Full Show Podcast: 09 July 2025

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Speaker 3 (00:52):
Very very good afternoon to you. Welcome into Wednesday show.
Great to have your company as always. Hope you're doing
well wherever you're listening in the country. Very excited about
this out, Matt. This is going to be very very interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, that's right. You'll have heard about it. The Giant
Moa deck distinction plans. Sir Peter Jackson has teamed up
with Colossal Biosciences. They're the people that fiddled around and
with a gray wolf and ended up with a dire wolf. Yes,
that made international headlines. So they are concentrating on the
more New Zealand's beautiful, big extinct.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
More so they want to bring it back to life
in less than eight years. That's a hell of a
project and there's a lot of backing behind it, obviously
you said, Sir Peter Jackson, but also involved as Cannbury
Museum Colossal Biosciences, as you just mentioned Dan Nightahu, they
plan to extract the DNA from preserved moa remains to
create a recreate the towering flightless bird. This is the

(01:47):
South Island giant Moa stood at three point six meters tall.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Big boy. Yeah, that's right, and we're going to talk.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
To very shortly. We are going to have a chat too.
This is a hell of a title, but they're doing
they're doing amazing things. That's why I pointed to you
to say it. Doctor Andrew pask He is the head
of Thilasne Integrated Genomic rest Ration Research Laboratory with Colossal.
He is going to join us live from Australia, so

(02:14):
very looking forward to this interview. But we also want
to hear your thoughts on Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. How do you feel about the Giant Moore
being brought back? The re extinction so to speak? Is
that the extinction the extinction.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
It might end up in a re extinction, de extinction
followed by a re extinction. I'm very excited about it,
but there's already been people that have been Chloe Schwarbrock
has put up at hand and said let's not do this,
Let's save the Cody Snail or something first. I'm not
sure who she was champion, but it seems like an
exciting thing to do, right. It seems like a tour

(02:51):
is an opportunity. I love the idea of it. Well,
Giant Moore wrote the streets stealing babies from prams. I
don't know, maybe, but it would be pretty cool if
they can pull it off exactly right.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
But coming up next we will talk to doctor Andrew
Pask who was heavily involved in this project. It is
nine past one.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks, they'd.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Be very good afternoon. So exciting a new project backed
by Sir Peter Jackson, working alongside US biotech firm Colossal,
also Canterbury Museum and Nitohu. They are planning to bring
back the South Island Giant mhor It's incredibly exciting and
we are delighted to be joined by the head of
Philacne Integrated Genomic Restoration Research Lab, Professor Andrew Paskho's on

(03:49):
the line now, professor, Very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Now, how just off the bat, How fun is your job?
It must be awesome to be involved in such exciting
projects like that.

Speaker 6 (04:02):
Truly, you know, like these are the coolest projects you
could ever do.

Speaker 5 (04:06):
But then the impacts that they have for conservation and.

Speaker 6 (04:09):
Restoring lost species to our planet and biodiversity, it just
you couldn't do anything better.

Speaker 5 (04:15):
And more meaningful.

Speaker 6 (04:16):
I think I may be a little biased, but I
do think it's pretty amazing.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Why the more over all the other species you could
bring back. Is this the greats to Peter Jackson influencing
you on this one.

Speaker 5 (04:28):
I mean it is. I mean it's truly an iconic
bird of New Zealand, of course.

Speaker 6 (04:32):
But you know, again, it's one of these species that
we've lost due to humans coming into an environment. But
these species that were so critically important in maintaining ecosystems
which they came from. So you know, moas were vegetarians,
but they were great disperses of seed. There's whole species
of trees and bushes that don't thrive anymore because we've

(04:52):
lost the moa. There's some really good reasons, you know
why bringing the moa back could help fix a lot
of the environmental issues that are happening, as well as
learning much much more about bird genetics and how to
say so many of the other endangered species in New
Zealand as well. That it facing a similar fate to them,
that they're going to go extinct within a certain number

(05:13):
of years.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Well, when you say that it will help the ecosystem,
I guess does that mean eventually the plan would be
to have enough of them to let them out into
the wild.

Speaker 6 (05:23):
Well, initially they're going to be in very large natural
parts of the landscape that they would roam, but if
they were to be able to cause really great habitat restoration, absolutely,
and that's certainly what we're trying to do with the
thylacine project as well.

Speaker 5 (05:37):
The end goal of bringing back the Tasmanian.

Speaker 6 (05:39):
Tiger is that you can put that animal back into
the environment where it played such an important role and
that helps with all the conservation of the other plant
and animal species within that ecosystem.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Now bring it back to New Zealand. How close are
you to producing the living moire? Where will the work
be done and what are the key scientific hurdles that
are still ahead of you.

Speaker 6 (06:02):
Yeah, I think there's a lot of work to be
done obviously still and it will be done through New Zealand.
We're doing some work here in Melbourne in Australia, and
then obviously a lot of it in Colossal Biosciences in Dallas.
But really, you know, understanding much more about bird genomics
is the first key. We're still trying to figure out
how we can do good gene editing in birds and

(06:22):
make birds that you know, we can manipulate their DNA
that has lots of really important outcomes for bird conservation,
So we need to develop that technology.

Speaker 5 (06:33):
But then we've got some fairly decent DNA.

Speaker 6 (06:36):
It looks like from some of the MOA bone specimens,
really sequencing the entire MOA genome is the first job,
but you can learn incredible information about that bird species
just by looking at its DNA as well. So there'd
be lots of really exciting breakthroughs that happen along.

Speaker 5 (06:52):
The way where we learn more and more about how.

Speaker 6 (06:55):
Incredible these species were working all the way through to
being able to bring these species back.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
So, professor, is it a similar situation You mentioned the
Tasmanian tiger and obviously colossal made headlines around the world
with the dial wolf. Is that the same process or effectively,
because it's a bird species, you have to start from
from the start.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
Yeah, well we do.

Speaker 6 (07:16):
Have to start from the start, but it is the
same process. So the way we do it is, once
we have the full MOA genome, we to identify what
its closest living relative is. At the moment, the closest
living relative looks to be like a chicken sized bird
called a tinamou, and they're mostly found in South America.
And Central America little tinamou's, but they're the ones that

(07:39):
you would then use as your host, if you like,
for doing this project. So we still can't, you know,
create life where there is none. So you have to
start with the cells from the closest living relative.

Speaker 5 (07:50):
You compare their.

Speaker 6 (07:51):
DNA code and you figure out everywhere that they're different,
and then you edit those changes into that animal. So
you would edit the tinamu cells to contain all of
the differences that a moa had, and then at the
end of that you've essentially got.

Speaker 5 (08:04):
A moa cell.

Speaker 6 (08:05):
And then we're working through the process of turning those
cells back into a whole living bird. And there's been
a lot of, you know, real advances made on that
front already At Colossal Biosciences, they announced the Dodo project
a while ago now, and so as part of that
Dodo one, they've done a huge amount of work from
figuring out how to get birds to go undergo genetic engineering,

(08:26):
how to produce these genetically engineered birds, and then actually
get them into an egg to then actually form a
viable animal at the.

Speaker 5 (08:33):
End of it as well. So it's really good.

Speaker 6 (08:35):
Being able to jump onto the progress that's already been
made on the MAWA Progress of Project. And yeah, like
I said, also, all the conservation outcomes that we can
do for endangered bird species with that technology right now
is really fantastic as well.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
So you're starting with potentially starting with the small bird,
but you're going for the big more, right, You're going
for the biggest one. You can the biggest species, the
giants South Island three point eight meter high more. Yeah, yeah,
I meant right, yeah, that's right on that.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
I mean there was a turkey size moa.

Speaker 6 (09:09):
Yeah right, But I don't feel like that will capture
people's imaginations quite the same.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
What do you sit on this controversy around the moa,
Because you know, when they first found the bones, they
put it with an upright head. Didn't they to try
and get it as tall tall as possible? But it's
more likely that the head would sit like an emu's
head with that sort of curve here.

Speaker 6 (09:33):
This is funny, right, This is the most controversially debated
aspect of when we talk about moa biology in our.

Speaker 5 (09:40):
Group in Genely, that we talk about all the time.

Speaker 6 (09:43):
And you know, people are either avid they held their
heads up right or they probably had to be in
front of them.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
But I just say, way till we extinct it and
let's see what it does.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Well, that'll be really that question will be answered. That's
great to know exactly.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Yeah, as a layman a professor, eight years, that seems
like an incredibly short amount of time. Has that been
optimistic or is that actually doable?

Speaker 7 (10:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (10:07):
Well, the think you know, we're looking at a similar
timeframe for the Taskmane Tiger project. I think because there's
already been a lot of development of technologies with the
other DODO.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
Extinction projects, we've actually.

Speaker 6 (10:19):
We're quite a way along that pathway of figuring out
what it is we need to do and how we
need to do it. You know, in these projects ten
years ago were unthinkable. The technology has come so far
in the last ten years that today the extinction is,
you know, a thing that will happen.

Speaker 5 (10:33):
It's just a matter of exactly what those timeframes are.

Speaker 6 (10:36):
But it's you know, even more feasible that we have
big technological advancements in the next five or so years
that make that process even quicker. So I do think
eight years is a very reasonable time frame for us
to have engineered our MOO cells, and.

Speaker 5 (10:50):
So yeah, watch this space. Hopefully we have a MOA
coming to a place near you very soon.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Now, what do you say to people who say that
what you're doing is not de extinctifying the MOA but
creating a sort of a MOA proxy.

Speaker 6 (11:06):
Yeah, so I think there are deaf different ways of
going about the extinction, But these sorts of projects of
the Tasmanian tiger for the MOA, we're actually looking at
making every single difference in that animal's gename, so really
re engineering that animal back into existence, and at that
point really is no longer a proxy for that species,
It really is that species. Like with the Tasmanian tiger,

(11:29):
for example, the animal that we end up creating will
be as similar as any Tasmanian tiger was to any
other Tasmanian tiger.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
In that population, there'll be.

Speaker 6 (11:37):
Ninety nine point nine nine percent identical, which is about
the same as you and I would have through our
DNA for example. So at that point, you know you
have really recreated that species.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
So they could be breeding. You can, you could make
a breeding population of more.

Speaker 6 (11:54):
That would absolutely be the what we would be trying
to do here, because yeah, it's very expensive to do this,
as you can imagine, takes.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
A very long time.

Speaker 5 (12:02):
So if they can't breed, we're in real time. We
certainly can't do it every time we need one.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Yeah, now, Professa, there's been a few people in New Zealand,
academics and whatnot who have come out this morning on
this news and fear to say me and Mett do
not agree with what they've said. But how do you
respond to those critics who argue de extinction diverts resources
from saving engaged species that are still around today.

Speaker 6 (12:27):
I think now we've done enough work in this field
to show that that just is not correct at all.
Like we've brought more money to conservation biology than has
ever been in this arena before. And the thing I
love about it the most is this money hasn't come
from any of those conservation foundations.

Speaker 5 (12:41):
They're still doing their work.

Speaker 6 (12:43):
And we still need them to because you know, we
can recreate species. I can bring back a Tasmanian tiger,
but if the habitat's gone, if there isn't that classic
conservation work still happening, there's still.

Speaker 5 (12:55):
Nowhere to put that animal. So we need everybody working together.

Speaker 6 (12:58):
This has done wonders for conservation and really increases the
way that we can address conservation from a genetic spectrums,
like and that's something we absol just have to embrace.
Today We've changed the world around our animals so quickly
that now we need to do this genetic intervention to
bring back species that have been lost, but also for

(13:19):
ones that are still here to help them face climate
change or invasive pests species. This is the only way
that we can save species now is by doing some.

Speaker 5 (13:28):
Of this work.

Speaker 6 (13:29):
So it's a completely different pot of money and it's
brought more, you know, good to conservations than we could
ever have done without it.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Speaking of pots of money, Sir Peter Jackson a great
New Zealander and a fantastic nerd. Are you expecting her
to be pisting around the lab looking over your shoulder
and asking questions?

Speaker 6 (13:49):
I have had the absolute extreme pleasure of being able
to spend hours and hours with Peter through this project,
and he is he just loves the science, honestly, Like
it's incredible to be able to talk to him about,
you know, what our DNA editing strategy is or whatever,
and he just he just sits there and listens and
asks the most incredible questions about it. He's just such

(14:11):
an intelligent human and really passionate conservationist.

Speaker 5 (14:16):
Really cares about New Zealand birds in particular.

Speaker 6 (14:18):
And you know, he's such a great person to have
involved in the project.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
I have all the time in the world for Peter.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Now, in the world of movies, remaining in the world
of movies, the question that has to be asked with
a Jurassic Park currently topping the box office, yeah, will
we ever get the dinosaurs back?

Speaker 6 (14:39):
Look, I'm a huge Jurassic Park fan. In fact, my
office at work is full of Jurassic Park paraphernalia.

Speaker 5 (14:46):
But the spoiler is there's no.

Speaker 6 (14:48):
DNA left in any of the dinosaur specimens. DNA only
lasts a few million years, so sixty.

Speaker 5 (14:54):
Million years back, it just isn't there. So I hate to.

Speaker 6 (14:58):
Burst people's bubble on this because you know, we all
we all love dinosaurs, but it's just not feasible.

Speaker 5 (15:05):
Unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Well, as a fan of Jurassic Park, you will have
asked yourself the doctor Ian Malcolm question, checking that you're
not preoccupied with whether you could, and have asked the
question whether you should.

Speaker 5 (15:18):
Yeah, So I get that one all the time.

Speaker 6 (15:19):
But I always go. You know, as scientists, all we
ever ask is the whether you should like the weather?

Speaker 8 (15:24):
You could?

Speaker 5 (15:24):
We passed that ages ago.

Speaker 6 (15:26):
I'm like, this should is what we you know, really
pain over all the time. And I think this is
a really good.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
Conversation around the extinction technology.

Speaker 6 (15:35):
I think we should definitely do it, but we need
to set limits around how far back we want to
bring species back, when and where we want to use
this technology. And I think there are clear conservation reasons
for using this. The MOA is a really great example
of that. But there the other species where we go
Actually we don't want to do.

Speaker 5 (15:53):
That for those ones.

Speaker 6 (15:54):
So I welcome those conversations around the thoughtful use of
this technology to really better our planet.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Professor, you have been fantastic to check too. We can
hear the enthusiasm and excitement and your voice. You've excited
most of New Zealand got to say with this project.
So thanks very much.

Speaker 5 (16:10):
For verriciate with us pleasure.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
That is head of Bilascene Integrated Genomic Restoration Research Lab,
Professor Andrew Pask. How great was he the enthusiasm, But
we want to hear from you on this, So one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
I love this text. We will have mowers walking the
earth again before we get a second crossing of the
Auckland Harbor. Yeah, very true. Twenty five past one.

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Steve Simon as the chair of Ministerial Advisory Group for
Organized Crime.

Speaker 10 (16:51):
The first point is to treat the community as part
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Speaker 11 (16:58):
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Speaker 1 (17:14):
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Speaker 3 (17:22):
Twenty seven past one. We're talking about the project to
bring back the South Island Giant Mayre.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, and look I'll tell you what. There has been
varied response in the text machine. Some people think it's
the end of the world being heralded by this name.
Some people think it's the greatest thing that's ever happens. Now,
if you missed that interview we just had with Professor
Andrew Pask, head of the Silos Scene Integrated Genomic Restoration

(17:46):
Research LIB Laboratory that's working with Sir Peter Jackson and
Colossal Biosciences to do this project, then that full interview
will be out on our podcast wherever you find your podcast,
The Matt and Tyler Afternoons on zb yep.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
Well with a listen. He was fantastic. You Kim, what's
your thoughts about bringing them more back?

Speaker 12 (18:06):
Damn that's in existence and leving monchs once again. I
had a little while ago there saying that it may
over poperate where we raise it or where will we
bring it up? And well, you know, you know how
the first place they went out of regression to the
best place, so there's be no problem to keep them

(18:28):
out of control.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah and yeah, absolutely, And they were vegetarians, so I
don't know how great interest it'll be interested to find
how to aggressive. They are be a bit, you know,
just a couple of the couple of About a week ago,
I was up in the Silver Peaks up in the
mountains side above Dunedin. Imagine coming around the corner and
running into a giant more. Yeah, yeah, that would be terrifying.

Speaker 12 (18:55):
Yeah, they would handle themselves, all right. I'd like I said,
what a great what a great buck.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Yeah, thank you so much for your call, and you
con I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
We are taking your calls on this. In your thoughts
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is it the right
move to bring back or try and bring back the MOA?
Love to hear your thoughts. If you're against it, by
all means, give us a call. Why are you scared
about the more coming back? Love to hear from you.
Nine to nine till it is the text number head Sorry,
there you go. I was just going to say a

(19:24):
zinger Moherburger sounds pretty tasty. Twelve one point.

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Speaker 3 (20:44):
Thank you very much, Wendy, and we are talking about
a new project backed by Sir Peter Jackson that aims
to bring back the extinct South Island Giant Moa. He
has joined forces with US biotech firm Colossal Biosciences, who
are doing amazing things. Cannbury Museum and Knight Tahoo are
involved as well. But'd love to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
It's interesting because my natural reaction is awesome. Of course
you'd want to see a more in any way, you can, absolutely,
But I would say that the text machine on nine two,
niney two and the calls on eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Are very mixed, deided.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Some people are just totally into it, and maybe that's
because a lot of people watch Jurassic Park back in
the day. I mean, there's a new Jurassic Park movie
that's out in the cinemas right now. It's the biggest
movie in the world currently if one's probably bigger, but
you know, it's a big movie at the moment. And
you know, the original Jurassic Park one of the greatest
movies ever made. Steven Spielbourg Casque classic and you had

(21:41):
Doctor Ian Malcolm played by Jeff Goldblum making this point,
and maybe this point still resonates.

Speaker 14 (21:46):
You know, you read what others had done, and you
talk the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves,
so you don't take any responsibility for it. You stood
on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast
as you could, and before you even knew you had
you patented it and packaged it and slapped it on
a plastic lunch box.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
And now selling them, you're selling well.

Speaker 11 (22:10):
I don't think you're giving us our due credit.

Speaker 5 (22:13):
I scientist have done things which nobody's.

Speaker 15 (22:15):
Ever done before.

Speaker 14 (22:16):
Yeah, yeah, but you're scientists were so preoccupied with whether
or not they could they just don't to think they should.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Have a line.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
But I'll tell you what I mean, Doctor Ian Malcolm,
very intelligent character, but he went to Jurassic Park to
see them, so even the critics they were turning up.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yeah, all right, there you get your scientist. Have these
scientists been so preoccupied with whether or not they could
that they haven't stopped to think if they should? Nathan,
welcome to the show. Your thoughts on bringing back them more?

Speaker 16 (22:46):
Hey guys, you Tyler kind of said it before, but
I can't be the only one to think of I
wonder what they taste like. I mean, they were hundred
to extinction. They managed to see the moli of well
only a couple of hundred years ago and older, so
it must have been quite tasty. You imagine, you can
imagine Maha breweries and in Marlborough there maybe getting on

(23:10):
board and they could genuinely have burgers and beers Mawa
and Moa.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, yeah, well, I mean why wouldn't you? I mean
there would be an argument the best way for you
to preserve a species is to make it useful, and
if you wanted to keep more around forever, then eat them,
because then we farm them. I mean, look how many
sheep and cattle we have in this country. If you know,
we wouldn't we spend a lot of time keeping sheep
and cattle going because we can eat them.

Speaker 16 (23:38):
The only thing I'm worried about though, is, of course
they had to be hunted with spears and other weapons.
I mean, how violent were they? Are they going to
turn into velociraptors? And you know that's you're walking on
a mountain trail and you come face to face with
a giant moer. I mean, yeah, he'll throw some bird
seed out and run away.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Well, what about the castle warrah? I mean what if
they're cassewary? I mean that that is a pretty violent bird.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
It takes out a lot of humans.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, I mean how many people? How many people have
been killed by casa warriors?

Speaker 3 (24:07):
I think it's right up there. I think the kesswarre
kills more people than lions.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Cassill warres are generally considered dangerous due to their powerful
kicks and sharp claws. We'll do more have powerful cacks
and sharp claws. Only two human deaths caused by Cassa
warres have been recorded since nineteen hundred, one in Australia
and one in Florida, but one in Florida in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
It's always Florida.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
And the more it is bigger than that. Would you
eat one, Nathan?

Speaker 17 (24:32):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (24:33):
Yeah, he killed lineup. There's a whole overnight industry going on.
There's pelts, there's the feathers. There's you know, mini zoos.
Mind you that leads into what you had on yesterday?
Do you bring them back just to put them in
a zoo? Do you actually farm like Ostrich.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, and there's that going to be our new Christmas.
You know, forget a turkey you got, you got a
Christmas roast that takes up the entire table, another slice.

Speaker 16 (24:57):
Of entire street.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Nathan, thank you so much for your call, Nathan Plenty.
A great text coming through on nine to nine two,
This one from Jeff and he says what a lot
of people are saying on text. There's a reason why
they are gone, and they need to stay gone. This
is humans, plain is God. It's scary.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Well, the reason why they're gone is because there wasn't
a lot of protein to eat. And New Zealand was
the last place in the world to be inhabited by
humans and it didn't have any predators. And you know,
so you had these giant birds that you could eat,
and the Polynesians arriving here they needed something to.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Eat, exactly a lot of meat on the giants. MOA,
we still need something to eat, yep. One hundred eighty
ten eighty. What's your thoughts about this project to bring
back the giants South Island more?

Speaker 2 (25:45):
He says, we want the Harst Eagle boys, the Haast
Eagle bring it back.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
A lot of people are saying that it's slightly more terrifying.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
I'll tell you all about the hast Eagle next two.
I'm not sure about that one.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
A fresh take on Talkback. It's Mad Heathen Taylor Adams. Afternoons.
Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talks.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
They'd be very good.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
Afternoon, and we're talking about project to bring back the
extinct more So. Peter Jackson has put a lot of
money into it. He is working alongside US biotech firm
Colossal Biosciences, along with Canterbury Museum in Nitai, who they
expect to if they are successful, to bring it back
to life in less than eight years.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah. And the question is once you bring them More
back to you have to bring back the hast Eagle
to hunt the more to keep, to keep the more
populations out. So a lot of people have been texting
about the hast Eagle because I said the More as
the coolest bird that's ever lived in New Zealand. ATTENTI
the world and a lot of people saying the hearts
More which hunted the hast Eagle, which hunted the More
was cooler. So three meter wingspan last More, it was

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extinct in about fifteen one hundred and fifteen fifty, so
about fifty years after a humans arrived, because it ate
the more. Right, So this is a bird that preyed
on a two hundred kg more the biggest moer about
one point three meter length, body weighed about twenty kgs.

(27:05):
It's talons or as large as a modern tiger's claw.
So you're talking about an eight centimeter long talon strong
enough to kill prey over fifteen times its body weight,
attack speed ninety kilometers per hour. That's a that's a
killing machine. I mean the closes. The closest living relative
is the Australian little eagle, So you know you could
maybe use them as in the same way as they

(27:27):
use they use the gray wolf as the base for
the for implanting the dire wolf embryos.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Yep, there you go. Would you bring back the hast eagle?
I mean that might be a step too far. I
can see the Harst eagle taking a few people on
their daily walk Osco.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 9 (27:44):
Who's that Taylor?

Speaker 17 (27:46):
No, Matt, Yes, Matt, I have a question for the
people attempting to do this major project. Yes, we'll just
answer the question whether the eggs came first or the
chicken cave first.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Well, philosophical, well in this case, yeah, boy, that in
this case, they're kind of creating the chicken first and
then putting it in an eg, aren't they. So they might.

Speaker 5 (28:22):
That good.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
That's that's one of those questions that are raises your
mind when you try and think about it, because you
just start spinning in a circle. You asked that to
Professor Andrew Pask. Yeah, you should have gone back. Yeah,
so you guys are you guys are egging before the
chicken on this one? Thank you very much. Joshko Craig,
you're again it.

Speaker 18 (28:45):
Yeah, I don't like it, man. The science is amazing, man,
But what when they start sort of bringing it into
humans and you get nutty leaders in the world and
that that want to want to create the perfect race
or something like that, Why doink will go downhill?

Speaker 7 (29:03):
You know that?

Speaker 18 (29:05):
I think it's dangerous technology.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yes, so people make super soldiers that have the talons
of the hearst eagle, that kind of thing.

Speaker 18 (29:16):
No, I just think, you know, well, someone like Donald
Trump or George Stores creating a whole lot of that sounds.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
You know, well, well, we can. We can already clone.
So this is slightly different than cloning. I mean, Barbus
Dreisen's already cloned all her cats, hasn't she, So so
we can clone already.

Speaker 18 (29:40):
I just think where does this technology?

Speaker 2 (29:43):
So just a quick question on your point, Craig, So,
how would you feel if they brought back you know,
old versions of humans, you know, like the Neanderthals.

Speaker 18 (29:53):
No, no, they're not around for a reason. And that's
the type of thing that I mean, you know, yeah,
bring back whole civilization.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
That that would be That would be a real moral question,
wouldn't it, Craig if we started bringing back I don't know,
Homer Rectus or or in any number of the the
the you know, iterations of humans that led.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Up to us, or even specific people Winston Churchill, Abe
Lincoln bring Aback. He was pretty good back in the day,
wasn't he.

Speaker 18 (30:20):
The people at the forefront of the technology. Now that
could not be in their heads. But who takes this
science over the future?

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Where I think, yeah, well, there's definitely been occasions when
we haven't that's that's for sure. Yeah, But the question
is can you stop science exactly?

Speaker 3 (30:43):
I imagine there are there are many countries who are fast
advancing in this technology and are keeping it under wraps
for whatever reason. I would prefer Andrew pask to be
leading the way he said he was enthusiastic, his heart
was in the right place, and his morals was in
the right place. I'd prefer these guys to be leading
the charge rather than keeping it under wraps in some

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sort of you know, underground lab.

Speaker 8 (31:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
And Sir Peter Jackson, he's a good man. Yeah, yeah,
And he's on board with this, this whole situation. But yeah,
I mean it would be I don't think I would
like it if they decided they were going to bring
back in the end of towe because you bring back
a conscious being. You know, humans experience the world in
a very different way than animals. So how would you
bring up in the end of Towel.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Because it's an ethics question, right, and I think that's
going too far on the ethical side.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
I mean, I mean, it would be pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Does the more I want to come back?

Speaker 2 (31:34):
I imagine it does. We can't ask it. Unfortunately. Well, well,
the thing is, Tyler, you you're getting confused here. You
couldn't bring back Winston Churchill. You could get his DNA
and bring back a A and the same thing as
Winston Churchill's child, isn't Winston Churchill? Yeah, he had a
lot of pressure on that clone.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
Winston Churchill.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Baby.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
Right, We're going to take a quick break. It is
thirteen to two, but back with more of your calls shortly.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty. It's mad Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
News DOGSB, News Dogs B.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
It is two.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Listen to the sticks here. What a boring subject you
guys are talking about? About? If you are bored by
the return of the more, if you were bored by it,
if that doesn't excite anything in you in terms of
the wider philosophical ramifications, then I don't know what I
can do for you.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Yeah, are you not entertained by the idea of bringing
back a giant moa?

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Why you're bored by that? That? I mean you must
be the most meat and two veg gruel of a
human being to be bored.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
You wait texture until around then you won't be bored.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Oh God, I hope I never spend any time in
the company of that person. That's bored by the thought
of bringing back more. Both. I'm sure there's a lot
of people around that person that feel the same way exactly, Mark,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 19 (33:03):
Yeah, back of the seventies might have been before your time.
Paddy Freedy had barely hotel yep and as fast and
he was farming them up there. I've been there and
seen them.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
I've heard this. I've heard the stories. Marke, carry on though.

Speaker 19 (33:19):
You've heard the story. Ye well, I was there one
night with them and we locked out the window and
there was one going rounded circle till that must have
been a rotary bower, and then one went running down
the road really fast, and I think that was a
motor bower.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
A very good Mark. Yeah, yeah, good stuff. Well, I
like this person. If we do bring back the More,
you have to call it Anika, So the first one
needs to be called anka More. That is a good idea. Yeah, yeah,
very clever. That has to be done. Thanks for your
cool Brendan. You reckon.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
There's good things and bad things about doing this.

Speaker 20 (33:53):
Oh yeah, I mean, like the key things to think
about is the fact that humanity was because of them
being extinct in the first place. So if humanity can
bring them back. That's not necessarily a bad thing.

Speaker 15 (34:05):
Yeah, but there is there is a lot.

Speaker 20 (34:07):
Of cons and well, there's a whole lot of pros
and cons and we don't have a whole lot of time.

Speaker 15 (34:12):
We can see that.

Speaker 20 (34:13):
One of the cons is will there be an environmental
impact from such a large creature that I obviously had
to be controlled as like farms. And you know, there's
there's a whole lot of science to be developed behind it.
I don't think fifteen million dollars that's going to be
like a starting point. There's not gonna be enough to

(34:34):
actual funds to get to the point where they can
actually create a pretty much accurate to what we expect
more because you know, that's a there's a lot of
research into genetics.

Speaker 15 (34:46):
They're going to have to do prescer.

Speaker 20 (34:47):
Type DNA manipulations.

Speaker 15 (34:50):
That's that's a very very deep topic.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
It's a fair point, Brendan. And before we started this topic,
we did a bit of research. And there's a guy
in New Zealand called doctor Mike Dickinson. He's a flightless
bird expert. He was the head of the Wanganui Museum
and he's done a lot with with natural history, and
he actually made the claim there that we do need
the extinct more back for environmental reasons. It's good for
the ecosystem that when they do thrive, they preserve help

(35:16):
preserve the forest, and the moral were an important part
of that because there are large browsing birds. So he
actually made the case that it could be really good
for our ecology.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
To bring these these things back.

Speaker 20 (35:27):
Yeah, I've heard that as well, and I kind of agree,
but I think that if they're kind.

Speaker 15 (35:32):
Of they'd have to be doing it in a stage
sort of fashions them.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Yeah, because so how would you how would you feel
if they were completely they were brought back and put
in a Jurassic Park situation, so they're just a tourist
thing that they're kept behind big fences and they never
get out into the undergrowth.

Speaker 15 (35:52):
Then I say, you set a gimmick.

Speaker 20 (35:54):
If you're going to bring them back, you're even bringing
them back for farming, because you know they did get
hunts down and beaten out, because obviously they must have
been very good found for lost many they looked like
those were they couldn't fly away, So I think it's
worth considering.

Speaker 15 (36:11):
But there there had there would have to be a
lot of thought given to But.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
I was a good for mused to hear some of
the some of the callers, you.

Speaker 20 (36:19):
Know, the guy at the last guy of the mole
joke that was about as old as my grandmother's but
that some of some of the people are are reacting
from what sounds like fair and permanent ignorance and oboy
not borrying to actually do any research into the topic.
So you know, I'm doing some research and something else

(36:39):
and I'm counting the same problem.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yeah, well, it's it's a big problem people having opinions
about research, but we welcome them.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Yep, absolutely, a hundred percent. Thank you very much, Brendan.
A couple of texts before the news hits us, guys,
if Peter Jackson can bring back the mile with the DNA,
what's stopping anyone bringing back humans with DNA. We did
discuss that a little bit before, and I you know,
we I get the argument that is that the slippery

(37:08):
slow poll the thin edge of the wedge, but I
don't think so. You know, this technology I think has
been used for the right reasons, and people like Professor
Andrew Pask, they've got the enthusiasm intelligence and backing to
be able to do it properly.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
I just want cool and exciting things to happen in
my lifetime. That's what I care about, cool and exciting things.
And if I got to see a more walking around,
I would love that. Yesterday we're talking about zoos. I
love to go and see a giraffe. I love to
go and see an elephant. I would love to see
a wooly memmoth. Yeah, you know, call me selfish. Maybe
it'll lead to the end of the world, but I

(37:42):
would love to see a more in the flesh. And
I am so interested. As I asked Andrew Plank prefers
Andrew Plank whether it's going to have the straight up
neck that they made when they first found the bones
and put them together for displaying museums, or have the
curved in Unick. Yes, because I think we've put them
the next straight up and I think everyone probably agrees

(38:02):
with me here, just to make it as tall as possible,
so it could be as cool as possible, you.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Know, to get that extra three point six meters.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yeah, so I don't think they will be they'll look
like that, quite like that, but they will be very
very cool and I for one, support it to right.

Speaker 7 (38:15):
That was it?

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Yeah? And if you're bored by the idea of bringing
back the more, look, I don't know what I can
say so I help you. I feel very very sorry
for you, Feel very very sorry for you and the
people that have to spend time with you. Great discussion,
Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
Really enjoyed all your phone calls and all your texts
on that one. New sport and weather is on its way.
Really great to have your company as always. You're listening
to Matt and Tyler. We'll see you on the other
side of.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Two o'clock.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams.
Afternoons used dog Zi, be.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Very good afternoons you welcome back into the program. Great
to have your company as always. It is seven pass too.
Now let's get into this. We want to talk about
Friday work drinks. But a story today is a bit
of a pylon on a member senior member of a
public health agency. So staff members have called it pretty
ironic that Friday drink sessions have been organized by the

(39:47):
senior health manager in charge of reducing alcohol harm. The
lead manager for that part of the public health agency
is organizing Friday night drinks for staff. His name is
Ross Belle. He is very well known in health circles
and they were known as Ross's Friday Drinks. A lot
of staff have come out anonymously and gone to this

(40:08):
particular remorter. Former staff and gone to this particular reporter
in question. One of them said, obviously, these are pretty
low standards for professional behavior at the Ministry of Health.
Talking about the Friday drinks, another form of staff member says,
it was pretty ironic that someone in Ross Bell's position
would be promoting the use of alcohol in the workplace.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
I would say, this is my theory on this, that
you can have work drinks and it not be problem drinking.
So you can live a healthy life and have a
few drinks from time to time. So the idea that
someone but just because they're working in the Ministry of
Health should never have drinks and should not organize work

(40:52):
drinks considering all the mental health benefits there are of
people getting together and the culture that you form by
people spending time together outside of just doing the job
they're doing, then I just don't. I just cannot. It's
not a zero. Some things not because they have talking
about the harms of alcohol in the community, they should

(41:14):
never drink. Yeah, that's not how it works. It's not
like the people that talk about the harms of driving
cars never drive cars. In fact, you want people that
know about driving cars. I think that someone that's talking
about the harm of alcohol in the community, I'd prefer
to have someone that knew something about it, rather than
just a complete teetotaling walser that's never been part of
that world. So if they're having a couple of wines

(41:36):
or a couple of beers at the end of the week,
how I cannot even see how anyone thinks that's hypocritical.
I mean, yeah, that's a very very fair point.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
But I think I'd be more outraged if they weren't
having Friday drinks or some sort of socializing element there, because,
like you said, I firmly believe this. I've been in
workplaces where there's been no Friday drinks, no sort of
social events outside of.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
What you do with work.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
They were horrible places to work, really horrible. Everybody hated
each other. There was no sort of friendships being formed
or any sort of bonding going on. If you want
a cohesive team culture, you've got to offer those of things.
And having a couple of beers on a Friday after
a big week and maybe letting off some steam or
just having a laugh with your workmates. That is so
good for company culture.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
And you don't have to drink. You can go along
and have a bloody orange juice if you want. Exactly
if there's a few crisps and crisp sounds nerdy to see.
It's such a uk saying there's a bag of crisps
and you know, some sodas, some orange and a few
beers and some wines and everyone you know enjoys each

(42:38):
other's company. I don't care what company you're working for.
I don't care if you're a senior public health agency manager.
I don't care. It's not it's not related that the
fact that people can find ways to get outraged like
this is the real problem. People wandering around finding ways
to try and score points against people. They're the problem

(42:58):
in a community. What a few work drinks at any
work agency, and look, they were paying for the drinks themselves.
Wasn't coming out of the budget.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
Yep, there's no taxpayer money being used to thank you
for saying that. Because I've dealt with Ross Bell on
a few occasions over my time in the media, and
this guy has worked his ass off for health for
a long long time. He's very esteemed and he's done
some incredible work, and he's been a great advocate for
many different organizations within health and this just felt like
such a pylon for a guy that was trying to

(43:28):
boost up culture within an organization that is probably pretty
miserable at times, and he gets grief for it.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Yeah. Absolutely, So he's esteemed, but not necessarily steamed at
his work. Drinks Tyler if.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
He wants to get a little bit steamed, and you
know that's okay.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
He's so esteemed in your in your mind that it's
fine if he gets a little bit steamed. Yeah, but yeah,
he's done great works. He was previously at the New
Zealand Drug Foundation. But it's not about him. It's it's
just more about the idea, the zero sum way of
looking at things. Alcohol causes harm, So absolutely zero alcohol.
You're you're you're tarring people with the brush of someone

(44:05):
that's getting completely steamed and ending up smashing bottles on
the street with someone that's having a quiet wine with
their workmates and bonding a little bit about the job
they do and getting to know each other a little
bit more.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. Love to hear
your thoughts on this one. Is this a bit of
a pylon on Ross Bell who was a senior min
manager of the Public Health Agency and Friday drinks? Do
you have them in your workplace? Do they provide a
necessarily necessary boost to culture or do you think there's
no need to offer that sort of thing?

Speaker 2 (44:37):
And hashtag bring back the woods, that's going to be
too long a hashtag, but bring back the drinks trolley. Ah,
the drinks trolley that brings back memories back in the day.
In this particular company, there used to be a drinks
trolley that you'd wheel round and people would have a
drink at their desk. You'd wheel it around at four
o'clock with some crisp styler, yes nice, and some drinks.

(44:57):
And I think it was a great community thing. Yeah,
you know, I used to love when it was my
turn to wheel it round. I got to meet everyone
in the building.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
I was going to say, I heard stories when you're
in charge of that drink's trolley, stories.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Drinks create community. O. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
It is twelve past two.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Your home of afternoon Talk, Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons
Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty Youth Talk said.

Speaker 8 (45:23):
Be.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Very good afternoon to you. It is quarter past two
and we're talking about Friday drinks at work. A story
are out today is a bit of a pylon on
a man called Ross Bell. He's well known in public circles.
He is one of the senior managers at the Public
Health Agency and some former staff members have a nominoe god.
I say that word again. Anonymously gone to the reporter

(45:48):
in question and said that the Friday drinks that he
hosts on occasion is hypocrisy. So what do you say, oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and Friday work drinks?
Are they an important part of developing culture within a workplace?

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Yeah, And like I said that, you know, Friday drinks
can create community, Well, they create community before this person
said yes, but drinks can also ruin communities. That's absolutely true. Yeah,
but I think that it's all on Hey, you know,
at one end, you've got the horrible outcomes of drinks
and people that behave terribly on drinks and that that exists,
there's no doubt about it. At the other end, you've

(46:21):
got a couple of drinks at work at the end
of the week with the people that you work with,
that you learn more about what they do in their
life and what they are as people.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
Yeah, you know exactly.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
So I don't think I don't think that just because
you know, just because you were someone that's working in
health in New Zealand and health messaging that you knew
you're necessarily saying absolutely no drinks either. I mean looking
during COVID lockdown, the government decided that one of the
one things that was most important of all was that
we could still get into bottle stores.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Yeah, and thank god for that. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call, Robin. What's
your thoughts on this.

Speaker 21 (46:56):
My thoughts are on that is I think come, it's
a good idea, and I think come, I mean, I
don't drink alcohol, but they won't. They'll have other drinks
other than alcohol.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Absolutely, And they did go to a Friday.

Speaker 21 (47:09):
Night and just drink alcohol. I mean you just go
for socializing, don't you.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Yeah. Absolutely, I mean, when you go to a restaurant, Robin. People,
you know, people go out to a restaurant and don't
necessarily get absolutely trolleyed. But they might have a wine
with their meal.

Speaker 21 (47:25):
Yes, but you might have something else. You might even
have a glass of water.

Speaker 6 (47:27):
Who cares?

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Yeah, who cares? Yeah, exactly. And have you worked in
places with Friday night drinks in the past.

Speaker 21 (47:34):
Robin, Yes, I have in the past, and my husband
definitely believed or not. And you know, it's about building
a team spirit.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Isn't it.

Speaker 21 (47:43):
It's about getting to know your fellow workers in a
different way. It's about communicating with each other. I mean,
it's about Yes, that's my opinion anyway. And I just
in this dad age of so many drinks, it's non
alcoholic wines as low alcohol beers. I mean, just because
it's a Friday night drinks, it's a drinks.

Speaker 8 (48:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
It's interesting. Actually, at our workplace here at enz ME,
they call it the They've changed the name from Friday
Drinks to the Monthly Mingle. Yes, it should be weekly.
I can't believe they've cut it down to once a month,
but which is absolutely shocking. I'm disgusted by that part.
Of it, but they say monthly mingle because they just
want to make it clear that there'll be some drinks,
but there'll be some there'll be some pizzas, there'll be

(48:23):
some some some cokes, there'll be some orange juice.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
Everything.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
It'll be some mingling. Yeah, yeah, So just call.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
It a monthly mingle and then and then serve drinks
and people can have enough they want. Yeah, thank you
so much for your call, Robins.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
Plenty of great teachs coming through on nine to nine two.
This one says from the former workers who said this
is hypocrisy. They probably have said lives outside of their
work department. Nothing wrong with it.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Your your former workers that are complaining probably watch Pornhub
on a regular basis and Paul wings off flies for kicks.
All right, okay, is a street show. I don't I
don't have any information. They might, Yeah, they might. These
former employees that are an online throwing a rob bell
under the under the ross bell under the bus. They

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may pull the wings of flies. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
Yeah, yeah, it's a free will. It's quite quite possible. Well,
we'll look into this, yeah, yeah, we'll do some more
research on the background.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Jason, you reckon.

Speaker 20 (49:23):
It's ridiculous buys.

Speaker 8 (49:26):
These sound little people.

Speaker 9 (49:28):
They can't even put their names to this.

Speaker 4 (49:31):
It's ridiculous, like they need to go out and have some.

Speaker 9 (49:35):
Drinks instead of going to a woman putting their jams on,
sitting in the park behind the keyboard, having to go
all the people for living their life.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
It does that paint that kind of picture, Jason, where
they're looking over it, looking over at the work drinks,
like those hobbits at the start of the Lord of
the Rings judging Bobo.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
Along with these people, like it's so vitally important.

Speaker 9 (49:58):
To have that socialization. You don't have to drink alcohol.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
Drinks are drinks? What is a drink?

Speaker 8 (50:08):
Personally?

Speaker 15 (50:08):
I don't drink anymore because I can't.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
But do you mind me asking why you can't drink anymore? Jason?
If you don't mind me prying because I'm too good
at it? Right, you're too what?

Speaker 8 (50:20):
Sorry, I'm too good at it?

Speaker 3 (50:23):
Yeah, fair enough, so to play devil's advocate. I I
agree with you, Jason, But the play devil's advocate here?
This this health agency in question is responsible for alcohol
harm reduction. Do you do you see any challenges there
for them? Offering this to to their workers if their
main mission statement is to try and reduce the harm

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caused by alcohol, and then they're offering this is as
something that staff members can come along to and beers
will be provided on their own cost.

Speaker 9 (50:57):
I don't want to I hate to use the word
assume for obvious reasons, but I am assuming that this
gentleman is.

Speaker 15 (51:03):
Not engouraging drunkenness.

Speaker 8 (51:07):
Et cetera.

Speaker 9 (51:08):
Act I'm assuming that there's offering a couple of drinks
and an hour of chart and social and to let
off steam at the end of the week.

Speaker 22 (51:17):
What's wrong with that?

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Yeah, And that's kind of goes to what I was
sort of saying Jason before that. I think people use
the absolute worst case scenario to beat up on something
which is actually quite wholesome and safe. So they go, well,
you can, you can come up with a million terrible
things that can potentially happen, but it's unfair to beat

(51:38):
up on something that isn't causing those problems, you know.
And and also the fact that there was no there
was no complaints from anyone working there. There's only complaints
from former staff. Yeah, that's telling Hey, where's your where's
your accent from Jason, if you don't mind me asking. God,
I love the yilk j accent.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
Character to it, Jason, And just quickly before.

Speaker 9 (52:01):
Sorry you go, I was just going to say twenty
five years living in New Zealand and this.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
I heard a little bit there when you see you
kind of see in New Zealand.

Speaker 9 (52:11):
So I think I'll do a bit. It's funny if
I go to my hometown people think I'm Australian.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
What shocks me when I go overseas people think I'm
South Africa Oday, Yeah, we're in a bit of a
UK twang. Well I think I think I think Australian,
New Zealand and South African accents are closer than than
we then we maybe like to admit yeah, probably. Thank
you so much for your call, Jason cheers.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Do you have Friday work drinks at
your place of work? Did HR or the boss get
rid of them because he thought it was too dangerous?
And what do you feel about this health agency offering
their staff an opportunity to come on a Friday and
have a couple of beers or wines? To let off
some steam.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
And what do you think what Kevin says here supporting
my idea that there's community that's grown by work drinks,
he said, here's one for you Booze building office Optimism,
zeal And Engagement. Hi, that man right now n is
looking at a PSA that the government gets out their
booze building office optimism, zeal And engagement. That's the hype
man we need.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
It is twenty three past two.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB very good afternoons.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
You were talking about the Friday work drinks and article
today that is a bit of a pylon in my
opinion of a man called Ross Balleies. Well, no in
the health circles and he did have on occasion the
Rosses Friday drinks. A whole bunch of former staff members
that come out saying it's hypocrisy because part of this
health agency's mission statement is alcohol reduction, alcoholm reduction.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
I should say it's interesting in this alcohol one of
the reasons that they come out against work drinks is
it can lower in ambitions, causing people to behave inappropriately,
which can lead to stress, anxiety and even the loss
of employment. That's on you. If you behave in such
a way at work drinks that it leads to stress,
anxiety and loss of employment, then that's on you, not

(54:09):
the work drinks. Yeah, control yourself for goodness sake. You're
a team. I used to work for a company owned
by one of the richest people in the UK. Wonder
who that was? The CEO? Is to say the team
that plays together stays together us so true and I
had many a good time at Friday work at drinks
in London. That's from John.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Yeah, that is a great line. Fully agree with that.
The team that plays together stays together?

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Is that buddy? I wonder if that was the richest
man in the UK, I'll be one of the rich
It would be Richard Branson. Surely he was a big
drunk and he would love a Friday Richard Branson. Honestly,
that was Richard Branson. Girard, welcome to the show.

Speaker 15 (54:44):
Gee, how's it going?

Speaker 4 (54:45):
Met and color?

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Very good?

Speaker 22 (54:49):
Yeah, So on my points. When I started I'm a
branch manager for one of the electoral companies here in Auckland,
and when I started at the company. Our team was fractured.
There was a lot of mistrust between the guards, and
are brought in a monkey barbecue for the guards. First
Friday of every month. We'd do a barbecue and the

(55:12):
guys would come together and we would I'd offer drinks,
so there would be beers in the fridge, but I'd
also off obviously spark coke, all of your your standard
soft drinks and orange uses. And I can tell you
now that more than eighty percent of my team don't drink.
And I ask them why and they're like, no, because
they just don't drink alcohols yep. So and we've got
no issues with that. But having get barbacue and bringing

(55:35):
the guards together has built such a camaraderie between the
guars and has built the team up that they actually
started to trust each other and talk between themselves. So
I don't know where this Gar's coming from. I do
believe that you do need decks that team together, and
that that's saying that you said a team that that's
what's going together stays together in it. But that that's
a really good saying and I do believe in it.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Yeah, And you know, in your situation, I'm assuming there's
no pressure for people to drink alcohol if I don't
want to.

Speaker 8 (56:03):
No, absolutely not, absolutely not no.

Speaker 22 (56:06):
As well as my team's quite cold. So I've got
a few guys from India, one or two guys from
the Philippines, and their cultures also determine if they drink
or not. And you can't pressurize our guys to do
anything like that. And they are they're adults, man. They
understand that if they drink and they get in trouble
that they're there are consequences for what they do.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
And what kind of barbecue are you having, Gerard? Just
judging by your accent, I'm imagining it might be a
certain type of barbecue.

Speaker 22 (56:34):
Yes, we do, but we do have quite a few
kims and I've got a few actual vegetarians, so we
kind of have to get vegetarians barbecue as well as
the old South African the bra.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Brie b love it. It sounds like a good time.
It's about br Ai. But you say, Brian, don't you Rye?
That's great bright. Yeah, And just on another topic, thank
you for you for your input on this. I think
you've got it. Obviously a great boss, but and a
great manager, but Yeah. My question for you is with

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your accent when you're overseas, do you ever get mistaken
from Australia or in New Zealander like I'm sometimes mistaken
for a South African overseas.

Speaker 22 (57:16):
Yeah, yeah, well I actually spent two years in America
and they could not pinpoint my accent. It's Australian always first,
then the UK and the New Zealand they point me
for South Africa.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Yeah. Hey, thank you so much for your call, Durra,
thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
A couple of texts and we've got the headlines coming up,
but we're taking more of your calls on our eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty Friday work Drinks yay or nay?

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Hi guys.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
This speaks again to a media bias, which woke media
organization is trying to make this a story from Kevin.
You can find it, Kevin, just google Ross Bell and
you'll see it.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
This person says we had an all out brawl at
our work due. Yeah. I mean that can happen as well, Dave, absolutely,
and that comes down to how you manage the situation.
There's no doubt that there have been work drinks situations
that have gone wrong. Absolutely, you'd be crazy to pretend
that that isn't the case. But I don't think that's
what wash Bell was running. I don't think he was
running a nice little work jonks at the end of

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Speaker 2 (59:35):
Okay, so I missed a trick here, so I was.
So we got this text before Cure Team. I used
to work for a company owned by one of the
richest people in the UK. The CEO used to say
the team that plays together stays together. So true, and
I had many a good time at Friday after work
in London. John from Wellington, Now I read that as
a spelling mistake to say, I thought he was writing

(59:57):
the CEO. What he wrote was THEO and he's just
texted me back. There's a clue to who it is
in the text, so I'm assuming that it's THEO.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
Puppetus the dragons in Guy THEO per Fetus Fetus y
Puppetus is not a name.

Speaker 4 (01:00:14):
What was it?

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Per fetus from the Dragons Fetus? Yeah, yeah, and owned
Merwell Football Club are.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Reportedly worth two hundred and ninety million pounds.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Yeah, so is that text? John?

Speaker 5 (01:00:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
John? Just give us was it the fetus?

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Give us a thumbs up or thumbs down. We'll keep
guessing it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Richard Brentson by by the sound of things, I.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty z numbered.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Call Simon your thoughts on the health benefits or nay
of work drinks?

Speaker 11 (01:00:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:00:42):
My first question is has there been any negative stories
come out of this from regarding drunken staff members? There
anything like that?

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
No, no stories that just complaints from former employees.

Speaker 23 (01:00:59):
So basically the persons in charge of the health department
for reducing harm and alcohol so doing an example being
able to go up with your staff team and everyone
have a drink of their choice and socialize and talk
about things that maybe aren't work related. Ah, it's good
to get out there, isn't that part of possibly the

(01:01:20):
remit I've shown a good example of you can have
a drink and the drink not have you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
This is such a good point, Simon. So this is
actually evidence of exactly the opposite thing. The article is
trying to claim. This is an example of how a
person in that position has shown how it can be responsored.

Speaker 23 (01:01:38):
There's no evidence of.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Well, I think we just lost you assignment.

Speaker 7 (01:01:44):
Yeah, the hypocrisy lies with staff members that are.

Speaker 23 (01:01:51):
Points in the finger once have actually less employment with
that department.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Yeah, absolutely, you go so. Deputy Director of General doctor
Andrew Old. He's the head of the Public Health Agency.
He said this as in many workplaces. Teams within the
ministry hold social gatherings from time to time. They may
include morning team, these lunches or gatherings outside of normal
business hours blah blah blah, informal glamo ring here he goes, Damn,

(01:02:16):
there's a bit here. He said that no one's complained.
I might've got to find it here. I might have
to keep reading. An opportunity for staff to get together
regularly in the social setting if they wish. This is
an informal gathering with no formal invitation, and the cost
of any food or alcohol or non alcoholic drinks is
covered by those attending. Asked whether he approved of the
Friday Drinks, doctor Old said that the nature of the
informal gatherings did not require approval as they adhere to

(01:02:38):
the Ministry's guidelines. And he said, however, I there have
been God, I'm still trying to get to it. This
is terrible from me. The ministry guidelines also stay bah
bah bah bah in a bit of a can you
find a bit? Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
Then he goes on to say, oh, here it is.
He said, there is no complaints that have been received.
I quote here, however, I take any concerns seriously and
invite staff to raise them with me directly or through
other appropriate channels.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
So there you go. Further to Simon's point, it would
suggest that the very person Ross Bow, senior manager at
the Public Health Agency, is showing how you can run
responsible work drinks because there's been no complaints except for
winging former staff members.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
And I'll tell you what the other question that wasn't
asked in this article, Well, thank.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
You, Todd. I could have been reading for half an hour.
I want to find that quote of looking for it is,
I mean, it's pages and pages of pylon on this.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
Poor Ross Bell, who was an absolutely upstanding New Zealander
and he's done a lot for public health in this country.
But the question that wasn't asked in this article, why
are they former staff members? I mean I suppose that
sees everything that they no longer work there. They must
have been such punishes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Yeah, as I said before, imagining those hobbits that were
leaning over the gate making you know, judgmental eyes at
Bilbo Baggins and fellowship of the rest. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Friday work drinks? Do you still have them
at your workplace? How important aren't they? And if you
don't have them, why what happened to cause you to
stop the old Friday work drinks?

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
And update?

Speaker 8 (01:04:00):
It was?

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
It was about it. It was the yeah, world done, John,
there you go, you go, and he did went to
it Millwell FC with one time twenty two solved twenty
two to three. Those who drink together, stay together or something?

Speaker 20 (01:04:13):
Was it?

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
Those who play together?

Speaker 24 (01:04:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Stay together? Day together? Do you have a drink?

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
The new the big stories, the big issues, the big
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Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
They'd be you got one job, Tyler, and that's to
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Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
That is so embarrassing, so embarrassing. I'll just leave now,
shall I? Good afternoon, Welcome back. And we aren't talking
about Friday work drinks. Yeah, your name and your place
of work. It's on the back of an article, a
bit of a pylon on a gentleman called ross Bow,
well known health circles. He's getting a bit of stick
from former staff members for his Rosses Friday drinks.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
But what do you say?

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
Oh e one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
So hi, guys. Doctor Michael Moorsley once said no amount
of alcohol is good for you there, and I mean
rop doctor Michael Moorsley. Of course he died, didn't he
a couple of twenty twenty four, didn't he? He just
went missing in Greece. It was really true. I interviewed
him once. He's the big, big fasting guy. Ye, a
great guy, and there's no doubt. Look that you know.

(01:05:14):
We're not saying that alcohol isn't without risk. Absolutely is
without risk. We're just saying that this is a pylon
that someone that works in health should not have drinks
like there's not a spectrum of damage from from one
or two drinks to a thousand and then getting into
a fight on the street. But he also said didn't.
He also said that he had seven standard drinks a week.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
So doctor Moseley revealed Mosley revealed how much he drinks
each week. So he wrote before he saidly passed away
on the Fast eight hundred website, I try to drink
within the recommended guidelines of seven medium sized glasses of
wine a week.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
One thing is for sure, though, You know that alcohol
does affect your sleep, Yes, So if you want to
sleep really well, then you need to have it asleep
and sleep is very, very very important for us. You don't,
no matter how much alcohol you have of an evening,
it's going to make you have worse sleep. Yeah, very true.
So you know you need to go into that, you know,
knowing that, yeah, absolutely, Even if you just have two

(01:06:11):
wines then you're going to have a much less refreshing sleep.
Being welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (01:06:18):
Hey, cheers, guys, Hey Tyler mean thanks for calling. Oh no, cheers, cheers.
Taking it What a cool topic. Did something of got
very whole, very close to my heart. I worked in
a few jownery shops at Jewannery factories and and yeah,

(01:06:39):
there wasn't a thing. And you noticed the difference between
the ones that do look after their starts as far
as socializing and and I guess you're letting off a
bit of steam or getting to talk to each other
in a different light. It's really it's really important there.
And when you're spending more time that we're well in

(01:07:02):
our trade. We do spend more time with at work
with the other colleagues then I do with my own family. Yeah,
so it's important that you know, you get through that
awkwardness that we vibe that goes on you know when
you Yeah, I don't know what it is, but each day,
my boss is that we're all work at the moment,
my bosses there me. You know, we five o'clock, you'll

(01:07:26):
bang bing a couple of bottles together. There's a bell
that's a knockoff bell. We have two ers a day.
Everybody has two viers a day. On the Friday. On
the Friday, sorry month a month, we do the barbecue
thing and get our partners involved, and kids come.

Speaker 8 (01:07:44):
Along and.

Speaker 7 (01:07:47):
Every Christmas, yeah, Christmas, dudes are a bit more. They're
yeah they're at the gate. But yeah, you know, we
we and his his take on it was, you know,
if we if we can't sit down and have the
beer at the end of the day, and then what's
the point and and and it works.

Speaker 8 (01:08:03):
It just works.

Speaker 7 (01:08:03):
Like you know, these guys as much as these guys
are as much as there are a bunch of idiots,
absolute bunch of idiots. But you know, I wouldn't have
it any other way, you know, And we can talk
to each other like that because because we do, we
sit down and have a good old laugh.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
It's interesting that you say that that you have you know,
you spend more time with these guys than your family.
Just how does your what does your missus think about
you sticking around after work for a couple of years
and spending even more time with these guys as opposed
to your family?

Speaker 8 (01:08:29):
That's it?

Speaker 7 (01:08:30):
This is this is it? So she she doesn't get
to see my pacelets to see how many hours that
actually have with So I not got the five but
I tell her I'm not got the five thirty man Where.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Cats out of the bag now? Though? Ben? But I
think there's as you say, Ben, it's great if you know,
it's an opportunity to talk about your actual life. Outside
of work, and then it makes work more enjoyable. You
have the culture, you you you know, back these people
that they mean more to you than just the person
that you're working with. And it's great if you if
your boss can you know, organize things where where everyone

(01:09:03):
gets to meet each other's families as well. That that
is fantastic because then then you know, you work colleagues
in a way do become family.

Speaker 7 (01:09:11):
This is it once and once and months in.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
Yeah, I mean it's big in the trades as well,
hasn't it been, Like I know, you know, women get
a lot out of it if they have a few
wines with the girls as well, but primarily in the trades.
For men, I think that's massive to be able to
sit around having a beer and just shooting the breeze
for your mental health overall and talk about what's going
on in your life. That's a huge thing.

Speaker 7 (01:09:34):
It is, man, and it's been taken away because people
have been abusing it and having more than two and
getting done for drink driving on the way home and well,
you know, people just don't know how to act and whatnot,
and so they've been cut from a lot of trades.
But you can keep it under control, and we seem
to do. We've been going now eight years. Yeah, and

(01:09:56):
the thing hasn't changed. Like I said, we're all just
one big hatty family giving each other a whole bunch
of stick and it's just awesome. Yeah, it is, and
it's so important.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
Ben, you're a good man. Thank you very much for
giving us a bus.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
And it makes your point there. I mean, it's up
to you as an individual to not ruin it for
everyone by acting like a total dickhead at work, drinks
or drink driving, or you know, making it an unhealthy thing,
because that's how it gets taken away. That's why I
don't disagree with this whole thing in this article talking
about how I read it before. It can lower inhibitions,

(01:10:28):
causing people to have inappropriate act and appropriately, which can
lead to stress, anxiety, and even loss of employment. Despite
these non harms, drink and it normalizes drinking and events.
It's like people have to take charge of their own lives.
And if you're acting like a total dickhead to the
point you cause anxiety, then that's on you. Or if
you're drink if you're drink driving, then you're committing a crime.

(01:10:49):
That's not the fault of the people that are putting
on the work drinks. Try and create a bit of
community one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
It is thirteen to three. We're taking more of your
cause very shortly. Oh eight hundred and eighty, ten eighty.
Love to hear from you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Very good afternoon, sire.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
It is ten to two three and we're talking about
the Friday work drinks and article in one of the
media organizations today bit of a pylon and a gentleman
called Ross Bell. He's a senior manager at the Public
Health Agency. But Ross Bell, he is well known in
health circles and he has done an incredible amount of
work around drug foundation and alcohol harm reduction. But can

(01:11:33):
you get your thoughts is this a pilon and do
you still have Friday work drinks where you are eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
We've got an off air caller who has said that
check out the health and Safety employee legislation regards the
responsibility to make sure staff get home safely and understand
that there's those kind of regulations, but I think they're rubbish.
I think that your workplace doesn't owe shouldn't have to
treat you like a child to the point where you

(01:11:59):
we're there in charge of how you get home from
work drinks. But that legislation is terrible legislation, and it
just leads to cultures being destroyed because workplaces rightly don't
want to take on the responsibility, so they shut down
the socializing. So I think that that that health and
safety at those regulations, that legislation is terrible and has
the unforeseen circumstances of ruining, ruining socialization and community and workplaces.

(01:12:25):
Work drinks got out of hand for my companies started
starting at eleven am Friday, then eleven am every day.
Pretty bad. I'm self employed and work alone, so the
company's crap. Yeah, very good, Mark, how are you hey?

Speaker 24 (01:12:40):
You going guys?

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Very good, very good.

Speaker 24 (01:12:44):
I was introduced through Friday drinks when I was doing
my trade as a butcher and Toneden and yeah, it
was was sort of open my eyes because the old
guy they used to make the saves and sausages and
all that, he would start pretty early and but time
he finished the end of the day was pretty legal
less and let's just say a lot of the linking
sausages went all the same size. Was very ird looking

(01:13:07):
sausages and black pullings at the eame of it. But look,
Friday drinks. I sort of moved down to the I
went down on my trade for a week bit and
I worked for a large meat company as a foreman
and for quite a while. I'm back in my trade now,
but we had Friday drinks and.

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
It was good.

Speaker 24 (01:13:30):
Like we'd have Friday drinks after we'd finish shift because
you know, running process screens, we'll work some long hours.
We've been working bloody big hours. You know, you'd start
at five in the morning and you might not be
getting away till you know, half four or after well
after five. We told me down everything. So we'd go
to the main office and there was always drinks here,
but we'd never get accessive. We'll be silly about it.
And even the people that drunk but didn't want to

(01:13:52):
drink because you did drive, that'd come over and there'd
always be sort of other refreshmency put them on alcoholic.
But then we had a new CEO coming and just
stopped it everything. And because he put it down to
health and safety.

Speaker 23 (01:14:08):
But what was an eye.

Speaker 24 (01:14:09):
Opener was one was one day I had to go
to corporate in town to pick a car up to
travel to another plant up South Island. And this was
a Friday to go and pick the country car up.
And here's the people of corporate sitting down at their
computers with spaces and wine and wine glasses. So there

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were there were the double standards were there.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
That that is upsetting on both of those counts. Mark,
but on the health and safety element, as you know
Matt just read out. I mean that is I can
understand a lot of employees workplaces would look at that
legislation say it's too hard, there's too much risk, we
don't need the liability. It sucks because it's good for culture,
but we just can't do it anymore because we can't
be liable for that. And that's a sad state of affairs.

Speaker 15 (01:14:56):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 24 (01:14:57):
And in the end they just cut everything they like,
you know, salary staff would have a big go at
the end of the season and it was just a
way for all the departments to get together and yeah,
I got pretty mess. And then you could tell who
were the piss heads and who were the you know,
different people come out of their shelves at work those

(01:15:18):
So in the end we actually ended up forming our
own own work, do our own work social club. And
we've just put away money every every every fortnight out
of our wages. And after six months with thirty anymore
or fore ones and we had quite.

Speaker 15 (01:15:34):
A considerable amount.

Speaker 25 (01:15:35):
So different.

Speaker 24 (01:15:38):
Three people sort of just pick where you want to go.
So we don't call things like gone to Queenstown for
a couple of nights done, all things gone away to
Mavora done, fishing trips, yeah, and you know done all
the things gone to you know, bowling, temp and bowling
and golf. So in the end, if you if I
take away your fun, we yeah, we got a bit

(01:16:01):
annoyed about it, especially when corporate was still doing what
they were doing. So we just created our own fun.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
Good on your Mac. Yeah, that's all right. They you know,
they can take it away for you, but they kind
of go back to you. Says it's like nowadays this
Texas says nowadays, if you have work drinks provided, then
you drive and get DUI, the company can get a
massive fine.

Speaker 6 (01:16:20):
See.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
I think that is ridiculous and I think that has
the unforeseen circumstances. I kept saying of these things just
being shut down, and then then workplaces become less of
a community. And in these times of isolation, ironically caused
by social media, then we just have soulless workplaces where
just people come in like drones, work and go home,

(01:16:42):
and they never really know each other any better then
just what you know in terms of how they work
as workmates. You know, they never know them as people.
And so so many rules around alcohol have unforeseen circumstances
that actually make the world a worse place when they're
trying to make it a better place.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
Yeah, texts to you guys. I used to love Friday drinks.
Have always worked in sales and there'd be a big
group of us head into town. It was always the
big unknown, that was the exciting part. Great times. Indeed,
sad they're gone now from grants. And this one here,
I worked in a school that had Friday drinks. The
deputy principle was an alcoholic and embarrassed herself every Friday

(01:17:19):
got the boot after being breathalyzed at ten am.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
So not always a good thing, no, absolutely, but you know,
individual responsibility and so I say ross Bell, senior manager
at the Public Health Agency. This is a pylon. Yeah,
you're a good man.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
You are an absolute great New Zealander. Right coming up
after three o'clock. An interesting situation that Matt he found
himself in. We'll explain more.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
Yeah, no, no, you set me up. I'll re explain it.
Ne Exeica tanking me up for a four with that.
It is three to three News next.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
Your new homes are insightful and entertaining. Talk It's Matt
Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk Sevy.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
Very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the program,
seven past three. Very very good to have your company.
As always, this is going to be a very interesting
chat man.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Can I just hold you up there for a second? Title?
Please do? Yeah, and look, you'll have to help me
out here with what I want to say here because
I've forgotten the guy's name in title. But we did
a fantastic interview earlier today YEP in the one o'clock
hour with Andrew Pask He's a professor and he is
the Thila Scene Integrated Genomic Restoration research head at the

(01:18:36):
Lab in Australia and part of the Colossus group on
the plan to bring back the Giant and South Island Moer.
That's right, he's the man trying to bring back the more. Yeah,
and that has been put up as a podcast, that interview,
and he was a great man. He was very excited
about that. He was inspirational chat on that talks about
Sir Peter Jackson's involvement as well. So if you want

(01:18:57):
to listen to that whole interview, it's up wherever you
find your podcast Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons on
z B on iHeartRadio, where you get your pods. It's
a great listen.

Speaker 8 (01:19:05):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
How good was he? I've just put the link up
at heath in zied On in my story on my
met Heath and zed at Instagram as well if you
want to find it quickly. Yep. But yeah, it was
such a great chat, so I just thought i'd.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
Plug it r Yep. He was probably Andrew Andrew Pask.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
Thanks for allowing me that time to plug that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
Thank you, Matt Heath. So let's get into this. So
set it up because I don't want to throw you
under the bus, and I'm not going to I do that.
I do that too often sometimes, So tell us, tell
us as much as you can about how this converse.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
But even what you're saying is throwing me under the bus.
Even what you're saying, so I'm this isn't this isn't
based on anything. There's no reason why this jumped into
my head.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
Okay, cool, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
No reason at all. It's not based on anything, all right.
So you know we all like to tell stories. Yeah,
but sometimes we repeat the stories, and there's people that
we know in our lives that will repeat the same
stories over and over again. There are trigger points, they'll say,
there's something that comes up and they'll start repeating the
same story and that. So what do you do under

(01:20:08):
those circumstances? Do you know someone i Waite hundred and
eighty ten eighty. Do you know someone that's telling the
same stories over and over again and it's boring the
living crap out of you because you have your listen
to them. Should you tell those people to that you've
heard the story? So if someone starts telling a story
that you've heard before, should you go, hey, I've heard
that story before. You've already told me this. And if

(01:20:30):
you're a person that's fears that you tell stories because
I feel like I might tell the same stories over
and every again. And I've told my kids, I've said,
if I start telling a story, can you tell me
that you've heard it before? My son, my fifteen year
old son, said to me, yeah, but me and your brother,
we like listen to them and seeing how they change.
That's a great So I guess my question is how
do you deal with someone that tells stories, the same

(01:20:51):
stories over and over again? And if you are someone
that does, would you prefer to be told that people
have heard that story before? Would you get angry? Or
would you prefer to tell the story knowing that you're
boring the living crap out of people?

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighties and number of
cool I would take the opposite side of the spectrum to.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
That, Matty.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
And I'm not going to name names here, no names,
no pecdril, but a gentleman who I became pretty close with.
He was a great storyteller, but he often told the
same story multiple multiple multiple times, and he would say
before he started the story, he said, now stop me
if you've heard the story before, And I never did
because he was so animated. So excited so that we

(01:21:31):
sparkle in his eye as he was regaling the story
that he thought was for the first time, that I
just couldn't do it to him. I couldn't stop him
in his tracks, even though that I'd heard it fifty times.
So I just sat through and let him tell his story.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
But wouldn't he be humiliated when he eventually finds out
that he's told you the story twice?

Speaker 26 (01:21:49):
Yeah, and I.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
Understand that there are people with you know, mental what
would you say this, dementia and situations like that where
you have to take into it to account that that
maybe people's memories aren't aren't what they used to be.
So absolutely take that into account. But even under those circumstances,
you know, yes, look, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
Well, that's a good point actually, because there were times
with this individual and hopefully I'm not getting too close
to identifying this person, but there was another person in
the mix and they would come along and say, oh, mate,
you've told this story fifty times before. Tyler doesn't need
to hear this, And then at that point it was
rather embarrassing for me to say, actually, old mate, this

(01:22:34):
other person's right, I have heard this story before. Yeah,
but it didn't matter to him. He just kept telling
his stories.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
He loved it. Yeah, storyteller raconteur. Yeah, he just had
the same gig over and over. I just live in
fear that I've become one of those people that just
keeps repeating the same five stories over and again and
borrowing the crap out of people. John has a good point.
If it's your kids, make them suffer.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
Oh, eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
My wife says the damn same damn story all the time,
and it's so frustrating, but I don't want to say
anything because I want to sleep with her still.

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
Yeah, yeah, see there is that as well, is the
text number. But do you stop someone who is telling
the same story over and over and over again?

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
And also what's happening At three thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
Three point thirty we have Gareth abdenorh on the show
Back with Us. He's an expert in employment relations. So
you've got a problem at work, he's the man to
chat to. And if you're the boss and you've got
a problem with your workers, maybe Friday drinks have gone astray.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
Yeah, so ring up and tell us your stories.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
Yep, it is twelve past three, even if we've heard
them before. Very good afternoon to you. It is a
quarter past three. Should you stop someone when they're telling
a story if you've heard the story before, stop them
in their tracks, or just let them tell the story
again if it's making them happy. Oh eight one hundred
and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
I worked for a company of years ago and a
worker took the day off for his grandmother's funeral. The
operations manager came out and said to us that this
guy's grandmother has had four funerals over the last twelve months. Well,
that's what that's slightly different. That's not getting your stories straight. Yeah,
you know. That's that's when you're telling white lies. You
get caught out. Harold, welcome to the show.

Speaker 8 (01:24:11):
Hey, how're going?

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
God?

Speaker 8 (01:24:14):
Yeah, so yeah, that's an interesting one. So I have
I have this work mate, you know, or a colleague.
The stories get told. It's it gets told at least
three or five times a week. Now, is that? What
do you say to that, is that you stop someone
from telling the story?

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
Or three to five times a week you're hearing the story.
And so how many days a week, how many days
you can week you're working, that's every work day, isn't it?
Pretty much?

Speaker 8 (01:24:41):
Well pretty much? So it's going on, you know, and
and what you say to that do you do you?
Do you stop them? Or do you say something? Or
do you listen? And I've got it on on like memory,
I can record it and replay it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
Is it a good story?

Speaker 8 (01:24:57):
There's plenty, it's not just one, and so it's kind
of like it's like an audiobook that's just you know,
on repeat.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Does it change? Does it change? Because my kids tell
me that my that they like me repeating stories because
they get better and better they each time I unconsciously
embellished the story.

Speaker 8 (01:25:15):
Well I wish there would be so you know, you
could have a little bit of a different ending like
you would have those customs back in the day. You
know what you choose your ending. But this is a
point like it say, it's like a whole year book
on repeat. It's hilarious the times. But you know, when
you're trying to knuckle down and get to work and
it's like, well what do you say? You know, it's like, well,
hold on, hold on, do you want me to tell

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you the ending? Is time to make a little.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
Bit different and so and so, what what are you
doing about that? Because I mentioned that would be a
bit of a bit of a drag on productivity having
to listen to the same story.

Speaker 8 (01:25:47):
Yeah, so it's always the oh hey, oh sorry, I
just I just want to fell away. I need to
see if he's all right, you know, just to find
a way to kind of, you know, yeah, walk out
of it. But yeah, like I said, because sometimes you know,
you'd find out a bit rude to say, wow, hey
look mate, I've kind of heard this one.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
And it doesn't necessarily stop someone Harold. In my experience,
you can go to someone yeah, yeah, you've told me this, yep, yep,
well you know, and it doesn't stop them. They just
steamed through like this this text. And Nathan says, my
kids try to stop my stories, but I power on
through regardless. Yeah that's the last yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:26:28):
Coming, I need to tell you the good part.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
You're a good work bly Harold.

Speaker 8 (01:26:34):
Yeah. I like to think so. But yeah, thank you
just got a topic.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
Thank you so much me. You call Harold.

Speaker 3 (01:26:41):
I appreciate it three to four times a week. I've
got to say, I mean, I need to hear the story.
But I think timing is important. Once a month, if
I heard my old mate retell the story, I'd be
okay with that. But three to four times a week,
at some point you're going to have to say, mate,
this is a fourth time you've said that this week.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
I've got it an okay story. To be honest with me, Tyler,
we're good friends.

Speaker 4 (01:27:01):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
Do I repeat my stories?

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
I don't think you have yet. I'm just trying to
think of a time, Andrew. Can you remember Matt Heath
ever repeating one of his stories.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
I actually think, well, what do we am?

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
We're eight months into it. Now, you've lived a colorful life.

Speaker 3 (01:27:16):
There will come a time, I reckon, We've got about
another four months before one of your old stories pops
back up.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Okay, well, I take from that that you're not listening
to me because I've everyone else thinks i'd repeat my story.
So the fact that you don't think I am suggested
to me that you zone out no matter what I say.

Speaker 3 (01:27:29):
Yeah, it's because you've changed them and embellished them so much.
It sounds like a new story.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
Should we go to the phones or should we take
a break.

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
Let's take a break. And come back okay with your
phone calls? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number of call? How do you stop someone who is
telling the same story multiple times?

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
Will do you?

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
And the text numbers nine two nine two.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
This is a serious sosie for KIWI. So many texts
are coming through. It is so many. This is a
very important issue. Does it sound like it when it started?
But it is nineteen bars three.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:28:04):
It is twenty one past three. So many great techs
coming through.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
Yeah, someone says, hearing the story, you may learn something
from the older generation, a bit of history. Maybe, Yeah, absolutely.
I think you should listen to the story the first time. Yeah,
second time, sure, maybe you learn some more. The third
time you hear the story, you might be questioning whether
you need to hear it again and whether that's the
best usage of your time. Yeah, that's all I'm saying.
But you should definitely listen to people older than you

(01:28:29):
because they have a lot to share. Absolutely, sex it
says max Is. It's a privilege to get older and
ramble on with repetitive stories. You've reached a certain level
of seniority in life and feel loved. Someone's bothered listening
to you, Freddie. Oh okay, that's an interesting idea. You
can show love for people in your life by sitting
through their boring stories.

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
Yeah, I mean maybe I'm starting to come to your
side of the column here that it'd be nice to
be told because this text, I think Tyler is told
the same story a few times, should change his name to.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
Repeat his station. Is that true?

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
I'll just tell the same crap yarn over and over again.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
What one of you repeated? Someone has caught me out
on one that I've set on the story you constantly
talk about the time you found a full key we
trick arounder the farmhouse when you're growing out. Oh yeah,
yeah that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
I think you've got to two times out of there.

Speaker 5 (01:29:13):
One.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
Yeah, you got me there. Yeah, I told that one.

Speaker 6 (01:29:19):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
How do you stop someone from telling the same story
over and over again? Or should you stop them?

Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
Christopher? Welcome to the show youday guys.

Speaker 27 (01:29:31):
Sorry I told the guy my name is Christopher, but
it's Christen only anyway, love listen to you boys. I
have a local pub mate, Paul, and you know, every
month to six weeks it'll switch back and after a
few schooners, he'll then repeat. Though someone's thinking we're a
new audience, but we've been the same audience for last

(01:29:52):
five years, and his mate Tony the last twenty five years.
I'm just new to this town. But the crack up
for me is Tony and I agreed we're going to
shut them down to stop the wasteful of five or
ten minutes at a time. So we just finished his
story off for him and then we high five and

(01:30:13):
then start talking amongst themselves about something different and it
puts them into shock. I reckon, he must have our
cottage to dementia. He's an old British soldier, God bless him. Yeah,
so we do that in a friendly way.

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
You just fast forward to the end of the story,
and I wonder if he's sitting there going wow, how
did they know?

Speaker 27 (01:30:32):
How they know? And he's legitimately shocked. These people's changing everything.
But this is not a technique that I would use
on a family member like you know, an auntie or
a grandmother or even my own parents like I would
hear the story and I'd go through it again and
again if I had to, because the difference between him

(01:30:52):
is he's wasting my spare time. When I'm with my family.

Speaker 15 (01:30:56):
That is my time.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
Nicely said, yeah, good on you, Chris, thank you for that,
because I was going to say, the closer you are
to someone, probably the easier it is to shut them down.
But yeah, I don't know. Some family members are easier
than others.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
Matt. You know Glane is good for the odd yarn,
but his yarns are well worth listening to on multiple occasions.
Gelane is a sports commentator that I work with on
the a SEC. Even if you just narrow it down
to acc yarns, I enjoy the retailer just as much
as the first time. Slow patches and test cricket could
always produce some gold, and I courage others to pile
in and remind Glane of the yarns he may actively

(01:31:31):
be avoiding. That's Dale from Christich And as a person
that's commentated a lot of test cricket, you will find
patches where you just have to pull up anything, so
you all tend to repeat the same story. I have
material that works. Use it again.

Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
Ah, this is a great text. A very good friend
told the same story over and over for years. Last
year I made her a personalized calendar. Each month featured
one of her stories, along with an AI produced pictorial representation.
It was received in good humor and has resulted in
the repeated stories almost disappearing from her repertoire.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
My husband and my sister both tell stories. I've heard
several times. If you try to cut them off at
the past, they don't get it, and you still have
to finish this. One points out that, Hi, guys, we
only have an average lifespan of six one hundred and
fifty thous hours on Earth. Yeah was it? It's four
thousand weeks roughly, So once is enough?

Speaker 28 (01:32:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
I mean, if you're a person that's telling a lot
of stories in the same stories to people, are you
wasting the precious moments that your loved ones have on
this planet? Yeah? I mean so, Tyler, you say you'll
listen to any story because you just don't want to
be rude, But you know, you've got your life. You
could get hit by a bus tomorrow, Tyler, and you've
spent you know, a significant portion of your life listening

(01:32:47):
to the stories of a certain perpose person. We both
know who he is.

Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
But quite often on multitasking, so they'll be telling the story.
In my head, I'm just thinking what am I going
to have for dinner tonight? What have I got to
do on the weekend? And to see the joy in
their eyes when they're telling the story that they think
for the first time, it's you know, it's priceless.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
I'm getting slaughtered here from my trek Of story, Matt.
I've heard the trek of story under the house or
in the barn of your parents' house at leads four
times on Zedby get some new work stories. The story
has come out a lot. If that Trekker story, if
it comes up, I want people on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty and nine two nine two to ring
up and to text and ring up and abuse me yeap,
to stop me telling the Treker story again. But it

(01:33:24):
was amazing, Toylly, you gotta understand tell it again. I
was under the house and I found all the parts
to a Trekcker. And I've been talking about the Trekker
with people for years, and I had no idea that
under the farm that I was living in under the house.
That would have all the bits of a trekker to
put together an old tricker. Yeah, get out of town.
That's a great story. It's fantastic. Andrew, our producer, just

(01:33:46):
came through sarcastically saying I haven't heard this.

Speaker 3 (01:33:48):
We're going to need a trecker alarm or something right.
Thank you very much to everyone who called an text
on that. Some fantastic texts that come through. Wish we
could read them all out on here, but so many
have come through. But standing by is Gareth Abdenor. He
is an employment lawyer and workplace specialist, and he is
taking your calls and questions you got a problem in
the workplace, He is man to chet too. There's already

(01:34:09):
a few texts that it comes for a nine two
ninety two. And if you're the boss and you've got
a problem with your employee, he is certainly a good
person to have a chat too as well. Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
Call and final word on this. Jeremy Wells has told
the Table Talk The Table Talk College Rifles Chicken mascot
story at the Netball about nine hundred and ninety nine times.
But that's a very good story.

Speaker 3 (01:34:32):
Can we tell it now?

Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
You cannot tell that story? Way too sexual. For twenty
eight past three.

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Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
Thank you very much, Wendy So. Gareth Abdnoor is an employment,
workplace and information expert and director of Abdenor Employment Law.
He joins us once a month is part of our
US the Expert series to answer listener questions and is
back with US live from our christ Studio.

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
Get a Gareth good.

Speaker 29 (01:36:09):
Hey guys, how you doing so?

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
E one hundred eighty ten eighty. If you've got an
employment related question for Gareth Tyler, you've got a text there. Yes,
so Hi.

Speaker 3 (01:36:21):
If your contracts say pay reviews every year, Gareth, does
employer need to abide by this had no pay review
for four years? Please advise?

Speaker 29 (01:36:31):
Yeah. This is one that comes up all the time
because most employment agreements have this provision in it and
most employers forget about them. There is an argument that
if you don't remind your employer, it's a little bit
rich to say, well I haven't had one, because all

(01:36:52):
you need to do is ask. But yes, technically if
it's in your agreement, it should happen. Of course, a
pay review doesn't mean you get a pay increase, Unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
I always think about that. It's a strange thing in
contracts when they push for a pay review, because what
does that actually mean that you are forcing them to
sit down and talk about your pay but it's not
binding at all?

Speaker 29 (01:37:15):
Well exactly, I mean they look at it, and who knows,
they may actually go, well, you know, we've looked at
it and we're not that happy with what you're producing.
We don't think it's worth what you're giving paid.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
King, I saw the pay review. Can that go backwards?

Speaker 29 (01:37:30):
Well, they can't reduce your pay. They could look at
performance managing you.

Speaker 3 (01:37:34):
Yeah, yeah, reducing pay. I mean that would that would
send a message, wouldn't it. Actually, you can't do that
by by legislation, No to my pay review.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
If that's the case.

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
Yeah, Oh eighty is the number to call if you've
got a question for Gareth. Now is your opportunity. This
text just came through in the last couple of minutes.
Gareth sees my daughter has just broken her shoulder and
had an operation and she was due to start work
at the end of the month. Can she claim ACC from.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
Her new job?

Speaker 3 (01:38:03):
Oh cheap as that's a curly one.

Speaker 29 (01:38:06):
Yeah, so she hasn't actually started the new job yet.

Speaker 3 (01:38:12):
It appears she hasn't. No, so I'll just read that again.
She was due to start work at the end of
the month, right, but she at appears she hasn't started yet.

Speaker 29 (01:38:23):
Okay, yep, I'm not sure if she's if she if
she's still unfit to work and her new job starts potentially,
but that's something that I'd have to sit down and
look into. ACC is a tangled web.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
So hang on a minute. So you've got you can't
work at one job, and that goes on to your
next job, and you still can't work at that job.

Speaker 29 (01:38:53):
It's a bit it's a bit weird. I have to say.
I think we need more information.

Speaker 3 (01:38:57):
Yeah, it doesn't sound right from the you know, it
sounds unfear for the employer that this person hasn't started yet. Yes,
they've signed them on to the job, but then they
have to cough up? Was it eighty percent of this ELF?

Speaker 29 (01:39:09):
I would be surprised if the new employer had to
pay anything. But ACC may cover this person.

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
For a while, right, Oh, eight, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty. You've got a question for Gareth on employment
workplace problems. Garth, Welcome to the show. Your question for Gareth?

Speaker 23 (01:39:31):
Hi, Gareth.

Speaker 26 (01:39:32):
My question is that I'm in sales and when I
signed the contract with the employee, they advertised a job
that obviously with on target earnings. When I took the role,
they don't have any stop to meet the on target
earnings or the commission structure attached. What can I do
about that?

Speaker 29 (01:39:51):
Well, first step, as I always say to people, raise
it with your employer. Say hey, this is this is
my understanding, this is what we agreed to. I'm now
being prevented from achieving those targets because of things outside
of my control. Where do we go from here? They

(01:40:13):
have to engage with you in good faith and see
if you can come to some sort of arrangement. If
you can't, you've potentially got grounds for acclaim. But that's
obviously going to be burning some bridges. So see if
you can come to an arrangement with your employer. First,
it sounds like it's not your fault. You can't do
anything about it if they don't have the stock, and

(01:40:34):
they'd be pretty unreasonable not to accept that.

Speaker 7 (01:40:38):
Yeah, brilliant, Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
Good luck with good luck. Yeah, great question.

Speaker 3 (01:40:42):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call if you want to tip through your question.
Nine two ninety two is the number will place a
few messages shortly.

Speaker 2 (01:40:50):
Okay, so we do one more text for the message
for that. How long can an employer withhold final pay
pending return of property and final paperwork being completed? That
seems like there's a bit of a story under that.

Speaker 29 (01:41:04):
Why aren't you returning the company property? I think that
that's the real question there. Yeah, yeah, this is one
of those situations where in a lot of employment agreements,
the employee agrees that our final pay can be withheld
until certain items are returned. Of course, the legal position

(01:41:26):
is a little bit more tricky than that, and so yes,
we need more information. But if you hold company property
and you're not giving it back, maybe the employers and
titled to withhold pay. Whether whether that's strictly legal or not,
it's another story.

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
It sounds like a dangerous standoff, right there, doesn't it
It does.

Speaker 3 (01:41:48):
Someone's got to make a move, that is, someone's got
to take a shot or the other.

Speaker 2 (01:41:52):
I'd return the property. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 29 (01:41:54):
It's amazing how some people get awfully attached to their
work uniform for a place that they don't work in anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
Yeah, might even be a work car.

Speaker 3 (01:42:01):
I mean, that's something you want to give back.

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
I'm never giving back the stapler that I took home
the other day.

Speaker 3 (01:42:07):
That is a very nice stay. Got to say, Oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number to call.
It is twenty two to four back very shortly with
Gareth Abdenor Matt.

Speaker 1 (01:42:15):
Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on Oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams
Afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:42:23):
They'd be very good afternoon to you. We are joined
by Gareth abden Or. He's an employment, workplace and information
expert and director of Abdenal Employment Law. He has taken
your questions you've got a problem in the workplace. He's
the man to chat to if you're an employer that
needs a bit of advice. Now's your opportunity. Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty, Kevin, what have you got for Gareth?

Speaker 4 (01:42:42):
YEA, how's again, I was full time work, was involved
in a little of an accident, pretty much, I had
an excellent of the work truck. I got put from
full time to casual because no truck, no work. I'm
trying to move into another job. Am I approached by
the other employer to still stay with them? Or can

(01:43:04):
I move into another job right with another employer?

Speaker 29 (01:43:10):
Yeah, and unless there's some sort of restriction medically on
the work you can do.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
I'm not aware of.

Speaker 29 (01:43:21):
Any restriction that would prevent you from applying to move
to a new employer.

Speaker 4 (01:43:28):
I just I just thought I might be obliged with
the contact that I worked on with a casual contract,
whether I still go back to them, or whether I
could move it to another full time job with somebody else.

Speaker 29 (01:43:41):
Yeah, I mean if if you're truly on a casual contract.

Speaker 4 (01:43:46):
Well, it wasn't in the until the war call was
or appeared, and then I would possibly moved back into
a full time employment. But it's already been four months
and I'm not too four whether some employment at gable,
whether I stayed with the current employer or not. So
I have an illegal ground just move on or.

Speaker 29 (01:44:09):
It's pretty unusual for you not to be able to
resign from your employment and move to a new employer.
There may be a notice period that you have to give,
and so I would look at the documentation that you've got,
but I would be very surprised if you can't resign
and move to a new job. Check your contract and

(01:44:32):
that's the starting point.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
Thank If you call Kevin this Texas says I'm in sales.
What can I do if I'm being pressured to bring
in sales as if it's my fault when it doesn't happen.
But I'm doing my job and logging all my visits.
Problem is our price is crap against competitors, and we
have no incentives, incentives or primo stuff as your product
crap as well.

Speaker 29 (01:44:55):
Yeah, it doesn't sound like you've got great faith or
the offering that makes it feel.

Speaker 2 (01:45:01):
Doesn't it scrub up your CV?

Speaker 8 (01:45:03):
Maybe?

Speaker 2 (01:45:03):
Yes?

Speaker 29 (01:45:03):
Yeah, totally. I mean this is something that happens all
the time. If you're doing your best and you're still
not making the sales, you need to communicate that to
your employer. It may be that the expectations are unreasonable.
Of course, every time I see someone that is not
making sales, it's not their fault.

Speaker 3 (01:45:25):
Yeah, this is a great text, Kay Gareth Tyler and
Triple story.

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
Matt.

Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
If I have a contract where I am a transport operator,
I have been asked to be on the books as
an employee, but they won't allow it. But in my
contract as a contractor, I cannot do work anywhere else.
What is the law in regards to this?

Speaker 29 (01:45:44):
Yeah, I wish I could sum that up in a
nice SoundBite, but it's quite a complicated thing. Essentially, it
comes down to are you in business on your own account?
Are you running your own business? Are you actually a contractor?
If not, there's a very strong likelihood that you're actually

(01:46:05):
an employee. Often people try and set things up so
that the worker is a contractor. There are benefits for
the worker and for the business, but often this is
actually employment in disguise.

Speaker 3 (01:46:19):
So quite often in that situation, does it come down,
are they quite often fixed term contracts as a contractor
that you cannot do work for anybody else during that
time period or is that a step further even still?

Speaker 29 (01:46:32):
Yeah, once once you're preventing a worker from working for
someone else, often they're not a contractor, because that's quite
an unusual thing. If they are actually running their own business. Generally,
they are actually an employee and you're all pretending that
they are a contractor. That's all fine and dandy while

(01:46:54):
it while it lasts and everybody's happy, but as soon
as it goes pear shaped, it's generally the company that's
running the risk.

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
Yeah, very good, Jason, your question for Gareth.

Speaker 28 (01:47:05):
Yeah, aky, guys. We just had our our financial year
come to an end in April, but because we own
a business overseas and their financial year is July, two
months after our financial year, we were notified that our
financial year was changing, so we're due bonuses, etc. Which

(01:47:27):
was all wrapped up in April until we received this
email in May saying that the financial year was now changing.
So I don't know whether to expect fifteen months with
a bonus or what's really happening from there.

Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
Complish.

Speaker 29 (01:47:44):
Yeah, that's a messy situation for sure. At the risk
of being repetitive, you should really be asking your employer that.
But if it's clear that you're entitled to a bonus
based on the original financial year, that would be the
starting point. They can't usually just change that without getting

(01:48:06):
agreement from you, and certainly just changing the financial year.
If that has a negative consequence for you, you may have
grounds for a claim. So first engage with your employer
ask them to clarify. I think that's a pretty legitimate
thing to ask.

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
Guys, can you give me that sale guy's number? I
think we're working for the same company. A lot of
people in that same situation where they're starting to sell
a crap product for too much and being expected to
do miracles, and the sales find another job.

Speaker 3 (01:48:38):
Yeah, one hundred and eighty eight is the number.

Speaker 2 (01:48:41):
Call Chris your question.

Speaker 25 (01:48:45):
Yes, I work for a government agency and I got
my final pay. It was was a one month's notice clause. However,
didn't give them one month, but they owed.

Speaker 12 (01:49:00):
It to me.

Speaker 25 (01:49:01):
With all that and all the other entitlements like leave
and stuff. If they partially paid you one lot of
leaves that was owed to you. But oh, do you
other entitlements like well which there was, or the or

(01:49:23):
the remainder leave. Do they have to text you again
for the for the remainder leave or other entitlements then
being income tax and stuff? You know you know what
I'm talking about.

Speaker 29 (01:49:42):
Yeah, I think I know where you're coming from. What
people are often surprised with their final pay. Is that
when you get the lump sum payment, the tax consequences
are often a bit of a negative surprise, and you
do end up paying more tax than you anticipate. Of course,

(01:50:02):
at the end of the tax year when you do
your tax return, that often it's washed up and any
amount that you've paid over what you expected gets refunded
to you. So it's not unusual to get taxed more
than you expect in the final pay because it's such
a big payment. It's not your regular fortnightly or weekly

(01:50:24):
or monthly pay.

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
All right, that helps, Chris Simon, you'll be our last call.
What's your question for Gareth?

Speaker 30 (01:50:33):
Gooday, guys, how are you very good?

Speaker 12 (01:50:37):
Gareth?

Speaker 30 (01:50:38):
I'm currently on a salary. I'm contracted to forty hours
a week, A couple of days a couple of weeks
ago I worked a weekend. Would I be entitled to
a holidays last day at Loop?

Speaker 29 (01:50:55):
No, not not unless there's something in your agreement that
specifically provides for that. It's generally accepted that if you're
paid a salary from time to time, you will have
to work extra hours, and it really comes down to
whether that's considered reasonable or not. If you work one

(01:51:16):
weekend over a twelve month period, it's likely that you're
expected to take that on the chin. If you're working
one weekend every single month in addition to your normal hours,
then I would certainly be taking that up with the employer.

Speaker 4 (01:51:35):
Okay, well that sucks, yeah, it does.

Speaker 25 (01:51:40):
All though.

Speaker 29 (01:51:42):
For most people, the salary does build in a little
bit of fat, a little bit of cushion, and so
you do get more than if you were just getting
paid an hourly rate. And it's on the basis that
from time to time you will have to work a
bit extra.

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
All right, that helps, Simon.

Speaker 3 (01:52:00):
Yeah, good luck with that, Gareth. That is all the
time we have. Man, it goes fast, Thank you very much. Again,
we'll catch in about a month's time. We've got hundreds
of teach lined up ready to go. But stay warm
down there.

Speaker 29 (01:52:12):
I will do. Thanks you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:52:13):
Lovely scarf you've got on there.

Speaker 3 (01:52:17):
Yeah, you got the skis weeked up? How the mountains
looking down there?

Speaker 29 (01:52:20):
I'll tell you what. This snow is looking beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:52:23):
Lucky bugger, you lucky bugger. Yeah, all right, Mate're seeing
about a month's time, that is, Gareth ab doenor Employment
Workplace an information expert. If you want to get a
hold of him, just go to ab donor law dot
n Z. And just a reminder, the content of the
segment is general in nature and is not legal advice.
Any information discussed is not intended to be a substitute
for obtaining specific professional advice and shouldn't be relied upon

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