Full Show Podcast: 09 December 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hell are you great, New Zealands, And welcome to the
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of our show is. It is Monday, the ninth of
December and the year of our Lord twenty twenty four.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Great show today, Tyler certainly was. We went deep into evs. Yeah,
I feel like that's.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
An area we end up, and we end up whatever
we talk about, we end up going down a lithium
ion batteryhole.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
A battery chat on this like a black hole for us.
We get dragged into the batteries and we got a
lot of shit for same battery. Battery and also too
many wolves.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah, wolves and battery. Yeah, I say battery. I don't
have time. I'm a busy man. I don't have time
to make my teas like that. Battery.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
I'm busy, so I need to say battery. Also, we
go deep.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Into gambling as well with the tab and Winston Peter's
looking at shutting down online gambling with the likes of
bet three, six five and such and making tab run
them apply here and that was a really great and
interesting chat.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
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Speaker 1 (01:26):
New home for instateful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie and
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Speaker 3 (01:35):
Well, get a to you. Welcome into the show Monday.
You're listening to matt and Tyler. We're with you until
four pm. Get a mattes getay Tyler. How are you fantastic?
Two weeks to go until we wrap up? Getting pretty
close to Christmas on filling in the Christmas vibe. Yes, same.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
I ate so much on Saturday that I basically spent
Sunday lying on the couch holding my tummy.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
That is Christmas Baby, and that's what we love about it.
But a big show for you today after three o'clock,
we want to have a chat about weddings. A lot
in the wedding industry and businesses they are worried a
hit of the summer season, which is traditionally wedding season,
that a lot of people are cutting down on the costs.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, so that's a problem, isn't it if you're in
the business. But why do people have just spent so
much money on weddings? And how can you run a
cheaper wedding because surely it's all about the heart. Does
it really matter if it's just in the backyard at
your parents' house with a trestle table and some sausage
rolls and some drinks.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Not to me, but maybe to the bride. I mean,
that's going to be the question we put to you
after three o'clock, because that's a question. Is bankrupting yourself
at the start of your marriage a good sign or
a bad sign? Is it good because you've spent so
much money to signify how important this relationship is and
how long it's going to last? Or is it bad

(02:58):
because you've started off with an evacuous, massive expense that
then cripples your marriage going forward. Yeah, big question up
at three o'clock. After two o'clock, this will be interesting.
Hoston Peters says he wants to change the legislation to
make THAB the only sport and racing betting organization that
can operate online in New Zealand. As we know, there's

(03:20):
a myriad of international betting websites that you can use
in this country. But his point on changing the legislation
is the tab actually puts a lot of money back
into the community, into the racing industry, into basketball, into soccer,
whatever you're betting on. A portion of those funds go
back into the grassroots sport, right.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Plus it's regulated around harm as well, so it's looking
after New Zealand is as much as a gambling site can. Yeah,
I mean, why would you want that money just to
go straight overseas?

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (03:51):
I mean, if you've bet on basketball in New Zealand,
it goes to a certain percent. If it goes to
basketball racing, it goes to racing, et cetera. That's a
good thing, surely. I mean, if you agree this should
be gambling, and some people are totally anti the whole
gambling on sport, and you know, you could argue that out. Personally,
I enjoy it, but you could argue that one out.
But if we are going to gamble, wasn't it better

(04:13):
to do it within New Zealand? So some good comes
from it?

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Yeah? I agree. You want to control it as best
you can and keep the funds in New Zealand. But
that's after two o'clock, because right now we want to
have a chat about evs.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, that's right. So EV prices are plummeting. Some yards
are selling their cars forty percent less even higher.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
You were talking, Tyler, weren't you.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, So sales by engine type twenty twenty three to
twenty twenty four was fourteen point four percent EV and
twenty twenty three and five percent twenty twenty four, which is.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
A big drop off.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
And that can't all be put down to the dropping
of the clean car discount, No, because the prices have
now dropped to the point that it would offset the
clean card discount.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
And sometimes cheaper falling demand. I just read the line
here from the article. Was pushing down prices so much
that many of these evs, as you say, and how
cheaper than they were with the rebate. What was that
when you were talking about before? Oh, the Hyundai Ionic.
This was one particular dealer out of christ Church, so
brand new they go for seventy eight thousand dollars the

(05:18):
full EV and they're very popular. Vehicles, are very good
EV's and I've slashed the cost on the twenty twenty
four model by thirty k. So it's now forty eight
thousand dollars off the lot. That's an incredible discount.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
So are we falling out of love with EV's And yeah,
as I have. I have because I always thought that
my next car would be an EV. It was just
naturally in my head. I was walking around one of
those punishing lines. I'd always say, well, this one, this car,
this latest one I'm buying. Yeah, you know, that'll be
the last petrol car I buy, and then I'll be
going to EV. And now I'm just thinking with my

(05:51):
next car it won't.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Be Yeah, and why because the range anxiety? No, I
don't know it just look, you know, I can't put
my finger on it.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, it doesn't feel like it's the future as much
as it did before. And look, I talk to people,
and I'd love to hear from people on O eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty who have evs that they
appsolutely love, and also people that don't think it's turned
out as well as they have. I've got a friend
who's called an EV and he's finding the battery life
is very different than what it was advertised.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
He's finding the.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Charging really really annoying and I've got Yeah, as I say,
I've got other friends that absolutely love them and look
at me like I am from the year oldie days
driving around in my twenty nineteen petrol car.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yeah, I'm in the middle ground that I've got the
plug in electric and I did. We did pay too
much for it. We got the clean car discount and
that brought it down by about five and a half
k So that was nice. We took that, and I
was very smug with myself. Now I'm looking at how
much these brand newmits a bushy Eclipse cost and we overpaid.
We overpaid quite a bit. But I generally love the car.
We've saved a lot. Well, I've saved a lot on

(06:52):
the fuel cost. Primarily is that I would only fill
that car up maybe four times a year.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
It's a pretty cool car. When you drop me home.
The other day, I was like, this was good. We
were on electric?

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Where on IV? How smooth was that?

Speaker 2 (07:03):
It was pretty smooth? Driving was terrible? You really, you
really write up people's.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Butts the era news hera, but the car was good.
It wasn't the car's fault. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
If you are still looking at the EV market love
to hear from you. I mean the prices right now
if you want to find EV yeah, heavily discounted.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
And if you were like me and you always thought
you'd move to an EV next but you're not, can
you maybe explain why I've changed my mind because I'm
not sure. Eight hundred and eighty ten.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Eighty nine two ninety two is the text number. It
is twelve past one.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons you
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Speaker 3 (07:43):
Four used talk said V quarter past one.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
So we're talking about EV's. Has New Zealand fallen out
of EV love? Before we go and look at the
text here that came through A nine two one to
stop wooing manufacture manufacture meeting with content not sound effects.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Whoo whoo.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
If we want to woo, we will woo. So it's
that person that tacks that through. I'm going to add
a woo to every break I can remember too. Now,
just because you sent that through.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
There's going to be fifteen percent more wo I will
manufacture meaning with willing Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Anyway, but let's put that behind us. There's another text
on nineteen nine and two, a little bit more sensible.
I've had an EV for four years and wouldn't change
it for anything. It is the most refined drive, smooth
and fast, with no transmission jerks or engine wines and revs.
That's aside from the cost savings on maintenance and to
a degree fuel. I find most people who have negtive
attitudes towards EV's have never owned one or even driven one.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yeah, and that's a great point because I forgot that
about and I think we'll buy an EV for our
next vehicle whenever that comes up. But the fact that
you don't have to take it into a garage every
year to get it tuned up, it is a big
selling point for me. I hate doing that, taking it
to the garage. Find a mechanic who's not going to
rip me off because I know nothing about cars.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
But what if the mechanics. Who's going to employ mechanics,
who's going to what happens with that? Our whole industry?

Speaker 3 (09:00):
Well, yeah, Cyanara, I'm sorry, but I'm told I'm having
my EV that doesn't need to be taken into the mechanics, John, how.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
Are you very good, am I am?

Speaker 3 (09:10):
I yeah, mate, you you're not sold on the EVS.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
No, not at all. I think you know, if if
the batteries last, say eight to ten years, and you
own at the first DA, it might be all right.
But the second and I say he gets it after
five or six years, well you know he knows that
in too well, he doesn't probab because he didn't think
about it. But maybe in two, three, four years he's
going to have to spend you know, eight grand to

(09:34):
get a to get a battery in that. I was
going to buy a little toy out to Aqua, you know,
and they've done quite quite quite a few k's and
I went to the local how it came to outer
agent and they said, I think the Aqui course are
a fibridge, you know, they're not not as big a
battery as an order one. And that was going to

(09:55):
cost me about four or five thousand for the battery
a day to put it in, which was another thousand,
And I said, what sort of warranty because they were
giving five year warranties on their second hand ones at
the time. So I said what warranty? They said two years,
and I pointed out to them. You know you're giving
five for a for a second hand one. Why not
you know, in news and genuine to o the batteries,
I guess, and he said, no, No, two years is

(10:17):
what we give. Plus. The other thing I don't like
about them when they have an accident, if they catch fire,
they incinerate. You know, you can't get anywhere near them.
And a lot of people get trapped in a car
in an accent, or they get knocked out or or that,
or they danke it out of the car quick enough,
and I just don't want to be incinerated.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
Well, I suppose that can be the case with petrol
cars as well, drawn you know, if they set up
there a bad times as well. Yeah, no, that's fair enough,
not as much, but just on the warranty, I think
that is a fair point. Is that was a big
thing for me. I did my research because it's a
massive purchase, you know, so you want to buy something
that's not going to break down or the battery is
going to bugger up within a couple of years. So
I do actually have an eight year warranty on the battery.

(10:56):
But saying that, the more.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
About yeah, what about after that? What about after that
after eight years, you know who the next owner what
you know, they're just going to have no resale because
the next owner knows that he's going to have to
spend you know, eight drand on a batch. I think
for me, you're going to do that.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, well, I the more that I look into our
particular model, it's say Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross plug in, and
they were sold in Europe long before they were ever
sold in New Zealand and And you know, if you
look online, a lot of those vehicles are doing five
hundred thousand, six hundred thousand K on those batteries, and
those batteries are still holding eighty percent charge. So that

(11:30):
gives me hope that my battery is going to be
okay in the long run and will hopefully outlast the vehicle.
But you're right, I mean I took a punt, and
a lot of people who buy evs take a bit
of a punt.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
Yeah, And I don't think mechanics are going to be
wing on the others because most of the aortable hybrid
together petromatter as well.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah yeah, yeah, so that the hybrids that what you're driving, Tyler,
that keeps the mechanics in business, Yeah, but a little
less Yeah, but has the other benefits because that's this
person says someone when insulting you. One second here something
about you. Damn I can't find it.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
There was one.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Oh yeah, they's more than just it's an engine in
an EV, you dimwit?

Speaker 5 (12:10):
Or will you.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Repair the brakes? Exect yourself? Well, the thing is, I
think everyone accepts that there's more than just an engine
and an EV, but there's so many less moving parts
in an EV that, in terms of going to the
mechanic much less regular.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Definitely a feller on you who had a Tesla brand
new and he replaced the tires, no doubt about it,
But he hadn't had to replace anything else for about
four years. It's only four years that he had to
replace the brakes, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Don't you love a text from someone that starts with dimwitt?
And this says one of the stupidest things you'll ever hear.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Try again, mate, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Why have we fallen out of
love with EV's? And if you're in the market for
a new car, are you iron up these evs at
big discounts at the moment.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, and there's an elephant in the room about this.
These these the falling out of love with the ev
that probably a lot of people are pointing out that
will bring up.

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Speaker 1 (14:09):
Putting the tough questions to the newspakers the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Formal Boss of Business New Zealand Filer Ralli was on
the Welfare Expert Advisory Group. Do we do what Labor
and the Greens want us to do and we shut
these boot camps down?

Speaker 6 (14:20):
Of course, not nest you they work. I was a
sponsor of one in the John Key government boy. At
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Speaker 2 (14:27):
Does this suggest to you that perhaps what needs to
happen here is that whatever the wrap around is, that
happens well once the back in the community that needs
to be beefed up.

Speaker 6 (14:34):
Absolutely the figure she got some of the reasons that
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and sadly I didn't get this something fit to put
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So they weren't necessarily leaning into making the kinds of
changes are necessary there either.

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Duplessyen on the mic asking breakfast back tomorrow at six
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Speaker 3 (14:53):
Ded B twenty four past one. We're asking you the
question why have we fallen out of love with EV's,
Because it's not just down to the removal of the
clean card discount, and a lot of car dealers who
sell evs are drastically reducing the price of brand new EV's.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Of course, something else that has changed is road user charges. Yeah,
good point yep, because they initially were.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
No road user charges and now there are road user charges. Yeah.
And I think if you've got a full EV that
probably adds and if you know this, please take through
nine two nine two. But I think that adds an
extra thousand dollars a year, which is considerable for some people.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah, well, they weigh a ton, so they need to
pay their way on their own.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
They certainly do. Daniel, how are you?

Speaker 7 (15:34):
Yeah? Well, how are you good?

Speaker 3 (15:36):
So you you've got a great little commuter EV do you? No?

Speaker 8 (15:41):
I don't own that EV. I was personally going to say,
and what's about Harsh, I thank you too?

Speaker 9 (15:46):
Are great news wonders.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Oh, Daniel, bless you.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yes, I agree, and hey and Daniel, you're a great
New Zealander too.

Speaker 8 (15:54):
Oh first mate. So I don't know I was sypical,
but I happen to drive one on the weekend Mustang
me Gique, and I quite a char enthusiast, So obviously
I'm probably a bit more stubborn than it should be
on this matter. But as a comutu CA and just

(16:19):
something could blotter out of town and be comfortable, I
don't think any other car would do it better than
an EV. They're just so easy to modulate the accelerator
and go slow, go fast, get into traffic. That is fantastic. Also,
beside like battery life, than what's actually better for the planet.

(16:42):
I think if you're just driving for the for the
ease of driving, I don't think you've bet an EV.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Mm hmm, yeah, I mean that's certainly the case for me.
I think Dan, you're even with the plug in, is
that it's primarily just the driving to work and back
home and then just uses pure EV. But on the
longer trip, you know, I thank god I've got the
petrol option, because that would be a real pain in
the behind having a charge up on the big trips.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah, my friends, my mate who drives an EV, he
drove my car recently. He said it's he was being mean,
but he said, it's like driving a steam It's like
driving a steam engine.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
That's mates.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
He was going to me, it's like driving a steam engine.
And I think there is a better thing.

Speaker 8 (17:29):
Do you think where if you think one of the
basic principles of the combustion, it's it goes back to
the same Ben three wheeler in eighteen eighty six or whatever.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, well it's just as a whole a whole lot
of controlled explosions really bubbling your car along the road.
But it feels good. Yeah, I mean there's a power.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
You love that rumble underfore Oh exactly.

Speaker 10 (17:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (17:54):
I enjoy a menu. I enjoy doing things, you know,
a little bit of hills because I'm a bit of
the But you know, yeah, what.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
What are you driving at the moment, Daniel, what's your
what's your combustion vehicle? You got at the moment?

Speaker 8 (18:09):
Well down a little suits, it's a it's a two
thousand and nine manual.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
That's real. That's keeping it real on the road, that is.

Speaker 8 (18:19):
But but again it's got twenty horse pound only weighs
a thousand kilos, So yeah that's great.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah, good on you. I'll think if you called Daniel,
you're a great New Zealander. Hither you're not sold on today,
You're not sold on the ev situation.

Speaker 10 (18:36):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 11 (18:37):
There's supposed to be a caring country, right yeah, care
about the environment, here about every think here about people, right, yep, yep,
right right, Where do you think? Where do you think
after all this time, where do you think the.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
Batteries go to?

Speaker 5 (18:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (18:54):
We do.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
The batteries go to here is bye.

Speaker 11 (18:59):
We've been told officially there is a hangar out by
it or clin the airport that is full soul of batteries.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Well, I hope that doesn't go up. That'll burn forever.

Speaker 11 (19:13):
And I've heard this from a few mechanics. There's a
little part in the battery that you can only get
by digging it out. And who do you think gets
to dig those things out? Little part out?

Speaker 4 (19:34):
Who?

Speaker 10 (19:35):
Kids?

Speaker 4 (19:36):
Kids?

Speaker 13 (19:37):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (19:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Saying that at the start, Kimy.

Speaker 11 (19:40):
We're sposed healing country and looking after every body.

Speaker 9 (19:43):
What to oad a crop?

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, there's definitely some questions around the ethical nature of
how everything is sourced for these these batteries. Absolutely, and
at the other end, what we do with the batteries.
I mean, I mean, I know, I know, it's just
kind of funny question to say, well what.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
Do we do?

Speaker 2 (19:59):
What do we do with the batteries? But I don't know,
I don't actually know if you have a dead EV
battery and how many of them are out there now,
because you know there's going to be more and more
going forward into the future as EV's become more prevalent.
But where are they going? Do you know, Tyler, where
your one's going to end up?

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Well, apparently this massive hanger somewhere in all climbs according
to but either you know it's yeah, it's a few point.

Speaker 11 (20:21):
Go and talk redispos don't tell you.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Well, well, two things is two things here that you're
you're raked up about this. This is good love your passion.
That the old battery technology, you're quite right that leaves
and whatnot. There wasn't too much they could do with
those old batteries. As I understand that a lot of
the new technology you can you can replace parts of
the cell that dies within a battery, so you don't
have to replace the whole battery replace part of the cell,

(20:45):
which is a far more efficient way to do it.
But also here the lithium batteries are not just confined
to evs. If you've got a phone, if you've got
a laptop, there's yeah. So those kids are still digging
up there with.

Speaker 11 (20:57):
Them, I know, but he gets some part out.

Speaker 10 (21:02):
Of the ground.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, yeah, Hey, thank you so much for your call
here that I like. I experienced battery dissented ration firsthand
over the weekend when I got out some lights Christmas
lights to put the outdoor Christmas lights, and I hadn't
taken the AA batteries out over the year, and there
was just brown battery esid all through my Christmas lights
and I had to throw them out. So I'm a

(21:23):
victim of battery disintegration right now.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Are you coming around with the old battery ski You
gotta be worried about batteries in this world.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
I think they're removing the AA batteries if you're going
to leave something unused for a year. Has been stuff
we've known for a long time.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yeah. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. It is twenty nine to two.

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Speaker 3 (23:02):
Thank you very much, Raylean. We're talking about why we're
falling out of love with evs. The prices have been
heavily discounted across the board, sometimes as much as forty percent,
and in terms of sale numbers drastically dropped. Fourteen point
five percent of car sales last year was EV's this
year five percent, just five percent, So that's a big drop.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
And there are some headlines for evs such as the
road user chargers and the clean car discount being removed.
There's been a lot of talking about batteries this morning,
and this is an interesting text that came through. Interesting
that people talk about the battery ethics like the oil
industry is entirely ethical.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
It's a good point. It's a good point. Yeah, good call, Jeff.
You were or you're not sold on evs, and you reckon, reckon.
The early adopters made a mistake.

Speaker 5 (23:53):
It's not that I'm not so much sold on them.
I think, as you guys say, you know, certainly the
introduction of ruck dargers and the removal of the coin
car discount. I suspect they had a pretty hige effect,
and I think a lot of people sort of rushed
them early when evs came into play, like a lot

(24:15):
of them were important and just being back in the
early days we had you know this and leaves were
the biggest popular rightem prius Is certainly, I mean around
town used to drive them and they had a pretty
high failure rate, so that could be part of it.
And the other reason I think is probably lack of

(24:38):
charging ports on long distance routes. Yeah, if you're going,
for instance, if you say you want to go to
Kye Terry right from christ Jurgy, you want to go
through the Lewis through the land Road, you'd be struggling
the charging ports there.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
You've got to go through Lewis at least once in
your life, definitely, but you've got to spend a lot
of time in me There's nothing wrong with Merchison, but
there's a big line for that one EV churcher and
merch You've got to go through Lewis once Arth has
passed once as well.

Speaker 5 (25:10):
Yeah. Yeah, And the other thing that I was going
to mention that we're working off a very aging grid,
by the way, the power grid, and I don't think
anyone's paid too much attention to how many EV stations
can you plug into a grid that was built in
the nineteen sixties hasn't really really had much until it,

(25:35):
to be honest. Yeah, there's all those sorts of considerations
for the battery side of the things. Like you guys said,
it's getting better. The battery technology is getting better. There
are places up in the North Island. I used to
be in the automotive trade, so I know this place
up in the North either isolate damaged cells and can

(25:57):
replace them without having to dip the whole battery. That
that technology exist in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Now that's true because I was just reading and this
article I was reading that said unfortunately, they're currently no
facilities in New Zealand for recycling electric vehicle batteries. This
means they must be exported to a special facility in Australia,
which involves different types of transports.

Speaker 5 (26:20):
I could be wrong, but the last time I sold
a business recently this for rele of them is a
singer station owner. We used to get fat through from
the Motor Trace Association. So there would be articles in
there that said the rugs in New Zealand. I could
be wrong that are actually recycling EV batteries. Yeah, but

(26:43):
either way it's a teaper option. And like your previous
course said, replacing a eight nine krie.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
Just on the number of EV charges around the country.
Remember National floated that policy when they got rid of
the clean card discount. They said our new policy is
going to be installing ten thousand new charges up and
down the country. I think that's died a quiet death.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Isn't that a punishing way to do it? So that's
why I wouldn't give an EV. I hate the idea
of parking my car somewhere strange and just charging it. Yeah,
I I'm charging it at home. I wouldn't want anything
to do with that, just dropping.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
It off and coming back.

Speaker 14 (27:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (27:23):
The last I heard on that project for ten thalersand
charges was there was a company in New Zealand. I
think they're astraight. I could be wrong, and most could be,
but that installed as many charges and you see as
they could, and then they bug it off to Australia
and started don't work over there because I don't know

(27:43):
if it was part of the ten tails and charger operation,
but they said that's all we can install at the
stage because the infrastructions that's not okay.

Speaker 9 (27:51):
Well I don't know if that's true or not.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
Yeah, Jeff, thank you very much, mate. You made some
great points. And just on the old charger situation. Now,
this was some time ago that we were charging up
and twice or with our WEPHGV and we got told
off by someone who drove in with the Tesla saying
you shouldn't be here. You got to plug in. You've
got petrol you can use. Can we the charger?

Speaker 7 (28:12):
Sorry?

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Mate, I'm going to wait until I'm done. Tough, tough,
really yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Tought to wait to just throw hands.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
No, we didn't throw hands in the end, they got
really grumpy, jump back in the testa and just had
to wait. Really yeah, I mean, you can't do that.
It's not exactly. It doesn't get to judge how you
drive or what you need to charge. That's what I said.
I said, Look, I'm plugged in and it's charging. You wait, buddy.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Although we had that little dispute before or I wanted
to charge my phone plug into this little socket here,
and then you were like, what percented you on because
you had a because you had a lower percentage, you
were trying to claim it was your Yeah, your right
to charge first.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
I know that was higher demand than your fifty eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
ninety two. Ninety two is the text number as well.
It is nineteen to two. Yeah, and now we'll address
this in a second.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
There's a lot of people texting through saying there's a
lot of misinformation about these EV batteries.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
So we're trying to dress.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Those and go to some people that are bringing up
with those kind of complaints coming up soon at eighteen eighty.

Speaker 7 (29:10):
Have a chat with the.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Boys on eight hundred and eight and Taylor Adams afternoons
you for twenty twenty four news Talk said.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
Be news Talks there b it is sixteen to two,
so EV sales are way down.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
On twenty twenty three, have we fallen out of love
with EV's in New Zealand? And if so, why murray
you're a hybrid lover?

Speaker 4 (29:31):
And how are you mate?

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Very good?

Speaker 4 (29:34):
Hey, Look look you know when they when they decided
to give up the horse and cart because some people
decided to go to these funny combustion each of us.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Awk.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
Yeah, the horseless carriage was that it was the new thing.
They didn't their people stations and all the and the
infrastructure to fuel them and stuff in the beginning, But
enough people took the punt retired their horse, and the
the combustion engine got better and better because people took

(30:11):
the plunge. And that's thrik. Vehicles are the same thing,
you know, Yeah, okay, they every every new technology always
has problems as it gets further and further embedded into
the culture. But the question is is it going to
be better than the technology that you're giving up? And

(30:32):
and you know the you're talking about the lithium the
lithium ion battery, right, there's a there's a professor, professor
good enough, and he's in his twenties. He was part
of the team that developed the random access memory chip
for computers. He invented the lithium iron battery in his

(30:54):
fifties and a couple of years ago got the Nobel
Peace Prize for developing a battery based on silicon sand
from the from from the beach yep completely renewed resource. Right,
it's a conceptual. He shown the concept works. It'll be

(31:14):
years before they start putting them into cars and stuff
like that. There'll be other problems ahead, but you keep
pushing forward because that's how we get better.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yeah, you know it's this.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
It's not perfect. It's never perfect the first time.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah, but do you think I guess one of the
uptakes with you know, moving to the horseless carriage and
I've read these really amazing things.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
The first time.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
People used to see them because they've never seen anything
moving on its own, and they used to freak people out.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
And I get that.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
But the thing that the ev charging the battery has
is the time it takes to do it. Whereas you know,
you can stop off at a service station that's annoying enough,
but you can get that done in three minutes, and
so for a lot of people like me, when that
technology needs to move on. Also, ROP Professor Goodenough passed

(32:08):
away at one hundred in July last June last year, soon.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
An accomplished man looking at his his CV there. Yeah,
very very clever, great name.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
As well, amazing from Texas. I believe he was from
the very tour I paid fourteen grand from my Honda
Insight thirteen years ago. I've replaced one hundred and fifty
dollars wipe of blade, tires and servicing, you know, breaks

(32:40):
and servicing and tires and stuff. It just hasn't stopped.
And it runs on the smell of an early rag.
It was the reason we bought it. I was like
having to commute a lot to get to work, and
it was like, nascrew this. I'm going to find some
that's got some real economics. The thing still runs on
the smell of an oily rag thirteen years later. It's

(33:02):
just about at the end of its life now. And
the battery, you know, I mean, it's a battery petrol hybrid.
And but you don't get the next version of it
unless you buy this one, you know what I mean.
You don't. Someone doesn't build a better mouse trap until
you start buying the first type of mouse trap.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
YEP makes a lot of sense. Early adopters, and someone's
got to be an early adopter, right the first people
that bought the very original I phone. And you look
back at that iPhone now and you think what a
load of crap that was compared to the new iPhones.
But that you know, I don't know if i'd be
considered an early adopter, but as I said before, I've
kind of paid the price now that the car we
purchased has been discounted by about twenty k.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Well, I've gone down a Professor John B. Goodenough rabbit
hole here an interesting life. Oh my god, what a
brilliant man born in Germany in nineteen twenty two. Very
very smart guy.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Yeah, physicists that converted to Christianity. Interestingly enough. Yeah, brilliant Neil.
You want to have a chat about batteries and maybe
clear up some information holes that we've had.

Speaker 10 (34:07):
Yeah, just listening to the last quater Garry I think
his name was, Yeah, sort of. He's nailing it a bit.
The whole point about these batteries, when people say that recyclable,
there is huge, big plants being created overseas. I believe
there's a big plant in Finland that is set up
to take all the liviyuan batteries they can get hold of,

(34:30):
to recycle the livy amount of them and generate new batteries.
You've got to understand that the amount of batteries that
are needed to be replaced right now is very very small,
particularly in New Zealand. You know, cars aren't wearing out
their batteries much. I mean, I've got a Tesla. I'm
believed that I'm going to have at least fifteen years

(34:51):
of life out of that battery before I get down
to eighty percent. So it's going to last. It's going
to take twenty five years maybe before that battery and
that Tearessla is going to need replacing. Over that time.
There's going to be organizations, whether it be Tesla or
looking after their own batteries or what have you, that
are going to be taking those old batteries and they

(35:13):
will be recycling. They may put them in containers and
ship them to Finland or Australia or wherever to be recycled.
It's not a problem. It's you know, you know all
these people that are throwing their hands in the air
and say, oh Libyan is terrible and all this kind
of nonsense.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Right right now, we can't recycle in New Zealand, but
you can. We can export to Australia to.

Speaker 10 (35:36):
Basically, but we we have the number of cars that
needing battery replacements in New England is very, very small.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
So when recycling what can they take out of when
they're recycling.

Speaker 10 (35:48):
The the element liviyan doesn't disappear just as the battery
has reached the end of its life. The liviyum, the
quantity of liviyum and all the other rare earth metals
that they've actually put in these first generation the batteries
are still in the battery. So it's all it can
be all taken out, recycled, stript down to those basic

(36:09):
elements again and then re used again.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
What's what's the one that people nil is that colbalt
I mentioned lithium before, you know, the lithium.

Speaker 10 (36:20):
Yeah, there's a there's a there's a number of rare
eous elements that he used in there. But you know,
Tesla as an example, is now talking about in the
next twelve months, moving away from living them altogether. They're
talking about sodium ion batteries. Well, sodium and iron are
two of the most common elements we've got in the
you know, on the planet, you know, and you don't

(36:43):
have to sort of have people in some countries, you know,
digging up livant the stuff. So you know, I'm just
I'm just not concerned about it. I'm saying not concerned
about it. But I've got I've got a petrol car,
another petrol car, and I'm probably going to replace that
with the second Tesla. You know, you don't spend anything

(37:04):
on maintenance on the on these things. I've had one
for maybe four years. It's absolutely perfect. You know, zero
zero problem hasn't had a service yet.

Speaker 15 (37:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (37:17):
You know the idea of.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
People saying you've got to replace brakes and them and
all this, you don't, I mean, yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Good, I think you thank you if you call me
all that's interesting. So my understanding is batteries lose capacity
because stuff builds up on the on the.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Elect like so.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Builds up from the chemical reactions, right, yeah, so you
know it's filling up knocks and crannies and coating the
lithium material with sort of garbage.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
Right.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
So, I don't know enough about this. I'd love to
hear from something that does one hundred and eighteen eighty.
Can you clean that off and use the lithium again?

Speaker 3 (37:50):
You think that would be the easy way to tell it,
wouldn't you just get in there with the hose and
hose or all that spray it down, all that build
up the byproducts. Yeah, if you know the answer. I
love to hear from you. The electrolyte. Oh eight one
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It
is eight to two back with more very shortly. You're
listening to Matton Tyler.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Mad Heath, Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight and
Tyler Adams afternoons.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
News Talks, News talks. Here be five to two ticks here.
The word is batteries, not batteries. Are you sure betteries?

Speaker 7 (38:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Batteries bettery that works better battery bettery. Do you how
do you say? How do you say? If I give
it away? How do you sell? Say? M I l k,
m I l k? Milk milk, milk, milk. There's no
silent now there. Yeah, from the South.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
When I was a kid, because I come from the South,
people always got it's milk, not milk, mil lick. Yeah,
we don't speak the King's English. Yes, sorry, it's a
We can't believe they let.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Low born people like us on the airways that say
things like batteries instead of batteries. The world's gone mad,
isn't it.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Yeah, clean up the King King's English on the airwaves.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Quickly back to the batteries. Kiddy, guys, we're all early adopters.
We've all bought cars. The question is whether the next
development is with trading and what we've got. Most of
us just need a vehicle that does the job for
the most reasonable cost, and the cost don't add up
for electric when compared to modern economic petrol or diesel.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah, that's an interesting one way, because whatever car you
buy in five years, it's going to be obsolete.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
It's going to be obsolete.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Well, not necessarily mine cars. My car must be five
years old now four in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Yeah, new, it's beautiful vehicles, very well. I'm still impressed
with a lot of its features. But that is the danger,
isn't it? With something like this? Technology is always getting
better And they talk about these new batteries that are
going to last one thousand k before you need to
charge them up. But someone's got to take a punt
on the early technology for it to flour out of
that's right. You could wait till you're dead before you
try something, or you can get in early and have

(39:48):
some fun. Exactly we're going to carry this on.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yeah, one hundred and eighty ten eighty have we fallen
out of love with evs in New Zealand or is
your love just beginning?

Speaker 3 (39:58):
New Sport and weather on its way. You're listening to
Matt and Tyler. Very very good afternoon to you, talking.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
With you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams to
noons you for twenty twenty four news Talk ZIB.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
We'll get a to you Monday afternoon, seven past too.
Welcome back into the program. Having a great shat about
our former love affair with EV's. It's dropped off considerably,
but also battery technology. Yeah, that's right. So EV sales
have dropped from fourteen point five percent of engine types
you know, diesels thirty percent, twenty nine percent petrol, twenty

(40:34):
six point five percent hybrid and fourteen point five percent
EV and twenty twenty three EV has now dropped down
to five percent. And you can put a bit of
that down to the click clean card discount, disappearing and
road user charges. But now the prices of some EV's
on lots are so low you'd be stupid not to
buy one. Heck here, well that's my thing in anyway,

(40:55):
and this.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
You've got another reason not to guys. This is a
text nine two nine. So it's been a great discussion.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
So far, so good.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
We've decided to continue it on into the two o'clock hour. Guys,
the one important thing you are missing is weird does
the energy come from? North Island has one major hydro
system that is the Waycator River that barely keeps up
with demand in winter. Hence hunt they coal fire. Yeah,
I mean that's the whole, that's the thing. But I
guess that's I mean, that's another level back because because

(41:22):
some people buy EV's because they're cool and they're fast
and they love the talk on them, and some people
are buying them for the environmental because they believe they're
better for the environment. It's getting harder and harder to
argue the environmental value of EV's, but it's very easy
to argue how cool they are.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, those testas, Man, they've got some balls
on them. Quick text here, then we'll get back to
the phones. Hi, guys. Read my plug in Mitsubishi Eclipse.
I do a lot of part charging. Does that reduce
battery life as opposed to always charging it up to
a full charge? This is useful for a lot of
us drivers. From Jill well, good question, Jill. I don't know,

(42:02):
but I'm sure there's a battery expert out there that
does know.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
It an interesting text as well. On nine two, nine two,
we'll get to the calls. We've got full lines. But
don't stop that. You don't let that stop you calling
eight hundred eighteen eighty Matt. There are seven one hundred
and four lithium iron cells and a TESTA three each
one is the size of an AA.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Battery, right, I'd never I never thought of it like that. Yeah,
that's that's quite something. They are cool cars. They want
they testla just the technology aspect of it. The first
time I jumped in one and I wasn't sold. But
then how do we got given a test drive? I
wasn't driving it, but I thought, yeah, man, this is cool.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Oh, there's no doubt that they're wicked technology. Yeah, but
I don't want one anymore. For some reason, I thought
my next car would be would be an EV. I'm
driving a petrol car at the moment. I thought my
next one be a EV. But somehow in the interim,
I'm falling out of love with EV's and I'm not
sure why. And so we're putting that question out to
the wider country eight hundred and eighteen eighty. Have you

(43:00):
fallen out of EV's? He has New Zealand foll fallen
out of love with EV's or do we still love them?
Or do we our lack of love for them? Are
we getting something wrong?

Speaker 3 (43:09):
Maverick? You are a former EV owner?

Speaker 16 (43:12):
Is that right correct?

Speaker 4 (43:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (43:14):
I had to let it go back to the lease
because of the felt reasons which I adn't go into
but not right now. But yeah, I drove a missing
an electorate leave for four days under a year up
till about four months ago, and I just loved it.
I live in the Northway Catto and I had to

(43:35):
go up to fonge Pro where I used to live
to see my secretary and other stuff. And so I
was traveling about one thousand k a week on average,
and it was killing me driving a nice car. I
do Carton powdered and you know, like three four hundred
bucks of bloody week. So I was going backwards on
a pension and I thought, well, I've got to do something.

(43:55):
So I had to look around and came across an
old mate that's actually importing miss and least second hands
on them from Japan and other places and just struck
a deal with them. Charged me twenty nine grand for
the car.

Speaker 7 (44:10):
It was.

Speaker 4 (44:13):
Twenty nineteen and leave sixty two thousand clicks on the clock,
and I fell in love with it.

Speaker 17 (44:20):
It was just a beautiful car. I had to be
organized and think ahead because, as you know, there are
that many charging stations around, and there were lots of gaps,
even on State Highway one. And I caught me short
a couple of times, but I learned, and I ended
up in the back of the tow truck and a
few hundred dollars, you know, out of pocket. But once

(44:43):
you learn the rules, it's I mean, that thing was
only a forty kilo what which is a medium sized battery?

Speaker 4 (44:52):
It was as quick as a common way is.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
The Yeah, what's instant talk with the evs, isn't it.
That's what I love about it is my vehicles not
particularly fast, but it's pretty quick off the lines, yep.

Speaker 17 (45:04):
And when you need power, it's nice to have it,
even though if you don't use and I hardly ever
have to use it, but when I did, I'd bear
it off. Just about every ice car on the road, including.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
The odd commodore is.

Speaker 17 (45:21):
The other point I wanted to make is that my
economy rate versus a typical to an athlete ice car,
my energy cost is twelve percent. So for every dollar
I spent on an ice car, I was spending about
about twelve cents per kilometer on energy, which was a

(45:44):
mixture of home charging and fast charging. And on that point,
fast charging is great. Half an hour and you're topped
up from zero, and you can hook it up with
companies like Genesis so that you don't actually have to
pay for it at the time. They just check it
on the end of your power ball and they charge
you the domestic rates.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
And you've got to get a different system for your
fast jar. Do you at home?

Speaker 7 (46:08):
Do you do you?

Speaker 3 (46:09):
You've got to get some sort of yeah, carry.

Speaker 17 (46:11):
On, yeah, yeah, it has to be reconfigured, so you
need a techo to come in. And that took two
months to organize, and when they did it, it made
a huge difference. And then carry on.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Sorry, I was just going to say, so, without all
that in mind, Maverick, why do you think, considering how
cheap some of these evs are now that they still
aren't selling.

Speaker 18 (46:33):
Perception?

Speaker 17 (46:35):
Perception and misinformation and and you know the greenies, the
tree huggers. Oh we can't can't mind litting, it's topsic
blah blah.

Speaker 5 (46:48):
You know, just use your fears.

Speaker 8 (46:51):
We mind everything.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
Everything we touch with Classic with its metal comes out
of the ground. So what the hell.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
Thank you for that? No, So, Maverick, how come you
called Maverick? It's a great name that when did you?
Where did you get the name Maverick?

Speaker 17 (47:10):
I was born in New Zealand, but Mum and Dad
were both to rebels to a very an extent, more
than Dad. I mean Dad Rick used to go to
the Second World War, even though he's living in Holland
at the time, on the principle that it was all contrived.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
Whether he's right or wrong.

Speaker 17 (47:27):
Who knows that. I've got a feeling he was right,
but that's only my feeling. And Mum she never took
a step back. If anyone crossed to her, lookout, they'd
just cop it. So in my DNA, I've been a
rebel all my life.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
Very so your your your actual name's Maverick. It's not
a nickname.

Speaker 4 (47:47):
It is a nickname.

Speaker 17 (47:47):
It's a nick name, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't
I can't give you my full name because the politicians
are listening to it and they don't particularly like me.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Well, Maverick, you share a nickname with edam PERORI and
also Tom Cruise, so it's a good nickname, and and
James Garner Maverick as well.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Oh yeah, all right, Hey, well, thank you so much
for your call.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Meverick eight one hundred heavy working the ones and two's
what a great name.

Speaker 12 (48:14):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
He was talking about the Nissane Leaf engine and I
remember the story that that really excited me a couple
of years ago, and I hope it's still going. I
think it was in Dunedin where there were they were
putting Nissan leafs into classic cars so you could get
a you know, whatever car you liked, if you really
liked the body of the car and.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Maybe the car was on the way out.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Yeah, and they would replace the engine with a Nissane
Leaf engine, so you'd have a classic cars with an
ev On engine there.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
So like I always get the skin, so to speak. Yeah,
so I reckon.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
One of the coolest cars ever was the Debts and
five ten nineteen sixty eight Debts and five ten.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
There's such a cool looking car iconic. Yeahh I would
a bluebird.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
I would absolutely love to get that all done up
with an EV engine and you know, like, you know,
get all the console in there so you know, you
get you know, modern braking systems and steerage systems in there.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
But it's got the outside of a of a debts
and five ten how we ever, Yeah, oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It
is sixteen past two back in the.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Month your new home of afternoon Torthen Tyler Adams afternoon call, Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk z B.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Eighteen past two, having a great discussion about EV's If you.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Text through on nine two nine two, I'd like to
share with you someone was texting through that. Maverick driving
a leaf is a pretty funny idea. Have brick from
top gun cruising down the motorway on an this and leaf.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Not quite as cool as it as fourteen.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
It's a it's a great image. Here's another text talking
about lithum. It takes fifty kg's of energy to create
one kg of usable lithium, and the energy source to
us to create that lithium coal nearly ninety percent of
batteries made in China, and they use coal powered power stations,
and don't ask about the precious metals used in the
computer's controllers used on an EV nice and clean year, right,

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that's from Jim.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Yep, it's a fair point. And I think you mentioned
before more and more the environmental reasons for going EV
doesn't quite stare up, and it never was the case
for me. I just wanted to save on petrol.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
No, people want to drive around look cool and also
feel like they're green. But if you scratch the service
on an ever heat not particularly environmentally friendly. But you know,
you're allowed to have things just because they're cool.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Yeah, exactly, Richard. Do you think that dreadful vehicles?

Speaker 7 (50:31):
Yeah, they are. There's security issues with them. Ministry self
drive cars have to be and they have to be
EV's and it's about twenty six of them unless unless
the minister has a rural electric Okay, now they're all Chinese.
The Chinese can monitor them. They directly can they can

(50:54):
directly control the vehicle from China through the through the
computer on board computer, so they can they can control
the steering and brakes, and they can see who's in
the car. They can listen into the car, they can
see where it's going. They could drive the current with
a brick wall one hundred mile ear if they felt
like it. I think, how do you?

Speaker 16 (51:13):
How do you?

Speaker 3 (51:14):
How do you know that this sounds like an absolute
bombshell piece of news.

Speaker 7 (51:17):
He's kind a bomb shop piece, and in Australia and
denegrating the Australian Ministry of Security because he's driving an
electric vehicle.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Okay, I mean so you're saying so you're saying that
the electric vehicles in New Zealand driven, that the our
MP's and pm are driving around, and that they from
from Beijing. They could hacking and drive them into a water.

Speaker 7 (51:41):
They don't. They don't even need to hack, and they
can control it so they can listen in to who's
who's in the car, the conversations a whole lot. That's
not why I called.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
I'd like to see I'd like I'm not saying that
it's not true, but I'd love to see the evidence
on that one.

Speaker 7 (51:53):
No, I'll send you some.

Speaker 14 (51:55):
No.

Speaker 7 (51:55):
The thing with evs is they're very expensive to run,
they're very pollutic. Whly want to get rid of them.
Mike Hoskins has been hot gospeling the eye pace. Yeah, okay,
you can buy a five year old eye paced for
forty thousand dollars, down from one hundred and sixty thousand dollars.
It's only got twenty thousand kilometers on the clock. The

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depreciation is astronomic. They've also had to recall them all
five times. That's the twenty nineteen model, and two seven
hundred and fifty of the twenty nineteen model have been
repurchased back. They cannot fix them, they cannot make them safe.
The Felicity Ace, have you heard of her? That's one

(52:37):
of your dodgy Wellington. No, that's right.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
There's a ship okay, right, yeah.

Speaker 7 (52:42):
Okay, And there was a video shows that a Porsche
tae Can caught fire on it. Okay, it's an electric
vehicle and it destroyed the ship and sank off the seashells.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
I remember that story.

Speaker 7 (52:57):
Yeah, yeah, that's one one billion dollars for the damage,
not whole heave of a whole heave of pollution. In
the Lootant Airport fire, there's some discussion as to whether
it was an EV or a diesel powered vehicle that
caught fire, but that the the hybrid in question burnt

(53:18):
a hole through a concrete floor the airport. I mean
it's just sitting there burning and it burns a hole
to the concrete floor of the airport.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
Yeah, no doubt that.

Speaker 7 (53:28):
Well, you imagine if that happen at the Heritage Hotel,
for example, the hotel will be closed for about a
year until they repair the fans.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Imagine it heaven right here in the ZB studio with
me and Tyler sitting right now as we speak.

Speaker 7 (53:42):
I'm not impressed with EV's. You leave them on a
three year terming in England and in three years and
nobody wants and do you want to you want an
EV blown from England? You can bow low knowledge for
next to nothing.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
But Richard, you've made some pretty pretty full noise allegations
and then that's fair enough. But when you look at
at the petrol cars, does it not do you not
get frustrated at the international market for oil and it
goes up and down and it just seems to be
going up and up and up. The control how much
you pay at the pump, you can make.

Speaker 7 (54:09):
It go down and down and down. I live in
christ Church, Okay, where we are the South Island is
a raft of brown and black coal floating on a
sea of oil and gas. Massive amounts of energy down
here there was I worked for Penrod Un't patrolium on
their Penrod rig for a while on a half. It's

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been a southern basin and they drilled eight wells, seven revival,
two were gushers and it's all been forgotten about.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Well, is that the case ricture? Because there was a
story out last week about Shane Jones considering whether our
government would take responsibility for oil and gas companies searching
for those reserves. If they don't find it, then we
pick up the bill.

Speaker 7 (54:56):
You don't need to go searching. You don't need to
go searching for I can take you to Stuart Island
with a shovel and we can dig down two meters
and you'll find oil.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
Will when your e's going down, we'll bring some buckets.
It sounds like you know, okay, you to do the digging,
my son, Bey Hillbilly style down at Stuart Island.

Speaker 7 (55:13):
From the ground, it's exactly like Beverly Hillbilly is because
take a guy drop of beer. Yeah, went down a
gully to bring the carcass out kicked over a rock
and up up from the ground cream bubbling.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Crew, up from the ground, bottling crew. All right, Oh, hey,
thank you so much for you call Richard. Very interesting. Yeah,
I don't know about that kicking over rocks and then
these guys as of oil that comes out of the ground.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
But if it's true, well I think we need to
talk to the If our government officials are driving around
in cars that it can be controlled by the Chinese
Communist Party, then we need to get to the bottom
of that one.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
We certainly need to do. Next time I talked to
once and Peter's asking about that one. It is twenty
five pasts two back in the boy.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons. Call oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty on news Talk, said.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Be twenty seven past to John. You want to jump
in on the battery discussion.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
Yeah, I was really interesting discussion. Hey, and it's very
entertaining actually getting some of the ideas and there I say,
possibly conspiracy theories, but hey, look I would I would
just say from an environmental point of view, you know,
the electric the ev engine, it's it's probably about ninety

(56:31):
percent energy efficient. Whereas your internal combustion engine is about
thirty thirty five percent thereabout, yep. So from an environmental
point of view, you know, petroleum is going to be
We don't just use petroleum for gassing up cars, we
use it for all sorts of things, so it's a
valuable resource. And I think from an ecological point of view,

(56:56):
you know, the EV makes a lot of sense. And
I'm sure that battery technology, you know, we'll get to
the stage where possibly, you know, we're less reliant on
these rare metals.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Yes, so where is that going?

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Because you know, there's a lot of you know, research
and development obviously going in because there's so much money
involved and battery research. But where is that heading now
and where is it developing?

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Because I've just been looking around to see were watch
pathways that could go to move away from these metals.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
So I'm an extrical engineer, but unfortunately I'm also not
an expert on battery technology. However, you know, I think
it's only a matter of time. I'm certainly keen to
buy an EV, but I'm waiting actually for the battery
technology to get there, So you know, I might have
to wait five, ten years. I think evs never less

(57:53):
the way to go, you know future.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Do you know much about the solid state batteries in EV?
I know they exist in laptops for example, But that
sounds like quite promising technology.

Speaker 7 (58:03):
I think there is.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
You know, exciting technology you out there. But you know,
with all of these things, it takes time to develop,
and you know, so like any technology, I remember when
the first cell phone came out, you know, one of
my colleagues had when it was the size of the
briefcase and he wandered around with his things though, and
it cost him five thousand dollars. And you know, so

(58:28):
you only have to look at technology like that to
realize that, you know, it's only a matter of time
and the you know, battery technology will be that will
be another big revolution actually, because I think if we
have good battery technology, better battery technology, should I say,
you know, that's going to provide a hard greater opportunity

(58:51):
for storing solar energy for example, And yeah, so yeah,
that's where I.

Speaker 16 (58:59):
Think it's going.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
I'm sure people a lot smarter than me are working
on that. Tyler's quite smart though, because he's got a
foot in both camps. Because with your vehicle it's an
EV and so it's not. And then it flips over
to the petroleum engine.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
Yeah, but you say that now. I mean when I
purchased that and everyone said that you've got the worst
of both worlds. And now people are saying, yep, hybrids
are the way to go. So it's a roller coaster
and who knows, I mean down the track. I think
we made the right pack that the charging capability isn't
up to scratch in New Zealand yet, so I've still
got the combustion engine to fall back on on long trips.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
And what's the because you're running a car with two
engines in this essentially yeah, so what's the Have they
skimped on the combustion engine or when you flip over
that does it?

Speaker 3 (59:41):
How does it feel?

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Because you know, as I was saying before, my mate
when he drives my car goes little. You're driving a
dinosaur mobile.

Speaker 6 (59:49):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
But does it feel like that? And do you have
a powerful, powerful combustion engine or is it more weighted
towards the EV side of things.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
It's a two point two so not massively powerful. But
you're right, when the combustion engine kicks in. I feel
the rumble underneath, and it doesn't feel right. Actually, after
driving with an EV for so long and I feel
that rumble, I think there's something wrong with the car.
But I've got to say, with the plug in hybrid,
if you're towing, for example, you kind of need the
battery and the combustion engine together, or else you're just

(01:00:18):
not going to get enough juice to go uphill. Yeah. Right,
but you know, we've lost a bit of money on
that car, so we're just gonna have to drive it
into the ground so we can do this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
I said before somethings things are just cool. And you
got me left home the other day and I thought.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
This is a cool car. It was a nice drive,
wasn't it. My driving wasn't so nice. A terrible driving,
but that was a cool cat.

Speaker 7 (01:00:35):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
That has been a good discussion, and that's where we'll
leave it, because after the headlines, we want to have
a chat about Winston Peters and legislation he wants to
bring in, making tab the sole provider of online sports
and racing. Bedding will tell you why more will tell
you more about why he wants to do that. Very shortly.
It is twenty eight to three.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Jew's talk said be headlines.

Speaker 14 (01:01:02):
With blue bubble taxis it's no trouble with a blue bubble.
Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters says use lands closely following
the collapse of President Bashah Alasad's regime in Syria, says
it perpetrated significant human rights abuses against its own people
for many years. Canterbury firefighters continue to work at at

(01:01:23):
one hundred and thirty four hectare fire at West Melton,
where ground crews will be working without air support because
of rising winds. No homes have been damaged. Billy Graham
Youth Foundation says the boys taking part in the government's
boot camp program have challenging backgrounds and a long road ahead.
Two fifteen year olds have been arrested after an alleged

(01:01:45):
carjacking in Hamilton. Relief in the community that the liquidated
muckatou Pies has a new owner, meaning work will continue
for staff. A man allegedly attempting to steal copper from
a property in Henderson and Auckland last night has been
injured by an electric shock and trapped under a house.

(01:02:06):
Small businesses share predictions for on Christmas spending You can
read more at Enz and Herald Premium. Back to Matt
Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Thank you very much, railean right to good discussion on evs,
but we're going to change it up over the next
week while we want to talk about online bedding. So
Racing Minister Winston Peters wants to bring in legislation to
extend the tab's currents what he calls monopoly over sports
and racing bedding to also cover online bedding. The TAB
was established a fund the racing industry and it provides

(01:02:37):
quite a bit of cash, they say, back into the
racing industry and other sports organizations. Right, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
So if you bet on basketball, even if it's on
the NBA, then that money, you know, profits after tax
and such, go back towards supporting basketball in New Zealand.

Speaker 7 (01:02:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
So he went on to say, this is Winston Peters.
The legislation will enhance the long term sustainability of New
Zealand's racing industry by making ta B New zealand sole
provider for online gambling, whether that's sporting or racing. Growing
competition from offshore online bidding operators poses a significant threat
to the TAB New Zealand model, and it is. I mean,

(01:03:13):
look everything that he said in this article, I agree
with that, whether you're against online betting or not. The
fact that New Zealand, along with many other countries have
been taken over by international betting organizations. They've kind of
come in because the regulation hasn't exists and the internet
can be a bit of the wild West, and they're
paying no tax here and none of that money is

(01:03:35):
going back into our communities and they don't care about
the damage they do.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
In New Zealand, you know, TAB has self exclusion programs,
problem gambling awareness, workshops for drug addicts, staff intervention policies,
maximum bet and lost limits for account holders. So you know,
the TAB is regulated in New Zealand to what we
decide is best for our country. So you know, if

(01:04:01):
some people think just gambling is bad altogether and want
to get rid of it, right, I mean, and you know,
I'll tell you what if you do that, people will
still find a way to gamble, because I mean, no
one's ever gotten rid of gambling. But you can, you
can control it as the TAB does. Yeah, and I
think that's a good thing. It keeps it off the streets.

(01:04:23):
And the crazy world of bookies. Right, so people are
going to gamble, so surely that should be a New
Zealand run thing which puts money back into the sports
in New Zealand and thinks about the harm to New
Zealanders that come from gambling and has some and has
some things in place to try and mitigate that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Right, yeah, surely it should.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
So we don't want to and we don't want their
money just going overseas to these bit three six five muppets,
do we no?

Speaker 14 (01:04:46):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. This is what
we want to have a chat about. Is this a
good idea? I know Australia we're looking at how they
clamp down on online gam gambling with websites that were
targeting people under eighteen. So this would be part of that,
right that. If there's legislation involved that TAB is the
only online gambling organization in New Zealand, then that means

(01:05:07):
young teenagers who let's a lot of them are going
online and playing poker, or they're making bets on the
Mike Tyson Jake bullfight. They're doing those things because there's
no checks about how old you are. Are you eighteen?
It's take a little box. Yep, you're good to go
on bidding three six five, whereas tab has a lot
more chicks than that.

Speaker 5 (01:05:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
I was trying to sign up to bitcher recently because
you know, I have a bit of a flutter here
and there and I really enjoy it. But it was
quite hard to get on bitcher scanning my passport. It
wasn't reading it, and so you know they make it.
You have to prove who you are to get with
the tab. Here's a text immediately coming through against what

(01:05:46):
we're saying, fellers, stop trying to control the world freedom
of choice, good or bad?

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
Who cares? Who owns it?

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Andy, Well, we're saying if the tab in New Zealand
controls gambling, then some of the money goes back towards
New Zealand and sports in New Zealand, which is surely
a better thing because people can still gamble, absolutely, but
it's not just flying off into the void and not
doing any good for New Zealand.

Speaker 14 (01:06:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
Oh, eight one hundred eighty, ten eighty. If you're someone
who gambles online quite frequently, how do you feel about
this legislation if it does come to pass? Nineteen ninety
two is the text number. It is twenty to three.

Speaker 14 (01:06:24):
It's done.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
You take on Talkbag Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
News Talks ZEDB. We're talking about Winston Peters. He is
the Minister of Racing. He wants to bring in legislation
to make TAB the only online better in the.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Country, shutting down the internet options. Yeah, shutting down the
apps from overseas. I mean, is that possible?

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Can you do that? I mean people can of course,
people can VP in their way around around the other side,
can't they. Yeah, there'd be loopholes around it, you have
to say. But as rationale is to me rock solid
that the TAB as it stands provides ninety percent of
the racing industry's revenue. And as you mentioned before, if
you've been on basketball, if you've been on rugby, that
money goes some of that money goes back to the

(01:07:10):
grassroots level, if you bed on the likes on And.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
That's the great thing because as I said before, you've
been on the NBA and that money goes to New
Zealand basketball.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
That's a great Yeah, but what do you reckon ross?

Speaker 18 (01:07:22):
Okay, guys, I'm an avid horse racing gambler, ye, been
doing that for forty years, and I have three overseas
accounts for three different gambling companies as well as obviously
the tab in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Okay yep, So.

Speaker 18 (01:07:39):
Two things why I use my overseas ones more than
the New Zealand one is because the New Zealand one
gives you lousy dividends because you know that they're heating
by gambling, by putting their money overseas to cover their
So to give an example, if the horses racing, the

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New Zealand tab as an example, might offer ten to one,
where the overseas ones will offer fifteen or twenty to one.
So obviously you'd get amble on the overseas because the
New Zealand dividends are crap?

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
Can you explain?

Speaker 14 (01:08:13):
So?

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Rostis because this is news to me and I find
it very interesting. So why can you explain again why
the overseas odds are better than the local odds? Is
that because you know just the the size of the
you know, like the you know the amount of gamblers
or the you know, the economy of scale or what
was the reason you were saying.

Speaker 18 (01:08:33):
Sorry, well, okay with someone like Betfair, it's because every
dollar you put in there's someone else is willing to
accept your bet, and so generally you'll find that if
the horse is at twenty to one with bet Fear,
they'll probably off you fifty to one. So obviously, so
for your dollar, you're obviously going to go to bed Fair. Okay. Now, secondly,

(01:08:59):
the New Zealand tab will not accept your bet if
it is if the amount payable there's too much for
them to accept. Okay, And so once again, why would
you bother wasting your time on the New Zealand tab
when they limit you. Now that's something that Winston knows about,
and that was something that it was taking to the

(01:09:19):
tab to say, if you want to be the only
ones to accept bets, then you have to be able
to accept the larger bets because otherwise why am I
going to do that? Winston knows about that, okay, right,
But that pisses me off because I can put twenty
cents on a bet with bet three six five to

(01:09:40):
potentially win three million on a multi but the New
Zealand tab will not accept that same bet. Which is
between es.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
It's a fair points. So you're talking about the amount
that they'll accept, but you're also talking about better odds
as well.

Speaker 18 (01:09:56):
Yes, and just finally, there's no way they can stop me. Now,
they can stop me online because they would track my VPN,
but I can overcome VPN. But more importantly, what I
have to do is just make a phone call. No
way they can stop me because because I can just
make a normal international phone call, taste my bet on
my overseas accounts in the UK or Cayman Islands wherever,

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it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
Yeah, so that comes a bit ross.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
But do you feel anything like so, do you think
that the money going from betting, that there's a worth
in it going back into New Zealand sport and the
money just not leaving New Zealand, that the money that
that that is bet comes back into the system of
New Zealand and does good?

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
Do you see any worth in that?

Speaker 7 (01:10:38):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (01:10:39):
Yeah absolutely, But but I would I would only bet
on the New Zealand t a B if they offered
me the same odds that I get overseas and that
they will accept my bet for anything.

Speaker 4 (01:10:49):
But they won't.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
So you're a pretty serious. You know, you're pretty serious
on the ponies there, Ross, do you do you do you?
You know, if you have an honest appraisal of how
you go, are you up overall or down overall?

Speaker 7 (01:11:03):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (01:11:03):
I should no, no, no, no, no, I'll be down. Hey.
But I don't drink and I don't smoke, so I
guess that's my vice, right.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, no judgment, no, no, absolutely, you're
an honest man. But just quickly, Ross, going back to
the idea of that money going back into the community.
It sounds like you're a passionate supporter of the racing
industry here in New Zealand, and you know that that
industry has been struggling for some time. There was about
thirty million of taxpayer money that went in there in
the provincial Growth Fund. So surely this is a good

(01:11:32):
way to look after that industry in New Zealand.

Speaker 18 (01:11:36):
Yes, but don't forget some of it is self inflicted.
Because if I was on the board, by what of
thirty years ago, shut down eighty percent of all the
race courses and they've been stuffing around all this time.
And yes they've been slowly doing it, but all the
local tracks that only had one meeting a year and
all that. What a waste of money up keeping and

(01:11:57):
pumping money into those tracks. What a waste of time.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Yeah, yeah, although I enjoyed on the weekend, so I'll
have a flutter. I'll put ten dollars here and there
across the weekend. And I actually, you know, I don't
know nearly as much about it as you do, Ross,
but I think it's quite amazing that all these races
are being run around the country that I can follow.
I mean, I'm amazed that they keep going, but I
think it's cool that they do.

Speaker 18 (01:12:22):
Yeah, but we don't have the money to upkeep all
those race tracks, especially when they have only one or
two meetings a year, and lessly as they were losing
a lot of the money.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Hey, well, thank you so much for insights, Ross, very
interesting to me. Stuff I didn't know, Dave.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
You don't like this idea as well?

Speaker 7 (01:12:40):
Hi, guys?

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
Yeah, good good. So you don't like the idea that
tab maybe become the only online gambling organization in New Zealand.

Speaker 15 (01:12:51):
Well, look, I get what he's got where he's going
with us, and I think conceptually it's not a bad
idea that you know, we should, you know, try and
retain as much Dora, me and this country as possible.
I mean, that's you know, that benefits all of us
in some way, shape or form. You know, if we're

(01:13:11):
if you're making as the as the TV, you know
there are some money being channeled down through others, other
to other places that benefit New Zealanders. I'm all for it,
and I think that if he can pull us off, well,
you know, all power to him. But I don't know
how it's going to control it because you know, there's
a there's a clique of people in this country as

(01:13:33):
there are in Australia and US, and that that that
gamble online full time. This is their job, a job.
I know one very well and he's been doing it
for I think thirty years now. He hasn't had a job.
He's cash for everything, brand new cars, buy a house,

(01:13:54):
you both cash. You can't get finance of course, because
he's got no declarable income. So there's a there's a
clique of people out there. I'll be interested to know
how much money is you know, we're losing from gambling
from full time game because they're very smart. They all
the buildings done online and it's done offshore. The funds
are transferred to lights of the Cayman Islands and and

(01:14:17):
other places around the world, so the IOD can never
see that money. So yeah, they live a cloaky, dark
lifestyle which is pretty damn good.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
And so your mate, just just before we go on,
so your mate is making good money. So he's making
a livelihood from from this. But he's but he's in
a position where he can't buy a house because you
can't just pay.

Speaker 4 (01:14:41):
He bought a house.

Speaker 15 (01:14:43):
He bought a brand new house not long ago.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
Right, and so and so how do you how do
you buy and and so? But you're saying that has
moneys not going through the tax.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Department, So I aren't the questions are asked when you
buy a house, you know, you have to go through
those those hoops. That's more when you sell the house though,
isn't it in terms of.

Speaker 15 (01:15:01):
Yah, Yeah, yeah, I mean he brought it. He just
bought a brand new bought brought a brand new ev
but cash cash Johnny slash and does.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
He and does he go up and down or is
he is he generally on the art.

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
He's he does it.

Speaker 15 (01:15:18):
He's not He's not putting you know, five hundred on
a whim. He's he's doing micro bidding and you know
on American football teams and you know, baseball basketball.

Speaker 4 (01:15:28):
You know, he's playing the.

Speaker 9 (01:15:29):
Mass game with it.

Speaker 15 (01:15:32):
And to be straight up, and I mean that he.

Speaker 8 (01:15:35):
Has well, isn't it work?

Speaker 9 (01:15:37):
Doesn't work?

Speaker 15 (01:15:39):
You know, other than but he lives a phenomenally good lifestyle.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
Is he a happy Is he a happy man?

Speaker 7 (01:15:45):
No?

Speaker 15 (01:15:45):
I think he's just I think he's he's just he's
institute emotionally. You know what, what I'd love to see
and this is just a personal thing I'd love to
see once and get rid of.

Speaker 4 (01:16:01):
Every all of the poke is made.

Speaker 15 (01:16:03):
I think, ye bloody so that we've even let into
this country.

Speaker 8 (01:16:10):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
I think I think there's a bit of joy and
betting on sport and I enjoy it, you know, with
the reason they think there's joy on the ponies, but
there's nothing in the Pokeyes, pokies are just pure addiction
and theft.

Speaker 7 (01:16:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:16:22):
And you know, you know you go to these pubs
around you and you see these little dark rooms with look,
you know, it's just.

Speaker 7 (01:16:31):
Sad it is.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
Yeah, that's the word for a Dave said, yeah, mate, Yeah,
we've got to run, mate, but thank you very much
for your phone call. It is seven to three, the
issues that affect you and a bit of fun along
the way.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons you for twenty twenty
four you've talked, said be.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
News talks, there'd be five to three.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
So yeah, there's a few texts coming through A ninety
two niney two that our last caller's mate who's making
a lot of money gambling and managed to buy a house,
but it's running running some stuff through the Caman Islands.
Have you heard of id's Asset Accreditation tists? They look
at your assets and you have to prove how you
source the money to buy them.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
If you can't, you're in the gun.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
For tax of audience and part apart from the proscunity,
you'll pay a penalty. Yeah, because I've got a friend
who subdivided his house and the people that wanted to
buy subsivider's land and the people that wanted to buy
the next property tried to pay with cash and he
was like, you can't pay with cash in New Zealand.
The way it works, it has to go through lawyers
and a bank and everything.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
That's why Dave's made is so unhappy because he's always
looking over his shoulder thinking to you, because the ID
going to get me any day now much we keep
the chet going.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
Whence Peter's wanting to make all gambling in New Zealand,
including online gambling through the TAB.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
Yep, so much pushback on it. I thought peopleould be
for it. Yeah, everyone, so far as again it oh eight,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is and number to
call nine two nine two is the text number better
Kenny Rodgers to the News will catch it. On the
other side.

Speaker 16 (01:18:03):
When you're sitting at the tables, there'll be timing up count.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
When the dealing is done. You got no wenderholder, No,
when love away, no when the run you new your money,
when you're seven.

Speaker 14 (01:18:26):
Left the table.

Speaker 13 (01:18:27):
There will be time.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
When the deals done. News talks their betters. Sixteen past
three and we've been talking about Winston Peters, who wants
to bring in legislation to extend tab's current monopoly over
sports and racing betting to also cover online betting.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
As he said, this legislation will enhance the long term
sustainability of New Zealand's racing industry by making TAB in
Z's sole provider for sports and race betting, both online
and on land. Growing competition from offshore online betting operators
poses a significant threat to the ta B New Zealand model.
But there's a lot of people that have come through
on one hundred and eighty ten N ninety two saying

(01:19:10):
that they prefer the experience of these overseas better, and
they prefer the odds, and they prefer the payouts. This
absolutely sucks. Is this text to have been blocked by
the TV for making too much money? There are way
less bidding markets on TAB compared to other bookmakers. It
would be like going back thirty years in time or.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
Christine Well, I mean we both thought this was going
to be a slam dunk, but my, oh my pushback
on this one. Yeah, Brian, you're all for tightening it up,
though you reckon TAB should be the one and only
online bidding organization.

Speaker 4 (01:19:43):
Yeah, one hundred percent.

Speaker 12 (01:19:44):
I mean I'm an ever hunter on the only on
the weekends during the RL seasons of a five league
multi But yeah, the money's going back into New Zealand sport,
then let's have it, like go for it winning and
maybe we can get a bit more money hunter to
the NRL, you can get a star players and finally
win a grand title.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
And are you happy with the odds you get and
the restriction that are applied around the tab?

Speaker 12 (01:20:12):
Yeah, to be fair, I've probably never won the amounts
that some of the other guys there are winning to
either have a problem with the tab paying these these
I've heard. I have heard of them before, not paying
out when it's when it's pretty good. But for me,
I mean for your week into that's having a bit
of home and and staying within a limit. You know,
I think it's pretty well well good and mud other

(01:20:32):
say go towards the New zeal On sport and racing
the week.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Yeah, I think I'm with you, Brian, because I think
I'm a different kind of gambler, because I have a
flatter on the t a b If I'm watching a
sporting fixture, I like just to put ten dollars here
in the air, and I put a bit on the
ponies in the weekend. But I'm not not really doing
it with the eye to make money. It's more just
a bit of fun and a bit of entertainment. So

(01:20:57):
I've never seen the parameters of being a big problem
because I'm just either a win or I don't gambler. Yeah,
I'm not a professional gambler or even particularly good one.

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
I'm like that or sucks interesting. I might put ten
bucks on. Yeah, you know, but I'm with you. I mean,
I would think, Brian, for most of the people that
have a bit of a flutter on the weekend would
be the vast majority of tha B betters, maybe not
on financial value, but on number value. That it's kind
of that situation where you might go into the pub
with mates on a Saturday and there's a tab kiosk

(01:21:29):
there and oh, hey, look there's some racing coming up.
We'll put a tenor on just for a bit of
extra entertainment value while we're having a pint.

Speaker 12 (01:21:36):
Yeah, definitely a bit of fun like that. I think
to be fair, like a few of the other previous
callers of service, there's anything that really means to be
regulated and stopped, and so i'mlin casinos in the pokey
rooms make they do more harm than anything else.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
Yeah, Yeah, good, good call, Brian, Thank you very much.
And I mentioned before Ozzie were trying to come down
on the online gambling websites. But I think that's more
what they're trying to do, right, it's the ones with
the Pokey's and the online blackjack and the poker. This
is slightly different when it's focused on sports and racing specifically,
right Yeah. Yeah, And look, I guarantee people will be

(01:22:09):
able to get around it if you're really serious about it.
That's the thing with VPNs as. You can get round it. Yeah,
if you're serious about it, if.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
You really want to and you've got they've got the
desire to vote. With the overseas you know, betting companies,
the three six fives and such, you'll find a way.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
But what this would mean, I believe, is just.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
Your casual, casual punter like me the likes a bit
of a flutter, wouldn't be bothered doing that, and so
more money would go back into New Zealand sport from gambling.

Speaker 4 (01:22:35):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
So, but the serious gamblers that actually.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
Know something about it and actually know how the odds
are being restricted by the tab but just go around
the site.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
Yeah, Well, who was it was it Ross that had
his bookies overseas on speed dial? He just picks up
the phone to make him pat yep. One hundred thousand
dollars on.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
Even without a VPN, he can still make a phone call. Yeah,
that's old school with the geting on the phone field.

Speaker 4 (01:22:57):
Get there.

Speaker 16 (01:22:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
O one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call quick text to the break. It's a great
idea from Winston Peters. All these guys punting off sure
are greedy buggers. Odds are becoming more comparable now now
that entertain are running things. New Zealand punters need to
punt here and help the racing industry and sporting codes grow.
Keep those coming in. On nine two ninety two, it

(01:23:19):
is twenty one past three.

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on Youth Talks EDB, News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
We're talking about the idea or the push for by
Winston Peters, the Minister of Racing. He wants legislation in
place to make TAB the only online bidding organization for
sports and racing. Certainly a lot of fired up people
on the text machine nine two niney two keen to
hear from you on how you feel about this idea.
But let's go back to the phones in. How are you?

Speaker 13 (01:23:54):
I'm good, thank you. That's higher, is it?

Speaker 4 (01:23:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:23:56):
It is.

Speaker 5 (01:23:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:57):
Now what do you feel about this legislation.

Speaker 13 (01:24:00):
Well, it's it's like a lot of things, that the
money's going out of this country in all sorts of ways,
not just racing. Why don't they won't as we look
at the likes of we want to call uber and
all that the money is going straight out of the country. Yep,
everybody is riding all in government officials and cruising around

(01:24:21):
and and the taxplayers playing for it of course, and
it's all going out of the country.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
Yeah, but I guess it's just I guess just that
I guess sorry, sorry in but like it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
But just because it's going out a lot of different
ways doesn't mean that we should shouldn't plug the holes
where we can.

Speaker 13 (01:24:38):
Well, that's right, but you know, I mean a few bidders,
uh betting over you know, like center bed or whatever.
You know what I mean, it's not a lot compared
to the bigger the bigger margin, like people have gone
off horsetration a bit, especially with those machines.

Speaker 6 (01:24:58):
You know, like.

Speaker 13 (01:25:00):
You get paid out straight away, you see, like you
get a t A B you got better than T
a B. You've got to go and get the money out.
They give you a machine, they give you a receipt.
You know, it's not like the old days, you know,
the bars.

Speaker 4 (01:25:18):
And that now that not very many of them have
got to and you'd have to have a beer before
you have a bet, wouldn't you.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, definitely more fun than the TV.
If you're actually in an.

Speaker 13 (01:25:29):
House, they're always gonna win. I've never.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
Yeah, that's right, I mean, yeah, in the end, absolutely,
that's how their business model works.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
The house always wins.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
But Ian, uh, you do raise an interesting point though,
because so much of the money that we spend on
any so many different sectors in New Zealand just goes overseas.
But as a result we arguably get better service. And
I was talking before about you know, before the UK,
before the UK joined the E year before, back in

(01:26:04):
the seventies, we were just selling our meat overseas. The
money was coming in and you you basically to get
ridden permission from the government and.

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
Put a car and.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
As a result, we were quite a wealthy country, but
we didn't have a lot of information and a lot
of we didn't have a lot of options. And also
people would come over here and feel like they're going
back in time. So there is a balance there between
the money going back.

Speaker 13 (01:26:29):
And you're going back into my time a bit.

Speaker 15 (01:26:32):
Yeah, because we.

Speaker 18 (01:26:34):
Were all fully employed.

Speaker 13 (01:26:36):
Yeah, there was only a couple of seasonal workers that
might not get a job in the off season. Really,
but everybody had a job and you didn't have all
these pull little buggers were walking around down causing trouble
because they could go to the freezing work all the
shar and share and go and get a dollar and
we'd all.

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
Get a feed. But it comes back to consumer consume
a choice though, doesn't it in because back here, you know,
back in your name, if you wanted to buy a chainsaw,
you'd have to go down to the chainsaw store that
was only one. But now you know, and this is
about consumer choice. So whether it's Uber, whether it's online gambling,
whether it's Amazon, whether it's you want a new steel chainsaw,

(01:27:13):
you've got more choice with the online options.

Speaker 4 (01:27:16):
Yeah, I have a good day.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
But we didn't have a choice then of course, back
because when the UK joined the EU, they didn't buy
our stuff anymore. So we tried for a while just
to buy it ourselves in stockpilot. But we were going
back up really fast. So you know, the government came
in eighty four and opened us up and look, as
a result, it you know, has saved the economy. But

(01:27:43):
also it just meant that from then on a lot
more money was going.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
To go overshore offshores.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
Yeah, and as a result, New Zealand became a much
more exciting place. I read this great book about the
banded English rock band called The Pretty Things that came
to New Zealand pre that time, you know, in the
late sixties, and boy, oh boy, New Zealand was a
back order of the world. But as you say, everyone
was employed, yep, they literally had that. They literally knew everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:28:11):
That was on the doll The economy was humming.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
Yeah, well it was humming because we swore we made,
we sold and whatever we imported, and we manufactured things.
You'd buy stereo systems that were manufactured in New Zealand
that'd be made out of wood and stuff, and so
in one respect the economy worked really well.

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
But that that was dependent on England buying everything that
we made. Yeah, but if we can agree that on
some of those things, he mentioned Uber before, and you
know there's been some concern over how much money Google
and Facebook are taken away from this country, and Amazon
is a big one. This is easy legislation as a
starting point, right credit to.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
Go because the tab is something we have in New
Zealand that I believe. And look, there's so many people
that have proven me wrong on this, but for me
in terms of my gambling needs, it provides it. But
there are services that if we just made them completely
New Zealand based without the offshore component, would not provide
the needs I need.

Speaker 3 (01:29:08):
You know what I'm saying, No good call, Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is and I'm call going
to keep this going. It is twenty nine past three.
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Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty seven to fourum.
We've been having a great discussion about Winston. Peter's pushed
to make tab the only online betting organization in New
Zealand when it comes to sports and racing. It's already
got a bit of a monopoly on the ground. Is
that a good idea?

Speaker 2 (01:30:54):
Nine two nine two is the text number, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the phone number. Hey guys, No,
tab should not be a monopoly that causes more issues
than it solves. From Ben and someone else says, Boys says,
hey guys, what of the tear becomes a monopoly and
starts providing stink odds?

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
From Mike? I mean, that's that's a that's a very
good point. Monopolies tend to not lead to great outcomes
for the customer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Could they do that though?
Could they offer odds that are way out of favor
to the rest of the bookies internationally? I just think,
I mean, look, if you know nine the legislation though
that you've got to be fair with the odds that
you provide.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
Well, because the size of the market here will restrict
restrict the risk that they can take to a certain extent.
But I guess you know, if they if they keep
if they can really really sting gods all the time,
then no one's going to take them, right, Yeah, exactly,
So you have you have to, you have to. It's
a little carrot that gets people in. But seeming like
to be a good option. You know you've got you've

(01:31:51):
got to get those odds right or the our snow
and bets.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
Yeah, good point, quick text here, gooday, guys. This would
be like buying lotto tickets overseas because the poll is bigger,
then no community money would ever go. Here's a fair point.
We can't buy lotto tickets in America because we're not Americans,
but I'd love to because you win a billion dollars
rather than twenty million here, you just can't because it's
closed off. You definitely win a billion dollars, It's true.

(01:32:16):
How are you mate?

Speaker 7 (01:32:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:32:19):
Good things?

Speaker 3 (01:32:19):
Now you want to carry on using bet three six five?
You love them? You're happy with them?

Speaker 4 (01:32:25):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:32:26):
One of the major advantages of the set through six five.
If I've got thirteen things from my accounts, so my
account and credits, and they're doing a live stream of
some idiotic football league third division in Italy, I can
watch the game through the live stream of it. So
it also opens up to your viewing avenues as well.
Ad Literally, the stream is not as good as Paint

(01:32:47):
the Sky or anything like that, but that's one of
the advantages.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
I see I didn't actually know that, So that becomes
your your channel for watching sport yep.

Speaker 16 (01:33:00):
And then well, I mean I've got Sky anyway because
my team finally made it into the Premier League. The
only betworth plating is to get red gated, by the
looks of it, but we won't go into that. But
I don't bet on my own team anyway, because it's
hard to bet the gamest own team, So I just
look farther on on the sports by money into football

(01:33:20):
and cricket, and I can't remember the last time I
placed a bet on cricket.

Speaker 3 (01:33:23):
Yeah, so so just run through how that works again.
You only have to have money in your account rather
than place a bit on the football. Means you get
to watch football via the bet three six five website,
or if you've just got money in your account, you
can watch everything, yep.

Speaker 16 (01:33:36):
You can watch anything. They're live streaming, so you just
poke the live button and it will come up with
a symbol like a play button, which means they're broadcasting
the video stream there. So there's no as a rud
I think there's audio unless it's in Spanish or Italians.
I don't need to care about that because I can't
understand it, but as a rule, I place bets on

(01:33:57):
particular games. And therefore I've watched more football, and I've
loved football the whole life. I've watched more football since
I've been gambling, and I've ever for my whole life.
Like I don't give a toss with me United are
playing the Book, because neither of those are my team.
The only games I want to watch is my team.
When I was up at two thirty this morning to

(01:34:18):
watch my team play, and I haven't missed a game
for about three years. And then and now I might,
like on a Sunday morning, I might watch my team
at three o'clock and stay awake and watch your Ventus
play someone in Italy and have a have a gamble,
and sometimes they have a we gamble and sometimes I

(01:34:40):
go a little bit larger and I enjoy it. But
like that earlier corner, I actually don't drink, don't smoke.
My wife and I occasionally go out for a meal
or the movie, and this is my entertainment fund, and
when it runs out, it runs out.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
Yeah, I mean that's I mean, that's the thing, you know.
And I'm kind of the same, like so with my gambling.
It's definitely not a problem. I just have a little
flatter to make things a little bit more interesting.

Speaker 16 (01:35:03):
Yeah, but with Winston, it's like, hold on every dollar
that I gamble. I've already paid my team on, so
it's now up to our elected officials to spend my
tax dollars. Widely, what I spend my untaxed dollar on
would be my choice, and I haven't got the mouth
or the patients to even contemplate doing VPNs or anything

(01:35:24):
like that. So more than likely I just stop campling,
because stopping gambling is not a mystery. I might have
like a lucky streak and then I'll lose every bet
in a row, and then I won't bet the former.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
Well, I'm just everyone saying a lot of people are
texting through a nine two nine two saying the tab
streams games as well, NBA and such. But definitely not
but not but not your obscure little situation. You're probably
following that game.

Speaker 16 (01:35:54):
Yeah, I might better on a game in the Costa
rica'sion like that. Well, I'm looking I'll scare a different
that I think is owned by five and it has
every professional football in the world. And what I'm looking
for is it seems way at the top of the
table was a really positive gold difference playing a team
at the bottom of the table who have conceded a

(01:36:16):
ship ton of goals. And then my favorite set, I'm
not even sure the aps do. Then I know they
to winning a half time winning at full time to
one of my favorite bets, and the other one is
to win both two goals or more three goals or more,
and that's what I bet on, and then sometimes I'll win.
I think I've had a couple of times I've won
eight piece in a row, and I've turned one hundred

(01:36:37):
dollars into more than a thousand, and I take it
all out except the original hundred, and then when that's gone,
I don't put any money in my account for another
week or two and grow again.

Speaker 3 (01:36:47):
You're the gambling renaissance man. You're probably the.

Speaker 16 (01:36:54):
I placed one day of what I consider a bird
bet at the time, one hundred dollars, and I went
home and told my goal today, and he goes, what
do you call a big bet? I went one hundred bucks,
goes You're confidence. It says you on confidence, why don't
you get more? Which is something no woman ever the
only I said, the only more money I've got what's

(01:37:17):
in the wedding account that was saving up forts as
you got your confidence, I mean, well, yeah, I'm confident
she will make the best there. So I plugged an
extra five hundred on it, and the very next morning
I withdrew some twenty nine hundred dollars and just put
it back in the wedding account. Wow, you don't look
it's not winning Eve unless you take it out.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
She's still she's still hitting you with her How confident
you are? Is it put the house on that type
of situation now.

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
Just to prove that you're.

Speaker 16 (01:37:47):
Yeah, she knows that I gamble, and she knows when
I When I left, we walked into a kitchen we're
shop one day and the first thing she said was
breaker la through the egg cup that was, you know,
boiled egg cup worth about twenty five dollars. And I
just said, and I will take it with her Finis,
And then I instantly placed a bet on I think

(01:38:07):
it was we had Wanderers to beat Manchester United and
they had already conceded a goal. But Manchester United that
had a player semed off in the first ten minutes.
I thought We've got eighty minutes to turn it around.
Thing to put a lazy one hundred dollars and it
paid out five hundred across the shop. I'm saying to
my wife, anything you want made, anything you want.

Speaker 3 (01:38:26):
Yeah, you gotta be careful. Next thing. You know, you're
going to be opening up accounts in the Canary Island.
Sander of it. I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
So we were talking before about New Zealand prior to
nineteen eighty four. Hey guys, Yes, in the sixties, New
Zealand was a paradise. We all drank copious amounts of
cheap beer, drove around in secondhand bikes, and had at
least one good pair of.

Speaker 3 (01:38:45):
Shoes and trousers and a shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
A work shirt costs you a week's wages, and you
couldn't buy a twenty five year old car without overseas funds.
TAB shouldn't have exclusivity, but we should ensure a level
playing field and all participants are contributing equally to the
New Zealand economy through taxes and community contributions.

Speaker 3 (01:39:02):
Kindness regards Dave good techs. Yeah, yeah, but I mean,
can you do that?

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
Could you strike a deal with bit three six five
that some of their money was going towards our racing
and our basketball and our football and our rugby. I
don't know, it might be hard to negotiate. We're certainly
having trouble negotiating with Facebook and Google.

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
Yeah, yeah, oh had one hundred and eighty. Teen eighty
is the number to call. It is eighteen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:39:26):
The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends
and everything in between. That Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons
you for twenty twenty four used talk said.

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
B sixteen to four. We're talking about the TAB. Yeah,
that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:39:40):
So Winston Peters wants to give a basically a monopoly
the TAB, not just for online gambling as well in
New Zealand. This legislation will enhance the long term sustainability
of New Zealand's racing industry by making TAB new Zealand's
soul provider for sports and race bidding, both.

Speaker 3 (01:39:56):
Online, on land and online.

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
Growing to competition from offshore online bidding operators posed as
a significant threat to the TAB, New Zealand models is
Winston Peters. There's a piece of this puzzle that we're
not focusing on, and we will get to the bottom
of it as the end Tane because the strategic partnership
with ta B New Zealand of course started well in
June twenty three. So if the argument is that the

(01:40:21):
money is going off sure with three s bet three
six five in these internet based offshore betting agencies, then
it'd be interesting to know how much money is going
off shore with the strategic partnership with Intane.

Speaker 3 (01:40:36):
Yeah, we're trying to get ahold of Luke Kirkner is
one of our sports writers here at the New Zealand
Herald who did a very good piece about the Intane
deal earlier this year, So hopefully we get a hold
of them in the meantime. Brett, you don't like this
idea of tab becoming a monopoly.

Speaker 7 (01:40:52):
No.

Speaker 9 (01:40:52):
I use bet three six five just because I find
that easier, there's more options and normally are fund the
odds better, And if I'm completely on some gambling, I
don't really think about where the money goes. You know,
it's hardly the most wholesome activity. If you're looking to

(01:41:14):
do that, you know you have more than welcome to
donate or against the charity or something like that. I
just think, you know, it's gambling. I'm just I just
find to get three six five better, And I just
don't think we should be told who we can gamble with.

Speaker 2 (01:41:28):
So Brett, are you saying that in your heart you
feel a little bit dirty when you're gambling?

Speaker 7 (01:41:34):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:41:34):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 9 (01:41:36):
Gambling isn't you know? It's not yeah, the most wholesome activity.
So I'm if I'm completely honest, I just don't even
think where the money goes. I'm gambling. If I put
fifty dollars down to win five hundred, you know, I'd
rather win that five hundred dollars from three six.

Speaker 2 (01:41:58):
So if you knew, if you knew that, so Brett,
if you knew the money was going back into New Zealand, sports,
New Zealand, racing, New Zealand, what have you been on?

Speaker 3 (01:42:05):
What are you primarily bet on? Brett?

Speaker 7 (01:42:08):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (01:42:09):
In all honesty, probably golf?

Speaker 2 (01:42:11):
Okay, So if you if you knew, that's an interesting one. Like,
if you knew that the money was going back towards
New Zealand golf, would that that that doesn't quite work
for me. But but if you knew the money was
going back to so you were betting on basketball and
you knew that the money you were spitting on NBA
that a certain percentage of it went back into New
Zealand basketball. Would that that wouldn't make you feel less

(01:42:33):
dirty about your bidding?

Speaker 9 (01:42:35):
Not really. I mean, look in an ideal world, a
perfect world probably, but yeah, honesty, Yeah, I'm just saying
I look at the better. I don't really care whether
money's coming from, you know, and other aspects of my life,
I sort of you know, I you know, I say

(01:42:56):
I'm buying certain food products or something like that. I
might say, oh, look, I'd rather play in New Zealand
made or whatever, but not with gambling.

Speaker 3 (01:43:05):
Well, you can't be good all the time. That's the
thing you've got to There's some parts of your life
have to be down and dirty. That's that's to be
the full human. Yeah. And I don't know why, but
I feel dirty or betting on horses than I do
like the Warriors. You know, I feel quite a proud
when I bet on the Warriors to win. But then
when I'm down at the at the pub and the
TB Kioska is there and I'm fluttering away at horses,
I've got no idea about. Part of me feels a

(01:43:26):
little bit dirty. I feel good beating on the dish lickers.
I was out the other night beating on the dish
lickers and they felt good. They didn't feel dirty at all. Brett.
Thank you very much, mate, No problemly all right, have
a good afternoon, Jim. How do you feel about this
legislation Winston Peters wants to put through.

Speaker 19 (01:43:45):
I don't like I like it, mate. They'll end up
having them monopoly, That's what's going to happen. I can
see them all away. Like they have a thing called
Punter's Promised where you can put a bet on and
went up to two thousand. You can profit up to
two thousand dollars. And that was one of the deals
that the old Tob used to have with punters. And

(01:44:06):
they said, what the new Tob that they're going to
keep that At the moment, they've kept it, but they've
wiped like if there's a late scratching or something, they
deduct a percentage of the DOV. They've already brought that
and they've only been in a few months.

Speaker 3 (01:44:25):
Right, So tab having a monopoly, you think that will
become considerably worse. Yes, yep, yeah, So you've got you've
got you've got the strategic partnership with the TAB New
Zealand and Enchain and then they shut down the other
overseas options that there is just a little bit of

(01:44:45):
a twinge in me even though I'm for this, which
which does look a little bit like you've let someone
in and you're shutting everyone else out.

Speaker 4 (01:44:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:44:54):
Yeah, it's like, for instance, I know people who bet
on darts and stuff like that, and they're restricted to
making one hundred dollars a bet.

Speaker 3 (01:45:01):
Really, yeah, and that's through the tap. That's the next
they can make them bet on the darts.

Speaker 19 (01:45:08):
Yeah, they can't. They can't beat that much. They can
only profit one hundred dollars off.

Speaker 16 (01:45:14):
All right, Oh really it's bullshit.

Speaker 19 (01:45:19):
I've been betting onmal life man right into it. There's
a lot of things they're restricting people of.

Speaker 3 (01:45:24):
And why the darts in particular, gym? Why are they
having those rules just for the darts?

Speaker 19 (01:45:29):
Probably because I've won.

Speaker 3 (01:45:31):
Oh it's just for you, you mean, not for me.
If I wanted to profit a bit more.

Speaker 2 (01:45:36):
The TAB might argue that's under responsible gambling because that,
you know, they're big on their self exclusion programs, problem
gambling awareness workshops, for drug addicts, staff intervention policies, tools
such as maximum bet and lost limits for account holders.
So the t a B might look at that, or
you know, the TB whatever they want to do. But
the government might look at that and go, well, that's

(01:45:57):
limiting mitigating harm. But but you know, if you if
you're into it and you've got the bet three six
five option and they're not mitigating harm in that way,
it's obviously tempting to go else.

Speaker 6 (01:46:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:46:09):
Yeah, there's no problem. There's no They have no problem
with you're when you're losing. It's only if you're wanting
Welcome to.

Speaker 3 (01:46:17):
Welcome to the world of gambling, Jim, Thank you very much. Mate.
Oh one hundred and eighty teen eighty is the number
to call. It's nine to four.

Speaker 1 (01:46:25):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. That Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons you
for twenty twenty four You's talks, they'd be be.

Speaker 3 (01:46:36):
It is six to four, Frank, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 9 (01:46:40):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:46:40):
Pretty good? Thanks?

Speaker 3 (01:46:41):
Now you want to follow on from what the last
caller was saying that you don't like that they lemit
how much you can win off a particular.

Speaker 4 (01:46:47):
Bit, Well, just it goes throughther than that's actually you know,
if you're a professional punter and you actually.

Speaker 3 (01:47:00):
Make a lot of money, are you a professional punter?

Speaker 4 (01:47:04):
Frank No, No, But I've been no corporation journal to
my entire life over forty years. I've got a few clues.

Speaker 3 (01:47:11):
Oh yeah, cool.

Speaker 4 (01:47:13):
Now, if you've actually win too much on a regular basis,
the TB will actually shut your cat down. I'm going
to say, you have to ask first to ask the
question why are people going off seas overseas to bits
rather than betting with the TB. It's because of their

(01:47:35):
own practices, right. As an example, if you're the TB
and I came to you and said, I want to
put a thousand dollars taking on this horse which is
offering fixed dogs of twenty one, it's why I stand
to look two thousand, right, they won't take that bet,

(01:47:56):
go say okay, we'll give you two hundred twenty one.
Then they'll drop the odds on the horse and they'll
say I will give you another two hundred at ten
to one, and keep going on that des sentence scale.
And that's what has actually driven most hunters of sure Gee,

(01:48:21):
they can get the bets they want.

Speaker 3 (01:48:22):
Do you think they're ever going to change that? Frank,
if they are losing punters and this legislation doesn't come
in and we've only got thirty seconds, will they change
their ways?

Speaker 4 (01:48:30):
Well, they have to, they need to if they want
to have a monopoly, they've got to act like a
proper book maker. You have to remember, you know, up
until ten fifteen years ago, the TB was only a tote.

Speaker 3 (01:48:45):
Yeah, so well we've run out of time.

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
Thank you so much for your call though and your
knowledge in the area. Didn't get to the bottom of
how much Intain is taking out of the t a
B in New Zealand, but maybe we'll be able to
tell you that tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:49:05):
Catch you then, Matt.

Speaker 1 (01:49:09):
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