Full Show Podcast: 10 December 2025

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 10th of December 2025 - the Greens are asking for an inquiry into the numbers of Kiwis who can't come home for Christmas as they'll get into strife over unpaid student loans that were getting out of control with compounding interest.

Then, taking pride in your berm or grass verge.

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello, go to New Zealanders, and welcome to Matt and
Tyler Full Show Podcast number two sixty one four Wednesday,
the tenth of December twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Is it's still still just yeah, it's another twenty days? Wait,
what's that? No, you just mentioned the date. What's the
date again? It's the tenth of December. So yeah, twenty
days today, that's we want to be panic.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Twenty one days remaining in this year. Boy rinted after
that show, it was there was there was a lot
going on on us. We went on a real journey
and we didn't do one of the subjects.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Do we mention it now? Oh, we have to because
that's the whole point of it. So we were going
to talk about the duty old council taking or demolishing
the kids bike jumps that they had created themselves in
totong or was it in totong A.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, I didn't get to that because we we we
were eviscerating people that don't pay back their student loans
and go overseas for two hours.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Well, we were not so much us but the callers.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
But it was a great chat and Tyler admitted that
he supports criminal activity and the show really took a
turn there with the levels of abuse that were coming
in for you, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yeah, there'll be some BSA complaints so and probably an
audit from the ID. But that's right, that's right. I
asked for it.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
And Tom sains rejoins us as well, and he's always
a great New Zealand to the chat too.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Great show, so download, subscribe and give us a review. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Hey, and if you're an Auckland tonight I'm performing in
the Christmas play Christmas and Chaos.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
No a Christmas Crisis, a Christmas Crisis. You've got your script?
Throw it doesn't it?

Speaker 4 (01:56):
Does?

Speaker 3 (01:56):
He have the title on the script. It's got your
your lines and I know you're diligent. Yeah, you've got
to do some dancing between somewhere. Yep.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
It's at the Key Theater. I think there's a couple
of tickets left. There's a few tickets left if you
want come along to that. It should be a hell
of a good time. Written by Tom Sainsbury.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
It looks like a brilliant show, so get in early
but a panto, all right, do you seem busy?

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Will let you listen to the podcast, give a taste
to keepy from us?

Speaker 3 (02:19):
All right?

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Then love you the big stories, the big issues, the
big trends and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler
Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Be very good afternoon cheer. Welcome into a Wednesday show.
So good to have you with us as always now,
Matt Heath, Yes, Tyler Adams, I see you're looking a
bit stressed over there, made a little bit nervous. You've
got a whole bunch of papers in your hand and
it appears to be some sort of script.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Okay, well, look, I'm totally focused on the show and
zioned in, but I'm also performing in a play tonight
at the Q Theater, Our Good Christmas and Crisis, a
play written by Tom Sainsbury. And so I've got a
lot of lines here to make sure I know before
opening night tonight. And yeah, so this is my first line. Yep,

(03:11):
wee must welcome dear friends. Were just lovers and foes.
Here's a Christmas detale of four different woes.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
And then I've got pages and pages. There's about three
hundred lines and there you nailed that first one. But
I was reading that. God speak to you, man, I mean,
have you you've done it by memory? Would you get
to take that into the theater with you? Look, we'll
see how we go, and apparently can I can I
mention this there as you were reading it you didn't
realize yourself, but about midway through the script that's required
that you stand up and dance. Yeah, I didn't know

(03:39):
that when I signed on.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
I don't know that I'm going to have to do
a little dance with a dance troupe halfway through.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
We'll go. Well, mate, I'm looking forward to coming on down.
I'm going to buy a ticket just to sit.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, I think it's close to sold out. Where can
you get tickets?

Speaker 3 (03:53):
So if you go to Q Theater dot co, dot
nd it and search for a Christmas crisis. But you're right,
these bugger all tickets left for the opening night. You're
part of the opening night as well, which you didn't know.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Okay, but look, I'll put the script aside and I'll
focus on the key issue for keywis that we're discussing on.
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams on z B right now
undred eighteen eighty.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yes, Well, just a quick preview to the show. After
three o'clock, we want to have a chat about booms.
So there's a story in the detail which looks into
all the complaints that councils are received over the last year.
So there's the regular ones, the roadworks are up there,
the stray dogs. But the issue that really seems to
get people hot under the coolis boom. So many complaints

(04:37):
about the booms. It's council property. Why aren't you sorting it?
I'm going to drown it and round up people just
freak out over the idea of booms. And I was
reading that story and I was thinking, why there's a
beautiful satisfaction and the loveliness about going out on the berm,
sorting it out and taking pride in the community that
you live in. I love miying my burn boom. I

(05:01):
think it's great.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
What kind of person doesn't, what kind of property owner
doesn't take pride in their boom?

Speaker 3 (05:10):
I agree? What's wrong with you? Yeah? The boom is great.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
It's there's something about mowing your berm that's so meditative,
and my boom's beautiful and must Yeah, and some people
go crazy on their berms and they plant things. There's
a fantastic boom in my neighborhood where they're trying to
run some kind of wild garden where they've created it
for the bees. You you can do a lot of

(05:35):
expression on the berms, but you've got to look after
your berms otherwise you're a complete loser.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, burn pride. That is after three o'clock. After two
o'clock the bulldoze in of jumps on a popular handbuilt
bike track and Totonger has been described as devastating and
gutting by users now taking a stand to save the
track from complete closure. So these are jumps on the
pillion road track and they were removed by the totong
A City Council in less than an hour without any consultation.

(06:01):
The tracks and the jumps were built by the children
themselves themselves, so the council. I mean, it's always about safety.
It's too safe. But obviously parents are saying pull your
head in.

Speaker 5 (06:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
I mean, so some kids, in this time of hanging
around in your house spending time on screen, some kids
have gone out and done an old school thing, which
is essentially building a ramp. They've built stuff for their
mountain biking track, and the council's response to that isn't
that's awesome, how good? How fantastic for the community. It's

(06:33):
so good that kids want to be involved in outdoor sports.
They're like, nah, shut it down. So are we just
making things too safe for key we kids? Because making
things too safe is making things boring, and boring will
force them onto video games at home, which aren't boring.
So isn't this exactly the kind of thing that we

(06:55):
should be encouraging.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, that's going to be a great chat after two o'clock,
But right now, let's have a chat about student debt
and student loans. The Green Party seys it' stoping New
Zealanders coming home for Christmas. It's surveyed around four hundred
expats and they say they found seventy one percent were
over due and eighty two percent were worried about coming
home because of their lone. I've called for across parliamentary inquiry.

(07:17):
Spokesperson Lawrence zu Nan. He spoke to a Ryan Bridge
and Ryan actually asked them, so what do they want
out of this?

Speaker 6 (07:25):
I think the main thing with the report is that
we have identified an issue and now we're asking for
a non parlatan solution to it as an inquiry to
the SOLIDT Committee.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Right, is it a problem that they're not coming home?

Speaker 6 (07:36):
Well, I think anyone who you know, obviously New Zealanders
that if they want to be reunited with their families
and with their parents and their loved ones seeing autio
in New Zealand, they should absolutely pay the d well.
For a lot of them, as you's seeing the report,
that it's sometimes out of their own control, whether dead
actually accrued and also it's you know, expanded to such an.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Extent what exactly about it was out of the control.

Speaker 6 (08:00):
This is why they were asking for inquiry because there
was a number of loopholes.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
Number one.

Speaker 6 (08:04):
One of the things we look at is the fact
that sometimes when they're going overseas, they didn't realized or
couldn't pay for a small amount of loan that they have,
but over time it compounded in terms of arrears and
now it comes becomes after twenty years something that becomes unaffordable.
That's one perspective. The other perspective they simply are not.
Then by idea they have a long a number of

(08:26):
them will have dead easily over fifty thousand dollars and
they are going to be slapped with an increase in
terms of seeing along an increase in terms of the
arrears and the long the interest rate on their debt.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
So should overseas kiwis be charged for these student loans
or do you think that whether they you know that
they go knowing the roles the text pairs of you know,
should they as a difficult This is what the inquiry
would look at. Let's just try and unpack this. Yeah,

(08:58):
this is what the inquiry would look at. Whether the
penalty system is disproportionately punitive with the interest for overseas borrowers,
is fear or counterproductive? How much did it realistically recoverable?
Whether the current system contributes to a brain drain, options
for modernizing repayment system for the global workforce. So I

(09:18):
don't know, like the taxpayer is covering these student loans
at this point, right, And a university degree is what
you pay when you borrow the money when the government
lends you the money. Isn't all of the degree, it's
a small percentage of degree. So what they're kind of

(09:39):
saying is that someone that's run up a debt paying
a small amount of the degree should then have. If
they go overseas and don't pay it, then that's where
what we should be worrying about. We should be having
empathetic feelings towards them.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
That's what the Green Party is saying.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
And I get the brain drain thing because say someone
has gone on and been very successful overseas. But then again,
if they've been very successful overseas and we want them
to come back, then they can pay their line. They
can pay their line.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Yeah, I'm just running through this on my in my
head because obviously the incentive to stay here as you've
get yet interest free student loan. I had that with mine.
I stayed in the country and I paid mine off,
but I didn't have to pay any interest because I
stayed in the country. If they were to change the
rules to say you can go overseas for three years
and maintain that interest free benefit, but you've got to
come back after three years, would anyone have a problem
with that because that's allowing young Kiwis to maybe get

(10:32):
some expertise, but it is encouraging them to come back
home and use those skills in New Zealand. So it's
a wee bit of a carrot situation.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Because right now that grace period is six months. Yeah correct, yeah, yeah,
But you know I went to university, I got a
student loan and I paid that student loan back. Took
me a while, yep, but I paid it back. And
when I started going to university there was interest on
your student loans.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
That would have helped.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
That's before they got rid of interest. So it's already
a pretty generous scheme if you think about it. So
you go to a tertiary institution and look, there's there's
discussions about the amount tertiary and institutions charge you and
certain crazy courses that Auckland University enforced on its students
and essentially stole money an opportunity from young people.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Let's not open up that candle wounds.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
But you buy them arguably apart from that case, to
benefit yourself, correct, to better yourself, righty, And the taxpayer
of New Zealand is willing to forward you that money
so you can make a start in your life, right, yes,
whilst backing you up with the rest of the cost
of going to the university.

Speaker 5 (11:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
And then not only that, but you get to pay
that loan back interest free.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
If you stay in the country, it's not a bad deal.
It's not a bad deal.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
And if you go overseas then you have to pay
it back at standard rates based on how much you Oh.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah, so, I mean that's the confusing part about the
brain drain is because that argument doesn't I mean, it's
almost oxymeronic that the whole idea by having the benefit
of having no interest being on the ground in New
Zeland is to have that extra push to say, hey,
stay here, you can get your education here, but we
want your skills, so we'll give you this, we benefit, this,

(12:17):
we bonus.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, and that the idea that these are the smartest
people that at the same time we have to believe
that they weren't capable of working out what the loan
repayment system was, so how much brain is being drained?
If that's your thing. They couldn't work out how much
they had to pay back.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Yeah, oh, eight hundred's written on the bit of paper
you sign mate, love to hear your thoughts on this.
I one hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two ninety
two is the text. If you've got a child overseas
with student did and they don't want to come home
from Christmas, really keen to ever chat with you? How
did they get themselves into that situation? And I imagine for
some of those parents, you've got to try and help
your kid out of that if they've got stuck with
too much interest.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
I tell her, I know, mate, I've got a mate
who's moved overseas straight after UNI and he's run up
quite a debt yep, and he is one of these people,
one of the eighty two percent that are anxious.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
He's not coming home for Christmas.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
I love him, yeah, but I don't have a lot
of sympathy.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
For It's seventeen pass one big, very shortly, the.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons used talks, it'd.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Be twenty past one. So the Green Party wants an
inquiry into former students who are overseas with student debts
and now they don't want to come home for Christmas
because they haven't paid it back. What do you say
eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
I'm not saying a lot of sympathy right here. Seventy
when we set of overseas borrowers are behind on their
student loan repayments, and eighty two percent say they're worried
or extremely worried about the loan.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
Just pay your debts, fellers and girls.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
I mean, anytime I've had debts, I'm worried or extremely
worried about it. Does it mean that people need to
feel sorry for me over them? Nigel, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
Yeah, they guys have a good mate.

Speaker 5 (14:03):
It's having me on.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Thanks for giving us a buzz. So what do you reckon?
Should they should we be be leaning in on these
guys or nah?

Speaker 5 (14:11):
Nah, not at all?

Speaker 7 (14:12):
The investing in there in the education for themselves to
better themselves. And you know I went overseas when I
was in my mid twenties. I had probably an excess
tocivty thousand dollars in student loan. Was in kicks back
from London and to my parents to catch them and
pop them in my my student loan account. And I

(14:33):
only just finished straying off was stent loan about three
years ago.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
So so how long did that take?

Speaker 3 (14:40):
How long did that take you?

Speaker 7 (14:41):
That could be you know, twenty something years to pay
that off.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
So you so just go back a little bit because
I missed that. So you are overseas for a period
of time that you are having to pay that interest
on it.

Speaker 8 (14:53):
Yeah, to be.

Speaker 7 (14:54):
Classic q EO for a couple of years living in Louptontown.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
So yeah, yes, So now I now have a child
that's off the UNI. Oh yeah right, And so is
your child getting a student.

Speaker 9 (15:05):
Loans only for we?

Speaker 7 (15:08):
Actually probably not. My wife and I have decided that
we're obviously got the means to be able to support
support support him in his endeavors and the rest. He's
actually worked hard for himself, so he should be able
to pay off his or pay his his sees at least,
which is current savings.

Speaker 9 (15:27):
So yeah, if.

Speaker 7 (15:29):
Anything, he may get a small student loan to cover
some of their debt further down the track a good
work ethor and and you know, end of the day,
that needs to be repaid and it should be repaid.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
I'm just thinking about this right now, and I haven't
really thought this through clearly, but if you've got the
ability to get an interest free loan, is there some
way that parents could gain the system? If you see
what I'm saying, because you take my wife as well.

Speaker 7 (15:57):
A little bone of contenson at the moment. But hey,
you know, we've got the means both of us got
a better educated ourselves, and we've got ourselves into into
a position now through through through good jobs.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
And careers to do that that luxury back of the day.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, and what era did you go to university in, Nigel?

Speaker 7 (16:19):
So I was in the late nineties, the.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Right, So.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Oh yeah, good, yes, good good, good good people in target,
good place to go to university.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Yeah, yep, terrible behavior but a great time.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Hey, yeah, you know a couches bent a certain amount
of student loans ends up against walls is just say that.
But but you would so you wouldn't have been that
far after because of course what year was it about
ninety one that it came and that people had to
that that fees came into two because because in the

(16:54):
eighties they had it pretty good, didn't they they?

Speaker 7 (16:58):
I was, I was a time where you could obviously
get your living costs as well as your as well
as your fees.

Speaker 9 (17:03):
But we're also.

Speaker 7 (17:04):
Paying interest on that amount as well.

Speaker 10 (17:06):
So my bed's.

Speaker 9 (17:07):
Interested to try and yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 (17:09):
Could you know, and it wor I'll always worked so
and I pay my taxes, and I think anybody else
should be exactly in the same boat.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Can you remember what the interest was before they they
made the student loans.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Interest somewhere around Yes, so there was that's high.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
So at that point there were being a reasonably tough
bank the government.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
It was a good business.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yeah, But I think what happened was that it used
to be that very few people went to university, and
then the government and you know, New Zealand as a
whole decided to become a knowledge economy, which made backfire
with AI coming in, but anyway, and so so many
more people decided to go to UNI. So we just
couldn't afford to pay for it anymore. It used to
be quite a rare thing for people to go to
university up until the you know, the eighties. But yeah, good, good,

(17:58):
good on you, Nigel. I just paid yours off. So
so you don't have a lot of sympathy for people
overseas that are anxious and worried they can't get back
into the country because they're not paying back student loans.

Speaker 7 (18:10):
It's called budgetings, and they're investing in themselves in New
Zealand and effects of invested in them and so they
have a duty I would be to pay that money
that that we're done, and in some stage most chemis
do come back to live in New Zealand and if
they want to enjoy you know, the freedoms and the
wilds that we gets as chemis, and they should pay

(18:30):
the texts at the cord only and pay their pit back.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
You're not worried about the brain drain factor that the
Green Party are bringing up, that these people, these geniuses
aren't coming back into the country to share their amazing
knowledge with us because they haven't paid off their loans overseas.

Speaker 7 (18:46):
Look, I've got those genius that are making a lot
of money and therefore at least they have the ability
to pay back.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yeah if and you know they studied accountancy. I don't
think we want those guys. They can stay where they are.
That's a good point. Thank you so much for your call, Nigel.
It is twenty five past one taking your calls on
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Beggary surely.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Lines and the hard questions. It's the mic casking breakfast.

Speaker 11 (19:12):
Back to the business of RMA reform. Chris Bishop is
the RMA reform Minister. Now this requires counsels to plan.
Is it thirty years in advance?

Speaker 4 (19:19):
Yes, spacial plans will be thirty years in its now.

Speaker 11 (19:21):
Have we ever in this country planned thirty years in
advance for anything?

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Well, Auckland is required to do a spacial plan now.

Speaker 12 (19:29):
But the types of plans we're talking about, the answer
is known.

Speaker 13 (19:31):
Do you have.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Confidence we can?

Speaker 11 (19:32):
It cost us millions to make plans, and we fight
about it. And some of the plans that were designed
a decade ago still aren't completely enforced and are still
in courts I know.

Speaker 12 (19:40):
And that's why we're making the plan making process a
lot simpler.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Heather Duplicy Ellen on the My Asking Breakfast Back tomorrow
at six am with Bailey's Real Estate on News togs EDB.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Twenty eight pass once we're talking about student debt overseas.
The Greens want some sort of inquiry because they say,
a whole bunch of apparently very bright key we don't
want to come home for Christmas because they haven't paid
their loan and they're getting anxious.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Eighty one percent of them are feeling anxious at this
time of year because they haven't paid off their debts
back at home and and they're behind. So when you
go overseas, these are the minimum and your repayments, and
you can see why they don't. They don't tie it
to earnings overseas because it's hard for us to know
what the earnings are overseas. So up to fifteen thousand
New Zealand dollars earning owing when you're overseas with a

(20:25):
student loan, you pay three thousand dollars per year. Fifteen
to thirty K you pay five thousand dollars per year,
thirty K to sixty K you pay seven thousand dollars
a year, and over sixty K the minimum repayment is
eight thousand dollars per year.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
And then there's interest yes as well. So I've just
had a look at that interest rate that if you're overseas,
and they change it each year, but the start of
this year it's four point nine percent per year.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Well, you know we're talking to Nigel before and this
text of Bill's got a really good point. So we
were talking about how when student loans first came in,
they were there was you had to pay interest on them.
It was around eight percent that you were paying before
they made it interest free. But mortgage rates were twenty
percentage back there in the early nineties, so an eight
percent student loan would have being seen as a bit
of a bargain back there. It just seems like a

(21:10):
huge percentage today and interest right now. Yeah, our way
of thinking this, this text has a really good point.
The Green minister is off the planet. These overseas ex
students aren't even contributing towards tax funding that pays for
the loan as they're working over offshore, not New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
Good point.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
It's a simple stay overseas and dodge your debt and
responsibility which will one day catch up with you, or
come home, pay your debt and then feel free to
buger off again. But for the bleeding heart to come
out and say, oh but it's Christmas, I'm sorry on
this one. I'm going to be the Christmas Grinch.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Great text, that one. Keep them coming through. On nine
two ninety two, we've got the headlines coming up. Then
after that we're have a chat to Carol and she
says this dries her absolutely nuts, so she's fired up
about it. To that next.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
I'm not seeing a lot of sympathy in the in
the in the text machine or on the call so
so far so do you have sympathy e one hundred
and eighty ten eighty for people that have run up
a student loan, have gone overseas and have got behind
in their repayments to the point where kid to come
home just in case they're get in trouble.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
Come on through twenty nine to two.

Speaker 14 (22:16):
Deuce talks evy headlines with blue bubble taxis it's no
trouble with a blue bubble.

Speaker 15 (22:22):
A report's revealed six hundred and eight million women across
the world aged fifteen and older were subjected to intimate
partner violence. In twenty twenty three, the parole boards lifted
double murderer Mark Lundy's curfew. Is now allowed to speak
to journalists and can visit social media sites. He was
released from prison in May. Fire and emergency were called

(22:44):
to a well involved house fire on Paddington Street today
in christ Church's Northkite. It hasn't been flagged as suspicious.
The tourism sectors looking healthy heading into summer. Statsn's figure
show overseas arrivals reached ninety three percent of pre COVID
levels in October. Wellington's controversial city to see Bridge maybe

(23:05):
getting a reprieve from demolition plans because of changes to
the quake prone building system. Holiday and kee we Cop
from Waikato has been thanked for helping in the tar
of London when protest has plung custard and fruit crumble
at the Crown Jewels on Saturday inside the one hundred
million dollar Kota Hitanga Fund bid to scale the Marii economy.

(23:30):
You can read more at inzid Herald Premium. Back to
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So we are talking
about student debts. This is after the Green Party wants
a parliamentary inquiry because they say that that debt is
stopping New Zealanders coming home for Christmas.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
This Texas says, if these people are so smart, surely
they are working in jobs that can afford three k
per year. It's their problem, know something at all? I
mean that is a little bit of a problem here
because the Green Party is wanting us to believe that
not only are these people so smart that we need
them home to combat the brain drain, that we have

(24:10):
to believe that, but they're so smart that we need
them back. But they weren't smart enough to understand the
loan problems when they were leaving the country or the
loan obligations when they're leaving the country, and they're also
not successful enough over there to pay their loan back.
So I mean, is this really? Is this really the
brightest and best?

Speaker 3 (24:31):
Does they seem like it? Are they?

Speaker 4 (24:33):
You know?

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Bless them? The sixth you should always have empathy for
those who are in trouble. As a taxpayer, I would
have no problem with helping these young people pay off
their debts so they can come home. These are our
smartest and brightest. I'm pushing back. I don't know if
they are our smartest and brightest. And if you've got
no problem as a taxpayer paying back, why would you
pay back their debt the people that have gone overseas

(24:55):
and aren't contributing through their tax dollars to New Zealand
to pay back the other eighty percent of what it
costs to educate them that they're not even owing owing.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
Why would you do that.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Then and not pay for the pay off the loans
for the people that stay in New Zealand and contribute
to the tax poll for future people to be educated,
and for future people to borrow money, but you pay
off these people that have gone over say that. I
think you need to do a logic test. Text on
that text, a logic check on that text.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Text keep them going through A nine two nine to two, Carol,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 16 (25:32):
Hi guys, this comes from every year. It drives me nuts.
Those who are scared to come home signed a contract.
They have not returned the money, so it's effectively they
have stolen. The government has no money, so they've stolen
from the taxpayer. They all need to put their big

(25:52):
boy and girl pants on and pay up. If they
had loaned you or I, let's say fifty grand, do
you think they'd want the money back? And why shouldn't
we want the money back? Because every single one of
them would say, I'm sorry, Carol, I lent you fifty grand.

(26:13):
When are you paying me back? There is absolutely no excuse.
They signed a contract, they made a deal with us,
every single one of us who live here, and they're
coming back and saying, oh, I can't come home for
Christmas because I have broken there all. But also the
government stupid. We had COVID. We had thousands of people

(26:35):
come back who were put in hotels for a week
or two weeks or whatever the timeline was. And the
ID who was asked often, why are you not having
conversations with these people who are coming back, who are
us money and they didn't want to upset people because
of COVID. I'm sorry, What.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Did COVID have to do with upsetting them on debt?
That's a weird, weird mass, isn't it? Like COVID is
so bad that people couldn't discuss anything else. I mean,
talk to people in the trenches, the trench that used
to have to deal with multiple things, multiple threats at
the same time. Do you worry at all? Do you
worry it all, Carol? About the brain drain part of it?
That we've got these brightest and best that are that

(27:19):
are want to come home, and they want to have families,
and we do need more people in the country, and
we do want expats to come home. Are you worried
that we're missing out on those people coming home because
they're scared because they now owe too much money?

Speaker 16 (27:36):
No, not in an effect, because I don't want I mean,
they're thieves, So do we want thieves back in the country.
It doesn't matter how brainy they are or how high
they're so called education or what they're earning now they
have stolen from the people.

Speaker 5 (27:50):
What about it soon to pay it that?

Speaker 3 (27:52):
Yep, And I think that it's a lot of logic there.
But what about an incentive that they can go away
and train up or try and get some greater skills
and earn more money overseas. But that incentive is say
you get interest free for three years, and at that point,
if you don't come home and use those skills to
help this country, then we'll lump the interest back on.

Speaker 6 (28:12):
You know.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
It's that carrot versus the stick approach that sometimes sometimes
can be beneficial.

Speaker 16 (28:18):
Yes, that is a good idea, but when there's the
Green Party are wanting us to assist them, Well, if
you're going to assist, let's say there's just ten thousand
of them overseas, then you need to actually give a
payment to every other person who actually took out a loan,
stayed here and paid it off. They're the ones who
should get priority, not the ones who are thieves.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
I guess it's simple.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
I guess I can say sort of a bit of
a problem with your idea there, Tyler, But then you'd
be incentivizing people to just gap it as soon as
they've got their degree. And as we're putting out, eighty
percent of your degree is paid for. You know, the
alone only covers a small percentage of the cost it
takes to put you through university. Right, so if you've
got that three years, then you're going to centivize people

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to gap it straight after university, and then if they
really succeed overseas, then they're not going to come back.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
Yeah, that's fair. You'd have to offer a sweeter deal
for people to stay here. And I don't know what
that sweeter deal is because it's already pretty sweet and
forest free. It's not a bad deal. Yeah, thank you
so much for you call Carol. Appreciate it. Oh eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call if you have got into trouble with your student
loan overseas. Love to hear from you. What are your
thoughts on this and how the Green Party wants us
to all forgive some of that debt. Love to hear

(29:30):
from You nine two ninety two's the text.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
This is an interesting point. Shouldn't they not be allowed
to leave the country until the loan is paid off?
Or so they should be signed up to work in
New Zealand for a said amount of years to give
back to the country the part of their education that
they haven't covered in their low Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Interesting point.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
So if you've run up one hundred thousand dollars loan,
you know, let's just say, I'm just pulling that number
out of my butt. That'll be at the upper range. Yep,
and you haven't paid it back. Should you be allowed
to leave the country. I guess that's I guess it's
hard to say why someone's leaving the country. They might
just be going on a holiday to the Goldie.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Yeah, yeah, true, Yeah, I mean maybe a bit of
a down payment before they go to Fiji. Yeah, yeah,
it's just twenty percent. I can see some facial extent.
It is nineteen to two, Beggary, surely Matt Heath Taylor
Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on Matt Heath
and Taylor Adams Afternoons news Talks. The'd be it is
sixteen to two. So the Green Party is calling for

(30:25):
a parliamentary inquiry into the debt that overseas former students
have because they can't pay it back, they say, and
they don't want to come home or they can't come
home for Christmas.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
And was in a great brain drain. But at the
same time, they has believe that they didn't understand the
conditions of their loan when they left. Meet them halfway,
says this texta wave interest of actively paying it back
at required rate per year double interest of not paying
it back. The problem is because they're overseas, they're not
paying their way in tax generally, so they're not helping
the widest system that funds the student loan interestry free

(30:58):
student loans and funds education in general, which they've profited
off in New Zealand. Yeah, and paying their tax to
another country's education system.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
And further that, I'm sure I've got the right because
I've known people in this situation that if you ring
up ird and so I've got myself into trouble with
my student debt, but I really love to come home
and work out a payment plan, then that is all
you need to do so effectively. Who they're talking about
here is students who will never ring ird. They're trying
to shirk away and they don't want to front up

(31:28):
and say yep, I'm sorry, oh this money let me,
let's let's sort it out. They don't want to do
that because as soon as they do that, they can
come over for Christmas. They can they can see the family.
But what do you say, Oh one hundred and eighty
ten eighty Kate, you've got two boys overseas.

Speaker 17 (31:42):
Oh yeah, hi, both of you.

Speaker 18 (31:43):
It's an interesting conversation. I'm just busy looking a bit
of lunch. I'm on a lunch break.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
What are you having for lunch?

Speaker 4 (31:49):
Kate?

Speaker 3 (31:49):
If you don't asking you so, I don't.

Speaker 18 (31:51):
Have to do it when I get home. It is
baking hot in the wire apper at the moment, so
I thought I'll get to you on early. Then I
don't have to do it after work. I have a sandwich.
Then it just brings you. Both My boys are overseas.
They both worked very hard before they went and paid
off their student loans because we've always been instilled in them.
You know, it's not good to have that hanging over you,

(32:12):
and it just adds complications.

Speaker 19 (32:14):
To your life.

Speaker 18 (32:15):
And luckily, my eldest boy got a job here and
the head offices in London, so he was able to
transfer and get some expense over there. But my other
boy went over there because he just couldn't find work here.
He worked really hard, got excellences in his degree and
couldn't get work, you know, for all that hard work.
And so he's now living the high life in Scotland.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
So is he would he want to come home now?

Speaker 4 (32:39):
You know?

Speaker 14 (32:40):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (32:40):
I think both of them will eventually. I think the
big lad is planning to come home next year. He's
kind of at the age now where he wants to
put down some routes that the younger Swan is sort
of living his life for a wee while and he's
They're able to because they've both got British pathports through me,
which makes makes it a lot easier.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
So when you say they worked really hard to pay
it and they pay it faster than they're required rate.

Speaker 18 (33:02):
Yeah, yeah, because you know, I said, look, you know,
if you can do it, let's paid off. You don't
want this dogging you and then you can go anywhere
in the world and you haven't got this hanging over
you like the Sordo demoicles.

Speaker 10 (33:12):
You know.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Yeah, hell long did it take?

Speaker 18 (33:15):
Oh well, I'm not sure it was different for each
of them, but you know, they were determined and work
dolling to mud and yeah, very proud of them.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
So are we talking a decade or five years or
three years or years well done? Because it's not easy,
as okid, I know. I mean, it took me a
long time to pay off mine and it wasn't there
but that large. So it's not easy to when you're
that age to pay it off.

Speaker 18 (33:36):
But if you're determined, and we made it possible, so
our youngest especially was able to live at home for
a minimal amount and just to help him along his way,
just so he could, you know, get that paid off
and favor but the money and go and see.

Speaker 17 (33:48):
The world for a bit.

Speaker 18 (33:49):
But it just seems such a shame that we are
losing so many of our youngest and brightest and you know,
we've got my son's friend is actually he got a PhD.
And he's doing cancer research and went over to he wow,
you know here and yet he's so bright and had
so much promise, but just nothing here for them.

Speaker 5 (34:10):
And it's so sad.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Are you are you? Lenisters?

Speaker 17 (34:15):
Am I not sorry?

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Lenisters?

Speaker 18 (34:18):
Leanisters?

Speaker 17 (34:19):
What's that?

Speaker 4 (34:20):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Well, just just this your your family's dedication to paying
off deck. It's a reference to game of Thrones that
Lenister always pays his debts.

Speaker 18 (34:28):
My some would have resonated with that big time.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
It's a good philosophy, big book.

Speaker 18 (34:38):
The name is familiar to me. Yeah, but yeah, I
just it's just the way we are as a family.
We just, you know, we don't like having debt hanging
over it, so you work hard to swear it and
get on with your life.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
So yeah, good, great family, Thank you very much. One
hundred and eighty. Teen eighty is the number to call.
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
I particularly worked hard specifically to pay off my student debt,
but I just started paying it off and then. And
I've always been a contractor, so I must have wilfully
decided to do it. My accountants did. Yeah, but it
just sort of just got paid off.

Speaker 20 (35:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
I was doing since working overseas and such.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
You were, Yeah, so hard. Hard is probably the wrong
word there. It was a long time because I didn't
do any work. It just came straight out of my salary.
You're right, I had no say of it. It just
came out. But it took I think about fifteen years,
and maybe I had fifty k. But keen to hear
from you, I eight hundred and eighty ten eighties. That
number nine to nine. Two's the text that is eleven
to two.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Matd Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams
Afternoons News Talks Envy.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
It is nine to two. This will fight up people.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yeah, I asked, I have to have anyone else here
out there that has, you know, feelings of empathy for
this person, people you know along the lines of green
mp Shu nann Has says that we should be looking
at helping these people out that have dead overseas, and
he's very worried about them coming into Christmas. But this
isn't a person has a lot of sympathy. All people
who any to New Zealand now and haven't paid. Cancel

(36:11):
their passports and their visas when they arrive back. Put
them in prison until the cases is heard. But a
lot of them will pay fast.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
Yeah, that's certainly the stick approach. It's a very big
stick approach. Yeah, if our prison's got room, Leslie, how
are you hey, good afternoon, and what's your thoughts about
the student loans?

Speaker 21 (36:33):
Well, my thoughts are if my children hadn't paid back
their student loans. I wouldn't want them to come home
for Christmas. Really, I mean it around the Christmas table
with your children who are not using their obligations absolutely bizarre.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
And do you have children?

Speaker 22 (36:51):
Yes?

Speaker 21 (36:51):
I have two. Both had student loans, not huge ones.
They were able to assist, but they I mean, that's
what you do. You pay back your debt.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
So you would say, don't you come round the Christmas
table and show your face to the family while you
gaveing the taxpayer overseas.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Absolutely no Christmas pudding for you until you pay your
pay your debts.

Speaker 19 (37:15):
No Christmas anything.

Speaker 21 (37:17):
Where where does it come from?

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Yeah? And would you describe your have you?

Speaker 4 (37:22):
Have you?

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Because you know, people forgive their kids a lot of stuff.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
People forgive their kids all kinds of terrible things.

Speaker 21 (37:28):
That the parents wanted to forgive their children. Then why
don't a parents pay it?

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yeah? I think that is the case sometimes, leslie that.
I mean, look, let's just play a hypothetical here. If
one of your your you said sons, right, daughters, daughters?
If one of your daughters rang you and said, look,
I'm really sorry, mum, I've got into a lot of trouble,
and I forgot about the interest, and now I'm in
debt to the ir D in six figures and I
need your help so so I can come home for Christmas.

(37:52):
What would you say to her? For you fair enough,
You're a great pearance. Thank you for your call, Leslie.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
You know this sort of you know relates to what
Lezzie was saying this text regarding student loans. I know
two men who have student loans outstanding, though they have
been out of New Zealand for twenty or more years.
They are both in their late forties. Both these men
have parents in New Zealand who travel to see their
kids overseas as the forty five year old kids four
or five four and five oh four and five year

(38:22):
old kids. I was going to say, they's just say
four hundred and five year old kid. Yeah, the four
hundred and five year old kid overseas is the four
and five year old kids cannot risk coming home and
then stopped them leaving. Neither of these men have had
big jobs, get financially by the skin of their teeth
and their parents help. Yeah, I mean, you can see

(38:43):
how that can happen. But the question really here is
should New Zealanders feel empathy for them, or if they have,
they made their own bed by going overseas and getting
in that position, and now the parents have to fly
over to see their grandchildren.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
It's a sad story, but there's a lot of hard
luck sad stories out there, and you know, I'm sorry
they've got themselves into that position. But that's personal responsibility,
isn't it.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
My daughter's overseas, didn't set up payments, got nabbed at customs.
She learned some line of life lessens.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Right at least have a quick chat to Chris. Chris,
we've got about a minute and a half.

Speaker 10 (39:16):
I know Tyler, I know you're up against the news,
Tyra Matt. Okay, here's a quick thing, because Tyler, you
know me very well. Now I've got too who pay
off their student loans. Luckily for them, fairly modest between
the two of them, about sixty grand. But from my
memory as a parent, I don't remember anything that they

(39:36):
signed up for Saint student loan of free money. I
talked to them. They knew it was a debt, okay,
both of them. It's probably taken them five or more
years to pay it down. But you know, like when
you've been away for twenty years, maybe I know you're

(39:58):
coming up against news. Maybe the government should be looking
about how they handle things, you know, to encourage people.
If you go overseas, still stands you've got to start
paying it.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
Yeah, thank you for your call, Chris. Yeah, I mean
there's a bit of personal responsibility. Thank you very much, Chris.
But you know, I think most people who take out
a student loan surely would understand they got to pay
that back. It's in the name itself.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
So when I got my student loan and I didn't
pay it back, but I was seventeen years old and
a complete more on Yeah, and I remember thinking I'm
never paying this back. Yeah, I'll never amount to anything.
I'll never have the money to pay this back.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
My course related costs did not go into my course.
That went straight to the bar. But yeah, I paid
it back. So thank you New Zealand. It was a
good night, little bit of snowboarding.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
Right.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
We're going to keep this going, so love to your thoughts.
I went under an eighty ten eighty. The Green Party
says we need to go easier on those with student
debt overseas. Why do you say nine two ninety two
is that text numbers stay right here, will be back
very shortly.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
It'd be hello, do you welcome back into the show?
Seven past too. So we're carrying on our discussion about
student debts for those Kiwi's living overseas. The Greens have
worn that New Zealanders who are in that situation cannot
come home for Christmas, and their survey found seventy one
percent were overdue on payments and eighty two percent were

(41:31):
worried about being stopped on the border when they did
try and come home. Worried, Yeah, worried, very very worried.
So spokesman Lawrence zu Nan, he was on with Ryan
Bridge yesterday talking about this very issue and when Ryan
asked him about who were those people overseas, Here's what
he said.

Speaker 6 (41:51):
I think anyone who you know, obviously New Zealanders, that
if they want to be reunited with their families and
with their parents and their loved ones seeing ALTI New Zealand,
they should absolutely pay the ad well for a lot
of them, as you're seeing the report that it's sometimes
outside of on control what the dead actually accrued. And
also it's you know, expanded to such an.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Extent, what exactly about it was out of their control.

Speaker 6 (42:14):
This is why they were asking for inquiry because there
was a number of loophole. Number one, one of the
things we look at is the fact that sometimes when
they're going overseas, they didn't realize or couldn't pay for
a small amount of loan that they have, but over
time it compounded in terms of arrears, and now it
comes becomes after twenty years, something that becomes unaffordable and
they are going to be slapped with an increase in

(42:36):
terms of cinelong, an increase in terms of the arrears
and the long the interest rate on their debt.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
But they're doing an inquiry. You know, they weren't inquiring
about it. It's not a loophole. Those were the Those
were the terms of the loan that they signed.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
Yeah, oh, no lawrences and consequences of their actions.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
So how is it outside of their control? That's that's
that's quite an insane claim to make that. You know,
you could say that the terms of the contract are
unfear maybe and you can negotiate those, but to say
that the people that are currently in trouble from the
contract they signed it was out of their control, is
not true. They've chosen to go overseas, so they've made

(43:14):
that decision knowing that if you're overseas and you owe
up to fifteen thousand dollars New Zealand, you have to
pay three thousand back per year minimum fifteen to thirty
K owing four to five thousand per year, thirty to
sixty K six to seven thousand per year and over
sixty k eight thousand per year.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
So you know that.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Yeah, And so if it drifts and it gets bigger
the amount, then then that's you knew that was going
to happen, and that's what's happened. That's happened because that's
happened because you haven't paid it back, right, Yeah, and
so you know it's three thousand per year, then you know,
fly home, fly home and it's interest free.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Do you really need an inquiry for one of these things?
I mean, how much does an inquiry cost? Couldn't they
have just put in that we survey, so we see
you didn't pay your loan back? Why why why didn't
you pay it back? And then yeah, there's no need
for an inquiry. They'll just say I was idiot and
I should have known better, and it's my fault and
now I can't come home for Christmas.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
This Texas says, it's not insane, Matt, it's the Greens.
Chloe will make a great finance minister. This Spersion says, hey, yeah,
this is just modern slavery. It has not changed. It's
in debt. Young people have been exposed to debt by
student loans. Now many of the same people are exposed
to mortgage debt on falling house prices. It's not much slavery.

(44:35):
If you're you know, you can fly out of the
country and live overseas.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
It seems pretty good. Yeah, it's a good deal in life.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
But you know, but dead has changed, that's for sure. Yeah,
and that's where you've got to be very careful when
you sign up to it.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Love to you
your thoughts on this. And if you've been in that
situation overseas that you got yourself maybe into your head
a little bit underwater with the debt, how did you
get yourself out of it? Is it making a deal
with the id how are they to deal with? Love
to hear from you? Nine to two ninety two is
the text number.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Dave says, Wow, Tyler, you've got a fifty grand student
loan and then you end up a studio princess microphones
hugging on a talkback show. Is this your pinnacle? Seems
like a bit of waste of money to me, just
saying Dave.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Yeah, so a couple of things there. Yes, I am
a princess. Yes, this is probably my pinnacle. And maybe
it was a waste of money. Definitely, Yeah, when I'm
spending a thousand dollars course rolated coss at the bar. Yeah,
it wasn't a good idea at the time.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Yeah, well, I mean, I don't know. It's not the
worst paid job in the world. Catherine, Welcome to.

Speaker 20 (45:35):
Hi.

Speaker 23 (45:36):
I just wanted to talk about my daughter who was
she's twenty five. She was on the first intake of
the first year free, so she got a fees for
free the first year, which is brilliant. She lived at home,
she took all of the living allowance that she could.
She took the loan for the subsequent years, and she

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did a double degree, so she took all of the
money she could for that, and she worked twenty hours
a week full time, so she actually could afford to
pay for her student vet as she went. But she
put all of that money she borrowed at zero cent
into an investment. She saved it for the entire time.

(46:23):
She's paid it back while she's been working in New
Zealand at the minimum rate. She's now moving going to
move to the UK next year because she needs that experience.
And she's got like fifty grand sitting in a bank
account earning interest that she has borrowed from the government

(46:44):
for free.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
Yes, well one lump sone zero interest.

Speaker 23 (46:50):
She actually zero interest, so she's been earning interest on
the government's loan and she'll pay it all back before
she leaves, so there is no there is no debt.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Does she feel do you do you hear feel any
guilt about gaming the system like that, because ultimately it's
the taxpayer that is covering that interest difference that she's
she's benefiting off.

Speaker 23 (47:14):
I don't feel guilt because she actually has worked damn
hard and has paid good tax the entire time. She
was working twenty hours a week while studying full time,
so she was paying her paying her tax at proper
rate right from you know, at the moment she was
allowed to be working. So I actually think good on her,

(47:35):
like that's given her a head start in life that
she's not she wouldn't have got Otherwise she'll go away
and you get the experience in more money, she'll come
back because she wants to come back, and then she'll
contribute to society. So I have no problem with that.

(47:56):
And I think people who just take the money and
then leave and go, oh, well, I don't need to
I don't have to pay it back because someone's chasing me. Well, actually,
why should they get a free use when my daughter
worked damn hard to actually do the right thing, and
we'll pay it back in full before she leaves the country.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Who came up with the who came who came up
with that idea?

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Catherine? Because what age was she when she went to university?
If you don't mind my house.

Speaker 23 (48:28):
She finished at thirteen? Was she eighteen?

Speaker 17 (48:30):
I guess?

Speaker 2 (48:31):
So that's very savvy to come up with a plan
like that at eighteen.

Speaker 23 (48:34):
Yeah, she actually got it from her cousins a couple
of years older, exactly the.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
Same cousins always have good plans.

Speaker 23 (48:43):
And they you know, they've stayed in the country and
worked and paid their taxes and they probably still had
that interest free loan and they now own a house, so.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
They use their loan while working to pay off their
you know, paying for their their student at the cost
of their going to university. Did they use their loan
as a deposit on a house for example? Was that
is that what they did?

Speaker 23 (49:09):
Well, I guess in a way, because they haven't they
don't have to pay it back as long they don't
have to pay it all back. They just have to
pay it back each you know, each paypack it twelve
percent at what are the rates? Because it's interest free,
So why why pay it all back and then borrow
from the bank at five percent? Yes, well you can

(49:33):
borrow it from the government for free. So I mean,
the government is doing so much for students, but actually
we shouldn't be giving the people who bike off over say,
anything more, because actually the government is doing so much.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Anyway, Yeah, thank you for you call, Catherine.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
I bet there's a bunch of people out there that
have gained that interest free student loan thing because it's
because it's money you can you can borrow interest free
with very few questions asked.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
Yep, and I don't see a problem with that, because
if you got the cash there to pay for your
own what.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
About Johnny Trady who's work away paying her taxes to
cover students to get ahead because they're gaming the system
with their student free loan.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
They can go get a b com and pay for
that course themselves and then just tide away that their
interest free student loan.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Yeah, it's not really in the spirit of the thing,
is it.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Certainly not. It's not in the spirit of it. But
you know, this is a thing where we talk about
interest free student loans. They were brought in by the government.
Catherine makes a really good point.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
We're already bending over backwards for students to make it
possible for them to follow their dreams and better themselves,
and so many of them just pass off overseas. Anyway,
after the taxpayer has paid for all of their education
primary school, intermediate and high school and then massively massively
subsidized their tertiary education, then give them a student free loan.

(51:01):
And now this chu Nan mp Green and Pea is
saying we should feel sorry for the ones that person
off overseas and don't pay back.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Yeah, their loans. Yeah, whilst not even.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Contributing to the tax back here in New Zealand to
give back from all they've taken.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Yeah, So it's it's a huge, huge leap that he's that.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
He's asking us to make in terms of where you
direct your empathy. Yeah, what are you giving back to
New Zealand?

Speaker 8 (51:29):
No.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is and umber to call Catherine.
Thanks very much for giving us a buzz at seventeen
past two your home.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Of afternoon talk, Matt Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk.

Speaker 5 (51:43):
Said, be.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Afternoon to you twenty past two. We're talking about student
debt for those living overseas. The Green Party is calling
for an inquiry, a mass inquiry, to see if we
can help them out a little bit. What do you
say our one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Matt, you have whipped yourself into such a state of
apoplexy that you are saying student free loan. Just breathe, brother,
I'm a big breather, a big breath, I'm a big
believer in breathing.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
The psychological sigh.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
But then again, I could argue that it still works
if you put a Comma student free loan.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
Nice, yeah, good, safe, it's a free.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Loan belonging to the students. Student free loan. Yeah, I
mean I didn't. I messed up my words, but I
could argue that. But you know I've got a student
free loan, and that there's a loan I have with
the bank that is free from students being involved.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
Actually that's not true because my son's are students. Yeah,
and you pay a lot of interest on that. But
thank you for your text keep us honest. Really appreciate it. Mike,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
Doesn't afternoon?

Speaker 24 (52:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Pretty good, mate, pretty good.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
Excellent, excellent.

Speaker 7 (52:53):
Ye.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
I was a varsity student back in the mid nineties,
and I was very careful so I met I think
I clocked up about a ten thousand dollars student loan
only to assist with student related things. And because I
had studied a little bit of finance and accounting and things,
I was aware how important it is to pay it

(53:17):
back quickly because it can affect your credit rating letter
in life, which can affect your ability to get loans
mortgages from the bank to buy houses and that sort
of thing. So yeah, I felt as I was quite
a suite to get that paid off very quickly, and
I did, so I'm pleased with that. Also, back in

(53:43):
those days as a student, there was some shocking stories,
you know, students buying boats, yeah, to go wakeboarding, you know,
with a student loan, travel, you name it. I mean,
I think some people even got student loans to get
deposits to buy property, you know, that sort of thing.

Speaker 6 (54:01):
I mean, yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 (54:03):
It was sort of pretty easy and lenient, and I
think part of the problem is is that it's such
an easy loan. You don't need collateral. You don't need
collateral like a mortgage in your house is collateral, or
finance finan finance a car and the car is collateral.
So if you default continuously, then your car gets repossessed

(54:29):
and that sort of thing. So I think that's part
of the problem. The other part of the problem is
that because it's such a free and easy loan, the
temptation is that people go overseas and I think people
sort of feel as though it'll just disappear. The others
hide from it, and it won't and I'll just go away,

(54:50):
and well I'll go to Canada and I'll live there
and marry and never come home, and hopefully the government
down the track is just going to say, right, we're
just going to what's the word does close them all?
You know? I mean, just cover them all. You know what,
what's that word? Well, go rate them, rate them as

(55:12):
bad debts and just yeah, just close them all and
light them up here, write them up. Yeah, that's right,
that's right, that's right. So yeah, it's yeah. So there's
a bit of temptation of I think.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
It's interesting one though, because if you get in a
position where you can't come back to New Zealand when
things go wrong, because you know, you know in New
Zealand's a safe place in the South Pacific, and things
can go crazy in the rest of the world and
you will want to go home. Having said that, in
COVID government didn't let people come home.

Speaker 5 (55:42):
Did they know?

Speaker 2 (55:42):
You have a full passport and they're like, no, you
can't come back to Musicaland that's true. You have to
get into a lot.

Speaker 4 (55:47):
Was that because was that because of student loans? I
can't remember that.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
No, no, no, no, it was just it was just
because we didn't have enough spaces it's not let's not
really that that that that horror show. But back to
your point about stupid things that people did. My girlfriend
right when I was at university, her parents were paying
for everything. She she came from a wealthy Auckland family.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Well you know, she hooked up with a horrible local
like me. I mean, she said, a bottom feeder from Deneed.
But anyway, she just speaking of shocking things. She uh
not only got all the money from her parents paying
for everything, including her flat and an ability to you know,
spending money whatever she wanted, everything booze money, she then

(56:35):
also got out of student loan for course related at
costs and living expenses and just loved large on that.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Yeah see that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's too easy and it should be
pleased more. The thing is that people need to be
aware around the world in New Zealand with student loans
is that the government has control over its statutory organizations
like the police, customs ID and they want their pound
of flesh and they want their money repaid, and you

(57:05):
know so you can't really escape it. So yeah, it's
and well anyway, colo long story short, the idea that
I thought of just before an hour ago or so?

Speaker 10 (57:17):
Was that?

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Why not?

Speaker 4 (57:19):
Nikola Willis contact all of the these are three countries
that we have relationships with. Get hold of the idea.
Say right, if you've got our citizens and they have
a student loan, we had like five or ten percent
of their income directed back to New Zealand to pay.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
It off, Please International bank. You could arrange there in
a one day yeah and so and so you run
it like a bake oorp thing. You'll get a percentage
of this debt.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
Yeah you know, but yeah, yeah, administration fee.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
And for the students, they are the only losers.

Speaker 4 (57:48):
And they I mean they owe the money. They owe
the money, and it's the illegal obligation to pay it
to the government and their moral obligation to pay it back.
For us are taxpayers.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
And I think you're right to set mentality is that
it's that mentality that or the government gave me this
money and I, you know, I don't really need to
pay it back if I get into trouble. We're is
any other debt that you take on. Of course, you
know if you don't pay that money back, your life
will be ruined. The real Bay Court will come after you.
They'll take your house, they'll take your car. And that's
the right thing because you took out a loan and
you wrote a contract. So these student overseas saying, oh please,

(58:22):
I want to come over Christmas and I didn't think
i'd have to pay it back. Nonsense. Come on anyway,
New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (58:32):
Dollar, the New Zealand dollar isn't as strong as the
pound and so yeah, I mean, you don't even have
to forfeit that much if you're in the UK your money.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
Because you pay it off in New Zealand dollars.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
So if you are fifteen thousand New Zealand dollars and
a loan, you only have to pay back three thousand
New Zealand dollars.

Speaker 4 (58:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
So you know what's that fifteen hundred pounds?

Speaker 3 (58:57):
Yeah right, that's right.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
I mean there's not a lot of sympathy out there
for these students.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
No, I mean, would the UK government allow us to
send in the essays to you know, pal into these
are these debted, indebted students and steal their TVs and such.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
We should start the conversation. You look like like like
you know, repo men back very shortly. We've taking your
CALLLSZ one hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's twenty seven
past two.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty eight on youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
Twenty nine past to get to a few texts on
non to No two.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
My nephew has been a bit of a whiz and
been on cheers he since he's fifteen. He's at UNI
and has invested all his student loan on the stock market.
Be it on him if it fails.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
So look, smart kid, you can't deny that's as it's
gaming the system. Yes, wow, but hopefully it will pay
off from.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Yeah, well, if you've invested in the New Zealand space
tech sector, yeah maybe, but yeah risky.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
It is risky.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
It's a long known trick borrowing it interest free and
investing it. But it does state in the rules you
are not allowed to do that and they can force
you to repay it. Right, yeah, Okay, how hard do
they invested? It might be a difficult thing to investigate.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
It probably would fall under fraud, wouldn't it. I think
if they did find out you were doing that. Keep
those teams coming through on nine two nine two and
we're taking your calls. I know eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty Hi.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Boys, been a blue collar, hard working builder for twelve
years now, since I was sixteen, paid all my own
trade fee costs, had to buy all my own tools,
vehicle and running costs. Now at UNI studying my construction diploma,
which is all out of my back pocket and in
my own time. These clowns should absolutely be held accountable.
Why should us hard working folk who have been paying
tax our whole working lives have to pay for them

(01:00:57):
to get a free ride? Cheers James, I mean, yeah,
that is the crust of it, isn't it.

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It certainly is. Headlines with railing come in up and
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Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So we are talking
about student debt of those living overseas who took out
a student loan on behalf of the text bay. They
haven't paid it back. Now the Green Party is saying
they want to come home for Christmas, but they're worried. Yeah,
they're going to be stopped.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
The Green Party of atier Row in New Zealand has
surveyed four hundred New Zealanders living overseas. According to the survey,
seventy one percent of those overseas borrows are overdue on
their student loan repayments and eighty two percent say they worry,
worried or extremely worried about their loans.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Do you have the same sympathy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
They're asking for an inquiry into the situation, and they
would look at whether the penalty system is disproportionately punitive,
whether interest for overseas borrows is fear or counterproductive, how
much debt is realistically recoverable, whether the current system contributes
to a brain drain, and options for modernizing repayment systems

(01:03:24):
for the global workforce. But go say there's not a
lot of sympathy coming through on the phones or texts,
and look, we've sort of uncovered something that it's hardly
a huge scoop, but people gaming the system on the
interest free loans in New Zealand, this Texas sees my
daughter's UNI friends. All of them get student loans to

(01:03:45):
the max, take the money and invest it in good
investment slash returns. They all have part time jobs to
get by, pay rent, et cetera, and supportive parents financially.
Then they go traveling overseas each summer, living the dream.
Back in the day, I worked all summers to pay
for my next year UNI. No loan nor overseas travel
for me until I was actually working. Times have changed,

(01:04:06):
that's from Paul.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
Is that the reason why you're hardly at university?

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
It's about twenty four weeks a year, isn't it. That's
so you can work over the summer to pay for
the twenty four years, right, I.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
Think that's part of it. Yeah, that's certainly what I
had to do, because I wasn't smart enough to or
actually rich enough or have rich enough parents to allow
me to put it in a week savings account and
get some interest.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Well, you're in an unhappy zone where your parents just
have enough money that you can't get help yeap, but
not rich enough to pay for anything on which I
think is a lot of people out there, right, Yeah, Yeah,
so you have to work over the summer but any
of those summer jobs go our great memories.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Yeah, good times on the summer job. Jude, how are you?
It's Jeane, Oh Jean, Sorry, now you's a.

Speaker 24 (01:04:44):
Good afternoon, Maddon Tyler afternoon.

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
Yes, I can go.

Speaker 24 (01:04:49):
This is in reply to Catherine, A very dangerous path
to be going down. As all the stories that you've
been getting in. Believe me, this was still prevalent. Way
back twenty years ago. We were at a party with
the grandparents of a bright young man who, when irrigated
with several glasses of water, enjoyed telling me how sharp

(01:05:10):
he was in business, how he'd taken everything he had,
and he traveled half an hour a day to his
parents who gave him free everything, his grandparents, who gave
him free everything, and then took living from home allowance,
anything he could get, invested it in shares and was.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
Doing very well.

Speaker 24 (01:05:29):
I know at that time. I did very well with
my shares for about ten years. And then he skipped
the country with his mother, and the parents had died
by that time and hopefully well whatever Australia got him anyway,
and his mother she was well up in the health
department and she could have easily helped him out. But

(01:05:52):
this has been done since Donkey's ages ago. I might
add that my three sons that did university, two of
them came through without any loan at all un Australia
to the scholarship level, one in Japan, one in one

(01:06:13):
in Canterbury for a couple of years doing full time
jobs in the daytime and fitting in their study at night,
and the one in Japan. He had a small one
eleven thousand, which he paid off very quickly working full
time as a teacher. And I had to hound my
grandson though. I cut out a piece of an advertisement

(01:06:36):
in the Northern South magazine to impress on him that
he could be arrested at the border because he had
a big student loan. It took him about seven years
to become a physical education teacher. But you know, he
would have got into trouble if I hadn't pushed him
to do the right thing. And eventually his grandfather came

(01:06:59):
up with the last ten thousand. But it's up to parents,
and grandparents takes the children to be honest.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Yeah, so you think so, you know, you talk to
this young man who was well arrogated on some wines
at the party. Do you know firstly, do you know
if that paid off investing in the stock market? Do
you know if that paid off for him or it
blew up in his face? And second question, do you
think it's morally wrong to do that?

Speaker 13 (01:07:26):
Of course it is.

Speaker 24 (01:07:29):
Well you just pointed out. I've been listening all the time.
You pointed out that's in the contract that they shouldn't
do that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Yeah, yeah, it's your point. Look, I say, Gene, that
gaming the system happens all the time. And the cat
throom which you rang, and you said you knew people
that did it, and there's many other people that do it.
I don't know. Yeah, look, it's more. Of course it's
morally wrong, but it's going to happen. And should they
be lined up?

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
What about the text we got from that trade that's
paid for everything in his life and since sixteen has
been working hard and paying taxes just to cover these
these dishonest students who were gaming the system. Because who
pays for it? Yeah, the taxpayers, the people that are
out there working, they pay for the gaming the system.

(01:08:14):
The only person you're gaming is your fellow New Zealander.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Yeah, well he is on a firmer footing on a
morality stance, but he's arguably poorer. Morality doesn't pay the bills.
Well why don't you just go do not make it right? Yeah,
well why don't you go and ram ray to Michael
Hill Jewelers. Then these days they've got a lot of fog,
canon and stuff. Thank you for your call, gene O
one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

(01:08:39):
Nineteen ninety two is the text? Is it wrong to
game the system? I love to hear from you. I
think we're going to get some pushback.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
I mean you're you're using a youth physic femism there.
It's commit fraud, Tyler. Just because the person you're committing
fraud against is the New Zealand taxpayer doesn't make it
any less.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
Yeah, if the I is listening, I never did it myself.
Just want to point that out back in the moddo
it's nineteen to three, have a.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Chat with the lads on eighty Mat Heath and Tyler
Adams afternoons news Talk said.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
Be it is sixteen to three and we've been talking
about student loan dead of those living overseas or turn
on your mic man geez, you got one job.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
The Greens have done a survey of four hundred years
in it is Living Overseas and have found that seventy
one percent of overseas boroughs overdue on their loans student loans.
Eighty two percent say they worried or extremely worried about
their loans. This text has done a survey of their office.
Nice quick survey in the office in eighty five percent
of respondents not stressed at all because they pay back
their loans as per obligations.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
You see, Tyler.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
You know, you may celebrate dishonesty, but there is a
price to pay for dishonesty, and that is an unsettled spirit.

Speaker 20 (01:09:54):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
Yeah, if you're honestly doing the right thing, then you
sleep better at night. You may you may prosper financially,
but how does your soul suffer? Yeah, as this Texas says, really, Tyler,
how could you promote that on the radio? Morality doesn't
pay the bills. It's not even funny to joke about that,
Tyler says, Bryce.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
I got a good giggle out of it, Bryce. And
if you've been honest, Bryce, you did to mate.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
Come on, it's Christmas, it's Christmas and Christmas is christmassing.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
We can put a reality to one side and just
go hard. Just do what you want to do Christmas hard. Yeah,
Christmas is the time of giving, not drifting. Yeah, what
would stand to do?

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
This TEXTA says, hey, guys, I did my commercial helicopter
license in two thousand and seven Slash eight, one of
the last classes to have full loan cover for a
CPL ninety five K loan paid off earlier this year.
Several of my class never continued with aviation. Some ticked
up extra qualifications into the mid hundred thousands. Wish I'd
done a trade instead and invested it and shares, but

(01:10:55):
stuck at and have made a reasonable go of it.
What caught many people out is a realization that getting
your license doesn't get you a job.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
It only gets you the chance to start at the
bottom of the bottom year. We've talked about this on
the show before.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
It's pretty rough and for nearly one hundred kN that
was a tough pill to swallow. If I'd gone overseas,
I shuddered to think how much I.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Would oach is Well, it's an insights. Julie.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Welcome to show. You've got kids overseas.

Speaker 19 (01:11:21):
Yeah I have. I've got son and daughter overseas. I
just thought i'd throw my two cents.

Speaker 5 (01:11:26):
At worth in.

Speaker 19 (01:11:27):
My son left back in twenty twenty. He's an electrically
engineer and he just couldn't get work here in the area.
Wanted to work, so he went to Australia and got
a job straight away. So immediately he had to start
paying his student loan and incurring interest, so he made

(01:11:48):
sure that he repaid it. He didn't want to be
in the position of not being able to return or
having a grown debt. And the thing is, I mean
people who think they can get away with it to
be frank quite stupid, because the ILD track you in
and out of the country. I'm my son's tax so

(01:12:09):
I have access to his tax records to keep track
of any tax issues that might arise for them here,
and they track you in and out. I can see
all his trips in and out over the period he's
been overseas, and they will tap you on the shoulder
as you're trying to leave the country if you haven't
paid and you've signed an agreement that says you will report.

(01:12:30):
It's just like signing a mortgage.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Yeah, but Julie, we've got people that are texting in
like there was a couple of people that oversees there
in their late forties have run up a massive, massive,
massive debt belt and what they're doing is there their
parents are flying in to see their grandchildren. They've decided
never to go home, and they're catching up with family

(01:12:53):
as the family traveling to see them as opposed to
them coming home. They've just accepted the never coming back
and they never paying.

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
Back the bell.

Speaker 19 (01:12:59):
And that's just kind of sad, I mean, but you know,
the trouble is you get compounding interest and if you
don't pay so that debt will grow. Really and as
far as the Greens go, I think they're just mad
because what they're saying is, oh, people shouldn't have to
take responsibility for an agreement they've signed, you know. And

(01:13:20):
you have to understand that my son's repaid his loan
and he didn't want to be in that position. Granted,
you know, we could help him out a little bit.
We felt bad that he had to leave the country
to get the work he wanted. We were lucky, you
know that we're financial enough to do that. But my
daughter also when she probably repaid probably about two thirds

(01:13:42):
of her loan when she left, and that was obviously
interest free. She was paying it through her salary because
they basically you don't have a choice, they take it
off you. But again she's repaid it to get rid
of it. And I think Tyler, in terms of your comments,
if you invest somewhere else, then that is fraud. And

(01:14:05):
if you get caught, trust me, the IOD will have
a real goatcha.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
Yeah, roller dies for those other people, duly not me,
though I'm squeaky clean. They can order me and you'll
find nothing. Richard, your thoughts on.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
All of this.

Speaker 9 (01:14:22):
Yes, the Green said that interviewed four hundred people and
seventy five percent of them are concerned. So that's three
hundred people. There's about one hundred thousand plus students in
New Zealand at the moment. I think the total loans
was to one point two million people, and we're worried
about three hundred people that have obviously probably done a

(01:14:45):
BA which when I was at Varsiti that was a
bachelor of bugger all and probably haven't taken responsibility for anything.
So I am not in favor of any inquiry and
those three hundred people can pay their dues as far
as the rat with buying shares and investing money. When

(01:15:05):
I was at varsity in ninety three, that was going
on then, So it's been going on a while.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
But back then you were paying eight percent on your loan,
weren't you back in ninety three.

Speaker 9 (01:15:18):
Yeah, once you finished, Once you finished, there was studies.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
Yeah, there was no interest where you were there. But
as soon as you were out and about.

Speaker 9 (01:15:25):
You finished, ye, you're paying interest.

Speaker 7 (01:15:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
I wonder if the old student and then they changed.

Speaker 9 (01:15:30):
It in mid I think it's the mid two thousands,
two thousand and seven and eight. If you were working
New Zealand, you didn't pay interest.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Yeah, and so the taxpayer took that bill for you
because that interested. Yeah, that interestill has to.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
Be paid because the government's borrowed that money.

Speaker 5 (01:15:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
Drigging the old interest free student loans was a mistake.
It was brought in by the hell and Clark government
and I think it was an election bride at the
end of the day. It got them across the line.
But looking at the people that gained the system, and
there's a lot out there, and you know, the mentality
that I can go and study and it's just money.
I don't really need to worry about paying it back.
It just sits there interest free. Maybe that was the
wrong type of carrot. Well, I agree, you could totally agree.

Speaker 9 (01:16:11):
And certainly giving people the first year free fees again
was a stupid idea. But I mean, politicians and their
best intentions do what they think is right. But this
one by the Greens, this is really really left field,
and it's such a small number of people that are
the real bad bastards. You just can't be bothered ringing

(01:16:33):
IDA or emailing IOD and getting in touch with them.
They just the attitude. I got the money, I don't
want to pay it back.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
Yeah, spot on. Thank you Richard.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
Sorry you cut out there for a second, but thank
you for your call.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Yeah. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighties and number
to call back very shortly. It is eight minutes to
three and we've got a few texts coming through as well.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
Tell you what, Tyler, your dishonesty is really firing up
the text machine.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
Some angry people at me. You are probably fair. Yeah,
and if I trust you, I want to get a
lock for my locker. Yeah, you should do actually you
got some nice stuff in.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
That because you're now I think, just stealing my lunches,
gaming the sister on their booking.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News
Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
News Talks ZEDB. Craig, thanks for hanging on. We've got
about sixty seconds before the news hits us. What's your thoughts?

Speaker 4 (01:17:26):
Okay, quickly was my views.

Speaker 22 (01:17:28):
If you've got a if you're worried about paying about
getting stopped at the border, then news obviously got some
sort of conscience. The should actually been painted to start with.
But then the other thing, I was listening to the
other guy about saying how they should take some sort
of cenis on the wages when your work and ever
seas Iregon. It's quite a good idea. It's kind of
like American citizens, if they work in another country, part
of their taxes go back towards the States anyway. So

(01:17:50):
I mean, they're doing it, so I don't see why
we couldn't do something similar to get money coming back.
I mean, when I was training at politics years ago
and my parents made me get extra jobs in work
hard instead of getting alone because they said it's going
to still a new later in life.

Speaker 4 (01:18:03):
I was a good work and paying back what you owe.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
They yeah, yeah, it makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean it as an interesting
messages into your kids when you go it's a student
it's a interest free loan. It's so game it, you know,
and then go out into the world. Is that saying
game everything when when what gaming actually means is fraud.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
Yeah, and I'll get that point. It's okay to game
the government because we don't like the government, but the
government is really the text payers. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
So look, we've had a great conversation. Thank you so
much for your texts and calls on this issue. I
think it's safe to say there's not a lot of
sympathy out there. I think most people texting through are saying,
if you sign on to a loan, student loan or not,
you know what you're getting into, and then you have
to pay that back with your overseas or not.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
Yep, you want to come home for Christmas, just pay
your bills. That's all you need to do, and then
you can come home and have all the Christmas put
in you want and if we're going to throw sympathy around,
I don't know if that is. There's only so much sympathy. Yeah,
I don't know if these are the people that need
that sympathy thrown at them.

Speaker 4 (01:19:08):
So here you go.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
All right then great checko Greens, Yeah, okay, Greens, good
luck with that one. Great chat. They get everyone who
called and techs come up after three o'clock. We want
to talk about booms. Is it time we had as
collective citizens, more pride in our own booms. Love to
hear from you. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
nine two nine Two's that tex Newsport and weather coming up.

(01:19:30):
Stay right here, will be back soon.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
You're on you Home for in Stateful and Entertaining Talk.
It's Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
Sebby afternoon too. You hope you're having a good Wednesday,
seven pass three. Welcome back into the show.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
Hey, yeah, Look, I have a number of threads that
I'd run with my friends on WhatsApp and you know,
just on my phone message yep. And you know a
lot of dudes do this, and there's things that we
say in the threads.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
These threads just.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Run on and on with just endless abuse of each
other and just trying to say the most shocking thing,
you know, cancelable stuff, and it's just whatever anyone sees
or does, it's just the biggest insult that goes next,
and then it just escalates. Yes, you know, if it
was ever printed out, it would be considered just crime basically.

(01:20:24):
And look, I do this with nearly all my male friends.
I'm not sure if it's such a big thing with
female friend groups, but in male friend groups, do you
find this tyler that you just have mates from school
and mates from whatever various things you get up to.

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
You start a thread and then.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
It's just abused the hell out each other and it's
a lot of fun.

Speaker 8 (01:20:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
Absolutely, but it's very inclusive as well, because I don't know.
For some reason, there is the thing about male banter
where the more you insult someone, they've done studies on this,
and it's something to do with going into battle, right,
and you needed to test that someone can handle abuse,
because if they couldn't handle abuse, then they wouldn't be

(01:21:02):
able to handle a fight. Apparently this is this is
one theory on it. And the other thing is if
you can insult someone to their face without it turning
into physical and violent violence. That's saying that you know
that they love you, and you know that they know
that you love them.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
Anyway, there's no greater thing you can you can say
to another fella, yea, And then you know the most
abusive thing you can think of, it is it just says,
I love you, bro more than anything else.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
And if someone abusing you tickles you pink and it
makes you laugh, you know that you've got a really
tight friendship. And this may sound sick to some people,
but it's a big thing anyway. You know Jason Bateman,
his star of Ozark, Arrested Development, very funny. I absolutely
love the man. And he's best friends with a guy

(01:21:47):
called Will Arnette, and you'll know him as well Horseman
and Rested Development as well. That's where they became friends.
Lego Batman movie, you know, Blades of Glory, Glory, so
many things. He's got that beautiful deep voice. And they're
also very good friends with Conan o' bryan, who's the
Took show host who also is recently in New Zealand.
Wasn't he was in New Zealand? Yeah, that fantastic episode

(01:22:11):
on New Zealand. So recently, Jason Bateman was on Conan
O'Brien's podcast, Connan A Bryden Needs a Friend, and they
were talking about a text message conversation with each other,
and I just thought this was so beautiful for some reason,
even though it's so mean and abusive, it made me

(01:22:32):
almost well up with how beautiful it was the relationship
between these guys.

Speaker 3 (01:22:36):
And here it is.

Speaker 20 (01:22:37):
Let me just say the timeline because I have it here.
I wrote it down last year because the timeline was
so good.

Speaker 4 (01:22:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:22:43):
And so I hear that your your dad passes away,
and I text you that day or the next day
and I said, hey, listen, I'm sorry to hear about
your dad's passing, sending love from our family to yours,
and you wrote thank you. Will to be honest, I
blame Bateman.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
For the death of my for the death of my father.

Speaker 20 (01:23:03):
The day after his father dies. Yeah, right, so I wrote,
it's not a terror. Both theory and Conon texted me back,
he killed my dad?

Speaker 24 (01:23:16):
My dad?

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
Can I say, in fairness, my dad would have loved
this so.

Speaker 5 (01:23:22):
So so uh so, then.

Speaker 20 (01:23:25):
Baban Babeman, I tell Babman this, we're dying. We're doing
a thing that day, so he The next day, Bateman
texts you and he says, Arnette tells me you're on
to me. Yes, and ConA texts Babman. He says, Baban,
do yourself a fan favor, turn yourself in.

Speaker 5 (01:23:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:23:49):
Two days after your dad passes. Of course your mom
passed away. Yeah, which we didn't. I did not see coming.
Which did not see coming. So I text you two
days after I knew you were a boss, I said,
Bateman is asking for your sister Street addressing.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
Okay to give yea.

Speaker 20 (01:24:13):
And you were busy that weekend like a Dan Alflete.
You text you back, just seeing this now fantastic six
twenty five, Boyston Street at Pertman twelfth to tell bobmen
to make it look like a robber.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
You know what's weird. I swear to God, this is
how I grieve. I know everyone has their way. Oh
that's a beautiful thing. You're so right. It wasn't it
telling that the one who's like, oh my god, was
was the woman there? Because it just didn't quite get it.
But that is it's just such a male thing.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
Sonya Mosocion anyway, she's very fantastic on that podcast. Yeah,
I just thought there was a It was a beautiful,
a beautiful bit of audio there.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
Yeah, fantastic. That on the surface horrible. Yes, if you
don't have the contents, it sounds terrible. Just print it
out and read out, you know, in a court that
would sound bad, certainly. Well, that's fantastic, all right. Now,
just a heads up, we've got a very special guest
on the show just after three point thirty. Tom Sainsbury,
well known comedian, performer, all round great Kiwi. He's created

(01:25:18):
and stars in a brilliant new Christmas panto. Opening Night
is tonight. Matt Heath has even got a role. You've
got your script right there that you've been busy preparing
for because you didn't know you were you were up
for opening night, this is the big one.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
Yeah, Well I knew I was in the play, yeah,
but I didn't know that it was opening night tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:25:35):
No, you genuinely didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
No, And look, I'm just looking at the site there.
It's nearly sold out, so it's going to be a
huge crowd. So hopefully I don't screw this up tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
A lot appreciate just making sure I go through my
script and get everything right. There's so many pages. Yeah, yeah,
but that's coming up just after three thirty because right
now we want to have a chat about booms. And
it's a story by the detail. And they looked into
the amount of complaints that various councils get around the
country and the top three complaints they get, and I'll
start at number three. Number three is the stray dogs.

(01:26:05):
Number two roadworks, fair enough, get the old road wine thing.
Number one across the board up and down the country.
That people want to complain about is the burms. And
what are they complaining about? Read the burms. So I'll
just give you a little taste of some of this
feedback here. So they spoke to a counselor of the
hot of Finawa and they had a lot of issues
with booms because they started to change the rules a

(01:26:27):
little bit, the bylaws. But here are some of the quotes.
Some say, it's your land, take some pride and look
after it as the resident and closest proximity. So that's
fair enough. Then others and most of the others say no,
I pay my rates. It's absolutely something the council must do.
It's their land. If they don't want to do it,
I'm going to pour round up on it. Wow, So

(01:26:48):
that is threatening. Yeah, that is threatening when it comes
to the burm. Well, I mean pouring round up on
it is some form of burm maintenance, isn't it. Yeah?
Keeps it pretty low. In fact, that kills everything. But
what kind of muppet doesn't look after their own birm?

Speaker 4 (01:27:02):
I agree?

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
Like, just mow your burm, like you've got to mow
your lawn. Yeah, so just we'll take a little mare.
But just running up and down your boom, it's good times. Yeah,
isn't there something beautiful about it? There's a satisfaction of
getting out there on a Saturday morning and I've got
my weed eater and just running up and down the berm,
and I look down the street. Everyone's got beautiful booms.
Look down the other way. Most people have beautiful booms.
There's one guy about three doors down. It's atrocious. Rhan,

(01:27:25):
it's a virus.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
Are you one of those people that stands, you know,
in the gate looking, you know, curling their nose up
at the person who's not doing their bird?

Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
Yeah, definitely definitely. You know you've got to do. You've
got to do your bom, absolutely, but.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
Also you can keep the moa going and go down
and do your neighbor's bed as a gesture of goodwill,
can't you.

Speaker 3 (01:27:42):
Wow, that's a good question because I I some would
say that that you've got to get permission to do that.
You've got to go knock on the door and say, hey,
I'm doing my booms. Do your mind if I do
your boom as well, because I think some people get
a bit precious about their boom that if you don't,
might write then you create problems with your neighbor.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
Nice for you rich privileged losers with your berms. Some
of us don't have a berm or a lawn or
a lawn mower to mow it with. Could you get
more elitist who doesn't have a burm? But also how
can you be a rich privileged loser?

Speaker 3 (01:28:11):
It's an obviously more on right there.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
But also what that person is very very central, big city,
aren't they, Because having a berm is not a rich
privileged thing in most parts of the country or even
even in Auckland it isn't. Yeah, but you know where
I come from, that doesn't mean anything. You know everyone's
got a.

Speaker 3 (01:28:31):
Berm exactly, even apartment owners. There's a boom outside the apartment.
There's just more of you to cut the boom. Oh
eighte hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
when it comes to the boom. Do you take some
pride in making sure it looks good for the good
of your street and community? Or do you reckon that
it's the councils and you just pour round up on it.
Love to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
This is a great text about someone that put a
tiny home on their berm.

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
We'll share that next sixteen past three on news Talk
Ziby eighteen past three. So booms are the things that
residents complain about most to councils up and down the country.
But we've asked the question, should you say pride in
your bom and do it yourself and make sure it
looks good?

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
When did it become a berm? Not a verge, says
this Texter. For the first forty five years of my life,
it was called a verge.

Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
What happened?

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
I thought they called it a verge in Australia and
a berm in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
I've always called it a Berm. Yeah, there's a Burmer
UK phraseology berm Verge curb.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
There's another one, isn't there. There's herbs America nine two
nine two, there's berm Verge. And there's some kind of
strip or is it Australians call it some kind of
nature strip? They Oh, that's right, the nature strip. I'm
sure it is an anxious strip.

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
Anxious strip.

Speaker 4 (01:29:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:37):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number
to call. Matthew, welcome to the show.

Speaker 12 (01:29:41):
Oh, goodow Matthew, and good Tayler. This is very very
important subject of mine. I take it to heart. It's
I do the neighbors. It's well, if it's the councils,
it's not even their property. You can mow it and
it brings. The key is not to catch it, to
mulch it. And you do it every couple every three

(01:30:03):
or four days, and you just run up and down
and then you stand out your property with your hands on.
HiT's going. There's order to this chaos, there's lines.

Speaker 3 (01:30:12):
It feels good.

Speaker 12 (01:30:13):
It's the way to do it. It's yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (01:30:16):
You're not running a catcher at all. They're meth you
the malt char Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:30:22):
Well, you don't have to fill up your green bend.
You just sort of run around and if you don't
leave it too long, it's yeah, it's not too bad,
and it's a bit of exercise. Gets you out of
the house with the wife telling you to this stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:30:32):
Yeah, are you okay with? You know, if I'm your
next door neighbor and I don't pick up the grass trimmings,
are you okay with that?

Speaker 6 (01:30:38):
Mett?

Speaker 12 (01:30:39):
Well, it depends how long you leave it. If you
get those where it's that long and thick that it's
leaving like hate lines that they can capay for haybales,
that's too bad. You can't do that. But you can't
do that. No, you go met there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
I was going to say, what do you sit on
burn flare?

Speaker 4 (01:30:59):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:30:59):
People?

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
We've got someone in a neighborhood that's running a whole
lot of succulents on the burn. There's someone else that's
running a wild garden, so they're not abandoning their burn,
they're curating it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
But you've got.

Speaker 12 (01:31:12):
But if they keep the wild flowers and do all
that sort of stuff, I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't
run the multa through there. I wouldn't do that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:19):
So how many booms are you doing, Matthew, how far
down the street?

Speaker 12 (01:31:22):
Maybe the block, so maybe four or five, and maybe
the neighbors because I look at it, so yeah, the block.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
Really you have to you have to let the neighbors know,
because some people can get a bit protective about their
their booms, you know.

Speaker 12 (01:31:37):
But then if you if you do yours and your
people that you've asked, and then you've left stairs, and
it looks, it looks, it doesn't it doesn't look good, Taylor,
and look good.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
I judge people when I see like a unruly boom,
and then I see a tidy burm, and there's that
like that exact line with line, that line of.

Speaker 3 (01:31:58):
Judgment.

Speaker 23 (01:31:58):
Just do it.

Speaker 12 (01:31:59):
Yeah, they hate each other, those neighbors.

Speaker 20 (01:32:03):
So true?

Speaker 23 (01:32:04):
So true?

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
Is rather heaving there making a.

Speaker 12 (01:32:08):
Point, definite point. But no, I'm all for mowing the boom.
I think it looks good, makes it the street look
good as you drive in, and yeah it's and then
kids ride up and down it on the bikes and stuff.
It's good.

Speaker 3 (01:32:21):
Generous.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
I've got a sad admission to make, Matthew. I look
forward to mowing my boom.

Speaker 3 (01:32:26):
I drive home.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
When I'm driving into the driveway, I'm like, is it
ready to mote? Yeah, yep, it's ready to mow.

Speaker 12 (01:32:32):
It's ready to mowe. If you can put, if you
can pull like an inch or so, it's ready to go.
Because you're not catching it. You can just go out
there and then you don't have to listen to your
partner or have the jobs the kids yelling at your escape?

Speaker 3 (01:32:46):
Are you running escapism?

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
Are you running a battery powered moa? Or are you one.

Speaker 12 (01:32:52):
Briggs and Stratton all the way?

Speaker 3 (01:32:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:32:54):
Yeah, yeah, that's definitely yeah. But I'd like to hear
what everyone else has to say because it's quite important
to me.

Speaker 6 (01:33:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
No, good on you, Matthew. Nice to hear from the
mirror of hun Hey. One hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call boo whose responsibility is it? Is
that the councils are your own.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
It's like manscaping, Matt. It just makes everything look bigger
and better.

Speaker 6 (01:33:17):
So true.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
Twenty three past three.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons, call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:33:29):
Twenty five past three, and we're talking about booms. This
is because there was a story by the Detail that
looked at the most complained about things from residents to councils,
and booms was number one.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
This is a good point, though. Whilst I think that
it's a good time bowing booms and that you should
do it, this is a very good point that Stext makes. Hi, guys,
the council used to mow the booms, but stop to
save money. Did they drop our rates?

Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
Of course not. Yeah, that's fair. They started mowing and
then they stopped. My and you got to ask questions,
but are you one of the people that takes pride
in their boom?

Speaker 4 (01:33:59):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
Eighte hundred and eighty ten eighty I.

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
Lived in a block of sixteen three story townhouses mode
booms for all of them west Auckland. Took me two
hours per week.

Speaker 3 (01:34:06):
Look bluddy good though, great news over Andy, Welcome to
the show, high fellars.

Speaker 21 (01:34:15):
Hi, I have a husband that loves a boom.

Speaker 17 (01:34:20):
We live in christ Church and we're in North Brighten
in the earthquake fit and our house was it was rubbish,
half of it fallen down. It was just it was chaos.

Speaker 25 (01:34:31):
It was like Bosnia and water.

Speaker 17 (01:34:33):
Time anyway, he's out there mowing the booth, and people,
of course, the red rubber eating driving past our house
and you know, the neighborhood having a look at all
the destruction and staff, which is lovely. And he's out
there mowing the boom and people were just doing remote
laughing and them taking photos. But he still loves the boom.

(01:34:54):
He's constantly planting things. I've got tulips coming up in spring.
I've got a new clofi tree, I've got all this
stuff coming up at different seasons. And he's just takes
so much pride. But the guy across the road, Old Andy,
different Andy, obviously, but he's he's out there with us
what looks like nails scissors a couple of times going

(01:35:18):
around for you just and I swear to God, I
go there, leave in the morning. How I'm back after
work and the guys out there doing something else. It
is tiny, little posted. Damn it's nuts. But anyway, I
think there's a bit of a boom or going on
between them.

Speaker 3 (01:35:35):
But anyway, so it's a beautiful thing.

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
And yeah, well it's interesting that the idea of a
curated burn a boom with a bit of flair on it.
So it's still a burm. You're still putting the effort in,
but you've got a bit of stuff growing on it.
I think that's that's bloody great as well, especially if
the council is not going to mow it, then they've
lost the ability to really tell you what to do
with it. So as long as you're you know, if
you if you've got something crazy growing on it, bloody brilliant,

(01:35:59):
good on you.

Speaker 17 (01:35:59):
I reckon, absolutely totally agree.

Speaker 5 (01:36:02):
Ys the crazy boom.

Speaker 3 (01:36:03):
Yeah good and thank you. Well, what a good couple
of key we So, you know earthquakes, everything had collapsed,
the house has gone, but he's still out there making
sure his community looks as best that well, his former
community looks as best that it can be. Well, you've
got to control what you can control. Yeah, you know that,
heads off to that man.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
I love that, But I reckon, I'm not far from
getting down on my hands and knees with my new
lawn that I've just sewing that's growing up.

Speaker 3 (01:36:26):
I got to mow it for the first time last night.
Nice big moment because.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
It was just a big hunker dirt that I dug over.
And then you know, if a dock leave gets involved.
You know I'm going to come at it. I'm want
to come at it individually. I'm going to attack them.
You know there'll be the weed and feed going on
there as.

Speaker 3 (01:36:46):
Well, But like if a weed grows in there, I'll
go at it with the perisists, don't you are It's
like raising a child.

Speaker 20 (01:36:51):
It's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:36:51):
I'm not going to be a shamed to get down
on my hands and knees taking your calls on eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Do you take pride
and making sure your berm looks beautiful or do you reckon?
It's the counsel's responsibility. Love to hear from you. Got
the headlines with Raylen coming up. Nine to nine two
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(01:37:58):
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Speaker 3 (01:38:18):
Thank you very much, Raylan. We're talking about burms. It's
the most complained about thing to councils up and down
New Zealand. But we've asked the question, is it eachy
up to you to take a bit of pride in
your own bom or are you one of those people
to say nah's counsel's property, they should be mowing it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
Hi, boys, you could cut butter with the edges on
my nature strip, not burm and there's a Mexican standoff
between myself and my neighbor who believes his edges are sharper.

Speaker 3 (01:38:42):
It's going to be.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
Whipper snappers at dawn very soon, cheers John Am. I
juvenile to always giggle at the term nature strip.

Speaker 3 (01:38:49):
That's a good phrase, Ben, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 8 (01:38:53):
Yeah, hey guys. So I've actually given up on my
boom because I'll talk some great pride in it. But
we live across from a daycare center. We have a
lot of people parking on it and in the winter
time it just rips it up and.

Speaker 10 (01:39:06):
Make to look like a mud.

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
That sucks that people because because we were talking about
this earlier in the year, but you know, parking enforcement
don't enforce the berms, so someone can be doing the
most outrageous thing, which just parking on a burn, ripping
it up, and they don't get a ticket for it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:25):
It's it's it's it's crap. Yeah, they are bad people.

Speaker 4 (01:39:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:39:29):
So we ended up putting some old tires out there
on it and filling it up with third and planting
some middle trees in them. And one day I come
home and they were gone.

Speaker 14 (01:39:39):
Man.

Speaker 13 (01:39:39):
I checked the security cameras and the councilor had.

Speaker 4 (01:39:42):
Come along and removed my own, my little wee plants.

Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
Yeah, idiots, scumbags.

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
So they're not going to look after the burn, but
they're going to remove what you do to look after
and protect your burn.

Speaker 3 (01:39:54):
A holes, massive a holes to so I take it.
They probably just took those trees down to down to
the dump.

Speaker 8 (01:40:01):
I wouldn't have a clue when never bore were checking.

Speaker 13 (01:40:03):
But like it's just it's just full, you know, half
of it's just like a mud basically, like it's okay
at summertime now, so it's dry, but half of its
grass and the other half just dry mud. And I
don't think the people are you know that they using
they get there. You know how much some people actually
enjoy their booms, and they'd just rather path on it

(01:40:25):
and destroy it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:26):
You can't win. You can't win with the council because
they say, you know, please look after your booms because
we don't have enough money. Then you try and plant
some beautiful trees and they turn up and take them
away and turn them to the dump. Outrageous, may are
your thought on berms?

Speaker 26 (01:40:40):
Well not really burns? And I love up to Machracey
Alley and really happy that hey, Ma coming either side,
and I thought, oh I went into town, I came back.

Speaker 19 (01:40:53):
Little bridges and we've got great.

Speaker 26 (01:40:55):
Big we've got great big roads. In some flooding. We've
had all these red tones piped everywhere. But you can't
see the red tones anymore through the grass. And they're
just doing around the bridges, around still power poles, and
they're not doing you know, outside our fences, right counter

(01:41:17):
is that?

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
But so so what do you mean you're not talking
about booms? So there's there's a grass patch outside your fences.

Speaker 26 (01:41:26):
We've got a farm up the valley and they just
you know, they usually come along and they have either
side this year. The high so tree trees that are problematic,
a little tree branches that are all over the road.
They don't sweep them off.

Speaker 3 (01:41:45):
It's a disaster, mate, tough time and the Mott Valley,
beautiful part of the country. Got to say they thank
you very much, May.

Speaker 2 (01:41:50):
But we are talking booms and Sira, you want to
talk about booms, don't you, Yes, they do.

Speaker 25 (01:41:57):
Relivered Gray Church as for the longest time of us
wondering why nor flue trees could be planted in the boom.
So then we moved into a new subdivision. If plums
started planting fruit trees in the bombs and the neighbors
have all put onto it, and so now we have
a beautiful area with fruit trees in the boom. The

(01:42:17):
children can come and pick when if they want to.

Speaker 2 (01:42:22):
That's absolutely brilliant. Why would you not want that? So
you know, you're walking home and people can grab an apple?
What kind of what kind of fruit trees are you
going down? And christ Sirah.

Speaker 25 (01:42:33):
Fijoma, there's apricot, there's plums. I've got two percions on
the bom.

Speaker 3 (01:42:42):
And Sarah the old oh yes, good good place out andy,
oldhre's good people out there.

Speaker 25 (01:42:48):
Yeah, neighbors got onto it. And now the whole little
corner has got all these wondering.

Speaker 5 (01:42:54):
That's so good.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
See that there should be you know, like people talk about,
you know, healthy kids and all that kind of stuff.
They can walk home and eat it for joa or
an apricot. Then how fantastic do people? People not like
fruit trees on burns because as the fruit falls on
the ground and rodents turn updated is that is that
why people push back on fruit trees and booms.

Speaker 4 (01:43:14):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 25 (01:43:15):
I don't know, but I will clean it up if
fleed it. Yeah, as long as it's a useful space
that is wasted otherwise, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:43:22):
I think it's a brilliant idea. Spot on, you're a
great turn our streets into orchards. Three apricots. Feed the world, Yeah,
fijoas take it or leave it, live stock, you like,
get some sheep on there if someone's hungry, sort of
a sheep on the way home from school. Yeah, sounds
like a good time. Feed the world perfect, Hell you mate,
I'm good here.

Speaker 7 (01:43:42):
How are you good?

Speaker 3 (01:43:43):
Do you love your boom?

Speaker 27 (01:43:45):
I love my bems there. I get a low long
contracted to mother bem savory two weeks, but I hate like.
I take my dog for a walk in flet Bush
area and I see almost fifty percent of the bench
now overgrown, almost one foot high, and it looks sometidy
in front of a million dollar houses. I think the
owners should take proud of the for a property. And

(01:44:06):
I flash the mother bem.

Speaker 3 (01:44:08):
Maybe you want some one there, you know, someone.

Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
You know, if you know, if someone's got a burn
that's a foot high at the front of the house.
You know that that's not the only thing that's going
wrong in your life. You know they're running a full shimuzzle.

Speaker 3 (01:44:19):
Ye, there's a lot going on. Letting a lot slip.
It's it's symbolic of more problems.

Speaker 15 (01:44:23):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:44:26):
Have you ever have you ever just decided to do
it yourself factor? You just go up and down and say, look,
this is a nice community, these are these are expensive homes.
I'm going to sort that out for you.

Speaker 27 (01:44:35):
I went then because I don't have time time, I
just have him to walk away. No, no, no shore
So not for English speaking, I won't have time. But
if there was a community group, I willn't mind volunteering
and wandering and yeah, group people who want to be
able to move events.

Speaker 3 (01:44:51):
Good on you, Victor, good on you.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
I follow this guy on YouTube that goes around and
volunteers to do what people's lawns.

Speaker 3 (01:44:57):
Have you seen that? No, I forget his name or
find it. It's so satisfying. He's the American guy. I
have seen them. It's so great.

Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
So it's often elderly people that whose houses got out
of control and they can't do it, and he just
he cleans everything up, and you know, it's in fast forward,
you know, so it goes quickly. It's it's one of
the most satisfying things.

Speaker 3 (01:45:16):
It's a beautiful thing, and they see it. Yeah, it's wonderful.
Quick email here, gooday, guys, I'm in the Wellington email sorry,
Wellington area. There was a two meter wide boom just
outside my house. I got into trouble for planting wild flowers.
Two letters and a visit from council until they sprayed
it all and put rollout grass in it. So now

(01:45:37):
I just close my eyes and ignore it. I mean again,
dirty counsel. Don't be spraying somebody's beautiful wild flowers. Get
out of it. Yeah, get out of it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:44):
Stick to your knitting. You gave up from the booms.
You said goodbye to them, Yeah, but I write to
them anymore. You stay away exactly. We'll look after them.

Speaker 5 (01:45:51):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:45:52):
Know your place? Yeah, you've lost you, You've lost your
privileges around the berm. Get out. Yeah right, great discussion.
Thank you very much. We had so many ticks on
the booms, and thank you to people who called. But
coming up, you're standing by Tom Sainsbury. You know, I'm well.
Fantastic comedium performer all round goodbye. He's created and he
stars in a brilliant new Christmas panto. It's called A

(01:46:12):
Christmas Crisis. The opening night is tonight and there's a
lot of excitement.

Speaker 4 (01:46:17):
Matt.

Speaker 3 (01:46:17):
You'll you're going to be front and center as well.

Speaker 2 (01:46:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm in this in this play. That
that YouTube channel is s B Mowing sp moweing sb Mowing. Yes,
it's yeah, it's it's very satisfying to see him just
clean up these yards.

Speaker 3 (01:46:32):
It's great. Yeah, so good right. It is nineteen to
four coming up next, Tom Sainsbury.

Speaker 1 (01:46:39):
It's a fresh take on took Back. It's Matt Heath
and Taylor Adams Afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty youth talk said.

Speaker 3 (01:46:47):
B co Written by the brilliant Tom Sainsbury alongside longtime
collaborator law Official Chisholm, A Christmas Crisis explodes onto the
stage as a high kicking, sleigh riding disco ball soaked spectacular.
How good does that sound? The pair have crafted a
world brimming with interpretive dance, chaotic festive energy, and more
tinsel than any reindeerh safely be there, and they've even

(01:47:10):
wrote in Matt Heath to play a little part to
chat more about this. We are joined by Tom Sainsbury.
Tom get a, how are you hi?

Speaker 5 (01:47:17):
Hi?

Speaker 20 (01:47:18):
Well?

Speaker 5 (01:47:19):
Listen Opening night tonight with Matt Heath, says our narrator.
And it's all all nerves it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:24):
Is for Met Heath.

Speaker 5 (01:47:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:47:25):
Absolutely, he's got a script there, he's been going through
it diligently.

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
It's just great to be back treating the boards where
I started. Hey, Tom, tell us about Christmas and chaos crisis. Sorry, jeez,
I've already I've already got some word wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:47:39):
Get him out now, mate, get him out now.

Speaker 5 (01:47:42):
So me and me and we've been doing kind of
comedy dance forty years now, and this is our first
kind of Christmas one. We've been really inspired by the
kind of the outrageous pantomimes from the UK all even
Wellington's been doing them, and so we were trying to
tap it to that market. So we've gone for a
really kind of outrageous dance show. It's got Santa but
we've got Santa Claus and Missus Corse kind of breaking

(01:48:03):
up on one storyline, and then we're taking the path
out of the kind of Hallmark love movies of Make
the Cut, make of Falling in Love with the Prince,
and then they've got the alms causing chaos. So it's
all kind of a big, bonacious, loud, colorful dance spectacular.

Speaker 3 (01:48:16):
So has it always been your dream to bring Panto
to our Shawes?

Speaker 5 (01:48:21):
Has it always been my dream? Listen? I just go
with a kind of you know, with the audiences, smart.

Speaker 3 (01:48:28):
Well speaking audience. Is there a lot of Christmas spirit
out there?

Speaker 2 (01:48:31):
I've just fired up the Boublet records for my kids
and I'm trying to pump pump some up and put
the tree up.

Speaker 3 (01:48:36):
Is there enough out there for you?

Speaker 5 (01:48:38):
Tom?

Speaker 6 (01:48:39):
There absolutely is that The thing.

Speaker 5 (01:48:40):
I'll tell you what when you're doing a Christmas show,
because we kind of start working on it temper and
when you're already listening to kind of Christmas carols and
pushing people Christmas chair like tonight, we'll be fine. I
reckon next week I'll be sick to this of it.

Speaker 3 (01:48:52):
So the show has got everything, Tom, comedy, dance in
a bit of absurdity for good measure. Do you have
to train for this? Because it sounds like a really
physical show. There's a lot of dancing going on. It's physical,
it's fast paced. Have you been down at the gym
for the past couple of weeks preparing for this?

Speaker 5 (01:49:08):
Well, tell you what, because we say it's like really funny,
and it is really funny. But we because we've got
a cast of like a dozen and we've got some
trained dancers in there, but we've also got kind of
comedians who aren't trade us. But we try. We go
so hard, and I'm the kind of task master and
so I might going no, no left left right, left, left, right.
So we take it really seriously. But because I'm usually

(01:49:30):
stepping out and watching it, so these last few days
where I've been trying to catch up on my dance,
I'm like, oh, puffed, you.

Speaker 2 (01:49:36):
Know, just to bring it back me to me for
a second, I was, you know, I was, I've done
my due diligence, but I missed a few bits and
then I was just looking through some of the notes
and then at one point I've got to dance.

Speaker 3 (01:49:46):
I didn't know that. Well, this is from the start
of Act two.

Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
I danced along to Santa Claus is coming to town.
And that's that's really It's really peaked my nerves.

Speaker 3 (01:49:57):
That one what are you expecting we look, do you?

Speaker 5 (01:50:02):
There's there's no You don't have to dance with anyone,
you don't have to be in sync with anyone. And
you know what, you can of do a bouoblet kind
of like kind of kind of a shuffle to the start.
You just kind of interpret it how you want.

Speaker 3 (01:50:14):
Okay, all right, there's no no judgment here. But I
just want to share a story.

Speaker 24 (01:50:19):
I was.

Speaker 2 (01:50:21):
I signed up to Modern Dance Club when I was
an immediate and just so I could wag, and then
the teachers found out, and then they they made me
perform a dance by myself in front of assembly for
punishment for not going to Modern Dance Club.

Speaker 3 (01:50:32):
So there's there's a little bit of history there. Yeah.
But but but I'll work through it now. Christmas and Crisis.

Speaker 2 (01:50:39):
It's got a theme around ordering online and Christmas consumerism
and one of the stories are.

Speaker 3 (01:50:45):
You making your own presence this year? Are you buying
keywis a secondhand?

Speaker 5 (01:50:48):
How do you?

Speaker 3 (01:50:49):
How do you you know your art?

Speaker 5 (01:50:52):
I'm keeping through to my lot. Sometimes, you know, you
start with the best intention and I've gone for Kiwi
made mostly, but you know, once it gets you know
to twenty third, twenty fourth, you're like, oh, this person
just throw money at the problem.

Speaker 3 (01:51:05):
Yeah, yeah, I thought you were doing you know, if
it's money that the thoughts there.

Speaker 2 (01:51:10):
Yeah, money, and you're doing your bit for Christmas as
it is with Christmas and crisis. You're a busy man, Tom.
You got your stand up, your TV feature films and theater,
and you're going to take a break. It's been a
huge it's been a huge ten years for you.

Speaker 5 (01:51:26):
Tom, it's been pretty bad. I do get so. December
the twenty third from men on, I think it's just
going to be lying on the couch, steering at the
steeling for a good three weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:51:36):
That sounds like a good time. Fantastic. Hey, Tom, all
the very bit, and you too as well, Matt, go
well tonight. This is a big role for you. This
is this is your moment to shine.

Speaker 2 (01:51:46):
I'll just here's the first line that I've got. Okay, okay, warmost, welcome,
dear friends, sweetest lovers and foes. Here's a Christmasy tale
of four different woes.

Speaker 3 (01:51:56):
You pack the right, man, Tom, Is that the time
those dolts at time? Yeah, there's only another two hundred
lines that you've got a nail, but that first one
was pretty good. All right, I'm excited. Thanks for having
me time. I appreciate you thinking of me. Tom great
to chat with you. Go check it out. It says
called A Christmas Crisis opens tonight. Matt Heath is the
narrator tonight. There'll be a different narrator each night. It's

(01:52:17):
at the Q Theater and runs until the twentieth. It
will be a hell of a great time. So if
you want to get your tickets, just go to Q
Theater dot co dot nz. You're listening to news Talks
there B back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:52:28):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:52:36):
B News Talks THEREB. What a great man Tom Sainsbury is.
And I've gotta say, there's only a handful of tickets
left for tonight, the opening night of A Christmas Crisis.
If you want to get your tickets, you better get
in pretty quick. You just go to Q Theater dot
co dot nz search for A Christmas Crisis and you
can see Matt on stage as the narrator.

Speaker 2 (01:52:57):
Yeah, all right, it's going to be good. Hopefully I
don't ruin it for everyone. Hey, guys, the council should
give old people right on lawnmowers instead of mobility scooters
and they can mow the the booms on their way
to the shops.

Speaker 3 (01:53:07):
Problem solved. Actually thinking that is some great thinking. I
think a lot of people enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:13):
What was that fantastic David Lynch film where that brother
decided he was ninety or whatever and decided to drivers
as right on lawn moyer over to see his brother.

Speaker 3 (01:53:23):
It's a great movie. It's the ultimate road.

Speaker 2 (01:53:26):
Story or something. I can't mean what it's called. It's
a really, really, really excellent movie. Guys, have you been
to Arrowtown? Every street has a fruit tree growing on it.
I wonder who looks after that?

Speaker 3 (01:53:35):
Cheers. It's a great place Arrowtown.

Speaker 2 (01:53:37):
Now, you know people talking about planning on burms. The
reason is that the council gets angry about it is
because the services are buried underneath them, and people get
upset if they get dug up to access them. Essentially,
according to this text of burms exists so there is
somewhere all the services can be run and accessed easily.

Speaker 3 (01:53:54):
A water sewage power fire. But that's why they don't
like trees on them.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
Yeah, but you're not looking after them, councils, so we'll
do what we want with them. And look, we're capable
of finding out whether you know, we're not idiots. Yeah,
we can work out where the pipes are and where
the fibers and everything.

Speaker 3 (01:54:10):
We're not blooming children.

Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
We're just as smart as the counsel at knowing where
the correct places to plant something.

Speaker 3 (01:54:16):
Yeah, exactly. Now this text we mentioned verge, boom, nature strip,
So this person's given us a few options, so get
our guys. It has many names, the verge, the nature strip,
the brink, the cusp, the edge, the threshold, the border,
the boundary, the margin, and many more. Besides, nature strip
is the funniest for me though.

Speaker 4 (01:54:33):
Yeah, go the.

Speaker 3 (01:54:34):
Aussies on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:54:35):
All right, then, ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much
for listening to the show. As always, we've loved your chats.
It's been a great old time. The podcast will be
up in about an hour or so if you missed
any of our elongated chat on those dirty student loan
foodsters that are not coming home to pay back their debts. Yeah,

(01:54:56):
the great New Zealander Ryan Bridges in for Heather Doople
see Alan next. But right now, Tyler, my good friend,
why would I be playing this song by Lenny Kravitz?

Speaker 3 (01:55:08):
So what it's called? I didn't know it was Lenny Kravitz.
I've just got to say that before you mentioned it.
But what's the name of this trek piece? Well, that's
a great question, Tyler. You quite often you give me
a little heads up because you ask Andrew or you
tell Andrew what the song is going to be, but
you closed it are to me, Oh, here it is.

Speaker 2 (01:55:25):
It's always on the run, and that's what these people
that are overseas and not paying off their student debt
they'll always be.

Speaker 3 (01:55:33):
They'll always be on the run. They will be always
trying to avoid the IID. It's a great song on
this and.

Speaker 2 (01:55:40):
The guitar you can hear in the background that was
played by slash Guns and Roses, don't you know?

Speaker 3 (01:55:44):
Great show in New Zealand. I think, by the way,
who ever went to Lenny Crevis when you were here
not so long ago? Fantastic perforeman, All right, then you
seem busy.

Speaker 2 (01:55:52):
Will let you go until tomorrow afternoon and give them
a taste of Kiwi from.

Speaker 3 (01:55:55):
Tyler and I Am Love You and Mama Dad, a

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Little lad, a Crazy Mark.

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