so was this was
this weather board Paul on the outside.

Speaker 14 (21:31):
Block right, Yeah, so Brecantile.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
Yeah, I've heard bad things about weather board, not because
you know, there's anything wrong with the bones, just because
it's it's a lot of Admont, you know, replacing weather
boards and uh, it's it's quite a bit of up key.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yes, So Paul, you would recomm recommend someone purchasing a
state house or you you would say, no, there's tony
weird diagonal things in the walls.

Speaker 12 (21:58):
Now, look, it was it was a good experience overall,
but it's it's more a myth that they were well
built in my opinion.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
Thank you so much for your call, Paul, appreciate Its
good to clarify that you are right though. Whenever they
say it's got good bones, and I always just take
that as Hey, that's a good house. But I never
looked into it any deeper than that. I just accepted
it was good bones.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
It's one of those truths that we carry around with
us that we've never investigated. You just get told it
your whole life for those state houses built well, you know,
that might look like rubbish, might have a whole of
crap in the front yard, might have a humiliating gum
boot entry, might have a washing line with something disgusting
hanging off it. But the bones are good.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
We are talking about this new strategy from kying order
about selling and wealthy suburbs and buying more homes and
affordable areas. And also if you've purchased a state home,
loved to ear.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Wow, We've got a caller talking about housing from a
police officer's point of view. So looking forward to that.
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Speaker 3 (24:19):
Thank you very much. Ray Lean and we are talking
about the sell off of some state homes and affluent
areas with the strategy of hopefully getting some good money
from the sale of that land in those homes and
then reinvesting that into more affordable areas.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
And there has been some push back on the truth
we've all been told our whole life. I guess what
is it? The just the bedrock of belief in New
Zealand that state homes have good bones. And this text
to here says, hey, Pete Wolfcamp always says that they
have good bones. So I'm putting my trust in that

(24:54):
building legend. Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Well, Piez is a legend and he certainly knows his stuff.
So maybe we might see if we can have a
we chat with Pete's a little bit later.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
This hour six am, two nine am Sundays.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
Yeah, he knows this stuff. Yeah, yeah, we'll tell it.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
He certainly knows more than me. And a lot of
people ask me what I mean by that gum boot
entrance that you have, which because I've always looked at
state homes and they're quite functional, and they come from
an era when people weren't so indoor outdoor flow focused.
They were talking you know about you know, there was
some decks out the front, and so someone will know
the name for it. On eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

(25:31):
So it's sort of a I guess it's where you
came and you took your gum boots off, and it's
a little alcove before the door where you take your
gum boots off and you hang your jacket up before
you go inside. There'll be a name for.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
It, right, so similar. I've just pulled up some weet
images here and I've actually googled gum.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
But no, those are pictures of gum boots.

Speaker 15 (25:48):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Oh this little door here, No, that doesn't right.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
That's not it. You've shown me twenty five pictures of
gum boots and a door with a gum boot in
front of it.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
I've got no idea. I mean, googled and help me.
You have helped me.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Someone will know it's a porch. It's it's a little
porchy thing, but I think it's primarily so you take
your gum boots off before you go inside, or your
shoes off and you hang your jacket up. We had
it on one of the entrances of my house on
us growing up until we got knocked down and replaced
by like a sort of a coverage.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
I don't know, help us out nine to nine two.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
The hell's Peter wolf Camp. When you need them to
tell me what that's called.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
We're going to get them on the case. O E
one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Tom.
How are you?

Speaker 17 (26:33):
Yeah, good mate?

Speaker 2 (26:34):
How are you guys?

Speaker 16 (26:34):
Good?

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Thank you? So you have a perspective on state housing
from the position of the police.

Speaker 14 (26:41):
Yeah, So it's my personal opinion. I'm not going to
reflect it solely on police, but I'm based in Auckland,
and I kind of agree with if they are going
to transition from wealthy, prominent areas into I guess more
affordable areas. You could say. Reason for that being is
I just feel that there's those poor people that have
actually been placed those wealthy areas. Is a bit of

(27:05):
a spotlight on you. And I've been to jobs where
neighbors are bordering on state helping and I'm not trying
to say all state houses effect neighbors, but there's a
big percentage of people that are threatened bodies neighbors and
just the violence that in cures on these people. So
I can kind of see where they want to try
and pull it back to affordable health and put them

(27:27):
in a lower socioeconomic area, do you think they have
better outcomes?

Speaker 2 (27:32):
So, you know, you get the point as you say
that the finger gets pointed, But do you think there's
better outcomes for people if they're surrounded by more affluent,
affluent people, if the finger isn't being pointed, do you
think there's more opportunities or it's you know, arguably a
safer place for them to grow up a family.

Speaker 14 (27:53):
Yeah, one hundred percent. For that small percentage of people
that you know are generally struggling out there, they want
to get a leg up in society. I definitely agree
for that. Unfortunately, and I can't say what the statistics
would be, So I'd say there'd be a larger number
of people that are kind of in that criminal kind

(28:13):
of jeopardy where it just doesn't.

Speaker 6 (28:16):
Really mix well.

Speaker 14 (28:17):
Unfortunately. It's sad to say, is it.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
I mean, on the flip side of that, Tom, is
it not almost a downward spiral to the bottom, then
that you have all of your state at home and
what would be called low socio areas that the disadvantage
of those people already have is made worse by having
more social housing in that area.

Speaker 18 (28:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (28:39):
Possibly. I'll just give you an example. So I do
a lot of work in South Auklam as well, and
it is quite frustrating because some of the state housing
that the government's placed in certain areas, some are right
next to soupermarkets, some are very close to small suburb CBDs.
The amount of shop listing and just loitering as well,

(29:02):
and then the call out to unruly neighbors at war.
I just think there's a better strategy is that they
need to come up long term to support these people.
And yeah, obviously there's the other hand where people are
getting effected, especially like supermarkets and shop owners.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Yeah, Tom, thank you very much, really great to chat
to you.

Speaker 10 (29:23):
Man.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
The amount of teps that have come through on your
gum boot door. A lot of people calling it the mudroom.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, I thought a mudroom was inside though, So it's
what it is is just a covered entrance. So the
door sits back a little bit, either that or it
comes out, so the steps come up and it's just
a covered area where you would think you would have
possibly you know, a deck leading out into the sun
and some indoor outdoor flow. It's just this little door,

(29:49):
you take your jacket off, you hang that up, but
it's still outside. So a mudroom, in my understanding of mudrooms,
is actually inside. So you've already gone through the door
and then you sort of take your maybe that would
be called a vestibule.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
So it's so it's on the external part of the
house and there's this wee kind of cut out area
melted then you see quite often and dock huts for example.
I think they've got them.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, wait, yeah, maybe yeah, yeah, yeah, so you don't.
So you don't. So you can take your jacket off.
You're not inside yet. You can take your jacket off,
and you can take your boots off before you go inside,
so you're not tramping stuff through the house and you're
not got your wet jacket inside.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
It's just a coat room on the outside of the house.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yeah, but it's opened up to the steps.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
It's a covered port.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
It's just a covered it's just a covered ports. You
muppet says, that's okay, but it doesn't have great indoor
out or flow, and that's my problem with it.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Right, We're going to get Pete wolf Camp to hopefully
sort this out.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
And how come we don't need them anymore? How come
you don't see them on houses anymore? If they're so great?

Speaker 3 (30:46):
How often do you wear gummies these days?

Speaker 2 (30:47):
A lot? Yeah, very much.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
It makes my legs, it's great. It makes my thighs
sit up nicely.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Oh eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. And just quickly before we go to the break,
we've been getting a lot of calls from our christ
Chitch listeners. So for those listening to christ Church are
building fire in christ Chuches, Bromley is sending thick blacks
smoke across the city. The mass Road property is believed
to be an electrical company, so we'll keep you up
to date with that as the afternoon progresses.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Okay, here we go. We've got the definitive answer to
my question. In the context of New Zealand, a state
house alclove refers to with small enclosed space or recess
within a state house, often used for storage or as
a feature in the home design.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Know, that's not at I reckon, someone put that into
chet GPT.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, that's that's the chet GPT mirage.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Oh On, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number.
To call if you know what the mud room slash
covered porch slash gumboot door is called. Let us know.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
I feel like we've gone off piece to here we have.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
It is sixteen to two.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
call eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
Say'd be very good afternoon to you. It is fourteen
to two. Well, joining us right now is the resident
builder Pete wolf Camp. You know him well. He is
a master when it comes to everything trade and building.
And he's on the line. Get apetes.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
How are you, Tyler?

Speaker 3 (32:09):
I'm very good.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Matt's here as well. How are you Matt now? Yes,
good to talk to you second time on this morning,
I understand or this today you're on with health. Well,
we've had a bit of pushback on one of the
things that we get brought up believing in New Zealand
that the bones of those classic state houses in New

(32:32):
Zealand are very good, that they were very well built.
We've had a couple of people saying that they've bought
them and they haven't been great. But can you comment
on that, on the bones of the classic New Zealand
State House.

Speaker 19 (32:44):
I look, the fairest way to describe them is they
were often built by you know, suitably qualified, experienced tradespeople,
and if they were state houses, they were often done
with like a clerk of works, right, and then the
clerk of works would be the person who would monitor
the quality. They were often built with really good quality timber,

(33:06):
lots of removed floors, lots of removed frame, nice matt
high weatherboards, and I've worked on plenty of them and
they are remarkably robust. They're also incredibly simple buildings, right,
so you know, in terms of insulation, in terms of
draft proofing and that pretty much non existent. So right bones,

(33:26):
but thereafter they don't perform particularly well.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Okay, now I got you. We've summed that up. So
in a modern context, they're probably not delivering everything they
need to do, but they'll they'll hold up under our
own weight for it for a very long time. Second question,
and this is what I'm getting a lot of heat
for because I was saying I was saying that when
you look at a state house, there's that little thing
out in the front. Is that just called a port
where where you come in and you take your boots

(33:51):
off and you hang your jacket up. And state houses
typically had that on the entrance way, maybe up a
couple of stairs that covered entrance. Was that just called
a port.

Speaker 19 (34:01):
Yes, pretty much. So, I mean they're there to provide
a little bit of cover to the front door. You
could get there, you could take your boots off. Was
way before we got all flash about mud rooms and
somewhere to hang your riding boots and your fancy green
wellies and your bloody three hundred dollars jacket and all
that nonsense. So it was just it was somewhere it

(34:21):
provides a bit of cover. It's actually quite if you
think about designs now, if you go to someone's front
door and there's a little bit of cover, it feels
really welcoming. Now, I think that's what it ultimately was about.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Well, I guess now you might have a larger covering
because we you know, we spend more time sort of
sitting out on it on a deck. Probably that might
have a cover that goes quite quite right across.

Speaker 19 (34:40):
And thinking about there, I think we shift from sort
of utility space to outdoor living space, right, and that's
where it might go from being a porch to a purglar,
you know.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
And then the kids just leave four thousand different pairs
of shoes out in the front. There a bike there.
It's an absolute disaster. You go back to.

Speaker 19 (34:59):
See my boot collection on the front porch like that.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
But thank you.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
We went off the rails a bit, Pete, So thank
you very much for putting it back on.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Talk back enjoy guys.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
All right, thanks very much. That is cheers mate. That
is the resident builder, Pete Wolf. Can't now New Zealander.
It's a porch.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
It's a porch.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
Look, it's what it was all along.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
I'm experiencing a lot of humiliation. I've got this from
my defacto mother in law. It's a porch, you idiot.
We had one at Gardner Air.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Yeah, very I've had great fun this hour. Oh eight
hundred eighty, ten to eighty is the number to call.
We'll get things back on track a little bit. It
is ten to two.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heath and Taylor Adams
Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
V News Talks. Very good afternoon. We're just talking about
remove floors and state homes some great techs coming through
a nineteen ninet two.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
I bought a state house in the early nineteen nineties
as a result of the then national governments new housing
policy selling up state houses. I was a single mum
living in it already, and given the opportunity to buy
it was a no brainer not to buy it. And
I could afford to buy it. And it was a
beautiful home with beautiful removed floors, beautiful bones to it.
I loved it. I loved it with every fiber of

(36:16):
my being and would never have gone into a house
without this opportunity. That's a lovely story. It's good to
hear that kind of positivity, isn't it is?

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Thank you very much, Lois Ben.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Welcome to the show. You're you're working on a state
house right now? I believe I am.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
Right now, you know. I hope you can still hear
me over all the noise.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
But it sounds like good bones there.

Speaker 5 (36:37):
Oh man, that's just just the best bones.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
How's the porch out in front? Good place for your
whip boots?

Speaker 5 (36:44):
Well, they do live in there, yeah, And I just
love the little daggy ventilation gaps and everywhere and then
that little milk and these and then their bedrooms and
the wood drop's over maining it out there being a draft,
you know what's going on. It's really cold over here.
And yeah, I found the I found a ventilation in

(37:06):
the and the drobes that you've got to sort of
go in and then look back and shine a light
to see it. But now I'm learning a lot about
how they used to build houses back in the day
and nothing day men these competing buildings to buildings these
days and buildings and I'm working on just debfolutely shocking.
But you know, I just feel so guilty, you know,

(37:29):
as I'm pulling out this, this beautiful remark kitchen and
all this, all the beautiful solid products that still been
standing since nineteen forty, nineteen fifty, and that's still there.
It's still completely you know, it's totally useful. Yeah, And
I know that I'm going to be putting and how
I'm going to be replacing.

Speaker 20 (37:47):
Them with the d Yeah kitchen, that's gonna that's gonna
last me ten years. And there's lot times, you know,
so much, so much things are the plans of the
house has changed because I'm pulling out the kitchen and
then I'm finding him behind this and paneled our box
o thing, the old wood, the old chipping, you know,
in the old cold range of them. Oh, I've managed

(38:11):
to recycle those and do the outdoor barbecue area, so
we co range other and we've got the chippy. I've
put that out in the well.

Speaker 5 (38:20):
I took a bold a single garage didn't boosted and
then put in a decent sheet and even even just
the garage was all I had. Cody Shells had remove
frames and that was all. Yeah, I've managed to recycle
so much stuff out of here, so I'm doing the
place a bit of justice. But yeah, you're just finding
so many surprises and yet listening to us for extra

(38:44):
and we are we're doing it.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yeah, well good on you, Ben, too good.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Yeah. I mean they're wrapping out the remove though. That
does hurt. I get why you're doing it, Ben, but.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
But you know that's I think. I think we're airing
on the side of good bones and state houses, but
maybe not for purpose and what we expect in the
house in twenty twenty five. You know, you can't just
have a hole in the wall for ventilation. You need
you need a punishing heat pump.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
Yeah exactly, Thank you very much for all the phone
calls and texts. This one here, guys, name of the
Entree area was traditionally called a verandah, don't do that
to us now we're put that to bed.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
It's porch people wolf Camp said it was a porch.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Yeah, we listened to Pete a gummy porch.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, people seem to think it's a
good idea to sell these expensive ones and build more
cheaper ones in different areas.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
Absolutely good discussion. After two o'clock, we want to ask
you what are your secrets to success? It's on the
back of the On the Up series that the Herald
are doing currently where they ask a bunch of clearly
successful kiwis what is the secret to success? Oh eight,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call,
love to hear from you news.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
This next talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen,
Taylor Adams Afternoons US Talks.

Speaker 5 (39:56):
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Good afternoon. Welcome back into the show. It is six
parts too great to have your company as always and
a good discussion last hour and this one will be
a good discussion as well. It is on the back
of On the Up, which is a new editorial campaign
that ends in me As launching today to tell stories
of success and inspiration across the country. So the company says,

(40:22):
the goal is to showcase the people, businesses, organizations out
there every day making a difference in Kiwi's.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Lives, celebrating success, which is something we need to do
in New Zealand at the moment because we've all been
a bit wingy and complaining and successful people. I believe
wings less than unsuccessful people. I think part of being
successful is just striving ahead and finding a personal philosophy
that can keep you going as things get tough, because
things are always hard, especially creating great things is very

(40:51):
hard to do. And in the New Zealand Herald today
they have some philosophies of success from three very successful people.
At least Andrews you know her as the Olympic She's
got two golds and two sivils at silver's at the
Olympic Games. Fantastics cycle, incredible lez Mills you know him.
He was mayor of Auckland at one point. He was

(41:13):
also an Olympian and of course started the lez Mills
gym s World have been hugely successful. And Makaya Carr
and she is a well known entrepreneurial businesswoman and she
was one of our earliest and successful online influences. So
they've got some very distinctive, you know, philosophies of success

(41:36):
that I'll share in just a minute. But hundred at
eighty ten eighty, if you've been successful in anything, doesn't
have to be you don't have to be the most successful,
but you have to be enough to think that you
have been successful at something hundred eighty ten eighty, what
is your philosophy that has led to that success? And look,
I understand you're going to have to overcome that hurdle
of being a New Zealander where we don't like to

(41:59):
blow our own trumpets. We tend to be humble about
things until I've had a few beers and then we
just go crazy and tell everyone how great we are.
But I think it's helpful for other people. We want
more people to be successful. We need to hear stories
of successful people and the philosophies that got them there.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
We need to pump out ourselves up. This is what
we have failed to do. So now is the time
to do it. But just when we're talking about success
and a lot of people listening out there, everyone I
think has had success to a certain level, right, most
people would have some real losers out there, Tyler, Oh,
there certainly are. Yeah, no, no, no doubt about it.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Actually, what's successive?

Speaker 15 (42:34):
You had?

Speaker 6 (42:35):
No?

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Actually, so we're being positive. We're being positive.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
You know, my secrets is success?

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Think being my assistant on the mat and Tyler afternoons
is a huge success.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
I have improvising information on a lot of people in
this building and that has got I am today joking.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Apologies, what were you saying that?

Speaker 3 (42:52):
I think there's a lot of people listening that would
have had various amounts of success. But the lessons that
were learned along the way, because I think maybe that's
where some of it comes from. It might be you know,
and I kind of hate the word, but whether it
is becoming more resilient or learning that failure is not
necessarily a bad thing. All those things, those lessons that
you learn hopefully when you actually do something that is

(43:12):
worth a worth a dime, Yeah, is perhaps you know
that forms the whole philosophy about what success is.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Well throughout the hour, I will sprinkle in these philosophies
from these three very successful New Zealander Starting with Elise Andrews,
she says, it's important to recognize that not every day
is going to be a positive one. I am the
human and that's okay. Positively for me is rooted in
self belief, clear direction, and life balance. It is more
than turning up with a smile on my face. It

(43:39):
is the behavior's routines and strategies I practice every day
to ensure I can get to the start line and
the best mental state possible. Being an athlete is my
job and passion. However, being happy, healthy and balanced is
what really matters the most. The positivity I draw from
that is the most powerful energy I could possibly bring
to my goal of being the best athlete and version
of myself I can be there. You go, there's her,

(44:01):
her philosophy for success. I imagine that that would work
for whatever you happen to be doing.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Yep, oh oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty the phone
lines of let up. If you can't get through, keep trying.
But let's get into it. It is eleven past two.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Your home of afternoon Talk Matt Heath and Taylor Adams
afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk zed.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
B, News Talk zed B, and we are talking about
what are the secrets to success? This is on the
back of a new editorial campaign by n zed ME
to tell stories of success and inspiration from across the country.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Well, let's go to a person with a very successful
and powerful sounding name, Heath. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (44:49):
It's a good name, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
It's beautiful. I never trust anyone with a I always
say this, I never trust anyone with a first name
for a last name, including myself.

Speaker 6 (45:00):
But you're I wouldn't. I wouldn't trust an with the
last Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Well said, Well, now we've told everyone not to try
either of us. What's your philosophy on success?

Speaker 6 (45:12):
Well, I just got an exciting story for you that
I never thought i'd be telling you one Like I
got to a bit of a crisis point at the
end of my seventies and I'd taken my university as
far as I could without really branching into it. And
I was working for an internet company that were just
just as just when an internet was getting big. We're
working with aiding seas and things like that, and I
had a bit of a falling out with the guys

(45:33):
we were partners with, and I just started teaching music
again part time like I did when I was at university,
and a guitar, bass and drums and all that sort
of thing. In My dad said why do you do
that for a job, And I was like, nah, I can't.
It's not a real job. You know. I'm getting paid
sort of forty bucks an hour to work out number.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
Of the beast or whatever.

Speaker 6 (45:50):
So I was just really pretty happy with that. But
I was only making like twenty grand thirty grand a
year at the most working mys off, but it was
a lot better. But sticking at it and just staying
in there, and you know, so twenty years later, I'm
working for a lot less than I used to and
making a really good wage paid the house off, got
another couple of rentals, and I just sort of think,

(46:12):
if you stick with what you really love and stay
with it and hang in there, you'll get what you want.
But I was also to say, with success, I think
sometimes we're gonna be careful about what we call success,
because I don't think it's always about the cash, you
know about or the family it's about if you can
do what you want to do and get by and

(46:33):
I love it and not regret getting out of bed.
You're in a good place.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
So he absolutely, How did you so you know you're
just teaching guitar.

Speaker 6 (46:44):
I'm teaching both coach bands and your different instruments and things.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And then how did you how did
you move that up to being you know, a more
lucrative operation from you saying you're on twenty grand a year.
How did it move up? If you did?

Speaker 20 (46:57):
You?

Speaker 6 (46:57):
Right? Yeah, right, good, good question. I basically got a
bit more strategic about it. So instead of teaching sort
of one person at home or at their house and
fifty bucks an hour, I would teach you know, four
or five people for twenty five bucks an hour and
a half hour list so things like that, or they're
in coaching is quite good. You've a lot a lot
of work behind the scenes, you know, lots of work.

(47:18):
But yeah, yeah, so just basically getting more people one
but it also getting better organized, you know, just answering
if if someone calls you call them back straight away,
so that emails you straight away. And just so usually
with parents and kids, you know they want to know
that they're kind of being looked after. And if you're
really onto it and just respond, you're made. How many
people stick with you, you know, they trust you a
lot more and don't mind paying you.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
That's fantastic. If you can do what you love and
be financially secure, then that is success in my boy.

Speaker 5 (47:47):
Yeah, I can't believe it.

Speaker 6 (47:49):
I can't believe it.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Did you worry about that when you went that way
or you got to a point we said, you know what,
I don't give us stuff. It's it's going to work
and I'm going to love it.

Speaker 5 (47:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (47:58):
I was loving about my mum and Dad's deli and
hum Bay and not paying any rent. So I just
spent on money on Gypsons and Fenders and then I've
only Almo makes it and w and the I don't care.
I've got cool guitars and they're just sort.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Of Yeah, you're saying that. You know, you're teaching a
lot of iron, Maide, And what do the kids want
to learn now? What's the what's the music they want
to learn? Now?

Speaker 6 (48:22):
It depends in the area. Like when I work in Devenport,
they are a little bit more poppy and stuff like that.
Up and up in the bays are all real A C. D.

Speaker 21 (48:32):
C Rockets people, Bruno Mars Song and they all.

Speaker 6 (48:36):
Screw their faces up and in the area it's still
of anything goes, but they're all kind of different. But
they seemed to be still really And I was just
coaching now and we were doing what are we doing?
We're doing bullet with butterfly wings and in the name
of the anguish entry so pretty, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,

(48:59):
because I was.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Thinking about the other day as showing someone, you know,
the first ref they ever play, and I thought that
it used to be another one bites the dust, but
now it's seven Nation Army. If you're teaching someone based.

Speaker 6 (49:13):
Yeah, but it's too string Army.

Speaker 11 (49:14):
It's a bit of a step up, exactly.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Heith, do you want to give a wee shout out
for your business?

Speaker 6 (49:22):
Oh yeah, I'm just childre Heath Watson Guitar dot com.
But I teach other instruments and if you go to
my website you can find me in all the rest
and open for seven etc.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
If you need to be taught a seven Ancient Nathan
Army at three thirty am. Heath will be.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
Around else anything else, Thank you, very much.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Thank you very much, Heath. I think the point he
made there, which is a really good one. And I
was doing the speech in christ Chitch the other day
and someone asked me. There was a young person that
asked me, you know, what advice would you give in
terms of picking the direction I'm going to go? And
I was saying, well, I think a lot of kids
get this sort of paralysis of decision making because there's
so many options. But I think picking one thing and

(50:03):
sticking at it and making it is it kind of
almost doesn't matter what you pick, as long as you
pick it, and pick one thing that you care about
a little bit and are passionate about it and keep
working at it, and it will eventually become something great.
As opposed to this, there might be the absolute perfect
thing you could pick, but the worst thing you can
do is not start doing anything at all.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Yeah, exactly, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
numbered call. Well there, it is beautiful, honest. Unless you
play that two hundred times over and over and over
and over again, there'll be a lot of Pearents listening
right now saying that, damn riff.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
It's a great place to start. Hard to sing along
and play.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
This great yeah, great tune. Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. It is twenty past two.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
We're looking for your secrets to success.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons. Call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on News Talk.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
ZV afternoon twenty two past two, and we're talking about
the secrets to success on the back of the On
the Up campaign that ends in me is currently running
telling success stories from some of our most successful people.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
And in the Herald today Les Mills, who's ninety, his
philosophy success was get on with it. Obviously. He was
a trailblazer or sport, business and politics. And you know
I've got the Les Mill Jim's Comwealth Games champion, full
time Olympian, and he said, just let nature take its course.

(51:35):
It's no good telling yourself, well I feel positive tomorrow
or I feel negative tomorrow. You've just got to get
on with it. There you go, he said, to just
get on with it.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
He was a massive unit back when he was an athlete,
wasn't he.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Yeah it was a discuss discuss, Yeah, having a discuss around,
but of a shot put. Yeah, and then opening gym's
definitely rode that wave les Mills is synonymous with gyms.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Yeah, absolutely an.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Activity at those gym. Success comes in many forms. Some
say money, some say pushing through every day. I made
many mistakes in my life. Suicidal at fifteen or sixteen,
drug addiction and alcohol issues as a coping mechanism from
childhood trauma. Was a mom at eighteen, single mother. I
now have three children, began my studies towards becoming a teacher,
got off the benefit which I was on for ten years.

(52:19):
I'm now working full time. I'm not rich, but I'm
pulling my own way. And I have my beautiful children
who strive each day to teach them how and I
strive each day to teach them how you can be
the best you can be and rise from failure, learning
how to make things work. It's okay not to be okay,
ask for help, make a plan. Many setbacks can happen,
but keep pushing through. Every day is a new opportunity.

(52:40):
Bless you.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
That is the glass half full that we're talking about here.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Love that you are definitely a success. Sue are you there?

Speaker 6 (52:50):
So?

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Sue?

Speaker 3 (52:51):
So soon?

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Here you are?

Speaker 3 (52:55):
Bo oh bo Okay, my bow oh bo.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
I've had I'm talking about success and I've had a
huge failure River already by calling you Sue and not
bo bo talk us through your your success, a.

Speaker 21 (53:07):
Boy called Sue or something like that, isn't there. I'm
not so, I'm not so, I'm a bot, but I
think you having me online. And first of all, thank
you for NDM for doing a celebratory piece for people
in businesses. I think it should happen more in New
Zealand status. But the second thing is I'm not calling
about my own success because even though this is something

(53:28):
I've done, like in the last twelve months, I'm actually
really really proud for my community because it's not just
mine and my staff's success. It's actually been a massive
success story for our community, which makes me it's like
the most proud of what's happened.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
And so what have you? You've purchased some businesses? Is
that right?

Speaker 21 (53:50):
So many years ago in my first job was actually
with Times Media, which has been a long standing community
newspaper in East Aalkland. So it's in its fifty third
year of being in the East Aalkland area and the
last fifteen years they had a rural living community newspaper
in the Franklin region, and due to the changing media

(54:11):
landscape and what's been going on, sadly, they went into
liquidation this time a year ago. And at first, even
though I was family friends with the owners and I
knew sort of what was coming for a little while,
when it actually happened and I saw the kick back
from the community and how much it was affecting them,

(54:32):
I actually sat back and even though I've got marketing
and advertising experience, I couldn't actually think how were our
community going to stay connected?

Speaker 4 (54:40):
You know?

Speaker 21 (54:40):
And I think people just really trust community newspapers. So
I basically put myself forward to the liquidators and worked
with them. You know, interesting process buying a business alone,
let alone buying a liquidated business. It's a difficult process
in itself. But yeah, I think that what needed to

(55:01):
happen was, yes, the media landscape has changed, but actually
if you can intertwine technology wor print and get that
right balance. But the key key thing to community newspapers
is connecting the community. Yeah, and once you've followed that,
not the dollar, then you've you've.

Speaker 6 (55:18):
Got it right.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
Certainly a brave thing to do and I think I
know who I'm chatting to now, Bo Burns, Is that right, Yes,
that's yeah, yeah, Well incredibly brave and nothing against community newspapers,
but we knew how much how many challenges they were facing.
And so you mentioned there about the power for the
community versus the financial returns. How are things looking like
now for the Times?

Speaker 21 (55:40):
Amazing? So we're now at sixty four pages each issue.
We launched the Franklin Times last month and same thing.
And I think that when you can deliver a quality
product that truly connects the community, then the advertising comes,
and that comes because they can see the result. They
can see I mean, you know, like we don't ever

(56:01):
have any paper sift over in the bins, like we
can't keep up with the print run and that sort
of thing. We won't go back to weekly. That just
you know, they think the balance is right going fortnightly
and that's the thing. But I think financially it's going really,
really well, and it means that we were one of
the lucky partners to be chosen to have a partnership
with Google. And you know, I like to think of

(56:24):
the more money that can come in, we can invest
in things like getting community podcasts going and put it
back into the community.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Did you So, were you successful in other businesses before
you went into this situation.

Speaker 21 (56:39):
I've got our company, just a small promotional marketing company.
I've had for twenty two years. It's just more sort
of localized company, so not a larger scale project like
this one. But yeah, so I had been a self
employee for twenty two years. But I liked what you
said before. I think you said Lismels, you know, do
what you love. And the thing for me is, I
think that I love marketing and advertising, but I love

(57:02):
my people. So I think that I've found my thing
that I just you know, I feel like I'm a
bit of a connector in the ammenity. I can help
the community via you know, putting out a great community newspaper.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Oh good on your Bow and look let's text here.
I can attest for Boat. She is absolutely amazing, Sis Texter.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
Oh heads off to her. I mean, buying up a
community newspaper when a lot of them were failing. Incredibly
brave thing to do, but clearly it worked out for
Bow and the people.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
How the Great New Zealand and Mars text define success though, guys,
is it how many cars or houses or batches you
have and how many wheel trips you go on? Or
is it me that has a small but comfortable house
a business. I can work when I want in I
go hunting, surfing, fishing in my small boat. I don't
have a lot of money, but I feel very successful.
I'm happy with no stresses in life. That has success

(57:50):
in my eyes. Mars I think it is Yep, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
I agree absolutely. Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. What does success look like to you?
And what are your secrets of success? Love to hear
from you. It is twenty nine past two.

Speaker 16 (58:07):
Youth talks'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's no
trouble with a blue bubble you as President Donald Trump
says he doesn't want his widespread tariffs to force markets down,
but sometimes you have to take medicine to fix something.
Global uncertainty continues, with the nz at X fifty down
more than three and a half percent today. Asian markets

(58:28):
also plummeted, with Japan's NIQUE down about six percent. Ten
trucks are battling a large fire in christ Church's Bromly
pumping black smoke across the city. Police are considering charges
for a forty six year old man arrested at Auckland's
Smart Stadium on Saturday after an assault that left a
man needing facial surgery. The Cemeteries and Crematoria Association says

(58:53):
the government is doing nothing on needed law reform of
funeral practices, with progress stalled since twenty twenty one. MB
says twenty eight thousand dangerous serene bathroom heaters still installed
in Kiwi Ho need to be removed because of fire risk,
which will increase in time. It says they cause two

(59:14):
fires over Christmas Coral Graveyard. Environmentalists blame deep sea damage
on New Zealand trawlers. You can read more at Enzen
Herald Premium. Back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
News Talk ZB, very very good afternoon to you. It
is twenty seven to three and we're talking about what
are the secrets of success. It's on the back of
a campaign that started today launched by nzed ME and
it is telling stories of success and inspiration from across
New Zealand. But I think we can all agree we
need a little bit more positivity. We need a little
bit more pumping ourselves up as individuals and as a country.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Well we're in this article. They had philosophy success from
Aleis Andrews, the Olympic Cyclistles Mills, We are nor Hairs
and Makaia Carr, who is one of New Zealand's earliest
online influences. As well as being an entrepreneur, businessman woman,
she says, instead of wasting energy on things she couldn't change,
she directed to her family and work. I love my

(01:00:16):
mahi because it's not just sitting back and moaning that
things aren't going right or things aren't where they should be.
Be the change you want, She says. It may feel
like a losing battle of times, but as long as
we're doing the best we can with what we have,
then that's really all we can expect from ourselves and
then just hope that the world works itself out.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Yep Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. What is been your secrets to success?

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
This Texas is be versatile and flexible. Look for a
vocation that has channels to additional alternative industries. Perifal awareness awareness.
It's from Rusty Very Good, Rusty, Thank you, Aaron, but
look Ai, but it's good from.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
Your rusty How are Aaron Aaron your thoughts on success?

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
Well, hopefully this is inspirational to some people. Had sort
of had a mixed life dispose. I had some challenges
my five miscarriages before we finally had children. Really what
a children? Took a while, then gave up and has
had one, and then had not chess characters, and then
gave up again and had the second one. So the
lessons to give up, I think. But alongside that, I

(01:01:21):
had a career in it and basically that's just you know,
that was a success on its saying, but in terms
of what I did. But my wife passed away in
twenty twenty, leaving me with a five year old and
a ten year old. She had made a new un disease,
so I looked after her for about sixty years actually,
and yeah, it was a tough time. But alongside my career,
I invested in little investment groups and I learned from

(01:01:43):
a guy who passed away unfortunately joined it down but
looking for undervalued companies and they started my first investment
in the group in nineteen eighty nine and saw how
my own investments crashed in eighty seven and how people
were jumping out of windows and all that in eighty
seven in the US because of what happened, and thought,

(01:02:04):
I need to learn a got away and Joe's way
that he taught me really made a difference. And I've
now basically joined twenty three groups in that time since
since eighty nine, and my investments basically have grown to
five point seven million in the groups and we're just
Mum and Dad investors one hundred all of the month
type things. And I put more money in when I could.

(01:02:24):
I've got major doundant from one of my jobs and
in twenty fourteen, and that helped because I put all
that money into the groups as well, and I was
able to put work and as I said, look after
my wife and the children, and I haven't gone back
to full time work since since then. I just do
the investment groups I'm investing now and basically the net
profit I've made at full points of a million from

(01:02:46):
all these little groups that anyone can join. And I
just don't understand why a lot of the more people
don't don't look at that sort of stuff. You know,
I've been I've actually helped a lot of friends through
people I used to work with in the companies and
also you know, relatives and whatnot through through the same thing.
And now I actually look at investing in small businesses
that need a bit of help from time to time.

(01:03:07):
I'm looking at a little restaurant and take Abnu's who's
suffered through COVID and whatnot and helping them at the
moment with new ideas and one of the world. So
it's been a mixed and mixed career and a lot
of challenges. But I think you know, what I wanted
to say is that first of all, you know you
can pull through it, and people do. And secondly, you know,
even with the crash that's going on at the moment,
you know, we just thought about these employees thrown out

(01:03:28):
the scenes. I've probably lost maybe about a million dollars
over the next the last few days, but I don't
see that as a problem, which I means it's investing
and I know it'll turn around again in the future.
Whereas over the years I've seen people pull out of
these groups when the markets go down and panic and
probably never get back into she Is because have been burned.
But that's the time really to turn around and invest.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
So Aaron, you've you've had a roller coaster of a
life and you know, quite touching what you've been through.
To focus on investment, what do you need to see
in a company that's not doing a small company that's
not doing doing well? What do you need to see
in it to think that it's investing.

Speaker 4 (01:04:07):
So, first of all, the breakout value of the company,
and I want to call the breakout value of the
company when they've paid all the debts back and everything
has to be higher than the total value of the company.
You can buy the stong to change. That's my first
first for all though, look for that Joe taught me.
So that's it's called neat tangible assets. The intangible asis
of the company is going to be higher than the
share price. So when the share prices go down like this,
you're getting a bit of deal. And there's more companies

(01:04:28):
that fall into that.

Speaker 5 (01:04:29):
Basket, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
But there's a lot of other things.

Speaker 20 (01:04:32):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:04:33):
There's good directors as directors of there with shareholdings in
the company and they've got their own skin in the game,
if you like, and a lot of things we look
for across all the groups.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
But what about say you're talking about investing in a
small restaurant. Did you say, oh, I see yes as well.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
So that's just that's just because I've made that money
and I don't you know, I don't want to become
a multi billionaire or anything like that. I'm just trying
to help other people now through you know, just this.
This is just three it's not everything I'm doing a business,
but it's basically I invest in with them that's if
they need capital. But also some ideas in terms of
had a tend things around from from my experiences as well.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
So did you run this group Aeron? Is that how
that works? So people would work for each group? Each
group's independent. I just I'm a member of each group,
and I've invested my money in each group. Each group
runs independent. They've got their own you know, they vote
the cheapiats and treasurer and secretary. They're just I'm a
dad investors and.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
I'm a member of all the groups that I am
part of. And then I do a lot of the
analysis for their companies and give them, you know, the
recommendations I see as companies, and then they talk about
it in meetings or my email, depending on which you
know where they are. There's people in Obasar's as well
that used to work to live in New Zealand that
are part of the groups now.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
And I know people can take this with a grain
of soldiers. They always should with financial advice. But what's
been the returns like for most of the group.

Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
Oh so it does very because we've got some international groups,
like you know, they're investing in the States as well.
But the longest running group is my group's called Civic Group,
which is actually a lot of members from book and
Council that started all that, and they've been they've just
talked about forty two years of comparting returns of sixteen
didn't want descent on average, so that some forty few
years here. I didn't advise that group until nineteen ninety eight.

(01:06:15):
I joined that group in ninety ninety eight, so twenty
seven years of that time. It is my time.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
So where do you where do you? Where do you
find your groups?

Speaker 15 (01:06:21):
Eron?

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
How do you come across?

Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
So I yeah, So I joined a group that was
basically running through a company I worked for when I
first started work, and nine eighty seven it was running
the year and that was actually called Ministry of Transport
group which is a motterin group and done so they
don't exist anymore, but that group still runs and it's
called Matrain group for example. So that was the best one.

(01:06:43):
And then Joe at the time was advising it for
forty groups when he first when he first started, so
they heard about me as he retired from the groups
and because he taught me. And so I've taken on
a lot of the groups from that. But some members
have also started in new groups that just approached me
and saw me siven new group and they've started new
groups themselves and asked me to join and advise them.

(01:07:05):
I don't advice groups that I don't induce them because
and I want to make sure I've got my money
with my mouths. Yeah, and then give them the information
and they make the decisions. It's not me that does that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Well. Good on your erin fantastic And just before you go, Aaron,
how how you how are your kids going?

Speaker 10 (01:07:23):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:07:23):
They're good? So ones in year thirteen and it came
to college and doing really well is the leader this
year and the other ones in year six and taking
Peny from me, and she's doing really well as well.
So yeah, really please to them. They're you know, they're
both doing well because I've just got right attitudes anything.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
It is great, it's good on your eron. It's good
to hear that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Yeah, I mean that is a hell of an attitude
that Aaron's head, considering the challenges he's faced in life.
O one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Will take more of your stories very shortly.
It is nineteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons news Talks.

Speaker 6 (01:07:59):
It be.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
News Talks, there Be, and we are talking to you
about the secrets to success in your own eyes. It's
on the back of a campaign ends in me launch
today called on the Yup. It's a campaign to tell
stories of success and inspiration from across the country.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Well as let's get a professional to describe, actually what's
going on? Is there some kind of pre organized package
that describe this initiative? It ended me. Everyone loves a
good story, kiwis love telling them, and there's no better
time than now to tell stories that remind us we
live in a world of endless possibilities Because we all

(01:08:35):
know we live in a changing, challenging world. Sometimes we
all need those uplifting stories of New Zealand success and
inspiration where people roll up their sleeves, overcome the odds
and make a real difference. Everyone loves a good yarn
and we're here to tell them we're on the up read.

(01:08:55):
Listen and watch our new series every day with the
New Zealand Herald. All right, it's a beautiful, beautiful read.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
There was no one else available. Was that last minute
thing something where they come to you? I nicely said, though,
did you write those words yourself? There felt uplifting.

Speaker 20 (01:09:13):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
I did not write those but I backed them one
hundred percent. And that's why we're doing this topic this hour.
We're talking about success. If you've been successful, what is
your philosophy that has led to that success? Rebecca, welcome
to the show.

Speaker 10 (01:09:28):
Hello, what a beautiful subject.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
Thank you. And you've been somewhat successful in your life, Rebecca, Yes, First.

Speaker 10 (01:09:38):
Of all, you know the previous callers, they're all amazing.
Bow Burns she's a duer like I've seen her around
and just get things done. And even how you're talking
about les mails there's this thing, you know, you don't
need to go off of fame. They're the people who
just go up there and do things, and so that's
really impressive. You don't have to go find anything famous,

(01:10:00):
you know, you don't have to be running a country
to make a difference in people's lives. I think you
have to be a duer. That's one thing. Notice, I'm
luckily financially independent, will live way well beyond my means.
So that's why I've gone a lot of money to
invest in all that. So though my income keeps on

(01:10:22):
going up, but my lifestyle doesn't go up. And I
see that a lot of successful people who are not
just money success, but just happy within what they have.
So yeah, might be rambling. So go get a live
well below your means and just be happy in little
things you have, love them.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
Right, So when you get the success, you don't leverage
yourself into a lot of debt around the trappings of life.
Is that what you're say?

Speaker 7 (01:10:52):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (01:10:53):
And I think it's because I have kids as well.
So every time we have extra money, and I always
talk to my kids, I'm like, you can indulge in
this money. Like I'm not religious, I'm not. I'm a
very secular person, but I always tell like we've been entrusted.
With this money, you can out on yourself. You can
go on holidays, you can go to Queenstown if you want,
or you can use this money purposefully and grow yourself

(01:11:16):
and go some people around you as well. So yeah,
that's what I want to teach my kids, and I
have to do it by doing it myself and not
living lavishly.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
That's great. How did you become financially independent? I imagine
you would have had some failure failures along the way
and in some moments must have been a bit scary,
of course, like I a lot.

Speaker 10 (01:11:38):
Yes, of course, And the reason I became financially independent
is first I had a mortgage free house, and once
I had that, I just realized whatever I earned, I
just need to be very I've seen my mom, she's
a single mom, and I don't want to be in
a position where I'm asking people for money to survive.
So for me, I respect money. Whatever I have, I

(01:12:01):
really respect it, and I just didn't want to be
in her situation. And so yes, my first tip was
to have a mortgage free house, and I had to
work like a crazy person save like a crazy person.
And now whatever I'm earning, my expenditures like twenty percent.
And then afterwards I had investment properties, and then my

(01:12:24):
expenditure became from twenty percent to ten percent, and now
it's two percent. So whatever I earn, I just invest,
which allows me to grow and grow and grow, and
I think, and I always try to tell people around me,
around me, and I don't try to brag about it.
I just want people to have the same independence as
I do.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
So if you were just distill that down, Rebecca, would
that be hard work and discipline that has got you
to where you are now?

Speaker 10 (01:12:50):
Hard work, discipline, and be happy with what you have.
Try not to like if I have fifty thousand dollars
spare money in my accounts, just don't be like I
can let me do something elaborate with it. Just there,
How can I help somebody else? It's a service, you know.
So yes, I'm buying a rental property and I'm going

(01:13:10):
to grow in future, you know. But at the same time,
I'm making sure I'm providing a family with a safe,
comfortable house. And so just living well below your means
and live with a purpose purpose for living.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
Yeah, Rebecca, thank you so much for giving us a buzz.
Love chatting with you great.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Thank you Bis all the best, Rebecca.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
We'll take a few more calls very shortly. It is
eleven to three, the.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
Issues that affect you and a bit of fun along
the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
It B News Talks EDB. We are talking about these
secrets to success on the back of a campaign into
Me launch today called on the Up. Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
Jason says, I've always believed in the following, saying the
only place where success comes before workers in the dictionary.

Speaker 15 (01:14:05):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
Success doesn't come without some hard work along the way
unless you get really lucky. But then again, if you
just get really really lucky. You know, they have these
studies of people that have you know, win lotto and such,
or or you know, are lucky in their inheritance whatever,
and they find it much harder to enjoy their success
than people that have grafted away and got that success. Yeah,

(01:14:27):
you know, you always see those stories of people that
win lotto, and they're really surprised when they still feel
as their life is as meaningless as it was before.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
And I think it was Dolly Parton that said, it's
crazy how many successful people I know or know what
was the quote there, It's amazing how many hard working
people I know are so lucky in life.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
Ah, well, that's that's that quote, isn't it. There's a
stoic quote. Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity. Yep,
that's from Seneca, isn't it exactly? Afternoon? Boys. Everyone has
their own opinion. One of my grandsons loved it and
one of them didn't.

Speaker 16 (01:14:58):
They.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Oh, hang on, that's a that's a review of Minecraft.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
Right, thanks for that review, Kathy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Yeah, well we can continue the group. I mean, Minecraft
has had a lot of success, hasn't Its made twice
as much as expected at the box office. Let's go
to Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
Hey, Mike, Hi guys, Yeah, hi, yeah, good good. What's
your thoughts about the secrets to success?

Speaker 15 (01:15:23):
Oh? Well, yeah, I've got a secret about success. So
what I've gathered though through my life is that the
absolutely absolute fundamental foundation of all life is survival.

Speaker 5 (01:15:37):
So that's.

Speaker 15 (01:15:39):
Getting food, shelter and frush humans. That's relationship survival, happiness,
joy and love or garpy brother love, et cetera. Marriage,
relationships and all of that. We have to survive all
that so that it flourishes. And what I found, mostly

(01:16:00):
through the jobs I've had over the years, is making
yourself an asset to those around you. We're social beings.
We're not living by ourselves island, so we're surrounded by people,
and the people we're surrounded by they dictate what happens
to us. Really, so if you make yourself an asset
to those around you, not a liability, then you're going

(01:16:23):
to develop a meaningful relationship where I don't know, joy
or positivity happens. So that that's where I found, and
I mean it's it's like Tyler and Matt on the
Afternoon Zibbie Slot. If you make yourselves inexpendable to the
boss and everyone loves you, well, you're going to have success,

(01:16:45):
aren't you. You're gonna flourish, You're gonna put food on
the table, you're gonna buy a house, You're gonna you're
gonna be filled with positivity and joy, and you know,
so do you guys. Are you guys aware of Maslow's
hierarchy of needs?

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
Yes, but but refresh us.

Speaker 15 (01:17:06):
So I learned this at varsity. I think it was
stage one or something. It was a psychologist, I believe,
or it might have been a sociologist the sky Meslow.
He developed the pyramid, and it was a hierarchy of needs.
And at the bottom of the pyramid are the basics,
so oxygen, water, food, Then it goes up to shelter, clothing,

(01:17:29):
et cetera. And at the very top of the it's
a permit. It's the top of the pyramid the social
needs that the population require to feel successful. And another
way that I would describe success is if you are happy, satisfied,
and content with your life. If you're happy, well, you

(01:17:50):
feel joy and success. So I was at that caller
two callers back. Yeah, sure, he has mastered financial success.
But by the same token, you could live under a
bridge and still be.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Yeah, well, thank you for your call, Mike. Yeah, I
mean absolutely. How you act in your workplace is huge
towards your success because people make emotional decisions as well,
and if they like having you around, then they're going
to be more open to you than if they hate
having you around. On a very basic level, also always
make the person above you look good. Yep, exactly, and
then they'll how they'll protect you. Yeah, great advice, Thank

(01:18:31):
you very much. Good discussion. News is coming up.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
Your new homes are instateful and entertaining Talk. It's Matty
and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
Sebby, Welcome back into the show. Seven past three.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
Do you know what I think we're going to put
to bed this chat about success? But I've been thinking
the whole hour, and as many say it, impedimentum is
where sounds good.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
I've got no idea what that means.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
So that's Latin for the obstacle is the way, which
is It comes from Marcus Aurelius quote from meditation. The
impediment to action advances action. What stands in the way
becomes the way. So basically what that's saying there is
for success, whatever the hard thing to do thing in
front of you, that is the path, that is the way.
So to be successful you have to you have to

(01:19:24):
do a whole lot of hard things, and so that
is just the path. The obstacle. You highlight the obstacle,
you don't go around it, you know, run away from it.
You go straight through the obstacle. The obstacle is the way.
It's a fantastic way to look at the world. It
seems simplistic, but when you start thinking about it, you know,
if you're if you're starting to you know, you're running

(01:19:45):
a business, you've got a problem, and you've a business,
then you highlight the problem and then you fix it.
That's the way that is. That is the path, It's
true of all of life.

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
Is that a more succinct way of I think it
was Eisenhower who said credit goes to the man who
was in the arena rather than that awful gray area
where you know, neither successful failure. That's just a more
succinct way of saying that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
Well, potentially, yeah, it's slightly different. What he was a
saying is get in there and get some amongst the fight,
which is absolutely the same same thing. But what it's
saying is this, the clarity of direction you need to
go to be successful is to target the obstacles, target
the big obstacles, so that that is the path that
you follow towards success is through the hard stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
Yeah, love that that is a good place to leave
it and really enjoyed that discussion. Right, let's have a
chat about jury service. This is on the back of
a whole bunch of escape rooms. There's a new escape
room in town. We're not quite a New Zealand bit
around the world, and they call it the Jury Duty
Games and it is effectively playing jury service in an
escape room.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
That's right. So people are paying over one hundred dollars
to do jury service. It's not real jury service. It's
a dramatized jury service and it might be the most
exciting case ever, you wouldn't imagine it'll be a boring,
mundane case. And added bonuses to this jury service in
that you can talk to actors. Well, there's an actor
that will come up on a video call who is

(01:21:09):
the accused, and you can ask them questions. And there's
actors that are the lawyers as well, so you can
ask the questions and you try and work out whether
the person is innocent or not. And at the end
of this jury type escape room, you get told if
you and your mates are right, you and your other
eleven peers are right about the case. Which is an
interesting thing, isn't it that people are paying to do

(01:21:30):
jury service when we find here in New Zealand, we're
struggling to get anyone that's actually willing to do it,
and that's a big part of what holds up courts
in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
Yeah, So one of the creators of the cited Twelve
Angry Men that you've spoken about often a great movie,
and she goes on to say, people who attend jury games,
as it's called, get to be one of those twelve
angry men or woman, but love to hear from you.
So to flip that around, obviously, people are paying a
lot of money to go into one of these escape

(01:22:00):
rooms to be part of a jury service. But going
back to the struggle to get enough people on a jury,
is that starf to change around now? And if you
have recently been part of a jury, did you actually
gain some insight and some good experience from that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
I would love to be on a jury. I've been
asked once, I believe, but I couldn't do for what
even But I'd love to be on a jury. So
we actually discussed juries at the end of last year
and we've got a lot of calls with people telling
quite exciting stories about being on jury. So if you
have one, if you've been on a jury and it's
it was a good or a bad experience, would love

(01:22:38):
to hear from you. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
Yep, get on sorre you go.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
I was going to say another great jury movie as
Clint eastwth Clint Eastwood film. It's came out last year.
It's called Jury number two. That is a really good
film starring Nicholas Holt.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
Jury number two. Yeah, look out for that one. Eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. If you've recently been on a
jury and for lack of a better word, you really
enjoyed it. You enjoyed that experience, love to hear from you.
And if you've got that letter or email from the
court system and instead of thinking how do I get
out of this, you thought, hell, yeah, let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
Or eight hundred eighty ten eighty you went on the
jury and it's such a painful experience that it absolutely
discussed you to your core that people are paying for
a fake jury service. We'd love to hear from you
as well. Eight hundred and eighteen eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
It is eleven past three, good afternoon, fourteen past three.
People are paying over one hundred dollars to be part
of a fake jury as part of a new game.
It's effectively an escape room where you play jury service.
But we've asked the question if you've recently been part
of a jury, we'd love to hear your experiences and

(01:23:44):
to try and turn around the figure that we have
here in New Zealand where a lot of people try
and get out of it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
I would love to be on a jury. Sadly never
been asked. My sister in law has done jury service
three times, so it couldn't make a good and she
couldn't make a good decision to save herself. This Texas says,
went on jury. Pretty sure we got it wrong. The
guys still in jail. I've lost a sleep over it.
I wouldn't recommend it.

Speaker 5 (01:24:05):
Well, well, you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
Could recommend that you've got in the jury game it
right or attempt to get it right if you're pretty
sure you got it wrong. I wonder when this person
texts back with more information, please or give us a ring?
When did you realize you got it wrong? So if
you got it wrong in the room, did you know
you were getting it wrong in the room and then
you let it pass or was it afterwards you went,
hang on a minute, that guy didn't do it? Yeah,

(01:24:27):
I mean I should be laughing. If the persons in
jail pay for juries to people, also pay to get
punched in the faces. This text said, well, some people,
do you, Peter plummy walkers of this world?

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
We've seen that slap competition. They seem to love that
at the moment. One hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
Chris, Welcome to the show, gad Lands.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
How are we very good? So were you part of
a jury recently or almost?

Speaker 17 (01:24:52):
Well, it was like my lifelongman, that's probably going a
bit fast. I think it was my lifelong ambition, but
I definitely always wanted to. It looked fun as how,
And about five years ago I got the letter in
the post and I was incredibly excited and a bit
of a long process. Once you get there, like you
got basically half the day of sifting through.

Speaker 6 (01:25:12):
There's about one hundred of you.

Speaker 17 (01:25:13):
That turn up, and I made it through to like
the last I don't know thirty, and they bring that
last thirty into the court room and they bring in
the defendants and that's when they give you the rough
kind of outline of the case, and this one was
a pretty dark one, you know, like you know, sort
of a piece a couple of pests done some really naughty.

Speaker 6 (01:25:31):
Stuff with younger, younger kids.

Speaker 17 (01:25:33):
Anyway, that's all they kind of told us. And then
as the defendants kind of were lead back out, one
of the guys in this drury pool like an absolute
bogan with a mullet, and every of the missus and
Hamilton by the way, as the defendants were coming out,
he yelled out like slur at him and said, yeah, yeah, ef,
and you know, like peg and stick here or whatever.

(01:25:54):
And and anyway, the defendant went out, and then after
recess they came back in and the lawyer and the
judge said, like, apparently one of you know, someone on
the pool yelled something out. Stand up if you heard it.

Speaker 6 (01:26:04):
And of course we all heard it.

Speaker 17 (01:26:06):
And the defense counts up that we were now prejudiced
because because of that idiot yelling something out, and we
all lost it. It was so close, and I and
I had to go home and they.

Speaker 6 (01:26:17):
Had to basically recall it for the day a whole
new call.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
Wow, So it's that sensitive, just that you'd heard the
opinion of some bogan who was yelling that was enough
to say that you've been contaminated and couldn't do it.

Speaker 16 (01:26:30):
That.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
Wow, that's that's a that's a really low bar to
rule people out. I would say absolutely.

Speaker 6 (01:26:36):
I guess.

Speaker 17 (01:26:36):
I guess the defense is clinging on to anything they could.

Speaker 6 (01:26:39):
But yeah, no, I was gutted. I was I was
annoyed at the bogan and yeah, when home went home,
guarted that was my dream.

Speaker 17 (01:26:46):
And they haven't had another letter in the post since.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
You couldn't put up you hand and say I've got
no respect for this muppets.

Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
Yeah, he's just a bog and I don't listen to
what their guys is.

Speaker 17 (01:26:55):
Funnily enough, no one say anything, but I think, like
looking around, a lot of people were kind of in
the same boat, like what like even if you didn't
want to be there, you'd wasted half the day.

Speaker 6 (01:27:03):
Yeah, and this clowns has lost it for.

Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
All of us.

Speaker 6 (01:27:05):
So that was my chance.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
Well, Chris, hopefully you get another chance and it's bog
and free in the selection process. Yeah, yeah, chans, Chris,
so much for your call.

Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
Just a question I'd like to put out there to
anyone who's been on a jury, they always say that
you aren't allowed to look at the internet or don't
google the case or anything like that. If you're found
to be doing that, what is the ramifications you kicked
off the jury instantly? If you're found to be googling
details of the case. I'd love to know. Or is
that just a hard and fast no internet for you?

(01:27:39):
We take your phones away, we put you in a
hotel where you can't access anything.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
Yeah, I mean this is an American movie, but in
Jury number two great movie if people haven't seen, not
talking about it before Flintee were directed Starry Necklace Holt.
They two members of the jury go out and do
their own investigations themselves, go out to the place where
the accident accident happened, and have a look. Are you
allowed to do that in New Zealand? Are you allowed

(01:28:03):
to order you as only what's presented to you in
the court that you're allowed? Yeah, I mean hard and
my ignorance on us. I dropped out of legal systems
at university. But can you not allow them to look
into it at all?

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
I'd love to know. I mean, neither of us have
been on a jury, But if you've recently been on
a jury. What's the case in terms of googling the
case or doing your own investigating.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
I got my jury call up last year, was told
to put five weeks aside and was able to do
it as run my own business. Then thought about the
judges making wet bus ticket punishments. Nah, not giving up
five weeks for that hard to get off? But did
that's Caroline? Okay? Well, I mean you've made an assumption
there and you've missed out.

Speaker 20 (01:28:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
What has been your experiences on a jury when you've
been caught up for jury service and you have done it,
have you had a good experience or was it terrible?
Love to hear your thoughts. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
It is twenty past.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
Three Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoon call. Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
Tween t two past three, and we are talking about
jury service on the back of a new Escape room
theme that is taking the world by storm. Its effectively
jury service.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
That's right. You pay one hundred bucks to do jury service?
Is jury service? That exciting? Have you had an exciting
time on the jury one hundred and eighty ten eight.
You would love to hear your experience is good or bad.
So before I asked a question that's excited the text
machine to call me a muppet. This is very obvious.
It doesn't take much for people to call me a muppet.
They're wrong, though, I'm amazing. What's my role as a juror? Okay,

(01:29:42):
as a juror, you must follow these rules. Because I said,
can you go off and investigate it like they did
in the movie Jura? Number two? Yeah, but says don't
investigate or do any research about the case, all right?

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
Is that number one?

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
No, that's number two. Number one is don't talk about
the troll to anyone who's not on the jury. That'd
be hard to not go home to your misses. Yeah,
imagine that it's.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
A circle of trust. Surely you could say a little
bit to the wife.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
That includes family, friends, and the media also includes lawyers, witnesses,
and other people who might be interested in the trial.
And the other thing is don't investigate or do any
research about the case. It is vitally important that you
rely only on the information given to you at the trial.
Doing your own research, like googling the case or asking
about it on social media puts the defendant's right to
fear trial at risk. The judge may even have to discharge,

(01:30:25):
let go of the jury, and abandon the trial. An
abandoned trial can add to the stress on witnesses and
result in a age of financial cost to the justice
system because the trial will need to be held again.
You may so also find a face a penalty from
the court. That's disappointing because it'd be fun to go
out and be an amateur sleuth. Go and get out
your own forensic kit. Go and do your own CSI

(01:30:47):
on the scene.

Speaker 3 (01:30:49):
Like their texture that you read out right at the start,
who thought that they got the wrong decision in the end.
And he add some sleepless nights. I mean if he
went out and did as I investigating, did his own documentary,
you know he could get to the bottom.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
Of the arts to that started running his own true
crime podcast across the thing. Mike, welcome to the show today.

Speaker 7 (01:31:09):
Great thing.

Speaker 22 (01:31:09):
I must say, I was on a jury last year
and I've got a couple of anecdotes.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
Yep, you go for it.

Speaker 22 (01:31:19):
Well, firstly, I were in the room where they've got
the people they pre selected, and of course you didn't
walk you and your name is called and you walk
to the stand for the jury members. And I fully
I was one of the first, and I fully expected
to be called out to be, you know, to be

(01:31:41):
recused whatever by the one of the lawyers.

Speaker 5 (01:31:44):
But but I wasn't. So that's good.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
Yell Hey, Mike, Mike, Mike, Why did Mike, why did
you think that you would be recused?

Speaker 22 (01:31:55):
Well, because I'm I look like a law and order type.

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
Like a law and order on the law part or
the crime criminal part.

Speaker 22 (01:32:05):
You know, law and order as an yep, throw the
book at them.

Speaker 3 (01:32:10):
Did you tell them that beforehand? Did did you say
you're no non to.

Speaker 5 (01:32:14):
Look at you?

Speaker 22 (01:32:15):
And I fully expected that i'd be. I'd be, said,
they team know, right, and they didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
They thought sweet airs, And you went over to the
you went on to the next part.

Speaker 22 (01:32:25):
Yes, And then we were in the room where the
you know, the juror's room, and the secretary comes in
and says, now you have to choose a foreman, and
everyone immediately starts looking around the room, all okay, who's
going to be? And I said, and I knew when

(01:32:46):
I said it what the effect would be. I said, well,
I played jury member on New Zealand TV production.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
Okay you were. Everyone said, oh, you can be it.

Speaker 22 (01:32:59):
You can be the jury, you can be the foreman.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
What what TV production was that?

Speaker 22 (01:33:04):
Mike Dear Murderer, Dear Murderer, which was about Mike Bungay,
the celebrated Wellington lawyer.

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
All right, I'm just having a look now and on murder.

Speaker 22 (01:33:20):
In twenty seventeen, if I'm not wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
Yeah, yes, yeah, right, yeah, so you were. So you
were on Dear Murderer sitting in.

Speaker 3 (01:33:28):
The jury correct. I was a jury member, right?

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
And did you Was that a speaking role or was
it just a looking concerned as the evidence was presented
to you role.

Speaker 22 (01:33:40):
I just had to look very concerned in one of
twelve members. And I also had another role on that
series as a I was guarding a prisoner and another scene.
So anyway, when we were in the jury room, the
trial lasted two and a half days and I took

(01:34:02):
it upon myself on day like the middle of day two,
when obviously there are some people to dominate the conversation
as you can expect, right, yep, And I said, well, look,
I'm aware that we've only heard from some of the
members or some of the people in this room, so

(01:34:23):
I'd like to go around the room and get people's idea,
like everyone to at least say how they are thinking
about it, which I think was a good idea because
the fear were people that hadn't spoken at all over.

Speaker 15 (01:34:35):
A day and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
Great idea and a plot point in the twelve Angry
Men movie.

Speaker 15 (01:34:41):
Yes it was.

Speaker 22 (01:34:42):
I was drawing on my film experience. And the trial
lasted two and a half days. There were two charges,
and I felt that neither was proven and the individual
was in fact let off on both charges.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
And do you think that was the right decision?

Speaker 5 (01:35:08):
I think it was.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
What do you think if it had been a situation
and look, we're going back to the same movie again,
twelve angry at twelve angry men, But you thought the
other way from the eleven other people. Do you think
you would have put your feet in and held your ground?

Speaker 22 (01:35:27):
Well, actually, on both of the charges, we had one person,
and they were a different person each time, one person
who opposed the majority view. So we then had to
talk them.

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
Round to it, all right, and so you talked them
around to it. Do they have good, good reasoning why
they were going one way they're going the other way
to the other eleven?

Speaker 15 (01:35:53):
Or was it?

Speaker 17 (01:35:54):
Yes?

Speaker 22 (01:35:55):
And like on one of the charges of dangerous driving,
the footage that the police provided conveniently didn't show the
exact moment where Car X hit Car Y in tiat
Tu without giving too much away, and so you couldn't
convict and this person thought of but this driving is bad.

(01:36:18):
This person was not a hasn't been born in New Zealand,
and all of us we're pretty sure that this driving
is what you see. Someone said, we see the sort
of driving around town every day.

Speaker 3 (01:36:31):
And so if you didn't get unanimous decision, did you
get a warning from the judge or how does that work?
I know hungury is a possibility, but how does that
work in New Zealand law?

Speaker 22 (01:36:43):
Not being a lawyer, I couldn't tell you. But we
certainly talked and talked on both over both charges, and
we had one person holding out on you on both charges,
and we found that, I mean to me, it was
clear that they didn't do it all.

Speaker 5 (01:37:01):
This wasn't enough evidence, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
And so overall after that experience, and it wasn't a
super long time. You spent in there two and a
half days, But was it a positive experience in your life? Mike?

Speaker 22 (01:37:13):
Well, afterwards I went and spoke to the the I
don't know what you'd call them, the administrator down stairs,
the person that speaks to all the jury members at
the very beginning on the Monday morning, and said, hey,
I'd like to do this again. How can I get
myself on another jury? And he shall come back to you.
And he did, and he said that by law you

(01:37:37):
have to wait at least two years, so you're not
going to get any notification for at least two years.

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
Right, but you can put yourself forward for the jury. No,
oh no you can't.

Speaker 22 (01:37:49):
No, no, you it will be It'll be at least
two years before you get any letter in the post.

Speaker 3 (01:37:55):
Gotcha?

Speaker 13 (01:37:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
All right, Well, thank you so much for sharing that story, Mike. Finally,
what was more exciting sitting on a fake jury for
a television show or sitting on the real jury.

Speaker 22 (01:38:08):
Being a film extra? He's paid minimum wage, but if
you're a featured extra as an a jury member, to
get two dollars more, say, that's my answer?

Speaker 2 (01:38:19):
Yeah, rolling well, thank you so much for you call.

Speaker 7 (01:38:21):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
I'm going to find that movie and a look out
for you in there.

Speaker 3 (01:38:24):
I've just had a week look at the casting and
our very own Tim Beveridge was in that. He played
Bob Jones. Yeah, he was in for one episode, Tim
Dear Murderer.

Speaker 15 (01:38:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:38:35):
Tim Beveridge was in for one episode as Bob Jones.
And I assume that is the Bob Jones.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
Oh, I'll definitely be watching that then, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
Oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call, and we want to chat to you
about what your experience has been. If you've been on
a jury, it is twenty ninety four.

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Speaker 3 (01:40:10):
Thank you very much, Raylean, and we are asking for
your experiences on the jury. It's on the back of
a new escape room theme.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
Yeah, that's right. Jury games. You can pay over one
hundred dollars each. You can either take you and eleven
mates and be the jury or some of them you
go into and there's other people there, strangers, but it's
jury service that you pay for and it's a fictional case,
but it's genuinely I mean I'm going to assume that
they're very exciting cases, or else you wouldn't want to pay.

(01:40:38):
But it does beg the question. People are paying for
jury services, how come no one seems to want to
do it for free? Although someone kicked back here and says, hey, Fellers,
it's not that people. It's funny when you do that
flying time. Does anyone noticed that I was buying for time?

Speaker 3 (01:40:57):
Then it's just to bring you into the tent. He
was just scrolling down the numerous ticks we got here.

Speaker 2 (01:41:01):
Now, people didn't know that I didn't have the text
radio because I said. They just said, hey, Fellers, it's
not that people don't want to be on a jury.
It's all about time, and time is valuable, and one
or two weeks of your life is a lot, as
well as the financial considerations. Cheers reck yet, I mean
that's like me. Actually, I would love to be on
a jury at some point. I haven't been asked for

(01:41:24):
a while. Gussy, welcome to the show. You've been on
a jury?

Speaker 23 (01:41:29):
I live, and I want to tell you my story
because it is quite interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
We want to hear it.

Speaker 23 (01:41:34):
Busy Well, I lived in Auckland and I had my
own business in Auckland, and when I got the leader,
people at work were saying, no, you can get out
of that. You can get out of that because you
have your own business. And I thought, no, I don't
want to I want to go. So I got there
and I wasn't challenged, so I got to go on
the jury and then we're sitting around this round table

(01:41:57):
and then somebody said, I think, I said, has anyone
done this before? And nobody and everyone said no, So
all of a sudden we had to perform in and
of course I got the job, didn't I because I
was first person to speak up. So anyway, so during
the trial, which was about a thirteen year old girl

(01:42:18):
who was accusing her dad of mnisting her, it wasn't
going well for him because it looked for all intensive
purposes like he had done it, because his mother had
even seen sort of various things. But there's a big
book in front of you around this round table, and

(01:42:41):
it's sort of like the size of a Bible, so
it's just the manuscript of all the things that go
on before it even gets a trial, and you don't
get to read it because you're not allowed to take
anything out of the room with you, so you have
no time to read it, and of course you're sitting
around listening to people and stuff. So I think I
just decided I just wanted to There just wasn't something

(01:43:02):
right with the whole thing, so I wanted to read
this manuscript. And I came across a passage in that
sort of said to me, well, no, she had.

Speaker 4 (01:43:12):
She had made this up.

Speaker 23 (01:43:13):
And when I read it out to the rest of
the jury, they were like, oh, because prior to that
they were all sort of leaning towards him being guilty.

Speaker 14 (01:43:21):
So wouldn't.

Speaker 23 (01:43:22):
And there was one person, there's always one person on
the service who said, no, children don't lie, and I said, well,
I don't know about you, but I used to lie
a lot when I was a kid. So so anyway,
we went there. She she decided to go along with us,
but she did it reluctantly, and he was found not guilty.
And at the time the judge said that he agreed

(01:43:45):
with our with our verdict. So I was really thrilled.

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
Now, guess might enjoyed it now, Gusie, it must have
been hard because the natural position you'd be in that
that that kind of case would be just be hard
for the anger towards the father. You know, you know,
your natural your natural emotions would be hard to combat that,

(01:44:09):
right and be logical because just the horror of the accusation,
you know, to get over that and not and not.
Do you get what I'm saying that that you would
have come in there and you would you would you
would have been a certain amount of anger when you
heard the accusations.

Speaker 23 (01:44:24):
I guess what I'm trying to say, Ah, well no,
because you're told that you're not supposed to think anything
until you hear what people have to say. So I
didn't really think.

Speaker 2 (01:44:35):
Very much and you managed to do that. You managed
to keep that yeah, yeah, yeah, Well and.

Speaker 23 (01:44:41):
He wasn't he wasn't just sort of normal person. I
think he was like sort of Sandward short of a picnic.

Speaker 6 (01:44:46):
Right, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:44:48):
I don't know if I could have said on that
jury Gusy, you know, for honesty, if I heard, if
I heard that was the case, I think I would
try and make a strong argument that I don't know
if I could sit through there.

Speaker 23 (01:45:00):
Well, well, I know, but I mean, you know, once
you're here, you make a choice.

Speaker 2 (01:45:05):
And the thing is that someone has to someone has
to sit through these these shocking Oh yeah, and distasteful.

Speaker 3 (01:45:11):
It is because you're a better person than me. I absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:45:16):
Oh, and there's definitely a cross section of people, and
it is a bit of a shame that people don't
really want to go on jury service and they always
try and get out of it, because it really is
quite an experience.

Speaker 3 (01:45:28):
Just just on that manuscript that you had, and I
take it that was all the evidence that was collated.
Why why didn't the defense bring up that bit of information?
Did you ever find that?

Speaker 7 (01:45:38):
Oh?

Speaker 23 (01:45:38):
Well, no, I don't. I don't really know, and I
wanted that myself. Seems it seemed a bit odd to
me that that that crucial bit of information wasn't wasn't
brought up and the child.

Speaker 2 (01:45:53):
Yeah, so thank you so much for your your your call, Guzzie,
and your insights into that. I think yet someone texted
through us searching through my mind for the saying I
was trying to come up with that I needed was
unconscious bias. I think, because you'd go in there and
the accusation is so horrendous, it would be hard to
not have a distasteful to look on distastefully of the

(01:46:18):
person accused of it. They're just about to clear your
mind and go we actually need to get to the
facts here. You know that that takes, that takes a lot,
oh huge.

Speaker 3 (01:46:27):
Even when she when she first came on Givesia mentioned
that was the case, I screwed my face up. Thanks
instantly saying that's that's horrible and disgusting and that is
probably the unconscious bias. Straight away. O eight hundred, AY
ten eighty is the number to call. What has been
your experience on a jury? Love to hear whether it
was a good experience, boring experience, bad experience?

Speaker 2 (01:46:47):
Yeah? And would you pay for a fake jury? At
over one hundred bucks an hours?

Speaker 3 (01:46:51):
I'd pay for that one. That looks amazing really well.
The fact that you can talk to the accused and
is it the plaintiff the victim. So they bring actors
in that you can have we chat to about did
you do it?

Speaker 2 (01:47:03):
I imagine you get nothing but the best actors for
this gig, nothing but the pest.

Speaker 3 (01:47:08):
It is hat to four.

Speaker 1 (01:47:11):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:47:18):
I'd be afternoon. We're talking about your experience has been
on a jury on the back of a new Escape
room theme that is taking the world by storm.

Speaker 2 (01:47:27):
Yeah, that's right, you pat one hundred bucks to be
on a jury. Have a fake jury. This TEXTI here
hates juries completely, fake ones and real ones. Actually hates
the real ones more. Juries are ridiculous. What other occasion
would you allow people who know nothing about a subject
make a life change your decision of others? Much better
for serious cases with judges who have a majority and

(01:47:49):
know what they're talking about. See, that's but that's the
problem because who appoints the judges, And then if the
judges on the you only have judges and they're appointed
by the government, then a bas a bias will come through.
So even though the jury system is not perfect, it
is it means that the people are judging themselves. Yeah,

(01:48:10):
randomly selecting twelve people out of the populace judging themselves.
I think that's that's an absolute bedrock of justice. Yeah,
otherwise justice is always being inflicted from above, as it were.

Speaker 3 (01:48:23):
It's the best we've got and no one's come up
with anything better. Oh, eight hundred and eighteen eighty is
the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:48:29):
James, welcome the show. You've been on a few.

Speaker 7 (01:48:31):
Juries, a couple they in the mid late late eighties
for those years before I lost my site. But first
time round I got along one jury. It was basically
the first day in the morning, I got challenged, so

(01:48:54):
I had to sit down, and then the second case
I got set on the jury. In that case took
a couple of days. It was basically a straightforward burglary
you burglary case, you know, stealing expensive goods when hiding them,
And that lasted about two and a half days and

(01:49:17):
it was an interesting experience. But the second time around
about two two years and three years later and I
got called again again. I got challenged in the first
and second time, so I had to come back on
the Tuesday, and on the Wednesday they bought us together

(01:49:37):
and then they marched just all over the High Court.

Speaker 3 (01:49:41):
Right, So I got upgraded, James, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:49:44):
Yeah, I didn't get on the jury for that one,
but it was quite interesting just to see how that went,
especially going into the High Court. They were a bit
more formal than procedures. I don't know how it is now.
When it was the Supreme Court placing the High Court,
I think, but back then the procedures were quite formal.

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
Can you not be on a jury? James? Have you
said that you've you've lost your site? Can you not
be on a jury? If if you've lost your site?
I think you can.

Speaker 7 (01:50:18):
I'm not sure, I really are. I really am not sure.

Speaker 2 (01:50:22):
But because I'm just looking, I'm just looking at who
can't be a juror on the site. So it's a
member of Parliament, the Government general, judge, member of the Proboard,
a barrister, a solicitor, a Justice of the Peace, employees
of the Department of Christianities, are a person with an
intellectual disability. But not I think you can still. I
think I think that they make allowances, you know, so

(01:50:45):
the evidence can be served up in a in an
audio form.

Speaker 7 (01:50:48):
Yeah, I don't think I want time to go on
a jury, but I've never got another letter in the
ensuing years. But it was it was an interesting experience.
It's just fort of just to learn how the system works.

Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, I mean I would like to experienced that.
Thanks for your call, James. The Texas says, I've been
on a jury, very scary. Ninety nine percent of the population.

Speaker 6 (01:51:15):
I D I e.

Speaker 2 (01:51:16):
The jury of your peers are absolute morons, but they
are our peers.

Speaker 3 (01:51:26):
Yeah, and your hope. Between twelve of them, there's a
consensus of some some sort of intelligence that comes through.

Speaker 2 (01:51:31):
I have heard that that people have been quite shocked
at how dumb some of the people on that jury.

Speaker 3 (01:51:40):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is.

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
The You know, there's been plenty of travesties of justice
performed by smart people.

Speaker 3 (01:51:47):
Exactly nicely said. It is eleven to four.

Speaker 1 (01:51:52):
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everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
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Speaker 3 (01:52:02):
Good afternoon, it is seven and four and we're talking
about your experiences on a jury. Diane, good to know.

Speaker 18 (01:52:09):
Good afternoon. I've got a story sort of similar to
the woman who was on before, where we went into
the jury room and I spoke up and said, well,
who's done this before?

Speaker 23 (01:52:20):
And no one, So I ended up being the foreman.

Speaker 18 (01:52:23):
But the other interesting factor in our case the Crown
Council never gave enough evidence. They never proved that this
person did what they were meant to have done and
with that that was our reasoning behind. We were really fortunate.
We had a cross section of the community in our jury,
which was fantastic, including doctors, nurses, teachers, you know, a

(01:52:44):
cross section.

Speaker 14 (01:52:46):
We had a university.

Speaker 18 (01:52:47):
Student who took a hold of the manuscript of the
court I don't know what it's called, but the court proceedings,
and he learned it. Learned it, I should say, so
when everyone, when anyone asked a question, he would find
the spot and they would say, oh, no, this is
what happened there. So we were all making sort of
assumptions on occasion and he would pull us up and

(01:53:07):
say no. But the interesting thing, being the foreman, you
actually don't get much of a say. It's like being
a chair of a meeting. You're trying to engage everybody
else in the in the situation. So but anyway, we
found him not guilty, and then the next day it
was in the paper and he was a career criminal.

Speaker 3 (01:53:26):
Right, yeah, you've got it, rightly guilty.

Speaker 18 (01:53:30):
It is probably guilty of sin. But the Crown Council
did not prove it, did not supply enough evidence.

Speaker 2 (01:53:37):
Sorry, I must understood. So you you we live around him,
not guilty.

Speaker 4 (01:53:43):
We found him not guilty evidence.

Speaker 2 (01:53:46):
But that's the system, though, isn't it Like the system
is that they have to prove it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:51):
You know, and if the Crown doesn't prove that or
present the evidence, then there's not much you can do, right, Diana,
what you're here in the courtroom is the only information
you can use.

Speaker 18 (01:54:02):
Correct. The other interesting thing was the crown solers that
are never looked at any of the jury. He looked
at the wall above our heads and we all actually
go to this. He never engaged at eye contact with any.

Speaker 15 (01:54:13):
Of the juries.

Speaker 18 (01:54:14):
Interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:54:15):
It's a very strange strategy. I mean, just your experiences
on there was it that did you find the defense
lawyers in this case, we're trying to not build a
relationship with you, but we're certainly playing up some sort
of theatrics as part of the strategy to get you inside.

Speaker 4 (01:54:30):
Absolutely young.

Speaker 18 (01:54:32):
Yeah, the defense counselor did a good week, did a
good job, but you know we were wrong.

Speaker 23 (01:54:36):
He would have been as guilty as.

Speaker 3 (01:54:40):
Diane. You're great to chet to. Thank you very much
for giving us a call. Welcome, have a great afternoon.
A couple of texts to wrap this up, guys, I
went to court for jury service after my employee employee
trying to get me off. While waiting for the process
of picking jurors, I fell asleep and they tried to
do me for contempt of court. I then explained to
them for the past twenty five years I'd worked night

(01:55:02):
shift from five pm to five am, five days a week,
and they accepted that. That's from Dave.

Speaker 2 (01:55:08):
Good on you, Dave. Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:55:12):
Yep, that is a discussion. I've been having such a
great time. Yeah, that was a fascinating discussion about jury servers.
And if you're keen on this escape room, we'll be
coming to New Zealand at some stage.

Speaker 2 (01:55:23):
Yeah. Okay, Well, if you see some success in New
Zealand wherever you see it, celebrate it. And look, another
thing I wanted to say that I've learned in the
show today is just because the breakfast host sees the
movie is rubbish doesn't mean it is. I went to
Minecraft and it was very entertaining.

Speaker 3 (01:55:37):
Yeah, love that.

Speaker 7 (01:55:38):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (01:55:38):
Look, if you're a white Lotus fan, good luck for
tonight's season three feature length finale. It's going to be tense,
it is. I really hope Chelsea survives I love Chelsea.

Speaker 3 (01:55:47):
Yeah, she is a great character.

Speaker 2 (01:55:49):
I love Chelsea and the Wife, the Wife, the Southern Wife, Parker, Parker, Posey,
the buddhis.

Speaker 4 (01:55:54):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:55:54):
She's a great, great interest, great character.

Speaker 2 (01:55:57):
She needs a bullet. See you tomorrow for another episode
of Matt and Tyler Afternoons. Until then, give him a
taste of.

Speaker 4 (01:56:02):
Key m HM.

Speaker 1 (01:56:10):
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