Full Show Podcast: 10 July 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you Great New Zealand, and welcome to Matt and
Tyler Full Show, Podcast number one, five eight for Thursday,
the tenth of July twenty twenty five. We didn't get
to the gold Ruse chat. No, we didn't get to
the steamed allegedly and hassling people at a restaurant on
K Road and then going home the perils of bottomless
brunch allegedly esteemed and then posting mean comments about the place.
We didn't get round to that. Probably we went deep

(00:39):
into Uber drivers, had some great chats. There are really
really interesting insights into how they feel about it. It's
probably not the way you think they feel about this
Supreme Court case that's going on around whether they should
be employees instead of the gig economy that they're running
right now.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah, and one of your Uber drivers actually taxed through
and whether he was positive or negative about Matt Heath,
you would just have to listen.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
There was an accusation from an uber driver that had
driven me, and then we just went deep into Rainbow
Warrior chat and I gotta say I love being on
ZB because it's got such a wide reach, such a
huge audience, especially our show Yep that so many people
come through eyewitnesses of the Rainbow Warrior bombing, people that
have seen the bombers of the Rainbow Warrior on trains overseas,

(01:24):
French police officers that were recruited in to help with
the hunt of Dominic Priere and Elaine MafA. So just
an amazing chat and then at the end we go
hard on f one, which I liked as well. It's
a really really enjoyable show today. I hope you enjoy it.

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Speaker 1 (01:47):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
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Speaker 3 (01:56):
The very good afternoon to you. Welcome into Thursday show.
Awesome to have your company as always, Thanks for giving
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Speaker 4 (02:06):
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Speaker 2 (02:09):
Welcome to the new listeners to the show that I
keep hearing joining us every day.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yes, welcome in. We love Heaven you here and the
old ones. Yeah, whoever you are, we love heaven you here.
You are good, good people and we love you. Hey,
just before we get into what's on the show today,
I think you've got a bit of a mere culprit
to make.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
Each another way. Yeah, a bit of an apology.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
It's nineteen of the show. Is me apologizing for things
I've done?

Speaker 4 (02:32):
Yeah, it's good content.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
It's an apology to a particular vegetable that I absolutely
adore and I think most New Zealanders are.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
Again, so the humble old parsnip.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
So last night you went to a very very lovely, beautiful,
highly regarded cafe restaurant, yep, and a picture that you
sent through to me last night had a little bit
of parsnip in it.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Okay. So when we were talking about Sunday Roast a
few weeks ago, I said that I hate the parsnip.
I think there's no reason for the partnp to exist
and I'm completely anti parsnip. And then it is true
that I did go to the French cafe last night
and was served Hawk's Bay lamb rump parsnip spice, cabbage
and tumeric, and it was to die for. Thank you,

(03:20):
Oh my goodness. And that's a testament how great the
French cafe is. That it can make parsnips so delicious,
the absolute scourge of veggies, so delicious that every mouthful
you go, oh my god. In fact, we were eating
the tasting menu and look, once again, they're not paying
me for this. This is a personal correspondence between me

(03:41):
and Tyler, Tyler and I that is now spewing onto
the airwaves. But it was the tasting menu and every
it was date night for my partner and I, and
every single little mouthful we had we went, oh my god,
that's delicious. You know that the French cafe is going
to be good, but it's still better then you can imagine.

(04:05):
Each time.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
There was a lot of elements to that parsnip dish.
I've got to say, and it looks very, very beautiful,
but can I just get just a little parsnip. I'm
so sorry I misjudged you.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Look, it takes people of the quality of the French
cafe to turn the past them round. But you know,
I've got to say, it wasn't as quite as good
as the dry age duck, spiced leg, grilled leak and
pomegranate and date situation that I had as well.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Love it all right, I'll take a half mere copper
from you. That's the best I'm going to get. Right
to today's show after three point thirty. It is forty
years ago today since two bombs went off in Auckland's
Watermatter Harbor under the cover of darkness, the destruction of
the Green Peace ship Rainbow Warrior, of course, which was
used to protest nuclear testing in the Pacific by the French.
Many New Zealanders, of course, still find that hard to believe.

(04:54):
But for those involved in planting the bomb on behalf
of the French government. The attack on July ten, nineteen
eighty five was intended only as a blunt warning to
the protesters, but sadly cost one person in their lives.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Well, as I've already said to you, Tyler, you know,
if you blow a whole the size of a car
in the side of a boat, then there's a good
chance someone's going to get hurt.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
It's a bit of danger to that, yeah, absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
And it still amazes me that the French did that
to an ally so close to World War Two where
we expended a lot of our youth defending their country
for them. But yeah, I mean for you, it's a
different story. You went alive when that happened. For people
my age, Alan MafA and Dominic Priuiere, those names are
just burned into your memory. So we want to talk

(05:38):
about that later on. What do you think about the
whole rainborous situation forty years on? And there's a new
podcast in Sidmey's release today, yes, on the subject.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
So that is after three point thirty looking forward to
that after three o'clock. Big news in the sporting world
and the F one wild Christian Horner, the principle of
Red Bull has been sacked and this has sent shockwaves
around the world and in that sport and for you,
drama continues.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
Man appslutely.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
So when this came through, I was deep in my
notes looking at the new power units that for twenty
twenty six new regulations are coming through and this came
through and it's a huge bombshell. But if one is
just so huge at the moment, it's peaked. It's always
been huge, but it feels like it's peaking right now.
You've got the movie out. There's been how many seasons

(06:28):
of drive to survive? You had half a million people
at Silverstone across the weekend. It's the hugest thing in
the world. So what do you think of if one
out there? Why do you love it? Why do you
hate it? And on top of that, let's go deep
into this whole Christian Horner sacking with HEROLD reporter Alex Powell.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
Yep, looking forward to that after three o'clock.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
If one, if one, if one one. And then of
course there's what does this all mean for our boy
Liam Lawson.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Can't forget about Liam. That's why a lot of people
in New Zealanders are excited about it. We've got a
boy in there.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, great New Zealander.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Yep, absolutely, that's after three o'clock. After two o'clock, former
Green Party MP Goleres Gurham and She took to social
media to call out an Auckland restaurant she alleged subject
did her and her group to gross treatment. But the
owner or the co owner, i should say, of the
k Road restaurant. He has knocked back at those claims,
saying that their behavior, the group's behavior was lacking and

(07:20):
the incident made them question offering the Eatey's Bottomless.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
Brunch in the future.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Aka they were passed behaving badly and needed to be
removed because of that.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, I mean, who you're gonna believe in the situation
the person that has shown they have no respect for
establishments in the past with shoplifting situations. But how do
you deal with malicious and unjustified comments about your business online?
How do you deal with that? Should there be consequences
for people who that make unjustified accusations about your business publicly?

(07:50):
Because the kind of accusation she's made could seriously damage
this business. So you would expect a huge amount of
proof behind what someone's saying. Or do you think it's
just free speech and everyone should be able to say
whatever they want. And you know people can see through
this kind of thing. And do you even check on
reviews before you go to place?

Speaker 6 (08:09):
I do?

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah, not that she was doing an online review. She
was just spewing anger out on Instagram.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
Exactly that is.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
But you know there are places that people post online reviews.
You care about them?

Speaker 3 (08:20):
The Google reviews, I'll give them a look, But what
I care about them? You'd have to look at the
comments and if you can see they're un hinged like
this clearly was clearly I wouldn't I wouldn't judge anything
with any element of nuance.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Another other question on top of that as how do
you deal with large groups of people that are steamed
and you've got to get them out of your restaurant
because you're on the hook for them. You know, if
there's people that are drunk in your restaurant, then you
can get in trouble, you can get huge fines. So
how do you politely move people out of a restaurant

(08:53):
if they're if they're clearly intoxicated.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
I've seen some very messy bottomless brunches in my time,
but that is.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
I've been involved in the view.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
But yeah, it's up to do. But right now, let's
have a chat about Uber.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
So they are currently in the Supreme Court trying to
appeal in earlier judgments. So they lost in a landmark
employment Court decision in twenty twenty two when four Uber
drivers were granted workplace protection. So this meant the driver's
got employee benefits such as leave entitlements, minimum wage, holiday,
pay key, we savor, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
So the hearing is.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Underway right now, but we want to broaden that out
to have a chat to you. If you've been involved
as an Uber driver, Uber each driver, Door Dash, whatever,
how hard is it to actually earn money with this
profession in twenty twenty five, because I've seen and whether
there's any element to truth to this, but seen a
lot of social media postings and rants on Reddit from

(09:49):
Uber drivers saying that they worked twelve hour days and
they only took home forty dollars and they are working
seventy hour weeks and still only getting a couple one
hundred bucks. Now that's not livable, is it if you're
working that hard and you're still only getting a couple
hundred bucks.

Speaker 7 (10:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
The other side of this, Tyler as the flexibility that
the model the Uber runs affords a driver the gig economy,
and Uber believes that nine out of ten of their
drivers would quit if it was a different kind of situation.
And I was in Dunedin, the pretty city, my hometown,
and I was getting an Uber back from the rugby

(10:25):
at Forsyth Bar. What a great event that was, yep, fantastic.
What a great town it is born in the South,
she's roll in my mouth, et cetera. But I was
talking to the Uber driver and he'd driven up from
out of town to drive that day, and he was
raving about driving for Uber and how great it was,
and his mum drove for Uber as well.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
That's his a lot, you know, when your whole family
involved and they absolutely love it.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
He said it had just been such a boon for him.
So maybe where he lived in a small Southland town,
you didn't have to make so much money, and you
know he was going out of town, driving out of
town to drive around for big events whatever. But there
are Uber drivers that think it's fantastic. So if you're
an Uber driver, do you think it's fair? And also
I want to ask, are you worried about this kind

(11:07):
of you know, the treatments of the drivers when you
book an Uber do you think about that. I always
leave a tip, but some people say leaving a tip
just lets Uber off the hook for paying their drivers properly.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
Yeah, it can be a slippery, slippery slope.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
But keen to hear from you on oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty the phones have lit up. If you
can't get through, keep trying, but really keen to get
your views. If you're an Uber driver, it is sixteen
past one.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
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Speaker 3 (11:42):
Be good afternoon. If you're an Uber driver, love to
hear from you. On oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
how hard is.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
It to earn a living? Uber?

Speaker 3 (11:49):
The company is currently in the Supreme Court trying to
argue that Uber drivers should remain as contract as not employees.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
And would you boycott Uber if you didn't think that
their employment conditions were good for the drivers or you
or people just addicted to the cheapness of it?

Speaker 3 (12:07):
But easy for me to say, absolutely I would, But
it can be hard in a place like New Zealand,
where they have a monopoly on that style of driving.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Mate, you can still get an old school taxing. Yeah, true, Peter,
you're an Uber driver.

Speaker 8 (12:18):
I am, indeed, I have been for three years. I've
got nothing bad to say about it. I do on
an average of fifty five hours a week. I'm pretty
religious in the hours that I work, and I don't
vary from them and on the worst day. On the
very worst day, I might go home with two hundred dollars,

(12:42):
So I wonder to say they go home with forty dollars.
I don't know what they're doing, but they're not working.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
What can you do, Peter, to increase your chances of
earning a decent amount of money when you know when
you're out about on a shift.

Speaker 8 (12:57):
Realistically, I'm no different Madi owner. I open the doors,
so I don't know what I'm going to sell one
peck of a biscuits or three hundred pag cigarette right
and there's no no reason as to what is going
to make a busy day. You just have to stick
it out there, you really do. There's no cigarette formula,

(13:20):
there's no place here to hang around. If you want
to be lazy, you're just going to sit at the airport.
I take people through the airport and then leave the
area and head somewhere else where. I'm going to find
a customer.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Can you mind us me asking, Peter, how much you
think you make in a year. You've been doing it
for three years, so what what's your annually?

Speaker 8 (13:42):
Last year I got a statement remover ninety five.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 4 (13:50):
On bed for how many elements week?

Speaker 2 (13:52):
But that's fifty five hours a week, did you say, Peter,
Oh well.

Speaker 8 (13:56):
I mean, can we take out of it your you're
on road expenses in registerence, so I get, you know,
quite a bit back here and there. I'm not not.
At the end of the day, if you stick at it,
you'll make it. I mean, the opportunity to work nights

(14:20):
is more lucrative. You then run the higher risk of
perhaps someone a little bit in the car and then
just goodbye. Clean.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
It's an amazing business where someone can just be sick
in your car. It's terrible. It's a terrible situation. Now,
would you if a bunch of the the the normal
protections that would come in as has been debated in
the in the Supreme Court at the moment, would you
stick around if if that flexibility went went away?

Speaker 9 (14:56):
Of course?

Speaker 8 (14:57):
I mean, I mean, they're not going to be able
to make me work any more else than I wish
to work. No, I can't see any any good coming
from it. I mean, basically, I think the only reason
the unions, that's just my personal opinion, are wanting to

(15:17):
force the hand is so called everyday taxi driver who
was really reaping it for a long time is on
more of an even footing.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yeah, but just breaking down your the ninety five thousand
a year estimates and that's a fair wage in anyone's
anyone's books, But that of course is a contract.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
To Peter. You don't get holiday time.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Arguably, you're going to have to work over the Christmas
period because that's when the big fears are you don't
work on Christmas, but you don't if you're sick, you
don't get paid. So all those elements come into it,
right it.

Speaker 8 (15:52):
Is, But realisticly it's a lifestyle. You don't like it,
you don't want to do it, don't do it.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
What do you say to this TEXTA that's just come through, Peter?
The New Zealand government should ban Uber entirely from New
Zealand unless they start operating like a proper employer. At
the moment, it's just MyD and day slavery.

Speaker 8 (16:10):
Well, I don't see myself as being a play from anyone.
I get told and I am told to do more
at home by my wife than overtells. Really do.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
And Peter, how much downtime do you have?

Speaker 6 (16:25):
Say?

Speaker 2 (16:25):
You know you're saying you're working fifty five hours a week.
How much downtime do you have and how do you
interstanin yourself in the car between rides and stuff.

Speaker 8 (16:33):
Oh it's very easy. I'm looking at recipes or I'm
planning holidays, but I can't do any more than four
or five rides in an hour. Ye, I mean you
just can't do it. You know, of the short rides
you might get, you know, four or five then, but

(16:55):
as an hourly rate, about thirty six thirty six dollars
an hour, and they can drop they can drop down
to you know, twelve dollars in an hour.

Speaker 5 (17:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (17:08):
Again, no different from a area, ain't it.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
There you go? Thank you so much for you call Peter.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yeah, great call Ebbs and flows obviously though, to go
from thirty six to twelve, but ninety five k per
year on average estimated, that is not a bad wicket.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Oh damn, I've forgot to I'm sure we'll get another
Uber driver. I was gonna ask what percentage of people tip?

Speaker 10 (17:25):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yes, because I always tip the maximum amount yep. But
as I said before, I've been told that that might
be letting Uber off the hook.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
What's the maximum amount? Twenty percent?

Speaker 11 (17:33):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (17:34):
I don't know this.

Speaker 12 (17:34):
Three.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yeah, I think it's fifty percent. Actually, there's very generous
of you. No, they can go up to fifty.

Speaker 7 (17:39):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
No, it's not fifty percent. I'll look at that. Ye
definitely not. I just go three options. I go for
the top one. You're d because I'm a nice guy, Tyler,
not like you.

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Very generous. Oh one hundred and eightyeen eighty, you're stooy.
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Speaker 3 (19:30):
Very good afternoon. Sure, it's twenty nine past one. We
are talking about driving for Uber. They're currently in the
Supreme Court trying to argue that Uber drivers should remain
as contract as not employees.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yes, so before you're talking about tipping, Yes, tipping Uber drivers,
And you asked how much it was, and I said,
I don't know, but I always do the third option.
So I was just looking at here. I haven't actually
done it yet. I'm about to tip the last Uber
ride I got, which was in Dunedin, yep. From a
barn Air Forsyth bar stadium up to my dad's house
in Kaiker Valley night, and I'm about to tip. My

(20:02):
options are one dollar, three dollars or five dollars. So
we've got a text here say it used to be
changed to percentages about a year ago. Key, he is hopeless
at maths. The dollar amount was better. Ah, So I've
got an option between one dollar, three dollars and five dollars.
So look at me, what a good man. I'm gonna
five dollars.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
That's very general. How much? How much was a uba altogether?

Speaker 2 (20:21):
It was eleven dollars and nineteen cents.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
So that's close to fifty percent. That is very that is.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Close to fifty percent. Yeah, just churns it down to three.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
Hi, did you give him five stars?

Speaker 15 (20:32):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yep, five stars. Yep, five stars, five bucks.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
Thumbs up.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Good chat for Shin. Do you go, frid Do you go?

Speaker 7 (20:37):
Mate?

Speaker 4 (20:38):
Yeah, here we go.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Use that five dollars wisely, Oh, e one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
To call Megan. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 16 (20:45):
Oh good, ask the names, gentlemen. So five years ago
Dad was retired. He was a barber most of life,
and he said, on board, I want to become an
uber driver. He said, Dad, you've never used an iPhone, mate,
I'll never know how it's going to go. Anyway. Fast
forward five years later, he's a five star Diamond driver.
It's completed over fifteen thousand trips and he loves the flexible.

(21:09):
We don't let him work at night. He's only allowed
to work during the day. So seventy seven years old,
he gets probably an extra eight hundred thousand dollars a week, eight.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Hundred thousand dollars a week, or eight hundred dollars.

Speaker 9 (21:21):
A week eight hundred thousand dollars, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Eight hundred thousand dollar a week, would aility of it? Yeah,
And I guess he's he's got his pension coming in
as well, so that's that's a nice little top up.

Speaker 16 (21:34):
He usually, you know, he does his Monday and his Tuesday,
he does his golf with his buddies. On Wednesdays, he
works a little bit. Thursday, Friday's all right, he might
do some work or he might do whatever. Probably averages
five to forty hours a week.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
So if he was classed, if he suddenly you know,
this came through and he was classed as an employee
going forward, would would he continue doing it? Or is
it the flexibility that that brings them, brings them to
the job.

Speaker 17 (22:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (22:00):
I don't think he'd give a continental which way it goes.
But he gets to spending money per week, which means
he can do all those things that he can still
want to do.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
One it's fine, what's your gut field, Meghan, when you
look at that court case and just you know, a
broad view, but the idea of getting holiday pay and
if you're sick, you still get you still get paid
by uber. I mean, do you think that's it's a
workable model for something like what your dad does?

Speaker 18 (22:25):
Well?

Speaker 16 (22:25):
I think you either have to make the choice you
want to be a contractor and the things that go
with the contractor fall on your plate, or if you
want to be an employeer, you go and get a
job where you are an employee.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah. So, Meghan, though your dad probably doesn't need to
do it, he does it because it makes his life
a little bit better. But he's not dependent on it.
If you're you know what I'm saying, Yeah.

Speaker 16 (22:46):
Full disclosure. It makes all our lives a lot easier
to business.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
But you know what I mean, if he probably doesn't
need to the same protetions.

Speaker 16 (22:58):
It doesn't he doesn't have to think about it.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah, and I suppose it's purpose in life, you know,
once you retire and what do you say, seventy seven?
The ability he plays golf with his mates and then
the ability to drive around and chet to people.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
That's that's it.

Speaker 16 (23:11):
And then sorry, you get a Friday night, get to
hear all the better work stories from the week's editor.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Well, by working in the day, he probably doesn't have
the sort of vomitous work stories that the people that
work at night get, which.

Speaker 16 (23:25):
Is no, no, it's definitely not loud of work at night. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Oh, that's good. Thank you so much for sharing, Megan.
That's that's the positive side of it. Yeah, you know,
if you've retired, you know you've got your super coming in.
That's it's a pretty good option.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Yeah, an eight hundred bucks ext for a week. But
if you do it as your full time job, love
to hear from you. What would you estimate your hourly
rate to be? Is it incredibly tough? Do you have
to work long hours? One hundred and eight ten eighty?

Speaker 2 (23:49):
What does textasys? Matt? You didn't tip me and we
had a good connection. Who's this?

Speaker 6 (23:54):
Look?

Speaker 2 (23:54):
I tip every of a driver.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
You got them, you got it.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
We're going to do some digging. I'm going to I'll
give you a ring in the air brake and find
out more.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
And I always have a good connection with mob drivers.
I like a chat. Punish them with a chat. Actually,
twenty seven to two.

Speaker 19 (24:11):
US Talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's
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overhaul of laws countering money laundering and financing of terrorism.
Changes include giving police more power to freeze accounts, but
still giving people access to money for food and bills.

(24:33):
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(24:58):
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(25:19):
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Now back to Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
Thank you very much, Wendy.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
So Man's just going back through a zuber account to
make sure he's been honest with the people in New
Zealand that he does always tip.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Well, yeah, I've gone right back to the fifteenth of
May because someone text texted in and said I didn't
give him the tip, but we made a good connection
and I have found someone that I didn't tip back then,
but all the ones up to then I have, so
adding a tip now?

Speaker 15 (25:46):
All right?

Speaker 4 (25:47):
How much was the full rod?

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Can I edit it now? Surely it says no tip? Ugh,
let me edit tip?

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Shall we say a text doo? Do you want to
just text and say what would be a fear tipping
him out? From Matt Heath, I'd say around fifty bucks
would be about.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
I'll just look back through about fifteen they're all five dollars.
But I think I failed and I think it's the
same guy I failed to tip on. I feel terrible
and I can't do it invoice. Yeah, anyway, if you're
an uber driver, can you tell me a couple of things?
O one hundred and eight, ten and eighty? Can I
do a historical tip back from the fifteenth of May?
And secondly, how much of the tip goes to you?

(26:21):
As an Uber driver?

Speaker 4 (26:22):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah, I feel bad. I think I think I didn't
tip someone that's terrible.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
I'm going to give them a ring in the air break.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Hey, guys, people choose to be Uber drivers, and they
therefore choose or opt into everything that entails. Flexibility is
one of the biggest It works for all sorts of
groups of people, students, part time, extra income, the extra
on the side, et cetera, and ten percent. There are
lots who are very happy it's on the side or
the down low. It works because of its contract to

(26:48):
gig status. Sure, Uber should be reviewed as an entity
by ID and as a country, we're entitled to ensure
they are paying the right taxes on their income. But
the drivers are exactly what Uber says they are. They
are users of the service as much as they are
as a passenger. They opt in as a user a driver.
They are contractors absolutely. They are nowhere near employees as

(27:09):
we know it. Against this text, Bob says the whole
point of minimum wages is not to have tipping that
gives businesses an out on paying for the lives they
use to get the work done. That hour is irreplaceable
to the person you hired. You can never give it back.
You're encouraging seft by businesses over their workers. We don't
want the American system here. Thanks for that, Bob. There's

(27:30):
two different opinions there, Greg, you're an Uber Eats driver.

Speaker 7 (27:35):
I am, indeed rightingly yep.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
And yeah, you're enjoying it and you're making good did
you say reluctantly?

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Greg?

Speaker 9 (27:43):
Reluctantly?

Speaker 7 (27:44):
The money is not worth doing these days, not even
worth worth starting the carboard? Really well, three four years
ago it uhuld be good money. I could make six
seven hundred bucks a week part time in the evenings
and weekends. I'm like you if I can do two
fifty in a week.

Speaker 6 (28:00):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (28:00):
And is that across the board? You know, because you've
chosen to be an uber each driver rather than a
passenger driver.

Speaker 7 (28:08):
I'm not a passenger drop because they don't have a
taxi passages.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Endorsement on my life, Oh right.

Speaker 7 (28:14):
That's an expensive score and itself. You that's four four
five hundred bucks just to get you've got to renew
it every couple of years. What really worth doing?

Speaker 2 (28:23):
What keeps you going? Greg? If it's not worth it?

Speaker 7 (28:27):
In fact, we're in a living crisis. So you know,
I've got two kids to pea, so it's money to
keep keep the food on the table, keep the lights
on pretty much.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Well, good on you. That's fantastic you're standing up to
do that for your families. So is this your only
gig or have you got another gig?

Speaker 7 (28:43):
Yes, that's the only gig. Yeah, but this, Yeah, by
the time, you know, you've got to got to pay
tax on that money that you earn. You've got to
pay your fuel, your running costs. And when you're only
getting offered five six dollars a delivery and it's going
seven eight nine k's away from when you're where you
pick it up from, you've still got to get to
that location, which could be another three four k, So

(29:04):
it could be a ten k trip for six bucks.
It's just it ain't ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Are you claiming back that fuel on your taxes?

Speaker 7 (29:12):
You've got to You've got to have everything to do it.
But it's more so much paperwork involve it. A GI
size hatter.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, I mean, there are some quite good apps that
will do that, do that for you, Henry for example.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
So so, Greg, what's what's the answer here that I
mean to Customers need to face up there. Perhaps for
the likes of Uber each we need to pay more
as consumers or Uber taking the piss.

Speaker 7 (29:38):
Uber's taking taking the pers litterally, because when you order
online through the Overeach app, you or three McDonalds or something,
you're actually paying two sometimes up to two dollars extra
for an item. So you're look at what you pay
for a big Mac in the store now, which is
about eighty seventy or something in the store you're paying
ten to seventy for And on the app.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Yeah, I have heard there's about a thirty percent mark
up when you use Uber each, which is fair enough
because you're paying for that convenience and then you for
the delivery. But the fact that you're only getting five
to six bucks per trip, and then that doesn't account
for as you say, petrol, mileage, everything else, wear and tear,
as you say, you just can't live on that.

Speaker 7 (30:21):
And then and then a lot of time as well
as a lot of the waters, a lot of delivery question.
You get a double step. Are you going to go
to two different packups?

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Right?

Speaker 8 (30:30):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, and so.

Speaker 7 (30:32):
You might get off at nine bucks through two deliveries.
That's going to take it half an hour?

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah, that's not good.

Speaker 7 (30:38):
Later the food's ready when you go to pack it up.
You've got to go or restaurant. Pack one order up.
That's really straight away. If you go to the next
one and they're not ready, yes to there for five minutes,
the other order is getting cold. Do you get deliveries?

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Do you get many tips?

Speaker 4 (30:55):
Greg?

Speaker 11 (30:56):
No?

Speaker 7 (30:57):
Tips? Have dropped it right off, right drop right off.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Do you think that maybe because people don't have a
connection with the the Uber each driver in the same
way that they have with the driver. You know, you're
sitting in the backseat the car. You have a chat
with them, and that leads to it.

Speaker 6 (31:11):
Have a part of it.

Speaker 7 (31:14):
The food because you've been held up.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah, right, Yeah, people don't know. The people have no
idea what you're going through when when you're delivering that food,
do they.

Speaker 7 (31:25):
They don't actually care about Uber does money on the
slade for them, so they take this sweet time getting
orders ready.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Yeah right, yeah again, Greg, I mean this, this is
this is why it's a complicated situation because I absolutely
sympathize with what you're saying. But if Uber decides it's
too hard and gets out of New Zealand, which may
be a possibility, then then you're up the creek because
you've lost the ability to do that job.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
And so I keep coming back to us as consumers.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
Surely we you know, maybe need to accept that we're
going to pay a bit more or you know, that
tipping side of the culture that gets pushed back on
should be encouraged.

Speaker 4 (32:03):
For the likes of you, guys.

Speaker 7 (32:07):
Feel in with encourage or the drivers are out, they're
trying to make a living like everybody else. You can't
make it, then just disappear.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Do you think that lets Uber off that? If that
lets Uber off the hook though, if people are volunteering
to tap, then Uber gets away with not paying you know,
drivers properly.

Speaker 7 (32:28):
Who knows you're American?

Speaker 8 (32:30):
Yeah, they just they're creaming it.

Speaker 7 (32:35):
And yeah, a lot of drivers, I mean the taxi drivers,
they probably get better, better money for what they do,
but these drivers.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
Just think it happen at the end of the day, Greg,
getting a tip in cash clearly would be a better
way to do it, right. I mean, look, I know
there's some there might be some some legal sides to
that that situation, but if you're providing a tap, I
don't want you.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
But to get that tap.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Uber have provided the service, but the person who's done
the league workers you. I want you to get one
hundred percent of that tip.

Speaker 7 (33:04):
That we do get the tips when they come through,
so you do get them. But yeah, yeah, very few
on bar between Now.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Hey, Greg, are you looking for another job actively? Is
it that you know? You you you're out there looking
for another.

Speaker 7 (33:19):
Job, exploring options or just giving out completely?

Speaker 1 (33:22):
You know?

Speaker 7 (33:23):
Yeah, it's fifty fifty at the moment.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
What would happen if you gave up completely? Would you
have to go on on a benefit?

Speaker 20 (33:30):
Ah?

Speaker 7 (33:31):
Most likely?

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah, pretty much it Yeah, well, well, yeah, hopefully there's
a job out for you that pays you what you deserve. Greg,
Thank you so much for your calling your insights.

Speaker 4 (33:41):
Yeah, absolutely certainly tough out there for a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
This Texter Jeff says you more on who me?

Speaker 9 (33:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (33:49):
Probably you must be new here.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Do you not know how hard people are trying to
do away with tipping in the US? Do not encourage
the slave wage practice here? I don't know if people
are trying. Some people are trying to get word of tipping,
but they're recently moving to remove tax of tipping.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
Which makes sense.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Yeah, I've got an over in the States that makes
very good money working in the bar. From the tips.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
Yeah. Absolutely. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number of call got to take a break. It
is fourteen to two.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Your home of afternoon talk, mad Heathen, Taylor Adams. Afternoons call, Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talk.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
They'd be ar it's very good afternoon to you. You
be you're an uber driver?

Speaker 9 (34:32):
Is that right?

Speaker 1 (34:34):
No?

Speaker 6 (34:34):
I'm not.

Speaker 5 (34:34):
I just had a own. I'm a contractor. So I
find it interesting that Uber drivers would ask to be
made employees because I think they're being led up the
garden path a little bit. As an employee, there's no
deductibility and Peter and I think Regg touched on it

(34:56):
as well your previous callers, which is you have the
ability to claim an amount of GST, You've got your
vehicle running expenses, You've got al sorts of other things
that are deductible. The minute you're an employee in this country,
none of that is the situation, and I think that
leads people into a situation of.

Speaker 7 (35:17):
Actually getting less by the time.

Speaker 5 (35:19):
They become an employee and being also captured by all
the rules of that.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah, and if you're an employee, then you'll be put
on the shifts that your boss tells you to be on.

Speaker 5 (35:31):
Yeah, Whereas as an independent contractor they have all those
tax deductibilities that make a business operation work.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
It sounded like Greg found that too complicated to do.

Speaker 5 (35:47):
He chose not to at the level he was operating
at Peter at ninety thousand dollars a year. Now, he's
getting quite a bit of mileage on his car. Surely
he's able to claim depreciation. Surely he's able to claim
his fuel and various other things that tires and what
have you that are running expenses other with the car.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
You seem to know quite a little bit about this.
If you get one of one of those accounting apps
that do everything pretty much for you, that's taxed up,
that deductible as well, isn't it what you use for accounting.

Speaker 5 (36:21):
Professional services and the whole lot. So there's no deductibility
at all around what would be, in my opinion, considerable
running expenses of a business of being an uber driver.
There's no deductibility at all in the minute you become
an employee.

Speaker 6 (36:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
What do you feel about this gig economy growing and
what it does to like in this case taxi drivers
that that work for a company that don't really exists
so much anymore, do they?

Speaker 4 (36:51):
I should know this, but say if you will.

Speaker 8 (36:53):
All businesses must move with the times.

Speaker 5 (36:57):
We're in a modern landscape of whatever, however it works innovation.
We're all told to be pivot and find new ways
of doing business, and so Uber just really represents that.
Last time I was in La you can't even get
a taxi, whereas the Uber, you know what your price
is going to be, you know what you see is
going to be, you know how far away they are,

(37:20):
know what you're going to ride, and and you also
you know the matter of the tips. Just to mention
that I always to give a cash it's easy.

Speaker 10 (37:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
I remember last time I tried to get a taxi
in Vicago and the woman told me off for asking
when it was going to arrive. And I was thinking,
you know, I'm not sure if Uber has arrived in
a Vicago yet, but I was thinking, you're right for
the plucking on that one, and this you make the service.
What we expect now is to know when the car
is going to arrive, and and you know how much,
you know how much is going to cost. I was

(37:53):
in Dunedin. Recently, and I was at this restaurant called
Joe's Garage, and it used to be one of those
taxi rank ranks where the company owned all the taxis
and the drivers just came in and drive drove there
and you'd line up and they'd come out like the
like the sick contact.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
Yeah, remember those days.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
You are thinking how long ago is that?

Speaker 16 (38:11):
You know?

Speaker 2 (38:11):
And we're never going back to that. You're quite right.
Thank you for your call, buddy.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
Thanks very much, good time, Thanks very much.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Are we a little bit late, so we'll play some
messages and come back with more of your calls very shortly.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
It is seven to two.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty tight. It's mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons news TALGZB.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
News Talk ZB. It is five to two. Who has
started in a vcago?

Speaker 2 (38:38):
This textas says, just so we know Steve.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
Okay, thanks.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
If you rely on tipsy this text to get another job,
you keep pushing and tipping will increase. Would you too,
muppets work at ZB just for tips? No instead of
your but if you want to give me a tip,
then then I'll expect my bank account number instead of
the ways you get because the end result is inevitable.
All it takes is stupidity, dumb ifs and time. I

(39:01):
was born to a New Zealand that never tip. Now
it's here. Remember that, Matt, you're helping New Zealand become
a little America.

Speaker 4 (39:07):
Wow, I don't know you were. I was just do that.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
So it's funny. Is that sort of what do they
talk about? Suicidal empathy? Where you empathetic, you give the tip,
but the actual result is much worse for your country. Yeah, yeah,
you know. First I've felt good. I feel a little,
a little good, look like I'm a good person when
I tip Anoba driving.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
Apart from that one person that takes through. But you'll
make that right, and this Texas says, getay, guys. Uber
should have a fleet of cars and be made to
pay minimum hourly rates, holidays, sick pay. At least even
if you claim all expensive with Uber, you still only
earn five dollars per hour. Literally, Uber operates on unskilled
slave labor from other countries. That is ruining the lives

(39:44):
of real kiwis.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Yeah, but I'll tell you what if you do that,
then we won't have Uber anymore.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
Exactly, and I do really really like Uber.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
It's a good.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
Service, right.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
Thank you very much to everyone who phoned and called
on that really enjoyed that discussion. New sport and weather
is coming up. It is fantastic to have your company
as always. Hope you're having a great Thursday afternoon. You
listening to Matt and Tyler. See you're on the other.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Side talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathan Taylor
Adams Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
It'd be very very good afternoon to you. Welcome back
into the show. Seven past two. So on this day,
forty years ago, two explosions bombs went off in Auckland,
White a Matter Harbor under the cover of darkness. By morning,
the destruction of the Greenpeace ship Rainbow Warrior, used to
protest nuclear testing in the Pacific was playing for all

(40:47):
to see. What followed in the days and weeks afterwards
was a tale of lies, spies, political maneuvering, and New
Zealand authorities fighting to catch those responsible and their French
counterparts while they tried to cover their tracks.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
What a time.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Yeah, there's a fantastic new podcast out on the subject today.
Listen to Rainbow Warrior Forgotten History on iheartrad or wherever
you get your podcast search for Forgotten History or find
out at inzid Herald, dot Cota and z Ford slash
Rainbow Warrior forty years ago today. So what does it
mean to you, Tyler? Oh e one hundred and eighty
ten eighty What does it mean to you, dear listener?

Speaker 16 (41:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (41:24):
What does it mean to you Tyler? Because you were
born after it happened.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
Yeah, So I was born December that year, nineteen eighty five,
nearing my fortieth birthday, so to speak.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
And yeah, and I.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
What do you want? What have you got for your birthday?

Speaker 4 (41:39):
A nice tip would be would be pretty good.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Actually, I'll give you a five dollar tip.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
I'll give you a list.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
But yeah, So I started to learn properly about what
happened on that day when I was about twelve, thirteen, fourteen,
I think about the time I started high school and
one of the teachers was talking about it. But I
do recall my mum and dad being pretty animated about
what happened that day and the anger they felt. And
I've got to say, when I started reading up about
what happened. I felt a lot of anger towards the

(42:04):
French government at the time what had happened there. How
they managed to avoid too much conviction over in their
home state of France. They were shipped to away to
a particular penitentiary, but then brought back into the fold
relatively quickly. So there was a lot of injustice. I
could see that, the massive injustice that was a play there,
and it didn't feel like when I was getting reading

(42:26):
about what had happened that, particularly for the family of
this person who was killed, there was no justice for them.
And to this day, I don't think that's the case.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Well, Eze hundred and eighty ten eighty, what do you
think about the Rainbow Warriors situation forty years later? Do
you think that we capitulated to France what we clearly did?
But does that still rankle you?

Speaker 20 (42:49):
Is that a word?

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Blankle you?

Speaker 7 (42:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (42:52):
You rankled?

Speaker 11 (42:53):
Does it?

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Because it kind of annoys me how we rolled over.
Not so much that I won't go and watch French
play the or Blacks. Yeah, but I feel like we
were just steamrolled. We were a little country, they were
a big country, and we were just got steamrolled. They
did something so very shock, which was to plant bombs
on a boat in the harbor of a country that

(43:16):
was your ally, that had fought for you, that had
lost a lot of our young men fighting for your
country just twenty years before that. Absolutely, it's hard to
comprehend how shocking it is that they did that on
our shores.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
What did you think, because you would have been a
young teenager at the time that it happened. What was
going through your head when that hit the news in
nineteen eighty five.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
I think I was younger than that, but I can't remember.
I just remember, you know, when you're in little you
don't really comprehend things. So I was the rainbow worry
it got bombed. I was so confused. But the names Elaine,
MafA and Dominic Pria absolutely burnt into my memories, absolutely burnt.
So I followed it. But you know, I'm not you know,

(44:02):
you know, when you're at intermediate you're not really able
to sort of generate outrage towards things like that, you know,
you know, it's not really the position you're in in life.
So it was kind of a mystery back then. Auckland
was a mystery to me. Auckland was just this a
big place where TV shows came out of and there

(44:23):
was a bombing and some weird stuff happened, and Dave
Dobbin was involved in a riot. There was all kinds
of weird stuff coming out of Auckland. The whole thing
confused me.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
Yeah, But am I fair to say this because again
a lot of anger towards France and they're arrogance on
how they treated us in New Zealand, And hopefully that
relationship has been repaired a lot in the last forty years.
But I still felt reading up on what had happened
as a teenager anger, not just France, but some of
our other allies, the UK, Australia, some of the others

(44:54):
who I felt reading up didn't come to our defense
enough that particularly at a time, you know, where we
weren't a hell of a long time after a major war,
that those relationships should have been iron clad. In fact,
we were left on our own to try and defend
ourselves against an ally bombing one of our vessels here

(45:18):
in New Zealand, and none of our allies stood up
and said, France, yeah, we're coming for you because you
can't do that.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Yeah, And someone's pointed out, Matt, you've twice said fighting
the French twenty years before, it was forty years before.
I mean, that's a good point. It's clearly twenty years
before would be nineteen sixty five, nineteen forty five US
of course, when our World War two ended. So I'm
an idiot for saying that, And thank you Mike for
pointing that out, because I would have continued saying that.

Speaker 4 (45:42):
But anyway, forty years, forty years, forty.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Years since we fought for them in Europe, miles and
miles and miles on the other side of the planet.
We send our people over there to fight for them. Yeah,
and then just to mere forty years later, they were
trialing nukes in our backyard and bombing protest ships, and
the White of Matar have.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
A slap in the face. But many would also argue
that was a defining moment for New Zealand, as in,
for you know, many people might have seen New Zealand
as just a sort of backwater country somewhere in the Pacific.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
I think they thought we were some kind of banana
republic that we didn't really have any way of pushing back.
I think this is a preme arrogance and eight hundred
and eighteen eighty, how do you think we would respond
now as a country? Do you think we've grown up
to the point now if an ally, let's just say France.
If France, you know a couple of the you know,
the rugby players that are in the country at the moment,

(46:35):
you know, nipped off, blow up a boat now, harbor.
Do you think we are in a position now, a
stronger position in the world where we would really kick
back and tell them what for?

Speaker 3 (46:43):
It's a great question. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number. Call love to hear from you.
It is thirteen past two.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Your home of afternoon Talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons
call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty Youth Talk said, be.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
Very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
We are talking about the Rainbow Warrior bombing forty years today,
where those two bombs were set off, destroying the Rainbow
Warrior vessel and killing a person who was on board
at the time, accidentally, but still a defining moment in
New Zealand. So we're keen to hear from you on
O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
There are graves in France with Kiwis in them that
died to free France, and then the Kiwis are still
there in them. Yeah, as I must read that text,
but I mean that's kind of the point I was
trying to make that you know, it was just forty
years before. The most egregious thing that happened was that
Margaret Thatcher, the UK Prime minister at the time, refused
to condemn what the French had done. And we're not

(47:42):
call it a state sponsored terrorism. That's from John Yeah.
I mean it was clearly state sponsor terrorism. But we
went worth the diplomatic problems that they would have to
face to stick up for us.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
And that's what was so greating, right that our mates
in the UK, and I think Australia didn't do too
much either, that they put their head in the sand
and say, oh, no, we're not involved when we needed
our allies to back us.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Well yeah, and look, Elaine Mafar and Dominic Priere. I
thought it was odd that they took the punishment because
they were just doing the orders of their government, right, Yeah,
they worked for the government, they were soldiers, they were
doing their orders. So the gap goats the fact that
they were scapegoaded even briefly, and they were stuck set
on an island for a little bit and then they

(48:25):
were taken home. But it was hardly their fault.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
Yeah, Peter, you were pretty young at the time.

Speaker 21 (48:31):
Yeah, I was thirteen at the time, so I don't
really have much recollection of However, it was afterwards when
finding out a bit about it, I just couldn't not
stop reading books about political espionage, just all those you know,

(48:51):
the special forces side, the thing that the people that
are hired to seek into different countries and carry out
a political an attack. And it's just amazing now from
forty years ago to what I'm reading about, it's all enjoyable.
There's just the political aspect of it. And to MAT's

(49:16):
answer to us question is I don't think it may
happen tomorrow, you see, it would do any better and
getting a decision come our way, I think the and
would still go against us. We're too small, too little.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Yeah, But would you do you think, Peter, that we
are we are bigger on the world stage. Not wanting
to sound trite, but the likes of I mean this
would sound ridiculous, but I think there's some truth to it.
Lord of Lord of the Rings has has put us
on the world map and to a certain extent where
we've got a bigger, if not more power. We're more

(49:54):
well known now. And do you think that would give
us any any any more play?

Speaker 21 (50:01):
I don't think so. Just out and what you see
what's going on in today's well from the political aspect
of faith, I don't think we've got enough cloud in
that area. The best we could respond with is whenever
we go to front, send B teams and you know,
just just do it that way, Pat, you send the

(50:22):
PTAM over glass, we'll send one back. And you know,
I just said, we're we're too little, too small. What
happened forty years ago was we were we were absolutely
nothing back then, and many accomplishments we had were relatively
sporty on a globe scale. And that's it. And I

(50:45):
don't think we're kind of changed too much politically in
forty years. We hop on the back of everyone else
to help out, but standing on our own, I think
we're just too We're not close to I don't they.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
One of the biggest noises we've made on the world
stage at that part as getting everyone to a whole
lot of African nations to boycott the Olympics because we
were still playing with South Africa. But it did excite
in you an interest in espionage across your life, and
you've probably enjoyed a lot of reading in that. So
that's one small positive that you could take out of
this horrible situation.

Speaker 21 (51:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And it's still there's by go
to book, so I just picked them up and I
just enjoy that.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Yeah, thank you so much for you call Peter. Maybe
you're pulling naivety to get callers. We would never either
you suggest that or you are really naive possibly about
how citizens and infrastructure as canon fodder on politics despite
present wars. You seem not to perceive the fact this
is a very luxury text. Just get to the point, Rob,

(51:50):
New Zealand would continue trading with China even if China
attacked Taiwan and killed many says Rob. Yeah, yeah, I
mean to keep your texts coming in, Rob, you need
to have all the pilava at the start.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
Yeah, just get to the point. Keep it in one
season until less.

Speaker 5 (52:03):
Please.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
I love your text Rob, Thank you for that, even
the abuse. Greg, welcome the show.

Speaker 18 (52:10):
Hi, guys, how are you very good?

Speaker 6 (52:13):
Hey?

Speaker 18 (52:13):
Listen talking about the Rainbow Worrier. I remember it vividly
in the shock and the anger we all felt at
the time. As I've probably mentioned on the program, the
Fries to go to Europe all the time out of London.
I was truck riding. I've been to France unders of
times and I expressed my dismay and a lot of
French people I talked to about it, and I have

(52:33):
to be fair, they said to me ninety five percent
of them were appalled by what happened, and I didn't
been some French people who had supported that. But when
you look at how many times France has been invaded,
I understand whilst I don't agree with what they had
the old nuclear policy, and you know, we've never been
invaded like they had, and yeah, that's just going yeah, well,

(52:59):
you know, we sit here and pontificate at the bottom
of the world and struck our stuff and think we're
holding them there, but you know we're not. And also
another thing is you've mentioned about other countries sold allies
didn't come to our aide, and I was annoyed about this,
but the reason was we'd adopted that anti nuke policy.
Someday knows is that our traditional allies, and we said, well,

(53:22):
bugging you, you can't bring your ships in here. And
the Americans only used to bring a nuclear power to
arm shipping once in the Blue Moon, so you can't
have above each way. As we weren't prepared to be
part of the club and do our bits, then you
can't have it. That's why they didn't help us. And
we've had this isolationist policy, but it's a bit naive.

(53:45):
And the French people, you know there are decent people, yeah,
as they were pretty against it. And we were involved
in the British nuclear testing in the South Pacific in
the fifties to the detriment of a lot of Polynesian,
a lot of our servicemen here.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
So you know, well we get we forget that they
were testing nukes in the in the outback of Australia.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (54:08):
Yeah, Can I mention one other thing? Yeah, I used
to go down to to lose or I went all
over France when I was striving, but I used to
go to to lose a lot. And I took an
opportunity one time to go to a village I heard
about called Burrob Sir Glaine. Now, this was wiped out
by the s S and the Second World War and
the whole village was annihilated and it was rebuilt after

(54:30):
the war. The original village is still there and it's
quite a creepy place to walk grounds. Over four hundred
people have slaughtered and there's cars lining garages, tow lines
hanging there. They up the whole village and moved it.
So when I've gone through stuff like that, you can
understand why they were so hot under fence and a

(54:51):
strong policy. You know, Like I said, I don't agree
with what they did, but I sort of understand. You know,
till you've balked and so unshoes, you don't really know.
You want to google about this place and to see
about it.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
Yeah, what was the name of the place again?

Speaker 18 (55:08):
Near the moose?

Speaker 9 (55:09):
Right.

Speaker 18 (55:10):
A lot of that stuff happened in in France because
the resistance was very strong and the French people took
a terrible toll and you know, under oppression. And I
haven't visited a lot of the graves of Kiwi's as
a lot of them. Then I said that to a
young French guy. I said, there's hundreds of our countrymen
are buried here. They can't came to help liberate your country.

(55:33):
I said, what do you think about all the French people?
You said, ninety five percent of a singer was very
bad and worst of all, we got caught.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
But that, yeah, and that's very fair enough, Greg. But
looking at where they were testing those weapons, and granted
it was French territory, but incredibly close to other nations
and environmental damage, it was so far away from France itself.
If they were, you know, that magnanimous, why not test
it in their own waters. I think that's what grated
a lot of people at the time, dropped off the top.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Of the arc to trumph.

Speaker 4 (56:02):
Yeah, why not?

Speaker 3 (56:04):
Yeah, you see what I'm saying, Greg is as that
was my understanding because as I mentioned, I wasn't yet born,
But reading up on it, that was the sense of
arrogance from the French that this is our territory and
we will do what I want, and it's far enough
away from our country and we don't care what you
say because you're a tiny little Pacific island nation.

Speaker 18 (56:22):
Well that's the case. Yeah, it was arrogance and I
thought it was appalling behavior.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Yeah, I think of for you, cool, Greg, But I
get Greg's points. So I keep saying, forty years before that,
there was the war and we were fighting for the
French over there, but also they had been occupied by
the Nazis, and you know, they put all their faith
in the Mezzano Line that they built, which just totally
didn't work. So France had had and I'm not defending them,

(56:47):
but it's just a different perspective from the government of France.
They had had this their sense of security absolutely not.
They had this incredible plan that failed so badly with
the Mazano line. The Termans just went around it, and
so they didn't want that to happen again. So they
were really it was in their da from that point

(57:09):
to try and protect France any way they can. Because
hard to imagine that situation where you were occupied by
by literal Nazis. Yeah, not the Nazis. Everyone's accusing people
of being Nazis now, like not not social media Nazis,
but actual Nazis were occupying France just just you know,
just over forty years before, and so.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
It's very hard to comprehend.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Their mindset is very different, you know, if you take
that into account.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
Yeah, if you're listening and you were born in France
or you are a French person, now we'd love to
hear from you living in New Zealand. I eight one
hundred and eighty ten eighty if you can recall how
the French people felt about what happened with the Rainbow
Warrior at the time, or how the feeling is in
France now, I love to hear from you, Oh, one
hundred eighty ten eights.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
This was a really good point from Jade, whose pride
idea was it to have the French rugby team touring
New Zealand around the same time as the fortieth anniversary
of the sinking of.

Speaker 4 (58:02):
The Rainbow Warrior.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Like all ins it are, you know, I often hassle
them for not hitting on key dates where they could
get some play going on, you know, games on Anzac
DAAL or whatever. But this one's an interesting one. I'm
pretty sure they didn't think that one through.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
No, that's slightly awkward, right. It is twenty seven past
to back pretty shortly.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB very good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
It's forty years to the day since the Rainbow Warrior bombing,
and that's what we're chatting about. Oh, eight hundred and
eighteen eighty, so the number to call.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
And there's something I said that's caused a bit of
a bit of ir on the text machine on nine
two nine two. Hey guys, let's not call them soldiers
because I was saying, can you really blame Elaine MafA
and Dominic Priere when they're just doing the bidding of
their government? Seemed to me and a lot of people
seem to disagree with me, but it seems to me
that they were scapegoaded because they were soldiers and they

(59:01):
were doing what they were ordered to do. Yeah, and
you may not agree with it, and maybe they could
have refused to do their orders, but I think the
the blame should sit with the government that ordered them
to do that. Hey, guys, let's not call them soldiers
just doing their jobs. These two knew exactly what they
were doing, and if our government had had any spine,
they never would have seen daylight. Again. Also, the United

(59:21):
Kingdom are a little bit more than mates. We're part
of the Commonwealth. I believe the Queen was our head
of state at the time yeah, I mean, yeah, that's right.
I mean what the lack of support from from the
UK was phenomenal. Yeah, Bob Hawk, though Bob Hawk, Prime
Minister of Australia time blasted it as a cold blooded,
premeditated act of international terrorism.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
Good on God, I take that back. I had to
go ad Ozzie before, so I'm sorry. We love your Aussie.
Good on your Bob Hawk. He was a great prime
minister for Ozzie, wasn't he. Yeah right, we've you've got
the headlines hot on our tail, but we've got full boards.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
If you can't get through, keep trying. Oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Love to hear your thoughts forty years on from the
Rainbow Warrior bombing, how we feeling about that moment in time?
And if you're French, love to hear from you. What
was the feeling on the ground in fronts?

Speaker 17 (01:00:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
And have you ever seen Bob Hawk's skull an entire
point of beer? It's quite impressive, is it?

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
It is twenty nine.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
To three.

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Speaker 10 (01:01:31):
Forty years ago, two bombs exploded in Auckland Harbor.

Speaker 22 (01:01:34):
Fernando went together photography Gere that's when the second bomb
went off.

Speaker 10 (01:01:39):
The explosions would be heard around the world.

Speaker 20 (01:01:42):
Amember the crew was missing after the sinking, and his
body was found by police divers late this morning.

Speaker 15 (01:01:47):
It was a terrorist action by a friendly nation in
New Zealand and it was the end of our innocence
because enduring the.

Speaker 20 (01:01:55):
Cold War and where we are told that Greenpeace has
been infiltrated by the kinggb.

Speaker 22 (01:02:02):
We had no idea that that's the level or that
the extent that France would go to.

Speaker 10 (01:02:08):
It's like being in the middle of a James Bond movie.
This is a story about how states try to keep
their citizens safe, about the most terrifying weapons the world
has even known. It's a story about the things democracies
do in the darkness.

Speaker 15 (01:02:23):
And so we're back to Motel for the purpose, and
we wanted surveillance and use the ESIAs particular talents to
bug the place.

Speaker 6 (01:02:32):
From the BEGA information, I have a knowledge of who
did it, and I know from the best information I
have what it was done.

Speaker 17 (01:02:39):
Their secret agent license to kill the responsibility is the
Republic to the top to the president, and.

Speaker 10 (01:02:47):
They were bigger French bombs in the Pacific. These effects
are still being felt today.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
And one of the things I tell people to go
to the symmetry.

Speaker 15 (01:02:55):
Most of the graves are very very young babies and
young kids.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
From Bird of Paradise in the New Zealand heralds this
is Rainbow Warrior, a Forgotten History.

Speaker 13 (01:03:04):
Martha looked at me and said in English, no one
was meant to die.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
That is the trailer for the new podcast, Rainbow Warrior
Forgotten History. It's on iHeart Radio or wherever you get
your podcast to search for a Forgotten History. You'll find
it at New Zealand hero dot co dot nzed forward
slash Rainbow Warrior. It looks to be a fantastically produced
and written documentary podcast. Noel McCarthy, very well known broadcaster,

(01:03:30):
is a big part of that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:31):
So give it a listen.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Yeah, beautiful accent. She's got great he does.

Speaker 4 (01:03:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Hey, I was ten years old since my friend just
texted this through to me, my friend Morgan. I was
ten years old when the captain of the Rainbow Warrior
called and said the Iffers have blown up my ship.
The iffers have blown up my ship. I said, I'll
get dad. That is one of my clearest memories. Dad
was meant to be on board that night but wasn't
well so stayed home. Wow, Deepers, that's close to Morg's there.

(01:03:57):
That is Morgie.

Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
It is all story.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Thanks for sharing, buddy, as you're still listening.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Yeah, the dad would be very thankful we wasn't there.
One hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Love to hear your stories. If you were alive when
that happened, what was your feeling? Were you close to
the ancient One hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Call now, Ross, I understand you witnessed the bombing.

Speaker 17 (01:04:19):
Yeah, Hi, Matt, Yeah I did. Actually, I was on
the spot and I was a fellow Hawaki man at
the time. I'd taken my flat mate into town. He
was back in those days. There was a Shell petrol
station down on the quay at the far End, at
Parnell End, and he was changing over the shift and

(01:04:41):
I had a bit of time to kill so I
dropped him off and went for a walk along the harbor.
And my initial thought was one of the cranes had
fallen down, you know, I have a huge cranes. Heard
some almighty boom and turned around and there was water
going everywhere and a boat, you know, bobbing up and
down and starting to wallow and sink. And I thought, well,

(01:05:02):
that's not right. So, you know, being in radio and
thinking that way, I went and grabbed beyond the live
cross gear and did some live obs from the spot.

Speaker 7 (01:05:14):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Have you still got the recordings of those?

Speaker 17 (01:05:18):
No? I I gave them to the newsroom and I said,
specifically to Mike Vincent at the time, keep those. I
want a copy of those for my skype tape. And
he didn't. They got lost in the next.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
People were so much so bad at keeping tapes back then,
just because they had to be on tape, so people
always recording over things and stuff. That's an absolute tragedy.
So how are you feeling at that point, Ross, because
you wouldn't have expected something like that to happen, you
know in New Zealand and Auckland.

Speaker 21 (01:05:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:05:49):
Look, it was quite surreal listening to the recording and
the documentary just before I came on all that happened.
After what I saw, I initially thought something was wrong
with the boat or something going wrong with the engine
or something to that effect, and you know it's not

(01:06:10):
right that the boat set. So I did some live
crosses about that. But then the police were a little
bit sort of cagey about what had happened. And then
I think four o'clock in the morning I was I
was on air at the time. I got a call
from the Daily Mail and he said, oh, I understand

(01:06:31):
the Rainbow Warrior is blowing up. And I'm like, mate,
the story hasn't even broken in New Zealand yet, how
do you know? And how do you know what boat
it is? And I was a bit sort of like, huh.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
What, wow?

Speaker 17 (01:06:43):
How do you know this? And then it all came
out over time. It's you know, the story developed and
I was just sitting there going wow, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:06:53):
Just just on there, do you reckon?

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
The Daily Mail reporter might have had a source within
the New Zealand police. I mean, that is quite phenomenal.

Speaker 17 (01:07:00):
No, no, but from what I gather, the British and
Australian governments and other governments had been warned in advanced
that this was going to happen. Whether that's true or not,
I don't know, but it's something I heard, and it's
certainly if he was ringing up to ask that question,

(01:07:21):
he would have already known.

Speaker 23 (01:07:23):
So who knows.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
How do you feel about it all these years later,
so forty years on to the day, having witnessed it,
what are your feelings? And also secondary question New Zealand,
how much has it changed in forty years? And do
you think we would react differently now if a similar
thing happened.

Speaker 17 (01:07:45):
Well, well, it's yeah, it's kind of eerie to know
that you were there, and it's very sad that the
photographer died. And when I was doing a live cross as,
I was aware that they were saying someone's still on board,
someone's still on board, and people you try to get
on to sort that out. But yeah, I was. I

(01:08:11):
was in Australia. I was living in Australia and I
heard this particular ABC journalist saying that he was the
first guy to cover a story and broadcasts from the
Rainbow Warrior. And I was sitting in my lounge shaking
my head.

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
No, you were it was ross yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:08:33):
Yeah, but yeah certainly nowadays, I mean I was. I
was pretty annoyed that we let them out and let
them go back. I mean that was that was It
made us look silly, I thought, But nowadays would be
completely different.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
You think New Zealand's got more power to stand up
for itself in twenty twenty five than it didn't know
in ninety five.

Speaker 24 (01:08:55):
Oh look, I.

Speaker 17 (01:08:55):
Think it's got a bit more respect internationally. I don't
know if it's got so much power, but you know,
we are a small country and we need to realize that.
But I think we've got a lot more respect and
and a lot more confidence in ourselves and a lot
more belief in ourselves. You know, we'd stand out towards
right and we've put our foot down and say nay,

(01:09:17):
you're not getting out, You're not you're not going to
go away.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Well, hey, thank you so much.

Speaker 17 (01:09:21):
I think we've grown up quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Then, Yeah, thank you so much for your call. Ross.
Always good to speak to a fellow Radiohodachy alumni.

Speaker 17 (01:09:28):
Exactly, all right, good to talk and we'll catch up.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
And what an amazing story. Cheers for sharing, great story,
great New Zealand, And, Ross, Yeah, fantastic. Just on that
last part though, would we if it was to something
like that happen again in today's age. I don't think
we would let if we knew who the culprits were.
I don't think we would let them out. And what
would the likes of the French government do in that instance.

Speaker 4 (01:09:49):
Nothing?

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
Nothing, They wouldn't start a war over that situation, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Yeah, And I wonder with you know, media as it
is today, you can you could control you know, there'd
be more more voices complaining about it internationally. Yeah, I mean,
it's it's hard to comprehend how crazy that is that
France is. I keep saying an ally sent operatives to

(01:10:15):
blow up a boat in New Zealand. It's crazy, mad times, Yeah,
mad times. Oh, I mean, it'd be crazy enough if
it was an enemy that did it exactly. Oh one
hundred and eighty ten eighties number to call it is
sixteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Back in a month, the issues that affect you and
a bit have fun along the way. Madd Heath and
Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk said, be through.

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
A good afternoon to you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
It is fourteen to three and we're talking about forty
years to the day since the Rainbow Warrior bombing.

Speaker 4 (01:10:43):
Love to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Sorry, you go, no, no, you.

Speaker 4 (01:10:46):
I was just going to say love to you, your
thoughts if you were alive then.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
But even if you weren't alive, if you're younger twenty thirty,
what do you make of of the p lava around
the rainbow warrior situation?

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Yeah? Is it just old history? It's interesting. I was
asking my kids about nine to eleven. You know, one
of them is fifteen. Yeah, and it just seems mythical
to him. It doesn't really mean much to him. It's like,
what happened, It's amazing quickly has three moves on. So
if you're in your twenties or thirties, do you does
this mean anything to you at all? This is a
very good point that this text makes. Guys. The worst
part of it is Kiwis and the Pacific Islands were

(01:11:18):
being exposed to toxic radiation from the tests. So no
wonder how many of our parents generation and diet of
cancer from a radiation poisoning, and whether it's still taking
a bit of us now, A bit of a tot
of us now. I'm not sure about their second half
of it, but yeah, I mean, I'm saying it's insane
that that they blow up a boat put limpet mines

(01:11:39):
on a boat in Auckland Harbor. It's incredibly insane that
they were letting off yukes in the Pacific. Yeah, which
was the reason for all those protests in the first place.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
Rod Welcome to the show, Rod kid a Rodney, Roddy
Rod Rod Rods Come on.

Speaker 4 (01:11:59):
Roddy Snap, Okay, Rod's Rod's dropped off. We'll come back
to Rod.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
Rowdy, Roddy Piper. Stephen welcome to the show.

Speaker 17 (01:12:07):
Hey mate him. Just the small thing I remember about it.

Speaker 11 (01:12:12):
I was at Police College in nineteen eighty five as
a fresh recruit and the recruit wing in front of us,
so they'd been there a few weeks longer than us.
There was a young man in there training to be
a police officer that was a Frenchman, and when the
Rainbow Warrior happened, he had only done a few weeks

(01:12:34):
at college. From memory, he was pulled out of the classroom,
sworn in quick graduation for just him, and he was
shipped up to Auckland as a interpreter for the rest
of the case.

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
So was that at all awkward for that particular recruit,
do you think, or the fact that he took that
on and became the translator, absolved him of any sort
of association with the government.

Speaker 11 (01:13:02):
No. I just think they realized there was somebody quite
useful sitting in at police college to train to be
a policeman, and they needed him straight away because of
the ex the language barriers.

Speaker 4 (01:13:16):
Did you have much to do with him when you're
at police college?

Speaker 11 (01:13:20):
Did you have conversations but just starting to get to
know the guy and suddenly he does a few weeks
here and graduates and he's gone.

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
Yeah, because I wonder how he felt about it, whether
because a lot of people have texted and it was
by orders of the French government, of the president at
the time. The French people, as I understand it, were
quite astonished and horrified by what had happened in New
Zealand with the bombing. Did you get any sense from
him when you had a conversation with him or not

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he had been whipped out by that stage.

Speaker 9 (01:13:49):
He's whipped out.

Speaker 11 (01:13:50):
He was gone and we were wondering where he was
and we found out that they really needed him.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
As a police officer going forward. How did you think
the New Zealand stood up to the challenge of investigating
investigating the crime, because I think that France thought we
didn't have much going on. But I think, you know,
do you think that that we we surprised them with
with what we could do in terms of investigation.

Speaker 11 (01:14:16):
Between the police and the New Zealand public. That that
case still to this day people say was solved by
the New Zealand public. Why is that boat there? Why
are those people doing that? Everyone was ringing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
In Yeah, and the essays s was involved as well,
weren't they in the back end?

Speaker 11 (01:14:34):
I understand, Yep, there was lots, There was lots going on.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Yeah. And how did you have a long career in
the police.

Speaker 9 (01:14:45):
About ten years?

Speaker 16 (01:14:46):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
Yeah, all right, and and what do you do now? Stephen?

Speaker 9 (01:14:51):
Drive milk tankers?

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Good on you? Yeah, yeah, well thanks for your call, buddy.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
Fascinating story.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
We need people driving milk tankers, absolutely, we do drives
this country.

Speaker 4 (01:15:01):
It is nine to three.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
We've got plenty of calls to get to, but we're
got to play some messages and a few techs coming
through as well.

Speaker 4 (01:15:07):
Back very shortly. You're listening to Matt and Tyler, the issues.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
That affect you and a bit of fun along the
way Matt Heathen Tayler Adams Afternoons used talk said.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
Be recruit was on Carrie's show this morning.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
He was a Jacques I believe his name was. So
we'll see if we can find that conversation and play
a little bit of that what Carrey asked of Jacques,
the French policeman in question.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Yeah, but you can go and listen to Carey's full
show podcast. We'll go to the news Talk HEIDB website
and you'll be able to go back and listen to
that chat if you want. It sounds very very interesting. Absolutely,
I missed it. Yeah, phenomenous to carry, but I miss it.
But you know, Kurre isn't nationwide in the morning, so
you might have missed it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:46):
As well, so you know, go and winkle that out, yep. Ellen.
What's your thoughts about what happened in nineteen eighty five?

Speaker 20 (01:15:56):
Yeah, yeah, I was. I was in business in Auckland.
I was about twenty what was I twenty five or
twenty six or something like that, and I remember it
happening and I was actually I had a business, had
dealt with sides of the whole equation and my contracts
with Pugeot fell over. They couldn't sell the car for

(01:16:16):
six months. But the groundswell of bad feeling was just
it grew over a week after rainbell worry, everyone was like,
oh wow, that was amazing, and then within a week
it was like man if France, you know, So that
was the the The effect it had in New Zealand
was enormous, but the effect it had in France as
well was huge. It brought down the government. Never forget that,

(01:16:40):
you know. The French public took at the heart when
they found out a submarine had been sent to the
South Pacific to retrieve the you know, the crew off
the boat, and the whole thing was such a giant scheme.
The French public were a poored that. I've been to
France a few times since then and there's hardly been
a day go past in France where somebody had said,

(01:17:02):
noubis alone. You know, this puture. They're very very sorry,
they're very very sorry, but they even now.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Even now, and we can't and you can't blame the
people for the actions of the government. I think people
would forget that that too often.

Speaker 20 (01:17:17):
The d g S was gutted, was absolutely gutted from
top to bottom. Everybody who knew what was going on
was tracked out good in their ears. And that doesn't
that doesn't happen in France.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
And do you think do you think that was that
was from a place of appreciation of you know, New Zealanders,
you know, losing their lives and going in there to
fight for France and World War Two.

Speaker 15 (01:17:39):
No.

Speaker 20 (01:17:40):
I've had this discussion with several French and I've got
a very good friend in France and she's says scientist.
But she said to me, no, I asked her the
same question and she said, no, it was a disgust
at our own few brisks.

Speaker 4 (01:17:56):
I mean that is I mean that is nice. Yeah,
that is uh.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
And I you know, as someone who wasn't born at
the time and have only gone on what I've read,
that was my suspicion of of how the French people felt,
because it was so anti what the French people stood for,
you know, as Matt said, it was only forty forty
years that we fought alongside them in Europe and then
for the government to turn around and do that, well.

Speaker 20 (01:18:23):
My impression is that they were appalled. Aparts from the
very very severely right wing types, they were absolutely appalled,
but I had an interesting little occasion occur on a
train going EA.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
Sorry mate, we really want to hear that, but we're
absolutely out of time, so we'll keep this type going
on after the news because I got so many calls
coming through.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
Absolutely and the policeman and question. The French policeman has
given us a course, so we'll chat with them very shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
Your new home are in stateful and entertaining talk. It's
Mattie and Taylor Adams Afternoards on news Talk Sabby.

Speaker 10 (01:19:02):
Forty years ago, two bombs exploded in Auckland Harbor.

Speaker 22 (01:19:05):
Fernando went to get his photography gear that when the
second bomb.

Speaker 10 (01:19:10):
Went off, the explosions would be heard around the world.

Speaker 20 (01:19:13):
I remember the crew was missing after the sinking and
his body was found by police Davis Date this morning.

Speaker 15 (01:19:18):
It was a terrorist action by a friendly nation and
it was the end of our innocence.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
It's like being in the middle of a James Bond movie.

Speaker 10 (01:19:26):
It's a story about the things democracies do in the darkness.

Speaker 6 (01:19:31):
From the best information I have anage of who did it,
and I know from the beast information I have was done.

Speaker 4 (01:19:38):
The secret agent License to kill.

Speaker 16 (01:19:41):
MafA looked at me and said in English, no one
was meant to die.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Listen to a Rainbow Warrior A Forgotten History on iHeartRadio
or whether you get your podcasts search for a Forgotten
History or find it at enz hero dot Cota and
zed Ford slash Rainbow Warrior.

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
Yes, and that is what we're talking about right now,
forty years to the day since the bombing of the
Rainbow Warrior. Your thoughts, your recollections. If you weren't born
when it happened, I would love to hear how you think
about that incident now that you've read up on it
and understand potentially what had happened. I one hundred and
eighteen eighty is the number to call now. Before the
news we were having a chet to Allen.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
Yeah, that's right. Sorry Ellen, we had to cut you
off the news around out of time. But you were
about to tell us quite an amazing story around this
whole Rainbow Warriors situation. And someone you meet years later.

Speaker 7 (01:20:31):
Yep, Hello, yeah, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
You pick up on that, Allan, So what happened? Who
did you meet in front?

Speaker 20 (01:20:39):
Ah, this is just a bizarre story. I was on
a train. This is eight years ago. To figure it out.
It was eight years ago and ten years ago to
continue to go. Yeah, and I'm going down from Paris
to Lose and in the Rower carriages there there's like
one seat, a little coffee tab or thing where you

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can face each other on one top of a carriage,
and then they're there four or six e units in
sort of tubby holes on the out of the carriage.
So I'm sitting on mind having a nice glass of
wine and larvae, and I'm looking at this woman that
I saw that you walked on board and looked at
her hood. I know you from so many you know.
It was one of those things that she was looking

(01:21:22):
at me. But she she she saw that I was
looking at her. We were facing each other down the carriage,
about three seats away from each other. And then I
got talking to a family next door, again facing backwards
down the carriage towards her, and she was holding a
book up that she was mock reading. She kept glancing
over the book of she must know me whatever, and
there was something ranking a little bit and uh so

(01:21:44):
I was sitting talking to these people and were they
raised the back the subject of the Rainbow Warrior and
I were apologizing, and we had a great talk about
New Zealand. He and she they had the kids with
the backpack in New Zealand years before it. And then
that she heard my voice off a woman down the

(01:22:05):
and she heard my voice and I was talking in
English about New Zealan and she very quickly got up,
packed the stuff and headed it. Ellen.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
Sorry, sorry, you just you just cut out at a
critical moment, so just pick up that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:20):
So they heard your accent.

Speaker 25 (01:22:22):
Carry on.

Speaker 20 (01:22:24):
This woman heard my accent and the fact I was
from New zeald because we were speaking mostly in English,
and she just high tailed and packed up a gear,
you know, and back down to the next carriage. Down
to the second class carriage is quite funny. And I
and the penny dropped. It was Dominique for.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
One of the two dominants.

Speaker 20 (01:22:46):
Yeah, I'm not kidding here. This is such a And
I turned her to the people and I said, what's
going on? Who was at it? And I said, I
think that was Dominique for ye And the woman turned
around and said I saw her. And they were just
their their boys, their their faces, just their jaws that dropped.
They were just like, we don't believe that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
Just happened dominant. Every time she's on a he's a
kiwi excellent, she picks up a yeah, took.

Speaker 20 (01:23:14):
To be honest, I would have quite liked to have
put my victrail aside and had to talk to her. Yeah,
you know, it would have been very, very enlightening because
those who hey, they weren't just soldiers doing the job.
So so were those Nazis that meurt of those people
in the village I was talking about half an hour ago.
You know, there's no excuse in there. It's kind of thing,

(01:23:39):
but it happens. It happened, and the people that should
have swung didn't. The president, the head of the he's won,
but he didn't get done for murder. And he was
he was in charge of a murder, no doubt about it, etcetera.
You gotta put your hands and put yourself in the
position of longing too.

Speaker 7 (01:23:58):
He's ill.

Speaker 20 (01:23:59):
It was just coming out of that Russian of being
repelled by the EU for our dairy and lamb sales,
et cetera. And I believe it was going to cost
US ten or twelve percent of economy shut us out,
and France had the keys to lock us out. Longly
was between her. You know, it really was disgusting what.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
They did, but yeah, it was. Yeah, thank you so
much for you call Alan. Yeah, I gotta say Dominic Prierre.
She's a very distinctive looking person. She looks a little
bit like is it glad Ys from Heidi High that
SOMETIMEE might be able to help me out there? Is
it Sue Pollard the actress? I don't know anyway, she's
quite a distinctive looking person. She looks very very French spyish. Yeah,

(01:24:46):
Dominic Priyer.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
I wonder how famous they were back in France though,
when they returned to so called normal life, they must
have got recognized in the street.

Speaker 12 (01:24:53):
Surely.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
I was once in a lift in Los Angeles with
Elton John. But I think I think Dominic Preyer is
probably a better celebrity spotting.

Speaker 4 (01:25:04):
Yeah, yeah, well a more interesting one, a great story.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
I probably not a celebrity.

Speaker 4 (01:25:09):
Oh one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to
call now? Coming up?

Speaker 3 (01:25:12):
After the break, A lot of people mentioned that this
gentleman was having a chat to Kerry this morning and.

Speaker 4 (01:25:16):
He's called back.

Speaker 3 (01:25:17):
His name is Jacques Lagroux and he was the French
former police officer at the time that came on board
as a translator. So we're going to have a chat
to Jacques very shortly. It is thirteen past three. Very
good afternoon. It is sixteen past three. So, as we
mentioned before, a gentleman called Jacques de la Greaux called
Kerry a little bit earlier today. He was a former

(01:25:38):
police officer French. He worked alongside New Zealand police on
the investigation and he's given us a buzz bag. Jacques,
very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
Thanks for calling. It sounds like your accident is still
going strong. So you're a French guy going through the
police college. When did you first hear it was the
French that had bombed the Rainbow Warrior.

Speaker 9 (01:25:58):
Well, right from the beginning, my wing mates taking the
mickey out of me to say, hey, Jaques, just as
well you were here, otherwise we would blame you. But
when I heard it and the finger was pointing towards France,
I thought to myself they wouldn't be you know, that's

(01:26:18):
stupid to do it. But eventually we found out that
they did. So this is where I came into the play,
so to speak, because the inquiry was were hampered by
the lack of you know, linguistic abilities they were at
the time. There was only two of us fully bi lingual,

(01:26:42):
with Nicole, my colleague who graduated in the wing before me,
and myself later on as well. So I was brought
after classes during the day, I was picked up and
went to the headquarters in Wellington and we through some
documents which they needed to have urgent translation to see

(01:27:06):
if it's going to be relevant or not to the
inquiry and help in this respect.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
That's like a plot to a movie. A lot of
movies start like that. There's a young police cadet and
then something happens and then the helicopter's a land on
the lawn and they're taken off to be a part
of it. Was it an exciting time for you?

Speaker 9 (01:27:26):
It was a bit of an anxious time for me
to be, to be honest, because obviously, you know, New
Zealand was incredibly upset and for the obviously for obvious reasons,
and I don't blend them, but you can imagine as
a French person living in New Zealand at the time,
although I was a Duish citizen, it's still, you know,

(01:27:49):
an anxious time sort of speak and even more so
when I was in the as a recruit, as a
police officer that was sworn in it. You know, it
was a bit of an anxious time sort of speak.
But I had you know, I was sworn in before
I went to college, so I had the job to

(01:28:10):
do and there was it. I had to get on
with it.

Speaker 4 (01:28:14):
Were you talking with friends and family back home at
the time of Jacques and if you were, what was
their feeling about what was happening.

Speaker 9 (01:28:22):
Well, like the majority of the French people, my parents
were quite shocked. They were at the time. They were
living in New Caledonia, and yes I was corresponding with them.
But you see, I was in a very invidious situation
whereby the police, you know, needed my make species and
skills not only as a police officer, but also as

(01:28:46):
a fully bilingual person because I was actually I did
teach French in New Zealand and Totago University at the
time as well. So it was tricky because in one respect,
the New Zealand sis I recall the who was working

(01:29:06):
very closely with Brenton and Alan Galbraith. We're looking at
me sideways wondering, well, he's either real deal? Is you're
going to work for us or is he another digc
wow if you will. Yeah, I recall that my correspondence

(01:29:27):
with my parents. I was newly married. I had a
young daughter at the time, so I was writing to
my parents in New Caledonia and my male was blatantly
and to fail with either by the New Zealand s
I s before leaving New Zealand. And I recall also
from the Hoside marginie Or, which is the intelligence unit

(01:29:49):
of France in New Caledonia. So I was in the
no winning situation.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
Yea, well, because because we know the story now and
looking back at all makes sense. But at that point
there'd be huge amount of suspicion going around and the
essays may not know how big this is, how many
operatives have been embedded. You know, they probably you can
sort of kind of see from their point of view

(01:30:15):
that you may have come across as slightly suspicious.

Speaker 9 (01:30:19):
Oh totally. I mean I fully understood that, but as
I said, a new recruit fresh under the police was
quite anxious for time sort of spek.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
Did you have any pushback from just every day Kiwi's
walking around, Because in the eighties France was the coolest
thing in the world. There was Lispecs, there was La Tan.
Everyone like France was the height of call. And then
for this to happen, suddenly your French accent maybe isn't
the same asset It was just you know, months beforehand.

Speaker 9 (01:30:49):
Yes, definitely, And if you recall even back at the time,
there was some the New Zealand public was so trased.
They both quoted a lot of.

Speaker 4 (01:30:59):
The French product, French fries that was called in New
Zealand French toast.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
That kind of thing. Yeah, And so looking back on
it now, I mean at the time, it would be
interesting to know how you felt about your government. You
knew your government had done that, how did you feel
about it at the time? And forty years on looking back,
how do you feel about what they did? And do
you have any understandstanding of why the French were behaving

(01:31:27):
like that at the time I was referring to before
about you know, it's just forty years from World War
Two when France had been occupied by the Nazis, so
there was a certain amount of power out nea going on.
So how did you feel then about your government? How
do you feel now? And is there any insight you
could give to why they were thinking that was something
that they was even something to think about doing.

Speaker 9 (01:31:49):
Yeah, from personally, I sort was an incredibly scupid things
to do. There's one to understand why. It's because it
was one of political decisions from their highest person, the
authority in France, which is a French president France for

(01:32:10):
they are with the Supreme Chief of the Army. So
and if it's been publicly acknowledged, even in front through
the media that at one stage he said, LAMI seemwhat
that in the army, it's me And basically whatever he
said goes And that was the mentality, if you will,

(01:32:31):
of of this. But I'm not going to excuse what
they did, but you have to put it into context
after the you know, the First World War, the Second
World War, where New Zealand has actually fought for the
you know, alongside the you know, French terry to free

(01:32:54):
France from the occupation. But and this is where the
general the goal Uh basically said well, this is not
going to happen again. And this is why he embarked
on the policy of getting a new Clere has a
dissuasion weapon basically, and it carried on all the way through.

(01:33:16):
And this is why Francois Miteon when he felt that
after receiving some antiligence, felt that the nuclear bombing going
on in mirror Oa were being threatened by the green Peace,
which you know they were legitimately you know, protesting against it.

(01:33:36):
They felt threatened in terms of having to delay things,
et cetera. So they decided, okay, not only they going
to stop green Peace, but they decided to think it
to make sure that he's not going to go anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
Yeah, do you think my humiliation is not the word,
because it's far more serious than that. But the lean
mazanol have I pronounced that right? The Mizzano line, the
spectacular failure of that at the start of World War
two just made France think that they have to go
all out on defense in the future.

Speaker 9 (01:34:12):
Well, and and this is why there, you know, the
good actually promoted the the you know, to get the
nuclear weapon to make sure Yeah, the l'alin as you know,
is you're talking about the invasion of France were not
going to happen again ever, and this is why they
embarked on this, you know, getting the nuclear weapon.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
Yeah, thank you so much for your call. Jarque it's
so interesting. We could talk to you for one hundred hours.

Speaker 3 (01:34:40):
I hope you write a book, Joe, because you're going
to a hell of a story to tell. Thank you
very much. Right, I've got to take a break. It
is twenty five past three.

Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news Talk said they.

Speaker 3 (01:34:55):
Twenty seven pass three and we are talking about forty
years since the bombing of the Rainbow Warrior.

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
This has been a hell of a chat where we've
had so many people have seen people have seen Dominic
Prieer have seen them. They've talked to the Jacques who
was the police recruit that was called in for translation
at the time. And now we've got Sharky on the line.
You went on the boat and saw the hole, I believe.

Speaker 11 (01:35:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:35:17):
Well, so the night that it happened, me and my mates
were in town and we heard it on the radio.
Actually the guy that you were talking to before Ross
must have been one of his mates announcing that it
had happened, And so we shot straight down there and
had a looked. And that was just as the police
were kind of setting up barriers and stuff like that.
And so we watched all that unfold and then a

(01:35:39):
few a few months later they actually had it on display.
You could go down to the Windham Wharf and it
was it was tethered up there and you could go
on board and go inside and see the hole.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
How big was the hole?

Speaker 25 (01:35:55):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
They were huge, right, yeah, two holes.

Speaker 25 (01:35:58):
No wonder, no wonder it sunk.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
Yeah, using that maritime terms, there was a big hole
front and back. Is that right?

Speaker 25 (01:36:05):
No, they were on the side the side, so it's on.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
The side, closer to the front and closer to the back,
right yeah, yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:36:14):
Yeah, And I think it was around the kitchen your
ear and that they blew and blowing it out, but yeah,
it was, it was. It was definitely eye opening for
a seventeen year old at that stage.

Speaker 4 (01:36:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:36:28):
So, how long after the fact it happened did they
open it up to the public. That blows my mind
that it's almost hate come down and have a look
at what happened here while an investigation and you know,
a diploma, a diplomatic situation is unfolding around the world.

Speaker 25 (01:36:44):
Well tech me for quite a while before they took
it out and used it as the reef. But yeah,
so it was. They were sitting there quite.

Speaker 20 (01:36:53):
A quite a while.

Speaker 25 (01:36:55):
Wouldn't it be a great movie if they made the
movie from Jump's prospective?

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
Yeah, yeah, I agree, Well that's what I was thinking before.
It does sound like, well, you know, the the you know,
you're just going about your business, and then the if
it was America, the helicopters and on the lawn and
you know, get in, you know you're coming with us, Jacques,
get in, You're coming with us? Where just get in
and you fly after the bee hive hit free?

Speaker 25 (01:37:18):
Yeah forty years doesn't seen that long ago when I
think about it, but now here.

Speaker 3 (01:37:25):
Yeah, thank you so much for your call, sharky and
great discussion. Thank you to everybody who phoned and texts
on that. Whow I mean, that was an incredible hour
and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
And it's the bow and stern of the ship, not
the starbuck. If it's on the bow and stern, set
the right hand sides over the front and back of
the bow and stern.

Speaker 4 (01:37:43):
Yeah yeah, yeah, just get it right.

Speaker 7 (01:37:44):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:37:44):
All right, okay, very good.

Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
Right, coming up, we've got Alex Powell in studio, a
reporter for sports, reporter for the New Zealand here, we're
gonna chat about what's going on. And if one shock
waves around the world with the sacking of Christian Horner,
so that is coming up.

Speaker 4 (01:37:59):
Have you had any questions?

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
Yeah, so if one seems like it's become the biggest
thing in the world at the moment, you can't look anywhere.
Do you love it? Do you hate it? If so,
why oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty, and your
questions around the whole Christian Horner thing and what it
means for our boy Liam, because we're Kiwis and that's
what we care about.

Speaker 16 (01:38:15):
Yep.

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Speaker 3 (01:39:31):
Thank you very much, Wendy So breaking news last night
read Bull longtime team principal Christian Horner. He was sat
at marked the end of a twenty years stint that
included eight Formula One drivers titles and also recent turmil
turmoil rather that rocked the team on and off the track.
So last night he did give an emotional speech to staff.

(01:39:51):
Shortly after that news broke.

Speaker 26 (01:39:53):
When I arrived twenty years ago with a few less Broguez,
I walked into it seemed like a wats expects, so
I was immediably. I was immediately welcomes and al Sue.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
Randa and Wildes.

Speaker 27 (01:40:10):
We started to build what became a powerhouse in former one.
Watching and being parceled this scene has been the biggest
privilege in my home.

Speaker 4 (01:40:35):
Appears.

Speaker 3 (01:40:37):
Yeah, so that was him breaking up towards the end,
but an emotional farewell to staff as he faced up
to his sacking as team principal.

Speaker 4 (01:40:45):
Bag big news in the F one world. To chat
about this further, we are.

Speaker 3 (01:40:48):
Joined by New Zealand Herald sports reporter Alex power GeTe Alex.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
And of course Alex, this means a lot to New Zealand,
is more than maybe if one has before historically, of
course there was Bruce McLaren, but Liam Lawson and has
sacking by Christian Horner has sent ripples through through New Zealand,
hasn't it? So you know what does this mean? The
first question we've got to ask, as Kiwi's is what

(01:41:14):
does this mean for Liam Lawson?

Speaker 24 (01:41:16):
I think this is actually really good for Liam Lawson,
to be honest. So Christian Horner was very forthright with
him when he was moved back to Racing Bulls, but
he was very much Do you remember I came in
here at the time, I only seem to come to
here people get sacked. I came in here and we
spoke about and how different the messaging from Red Bull
was about how they're doing it to protect liamb. So
Liam's gone back to Racing bulls under Lauren Mcki's who's

(01:41:36):
now replaced Christian Horner as not only the team principle
but the CEO of Red Bull. If and when Red
Bull do have to make a decision as to who
goes into that car potentially alongside Maxi Stapan or into
two fresh seats, They've now got a guy who knows
everything about Liam Lawson. So I think that is a
very good thing to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
Now, you've been following the story for a very long time.
You're a huge F one fan for decades and at
least decade.

Speaker 24 (01:42:04):
May two thousand and four was my first.

Speaker 2 (01:42:06):
Okay, so there's decades, two decades. Has IF One ever
been more popular, not just in New Zealand but globally.

Speaker 24 (01:42:13):
Now it sort of stands out now like the mustache
on my face, doesn't it. I think you look back
to COVID and you remember when we were all in
Lockdown and we all got into documentaries, like everyone was
in Tiger King. But Drive to Survive just became huge
at that point and so may people get into it
and because it continued on after that, I mean it
was one of the only sports at one point, you know,
people got into it, and now like it's huge in America,
Like we have three Grand Prix in America anually now,

(01:42:35):
which is ridiculous, you know, and now having a key
in it for us, like we were quite sort of
behind on interest in it, but now that Liam Lawson
is in there, we're all on board.

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
And we've got Team Apex as well with Brad Pitt driving.

Speaker 24 (01:42:47):
Yeah, the Underdogs.

Speaker 4 (01:42:48):
Yeah, so is.

Speaker 3 (01:42:49):
There I mean, is that part of it that we've
had the very successful Drive to Survive seasons and series
seven seasons under the belt. Now then as Matt says,
you've got the IF One movie and Liam is taking part,
it's all kind of converged to be one of the
hottest sports.

Speaker 4 (01:43:02):
That Kiwis can watch right now.

Speaker 24 (01:43:04):
I think the whole Formula one audience is fragmented, frag
entered into two very clear camps. You've got the drive
to survive fans, but then you've got the F one traditionalists,
the motorsport enthorsss, who are now trying to prove that
they aren't drive to survive fans than they are and
from day one.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
Yeah, well there's so many levels to F one and
one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Do you love it
and why? And why is it a great sport? If
you've loved it for a long time, how do you
feel about all the new fans? And if you hate
it and you think it's boring, we want to hear
from you as well. And a bunch of punishing texts
have come through with things like Liam the Loser and
you know, I don't think people understand how incredible it

(01:43:43):
is and how hard it is to get one of
the nineteen seats in F one And that's a larm
stroll with that's.

Speaker 10 (01:43:48):
A good jack.

Speaker 4 (01:43:49):
I'm very good.

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
You know, you cannot call someone a loser for getting
there and he's been incredibly lucky, unlucky. So we want
to talk about the Liam side of it as well,
but if One do you love it? Why? Because I
think the reason why I love it is there's just
so many layers to it and one of them is
the gossipy drive to survive part of it. One of
them's the intense text that I often punish you about, Alex,
you know, And one of them is just this cher

(01:44:12):
excitement of the races.

Speaker 24 (01:44:14):
Yeah, it's It's the difference between sport versus entertainment, isn't it.
And I don't think anything overlaps it the way that
Formula one does. Like we stand around in the office,
the three of us, and just talk about the political
side of it. You know, he's going here because he
doesn't like him, you know, Yeah, yeahah.

Speaker 4 (01:44:29):
Love the drama, right, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:44:32):
How are you feeling about IF one this season with
Liam on board, the groundswell of excitement around it here
in New Zealand, with the F one movie, the Drive
to Survive series, or the drama in the scandal, or
if you think it's boring by all means, give us
a call and Alex will be standing by if you've
got any questions ahead of the rest of the season,
And what happens now with Red Bull Racing.

Speaker 4 (01:44:51):
He is ready to go nine two nine two of
six number.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
And if you just want a gossip about Christian Horner
or you think that SHARLEYE Clerk is hot, will take
your call as well.

Speaker 4 (01:45:00):
We're here for that. It is twenty to.

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
Four Matty Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons news Talks.

Speaker 4 (01:45:12):
That'd be very good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:45:13):
We are talking about Formula one on the back of
the breaking news that sent shock waves around the F
one world, the sacking of Christian Horner from Red Bull Racing.
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighties. And I'm going
to call if you're loving it, if you're hating it,
we want to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (01:45:25):
Philippe. You're one of those people that jumped on board
from Drive to Survive? Am I right?

Speaker 23 (01:45:31):
Yeah, absolutely loved it. Ever since?

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
How many seasons ago did you jump on the Drive
to Survive.

Speaker 23 (01:45:36):
Train, Well, it would have been about four. This must
be our fourth full year watching GROM the actual Grand
Prix series, so I can't quite remember exactly when we started,
but it was definitely from Drive to survive and and
I we would have been like the last people ever
to follow any sort of motorsport racing were rural farming,

(01:45:58):
people with horses, lifestyle block that's sort of doing and
watching car racing would have been way from anything we
would have ever thought. It was wonderful, but just absolutely
hoped with the racing every single weekend.

Speaker 17 (01:46:14):
But it's on.

Speaker 23 (01:46:14):
It's great in the winter for us because we record it.
We watch everything, the practices, the qualifying loved ed notebook,
all of that sort of stuff, and it's highly entertaining.

Speaker 2 (01:46:27):
So what part of it do you like the most?
As I was saying before, there's there's a lot of
layers to it. There's there's the drama, there's the soap
opera of it, There's there's the racing part of it,
and then there's and then there's the tech.

Speaker 19 (01:46:39):
Part of it.

Speaker 23 (01:46:40):
Yeah, in the beginning, well we're sort of not Tiki,
so so they had to learn all that all the
way through. But it's just the caliber of the drivers,
the high performance nature of it. Everything's sort of like
a premium high performance, but there's serious skill. It's it's
all the elements, the human elements from the young guys
are so disciplined, they're athletes. It's just amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:47:03):
Who's your favorite driver? And you can't say Liam, I.

Speaker 23 (01:47:08):
Love George still. The stone was great. They're all amazing,
and you know we are serious defenders of poor Liam.
I mean, he's amazing what he's done to get to
this level. And you know he's just held himself in
such great You've got.

Speaker 2 (01:47:26):
You've got to say. It's funny with George Russell though.
So he's arguing with us as the engineers about staying
out on that I'm going in. It's time, it's time
it comes out on the slecks and just slides off
the track immediately.

Speaker 23 (01:47:41):
And the thing about George is is mentoring COMI too.
You know, he's a team guy. He's been there consistently,
he's always there. He's a real pro, he's maturing. He's
just a fantastic guy. And you know, I just love
the Mercedes team too. You know that whole culture, coach
culture that Toto creates.

Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
And yeah, yeah, we'll go. Think you for your call, Philippa.
Now this text here for you to answer their Alex Powell.
Herald Sports supporter Horner blocked Salbert Audi from signing Lawson.
They wanted him because Red Bull weren't using him and

(01:48:24):
kept him on the sidelines for years, opting for Ricardo instead,
which has proven to be a waste of time karma
if you ask me.

Speaker 24 (01:48:31):
Okay, so yes, that's a very good point. Salbert and
Audi did want Liam Lawson, however, there was no blocking. Contractually,
Liam wasn't allowed to negotiate with another team before a
certain date, and Red Bull made sure that date never arrived.
They locked him in before. I think it was Azerbaijan
last year, and then there was Singapore the last or
that week after, and that's when we had the scenes
with Daniel Ricardo.

Speaker 2 (01:48:51):
Yeah, Adrian, welcome to the show.

Speaker 12 (01:48:54):
Oh hi guys, first time call, a longtime listener.

Speaker 6 (01:48:58):
Welcome.

Speaker 12 (01:48:59):
I just wanted to say something about I heard a
comment that people were bagging Liam Lawson that know that
don't know him and nothing about him.

Speaker 17 (01:49:10):
I was privileged enough.

Speaker 12 (01:49:12):
Couple of years ago to actually meet Liam at Hampton
Downs and we did some drive laps with him, and
to be honest, like you couldn't meet you couldn't meet
a nicer young guy, like he's very driven, but just
you know, like a super nice guy, super driven, and
this was just prior to him actually getting a full
time Formula One drive, and he said to us at

(01:49:33):
the time that his ultimate dream was to get to
Red ball Formula one. That was that was his main focus.
And it just annoys me when people bag him when
they know nothing about him. And also, you know, like
anyone that knows Formula One data doesn't lie, So if
he couldn't drive, he wouldn't be in one of those
top twenty seats. I mean, he's an amazing he's an

(01:49:55):
amazing young man and an amazing driver.

Speaker 3 (01:49:57):
Good on you for saying that, Adriana Alex. You've been
dealing with Liam pretty much from from day one of
his journey, and I imagine you'd concur with a lot
of what Adrian's saying.

Speaker 24 (01:50:05):
I met Lim when he was seventeen years old, when
he signed for Red on his seventeenth birthday, and throughout
the years, you know, through through Formula three, in Formula Term,
and he when you're raced in Germany, when you raced
in Japan, He's always been very generous with his time
to me. I mean, obviously it's a bit harder now,
but Adrian's exactly right. He is just the most the

(01:50:27):
most humble, the most polite, the most measured athlete. I
think I've probably covered within, you know, across all sports,
you know, Like I mean, I'd buy him an orange
juice of if he was in here today. You know,
I'm proud, but yeah, yeah, you really do. Just wish
all success for not just him, but for his family.
The sacrifices Mum and Dad have made to get him

(01:50:47):
where he is as well.

Speaker 2 (01:50:48):
Selling houses and such. Now do you agree with what
Adrian says there that that the data on Liam is good?
And of course the new team principal at red Ball
has been working with Liam for for a while. Now
do you think the data on him because as we
were talking about off, yeah, he said, it's three pieces
of incredible bad luck inngin over heat, he's he's been

(01:51:10):
taken out and and so there's three to three of
his races have been taken off and with nothing to
do with him.

Speaker 24 (01:51:16):
Yeah, it's you know, you're exactly right, Matt, the things
that go against them. I mean, like we talk about luck,
there's no such thing as luck, but things just go
against you. And Liam said that, you remember in qualifying
was at Bahrain, there was a fault with DRSA. He
lost like a millisecond and that knocks him out. Yeah,
I think we've seen when everything goes his way, he's
he's as good as any of them. You know, the

(01:51:36):
sixth in Austria with Fernando Alonso right behind him for
sixty six laps, Fernando Altso has one two well tired
as his race more Grand Prix than anyone else. He
couldn't get around him. Yeah, that's not a fluke.

Speaker 2 (01:51:46):
The six of say love. If one hate drive to survive,
I'd rather watch Shane us Gisburg and drive Nescar. I
find the races themselves boring as hell. I pretty much
watch qualifying and look at the race results the next day.
It's a very good point. Qualifying is a totally different
thing from from the races.

Speaker 24 (01:52:02):
I think that just is the reality of F one
in twenty twenty five, and we've spoken about it, Matt.
The cars are so big now that it is just
so hard to pass unless you're on a certain track.
Like they're changing it next year with the new regulations
coming in. You know, it's a hopefully it'll make it
a bit more competitive, but like I completely understand the
notion of Shane bengis bog. He's another one who's doing amazing.
You look at how competitive NASCAR is, how competitive Indika is,

(01:52:24):
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:52:25):
Yeah, So the future of Red Bull for the rest
of the season without Christian Horner, how do you see
that plane out?

Speaker 4 (01:52:32):
Is this new fella? Is he going to make all
the difference or has he got some week to do?

Speaker 8 (01:52:35):
So?

Speaker 24 (01:52:35):
I look at this as sort of a hail Mary
to try and keep Max for stappam. You know, it's
been long reported the animosity between Joss for stapp and
Max's dad and Christian Horner talks already that Max and
Mercedes are and discussions over depth twenty twenty six. Whether
or that that'll sort of freeze on those we don't know.
But as what does Laura Mickey's do. I think he

(01:52:57):
has to try and create as good an environment as
it can. So it's reported and understood that there is
a performance clause in Maxi Tappans contract that if Red
buller at a certain point halfway through the season, he
can seek an exit, you know, And I think that's
why the trying to do a to try and actually
beat that target or b just to create an environment
that he doesn't want to leave.

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
Alex may be able to confirm, but am I right
this Texasis and saying Helmut Marco is more of a
fan than Christian Laws.

Speaker 24 (01:53:20):
No, that was exactly right. Helmet Marko was a very
big believer in liamb Helmets. Helmets backed them from well,
but I think about the same time, mind you and
somebody was seventeen. Marco was very vocal last year like, no,
we have to give him a seat. You remember, a
lot of the pressure on Daniel Ricardo came from Helmet
Marco because he wanted Landlass in the car.

Speaker 4 (01:53:37):
Yeah, all right, okay, love it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:38):
Alex, thank you very much as always for coming and
no doubt there'll be some more drama in the next
couple of weeks.

Speaker 4 (01:53:43):
So we'll see you then a we'll get you back in.

Speaker 2 (01:53:45):
Will we see the horn Dog Christian Horner returning as
principal of another team.

Speaker 24 (01:53:50):
I mean there's talks now that I say talks talk
that Ferrari and Alpine could go in from. I don't
think we'll see it. I think if he does come back,
it'll be in sort of an overseer advisory role with someone.
If it was to come back as a team principle.
I think that'd be very interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:54:03):
It would be very interesting. Is it always in it
as it always is an if one?

Speaker 4 (01:54:07):
Yeah, love it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:08):
Alex's good to see you, mate. We'll catch up with
you again soon. That is New Zealand Herald sports journalist
Alex Powell. It is eight minutes to four.

Speaker 1 (01:54:17):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
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Speaker 3 (01:54:29):
Just a quick question here for you, Matt get A. Matt,
would it be fair to say Liam's weak point is
is qualifying? He can sustain good speed over a Grand Prix,
but finds himself in the back quarter of the field
after qualifying.

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
Yeah, look, I don't know. I think I think he's
got skills across the board. But look at Nico Olgenberg,
whose weak point was definitely qualifying, but he's been coming
from the back of the track getting his first podium
in two hundred and thirty nine races from nineteen Nah,
love Liam. Anyone that thinks he's no good is a loseer.
But just look at Christian Horner's record one hundred and

(01:54:59):
twenty four wins, six contruct the titles and eight drivers
titles in his twenty years at Red Bull, So what
if you think of the man? That is pretty impressive.
Thank you to all your great New Zealants for listening
to the show. Thanks so much for all your calls
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right now, Tyler, my good friend, tell me why I'm
playing this song.

Speaker 4 (01:55:42):
This is a dramatic piece of music.

Speaker 3 (01:55:44):
Is this some on the new f one movie that
I'm ute to see but I will go and see
it this weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:55:48):
Yeah, this is the harns of a theme.

Speaker 4 (01:55:50):
Yeah, powerful.

Speaker 2 (01:55:52):
It's a great movie, Yeah, fantastic. I mean, if you're
an F one fan, you'll see a few things that
will make you go, and that's not very likely. But
it's still a great film.

Speaker 4 (01:55:59):
Yeah, getting rave reviews. Go see it.

Speaker 2 (01:56:01):
Thanks so much for listening everyone, see you tomorrow. Until then,
give them a taste of kiwek Love yours.

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