Full Show Podcast: 10 October 2025

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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello, are you great New Zealander And welcome to Matt
and Tyler Full Show Podcast number two one nine two
one nine for the tenth of October twenty twenty five.
Really really fun show went off the rails. There's a
call where this face facts went pretty sexual at the end.
But you know, good on your mark. You got one
past us.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
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Speaker 4 (00:37):
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So lookout for that. So download, subscribe and give us
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Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah, that's right. And look, I really love the chat
with Harry Everill, who's a young man who's written a
book called Hungry for Happiness about his mental health struggle.
It's a fantastic bookers struggle with male and orexia and
it's just an incredible book. And actually I'm down in
Hawk's Bay on Sunday from twelve to one talking to

(01:06):
him at an event down there at the Hawk's Bay
Readers and Writers Festival. So if you're in the region,
you're near Hastings on Sunday afternoon lunchtime, come along, yeah
and listen to us listen to me more.

Speaker 5 (01:23):
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Speaker 1 (01:33):
The big stories, the leak issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons News.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Talk said, the Happy Friday to you. Welcome to the
end of the week. For a lot of us. Always
feels God on a Friday, doesn't it. I hope you're
doing well.

Speaker 5 (01:51):
We're heavy.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
You're listening in this country of ours? Kday, Matt, Yes,
we're here. What's going on here?

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Where are we?

Speaker 5 (01:58):
It's Friday?

Speaker 2 (01:59):
All right? Sorry? The Dodgers are playing the Phillies.

Speaker 5 (02:01):
And how they do it, it's pretty tight.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
I don't want to spoil anyone that's waiting into watch.
I'm not sure how many people. There's a few people
texting about the Dodgers. But baseball is a risky in
the American sport in general. It's a risky to get
yourself involved because it's so glamorous and so exciting. And
about twelve years ago, when I saw the Dodgers play
in Colorado and they smashed the Rockies, and I've been

(02:25):
in love with them ever since. And it's just such
an un goal to really really care about a sports
team that isn't from any of your hometowns or anything.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
You're massively donkey deep into this thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
you go home, you watch the baseball. Yeah, you have
it sort of on multiple screens and here at times.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, hey, Matt, hell of a ball game at Dodger Stadium,
going on down, going down to the y. Yeah, because
if the Dodgers win this, then they're through to the
next round. They're through to the champion, the National League
Championship Series if they anyway, let's not get into the details.
Just let's go Dodgers.

Speaker 5 (02:58):
Let's go Dodgers.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Right, if you care about baseball, you know what's going on.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
Hey, now, just before we get into the old menu
and what's on the show today, just a quick question
for you. Yeah, drinking, it's a little bit of elitist
to get in a gardener elitist.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
Yeah, do you reckon?

Speaker 4 (03:13):
It's a little bit like it's a little bit on
keywi that. I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why.
So We've moved into the place that's got a massive
backyard and it's really difficult to I've got a push mower,
so I should probably upgrade that. And I tried it
once and it took me like half a day to
do this garden and I've got to get the weed
whacker out, and it's a duous and to be frank,

(03:36):
it feels like waste my time.

Speaker 5 (03:37):
I'm not a great gardener.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
So I just thought, and you know me massively stally,
I don't like spending money if I can just do
it myself. But for the first time, I just thought,
maybe i'd just get in with a feller or a
lady to get it.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
And economy works if you do what you're good at
and earn money at what you're good at, and then
you spend that money hiring people to do what they're
good at, and then the whole economy goes around. So
I say, absolutely, get a gardener. Okay, absolutely if you're
if you're going to spend hours hacking away at it
and and and getting stressed about it and then probably

(04:12):
doing a terrible job. Yeah, I say get a gardener. Okay,
get the experts in.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
Because I asked the old man, and he laughed at
me and said, don't be weak, get out there and
do it yourself.

Speaker 5 (04:20):
You're made of.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Well, how big are we've properly be talking here? We're
talking about an acre?

Speaker 4 (04:25):
Oh no, not that big, No, No, I'd say probably
a quarter acre, maybe a little bit more than that.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
It's quite steep though, there eleborate shrubberies in there or anything.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
I've done a beautiful job, right, so lovely trees in there.
But and also there's the tulips popping up at the moment.
So I when I get the weed whacker out and
just go gung ho, yeah, I felt a little bit bad,
like wrapping up all these beautiful tulips.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Well, I wouldn't take the joy of lawn mowing away
from yourself, because one of the great joys in life
is mowing a lawn. I absolutely love mowing the lawn.
And surely you can do that. It's truly, you can
manage that even with a push even what what do
you mean to push? Like a there's no motor. It's
just old the old standard. There's no motor, just the blades,
just a push moller wow, and with a with a catcher, no.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
No catcher, right, just let the grass fall where it does. Okay,
well you and you know why I got there. Nobody
needs to ask why I got the pushmark because the
price was right.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
That that is, that is not what I mean by
a lot among the lawns is fun.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Yeah, okay, right, I'll go back to dad. I'm giving a.

Speaker 5 (05:25):
Gardener and I won't hear any more about it. Yeah,
very good.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Right on to all these people ticks and go the fillies.
Come on, let's go Dodgers. Yeah, yeah, anyway, anyway, the
answer to that is get a gardener, said for the lawn.

Speaker 5 (05:35):
Okay, okay, very good. Good to solve that one.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Onto today's show after three o'clock because it.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Is a Friday, the new Zealander of the Week, New
Svender of the week. Yeah, yes, that's right. So lots
of votes coming through on nine two nine two. It
hasn't been decided yet, but there is actually a front
runner at the moment, and spoiler it's not a human.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
That is a big spoiler. But keep your nominations coming
through a nine two nine to two. Also after three o'clock,
we want to have a chat about vegan products. So
the EU wants your vegans hostage to roll to stop
calling itself as so in Northern Ireland might have to
play along as well, so that a new vote in
parliament in Europe could ban plant based foods from using
meaty terms like steak, burger or saucy.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, we need to bring that in here. And I'd
agree with milk as well. If it doesn't come from
nipples or teats, then that isn't milk. It's stolen valor,
it's mana munching and it's not on.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
Nicely said, looking forward to that after three o'clock. After two,
it's mental health awareness this weekend. As we know it
is incredibly important and clearly a work in progress for
a lot of people out there when it comes to
looking after our mental health. So we can hear from
people who have gone through those issues mental health battles
and come out on the other side.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, positive stories. And as I've been saying the show,
I read this fantastic book called Hungary to Be Happy
by Harry Averill, and I'm actually I like the book
so much I'm doing an event with him down in
the Hawk's Bay on Sunday at twelve o'clock. It's called
Healing and Recovery at the Hawk's Bay Readers and Writers' Festival.
So come along if you're in the area on Russell

(07:07):
Street South and Hastings. But we're going to get Harry
on the show to talk about his book. So it's
an incredible story how he got male anorexia, went well, anorexia,
but he happens to be male. But you know, in
our heads we think that anorexia is generally a female condition.
But he got anorexia, you know, chasing success as a

(07:30):
sportsperson and it nearly killed him. And the way he
fought back from it just as such a a His
book is such a great read, Hunger for Happiness. So
looking forward to talking term on the show after two o'clock.
I mean, yeah, as you say, Tyler, I'd like to
hear other people's stories one hundred and eighty ten eighty
for Mental Health Awareness Week, how you fought back from
dark parts of your life.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
Yep, there's going to be a good hour. But right now,
let's have a chat about using phones while driving. So
recently a truck driver was convicted of causing a fatal
crash while using his cell phone behind the wheel. He
has been granted early parole. The victims family is devastated
by that and calling out the justice system for letting
him off lightly. This tragic does shine a harsh spotlight

(08:10):
on on our ongoing battle with distracted driving. Despite laws
banning phone use while driving, we've had that in place
to some time, enforcement and penalties remain inconsistent.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yeah, so everyone will have seen people driving along looking
at their phones yeap, texting, scrolling, because we are dangerously
addicted to our phones. It's an incredibly dangerous thing to do.
You probably do it. There's probably someone listening right now
that does it. There could be someone out of driving
and doing that right now.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
Aye.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
But obviously driving while you're not looking at the road
is about as dangerous a thing as you can possibly do.
So in Australia they have, and particularly in Victoria, they
have a lot of technology that has been put into
place to try and catch people on their phones, including
infrared cameras that can spot the phone in your hand

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and hefty fines. Tyler, Yes, absolutely so.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
Just going state by state, in Queensland, it's one and
sixty one dollars Australian for a legal phone use. In Victoria,
it's five hundred and fifty five Western Australia anywhere between
six hundred and a grand in South Australia is six hundred,
which is a heck of a lot more than the
penalties here.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, So what do we need to do about this
situation because it is killing people? And do you think
more fines and more detection would be the way to
do it? And or is it honking your hornet someone?
You know? Do we need to start taking it into
our own hands and pardon the pun, Yeah, takeularly about

(09:42):
taking people with phones in their hands into our hands
and yelling at them. And you know, definitely if you're
in the passenger seat, then you've got to say something
because you know, if someone's driving along. I mean, seriously,
it's ridiculous. Have we got to this where people are
driving around long driving along and they're so addicted to
their phone that they have to read that text message now,
they have to look at that Instagram post now, especially

(10:04):
all the technology they have in phones. Now, I'm in
cars now it's incredible fully entertainment system. But you're not
entertained enough. You're so addicted that you'll drive along not
looking at the road.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
Incredibly dangerous, and I know you see it on an
almost daily basis, and certainly I do on motorways where
it's a four lane motorway And honest to god, saw
somebody watching YouTube while driving down the motorway a couple
of weeks ago, which is just crazy. But what do
you say, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty, do we
need to adopt some of this technology AI cameras to

(10:32):
detect illegal phone use like the ossies are using. Just
some quick figures for you on those cameras. So last
year in Australia there were three hundred and thirty thousand fines,
about eighty eight percent of those were issued via those
new cameras.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Did you refer to the truck driver as a male
it was a female female? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (10:51):
Yeah, okay, right, I don't think I did. But to
clarify that it was a female truck driver.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah, there's just four thousand texts come through saying that
you that you you said it was a map.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
Got clarification. I apologize for if that came out of
my lips.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
We take that back. We aim for one hundred percent
accuracy on the show, and we get about thirty three
percent and we have and we're getting better everywhere.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
Were aiming for fifty and we're getting pretty close. But
thank you very much, and I correct myself. It was
a female truck driver. Sixteen past one. What do we
need to do about illegal phone use while driving? Keen
on your thoughts, the big stories, the big issues, the
big trends and everything in between.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talk si'd be afternoons.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
So we are talking about this recent case of a
truck driver convicted of causing a fatal crash while we're
using her cell phone behind the wheel has been granted
early parole. The victim's family is very upset by that,
but it obviously shines the spotlight on our ongoing battle
with distracted driving. So what do we need to do
to come down on those illegally using their phones?

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Connor, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (11:53):
Hey man, how are you doing good?

Speaker 2 (11:55):
So you're a truck driver, so you'll you'll be seeing
a lot of this from above.

Speaker 8 (11:59):
Yeah, I said on a daily basis, man, And it
just grinds my gears. Excuse the pun, but I see
like Kiwi's adopted a mentality, you know, I heard you
say before you give them a two, you know, tell
them to get off their phone. And I do it
all the time, but you often get the fingers back
or you get told to shove it, you know, something

(12:20):
like that. So we really do need to change the
whole mentality of a community, you know, letting everyone know
in the community just you know, be a lot more
safe and not we're not trying to be dicks.

Speaker 9 (12:32):
Or you know.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Well, people should feel shamed the fact that you've told
them they're on their phone, and maybe that's why they
react so extremely often when people are embarrassed and rightfully shames,
they react in that certain way. But it should be
so incredibly embarrassing that you are on your phone when
you're driving and risking other people's slaves. Now, Connor, do

(12:53):
you see this you know around you know town? Or
do you see this out on the on the open road?

Speaker 8 (12:59):
See it on the open road?

Speaker 10 (13:01):
Man?

Speaker 8 (13:01):
You see it in town. You see it when you're
stuck in traffic, You see it around schools, you see
it everywhere. I mean, and it's disgusting it is. You know,
I know someone that has died themselves that was at
leaked to being on their phone. But you know, we
need to we do really need to knuckle down and
change the way we think about these things on the road, because.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
The most dangerous thing we really do in our lives
is head out in the open roads at a one
hundred kilometers Now is someone coming the other way at
one hundred kilometers an hour?

Speaker 8 (13:31):
So it is man, and our lives are so busy
as it is, and then we chuck a phone in
the mix and eyes are off the road and it's
all over.

Speaker 5 (13:39):
Yeah, but you're so right.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
I mean, if we think about you spot someone who's
clearly drink driving or pistol about to jump into a car,
most of us, it's not all of us, we have
no problem pulling that person aside and if need be,
you know, hog tieing them to make sure they don't
get in their car, because we know how dangerous that
can be. And it's a similar situation with the cell phone.

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A lot of times if you're distracted because you're looking
at a text, and you cause a crash and kill someone.
So it's that mentality there, and I think, look, I
hand up. Sometimes I'm like this if I see someone
on the phone, and maybe I should roll down the
window and say, excuse me, that's highly dangerous. But I
want and because it's that mentality there that I don't
see it the same as drinks. It takes them because

(14:22):
put your phone down. But maybe that's you know that
a big campaign like we did with drink driving. That
took some years, but I think we're all on board
now that that's a crazy irresponsible thing to do.

Speaker 5 (14:32):
And same with using your phone.

Speaker 11 (14:34):
Oh definitely.

Speaker 8 (14:35):
Man, I stand by if you see someone on their
phone and give them a tooth, yeah, good on, you
don't have a good one.

Speaker 12 (14:42):
I've got a suit anyway, mate.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah, I don't want to distract you, will you're driving?

Speaker 13 (14:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, I mean that's the thing as well, like you,
I don't know to most people's cars, like my car
just reads text messages out to me. But I mean,
is it just you know, what do you need to
be on your phone? Is that? Do we now have
to as more and more cars can read the text
messages out to you with car play and Google car
Play or whatever, do you you know? Is it it's

(15:08):
not going to do your Instagram though? Is it? So
are these people because I mean I don't know the
moral hierarchy on it, But for me it seems seems
a little. If you're just scrolling social media while you're
driving along, then you are you are you are deep.
You are deep in.

Speaker 5 (15:21):
A hole, the worst of the worst that you're on Instagram.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
But it teakes is that mentality there that you get
a text and a lot of people think I've got
to get back to this person instantly, So that kind
of weird social pressure there. Oh my god, I've got
to reply right now. And yeah, because you don't. You don't, course,
you don't.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
You don't. Is being on your phone when you're driving,
steering and not looking at the road worse than drunk driving.

Speaker 5 (15:42):
One hundred and eighty ten eighties is number to call.

Speaker 14 (15:45):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Breakfast, hagi, what chance that this is over? There is
peace in the Middle East? And you and I, for
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in your part of the world ever.

Speaker 15 (15:58):
Again, I would say almost none. Unfortunately, even if disagreement
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and gather, than we will have quiet around Gaza and
without any substantial changes of d reality, without justice and
liberations for pasting means across the land. We will just

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be back where we started and there will be renewed
violence in the future.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
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Speaker 4 (16:29):
B Afternoon to you, and we are talking about driving
while using your phone. Do we need to have some
harsher penalties? Do we need to bring in some AI cameras?
Right they use in Australia to crack down on it,
because clearly it's a massive problem out there are one
hundred and eighteen eighties number to call.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Are they AI cameras?

Speaker 5 (16:44):
Yeah, they're utilizing AI all right.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
I know they were infrared cameras and so they read
in and see a hot spot. Interesting, David, welcome to
the show. Very good. So you've seen a bit of
this kind of stuff on the Harbor.

Speaker 9 (16:58):
Bridge Everyboddy you mentioned about leaving people about a minute
before you said it, I'd like coming up the Harbor
Bridge in the north and these you can tell they're
on their phone. The weaving lamp getting right, slowing now
speeding up and I'm thinking, unlest the guy's having a
medical event. I can tell you ninety nine percent of
the time the turkeys are on their phone.

Speaker 16 (17:17):
So I speak of this jugger pulled.

Speaker 9 (17:18):
Up the side of me. I just set aside him until.

Speaker 16 (17:20):
You and then beat dawn.

Speaker 9 (17:21):
And he looked at me, and I indicated that he
might want to prefer driving his buddy full drive as
opposed to driving his telephone. But I mean, I do
about twenty thousand days here and around brand or the
mcgari's part of my job, and it's just rampant. People
just don't care our rats. They will do it anywhere anytime.
They don't care. The fine is so minimal. I mean,
even if they do get Carder to be a miracle anyway,

(17:44):
they need to put these cameras up a thousand bucks
a whack. Then they might start paying more attention.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, final, no fine. You're risking a lot on the
Harbor Bridge because you know, if you hit the barrier
there's people coming from from behind fast normally, you know,
quite apart from the fact that you know you could
kill or injure people badly, I mean the shame you
experience if you shut down the Harbor Bridge because you

(18:11):
were on your phone. Yeah, people just it's amazing that
people don't think about that. Just have their other thought.
Do you think, David, that it's just that they're revulsingly
addicted to their phones.

Speaker 9 (18:22):
I think it's just basic selfishness at the end of
the day. I mean, no one seems to care about
anyone else's life when they're driving a car. It's all
about them doing whatever they like. I think a lot
of us just to do with selfish road behavior.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Sorry, So do you find yourself often honking at people
and trying it to remind them that they're on their phones?

Speaker 16 (18:44):
Oh yeah, I'll serve it up to the turkeys when
I've seen them.

Speaker 9 (18:46):
I don't really care if.

Speaker 17 (18:47):
They get me the fingers or whatever they like to do.

Speaker 9 (18:49):
I'm more than happy to let them know.

Speaker 18 (18:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Well, good on you. You're fighting the good fight out there, David.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (18:54):
Thank you very much. Just mentioned the old shaming thing.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
Remember where they used to put the names of people
that were in front of the court after being caught
drink driving, and they put them in the newspaper. Do
we need to bring that back for people court using
their phones? We just published theirs on the second page
of newspapers and websites around the country, and then everybody
knows that you're an absolute muppet.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Well, before you get in the car, you might want
to ask yourself the question if you killed someone because
you were on your phone, because you couldn't wait to
answer some meaningless text message from someone, or you were
scrolling social media? How would you feel if you killed someone? Yeah?
I mean, how's the rest of your life after that?
I was destroyed for most people? Yeah? Yeah, and you know,

(19:36):
destroyed emotionally. I mean it would be hard to claw
yourself back and prove yourself if you're a good person
coming back from that, wouldn't it?

Speaker 5 (19:43):
Exactly? Can you hear from you?

Speaker 4 (19:45):
What do we need to do, if anything, to clamp
down on illegal use while driving? Oh, eight hundred and
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Speaker 5 (21:16):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
Ray Lane, and we have been talking about fines and
penalties for using your phone while driving. Clearly Australia takes
a lot more seriously than us. A lot larger fines
across the various states and the utilization of cameras and
AI technology to pick up on people using their phones.
Do we need to bring in something like that into
New Zealand love to hear your thoughts. One hundred and

(21:37):
eighty ten eighty so.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
In Victoria using a portable device model phone or driving
instant six hundred and eleven dollar fine. What's that fine here?

Speaker 5 (21:47):
I believe it is one hundred and fifty dollars for
using your phone.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Well, in Queensland instant fine of one two hundred and
nine dollars.

Speaker 5 (21:55):
Which is significant.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
And the information that we've just got in front of
us now three hundred and thirty thousand fines we're handed
out in Australia last year eighty eight percent of those
were issued via the cameras.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
It's interesting though that would work rather than the idea
that you're driving around along not looking at the road
could kill yourself, your family or strangers. It's funny that
finds work more than that logic.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
Right, Yeah, But is that because most people wouldn't think
about that rightly or wrongly. It just doesn't go through
their mind that if I do this, I may kill
somebody and ruin multiple lives. Yeah, and maybe that should
be the thinking before you do that. Nine two nine
two is the text number, Pete. You're a former truck driver.

Speaker 10 (22:37):
It used to be going to make a few years
ago now. But the end of the day is what
did two people normally relying on their life take one
or two of those items of the way. They're pretty
much bugging today's will they rely on their phone and
their car? Yeah, if you go hard on them. I

(22:57):
do believe I heard on one of your shows. They
don't know, but one of your your shows anyway, who
it was, But what they do and not apparently an asia,
is what they do if the cop care, they take
their phone off and do the same here put them
in the front of the car. So I run it over.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
I'll tell you what if you if you were going
to take you know, you could take it further. You know,
I'm not suggesting this, but it would make a difference
if your phone got confiscated and your you know, your
phone connection got cut off for two months. Yeah, that
would or whatever duration I guarantee you that would you
absolutely right, Pete, that would freak people out. I don't
think people listening right now, could just have the thought

(23:39):
that you couldn't have a phone for let's say three months.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
Yeah, and the embarrassment of having to tell your employer
and say, sorry, boss, I'm no longer allowed to use
a phone for the next two months.

Speaker 5 (23:49):
I've been cut off.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
A cop ran it over and then called up the
telco and put me on the black lists and shut
down my SIM card. Yeah, yeah, I mean you're absolutely right, Peter,
that would that would And isn't that weird that we've
reached that statement now where people I think people would
rather a one dollars fine than that.

Speaker 10 (24:10):
Yeah, and I reckon that as well. Just do that
basically follow what Australia. You don't follow. All Australians do it,
but we make the penalties high, say a thousand dollars five.
They got to think twice before they pull that phone out.
They get and use whatever vehicle they're using. Now, I
do see it, hearing you, Plymouth. I walk along the
street and you still see truck drivers using them. They've

(24:31):
got a truck and trailer behind them. So really, if
you get their number and dub them, you bring up
the employer and say this here and pretty much. That
driver will be disciplined pretty harshly if not los his license.
You just don't there's no need. But you've got modern
technology day, you got eye branes and all that.

Speaker 20 (24:47):
You don't have to do that.

Speaker 10 (24:48):
So it's just stupidity, really and inconsiderate killing some person
that may be because of your use of a buck
phone that was not needed to be used when you're driving.
So hit them hard.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yeah, I think you for your call, Pete.

Speaker 5 (25:00):
Yeah, a lot of people would agree with that.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
You guys are sounding almighty looking down on the worst
of us, as if you too have never done it.
I agree it's wrong, but don't make it sound like
you are pure. Pure. Come on, you've never pure. I've
never driven along a motorway looking at my phone when
I'm driving. What do you mean? Yeah, I mean you're pure,
I drive along. I mean okay, look Minjoe. I mean

(25:26):
I have a system in my car where so maybe
I'm not pure pure. My car will read out the
text messages that come through to me. Yeah, and I
don't necessarily feel the need to go on social media.
I might have locked down at my phone at an intersection.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 5 (25:41):
I don't a motorway or the Harbor Bridge.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
But I don't do that anymore. But come on, that's
not pure of pure to not.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
Do it, and I don't think that's been Pollyanna to
not use your phone while you're driving down the motorway.
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. We'll go to Ali get Ali.

Speaker 21 (25:58):
I think you mentioned a really good strategy that you
blocked their stem, because if they're that addicted to it,
that would really drive that point home. I think that's
really good. I actually had a slightly different perspective and
I was wondering what you guys would think about that
because I was not born and raised in New Zealand,

(26:19):
and I've spoken to a lot of people who are
from outside New Zealand. And the idea is that there's
certain things like driving and looking at your phone.

Speaker 16 (26:29):
Or having a dog in the park without a leash.

Speaker 21 (26:31):
There's certain rules on which Kiwi's just blanket go. Like,
you know what, I don't really care about this rule
and I'm not going to follow it. And it's really
interesting because my wife actually has a phobia of dogs
and she constantly gets really worked up about this that
you know there's a rule, why aren't people following it?

Speaker 16 (26:50):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 21 (26:51):
So I think there is this this section of society
that passionately does not care. They're like and and to
your point that you know you were asking, you know,
if you killed someone, how would you feel? But I
think the vast majority of people are so sure of themselves.
They're like, oh, yeah, but that would never happen to me,
because I'm such a good driver, and you know, I'll
be fine.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
It's such a good driver, I could drive without looking
at the road exactly.

Speaker 21 (27:15):
You know, how great of a driver do you have
to be there? You don't even have to look right,
But I think, yeah, to your point that if you
were to disconnect their stem for a little bit, I
think they would really drive the.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Point I've got to say with the text before accusing
me of being pure than pure, I do. I do
let my little doggie off the off the leash and
places where it's not to be there.

Speaker 5 (27:38):
It's hell of an emission.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
So I do sin.

Speaker 5 (27:41):
Yeah, the police are going to turn out outside the studio.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
I do sin. But then again I would say that
my dogs. You know, it's probably if you're scared of rats.
You'd be scared of my dog. Yeah, it's just a
little little fellow.

Speaker 5 (27:51):
He is pure Colin.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Hey, but thank you so much for you call Ali. Yeah,
thank you very much. Right, twenty to two.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
Plenty of calls to get too. If you can't get through,
keep trying. Nine two ninety two is the text number.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
The worst I see as a truck driver with Bluetooth
is the one that have the phone holder plaster to
the windscreen, eating over the steering wheel, putting numbers in
to call someone with their eyes totally off the road.
Very dangerous and should be illegal.

Speaker 5 (28:14):
Yeah, good text as twenty to two back in a month.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
It's a fresh take on talkback. It's Matt Heath and
Taylor Adams afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty News TALKB.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
News Talks ZB. Do we need to come down harder
on people using their phones while driving? Eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Stewart You but buttle bit of Stuart.

Speaker 22 (28:38):
I've got to Tyler, how are you?

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah, that's so you do it for me? Thanks Stuart.

Speaker 22 (28:43):
It's a long time mos snurf. First time caller.

Speaker 13 (28:45):
Good.

Speaker 22 (28:46):
I need the topic touch that I'm suddenly going nice
to pick the phone up and have a chat about it.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Nice.

Speaker 22 (28:51):
The one thing that I think you missed in the
Australian example was the demerit points they apply to it
as well. They only get twelve demerit points over there,
and you get a thousand dollars fine and three demerit points. Ano,
there is twenty five percent of your demerit points to
go on because you've used the phone, right.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
That is interesting because I did see in this information
here it was three demerit points and Queensland for example,
but I didn't realize it's very different from our demerit
point system, which of course is one hundred twelve.

Speaker 5 (29:22):
Is a different story.

Speaker 22 (29:24):
Indeed, But if you had to lose twenty five percent
of your demerit points, you sort of work your ideas
up pretty quickly. Yeah. That's and the fact that a
thousand dollars fine is pretty motivated.

Speaker 5 (29:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (29:34):
Now the motorcycle rider, I have to say, I came
back literally on Wednesday, and coming through christ such every
blimen stop sign or lights that you came to, everybody
was checking their faith and just unbelievable and I try
to stay as far away as possible as that and
or toot the horn to remind them, you know, concentrate

(29:55):
on the drive, not on the phone.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
Yeah, just unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (29:59):
So I've just looked it up, Stuart.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
It's twenty demerit points at the moment if you get
caught in New Zealand plus one hundred and fifty dollar fine,
So ramping up that demerit point to what forty and
obviously a chunky fine on top of that, that would
certainly send a message.

Speaker 11 (30:13):
Oh.

Speaker 22 (30:13):
Look like when I went to Queensland, they just increased
it to the thousand dollars. That was a wee while ago.
But at the end of the day we suddenly looked
at each other and said, if they did that in
New Zealand, men, would people wake up?

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah? Yeah, would Yeah? But I mean, can you actually
say can you? Can you? I guess you'd get some
people like that and it sends a message out. But
I just wonder if you, if you're willing to do that,
then can anything, because because already the threat of an
accident and hurting other people and hurting yourself is so

(30:47):
so large that everyone must know. It's a crazy thing
to do.

Speaker 22 (30:52):
Why wonder, because when you consider how much of that
stretch and is actually the cause of accidents anyway, I
mean people checking out their phones as they're driving, just
a horrendous amount of that would be contributed surely, and
it would eliminate a lot of that.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah, thanks you for your call, Stuart, great first call,
call anytime. I waite hundred eighteen and eighty. Hey, Matt
and Tyler. I think the problem with texting while driving
is that the key we mentality is that it will
never happen to me, says this text, Well it can.
People need to understand the act of driving requires your
full attention. There are so many variables that you're not
in control of when driving, so let's at least safely

(31:27):
control the one we can. Regards Linda, it does seem
to be an absolute basic that you would be looking
where you're going.

Speaker 14 (31:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
Absolutely, But isn't there just your point before? Do people
think about the possibility of killing someone or getting into
a bad accident?

Speaker 5 (31:41):
I don't think they do.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
I generally don't think a lot of people when they
look at their phone or see a text come through,
not one part of their brain is thinking if I
do this, I may kill somebody. And that's probably the problem.
When you think about if I have too many drinks
and jump into a car, most people would think there's
a real possibility I'm going to kill myself with somebody else.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Yeah, but isn't the problem with drink driving? Is drink
driving something a sober person would never do?

Speaker 5 (32:03):
Yeah, good point there is that.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Logically, it does speak to the addiction of the phone addiction,
doesn't it. Yeah, yeah, it speaks to how people and
that fomo of having to reply to someone straight away.
I mean I read a lot of books. I read
a lot of I love Charles Dickens and Boy the
communication then by letter, you know, that's how people could communicating. Yeah,
so people were quite willing to wait for a week

(32:26):
to get a reply to their questions. Now we're driving
down the motor aaut one hundred kilometers an hour and
we can't wait to check the text, the mundane text
message that's coming through.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
How things have changed? It is thirteen to two O
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
eighty ten eighty it's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons
news talks.

Speaker 5 (32:48):
They'd be afternoons here it's eleven to two.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
This text the cases. I'm listening and texting via Apple
Car Play.

Speaker 9 (32:55):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
That's see, that's fine. That is allowed because you can
look using your eyes, yes, while you're texting.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
And you can say, hey, Sary, why you're still got
your eyes on the road on? Yeah, and that's okay.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Hands freeze been around for about thousand years. Yes, Oh,
that is absolutely fine. It's driving along, not looking out
the windscreen.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
It's the problem if you've even had to sneeze while driving,
How terrifying is that? And that's only that's only taken
your eyes off the road for a second.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
I've got a condition where I sneeze. I don't know,
would you call it a condition? I always sneeze four times, right,
So when I go into a sneeze when I'm driving,
I have.

Speaker 5 (33:32):
To It is terrifying. Yeah, yeah, it's right.

Speaker 14 (33:34):
Right.

Speaker 5 (33:35):
How's this going to go, Nadine? Have I said that right?

Speaker 9 (33:40):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (33:40):
Nadine, Nadine, nice to chat with you. What's your thoughts?

Speaker 23 (33:45):
A few a year ago, I was in the Middle East,
UI and I spent three years. And if you have
a poon in your hand, there is camera everywhere and
you're pay with at least five hundred durham which is
two fifty dollars, and they will not ex leave you.
And even if you are on a road and police

(34:08):
see you with a phone, they will come and grab
the food from you and say okay, you are fine,
and they will take the food from you. And the
rules are very strict, and I think so in New
Zealand they need to put these type of rules. And
if the government puts the camera everywhere and if anybody
is seen with a poon in their hands straight away,

(34:28):
they should be fined because this is very dangerous and
I think so the government should put strict rules about
it because you are playing with your life of the
other people and also be your also sometimes, so I
think the rules should be really strict. And I think
in New Zealand the rules are not strict because when
you receive a letter they say if you dispute this,

(34:50):
then you can write to us and do this and that,
But in that country they don't give you that right.
So I think so it's so it's the.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Law that if the police finds you talking on the
phone and they pull you over, they confiscate your phone.
That's just know that you have your phine I can
offer you and can you get can you get a bet?
Is there a period of time before you can get
it back?

Speaker 23 (35:13):
Yeah, you can get it back after paying the fine.
And also if a young guy who is underage and
I saw that by myself, he was driving a car
and police came and asked him do you have a lot. No,
he was straight away handcuffed and taken away and the
car was left. So the rules should be implemented where

(35:35):
lives are in danger, and I think so the New
Zealand government should do that. And I also listened to
the previous guy. The Australian news are very tough because
I went to Queenstow, Queensland, and if you have a
heavy phone in your hand and then the camera catches you,
then you are done.

Speaker 24 (35:54):
Mean do you have to be defined?

Speaker 23 (35:56):
So I think so the define should be really hard,
so people should not.

Speaker 9 (36:01):
Be doing that.

Speaker 5 (36:02):
Yeah, stay a night that I muck around in the
middle ace.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
That's how do you feel about that? Hundred it ten eight?
I mean it's always a bit of a balance. When
you're constantly getting filmed by the government. Yeah, and you know,
as long as as long as the stuff is just
used for what it's supposed to be used for. Yes,
if they're just bringing you for being on your phone,
then then that's okay. But if they start, they start,

(36:28):
I don't know, tracking you for other things, and then
it's a bit Then it gets a bit hairy, doesn't it.
It certainly does, Yeah, But I just it's just odd
for me that people can't work it out and not
do it.

Speaker 22 (36:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (36:40):
Yeah, I've been late.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
I mean, you have taken it upon yourself to do
the raw dogging and to stop using your phone as
much as you need to, and that's a good thing.
But again, and you've said this many times over the
last hour, it is that that deep addiction that people
have to their phones. And I just think the majority
of them probably should be thinking if I do this,
or may kill someone.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
But I don't know if they are. The six guys
eating a super hot mints and cheese pie, in my opinion,
is more dangerous than texting. I mean, I've had some
hairy situations eating. There was a you know, I don't
normally eat a vegetarian pie. But the Ponsonby Pious used
to do a fantastic spinach and cheese sounds pretty good.
It was fit it, but it also came with about
a liter of boiling water in it. So I remember

(37:21):
I was driving down Ponsby Road once took a bite
and it just unleashed hel down my face and down
the front of my shirt, and I was just screaming
in agony. And so I would agree that that's pretty dangerous,
and then that's why you don't eat vegetarian pies. But
also that particular pie, I don't think there's much more
dangerous than trying to drive drinking that is also drinking

(37:42):
that pie. There's a lot of water in it.

Speaker 5 (37:43):
Yeah, that is a word of caution there, Roger. You
want to talk about bluetooth.

Speaker 25 (37:48):
Yeah, actually I've got I'm listening on my cell phone
at the moment. I'm in my car, but I've actually
got the motor off and everything, so I'm talking on
my phone itself, not on Bluetooth, but it's I've been
driving along and I've received a call and all I've
got to do is press a button. I'm steering wheel

(38:09):
and I can keep watching the road and talking at
the same time. Yeah, I'm not taking my attention off
the road. And if I see anything starting to happen
on the road in front of me, I just center around.
Whoever's call him is a right standby. I got problems
coming up and Benga, no worries. But by the same token,

(38:30):
I've had a driver's license for what sixty seven years,
so you know, I've seen things come through.

Speaker 26 (38:38):
That you know what eighty two year old see. And
this is one of the worst scourges I have seen
in New zeal in any country for that matter. Yeah, people,
you know, people texting and as what was his name,
I can't remember now, but Chap said, you know, the

(38:58):
truck driver said, you know the traffic lights in that
ninety times per cent of the time.

Speaker 16 (39:02):
He look down.

Speaker 25 (39:03):
Here's a bloody driver in the car beside you texting.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yeah, it's crazy, isn't it. And absolutely the technology is there.
And further to it, like if you've got an incredible
fomo to the point where you think that you need
to read a text just in case it's the most
important thing in the world, I mean, surely they'll call.
Surely if it's the worst If it's an emergency, something
that takes your attention to the point where you need
to look at it when you're driving. Then pull over

(39:29):
they'll ring yeah yeah, or pullover or they'll ring yeah.

Speaker 5 (39:33):
Very true.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
Yeah, good discussion. Thank you very much to everyone who
called in text on that one. I think it's pretty
clear that most people are saying we're going to do something,
So we'll wait to see what happens in that space.
But coming up after two o'clock, it is Mental Health
Awareness Week, always incredibly important, now more than ever. I
work in progress for a lot of us taking care
of the old mental health, so we can to hear

(39:54):
from people who have gone through some battles and come
out on the other side. And also a very special
guest coming in.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Yeah, we're going to talk to Harry Averill, who's wrote
a fantastic book called Hungry to Be Happy about his
battles with mental health. Anorexia in high school is a
great book and it'll be a great chat. And this
texta says, I don't think raw dogging means what you
think it does. Andy means multiple things.

Speaker 22 (40:17):
Spot on.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen Tyler Adams
Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 5 (40:25):
It'd be very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
Welcome back into the program. It is six pass too.
It's going to be a very interesting hour. It is
Mental Health Awareness Week, and clearly that's an incredibly important
week and clearly work in progress for a lot of
keywi's out there who have gone through their own journeys
of mental health battles. And we're really going to hear
from you on O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
if you've been through a mental health battle and come

(40:50):
out on the other side.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Yeah, and I'll be talking about a little bit on
this show. But I read this fantastic book by a
gentleman called Harry Everil and it's called Hungry to Be Happy.
And he's here, he's in the studio with us.

Speaker 5 (41:03):
He certainly is get a hairy Nice to see you mate.

Speaker 18 (41:06):
Good eight Yeah, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yeah, So let's get into your book and your and
your battle with mental health and then eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty, because we wanted to talk about how
you get out the other end of it, because you know,
we've had quite a lot of discussions on this about
how it hits people. But the path out is really
the really the key. And that's what's one of the
great things about your book is it's epic. It's an

(41:29):
epic journey into into your mind. And at one point
you described it as the demon that got into your
got into your mind and part of your mind was
working against you, which and but you managed to fight
back against that part of your mind, which is which
it's incredible read, actually so great book. Tell us, Harry,
how your mental health struggle started, because it's probably different

(41:51):
than most people think. These these things happen.

Speaker 5 (41:54):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 18 (41:55):
Yeah, for me, it all started when I started high
school back in twenty thirteen, when I was year nine,
and I went to boarding school and made into this
running team and I'd never really been a runner before,
but kind of happened to be, you know, happened to
be one of the few who tried really hard on
these running races and made it in and I kind

(42:16):
of just got trapped and at that point it was
kind of really difficult to get myself out of the team.
Put a lot of pressure on myself, and it all
kind of started with just wanting to run faster and
be successful. And yeah, eventually it kind of turned into
this thing called anarexia, which I didn't know guys could
get let alone kind of happy, healthy, normal, Kiwi bokes.

(42:43):
It just wasn't something that even I thought of as
a possibility. So in a way that was kind of
my That had a big part to play the fact
that I didn't know what I was going through and
it kind of just snuck up on me. And I
think of it a wee bit like a bug, Like
I just caught a bug in the same way you
catch a cold.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Right, So the motivation really was that you wanted to
get faster, and you wanted to be more and more dissipate,
and you wanted to be successful. You were very focused.
You had an idealic childhood, adylic childhood running around great parents,
a couple of fantastic brothers. But you had this idea
in your head that that childhood was over. You're at

(43:21):
high school now. You needed to succeed. So you had
this app this huge ambition to succeed, and when it
came to running, it all all focused in on that
and you were like, to go faster. I need to
be thinner, and I need to exercide hard, and I
need to be more and more disciplined. Is that a
correct analysis, Yes, exactly.

Speaker 18 (43:39):
Yeah, it was just kind of a chain of all
these misinterpretations. I kind of thought, you know, to run faster,
you have to be leaner, started losing a bit of weight,
started running faster because of all the training, And then
next minute I thought I had to keep getting skinnier
to keep getting faster. But it was kind of the opposite.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
Right, So as a fourteen year old and you're in
that scenario and obviously you know something is not quite
right here, but you're not quite sure what it is.
I mean, did you face that, because it is an
incredible thing for anyone to go through, let alone a
fourteen year old fella dealing with this thing called anxiety.
How did you start to figure out, right, there's something

(44:16):
a lot more going on here than I might might
have thought of originally.

Speaker 18 (44:20):
Yeah, Unfortunately, I kind of just thought it was all
part of growing up. Like I've been intermediate in primary
school and just had this really kind of perfect happy childhood,
and then arrived at high school things were a bit harder.
Wasn't feeling quite so happy, But I thought, maybe this
is just the price everyone has to pay if they
kind of want to achieve and be happy long term,
you know, get success and maybe a couple of decades

(44:42):
down the track, be happy. So I kind of just
let it slide. And then it got to the point
like it does for a lot of people, where you're
kind of stuck and you're in a rush and you
can't really get out.

Speaker 11 (44:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Well, what's interesting about it is that you played a
lot of rugby, and you were playing in the front row,
and then you were moving back and wait, and then
as you lost this weight for the running, that was
a pretty clear indicator that you were losing the muscle
and size you needed to play footy exactly.

Speaker 18 (45:08):
I would have been one of the leanest looking lockers
going around and rugby at the time. But Yeah, started
losing energy and was quite clearly getting slower, running a
lot worse at rugby, and just kind of a bit
of a shadow of who I was the year before.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
And it dives so fast and so hard, and you're
at more Boys school, you're a border and then it
just becomes untenable to the point where there's no other
way to say it. It got within millimeters of killing you.

Speaker 18 (45:39):
Yeah, Yeah, and that's the scary thing about anorexia is
that it's a physical disorder as much as it's a
mental one. The mental ones are kind of gradual decline,
the physical ones really sharp. And yeah, I got really
lucky to get into hospital. It just in the nick
of time, and was just lucky to have the amazing
doctors and nurses who were there to keep me alive.

(46:00):
And from that point, once I got the food on
board and got the energy back, I could kind of
start making progress myself mind.

Speaker 16 (46:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Yeah, basically your heart was moments away from stopping.

Speaker 24 (46:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (46:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (46:14):
I memory is always a bit kind of hazy around
that time, but I just remember it being pretty serious
and yeah, lots of concern and yeah, to be honest, yeah,
I suppose it's just luck. And you could say I
should have been in hospital sooner, but yeah, just lucky
to be here.

Speaker 11 (46:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Yeah, Well we'll take a break and then when we
come back, we'll talk about a little bit more about
anorexia and also how you fought back with your with
your mental health struggles to be very successful.

Speaker 16 (46:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (46:46):
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
We are speaking to Harry Everell. He's written the book
Hungry to Be Happy, and he's going to stick with
us for a few more minutes. So there's thirteen past two.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 14 (47:00):
Call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us Talk.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Said, be.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
Afternoon to you. It's sixteen past two. It is mental
health awareness.

Speaker 13 (47:07):
We can.

Speaker 4 (47:08):
We are joined by a great New Zealander. His name
is Harry Everell. When he's written a book Hungry to
Be Happy. Thanks very much for coming in, Harry, Thank
you so Harry.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
When we left the story, you'd been very keen to
be successful. You're a sporty young lad at an all
boys school in Napier. You're a border and you decided
to get really really good at running. Unfortunately, that ambition
introduced anorexia into your life and it nearly killed you.
And how long because you ended up losing your freedom

(47:39):
because of this, you ended up being interned. Basically, didn't you?
Is it in turned the word the word where they
take you off your parents and they put you in
a hospital that you can't leave.

Speaker 5 (47:49):
Yeah, Water of the State, I think, yeah, that's it.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (47:51):
Yeah. I was in hospital for four weeks and that
was hospital hospital, like getting fed through a tuban getting
the physical health back on track, and then yeah, that
was pretty tough, obviously, And then got transferred down to
psych Ward and Wellington and yeah, way and family and everyone,
and that was for three months. And about the end

(48:13):
of the second month down there, that was when I
started to kind of turn a corner and finally start recovering.
I suppose yeah, because.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
For a while, you know, they could feed you, but
you were so determined on this thing, and you felt
such guilt about putting on weight, and because that had
gone into your head that that was success and that
was discipline that you had to be watched twenty four
hours because you were just tense up and bid like
a board, wouldn't you so because you knew that that
would that would expand energy, So you'd be like, okay,

(48:44):
well you could force me to eat, you can put
it down my nose or whatever, but I will just
expend that energy just by tightening up. It must be.
Can you see that mindset still? Can you understand that
mindset now that you were at the other end.

Speaker 18 (48:59):
I kind of couldn't even see it at the time,
how irrational it was. My mind was obviously just so malnourished,
and my thought loops were so kind of entrenched at
that point, I just there was no other option.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
It wasn't like it was a choice.

Speaker 18 (49:13):
It was like, in the same way that we have
to breathe, that just felt like the only option for me,
and everyone around me was kind of act digging as
if it was crazy, and I kind of knew it was,
but for me, it was like, there's no way out
of us.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Yeah, and then you realized at some point that anorexia
wasn't you, which is kind of hard to understand, but
you explain it so well in the book Hungry to
Be Happy, that you realized that part of your mind
was an entity into itself that was trying to destroy you.

Speaker 10 (49:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (49:45):
And I think everyone has a little voice at the
back of them, you know, on their shoulder or something,
kind of barking at waters at them sometimes, and sometimes
that's what helps us succeed, because it's kind of motivating
us to get up and do things and succeed and
be the best versions of ourselves. But for me, it
kind of just got out of control and that and

(50:05):
a critic just went, hey, iron was kind of the
only voice I started hearing in my head, and it
all felt like it was me thinking these thoughts that
I need to stop eating and exercise and all this
kind of thing. But yeah, just completely took control and
there wasn't a kind of way to fight back against it.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
It was interesting when you did fight it back against it,
you had to get into a dialogue in your own mind.
So anorexia was telling you to do things, and you're going,
hang on a minute, that doesn't make any sense. This
isn't going to make my life better, It's going to
make it worse.

Speaker 5 (50:39):
Right, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 18 (50:41):
And it seemed almost crazy at the time, kind of
ironically that I had to start having this conversation with
myself in my head to get through it. But as
soon as I started differentiating my thoughts, my happy, healthy
thoughts to this anorexic thing that the doctors told me
I had, that was when I started being able to
kind of objectively fight back against it.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
Did that journey take time when you realized that situation
and that work to talk again that critic? Can you
hear and figure out that this is that almost another
entity saying these things that aren't through What did that
journy look like in terms of a timeframe, probably a.

Speaker 18 (51:17):
Couple of yeah, two or three months, and working with
clinical psychologists who were telling me that this was a
different part of me that I don't need to fight,
and eventually, I suppose, just with time and with strength
and energy getting feedback into me, I kind of got
the strength to start. And then a few weeks later

(51:38):
I kind of turned this massive corner and flick the switch,
I suppose, and from that point things have just been
onwards and upwards.

Speaker 5 (51:45):
All right, amazing.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
We take a break and come back with Harry and
the happy part of the story.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
Absolutely, We're really enjoying this conversation Harry. We are speaking
to Harry Everel here is the author of Hungry to
Be Happy. We are going to take a quick break
and come back with Harry. It is twenty past two.
You're listening to Matt and Tyler. Hope you having a
good afternoon.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Matt, Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on Youth Talk ZIB afternoon.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
It is Mental Health Awareness Week and we are joined
by Harry Averil. He's a great New Zealand d and
he's written a book called Hungry to be happy his
journey with coming through on the other side after battling
with anorexia.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Yeah, and it is mental Health Awareness weeks this timely
chat with this gentleman. So you've worked out you've got this.
As the neuroscientist Ethan what doesn't Ethan cross yet called
it the inner asshole. Sometimes we create an inner asshole
on our head that's just going at us and it's
part of us, but it's trying to destroy us. So
you managed to differentiate yourself from anorexia and start fighting back.

(52:51):
And that was about two months after you'd been incarcerated
basically in a psych ward in Wellington, away from your
family with a twenty four hour surveillance to make sure
you didn't exercise yourself to death. And so tell us
about the after that and how you came back and
the sixth is that you've since experienced especially at school.

Speaker 17 (53:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (53:11):
So I was kind of sitting there three meals a
day at this psych ward and this played a food
in front of me and I just slowly started fighting
back against these thoughts and realizing that it wasn't me
and it was someone else, and I started objectively looking
at it, you know, like I need to eat. I
want my life back, I want to be happy again.
I need to eat. This is just means to an end,

(53:32):
and eventually it'll be easy. And so I did that,
and then eventually I kind of had this epiphany one day,
sitting there in the pyche ward that I was just
angry and I'd had enough of it.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
I was so sick of it.

Speaker 18 (53:43):
My life sucked objectively.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
So it doesn't get much more sucky than the position
you were in.

Speaker 18 (53:50):
No, And you know, my mates were there at school,
still growing up and doing this cool stuff. And there
here I was, you know, away from my family and friends,
and I just at that point I had all the
motivation I needed. In a way, I was lucky for
things to turn so badly that I had no voice
but to start getting better. And from that point it

(54:12):
was just onwards and upwards, and fighting those thoughts got
easier from that point because I was just so angry
at what it had taken from me. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Yeah, And as you said, you didn't know that anorexia
is something that can happen to males. And being a
rugby playing dude in all boys school did it make
it harder to admit your problems, you know, especially in
illness that's as misunderstood as anorexia.

Speaker 18 (54:36):
Yeah, definitely, And the whole exercise component of it is
probably more common with males. And that's maybe why I
slipped through the cracks at school and didn't get picked up.
And that's why I wrote the book to kind of
to raise awareness that guys can get it too, because
I think if it had been picked up sooner, it
would have been a lot easier to turn things around.

(54:57):
But yeah, it's yeah, it's strange to look back and
to think how bad things got, but I am grateful
for it in a way because it's kind of made
my mind such a nice place to be today.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yeah, that's interesting. What's the one thing that because you know,
everyone has their mental health struggles, but most of us
don't end up in a site cord, so you've seen,
you've seen how how intense it can get. So what's
the one thing that you think people misunderstand about mental health?
In your book, you call it mind health because because

(55:29):
you want to change change the discussion on it. But
what's the thing you think that people most misunderstand.

Speaker 18 (55:34):
I think the whole kind of misconception that that if
you've got a mental illness, maybe you're lazy, or you're
you're not fighting. For me, it was the opposite, you know.
It was because I was so disciplined and strong world
I didn't even allow myself to rest and I just
exercized all the time and didn't so I to use

(55:56):
that same well in a way to turn it around.
And for me, it was a switch in my mind
of instead of putting success as the priority the whole time,
it had to be happiness. And once I made that switch,
priority shifted and life just got a whole lot easier.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
Yeah, it's beautifully said. Is it an ongoing thing? You've
got that toolbox obviously that that you can utilize, And
I know there'll be a lot of people listening out
there that that it is an ongoing journey for them
to remain in that good mindset. Is that the same
for yourself?

Speaker 8 (56:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (56:28):
I think having gone through something like that at such
a young age as an advantage in a way, because
it's given me this whole toolbox of strategies and things
that I have in place that prevent me from ever
getting to that place again. And I'm quite confident that
it will never happen again. But yeah, it's an ongoing
thing for everyone. It's not like you can get this

(56:49):
really good level of happiness and mind health and that's it.
It's a constant work on and putting the things in
place in your kind of lifestyle to to be happy
and the best version of yourself that you can be.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Yeah, yeah, well, good on your mate. And it's it's
a harrowing story, but it's a fantastic story and it's
and you know, you've done such a good job putting
it together and putting down your thoughts in a way
that I personally just found explained explain things in a
way I've never really heard them explain before. So it's
a great book, Hungary to Be Happy by Harry Everall.

(57:23):
And we've got a couple of copies to give away.

Speaker 4 (57:24):
Yes, So if you want a copy of Harry's book,
he is generously donating a couple of copies. So all
you got to do is text your full name, email
address and a phone number and we'll get in touch
and make sure that a couple of copies of that
book will be coming your way. So nine to nine
till it is the text number, and.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Harry and I are having a bit of a chat
in hawks Bay on Sunday that you can come along to.
It's part of the Hawks Bay Readers and Writers' Festival.
It's on Sunday at twelve pm at Arts Inc. In
the right whack in the middle of Hastings and there's
still some tickets available for that, so I guess google

(58:03):
that Hawks Bay Readers and Writers and the Festival. We've
also got Sam the Trapman coming on who's also written
a fantastic book and he dealt with his mental health
issues by just heading out into the wilderness and killing
a lot of deer.

Speaker 5 (58:17):
Yeah yeah, good man, and.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
That absolutely worked for him. So it's called Healing and
Recovery at the hawks Bay Readers and Writers Festival on Sunday.
Come along and you can ask some questions of Harry.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
Yep, that's going to be a great event. Harry, you're
a great man. Thank you very much for coming in.
Congratulations on the book and go well with the event.
But really nice to see you.

Speaker 8 (58:37):
Thank you.

Speaker 18 (58:37):
Yeah, cheers for having me.

Speaker 4 (58:39):
That is Harry Everell. Please go check out his book.
It's called Hungry to Be Happy. Go buy it, give
it a read. And the audio book I.

Speaker 5 (58:45):
Think has just been released as well, right, yeah on Spotify. Yeah, yeah, lovely.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
It's a good read.

Speaker 18 (58:49):
Yeap.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
His mum comes in and does his mums, but mum's
a good like that. I haven't heard that in an
audio book before.

Speaker 4 (58:54):
Yeah, love it, Harry, you're a good man. We'll catch
up again soon as twenty nine pass too. We are
taking your stories as well, oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty as part of Mental Health Awareness Week.

Speaker 5 (59:06):
We're keen to hear from you.

Speaker 4 (59:07):
If you've gone through your own battles with mental health
and you've come out on the other side, give us
a buzz.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Yeah, how did you get out of that dark place?

Speaker 13 (59:15):
Wow?

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Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So what a great
conversation with an amazing young man, Harry Averell. And we
mentioned before Harry has generously offered up a couple of
copies of his book Hungry to be happy to give away.
And boy oh boy, we've had so many texts come through,
so we will pick a couple of winners. For that book,
but urge you to go and check it out. Hungry

(01:00:58):
to Be Happy by Harry Everell. Matt, you've read it
and it is a phenomenal story.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Yeah, it's greatton, it's great read and it's also a
great listen. So that there's allaly a book on Spotify
as well.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
Yep, great staff. Right, we are taking your calls on
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Of course we got here
Harry and tab A chat because it is Mental Health
Awareness Week and this is always a huge thing. It's
important that this week is promoted because it is a
big issue for a lot of kiwis out there that
ongoing jo need to take care of our own mental health.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Yeah, and you want to be able to climb out
of it, so we want to hear your stories. Eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've managed to climb
out of a terrible spot with your mental health and
back to back to the light, then we'd love to
hear from you, or if someone in your family or
a friend has been through it and how they got
out the other side. O. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty

(01:01:49):
is the number.

Speaker 5 (01:01:50):
Yep, really keen to hear your stories. It is twenty
five to three.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Guy, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 20 (01:01:57):
Yeah, good afternoon. I've already been liking to married Deeka.
I've suffered bipolar, the sort of a probably years now.
I'll give you a bit of a history. I was
twenty six when I failed union at Otargo because I
just drank booze and played rugby and I were really

(01:02:19):
the president and didn't get any counseling, didn't just drink
more blah blah blah blah. Later that year, I broke
my neck long story cuts short concussion head and drink
and stress does not go well. So made the breakdown
in Pari River for a couple of months, came out

(01:02:39):
of there, still wouldn't accept counseling or medication. I just
got really fits. About twenty years ago I was diagnosed
by polar went through the public system, which I must
say was good. And ten years ago I tried to
take my life. I took a serious overdose of medication

(01:03:04):
of anti the presants and lucky to live, and so
said us. She's been a battle, but medications important and
talking is important. You might have heard of a lady
called Jazz Thornton. Yes, she campaigned with me because of

(01:03:25):
my age. I'm sixty five now, not many me and
my aides are keen to come out and talk about
mental health. Is sissy still, you know? And my opinion
is Mike King, John Kern's okay to reach out. But
you can ask me a question if.

Speaker 10 (01:03:41):
You like that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:42):
Well, absolutely, guy, And I'm so glad you're still with
us and you've pushed her on the other side. So yeah,
after what happened ten years ago and then you realize
that talking does help and you've got the right medication.
So what did that journey to being able to talk
openly about what was going on with you?

Speaker 5 (01:04:00):
How did that look like? And who were you talking to?

Speaker 20 (01:04:03):
Okay? I was seeing a psychiatrist in the Adoda who
and the guy he was good that psychiatrists are not
a counselor. They just do the meds and which I
finally accepted taking medications. Ended up singing counselor at Dela
Cell College, quite a DICIL college in South Auckland. He

(01:04:26):
was fantastic. I had five councils. I went through it.
I could gail with this guy and he gave me
coping skills to get out of that peak dark Dungeon mhmm.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
And what what was What were the basic coping skills
that he gave you go.

Speaker 20 (01:04:42):
Well, things that I enjoyed, like walking. We all know
the benefits of exercise by groiche, And after that episode
I acigram five six half marathons and indorphins sort of thing.
But and then he was great, like things like walking,
what I enjoyed doing, going up for a coffee of friends,

(01:05:04):
maybe seeing a movie, going out in the boat. Just
things that you enjoy to give your spirits a bit
of a lift. Insteed of this staying at home within
four walls, which I've been very guilty of. When I
get low, I don't reach out still. Yeah, you know,
all my friends have known what I've been through the

(01:05:24):
last twenty years, and I think they must get sick
of it. But everyone's don't, of course. But just as
though when I'm low, I punish myself still, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Yeah, and yourself do you know? So do you know
when the when the lowness is coming on? And when
it is, do you find that that you can you
can fight back by doing more of the walking and
doing more of the you know, going out and spending
time with you, to your friends. Can you sort of
head it off? Is it coming across you?

Speaker 20 (01:05:57):
No, that's the interesting thing. Talked about having a low
before I ten to punish myself even more mean myself up.
You know, I might have spent some money or done
something stupid when I was on a high. No, I don't,
and I still don't when.

Speaker 18 (01:06:17):
I'm on a logos.

Speaker 20 (01:06:20):
You know, I've got this disorder and I accepted it's
just an illness in medication. I've tried mucking around with
that and that was very, very dangerous. So I'll never
give up meds. You know, people have said try medicinal marijuana,
but as Miss Chritis said, there's no vin no tests

(01:06:41):
on that. So so but yeah, eventually I get out
a thick, dark black onndon that I've done, and I've
caught it with a black dog hanging on. It's like,
as I've got to have a solution to an issue
which took me down, and I can go down overnight.
You know, I can be happy one day and then

(01:07:02):
by the morning, I just don't want to get out
of bed.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
When you when you're not in that state of mind, guy,
is that and I've sort of, you know, heard this
from people, and my own experience is that it's hard
to actually picture. It doesn't quite make sense when you're
out of it, but when you get that we get
down into that dark hole, it makes sense. It's hard
to equate the two mindsets totally.

Speaker 20 (01:07:29):
And I agree, and I feel so happy when I
first get out of that hole. Probably go a but
high and misle, you know, And that's where the medication
comes in to keep me on a steady platform, so
he's still.

Speaker 5 (01:07:44):
Able to do the running guy and those things get out.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
On the boat.

Speaker 10 (01:07:47):
Right.

Speaker 20 (01:07:49):
I saw a jet ski and a Harley, and I mustang.

Speaker 26 (01:07:51):
I think that's enough.

Speaker 5 (01:07:53):
Yeah, too right, too right.

Speaker 20 (01:07:54):
But I'm sixty five, mate, no more running. I still
love my running. I've moved to South Boy. It's a
lovely little village called Mangachino. I totally run an UK
and I'm moving down with lifestyle. I enjoyed of a
damn thing yet, but that the lifestyle change has helped too.

Speaker 27 (01:08:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:08:16):
I mean.

Speaker 20 (01:08:16):
I was twenty six years trucking with one firm in Auckland.
It was a great furma. I loved my job. Boss
was fantastic with my mental illness. But I just had
to felt like a change, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Yeah, I was just going to say sorry, I interrupted
you just saying you didn't want to spend your listens
your life, you go.

Speaker 20 (01:08:36):
Oh, I didn't want to spend the rest of my
dies in Auckland, to be honest. And I grew up
down this way south, like had I as a kid
in the sixties and fond memories and yeah, this little
settlement people care still and they rally around, you know.
But I had the shoulders certainly in February, and I

(01:08:58):
haven't really given much community service out. But the people
that came around with meals and chatting and coffee, you know,
it was like the old days used to get in
a community sort of.

Speaker 13 (01:09:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Yeah, well, I mean that's a huge part of it. Well, guy,
thank you so much for calling in man, and thanks
for sharing that.

Speaker 5 (01:09:19):
Yeah, I'm glad.

Speaker 4 (01:09:21):
It sounds like you've got some good people around you, guy.
And it sounds funny to say, but moving to the
White Cuttle and being around nature that does help a
lot of people and having that community as well, so well.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
Yeah, and it's amazing how basic things that almost seem
like cliches, like going for a walk and get in
touch with nature. If and it's hard because when people
are on these really in these black holes and they're
right down the bottom, it's hard to explain, but they
don't want to do anything at all. Yeah, but if
you can get out and do a walk and little

(01:09:54):
things that just give a little bit more light, so
you can just move a little bit further and fight
just a little bit more.

Speaker 4 (01:10:02):
So, Yeah, Nistly said, we are taking your calls on oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. You've had some mental
challenges or mental battles, we can you hear from you.
How did you get through on the other side, whether
it was anxiety, getting into a bit of a funk.
What do you do to keep your mental health up
during the tough times. It is seventeen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends
and everything in between.

Speaker 14 (01:10:27):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons excused talks.

Speaker 4 (01:10:30):
It'd be for a good afternoon. She has Mental Health
Awareness Week, so we're asking for your stories. If you've
gone through some mental health issues, a bit of funk,
how did you get through on the other side and
what helped you.

Speaker 5 (01:10:39):
Oh, one hundred and eighteen eighty. It's a number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Yeah, let's talk about how you climbed out of the
whole jury. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (01:10:47):
Yeah, Matt, how's the time, kid?

Speaker 13 (01:10:50):
A mate?

Speaker 5 (01:10:50):
Good?

Speaker 28 (01:10:52):
Yeah, it's funny.

Speaker 7 (01:10:53):
You got the crap.

Speaker 12 (01:10:56):
I have been probably a full year and it all started.
I'll reached the peak of my industry and I was like.

Speaker 17 (01:11:11):
Yeah, you know, I couldn't get any higher in the ladder.

Speaker 7 (01:11:13):
I thought that's what I wanted, and.

Speaker 20 (01:11:18):
And then.

Speaker 16 (01:11:20):
I realized.

Speaker 12 (01:11:22):
Very hard way, just.

Speaker 7 (01:11:24):
Trying to be the man at both ends, you know,
the man at home the man at work has its
massive burnout.

Speaker 12 (01:11:32):
I didn't see the sign.

Speaker 7 (01:11:34):
And it was started with shingles and then the singles,
just the brain fatigue and all that kind of crap,
and then that led onto the breakdown.

Speaker 10 (01:11:44):
And then.

Speaker 7 (01:11:46):
Normally over the years, pretty high functioning when it comes
to stress, is like, the more stress, the.

Speaker 10 (01:11:53):
More I.

Speaker 12 (01:11:56):
Performed, you know, I loved it, loved it, you know,
I mean, yes, feeds.

Speaker 7 (01:12:01):
Me the stress and I'll give you the mean results
kind of thing, you know. And then for this time
it didn't work, the work at all.

Speaker 24 (01:12:09):
And then I'm like a hour.

Speaker 7 (01:12:11):
What's going on?

Speaker 29 (01:12:12):
Man?

Speaker 17 (01:12:14):
And so.

Speaker 24 (01:12:16):
Full of chaos?

Speaker 9 (01:12:17):
Is the brain?

Speaker 7 (01:12:17):
I'm like, what's going on?

Speaker 24 (01:12:19):
Not even warming?

Speaker 30 (01:12:20):
And h came out of it with ADHD is what
I got diagnosed worth and it kind of all made
sense at the time, blamed twenty.

Speaker 7 (01:12:37):
Years, drugue, addiction, all sorts of crap, you know. And
then so I've been going to read this lately and uh, okay,
then there's the start of the yet and then so
h then lately my missus breaking up with me. She

(01:12:57):
couldn't handle the.

Speaker 24 (01:13:01):
Dealing with you know what I'm going through. So I'm
dealing with that kind of.

Speaker 7 (01:13:05):
Crap and I've just been reading it.

Speaker 12 (01:13:08):
Didn't is it a dope?

Speaker 7 (01:13:11):
I mean my addiction to dope for me, I'm just
always finding that sugar. Sugar is the first that I
go for, and then it's just something just something to
give that that that that has. And then last night
I had it like a little tephany because I live it, awten,

(01:13:31):
It's just a rat race that never gets for yourself,
never gets time to find myself or fix myself. I'm thinking, well,
do I just hop in the little escort, take some
time out and just literally.

Speaker 12 (01:13:49):
Take a hiatus from work and.

Speaker 24 (01:13:53):
Just go up somewhere.

Speaker 7 (01:13:56):
I just get pet out of this rat race and
get can get like the old mate before he said,
you know, just live in the nature and stuff and
you know, yeah, time to like just detached mind, just
out and fix yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
And you have you have people, you know, you've have
had professional help, You've you've reached out.

Speaker 24 (01:14:20):
You were saying, yeah, it's funny.

Speaker 7 (01:14:24):
At the start, I reached out to what they d
h B. Unfortunately I can't I had really good results
because they were fans of uh Chuck ad met that
it instead of like you know, like solving it and assume.
I mean, I'm all good with with one if you do.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
The other, but I'm not.

Speaker 7 (01:14:49):
I'm not happy with just Chucky met that. I think
that's folks.

Speaker 22 (01:14:55):
So uh And then they.

Speaker 7 (01:14:57):
Dropped me because I rips because well, they weren't really
going to come to the party on providing like ongoing
counseling or whatnot. And but I just wanted me to
take my meds. So I'm like, well, yeah, yeah, I'll
fill the pence of that one, you know.

Speaker 24 (01:15:16):
I mean, yeah, so I love it, love it.

Speaker 7 (01:15:20):
I've supported in that way just because I wouldn't take
their meds, do you know what I mean? I take
one of them, I'm not taking the whole body a
lot because I wanted to be a bloody zombie and
I need to work, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Yeah, well, Jerry, thank you, thank you too. Yeah, well
we'll think. Thank you so much for calling. And I
hope it goes well, you know, getting out and out
of Auckland and getting in touch with a bit of nature.
And it's something that happens to it to a lot
of people. You read it over and over again. They
hit the peak, and they think that when you hit
that peak of your career, that's going to solve all
your problems. But when you when you arrive there, you

(01:15:52):
realize that, you know, it's not I'm saying with you,
go there you are. Yeah, but the story repeated over
and over again. People think there's something down the track
when they achieve that everything's going to be okay, and
it isn't always.

Speaker 5 (01:16:05):
No, no, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
And good on you, Jerry.

Speaker 5 (01:16:08):
Keep doing those things that make you feel good. You're
a good man. It is eight minutes to three back
in a mow.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
talk ZB.

Speaker 5 (01:16:21):
Six to three.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
Hey, the best first point of contact is to visit
your GP. They can help assess what further support might
be needed. There are also some national helplines. If you
or someone you care about are in immediate physical danger
to themselves or others, call one one one. Of course.
More information see mentalhealth dot org, dot n Z slash

(01:16:42):
in crisis, need to talk free call or text one
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that's text one seven three seven or call one seven
three seven.

Speaker 4 (01:16:54):
There's also Lifeline, Oh eight hundred five four three three
five four. That's O eight hundred Lifeline, the suicide crisis
helpline that's five oh wait eight two eight eight six five.
Youth Line is eight hundred three seven sixty six double
three and one.

Speaker 14 (01:17:08):
What's up that?

Speaker 4 (01:17:09):
This is all free eight hundred and nine four to
eight seven eight seven or online chat from eleven am
to eleven pm Dave, Welcome to the show, mate.

Speaker 16 (01:17:20):
Hey guys, how are you? I guess a couple of
points and I'm sure people have probably reiterated this is
as depression lives in the past and anxiety lives in
the future. Yes, so the important aspect is to live
in the now, in the moment. And I guess one
way I've sort of helped when I've been in those

(01:17:41):
heightened situations where I've struggled with that is just connecting
with your five senses, so all your five senses touch, smell,
site and focusing on your breathing and that. What that does,
It just brings you back into yourself and allows you

(01:18:01):
to focus on actually the present. And often when you
do that, it allows you to think a bit more clear.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Yeah, Dave, that's very good advice. I mean, the past
isn't a realm that we exist in, yep, and so
beating yourself up of it. You can learn from the past,
but you can't even go back and change it. Yeah,
so yeah, you can't. You can just try not dwell it.
That's very good advice, Dave.

Speaker 5 (01:18:24):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
And you know we had Harry ever along before and
his book is Hungry to Be Happy. So that's a
fantastic book and it covers his struggle back from his
shocking situation and you can see Harry and I were
speaking in Hawksby at the Hawks Bay Writers and Readers
Festival on Sunday at twelve pm.

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
That will be a great event, yep, so get down
for that if you're in the area right. Thank you
very much for all the text and phone calls on
that one. It is, of course mental Health Awareness Week
coming up. After three o'clock, it is time for New
Zealander of the Week.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Who will it be?

Speaker 14 (01:19:01):
Your new home?

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
Are instateful and entertaining talk? It's Mattie and Taylor Adams
afternoons on you.

Speaker 4 (01:19:08):
Talk, sib very good halfternoon C seven pass three. The
reason I've got a bit of a jaunty giggle in
my voices, matt you're a very happy man.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Well look, if you do you follow, if you follow
baseball and you care about what's happening and you're going
to planning to watch it and replay, then then don't.

Speaker 4 (01:19:27):
Get blocks right now, the radio off, But all right,
let's go Dodger.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
Los Angeles Dodgers beat the Phillies in one of the
most intense playoff games you'll ever see, bottom of the
eleventh and they progress to the National League Championship Series.

Speaker 9 (01:19:51):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
Good seven of those games and then it's the World series,
and of course the the reigning world champions, my beloved
Los Angeles Dodgers.

Speaker 11 (01:19:57):
Let's go.

Speaker 4 (01:19:58):
I could hear the celebrations as you were watching their men? Americans?
They celebrate, well, don't they? That was some beautiful commentary.
And could hear the screaming and yelling joy, pure joy?

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
Well, and can we just now stop the unprofessionalism that's
been happening on the show with certain members of the crew.

Speaker 5 (01:20:15):
No, we're not going to name names here.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
No names, but doing a radio show where they're watching
baseball at the same.

Speaker 4 (01:20:19):
Time, unprofessional, huge amount of professional all right, So we're
going to get our a MTG for this one. This
is going to be a good chat. Actually, so the
European Union, they're doing some good work on many different things,
and many would argue this is great work and you
vote in. European Parliament could ban plant based foods from
using MEATI terms like steak, burger or sausage, even if

(01:20:41):
they've been vegan staples for year. It's a move pitched
at protecting farmers and food traditions, but critics call it
a cultural war on your plate.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
Look, it's stolen. The valor is what it is. You
are stealing. You know that the sausage roll has done
a lot of hard work as the sausage role to
make people love it over many many years. It's done
so much good staff at birthday party and events, at charities,

(01:21:11):
at rugby clubs. It's done so much over the years,
the sausage roll. And for you to just slim in
there with your nut roll or your tofu humiliator or
your lentil based whatever and call yourself a sausage role
when you haven't done the hard yards over the years,
this absolute corruption of the worst kind. Sure, eat whatever

(01:21:32):
you want, but if it's not got a sausage in it,
then it's not a sausage roll. It's a nut roll,
it's a Lentil roll, it's a tofu humiliator.

Speaker 11 (01:21:41):
That's what it is.

Speaker 4 (01:21:41):
You can see there's some trauma and Matt's pass when
it comes to the stolen valor of meat products.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
You saw it happened to me out there, Tyler, Yeah
I did. There was some sausage rolls on and I
skipped out there or happy with a big smile on
my face. I was so excited. Dip it into the sauce,
take a bite and it's not a sausage roll, it's
some kind of vegetable atrocity.

Speaker 5 (01:22:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:22:03):
Right, that was heartbreaking for everyone. I mean, you're a
little boy that could believe and then your heart was broken.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
And look, I'm into trying new things. For example, what
was that fantastic cafe we were talking about sausage rolls before?

Speaker 4 (01:22:13):
Oh the great Rob and Penny. They've got their coffee
shop coffee theory just below us. So they heard that
you had a lot of trauma in your past about
sausage roll so they delivered a full meat, beautiful sausage roll,
but a spice.

Speaker 14 (01:22:26):
It was a.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
Gourmet sausage roll.

Speaker 5 (01:22:29):
That's justice.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
It's absolutely brilliant. I'm not against trying new things, but
just call something what it is and it's not milk
if it doesn't come out of nipples.

Speaker 5 (01:22:36):
Okay, yep.

Speaker 4 (01:22:37):
It sounds logical, right, it sounds very logical. But what
do you say, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty, have
they gone too far, these vegans and the vegan products
by claiming that there's somehow meat involved or milk involved
or is it fair?

Speaker 5 (01:22:50):
Cop? And you're a vegan and you love it because
you kind of know what you're going to get.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It's already heating up
on the phones and in the text.

Speaker 5 (01:22:58):
This is going to be good. But right now it
is eleven past three.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Every Friday on Matt and Tyler Afternoons on the Mighty
News Talk ZB we honor someone with the coveted New
Zealand of the Week, in honor that we bestow on
your behalf to a newsmaker who's had an outsized effect
on our great and beautiful nation over the previous seven days.
As always, there'll be two runners up, but only one winner.

(01:23:22):
But who will the big winner be? Without further passing around,
this is the mad Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons New
Zealander of the Week. Our second runner up gets the
Honest Day's Work for an Honest Day's Pay Award. This
week MP Ginny Anderson turned a nose up at a

(01:23:44):
classic Kiwi job and the area it's done.

Speaker 31 (01:23:46):
And you've got to Prome Minister, who's telling them to
go to Dargaville and dig up a kumra And that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:23:52):
You know, they need some real.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
Problem and that's the problem with your view of the
world is it. We're to come on, Ginny Duggers is
all right and if you have to move from your
home you want to work. That is a very honorable
thing to do. Kumarra Diggers of Darga Ball, you are
second runner up for New Zealander of the Week. The

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first runner up also gets the what a Good Doggie
Award or what a Good Doggie. We can all have
our say, but we got to keep people's homes and
families out of it. When we say families, we also
mean politicians. Dogs for taking glass to your eyes when
your home was attacked by an angry man with the crowbar.

(01:24:38):
Winston Peter's dog Kobe.

Speaker 5 (01:24:41):
You are a good doggie and you are first runner
up for.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
New Zealander of the Week, and Kobe, for whatever reason,
this Afternoon's winner cannot perform their duties as New Zealander
of the Week. You'll be asked to step up for
any public appearances, but there can be only one New
Zealander of the Week and the winner also gets the
True Blue Hero Awards, the Star of the.

Speaker 31 (01:25:08):
Beat and on TV, anyone who meant you would attest
your stature and great manna between your thirty three years
in the force and your immensely popular run on Police
ten to seven. You rounded up more criminal scum than
anyone in the history of our great country.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
This week you passed away at seventy eight, and you'll
be missed by your wife for fifty seven years, your
three kids, and nearly everyone else in the country. Detective
Inspector Graham Bell retired. You are the Matt and Tyler
Afternoons New Zealander of the week. Take it away, Howie Morrison.

Speaker 3 (01:26:12):
We're looking for your health to.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
Find a group of murderous thugs.

Speaker 27 (01:26:16):
Two young creeps, a half with a gun, a fault
beard and a turban, a mindless low life, two vicious morons,
two armed and violent mongrels, three stooges, three desperate and
wild eyed dustlust goons, two fat woman and a man
with a gun. And this scruffy little thug, this little
gem lunatic scumbag with a steak knife.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
I'll be looking for more help from you later on.

Speaker 14 (01:26:41):
News Talks'd be very good.

Speaker 4 (01:26:43):
Afternoon seventeen past three. So a new vote in the
European Parliament could ban vegan foods from using meaty terms
like steak, burger or sausage or even milk. What do
you say is that a good idea? Should we bring
something like that into good old New Zealand?

Speaker 11 (01:26:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Why aren't we doing that in New Zealand? Why is
this not even on the on the table here? Because
you know we're a country that depends hugely on our
primary sector. Yeah, so you know, if someone is trying
to make plant based humiliators and sneak it through and
disrupt our economy, then we need to stop it. It
needs to be you know, you eat what you want.
You eat whatever you bloomin well want. But it's not

(01:27:18):
a sausage roll if it doesn't have sausage in it, right, Yeah, yeah,
music to my ears. I make a point of ordering
my wife's coffee via its proper name, a soy juice cappuccino.
Show me a soy bean with nipples and I'll change
my ways. That's from Dave.

Speaker 5 (01:27:33):
That does sound horrible, soy juice cappuccino.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
What's that? We need to find? The line from Meat
the Parents, what is it? You can milk anything with nipples,
So I've got nipples. Matt, welcome to the show.

Speaker 17 (01:27:51):
Hey here you guys, fellos, Very good show. Me an
almond that has boobies exactly. Yeah, got milk, Yeah, it's
almond juice.

Speaker 5 (01:28:04):
The challenges on if you want to see through and
almond with nipples, we're here for it. We will wait
by r.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
If you find un armored with nipples, don't eat it.

Speaker 5 (01:28:13):
It's probably not.

Speaker 11 (01:28:14):
An arm it's not milk.

Speaker 10 (01:28:18):
Oats.

Speaker 17 (01:28:19):
Show me in the oat with a nipple.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
Yeah, And so that's fine, have what you want in
your coffee.

Speaker 17 (01:28:25):
I gotta say, I was like, like, when I run through,
I was really angry, and now I've thought about it.
Sausage is a shape, so technically they can call it
a sausage, but I think the supermarkets are in the
wrong by putting it in the meat section. They have
these pennies that look like meat petties, fugar petties. They're

(01:28:46):
the ones mist leaning us peck and save. You need
to put those in the vichy section.

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
Not the meaning tell you might have you might have
stumbled on a problem with my logic. This is a
massive curveball. If sausage is a shape, research on.

Speaker 5 (01:29:00):
The origins of the word sausage. But you might have
something Because as much as I'm.

Speaker 17 (01:29:05):
I can't stand veganism. I can't stand each to their
own sausage as a shape.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
Well, what I find really what I find really interesting.
Speaking of shapes as producer, Andrew showed me some pictures before.
If you can buy a whole goose, you can find
buy a whole vegan goose, and it's a shape of
a geese, the shape of a goose. If you're a vegetarian,
what do you need to eat a goose? Just eat
whatever humiliating loaf of crap you're eating.

Speaker 20 (01:29:32):
What does it need to be?

Speaker 17 (01:29:35):
Why do you have to have food as a shape
of meat? If you're a vegan or a vegetian, eat
something that looks like a vegetable. Don't try and make
it look like meat. Yeahs huge, secretly secretly meat.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
Yeah yeah, some of them not not bacon bacon, right,
Just just if you want to slither of something that
that in your sandwich and you but you don't want
to have meat, then just give it another name.

Speaker 11 (01:30:02):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
It's just a jack fruit?

Speaker 5 (01:30:04):
Jackfruit?

Speaker 4 (01:30:05):
They often you know that's the fake bacon. But you're
quite right if you go pack up the jack fruit bacon.
What is there a picture of on the front there's
a little pig there, little pig there on your face.

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:30:15):
And I tell you I went to Peck and Saved
the other day and I was in the sellad section
with a hell of the croutons and stuff, and there
was a pecket that says bacon bits. I bought it.
I got it home and I there's no bacon in there.
It's fake. It's not even bacon. But why are they
even allowed to call it that? I was so depressed
hanging out for bacon. I go try and find a pig.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
Just took a bite out of a pig. Pig walks
past you, take a bite out of it. This happens
in my fridge all the time at home. I'll open
it like a little susteamer box and I see some
chicken in it. Yeah, and I go, oh, what put
a chicken? And then it's Tracy's punishing vegan fake chicken. Yeah,
it's entrapman doors or something. It is pure deceptions. Some

(01:31:02):
pushback coming here, though, Matt and Tyler. Sounds like you've
got some solid insecurities and a feeling threat that the
plant based revolution is coming. Being plant based is not
only proven to be better for your health. But the
environment question is will you start on coconut milk and
peanut butter.

Speaker 24 (01:31:18):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
See, the thing is that these Frankensteinian monster creations to
try and imitate meat aren't better for your health and
they're not better for the environment. Look just eating a
piece of broccoli, maybe you could argue that, but by
the time they have you just look at the back
of one of these vegan sausages or one of these monstrosities.

(01:31:41):
You look at the back of the vegan goose. Thousands
and thousands of ingredients sourced from multiple, multiple levels, and
so highly processed. The argument that those things are better
for you and better for the environment has just been
totally and utterly proven wrong. But that's not to say
there's anything wrong with being vegan. Eat whatever you wants.

(01:32:03):
Are great, I love plants.

Speaker 15 (01:32:04):
You go for it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
But if it hasn't come out of a nipple, it's
not milk.

Speaker 4 (01:32:08):
And coconut milk that is exhibit number you know, Exhibit
A in a minute, coconut milk. No, you can't call
that milk because again, on your logic, a coconut does
not have nipples, you cannot call it milk.

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
Yeah, I know, but I was just in Fiji and
I remember ordering the delicious coconut milk. The coconut is
the most amazing thing in the worlk.

Speaker 4 (01:32:28):
It's a slightly heavy coconut water. Because I know that's different.
That's where you get into trouble. There is such a
thing as coconut water, which is different to so called
coconut milk. But it's not it's not milk. It's just
pulverized bits of coconut that make it look a bit creamy,
isn't it.

Speaker 31 (01:32:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
Right, But I won't hear a bad word about a coconut.
You're not the top off that you put a bit
of rum in there, and you're sitting in Fiji staring
at the ocean. I won't hear a bad word about that.

Speaker 4 (01:32:51):
Apparently Andrew, Andrew just taps through and avocado has a
nipple right at the top, but just one nipple. So
I think you have to have a pair of nipples
to be able to Oh, it's a trimmed stalk a.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
Yeah, that's not a nipple.

Speaker 4 (01:33:03):
Okay, none of these, no of these curveballs, please, there's
twenty three pus three.

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on used talk ZB, very.

Speaker 4 (01:33:17):
Good afternoon to you. The text machine has absolutely exploded
over this. There's a lot of angry texts coming through,
but there's also a lot of positive texts coming through.

Speaker 9 (01:33:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
I thought I'd been stymied on my logic that a
sausage roll cannot be called a sausage roll if it's
made out of lentils or tofu or or what other
humiliating nuts or something. Yeah, but because a callers said
that the sausage is a shape, and I took him
on face value, but about a thousand people have text

(01:33:45):
through things. Sausage isn't named after a shape. The sausage
shape is named after the shape of a sausage. Okay, right, Yeah,
I think you're right. I think you're right, Rob Rober,
because a lot of people are saying that, so I
lock up sausage. I freaked out there. Sausage, according to
the Oxford English Dictionary, an item of food in the
form of a cylindrical length of minced pork or other
meat and caste in a skin, typically sold raw to

(01:34:08):
be grilled or fried before eating. That's definition one and
definition two used as an affectionate form of address, especially
to a child.

Speaker 22 (01:34:16):
Good.

Speaker 5 (01:34:16):
So your logic still stands.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
The only two things that a sausage can be is
a cylindrical length food made of minced pork or other meat,
or a child. Okay, those are the only things.

Speaker 5 (01:34:27):
One is very delicious.

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
Yeah, and you don't want to be eating children like
bad Jelly the Witch.

Speaker 5 (01:34:32):
No, you certainly don't.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
Michael Wagon the show.

Speaker 24 (01:34:36):
Hi, how are you YouTube? The funniest thing? Simon?

Speaker 5 (01:34:39):
Oh, thank you.

Speaker 24 (01:34:41):
I'm enjoying those things to you guys. Now I have
a sausage roll story. We've just sold our cafe which
is considered a New Zealand iconic cafe and.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
Compass Coffee ce Combs Coffee CEV.

Speaker 24 (01:34:57):
This was the only cafe New Zealand that you can
actually has been designed and built for boats to come
up to nice anyway, we have lots of boats come
up for our sausage rolls. We call Michael's Secret sausage
roll So Risbee I came up with nine years ago.
And nextly, when you sell a business here that you

(01:35:18):
like to do stats well I do anyway, And we
have sold the equivalent in nine years, twenty seven point
eight kilometers a sausage roll.

Speaker 5 (01:35:29):
That is a great stant twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 24 (01:35:33):
So what that does? That goes from if you lay
them end to end, that goes from Cebum Marina on
the Lower Heart down along Port Road out to along
for Tony along the motorway and then down to Oriental
Parade and just around the corner.

Speaker 4 (01:35:51):
How often have you driven that route, Michael, and and
just thought we've sold this many sausage rolls.

Speaker 24 (01:35:57):
Well I'm about I'm about to over the weekend because
that was my miss bone.

Speaker 11 (01:36:02):
But you know, we.

Speaker 24 (01:36:05):
We we get vegans come in. We don't do a
vegan sausage roll. In fact, we don't do any vegan
fat products. Well you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:36:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:36:16):
Sometimes you know they come in and say, oh can
I have a soy milk or an almond milk? Cafe
you coffee? And we say to them, you want coffee
with crushed nuts?

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
Yeah, yes, yeah, I mean that's and that's fine. You
can have what you want, but that's what you're ordering.
It's not almond milk, it's not oat milk. It's it's
a different thing.

Speaker 4 (01:36:38):
It's induce a best Yeah, food honesty.

Speaker 17 (01:36:41):
That's right.

Speaker 24 (01:36:42):
Absolutely, Now, you know, I think I think we're on
the right path. And in the plagiarism of of of
of sausage rolls trying to pass it off as vegan
food or vegan food, I've been trying to pass off
as real food. So I can say all this now

(01:37:02):
that we've just sold the cafe.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
I'm just I'm just looking at I'm looking at the
Compass Cafe. Oh my god, what a fantastic spot. Incredible
it is.

Speaker 24 (01:37:13):
And believe it, a lot people come just for our
sized roles.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
Yeah of them. Yeah, I'll tell you what I what
I would have liked to have tried is your jacket potatoes.
I'm a huge fan of a jacket potato. I'm just
looking at the media.

Speaker 24 (01:37:28):
Yeah, well, maybe the new owners might put that on
the menu.

Speaker 2 (01:37:32):
Yeah. What am I looking at here? If it's not
what is it?

Speaker 24 (01:37:37):
Believe it a lot that they're photo Yeah, because you've
obviously looked at our Facebook.

Speaker 5 (01:37:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:37:44):
I catered for a food production company, big food production company.
Last week. They had nine of their senior management there
and four of them are vegans.

Speaker 5 (01:37:57):
Rock right, Okay, that is tough, all right?

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
So ironically, what I'm looking at there is actually vegan.
Hang it up.

Speaker 24 (01:38:08):
Yeah, they also requested the sausage rolls from the con vegans.

Speaker 5 (01:38:13):
Just quickly, Michael.

Speaker 4 (01:38:14):
So you mentioned your your secret sausage role as you
called it, and it took you nine years to develop
that recipe. Did you take that with you when you
sold the cafe or have they still got it?

Speaker 18 (01:38:24):
No?

Speaker 24 (01:38:24):
No, I sold everything with the cafe and they kept
asking for a written recipe and I said, no, I
haven't written that down.

Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
You're like Ketle Sanders, That's what I say, picking his
chicken and soil.

Speaker 24 (01:38:39):
You put the cochin on it and it becomes Kentucky
Fried chicken. And that's exactly the same with our sausage roll.
A sausage role as a sausage roll, whether it be
pork people or whatever, but that's what goes on it,
which makes it the famous secret sausage roll.

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
Well, good on you, Michael. Congratulations for your for your
time at your at the Compass Cafe, and congratulations on
selling twenty seven point eight kilometers of real deal, legitimate
special sausage rolls. That's awesome. But look, this is Facebook.
Stalking can get things wrong. So on Facebook stalking looking
up the place. Yep, I see some jacket potatoes. I'm like,

(01:39:17):
I'd love to try those. Look good, he says, no, no,
we don't sell those. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:39:20):
And also the vegana.

Speaker 2 (01:39:22):
You get things very wrong on Facebook.

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Speaker 4 (01:40:53):
Thank you very much, ray Lean. So we're talking about
a new vote in the European Parliament. They want to
ban plant based foods from using the terms MEETI or
using meati terms I should say like steak, burger or sausage,
and terms like milk when the products are aren't actually
any of those things.

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
A few people that are texting through because I've said
you shouldn't call it a sausage roll. If it's not
a meat sausage roll, it's stolen valor yeah, but am
I okay with a dog being called a sausage dog?

Speaker 5 (01:41:20):
Well, they are made of meat, that's true, so you know,
the logic still stands.

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
Someone is this true? Someone says that a sausage is
not a shape, it's named after the ingredients sour and sage.

Speaker 4 (01:41:31):
Ah, it wouldn't make makes sense pag and flavoring because
sausage started off with porked, porked mince, mince pork.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
Well, yeah, I mean most places it's pork. I mean
I prefer a traditional Kiwi beef sausage myself.

Speaker 4 (01:41:45):
Controversial really well to anyone listening from the UK, they'll
be horrified to hear there. Yeah, I don't think they
sell beef sausages over there, don't they. No, they're kind
of being choked out of the country.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
And even though they invented bangers and mash, which is
one of my favorite meals for me, it needs to
be a very boring traditional sausage on the bangs and
mats for it to be the full comfort food that
I require.

Speaker 5 (01:42:05):
How would you feel about a chicken sausage.

Speaker 2 (01:42:06):
I'm not a fan of chicken sausage. I get when
you we're on a plane why they always have chicken
sausages on plane rather than proper sages. Welcome to the show, Cherry.

Speaker 9 (01:42:15):
Hello.

Speaker 29 (01:42:16):
I wonder if you guys have heard of an American
comedian called James Gregory.

Speaker 2 (01:42:23):
James Gregory I.

Speaker 29 (01:42:25):
Have not, Okay, he died last year. He was from Georgia,
and he has so many absolutely hilarious skits about what
you're talking about. He pokes terrible son at sensitives nails
who eat a banana and a muffin for breakfast. He

(01:42:46):
blames everything that's everything that's wrong in America. He blamed
on the fact that they've given up grief. He was
raised on fried chicken. He makes fun of people who
don't eat proper butter. He talks about butter, butter spray

(01:43:08):
and sears. His tongue line is that he's born in
any parents, so as their daughter comes home with a
male that has but a butter spray, then there won't
be any grandchildren. He is well worth listening to because
he has one skip where he says he doesn't make

(01:43:31):
fun as politics or sex. They're all just sort of
real Georgian humor about stuffing as much bacon and pork
as you can and chicken and gravy. And as I said,
the whole problem with America is that they've given up

(01:43:53):
eating Greef.

Speaker 2 (01:43:54):
They're still eating a lot of something because last time
WHI was over, there was a few rotund individuals walking around.
What about lard? My dad used to have lard on toast,
and is that still something that a lot of people
are doing. He was a huge fan of ard, lard, sandwiches,
lard everywhere, just spreading it around.

Speaker 29 (01:44:14):
I don't know, but I really recommend that to look
up the late James Greek Grief well.

Speaker 2 (01:44:19):
Will absolutely well cheery. I've just looked him up here.
I'll give him a listen after the show. Thank you
so much.

Speaker 5 (01:44:25):
It's a good point you make about lud though, Can
you still buy it?

Speaker 4 (01:44:27):
Because I remember the old man using lard to cook
up chips and you'd have like deep fried and lard,
and yeah, they were good, they were so beasty.

Speaker 2 (01:44:35):
Beef tallow, Yeah, cooking things up and beef tallow is incredibly,
incredibly good for you, incredibly good for you. My dad
used to have one of his favorite meals in the weekend,
a couple of bits of white death bread. Yep, lard
and tongue with the jelly.

Speaker 5 (01:44:51):
That's got to be good for you.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
Yeah, the tongue and the tongue jelly beautiful.

Speaker 5 (01:44:56):
That sounds it right. Eighty is the number to cool.

Speaker 4 (01:45:00):
What do you think about the EU looking to ban
vegan products from using the terms like sausage, burger or milk?

Speaker 2 (01:45:07):
A Larda's back. There's trendy looking packs of it at
the soupermarket.

Speaker 5 (01:45:11):
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Speaker 1 (01:45:14):
Back in a month, Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your
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Speaker 14 (01:45:20):
It's mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons.

Speaker 5 (01:45:23):
News Talk said, be very good afternoon, cheu. It is
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Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
So this text says Shall says, I've stopped eating meat
other than seafood for health reasons, and I would never
consider eating any of that chemical laden pretend meat. If
the family is having a steak and I don't feel
like fish that night, I'll have a big, old seasoned
and fried portobello mushroom of a huge supporter of frying

(01:45:48):
up a portabello mushroom delicious. Plenty of butter, yeah, plenty
of butter. But you don't call it a mushroom steak
like some people do, because it's not no need to
eat that other mark. I'm still going to call plant
based milk milk though, as per the ver milk, which
means to extract liquid by squeezing or pressing.

Speaker 4 (01:46:04):
Interesting, is that right? We take a lot by face value,
and take that by face.

Speaker 2 (01:46:09):
Then how come it's coconut milk because you just hacked
the top off a coconut and drink straight out of it?

Speaker 9 (01:46:14):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:46:16):
Yeah? I mean I might be wrong here. Someone see
us saying, please stop saying nipple. Call them teats. They're
not nipples, they're teats. Please stop saying nipple.

Speaker 4 (01:46:23):
I don't know if that's any better if we start
calling them teats, is that better than nipple?

Speaker 2 (01:46:28):
Actually? Tell you what this text is bad. It's backfired
terribly for this person that didn't want me to say nipple.
Because what I'm trying to work out between teeth and nipple,
I think I'll probably said nipple ten times.

Speaker 4 (01:46:39):
It's a great word, though, Nipple, Yeah, we can use
it interchangeably. We'll say teat and nipple at the same time.
I eight one hundred and eighty ten eighties number calls.

Speaker 2 (01:46:47):
Hi, boys, US dairy farmers can't help ourselves when we're
staying in a hotel to move the juice tag labels
on hotel baffet breakfast in front of the non dairy
selection milk options is Katrina, Yeah, I love that. Thank
you so much for your text and calls. Mark, welcome
to the show. You want to talk about vegetarians?

Speaker 28 (01:47:06):
Hey, Hore's were.

Speaker 10 (01:47:06):
Going, Kim.

Speaker 28 (01:47:07):
Hey, I've got to say I do love a number
of vegetarian and vegan foods, but at the end of
the day, you've got to read the ingredient list, and
a lot of these vegan foods, in particular, their ingredient
list has got some scary stuff on them. And one
of the things they really don't mention is the oxalate

(01:47:28):
content of these food so and in particular the amount
of saw as well. So oxalates are scary because they
build up in your system over time, and in front
of two spinach leaves gives you the same amount of
oxcellants as you need for a week. So and I
used to bringe on spinach rest cabinet smoothies and virtually

(01:47:53):
every male and everything else. But then both my wife
and I got an autoimmune condition and it actually you
can trace those directly back to oxcellants.

Speaker 2 (01:48:04):
Wow, you got be very wow.

Speaker 28 (01:48:06):
I mean at a core or I'm not a vegetarian
or a vegan. I'm a vaginitarian.

Speaker 5 (01:48:12):
Okay, A fair enough to there's a few of those
out there. And good on you.

Speaker 2 (01:48:17):
Well you look you enjoy yourself exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:48:20):
Yep, no one's going to judge that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:21):
And yeah, I order from Mark's o' cour Mark's old
Cool was just leading up to that.

Speaker 5 (01:48:28):
That was nicely flaid.

Speaker 2 (01:48:29):
That was a great trojan shocking.

Speaker 5 (01:48:31):
Yeah, very shocking.

Speaker 2 (01:48:32):
Hey, never been more shocked to. We'll go back to
a call shortly.

Speaker 4 (01:48:35):
But someone mentioned before the origin of the word sausage
apparently was sour in sage. I've actually looked up the
etomology of the word sausage.

Speaker 2 (01:48:43):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:48:44):
Surprising, but we'll get to that very soon.

Speaker 2 (01:48:46):
And some are saying, was it loud or dripping that
that my dad had on his bread? Actually I think
it might have been dripping. What's the difference. Why am
I calling it lud tripping? Maybe it was both. Sometimes
it was called dripping, sometimes it was called lard.

Speaker 5 (01:48:58):
Good question. Oh, Wayne has a bit of a theory
on milk. Yeah, we'll go to Wayne.

Speaker 2 (01:49:05):
Yep, all right, Wayne, welcome to the show.

Speaker 25 (01:49:06):
How are you.

Speaker 13 (01:49:08):
Oh boys, it's not a theory, it's fact.

Speaker 3 (01:49:12):
Not all mill comes out of a nipple or teat. Okay,
there are two animals. There are two mammals, the platypus
and an kidnap that both excreete the milk from their
memory glens through their skin and the animals and their
kids lick it up.

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
Yeah, how crazy is the platypus. Everything is crazy with
the platypus because of course they're laying eggs as well,
aren't they.

Speaker 3 (01:49:34):
Yeah, yeah, it's one hundred and sixty million years or
something back.

Speaker 16 (01:49:39):
But anyway, I just thought it was that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:42):
Now that's good, good, thanks thanks for that way. But
and also platypus has venom as well. They're the insane.
When when they first took the platypus back to London
and took it in front of whatever, the Great Naturalists Society,
they thought that the platypus was a fake, that someone
had put it together, because it's got the duck bill,
it was feeding its young, it was laying eggs, It

(01:50:04):
shouldn't exist, but it does.

Speaker 5 (01:50:06):
Yeah, it's greedy on the evil scale. It's got it all.

Speaker 2 (01:50:09):
Have you ever had any platypus milk, Wain, No, it's like, yeah,
be interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:50:16):
Never say never.

Speaker 10 (01:50:16):
Wait.

Speaker 9 (01:50:18):
Ye.

Speaker 13 (01:50:18):
The other thing to think about is that more and
more in society you find that there's a distinction between
almost like you call dairy milk, you know, milk from
and from mammals, and then the plant milk.

Speaker 16 (01:50:29):
Yeah, that's almost been separate category.

Speaker 2 (01:50:31):
But yeah, thanks so much for.

Speaker 24 (01:50:33):
That, Wain.

Speaker 5 (01:50:34):
Very good.

Speaker 4 (01:50:35):
Now just quickly back to the sausage etomology. So the
word sausage was first used in English in the mid
fifteenth century spouled sausage, almost sounding like an American there.
The word came from Old North French, so sish, and
the French word came from the vulgar Latin sull seeker.

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
So it's describing a male downstairs.

Speaker 5 (01:50:59):
I guess it was the vulgar Latin sala seeker. So
the Latins used it as a dirty word.

Speaker 4 (01:51:04):
The French took it on, probably with some connotation there,
and now now we are still using somees.

Speaker 2 (01:51:10):
The whole thing's been a double n tendra from the
start exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:51:14):
That is that is great work.

Speaker 2 (01:51:15):
People have been immature for a very long time.

Speaker 5 (01:51:17):
Very very dirty. It is eleven minutes to fall back
in a moment, the big.

Speaker 1 (01:51:22):
Stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything in between.
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons used talk.

Speaker 9 (01:51:29):
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Speaker 5 (01:51:31):
News Talks.

Speaker 4 (01:51:32):
The beasts have been talking about the EU wanting to
bam plants plant based foods rather from using meaty terms.

Speaker 5 (01:51:38):
Should we do the same year how this.

Speaker 2 (01:51:40):
Text says talk about primary school schoolboy humber boys. I
think that's unfair. I didn't even read out this, this
joke that someone's sent through here around a platypus. If
I was, if I was a mature I would have
I would have read that joke out.

Speaker 4 (01:51:52):
But it's a hell of a joke as well. I've
got to say I had a great laugh at that one.

Speaker 2 (01:51:55):
I've just left it sitting there. Can probably work it
out yourself, but I've left it sitting there. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:51:59):
Good.

Speaker 4 (01:51:59):
See that is that is maturity right there. Oh eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call Roy.

Speaker 2 (01:52:05):
Welcome to the show, guys.

Speaker 32 (01:52:08):
Three points here quick once. Okay, first, as your jacket potato.
Does it come with a tie? It does come with
the type.

Speaker 2 (01:52:16):
It does come with the tie.

Speaker 32 (01:52:18):
I don't know the jacket potato.

Speaker 24 (01:52:21):
I had to have a tie with it.

Speaker 5 (01:52:22):
Point maybe some couplings, Yeah, yeah, of course.

Speaker 32 (01:52:27):
Yeah, it's the secerent thing. Is I really hate to
disappoint you, guys. I am going to disappoint you, and
you're going to be upset. Help because I might have to.
We'll don't look at reality here. Yeah, okay, the sausage
role that we buy, every sausage role that we buy,
they basically just deceived bread, herbs and some meat. So

(01:52:52):
it's not even sausage roll okay, because it hasn't actually
got bully met in a sausage role.

Speaker 2 (01:52:58):
Should Yeah, there's some there's some rules in New Zealand
about what percentage meat a sausage has to be, isn't there?
I know, and I know when you're in the UK
there's way more. There's way more bread and sausages than
we have here. I believe it's right.

Speaker 32 (01:53:11):
Well, no, we need love read now sausage okay.

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
Now.

Speaker 6 (01:53:14):
The third point is a sausage is normally there's normally meat, right,
and it's normally low grade me which is put into
a skin which comes from peg or a sheep or
something like that.

Speaker 32 (01:53:29):
Sometimes that's sausage, yeah yeah, okay, And and a roll
there's a piece of bread's normally quite long. You can't
be understand, and you put the sausage in. So once
you do that, what you get, okay, you get a
hot Okay. So a sausage role is actually a hot dog.

Speaker 2 (01:53:51):
M Well, I don't know about that, Roy, because I
know where the hot dog came from because I've read
the history of it recently, So that came from Bratwurst sausages, right.
And then they started serving them at at events and
at and actually I think it was on peers in
America and to slag them off because they were causing

(01:54:13):
trouble because people got so excited about this new food
that there was just basically a German sausages yeah bread.
And they started serving them in the States, and people
and bad types and you started hanging around these because
they were so just so they started getting slagged off
in the papers. I think it was the New York
Times that first called them a hot dog to try

(01:54:34):
and slag them off, right, to say, ah, these horrible
undesirables eating their hot dogs, and immediately people in hot
dogs and started calling them hot dogs. So it was
a slur against the food that that that then got
taken on board and that's where we get the hot
dogs today. That's that's because they were accusing them of
being full of dog meat.

Speaker 4 (01:54:53):
And I love her story. Those little facts that make
the show what it is. I've got to say, yeah,
that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:54:59):
But that brings us to the end of the show,
whatever it is, it is over and thank you so
much for listening everyone. I love the chat today. It's
been It's been a great old time, hasn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:55:08):
Time certainly has.

Speaker 4 (01:55:09):
And we love your call so much that we pick
a caller of the week each week, and this week
we were talking about this British startup called Standard Toilets,
designed to toilet seat sloped forward about thirty degrees to
make it uncomfortable to set. More than five minutes went
off that shed and we had a call from Junior,
Junior who had just had a meeting with his bosses
on a new booking system to use the toilet.

Speaker 11 (01:55:29):
When you basically feel like going to the toilet, you
go to the where the team leader sit and then
you write down the time next to your name that
you you're going to the toilet, and then the time
you come back. Funny enough, like today after a toolbox
I kind of like an hour later, I kind of
wanted to go toilet, but I had to kind of
detour to the team leader's office right down my hours.
But then I almost went, and I was like, well,

(01:55:51):
I got to go.

Speaker 15 (01:55:51):
I got.

Speaker 16 (01:55:53):
No, wait, wait, I need to.

Speaker 11 (01:55:54):
Look for that paper.

Speaker 2 (01:55:56):
I like that is that is rough? Having to log
your visits to the bathroom.

Speaker 4 (01:56:00):
Yeah, got on your junior fighting power man, fight the power, alright,
the great in Power for Sir Paul Holmes Broadcaster of
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Speaker 2 (01:56:10):
Heather Dupless Allen is up next. But right now, Tyler,
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Speaker 2 (01:56:30):
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