Full Show Podcast: 08 November 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Welcome into the Mattin Tyler Afternoons podcast. Met he had
to shoot off he has seen a very important event,
the Apprentice of the Year, big rehearsals for that show,
so just me giving you a week preview. On today's show. Friday,
we had topical tunes, as we always do on Friday,
Matt picked a real wounder of a song. Absolute disgusting

(00:40):
behavior from him, but you're going to want to have
a listen to that one. After two o'clock we talked
about social media. Ozzie's want to kick off kids under
sixteen from social media, so we had some good chat
about is that even possible? A lot of parents rang
up about the woes they have with their kids and
social media. And after one o'clock men males, young boys

(01:02):
not going to university. That was the big chat and
bloody interesting. I've got to say, some deep discussion on
why young men are not going to university and want
to get into a trade mostly money. But that was
the show today, So have a great weekend. Hey, if
you're down in Dunedin, go to the beer fest and
give media hard time because he'll be there. And I'm

(01:22):
going to go find a portable AIRCN system because I
can't deal with this Aukland heat.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
All right, have a good weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
So yeah, your new home for insightful and entertaining talk.
It's Mattie and Tyler Adams afternoons on News Talk Savvy.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Very very good afternoon to you Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Afternoon always, so we're happy on a Friday. Geta mat Yeah,
get a Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
I'm very happy.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
I'm going down to the Dunedin Craft Beer and Food
Festival tomorrow. That is a fantastic lucky.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Bugger under the roof at forsythe BA Stadium. Yeah yeah,
what's on the agenda?

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Have you zeroed in on the beer tent that you're
going to be hanging around?

Speaker 4 (02:01):
I don't really care what particular beer I'm drinking. Yeah,
actually i am. I'm actually serving a beer. Actually, now
I think about it, what I'm talking about. I'm serving
a beer. I'm working on a beer that I was
involved in brod.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
I've got about that. It's called the Let's Get Busy.
Nice good names served.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
A lot of it last year. I was on the taps.
I brewed it with the good people at Emerson's. Good drop,
fantastic drop. I haven't tasted this year is yet. I'll
be tasting it when I get down there. But I
think it's going to because I think it's going to
call it Let's get zbe this year. Yeah, because it
was a hod Aki Radio had achi promotion last year,
but now a new still zib keep it on brands. Yeah,

(02:36):
come and come and say hello to me. If you're
down in Dunedin and you had beer Fist on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
You've also got a big night tonight. Actually yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
I'm hosting and this is a fantastic thing and it
plays into what we're going to be talking about this hour.
But I'm hosting the National Apprentice of the Year twenty
twenty four Awards, where you where we celebrate the best
apprentices in the country building apprentices and these are amazingly
talented young people.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Hosted it last.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
Year as well, and boy, oh boy, I'm not handy.
I'm not handy at all. I can't fix anything. To
see these young people that just can build, I'm just
so impressed by them, and I'm so impressed by anyone
that can do that. And all apprenticeship program's fantastic, but
to be the elite elite apprentice apprentices is such a

(03:25):
great awards.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Dinner there the best of us.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Have you ever tried to do a bit of diy
at home and it's just horribly wrong?

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Constantly? Yeah, and wors doesn't it? It hurts. I'm going
to say this as a man of the household.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
It hurts when I try and fix something and that's
not even that complicated, and yet I still cock it up.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
I know, I was trying to put in a lock
the other day and not like a complex lock, you know,
just like a sliding lock, and I just messed it
up so badly and then I had to rescrew it,
and I just started the self hatred, started the creep,
and I was just making more and more of a
mess on something that was so simple.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Just get a blokeout, That's what I've realized. Right after
a quick preview for the rest of the show, after
three o'clock, it is Friday. That means typical tunes. To
finish off the show. This is where Matt and Night
each pick a song related to a theme of the week.
It's a little bit tenure with sometimes, and I think
I've got the win.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Off for me. It's not now. I'm currently up three
to one to you. You think you've got the winner?

Speaker 2 (04:18):
I do, Yeah, yeah, I thought long and hard about
this one.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Good luck, good luck. I've got.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
My topic is Amish people, and I think that is
gonna rip through the phone lines on eight hundred and
eighty ten eight lot of Armish fans out there in
New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, all right, I'll take you with it.

Speaker 5 (04:34):
That one.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
That's after three point thirty.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
And we've also got New Zealander of the Week after
three as well.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
Yeah, as we do every Friday on Matt and Tyler.
Afternoons on ZB we announce the New Zealand of the week.
Who's it gonna be?

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Woo after two o'clock. Australia are trying to ban social
media for under sixteen. So the social media companies, as
you can imagine, have rejected that. They say, nah, we're
not keen on that. But if the Australian government tries
to bring in in.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Will it really make a difference.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
We'll sixteen year olds, all fifteen year olds just bypass
it anyway, that's what kids do well.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
Currently the rules are for TikTok and Instagram and such
as thirteen under thirteen, so you have to be over
thirteen to enroll, but so very easily circumvented.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Yeah. Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
It's like when you go to one of those alcohol
selling websites and ask you your age.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
It's like an open gate flapping. Are you eighteen? Yes? Easy,
you're true?

Speaker 6 (05:29):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
I mean personally, I think, and we'll go into this,
that it would be fantastic for brains and for mental
health for young people if they weren't on social media
at all, but particularly under sixteen, I think would be
a fantastic thing.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
But how do you police that?

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, that's after two o'clock because right now we do
want to talk about young men going to university. The
numbers are certainly dropping off. This is on the bank
of a school about XS and enrollments at Otago Medical School.
But one of the quotes in this story is what
we're interested in. This is Professor Peter Crampton, a public
health specialist at Otago, who said there were positive trends,

(06:06):
but there was still significant work to be done in
terms of enrollment. He said women now made up nearly
two thirds of all enrollments in health professional programs, and
he said, I quote, I think that the gender balance
and tertiary education is worth thinking very carefully about, because
at what point do we as a society become concerned
by the relative underrepresentation of young men in tertiary education.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
It's a great quote.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
Yeah, young men aren't going to university, But why one
hundred at eighty ten eighty are you worried about it?
Do we need our men to go through tertiary education
or do they just need to go into work and
do sensible things like as I was talking before, apprenticeships,
or are they just mucking around and playing video games
at home and doomscing in social media and watching them
live slip away from them?

Speaker 2 (06:51):
What's your take on it? Why don't you think young
men are going to university and the same numbers as
they used to?

Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yeah, I'm not sure because they haven't really been involved
in the universities for a while. Although I have a
son that's come up to university age. I wonder if
it's seen as a slightly hostile environment for them. I
wonder if they think they can just leaven every thing
on YouTube. I wonder if you're looking forward, you wonder
our universities really if the careers that you follow that
you're going to vest so much money and are actually
going to play out to be even exist in the future. Yeah,

(07:21):
I mean, I think I think there's probably probably a
lot of reasons about it around it, But why are
females still going to university in such big numbers?

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah, that's that. I think that is the big of
a question.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
But if I look at when I left school and
it was kind of seeing if you didn't know what
you were going to do, then the advice was just
go to university and you'll figure it out in the
first year. You know, you do a paper that can
be utilized in general life. It might not be what
you do for a career, but it's a good start
and when you're there and in that learning environment, you'll
start to talk to people and then figure out what

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you're passionate about. That was kind of the advice. That
advice has vastly changed, and I think a lot of
these graduates are coming out thinking they're going to make
bank and be on a high salary and they're just not.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Yeah, I think if I was a.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
Young man these days, I might look at it and
go get a trade, get an apprenticeship, and then go
and get a van, hire some people and make a business.
You know, as I grow older, I think that might
be a path I'd be looking at rather than I mean,
it's crazy to do what I did, which is I
didn't have any plans, so I went in and got
a Bachelor of Arts that was no use to anyone

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in clearing myself, and then spent years paying off a
pointless debt.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
I eight hundred eighty ten eighty love your thoughts on
this one. Nine two nine two is the text number.
It's thirteen past one.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
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Speaker 7 (08:43):
Sa'd be.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Sixteen past one. Very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
We're talking about why young men in particular are not
going to university in the same numbers or tertiary education
for that matter. This is on the back of a
story this morning that's said and I quote that woman
now made up nearly two thirds of all enrollments in
health professional programs, which is a big number. Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call
get a Morris.

Speaker 8 (09:07):
If you go back twenty twenty five years ago, the
number of males attending university now would have been the
same as what it was then. Because if you had
a brain intelligence educated you with YEARNI, if you're like
a large horse and mail blokes, you've got you've got
a man's job which can build a trade mechanic and
all that sort of stuff, and you'd have to compare it,
you know, it's like a survey area. You don't compare

(09:29):
apples to apples. And if you look at it, they'd
done down universities, was it about twenty twenty.

Speaker 9 (09:35):
Five years ago? Everyone went.

Speaker 10 (09:38):
You end up the whole.

Speaker 8 (09:38):
Lot of debt and a fifty thousand dollars year job.
You can become a trade paid while you study, come
out you're on eighty ninety for grand you know, become
self impoyed and so you look at it. I think
the blokes have just actually taken a practical what's the
benefit of garing to university?

Speaker 4 (09:56):
Yeah, I remember when I went to university, I had
some friends that went into trades and they were, they
were making money.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
They had the nice cars and shouted the drinks here.
It was frustrating. Yeah, whereas I was broken living in
a hovel.

Speaker 8 (10:10):
You look at it now. So I went to university
because I was a Maori. I didn't have yui, but
there was a quotas and I was playing rubb me
down in christ you until I got an on the
married quota scheme. And I did a degree. I did
a business commerce with double major. Did it all because
I was paid to do it. Put my head down,
knuckle down and come out with a degree.

Speaker 7 (10:30):
But I've never used it all right.

Speaker 8 (10:32):
And I come from a farming background, and right nowadays,
what am I doing with farming? You know? And I
did a degree in commerce and I think the only
thing I've ever used is that I did a business
plan once or twice.

Speaker 11 (10:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
It's interesting though, because arguably you meet people at university
that might change your life, even if you don't follow
through get your degree. And like I did, I never
use my degrees at all. In fact, I didn't unroll
my degree until about two years ago, and I put it.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
On the wall for a joke.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
But I did meet a lot of great people and
the career i'm and now came accidentally out of that
and I never would have met those people. Sure, if
it was worth the huge debt I got into doing it.
But there is a community around a university that can
be useful.

Speaker 9 (11:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (11:17):
I think the biggest thing is that you said that
you hit a nail on the head. The amount of
dick your gebt And if you want to buy a house,
I recommend you don't go to university. Yeah, you know,
because you can't say that you come out with, you know,
sixty eighty thousand bucks with a debt depending on what
you're doing, and you're not going in with the big money.
My daughter, her mother convinced her to be a lawyer.
I think she wants too much of l a law.

Speaker 12 (11:40):
You know.

Speaker 8 (11:40):
I object. And she went there and she did the
first year and she got accepted for the second year,
and I said, you know, you're not going to make
much money. She says, what do you mean. I said, well,
I reduced a couple of lawyers. So I introduced it
to a friend mine. He was a patent attorney is
now retired. She said, when did you start making money?
He said, oh, I was fifty two. He said, I
was on minimum.

Speaker 9 (11:59):
Wage till end because I was working.

Speaker 13 (12:01):
Sixty hours a lot.

Speaker 14 (12:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (12:03):
Yeah, she comes, she said, I'm not doing that, and
so then she changed degree insteader of doing law. The
second year, she went into hr whold of health and
safety stuff and you changed from walking inverted a messy,
cut the costs back of what it was costing.

Speaker 6 (12:16):
Here.

Speaker 8 (12:17):
Now she's living in Australia, she's on one hundred and
sixty grand a year and working in that environment. And
she sit there and goes, you know, why would on
always four years at law and then spend another eight
years trying to get decent money?

Speaker 13 (12:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, yeah, no, good cool, Morris. I mean, just to
your point on meeting great people, wasn't it mark Ellis
that spent you know, multiple years at Otago University just
because he loved it. He loved the lifestyle, loved the
student drinking culture, loved all of that.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
Mark ellis great news the end of he's loved the
Tago University culture so much. He's just brought into the
Highland as again so he can spend some more time
down there in the zoo.

Speaker 15 (12:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty as the
number to call it is bang on twenty past one.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Digging into the issues that affect you the My Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 16 (13:00):
The jobless rate is still to rise, Yes it is,
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Speaker 3 (13:08):
I had a number of doctors over the year. I
couldn't kill this who they are.

Speaker 16 (13:10):
Couldn't get a manned woman I've had Asian. I mean,
what's it matter? How is it You couldn't get National
across the line on this?

Speaker 7 (13:16):
Why is it dead?

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Essentially?

Speaker 12 (13:18):
I think the National Party are afraid of taking on
part issues. That's why I never joined the National Party.

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Speaker 2 (13:30):
Twenty three past one.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
There's a massive disparity between males and females and tertiary
education now in New Zealand, and boys are not going
to university and the numbers that they used to.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Why is that.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
We've We've got a stat that Tuger University it's now
over sixty percent female.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yeah, at the university, David, your thoughts on this?

Speaker 6 (13:53):
Yeah, Hi, guys, look at the worldwide phenom rum two.
Apparently it's not just us that's in the States, the
UK executly the same proportions, you know two thirds. One said,
you've got a good of a theory when you raise
this to like, I've been on to Google and I
do have a degree and I've got a double major sighting.

(14:13):
So so I thought, I just see what Google has
to say, got myself, it's confused, chucked it away, as
often happens. Look, what I go back to is my
gut reaction. And if you know about the you've heard
of the vegas nerve, which we all have, which goes
from the gut to the brain. The vegas nerve tells

(14:34):
me that it's a blink of an eye. Evolutionary turns.
Just be with the thirty seconds. It's a blink that
I from the time that we were Neandertholdiers, we became
homo erect us, we're now Homo sapiens. It's a blink
of It's a fraction of a second in terms of
the burns of the years have been here, and you

(14:54):
may have noticed that men that women tend to have
babies and men don't tend to have babies. Yes, no,
it's weird, isn't it. Mate of the time that's reversed,
but at the moment it's up to the male. And
we had to chat last week about mongrel and the

(15:15):
saber tooth tiger coming into the cave. It's still an
our DNA and RNA for the male to protect the
female now, because if you don't protect your mate, your
female mate, she won't produce the ears that you need
to prolong your lineage. And the best way with increasing

(15:36):
financial times in twenty twenty four financial difficulties is for
a male to go out. It's in our DNA, it's
and the guts to go out and you get as
much money as you can to make a home into
which you can put the female to produce your ears now.
And lastly, sorry for comparing with thing. The best way

(15:58):
you can do it these days is to get a job.
We use your hands more than your brain and it's wide,
you know. You put across Australia and work on the
mines and get millions and bucks from a few years,
so to speak. It's the males need built in to
his DNA to provide quick money to protect, to find

(16:24):
a making to protect the protect the maid and you
can do that best by manual job rather than sitting
through four years and university.

Speaker 15 (16:33):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
It's funny you mentioned that David is because as my
dad for all of us, I've got two brothers, older
and youngest. I'm the middle child. But dad is an
electrician spark. He's still working part time, but he's run
his own business. And he said, I don't want you
kids working with your hands. Go and go and use
your brain. Get a job where you use your brain.
And I don't know, I mean he thought that was
good advice at the time, and love your dad if

(16:54):
you're listening. But today in twenty twenty four, whether that's
still good advice, I don't know. It is for some kids.
But for others who are going out to become plumbers
and electricians, they earned well far better coin now, aren't they.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
Yeah, well, you're using your hands. But if you're going
to be actrician, you have to be very smart.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Yeah, you've got to use your brain.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
From that electrician is an a plumber. You have to
be smart to do to do all those all those things,
all the trades. There's a lot of smarts in there. Yeah,
But evolutionary thing is interesting because we are ruled by
our evolution and why we as you know, we think
we're not, but we are, and the decisions we make
are so ruled by evolution. And David brings up that
interesting point that when you look back at the history

(17:33):
of men and women over over our evolution, humans very
very hard to fight off a sabertooth tiger when you're
pregnant and you've got a baby on your on your hip.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yep. So we've been in a good partnership for a
long time, men and woman.

Speaker 7 (17:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. It is twenty seven pass one headlines on
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Speaker 3 (19:11):
Thank you, Rayleen.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
It's twenty nine to two.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
We're talking about the gender disparity at universities now with
far more females going to UNI than males. And we're
talking to David before and he was saying this is
a global thing. And a while back I interviewed a
guy called Richard V. Reeves who wrote the Book of
Boys and Men. Why the modern male is struggling, why
it matters and what to do about it.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
It's a fantastic book. He's a professor at.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
Harvard and I asked him the question, you know, why
are males struggling morning society? And this sort of said
to me? He said, boys and men are further behind
girls and women in education than they were ahead in
the nineteen seventies. There's been a reversal of the gender
gap here in the US, New Zealand, Australia and the UK,
and it's growing fast. We've also seen a decline in
the traditional male jobs and manufacturing and heavy industry, and
haven't seen much of a move into new jobs in

(20:01):
areas like health and education. Men are being benched by
changes in the labor market, particularly globalization and automation. We're
also seeing arise in the number of kids being raised
without fathers. I think that's because we've changed the economic
basis for the family and ways that are positive, because
we've seen women becoming more much more economic and independent,
but we haven't recast fatherhood for this new world. These
changes leave a lot of young men dislocated, disorientated, and

(20:24):
lacking a script to follow. We have problems around isolation,
mental health and medication, and of course high suicide rates
among young men. So we have interested you know, there
was obviously things that we wanted to even up between
men and women. But you know, people are starting to say,
now there is a serious problem with men and when
it comes to tertiary education, men aren't going into that.

(20:46):
But it's that a good or a bad thing. Because
if they're going into an apprenticeship or a trade, then
I'm happy with that. But if they're sitting around at
home doom scrolling social media, addicted to blue material and
playing video games and going nowhere, getting into drugs and
drinking too much the end, that's a bad thing.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, But that's why they gravitate to people like Andrew
Tate right and Jordan Peterson, because they are giving them
a message that there's nothing wrong with you and you
just need to do these things and you'll succeed in
life and being alpha male and all that sort of stuff.
But there's clearly is there's a profound issue with young
men at the moment. Nathan, what's your take on it?

Speaker 11 (21:22):
Yeah, Gillo, lads, I've got two points. That's a really
interesting piece you just read and I think to a
certain degree men not being men anymore in the traditional
sense of going to going to work, and typically male
roles has an issue with some of those things around
mental health and all of that sort of stuff. But

(21:44):
the point that I was going to raise was going
to be didn't the government a we while ago when
we had a big shortage and tradees roll out and
apprenticeship scheme where there was some funding and support for
businesses taking on apprentices Yeah, there was not of the
details of that that may have that may have directed
a whole heap of people more recently into trades. But

(22:09):
my story, I did three degrees at university, I spent
six and a half years there, and I'm a trade now.
I came out of university with a master's degree and
couldn't get more than fifty grand. So how you pay
off alone after six and a half years on that
kind of money, particularly in the current environment, I don't

(22:31):
know why you do it. You can make more money
as an unqualified like hammerhand, so yeah, don't Maybe it's
just a bit of common sense coming back into the
into the space where guys are like, well, I can
do better for myself if I go down the trade route, I.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Think, Sorry, Nathan, what did you study at university?

Speaker 11 (22:56):
I did a master's in business sustainability and undergrad and
international sorry post grad and international business, and an undergrad
and marketing and public relations.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Did any of that help you?

Speaker 4 (23:08):
Even though you didn't go directly into that area, did
any of it help you?

Speaker 3 (23:12):
And has it helped you in your life in any way?

Speaker 19 (23:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (23:15):
Being self employed, I mean all of that helps running
my own business from a marketing perspective and comms and
you know, a degree in business is pretty helpful too,
So yeah, totally. I mean, it certainly hasn't been a
wasted qualification, But as far as trying to get a
job coming out of university with all of those qualifications
in any of those fields, certainly certainly didn't give me

(23:39):
the hands up that I thought it was going to.
That's why I did a master's was to try and
get ahead, and it just didn't.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Did you think too?

Speaker 11 (23:46):
When I was at school, everyone sold the dream, you know,
from a career's perspective, that university was the way to go.
This was how you got a job and got ahead
of the crowd. But it just it just didn't turn
out to be the case, and I think maybe my
generation is now having kids and doing that sort of thing,
and maybe we'll see people like I would try and

(24:07):
get any of my kids if I have them, men
or women, probably into the trades. Yeah, because I think
the rest of it's been overdone.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
Yeah, it was definitely sold, wasn't it that at one
point that for economic growth and for individuals that going
to university was a thing you needed to do, and
the stats of how many people going to university, if
we got them up, then it was better for the
country and better for everyone. But it didn't really pan
out that way, did it, Because then you have if
everyone's going to university, then you don't have a competitive advantage,

(24:38):
and people aren't doing all the jobs they need to do,
especially since people go to university and don't necessarily do
the courses that lead specifically to jobs. I mean, we've
talked about a lot in using over years how many
engineers we need, but not everyone's doing that. And if
you're an idiot like me, you go to university and
get a degree in philosophy and run up a.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
Huge student yet, which is just a waste of everyone's time.

Speaker 11 (25:03):
Yeah, totally, I think too. Though at school it was
you if you were going to go into a trade,
if you dropped out in the sixth form or whatever,
and when and did a trade, you were seen as
the dumb one.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Well yeah, a lot of my.

Speaker 11 (25:15):
Mates that went and did trades, they all owned houses
before I finished university. Yeah, you know, coming out with
a fifty sixty thousand dollars loan and they've got more
than that saved for a deposit.

Speaker 18 (25:28):
You know.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
So basically what you're saying is, ironically, the smart people
don't go to university.

Speaker 8 (25:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Well yeah, Nate, thank you very much, thanks for giving
us a buzz just on that. I mean, do you
think it is still ingrained that men feel they need
to be the provider, so they chase where they can
get the most money to bring home the bacon, so
to speak, and women, I want to hear, we want
to hear from you whether that is still you know, I.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
Can only speak Tyler from a male perspective, because that's
what I am. But when we had our first child,
and I just looked at that child and thought, I
need to provide for this little guy because no one
else can. I need to get him a house to
live in I need to make.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
Sure life's good.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Little Charlie who just had an exam today. Actually, yeah,
I suddenly my whole life made sense, and for me
from a male perspective, I don't know the female perspective,
but I was finally, oh, that's what I need to do.
I need to I've been messing around doing all these
other things, but that's what I needed to do. I
needed to look after this and which was a huge
amount of struggle. I knew at that point I was

(26:30):
going to have a whole lot of worry and it
was going to be really, really tough and hard. But
having that purpose was so great for me because I
finally worked it out and say, oh, I get it. Yeah,
that's what my thing.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
That's why I'm here to look after this little guy.
This is great. Yeah, so I don't know, it definitely
aligned with my evolution. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty females listeners
love to hear from you. How do you feel about this?
I mean, is this sort of the part of the
reason why there is that gender divide is that primarily
men want to chase money and be the provider and
women want to chase their passion. Is that what it
comes down to.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
Well, yeah's owned a lot of Yeah, I mean, and
we've got to say, for sure, it's fantastic that women
are doing well and that women have more opportunities than
they used to have. That is absolutely fantastic, But we
want everyone to succeed. Yeah, a male female whatever, this
absolutely Craig, how are you?

Speaker 8 (27:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (27:25):
Good God, I'm by no means an academic and I've
never made it at university, so I went into the trade.
But I think there's also a problem, and it's been
a societal problem probably for the last definitely for the
last thirty years, has definitely rapping up agin or minority

(27:45):
groups and that kind of thing, whether it be sexuality
or whatever it is. At universities seem to be celebrated.
To our education system, boys aren't allowed to be boys, yeah,
in the sense of the russ and tumble at primary
school and that kind of thing. And I just think
bloaks are sick of it. They've been sh tom now

(28:09):
for well a couple of decades at least, and they're
think of it. So why carry on? And universities seem
to be the spokesperson for these marginal groups if you like,
and I think they're done. I think bloats are done,
and so they go to the trades where they can

(28:30):
escape that crack. I mean, if universities were like they
were I guess a few years ago, the smartest way,
and they learned their occupation or their their medical or
their law or whatever, and that's all they did, and
they specialized in that. I think they have just as
many blokes coming.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Yeah, and there is actually a real risk if men
decide that society doesn't like them, doesn't want them. There's
a if you ever check them out. He's a great
writer and podcaster. A go called professor Scott Gallawa out
of the States, and he said the worst societies and
the societies that go off the rails the worst. And
when you have a cohort of young men that don't

(29:08):
feel engaged in society, don't have partners, don't participate in society,
that is where societies go off the rail because they'll
find a place to unleash the energy. So for the
for the good of all of society, you have to
find things for young males to do that are productive.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Yeah, well, said oh eighte hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Love to hear your thoughts on this one. It is
nineteen to two.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Mattie Tyler Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on
matt Even Tyler Adams afternoons us talk.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
The'd be afternoon, Oliver, how are you?

Speaker 9 (29:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (29:41):
Good?

Speaker 9 (29:41):
Ha bet youself?

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Yeah very good.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Now you're a young man and you're not going to
go to UNI indeed.

Speaker 15 (29:46):
So I'm year twelve at the moment, and I've done
my subjects a year up, so I'm just doing my
Level three exams right now, and I already have my
university entrance and I've managed to get first and second
in my year group pretty much my whole time at college.
But really it's not it's not something that is really
I'm looking at anymore. And I think that's the same

(30:08):
with a lot of my peers. And most of that
is around both how much you're actually going to earn
coming out of it and the viability of a lot
of those roles long term. Yeah, I've always sort of
wanted to be a lawyer, but I mean, money isn't terrible,
but that versus like, I mean, AI, how much that's
going to impact it? But it just may not be

(30:29):
viable longer term.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Yeah, I think about that.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
Accounting legal seriously under threat from large language models, you know,
and programming to a certain extent as well. So you know,
if you're going to invest amount of money that you
would have to and to a degree, Oliver, you're going
to end up you'll want that something to be a

(30:53):
career that you can do for twenty years, wouldn't you.

Speaker 15 (30:56):
Yeah, yeah, indeed. And it's just it's that uncertainty. So
I mean what me and a lot of others talking
to them are looking at as well. You weigh that
up versus something you think you could actually be really
passionate about, and the money is not that much different.
I'm actually looking at the becoming a police officer because
they are eighty ninety grand a year now and it's

(31:20):
fairly stable and you're always going to need them.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
Yeah, and then you can move up through the ranks
become a detective. You know, there's there's there's a path
through there. Hard hard, hard work, and good on you
for doing it. We need more cops, We need more cops.
Fantastic geez, you sound like an incredibly smart and mature
person for year twelve, Oliver.

Speaker 15 (31:40):
Thank you well, I mean, I mean, and that's sort
of that's sort of why I thought i'd called represent
That could be sort of the substrate which is expected
to go to UNI. And that's probably sort of what
my parents have expected, and I've looked to them about
it and what's generally expected. But it's just not some

(32:01):
not something I'm really looking at.

Speaker 4 (32:03):
Can see you're becoming the police commissioner at some point. Absolutely,
we definitely need you go into the police force. Someone
smart like you. I think you can make a real
difference in the community. So I thank you so much
for your call. It is interesting that because I also
look at like my kids and how much they can
learn just on YouTube. So if you want to know something,

(32:23):
because university gives you certificate certification so you can get
a job, right, But in terms of actually learning something,
if you need to learn it and understand something, you
can get everything you need to learn.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
For free on the internet out there.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
A couple of texts coming through from this is from
Rachel Didham's boys are having a rough time. Women have
had a rough time for all eternity. Men have a
couple of bad years and now we're supposed to feel
sorry for them, get over yourself. You to a pathetic Okay,
thanks very Rachel. Thanks Rachel, you seem very empathetic. But
Mary says, my sons all went into the trades and

(32:59):
so pleased they didn't go to university. They have no
debt and they're thriving.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
Yeah, very good. So oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty Brian,
how are you hi?

Speaker 19 (33:10):
I'm good, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Great to chat with you. So what's your take on this?

Speaker 19 (33:14):
I just wanted to mention my husband he was actually
in a in a religion where he wasn't allowed to
go to university and so he was kind of forced
to go into the trades and the religion was explosive Brethren, okay,
and and yeah, and that comparing his life at that

(33:38):
particular time with friends that they'd go to unie, he
was in the same or he was the opposite vote
to say Nathan who you're talking to earlier. Yeah, So
he had the money and they had the debt, and
so that worked out really well for him. And then
going forward, I studied and now I'm mum, and he

(34:04):
wouldn't have it any other way, Like if I were
stay try and go back to work, he I don't
know him providing for his family it's his purpose in life,
not like it gives him the drive to keep on going.
And yeah, it's just kind of my cake on it.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
And how do you feel about that position?

Speaker 19 (34:27):
And at the moment, at the moment, I can see,
because we've got four kids, we can't really do it
any other way. For me to go back to nursing,
it's just a impossible kind of thing. Yeah, So yeah,
I've had to take a backstep in my career, but
I can't see it happening any other way with at

(34:49):
the moment anyway.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Yeah, it is interesting though. My mum had four kids
as well.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
I was one of them, and she gave up her
career to bring us up for a long time. And look,
she's a very smart person, one of the smart ones.
I would argue, the smartest person ever met my life.
My dad's pretty smart. She's smarter than my dad. Yeah,
and he would he wouldn't argue with that. But I
think that in the end she resented that to to
to to quite quite a degree, that she she had

(35:16):
given up a lot for us kids. As much as
she loved us kids and as much as she would
not change how we how we were and having us around.
I think I think it was it was quite rough
for her going in the end. So yeah, I mean
it's a it's a that's a complex it's a complex issue.

Speaker 6 (35:35):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 19 (35:37):
No, I haven't got to that point of my life yet.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Do you think, you know, if if circumstances change and
maybe the children get a bit older, do you think
you may ever go back into nursing.

Speaker 19 (35:47):
Oh definitely, Yeah, I need, I need something you had
to me to keep me driven and whatnot, and so
yet that is always on my mind. But with my
my husband being very business orientated, it's probably likely he
would probably prefer me to to work in the field
that I am qualify. I had four that maybe take

(36:10):
on my own business for l so I can work
around the kids a bit more.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Well, great to chat with you, Brian. And last question,
is your husband still with the Exclusive Brethren?

Speaker 19 (36:21):
Oh well no, no, no, no, so he he came
out when he was eighteen, and yeah, I wouldn't be
listening to a radio if I wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yeah, good points, come for it, Brian, Thank you very much,
Thank you very much for calling.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. We'll have time for
another couple of calls.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
It is nine minutes to two.

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Speaker 21 (36:54):
Interesting subject about the center the business versus going through
the trades, etc. I've got a sort of recently to
view on some of these things because I work with
a lot of trades. But I come from an area
of a higher level of education. But I never look
at university and I'm I don't know as kids at
school that education wasn't really my thing. But the older

(37:17):
I've got, the more I've realized that actually education and
knowledge is the key to everything you do. And the
older I get, and I'm an eve of my working life,
is that the more and more I enjoy it. And
I happily go into some university subjects and probably another.
But I wouldn't have when I came out of my
at a primary school those years ago. And I've got

(37:38):
the what my idea is that and on my understanding
is that one of the best fits of counting university
is that you're learned to think. Is it challenges challenges
you on how you think, and and that's really important.
And also as an aside, that elson the future employer
that actually you've got what it takes. You've got that,
you've got the ability to think, you've got the ability

(37:59):
to learn and all of the other there's other school
sets that you won't necessarily get because you've just gone
from school into a trade. And I work, I worked
for alongside trades, and I see them often from what
I do, and I think, you know what, I'm not
sure there's a sixty year olds do you want to
be still doing it in physical work? You want the
ability to exceed that and do other things actually can

(38:21):
be smarter, but doingly be the money being easier in
the body and nothing to do this diysical things which
you'll neally you might have learned those twenty five to
three years ago, and actually you didn't ready learn much since.
So that's sort of an important part in what really
I'm becoming more aware on a social media problem. The

(38:42):
sympathized it is it it seems divosty bility to think
as at a culture, and so somebody will respond to
a statement ope an action, and they don't stop to
think that actually that's just direction has a reaction, and
that's one view, but it won't necessarily be the view
of another person because their experience will be different and

(39:03):
I'll have a different viewpoint. And it's really important in
your problem solved. You have to be able to lose.
I think, you know, I just think it's a society
was lost the ability, and part of that part of
it is because we're going to a tick box society
and building Johns. A lot of the work goes into
chick box and martiality and it.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
Stops see from yeah, thank you so much for your
for your call, Aiden, We're running out of time here,
but yeah, it is interesting also the idea of education
and learning for the joy of learning, And that's sort
of a stage I find myself in life. I do
way more study just in any given year than I
did ever at university. But yes, I just love I

(39:45):
just love reading and learning now. But it's you reach
a stage in life where you can even if you
didn't go to university, then you can widen your mind
at any time.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Would you ever go back to Uni? Yeah? Hell yeah, yes,
good god, yeah hell yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:59):
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Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yeah, best years of my life. Oh wait, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. We're
going to change tech after two o'clock. We want to
talk about social media and children under sixteen. That's coming
up very shortly. Nine two ninety two is the text
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eighteen eighty You decide which one was better?

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Yeah, first of three votes. You're confident, aren't you. Oh,
I'm up three to one against you. Was it something
to do with the Amish? Yeah, because did you see
that footage of the Amish.

Speaker 4 (41:04):
They haven't voted for a long time in Pennsylvania, but
they were racing to the polls and their wagons for
American flags out the back. It was quite an iconic image.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Yeah, you've got to love the Armish, right that is
after three thirty.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
But right now, yeah, so you might have read this.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
Australia's Prime minister has vowed to ban children under sixteen
from social media, saying that the pervasive influence of platforms
like Facebook and TikTok is doing real harm to our kids.
The tech giants would be held responsible from forcing the
age limit and face fifty fines if regulators noticed young
users slipping through the cracks. So right now, Facebook, TikTok, Instagram,

(41:45):
thirteen and over.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
But it's very.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
Easy for people, it's very easy for kids to get
around there. Yeah, I mean, I mean, any kid, any
kid that's thirteen is tech heavy enough to just lie
about their birthday and get on there. And the tech
companies they don't really care. I mean that they are.
I mean, let's be honest. The social media companies are
evil organizations. They just want to steal your time. They

(42:09):
don't they have no interest in trying to keep young
people off. But would you support that eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty Would you support us in New Zealand
trying to stop kids under sixteen getting on social media?
There's no doubt when you read about it that it's
doing terrible damage to the mental health of young people,
doing terrible damage to their attention span. But is it

(42:31):
even practical to try and do that? And if you're
ap pearents, do you how do you keep your kids?
If you've decided that they need to say social media,
how do you keep them off? Because I believe that
in this all the kids are off. Then it's very
hard on the kids that are that are off, you
know what I mean, because they get they get cut
out of the social group and they feel like they've
got terrible pomo forar of missing out.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
It's a complex one. I'm not sure how you could
enforce it.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
And you know the interesting thing in places like New Zealand,
if you if you make a really really strong dictate
to a tech company like Facebook, like Meta, then they're
just going to.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
But I need you, we'll leave New Zealand.

Speaker 8 (43:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Be a bad thing though.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Yeah, Well what did you do as a father? I
mean you've got fairly young boys.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
Well I think I was really lucky because controversially my
kids intermediate school here in Auckland banned them from being
on social media.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
In school and out of school.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
So they made it quite clear all the parents you
went allowed and as a result, all the kids weren't
on social.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
Media and that was really good.

Speaker 4 (43:35):
They had the gap up to thirteen where they weren't
on social media and I think that really really helped them.
In fact, we had a kid that was this is
all annoyed people and it was just luck. But because
we needed to call out my son. Yeah, he just
would never have his phone on or charged up till
about the age of fifteen because it never really hit him. Now,

(43:56):
boy boy, now it's now it's become a struggle to
get them off the phone.

Speaker 10 (43:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Well, a lot of parents are buying their kids teenagers
dumb phones, right, the old Nokias or the cheaper phones
that you can buy that do not have ready access
or easy access to things like Facebook, Instagram. That to
me seems like not a bad option, but you've still
got the problem of being excluded from your social group.
If they are all on TikTok and Instagram and Facebook

(44:21):
and laughing at these videos and being amongst the memes
and all that sort of thing, which is a massive
part of culture. Now, then that kid with the dumb
phone is still excluded from that group, aren't they.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
Yeah, it is interesting. My kids talk about brain rot
from their phone as well. They're actually aware how bad
it is for them, the doom scrolling. And I have
said to them, we'll just get a dumb phone so
you can't do it. We'll just get your dumb phone.
But they're not willing to do that, but anyone, you know,
we will wish we were with such powerful parents we
could demand our kids and control them to do what

(44:53):
they do and keep them off these phones. It's very,
very hard to do in practicality, and you may think
that you can do it when you're ten, but it's
a very when they're ten. It's a very different thing
when they hit fourteen. So some kind of government regulation
on it, some kind of whatever the plan is, would
you support it? Eight two hundred and eighty and eighty

(45:13):
Is it even possible. And what are you doing to
regulate your kids' social media access?

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Yep, get on the phones. Let's have a chat about it.
It is eleven past too. You're listening to Matt and
Tyler Good Afternoon.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
You're on new home of Afternoon Talk and even Tyler
Adams Afternoon Call. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
News Talk said, be.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
It's fourteen pass two. We're talking about Australia. They are
looking at trying to ban social media for anybody under
sixteen years of age.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Will it make much different? Plenty of texts coming through.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
Yeah, this is a great one from Chanelle here, Good Afternoon.
In order for the kids to come off social media, ultimately,
the parents need to come off social media. Parents and
not enforcing this in many cases as they don't want
to change their own behaviors to set the example. And
I've seen this and I've been guilty of this as well.
You're worried about your kids being on the phone, but
you're on your phone in front of them, so it's
a terrible example.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
Yeah, I was talking to God.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
I can't remember his name, actually I'll look it up.
But he's just written a book on it he's the
next police officer, but he was too looking about the
best way to get Kazov phones is to say to them,
when do you think you'll have time to come and
talk to me? Instead of telling them get off the phone,
when do you think you'll have time to come and
have dinner.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
It's a nice way to do it.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
So what that does is it means instead of them
getting the negative feeling of having to put their phone down,
they get the positive hit and an affirmation of choosing
to put the phone down, which he claimed.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
And I'll lock up the book because it's such a
really good book. I've just read it.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
You get the they it's a very different experience for them.
So they've made the choice to do the right thing
and as a result, in their brains, they they get
a buzz from that, and then that makes them want
to do it more. As opposed to if you demand
they get off the phone, they immediately get the negative
feeling and they have the desire for the phone.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
You're trying to trigger the same thing that social media
is triggering.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
Yeah, so you're triggering a positive They've made a positive
decision to get off the phone. So when you think
you're going to get off the phone. When do you
think you'd have moment to come and talk to me
about this?

Speaker 2 (47:10):
It's a great strategy.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Yeah, yeah, I look up who the guy was. But
it's a very interesting book.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Just on your own social media usage? Do you have
you tried to reduce that over let's say the past
ten years. Have you tried to get off social media?
Do you think it does good things for you? Matt,
sorry social media?

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Have you tried?

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Have you tried to reduce how how much time you
spend on social media massively? It's hard as it is,
It is hard, and I wonder it's hard for kids.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
It is so addictive.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
You have the resource of the biggest tech and richest
companies that have ever existed, and because of technology and
how it works, they can they can focus their resources
on every individual person like they were focused resources on
on on everyone at once because they have that resources.
So the smartest and most well smartest and richest companies

(48:01):
world doing everything they can can can to get you on.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
Every part of social media is designed to be addictive.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
And I know that's the case when I'm at home
and I've tried to get off Facebook, tried to get
off Instagram. I'm not on TikTok, and thank god for that,
but I need more, you know where less. They call
it the doom scrolling when you sit on the couch
and I need another hat, I need another video, I
need another something to entertain me because I can't spend
three seconds without some sort of information hitting me. That

(48:29):
is it's incredibly addictive, and you've got to really make
an effort to pull yourself away from that, and said,
what am I doing.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
I'm going to go walk the dog, get outside, smell
the grass.

Speaker 4 (48:38):
Well, it's like Jonathan Hyde said, and a great American
writer and professor. He was saying that the feeling that
people most when you ask how you feel when you
get off social media, the feeling most people have is regret.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
One hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (48:51):
Yeah, absolutely, you're doing something that creates that feeling in you.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
But it's so addictive that you go back. Yeah, you
go back. I mean I have a problem with it.

Speaker 4 (49:01):
And you know, around the US election, I was sort
of dealing with my addiction to social media, and I'm
not really as bad as there's a lot of people
out there, A lot of a lot of my friends
that tell about it, but I just got dragged into
X so bad during the and I'd find myself looking
for excuses to go. You know, I'd be like, I

(49:22):
need to go on there to check the news, just
to research for my show, but really I was just
going on there to get the social media hit.

Speaker 8 (49:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
I've just had a quick look at my own screen
time over the last week. Four hours and nineteen minutes
on Facebook and a week. To me, that's a lot.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
That is a lot. Yeah, you would, but you would
be massively at the lower end of what young people
are on.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Well Instagram, Yeah, seven hours and seventeen minutes wow, and.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
A week and a week. Yeah, Well, I'll tell you what.
There's people that are getting those numbers in a day.

Speaker 8 (49:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
Yeah, very And as I said, I told you the
other day, I was at the gym doing a spin class,
the cycle class, and you go really really hard and
then you have a rest bit where you go a
bit slower just to rest. And there was this woman
beside me. In every rest she'd go and just scroll
through Instagram, not looking up anything, just scroll through Instagram
and the rest. So every five minutes she was having

(50:11):
to go, even in the spin class, just.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Needed that facts. Bruce, how are you?

Speaker 13 (50:15):
Hey, I'm good, thank you?

Speaker 2 (50:17):
You know, mate, Now, what's your take on this one?

Speaker 13 (50:20):
Well, I mean I'm sort of early thirties at the moment,
and a lot of my friends have just celebrated their
ninety second birthday on.

Speaker 6 (50:29):
Facebook, right yep.

Speaker 13 (50:32):
Because yeah, obviously you know you have to be a
certain age to get on a Facebook account. Yeah, but
you know that's pretty easy to circumvent at the moment,
isn't it really?

Speaker 7 (50:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (50:42):
And so would you be, you know, someone in their
early thirties. Do you struggle to reduce the time on
social media?

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Do you get that?

Speaker 2 (50:50):
You know, it is quite an addictive thing and you
get into that doom scrolling like a lot of people.

Speaker 13 (50:55):
Yeah, yeah, I mean there's just like you go skip
saying there's so much information, Like I end up going
down rabbit holes, you know, finding out I read an
article about this, and then you end up scrolling on
Facebook to find out if anyone knows anything about it
and all that sort of, you know, just rabbit holing constantly,
and then I'm four hours later, I'm still on the internet,

(51:18):
you know.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
M I mean, if you're reading stuff, then I don't
think it's bad if you're reading and learning stuff as
long as that stuff has some accuracy to it, as
opposed to just looking of pictures, because I think Instagram
is pretty bad and TikTok's a pretty bad as well.
But on Instagram you'll just look at pictures of having
people just pictures. It's like it's firing off some kind

(51:39):
of evolutionary social things, so you feel like socializing, but
you're just seeing pictures of people doing very mundane things,
people out having a drink, people at the beach, just
going over. At least if you're reading Bruce, you might
be learning something. Your brain might actually be active.

Speaker 13 (51:54):
Yeah, whether it's good stuff to learn or not, I
guess that's another thing.

Speaker 7 (51:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Well, I find myself, I mean in the news game
as we are, particularly over the US election, and I
wasn't even reading articles. I was just trying to find
something to that I would find it detaining. But I
was going to Fox News, CNN, back to the Herold,
then The Atlantic over and over and over again, thinking
what am I doing. I'm not even reading articles here.
I just needed more fixed, more information for me, And

(52:21):
I know that that's bad, but it's incredibly difficult.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
You're addict.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
The thing is we've just got to admit and look,
we're adults and we're talking about kids. But if we can't,
if we can't fight it as adults, how is a
thirteen year old going to fight the addiction?

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Yeah, it's hard.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you're a
parent out there, what have you done to try and
get your kids to limit social media? Are you worried
about what it's doing to their brain? Nine two ninety
two is the text number. It is twenty one past two.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Matd Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty ten.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
Eighty on news Talk said the twenty four past two.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
We're looking for help out there. Have you managed to
get your kids off social media? Have you managed to
get yourself off social media?

Speaker 3 (53:07):
How do you do it? How did you do it?

Speaker 4 (53:10):
And if you're struggling with it, you know, we'd just
love to hear from you and your experience with what's
is doing. This is on the back of the Australian
government looking at restricting social media to under to over
sixteen and putting severe fines on social media companies that
don't enforce this interesting text here we were talking about

(53:32):
the dumb phones before this sounds like you guys haven't
bought the phones you were talking about. I bought a
twenty nine dollars phone from the warehouse as a punishment
for my daughter, and it's still had access to a
good number of social media already set up on the
home screen. We're actually talking about these phones that are
specifically dumb phones. There's one I'm looking at here called
Big Buttons at Big Buttons, dot co, do and zed
and it's a flip phone and it's got big buttons,

(53:53):
SOS button that alerts emergency contact, sends SMS. No contract,
no three G or four G. You can't get three
G or four G. So it's got volume. It's got
a clock, it's got a camera, it's got speed dial.
But you cannot get on the internet, to get on
social media on these phones.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Has it got snake?

Speaker 4 (54:10):
It doesn't say whether it's got snake or not, though,
but to bring back snake, it's a it's a great game.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Although it has four hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Bucks for a dumb phone, you're paying for hunter.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
Bucks to limit what it can do. That's a sad
isn't it. I don't know. It looks pretty cool. It's
a flip phone as well, so you just shut it.
What's it called? Big button?

Speaker 15 (54:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Big buttons? Yeah, Doc Curtains. I'm not sure.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
I don't know anything about it. I'm just looking at
the reviews. I mean, how do you review something that
can't do much? It's great, it's great, it's rubbish, Peter,
how are you.

Speaker 9 (54:43):
Flip that phone.

Speaker 6 (54:44):
Straight into the rubbish? Don't need for it. I've got
a year old daughter and I My thing is I
brought the phone, so I got here to sign a
parental contract. Her mother and I can view that phone
at any time, and if there's content on there that's inappropriate,

(55:07):
she loses the use of her phone. And I've always
kind of come from the point of if if she
doesn't think that her mother and I can view it,
then don't post it. And yeah, then it kind of
takes away the cigaret. There's stuff on there that I've
seen on the phone that is kind of borderline when

(55:28):
I've gone to check it. But most of the time
it's just normal young female bs. You know that little
bit of teasing here and there again, threat you sleep
paper and one isn't, so they all pile on the
other one and do crank calls and a lot of
it's just really random, just crap. I'm kinda like I

(55:52):
don't have Instagram. I have TikTok on there, don't even
use it. And I think the other option that works
is given them involved in sport where they don't and
aren't on their phone twenty four to seven yelays and
there's two hours away as they have to play footsal
or swimming or training. But also needed the boat because

(56:16):
most of them communicate on the heja or what stuff,
and which is quite good because you know, you can
come up all with the other parents and it's good.
But I think at the end of the day, outset
as parents have to pull up, pull up our socks
and do the work, and it is hard, and it
has been consistent and is kind of laying the ground

(56:39):
rules down at the very beginning that Peter.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
Speaking of your ground rules, so you say about the content,
she can look at your daughter and it sounds like
you're doing a great job there. What about the length
of time on social media?

Speaker 3 (56:50):
Do you monto that? Have you got any rules about
how long she's allowed to be on.

Speaker 6 (56:55):
I didn't right up until the point she went to college.
I used to switch the Wi Fi off every night
and it sucked for me too. But what she didn't
know at the time is I had a work train
time just to data it works, and the college is

(57:16):
a little bit different. You know what you're saying about
the little friend groups and that they can't be ostracized
and all that, and they do need those friend groups.
But we've had a couple of meltdowns. There's, like I said,
there's been some content that I don't like. She's in
the bedroom next to mine, so I know she's on
her phone, and a few times I've gone up and

(57:36):
opened the door.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Yeah, do you have big blow ups?

Speaker 4 (57:41):
Because that's the other thing people when they when the
kids are little, they go, I'll be able to control them.
But when a kid gets a teenager becomes teenagers, they
are forces of nature. And I've got friends that have
teenage daughters that that they're just it's it's destroying them
the fight that they're having. And this is just teenage
daughters teenage boys as well, of course, but I'm just

(58:02):
thinking about a couple of examples here, and that fight
it's it's more stressful than they're job. So with your daughter,
did it become a fight? Did it become become a
huge part of your life?

Speaker 18 (58:16):
Not?

Speaker 6 (58:16):
Not really, because we started that that contract, so to speak,
from the very beginning. You don't own that phone. I'm
giving you that phone, so therefore we have an open contract.
I can review it. And I've taken a phone over here.
Mother's taking a phone over and cheapers over that period
that the phone was gone. It was what you said

(58:38):
it was murder was you've got a selfish teenager in
the house. That's for refusing to do anything. Blah blah blah.
But the time between concersation differ. Removing the phone from
that date would move out four months from her last
infraction and then longer. So now like I haven't taken

(58:59):
a phone offer for a long time because she knows
that the area's consequences, and that consequence stops here from
interacting with her mates as stupid little app that she watches.
But the thing I find hard is when she views
a lot of this TikTok crap in her mind, that's real,

(59:20):
that's what really happening. So it's deciphering between bs and reality.
And it's to say for ours adults, if you want
to go look for something, let's say the election, what
you want to read, you're going to find if you
go on the other side, you're going to find it
on the other side. So it's hard for me as
a parent to go, honey, that's bullshit. That's just go

(59:43):
look for another source. Go stop looking at the dot
coms and look for a dot org and you'll find
climate change from a different bespective. So I think again
it's parents managing and having an open dialogue with your child.
That you're not going to show me the posting that
shouldn't be posted.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
Thinks so much, Peter, think of your call.

Speaker 18 (01:00:03):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
I've just got a question for you, please, what is
the average time in New Zealanders been on social media
every day?

Speaker 7 (01:00:11):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Good question.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
And if you think you know, nine two niney two
is the text number. I'm going to give you my
answer after the headlines, and I promise I won't google it, okay.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten Oh googling, No gurgling. Oh
one hundred eighty ten eighty is a number to call.
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Now back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty five to
three oh four. The headlines you mentioned day we factoid.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
University of Kennterby lecture Kenzania Zahara claims from studies that
the average user in New Zealand of social media spends
two point five hours on social media daily, which may
not sound that much, but as she points out, that's
seventy thirty seven days in a year. Far, it's a

(01:02:15):
lot of a month yea spent on social media. But
for young people it is much much higher, often seven
or eight hours per day.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Cheaper's bo, how are you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Hey? You bo.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Oh model loss bo. I'll just put your back to
Andrew and we'll come back and see what's happened there.
A couple of ticks while we see what's happening with Boyiday.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Guys.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
That's the problem nowadays as parents don't want to fight
with the kids. I say, bring it on, and I'm
not letting my child win.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
But if you've been really really busy.

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
You've worked, you know, you've had a big day at work,
and your tie has and you get home. Sometimes you
just cannot be bothered having the fight. And that might
make you feel like a bad parent, But how much
energy have we got in their life? You already worked
all day, paid your taxes, paying the mortgage, feeding the kids.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Got a cooked tea, yeah, do some washing, and then
you've got to.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
Go to a fall on battle with your kids to
get them off the phone. It's a lot, and you've
got to do it, but it's a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Yeah, bo, I think we've got your back. How are you?

Speaker 7 (01:03:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:03:17):
Good things.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
So you're a twenty two year old's who's quit social media.

Speaker 10 (01:03:22):
Yeah yeah, So I've kind of grown up throughout the
whole kind of social media period, I guess, and have
been severely addicted over the years. But I have recently
decided to delete Instagram and Twitter, but I kept Facebook
because Facebook good with kind of buying tickets through events
and all that. But I've noticed myself recently checking my
emails every city seconds and stuff like that, and finding

(01:03:44):
different ways to kind of get that dopamine hit, yeah,
which have kind of made me realize how how bad
it is.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
Yeah, so how did you quit? Did you just delete
the apps off your phone?

Speaker 7 (01:03:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:03:55):
Yeah, yeah, just delete them.

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
Yeah, because that's a very good point, BO, because if
you're really serious about it and you really want to quit,
you can just go to your phone, press it, hold
it down, and then put your finger on the little square.
Everyone could do that right now if they really wanted
to get rid of their social media.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
I did do that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
I had that for about two years, and I came back.
I came crawling back to Facebook because they got me
by the coolies obviously.

Speaker 4 (01:04:18):
Now, Bo, how did you feel when you when you
quit these social media Do you feel like you were
you were missing out on things with friends.

Speaker 10 (01:04:28):
Yes, and no, like kind of having to understand that
it's just asn't all that important and you're not missing
out of much.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
It's funny that you mentioned that, the checking to see
if you've got email, because that's when you really know
you're addicted to social media. And I've had this before
with X where I'm checking and then on board because
there's not enough things updated, but I'm still going back.
And that's when you really that's when you really don't
like yourself when you just have the regret that you're
not even getting anything out of it anymore. You've you've

(01:04:57):
read that same post three times?

Speaker 10 (01:05:00):
Yeah, definitely are you?

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Are you kind of solo and your friend group and
you know that you've deleted those social media apps.

Speaker 10 (01:05:10):
Now, I'd say a few of us kind of has
brett out kind of mutual friend groups and stuff like that.
But everyone seems to be pretty Yeah, everyone's pretty adapted.

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
And do you feel like you're going to be able
to stay off or do you feel the core of
social media pulling you back?

Speaker 10 (01:05:26):
I'm hoping I can stay off. Who knows? Who knows?
I would be surprised spoke all back into it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:30):
What do you I think people need to look at
a social media as an addiction because it is. It
is an addiction like it an addiction like a cocaine addiction.
And I've talked about this guy before on the show,
a guy called Dr Judson Brewer who wrote a book
called The Craving Mind that I couldn't recommend more to people.
And that's how he looks at it. He looks at
social media no different than getting someone off smoking. He's

(01:05:53):
been the most successful person in the United States statistically
of getting people off smoking, and then he moved his
mind to social media and uses the exact same techniques.

Speaker 7 (01:06:02):
Yeah, and it is.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
It is an addiction, just like smoking, just like cocaine, dopamine.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Hat just quickly before you go, bo, What are you
doing with those extra hours you've got now?

Speaker 10 (01:06:13):
M Yeah, trying to find other kind of sources of.

Speaker 9 (01:06:18):
Stuff.

Speaker 10 (01:06:20):
Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 8 (01:06:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
That's the hard part though, wasn't it. You know, that's
what I find when I go off social media. Okay,
what do I do?

Speaker 22 (01:06:27):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Thank you so much for you call Bo?

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Now boy, how are you?

Speaker 9 (01:06:32):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
Good?

Speaker 14 (01:06:32):
Thanks?

Speaker 22 (01:06:34):
Yeah, I've been trying to sell social media, but just
by myself listening more to talkback radio.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Good Man. So you're just doing scrolling through through talkback radio.

Speaker 22 (01:06:47):
Yeah, no, it's my morning commute at the moment, trying to.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
Keep up to date, yeah, good man.

Speaker 22 (01:06:54):
Yeah, I'm a parent, but my boys are young three
and four years old, so I'm pretty busy with them,
and you kind of yeah, you don't want to influence
them too much with you know, the devices, and yeah,
some very mindful with how I use my phone in
front of them, and but it's a hard one like
Pandora's Box has opened and you've got to live with

(01:07:16):
social media and it's just how things are. There's no
going back. How do you live with it?

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
That's the question. Well, the study you're talking about the
Pandora's Box. Pandora's box.

Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
But yeah, because you get a text and you'll check
on that and it's something you need to check on,
maybe to do with the kids or or whatever it is.
But then once you've checked on the text, your phone
so smart and it then drags you into all the
other stuff.

Speaker 9 (01:07:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:07:39):
So I suppose you just have to be mindful of
how you're using it. You're not not be like, you know,
subconscious mind taking over and you're just got to be
like really aware with Okay, I'm using my phone now
and they're going to put it down, and you know
you can there's functions on the phone that you can
you know, make it so it's not you're not jumping
every alert that you get. You just have to be

(01:08:02):
mindful about how you use it.

Speaker 9 (01:08:03):
It's a tool.

Speaker 22 (01:08:04):
I'm a builder, so everything for me.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
Is a tell Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:08:06):
Yeah, well you know, and then there are a lot
of things you can do as well, because the way
the addiction works as beeps and sounds and bright colors.
So one thing you can do is just make your
phone black and white. That's in the settings, and that
actually makes quite a difference. But napou As your kids
grow older, do you think you you think? Has Chanel
texted before, and her suggestion was that that the best

(01:08:28):
thing parents can do is just not be on their
phones in front of their kids, because you know, actions
speak louder than words.

Speaker 22 (01:08:35):
Yeah, yeah, You're like, every time you pick up your phone,
you're sending a message that your phone's more important than
there they are. Yeah, But then at the same time,
they're going to like reach adolescents and they're going to
be like, well, I need to have my own identity
and have their own friends, and you need to like anything,
like you get introduced to having like a few drinks
with your family or whatever, and you're just like, this

(01:08:57):
is how you use it responsibility, responsibly and moderation, and
you know, you've got to have time where like there
is definitely like a positive way to use social media
where kind of propel them when they find their interests
and it's an echo chamber of what they're interested in.
So it's going to push them in the right direction.
But if you're doomed scrolling and in not mindful about it,

(01:09:19):
then it's not going to work for you.

Speaker 14 (01:09:22):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 22 (01:09:24):
Yeah, there's a lot that you can We can't live
without it, like there's no going back.

Speaker 8 (01:09:29):
So yeah, it is what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
Oh, thank you so much for very cooch cool.

Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
This is intually when social media the texts come through
in nineteen nine two, social media is bad for our
mental health as smoking was for our physical health. Definitely
support banning it under sixteen s time will tell. I mean,
I would support banning it from under sixteens. And I'm
the anti ban guy. I don't believe in banning anything.
But I think that we've done a terrible experiment on
our kids and ourselves. Actually with social media, we've just

(01:09:55):
been thrown at us and we don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
We can see the average attention span is plummeting so far.

Speaker 4 (01:10:02):
Definitely, it's now below forty seven seconds, and the latest
studies that they've done in the United States, people's attention
span forty seven seconds and getting.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
Lower every year. Yeah, so we've done a terrible things
to it to ourself. And you know, if I agree
with this texture.

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
If we think that kids shouldn't smoke cigarettes under sixteen,
then I know social media might be doing just as
bad stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
Yeah, well, you talk about addiction, and I am an
avid tramper love getting out to have it for a
wee while. But going bush and getting out of that
cell phone reception, you can't do anything but be off
your phone because you're not getting any Internet, so it's
not a thing there. But for that first twelve hours,
that's tough. I'm thinking, Wait, what's going on in the world,
Who's trying to get a hold of me? What's going

(01:10:45):
on in social media? Takes about forty eight hours.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
For that to go away. Yeah, and then I don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
But then when you're in a group and the funny
thing and then you get back to the car and
all of a sudden the phone start beeping. Everybody is
straight into their phones.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
Well that's why some trampers are angry at Elon Musk
because with Starlink, the Internet is going to be available
absolutely everywhere, which is great for safety when you're out
in deferent tramping. Yeah, but you can't get you won't
be able to get away from your phone. I was
on the television show Traders in New Zealand. Yep, break
out and they take all your digital devices off you.
And so I was on the show for six days

(01:11:18):
up at the lodge there and after about a day,
like you, I didn't even miss my phone at all.
I didn't miss it all. And I was thinking, I
think I've broken the addiction. And then when I got
kicked out of the you know, like in the got
thrown out and discovered that I was a trader, I
was in the car driving back and I was immediately
on the phone, and I was immediately on social media,

(01:11:39):
and I just hated myself how quickly I was drawn
back in And then most of the most of the
ride home back from up North, I was on the phone.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
It was just hanging on like that was my that
was my out.

Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
I was forced to be off the phone for six
days and then I just let myself get back in there.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. It is a quarter to three.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
Have a chat with the boys on eight hundred and
Taylor Adams Afternoons. You for twenty twenty four News Talk
said be.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
It is twelve to three.

Speaker 4 (01:12:13):
So I just need to delete the apps from your phone.
If it's not your far more likely not to go
on it. Can just download the apps again, automatically log
in if you need to use it whenever you need,
then delete it again.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
Yeah, that's that. I mean, that's the thing.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
If anyone's serious about getting off social media one hundred percent, just.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
You gets so easy to delete the apps.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
Rachel, you've been battling with your daughter around her time
on phones.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
Ah.

Speaker 23 (01:12:40):
Yeah, So the other day I asked you to get
off your phone for about half an hour. So then
she got back onto your phone and she noticed in
her friend groups she had over six hundred messages.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
Wow, wow, half an hour.

Speaker 7 (01:12:55):
She is.

Speaker 23 (01:12:56):
She actually freaked out because she thought she'd missed out
on something massive in the world.

Speaker 6 (01:13:01):
But I don't know world.

Speaker 21 (01:13:02):
Peace had come to Well.

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
That's a crazy amount of messages though, isn't it? In
half now?

Speaker 23 (01:13:09):
But they're happens all the time. Another time, I'm a
scout leader for venturers which are fourteen and eighteen, and
I tell them for two hours and tuesday they know
how to use their phone. Oh my goodness, trying to
get someone to wean themselves off the phone for two
hours is insane, but they feel like they're going to miss.

Speaker 13 (01:13:31):
Out on the world as well.

Speaker 23 (01:13:33):
But I've just told them over the years, just tell
your friends not to text, you're not available between those
two hours, and they're slowly getting home.

Speaker 4 (01:13:41):
Yeah, now, Rachel, the pomo is quite quite quite a
rough thing for teenagers, isn't it. Because I remember when
I was a kid, if my friends did something in
the weekend and didn't invite me, then I didn't find
out till Monday. But now for kids, now they see
the pictures and because at social media, you take the
best shot you've ever seen, so everyone looks like they're

(01:14:01):
having an amazing time all the time, and if you're
not invited, you feel like a social pariah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
I mean, that's so hard for kids, isn't it. Rachel.

Speaker 23 (01:14:11):
Oh, I've seen some of the messages that she gets given,
gets said, but they're not it's even worse, so pictures
emojis or something.

Speaker 13 (01:14:23):
So yeah, it's like they.

Speaker 23 (01:14:25):
Try and better each other for a statement, which is strange.
But Ye's said.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
Yeah, I do get it at that age though, for
because that age of the brain, kids are really trying
to find their tribe, right that that that part of
the brain, the social brain, is going into overdrive that
you need to find your place in the world, and
here's the tribe and if you're not part of the tribe,
then it's all going to fall over, the world's going
to implode. So that's a tough time for for your
daughter when as you say, I mean it's just half

(01:14:55):
an hour, but in her brain she's probably thinking I'm
losing my tribe here.

Speaker 23 (01:15:01):
Yeah, But then insane that though the ventures that I
have on Tuesday now because they can't use it so
they can engage with each other a lot more as well,
which is really nice, you know, and they actually really
enjoy each other's space. But Overricks eight thirty eight thirty one,
they're all on their phones again and they're ignoring each

(01:15:22):
other again. It's just really sad. All they're fixing each
other and are standing next to each other.

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
Yeah. Yeah, different times, that's for sure, Rachel, Thank you
very much. Joe. One hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. It is nine to three.

Speaker 7 (01:15:40):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons You for twenty twenty four.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
You've talked said be six to three.

Speaker 4 (01:15:49):
We've been talking about social media after the Australian government
has suggested banning children under sixteen from being on social
media and finding the social media companies if they're court
allowing people on. Boy, we're getting a lot of full
on texts coming through here on people struggle with their
kids around social media. This a teck came through on

(01:16:10):
nineteen nine two. I smashed my daughter's phone with a
mallet after she punched my wife who tried to get
it off her.

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
She was being destroyed by her phone. It was toxic.

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
She's been a lot better since, but it's a real
problem as you can't socially exclude her. We hate what
the devices have done to our kids. Jenny, your thoughts
on social media and children.

Speaker 24 (01:16:31):
Yeah, So the thing is you've got kids being exposed
to the screen at a very early age. So clearly
my age, I never grew up with computers in the
early ages. They were introduced, just came into schools in
my teenage years. But now you've got little kids and

(01:16:53):
they're supposed to have laptops or tablets, and so they're
already being exposed to that screen with the interactive buttons
with the likes and the love heartset come up or
whatever it is when they get is right. So we're
almost like pre preparing them and training them to become addictive,

(01:17:14):
so that when they go into the social media world,
there's there's alway there that design that want. And I
think it's it's one thing for us to say you can't,
you know, like we need to limit their screens. But
if you think about the fact that our children aren't
learning masks like they used to, their you know, their

(01:17:37):
their skills, their education, their English, everything like that, it's
all been diminished. And yet the increase in the use
of computers in the classroom has increased, and there's that
correlation between the two. Once they get set up, they're
then going into.

Speaker 9 (01:17:52):
The social media.

Speaker 24 (01:17:54):
Our children suicide rate, harming rates, depression, everything is being increased.
It's I mean, but we're pre setting them up. Don't
use computers, limit the screens. You have to have a
screen for school.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
I know it's tough.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
Well, thank you so much. We call Jenny. We're running
out of time here, but someone says Gidnapp called Opal.
On the phones.

Speaker 4 (01:18:17):
You can set the amount of time on the apps
you want to look at and for how long? So
opal opa l. I'm not sure about that thing, but
that could be a savior yep.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
And this one to finish. Hey, guys, you just need
to find another hobby. I suggest drinking. If you start
young enough, you'll never coordinate enough to learn how to
properly use social media.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
I can see some other problems with that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Yeah, thank you very much that it's a good discussion.
Right after three o'clock New Zealander of the Year. Looking
forward to seeing who that will be. And then we're
going to have a chat about when's the best time
to watch footy?

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Yeah, because the All Blacks are nine ten tomorrow morning.
I think there's a great time that's coming up very shortly.
It is three to three.

Speaker 7 (01:18:56):
Talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
It's Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons you for twenty twenty
four us talk zib.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Good afternoon six pass three the final for us on
a Friday. Always feel good on a Friday.

Speaker 4 (01:19:11):
It's getting a bit thirsty, actually, Piod. You know what
I'm excited about. I'm excited about the Rugby tomorrow morning.
The AB's versus Island very very important.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
Test of where the all Blecks are sitting. Huge game.
Last time we played them was, of course, when we
knocked them out of the World Card. What a fantastic
game that was.

Speaker 4 (01:19:30):
But nine ten am in the morning, I think that's
a great time to watch rugby.

Speaker 6 (01:19:35):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:36):
But what is the best time to watch rugby? I
don't think that's the best time because that's breakfast. I
think afternoon rugby. I think when they play in Argentina,
that's a great time to watch rugby because that sort
of comes in the middle of the day.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
Yes, what's that about midday being on givel take. I
think the best time.

Speaker 4 (01:19:49):
Overall is about three o'clock in the afternoon if you
can watch rugby. If when all lines up and the
AB's play at three o'clock in the afternoon, it doesn't
happen as much as it used to. It hardly ever happens,
But it's fantastic.

Speaker 8 (01:20:01):
See.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
I like the nine o'clock nine am being down at
the pub or the sports bar or around people at
that time and you get in excited and the pints
are flowing. It doesn't feel quite right. It feels a
little bit cheeky. That you're doing that at that time
in the morning, but it's okay because you're watching the
All Blacks.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
Well eight hundred eighty ten eighty, what is the best
time to.

Speaker 4 (01:20:21):
Watch an All Blacks game? Because I don't mind getting
up at four am as well.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
That's kind of fun as well with the hot chocolate.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Yeah, looking forward to that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
It is a past three news talk zebby.

Speaker 4 (01:20:34):
Every Friday on Matt and Tyler Afternoons. On zb we
name the New Zealander of the Week and honor that
we bestow on your behalf to a newsmaker who has
had an outsized effect on our great and beautiful nation
over the previous seven days. As always, there will be
three nominees, but only one winner. And remember, like the
Time magazine Person of the Year, the New Zealand of
the Week isn't always an agent of good.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
So, without further pissing around, the.

Speaker 4 (01:20:56):
Nominees for Matt and Tyler Afternoons New Zealand of the
Week are nominee. One also wins the make everyone younger
than you feel lame about themselves Award.

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
You're old, You're Kiwi.

Speaker 4 (01:21:06):
You got foot in your name and you used your
feet to become the oldest runner at the New York
Marathon twenty twenty four. You've shifted a few houses, You're
still pounding the pavement. Garth barfort at eighty eight. You
are nominated for New Zealander of the Week I Don't
Garth ninety two and also recipient of the Magpie Shiny

(01:21:26):
Objects Award for paying far more attention to and freaking
out more about an election fifteen thousand kilometers away rather
than focusing on your own depressing political situation. New Zealanders,
you are nominated for New Zealander of the Week, I
don't care, Way's dem my taste? And now who the
winner of New Zealander of the Week. This weekend, the

(01:21:49):
All Blacks play their six hundred and forty ninth Test
match and one man has commentated over half of those.
You've got a great mo You're deliciously nasal. No one
uses less words to describe a play than you. It
sounds very odd and not like a bought one. When
you're not calling the games, you try to stay neutral,
but sometimes we can tell you hate the ref. You've
got Marshy coming up from behind with the heart takes.

(01:22:12):
You're sixty at seventy four, never ever retire. We love you,
Grant Nisbet ahead of your three hundred and fiftieth AB
game behind the Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
Nisbo, you are our new Zealander of the week.

Speaker 25 (01:22:26):
Congratulations Lisbo, give him the taste of Gamma God blessing
God Speed's just going to.

Speaker 14 (01:22:52):
Do it.

Speaker 26 (01:22:56):
And the Love side. They've just got to kick it
out and champions for the second time.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
News talks thereb. It is thirteen past three and well
done Nisbo. Three hundred and fifty games commentated. I mean
that guy is a New Zealand Treasury.

Speaker 3 (01:23:26):
It's phenomenal.

Speaker 4 (01:23:27):
So he has commentated he will have commentated fifty four
percent of all All Black tests.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
Unreally that I mean that is incredible because it's.

Speaker 4 (01:23:36):
Been the six hundred and forty ninth All Blacks Test
this weekend, so fifty four percent. So the All Blacks
are so important to us as a nation, so important
to our history, and Nisbo has commentated fifty four percent
of all their fixtures. Yeah, it's it's hard to even comprehend.
And when he's commentating, it feels like an All Blacks
test because our whole lives have been listening to him. Yeah,

(01:23:59):
is he is he New Zealand's greatest commentator? I mean,
I mean, I think Scotty J. Stevenson is a great commentator, definitely.
What about Pete Petemont commentary?

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
Petegomery great commentators, no one for the Saline, but he
has commentated rugby in the past, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:24:18):
This is Keith Quinn out there. Oh eight hundred Hardeki,
Oh my god, I did it again. Oh my goodness,
it's Friday, folks. How many of those do you get
a week before we get the whip out? Fourteen years
on Radio Hedchi, I've had three or four of them
this week?

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
Terrible.

Speaker 4 (01:24:34):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number. Who is
New Zealand's greatest of a comment commentator? Ian Smith?

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
Very good? Yeah, Jason Hoyt. There's some great commentators out there.
Brian Waddle. Watt's not a fan of me, but Wadd's
great commentator.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot we've We've punched above
our weight and I know that's a cliche, but we
do punch above our weight when it comes to sport
as sports commentators, don't we. I mean, you know you
mentioned Pete Montgomery there and America's Cup is now New
Zealand's Cup that just resonated around the world and you
know that belongs to to Papper now. But as you mentioned,
we've had Keith Quinn.

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
Yep, Keith Winn. He hands off his opposite. Ah love
it nor novel.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
Yeah, I mean there's some been some beautiful moments eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. The ticks are coming through already.
Get on the phones. I think we've got being mate,
get out here. Good Who is it for you?

Speaker 12 (01:25:30):
In Galloway he's doing his greatest cricket commentative all time.

Speaker 4 (01:25:34):
Sure, yes, of course, have you got any other man,
got any fond memories of in of course you've listened
to for me in Galloway.

Speaker 12 (01:25:45):
Well he also used to take a cricket teaing turing
to the beautiful South and came grand test.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
So good Targo lad Yeah in Galloway yeaes and thank you,
thank you being in Galloway.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
You're fantastic cricket commentator.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
Trevor. How are you mate? Hey?

Speaker 27 (01:26:02):
You guys here look a comments man who was fantastics.
I suppose you're the commentators and me Tony cricket.

Speaker 9 (01:26:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:26:10):
When you're mad.

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
Yeah, the words.

Speaker 27 (01:26:12):
Oh, he was fantastic and i'll tell you a great commentator,
but you didn't hear her much. But there was an
amazing piece of country. A little about Peter Montgomery was
Ala McLoughlin commentating in rugby league and there was a
rugby league check match against Australia. We upset them and
Alan mcgloughlin said, Australia, you are dead, No, you are buried.

Speaker 3 (01:26:34):
Great line.

Speaker 4 (01:26:35):
I've sometimes been listening to Jeremy Coney and I've had
to look up words because I haven't. I remember he
was talking about a match. I think I'm getting the
word right now. He said the match is entering entering
its abiquities and I locked that up into here and
that means it's the death rows. Yeah, commentator, just to
throw out a word like that that i've you know,

(01:26:56):
I've been speaking this language for a very long time
and this was only a few years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
He threw out a word. I can't remember what particular game.

Speaker 4 (01:27:02):
It was, but I thought, wow, he's He's thrown out
a word I've never heard before in a cricket commentary.

Speaker 8 (01:27:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
It was one of the great partnerships in terms of
commentary partnerships him and what wasn't it and it still is?

Speaker 27 (01:27:15):
Oh yeah, no absolutely. I mean Jeremy comes from the
same part of town as me and Wellington here. But
I'll tell you you know, he was just an amazing
You know, if there was a break and play or
there was an hour to speak about and he'd done
talking functions on that, you go along and listen to him.
He's amazing. But he knew so much about cricket he
could actually say, well, this is what I think should happen. Well,

(01:27:37):
I think this is what will happen. He was amazing.
So those two of them, for me, speaking on of Gotlins,
you should try and find a great piece of commentary.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
Oh we will just just on Coney as well Docklin.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
Yeah, Alan McGlocklin will find it on Alan McGlocklin. But
Coney wasn't he kind of the start of bringing former
players into the commentary box. He kind of led the
way that actually these you can get a lot of
players that are phenomenal commentators.

Speaker 27 (01:27:59):
Yeah no, you know, you're probably be right, but another
one big off the phone, another one you might know
you won't remember that even you're too young, remember Glenn Tucker.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
Glenn Tucker, Yeah, Gleck Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:28:11):
Hey he was one of the very early crooked Aye.

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
But love it. Dreva, You're a good man. Thank you
very much. OK. I got a question for you. E
one hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 4 (01:28:24):
Who was the commentator that who was commentating that win
Loader Loader when.

Speaker 3 (01:28:30):
Daniel Loader won gold medal at the Olympics. I got
no idea.

Speaker 4 (01:28:34):
I'm just trying to without who that was. I don't
think it was a well known commentator Loader Loader. And
who was the commentator that said it's two for Todd
and Todd for two. Someone will know what moments nine
two is the text number? It is nineteen past three.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
Who's our greatest ever commentator?

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk said b why to
Lomu he's got.

Speaker 28 (01:29:04):
The bounce, he's heading it off for his opposite loveh.

Speaker 4 (01:29:11):
So a lot of people coming through saying Keith Quinn
was the greatest commentator. All we're looking into who that is?
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Now apparently with Keith
Quinn that he had another line. I think it was
all pump and muscle, but he couldn't find his bit
of paper because the commentators often prepare a line that
they're going to read out, yes, yeah, and he had

(01:29:32):
one I think was He's all pump and muscle something
like that, but he couldn't find it, so he just
went oh lo move oh oh, which actually ended up
being the greatest piece of commentary of all time because
the moment running over Mike Katz like that was the
that was the most iconic moment, and the way we
were just feeling.

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
As a nation watching it was oh oh, he nailed it. Yeah,
absolutely brilliant. Andy, How are you good? Thank you, greatest
commentator of all time.

Speaker 6 (01:30:03):
Oh, speaking of oh oh, Keith Quinn, I think it's
Murray mixed It. I can't remember the yes that. I
can't remember the inside runner, but basically old Mother, the
big next ed. He said, if you come inside Mertens
often enough, it will bring produced results. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:30:22):
I love Murray Mixed Dead definitely. He was the king
of the accidental double on TUNDR. I just watched a
fantastic thing on Sky the other day and it was
Nisbo and Murray Mix Dead. Reminiscing about the two thousand,
ninety two thousand Bledersow Cup and they're just sitting down
and talking to each other, and they had justin Marshall

(01:30:44):
and Confeld, just Cornfeld in the other room talking about
their game. If it's still up on on Sky, it's
one of the best TV shows I've ever seen, and
that the obvious friendship and love between Nisbo and Murray's
mix dead.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
It's really beautiful to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
Yeah, that's nice. Hey, thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
Andy.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
A lot of people texting in about the Danian Loader commentary.
John macbeth, John Mcbethcbeth, of course it was. Thank you
very much for teaching throw on nine two, nine to two.

Speaker 6 (01:31:11):
Get a bob listen, listen, it's a goal, very good.

Speaker 12 (01:31:19):
You're too young to remember.

Speaker 10 (01:31:21):
Winston McCarthy.

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
Winston McCarthy, Yes, I am not familiar with Winston McCarthy.

Speaker 6 (01:31:26):
That was in the late forties and early fifties when
I was still at school.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
Wow, and what game was that?

Speaker 8 (01:31:32):
Bob?

Speaker 14 (01:31:34):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (01:31:34):
He commented on the number of games, all the test
matures of his time.

Speaker 4 (01:31:38):
Yeah, yeah, so rugby commentator. I'm just looking at up
handsome Feller as well. Winston McCarthy.

Speaker 12 (01:31:44):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
Yeah, and was he was he radio primarily? He must
have been.

Speaker 9 (01:31:51):
It was television, Yeah yeah, yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:31:53):
That's interesting, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:54):
So we talk about getting up tomorrow morning, well getting
up you should be out of bed by nine o'clock.
But the game against Island's nineteen tomorrow people watching it,
all the directions around that, but for the longest time,
people listen to rugby on the radio, which the makes
Nesbo's fifty four percent commentating fifty four percent of all
the All Blacks tests even more impressive because so many

(01:32:17):
of them were on radio before he was even around.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
Well, I think he started off on radio, didn't he.
I'm sure N's buff We go way back. He was
a radio commentator before he moved.

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
To Telly Yeah, yeah, probably yeah, probably. All right, thank
you very much, fairly. How you doing?

Speaker 29 (01:32:32):
Yeah good. I just want to talk about Lovelock's gold
at Berlin in nineteen thirty six.

Speaker 3 (01:32:37):
Oh wow.

Speaker 29 (01:32:38):
The commentary was actually by a friend fellow runner a
British commentary. Abraham's and the Bricks are famous for being
and one of the things I've enjoyed about last week's
test uestion talking at me. So by seven, like the
aftermach interviews, say, asked some quite you can say tougher questions.
In New Zealand commentators to ask because they're scared of

(01:33:00):
getting offside with or yeah, well you could say tick cant,
but they always ask questions it it's not going to
get them. Yeah, ask a question to get in the future.
Where's the Brits. They're quite, they say, and they just
ask a ready direct quesh. I've quite enjoy that. But anyway,
so go bet the love Lock. But it was a
fellow runner Abraham's. He was, well, love Lock's great friend

(01:33:24):
and he's very Unbritts. She's trying and heat that in
thirty six. He doesn't give an unbiased commentary. He's going
go check go. And then the last twenty of the
French final he goes five yards six hours. Oh my god,
he's done a jets you know. So he's so emotional.
Yeah check winning that gold medal. Yeah, and in that
moment he's completely Unbritish. Yeah, friendship across the lines. I

(01:33:48):
thought it was so cool.

Speaker 4 (01:33:50):
Yeah, that's awesome, Phil, Yeah, I've heard that. That audio's
it's phenomenal. This is an interesting text on nineteen ninet two.
Hey guys, did you ever play Jonah Lomu Rugby on
the polaystation?

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
I certainly did? Who did the commentary for that? But
he's digging like a demented mall? Good call?

Speaker 4 (01:34:06):
Yeah, I mean that I still haven't made a better
rugby video game than Joona lom and Rugby.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
The best was that ninety two?

Speaker 3 (01:34:13):
It was it was PlayStation one. Yeah, that's right, so
it would have been a bit later than that, but fantastic.
Yeah when was that?

Speaker 4 (01:34:19):
But I mean, they still haven't made a better game
than John Loma Rugby. And John Lomma was so much
bigger than all the other characters in the game. Yeah, fantastic, Peter,
how are you?

Speaker 17 (01:34:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 30 (01:34:30):
Good mate?

Speaker 14 (01:34:30):
Good?

Speaker 30 (01:34:30):
Thanks?

Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
What's your take?

Speaker 30 (01:34:34):
Rion Murtha?

Speaker 3 (01:34:35):
Oh Trotting, Yeah that's the one mate.

Speaker 30 (01:34:39):
Yeah, So you've got to be of a certain age.
You've got to be over fifty. I reckon to remember
that fella.

Speaker 11 (01:34:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:44):
Well, I I mean I'm thirty eight. But I know
the name.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
I know their name associated with Trotting, But I can't
say I heard much commentary.

Speaker 3 (01:34:51):
What was so good about him?

Speaker 30 (01:34:54):
Well, for me, it's just I remember, you know, summer
out with the dad. The transistor radio was out there.
He was listening to the racers while doing a bit
of gardening, and he just had a really good beat
to his commentary. You know, you get a bit excited
toward the end of the rape. Yeah, really good. Great
comm Katy, you know, gave you a real scene of

(01:35:15):
what's going on.

Speaker 6 (01:35:16):
I reckon.

Speaker 3 (01:35:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:35:17):
People used to love Trotting so much in New Zealand
that they'd release albums, records of calls that.

Speaker 3 (01:35:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:35:23):
A friend of mine he had a whole collection to them.
He collected with the old ones. So people just listen
to them again. You listen to them again, so you
know what's going to happen. But the calls will be
so good that people would buy the vinyl record to
listen to the trotting.

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
So good, Peter, thank you very much. We'll pick this
back up very shortly. It is twenty eight past three.

Speaker 17 (01:35:45):
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(01:36:12):
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(01:36:56):
Now back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, and we're talking about New
Zealand's best commensater sports commentator of all time. Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten, eight years the number to call, Josh,
how are you?

Speaker 6 (01:37:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:37:09):
Good?

Speaker 14 (01:37:09):
Hey yeah, fill mcparent Is that John commentator?

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
Oh yeah, he's digging like a demented mold.

Speaker 21 (01:37:19):
You go to your win.

Speaker 6 (01:37:22):
He's handing them off like flies.

Speaker 3 (01:37:24):
It's so good. They're all there.

Speaker 14 (01:37:26):
That would wooman ward for.

Speaker 22 (01:37:29):
That's the maternity ward man.

Speaker 3 (01:37:32):
That's bring about some good memories.

Speaker 11 (01:37:33):
Josh.

Speaker 7 (01:37:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:37:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:37:35):
Keith Quinn kick Quinn was the is the top man
for me rugby wise Douglas but yeah whatever, yeah, no,
Keith quit and World Cups. Always think of Keith Quinn.

Speaker 3 (01:37:45):
Did you did you see the John Lomu moment live
hands off his officely?

Speaker 12 (01:37:50):
You know what's that?

Speaker 29 (01:37:51):
Live?

Speaker 7 (01:37:51):
I was.

Speaker 14 (01:37:52):
I'm a mad, mad fan of johneral Ruby. I've still
got the game still players and all that. So yeah,
and like you said, man, it's still the best rugby
game ever created me and I don't understand why someone
can't just make it just a little bit of a
better version of what they've created back then, even with
little crappy grat it doesn't matter, makes just the same
game players.

Speaker 3 (01:38:12):
I mean, it's a complicated.

Speaker 4 (01:38:13):
Rubby Union is a complicated game to turn into a
video game like I've played a lot of John Madden
Football and n f L is much simpler the way
way it plays out. But they managed to nail it
on the PS one and it's quite amazing. So do
you plug in the PS one to play it or
have you got an emulator?

Speaker 19 (01:38:32):
No, so I've got this old p S.

Speaker 14 (01:38:33):
Three that down plays to the PS one Piece one
game on the p S three. But I'll tell you,
I'll tell you something. I think it's even crazier. Matt
Heath on Blade.

Speaker 31 (01:38:41):
News talks the v Mate like you as the old
beckersy man in thee the time on my rear breed
Mate that like the station together lawns and I just
like to get the talk and all that.

Speaker 14 (01:38:52):
But when you start coming on board, we want to
Simon Barney to.

Speaker 12 (01:38:55):
You, I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:58):
Well, I hope I'm delivering for you.

Speaker 4 (01:39:01):
It's it's a lot of fun to be up here,
and and I appreciate the opportunity, but very.

Speaker 3 (01:39:07):
Very surprise me as well that I'm here.

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
You're found your new home made, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:39:12):
Dennis. How are you.

Speaker 8 (01:39:15):
Good.

Speaker 12 (01:39:15):
Thanks, how much stretched back the years A little bit true? Firstly,
going in reverse, who was the commentator that said a
little bit of house your fatherly bang on, there he is?

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
Who was there?

Speaker 12 (01:39:27):
That was Baberd who was the TV the TV commentator
in the sixty to sixties two of South Africa, right,
and there wasn't a how's your father going on?

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
Such a beautiful phrase, a bit of how's your father?

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
And Dennis, so I mean you go sorry.

Speaker 12 (01:39:51):
I wouldso like to go back to Winston McCarthy. Yeah,
ag and mentioned the forties. In the fifties. He stretched
on pretty well right through the TV games I think
probably in some of the early sixties. But he had
some classic phrases like I remember and he was wonderful
commentating Don Clark and you know Don kl coming ahead
to kick and there he goes, grucious me. Let's try

(01:40:13):
to design the posts.

Speaker 3 (01:40:16):
I love those moments. I love that, sorry, Dennis.

Speaker 4 (01:40:20):
I love that those moments get the you know, intonation
and the moment gets burnt into your mind. Like if
you're a commentator and you have one of those iconic
moments you have you're in so many people's minds and
bring so much joy for such a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:40:33):
Dennis, thank you very much. John, how are you gos?

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
Who is it for you?

Speaker 2 (01:40:39):
Who's the best commentator?

Speaker 3 (01:40:42):
Winston McCarthy, Winston Man as well, a lot of love
for Winston McCarthy out there.

Speaker 6 (01:40:49):
He was he was commentating when, like for Don Clark
was kicking goals from inside his own half and.

Speaker 3 (01:40:55):
He'd go, I love that. It's so good.

Speaker 2 (01:41:04):
John, Thank you very much. Quick a couple of texts
and then we've got topical tune is about to commence. Surely, Matt,
you're familiar with the great Barbadian cricket commentator Tony Crozy
app you're velvet.

Speaker 3 (01:41:17):
Totally beautiful voice. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
I know we're getting away from New Zealand commentators here,
but Richie b Yeah, fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:41:25):
Yeah absolutely, I mean I mean fantastic with the under
armed delivery.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
Yeah, absolutely right. Thank you very much on that. And
congratulations again to Grant Nisbo who will be commentating his
three hundred and fiftieth rugby match tomorrow morning.

Speaker 4 (01:41:42):
Fifty four percent of all all Blacks tests hundred and
forty ninth Test against Ireland at nine ten tomorrow morning.
And also congratulations to Nisbotha winning the Matt and Tyler
Afternoons New Zealander of.

Speaker 3 (01:41:52):
The Week earlier in the hour.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
That's the big one both, that'll be huge for him.
Put straight to the pull room.

Speaker 3 (01:41:58):
All right though, the competition continues, right, Okay, so I
think winners start. You won last week, yep.

Speaker 4 (01:42:05):
So I'm currently sitting up in the topical Tune competition
three to one to use. So you're coming from a
long way back, Tyler. It's a very simple competition. We
play a song each on a topic eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. Best of three callers decides who's is
better yep, and social ego first, yeah, please, okay, okay. Well,

(01:42:26):
there were a lot of iconic images from the US
presidential election. Trump getting back up and raising his first
after getting shot in the air, Harris holding up a
phone call she was having and revealing the camera was
on and she wasn't actually having a phone call with
a voter. But the most iconic images of this election
for me were the Amish carriages rushing into town. The
Amish carriages in Pennsylvania. They had big American flags on

(01:42:48):
the back of their handsome cabs. The community hadn't voted
for one hundred years, but they were hyped up to
vote and they raced into town.

Speaker 5 (01:42:55):
So this is my song, Mama, Rugby.

Speaker 3 (01:43:07):
Eight wagon will it's topical sing a long song. It's
the it's the greatest wedding song of all time. Any
excuse to play wagon?

Speaker 2 (01:43:17):
Well that is ten us.

Speaker 3 (01:43:18):
But a good song, good song, right, my one.

Speaker 2 (01:43:22):
This week there was a bit of chat about jet
skis yesterday, and I got a little bit of stick
about my hatred of jet skis. But there was one caller, Patrina,
who mentioned the cops on jet skis, jet ski cops,
And when she was talking, it made me think of
this song.

Speaker 3 (01:43:46):
The Patch song. What a song, can't you just think it?

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
You know, the police on the jet skis screaming through
the ocean, rescuing people drowning.

Speaker 3 (01:43:55):
I mean, this is just this was a good time.
I love you like a brother. But this is a
new low. The Baywatch theme for the topical.

Speaker 2 (01:44:02):
Tune Jimmy Jamison, he was a great musician.

Speaker 3 (01:44:06):
And that is a great song to the Hof sing it. No,
the Hof didn't sing that. I don't think so much.

Speaker 4 (01:44:11):
I was so sure that the Hoff sunger oh, because
the Hoff is a great singer Jimmy Jamerson.

Speaker 2 (01:44:16):
Well, I can't believe you forgot about Jimmy Jamerson. Right,
those are the choices. Get on the phone. I eight
hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:44:23):
You know the drill.

Speaker 2 (01:44:24):
First one to three takes at out topical tunes for
this week. It is thirty nine past three.

Speaker 1 (01:44:31):
It's a new take on talkbag. Matt Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons.
Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:44:39):
B right time for topical tunes. A quick reminder, Matt,
you have picked.

Speaker 5 (01:44:46):
On the back of the.

Speaker 4 (01:44:47):
Armis rocking into town and they're wagons to vote in
the Pennsylvania election.

Speaker 3 (01:44:50):
Yeah, very good, and this is me today. Great moment
is humanity. This was about the jet skis. But I
just love this song and it never gets much here time.

Speaker 4 (01:45:03):
Okay, I w eight hundred eighty ten eighty first to
three wins. Is it wagon Wheel or is it the
bay Watch thing?

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
Come on, Tyler, you know what to do.

Speaker 3 (01:45:12):
Rosie, how are you?

Speaker 6 (01:45:15):
I'm really good?

Speaker 15 (01:45:16):
Thank you boys?

Speaker 23 (01:45:17):
How are you?

Speaker 7 (01:45:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:45:18):
Good?

Speaker 3 (01:45:18):
Goods? What do you reckon?

Speaker 27 (01:45:21):
Look?

Speaker 6 (01:45:21):
I've always loved wagon Wheel, so I shipped the.

Speaker 29 (01:45:24):
Vote for Matt, Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:45:26):
Rosie, what a great song, brilliantly voted. That's great. So
that's one to me, best of three.

Speaker 2 (01:45:33):
Stop sucking upstand and I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:45:35):
Currently three one up. All right, here we go. Come on, guys,
help a brother out.

Speaker 11 (01:45:41):
It's got to be those mega amos.

Speaker 5 (01:45:46):
Okay, all right, you're in trouble here, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:45:49):
Two for met zero for me. Peter, how are you
good bye?

Speaker 14 (01:45:55):
It's gonna be your Jimmy Jamison.

Speaker 9 (01:45:57):
Yeah, it's like a trich coat playing with the soul.

Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
It's pretty good, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:46:09):
And what a piano riff as well.

Speaker 3 (01:46:11):
I'll give you that much. Sol the pianos. The piano
is furious.

Speaker 2 (01:46:14):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you can't
get through, keep trying. We don't take tics, but there's
some good ticks coming through ninety.

Speaker 4 (01:46:23):
We never play the Darius Rucker version of wagon Wheel.
Epic Foil says this texture on ninety two. But oh wait,
one hundred eighty ten eighty, So I only need one
more vote to win.

Speaker 3 (01:46:34):
You need to yeah, James, how are you doing this afternoon?

Speaker 1 (01:46:38):
Not too bad?

Speaker 8 (01:46:40):
Yeah, man, I thought for a minute there you were
going to play where now, Yeah, Amish paradise.

Speaker 3 (01:46:46):
I should have really, I'm gonna have to go with you, mate.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
There we go, nice one, Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:46:52):
So there we got into one saying thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:46:57):
Been living in mostella living in an Amish paradise.

Speaker 3 (01:47:01):
That would have made a bit more sense. But there
you go.

Speaker 2 (01:47:03):
That's old favorite for one. I'm going to have to
bring something more to the table, no Baywatch fans. Yeah,
all right, well done mate. Here is your song that
a wagon will Darius vision as well, not.

Speaker 3 (01:47:15):
The old shirt. I'll try medicine show vision, written by
Bob Dylan. The song YEP dedicated to the Amish.

Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
Turn the radios off, turn your Telly off, Get in
your wagon, sing along everyone.

Speaker 28 (01:47:32):
In the South to the Land of the Pans and
something of my way in North Carolina, staring up the
road and prayer to God.

Speaker 5 (01:47:40):
I see headlights, made it down the.

Speaker 28 (01:47:45):
Coast in seventeen hours, picking near footcare dog would flowers
and I'm a woman morally. I can see my favorite
in that found the wagon wheel. Find me founa gin
away feel.

Speaker 7 (01:48:07):
Man around.

Speaker 28 (01:48:10):
Rock named by Malaca Wind Near the Rain Rock named
by Malaca.

Speaker 5 (01:48:15):
Sound Downstream.

Speaker 28 (01:48:19):
Now strapped me.

Speaker 7 (01:48:36):
Running from a cold off for New England.

Speaker 3 (01:48:39):
I was gonna be a fiddler in an old time.

Speaker 28 (01:48:42):
String man, my baby pleaser geitar, I pick a band
till now.

Speaker 5 (01:48:49):
No constant wellness.

Speaker 28 (01:48:51):
Peep for getting me down lost by Mordey playing brothers,
or have to leave trailed by I ain't a turning
back tilling and.

Speaker 31 (01:48:58):
That all life no more.

Speaker 28 (01:49:02):
Seam Ma Malaca wagon w frien, Mama head away, feel.

Speaker 7 (01:49:11):
By from me here? I mean by malka wind by.

Speaker 28 (01:49:18):
The way he rack mean by my.

Speaker 7 (01:49:20):
Lot south downtree, by rock me.

Speaker 28 (01:49:41):
Walking to the south battle Road. Noga Cotta trucker out
of Philly had a nice home tour, but he's ahead
and west from the come Land guy to john Sun City.
Can I see a guy I got nothing more on
me for the sunt I hear my many calling money man.
I know that's Jes the only one on everybody down

(01:50:01):
here Raleigh, at.

Speaker 5 (01:50:02):
Least thou well guide free.

Speaker 3 (01:50:07):
Shot Mama lad on where will rock me by? Where away?

Speaker 7 (01:50:13):
Feel hey?

Speaker 29 (01:50:16):
Mama?

Speaker 23 (01:50:20):
Who run me?

Speaker 28 (01:50:21):
Mamaa the wind the way rock me Ma Malacca style
about train, Mama rack me.

Speaker 5 (01:50:33):
Sure me Mama the why the wheel.

Speaker 17 (01:50:38):
We want to steal.

Speaker 7 (01:50:42):
Mama, Mama, rop me mother.

Speaker 5 (01:50:45):
Rob me, brid me, Mama the winner. I want to
run strain.

Speaker 28 (01:50:55):
About you been around me nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:51:11):
And I've just been singing along as has the rest
of the nation with my victorious topical tune song.

Speaker 2 (01:51:16):
There's some great teats coming through. Yeahha, this is my
line dancing song. Wagon will and this one good. Ay, guys, Tyler,
you would have had more luck if this was a
TV show. You needed the added visuals of Pam running
down the beach of a great weekend from Greg.

Speaker 3 (01:51:32):
Yeah, well there you go. Don't wagon wheels roll rock
me mom, I like a wagon. We'll rock.

Speaker 4 (01:51:38):
That's a good point. Actually, well, I guess you're rocking
back and forth in the wagon. I think actually that
song might be more to do with the different kind
of act than the end being an armish person traveling
in a carriage.

Speaker 7 (01:51:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:51:52):
Absolutely, I'm gonna have to up my game all one.
Now this is starting to hurt. I mean it was
fun and games to start off with. Now this is seria.

Speaker 3 (01:51:59):
Now you're in trouble, your buddy. Now, just a.

Speaker 2 (01:52:02):
Reminder on the big events this weekend around the country.
You were going to one of them, The Need and
beer Fest of Oh.

Speaker 4 (01:52:08):
Yeah, the Needingcraft Bey and Field Festival in their full
Soyth Bar Stadium on there on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (01:52:13):
It's it's such a great event.

Speaker 4 (01:52:15):
So yeah, if you're going along down there in my
hometown of Dunedin, come along.

Speaker 2 (01:52:19):
And say today and tonight you're also seeing a great event.

Speaker 11 (01:52:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:52:23):
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you want to feel good about the future of this country,
just zone into the best apprentices in the country.

Speaker 3 (01:52:31):
They're amazing yep.

Speaker 2 (01:52:33):
And in Wellington Crowded House is on on Saturday at
the Gravity Steers Tour part of the Gravity Stairs Tour.
And christ Juts is gearing up for show week Cup
Day next Tuesday. Christ Show from Thursday and this weekend
in Auckland Pool Jam oh yeah tonight and Sunday.

Speaker 3 (01:52:49):
Yeah, that's going to be a great show.

Speaker 14 (01:52:50):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
It is ten to four.

Speaker 1 (01:52:54):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matth and Tyler Adams Afternoons you for
twenty twenty four US Talk, said B.

Speaker 7 (01:53:04):
Said B.

Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
News Talks. There'd be well a massive ken of sport
a head and in studio is Dean McLaughlin.

Speaker 3 (01:53:12):
Get a d tyler. How are you very good?

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
You're looking the part. I've got to say, mate, what
does that say? It's an All Blacks jersey, but it
says SBC Tour Wellington.

Speaker 32 (01:53:20):
Yeah, we went to the Blizzerslow Cup a few months
ago in SBC stands for Saintly Boys Club.

Speaker 3 (01:53:25):
We do good work, kind of good work.

Speaker 32 (01:53:28):
We support local businesses like Craft Blue Brewers and really
give them something bad.

Speaker 3 (01:53:33):
Yeah, we done community man, I like it. So what's
not to be missed this weekend?

Speaker 32 (01:53:37):
Not to be missed as the rugby All Blacks versus
Island tomorrow morning in Dublin kickoff nine ten am and
Elliott Smith with a.

Speaker 3 (01:53:44):
Call on News Talk zb ah. Yes he'll give them
that a hundi.

Speaker 2 (01:53:47):
Yeah, which way are you picking?

Speaker 32 (01:53:49):
I'd like to think we can get up, but of
the last ten matches we've won five, they've won five
and the last encounter was that Rugby Will Cup quarter
final where we won. Just so there's genuine animosity these
days and who knows what's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:54:03):
Yeah, give them a taste a mat.

Speaker 4 (01:54:05):
Yeah, give the taste the key. I've put money on
the All Blacks. You'll make money over time betting on
the All Blacks.

Speaker 3 (01:54:10):
If you're insomniac, well I do wood chopping. It's on YouTube.

Speaker 32 (01:54:14):
Keey Fomer Jack Jordan is in the Timbersports World Champs.
He's taking part in the teams overnight and then the
individual wood chopping exciting. It is from Toulouse in France
on Sunday morning.

Speaker 3 (01:54:28):
And that guy is a legend.

Speaker 32 (01:54:29):
He's a three time World Trophy winner, but he's never
won the long form World Champs like Jason Winyard and
David Bolts Dad.

Speaker 3 (01:54:37):
So yet get in behind him.

Speaker 2 (01:54:38):
He's an absolute beast, isn't he. He's a mountain of
a man, six five.

Speaker 5 (01:54:43):
And fifteen kegs.

Speaker 32 (01:54:44):
I think that's a bit light though.

Speaker 3 (01:54:46):
Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
If you've done the chores at home, you've done the
gardening community service.

Speaker 32 (01:54:51):
I think you can do the Netwell Fast five World
Series on Saturday and Sunday from christ Church. Australia is
the two time defending champs, but New Zealand will be
inspired by that three to one Constellation Cup win, so
that'll be a good one. And in football, the A
League Wellington Phoenix.

Speaker 3 (01:55:05):
Men are away to Central Coast.

Speaker 32 (01:55:06):
Mariner's six o'clock on Sunday from Gosford, and the big
question is can they bounce back from the two Neil
Derby loss to Auckland FC. And if you're a masochist,
do league The kiwis against Papua New Gideon and the
Pacific Championships, which is a promotion relegation. If we lose this,
we get under the second tier while we were going

(01:55:28):
to be playing the likes of Fiji and Cook Islands.
So we need to win that to stay in the
top tier. Against Tonga and Australia. That's on from eight
twenty on Sunday from Sydney, with following the final between
Australia and Tonga.

Speaker 2 (01:55:43):
Love it mate, good to see you go. The AB's
enjoy tomorrow, enjoy the weekends.

Speaker 3 (01:55:47):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 32 (01:55:48):
And also if you're an insomniac, don't forget the cricket.
The black Caps up against Sri Lanka on Sunday morning.

Speaker 3 (01:55:53):
Oh let's go all right, have a great weekend everyone
and give them a taste of kiwi from me.

Speaker 2 (01:55:58):
Ain't well, You're off to the duned and beer fish
just before we quickly wrap up. Enjoy that mate, Yeah,
that's right.

Speaker 4 (01:56:03):
They need and Berfest, and tonight I am at the
National Apprentice of the Year twenty twenty four awards.

Speaker 3 (01:56:08):
That is a great night here in Auckland. But yeah,
if you're down at your fist and you see me,
come up and say have a great weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:56:14):
We will see you next week. See your ladder

Speaker 1 (01:56:59):
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