Full Show Podcast: 08 July 2025

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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you Goring New Zealand. As welb to Matt and Tyler.
Full Show Podcast number one five six for the eighth
of July twenty twenty five. It's a Tuesday. Had a
fantastic show, threaded the needle on a complex chat around
just to a Durna which you should come back for
the Royal inquiry into the COVID nineteen response with some
great calls on that. We also, boy, oh boy, we

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found out something shocking and terrifying about the Kadrona hotel.
You certainly did in Kadrona, yeah obviously, Yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
That was a hell of a story that one. And
also we talked about the the mushroom cock verdict and
you had a hell of a theory fifty I've come up.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
With a theory. I think halfway through the show I
solved the whole motive of the mushroom lady.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
It's absolute insenate toy. I mean you have to listen
to it and it will blow your mind how crazy
it is.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Well, so crazy, it's brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Maybe Yeah, it's going to be a hell of a
Netflix series. But good show. Unload, subscribe, give us a review,
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Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
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Speaker 3 (01:24):
Very very good Afternoons You welcome into Tuesday show. Yet
a Mattay.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
He forgot to do it, my mic on. We're six
months into the job. Yeah, one day back from Donner's
and we're all already forgotten with Mike's been on holiday.
Forgot how to press that one button I have to press. Shameful.
What I was going to say, Tyler, it's so fantastic
to be back here in Auckland with you and looking
into your beautiful brown eyes.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
You're nice to see you as well. Mane, you're looking good.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Thank you my beautiful green eyes. Yeah green eyes, yeah, yeah,
beautiful mate. Anyway, we've gone off topic here. What I
was going to say was I've got the ultimate saying. Yep,
the ultimate saying. If you're trying to lose weight, becau
I'm running a marathon. At the end of the year
you are, and I don't want to carry an extra
ten kg around the whole forty two k right.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Makes sense.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
So I'm on the big cut. Okay, I'm on the
cut for running the marathon.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Rut your man shake right there?

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yep, yep. So someone told me this when I wasn't dneeded.
You're not hungry, you're thirsty. You're not hungry, you're thirsty.
See that's the thing, your mind, your brain doesn't know
the difference between hungry and thirsty. So often we eat
just because we need, but when we actually need a
glass of water. Right, And I've been on the record
before saying I find water too boring to drink. So

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I found these little droplets, these little flavor droplets that
you get at the souper market. You just squired a
couple of drops of flavor in there and drink a
glass of water. So you're not hungry, you're thirsty. So
before you go and shove the thirteenth cheese roll in
your face like I was doing down in Dneed and
just try that, maybe try a glass of water and
don't if you think water's too boring, just a couple

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of these little droplets. I should find the brand of them.
They're really good. There must be nuclear nuclear strength flavor
because you only need a few drops in there.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
You know.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
That really annoys me because I thought what was going
to come out of your mouth was absolute bollocks, and
I was getting ready to ridicle you acally makes it
that that's a good saying. Actually that the Mormons do
that when they because they live a long time, the Mormons,
and they make sure they drink plenty of water and
then they don't have to have so much food.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah right, okay, So I think the ones that I've
been having are these ones the water drops from. I
think these ones are front. They're called sweet leaf or
something sweet leaf from.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
I heard if you're listening sweet leaf, we wouldn't mind
just you know, a couple of samplers. Yeah yeah, yeah,
I have nothing too.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
But anyway, just just try this. People, if you're about
to eat and you're trying to lose weight for whatever reason.
If you're like me, it's because you're running a marathon,
just go yeah, not hungry, you're thirsty. Just keep reminding
yourself there.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
So you're on the man shakes, you're on the water.
Have you seen real food in the past six months. Yeah. Oh,
the cheese rolls and the button pies.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
As I said about two days ago, I was I
was dipping cheese rolls into a into a seafood chowder.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Make it up for lost time. Right to today's show.
It as a doozy. After three o'clock, the sale of
a one hundred and sixty two year old Kadrona hotel
near Wanaka could see set this year's record New Zealand's
most viewed for sale property. Gavin Lloyd he is the
sales director of the listing, and he says this look
set to make a record this year after just a

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few days on site. So since being listed last Thursday,
the listing has nearly twenty one thousand views. And I
got to say, Matt, we're gonna have a chat to
the owner of the Kadrona Hotel Caid. He's a good man.
Just got off the phone with him. He said it
was up to twenty eight thousand now.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Wow, So it's everyone knows that it's possibly the most
iconic pub in New Zealand, one hundred and sixty two
years old. As you said, as soon as that came
on the market, I texted my lovely partner and said,
this looks so cool. We could just move down there.
We could become publicans. We could be pillars of that
small community in the Codrona Valley. This beautiful life, meeting
people from all around the world as we serve them

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drinks and delicious pub Nacho's.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yep, I'd watch that TV show.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
It's a very romantic idea, and I think a lot
of people have this idea and a lot of people
looking at the end of the twenty eight thousand people
are imagining that simpler life. But is it a simpler life,
because maybe maybe there's some things we should look out
for before we just pack up our life here and
start running a rural pub.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeap, if you've been through something similar, we'd love to
hear from you on that. After three o'clock, after two o'clock,
after seven weeks of evidence, six days of summing up,
in six and a half days of jury deliberation, the
verdict was finally delivered in the Mushroom Cook Trail yesterday.
Many many people around the world were waiting for it,
and of course, Aaron Patterson was found to have murdered
her a strange husband's parents done in Gail Patterson along

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with gale sister Heather Wilkinson. But what did you think
of that verdict? And I've got to say, honesty, call here.
I was shocked that they found her guilty. I thought
she was guilty.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, but I.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Thought that long sitting there going through the evidence for
a week and a bit, are gonna find her not guilty?

Speaker 4 (05:52):
He y?

Speaker 2 (05:53):
And in that time, yeah, you wondered whether because it's
actually quite hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt that someone
who's making a beef Wellington has the purpose of killing
people with that beef Wellington. So yeah, just what do
you think of the what do you think of the verdict?
We one hundred and eighty ten eight. I was sitting
at a long table full of a whole lot of
relatives and friends in Dunedin a couple of days ago,

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and everyone at the table was talking about it all
walks of life. So everyone had an opinion. So I
thought we'd open it up to the callers. What do
you think of the result in the mushroom murder.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yes, there's going to be a great chat after two o'clock,
but right now, let's have a chat about this. So
as we know the second second phase of the COVID
nineteen inquiry has begun. Many voices so far from business,
tourism and events. They're vented frustration over the COVID response.
The Royal Commission of Inquiry will run until Thursday, but
many are still asking the question if former Prime Minister

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Cindra Adurn will be called up to weigh in. It
has been reported that the Royal Commission of an Inquiry
has requested that she does appear or give information and evidence.
She can't be compelled to return if she is overseas,
but should she morally come back to front the inquiry?

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yees so one undred and eighty ten eighty. If the
aim of the Royal Commission is to strengthen our readiness
for future pandemic, which it states to be, surely she
would like to help. So, you know, if the government
got absolutely everything right, then she could highlight that this
is the playbook for future pandemics, what we did in order,
this is the playbook. If there were some mistakes, and

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there always are some mistakes, she could surely offer insights
into how those mistakes were made and what she thinks
could be done in future. Because she's in a very
rare position of a person that we had almost military light.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
You know what, do you call it? A state of
emergency type powers oversight on pretty much everything?

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah, yeah, or it is the whole thing just to
beat up as as has been suggested by some that
you know, that's just a platform for conspiracy theorists and
it's a witch hunt.

Speaker 5 (07:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Chris Hipkins, the leader of the Opposition for Labor,
of course, was in with Kerrie Woodham this morning and
here's a little bit of what he said when it
came to just cinder to do in returning for this inquiry.

Speaker 6 (08:06):
I'm being cautious not too to venture a comment on that.
And it's not because I'm trying to avoid it. It's
because a Royal Commission needs to operate independently and I
don't think me or David Seymour should be telling them
who they should and shouldn't be calling to appear before them.

Speaker 7 (08:20):
But isn't it the moral thing to do, like if
it defines your government. The only reason you got back in.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Was because of the COVID response.

Speaker 6 (08:28):
And as I said, I'm not telling the Royal Commission
whoy should and shouldn't call, or how they should conduct
their hearings. And I don't think the government should be
doing that either.

Speaker 7 (08:35):
But do you think that it would make sense for
the person who was making the decisions based on the
best advice that she was receiving to be here to
answer questions around the results.

Speaker 6 (08:45):
Well, I'm not trying to dodge it because I'm trying
to be cute. I just don't think it's appropriate for
me to tell the Royal Commission or Jinder Idurn how
they should be approaching it. I think those are questions
for them, not for me.

Speaker 7 (08:57):
Do you think that there are concerns for Justinder A
Dune's safety coming back here?

Speaker 6 (09:02):
I mean, I know, having spoken Toesinda on a number
of occasions, I think there are a small group of
peop people who do threaten her safety and we should
be upfront about that. And they're not They're not idle threats.
These are serious threats to her safety and that of
her family. And these are not very nice people who
are making those kind of threats.

Speaker 7 (09:22):
Will you be attending in person.

Speaker 6 (09:25):
At the moment the Royal Commission have sort of changed
their mind A couple of times on what they want.
So we're still talking to them about what it is
that they want from us, so that that conversation is
still happening. No, but if they ask you, I've said
that I'll cooperate with the Royal Commission.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Right, Yeah, that's interesting, he says, you do want to
be cute? He's kind of cute. There wasn't I saw
him out there? Is a kind of a cute little guy.
Isn't the old chippy Some people say that, yeah, it's
just a little Yeah, she definitely looks a lot younger
than he is, but that's by by the bye. That
one about safety is an interesting one, I would say,
I think that's absolutely no reason if you if you

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believe it's the right thing to do, then there's people
that have risked their safety and a lot in a
lot more direct ways to do the right thing for
their country than coming with every security to talk at
a at a commission. And while she's overseas, she can't
be compelled to do it. But you know, surely they
would accept a zoom conversation.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Absolutely, So eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. What do you think should the former
Prime minister, just Sindra Adourn come back to front this
inquiry and give the information that she does have over
that period. Love to hear your thoughts on this.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, and I was saying before, let's play the ball,
not the man, which doesn't quite work because we're not
talking about a man here.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Good point or a ball.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
It's a meta thought. But anyway, so I guess I
would hope we could focus on the argument and not
the person. Address the issue, not the individual, critique ideas,
not identities. Do you like this? Engage with the substance,
not the speaker. Very good, challenge the message not the messenger.
It's a lot of alliteration. Yeah, thank you you on that.
But this person is kicked back already on that saying
but it's all about the person because she made everything personal,

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she used shame to control, and she set identity groups
against each other.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
See.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
But I would say that person's making an argument there,
so that I would consider that text message there is
as playing the ball, not the man exactly.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Yeah, what I gather from that text message is she
should actually absolutely come back. So can you get your views? Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah, should just into a Deurn morally? Should she be
coming to speak to the Royal Commission on the inquiry
into the COVID nineteen.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yep, let's get into it. It is seventeen past one.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
That'd be very good afternoon. She It is twenty past
one and we are talking about the second phase of
the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the COVID nineteen response.
And the big question is will be former Prime Minister
Justinda A. Durn appear to give evidence or give information
what she knew during that period, and she knew a
lot being the Prime minister. Oh eight, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call this.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Text of beliefs that we shouldn't even be talking about
this issue at all.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Oh, okay, you guys shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
It's funny just the spoiler starts with you guys shouldn't
be talking about this.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
This inquiry is a witch hunt.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Why ask questions about our response when the world has
already decided it was the best response in the world.
You two should be thanking Jacinda that you and your
loved ones are alive. Without her, you probably wouldn't be.
Probably that's a big goal. No, she shouldn't appear and
you should stop talking about it, and you should be
working to stop the inquiry.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
Wah, working to stop the inquiry. I don't know do
we have that power. I don't think we have that power.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
We don't have anywhere near that. Actually, it's quite a
compliment you think we've got the power that we could
Tyler and I could work to stop Aurora real inquiry.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
Plenty of great teas coming through this one, says Hi.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
There.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Absolutely Adurn should be compelled to front up to the
COVID inquiry. Well, I think they can't compel her if
she's out of the country.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
She fled to New Zealand after stepping down his PEM,
knowing that she had lost the confidence of the people.
If she doesn't turn up, it will confirm what many
people think. Cheers Tony. Yeah, I thought it was interesting
what Ryan Bridge said in an article in The Herald.
He said she's making money off books and all sorts,
while many businesses here never recovered from the lockdowns. I mean,

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if we're talking about a moral obligation, so rightly or wrongly,
the decisions she made have led to hardship for some businesses.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Absolutely, And you could argue, argue back and forth on this,
but surely she wants to She have given the opportunity
to come forward and argue that the decisions she made,
whilst hard on the businesses, were ultimately the best possible
outcome for the country.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yeah. I wonder if part of the feeling out there,
Matt is maybe if you're a business owner, love to
hear from you on this that we are five and
a bit years down the track now and I've gone
through Absolute Hall and back a lot of those people
who ran businesses and not just business owners, a lot
of people and when we start talking about the former
prime minister and we know you know how so a
good chunk of the population feels about that period. Now,

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the idea of her coming back to give evidence there,
I think there'd be a feeling out there that a
lot of people just don't want to hear from her anymore.
They are done with that period. Hopefully things is a
bit of light at the end of the tunnel. Hopefully
for people that have been to Helen back in those instances,
and they might be looking at this and saying, you
know what, I don't care if she comes back. I
don't care if she goes overseas. I just want to

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be done with this thing, rather than the idea that
she has information that could help us. God forbid if
we face something like this again.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Well yeah, I mean, do you think that there's a
chance there'll be another pandemic at something?

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Absolutely so.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
If the Commission's core purpose is to strengthen our readiness
for future pandemics by learning from our responses to this
COVID nineteen, then whether people don't want to hear from
or not, you wouldn't need to check into the Royal
Inquirer if you don't want to hear from her. But
it seems to me that the Royal Inquiry would have
questions for her, And if she wants to strengthen our

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response and future, then she'd be a pretty good person
in my opinion, to come and give you know, her
rationale for the decisions that she and her government made.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
Absolutely oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
a number of call, plenty of texts coming through on
nine two ninety two. Is well, is this a which
hunt or should our former Prime Minister Jacindra a Dune
come back to provide evidence to the Royal Commission of Inquiry.
It is twenty three past one. Back very surely.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Ooh okay, I may or may not read that text out.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
That's a dooozy.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 8 (15:43):
The government has made significant changes to the flag should
Family Boosts program. Kathy Wolf is the chief executive of
Early Childhood New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
This change is going to make a difference.

Speaker 9 (15:50):
So did they make it to another too more families?

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Not a hell of a lot, though not a lot.

Speaker 8 (15:55):
You don't think the sixteen thousand families predicted.

Speaker 9 (15:57):
No, I still think there's still too many barriers in
terms of access to THEIRS rebate.

Speaker 8 (16:01):
This is in terms of the people collecting the invoices
for three months and then filing it after the fact.

Speaker 9 (16:05):
Yeah, and also the fact that many of these families
you've really need it still have to pay the fees
of front So for us, the better way to do
something like this is to really put it in the
hands of providers to help families afford the seeds.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Either duplicy Ellen on the mic asking breakfast back tomorrow
at six am with a Vida retirement Communities on news
Tom's dead.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
B twenty six pass one. Should our former Prime Minister
just sender Adourn come back to front the Royal Commission
of Inquiry eight hundred and eighty ten eighty so number
to call this?

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Texas says Labour's response to covid I was the best
way initially, but they lost their way and turned a
positive into an enormous negative to all of New Zealand.
Well yeah, I mean if that's the case, then the
Royal Inquiry asking the ex Prime Minister or the Prime
Minister at the time questions about the initial response and
when it went off, when when the wheels came off,

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would be surely interesting to fortify us for future problems.
You know.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Maybe they can work that out without talking to him.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
Maybe, but you've got to say something like the Royal
Commission of Inquiry to independent. These are very prominent and
renowned people that are fronting that. This is you know,
this is not some sort of kangaroo court. They are
there to garner information to make sure we're prepared for
next time. So nobody, in my eyes, should really be
scared of fronting something like that that is an information
gathering exercise, and anyone that that doesn't want to present evidence,

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I'd love to hear with it. Why they've got a
reason not to do that. It'd have to be I
can't think of a compelling reason not to do that.
If you've got information that could help us next time,
why wouldn't you.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yeah, And I think the safety part of it is ridiculous.
I think as a country, we could can we could,
we could get together and protect you know, the diplomatic
services could look after whatever they're called.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yeah, one hundred percent, absolutely, Graham, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 10 (17:53):
Oh, good after and gentlemen. Yeah, I think ex prime
ministers that get a minuity of ten thousand, nine hundred
dollars a year and also free air travel for the
rest of their lives should be responsible soon. It's a
tax mayer's money they're using or taking or receiving, and

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I think they've got an application to come back and
discuss something that should be discussed.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
What what is the travel allowance? I'm just sort of
looking it up. Is it all their travel or just
some of their travel.

Speaker 10 (18:29):
It just says all their fairs, their all their travel.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
It is a nice package for former prime ministers, no
doubt about that, Graham. And I think you've got a
fair point there while you're still on the taxpayer teat
so to speak. Yeah, that is another compelling.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
And if she came back to New Zealand's then obviously
security would be provided as well.

Speaker 10 (18:51):
Yeah, yes, like it is ministerial plicing whatever they call
it is.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
I wonder if she would go and I'm massively speculating
here because she's worth a lot of money now should go? Actually,
I'll give up that newity. It means I'm obligated to
go back.

Speaker 10 (19:08):
I'd like to see her do that.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
What about Morley Graham? So outside say she didn't get
this travel. You know that they get the travel paid
for by the government.

Speaker 10 (19:16):
And well, she came from the what do they call it,
the something truth.

Speaker 11 (19:23):
And she used a single truth, that's it.

Speaker 10 (19:27):
And she used to come out and say we should
do this, we should do that. Now we're saying that
she should do that, and that is come back and
tell us what she thought should have been done or
shouldn't have been done.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Well, there's no way, even if she is very happy
and proud of her response, there's absolutely no way that
there weren't mistakes and weren't things that could have been
done better. I mean, we've never you go.

Speaker 10 (19:54):
So we've never had an apology. We've never had an
apology about all the people that weren't allowed back, all
the residents and New Zealanders that weren't allowed back in
the untry. They had to go into a rattle. And
then there was all the people that had a family
that died and they couldn't see them. It was torture
looking through a window at a rest home with their

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loved ones in bed dying there, and they couldn't even
say goodbye to them all go and touch them or
hold their hand. I'm sure you know there should be
an apology for that.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Thank you so much for your call, Graham. That was
an interesting one. Always for me. I believe that there
should be some absolutely carved in stones things that New
Zealand citizens get, and one of them that is, if
you've got a passport, you have to be able to
get back into this country. You have to be allowed
back into the country. If you've got a passport, exactly.
You can't be a loss if you've got a solution

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to a problem that involves not allowing people back into
the country who have a New Zealand passport, then I
don't think you've got a solution to the problem.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Yeah, yeah, nicely said I can't disagree with that. O
one hundred eighty eight ten eighty is the number to call.
And I'll just mention to Ian Taylor, of all people,
he spoke to Ryan Bridge last night and he did
agree that our former Prime Minister Disner Adune should appear.
And Sir Ian Taylor, I think he's been known to
be on a certain side of the political realm and

(21:16):
very interesting to hear his thoughts. But he was why
he tried to play a part in the early days
of COVID nineteen with ideas on how people could have
a bit more freedom of movement. So clearly there are
a lot of people across the political aisle who think
it is a good idea for not just our Prime minister,
but a lot of people involved to come back to
give evidence.

Speaker 5 (21:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Ann Taylor said that the bee kind and team of
five million messages rang hollow as the pandemic progressed as
a quote from him. Let them do their inquiry by zoom.
Call says this text the safest option for Jacinda and
her family because there are far too many loonies here
in New Zealand who hate her. An apology from Jacinda
is not going to fix anything.

Speaker 12 (21:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
I always think it's interesting with apologies. What do apologies do?

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah? Yeah, oh yeah, I'm just I'll mull that over.
Whether an apology would fix anything? Maybe not. Would it
give anybody gratification? Probably not?

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, Actually, I mean I'm always apologizing in my private lives.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Yeah, here's a word sent to It is twenty eight
to two. Back very shortly here on New Storks 'db.

Speaker 13 (22:17):
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no trouble with a Blue bubble Labor leader Chris Hipkins
says he'll only go into government with Tapati Mahdi or
the Greens if they agree on key policies. He says
Label will never support to party Mardi's desire for a
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Speaker 3 (23:35):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, And we are talking about
our former Prime Minister Dame Jacinda Adoun should she return
to this country to give evidence to the Royal Commission
of Inquiry into the COVID nineteen resports.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
And we're talking to Graham on the phone. Before one
hundred and eighty ten eighteen, he was saying, well, she's
paid a annuity, so she is being paid still by
the taxpayers. Yep, so she has that's part of the
moral obligation that she has to come back and speak
to this royal inquiry. So I just thought i'd get
to the bottom of the facts of this.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
Okay, yeah, right, So how much?

Speaker 2 (24:04):
So they receive an annual annuity exprementis is calculated at
ten thousand, nine hundred per full years served, up to
a maximum of fifty four thousand, five hundred a year.
So she was over five years, so she would get
fifty four thousand, five hundred a year from as an annuity.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Not bad.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
And upon their death, their surviving spouse or partner is
eligible for half of that amount. Now, the travel entitlements,
because I think we might have led you astray a
bit before, or Graham might have, but you know, blessed Graham,
great cool. Former Prime minises and their spouses or partners
are entitled to travel services within New Zealand, covering trips
made in connection with commitments related to their former office,

(24:42):
not for private or employment purposes. So if she's flying
first class from New York to Hawaii for a holiday, yep,
she doesn't.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Get she's coffing up for that.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Yeah, she's coughing up for that. Yeah, I'm not sure.
I'm still trying to find out what the security protection
an expromise that gets going forward to be interesting, find out
what that is.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
Jane. How are you this afternoon, Fie?

Speaker 14 (25:04):
I'm setting really good.

Speaker 15 (25:05):
Chada?

Speaker 14 (25:06):
How are you?

Speaker 3 (25:06):
Yeah? Very good. What's your thought about the former prime minister?
Should she come back and give evidence?

Speaker 16 (25:12):
Well?

Speaker 14 (25:12):
I can't say absolutely she should, and she doesn't need
to have all her family with her. She managed to
do these things without them holding on to her.

Speaker 17 (25:21):
Now.

Speaker 14 (25:22):
Her job was what she did. She did it poorly,
in my opinion. She locked everybody away. She sat up
there at lunch time. I didn't watch it at lunchtime,
with what's his name? Who's gone south now? And the doctor.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Bluefield I had, I didn't.

Speaker 15 (25:44):
Sorry.

Speaker 14 (25:45):
I wasn't the greatest fan of any of them, so
I try not to mention their names. I have forgotten them.
They should those three alone should be their answering questions,
because together they made these decisions that ruined people's lives.
She wouldn't set them. She played the biggest I am
I've ever been the ever come across she personally, she

(26:09):
up hit my family. When my husband died, my daughter
would have been away and she made the trip home.
She got into the hotel at for thirty in the
afternoon and the funeral started at once and she wasn't
allowed out later. She also fed all the wrong food

(26:31):
to the Maori children up north to get them to
come to have an injection. Now, I had all the
injections recent not recently, about two months ago, had the
one purned out. It's my choice. I didn't. My doctors
said they're available. It's my choice, and I never touch
would have never had any problem with COVID. My husband,

(26:53):
who was dying a cancer that did exactly the same thing.
He had rip me out. He didn't get COVID.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
What what would you do just I mean, this is
kind of off topic, Jane, from what we're talking about
and the moral obligation for an ex prime minister to
come and talk to a Royal inquiry. But what do
you think just you know, a couple of things that
you would have done different. And of course we're looking back.
In the heat of the moment, people are going to
make mistakes. But looking back now because that's what the
Royal Inquiry is about, is so, so you know the

(27:21):
core purpose is to strengthen our response for future pandemics.
So what do you think could have been done different? Jane?

Speaker 14 (27:29):
About everything? Honestly, just about everything, I mean completely ruined
the children's education. I would say, they're not draw a
year one nta one. They don't have to do that.
There's a lot of children that would have been disappointed.
The rest of them would have been absolutely thrilled to
get it for nothing. Well, that doesn't help in this years,

(27:52):
in the next years exams, that won't help them when
they go to the university or to try to get
into building and all the other things that I mean,
anything they wished to do. They were part of that
year that was given it, which meant them lazy and
they got they and you won't hear anything else out
of me from that. It was just the way that

(28:13):
she'd say, God with our lives.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
I think if you call Jane, yeah, yeah, and you
made that very clear. And look, there'll be a lot
of people feeling as Jane feels. Clearly it hit her
on a personal level.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
I wonder if the expre Minister believes that she could
prove to someone like Jane by talking to the Royal
Inquiry and show why the decisions were made.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Absolutely, I think that would go a long way. And
talk about apology. I don't know about apologies, but absolutely
explaining and giving the context.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Every step of the way why you made this decision
while people say, well, look look what it's done to
education in our country. Yep, you know, look what it's
done to you know, our economy, all these kind of things.
An answer every question and this is why we did it,
this is why we had to do it at that point.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
I want to see that the thought processes because, as
you said before, when and it was a situation that
was unprecedented and I hate that word was around the world.
There was confusion about what was the right way forward,
but there were no mistakes made. But to front up
and say we got it wrong, but here's why we
made that decision at the time, I think would go
some way to not alleviating or offering an apology, but

(29:25):
an explanation is the very least that should be offered here.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yeah, have you read a book?

Speaker 3 (29:31):
No? I haven't you?

Speaker 2 (29:32):
No, Well, but my understanding is that there's not a
there's not a lot of that sort of meat.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
Yeah, that's why I haven't read it. Yeah, Oh eight.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Hundred meat around the COVID response in there.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Oh eight hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call.
Love your thoughts, It is eighteen to two, the issues that.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Affect you, and a bit of fun along the way.
Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
They'd be very good afternoon. Sure, it is a quarter
to two. And we have asked the question, should our
former Prime Minister Dame Dame just into a douring return
to New Zealand to give evidence to the Royal Commission
of Inquiry morally? Morally?

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Morally, Yeah, is something that she should do because if
she's over sees, they can't compel her to come back
for it.

Speaker 5 (30:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
But the question is should a prime minister that was
in charge during that time be Is it behoven to
her morally to come back? I said that right now?

Speaker 3 (30:22):
You said that beautifully. How are you?

Speaker 5 (30:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yeah, nice to chat. So you you think that she
doesn't need to return necessarily, Lynn.

Speaker 18 (30:34):
So I believe I would think from what I know
about governments, I would think they will no doubt be
sending just in the questions that she will no doubt
the answering. And I believe Auckland have a different perspective

(30:56):
than us through the down I have on the way
things wink.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yeah, I mean, Matt you you were up here during
that time, me and Lynn warns. Is that a fair statement?

Speaker 5 (31:08):
Ah?

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Yeah, I mean I don't think there's many people that
support that, that that final lockdown, the length of it.
I think even the most ardent supporters of the response
would would question the you know, the rationale of that,
the length of the last lockdown when we were waiting
for numbers to change that we could have no say

(31:29):
on you know that that. I mean, boy up here
while watching all you people around the rest of the
country partying and skipping around and going to bars.

Speaker 18 (31:38):
Well, I'm an out hunger, so we went partying and
tearing on here.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
We Sorry, I was talking to Tyler.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
Yeah, he was talking to me specifically, nobody else.

Speaker 18 (31:54):
I know my sister, she's in mostun and I know
they were pretty free, but she wore masks where she
went me because she's eighteenth. They were like South Island
were quite open. But my husband's a teacher and he
had online teaching, which wasn't pain in the bus we

(32:19):
were we had COVID ourselves. We called it from school.
So yes, I think she should. She will. I would
think she will be answering the questions they had for her.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, oh well, okay, well yeah, we'll see though we
haven't got an answer on that yet.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Yeah. I mean, yeah, I get where Limb's coming from.
But at the very least, and a lot of people
are teaching this that she could give evidence via a
video link. Would you have any issue with that? I
think the bare minimum. And I've set through one of
these Royal Commissions of Inquiry with Pike River and there
is no stone left unturned. If they can help it,
if they can compel people. It is very in depth

(33:02):
type of inquiry. And the ability to see somebody, to
see their mannerisms and to see them present, and to
try try and challenge some of the things they're saying
that is incredibly important. That is something you cannot get
from a written statement. Written statement is a cop out.
It's got to be a video, you know, turn up
via video link or in person hopefully and be challenged

(33:22):
by some of the questions from the lawyers and others
that will be there.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
This Texas says, I agree with the other text. This
kind of discussion and inquiry will lead to more death
next time there is a pandemic. I bet you were
a kind of dirt bag who didn't wear a mask.
Truth be known, we should still be wearing masks. But
conspiracy theorists like you are willing to risk lives. Yeah,
the stuff I mean, we haven't actually given any opinion
on anything. Exactically, it would be a ridiculous claims the

(33:48):
sext a head that you shouldn't have an inquiry to anything,
because I think the idea of this inquiry is quite
the opposite from risking lives. Yeah, it's to strengthen our
response in the future.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
We are used to being accused of crimes we haven't committed.
But keep those texts coming through. On nineteen ninety two,
take your quick break and more of your calls. If
you can't get through, keep trying. Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty, it's eleven two.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls. On eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty it's mad Heath and Tylor Adams
afternoons News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
News Talks, EDB. Great to have your company. We are
talking about Dame Jacinda doing the former Prime minister and
ask the question should she return to New Zealand in
person to give evidence at the Royal Commission of a quarry.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah, and we're in the gray era of morality, so
we're asking should morally speaking, should she return this Texas
says I worked in a frontline role on pandemic planning,
specifically around how to deal with mass casualties. I sat
in on briefings every morning. I was told to prepare
for twenty percent of our population to die. We were

(34:51):
sourcing refrigerated shipping containers and secure areas for storage as
we were told our mortuaries would be overwhelmed. I spoke
with a family member who was also leading the response,
but from a health perspective. She was shocked and couldn't
believe the numbers I was being told. She was receiving
the complete opposite info both government organizations. Who the heck
was coming up with the numbers and the modeling. If

(35:12):
we were receiving wildly different modeling, then who was briefing
the Prime minister? This all needs to come out. The
data was off from the beginning. This caused every decision
made from then on to be completely out of step
with reality. I'm still dumbfounded how we got to that point. Yeah,
and look at the time, it was unknown's everywhere, absolutely

(35:34):
unknowns everywhere. I remember when the first lockdown was happening
and I was driving home in my truck to you
to give an inspirational gladiator speech to my kids that
we were going to come out of this stronger. And
I remember just driving home not knowing anything, being quite scared.
And I think everyone across the country it was a
big unknown absolutely. But we need to look at that

(35:55):
because because because that's you would hope that the Rural
Inquiry looks into, as this person said, how the data
was collected, how the modeling was made, it was done,
and how that was spread out through the various government agencies.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
That's exactly the information they need, and did text her
if you haven't got in touch with the Royal Commission
of Inquiry, please do, because that's the information they need
to hear. Christopher, how are you this afternoon? Well, I
know you, you're good and you want to have a
chat about what you want out of this commission.

Speaker 12 (36:25):
Well, what I really want to know is an answer
as to how come the supermarkets were given exclusive rights
to all our trade. Butcher shops examples in all towns
were closed completely, some bankrupted, A couple committed suicide over
it because they lost everything they owned. I know one
butcher shop that had to throw thirty thousand dollars off
a meat and did have been because they weren't allowed

(36:45):
to open, and there was no logical reason for it.
I want to know who lobbied it, how the pressure
came about and had a decisions revenus corruption from the
big suppliers or what, because.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Never made that never made sense to me. Why you know,
if someone's flying food, you know how you make how
you make that decision.

Speaker 10 (37:07):
You know the.

Speaker 12 (37:09):
Exact same principle that they used a supermarket standing in
a queue and a line hits to the adding line cues.
Why would you have the same thing outside your local
butcher shop.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Yeah, I agree with your Christopher. I don't think you
know particularly And this is what we want to know,
the information. I don't think there was any sort of
corruption involved. I believe if I'm being diplomatic here, and
I don't know. This is the whole point of the
Royal Commission of Inquiry that at the time they probably
wanted to reduce the number of places that people were
going to converge and supermarkets were a one stop shop
for most of the things you needed. But it made

(37:38):
no sense when those traffic light systems came out. They
were confused. I remember ringing ministries and saying can you
do this? Can you do that? They had no answers.
There was so much confusion about what you could and
couldn't do. Could I go down to the butcher's. Could
I go to the supermarket? My partner's crooked, she's the
one that goes to the supermarket. Can I do that?
It was a confusing time and they didn't know the answer.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
And there was really interesting decisions which I supported at
the time, around leaving bottle stores, you know, being able
to get alcohol throughout the entire thing and health crisis
alcohol was available.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (38:08):
There's also another aspect of it that I want to
know is the government had a complete pandemic plan that
was written to the last big one that killed all
those people, and they shrew it straight in the burn
and started from scratch. Why didn't they extract the original
government pandemic plan.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
No, I'm not I'm not aware of this, Christopher.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
How long ago was their plan put in place, Christopher,
the one you're talking about.

Speaker 12 (38:32):
After the last pandemic when we lost all those people
years ago?

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Well, I mean the Spanish flu situation.

Speaker 12 (38:40):
Yeah, they wrote a complete pan and was all written
in government, sitting on the files, ready to go, and
they just ignored it.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Again playing devil's advocate. My thinking around that was that
was a plan designed in nineteen twelve, and in twenty
twenty five, there's been a lot changes there, so that
would that plan would need to be updated quite considerably.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Well nineteen eighteen, Oh sorry, nineteen eighteen.

Speaker 12 (39:00):
Yeah, that's true that they maybe had to adapt it
from modern technologies and things, but diseases don't actually change.
I mean, any disease that kills its host dies.

Speaker 17 (39:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Yeah, Well, thank you so much for you, Corll Chris buth.
Let's keep this going after two o'clock because we've got
full lines and so many texts coming through. But keep
calling and keep trying one hundred and eighteen eighty yep.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
And if you want to send a text message, nine
two nine to two. Is that number? New Sport and
Weather coming up? Really great to have your company new
it is? What is it? Three to two? You're listening
to Matt and Tyler. You're a good afternoon to you.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
It'd be very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into
the program. Seeven pass too. So we've carried this on
because we had so many texts and so many phone
calls come through on the question. Should our former Prime Minister,
Dame Jacinda rad are Dorn return to New Zealand in
person to give evidence to the Royal Commission of Inquiry
into the COVID nineteen respect bonds.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Yeah, because, as I keep saying, the Commission's core purpose
has stated, is to strengthen New Zealand's readiness for future
pandemics by learning from responses to COVID nineteen. So do
you think the person that was in charge in that
time should should face the panel and answer their questions
in the hopes of strengthening our future responses. This Texas
says the new role model is basing figures extrapolated on

(40:33):
high population density. One figure suggested seventy thousand per day.
You talk about educations, et cetera, standards deteriorating, police, armed
forces lost staff because of vaccinations, doesn't score tenants, cause problems.
So lockdown, open up, and the brain train followed. We're
living with many residual aspects effects and what about the
ongoing of printing money. That was the first response to

(40:55):
fix the situation. That's from Sue. So that's that if
Sue was on the panel, that's that's what you'd throw it. Yeah,
throw it, throw it, Dame.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
The Prime Minister. Sue absolutely, oh, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is then to call welcome.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
To the show, Jane, Oh, oh hello, how are you
very good?

Speaker 3 (41:13):
How are you?

Speaker 19 (41:14):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (41:15):
Not too bad.

Speaker 16 (41:16):
It's a subject that yes, I did write to the
Royal Commission, actually because I had an incident which affected
me directly. However, I will address the question, and that
is absolutely if the leader is elected and has a
short term as prime minister that has such a devastating
result on the future of the country, then absolutely she

(41:36):
should come back. I don't see why she wouldn't. She's
building a career out there on her short term as
a Prime minister here in New Zealand, and New Zealand's
still trotting along trying to recover, like a lot of
other countries.

Speaker 20 (41:48):
Around the world.

Speaker 16 (41:51):
My question to the Commission when I wrote to them
was first my own personal experience, but the second question
was why would you leave because we did not have
We did have COVID here and I'm so sorry for
the people that had it and the people that lost people. However,
what I couldn't understand.

Speaker 15 (42:09):
Is why they would keep.

Speaker 16 (42:11):
The way that it was spreading was people coming into
the country, people returning home, all the flights that were
full as they were coming into the country, So why
were those flights flying into the biggest city in New Zealand.
I just didn't understand it. I thought, we've got facilities
in other airports that can take international flights. I mean, Christ,

(42:33):
I mean, I'm not saying Christ you should have been
punished or anything. It's just that it had Burnham, It's
got facilities. It's a smaller international airport where you don't
have so many million people that can spread the disease.
Putting people in lockdown for two weeks when there was
no accommodation was another problem. There is a lot to

(42:55):
be learnt from this. But they kept they kept flights
going into Auckland, so Auckland then kept experiencing lockdown because
they kept getting cases.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yeah, I remember at the time that wondering that, and
I'm just trying to remember now. Someone might tell me
on nine two, niney two, you can you remember, Jane
what their reasoning was, because it just seems so logic,
as logical as you say, Jane, that if we're going
to keep flying people into our biggest city and you know,
the economic hub of the country, then that's going to

(43:26):
keep getting locked down. And I remember just I remember
just a lot of people saying that at the time,
but there was a reason why they didn't do it.
I just can't. I can't remember now.

Speaker 16 (43:35):
Well, you see, I don't understand it. Well, I don't
know what they were saying at the time because I
had to leave the country. I had the opposite problem
because my mother was living in America and I had
to fly to America because she was very badly hurts.
I mean, she was, you know, in the late eighties,
early nineties, and she was she nearly lost her leg
in a car accident. So I had to get out

(43:55):
of the country. First I had to ring to get
permission to get out of the country. Then you go
to the sort of you know, empty airport in New Zealand.
Were actually wonderful. They flew me out. I was almost
the only one on the plane because they were coming
back from States. I was flying into LA. They were
coming back full but going empty. And then when I

(44:17):
was there and after I could bring them home, I
couldn't get on a flight. And when you've got three months,
it took several months for her to get out of
the hospital. But then I had to ring and get
a quarantine room. Then I had to get a ticket,
a air ticket, and one wouldn't give me one without

(44:38):
the other. And I'd read the embassy. I ran the
consulate in LA and she was saying, look, give me
a call if you find out anything. I mean, this
was happening everywhere. No one knew anything. There's no communication.
And this was well into the pandemic. I mean I'm
talking about.

Speaker 15 (44:58):
August.

Speaker 16 (44:59):
It was late. It was like July August.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
And sorry to jump in there, Jane, I'm just looking
at a story from twenty twenty one. At the time,
national were calling for MiQ facilities to be outside of Auckland,
and that was very fair criticism is that Auckland was
the hot spot at the time and to ship more
people in there and bust them into these hotels clearly
was not conducive.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
To members, saying clearly on the radio, fly them into
the Giggle, it's got a fantastic airport, long runway. Give
the international planes down there.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
So Chris Bishop at the time, he made some compelling
arguments about why these MiQ facilities needed to be outside
of Auckland. But the government at the time here was
that the quote from a government spokesperson, a range of
factors are taken into determining the best locations that MiQ,
including access to medical facilities and public health units and
international travel arrivals. That was all they said on this

(45:51):
particular case. But I think the subtext was from memory
that they didn't have enough facilities. They weren't They had
to rely on these hotels, primarily the ones up in
Auckland had the conditioning units and had the space and
were able to be quarantined easily, rather than some of
the other hotels around the country. That was the ration
now at the time I think that's wrong ration now,

(46:12):
But basically they were chasing their tale from memory that
they didn't know what to do. There was talk of
dedicated MiQ facilities being built in rural areas. Never got
that far. But yeah, clearly again mistakes.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Made, all right. So we're discussing whether Dame Jisinda Ardun
should return to face the Royal Commission on COVID nineteen.
I understand she's been asked, but we don't know what
her response to it is. But does she have to
be there because if she's overseas, right, they can't compel
her to attend.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
No, but a.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Zoom call would be sweet as, wouldn't it.

Speaker 21 (46:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (46:44):
I mean, I mean the whole COVID thing was about
zoom calls, wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
We were suddenly working from home on zoom calls, so
surely that can continue.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Right, make zoom great again? Yeah? Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Should our
former Prime Minister, just under a dune, return to New
Zealand to provide information to the Royal Commission of Inquiry.
Love to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
I'll just give you a quote here from Ryan Bridge
from early edition and here al now many New Zealand
businesses never recovered from lockdowns. Well Deurn has profited from
book deals.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
There we go. It is fourteen past two.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons
call eight hundred eighty ten eighty used talk said.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
Be afternoon, and that is what we are discussing. Should
our former prime ministers under a don return to give
evidence to the Royal Commission for Sex.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
It says, hey, I don't want censorship, but all the
media outlets having their favorite epidemiologists with a mixed MSG main.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Messages, that's texts, that's that's could speak for messages.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Mixed messages heightened fears and added confusion to what we
should do. Sometimes it's good to call it out, but
there should be consequences for reporting that what is not
true and is just fear mongering. Wow, yeah, I mean
how much of reporting is fear mungering?

Speaker 3 (47:58):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
I think I think some of those those experts, they
were experts, but there was there was confusion there about
who was right and what strategy was going to work best.
And I think a bit more honesty, no honesty, isn't
the right word. They've been as honest as they could,
but a bit more being upfront and say we think
this is the situation, but we don't really know because

(48:23):
the whole world is still trying to figure this out
along with the rest of us. Might have gone a
bit better to say you need to do this because
this is going to do happen.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Yeah, Well, I think there's a thing that happens where
where you get this kind of emergency powers where it
becomes a lot easier to make very draconian decisions, and
then another one, and then another one, another one. The
first one's difficult, but then that works, and it's a
lot easier to shut things down as you afforded more power,
if you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Yeah, no, fair point, And so.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Probably it would have surprised the government how far they
went by the end of it. If you'd said to
them at the start, this is where you're going to go,
they might have been quite surprised. Now, I think you're right,
Matt and Tyler covid how comes Sweden had no lockdowns,
quarantine or mandates and had better out come in anywhere
else and then needs to pay back the millions she
took and be dragged back to New Zealand. I don't

(49:13):
know anyone suggested she'd be dragged back and put on
trial together with Hipkins. Well, I don't know about that.
But what we're asking is should she morally come back
and speak to the Royal Inquiry? I mean, I don't
know if i'd edicate her being dragged back to do it.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
No, No, I don't think there's any need for that.
As we mentioned, maybe a video would suffice.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
She ruled by fear, says this Texter Graham, Welcome to
the show.

Speaker 21 (49:39):
Yeah, hi, hey, I'll just try and keep this brief.
But Desinda a done. She was the PM at the time,
and like all good CEOs of a company. But drawing
a parallel there, there is where the buck stops when

(50:00):
there's a problem. Now, yes, there are questions about how
it was matten, how COVID was managed, and the like.
That is exactly why Desinda A Durn should be made
to appear before the commission.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Do you think, Graham, that all ex prime ministers should
be made to appear and justify the decisions they made. Say,
for example, I'm just pulling something out of my out
of my mind here, there's no particularly as I'm saying that,
you know, the blowout blowout of the City rail link,
for example, it's now pushing six billion dollars. Should the
people I think was John Key at the time, should

(50:42):
he be when we want to look into something, should
they be compelled by virtue of being Prime Minister be
compelled to come back and justify their decisions down the track?

Speaker 21 (50:55):
Not necessarily, but we are talking about a national problem
in which involved loss of life, which involved restriction of movement,
restriction of speech, the whole bang. And this is a

(51:15):
whole new level, you know, when compared to a project like.

Speaker 5 (51:22):
Like city rail.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
Excuse me, Graham, if she doesn't buy video rather than
in person, would that still get the job done?

Speaker 9 (51:31):
No?

Speaker 5 (51:31):
She should appear? Why person?

Speaker 3 (51:34):
Why in person?

Speaker 21 (51:36):
Because it's easy to just just feign what you're saying,
whereas if you're sitting in front of an inquiry with
a committee, there that there's body language, there's all these
sorts of things which you cannot get unless that person appears.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
What do you say, Graham? Around Chross Hopkins this morning
had concerns around her security, her safety if she came back.
Do you think that's valid.

Speaker 21 (52:08):
Well, it may well be, because let's face it, j
Sindra Adurn has has wiled a lot of kiwis. I
mean just before she she handed her notice in has
been out of fuel. She was getting death threats sweetly

(52:28):
and and you know that that that's not good. That
that says a lot. Yeah, But the fact remains, as
per any CEO in the business world, they must front
and answer questions in front of the shareholders.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
Fair enough to Graham, Yeah, and I think a lot
of people would agree with that, that sentiment that if
you are in his analogy or the CEO of a
business and your business goes belly up or something goes wrong,
most most of the shareholders as if she would like
you to front up to say what the hell happened?

Speaker 2 (53:01):
And it has been as it has has been pointed
out Boris Johnson who took a thorough a thorough ribbing
for his response and various cakes that he had when
he was Prime Minister over this time in the UK,
he fronted up to the equivalent investigation in the UK.
So there is precedent for for for providing testimonies to

(53:25):
these things.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
Yeah. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the numbered call.
Got to take a quick break, but back with more
of your calls very shortly. It's twenty three past.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Two Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred
eighty eighty on News Talk ZB Very good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
She it is twenty five past two. Greg. You were
a hotel operator. Was this during the pandemic?

Speaker 10 (53:50):
Was it?

Speaker 22 (53:52):
Yeah? We flew out there on the day that that
that COVID was announced and so we went off shore.
We decided to go and we went through Singapore, Vietnam,
Thailand and so it was so we were away right

(54:13):
at the time this was all occurring, and it was
really fascinating to watch how the other countries took on
board their immediate processes to try and keep people separated
and stop people from catching COVID. And of course they'd
been through it ten years previously with SARS, so they
were well acquainted with what was going on. But the

(54:35):
interesting thing for us was when we got back to
New Zealand, there was just absolutely nothing going on at
the border and we just couldn't believe it from what
we'd seen in the other countries and how detailed they
were about separation and making people, making sure people were
socially distancing temperature readers in the shopping centers and things

(55:02):
like that. It was just you went from a very
sophisticated countries that were managing it really well from the
outset to what we had in New Zealand when you
came in and it was just like total incompetence. We
were just astounded when we came back through customs and so, Greg,
do you.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Think that just Cinder should should, morally speaking, face the
Royal Inquiry and answer questions like you have there? Why
was our response so in your words, what did you say?
Well inadequate?

Speaker 22 (55:39):
It was abusinal. Look, I yes she probably should come back,
but you know, and I'm not necessarily defending her. But
what I found the worst was that the government were
relying on using consultants to help them understand what was

(55:59):
going on. And to me, that's where the problem lies
because we went further when we got back to our hotels.
We came back my daughter and said, look, we're going
to have a problem here. We started a system called
I Stay when people could fly back into New Zealand
and stay in our hotel for two weeks to make
sure that they didn't have COVID and could be free

(56:21):
before they went home. So they had to stay in
their hotel completely self isolate. They weren't allowed to out
of their room, and we never had one instance of
anyone catching COVID. And the whole time we ran that program.
When we got into COVID, we thought we had to
try and save our hotel somehow because it was on
to get shut down and someone got COVID. So we

(56:43):
managed to find a product that can eliminate COVID, so
we put it into our hotels and again nobody got COVID.
But when I approached the government to try and get
them to have a look at this product that we
brought in, I could not get anyone.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
What was the product?

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Greg?

Speaker 22 (57:03):
Well, are you happy for me to mention what it is?

Speaker 19 (57:07):
Okay?

Speaker 22 (57:07):
So it's a product. It just simply it looks like
you can put into an air conditioning system or it's
or get a tabletop version. It's called respair. Basically, in
simple terms, it takes the ambient air temperature and converts
it into into low levels of hydrogen peroxide. Hydrogen peroxide
kills all the bacteria in the air, including COVID, including

(57:29):
you know, the flu and and people with asthma and viruses.
It kills all that sort of stuff, just kills it dead.
And you can't catch COVID.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Yeah, that's interesting, well, very interesting though.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
And as a letter to dead desinder from n Taylor recently,
he complains that they weren't open to the government, wasn't
open to ideas from business community.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
A lot of people felt frustration around that. Thank you
very much, Greg, Joan, we got about a minute before
the headlines.

Speaker 23 (58:00):
Oh yes, Graftinon. I'm not I just make my position clear.
I'm not a supporter of the synta, but I do
have a little bit of sympathy. I think she did
what she thought was the right thing, and the doctor
that was working along with her and the other specialists. Yeah,

(58:25):
I think I was young when the polio vaccine came out.
I know that's a whole different thing, but what I
saw in this pandemic was the defiance, the social defiance.

Speaker 10 (58:41):
Don't tell me what to do.

Speaker 20 (58:42):
We've researched it, We've done this.

Speaker 23 (58:45):
If we'd had social media when polio was going on,
we would still have it.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Well, Jane, and initially there was huge compliance from from
the country. Initially no, no in the COVID response and initially,
initially we're all in lockstep with the with the instructions,
and then some people done well. But if that's true
what you're saying, Joan, about hindsight, does that that's more

(59:12):
all the more reason for just are done to come
in front the Royal Inquiry, isn't it because she was
there and she has that hindsight to look and say,
this is why we did it, this is what we
what in retrospect we got wrong. So would you do
you think morally, as the person that was in charge
at that time, that she should come back and face
the Royal Inquiry.

Speaker 23 (59:32):
Yes, I think there's we need to learn from this
whole experience.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Yeah, thank you for you called, Joan. I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Very good discussion. Thank you everyone who takes through. We
had thousands of texts in so many calls, but really
appreciate it. I think it's a good discussion, and I
think the majority would say that she should come back
and tell the inquiry what she knows.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Yeah. If genuinely the Commission's core purposes to strength in
New Zealand's readiness for future pandemics. By learning from responses,
she'd be key information that we would that we could
we could use to make that decision and look excellent
playing of the ball and not the man from everyone
today in the last Now, that was pretty pretty good,
good good chat. But there's there's a few texts have

(01:00:13):
been coming through. Now he hears about this old news.
Let's get onto the mushroom lady. This texasays, hey, muppets,
you promise mushrooms. This Texas's mushies please. This Texas says, hey, hey, hey,
you said two pm mushrooms chat. What is this just
cinder rubbish beef Wellington, let's go and another one. I
turned back and I tuned back in for mushrooms. Cut
out this rubbish. Wait to the mushroom lady.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Yeah, well, dear texts, we promised you'll, we will deliver
because that is coming up next. We are going to
talk about the mushroom cook trial and the verdict that
came out yesterday. That is coming up. But can you
get your views on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
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Tyler Adams, thank you very much. Ray Lean, right, this
is going to be a good discussion. The world was

(01:02:14):
talking about the Mushroom Cook trial, the trial of Aaron Patterson,
and after seven weeks of evidence, six days of summing up,
and six and a half days of jury deliberation, they
took their time. The verdict was obviously delivered yesterday afternoon
that she was guilty on all counts. She was found
to have murdered her estranged husband's parents done and Gail Patterson,
along with Gail's sister Heather Wilkinson, and the attempted murder

(01:02:35):
of another who survived.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
So did you follow this trial now last week? No,
it was how many of weeks ago? Ten days ago
we were talking about this, weren't we. Tyler on the
show and got huge amount of calls on it. And
this was before the jury was going in to deliberate,
and at the time there was talk Mike Coskings said
he thought the trial the deliberation would last forty five minutes.
I went on holiday and didn't really check the news

(01:02:59):
because if you work at news talk z'b sometimes you
need to break from the news so I went on
holiday down in the pretty city Dunedin and had a
fantastic time, didn't check the news, and when I came
back online with the news, I was immediately like I
was immediately thinking what happened with the mushroom lady? Yeah,
and it hadn't even be decided at that point that
we finally got the verdict. But what do you think
about it? A lot of people it's been the biggest

(01:03:21):
podcast in the country for the whole duration of the
trial have been the mushroom podcasts. Some of them just
called mushroom podcasts. Yep, it's been a huge amount of interest.
I'm actually partly interested why there's so much interest into it.
So if you've got your thoughts on why you were
dragged into it, why you were interested, or alternatively, if
you have no interest in it and you think that

(01:03:42):
us weirdos that care about it should care about more
important things, we'd love to hear from you as well.
On eight hundred eighty ten eighty, But what did you
think of the verdict? They did they prove it?

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
I'm just looking at some of the evidence where we've
now seen that the jury were going through during that
six and a half days. I mean the photos that
interest me is the beef Wellington itself. So they've dug
that out of the rubbish, but and obviously and presented
that as evidence. And I've got to say, just on
a on a taste, it doesn't look like that appetizing
of she overdid the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Meat convict her as a terrible cook. I mean, if
you actually to be fair, if you if your milk
kills people, you're a bad cook.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. And then there were photos of
the mushrooms themselves, She's got them on the we dehydrated.
There then the photo of her getting rid of the
dehydrator at the local waste station, and that video her
interview with the police when they asked her, do you
have a dehydrator? No, I don't have a dehydrator. Oh
we found this instruction manual. Oh yeah, I might have
bought one years ago. And then turned out she was

(01:04:43):
dumping this dehydrator two days before that interview.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Yeah. But I've got one word for you, Tyler and
everyone listening. One word motivated motive.

Speaker 16 (01:04:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
I had one word and I couldn't get it out.
I have word No, No, I have one word motive.
What was the motive? So even the judge said the
fact that well he didn't say I'm paraphrasing here, but
the judge suggested that the jury may consider that the
lack of motive being proven by the prosecution could be

(01:05:20):
taken into consideration.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Yeah, and I think you're right. I mean I said
a little bit earlier. I'll say it again now and here.
This's producer asked me yesterday before the verdict came out,
which way did I think it was going to go?
And I said, one hundred percent. It's going to be
not guilty. They've been out for so long. The evidence
it might be compelling to some level, but the motive
question is a big question. She's going to be found
not guilty. And I had egger my face when it

(01:05:43):
was guilty on all counts. But yeah, the motive on
she disliked her strange husband and she was going to
take it out on the rest of the family. I
don't know, tenuous tenuous, Yeah, because she.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Didn't really really dislike her a strange judgment husband. They
you know, there was some weird things in her relationship,
but they also had quite a good relationship as well.
Post relationship you know their post this posts operation, You know,
texts were quite jovial back and forth.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Yeah, they still talked. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
So has this been a horrific travesty of dust justice?
Is it time to start? Get the Joe carom over
there to start the free the Mushroom Lady campaign?

Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
Yeah, let's go there. Oh, e one hundred and eighty
and eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
I still can't see a motive.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
I don't know the jury got it right this time?
On one hundred eighty ten eighty is and number to call.
If you've loved this trial? What have you loved about it?
What have you felt compelling? Love might not not be
the right word. What have you felt so compelled about
this this trial? And do you think the jury got
it right?

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Paul asks whether the Mushroom Lady will be allowed to
work in the kitchen in prison.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
It's a big ask. Wellington in prison.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
I don't know that. I wouldn't need to beef Wellington
in Do they serve beef Wellington in prison?

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
I hope not. I don't get enough beef Wellington in
my life.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
It's porridge, isn't it?

Speaker 14 (01:06:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
It should be.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons used talksa'd be
very good.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
Afternoons. We are talking about the shrom Cook trial, the
trial of Aaron Patterson and the verdict that came out
yesterday that she's guilty on all accounty. You've been following
that trial. What have you found so compelling about it?
And do you think maybe just maybe the jury he
got the wrong the wrong verdict here.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
I want a motive. I want a motive. This Texas
says she was a neuronic mad cow and probably hated
her in laws because they thought she wasn't good enough
for their son. You know those types of pearents. That's
from Paul, that's your motive.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
Is that a motive?

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Some people motive? You mup at. Some people are just nasty,
evil and spiteful. This Texas says she is absolutely innocent.
I am a lawyer and have been content and have
been in contact with others in Australia. We will get
this poor lady out. She's been convicted on hearsay and
rumor and mean speak. Does that sound when someone says
I am a lawyer? Is that that sounds there's something

(01:07:58):
untrue that texts.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
Yeah, did he put esquire at the end of that?
I don't know. You take that with a bit of grain.
Assault to you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
She is absolutely is that. I am a lawyer. There's
something about that. Look, if you're telling the truth, Texter
the then all power to you. But there's something about
your text that just sniffs of bs. If she was
good looking, she would have walked since this text.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Maybe she is fat.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
So she has been convicted. Simple.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
This is disgusting from Miriam, right, thank you Miriam. That
is that's a hot take. Brian, how are you?

Speaker 17 (01:08:26):
Oh good mate? I'm sorry. You guys are living in fairyland.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
Okay, okay, held us with.

Speaker 17 (01:08:31):
That, Absolutely in fairy land. I'm an Australian and I've
followed this every single day. I've had far more information
than the New Zealand Press's head. And I'm telling you
she is as guilty as hell. And you asked for
a motive.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Yep.

Speaker 17 (01:08:49):
She hates them. She hated her husband and she wanted
to hurt him.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
Right And what what evident?

Speaker 4 (01:08:56):
What?

Speaker 24 (01:08:57):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
What evidence? What even evidence? Sorry Brian? What evidence was
there that she hated him? I haven't seen much evidence
that she hated him, but it could be wrong.

Speaker 17 (01:09:09):
You haven't been following up, mate.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
I have been following that, but I haven't seen much
of it.

Speaker 17 (01:09:14):
So were pages and pages of all the things that
point to her guilt, absolute point to her guilt, and
she is she's another.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
Good on you, Brian forgiving us a call, and you're
obviously been following this. But to be fair, those texts
that the jury were considering her messages to the family
only got released after the verdict, so that, as you say,
these pages and pages and pages of it, and look,
I've just quickly having a look at some of those texts. Now,
does it appear that she dislikes some of her family members?

Speaker 10 (01:09:47):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
But is there enough to break someone?

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
And Brian, you saw her her ex husband talking in court,
did you, or you heard the transcript of him talking
in court? Yep, yep, and he didn't talk to all
of her.

Speaker 17 (01:10:03):
Yeah, Okay, that's only because probably you're still frightened of it.

Speaker 22 (01:10:11):
In jail.

Speaker 17 (01:10:12):
Apparently she's been accused of persons somebody in jail.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
What did you think of that moment, Brian, when the
judge told her husband that he didn't have to he
didn't have to be putting evidence what you call it.
He didn't have to be a witness. He didn't have
to front up to the stand because he there's there's
a law around spouse is not having to talk. And
he didn't know that. I thought that was that was
a major moment when he went.

Speaker 17 (01:10:36):
I thought everybody knew that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Yeah, so did I And I definitely thought that his
you know that the council would have told them that.
But but but anyway, yeah, I did not know that.
But I will continue.

Speaker 17 (01:10:49):
But I'll tell you one other thing. That guy that's
bringing you and told you he's a solicitor. Yeah, I
don't ever get you on a case. Mate.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
Yeah was she she? I mean I was reading, well,
I was reading this morning, Brian. She paid big bucks
for that solicitor. He was a big I am over
in Australia.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
It wasn't this solicitor though, I mean, are you with me, Brian?
That doesn't sound real this text. She is absolutely innocent.
I am a lawyer and have been in contact with
other Australian lawyers. We will get this poor lady out.
There's something about that that doesn't ring through. I don't
know my lawyer might be telling me. Did lawyers prefer
to themselves as lawyers in the situation? I'm not sure?

(01:11:26):
But Fellas Fellas just hit me out here. It's already
a great Netflix series. How good would it be for
one more twist Brian that she was innocent all along?
Just there one final episode.

Speaker 17 (01:11:38):
It's not going to happen, mate, Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:11:42):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
And one final question, Brian, what what led you into it?
Because there's there's murder trials around the world and such
an interesting one, but what about this one made you
follow it? What drew you in? Do you think? Brian?

Speaker 17 (01:11:55):
Well, the first thing was that four people looked like
they were going to die. Yea, but that really got me.
You know, they go to a metal and for them
are going to die. And this is the point that
you haven't made floats for all got poisoned. She ate
supposedly the same meal and nothing, absolutely nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
I thought that. I thought that testimony she had that
she tried to run that line that she was beliemic
without us saying she was beliemic, and she had a
whole lot of cake afterwards, and that maybe she threw
up and that's why she didn't die. There wasn't a
lot of credibility in that evidence from her that a
lot of people.

Speaker 25 (01:12:39):
She's a loser man.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Yeah, well, hey, thank you so much. Thank you so
much for your call, Brian, appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
Good to hear from an Australian. Clearly Brian was knee
deep in that trial. Thanks very much, Brian.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
The Stick says, No, the text don't make you guilty,
but I think the fact she feed them poisonous mushrooms
probably done. Yeah, I think that was a key, key
part of the evidence the jury would that we're considering there.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
But I still think that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
I still think because a lot of people hate they're
in laws, right, but normally for him motive and look,
people are saying, look, she's crazy, sure, and maybe it
doesn't make sense, and there's some people that just do
things for reasons we can't understand, right. Yeah, absolutely, I
get that, but I feel like there needed to be

(01:13:24):
a bigger thing that had happened to her for it
to be a motive. And that doesn't mean she didn't
do it. I just still think coming out the other end,
the motive is unclear and that leaves a few questions.
And for this person who's definitely a lawyer with the
definite true text definitely happen is getting some lawyers to
get in Australia to get her.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
Out, so Matt thinks she might be innocent. What do
you say at one hundred ten addies another to call
it is ten to three.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
Great call from Brian, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News
TALKSB News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
We are talking about the verdict and the Mushroom Coock trial,
the trial of Aaron Patterson. She was found guilty on
all counts, three of murder and one of attempted murder.
One person survive the infamous Beef Wellington dinner or lunch.
I should say plenty of techs coming through on this, Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
Just because they haven't worked out the motive yet, it
doesn't mean that there isn't one. She killed them, She's alive,
end of story.

Speaker 10 (01:14:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Look, I'm just it just feels a little bit weird
for me, and I've locked at all the evidence and
it is damning, but it just seems it just leaves
a little gap for me that there isn't a really
clear motive. And maybe I've watched too many Midsummer murders.
You know, maybe I've watched too many. I'll tell you
what show though, that you've got to watch. Have you
watched Department Q?

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
No, I haven't yet. I've been hearing great things about it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
Department Q. I think might be the greatest show I've
ever watched. It's on Netflix, Scottish. It's based on some
Denmarky and Danish novels. Denmark in Danish novels, I believe,
but it's set in Scotland and Edinburgh. It is such
a fantastic show. I absolutely loved it. But that's soft topic.
Matt thinks everyone is innocent, makes me think he is
guilty of something, and the sense says Matt thinks Mark

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Lundy is innocent for if sake.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
Well, I just just see the best thing of everybody,
don't you, Matt, I just E and Paterson.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
I just think there's some questions around London. I just
think there's some questions, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
All right, eighty ten eighty get Alistair and.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
I think there's some questions around mushroom lader get a Alistair.
Wel from to show your thoughts thank you.

Speaker 25 (01:15:31):
Yeah, looks on balance, I think she probably is guilty.
But I mean, I think the thing we all need
to remember is that none of us sat through ten
and ten weeks of evidence and then spend seven days
sort of working it all through like the jury that
you know. I think we've got snippets and here we
can say, well, this piece or that piece of the
whole story. And I think it's really important that we,

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you know, we trust their judgment because they're the ones
that have heard the whole thing. The one thing that
I think is kind of strange with all this, and
could probably only happen in Australia, is that while she's
been in prison, yours penal system has put her in
the kitchen work.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:16:09):
To me, it's, you know, no surprises.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
So is that true. I didn't read that she's actually
in work in the kitchen as we speak.

Speaker 25 (01:16:17):
Yeah, it was in the heralds this morning, kidding.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
It was interesting that she was in and it makes sense.
I don't I don't know why I didn't think of this,
but the way they took the photos of her arriving
at court, it didn't look like she was coming from prison.
But she has been in prison for the last two years,
and I guess they can't show that shot because it
makes her look guilty, if you know what I mean
by virtue of coming in and handcuffs and such. But yeah,

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it So what do you think? And this is a
difficult question. I absolutely agree with you that the jurists
have sat through so much more evidence than than we
have listened to our podcasts and reading our articles and
such and our wild speculations. But what piece of evidence
did you think was the most damning alistair?

Speaker 25 (01:17:01):
The two things for me. One was the fact that
she had searched about just kept mushroom.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Yeah, that's pretty why.

Speaker 25 (01:17:09):
Would you do that? Why would you do that? And
the second thing that they you know, when with the
d hydrated when they found it and you know, why
would you dispose of it if it's perfectly well working appliant. Yeah,
when they found that there was traces of dipcap and
that as well. So it's like to me, I'm thinking, well, motives, Yeah, okay,

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one of the previous callers said, you and we don't
necessarily know what the motive is. My understanding yet that
it's Osaily wasn't one. But I mean, if you turn
that around and go, well, why would she google didcat mushrooms?
Why would there be traces of dipcat mushroom into the
hydrated She hadn't deliberately gone out and looked for it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Hey, we've got to go to the news. But loving
talking to ours this. Apologies forving to cut you off there,
and let's keep this going because I've got I've got
a theory, okay, shocking theory that I want to share
after the news.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
This is going to be it's.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
Going to get garner me some hate. On nineteen nine
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Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
Your new home for instateful and Entertaining Talk. It's Matt
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Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
Welcome back into the show. Seven past three, and we
are talking about the verdict in the Aaron Patterson trial.
The mushroom cook found guilty on all accounts, three of murder,
one of attempted murder. But Matt Heath has some questions
about that jury's verdict.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
Look, I'm just not satisfied with the lack of motive
being proved, Okay, So I'm just questioning that I just
think that that I would want a stronger motive. I'm
not saying she didn't do it, but it just leaves
a little bit of hole in the story that no
one's given me a really, really strong motive. But I
have a theory here.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
It is here, it is.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
It's a controversial theory cobbled together with half pieces of
information and a lot of ignorance.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
That's the theories we do here on the Afternoon Show.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
But it is known when you if you've been following
the case, that she was known as a super sleuth
on in the true crime group that she was involved
and on Facebook, which she was very active on Facebook,
very very interested in the true crime world as a
lot of people are. A lot of people are that
you met. The podcast, the True Crime podcast is huge.
You look at all the murder shows that people love.

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You've got your Broken Wood Mysteries. You've got they're called
Cozy Keller shows, aren't they. You've got your you know,
Midsummer Murders. There's hundreds of these shows right on.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
Netflix Documentary there's a new one each week about a
true crime.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
Absolutely, and look, I'm a huge fan of Egarth the
Christie and the heirdkle Priors. I like the new one.
I like the Haunting of Venice, I like I like
Kennis Branner as herkle Puro. It's not they're not as
I'm pronouncing it terribly, but that doesn't matter anyway. I
love all that stuff. But I've got a theory she's
on these on these cases, right, And the way that
she reacted in court when she was giving evidence that

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she decided to just check if the police was stupid
enough to have left her phone online so she could
attempt to wipe it right, right, And the way she
was running multiple sim cards, right, And and the fact
that she committed a crime, if in fact she did, well,
she's been found guilty of it. That was quite old school.

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It's a poisoning with a beef Wellington, where you invite
people around a table.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
It's very Agatha Christie.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
Was she this is my theory. Was she just trying
to see if she could pull off a crime, a
clever murder, and get away with it. Was that what
she was doing. Maybe it's a hell of a theory.
So there's a low hatred of the in laws.

Speaker 3 (01:20:41):
She just wanted to say.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
There's a little bit of hatred of laws there, but
not enough that I can see for the ultimate motive
to do it. But wouldn't it be crazy if she
just got into her head pulling off you know, you know,
you know, pulling off an incredible crime like she's read
about and written about and and you know, and listened

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to these crazy crimes.

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
That would be a hell of a story. I mean,
it's almost like a gone girl, such a where she's
conducted this elaborate plan to try and get away with murder.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
Yeah, and she thinks she's clever. She had a whole
lot of ways of trying to do things. As I said,
the different sin cards, she had, the different colored plate
allegedly that she was eating off. She's doing this crime
with mushrooms, which is such a bizarre crime, which I
think is one of the reasons why we're so interested
in the case because it's so weird and sort of
old fashion.

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
The beef Wellington always come back to the Beef Wellington
eighty ten eighty. Is Matt on the money with this theory?

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
Yeah, what do you think about this whole case, Maureen?
You followed it closely, Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:21:46):
Very very closely, And I think your theory is absolutely rubbish.

Speaker 24 (01:21:53):
You said it, motive, motor, greed, money in a woman's
score and now all of those factors. And the other
thing is I've read it every trans you know, every
transcript from the each day's you know try and it's
just been so interesting. And then if you look at
today's ABC News, it's got a lot of background information. Now,

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mushroom lady actually passed the exam to be air traffic controller.
Now this is sort of twenty years ago, and there
were so many people and only three got through. Now,
she's a very clever woman to be able to pass
that exam.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
Did you think that though she If she is such
a clever woman and this is a premeditated murder, do
you think that she made some pretty obvious mistakes?

Speaker 20 (01:22:46):
Yes, she got she yes, yes, I mean there was
right at the beginning. I think it was before the
case started. Her husband had been admitted to hospital some
time before the mass based mushroom concoction. So you know,
maybe maybe she tried it then and it didn't quite

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you know, it didn't work, or she didn't have enough mushrooms.
I don't know, but she had. She's not a stupid woman.
She knew what she was doing.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
She's not mad, she's evil, right, that's interesting. And when
you say a woman scorned, how was she scorned? Mareen?

Speaker 20 (01:23:25):
Well, she wanted she still liked her husband. I mean,
you've got to read everything. She still she wanted her
husband to come for lunch. They still had you said,
the checks is going backwards and forwards. You know, they
were quite friendly. You know, maybe she's still you know,
underknown to us. She wanted him in her life. She wasn't.

(01:23:47):
She wasn't short of money because she didn't hear it
at nineteen million dollars when Grannie died.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
That's a strange part of it because she seemed to
live quite a frugal life.

Speaker 20 (01:23:58):
Yes, but look at the house, wasn't you know, it
wasn't a little shack up in the bush.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
When you say that she she because there were times
when she instigated the breakup though, weren't there because they
were together and separated a number of times, her and
her husband.

Speaker 20 (01:24:15):
But yeah, I think I think they were. I think
there was several occasions when they separated and then you know,
gone back together. And the other thing you said was,
you know you couldn't understand why it took so long
for the jury to come to the verdict, but that
judge would have directed them to do everything by the book,

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because who wants to have another trial lasting nine and
a half week and you've got to pay.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
For accommodation and Moreenie did say, as I was saying before,
that the lack of motive was something that could be
in her favor, didn't he I'm not getting the words right,
So that might have made them deliberate a bit longer,
you know.

Speaker 20 (01:24:56):
Discussing the moment so much that they had to go
back over. I mean it was it was a lot
to absorb, you know, you just think over seven to nine.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Weeks, so much digital for evidence.

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
Yeah, but I still can't see her as a criminal mastermind,
Maureen that if she had been planning this for months.
Just the fact that she looked up death cap mushrooms
on her own device and then was caught trying to
get rid of the dehydrator at the local waste factory
where CCTV was very obvious if you're aware a criminal mastermind,
clearly she might not have been a dummy, but she

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made some stupid mistakes.

Speaker 20 (01:25:32):
She did make some stupid mistakes, but don't clever people
in the end make stupid mistakes.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
She did seem arrogant in some ways as well, Maureen,
that example I was saying before where she was saying,
I was going to check if the cops, the police
was stupid enough to leave my phone on. There was
a certain amount of arrogance to that comment.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
Didn't you think there was arrogance?

Speaker 20 (01:25:51):
And I mean, at the end of the day, you've
got to feel sorry for her kids, don't you.

Speaker 4 (01:25:54):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
Absolutely? Boy? Hey, but you say that she wanted her
husband back. You think if her husband had turned up
to the Beef Wellington extravaganza that she would have taken
his life as well.

Speaker 26 (01:26:07):
That was part of He would be dead, Yeah, it'd
be dead.

Speaker 20 (01:26:12):
Yeah, yeah, I mean who knows. Who knows what goes
through the mind of someone who can make beef well Wellington.
I've never made it, actually, so don't worry. I'll stick
to my shortbread.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
Yeah, thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
And Maureene just quickly, Maureene has messaged through that article
on on ABC's whoever read it? That the background about
who was there in prisoners?

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
Was it nineteen million dollars or two million dollars?

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
I thought it was two million dollars that was the
inheritance she got from her grandmother. I mean, that's a
hell of a lot of money in anyone's standards, But
fourteen I didn't read that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
If she inherited nineteen million dollars as a Texan who
gets that? Could she have been set up? Is there
another angle to it? Hey, look, there's been about one
thousand text saying that my theory is idiotic, and I
accept that, But this textasy is Matt, your theory might
not be as silly as it sounds.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
Left of that, there's no context. I mean, why isn't
it as silly as it sounds. She's on true crime podcasts.
I mean, she's a big fan of true crime podcast
on a true crime group that she's commenting on constantly
on Facebook, and then she commits a murder that seems
the perfect, perfect murder for a true crime podcast. Does

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no one else think that's a coincidence that perhaps she
was so embroiled in the world that she started to
believe that she was clever than in people and that
she could put together this this murder and get away
with it. I mean, I don't see, I don't see
why everyone's calling me such a more on for that.
I've said way stupid of things in this on the
show and got less hate. Keep keep them coming at
Matt nine two ninety nine two. It is sixteen past three.

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Back very shortly the more of your calls, very good afternoon,
nineteen past three. We're talking about the verdict and the
Aaron Patterson trial. The mushroom Cook guilty on all counts.
Matt thinks his questions to be asked, and maybe she
got so infatuated with true crime and her Facebook group
that she tried to see if she could pull off
the ultimate murder.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
Yeah, that's my theory and I'm sticking with it. So
that's why she could pay for such a flash defense.
Was that that money that she got from her grandmother
that she should a two million dollar bequests? That's quite interesting. Hey, guys,
I still don't think she is guilty of murder. Why
would she want to kill them? Yeah's the motive? Yeah, Yes,
here's the theory for you. Maybe all along she just

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wanted to be infamous. She may have had such a
mundane life that she thought I'll just plan a murder,
but not a very good murder, so I go to court,
get convicted and have everybody talking about me. How's that? Well,
everyone is talking about her. If I tell her that
was her goal, then she's achieved it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
Yeah, well done. She's getting a movie in her name,
that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
Matt, you are absolutely right. Department Keew was the best
series I've ever watched. I believe they are making a
follow up series from Mickey. Yeah, he goes, So someone
agrees with my theory that Department U is a great show.

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
Phil, what do you reckon?

Speaker 26 (01:28:56):
Well, just before I get onto that, since I can't
bring it twice, I know you're going to do the
old Corona Hotel as Kadrona Okale as well. And I've
seen a little bit on TV about it, and yeah,
I thought, what a neat thing it would be to
boy and a lovely little lifestyle and community to live
in with the people around it. Now, so that's that one.

Speaker 4 (01:29:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:29:16):
I don't think Matt there is as crazy as as
some people might think. It's down to a bit o cave.
She had a bit of an arcissistic personality, then she
might have wanted to just do that. And also I'm
sure it has happened before you know, you could look
look and find cases where people did commit herus crimes

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inus crimes like murder and not just to try and
get away with it, you know, to be smart. And
and the Texas before mentioned that as well, that sort
of thing, And I just can't think of the word
to you. But yeah, it's not it's not out of
this world. But yeah, I was going to say too,
like I can't believe she's working in the kitchen and

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the Aussie thing in the present. I'd go on a
hunger strike.

Speaker 3 (01:30:05):
Exactly. Phil, Thank you for so much for giving us
a buzz a couple of texts coming through here.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
Hi, Matt, I absolutely agree with your theory. She seemed
to be the epitome of a narcissist personality, confident in
creating the perfect crime. I mean, it could be if
it wasn't. I mean, and you know, when you're talking
about these things, there are three people that died. Absolutely,
But it does feel a lot like a Midsummer murder plot,
doesn't it, or a broken Wood mystery plot the whole.

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And I think that's why it's it's captured the imagination
of the world because it's such an old school crime
and So if you accept that, Tyler and you lovely listeners,
If you accept that, and then you also have the
information that she was obsessed with true crime stories to
the point where she was on true crime forums talking

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about it. Doesn't that seem like a little bit of
a coincidence?

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
So you think this is almost like a heavenly creature situation.
Pauline Parker, she was in a fantasy land and she
just decided that, Hey, you know what would make my
life good? Murdering four people?

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
Yeah, well maybe who knows, Maybe she's crazy, who knows,
But but it just seems a coincidence to me that
she was interested in true crime and then she committed
the most trumed crime podcast built for a true crime podcast,
murder that's ever been committed in the history of humanity.

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
It's getting more compelling this theory. Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. It is twenty
two past.

Speaker 1 (01:31:27):
Three, Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty on youth Talk said the.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
Twenty five past three tim your thoughts on the mushroom
Lady verdict?

Speaker 5 (01:31:43):
Okay, good aftern Gentlemen, First up, she's a vile Harodin.

Speaker 3 (01:31:50):
And yeah, I'm I'm just googling harodon I haven't heard
that phrase, but I like it.

Speaker 5 (01:31:58):
Yeah, no, it sort of fits here. It was made
for hair. I think there's a few around. But anyway,
I'll probably get some stick for that, but it is
what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:32:08):
Yeah, carry on.

Speaker 5 (01:32:10):
She sounds like a pretty much a narcissist and yes,
totally ego driven. And I'm sure she's very clever and intelligent.
She sounds like she's a lot more clever than I am.
But I'm clever enough not to go and try and
knock over three people?

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
Are there three people you want to knock over? Tom?

Speaker 5 (01:32:29):
No, that's the thing there, there's the start of it there.
And even if they even if they're aware, oh, I
don't know, I'd go for a walk or something, or
you know, I don't know, Dan had a kick a
banana box out in the yard or something.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
I'm sure your family, your family will be happy to
hear this, Tim.

Speaker 5 (01:32:50):
They'll be extended. Actually, and actually i am. I'm a
very good cook.

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
But you know, is there a beef Wellington in your repertoire?

Speaker 5 (01:33:02):
Actually there isn't. It's not something You're cackled, you know what,
because I'm not clever enough.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
Yeah, yeah, I'm a one part guy. Yeah, thanks for
you cool, Tim, I appreciate that. Look, Okay, let's be honest.
How many of us have googled death cat mushrooms since
the murder happened. Are we incriminating ourselves by doing so?

Speaker 5 (01:33:22):
Good?

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
Well, I mean the next step is committing murders with
death cat mushrooms. Besides, you don't know, and it'll be
checking your history. You're allowed to look at them, don't
you know that every middle aged woman loves a true
crime podcast, including me. Therefore that sort of rule. So
that's pushing back on my theory that she was into
true crime podcasts in the true crime world and then
she committed a true crime type murder. Therefore that perhaps

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that was her motive to try and see if she
could pull one off. But if every single woman is watching, listening,
and watching these, then it doesn't really help my theory,
does it. Matt, Your theory is so stupid it might
actually be true.

Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
Thanks Muzzu. And this one here, Matt and Tyler Dave
the Mad Scotsman here, Matt, your bang on the money mate.
She was trying to prove to herself that she could
worry not about the moronic non believers. We can just
taser them in ues. Department Q was awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
There you go, so dave me and you are kindred spirits.
We love Department Q. We think it was all an
elaborate attempt at committing the perfect true crime murder, and
we want to taser non believers. It's brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
You've written too many TV shows and film scripts men.

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
Hey guys, or did one of her true crime groups
cohers or into it? Have we got time for Barbara?

Speaker 5 (01:34:36):
We we do.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
We've got time for one last call, Barbara, Welcome to
the show.

Speaker 27 (01:34:40):
Hi, thank you. Just a couple of things. If she's
a true crime podcast or your true crime person, surely
she'd realize that the first thing the cops would do
would be long to see what she'd be googling about mushrooms.

Speaker 21 (01:34:52):
So that's one thing.

Speaker 27 (01:34:55):
The other thing is said anyone look into her relationship
with her ex. I read he'd reread you know, he'd
read of course as children, but he'd been around for
about five years and that only start arguing in the
last few months. I read, had he somebody got a
new interest or something like that. I haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
I haven't seen any of that. I did see his
you know, read his testimony in court, and he came
across as a thoroughly decent man who also didn't really
have anything bad to say about it or anything too
bad considering you know that the three murders. It would
be interesting to find out because the word woman scorned

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has been thrown around quite a bit in the text machine.

Speaker 3 (01:35:40):
Yeah, great discussion. Thank you so much to everybody who
called and text and I guess we'll find out, Matt Eno.
If that lawyer who texts before is heading to Australia
as we speak to try and form a case to
get her out, that would be a hell of a twist.

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
Yet I call bs on that text, but I wouldn't
be surprised. I mean, you know, when there's these high
profile cases, someone normally does pop out of the woodwork
to try and prove the person's innocence. You know, we've
seen it a lot in this country.

Speaker 3 (01:36:04):
Absolutely right, coming up after the headlines with ray Lean,
we want to have a chat about the Kadrona hotel.
It is up for sale. Matt Heath was interested in
it to his partner about buying it. But we want
to ask the question, have you taken on a business
like this, a romantic little cottage or wee boutique hideaway and.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
It's a beautiful idea. You buy the Codrona Pub, one
of the most iconic pubs in the country. I absolutely
love the area. I love the place, have been there
a lot, I've stayed there. You buy it, you move
in there, You become a pillar of the community. You
and your partner, you worked there, You meet people, you
know everyone in the neighborhood, You know all the suppliers,
You feed locals, and you and you and you hydrate

(01:36:42):
locals and tourists coming through. It just sounds like a beautiful,
romantic thing to do. But e one hundred and eighty
ten to eighty is there things people need to look out?
Is there something wrong with this romantic vision of buying
a pub like this and moving in and running.

Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
Looking forward to that and coming up after the headlines
as well, we will have a chat with the current
owner of Kadrona Hotel, Caid Thornton. It has bang on
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Speaker 3 (01:38:26):
Thank you very much, Rayleen Well. Arguably one of the
most iconic hotels in New Zealand, the Kadrona Hotel. It
is set for sale later this year. The owner is
asked for offers in a month's time, but it is
looking like it's setting the record as New Zealand's most
viewed for sale property of all time. This morning it
was at twenty eight thousand, and we'll find out how

(01:38:47):
many people have looked very shortly. But the owner of
the Kadrona Hotel is Caid Thornton and he joins us
on the line right now. Cade, very good afternoon to.

Speaker 11 (01:38:57):
You, Good afternoon to you.

Speaker 2 (01:38:59):
How are you very good? Thanks, Kate, tell us the
story about how you become the you became the owner
of the Codrona Pub.

Speaker 11 (01:39:06):
It's a long time ago now, twelve we Mate and
I were looking for changes after the earthquakes and Christ
hitch and organized a bit of a getaway in the dune,
a bit of a roachrip around the South Island and
came across the Cadrona Hotel. Loved it. Never knew it
was the sale I've got a great photo my business

(01:39:27):
partner walking in in the pouring rain, and then we
got the CHRYSTI sudden look at options, they didn't look out.
And then it was my mother who found the place
of sale. We thought, oh, well that wanted about afford
that or I got we'll go down and have a look,
and yeah, one thing led to another and after six
months we ended up owning it.

Speaker 17 (01:39:45):
I'm still probably in shock.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
Actually, what do you think the Kadrona Hotel has captured
the imagination of the country now and for the longest time.
What is it about it? Because it's a magical place.

Speaker 11 (01:40:00):
Yeah, I don't know what, there's not one thing I think.
I mean, it's been you know, in famous in New
Zealans for I think in space that went a long
way to help that. And I just think geographically where
it is. You know, it's between two tourist towns. Everyone visits,
so it gets it gets noticed, I think, and in

(01:40:21):
our times social media has become huge, so that's really
taken it internationally famous as well. I think everyone who
comes to the Zealand's got the Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
Oh, it's on a hell of a lot of postcards.
There's for sure, this will be hard question for your kid,
but one or two of your best memories is owning
the hotel. What would they be best memories?

Speaker 11 (01:40:44):
Well, just just running the icon, you know, twelve years
worth of memory, really is there's so much that goes
on and just just being part of it. It's always
amazing when it snows bringing people out, you know, that's
always a really really fun time, beautiful time, you know,

(01:41:05):
very different to the rest of the country. When you
get to snow on the ground around the business. It's
I don't know, there's so many Prince Harry coming out
with Roy's member. I've got married and had kids in
the time we've been here. It's just too many really.

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
Yeah, and so and what we you miss the most
about it when when you when you leave and where
are you going?

Speaker 11 (01:41:24):
Well, we're going to stay local with a family. We're
going to stay living here, but we actually plan to
preps travel around Australia for a year when we get
the time and everything sorted. Just once again, like the
memories of owning it. That will be the sad thing
for me, not owning it. But it is time for us,
this time for us to go.

Speaker 2 (01:41:42):
So a lot of people are obviously looking at this.
And as soon as I saw that it was on
the market, the Katrona Hotel, I texted my I text
my partner, I said, we should buy this, We should
we should move there. There's a really romantic idea of it.
You move there, you become a member of the community,
you serve people at such an iconic place. But how
hard is it to actually run something like the Kadrona Hotel,

(01:42:02):
Because I imagine the romantic idea of it. The rubber
hits the road pretty soon, and there's quite a lot
of hard work involved.

Speaker 11 (01:42:09):
Yeah, there's not not mean like for your feed up
drinking and wine in front of the fire. It's oh,
it's hard. It's been grunt of a business these days.
We've nearly got fifty staff all year round. You know,
in the old days, winter was bigger than summer. Now
summ's bigger than winter. I'm looking out the office window
at the moment and the place is fall to the
brim of skiers. But was always got a great, great vibe,

(01:42:30):
super positive place to work and community to enjoy. But
it's a I'm a hands on person. This is the
way I've always run it. And it's yeah, it's just consuming,
like any hospital business. But that's that's what a lot
of people thrive on, you know, and the right person
will just continue on like I have. Really it's it's

(01:42:50):
you know, there's good days in bed days, but that's
any business, right.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
Yeah, So what would you be main advice be for
the for the new owners when you when you hand
over the keys, what.

Speaker 11 (01:42:59):
Did the staff say, come on, push, push, you know,
work hard with work card with a smile. I think
you know that's probably the big thing. Just keep working.
I mean, you know, and sometimes you know, the best
decisions that you make I can make here in the
day sometimes aren't the best decision for me of the
best decision for the pub, you know, and you know,
in a long term vision, and sometimes you know that

(01:43:20):
that may not even be the best decision for the
business on that day. But I'm always taking a long
term due. I think that's probably listening good Steed over
the years.

Speaker 3 (01:43:28):
Yeah, so I've met and his partner. I want to
make an offer. How long have they got to present
their offer to your kid?

Speaker 20 (01:43:34):
Well?

Speaker 11 (01:43:34):
Expression Adventures closed on the fifteenth of Augress, so you
know you've got to get your offer in by then
it's plenty of homework to do.

Speaker 2 (01:43:41):
Have you got have you got a number in mind?

Speaker 11 (01:43:44):
I've got a number of mine.

Speaker 3 (01:43:47):
It's an ulterior motive here. He just wanted to try
and screw you down on it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
Just by the way you say that, it sounds like
a bigger number than I've got.

Speaker 11 (01:43:55):
I can't believe how popular it's been. I just looking
trade me in like thirty three thousands. Yeah, wow, about
ten thousand hits on our the website we've built for
the sale, you know, so forty thousand, That's that's what
I'm taking of that. There's a lot of emails coming in.
There's a huge amount of interest from the right people too.

Speaker 17 (01:44:10):
That is great.

Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
Well, that's a testament to not only the history of
the pub and it's iconic nature, but how well you've
run it for the last twelve twelve years, because it's
it's only growing and it's influenced across the country since
you've been there. So something for you to be very
proud of.

Speaker 11 (01:44:23):
Oh, thank you very much. It's very kind.

Speaker 3 (01:44:26):
Kate, all the very best, and thanks very much for
having to act.

Speaker 11 (01:44:29):
With us, no worries, thank you for your.

Speaker 3 (01:44:31):
Time, all right, go well, that is Caid Thornson, the
current owner of the Katrona Hotel and Pub, currently up
for sale, and if you want to make a bit,
you've got to get in by the fifteenth of August.
Go Hi, go hi.

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
I'm just texting him a number now.

Speaker 3 (01:44:46):
It's going to be too likely already, but we want
to have a chat to you. I mean, look, if
you're if you've had a look at the Kadrona Hotel
and you actually think you could take ownership of it,
love to hear from you on oh, eight hundred and
eighty teen eighty, But just in general, that romantic idea
of buying something like the Kadrona Hotel, a boutique Airbnb?
How did it go for you if you went down
that lifestyle?

Speaker 1 (01:45:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:45:07):
Well, and you know what's the difference, how do is
when the rubber hits the road. You've bought the romantic,
the morantic idea of a business, and then you find
yourself working there twenty four hours a day. If I
do buy it and we move down there, me and
my partner, you'll have to move down as well, Tyler, Yes,
because we'll have to set up the studio at the back. Perfect,
So it's a big decision for you as well.

Speaker 3 (01:45:26):
I'll be a lifty in the at the nighttime and
then coming for the radio show in the afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:45:30):
Perfect. You'll be cleaning the toilets when you're not on here.

Speaker 3 (01:45:32):
Yeah, I'm not above that. It is nineteen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:45:36):
Come in chat with the lads On eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. Matt Heathan Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:45:42):
Said, be very good afternoon. We are loosely talking about
the Cotrona hotel. It's up for sale. But the idea
of that romantic boutique accommodational business. If you've made that
decision and purchased something like that, with the idea of
living in that rural lifestyle and serving the locals and
all that good stuff that we think it is love
to hear from you, because we imagine it is absolutely

(01:46:05):
hard graft as well. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the to call.

Speaker 2 (01:46:10):
Stay welcome to the show.

Speaker 19 (01:46:12):
Thanks guys. What a fantastic opportunity for someone. I've been
there several every time we've been down there, and we've
only the last five years start going down to that
neck of the Woods, but we might have been there
four or five times. It's just it feels like it's

(01:46:33):
it's a natural part of New Zealand with so much history.
I mean, it's got the accommodation an it's on it
as well, but when you walk in the door, you
immediately feel as if you're welcome. It's it's the ambience
of the place is unbelievable. The the staff are second

(01:46:59):
to none. The the outlook, I mean the car out
the front of an.

Speaker 2 (01:47:05):
Icon, Hey what is that car? It was mean to
ask what that what that car is? Specifically? Do you know?

Speaker 19 (01:47:12):
I think I think I don't quote me on this,
but it might be a model A.

Speaker 21 (01:47:17):
Yeah, right, it's very suit in an old ere.

Speaker 19 (01:47:21):
Yeah, it's just everybody takes their photo whether you go inside.
You've got all the money on the ceilings, you've got
the hot fire again, the mulled wine on offer, great
pub food. I can't speak highly enough of it, and
I'd still keep going. If I had the wheel, I'd
be in there like a shot because it's just it's

(01:47:45):
an incredible It almost reminds me of and I haven't
been to an English pub, but it's that sort of
vibe that you may feel welcome, you're are part of
your family. I was even talking to the I think
it might have been Kate's wife who came from out there.
Could have would reduce she used to live up here
in Wellington. But yeah, I talked to her and she

(01:48:10):
just sat down with us and just shot the breeze
with us and told us about the place and what
was around the place and what have you. You can
go outside, you can stay inside. There's all sorts of
different different things you can do. There's a couple of
different bars you can attend. It's just it's an unbelievable
Well it's not just a pub, it's an experience.

Speaker 5 (01:48:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:48:32):
Absolutely, When I'm there, I always think about what it
was like one hundred and sixty two years ago, because
it's fantastic now, but when it was first build, that
would have been a grim area. Are you coming through
and been riding being pulled through the snow by some drysdales.

Speaker 3 (01:48:46):
You would have had a massive, massive beer and those.

Speaker 2 (01:48:49):
Dust off your jacket. Knock on the door. You're probably
the only person coming through for the last week. Get
yourself a whiskey by the fire. But yeah, there's something
about those low ceiling old pubs that just so warm
inside and so on, so inviting. Thank you so much
for your call, Steve.

Speaker 3 (01:49:04):
Sharon, you own a boutique BnB.

Speaker 15 (01:49:07):
Yeah, that's right, I do. It's a bit unique, well
kind of, because we're kind that we're completely off the grid,
but and we live in Auckland, which is not always
the most common thing. Usually they're more way out than
we are.

Speaker 1 (01:49:24):
But a lot of.

Speaker 15 (01:49:24):
People come here to learn about living off the grid
and being self sufficient and all that sort of thing.
And we have international guests who come here specifically for that.
And yeah, it's hard. We've been doing it for sixteen years,
but I do really like it. They're lovely people and
it's an interesting life. But it's hard work.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
Whereabouts, is it, Sharon? And how can people get hold
of you to come and stay there?

Speaker 15 (01:49:51):
Oh? Well, we're did a Facebook page. We are called
kuyperer Views Eco Lodge. So we overlook the Kuiper obviously,
So we're north of north of Adamsville and south of
Welsford on are just off State's Highway sixteen a couple
of kilometers, but we're set in the bush. We have

(01:50:13):
Native Kiwis at times beautiful bird life, Towey's and all
that sort of thing, and people come here to rest
and relax, and yeah, it's good. I enjoy it. I
can provide meals whatever they want to do.

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
How much work is that, though, Sharon? How much?

Speaker 15 (01:50:30):
Well, it can be a lot of If you've got
back to back bookings and say they're just staying one night,
it can be quite a lot of work because obviously
you've got to make the beds, make sure work being's clean, tidy,
all that sort of thing. And you know, I like
to meet my guests so they don't just walk in
on their own.

Speaker 12 (01:50:45):
That's just me.

Speaker 15 (01:50:47):
So I need to be here. But I provide an
afternoon tea when they arrive, and then they might have
to do dinner for them if they've ordered that. So yeah,
it can be interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
To say, oh, thank you so much for your call, Sharon.

Speaker 3 (01:50:59):
Yeah, what a great story.

Speaker 2 (01:51:00):
Of romantic idea. But there's a bit of work to
be done.

Speaker 3 (01:51:02):
Absolutely, So.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
I got the name of the horses right, Clydesdale. Were
a bunch of people texting Desdale's or de People not
know what Clodesdale's horses are.

Speaker 3 (01:51:10):
I don't know, that's what you said, right, I don't
think you questioned what species of horse.

Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
Clydesdale's are those massive horses with the with the fluffy,
fluffy hoofs, the fluffy hoofs.

Speaker 3 (01:51:21):
Yeah, beautiful looking horses.

Speaker 2 (01:51:23):
Famous, famous for dragging stuff through Central Otago back in
the day when the Coudrona pub firstub been.

Speaker 3 (01:51:32):
Absolute work horses literally, and a few people teaching about
the car as well. Apparently it's a sixty two Chrysler.

Speaker 2 (01:51:38):
Sixty two Chrysler.

Speaker 3 (01:51:39):
Yeah, that means not much to me, apart from it
is a very.

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
Beautiful made It looks a lot older than a sixty
two Chrysler to me.

Speaker 3 (01:51:46):
That's just what the Tex machines is. And you know
the Tex machine is always right.

Speaker 2 (01:51:49):
Oh did I say Drysdale?

Speaker 17 (01:51:51):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:51:51):
Yeah? He d Dowe.

Speaker 2 (01:51:53):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, I got it. I mean
Clydesdale Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, as per usual, it was
me that got it wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:51:58):
Yeah, could you know carry but yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:52:02):
Want to mean those Clydesdale's. You've seen them in the
spates heads.

Speaker 3 (01:52:05):
Yeah right, it is ten to four oh one hundred
and eighty. Ten eighty is the number to call. Yeah, actually,
let's we'll get Paul.

Speaker 2 (01:52:12):
In get Paul, because this is actually a significant thing
that we forgot Paul, Kadrina. There is something that the
new owners need to be aware of the Kadrina Hotel.

Speaker 4 (01:52:21):
That's right room six. Is Jimmy Patterson, the old publican
from the you know, around about the war and afterwards,
was the publican in the fifties. And as a little boy,
I would go at Mom and Dad over the Crown Range.
If you're heading towards one, I hear, you got two beers.
If you're heading towards Queenstown, you got one. Anyway, I

(01:52:43):
went down there and I've got I mentioned this to
the lady and she says, oh, Jimmy Patterson, we'll give
you his old part of the hotel. So it's room six.
So I go in there and I wasn't drunk. And anyway,
I wake up in the morning, halfway through the early
morning to have a pee, and I heard the sound,
you know, like an old man strutting to put.

Speaker 5 (01:53:05):
His shoes on.

Speaker 15 (01:53:07):
Ah, you know like that.

Speaker 4 (01:53:09):
All the time, I thought, who the hell's are must ruin,
you know, and there was no one there. Anyway, I
thought nothing of it. So I go out in the
morning and I mentioned to the lady and she said, oh,
Jimmy's back. He hasn't been here for a few months.
The fact that you knew it must be means you
came back. Now, I've been ridiculed by when I tell

(01:53:30):
the story, but I know what I heard, and she's
the lady said, oh, yeah, Jimmy's part of the hotel.
Jimmy's back. And she mentioned people have had skis rattle,
you know, and there's no wind and anyway, I've never
heard of a ghost turfing anyone.

Speaker 2 (01:53:48):
Yes, with the ghost for some people, just something that
people need to know. It comes with a bonus ghost.

Speaker 3 (01:53:53):
Yeah, exactly right. We've got to play some messages, but
beag very shortly. It is eight to four the.

Speaker 1 (01:53:58):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.
It be news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:54:08):
There's five to four prop are mere copas to fit
mere coppers to finish the show, and we don't have
another one. How I said that, but it wasn't. It's
a ninety twenty eight Crysler Model sixty two that was
out the front. Sorry, Drona hotel, massive cockup. And you know,
obviously I missed up and I said Drysdale instead of
Clydesdale for the horses. As this Texas says, Bruce can't

(01:54:29):
see the mirror of totong are dragging a wagon around
that joint one hundred and sixty two years ago. That's
a very good point. So the couple couple of mistakes there,
it's where we're in, not where we start. Yeah, as
long as we creak those things absolutely, But what a
fantastic show it's been. Thank you so much for all
your great New Zealanders for listening to the show. Thanks
so much for all your calls and texts. We've had
a great time chatting. I hope you have too. The
Matt and Tyler Afternoons podcast will be out in about

(01:54:50):
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But Tyler, right now, why and wh playing this song.

Speaker 3 (01:55:09):
I had to shuzam this one. The White Stripes Hotel
your b gadrona hotel up for sale. Get in there,
sell everything you've got, make an.

Speaker 2 (01:55:19):
Offer, such a great song, such a great hotel. Thanks
for listening everyone, See you tomorrow AVO. Until then, give
them a taste of keeping from us.

Speaker 3 (01:55:25):
Love yours you.

Speaker 28 (01:55:30):
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Speaker 1 (01:55:55):
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