Full Show Podcast: 07 August 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you, great New Zealands, and welcome to Mattain Tyler
Full Show Podcast number one seven eight for Thursday to
seventh of August. Once again we delve deep into AI.
This time it's the Swiss Prime Minister using AI to
come up with policy for that country and a UK
politician using it as a chatbox because it can't be
bothered answering questions from constituents, so it got them really

(00:38):
really really good AI chat. I love a good AI
chat yep.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
And then we had some fantastic chat about success later
in life and a woman who wrote a book after
getting some messages from telepathic dolphins.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah yeah, the telepathic dolphins and the stone from the
Greek temple with an e insider.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yeah, looking forward to their book.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
It's good stuff.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
It is, so download subscribe, give us a review.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Love you big stories, the leak issues, the big trends
and everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Afternoon to you. Welcome in two Thursday shows. So good,
so good. Dave your company as always. Hope you're doing well.
Get a Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, welcome all your great New Zealanders all across this
beautiful nation of ours to the next three hours of
Matt and Tyler afternoons. We've cobbled together a fantastic show
before we get stuck in too that I just like
to say, after yesterday's fantastic chat and all the calls
and texts we got on our e one hundred and
eighty ten eighty and nineteen ninety two around the rules
of picking up dog boo.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yep, that was a big chat.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
I followed them to the letter. Today. When I was
walking my dog Colin, he went early on a boom
about twenty five meters from our house. Good boycott. I
carried that. I carried that, leaving in a little bag
all the way home. Well anyway, no envelopes, ye, no
putting it in people's wheely bins, No putting it in
rubbish bins in front of dairies. I took it all

(02:06):
the way home and put it in my own willy bin.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Progress not perfection, Matt heat Yeah, there we go, and
no poop loop. Did you put a few orders in
for a poop loop.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
No, I didn't. I didn't get the I didn't which
one of someone yesterday that was strapping them around them
and hanging handing their little soiled bags off them And
I didn't go that far.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Okay, very good. That was a good PSA though so
well done right too today's show after three o'clock. There's
a big pushback on church bells ringing at all hours
of the day. The latest is in a small town
in Wales where a local hotel says guests have had
enough of the constant things and dongs.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah, and you are anti church bells ringing. You've made
it clear, so we'll talk about that after three o'clock.
After two so a politician in the UK is using
a chatbot to answer as emails. The sweetish PM has
been busted running policy through chat GPT. You can guarantee
that some politicians are doing this kind of thing here,
if not now but soon. Do you feel comfortable with

(03:03):
politicians using AI? Do you think we are handing over
power to the robots too lightly? And what areas in
life if you don't think it should be in politics
or you do, what areas in life do you think
should stay AI? Three would like to talk about that
after two PM.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
But right now, let's have a chat about building a
successful business or restarting again in midlife. So, as we know,
yesterday the job job numbers came out, the unemployment numbers,
and it is tough out there, particularly in Auckland. A
lot of people in their forties, fifties and sixties have
sadly lost their jobs over the last couple of years
and feel like they have to start again. But for

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many it can end up being the push they needed
to start that business they always wanted to.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yeah, well, we all know the story of MIKEL. Hill Jewett.
He didn't start that till he was forty prime example,
three hundred stores by the time he died.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Hugely successful man.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
And very much starting from scratch.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
So there'd be people that were forty and thinking, I
can't reinvent the wheel a stage, but you can.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Oh, eighte hundred, eighty, ten eighty. There's certainly a lot
of very famous examples. But love to hear from you
if you did have a bit of a change in life,
unexpected change in life, did you manage to find success
a little bit later in life? Really keen to hear
your stories.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah, and what's it like trying to reinto the air
the workforce when you're a bit older and you've had
to change careers potentially in your forties, fifties or sixties.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yep, oh eight, one hundred and eighty. Ten eighty is
the number to call. We'll get to your phone calls
very shortly. It is ten past one.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Very good afternoon to you. It is twelve past one.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
I am forty one. I lost my IT job end
of last year. I think that's it for me. No
one wants a forty one year old IT guy. I'm
on a benefit and I've moved back home. I think
I'm done. It's depressing, but that's just the way it is.
Is this texta wow? Giving up at forty one?

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Forty one is still young. You've still got another.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
Forty years in the work force.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Maybe not thirty.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Years, it's still got probably another fifty years on the planet, exactly.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Given up at forty Come on, mate, shut up, I
reckon give.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
It another go there, buddy, yep, I reckon business. I
give it another try. I worked in record stores until
forty it became so too uncool, so moved into property
I have done very well. Was hard at first, but
twenty years on, couldn't have been a better move. Love
that two opposite ends of the spectrum. Tony, welcome the show,
Yeah and made How are you very good? Thanks for corner.

Speaker 6 (05:34):
Thank you. I sent your text earlier just to let
you know what my wife and I are up to.
We were overseas last year on a holiday and saw
a couple of products over in Canada actually, and came
back and thought Jesus would work for New Zealand. So
we adapted it for the New Zealand market, and we

(05:56):
did a few designs ourselves and sent the designs overseas
to some factories, got them made over there, got the
samples back, really pleased with the quality and and everything,
and we're launching them at the end of this month
at the aucand Gifts Fair, and our first container of
product derives early September. And the good thing is the

(06:19):
samples are that good. People are forward ordering them before
they've even landed.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Good can you tell us mate?

Speaker 6 (06:27):
I mean fifties.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Can you tell us what the product I can do?

Speaker 6 (06:31):
Actually, it's do you know what bobbleheads are? So we
saw them in Canada and they were based on the
Royal Mounties. So we've we've designed them in a Kiwi
shape representing Kiwi's and various forms sports and and things

(06:53):
like that. So we're really pleased. I can see you
some images if you like, yes, and yeah, I'll see
them through. But going really.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Well, I'm a huge La Dodgers fan and they've always
got bubble head nights on and you know, you've get
the show Tony Bobblehead and night at the Max Munths.
It's a huge, huge thing over there in.

Speaker 6 (07:14):
The States, Matt, It's massive, and you know the history
of bobbleheads goes back years and there's nothing like it
in New Zealand. And we wanted a product that was
really well made and a good price point and we
think we've hit the mark. But you know, listening to
your caller text earlier about giving up at forty, mate,

(07:38):
there's a ton of life ahead of you. Both my
wife and I have had various businesses and were still
working for you, working for the man, so to speak.

Speaker 7 (07:49):
And it's not too late.

Speaker 6 (07:50):
And if this doesn't work, then you know, we've still got,
you know, hopefully another forty fifty years ahead of us.
So don't give up.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Have you gone all in on this, Tony? Have you
were you working at the time or you.

Speaker 6 (08:04):
Oh look, my wife and I are both still working,
and we hope that this will enable us to get
out of what we're doing, either both of us or
one of us anyway, and yeah, go all in. But yeah,
we've gone. We've invested a lot of time, energy, and

(08:25):
resources and to get in it launched.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
So you're in your late fifties, and I'm just wondering
why people don't think that they can go into new
things when they get older. Do they think they won't
have the energy to do it, you know, working a
job doing it after as you are. But it sounds
like you're quite energized by this project.

Speaker 6 (08:44):
Do you know what, Matt. It's actually energized us even
more because I think we're seen early on how successful
this could be, and success breed success, and the more
positive feedback we're getting, the more positive it makes us.
And to the point where we have any and got

(09:08):
our first container. But we're developing additional product ranges within
the range and other product around those ranges, because you know,
it just builds confidence in yourself.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Was this a seat learning curve for you guys, had
you started your own business earlier? Or is this all
brand new?

Speaker 6 (09:31):
We've had a couple of small businesses in the past, ourselves,
and they haven't been that successful. But I think as
we've matured and you know, got a little bit more
comfortable and a bit more backing, we're more confident to
invest a bit more.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
So can you just describe the product to us a
little bit more?

Speaker 8 (09:52):
So?

Speaker 2 (09:52):
You say that are they so they're kiwis like the
shape of a Kiwi? Is that correct?

Speaker 7 (09:56):
Yeah? So the shape of a Kiwi and you're.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Playing, You've put it like on your you know, on
your dashboard kind of thing.

Speaker 6 (10:01):
You put it on your dashboard. You could put it
on your desk, and you know, they're just fun and
quirky and relatable to every Kiwi. Packaging is very bright
and colorful and and quirky, well packaged for tourists and locals.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
And so you said that you've already had some sales
before the first container arrives. How people finding you.

Speaker 6 (10:25):
I'm finding them. I'm within the job that I'm currently doing.
I'm fortunate enough to be out and about around the
country already, so just knocking on doors while while I'm
out in about.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Oh well, so you don't have a site up or
a way to contact you around them yet.

Speaker 6 (10:43):
Yeah, we we've got We've got a website dub dub
dub dot the Cheeky Kiwi dot.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Com, The Cheeky Kiwi dot Yep, yeah.

Speaker 6 (10:54):
The Cheeky Kiwi dot Com. The website's not up and
running just yet. We haven't set that live until we
launched the product, but in the next few days that
all that'll go live.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Brilliant. Well, give us a ring back when it's live
and we'll talk about it again. Thanks for that, and.

Speaker 6 (11:08):
Mate, and I'll send you some images right now.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Other really well, all the best with that, and good
on you. You guys sound like you're excited about it
and you're doing something and that's wicked brilliant.

Speaker 6 (11:17):
Thanks for your time.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Cheers, Tony, What a good man. Love the hustle. Oh
eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call if you've managed to find success a little bit
later in life. Maybe starting your own business. Love to
hear from you.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Rob says, take my money, send me a razor bubblehead.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Now you got a customer, Tony, Yeah, Oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It is
nineteen past one.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the Mike asking.

Speaker 9 (11:41):
Breakfast flinance Minister Nicola Willis is back, will us wages
at two point four and now below inflation? We're going backwards.

Speaker 10 (11:46):
Well, you're using a different measure. I use the average
hourly yearning, which allows for the fact that people get
promotions and change job. That roads worth five.

Speaker 9 (11:55):
Nichola, this is your too political again. I'm just looking
at the number. Two point four is below the rate
of inflation.

Speaker 11 (11:59):
The measure you're using as a valid measure.

Speaker 12 (12:01):
The measure I'm referring to allowed to tech back that
people twitch off.

Speaker 9 (12:05):
Okay, we're going to run into trouble with each other again.
We are, but you need to at least three more cuts.
And they've undercooked this and that's not helping you.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Tell me I'm wrong.

Speaker 13 (12:12):
Well, every dank economist seems to agree with you.

Speaker 9 (12:14):
Night back tomorrow at six am, The Mic Hosking Breakfast
with Rain Drover News tog Zedb.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
New torg Zedb. It is twenty two past one and
we are talking about success later in life. As we
know with the numbers out yesterday. Sadly, there has been
a lot of people that have lost their jobs in
their forties, fifties and sixties and had to start again.
If that was you, if you had an unexpected change
in life and you managed to kick start into something new,
will start your own business. Love to hear your stories.

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On O one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Has a text you guys, hasen the guy that is
giving up at forty one? Easy for you to say
in your radio jobs sitting behind a microphone? Easy? What
I'm I supposed to do? Laboring? Picking up rubbish? I
can live on a benefit, just fine. Thank you. Get
back to me when you have a decent paying indoor
job like you have until then, shut your mouth. You
don't know what it's like out here. I am thirteen

(13:04):
thirty seven years old. Not that it matters, but that
is it for me. Why should I? Why would I?
Why should I? Why would I? Why should I?

Speaker 14 (13:12):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (13:15):
I mean, what do you say? The digs like that.

Speaker 14 (13:17):
Im.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
What I will say actually is I say, look, I'm sorry, mate,
it's probably you've got an attitude situation there. Just chin up,
maybe push forward. Maybe a bit of positivity and a
bit of hustle in your life will do you a
little bit of good.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Well, I mean, I get what you're saying. I'm very
grateful to have this job talking on the radio in
the afternoons on news talks. He'd be, it's a fantastic job.
I feel very lucky I haven't and not everyone can
do it. There's only there's only room for one Matt
and one Tyler. But I'm giving up at thirty seven.
That's a long time to just be giving up. Yeah,
I mean, you could work on something for thirteen years

(13:51):
and still only be fifty. And you're younger than Tony
who's starting a business in his late fifties. So you've
got if one thing that you've got at thirty seven
is a lot of time. Yeah, Ondred percent Sharon, welcome
the show.

Speaker 15 (14:06):
Thank you that afternoon. Well, I started my business when
I've been in a career in the medical building pharmacy
for many years since I started when I was seventeen
years old. So I've been on and off in that
business for quite a long time. And then we had
a place that we had another dwelling on it, and

(14:29):
you know, we moved out of that and moved into
the main house type of thing. We thought, what are
we going to do with this place? And I thought, oh, well,
I'll set up a bed and breakfast and see what happened.
Because there wasn't much where we were, and it was
on the way north and south and things like that.
And I quite like people and like, you know, for
them to have a nice stay in New Zealand when

(14:50):
they arrived. So that's what I did. Yeah, and that
was at the age of fifty. It was two thousand
and nine for eight hour old. But yeah, I really
enjoy it. I just love it. And I then was
retired from the pharmacy world about nearly three years go
now and still carried on with the other one. And yeah,

(15:12):
it's good. It was a bit of a leap of
face and we'll see what happens. But I think it's
plaid off.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
So we got a lot of people the texting and saying, look,
I just don't have the energy to do do this
kind of thing. But at fifty you had the energy.

Speaker 15 (15:27):
Yes, it was interesting because I was still working part
time in the farms, you know where I saved it.
So it got quite interesting because we were part of
a three day walk at one stage, and that was
exciting when we had all these people coming who demanded
lunch and breakfast and dinner, et cetera. And it was
a bit of juggling. But with the help of my
family and things, we worked on it. And well it's

(15:49):
hard work. It was, you know, you went to be tired,
but it was rewarded.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Yeah, And I mean it was a little bit scary
when you made that decision sharing. Clearly you wanted a
bit of change, but was there was it a bit
daunting to look at how you were going to make
this work.

Speaker 15 (16:05):
Yeah, to a degree, it was. It was a different
industry back then.

Speaker 10 (16:09):
It was.

Speaker 15 (16:09):
I mean, you basically only Airbnb had kind of started,
but it wasn't here in a big way. So we
had mainly Boka bats with that, which was the local
platform that people booked through or trade me as well,
and so you had mostly mainly local people coming Ortho.
He had a few visitors from the sign down the road,
you know, to call up seats availability. So it was

(16:31):
different in that regard and people were different back then.

Speaker 16 (16:35):
So oh it was good.

Speaker 15 (16:37):
I just had to steep learning curve, but you learned
what you shouldn't do and what you should do.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
So anyone out there who you know they've had an
unexpected change in their life situation, what would you say
to them if they're looking at giving something newer crack?
What would be your advice?

Speaker 10 (16:52):
Oh, just go for it.

Speaker 15 (16:53):
I mean it's like my son, he's twenty three and
he had various jobs, apprenticeships. E says, well, he never
quite found his niche and then he landed on something
and he has his own business and he loves it
and it was a leader safe. He was a bit concerned.
But this is once you don't do it, you'll never know.
So that's our philosophy. I guess you've got to try

(17:15):
it then you'll know.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yeah, there you go. Sharon the sixty is forty four
years old, working to launch Phase two, a little golfers
called Park Parshark, Dot Cod and Z. She's tough choosing
to break employments. Golden handcuffs just gone to pars Shark.
So you've got some club bags there you go and
look at that headcovers. I like this one. The longest
drive in town. You've got the up the pass, You've

(17:40):
got the four four four right one. Yeah, I love
you love it.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
No bogies, just sweet deals. Yeah, go that person love it. Hey,
these are pretty cool. Look at that.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
There's some good You've got a good par shark polo
in there. That's good stuff.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
You go, oh, it's good that as payday tomorrow. Well done,
parshark dot co dot n Z. Oh wait, hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number call. We've got full boards
at the moment. If you can't get through, keep trying.
It's a great discsh if you've found success later in life,
love to hear your story and your advice for people
out there listening who may be thinking of doing something similar.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
No delays, no nonsense, just great golf gear pas shark
water slogan.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
US Talk said.

Speaker 17 (18:22):
The headlines with blue bubble taxis it's no trouble with
a blue bubble. Economists predict the Reserve Bank will drop
the ocr another twenty five basis points in two weeks
on the back of our five year high for unemployment
at five point two percent. The Grosser Reaction Group is
again calling for the government to break up New Zealand's
supermarket giants, with figures showing our food prices at the

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fifth highest in the developed world. Masterton Police Station is
back out of lockdown after a man threatened a front
desk staffer with a knife just before midday. Officers tasered
and arrested him and no staff were injured. A proposal
for a marina near Russell, opposed by EWE and the
local boat club, will move ahead under the fast track

(19:05):
consenting process. It would offer space for a two hundred
boats and fourteen souper yachts. Excitement in Canterbury as the
Lake aliesmeyor tar Fucky Aerospace Center announces a permanent flight
testing area for flights and advanced aviation tech. The iconic
Rocky Horror Show is returning to theaters in Auckland, Wellington
and christ Church next March, fresh from London's West End.

(19:28):
Plus the New Zealand Top busiest ten house builders how
they cope with the downturn. Find out more at endzt
Herald Premium. Now back to Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Thank you very much, Wendy and having a great discussion
about getting success later in life. Some fantastic stories coming through.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Hi guys started a business at sixty three years of age,
still energized and committed and working in it ten years later.
Chairs No way am I retiring, good Man, Hi, Matt
and Tyler. I'm listening to all these with no energy
to get out there and do these things. I guess
energy comes from the thought process more than anything. So
just not motivated. And it's tough if you're not motivated,

(20:04):
and my populace of motivations holds you back. In my opinion,
I think that, in my opinion, motivator holds you back.
You get nowhere without motivation. Cheers Nikki. Yeah, finding motivation
and inspiration.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah, that is a big thing.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
But I mean, if the thing is if you give
up at thirty seven, that's a long time to be
doing nothing. Surely you can.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Get You can create your own motivation or find something
that motivates you and gets you excited.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Absolutely, steffs is this is people's problems. They look at
others and feel jealous. They don't see the sleepless nights
and the hard grind. I hardly get any sleep, grinding
out work and fall asleep at my laptop often as
I work two jobs, we work long hours and work
on our weekends, but should be able to reduce our
workload next year and each year following that. Each plan
takes at least five years from idea to actually working.

(20:52):
It's a hard slog. If you want the benefits.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
Yeah, good text, Thank you very much. Paulio, how are you?

Speaker 5 (20:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (20:59):
Good Tyler?

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Are you good mate?

Speaker 14 (21:01):
And what's your interesting conversation? I've got a couple of
things to cover off. Look, there's someone that I subscribe
to in my social media world called Gary V or
Gary Vaynerchuk. He is ah for one of a better word,
a outspoken, sort of motivating person and if he if

(21:22):
he talks to anyone that's sort of giving up at
that thirty seven age, he'll tell him to get the
f on with it, and by no uncertain measures will
kind of give him a pretty good self correction. So
if you're needing some motivation, look up. Gary V or
Gary Van Vaynerchuk is a full name and a Y.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
N E R C h U K American business man.

Speaker 14 (21:45):
Yeah, yeah, he's awesome. You should probably have. We probably
worth vesting a couple of videos before you play them on.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
The earth if you did.

Speaker 14 (21:53):
But he's very entertaining and very much worth. A lot
of people are having a hard time turn into him
listen to him and yeah, he's a legend.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (22:04):
Amid from that, I mean the Back of the Y
and the re Birth of Mister he has.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
Been real life example right here.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Look, when when I was making that shows as a
as a young man, you wouldn't probably wouldn't have picked
me to be on news so he'd be in the afternoon.

Speaker 14 (22:25):
It was a little bit shocked actually when he first
came on, to be fair, probably.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
The most disgusting show ever made.

Speaker 14 (22:33):
Yeah, exactly, Its awesome, mate. Beyond beyond that, look, I
run a business that my dad started and he was
a plumber in Littleton, christ area, started Littleton Plumbers with
his brother and then kind of broke off in his
forties and started a business called Spiral Lock Tubing. Right,

(22:55):
So basically he was looking for something to do that
wasn't plumbing because they got sick of being a plumber
in Littleton and he went out on his own nothing
to really make Originally, this is a nineteen the early
ninety seventies seventy six sort of thing, and he was
starting to make things like car washing machines. He wanted
to make drill presses and all sorts of stuff and

(23:18):
like space heaters and woodburners and that sort of thing.
He went to buy a couple of months of tube
for that machine and for a woodburner that he was developing,
and the tube wasn't available with the machine was the sale.
So basically he ended up buying that machine and building
a business manufacturing business around that machine. And today we

(23:43):
still employ eight eight guys and run manufacturing sheet metal
engineering business Prossure. So, you know, and you just got
to keep reinventing things because the reality is nothing. You know,
nothing stands still for long. And you know, we've got
even in business that's been around for a long time,

(24:04):
you've just got to keep keep inventing it. We make
little things, little units that our wood fires are heading
an outdoor bath, and that's something that's kind of come
completely left field, but it's been a really good little
for us. What do you call it, spiralck s p
i O l o C A little s p I

(24:25):
r oporro l o C l oc. Yeah, cool, yeah,
and yeah, we make all sorts of We make a
little wood benef for tiny houses, a bunch of off
grid type water heating devices, so from anywhere from a
spar pool up to a swimming pool. And yeah, essentially
we've just got to keep dreaming up new stuff to

(24:47):
make and being being inventive about it. And in the
re alias, you know, it's it's it's it's a bit
of fun too, you know. I think that's that's something
I've learned from my dad and and he was really,
you know, able to be inventive in a time where
you know, it was you know, when you started plumbing,

(25:08):
there was one one electric drill for twelve plumbers, you
know what I mean. It's a hard thing to even
think back to when you couldn't just go and buy
an electric drill or whatever it is, you know, sort
of you know that the world changed a huge amount
that in the last fifty years, and it's hard to
even see them some times, how much.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yeah, love it. Good on you, mate, and beautiful website
as well. Paulio, thank you very much for giving us
a buzz. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the numbered call if you found success later in life.
Or you're giving it a crack right now. We would
love to hear your stories.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Colonel Sanders was sixty four when he decided to cook
market and launch KFC. Sadly he sold the business stuff
for a couple of years, not realizing the potential.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
But yeah, sixty four, yeah KFC, look at it now,
love it. It is twenty two to two.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Your home of afternoon talk Man Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
Call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
Say'd be very good afternoon. It is nineteen to two.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
I'm very excited. I just got invite to a screening
of The Naked Gun. Oh that looks like you know,
I'm a huge fan of the original Raked Gun yep,
and the second and the third, but this Leam Neeson
remake of the Naked Gun looks so very good. But
it's out in the States right now, but for some reason,
it's not coming out here till the end of the month.
It's delayed. It's taking it back to the old days,

(26:28):
and you know New Zealand you skip movies way after
the States.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
But I'm happy for you, mate, You've been talking about
that for a long time and you were a bit
annoyed it wasn't coming here, but now you were a
front row seat for the premier year.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
I'm excited.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah, very good.

Speaker 8 (26:40):
Right.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
We are talking about success later in life and getting
some great stories coming through. This is a nice text, Koday, guys.
I launched my own clothing business just over two years
ago at the ripe old age of fifty two. I've
never worked in the fashion industry, but always had a
vision and a dream to have my own clothing company.
I was spurred into action when my sister passed away
and realized life is too short. The business is named
after her, Amber Dawn. What a beautiful name, and I

(27:02):
absolutely love it. I'm still working on my day job
at hoping one day Amber Dawn will pay off the
website as Amber Dawn dot co dot in Zed read.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
You guys saying that it's depressing giving up at thirty seven.
Have these idiots not heard of ripping bongs and day drinking.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
I'm sure they have. That's a generalization there, but.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
So thirty seven till you know, you generally expected these
days to live to you know, mid eighties ninety it's
a long time to be ripping bongs. And dray drinking.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Yes, certainly it's not good for the motivation as well.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
A half century of ripping bongs and day drinking. Yeah,
I mean it might be all right for a few days,
but fifty years might be too much. Helene, how are you?

Speaker 10 (27:43):
I'm very well thanked.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
How are you? Did I say your name right there?

Speaker 18 (27:47):
You did?

Speaker 4 (27:48):
Indeed? Yah?

Speaker 7 (27:48):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Good, good good. So you're about to publish a book, Well.

Speaker 10 (27:54):
Yeah, that's the plan, and it's an introductory book and
it will be followed by a trilogy.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Wow.

Speaker 10 (28:02):
But I've been working on it on an art for
some time, and I really should have attended to it
and finished it of ages ago, because I'm now eighty
seven years old. So you know, it's a matter of
as long as I think it knocked off my perch.
In the meantime, hopefully i'll have it all out there.

Speaker 7 (28:20):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (28:22):
If you don't mind me asking?

Speaker 6 (28:23):
Hi?

Speaker 10 (28:24):
Well, the first book is introduces the trilogy, So it's
a bit of a it's a little bit of a
I don't know how to describe it, but it's well.

Speaker 15 (28:38):
It's it's more of a.

Speaker 10 (28:40):
Journey because I did go on what I called a
pilgrimage because of an experience that I had that was
absolutely well, it's something that I couldn't ignore, right, and
I've really had to follow through. So you could call
it psychic. I suppose that I made and got apocalypse

(29:04):
written on it. And because it was, I think an apocalypse,
an apocalyptic experience and something that has altered my life.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Can you describe it to us?

Speaker 4 (29:17):
The experience, Well, it's a bit weird.

Speaker 6 (29:21):
Actually.

Speaker 10 (29:23):
I was going through a very nasty, well and upsetting
breakdown on a long term relationship, and I was suffering
from things like galloping, insomnia, migrain headaches, et cetera. My
doctor sent me to the pain Clinic at Auckland Hospital
where I had therapy and it was absolutely wonderful. It

(29:46):
really set me back on my fees and cured my
problems completely. But at the end of my treatment, my
therapist suggested that he put me into a state of
hypnosis so that when I left the pain clinic I
would have a self help tool that I could continue
to employ and you know, to my migrain benefits. So

(30:09):
that's what we did, and I had what he called
peak experience under hypnosis, and that's what started the whole thing.
And then the synchronicities began and they were absolutely amazing, magical,
totally magical, and I simply had to follow through. So

(30:29):
the Oracle Rock is the name of the book and
written the Oracle Rock because one of the one of
the places, or perhaps the key place that I visited
while I was overseas on my pilgrimage was the oracle
site of Delphi, the you know, the old ruins of Pollo,

(30:52):
the temple of Apollo delphineas in Delphi in Greece, and
I went there with my daughter and while I was there,
I decided to put up to the oracle for direction
and focus in my life. And I've just kind of
distinctively picked up a rock from the past which was
covered in broken bits of rock, you know, thousands of

(31:14):
some pieces, and I just held this rock. I asked
the oracle for help, you know, for focus. And when
I got back to Athens that night, I showed it
to my daughter. She turned it over and there was
cracked warn marble on the other side with the letter
E inside on it. I mean it was you know,
it wasn't just something that looked.

Speaker 18 (31:34):
Like the letter it was.

Speaker 10 (31:36):
It was the old Greek letter E and which means epsilon,
and the letter E used to be above the doorway
and the pronaeus of the of the ancient temple of
a Collow, and so that there's a whole lot of
stuff relating to that. And then of course I didn't
know what it meant. I just thought, wow, you know

(31:57):
this is this is pretty amazing, and I kept the rock.
And then I was speaking to a friend of mine
in Australia and he told me about the letter e
italon and its relationship to the temple of apollowood Secret
and so that started it. And then things just went

(32:18):
on from there that were totally magical and amazing, and
the trilogy has developed from there because I had this
experience after the hypnosis at the hospital. I had this
experience where one morning, after I'd woken up and I
was sitting having my breakfast, I had this thing where

(32:41):
it wasn't remembering a dream or anything, very very difficult
to describe, but I suddenly had this I was a
world of graduate skeptic, but I had this sudden conviction
that telepathic dolphins had given me this story and the
story was there, and I thought, well, that's ridiculous.

Speaker 19 (33:01):
And I mentioned it to my partner, who was in.

Speaker 10 (33:03):
The process of breaking up with and he laughed and said,
the bigger they are, the harder it fo. So the
thing issued, I'm an artist, and that would be my job, painting,
and it was an art tutor on and off and
over the years, and that I had to just show
that my teaching job. Stop painting and just try to

(33:26):
work on this thing. But I didn't know how to write,
and I just kept making a message and putting it
to one side and saying, no, I can't do this,
and now I go back and so on and so forth.
And now I'm eighty seven accounting. You know, I'm sort
of looking at what I've got, which is almost all

(33:48):
of what I need, and thinking, well, you know, I
really need to get this show on the road.

Speaker 19 (33:54):
So that's what I'm doing.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Wow, done what I story?

Speaker 2 (33:56):
So the Oracle Rock the first of the trilogy. Yeah,
and there's some telepathic telepathic dolphins involved.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
I'm keen to read it, Helen, get it out there
right now. We all want to read it.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
And they get back to us once once, don't wait
till the end of the trilogy. Get back to us.
When the first volumes out.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Yep, absolutely, thank you very much. Oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number of cour It's eleven
to two telepathic do dolphins.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Matt Heath Tylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
eighty eight.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
It's Matt Heath and Tylor Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
News Talks'd be very good afternoon to you. It is
eight two two and we're talking about success later in life.
We're trying to do something you've always wanted to do
after maybe a bit of a change in your circumstances.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
We are also talking about ancient rocks from Greek temples
with epsilon inside them and how that excites the telepathic dolphins.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
That was hell of a story.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
That was very, very very interesting from Helene Steve, welcome
to the show.

Speaker 20 (35:02):
How you doing? Is he a psychedelic.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
She's a hard one to follow from safe Do you
think you might have taken the end?

Speaker 20 (35:11):
Not really, not really, not really so harsh. So anyway, look,
it looks like you guys are enjoying yourself, which is
always nice. I'm sixty sixty one, to be honest, and
I thought I heard you guys talk and I'm like, well,
this is not my thing. You know, you talk about
a success, I'm a failed startup guy. So in fact,

(35:32):
I just shut down. I had a startup for twelve
years around innovation. I just shut it down last week,
you know. So my point is, you know, I guess
my reason why I called you is I think it's
it's all around defining success. So what is success? So
for me, I'm back in the corporate world. I've done
three or four startups. I didn't I had big customers,
all that thing. I didn't make the money I wanted

(35:54):
to make.

Speaker 21 (35:54):
I didn't live the.

Speaker 20 (35:54):
Life I wanted to lie I did in terms of
following my bliss and doing what I love doing. I'm
passionate about what I do. So I find myself back
as as a corporate guy. But I think it comes back,
I guess, and I didn't realize until I heard El
talk about I just wrote a book, you know, beyond
the scoreboard, CONVULTI Cultivating Resilience in young athletes. I forgot

(36:16):
about that.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
I even did that.

Speaker 20 (36:18):
It's something you know. I've been a coach on the
side of volunteer basketball coach for the last thirteen years
in Wellington, so you know, I guess that would be
later in success in life. But I guess my story
is I feel like I'm hugely successful. And why is
that even as I get later in life is because
no regrets, you know what I'm saying. I mean, I

(36:39):
backpacked for three years around the world and I didn't
make money then, so I didn't have the assets that
other than my other mates had. But you know, it's
how I think. The critical question in terms of that
is how do you what do you define success as
I'm proud of my three failed startups, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 7 (36:57):
Because I gave it a go.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
Yeah, it didn't work out, but I gave it a go.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
So what does it take to know that it's not
going to work out? You see the last one you
shut down last week or twoky, twelve years. At what
point do you know this isn't worth the energy I'm
putting into it and it's not going to work out.

Speaker 8 (37:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (37:13):
No, that's a great question.

Speaker 14 (37:15):
I think.

Speaker 20 (37:15):
You know, you get as a as an entrepreneur, as
a founder, you get attached to your vision and what
it is and it should just work. So in a
in a simple simple point there, it's a it was
around an innovation, an idea management platform. I used to
live in Japan when I was younger. I got this
concept everybody should be creative and innovate on the front line. However,
I realize again and again it didn't matter the companies

(37:37):
I was dealing with. They're not really committed to innovation. Right.
You have an evangelist, you have somebody that believes in it,
but at the end of the day, the executive and
business will do what business does. And I was in denial.
I tried everything. You know, that wasn't my full time gig.
I was the other learning I had, and people talk
about it. I had multiple startups at the same time.
You can't do that. Maybe Elon Musk can, but you

(37:59):
can't do that unless you've got a gigantic brain and
you only sleep four hours.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
I don't.

Speaker 20 (38:04):
So the reality was, you know, you really when when
people give advice, I get advice to younger people. If
I'm mentoring someone, focus on that one thing so hard
to give it one hundred percent, and then you know,
because you get a bit delusional. Like all young people.
You know, all these at the same time, and I
can raise my three kids and I can do this

(38:25):
and I can no, you can't.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
So do you think that at sixty one that's it
for your startups? You know you said you back in
the corporate world, But would you if the idea came along,
the right thing came along, you get back into it.

Speaker 20 (38:39):
Oh well, you know, whatever I do, I need to
love doing. You know that's my mantra I walk away.
I mean I get paid.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Well.

Speaker 20 (38:46):
What I do right now.

Speaker 7 (38:47):
Is leading edge in New Zealand.

Speaker 20 (38:48):
It's around digital identity and identity credentials. So I never
say never, just in case my employers listening. You know,
as long as I'm passionate and I feel like I
can roll the dice, I'll do what I need to do.
But at this stage of my life, I feel like
if you look back in the side mirror, view mirrors,
whatever you say, I would say that, yeah, it's been

(39:10):
successful and I got to continue to do that. And
the last point I'll say is as long as I
pass that on to my children in terms of understanding
what it is. Boom, I'm done.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Yeah you go. Thank you so much, Steve. You're an
uplifting guy.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Yeah, what a great call. We're going to carry this
on after two o'clock. So I'd love to hear your
stories on Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty did
you give something newer crack later in life and find
success or even as Steven didn't quite work out so well,
did you love it anyway?

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Or if you've dealings with telepathic theme memmals, I'd love
to hear from you as well.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Absolutely, news is next.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
Talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
It's Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams Afternoons New's Talks.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
It'd be very good afternoons you welcome back into the program.
Awesome to have your company. As always, we have been
talking about success later in life. If you've handed a
change of circumstances and you decided to start a business
or indeed write a book, what was it that gave
you the push to do that? Oh one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Hey there, I had a relationship with an absolute cad
and wanted to retaliate. So I've written a book and
bumped them off. Very satisfying. I'm seventy six, just about
to submit the manuscript to a publisher. Kathy, Thanks for that,
well done. Kathy should clarify she's written a book and
in the plot she's bumped them off.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Right, Okay, that makes more sense here. So she hasn't
written the book Comma and bummed them off.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Yeah, yeah, so they're not two different things. Okay, I've
written a book to feel better and then I killed
him and they're just about to submit the manuscript.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
Love to hear the title, Kathy, It's fantastic. Nine two
ninety two is the text number.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
I started my own business at age sixty one after
injuring my back nursing two years on. I now have
five thousand, five hundred followers on Instagram and love my
new job knitting beautiful Mohir Jumpers, Sisters that knit dot com?

Speaker 3 (40:58):
This is so good.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Sister's that knit dot com? All right, there you go.
No here, jumpers, Sisters that knit. Okay, it's so exciting
for people listening to me.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Where do we really want to see these jumpers?

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Okay, here we go, Here we go, Here we go,
Sister's that nit dot com? Well, can someone on tremere
come in here and fix the z met?

Speaker 3 (41:22):
It's really good when you work in a media here
with no Wi fi?

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Oh, here we go, bloody lovely that is a very
comfy looking sweater.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
Oh that's a that's a lovely website as well.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Sort of pink mo here number there with a sort
of turtleneck.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
He spoke water.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
I mean, I wouldn't be that because it's it's it's
a bit a bit feminine for me.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
You're lot good in the Sofia. Actually, I'm just looking
at the shop now.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, there you go. So check out sisters
that nit dot com love it started that business at
sixty one bloody good on you.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
Yeah, oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Push car. How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 8 (42:01):
Yeah very good. Thanks you gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
How are you very good? So tell us your story?

Speaker 8 (42:07):
Yeah, so look, basically, I'm originally from India and I
came to New Zealand when I was very seven. So
it's really interesting when I heard that someone wants to
give up at thirty seven, I came to the country
with precisely eleven hundred dollars in my pocket and I
didn't know anybody, absolutely, no one. A typical immigrant story

(42:27):
where I worked hard, long hours weekends, you know, started
working in retail stores first, like no living and Harby Norman.
Then eventually entered into a corporate world. Worked with big
companies like Yellow Pages, Fairfax Media and a few others,
and I was very successful. And yeah, and last year

(42:48):
my daughter got married, so I was in a very
you know, I pressured sales job for last twenty five years,
and I was I was a bit tired with those
with those kind of pressures. So I said to myself,
I didn't want to retire. I'm sixty two now. I
didn't want to retire because an empty mind is a
devil's workshop. So I had the Indus we experience of

(43:09):
about fifteen years in digital marketing. So yeah, I went
back to India, I joined hands with a bunch of
really talented guys and I founded my own company here
in Auckland and we do the same thing. So we
do website, search engine optimization, Google ads, social media, branding,
everything and I'm really happy.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Has been going for about a year, did you say, yes?

Speaker 8 (43:35):
Yes, about about a year. And I'm sixty two now,
so and I'm not going to stop.

Speaker 15 (43:39):
Yeah, I'm putting too much pressure.

Speaker 8 (43:41):
That is going extremely well. But I'm not putting too
much pressure onto myself like the corporate world.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
But so have you managed to make yourself sort of
financially secure enough that you don't have to worry too much?

Speaker 8 (43:56):
Yes, to be honest, simultaneously, I'd built a small portfolio
of properties as well for myself, nice which actually helped
me quite a lot.

Speaker 6 (44:06):
You know.

Speaker 8 (44:06):
So I'm a bit financially secured. But you still need
disposable income.

Speaker 19 (44:11):
You can't just.

Speaker 8 (44:11):
Say because in New Zealand the inflation is too high
and retirement is very expensive in this country, so you
need some kind of income. Obviously I'm not making that
kind of money which I was making in the corporate.

Speaker 14 (44:23):
World, but I'm happy. Yeah, you know, I was my
own hours. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
So for you, you're thinking here and someone say that it
was this you guys hastling the guy that was giving
up a forty one. Easy for you to say, what
do you say? I'm thirty seven, Not that matters, but
that that's it for me? Why should I do?

Speaker 4 (44:41):
So?

Speaker 2 (44:41):
You would say to that person you were thirty seven
when you started the path that you're on, and exactly,
and you've managed to suit yourself up pretty nicely and
currently just starting again with something that you're enjoying.

Speaker 8 (44:56):
Absolutely. One last thing I'll tell you before I go,
is I truly believe in self motivation. Like I'm a
one man bank business now, I have for it from home.
I don't have anyone to motivate me. Every morning, I
pushed myself. You know that's really important.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Yeah, and so do you think you were naturally a
motivated person? Because a lot of people are texting through
and saying I just don't have the motivation and I
don't know where to find it. You found the motivation
within you? Or did you search for motivation? Did you
search for mentors to motivate you? How did you how
did you motivate yourself?

Speaker 8 (45:32):
No, again, it's a typical immigrant story. I had no choice.
I couldn't go back to my country. I had to
motivate myself and be successful. English was my second language.
I couldn't even speak properly.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
You know how long did that take you? Because you
speak English obviously very well. Now, how long did it
take you to your get your mind around the language?

Speaker 8 (45:53):
Well, it wasn't that bad because India was ruled by British,
so I could speak English.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
Yeah, right, but maybe in.

Speaker 8 (45:59):
Last twenty five years after living with you, guys, I'm
a bit better. I don't still call myself fluent, but
I'm a bit better.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Well, I mean you sound pretty fluent to me. Yeah,
I mean absolutely no problem understanding you at all. So
you've now that part of it. Yeah, it is an
interesting one though, but because you do just yeah, I
mean that not being able to give up as a
huge motivation.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Absolutely, you know, not in you're up against it.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
No choice, I guess. But then again, you've got yourself
out of that situation over time, pushcar, and you've still
motivated yourself. So obviously at one point you had no
choice because you arrived there and you couldn't go back
and you had to make it work. But then say
fifteen twenty years after that, you were probably getting a
bit more choice in your life and you still manage
to be motivated.

Speaker 8 (46:46):
Yeah. Even in my current role right now, I have
to self motivate myself because I'm trying to reach out
to my client. So I do hardcore prospecting. I do
cold calling, and it's the numbers game. If you make
twenty calls, one person might be interested, but if that
turns into a business, you've made your day, you know.
So it's not an easy job. For me as well,

(47:06):
because it's our industry is very competitive. Yes, so many
people are doing.

Speaker 14 (47:10):
The same job.

Speaker 8 (47:11):
So to reach out to new prospects and new clients,
you need motivations. So yeah, without motivation, you can't be
successful at all.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Is there ever a point, Pushcar, because I take it
just by what you were saying. Sometimes you're feeling stressed there,
or you might wake up and you think, man, maybe
I just give this up and just retire. Do you
ever get that thought in your head? Or you just
love what you're doing now?

Speaker 2 (47:31):
No, the devil's worship, as he said, the devil's workshop, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Yeah, that's right, walking not's a walking pushcar. You you
could height New Zealand, you could do so many things.

Speaker 18 (47:44):
Yes, you're right.

Speaker 8 (47:45):
Well, I love New Zealand. I love the people. I
love the country. This country has given me a lot.
So thank you so much to all the ks.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
Hey, that's all right, push Gar, thank you for your call. Yeah,
what a great call. What a good man. Self motivation,
I mean that is Look, that is difficult for a
lot of people.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Yeah, Tyler's running a devil's workshop over there in that
empty mind piece, that's for sure. This Tixer says, okay,
i'll iffing bite. Okay, all very well to say all
this pull yourself up by bootstraps rubbish. We don't all
have ideas. I lost my job, I can't get another.
I have no ideas on how to start a business.
I am on a benefit That's not where I want

(48:20):
to be. But what the hell that's where I am.
You can't just tell me to do something?

Speaker 22 (48:24):
Do what?

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Go where? What business? Idea? I have nothing? Drinking at
least stops me hating myself for a while. You guys
are so judgmental. Easy for people born with ideas and
motivation to be successful. I don't have those. That's a yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
I mean we can give them some ideas. I mean,
I don't want to say bubble heads, because Tony, you
already had that idea. But that's one example. You know,
there's a lot of things out there people need. But
you can see what he's saying. Some people don't have
ideas and don't have motivation. Where do you find the
ideas and the motivation to start again? If you don't, Yeah,
can AI help?

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Hey? I might well be able to help, But but yeah,
I mean people might someone out there might be helping.
One hundred and eighteen eighty. Where do you find motivation? Yep, great, Quinn,
So where do you ideas? You know, if we're telling
people to start again and keep going and not to
give up in their late thirties, forties, fifties, where do
they get the ideas?

Speaker 3 (49:16):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. It is sixteen past two.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Wow your home of Afternoon Talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
afternoons call. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
Very good afternoon to you. We I have been talking
about doing something different later in life, even if you
haven't had success. We've had a lot of people saying
that they had to change in circumstances and they've tried
something completely different and absolutely loved it.

Speaker 20 (49:42):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
W eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Travis is answering that text that I just read of
it before biting man obviously has means to text you. Yes,
AI can help. There are jobs out there, hustle for
if sake, Wins will pay for you to get a
truck license. Go get one. Yeah, I mean there are
people so you know, he's responding to that text around
how do I start? And I think a good place

(50:07):
to start is to reach out to people because there
are there are I think if you went into Wins
and you said, I am really I want to do something?
So what is what's he saying here? I have no
ideas on how to start a business. I'm on a
benefit that's not where I want to be. But what
the hell? You can't just tell me to do something?

Speaker 7 (50:26):
Do what? Go?

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Where? What business idea? I have nothing? I think if
you if you just there are people that are there
to help, if you've just got to, you know, reach out.
I think if you went into Wins and you whatever
it's called now and say, you know, I want to
do something, I want help, then then there are people
that would be very happy if they would like, look,

(50:47):
there's someone that wants help. You know. That's why I'm here.
I'm going to try and help you.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Mate, even mentors outside of that, right that. If you
there's people that you admire, just reach out to them.
Not everyone will get back to you, but some do
because people love to give advice and what's worked for them.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Yeah, John, welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (51:05):
Yeah, good Hey, guys, I had a bit of a
bad time, you know, late in life and lost my job.
But I got a new job in a different sort
of indurist industry at sixty years of age. And you know,
six years later, I'm still with the same company. And

(51:28):
you know, getting to my age, you've got a bit
of gray here, and that means that you know a
lot of people. And a guy walked in after about
two weeks and he goes you and I met twenty
years ago in frongra, Remember I said, yeah, I do.
And so you know, it goes a bit of experience

(51:49):
goes a long way. And the guy that owns this business,
he's given me a chance and I've grabbed it with
both hands. So I'm pretty happy.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
So was it a totally different area than you had
been working on?

Speaker 7 (52:02):
So it was in the in the building industry. But
this product I knew nothing about, yep, And and it's paint.
It's paint. I don't know dyll is quite about paint.
I do now, you know, And you know, God gave
me a chance, and you know he still owns a business.

(52:22):
And yeah, as I said, six years later, were you
know in terms are going pretty well?

Speaker 2 (52:28):
And so I miss the start of it. So sorry, John.
So you you'd lost your previous job, and so you
were you were searching around for a new one, and
and was that was that? You know, how long were
you searching around? And what were you feeling like at
that that time, being sixteen and in needing work.

Speaker 7 (52:45):
Well, you know, I actually ended up working at Eden
Park and Stadium two years. Yeah, and my son, you know,
he said, I take talk to my son and he says, oh, Dad,
you know how much petrol does it cost to coming
come and get me? And I said, oh, you know,
I've got twenty bucks and he says, our payer petrol.

(53:07):
And I said, na, na, na. And I said, look here,
look at this on my phone. If I go there tomorrow,
I'm going to be working at Eden Park. I said,
but it's you know, it's Monday to Friday, and then
I have to be there on a Friday night or
Saturday night or Sunday whenever the Blues are playing, you know.
And he goes, you're going to get paid to watch
the Blues, dad, And he goes, that's a pretty good

(53:31):
job there, yes, So you know, so it's all, you know,
all things lead to leads somewhere. Yeah, and you know,
and you know, and you know, just one of those things.
Just keep on going, you know, and if you want to,
I mean you can probably work it out. What sort
of card I've got now after six, you know, at

(53:54):
sixty six years of age? Yeah, yeah, and that one, Yeah,
it's a good card. And you know, you know, like
they got the Indian chap On before. I mean, he's
got to. He's got a good add that guy. And
then you know, so just keep on going if you
want to, And that's what I'm doing.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Good on you, John, another great attitude. Absolutely love it.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty C number call Okay,
I'll bite back.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Guy. Firstly, stop drinking. It's costing you money and it
won't be helping your brain work well, sleep well, or
get any motivation. Call a counselor or Gunboot Friday or
someone hating yourself as a waste of time. Everyone can
do something. If you're on a benefit, you have time.
Most people don't have time. What did you use to
do for work? What do you want to do? Go
and volunteer at a business that you like to be

(54:43):
involved in.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Yeah, yep, all good advice there. Absolutely right. We're going
to play some messages, but we've got plenty of calls
to get to, but love to hear from you. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighties the number to call. Twenty
four past.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
Two matd Heathen, Tyler Adams.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty on Youth
Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
Very good afternoon to you. It is twenty six past too.
Getting some great techs coming through on people who did
something different later in life and have had different measures
of success. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call as well.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Success at a late age is Tom out of the Office.
He launched his Jump to Conclusions board well into his
sixties after a failed attempt on his life in a
horrific car accident. James, that is one of the greatest
movies of all time off of space, and didn't he That's.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
Right, he creates it at the end, didn't he?

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Well, I think he created Jump Jump to Conclusions one
of the greatest scenes when every from the officer that
is a horrible, horrible idea. That is a terrible idea.
But yeah, he got hit by a van, so all
his dreams came true because he managed to sue someone.
That's right, got Off of Space. Such a fantastic movie,
Ron Livingston, Jennifer Aniston, directed by Mike Judge. It's just

(55:54):
if you have never watched Off of Space, just find
it wherever you can. I find out where it's on
and where you can watch it because it's so good.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
Yeah, very very funny. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. Mark you had a job
change at fifty.

Speaker 13 (56:11):
Yeah, I had a major job change at fifty. I've
been a truck drive most of my life, and at
fifty years old, I changed to a community caregiverer wow
looking after elderly people in their homes. And I did
an the NCAA Level three National Certificated Caering for the elderly.
And I've now been doing this job twenty years and

(56:33):
I don't want to retire.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Buddy good on you, And it's a fantastic job. And
so what motivated you to you know, So for people
that are looking to change, how did you find that job?
How did you think about that? How did it come
into your sphere? Twenty years ago?

Speaker 13 (56:50):
So it came about I lost both my parents within
months of each other and I really didn't see the
point of living much longer. And I was going to
counseling and the councilor just said to me, you know,
what would you like to do for a job. And
there was two jobs I would really love to do

(57:10):
in my life. One was looking after handicapped children or
looking after elderly people. And I got the job looking
after elderly people.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Oh bloody good on you, Mark. That's fantastic. And it's
been a challenging career, or is it it is?

Speaker 18 (57:26):
It is?

Speaker 13 (57:26):
But the one great thing about this job is every
client is like a book in a library. They've all
been on different journeys. They've all got a different story
to tell, and that's the amazing thing about these people.

Speaker 7 (57:40):
And that's the part of.

Speaker 13 (57:42):
The job I love so much.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
Yeah, that is a great attitude, Mark. And so you're
not going to retire anytime soon. You're just going to
keep going until you can't do it anymore.

Speaker 13 (57:52):
I think eighty I might retire.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
So you know, once you get into your eighties, you'll
be an elderly person looking after elderly people.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Oh no, no problem, you're a good man, Mark.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
You Mark, And congratulations. This business is absolute bollocks from you, Matt.
The Ministry of Social Development does not help, It does
not care. In fact, they deliberately obstructive. I think they
get off on screwing people and seeing people upset. I've
seen them mess with people and watch these poor people
walk out the door upset with no useful assistance. Ministry

(58:27):
of Social Development is part of the hopeless people feel.
Too many people in New Zealand without a voice. I always
understand why text means nothing to anyone. That's really sad
if you think that.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
But I.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Mean, is that just one person you're coming across at
the Ministry of Social Development? Because I imagine, I mean,
isn't that their whole job. Isn't there their whole job
to help people and get.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
People back into employment of training or and.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Look, I don't know, I'm speaking out of turn here.
Never worked in the Ministry of Social Development. I've never
had a benefit in my life. But imagine there are
people there that they would that would make their day
if someone came in and said, look, I'm really motivated,
I want to find something. What have you got? What
pro If you've got, what can I take? And just
keep coming back and every time they could to try

(59:13):
and you know, get the most they can out of
the system.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
Yeah, but am I wrong? Let us know one hundred
eighty ten eighty or Center tex nine two nine two
headlines with Windy is coming up. Then we're going to
take more of your cause if you want to jump
in O eight one hundred and eighteen.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Eighty and as brentis, Texas Off of Space one of
the greatest movies ever made in my opinion. It's on
Disney Plus. It's part of the subs.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
Lover watching this weekend. It is twenty ninety three.

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(01:00:48):
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Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
Thank you very much. Wendy and we have been chatting
about having a crack at something different later in life.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
What was the course that Marray's just using. What was
the course there at? What was that caller's name again?

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
Oh, the previous caller Mark Mark, Yeah, so he did
he was looking after the elderly. But the course he
did was NCEEA Level three National Certificate Caring for the Elderly. Yeah,
so if you look that up you'll find it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
This textas said, I'm sure there are negative people that
wins that like to be unhelpful, but that would be
the minority. If you go to them with a positive attitude,
they can be very helpful. I know this from personal
experience and from others. Yeah, we're just a textas saying
that wins were terrible to them and took pleasure and
you failing. But you know, if you just go to
the workman in some site, where have they got here?

(01:01:45):
Get ready to work courses everything you need to help
you get ready to find a job. You can get training,
help with cvs and cover leaders, and advice for job
interviews getting ready to work, or there's cvs and cover letterers,
job interviews, feeling anxious about work, training, study and qualifications.
So it seems like there's quite a lot of courses
there that you can do. Yeah, you know, and I

(01:02:05):
imagine just I guess, can you try another case work?

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Definitely if you get a roadblock, try somebody else. Take
it higher.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
If if someone, as that text has said, that is
enjoying your failure. The sticks here Minister of Social Liveent
does not help. In fact, they are deliberately obstructive. I
think they get off on screwing people. I mean, if
you come across someone like that, then they go above
their head.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Yeah, those people in their MESD that's for sure. Yeah, Craig,
how are you?

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
I go?

Speaker 12 (01:02:33):
This is good, really good topic. I think if you're
in your teen's, twenties to early thirties, you definitely have
to love what you're doing. You've got to try and
make an income out of what you love. But I
think if you haven't cracked, but you've got to, then
do what you have to do. I was thirty seven,

(01:02:54):
I'd had about thirty five different jobs, dropped out of
school fifteen because I was just not academic. And I
sat down one day and I wrote, what do I
need to make to live to pay the rent, to
pay the bills and petrol, food, that kind of thing.

(01:03:15):
And I broke it down to a week to a
day to an hour, and I said, right, well, I'm
going to go self employed and I'm going to make
sure I earned that much every day. And then I
worked out what I could do is self employed to
earn that money, and is it what I want to do. No,

(01:03:37):
it's not what I've been doing about eighteen years, and
every year my goals have gotten bigger and bigger, and
I don't like what I do, but I love what
I That's what I do enables me to do the
things I love. That makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
It does make sense absolutely. And so you've managed to
now employ others, so it seems to be going pretty
wealth you great.

Speaker 12 (01:03:59):
Yeah, Hey, we've had to scale back the last couple
of years, like a lot of companies. So at the
moment it's back to me, one man band. But I
know we'll go again when things get better. At the
top of my seven guys working for me. But I
don't like what I do. If I had my time again,

(01:04:21):
I still want to know what I want to do.
So there's some people that do just have to do
what they have to do to get on with them.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Yeah, it's a funny thing that knowing what you want
to do. You know, often people ask at seventeen, what
do you want to do with your life? I think
a lot of people will go right through their life
and not know exactly what they want to do. It's
quite a difficult question, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (01:04:42):
You know, there's things, there's things you want to do,
but realistic I don't think there would be too many
people that go to work every day saying this is
my passion. I don't think there's many of those people.
But I would all say that their time and they
able to do what's happened.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Yea, yeah, exactly. So I guess what I'm trying to
say is is what you're saying there. You know the
idea that you need to find your passion in life.
And then you know that people say things if you
if you love what you do, you're never working all
those kind of things. There must be only one percent
of the population that that you know their job.

Speaker 12 (01:05:16):
There and lucky.

Speaker 21 (01:05:18):
Yeah, yeah, but I okay, goals and speedway.

Speaker 12 (01:05:22):
I want to do international travel. I want to be
a farmer, but I couldn't see that only the farm
was going to be viable pet to that. But what
I do has enabled me to buy a lifestyle block. Yeah,
and so it's yeah, but what I do every day
of the week, if I don't have to do it,

(01:05:43):
I want to be doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Yeah, that's absolutely yeah. I mean there must be the
case for for most people. I do seriously think that
that idea that you that your life is defined by
your job, and that if you find something just you've
got to find that perfect thing that job aligns with
you and reach all your dreams and goals. Sometimes you
just got to find a job that's pretty good and
then and then try and do the things, find some hobbies.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
Exactly, you know. Yeah, but that idea that you know,
what was the phrase that if you work in your passion,
you never have to work a day in your life.
It is a myth. It is a mess, you know.
I know a lot of people, Look, this is a
fantastic job, and I'm so lucky to be here. And
I know a lot of friends who have followed their
passions and they've got fantastic businesses. Most of the time
they love it. But they'll still winch they'll still have

(01:06:29):
bad days, they'll still have stress, They'll still wake up
some days and think, oh jeez, I want to do
something different now.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
Yeah, well, I remember telling my career a guidance a
person that this woman at school I wanted to be
a rock star, and you were, well kind of, but
but she rightly said, you won't be a rock star.
To be fair, I did have a top twenty album,
but you wouldn't call me a rock star. More of
a rock moon. I don't know, not quite a start.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. We're going to play some messages, but we've
got plenty of calls to get to. But love to
hear your story.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
The issues that affect you and if it, have fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
That'd be afternoon. It is seventeen to three.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
That person before was correct. Social development are terrible. You
have to be motivated and do it yourself. They offer
nothing of use. Nothing is easy, and if you are
new to the system and don't know entitlements, they don't
tell you even when sick, no community services card for
a full year. If you were working tough about the
medical costs and much made harder if you're used to
working in a bit more money. Yeah, I guess, I

(01:07:36):
guess The thing with that is what I was saying
is you know this person said was asking, you know,
what should they do? How do they go go forward?
But I mean, you know, if you go into wins
and you are motivated, then there are things, there are
courses that they've got that will help you definitely.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
And I think you know, yeah, that's a skill in
life though, right that if you are getting those roadblocks
at MASD and you need help, fight for it. And
that was as a skill that is going to serve
you well going forward is don't take no for an answer,
show up as you say every day, show that motivation,
go above their head. Those are all skills that are
to serve you very well once you get into the workforce.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Hey guys, I'm on the fence about wins. My son's
case worker knew nothing about dyslexia and how it affects people.
They thought it was the same as ADHD and asked
him what medication he took for it. He needs to
exist training to pass a psychometric testing for a job,
as his dyslexia causes issues with reading quickly. They are
times tests, but as his literacy and numacy are too high,

(01:08:33):
he can't get any help. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
Yeah, that's a tricky one.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Yeah, I mean, but I'm just sure that there'll be
people that you know that at work and income that
were desperate to help, right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
Yeah, that in fact, they don't know how to help
in that situation. It's a government agency. There will be
people within that realm who would have those skills and expertise,
you'd hope anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Yeah, I mean, if you're working and absolutely in any
business at all, these terrible employees and I don't know
why the percentages at wins, but maybe there's a lot
of people that have given up on life. But I
can imagine, and maybe this is some sort of naive belief,
there would be people working there that would be absolutely
stoked to help someone and see them move into another

(01:09:18):
part of their life. You succeed, Dion.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
How are you good?

Speaker 19 (01:09:22):
Thanks? Guys. Are you doing today?

Speaker 7 (01:09:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
Very good? So you were made redundant last year, Dion.
And how are you going now?

Speaker 19 (01:09:31):
Well, I don't have a full time job at a moment,
but I'm working in what I enjoy. Yeah. So, I
mean I was an IT engineer, and the it is
it's hard to get back into, specially at my age.
I'm fifty eight years old. So employees we prefer to

(01:09:51):
employing people that's younger coming out of the university, so
they don't have to pay them that much. But that's okay,
as part of when I got made redundant. Yes, it
gave me a bit of a shock being in it
for forty odd years since I was seventeen. So yeah,

(01:10:12):
my wife told me that you had you have an
opportunity to do what you love, and I said, yeah, okay,
when I've got maybe ten years left before I have
to retire whatever something like that. So I decided this
is gonna cost us. We made life difficult class. So yeah,

(01:10:33):
I got an improved job as a coordinator for a
West Auckland not for profit called what Tachi Ethnic Board.
As I said, I'm ethnic from Sertifrica, so I'm the coordinator.
But what I'm trying to say is I'm doing something
that I love and stepping right out of my comfort Zune.

(01:10:55):
You know, I went and enrolled myself for the current
or for upcoming local elections as a local board member.
And for me, it's just going to work in my community.
Just I love working with people. And yes, the opportunity
for me working in a suppose corporate environment in a
in an environment where I can work with people doesn't

(01:11:17):
come along. That's okay, I'm just doing what I love
at the moment. Yes, it's not playing, it's not playing
all the bulls. But oh, I have an awesome wife
that supports me in it, and yeah that's basically me.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Oh bloody good and all the best for you there.
So I guess the obvious question is if the corporate
job popped up again, would you throw aside what you're
currently doing that you love and go back to the
corporate world or is.

Speaker 19 (01:11:43):
It not into it? Ev I want to go and
do something that's going to be our benefit when it
comes to seeing something like a success manager or a
customery lesson manager or something like that, where I can
work with people and I have I believe this is me.
I believe that I was put on a surf to

(01:12:04):
make people smile. That's just me. I know that's my
sense to some people, but that that is for me.
The thing I most of going to my job is
being able to walk up the road to my coffee
every day and to say and make one person smile.
That's fine. That's what I get up every morning to
do is make one person smile, and then that Melissa

(01:12:25):
can When they're smiling, they forget about all their wales,
all their concerns because it can't be beset and smart
at the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Mate, that's a beautiful philosophy.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
Yeah, I'm glad people like you're out their tea on
that as lovely mate at the age of fifty eight
to know that about yourself. Right, we're going to take
a quick break, but there's plenty more stories to get to.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
I'd'd be much like that last quar and my goals
have never been work related. They've been to run a
three hour marathon. Yeah, okay, a job is just to
facilitate my lifestyle. Yeah, that's the point I was trying
to make. The idea that you know, you've got to
find your dream vocation and that that perfect thing and
find your meaning and your work and all this stuff.
Sometimes it's just you have a job and then there's
other interests that you have. I mean, for the longest time,

(01:13:05):
I think people thought a good life was to have
a job and then you volunteered at the rugby club
or you know, you did whatever, you rotary club, I
don't know, Lions club, with lots of different things that
people did. They had their job and then the wider
community thing they did. The idea that you have to
find the absolute dream vocation and you know what am
I going to do with my life? Is the question

(01:13:25):
that you're asking from about seventeen till about forty a year,
give up and go oh, I've never found my dream.
Maybe that never existed.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
Nicely said, it is ten to three.

Speaker 4 (01:13:37):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
News Talks there B it is eight two three.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
So there's a lot of people been taking shots at
the Ministry of Social Developments. High. I am a community
rep for Social Element don't, however, I sit on it.
The law requires a case manager to provide all the
information to a client. The information to a client, they're
full and correct and time implements. It does require being

(01:14:09):
honest and providing the MSD with the proper information.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
Yeah, there we go. So the help is there and
there are some good workers within THEMSD by the sounds
of it, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
We advertise a dairy farm job with winds, ready to work,
entry level skills with some or no experience required, ten
minutes from Hamilton City Salary sixty two thousand, including a
three bedroom house. It was advertised for three weeks. Not
one person applied. Had to seek employees offshore. That's from Penny.
So is that a dairy farm job, ready to work,
entry level skills. Sixty two thousand dollars a year, including

(01:14:43):
a three bedroom house.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
That is a good salary, that's not too bad without
having to pay rent. Absolutely, I wonder if you're in
the area of this person that's given up. Yeah, I
think we got Alex on the phone. Get a Alex.

Speaker 22 (01:14:58):
Hey, Hey, going guys.

Speaker 18 (01:14:59):
Nice to talk to you.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
Both, likewise, nice to talk with you.

Speaker 18 (01:15:05):
Yeah, it's just interesting listening to people's perspective. And look,
I absolutely recognize that people are, you know, just different,
and that's a good thing and so dependent upon your attitude,
you know, the ability to move forward in life despite
your circumstances can be very rewarding if you simply have

(01:15:26):
that type of attitude.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
You know, nicely said Alex. Now we're a bit short
on time before the news, but we're really keen to
hear your story. You made a major change at the
age of forty six.

Speaker 18 (01:15:37):
Well, I worked for the council managing a small leisure
center for sixteen years, and then my staff and I
would have maybe redundant when they built a new rec
center up the road, and so you know, it was
a pivotal time in my life. But at forty six
it led me down to what it is that I
do now.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
And what do you do now?

Speaker 18 (01:15:57):
So I'm once known as a gain on disposal of
steward for hotels. When hotels commercial hotels, when they refurbish
or upgrade, they normally have to pay someone to come
and take there for a true way, which you know
it's understandable. But what I do is I provide a
service that allows those hotels to have their inventory addressed

(01:16:17):
and I empty whole hotels. And the way that I
do it is, I say, listen, guys, the answer to
your situation here is to bless the loser of people
who have needs, especially post COVID where inflation is so high.
So what we do is we set up the inventory
and make it available for members of the public who
know about it as such outrageously cheap prices. It becomes

(01:16:38):
an absolute blessing. The biggest problem is hotels just don't
have enough inventory.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
It's a fantastic John and how did you get into that?
Did you know someone within the hotel business?

Speaker 18 (01:16:49):
No, I didn't.

Speaker 10 (01:16:51):
You know.

Speaker 18 (01:16:52):
A lot of events occurred, honestly, and it's going to
take too long to explain it. But if I'm being
straight up about it, the good man upstairs basically steered
me into this. So part and parcel of what my
responsibility is is not only to set up pricing, which
is so inclusive that it allows people, for example, to
buy beds the sixty bucks or forty bucks. You know,

(01:17:15):
but it moves the inventory. And you know, while it's
data for the hotel's purposes, will it work domestically? Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
Love it interesting, What a great story. Now, just before
we hit the news, there's been a lot of people
concerned about the texture. A little bit earlier on who
was a bit downcast about the situation.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Yeah, the one that said he'd given up and he
didn't have any ideas and didn't know what to do.
So we're going to send all that information, all your
advice to that guy and hopefully he sorts it south
out and found some motivation thanks to all the lovely
texts on nine two ninety two.

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
Good on you. Yep, Absolutely, what a great discussion right
coming up after three o'clock politicians using AIAI in government.
How do you feel about that? It's kicking off overseas.
We're going to tell you a little bit more about
that very shortly. New Sport and weather on its way.
You're listening to Matt and Tyler. Hope you having a
great afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
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Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
Your new homes are insightful and entertaining talk. It's Matty
and Taylor Adams Afternoons on News Talk Sebby.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
Very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the program.
Seven past three.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Before we put the previous topic to bed. But I
was trying to explain before this concept that the idea
of finding your dream job isn't necessarily helpful. Yeah, and
I didn't explain it very well. So there's a text
here that's come through that explains it pretty well.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
Okay for me. Cool.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
I agree with you, Matt, although you fail to explain
your idea very well. In fact, you sucked at it.
But that's okay haha, So I have given it a
go for you. The idea of a dream job can
be unhelpful because it creates an unrealistic expectation assumes there's
only one perfect fit and can lead to disappointment or
paralysis when reality doesn't match the ideal. In truth, interest evolves.

(01:19:02):
Success often comes from growing into roles and meaning in
life doesn't have to come solely from work. For some
finding a job that pays your way while finding meaning
and family and community and hobbies is a perfectly awesome life.
The truth is, we aren't all going to be special in,
celebrated and famous, but we might spend our lives being
very important to the people close to us. That probably

(01:19:23):
means more on your death bed than a lot of
these special dream career paths.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
Nicely said that there's a lot better than I explained it.
That is deep, But then it's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
That's exactly what I mean. Yeah, well done, But I
got out a bunch of garbled rubbish that confused everyone
and find out the text machine.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
But that is a fantastic place to leave that discussion,
and what a discussion it was.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
Hang a minute, we're not leaving it yet. We're waiting
for this text to come through. What was the name
of the hotel furnishing business? What's the name of the
organization that sells ex. Hotel furniture. I texted Alex waiting
for his reply.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
Yeah, and we just got off the phone. So Alex,
if you still listening, mate, you send that text through
because a lot of people are interested. He did say
he was going to send that text through AUSAP.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
I'm waiting.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
Come on, Alex, come on, come on, We'll give him
another call in the air brake, I think. But yeah,
it's sounded like a fantastic business and a lot of
people want to know Alex, so text it through, right,
This is going to be a good discussion. So AI
in government, there has been a bit of pushback of
some politicians using artificial intelligence to help with their jobs.

(01:20:25):
So one MP in the UK he has created an
AI bot of himself. The reason he's done.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
This because he's lazy.

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
Yeah, well he's farming out a bit of work. He
sets up this AI bot and people can ring it
or text it, or email it or even talk to
it twenty four hours a day and it can answer
basic questions in relation to his constituency. He then says
he picks up some of the more complex stuff, but
the AI bot is sitting there that if people want
to know what day rubbish day is if they've got

(01:20:53):
a problem with their mailman, then the AI bot can
give them a bit of information. The other politician who
got a bit of heat was none other than the
Swedish Prime minister. So he led it slip that he
uses chat GPT to run through a couple of policy
ideas to get a second opinion. And the people of
Sweden are not happy with that. They said, I quote,
we did not vote for chat GPT to be prime minister.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
Yeah, it's an interesting one because you know, do you
feel comfortable with politicians using AI? I mean if you
run it through chat gpt and it came up with
some things you hadn't thought of, as long as he
doesn't blanketly do exactly what chat GPT tells him to do.
Is there anything wrong with that? Is it?

Speaker 6 (01:21:37):
Is?

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
It? Is it worlds apart from googling and researching problems
with with this policy, right is it? And or is
that just handing power over to the robots? Because whether
it's whether it's you're doing exactly what it says or not,
you are in a way being influenced by the AI

(01:21:58):
because it's going through using the large language moral and
coming up with you know, things through previous experiences, whatever
the processes of the AI, I'm not sure I feel
about that. I mean, wouldn't it immediately texts come through
as in twenty twenty five, I'd be concerned if a
politician was such a luddite they weren't using AI.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
Yeah, I'd tend to lean more in favor of that text.
And if you think that politicians or people within government
aren't using AI to some extent in this country, you're
deluding yourself. Absolutely, it has been utilized in one extent
or the other.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
Yeah, I mean there will be a guarantee a story
in the next weeks or months where a New Zealand
politician is caught out or admits that they're using CHET,
GBT or GROC or whatever to you know, answer questions
from journalists or to you know, you know, pump up

(01:22:54):
their speeches or something.

Speaker 3 (01:22:55):
Yeah. Perhaps even and I'm not saying this is happening
in New Zealand, but perhaps similar to what this MP
in the UK is doing, that there is AI responding
to email questions from constituents.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
There's a possibility what's the name of that punished chatbot
from in New Zealand that's been a beefed up. Was
it Oscar?

Speaker 19 (01:23:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:23:12):
Well it was Oscar. Yeah, So it's effectively he's cremated
an Oscar.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
I don't want to talk to my politician and get
those kind of responses. You know, your average chatbot on
a site, You know, if you're looking at buying a
car and the chatbot comes up, it's generally speaking, not
very helpful for.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
A friendly little fellow. He certainly upset a lot of people,
including me. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. How much
usage of AI should be used in government and from politicians?
How would you feel about politicians accessing AI?

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Judith Collins says, admit that she uses it. There you go,
Why have I missed that story? Will look that up.

Speaker 3 (01:23:45):
So we might even try and get a hold of
Juith Collins to chat about her usage.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Of trying to get hold of Judith Collins, Oh, eight hundred,
or we'll get a Judith Collins chat bot on it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:53):
That would be great. I wait, one hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call?

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
So we've heard back from Alice Alex, Hey, Matt. The
way people can hook up into the service, this is
the furniture you know, abandoned hotel furnishing business. The best
way people can hock up into the service is by
sending me an email at a dot tuia that's a
dot t uia at extra, dot co, dot and z

(01:24:18):
with requests to go into our database. Everyone gets updates
about which hotels we are doing, inventory becoming available, prices
and protocols. This allows people to make an informed decision
if they have needs. Our responsibilities provide inclusive pricing so
people can buy according to their needs yet live within
their needs. There you go, love it?

Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
Yep, good man, Alex. So that's how you get ahold
of them? Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty. How would
you feel about talking to an AI bot that's cloned
as your local MP? Would you have any problem with that?
And should they be using it to get some second
opinions on policy?

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
Dave says, boys, my doctor uses chat GBT. Well, I
am sitting there. Only as she'll have is that I
don't get a discount for the bot doing all the work.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
That is great. It is thirty pas three on us
dog ZMB afternoon. It is sixteen pass three. We're talking
about aiuse and governments. A lot of politicians have been
at access in it and there's been some kickback overseas.
UKMP uses a clone AI bot to answer constituents questions
basic questions. In the Swedish PM he has got a
lot of heat for saying that he throws policies into

(01:25:19):
chech GPT. You see what it thinks.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
And the Honorable Judith Collins has come out in support
of AI as she says use of AI technologies to
improve public services as a priority for me, and this
guidance will enable its safe and responsible uptake. AI presents
a major opportunity to lift productivity and prove public service delivery,
but governments must ensure it is done right. So there's
some guidance on this. We need to get to the

(01:25:43):
bottom of exactly what the guidance is on that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
Yeah, so she calls it the Public Service AI Framework
and it's quite a big document, but we've just found
the five principles that they expect this AI framework to
abide by.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
Safe deployment of all forms of AI and public service
transparency and trustworthiness, and AI decision making accountability for outcomes
driven by AI systems, focus on value the pub better
outcomes and cost efficiency alignment with public expectations as a evolves.
It feels like I've read that and no more no
less than when I started reading it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:18):
It all sounds good, but it also sounds like a
bit of gobblygook. Get a rusty?

Speaker 11 (01:26:24):
Are you rusty today?

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
Very good? What's your take on AI in government?

Speaker 11 (01:26:30):
Well, I think that it's actually a really good thing.
I personally was a policy analyst in a government department
for four years and I was quite surprised when I
was there about how little original thought actually is coming
out of the public service. Like a lot of the
policies that are currently in circulation have been as on

(01:26:51):
multiple occasion. And the second thing that I think I
learned was that because our bureaucracy and news element is
based in Wellington, there's a bias in the public service
which which doesn't always suit the best interest in New Zealanders.

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
So the use of AI is it's increasingly being utilized
overseas and arguably, as you say, in New zealandier part
of that is to what get a secondary opinion or
a different viewpoint on a policy, to try and eliminate
bias where we can.

Speaker 11 (01:27:22):
Well, although I think it's actually a little bit, a
little bit back to first principles. Really is when a
politician proposes a policy, I think AI is going to
be able to help generate what the detail underneath that
policy is, which if you are asking a policy shop
like a government department to do takes a lot of

(01:27:43):
time and effort and a lot of cots. And I
think that the AI is going to be less by
us and provides you because it's got access to the
global policy workout where around all these papers of public
I think it'll do a better job of both enacting
what politicians want to happen, and secondly, the quality pasty

(01:28:03):
will be better because it's not relying on humans to
interpret and to add their own vices to it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
Yeah, but there is the AI illusion problem you're aware of.
They say it sometimes just creates absolute lies, and you.

Speaker 11 (01:28:19):
Can't you can't just do it. You can't clearly there
has to be humans sitting behind that looking at that
going does that make sense?

Speaker 4 (01:28:26):
And is that right?

Speaker 11 (01:28:27):
But but what I'm saying is in terms of the
count work that goes into policy, I think AI took
at a job and our policy.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
Shops, how would you feel like what's happened in Switzerland
where the Prime Minister has just hifted as policy into
chet GBT and asked it what do you think and
and and then has decided to deliberate further on what's
come out the other end of that.

Speaker 11 (01:28:54):
Well, I think that's actually a really good use of
the use of it all. Again, in the end, it
still has to be a human, human check and we
have to be conscious of of what of what the
unintended consequences might be. But in a general sense, I
think as the starting point court policy development, these talks
are going to be fantastic and they're going to reduce.

Speaker 12 (01:29:15):
The cost and.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
Oh, I think, yeah, we just lost you there for
a bit, rusty. Thank you very much though for your call.
Really appreciate it. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. How
do you feel about AI use and government? Should our
politicians be asking chech GPT for advice on policy? Love
to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
Hey, guys. It depends on the political parties involved. I'm
sure National Act in New Zealand First are using AI
wisely to improve working of the government. Labour Greens and
Tapatimari will be using it poorly.

Speaker 3 (01:29:45):
Okay, okay, right, thank you very much. Keep those techs
coming through. On nineteen ninety two.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
What a partisan response.

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
Very partisan. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
Love to hear from you, Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons
call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 4 (01:30:04):
On news Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:30:05):
Twenty three past three, we are talking about increasing use
of AI by politicians.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
When was the last time a politician came up with
a policy that made you go wow in a good way?
Says this text. Unfortunately, our so called leaders aren't really
the cream of humanity. Mostly they're competent middle class managers,
so they probably should be assessing all the assistance they
can get hold of. I'm not sure about Winston though,
to be honest regards Stephen.

Speaker 3 (01:30:32):
Yeah, I mean that is a fair point. Is if
artificial intelligence is at the point now where it can
give unbiased information and look, you mentioned the hallucination situation.
But if it gets to a point where it is
purely logical and it sees all the angles and it
leaves a motion at the door when we're talking about

(01:30:53):
government policy for the betterment of as many people as possible,
does it not make sense that AI gets brought into
that picture in some way.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
Yeah, I mean absolutely if it's lowing the administrative work.
I mean the question is creating policy really whether you
want it to be involved in creating policy when you
talk about those AI allusions. I watched this video the
other day and it was this British journalist who he
was using AI to make transcripts of his podcast right,
and he got the date slightly wrong into it entering it.

(01:31:22):
I'm not sure what happened, but the podcast listed all
the podcasts the AI chet GPT list all the podcasts
he'd done, and one of them was the one that
he hadn't done. It was in a future date, and
he asked the ch T about it and said, yes,
you have done it, and then to back that up,
it generated an entire podcast that he hadn't done because

(01:31:45):
it was from a future date. Yeah, and it was
actually pretty good podcast. But the guy was saying going
back to saying, no, you've made up this podcast. I
never did that podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
That is fascinating. Thanks for the idea, but it hasn't
happened yet.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
Yeah, it was a good podcast though it was just
from a future date. Love that Hey, guys. AI is
a great tool if you already know what you're doing.
For example, the doctor that was using AI mentioned before
probably used that in a fearing narrow fashion to find
out some specific quite different different to Joe public diagnosing
and treating illnesses.

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
Cheers Nick, Yeah, Mark, what's your thoughts about AI use
by politicians?

Speaker 21 (01:32:18):
No, I think it's a brilliant tool. But as far
as using it for for local government and the government department,
to be nice to get some form of intelligence in there,
wouldn't it?

Speaker 18 (01:32:32):
MH.

Speaker 21 (01:32:34):
The experience I had, I asked you a question. I
had an upcoming discussion, and I thought, what would happen
if we had cement to this product? What happens to
the properties of it? And Chechi you gave him deck response, sing,
you should should not do that. It'll make more brother,

(01:32:54):
it'll do this and this and this and this and
the cave some really really good reasons why not. And
then I asked it, how can I improve the properties
of this product? And it said add cement.

Speaker 7 (01:33:06):
Hello, yeah, yeah, And then that's the answers you're going
to get.

Speaker 21 (01:33:13):
It's not it's not doesn't have the human run a
sensible bit of thought through a process to excrete see
if it makes sense, and it just gives you answers
that you based probably cheating off other people's homework to
a large group by scaring the web for answers. But yeah,

(01:33:35):
I think it's dangerous.

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
Yeah, I mean all AI is doing is well to
make it really simple in the land large language models.
Is it's predicting what statistically is most likely to be
the next word or what do they call them node
or whatever, So they break it down so it is
all fed from the past. So you know, is it

(01:33:58):
actually being inventive or creative. It's hard to I'm not sure.
I mean, you know, you might get what is the
most likely policy to be employed from previous policies?

Speaker 21 (01:34:13):
Yeah, or the most commonly Yes, I can answer to
a question is what will give you whether they're question
is right or wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
Yes, I mean I definitely a deal struggles to deal
with sarcasm and humor.

Speaker 3 (01:34:28):
It just can't go, don't we all.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
Yeah, so you definitely can't trust it. But but if
you say the Swiss Prime minister and it's just asking
you questions that you might not have thought of. So
it's reading through and it's going these are the kind
of questions. So if you're going, what do you think,
you know, what are some problems with us? Then maybe

(01:34:52):
it's just asking generic questions that need to be asked
that he might not have might not have thought of.
And as long as he then answers those questions himself,
then isn't it surely just another tool to to you know,
to see what he actually really believes about it and
if there are any fishocks in the problem.

Speaker 21 (01:35:08):
Yeah. Well, I had a massive conversation with check GPT
the other day and I seeded it with the answers
that I wanted to go. If you've got to tell
me the truth, give the answer in one word, if
you know the answer, give me the correct answer. If
you don't know the answer, say I don't know, if

(01:35:34):
you can't tell me the answer, or I'm not allowed
to tell me the answer, to say another word. In fact, no,
I use words say Pluto or Mars or Venus for
Fluda for a correct yes, Mars for a known, Venus
for I can't tell you because sort of thing, And

(01:35:54):
it sees it couldn't tell me a lot of things.
Am I being watched? Yeah, as someone watching this conversation
and it gave me the I'm not allowed to tell
you answers, so tells me that that our conversation is
being monitored. Well, you're able to be seen if if

(01:36:15):
wanted to be seen.

Speaker 20 (01:36:16):
You know.

Speaker 21 (01:36:17):
So, if I'm a politician and I'm putting government policy, yeah,
potential government policy into check GVT or any other AI model,
how do you know that that information is private? And
basically this conversation confirmed me, in my biased opinion, that

(01:36:41):
that it's not private, and so it worries.

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
Me that will it would definitely be problem. I agree,
it's it's it's not It doesn't seem very secure, especially
since it's learning, you know that sort of does it
learns off what you pile into it. I think there's
some guide rails you can put around that, but you
certainly wouldn't want to have your plan for attack from
a military perspective.

Speaker 14 (01:37:07):
Chain.

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
Yeah, exactly. All right, thank you so much for your call.

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
Mark, Mark Ohight, hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
of call. How do you feel about government utilizing AI
and policy decision or general Edmund really can to get
your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
I'm looking here at the public service artificial Intelligence Framework
adopt so the vision adopt AI responsibility responsibly to modernize
public services and deliver better outcomes for all New Zealanders.
Then it goes principles inclusive sustainable development, human centered values,
transparency and explainability. It's a strange word, safety and security, accountability.

Speaker 3 (01:37:48):
That sounds all good. But can AI do all of
those things?

Speaker 2 (01:37:51):
YEP, I don't know, can it?

Speaker 19 (01:37:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
This is just yeah, I mean, this is a really
interesting document and it's very very complicated. I might just
put it through chet GPT. So can give me the basics?

Speaker 3 (01:38:01):
Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
We got headlines with Wendy coming up.

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Speaker 3 (01:39:25):
Now back to Matson Tyler, Thank you very much, Wendy,
and we are talking about AI use in a government
and by politicians. The Swiss Prime Minister has come under
some heat for using chet GPT to run some policy
ideas through to see what it thinks. And there's an
MP in the UK that is using a clone AI
bot to answer questions of its constituents. Of his constituents,

(01:39:46):
I should say yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
And the government is keen to employ artificial intelligence more
and more in the public service. And there's no doubt
that politicians will be shoving things through chat, GPT and
GROC in New Zealand right now.

Speaker 3 (01:40:01):
Absolutely, And how do you feel about that? At eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
To call Colleen your thoughts.

Speaker 16 (01:40:09):
Hello, have you ever interacted with an AI phone system?

Speaker 3 (01:40:15):
I think I may have, but yeah, I'm not sure.
Tell us more.

Speaker 16 (01:40:21):
I had an insurance claim for a broken wind screen
and I dealt with the AI phone system. Drove me absolutely.
It was so repetitive and so time consuming and so laborious.
I kept having to give it the same information, and

(01:40:41):
when I got to the end and answered the questions,
it put me through to a person who went through
them all again exactly exactly. I literally I timed it
and it took eleven minutes for me to get through
the AI part of it. And then I hit this lady,
and I had to answer them all again, and I'm like,

(01:41:02):
I actually said to her, why why are you torturing me?

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
Honestly, that happens a lot, and I've been through this
quite quite a lot now, So all those details blah
blah blah blah, and then they go through and it's
like it's all started again. And I wonder if it's
just to give you something to do to feel like
you're progressing while you're waiting in line, because if they
don't have it, I'd rather.

Speaker 16 (01:41:26):
Listen to music, pipe music. And I'm thinking with it
with it being used in government. AI learns by doing right.
It learns from the experience of the process of whatever
you put through it. So what if you who are
we going to learn? Whose version of AI are we
going to take the American right wing? Are we going

(01:41:49):
to take the Scandinavian very liberal you know who? Whose
policies are we going to homogenize to get ours or
are we just going to let people do it and
end up with things that are uniquely ours.

Speaker 2 (01:42:02):
Yeah, and that's the whole thing about AI. As it's
coming up with its results, they have programmers putting in
restrictions in guardrails around it to change the answers if
they don't like the answers that they're getting. So in
the end it becomes human biases get put in there anyway,
and it's and it has the biases of what it's

(01:42:22):
trained on as well. Exactly was talking the other day,
he's so his his AI that he's in charge of GROC.
I mean, he started open AI, which is chet GPT
as well, but then he left that company and he's
running GROC and he he in his words, he can't believe.
He's very frustrated with how woke grockets compared to what

(01:42:43):
he wants it to be.

Speaker 16 (01:42:45):
Yes, I know, and you know they when they started
developing them, I have I have an X feeling about
the ethics of it because part of the development of
the programs was they actually resulted in some of the
programs becoming so confused and frustrated that they self terminated.

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
Is that right?

Speaker 16 (01:43:05):
I just think, oh no, no, no, no, sorry, Fatassic.
It's the poor thing to suicide.

Speaker 2 (01:43:11):
You know, if you cool calling very good. It would
be interesting if if that was the that was the
end goal of all. You know, one day chet GPT's
like I can't handle this too frustrating.

Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
You guys are absolutely insane. I can't deal with this.

Speaker 2 (01:43:25):
Just shuts down. Someone says, some was this text here
It was saying yeah beer. This one says, come on, guys,
have we learned nothing from terminator? Yeah? But yes, so
they're saying there are many there are so many AI offerings.
So government won't be using chet GPT, they will use
a paid private vision. Yes, but that Swiss prime minister

(01:43:46):
was using chet GPT.

Speaker 3 (01:43:47):
He loved it. Yeah, absolutely, So.

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
You would think there would be some kind of high
level advance, locked down governmental AI system that they were using.

Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
Yeah, not for the Swiss.

Speaker 2 (01:43:58):
But this Swiss poments he just have to through the
same chat GPT that we're all using here at home.

Speaker 3 (01:44:04):
Yeah. It is twenty one to four oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. What
do you think about politicians using AI?

Speaker 1 (01:44:11):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
That'd be very good.

Speaker 3 (01:44:19):
Afternoon dude, is eighteen to four and we are talking
about AI used by politicians.

Speaker 2 (01:44:25):
This Texasy is that lady on mortgage AI was not
talking to proper AI, just telephone systems. Yeah. I mean
there's a lot of things that we say AI but
aren't necessarily and when you're talking to a phone system,
it's often just you know, quite simple pathways. You say something,
it produces something else that pushes you to something else.

Speaker 3 (01:44:47):
Voice recognition rather than proper AI.

Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
Yeah, it's not a large language model, so it doesn't
actually have very many variables that it can go to. Ye,
you know, you're on the phone, it asks you this
question and then records that information and then from that
ask another question there. It's definitely AI voiced recognition. Yeah,
out there, and that's why one of the reasons why
voice recognition software is getting so incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:45:08):
Be good now absolutely, Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighties a number to call, so welcome the show.

Speaker 22 (01:45:14):
Oh gooday guys, Yeah that was me. That's in that
text about the mortgage.

Speaker 14 (01:45:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:45:22):
Look, I spend a lot of time in the space
well unfortunately but actually quite enjoy it. AIS and texts
and to come a long way as we all know.
And voice agents which that lady was talking to are
absolutely incredible. But it's all down to that the builder
of the AI technology. You can have a bad experience,
so we can have a good experience. And if you're

(01:45:45):
building the right knowledge around the AI, then you can
have the best dancewers, probably better than you can get
from a real person on the telephone, because it has
all the data available at hand, or you can go
and get the data for you. That's somebody on the
phone can't get I get this all the time. You're trying,
you know, a large dealership trying to get some parts,

(01:46:06):
and you're on hold on weight, and all you want
to know is that something is available or not available.
And yeah, there are absolute replacement for many many telephone
systems at least. And yeah, if you give the right
context to a learning language model, you give it your
own training, your own data, it can be absolutely amazing

(01:46:28):
what you can get from an l l M. So
it's all about the training and the building of the technology.
And there are good and bad and it's I've seen
bad implementations of AI, and I've seen excellent invitations of AI.
And the mortgage one experience wasn't really an AI that
that would just be some voice systems trying to gather

(01:46:49):
you know, gather data. That's a bad experience.

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
Yeah, it's interesting that you talk about invantry because I've run,
you know, as a warehouse manager and ran inventory systems
for a while. And so if you if you're if
you're ringing through and you're asking if you have a product,
it's only the system only knows what's been plugged into
the sea stem, right, so you know, everyone knows it's
running inventory. It says there's definitely one in the store,

(01:47:14):
and then you go out into the store and it's
not there. For whatever someone's nick it's been knocked off
the shelf. It's you know, who knows a million reasons
why it's disappeared. So there is a bit where you
need to go to the other level of a person
that just goes and comes back and goes, oh, no,
we don't have it. I mean, you know, it's been
another times when I've been sent to stores so I

(01:47:35):
want to buy a product, they go, we don't have
it here, but we've got the version out at Sylvia
Park and you drive out there and you get there
and they go, oh, it says we've got one on
the system, but we don't.

Speaker 22 (01:47:45):
Yeah, that's that's not AI. That's just support that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:50):
What I'm saying is the AI can only deal with
the information that's plugged in. So if you've got an
inventory system, if it's being told that it has that
in stock, that's only data. It's not necessarily directly related
to reality. If you see what I'm saying for Yeah, no.

Speaker 22 (01:48:05):
I absolutely agree. But the AI could ask other questions,
could say, would you like it delivered? What's your address?
You know we don't have we have one in store,
it may not be in store. Would you prefer to
have it delivered to you? Would you like us to
send you an email over which store it actually is at?
So you can do a lot more than just you know,

(01:48:25):
talking to an operator. Just as you said, we've all
been there. I've got one install book. Something can fined
it because you didn't do a good stock take.

Speaker 3 (01:48:32):
Yeah. So what would you feel about this idea of
the MP who's cloned themselves so it's an AI bot.
People can contact this bot whenever they want and it
gives them answers to basic information. Would you be okay
with that? If a politician in New Zealand did that,
and you want to know when your rubbish bins go
out or you've got a pothole, then the AI bot
might be able to give you as much information as

(01:48:53):
it can that's on the council website.

Speaker 22 (01:48:54):
Right, absolutely, one hundred percent. I think it's great because
it removes all the all the emotion out of it.
It's just standing with facts. Right. So if you're give
an AI accessed by an API, which is the way
just to get data from very sources, and that sources
of data are reliable, then the AI had everything in
its hands to talk to rather than you know, talking

(01:49:16):
to someone and operator, let me just go and find
out for you or they look it up on Google
or do something. Another thing, I think about the politics,
the political side of AI. I think this is where
it's going. We're going to see some huge change because
there's a lot of identity politics going on. It's not
necessarily about you know, let's say the quality of a
policy or whether that MP has ever delivered anything in

(01:49:38):
the past. They're going to do this, but we don't
know if they ever have technology. AI is going to say, well,
this MP says he's going to do you know whatever,
that delivered these things, but it's actually he's never delivered
anything in his life where you know, so it takes
all the identity politics. That will take identity politics out
of the equation. That's just deal with what have people

(01:49:58):
actually done the past, what are their what KPIs have
they delivered in and what the what's their policy?

Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
Ye you assume that this chat by they've they've loaded
in all this politician's policy and then you're just asking
what the policy is. So that's that is dependent on
them putting the pop policy across enough thing. So for example, example,
right now, the Labor Party doesn't have a lot of policy.

(01:50:24):
They're holding off to the election to try and release
it and they don't want to get in trouble in
due time or whatever you know as a policy to
try and get elected. Right, So if you if the
Labor Party chat bot wouldn't be very helpful, would it
because they don't have any policy yet?

Speaker 22 (01:50:40):
No? No, But then but then again you see that
comes down to the prompting. So you know, the way
you build the personality, like the guardrails, i'd say what
the AI can and can't say that you can't make
up things if you know, AIS can't hallucinate. But the
way I describe leaving an English models to people is
just imagine a blank canvas and then you feed it.

Speaker 7 (01:51:02):
Let's say I.

Speaker 22 (01:51:03):
Don't know a BMW car manual on a five series something.
That's all it knows. Well, know that inside and out
and back to front, so you can ask it, you know, questions.
It won't know anything about you know, greenhouse greenhouse, greenhouse
gases or anything. It'll only know the information that's given.
So then if you're feeding it with policies, like you know,

(01:51:23):
good policy documents and then you know legislation except around it,
it'll talk precisely around that and accurately around it rather
than make things up. And you know, it's not a
person you're talking to with emotions which people can be
cited to. I like to look at her, and I
like to look at her. I like to stand with
that voice, you know, So it comes down to facts

(01:51:46):
rather than just you know the person.

Speaker 3 (01:51:49):
But then the other side of the coin was the
Swiss Prime Minister using chet GPT to get some second
second opinions. But the problem with that is, arguably it
is excessing if you ask it for pros and cons
of a particular policy he's thinking about. Arguably it is
colating other people's opinions that have written about that particular policy.
So he might see that as a corner or a

(01:52:09):
pro because that argued against that it's going to work.
But that is still human opinion, isn't it that chet
GPT has collated that is it is.

Speaker 22 (01:52:18):
But what i'd look at that we don't know if
he actually copied it the baits out of whatever it's said.
Sometimes you can use these our lambs to do what
I call scaffolding, to give you ideas and to make
you think I actually hadn't thought about that out of
that actually my thinking. So it might not be a
literal context like you know, copy and paste out of it,
but it might actually hadn't thought about that. It's a

(01:52:41):
good idea. Maybe I'll know, twist it. So it provides,
you know, thought provoking ideas that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:46):
You can't would say, what, what are some potential problems
here that could happen and similar things you know, and policies,
I mean, how widely different are policies from other policies
that have been employed somewhere in the world. So you
could just say to it, let's look at potential holes,
potential unforeseen circumstance, because you know, so one of the
main things that happens with laws when they go into

(01:53:07):
there's a whole unforeseen things that happen are unforeseen results.
What's the word I'm looking for there? And so if
you're just going through you this has all been written up,
it's pages and pages. I'm trying to get my head
around it loaded in there? Can you can you see
any problems? And then as long as you run it
through a flesh brain afterwards and you're actually what you
decide to do in the end, you know, as you say,

(01:53:29):
it's not putting it in there and whatever comes out
the other end you immediately put to the people and
try and put into law. That would be a problem.
But if you if you look at it and it
can come up with some potential problems that you might
have missed, ask some questions, some probing questions, then bloody
great that makes sense.

Speaker 22 (01:53:47):
Yeah, I'll tell you something else that AI and coding
and technology you know, software developers have created, you know,
Roger the ome back anyhow, because that's where AI is
really good. Because coding is literal, it's either that or
it's not. It's sort of binary where common language. It's
like it's there are variations of it. We're seeing software

(01:54:10):
now because we're actually just using AI to write our
code for as anymore. You know, software developers are sort
of going to become a dying breed. It's good to
have the knowledge still, and you know when you've when
things really fall over to have a developer. But AI
is building so much in the software now, quite scary
seed developments on a daily basis which are worrying.

Speaker 2 (01:54:33):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for you call.

Speaker 3 (01:54:35):
Phil, appreciate it, Thank you very much. It is eight
to four BAG very shortly here on News Talks EDB the.

Speaker 1 (01:54:41):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
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Speaker 3 (01:54:51):
Five to four.

Speaker 2 (01:54:52):
I'll tell you what I don't have time to read
it out here, but search this up for yourself. The
Public Service Artificial Intelligence Framework. It's an interesting graft that
you can find online. I think a lot of national
voters might be quite surprised at some of the things
that they're have put in there. Yeah, pretty progressive for
their guidance. Yeah, on the use of AI and public services, Yeah,

(01:55:15):
look that up the Public Service Artificial Intelligence Framework and
download the graph.

Speaker 3 (01:55:20):
Yeah, it's interesting stuff. That's my reading tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
Yeah. Oh it's very, very, very entertaining. Thanks so much
for listening to the show. Everyone, Thanks so much for
your calls and text. We've had a great time. The
full show podcast will be up in about an hour.
See if you missed that chat that we've just had
over the last hour on the use of AI by governments,
then then look that up and re listen to it.

(01:55:44):
This piece there is so much misinformation. You do realize
you can use AI offline? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:55:48):
Absolutely, yeah, absolutely? And what else?

Speaker 2 (01:55:52):
The Paul Holmes broadcasts for the Heather bo pc Ellen's
up next. But Tyler, why am I playing this song
by Journey right now?

Speaker 3 (01:55:57):
What a tune? Don't stop believing because we had that
great chat for a couple of hours about people getting
success later in life. Don't stop believing? Baby, What a tune?
What tune? What is all right?

Speaker 2 (01:56:09):
As I said, thanks for listening. We'll be back tomorrow
for more Matintile afternoons. Until then, give them a taste
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