Full Show Podcast: 08 September 2025

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first one number one.

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Tell you what it's down at Radio Hoodachi the other day.
Good one around at this this morning, and I was like,
this was my that was my home for so very long,
eleven years. I did that show yep. And then now
I go down there and go, no, no, that seems
like a lifetime ago.

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It is a great place to be. Well, how long
until you're on the next floor, mate, it's pretty good
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I could see that. I could see that. Yeah, Boxy
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Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
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Speaker 3 (01:51):
The very good Afternoons You welcome into Monday show. Really
good to have your company as always.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Get a mess, get a Tyler, get it everyone. Thank
you so much for tuning in. Hope you had a
fantastic weekend. We have three hours of average to above
every radio for him.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yep, we can promise you that much and what a
weekend it was. Now mate, you were at the game yourself,
How was your experience?

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Oh my god, what an experience. So incredibly the whole
area around the city was absolutely buzzing before the game.
Walking in there, South African fans were just so great.
They were giving it one hundred. The restaurants, bars, everything
was incredible. Then walking into the grounds, it felt almost
like a Rugby World Cup. It was so exciting. The

(02:37):
game was great. By the end. Oh my god, nearly
having a heart attack really really made it hard on
the on all of us. But got there and thank goodness,
and the Eden Park record remains. At halftime, I was
there to run a quiz halftime quizep and this was

(02:59):
an intimidating audience in front of me. Right, So we
had a prime minister and ex prime minister, a deputy
Prime minister, a leader of the opposition, various legends of
the game, foreign dignitaries, and so I stand up there
and do my quiz. That is my code quiz.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
That's an intimidating audience, to say the least. And how
did it go?

Speaker 4 (03:21):
Well?

Speaker 2 (03:21):
The first question, I thought, well, I'm looking at all
these politicians and the first question I've got to ask
is political, So I went straight in for one. Who
was the President of the United States when the All
Blacks last lost at Eden Park?

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Great question?

Speaker 2 (03:35):
And then supplementary question, who was the Prime Minister in
New Zealand?

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Very good?

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Do you know the answer?

Speaker 3 (03:41):
No? So who was the US president the last time.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
The All Blacks lost at Eden Park?

Speaker 3 (03:47):
So that was nineteen thirty seven or no, not to
South Africa, just in.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
General nineteen it was nineteen ninety four. The last time
we lost there, it was to France.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Clinton, the trophrom the End of the World Clinton, Yeah, yeah,
I love it.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
And the PM of New Zealand, our PM, who was
our PM at.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
The time, Helen Clark, no mane Ah Shipley no mate,
oh no, Bulger Bulger, Bulger, bulger. Oh fantastic bul joy questions,
thank you, Yeah, love it. Fantastic weekend And we're so
happy they won that game. And we'll see what happens
on Saturday night in Wellington. Right on to today's show
after three o'clock. We've already had so much buying for

(04:28):
this one. Reading is in trouble around the world. Multiple
studies in multiple places show the same thing. Adults are
reading less, children are reading less, teenagers are reading a
lot less, and very small children are being read to less.
So in America the share of people who read for
pleasure has fallen by two fifths in twenty years, and
a you gov survey found that in England forty percent

(04:51):
of Britain's have not read or listened to any books
last year.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
It's all part of the diminishing attention span. I think
it's down to about thirty seconds. It's fallen off a
cliff in the last fifteen years and really falling off
a cliff in the last five to eight years. Attention
pan is so small now that people can't even read
two pages of a book yep. And it has serious
replicasions for repercussions for a democracy, because if people are

(05:15):
getting there, if people are getting all their political views
from short tweets and even worse, obviously TikTok, then we
are not going to have a very sensible discussion around
major issues, are we. And not to say that the
reading should be political, but just if you can't read
a whole book, then you're unlikely to be able to

(05:37):
really ingest the amount of reading you need to do
to have a reasoned opinion on absolutely anything. So you know,
are you making your kids read? Are they reading? And
you know what are they reading? And do you think
reading is important? But you know, even adults, So adults
are finding it harder and harder to sit down and
read a book, definitely because our smartphones are raising our

(06:00):
attention span.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Hand up on one of those people. But there's going
to be a great chat after three o'clock. After two o'clock,
an article in The Telegraph asked the question what is
being rich in twenty twenty five? That asks a series
of questions about individual health. But when it comes to
being rich, many are looking at wealth in a way
that's outside of money.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, so it's changed a lot, hasn't it? What being
rich is in twenty twenty five? It's interesting people always
point out even the poorest people in New Zealand live
better than kings in the Middle Ages one hundred percent.
Arguably so, But what does rich look like? And let's
not even take rich, let's take comfortable. What do you

(06:39):
have to be to be comfortable in New Zealand? What
do you need? And does it? Is it even a
financial thing? Who knows? Yeah, that's one hundred and eighty
ten eighty what does it mean to be comfortable and
rich in New Zealand and twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Five looking forward to that after two o'clock. But right now,
let's have a chat about a colorful makeover coming for
Auckland's Perimo Remo prison unit, which houses some of our
worst criminals. But it won't be anything too flashy. This
is according to prison itself, it's in a bid to
lift oppressive conditions. This is the prisoners of extreme risk units.
So it's receiving a fresh paint job with colorful designs

(07:13):
and shapes. It's on the back of the Human Rights
Commissioner saying something needs to be done to make prison
life a literal less grim than it is right now.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
So, no matter what you have you, no matter what
you've done, do you just still deserve human rights? Is
really the question. It is the age old question. You know,
do you make prison just so horrible? And this is
let's take this across all prisons, in all parts of prison,
right yeah, you know, not just this particular area. But
do you make prison just so horrible that it puts
people off committing crimes? Or do you make it slightly

(07:45):
more bearable, such that you don't turn make criminals worse
and more damaged and more likely to do even terribler
things when they come out. Or is prison just about revenge,
because that's part of justice, isn't it. It is so
you want to know if something terrible is happened to
your family, that the person that did it is getting
punished to the full stint of what's available to us. Yeah,

(08:10):
and you may not want a flashy, lovely prison with
nice colored walls. You might want a gray, grim, terrible,
hell like situation for them.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Nine two nine two. What do you say about this?
Two prisoners deserve to have colorful murals and to make
their living conditions a bit more colorful? Or should it
remain as grim as possible with some form of punishment
for the very fact that they're in there. Love to
hear from you on Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,
that is the number to call. Coming up next, though,

(08:40):
we are going to cross live to Jordan Dunn. He
is on the ground in Peel Peel and he's going
to bring us the latest in the situation. After the
shooting of Tom Phillips, the fatal shooting of Tom Phillips
and the current search for his remaining children. So Jordan
Dunn is coming up next. It is fourteen past one.
You're listening to Matt and Tyler the.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
in between.

Speaker 5 (09:05):
Matt Heath and Tayler Adams.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
Afternoons News Talks, AB say, as we know, major police
operation is under way to find fugitive Marta Cooper's father,
Tom Phillips, remaining two children after he was shot dead
by police on a rural white couple road. News Talks.
There be's Jordan done is on the ground in Peel
Peel and joins us. Now, Jordan, very good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
To you, Hey guys, Ajan a good thanks. Fist up.
Any word on the condition of the police officer that
was shot.

Speaker 6 (09:36):
Well, all we really know is there was a shot
injury to the years and they're still in a critical condition.
They're going to be undergoing multiple surgeries. But other than
that's not really much information. All I can really say, though,
is that in the press conference with the acting Deputy Commissioner,
there was this sense of heaviness that this was a
really serious incident, and that is that the injuries are

(09:58):
quite bad. So we're really just going to be hearing
the updates, you know, throughout the day, and there was
going to be another press conference you know, in the
area at about three o'clock maybe three point thirty, where
we're hoping get some of that more information.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Do we know what has happened with the child who
was with his dad? Has he been looked after by
authorities or family?

Speaker 6 (10:16):
Well, they're not telling us which of the children it is,
But what we do know is the mother has been
informed of the incident, but the mother, at least earlier today,
hadn't seen the child. They say that they're still in
police custody and they're being dealt with by police Starff
and byoding A Tambarriti. And that's really all the information
they've given us in terms of that. They're not really

(10:37):
giving any more information about who it is, which are
the children, and which of the other two children are
missing and so again more hopefully all this afternoon.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
What sort of police presence is on the ground in
Popo at the moment, Jordan, Are you seeing quite a
number of police? Are you seeing any choppers? In the
sky any of that sort of activity.

Speaker 6 (10:53):
There's definitely a lot of police resources. Police have said
that they're kind of putting out everything that's available to
them to find these last two children. They're accordings, there
are accordings, you know, on the way to Matakopa, and
there's also cordons where and that was we're kind of
the incident took place. And there's also some cordons around
where you know, there's a police prison around where that
robbery was at Burgleary, all that sort of thing. So

(11:16):
a lot of police that are being put out a
lot of police resources to try and track down these
two kids.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
What are the ages of the kids? We don't know
which particular kid was with their father at the time
of these tragic events, but what are the ages of
the three kids?

Speaker 6 (11:31):
So the eldest I believe is twelve years old, the
youngest I believe is nine years old, and the other
one is somewhere in between. You can creet me if
I'm wrong, but I believe that is the age rangers.
And obviously they first this all started three years ago,
so they were all three years young. Women this first started.
I think the first one was you know, close to
five years old when they first went out and they
first disappeared with their father, Tom Phillips. So you can

(11:52):
imagine how hard it is for those kids.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean whichever ones that are out there,
those are young kids out on their own, yes, assumedly
out on their own.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Yeah. So we heard on that police stand up and
it seemed like police, we're absolutely unsure of where these
children are. Is that the situation as you understand it,
that they've literally do not know where these children are?
Or could it be a situation where they might know
where they are and they're just assessing the situation before
they hit it.

Speaker 6 (12:24):
Yeah, well that's exactly what I asked. They asked you,
so you know that these still two children are out there,
but do you know at all where they are? And
they said no. But the weird thing is this kid,
this child that they do have, They say they are cooperating.
So I'm wondering at what stage are they being asked
where the children are? Does the other one know where
those are the two children are? But what they have

(12:45):
see it is even if they do know, even if
they do find out, they're not going to reveal to us.
They're going to be keeping that a secret maybe further
down the line, but until those two are found, we
really just have no idea. And I guess that's why
there's so many police resources on the ground, so they
can I don't know, comb the area and just try
and track them down.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Oh yeah, well, let's just hope that the one that
they are looking after now knows with the other two
owners willing to chat, that would be good news. So
what first alladed the alerted police to the scene. I
believe it was about three point thirty in the morning.
What was the call out?

Speaker 6 (13:19):
Well, it was actually slightly earlier when there was a
member of the public who felt like there was something
going on at a commercial address in Piopio and it
appeared like it was a burglary. Now police say that
the description of them was, you know, two people on
a quad bike, one larger, one smaller, and they were
in farm gear and they thought, well, this matches the

(13:40):
description of Tom Phillips, and that's when they sent out
more resources to try and find them. And they knew
that obviously they'd be trying to go back to Matakoppa
some way. So what they did is they laid spikes
along the intersection that would be going that way, and
fear enough they were driving on the quad bike and
they got spiked. Then further down the line they were
able to track them and one one police officer in

(14:02):
their car was able to go and find the where
the quad bike had come to a stop and that's
where their altercation took place, where the was shot injured
and Tom Fillips was shot and killed.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Have we heard anything from Tom Phillips's.

Speaker 6 (14:14):
Family at the stage, not much. I believe the sister
of Tom Phillips has spoken to RNZ and mentioned earlier
on and they confirmed that Tom Phillipps was the person
that was killed. The mother has been contacted by police,
but as far as I know, she hasn't made any
public statements yet. And the police were just saying Tom

(14:35):
Phillips's family has been informed, they know all of this
has happened. I think we're just going to wait. It
might just be a bad matter of time until they
choose to if they want to, you know, make it
come out and make a public statement.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
When is the next major press conference from authorities on this, as.

Speaker 6 (14:52):
In one book they have indicated there'll be one three
o'clock maybe three point thirty in the White Timer area.
They did this because instead of being at Hamilton like
it was earlier, because they figured a lot of the
media would be out there. Like we are to kind
of assess the situation. It could be Impure Pure, it
could be in Matacopa. We know it's kind of in
that vicinity. Imagine it'll being Pure Pure, But that's just

(15:12):
my assumption. And really what information we're going to be
listening for. What's the condition of the officer, and too,
we're the kids. Those are the two questions.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yep, Jordan, thank you very much for that update. We'll
have a chat to you a little bit later this afternoon.

Speaker 6 (15:27):
Thanks Jech.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
That is Newstalks. Airb's Jordan done with the latest line
from Pure Pure in regards to the investigation after the
fatal shooting of Tom Phillips and the search for his
remaining two children. As mentioned, we will continue to bring
you updates on that story throughout the afternoon, and just
being confirmed, we are going to talk to why Tomo
meor John robertson after two o'clock as well. It is

(15:49):
News Talks AIRB listening to Matt and Tyler. Let's get
back to the story. We are talking about this hour,
which is a colorful makeover coming for Auckland's Perimo Remo prison.
It's in a bid to lift its oppressive conditions, so
custod corrections rather custodial Services. Commissioner Lee Marsh says triangles
that look like trees will be part of the new

(16:10):
paintings in a bid to lift the oppressive nature of
the prison currently. This comes after Chief Ombuds and Peter
Boucher outline concerns about human rights abuses within our prison system,
and he said at the time, I consider the human
impact of the conditions and treatment of the people in
custody in Pettimedumu to be cruel, in humane and degrading.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
So do you agree with this or do you think,
as this text does, that prison should be as close
to hell as we can make it. Why would you
even talk about this? Not good?

Speaker 7 (16:40):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (16:40):
What one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call?
Nine to ninety two is that text number? It's twenty
four past one.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

Speaker 8 (16:50):
Breakfast Prime Minister crystobal Lux and joins us. Sixty six
percent of the government want out of Paris? How do
you handle the.

Speaker 9 (16:55):
Coalition government has made the correct assessment that actually, if
you want to come out of Paris, that is a
massive punishment to our farmers and it's going to make
Ordany Cylanders poor because a large multinational countries that.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
We sell our products to, they're going to kick us
off our shelves. They equally it.

Speaker 8 (17:08):
Wasn't for the farmers because you reference trade here and
it's tied up in trade deals. But there's an exercise
in saving the planet.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
It's not working. I mean that's just a statement effect.

Speaker 9 (17:17):
Well, I mean we are doing we are prioritizing economic
growth in this country.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
So do you still believe?

Speaker 8 (17:22):
In twenty fifty knits Er back tomorrow at six am,
The Mic Asking Breakfast with Mayley's Real Estate.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
News Talk zid B twenty seven past one. So a
colorful makeover is coming for Auckland's Perimo Remo prison. It's
in a bid to lift its oppressive conditions. Mike spoke
to Corrections Custodial Services Commissioner Lee Marsh this morning and
asked them what exactly will be painted.

Speaker 10 (17:43):
We're not talking about pictures of people and landscapes. We're
talking about a range of colors that kind of more
natural colors, sort of hues of blues and greens, and
we're talking about geometric triangles that to be frank to
look a little bit like trees. But we keep them
nice and simple because they've all been with stencils, and
inevitably this is a prison unit and things will get

(18:04):
damaged and grafited, and we can just pop in with
the spencil and read.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
It repainted something that they didn't get the prisoners to
paint it. And for security reasons, they didn't get their
prisoners to paint it. But I mean, if you bring
them some paint and some paint brushes, what can they
really do with paint and paint brushes.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
There's not much you can do with that.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
I guess the stencils might be, might be, might be
a problem. Yeah, but I would have thought bringing contractors
in would have its own security risks. You know, someone
comes in with a you know, ten liters of dulux
or a sore in it.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Yeah, very very true. Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. Do you think this is
worthwhile to lift these so called oppressive conditions? Or do
these prisoners deserve the grim conditions they currently living in.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Craig, welcome to the show. Your thoughts, Yeah, guy, guys.

Speaker 11 (18:54):
Hey, they always used to have the crime up an
old power. They always had a painting crew who would
go around painting, painting on the walls and that kind
of thing. So they can't mustn't do that anymore. But
they were talking about hind needs, the hind needs units. Now,
you've got to remember a lot of those guys in
the high needs unit. If we still had mental hospitals

(19:18):
and that they wouldn't be in prison, and they are
victims of the you know, the government or whoever. I
think it was labor back in the day that shut
these hospitals down. I remember when I worked there. I
was on night shift one evening and it was in

(19:39):
what they called the assessment block, which was where guides
of mental illness and that kind of thing. And there
was a guy there who was down near suicidal because
he was getting released in a few days and he
was scared he was going to reoffend. And I said, well,
why would you reoffend? And he said, when I'm in
here and I get my medication, I know what I've done,

(20:03):
and I know it's wrong. When I get released, there's
no one to give him my menu occasion I think
I'm well, so I stopped taking it, but I can't
feel myself flipping backs.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
At the.

Speaker 11 (20:16):
Person I don't want to be. And this is the
problem with not having our hospitals.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Mhm.

Speaker 11 (20:25):
So you know, I really feel for some of the
guys in there. Because a society and treated them right
and governments were having proper places for them, they would
never be in prison.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
How do you wear that with the needs of these people,
with the needs of you know, of the victims, and
the need for punishment to make them be able to
get on with their lives, knowing that that these people,
that this person that's committed this crime has been punished properly.

Speaker 11 (20:51):
Absolutely, there's some there's there's there's a lot of guys
in prison where I believe you ight away to keep
give them nothing, you know, But I'm talking about the
ones that they got.

Speaker 12 (21:02):
Me to.

Speaker 11 (21:03):
Describe as your special needs. And these are guys that
the only reason they committed their crime. The guy that
I referred to, he had been in King Seat hospital
from a child right through to an adult and then
he's pussed out on the streets when they close it down.
That's why he's in prison.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah, he doesn't much a victim, right, so he should
You think he should have been institutionalized as his whole
life before he could end up aginstitutionalized for a crime
he thinks he should.

Speaker 11 (21:36):
Be should have been in institutionalized whole life. Now at Kingstey,
they could they are beautiful grounds, they could walk around
in perheads of it, and now had to just read
them within the grounds during the day that they were
monitored and they were cared for, and they had their
medication were keenly given to them, and then they put

(21:56):
them out into society. And a lot of these people
from those hospitals have committed who endus crimes, but they
had Unfortunately we think they're the scum of the earth,
but actually there's just as much a victim as their
victim because of what our government did.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Government does not seem like a good idea to put
people out that believe they're going to re offend again.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Yeah, exactly. I mean that is a special case what
you just mentioned though, isn't it, Craig. And then you
look at the other people on the other side, because
surely if someone like that is worthy of wrap around
service and rehabilitation, even people who commit the worst of
the worst are still worthy of trying to have some
sort of rehab unless they're never getting out of prison.

Speaker 11 (22:42):
Well, you can't, you can't force rehab.

Speaker 7 (22:46):
We have.

Speaker 11 (22:48):
We look like when they want, but it's only comes
with age, okay, and prison. I know Mounted and prison.
There are huge murals around the walls of Mounted and
that were painted by inmates. That was a Roman prison
whom were up at Maxie in the West Division, and
that they didn't have the mules around there, but there

(23:13):
was they did have workshops that they could go to
and and I think all of that's gone now. So
there was you know, there was engineering workshops, who were
the joinery workshops. Who was in the kitchen, there was
the clothing industries and but now and I think there's
there's very little less and flu inmates now sto for work.

(23:37):
So I think that's probably most of the problem because
idle hands.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah, I think if you call.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Craig, Yeah, very interesting. Oh one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. Should our prisons be
grim and oppressive? Or do we need to be doing
more like colorful murals and actually looking after the human
rights of some prisoners.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Matt says, the sex of losing your freedom s less
liberty is your punishment these people who want them to
suffer a little unhinged. I believe, now, if you are
found not guilty by reason of insanity, don't you get
sent you get sent to a different facility. Don't you
secure mental health facility? Am I right? There's the one
in Auckland, that's the Mason Clinic. That's what I believe,

(24:18):
which is you're not sent to if you're found guilty
by reason of insanity, then it's a different.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
It's dedicated hospital prison that is devoted.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Where you could end up there forever.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
Yeah, if you know, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
a number to call, nine two ninety two. And if
you are an ex prisoner or you've got family members
of people who are in prison, what are conditions like
at the moment you agree that the oppress of nature
needs to be lifted up to help these prisoners rehabilitate.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Love to hear from you, guys, from years of personal experience,
making prison anything other than a dungeon is a mistake.
It needs to be hard, ugly and downright mean. This
fulfills some of the needs of the victim, but also
doesn't appeal as an alternative to being a normal nice person.
Took me fifteen years to learn because it was way
too easy. So no paint.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
Thanks Graham, Yeah, thank you very much. It is twenty
five to do. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty eight.
The number call.

Speaker 5 (25:11):
You talk said the.

Speaker 13 (25:13):
Headlines with Blue Bubble taxis that's no trouble with the
Blue Bubble. A major police operation is under way to
find futitive Maracoppa father Tom Phillips, remaining two children after
he was shot dead by police on a rural Waikato road.
Officers responded to reports for breakin at a rural supply
store before Phillips was shot dead after a confrontation with police.

(25:37):
The coalitions unable to form a government. In the latest
political poll, this month's Taxpayers Union Curier Pole paces Labour
on thirty three point eight percent, with National slightly behind
on thirty three point one percent. The sole survivor of
a deadly mushroomed lunch has thanked the prosecution following the
sentencing of triple murderer Aaron Patterson. Patterson's been jailed for

(26:01):
life with a non parole period of thirty three years
for the murder of her husband's relatives after lacing their
beef Wellington's with death cap Mushrooms and senior doctors and
dentists working for Health New Zealand and voted to strike
for forty eight hours overstalled paytalks. The strikes are set
to take place on the twenty third and twenty fourth

(26:22):
of September. How a broken system denied my mum a
peaceful death See the full column at NZED Herald Premium.
Back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Thank you very much, Jody so Pamodmo prison is getting
a bit of a paint job and a bid to
lift oppressive conditions. It's on the back of Chief Ombudsman
Peter Bocher, who outlined is concerned about human rights abuses
within our prison and he said at the time, I
consider the human impact of the conditions and treatment of
the people in custody to be cruel and inhumane.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Fellers, mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent.
That's from David good.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Line that, oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call if you are a victim and the
offender went to prison. How do you feel about this?
Do you want them to be in grim, oppressive prisons
or do you see some merits in the idea of
you know, the idea of murals and making a rehabilitation
perhaps a bit more successful. Vow, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 14 (27:20):
I'm tying thank you. I just was hearing it before,
and I thought of a book I had a few
years ago, and it was about prisons in America and
how they painted some of them all green and pink inside,
and that calmed the people down very much better than
any other color or murals or anything, just plain greens

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and pinks, and it really calmed them down.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
And do you think that's just because? The big question? Valas,
do you think that's a good thing? Do you think
that the present you don't think the prison should be
as horrible as they possibly could.

Speaker 14 (28:01):
For I think they should be horrible, but not in color,
because those two colors are very calming colors. And it
did calm the people down, and it helped a lot
of them for getting out.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
And so what was that do you know the research
behind that val Clearly it worked to some extent and
calming them down, but that was the whole point of
the exercise, right, yes, yep.

Speaker 14 (28:28):
And they would be better to the staff.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Too, Okay, yeah, I mean that's that's a good thing,
because it's a pretty rough job being a you know,
working in the custodial services. I'm just looking at Thank
you for your call, VEW. Whenever you talk about the subject,
people always bring up those Scandinavian countries that always in
the top of all the happiness indexed and punishing stuff,
and then people forget that they just have heaps of

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oil money and that's why they do so well. And
we compare them unfeely with US et cetera, et cetera.
It's another issue. But just looking at these Norwegian prison
cells and they i mean it's a cliche but that
they are hotel.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
Rooms, pretty nice. I've seen them before.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
They're pretty nice, yew, they are.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
It is like a university kind of style hall, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (29:11):
Well.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
I'm looking at one right now and you've got an
inmate who's sitting on the roof in the sun. He's
got a balcony Yep, he's got a balcony and he's
got like a deck chair.

Speaker 5 (29:22):
Lovely.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
I don't know if that's standard. I'd imagine he Isn't
he isn't you know, at the upper end of you know,
I don't imagine he's the most dangerous criminal. But there
are people in Norwegian prisons that can some bathe. I
don't know how often you can sunbathe in Norway.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
I'm pretty sure they've got access to saunas as well,
and that's more than I've got to be honest, I
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighties number to call.
But just on that, I mean, there's that balance right
between say a Mexican prison, which is by all accounts,
do or die. You know, it is dog eat dog,
and the gangs run the roost in those prisons, and
it is diabolical, and you're lucky that you if you

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get one meal a day, you're pretty you're doing pretty well.
Then you've got the old Swedish version of the pre
which is by all accounts almost like university halls. So somewhere,
in my opinion, somewhere in the middle, you've got to
have that ability or the conditions to say that you're
being taken out of society because you've committed wrong against

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people or society. So this is not going to be
some sort of summer camp. And I hate that cliche
and I know it gets used a lot versus conditions
like Mexico prison where you're lucky to make it out
of their lives.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Well, you check out at Ecuadorian prison. Yeah, with that
new president. Boy, boy, that's a busy prison. There's a
prison in the Republic of Congo that has six hundred percent,
so its capacity exceeds by six hundred percent. So they
build a prison for this many people and they've got
six times as many people in there as it's built for.
So if you're meant to have two people in a cell,

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then you've got twelve people in a cell.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Yeah, and wouldn't you do whatever it takes to stay
out of a prison like that?

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Prison has lost their human rights the minute they committed
a crime worthy of prison. The idea is to deter
them from committing crimes, not making them feel welcome and comfortable.
But there's also a middle ground where as val was saying,
where you make them calm and docile, so it's not
so punishing to be a prison guard.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
What do you say, oh, on one hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call? Nine two nine two.
Is improving the conditions of the lunks of perima Remo
a good thing? Or do you think it should be
grim and oppressive? It is sixteen to two.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
This Texas says all prisoners should have access to quality
adult material that will calm them down.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
I wonder if they've got that in Sweden.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
I don't know about Sweden, but I bet they've got
it in Norway. Have a chat with the lads.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
On eight hundred eighty ten eighty Matt Heathen Tayler Adams
Afternoons news Talk.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Sa'd be afternoon to you. So should conditions be fair
and reasonable inside of prisons, particularly perima remo, which is
what we're discussing at the moment. They are looking to
brighten the place up with some murals? Is that the
way we should be going? Love to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Come on, guys, don't be so cliche. Yes, the Norwegian
prisons have amazing facilities, but also their recidivism rates are
way lower than in our failed system. The definition of
madness is doing the same thing over and over and
expecting a different result. Thanks for your text, Frank, But
that sort of leaves out the other part of it,
which is what makes all this stuff so complicated, is

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that there is an aspect of justice which is revenge
on the person that's committed the crime. And whether that
makes sense or not, or whether that's magical thinking, who knows.
But if a terrible crime has happened to someone in
your family, you want to know that the person that
did it is getting punished. I mean, that's part of it.

(32:50):
That's part of justice, it's human nature, part of it's
keeping them off the streets, part of its rehabilitation, surely,
and part of it is revenge.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
I can absolutely understand that if you've been a victim
of crime and the offender went to jail. Love to
hear what you think about this.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
But I totally see your point. I mean, if someone's
going to come out of prison, if you know they're
not going to be there forever. If they're going to
be there forever, that's a different story. But if they're
going to come out of prison and rejoin society, then
do you want them to come out in a worse,
more violent, more horrific state. Than they win in or
do you want them to come out and once they've
served their time, be able to re enter society and

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be a functioning member of society. As this Texas said,
the lowest rates of recidivism are in the countries with
the highest emphasis on education and rehabilitation in prison. The
more brutal the prison system, the more violent society becomes outside.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Yeah, that is the flip side of it. Absolutely. One
hundred and eighty ten eighty is number to call.

Speaker 15 (33:41):
Get a John, Good afternoon.

Speaker 16 (33:44):
How are you guys?

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Very good? So what's your take on this? You've been
to or you'll visit at Mount Eden?

Speaker 17 (33:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (33:51):
Yeah, I had a fan who unfortunately spend some Roman
time in there in the old prison and walking through
that prison. That's a place which I would never ever
want to visits or god, I'll go in at any time.
But I I think that that's the way prison should be.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
I mean Mount Eden prisons are particularly imposing looking Victorian
era prison, isn't it. If you if you were going
to create a clich terrifying prison for a movie, it
would be Mount Eden Prison, wouldn't it, John?

Speaker 16 (34:33):
Exactly?

Speaker 18 (34:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (34:34):
Yeah, it was just a horrible place, and I certainly
wouldn't want to commit a crime and end up there. Well,
I wouldn't want to commit a crime, but I wouldn't
want to end up there at any time. What what
was your friend there for, John, Well, it was just
before Christmas.

Speaker 14 (34:54):
It was.

Speaker 16 (34:57):
They were they were at a party and his girlfriend
was a bit under the weather and he put into
bed and then he went into check on it and
a guy was trying to climb in bed with a
and he he just said it once and and unfortunately
he broke.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
His neck and so killed him.

Speaker 16 (35:17):
Yeah, didn't result was manslaughter, but yeah, it was just
a sad thing because he was a nice guy, but
he was a big guy.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
And yeah, so see a crime like that is I
think about my own situation, is that what was to
happen to a family member?

Speaker 19 (35:38):
Man?

Speaker 3 (35:38):
That is yeah, devastating for your friend and for all involved.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Oh sorry, right, but.

Speaker 16 (35:48):
I still believe that you know, people were taking and
putting in that prison, they wouldn't want to go there again.
And that's I believe that maybe that will put a
lot of people off. There's obviously a lot of criminals
which you never never ever give up and still end

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up in jail for the most of their life.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Think you you kill John so mounted in prison? They
I don't think they're still I could be wrong, someone
can crept me on this, but I feel like they're
not using the old part of it anymore. I think
there's the other parts of it have been built since.
But I think that incredibly imposing looking ancient part of
the prison isn't housing anyone at the moment.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Yeah, someone, I think I read something like that. That's
the Shawshank Redemption kind of style. Old brickwork and imposing.
But yeah, whether they've still got a mates and they're
nine two nine two if you know, I.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Mean they've got mates in the area and the right
of thing. But I'm not sure they're actually in those
those old old cells. But but but I could be wrong,
and if they're not, we should opened that up for tourists.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Absolutely, I'd love to go because.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
The Melbourne prison is incredible and you go in there.
Have you been to the Melbourne Prison known and the
cells have got the death masks they used to make
the masks of the criminal's faces before they hung them
in the prison. Yeah, So you go into these els
and they've got these death marks for.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
Reebe one of the most famous ones.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Here is need killer in there?

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Anyone spoky Oh. Eight hundred Haight topic eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. It is eight minutes to
two back very shortly listening to Matt and Tyner.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heath and Tylor Adams
afternoons news talks be.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Five to two Dennis, Very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 20 (37:33):
Hello, Yeah, I'm calling about this topic. It's very very
simple actually that you can google it. Do harsh prison
sentences reduce crime? The answer comes up, No, they increase time.
So sending people to prison for harsh and harsher senators
a very expensive way of increasing the crime rate. And

(37:54):
if all people wants revenge, I've got to disagree with
you here. The revenge has got no place in justice.
Revenges for fools. In this particular case, the old saying
he who seeks revenge digs two graves is very apparent.
So somebody does something wrong to you and then they
get this harsh prison sentence makes you feel good, But

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this kind of thing increases the crime rate. So these
total strangers who will be victims of future increased crimes,
pay the price for you to enjoy this nice little
feeling of revenge.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
Think you for you called Tennis very nicely, pot I
think yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
I mean it is interesting because it feels like the
universe has been balanced if someone does something and then
we do something to them, But the universe hasn't really
been balanced. But it's really hard to tell that to
someone who's been the victim of a crime or someone
in their family has been a victim of a crime.
Mount Eden Prison has been close since twenty eleven, right
about that. And it is need Kelly's death mask that
you can find in the Melbourne prison.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
I just had a look at photos that looks like
a grand prison man.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Yeah, fantastic discussion. Thank you very much everyone who called
in text on that one. Coming up after two o'clock
we are going to speak with John Robinson, he's the
White Tomo District Council mayor on the latest in the
investigation into the fatal shooting of Tom Phillips and the
search for his missing two children. So that is coming
up straight after two o'clock. You're listening to Matt and Tyler.
Hope you having a good afternoon talking.

Speaker 5 (39:17):
With you all. Afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams
Afternoons news Talks.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
It'd be very good afternoon to you six pass too.
We've got a jam pant couple of hours for you
as the show carries on. But just before we get
to that, mate, how was your Father's Day?

Speaker 21 (39:33):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Thank you for asking. I had an absolutely fantastic Father's Day.
Like all the dads that were ringing through, you just
want to spend time with your kids. But my two
sons got together and they decided to go out to
the supermarket and buy some ingredients and make me a
delicious lunch together. My two sons good boys bats. Worryingly,
the dish they made was a beef Wellington, right, And

(39:56):
when they served up the beef Wellington, each one of
the beef Wellington's had a different face on it, So
I was wondering, did they know who's having witch? And
you know, I didn't see them going out to the
field to click mushrooms or anything, so look and just
love my kids. So I just went and ate the
beef Wellington. I didn't wait for other people to eat
it to see if it was poison and good news,

(40:18):
my kids weren't trying to poison me.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
That'd some high level trolling like father like son, mate,
that is some good work from your boys.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Beef Wellington is a delicious thing. I know that hasn't
turned out great in Australia in recent years. But a
beef Wellington done well by two sons that love you, yeah,
is a beautiful, beautiful thing. So thank you to one
of my fantastic boys, Chairs and Bears.

Speaker 20 (40:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
What a great lunch. Hard thing to pull off, I've
got to say, so, some good shifts in your family, mate, Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
And they also had a side of Brussels sprouts that
they made delicious as well.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
I saw that in the photo. You lucky lucky man
looked really good.

Speaker 20 (40:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
I mean that's a high level of difficulty. Delicious Brussel
sprouts and a non fatal beef wellington.

Speaker 22 (40:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
Well, those two boys, right, let's have a chat about this.
An article in The Telegraph asked the question what has
been rich in twenty twenty five? So it asked a
series of questions about wealth. How much you need to
earn to be considered somewhat wealthy, but also the number
of people that were looking at wealth in a way
that was kind of outside of monetary.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Yes, So if you work it out, you know, the
article puts a figure on it, which is two hundred
and thirteen thousand pounds a year to be rich, Yes,
and that puts you in the top one percent or
one point two million dollars of outright assets one point
two million pounds of outside efforts. But what does it
mean to be rich in New Zealand? Because it's an
interesting topic because often political parties will try and defind

(41:41):
who's wealthy so they can tax them more. And you know,
you could look at the morality of that because wealthy
people already pay more tax and whatever just by virtue
of the percentage of money they make whatever. So government's
are always trying to find who's wealthy so they can
punish them with heavier taxes they're give to other people.
So it's something worth talking about. But you know, there's

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other things about you know, being rich. You can be
rich in other ways. Generally, being younger makes you richer
just because you've got more energy and you've got your
health and you've got your time. Rich you've got your
whole life ahead of you.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Health is a massive thing.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
For anyone out there that doesn't have their health, I'd
be looking at younger people and say, enjoy it where
you got it?

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Yeah, oh absolutely. I mean you can be incredibly wealthy
and in a horrific relationship that just makes your life
a misery. So you can be incredibly wealthy and miserable
and not have someone that loves you.

Speaker 9 (42:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Do you feel rich?

Speaker 2 (42:32):
I feel very lucky and grateful for the existence I have,
very very grateful.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
That is nice.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Yeah, And why is that more?

Speaker 3 (42:39):
That's more than monetary considerations. That's your general philosophy on
what you've got.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Sometimes I think I might live in a simulation because
my life is so good, and sometimes I walk around
and go, this doesn't seem right. How can everything be
so good for me? But you know so, then in
which case I do feel rich.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Yeah, well that is a good thing. Oh wait, one
hundred eighty ten eighty What is wealth to you in
twenty twenty five? If it is based on what you earn,
love to hear from you, and how much you I
think you need to earn to feel that you're doing
well in life and also those considerations outside monetary values
as well. Love me here from it.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
It's an interesting thing. You could be renting house and
be richer than someone that's leveraged themselves to two point
five million dollars mortgage to be live in a nicer
house that they arguably own, but the bank oons.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
Yeah, very triplicated. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Really can you hear from you
on this one? Nine two ninety two is the text
number as well, And we'll get into this one and
coming up next we will have a chat to John Robinson,
he's the mayor of why Tomo, to get his thoughts
about the situation that unfolded this morning and the ongoing
policing investigations. So that is coming up. It is eleven

(43:47):
past two.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Your home of afternoon talk, mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons.

Speaker 5 (43:53):
Call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk said be.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
It is fourteen past two. So police are urgently searching
for Tom Phillips remaining two children after he was fatally
shot on a rural y Cuttle road following a burglary
in PA. John Robinson is way Tomo, Mia, an area
that includes Porpo and Model KRPA, and he joins us
on the phone right now, John, thank you very much

(44:19):
for speaking with us. Really appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Yeah, no problem now, John, I mentioned it's a small community,
so you will know the people involved. Do you have
any news on the police officer who was injured.

Speaker 15 (44:30):
I don't have any updates further than those that the
police have given, but as you say, he's a local
community cop in our community and very very sad.

Speaker 23 (44:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
What is the feeling on the ground in the Waite
Tomo community after this? John?

Speaker 15 (44:49):
Look, I think you know, we're all a bit shattered.

Speaker 23 (44:53):
Really.

Speaker 15 (44:53):
It's the you know, the worst outcome that we might
have expected from this.

Speaker 23 (45:00):
It has.

Speaker 15 (45:02):
Gone on for close to four years, and you know,
every so often we I've had an incident or an
alleged offense, but we've never really known for sure what's
going on. So to hear this this morning, it's just
tragic in so many ways for so many people.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yeah, I bet. Do you have any any details on
the search for the kids that aren't currently in care.

Speaker 15 (45:31):
No, the roads are closed around the area that the
police are focused on, but I've got no update that
further than what police have reported publicly.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Is there is there some way specific members of the
public can send any tips or sightings to help the search.

Speaker 15 (45:50):
Look, I think it is really important if anyone now
knows anything about where the children might be to talk
to the police. You know, this is we now have
two children, and I guess in the front of all
our minds throughout this four year period have been the
the health and safety of the children. So really important

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to contact the police if there's any knowledge in the
community about where they may be.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
And from your understanding, John, that the child who was
with Tom Phillips is assisting police with their investigation and
that search.

Speaker 15 (46:31):
Look, I can only assume so and and hope that
that's the case. So that may be where some knowledge
comes from.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
And you know, when they get the kids back, how
will the community and council will be able to help them.
You know, have you got any thoughts on how that
will play out?

Speaker 15 (46:53):
Goodness knows. Look, there's obviously there's there's Tom's parents in
the community, good long standing citizens here. There is, as
we all suspect, a custody issue that had gone on
for some years. Just how this will work out? I

(47:15):
don't know, but you know, these three little kids have
lost their dad now too, and so uh there'll be
counseling and all sorts of services offered. But how the
resolution you know, this is whether this ends up through
family court and how it's resolved. Goodness knows.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Now this this, this sort of tragic events are making
huge global news. What does this mean for the area
going forward?

Speaker 15 (47:48):
Look, the area we're made up of a number of
rural communities if you like, so I have you know,
the communities will get behind those who are directly affected
by this and help. So obviously in pupu we We,
in Ari area we know the cockwell and in Maracopa

(48:15):
the community will be great, so you know, that's that's
that's what ural communities are like.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
Absolutely, What would be your message, John for for for
others around New Zealand. Obviously this is a significant story
and it has been for some time. What would you
say to people outside of the community and around New Zealand.

Speaker 15 (48:37):
Just you know, thanks for the support that's that's been
being offered from some people. But you know, we we will,
we will move through this. A lot of water to
go under the bridge yet, But yep, the White Homer community,
King Country community is strong and resilient and we'll look

(49:00):
after those most affective.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Well, all the best, mate, I can only imagine what
a tough time it is for you and your community.
So yes, say all the best, and yeah, our thoughts
are with the police officer who has been injured in
his family.

Speaker 15 (49:15):
Yeah, thanks for.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
That, Thank you very much. John, really appreciate your time
and speaking with us. That is John Robinson, mayor of
why Tomo. Incredibly trying time for that community and for
John himself, and we will of course continue to bring
you updates on that situation as the afternoon progresses. It
is nineteen past two, right, we're going to get back

(49:39):
into the discussion that we're having right now, right now
about what it means to be rich in twenty twenty five.
We've already had a bunch of texts coming through. This
is on the back of the story out of the
Telegraph that asked that very question and ask a bunch
of questions about what you need to earn to be
considered rich, but also that wider philosophy about being rich
outside of monetary value. So can you hear your views? Oh,

(50:01):
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It's twenty past two.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on used talk ZV.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Very good afternoon to you. So we are asking about
what is been rich in twenty twenty five and I'd
love to hear your thoughts on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Obviously there are some figures that have been bandied about
in this Telegraph article about what you need to earn
to be considered wealthy.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Well that's a British article, so they think they've worked
out two hundred and thirteen thousand pounds a year as
rich under their definition, that puts you in the top
one percent of earnest so it's rich top one percent.
I would say that you're rich if you're in the
top twenty five percent, aren't you? If you're top one
and four, you have to be in the top one
percent to be rich. I guess who knows what the

(50:51):
word rich means. So maybe comfortable is a better way
to look at it, because it has been said, and
I said this before, that if you can go out
this wouldn't be considered rich. But if you can go
out for dinner at a restaurant and at no point
you're thinking about how much is the bill going to be?

(51:12):
Then that has been said, is the first time that
people feel satisfied, the first feeling that they're satisfied that
they're doing well in life. So you don't, you know,
at no point in the dinner are you worrying about
how much it's going to cost. Yeah, and that probably
doesn't sound like a huge, huge thing, but it is.
But you know, rich, as we all know, it doesn't

(51:32):
mean happy.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Yeah. Well, well that is the definition definition of comfortable
if you can order as much wine as you want
and not have to worry about looking at your bank
account the next day. Absolutely. Oh, one hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to cour Plenty of texts coming
through on nine two ninety two as well, Mark, how
are you this afternoon?

Speaker 22 (51:50):
Gentlemen? How are you?

Speaker 5 (51:51):
God?

Speaker 22 (51:52):
You're so good? Yeah, I just want to have a
chat to you about the difference between riches and well.
I got a little story to tell you many years ago.
I'm going back fifty years ago, but probably more. Friends
of my parents took the family to return journey to
the Netherlands and on and on the way that I

(52:13):
stop over in Singapore, and Singapore was not the flash
thing that is today. It was sort of pretty basic. Anyway,
they went shopping, and in this particular they had to
wander around these shops, and they wanted into a shop
of an elderly Chinese gentleman and on the way out
he counted the children and as they walked out of
the shop, he had one, two, three, four, five, And

(52:35):
he turned to the father of the children and he said,
are they all yours? And he said yes. He said,
you're a wealthy man. I noticed he didn't say you're
a rich man. Yeah, right, you're a wealthy and he
knew the difference between riches and wealth.

Speaker 5 (52:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
I mean that is a great line and certainly holds
a lot of truth when you look at someone in
that situation that manages they have five beautiful children, that
is that is very wealthy in a lot of people's eyes.
Is how you feel, Mark, Do you think you're you're
a wealthy man on that that equation?

Speaker 12 (53:05):
Oh?

Speaker 22 (53:06):
Yes, because because I've got seven seven.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Yeah, that's pretty wealthy.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
Well done.

Speaker 22 (53:12):
I'm blessed and very wealthy in that department.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Yeah, but I imagine having imagine having seven kids affects
the other definition of wealth.

Speaker 22 (53:25):
Well, I wouldn't say it has, but it could do that.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Yeah, Well, good on you, Mark. It sounds like you've
cracked the code.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Thank you very much. I mean, there is a lot
of truth to that that that idea between richness and
wealth and having healthy children and a lot of them
would certainly come unto I. Certainly. I look at people
like that, you know. I look at you, mate, and
I think you're a very lucky man and a very
rich man to have two beautiful sons who cook your
the lights of beef Wellington. That's you know, that is

(53:55):
very wealthy.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Yeah, and not poisons peaf Wellington, as I said said before.
But I always think it's funny when you know young
people in their twenties and you see this a lot
on punishing social media sites like read it or wherever,
and they're complaining about the boomer generation. But there isn't
a single boomer that wouldn't give up, you know, to
what you get when you were rich when you were

(54:18):
twenty years old and twenty one years old and twenty
five years old. You're rich in time and energy and
generally speaking health. So the idea that those people spend
their twenties angry at other people who have worked their
whole life for having houses and having these these sort
of I guess material objects is such a waste of

(54:40):
your twenties.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
Isn't it. But isn't that such a cruel thing about
human nature? But that by the time you understand for
most of us that you were healthy and you could
do whatever you wanted, and the world was your oyster.
You had freedom, responsibilities were minimal, and at the time,
I certainly can speak for myself, I had no idea.
I was a bit of an angry teenager, and I,

(55:03):
you know, looked at the state of the world in
my twenties and saying, why can't I have.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
More thing more than depressing than seeing someone at the
start of their journey and their adventure spending their time
on social media complaining about people that are deep into
their adventure. Yeah, it's just go on your own adventure,
Just forward your own path. Stop stop whinging about other.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Beast cheers your life.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
What does being rich mean to you? In twenty twenty five,
love to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
By the time I pay my bills, I'm left with
one hundred dollars. But I'm riched you to having the
love of my beautiful dog. That's from Kathy Blase.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Dogs are huge.

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Speaker 3 (57:13):
Thank you very much, Jody. So we've asked the question
what is being rich in twenty twenty five. It was
a question raised by the Telegraph over in the UK,
which asked a series of questions about individual wealth. But
they did come up with a number, didn't they.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Yeah, well they came up with a number. And obviously
this is just a financial reading of what being wealthy is.
Two one hundred and thirteen thousand pounds a year. That's
a lot of cash that puts you in the top
one percent, yeah, right in the UK, or having you know,
one point two million dollars clear assets, not owing one
point two million one point two million dollars on a

(57:48):
house but actually having one point two million dollars. So
that's interesting. I'm not sure what that number would be
in New Zealand might be similar.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Well, can I just tell you there was a study
done by Purdue University two years ago and they found
so this is the old happiness versus wealth curve, so
they thought for New Zealand. The study suggested a higher
and your income of approximately one hundred and ninety three
thousand dollars per individual was required for maximum happiness, and

(58:17):
that would also put you on the top one percent
of earners in New Zealands.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Well does that say that again?

Speaker 3 (58:21):
One hundred and ninety three thousand per individual, So there's
two people in your household, that's four hundred thousands. That's
that is good money. Well in kids as well, Yeah,
it'd be pretty hard for a kid to earn one
hundred and ninety three per person. Yeah, that said for
an individual, for an individual. For New Zealands, the study
suggested a higher annual income for an individual of one

(58:42):
hundred and ninety three thousand.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
So it's the two parents. Yeah, yeah, right, and that
makes you rich? Yeah? Interesting. Yeah, someone was saying that
my kids. If I met my kids when I was
a child, I would have called them very rich. Yeah,
I agree. You know what kids have now is just insane,
you know, in terms of stuff, in terms of just

(59:05):
the avalanche of terrible toys and everything could possibly want. Yeah,
you know, you don't have to be very wealthy for
your kids to have too much stuff.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
Exactly. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call, and if you want to send a
tex nine two nine two.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Hi, guys, I'm twenty five. I came home from working
in the sun on the farm for lunch today for
a fresh glass of lemonade I made last night out
of the lemons off my nana's tree. That feels pretty
wealthy to me. I'm poor and single, but wealthy. Cheers JB.
That's that's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
That does.

Speaker 24 (59:37):
Come home from working in the sun on the farm
for lunch today for a fresh glass of lemonade I
made last night out of the lemons off nana's tree.
I'm twenty five. That is poetry, isn't I'm wealthy?

Speaker 3 (59:49):
That is lovely. Alex, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 5 (59:53):
Ah?

Speaker 25 (59:53):
Hi there? How are you going?

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Very good? Nice? To chat with you. So what does
rich mean to you?

Speaker 4 (59:59):
Oh?

Speaker 25 (59:59):
Well, sorry, I'm just a bit shite for well, I
think reach you know beer, rich can be or it
can be a truly just a state of mind. Like
if you think about it, if you just can enjoy
what you have and then just forget what you can
never have, then I think you're pretty rich because you

(01:00:23):
just sear the glass us full all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Do you think we're living in a difficult time for that, Alex?
Because so many people are on social media now are
comparing themselves. So people post a picture on social media
of them looking amazing, yeah, and then you go, compared
to that person, I'm not doing well. But you can
comput yourself to a lot of other people. You could
compare yourself to people that have lessened to you, and
you might feel better. But we always seem to choose

(01:00:48):
to compare ourselves with people have more.

Speaker 17 (01:00:51):
See.

Speaker 25 (01:00:51):
But that's the thing, like I've always for I just
bring my example. I always worked in I was always
in hospitality, kind of eye end hospitality, and I've always
had to deal with very very wealthy people, even in Europe,
very very very wealthy people. And but once you when
you know them, they have just exactly the same problem

(01:01:12):
that every other Joe had, so, you know, and that's
where you just have to choose how you decide to
see things around you. If you look for the negative,
you will always find some. But if you just decide
to be positive, you will be happy as you can

(01:01:33):
ever be. And then there are things, There are things
that are completely out of your control, like I don't know,
sickness and stuff like that. Those these things you can't
you know, you have to learn to access. But the rest,
I mean, we're pretty lucky really. If you're healthy, you
can work, You've got a little bit of money coming in,
you can enjoy the sun today. What can you ask

(01:01:55):
more than that?

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
You know, it's brilliant alex Well products interesting, isn't it?

Speaker 20 (01:02:00):
So?

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Like you know that CEO that we keep talking about
in the cold Play case? Right, so his life was
probably okay, yep, pretty good, very okay, probably wealthier than
nearly everyone that we're talking to right now. But then
on the camera cheating wife hates them, world hates them,
a company hates them. You know, things can happen in

(01:02:22):
your life their wealth can't fix.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Yeah, I imagine he'd give up every dollar he had
to make that just go away, pretend like it never happened.
If he could every little million dollars that he had,
he just would have spent it all.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Yeah. And we live in a country where the poorest
of us the biggest thing that faces them in terms
of health is obesity. So if you tell that to
anyone from one hundred and fifty years ago, just because
just having enough food that you could eat and had
a clear supply of food was enough for you to

(01:02:56):
be considered very, very lucky, just really recently in the
history of humankind. For most of our time, regularly starvation
would just take everyone down. Yeah, and that's not something
that we worry about here.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
Well, THEI you it. You know, I was thinking the
other day as I was doing my shopping, and I
could get Argentinian mandarins any time of the year that
I want to. Even my grandparents' generation they look at
that and say, are you kidding me? You've got Argentinian
mandarins that you can have any time of the year.
We had to focus on whatever came out of the
ground at the time in New Zealand, and now whatever
you want, it's there. You might have to pay a

(01:03:29):
little bit more for it, but the convenience factor through.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
The roof or a delicious Kiwi fruit tiler love a
ki We After ten years of trying and lots of
near misses, we have an amazing daughter and at the
moment are selling our house as a business has been tough.
Maybe I'm mad, but feel very rich and lucky. That's right.
I mean if you want to have kids and you
can't have kids, and then you manage to have kids,

(01:03:53):
then that's a moment where you feel very very lucky
in life.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Absolutely, Oh it under it eighty ten eighty is the
number to call love to hear your thoughts. What does
being rich mean to you? In twenty twenty five? Nine
to nine till it's the text number? It is twenty
one to three.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Happy bollocks. Nothing will make you happier than twelve million dollars,
sayss Texas.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
That would be pretty good. I wonder why twelve million?
Make it twenty eleven and a half yourself? Are your
miserable at eleven and a half happy at twelve?

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Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
There'd be very good afternoon to you. What does being
rich mean to you? In twenty twenty five, so many
techs coming through nine two ninety two, Mary Anne, Welcome
to the show.

Speaker 4 (01:04:40):
Hi guys, thanks for having me lo. I just want
to make the point, couple of points really that you know,
it's very hard to feel comfortable or wealthy if you
have to spend everything that you earn to live, if
you don't have any capital, you know, very true, because

(01:05:02):
you know, and there's some other things I've put aside,
all the thing about family and stuff, that's a given.
But if you can work hard, and I've worked all
my life, you know, over forty years, still working, and
you know, just try and spend less than you earn
and have reserves, and if you're fortunate enough, try and

(01:05:25):
you know, there's a lot of emotional and financial benefits
to being able to own your own home. I have
a modest home, but at least I know I can't
be kicked out. And if I want to have a
dog or a cat, I can have one. So I
think those are sort of intrinsic things.

Speaker 15 (01:05:42):
That can make you.

Speaker 22 (01:05:45):
Well whether the words rich or wealthy.

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
Wealthy is probably the better word.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
There is a problem though for humans, because I always
thought when I got my first house, I'll be like, oh,
I've got a house, so now I'll be happy with that,
and you immediately go, I need to improve the house,
and then you go, I need to get another house,
just immediately as soon as you've got it, as immediately
you put that in the bank of something you've got
and you start looking around for other things things. I
think the technical term for it is a hedonic treadmill.

Speaker 15 (01:06:12):
So yeah, I think they.

Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
Called it lifestyle inflation, don't they.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
Yeah, that's exactly it. And then I needed a new car,
so I bought a new car, and I was happy
with that for all of about a week, and then
got bort to that. So then on to the next thing.

Speaker 4 (01:06:25):
Yeah, I think it sort of comes down to, you know,
is your life going to be better because you've got
a you know, fifteen thousand dollar car or a sixty
thousand dollar car. Not really, it's going to get you
to the shops in the same way. You know, is
your life going to be better because you know you've
got a flash watch?

Speaker 14 (01:06:46):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
I think that sounds like you're talking directly to my soul.

Speaker 8 (01:06:48):
Here.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Where were you and Marry when I bought this fifteen
thousand dollar car? I needed that advice then.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
But well, the problem that we have as humans is that,
you know, to just go into to the technical side
of it, there is you know, we have dopamine, but
we get we think of something, we envision it, and
we don't get we get a blast of dope. Mean
when we think of the thing that we want, but
we don't get the reward till we get it, and
then as soon as we get it, that don't meine
hit drops right. So we're constantly wanting because that's how

(01:07:18):
a species was successful, because we have to be wanting
more or more and more and more and more more
to survive and thrive and reproducing all those kind of things.
But in the modern world it just means we start
wanting material things that we don't necessarily need and won't
make us happy, and then we just keep wanting and wanting,
getting getting, getting and getting, and all of a sudden,
you've spent a whole lot on a heated floor for

(01:07:40):
your bathroom. It gives you joy for about one morning,
and then now you can't live without a heated bathroom
floor and you don't feel anything special about it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
We well, I guess I'm sort of you know, I'm
six months away from getting my pension, which I'm really
looking forward to having paid taxes all my life. And
you know, I think maybe there's a time in your life,
maybe your thirties and your forties, where you know, those
sorts of things are more important. But I like to
think for me anyway, as I've got older, they become

(01:08:10):
less important. I don't need to go up and buy
new stuff. I have what I need and you know,
I give money to my kids if they need it,
and things, and you know, those things give me more
enjoyment really.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
And do you feel safe? Because feeling safe and secure
in your home is a big part of huge, huge
And you.

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
Know, I think I don't know about I'm not an
expert on New Zealand renting market and stuff. I don't
have any investment properties or anything. But you know, I
think that you know, people should be able to feel
that they've got the ability to keep their home, and
I'm not sure everybody does.

Speaker 19 (01:08:53):
Yeah, so that's a big factor.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
I think your spot on Maryanne that there's that level
of income you need coming through, so you're not spending
most of your waking hours worrying about how you're going
to pay bills. But when you hit that point and
then start looking at the wider meslow heart high iraqi,
so to speak, then yeah, that's where the philosophical Yeah,
we've all.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Heard of those billionaires that get hugely upset because another
billionaire sails into a harbor and his super yacht is
two meters longer than his human drive, and then at
that point he's more miserable than.

Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
Than any Yeah, it's pretty tragic, isn't it really.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Yeah, Hey, thank you so much for you call Marianne,
and good luck with that pension. I hope it goes
well for you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
Great call after a man twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Million dollars hot in spending cash on hand. Okay, a
yacht is an expense that costs you cost and you
use your twelve million. Now, A yacht size is important
in the conversation a mini or a Ferrari bus big
rabbit hole conversation. As I said, need or want?

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
Yeah, good cool, Aaron, how are you?

Speaker 19 (01:09:54):
I'm good?

Speaker 21 (01:09:54):
Thank you guys, first time call, a long time listen
for use or welcome in, thank you, thank you. My
theory is, I'll give you this scenario. If you're walking
along the street and you see a five dollars, ten
dollars or twenty on the note on the side of
the road, would you pick it up?

Speaker 23 (01:10:10):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:10:12):
If you walk.

Speaker 21 (01:10:13):
If you walk further down and you see fifty cents
twenty cents, would you pick it up?

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Yes. I'm a well known scrooge though Eron.

Speaker 21 (01:10:23):
Like myself and my wife, we will go for walks
and if we see coinage, we don't walk past. We'll
pick it up and we'll have a little money jar
and we put it in and we just let let
it build up. We've been known to walk along and
we may find five dollars. We don't go out and
buy a coffee. We'll just put it in, you know,
put it in a money bag or something like that,

(01:10:44):
and just keep it. There's my thing is, we're all
trying to be like you know, the old Smithson Jones,
trying to keep up. My neighbor's got a new VCR,
So all going buy a DVD player.

Speaker 22 (01:10:56):
We know we don't have to, you don't have to
have it.

Speaker 21 (01:10:58):
You just want to try and be better than you'rellow
person next to you.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
Yeah, it's a hard thing to fight though, for a
lot of people keeping up with the Joneses mentality. And
I know I've got that with a myself, and I
try hard, but it's that sneaking thing in the back
of your head that you know that comparison and I
know comparison is a thief for joy. I know all
of that stuff, but it's a constant fight to not
look at how others are doing and think why don't
I have that?

Speaker 26 (01:11:22):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (01:11:22):
Yes, yes, it's a need and once again, isn't it?
But you know, I'm married with a wife, and I
have two step daughters and a son who are all
working age now, and my wife doesn't work. I support
her she was working, and we don't own a home.
We're I think we're quite well lost because we we

(01:11:43):
pay our bulls, we eat, we'll go to second end shops,
we'll go to guard seals. I think we are rich
in life that way.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Yeah, good on you, Aaron. So you know when you're
talking about that picking up money, because you know it's
the richest man in the world. Elon musk Earns three
hundred and eighty three thousand, three hundred and thirty three
dollars per minute currently, so for him it would make
no sense to pick up the twenty dollars. But I
remember someone asked Bill Gates this question, you know, because
for Bill Gates at the time, it wouldn't be worth

(01:12:10):
his time to pick up anless it was tens and
tens of thousands of dollars or that, And he said,
of course I pick up a twenty dollars. Yeah, of
course I do. I can't just walk past it. Yeah,
but often people that are really rich care about money
more than people that aren't really rich.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
Well, it's like, I mean Warren Buffett for example, well
know and tied us excuse my French, but you know,
he gets the same thing from McDonald's each morning, He
drives the same car, lives in the same house because
he was so obsessed and I think still is about
generating more and more and more money. But he's still
got that drive thing because he thinks compounding interest. I

(01:12:45):
don't want to tap into any of the wealth that
I've created, not even for charity. He's changed his mind now,
but because he just needed more more. I can do
more if I get to a trillion, I'll be able
to solve so many more problems. And then once he
got to a trillion, if he ever did, I imagine
he would have kept going up and up and up.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Well, you know, there's no one more miserable than the
guy that's worth four hundred million in a room with billionaires.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Yeah, yeah, very true. And what a mug that person is.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
Because if you've got worth four hundred million of probably
much of your personality is to define by your wealth,
and then suddenly that's that meaning is taken away from
you by the people that are very much wealthier than you.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
I'll take us four hundred million, Oh wight, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It
is nine to three back very surely.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams. Afternoons, news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
It'd be news talks. It'd be very good afternoon to you.
And we've asked the question what has been rich mean
to you? Craig? How are you?

Speaker 9 (01:13:47):
Oh?

Speaker 23 (01:13:47):
Good mate?

Speaker 19 (01:13:49):
Yeah, interesting story. Being rich means so many different things
and so many different people.

Speaker 21 (01:13:55):
I give.

Speaker 19 (01:13:57):
For me, I'm kind of at the end of my
working life and we're going to splash out on a
tow vehicle and a caravan, and I just enjoy them,
you know, the sort of remaining opportunities we have where
we can still like walk up mountains and do things.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
Yeah, I mean, you traveling around with your with your
partner doing that, as opposed to someone just sitting in
a giant you know, the cliche of the old scrooge
sitting in a giant mansioned by themselves. You know, I
know which one I'd rather be.

Speaker 25 (01:14:38):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
And the funny thing is, like people talk about prison
of your own mind, because the really wealthy person could
go and do that, but if they don't have the
person to do it, or the inclination or the or whatever,
then then they just don't do it. Whereas you, you're
about to head off and have a bunch of fantastic adventures. Craig.

Speaker 19 (01:14:54):
Yeah, well, I mean I've had a pretty good life anyway, mate,
Like it hasn't been a sit on the couch life.
So I just kind of feel like, yeah, I've got
to the end, you know, of the working life, and
why not actually go and spend some money on that

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you can keep on trying to build your portfolio if
you like, and sort of like then drop dead and
leave it all to your kids. But there's also a
lot to be said. I think further fact, you were
really hard to actually enjoyed at the end.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, good on you, Craig. Thank you for
your call.

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
Certainly sound rich.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
I felt very wealthy in the weekend when me and
my son and I we were off to play some golf,
but then it was so incredibly busy. It turns out
we weren't the only father and son combination that it
came up with that plan funny, and he said, you
want to just go for a walk, dad, And so
my son and I walked up Mount eating together and

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I was going, how awesome that my son suggested this,
and just spending my time with this guy, I just thought,
I was I don't know, I just did this wave
of things just so incredibly great on a Father's day
going for a wander with my son. I thought, boy,
you know, I would pay every cent in the world
to be in the position that I am now that
I have such a great sun that I can do that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
With you, that is very cool, very cool, And I
know this is a cliche, and I know people give
this country a hard time, but genuinely, how good is
it that you're born in a place like New Zealand. Yeah, honestly,
you know the beauty of a place like Auckland and
christ Hitch and all the rest of it, that is
something to feel very rich about. And Aoneda and Anita
and Nelson. Right, we're going to carry this on because
we've had so many calls and techs come through. But

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Keny hear from you on our one hundred and eighty
ten eighty what does rich mean to you? In twenty
twenty five, New Sport and weather on its way.

Speaker 5 (01:16:52):
You're on you home, are in sateful and entertaining talk.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
It's Matty and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk sebby.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
Very good afternoon, Chi. It is seven pass three. So
a police officer is undergoing surgery after being shot in
the head Marta copper fugitive Tom Phillips as the search
continues for two of his children. New Zealand Herald reporter
Jamie Lyth is on the ground in Marta Copa and
she joins us on the line. Now, Jamie, how are you.

Speaker 25 (01:17:23):
I'm doing well.

Speaker 7 (01:17:23):
How are you going good?

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
Thanks? What are you seeing down there? Is there any
signs of the search for the missing children?

Speaker 7 (01:17:30):
To be honest, no, it's very quiet down here. It's
a very spread out community, and there is a history
with a bit of hostility towards media, and we'll seeing
a little bit of that today. Not everyone really wants.

Speaker 4 (01:17:44):
To talk to us.

Speaker 7 (01:17:46):
But there isn't anything in particular that would lead you
to believe that, you know, a very famous fugitive that
has put this town on the map has been shot
dead this morning.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
Yeah, And so you say, there's a few locals about
what have they been saying?

Speaker 7 (01:18:00):
Well, a local who did want to speak to me,
he said he was disappointed, but not particularly surprised that
the Phillips saga had ended like this. I mean, he
described it as not unexpected, and he said that it
was particularly tragic for the children, you know, after probably

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developing a strong bond with their father, after living in
the bush to do there, you know, for almost four years.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Is there much police activity in matter, Cooper at the moment, Jamie,
are you seen any helicopters overhead? Is there much police
on the ground?

Speaker 7 (01:18:36):
So, frankly, I've seen no police on the ground, but
we have seen the Eagle helicopters fly above us. The
most movement on the roads around here are people on
quad bikes, right, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
A popular mode of transport down there. And what about
any word at all on the injured police officer? Any
updates on the condition.

Speaker 7 (01:18:59):
Not that I've heard of, no, but I have heard
that this morning he was talking to his colleagues, so
that is a good sign that someone might be okay.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
And then when do you expect authorities to update the situation.

Speaker 7 (01:19:14):
I believe authorities are giving an update at three thirty
this afternoon at a live press stand up.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
Yeah, Jamie, thank you very much for having a chat
with us. Go well down there and look after yourself
and we might catch up a little bit later on.

Speaker 7 (01:19:29):
Sounds good, Thanks guy.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
That is New Zealand Herald reporter Jamie lyth Anis you
mentioned We are expecting an update from police at three
point thirty pm and as soon as that stand up happens,
we will take it live right here, so stay tuned
for that. Right back to our discussion we were having
about what it means to be rich in twenty twenty five,
so many texts have come through on people that feel rich,

(01:19:53):
and not just because they've got lots of money.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Well, this article on the Telegraph out of the UK
put the figure of being rich in the United Kingdom
at two one hundred and thirteen thousand pounds.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
That's good money.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
He puts you in the top one percent.

Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
Yeah, but is that rich?

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
Are there other ways that you can be rich other
than having two hundred and thirteen thousand pounds a year?

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
Yeah, Well, there wouldn't be too many people inning that
sort of money. But if that is you O eight
one hundred eighty ten eighty. Does money mean everything when
it comes to feeling rich or do you have other
things in your life that you've discovered as you've got
a bit older? And why is it that makes you
truly wealthy?

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
Here you go, Allen says rich for me as a
freezer full of meat and a shed full of dri Fhile, well.

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
That's living the good life, mate, living the good life.

Speaker 19 (01:20:39):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
Oh, had one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call? It is ten past three. Back in the
month US talks'd be thirteen past three. So we are
expecting an update from police to stand up around about
three thirty pm and we will take that live as
soon as that starts right here, so stay tuned for that.
But back to our discussion about what it means to
be rich in twenty twenty five. So many texts coming through.

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On nine two nine two, lat.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Says I can sid in my sparpoor, wave my hand
out and my kids will bring me another scotch on
the rocks. Feeling pretty wealthy. Lance, Yeah, I mean, if
you've got children that will serve you, then that's as
good as having servants.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
Certainly is.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
You won the lottery if you were born in New
Zealand says this text dead right, Tyler about being born
in this country and also mad about walking your son.
Those are the types of things that make you rich
in life. This person says. Rich people have labels on
their clothes. I don't know. Second, I've got to get

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this rich definitely, sorry wealth as Oh my god. So
many texts came through and it's gone through. I think
the basic thing was before it disappeared. I'm not saying
it as articularly as it came through. But rich people
have labels on their clothes. Happy people have dog for
on their clothes like it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
Yeah. Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
What about the queen though she had a corgy, she
was rich and had you can also you can be
rich and have animals.

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
To cheer labels. I don't think she cared for that
type of thing. She had a beautiful crown.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
Well, she had beautiful coolgies. Lauren, Welcome to the shine, Lauren.

Speaker 3 (01:22:13):
Hey you, Lauren, Me.

Speaker 18 (01:22:15):
And my husband are working through this right now. I'm
obviously American and I'm married to Kiwi and we're we're
doing succession with our dairy farm with my in laws,
and so I come from a middle class family in
America and talking about the numbers, you know, the amount
of money we're going to borrow to borrow this farm.

(01:22:37):
Our numbers I never in my life thought I would
ever talked about. So it's crazy hearing these big numbers.
But my father in law, he always just kind of
looks at me like I'm crazy because I'm always wanting
to bring in the value of a work life balance,
you know, So you know he can't understand, you know

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why I don't think it right? You know, Well, yeah,
that's just what you do. You work twenty four seven,
seven days a week, and you know, that's that's just
the price you pay to it. So I'm always like, well,
that's a big price to pay when you know, my
husband doesn't get to tuck our kids in at night.
And so you know, coming back like, how do you
monetize that? How do you monetize.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
You know, time with your kids. Did you did you
grow up in an urban environment or a rural environment?

Speaker 18 (01:23:28):
Well, person, I grew up in the desert. So talking
about cows and drafts and all that. I'm from Arizona,
but I grew up yeah, suburbs. My mom was a teacher.
My dad owned his own business. So you know, if
they wanted to come to our soccer game or if
they wanted to you know, be at some something, they
had the flexibility. You know, my lot with a teacher.

(01:23:49):
She got her summers off so we could spend time
together as a family where you know, colos even get
milks on Christmas. So my husband saw the reality that no,
the farms, farm comes first. And because of my father
in laws, i mean crazy work ethics, he's very sick, accessful,
and obviously that's up for an opportunity to look at succession.

(01:24:14):
But it's definitely been I think jarring for my husband too. Yeah,
and I think for a lot of gery farmers, a
lot of farmers in New Zealand, it's how do you
put a price on your mental health? How do you
put a price on your trying? You know, how do
you put a price on that? It's not something that
can be easily quantifiable.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
What's it like to move from Arizona? You're surrounded by
your family, friends, I imagine a lot of activity or
at the scene of the world, and then moved to
a farm in New Zealand. Is there a sense of
isolation for you?

Speaker 18 (01:24:50):
I think the biggest issue has been, like I said,
I moved from the desert, met my husband in Townsville, Australia,
and we moved to a farm that an hour south
of Domedan, and he moved me there in August. So
I think it's a judgment. It's been I live closer
to Antarctica than I've ever wanted to live.

Speaker 7 (01:25:13):
The fact that these.

Speaker 18 (01:25:14):
South Islanders look me in the face and say, yeah,
a fireplace and the lounge that's all you need for
heat still blows your mind. I've been here eight years
and yeah, the Marino can only take you so far.
You've got one hundred k win driven at your face,
So I would say, yeah, but you know, that's been

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the biggest adjustment. It's been an easier adjustment.

Speaker 19 (01:25:40):
This is why America right now.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
Parents from around the world really worry about their daughters
and sons when they go off into the world. And
then that you know, your daughter's visiting towns will Nixon
she as she gets swipped off her feet, piots yeah,
and take takes your daughter to basically Antarctica.

Speaker 18 (01:25:57):
I know, well, everyone said you're not gonna come back,
You're gonna you're gonna marry an augie. And I always
say I upgraded and I married.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
A yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:26:08):
Yeah, exactly. And as we talk to other farmers, I
think it's what a lot. You know, we're millennials by
in laws or boomers, and we see it. That's the
talk for many families going to succession that these millennial
farmers they want to bring in the quality of life,
they want to try to figure out and with the
praising Nope, that it is right now, we got the

(01:26:29):
option to bring in your quality of life. But it's
really hard for that older generation to comprehend that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
So how do you on a holiday.

Speaker 18 (01:26:39):
It's not just slacking off. You just want to eat
dinner with your family.

Speaker 3 (01:26:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly.

Speaker 18 (01:26:46):
I mean my husband, he were he is a hard
working blow But yeah, you know what.

Speaker 12 (01:26:51):
What do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:26:53):
Yeah, well you mentioned they're beck home and Arizona and
your parents had some flexibility and that able to do
the lovely things like go to the sports games and
come home for dinner and do those things. Do you
think that is ingrained in US culture? And and Kiwis
are hard working most of us, no doubt about it.
But is that you know a genuine difference between the
uist and here, Oh definitely.

Speaker 18 (01:27:13):
And I would say the biggest, the biggest culture shift
for me from in America and I'm coming through again
a rural dairy farmer. You know, view of life in America.
You're taught you buy on credit, you get as many
lines of credit as you can. You know, you get
your you buy your house with a mortgage, you buy
your car with you know, everything's on credit, your car, everything.

(01:27:36):
So with my inlaws, you know, it's like, you know,
if you want to, if you want a nicer car,
you saved upthing to you even buy that car. And
then if you can't buy that car, well, then you've
got the two thousand and eight Rangers that's paying off.
And we've got a two thousand and eight Ranger that's
you know, barely holding on to pure life. But we're
not in debt. They you know, my in laws say

(01:27:56):
to us every penny should go towards the mortgage of
your house. You live off nothing until that mortgage is
stayed off, to which my parents say, no, yeah, if
you have a thirty year mortgage, those thirty years and
how you know, because you can't get the holidays back
that you see, you know you can? I mean, and
which way is wrong? I mean yours probably are a

(01:28:18):
little more jet have you and kind of look at
it as whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
You yeah, you know well, I'd say that you're I'd
say you're thanks are well. I would say that your
laws might be outliers as kiwis as well, because there's
a lot of people ticking up a lot of stuff here.
Thank you so much for you call Lauren and Lauren
and all the best. And your farm just outside Dunedin.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
What a great call.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
No dees it down there?

Speaker 4 (01:28:39):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
Is it down there? Pretty close to Antarctica? Fantastic. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It is twenty one past three.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
But I will say that your husband is rich and
that he has your love.

Speaker 5 (01:28:51):
Beautiful Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call OH eight
hundred eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZV.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
Afternoon twenty four past three. Just a reminder, we are
expecting an update from police on the ground in regards
to the Envy mistigation into the fatal shooting of Tom
Phillips and that search for his two remaining children. So
stand by for that. We're expecting that in roughly six minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
And we're talking about this article in the Telegraph and
the UK Telegraph in the UK saying that two hundred
and thirteen thousand pounds a year makes you rich. But
it sounds like from all the calls and text we're
getting at kiwi's see it in a more spiritual way
that well, this textas says you guys should look at
the song by Chris Stapleton Milliennaire. I have They say

(01:29:38):
love is more precious than gold, can't be brought and
it can't be sold. I got love enough to spare
that makes me a millionaire.

Speaker 3 (01:29:46):
Oh, he's pretty good there.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
I've got a woman with eyes that shine deep down
as a diamond mine. She's my treasure, so very rare.
She's made me millionaire. He really loves his missus, does.

Speaker 3 (01:29:57):
He's a good writer.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
I'm an absolute fan of his missus, Simon.

Speaker 3 (01:30:02):
Yes, And what's your thoughts about rich riches and wealth?

Speaker 14 (01:30:07):
Well?

Speaker 21 (01:30:07):
I think two things. Firstly, the obvious stuff right like
time with the kids is you know, magical access to
organic food, doing aikiwi, you know, access to the oceans,
like really important. That creates a sense of wealth. And
then having a wife that's not pissed off all the
time that certainly makes makes life pretty good.

Speaker 16 (01:30:26):
Right.

Speaker 21 (01:30:28):
But there was again when they called earlier and he
was talking about, you know, would you pick up you know,
five dollars or ten dollars off the ground, And this
kind of shows the question a little, But it's not
really about because everyone proceeds wealth in a different way, right,
But there's a respect that comes with money if you
want it to work for you in the long run.
And I do all right in business and and property
and things like that. But if I see ten cents

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on the ground. I pick it up, not with the
intention to spend it, but I've just got to lock
it in every single time. That money needs respect and
you've got to grab it. And it could be a voucher,
it could be a discount. You've just got to take
them and just like stay in that mindset work.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
Can't mention walking past a twenty dollars note, that's just
seems rude. There's a twenty dollars note on the ground.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
It's a good hour of great you know, ten seconds
to pick that up, it's doing well.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
It'd be a really weird thing to go nuts. Don't
care about money. What I care about is love and
time with my kids. Not going to pick that up.

Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
Yeah, there wouldn't be too many people out there that
would do that. But yeah, I mean the funny thing
I read not too long ago Simon by Liam Dan
and Liams. You know, he's built a career on being
very good with money. But he mentioned something quite interesting
and I think he was making a similar point.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
To you good with money.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
Yeah, yeah, talking about me.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
It's actually good with money himself.

Speaker 3 (01:31:41):
But he said he never shops at New World because
he's just had it ingrained to him that there you
don't need those finer things in life, and you don't
need to have anything fancy. You just stay true to
that mentality of looking after your dollars and cents.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
Thank you so much for your call, Simon.

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
Yeah, fantastic. Right, Stay tuned because we are expecting a
big update from Acting Deputy Commissioner Jill Rodgers, So stay
tuned for that. We're going to take that to you
live headlines coming up, and then were going to take
you live to Waikato.

Speaker 13 (01:32:12):
Youse talks at the headlines with Blue Bubble taxis it's
no trouble with a blue bubble. A police officer's undergoing
surgery after being shot in the head by Mara Koppa
futitive Tom Phillips, as the search continues for two of
his children. A second officer shot Phillips, who died at
the scene in rural Waikato. Secondary school teachers say they're

(01:32:35):
considering a revised offer from the government for the settlement
of their collective agreement. Hope's new trains will boost economic
activity across the Lower North Island. Greater Wellington Regional Councils
an ounced French firm Alstam will build eighteen new battery
electric trains at a cost of more than a billion dollars.
Taranaki cops are on the hunt for an anti social

(01:32:57):
driver who's been taunting police. Senior Sergeant Brad Pollock says
a person sustained loss of traction directly in front of
the new Plymouth police station while wearing a balaclava. He
says they found the unwarranted vehicle later, which had a
sign in the rare window with a derogatory message for police.
Mercury says Amazon's power thirst is real and weighs in

(01:33:19):
on pricing. Read more at anzad Harold Premium. Now back
to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
Thank you very much, Jody. So we're just standing by
for that update from police after the fatal shooting of
Tom Phillips in the early hours of this morning and
the ongoing search for his two children. So just updating
you on where things are at at the moment. So
Acting Deputy Commissioner Jill Rodgers said, a member of the
public call police after seeing two people on a quad

(01:33:45):
bike dressed in farm gear and wearing head lamps. Officers
laid spikes at about three twenty this morning and the
quad brake bike ran over them, stopping it for a
short time later, the first attending officer to this scene
was shot at close range by the offender with a
high powered rifle instruct in the head. That officer is
currently undergoing surgery as we speak for those critical injuries.

(01:34:06):
Soon after, a second patrol unit arrived and engaged with
Tom Phillips, who dined at the scene. A formal identification
has yet to take place, but believes say they do
believe it is Tom Phillips. The second person is one
of his children who is now receiving wrap around support
and assisting police. They are not injured and police are
urgently surging for the other two children who they have

(01:34:27):
serious concerns of. There's been a heavy police presence all morning,
with police coming in and out of the courton at
that scene in a police Eagle helicopter circling overhead. So
we're standing by for that update. But an incredibly serious
and significant situation unfolding.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
Yeah, and the community is obviously reading from the situation,
but there's a global, global interest in this. It's making
news all around the world, So all eyes on this
tiny little community and this terrible tragedy that's happened today.
The worst possible outcome really one of the worst possible
outcomes that you can imagine for this whole situation. Yeah,

(01:35:05):
certainly an injured police officer and the me and himself
being shot.

Speaker 3 (01:35:10):
Yeah, So that local community and the wider police community,
and I think many of us here in New Zealand
are are hoping for a good outcome for that police
officer who is currently in surgery for those critical injuries.
But a terrible and devastating end to what has been
a prolonged story.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
So we know that officers were called by the public
after a member of the public so were two people
on quad bikes dressed in farm garn wearing headlamps, and
officers laid spikes around four twenty this morning and the
quad bike ran over them, stopping it a short time later,
and then events unrolled from there.

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
So we are standing by for that update from police,
expected to start any time now. But in the meantime,
we've had so many texts come through about what it
means to be rich. In twenty twenty five after a
Telegraph article mentioned a specific number about what they would
consider wealthy. But we are taking your calls on this
one O E one hundred eighty and the text are

(01:36:10):
coming through on nine two ninety two.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
Just bought my first house in my twenties with my partner.
Very poor in money, very rich in love.

Speaker 3 (01:36:18):
That is a good moment. Love that This one here, Hi.

Speaker 2 (01:36:22):
Matt and Tylle is to go for a walk every
Sunday morning with two friends. One day, while walking along,
I found a twenty dollar note. I picked it up,
and I treated my two friends and I to coffee
after our walk. Not too many weeks later, we were
out walking again and the one friend who was more
wealthy than myself and the other person, she found a
twenty dollar note on the ground and picked it up
and put it in her pocket and took it home

(01:36:43):
and didn't buy any of.

Speaker 3 (01:36:44):
Yeah, water twist at the end. This is a nice one.
Ghido Fellow's a couple of statements on a rich life.
Health is wealth, Nature equals nurture. It's not what you earn,
it's how you spend or save your money. Dreams are
free to love and be loved is life's free ecstasy.
Love that adults who still play like a child a

(01:37:06):
rich and joy and free toys are the best toys.
It's a good list.

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
Free toys are the best toys.

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
I don't actually know what that means, but free toys
are the best toys, are they? Well, it depends on
what about it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
Mike McLaren. If one lego say it wasn't free, that's
the best tool I've ever had. It cost me four
hundred bucks.

Speaker 3 (01:37:23):
It looks good on the mountain piece, doesn't it. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
We are taking your calls on what it means to
be rich in twenty twenty five. Some more texts coming
through on nine two ninety two, like this one The Finer.
You define your habits, You definitely understand yourself love. You
have to unlearn what you taught yourself. It is just stuff,

(01:37:44):
My goodness, It's difficult and it's achievable. Having mentors is
also key. Finding your keys is key from Bob right.
So we're going to carry on with these texts. But
oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
And just a reminder, we are standing by for that
police stand up that is due to start any time now.
So really can to hear from you on o eight

(01:38:05):
hundred and eighty ten eighty what I what.

Speaker 2 (01:38:09):
I think is very interesting about this whole thing. When
we've been talking about wealth in New Zealand and the
Telegraph put a figure of two hundred and thirteen thousand
pounds to be a rich person. In the UK, no one,
not a single call or texter, has tried to put
a figure, which is how the conversation started. Yes, everyone's
gone spiritual on immediately, and that's heartwarming and you love

(01:38:32):
to see it. But no one's willing to put a figure.
The Telegraph has said two hundred and thirteen thousand pounds
a year makes you rich.

Speaker 3 (01:38:40):
It's a lot, yeah, and that is a lot. I mean,
are we willing to put a wee figure on this now?
I think I will, Okay, I will tell you what
I think would be considered rich in terms of monetary value.
If you are earning over one hundred and sixty thousand dollars,
that in my eyes, would make you wealthy.

Speaker 27 (01:39:00):
Make you wealthy, yeah, one hundred and sixty that's a
good wicket. One hundred and sixty, one hundred and sixty
thousand dollars that would definitely make you wealthy. That would
you in the top eight percent of New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
You're a victim of low expectations and.

Speaker 3 (01:39:12):
Life certainly wouldn't be two hundred and thirteen thousand pounds,
which equates to close to half a million.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
Richie Rich was one hundred and sixty thousand pounds living
in a you know, one hundred and sixty thousand a year,
rich having brought up a family who are giving, god
loving and productive people. That is rich according to this TEXTA.

Speaker 3 (01:39:31):
Yeah, very good, All right, are we're taking a few
more calls on this one, Gary? What does rich mean
to you in twenty twenty five?

Speaker 17 (01:39:41):
Well, but anyway, coming back to what I was going
to say, I sticked over a pudnel to the umpire bill, correct,
and there was a twenty dollar night there, right, Well,
I thought it was a twenty dollar note. Now there
was a bit more than that. We're not luster to that.

Speaker 23 (01:40:02):
There was some.

Speaker 20 (01:40:06):
Four of them four two.

Speaker 17 (01:40:08):
Eight that's eighty dollars, you're right.

Speaker 5 (01:40:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:40:13):
So the funny thing about it, though, is what the
story I was trying to tell you. I was going
to pay an eighty dollar bill, right, sir, went and
paid an eighty dollar bill, and I gave them what
dry ones, and I took the week one time and
drive them out.

Speaker 23 (01:40:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
But that's almost calmer, though, wasn't it. Gary. You had
an eighty dollar bill and then you found eighty bots.

Speaker 17 (01:40:37):
Yes, but when I looked at the puddle, I stepped
over it because I've got to add my chapters have
been raining and oh there's a twenty dollar note. So
they must have been so tight together.

Speaker 2 (01:40:49):
Like yeah, you know, stuck together, stucky twenties.

Speaker 3 (01:40:53):
Yeah, exactly right. It is twenty two to four.

Speaker 5 (01:41:00):
This is a news talk. They'd be developing story right.

Speaker 3 (01:41:04):
Police are speaking now about this morning's major operation and
we're Wakato after the fatal shooting of Tom Phillips. We
cross live now to Acting Deputy Commissioner Jie Rogers.

Speaker 12 (01:41:14):
Today as well.

Speaker 28 (01:41:16):
There really are a couple of updates that I want
to provide this afternoon, but one of the main ones
is I can confirm that we are still searching for
the children of Tom Phillips.

Speaker 12 (01:41:30):
We have not located them.

Speaker 28 (01:41:32):
At this stage, and we remain as our primary focus
to reunite those children and extract them as soon as
possible from where they may be.

Speaker 12 (01:41:43):
Today I can.

Speaker 28 (01:41:45):
Update you on our injured officer. He's commenced the first
of many surgeries. He's gone back in for further surgery
this afternoon on the injuries to his eye, and he
will remain in Wycattle Hospital for some time to come,
having those injuries tended to.

Speaker 12 (01:42:08):
His family and.

Speaker 28 (01:42:11):
His nearest with him, and he's been well supported as
is his family. I can confirm that the search the
scene examination continues this afternoon further up the road from
where we are today that may well result in road
closures here this evening that go through the evening and

(01:42:33):
into tomorrow while we extensively examine what has occurred so
we can build an accurate timeline of how things have
unfolded so tragically this morning. If there are questions that
you would like to ask, Guy Ken.

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
Children, Polisa previously said that they understood that tom Killis
is receiving.

Speaker 5 (01:42:58):
Support from members of the local community.

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
So what's your level of concern about the safety you
would you say this probably with some of those other.

Speaker 3 (01:43:05):
Other supporters now.

Speaker 28 (01:43:08):
Always been concerned that there has potentially been support being
offered to this family. With the events that have unfolded today,
this must come to a conclusion now we have children
that we believe are unaccompanied in the bush and it's
our priority to locate them this evening. We have about
three hours of daylight left. We know we have a

(01:43:30):
number of resources in the area. You can hear our
Eagle helicopter that's in the background here. We have specialist
teams on the ground, We have AOS offices, Our Special
Tactics team are deployed in here. We have P and
T teams ready to undertake negotiations, and we have a
number of those specialists that you would expect to be

(01:43:52):
at a scene and an event of this magnitude examining
the scene here today. All in all, there are probably
about fifty staff deployed into this area, and then there
are a number of staff working back at the Hamilton
headquarters and in localities around the district.

Speaker 9 (01:44:12):
Danger if you've got the AOS squad out there at
the moment.

Speaker 28 (01:44:17):
This morning's events indicate why we are deploying with AOS
and our Special Tactics branch.

Speaker 6 (01:44:24):
Does that mean you believe the children are still er.

Speaker 28 (01:44:28):
We're not prepared to speculate, but we're not prepared to
take any risk. This incident needs to be resolved.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
Now, you did say you've thought the children were unaccompanied,
Is that what you mean?

Speaker 20 (01:44:39):
Or do you think there was someone else.

Speaker 12 (01:44:40):
Who has arms.

Speaker 28 (01:44:43):
We believe that the children at the moment maybe on
their own. We can't speculate as to whether they have
assistance with them at the moment.

Speaker 26 (01:44:55):
Where they were, and it's potentially that they had moved
or did the other child not give an indication.

Speaker 28 (01:45:01):
These would all be speculative. We don't know where the
children are at this time, but you think the.

Speaker 26 (01:45:08):
Other child earlier was cooperating, so cooperating.

Speaker 28 (01:45:12):
They've been cooperative with us and providing information, and that
has allowed us to identify an area of activity that
we will be examining through the afternoon and into the
evening if required. As the remaining the child that's we
found said anything about the current condition of the children
that are still in the.

Speaker 12 (01:45:30):
Book, I don't have that level of detail. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:45:34):
We saw an.

Speaker 26 (01:45:34):
Ambulance coming through about five minutes ago that anything to
do with this ongoing investigation.

Speaker 12 (01:45:40):
It will be part of it.

Speaker 28 (01:45:41):
When we deploy our special Tactics group, we always deploy
ambulance alongside it, and obviously we've got very young children
out here.

Speaker 12 (01:45:49):
You can see the terrain here. It's rough, it's rugged.
It will be down to.

Speaker 28 (01:45:54):
Freezing point I would imagine this evening. Hence, we want
this incident resolved as soon as possible.

Speaker 26 (01:46:03):
The children weren't in the ambulance or anything like that.

Speaker 20 (01:46:05):
As far as you know, no where.

Speaker 12 (01:46:07):
Is the I just can we have not located the children.
Where is the body of Tom Phillips now? It remains
in the scene, which is further to the west of
us here.

Speaker 3 (01:46:18):
That is Acting Deputy Commissioner Jill Rodgers just given an update,
so to recap. They are still searching for those remaining
two children. It is police primary focus to find and
reunite those children. The injured police officer has gone undertaken
the first round of surgery and we'll go back into
further surgery this afternoon. His family are with him and
he has been well supported. According to that the police.

(01:46:39):
Police can confirm that the scene examination is continuing the
scene where they did fatally shoot Tom Phillips, and that
may result in ongoing road closures over the next couple
of days. Helicopters aos specialist police are on the ground.
They've also got negotiators. Their fifty staff are deployed in
the immediate area along with staff at the Police Hamilton

(01:47:00):
hq A. Police say they're not taking any risk in
terms of the remaining children potentially having access to firearms.
Hence the reason AOS negotiators are on the ground and
they believe those children are on their own. So just
confirming police is still searching for the remaining two children
after the fatal shooting of Tom Phillips. Here that will
bring you more on that story. After four o'clock sh'll

(01:47:21):
be crossing live to our reporter Jordan Done and following
up with some members of that community as well. It
is a quarter to four. You're listening to Matt and
Tyler back very shortly the.

Speaker 1 (01:47:32):
in between.

Speaker 5 (01:47:37):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons us talks.

Speaker 3 (01:47:40):
That'd be very good afternoon, ju It is thirteen to four,
just before we go back to what it means to
be rich in twenty twenty five, there's been a few
techs come through as you can imagine about the situation
that unfolded in Marta Koppa and Pure Pure this morning
in regards to Tom phillips fatal shooting and the search
for the children.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
This sex says, such a tragedy, the poor police officer
and his family, praying they find those kids soon, feeling
for the child who has lost his father and his presence.
This Texas says, those children need to be found and soon. Yeah,
I think I think that's that's clear.

Speaker 3 (01:48:13):
Yeah, I definitely do very good text.

Speaker 2 (01:48:15):
And it's in times like this we should be valuing
our police officers and more important that the government should
value them and pay them and look after the better
thoughts are with the officer's family.

Speaker 3 (01:48:26):
Yeah, I mean as a police officer and family of
a police officer, it is their worst nightmare. But it
sounds like the police officer had a successful round of
of surgery this morning and we'll go again this afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:48:38):
So his injury was to his eye, police officer's eye.
But and he's going to be in Wakata Hospital for
some time to come, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:48:46):
And we're all hoping there's a good outcome in that situation.
Right back to the discussion we've been having about what
it means to be rich in twenty twenty five, and
a couple of texts have come through on this one.

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
Well, I tried to get people to put a monetary
value on it, and Tyler said one hundred and sixty thousand, this,
Texas said, And then I pushed back and said one
hundred and sixty thousand to be rich, it's rich Tyler. Yeah,
I thought low, you know, bar Low low ambission. And
this person agrees with me. Morning said b My wife

(01:49:19):
and I we earn one hundred and sixty k, yet
we are not rich. Take away the mortgage, childcarefee, student loan, repayments, rates, insurance,
food tax, and we're lucky to be left with four
hundred dollars a week. So is that rich? That's hardly
Elon Musk is it?

Speaker 3 (01:49:33):
Did I say one hundred and sixty thousand dollars? Yeah,
what I meant was one hundred and sixty million.

Speaker 2 (01:49:39):
One hundred and sixty million is rich.

Speaker 3 (01:49:41):
Yeah, that's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:49:42):
Until you've got one hundred and sixty million to start
hanging out with a billionaire, and then yes, start feel
bad about yourself. A lot of people are texting through
the three hundred thousand dollar figure, but so many more,
and it's good to see a texting through the more
meaningful answer to the question rather than a monetary figure.
If you live happy, eat healthy, you can live to
one hundred years plus. Take your time and get there.

(01:50:04):
You walk on water, just have to start.

Speaker 3 (01:50:07):
Oh that's lovely. I don't know what that means, but
it seems to.

Speaker 2 (01:50:09):
Be more about longevity, yeah, than anything else.

Speaker 3 (01:50:14):
It's a nice way to put though. You can walk
on water, just takes a bit of time.

Speaker 2 (01:50:18):
Yeah, lovely. It's all relative. Iron over one hundred and
sixty k. But had to add our business debts to
the mortgage and went bust after COVID, so no work anymore.
So we have a big debt to pay and certainly
not rich yere there's a lot of people pushing back
on your one sixty mark. You want to talk about
rich versus wealthy.

Speaker 23 (01:50:38):
Yeah, So thirty years ago it was one thousand dollars
a day, five grand a week, two hundred and fifty
grand a year. Fifteen years ago was two thousand dollars
a day, five hundred grand a year. Now it's three
thousand dollars a day, seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars
a year. That is enough money to do anything and

(01:51:00):
not think, which is what my definition of wealthy and
riches a bay, absolutely everything, And it doesn't mean it
doesn't impact your need to spend miscellaneously or lash out
big time on like a half million dollar supercar.

Speaker 15 (01:51:16):
Yeah, you can do all that on seven hundred and
fifty grand.

Speaker 23 (01:51:19):
I worked alongside Roderick Dean at Telecom in the early nineties.
He came and sat beside me one day, had me
explain a bunch of stuff to him. He was on
a million dollars a year a CEO of Telecom, twenty
thousand bucks a week back thirty years ago, and I
thought that was so and it was. It was so
much money back then. Now it's entry level CEO.

Speaker 15 (01:51:44):
Entry level.

Speaker 3 (01:51:45):
Yeah, yeah, I mean now that I think about one
hundred and sixty dollars. Was lobill in it?

Speaker 2 (01:51:50):
One hundred and sixty dollars?

Speaker 3 (01:51:51):
I mean one hundred and sixty thousand. I'm going lower
and lower.

Speaker 2 (01:51:54):
What we are you talking about?

Speaker 5 (01:51:55):
Rich?

Speaker 2 (01:51:56):
Rich is different than doing Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:51:58):
Yeah, I just thought that that seems comfortable one hundred
and sixty thousand dollars per year, But clearly I'm wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
Rich is having your health and your children having their
healths is this text, and there's Tyler putting one hundred
and sixty dollars on it like a heartless individual. Yeah,
that is that you're three hundred k between us, partner
one twenty one. We are nowhere near rich all.

Speaker 3 (01:52:21):
Right, got the message. It is eight minutes before the big.

Speaker 1 (01:52:25):
Stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything in between.
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks, it.

Speaker 3 (01:52:32):
B news talks. It be just a reminder. Heather is
going to have the latest in the search for the
matter Cooper children. She'll have Jordan done at the quarter
and after four and the police Minister Mark Midchell after
five as well.

Speaker 2 (01:52:43):
All right, what a show, Thanks so much for listening today.
And Tyler, that was our two hundredth show together. Oh yeah,
world done mate, crazy how quickly that wents so love
this job. You're a great anchor to the show and
becoming a very good buddy Tyler. So thanks. I like
having a good man for two hundred shows.

Speaker 3 (01:53:02):
Love you mate.

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
But right now, Tyler, my friend, Oh what a tune?

Speaker 3 (01:53:07):
Why am I playing this all Love by the Faces?
I don't easily know because I don't know the lyrics.

Speaker 2 (01:53:11):
I know I love the song, but well it's about
how when you're young, you should remember to be happy
because you've got time and you've got your health.

Speaker 3 (01:53:21):
What a great choice. Love it fans.

Speaker 2 (01:53:24):
That's when you're wealthy in your twenties, when you can
do whatever you want.

Speaker 3 (01:53:26):
Yeah, great sentiment. Love it anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:53:29):
Wherever you are, what are you doing? Give them a
taste of Kiwi Until we see you tomorrow, all right,
love you.

Speaker 7 (01:53:37):
Love you?

Speaker 2 (01:53:39):
What shoot?

Speaker 3 (01:53:40):
Great sho.

Speaker 5 (01:53:54):
Mattie and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 1 (01:53:58):
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