Full Show Podcast: 10 September 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello, Great New Zealands, and welcome to Matt and Tyler
Full Show Podcast number two O two for the tenth
of September twenty twenty five. I think we didn't get
to another subject. We keep saying we're gonna do subjects
and we don't get to them. The one we didn't
get to today was the Apple tech. Are you excited
about the new Apple iPhone seventeen or like me, if

(00:39):
you've forgotten what number phone you are and your phone
seems to be pretty good, so you probably hold on
to it for a few more years.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah, And I think a lot of people were feeling
that one that.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Mind's an iPhone thirteen I found out, So I'm four behind.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, you got some ketching up to do.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
I'm four behind and I don't care.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Those EarPods were pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Though, Yeah, the Babelfish EarPods. Yeah, so that's freaking cool
that they translate. I mean, this isn't the iPhone. I
guess they have to be connected to an iPhone. Do
you have to have be connected to the iPhone? Seventeen
for them to work. So they're the iPods. They have
their own chip in them. Yeah. But yeah, So the
idea is that it's fantastic. So you're talking to someone

(01:15):
they're speaking a different language, turns them down and translates
in real time.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Where do you go from there? I mean that is
high level tech.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
I mean that is tech I never thought would exist
in my lifetime. It's phenen. Why don't we talk about that?

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, we should have talked about that.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
We've seemed to be way more interested in that than
we were everything else.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah, but it was a great chat about people even
score a little bit earlier, and then in a great
hour about what it means to be a true New Zealander.
Those quintessential things. Really enjoyed that chat.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Including someone that got triggered at me and started shaking
for me, suggesting that people that don't like either speedway
sauce or what is tomato sauce should be deported from
the country. I was accused of being Trump like, but
I stand by that if you don't like if you
don't like the speedway sauce, then get on a plane.
I don't care how long you've been here. Get on

(02:02):
a plane.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah, I'm heading down to the airport now. But great show. Download,
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Speaker 2 (02:07):
And give a task qv well them busy will let
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Speaker 1 (02:11):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Said me, very good Afternoons. You welcome into Wednesday show.
Really good to have your company as always. Hope you're
having a good day. Get I met.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Get a, Tyler, get everyone looking forward to the show.
Got some good stuff coming up. I saw this thing
on social media, and I know I'm always saying get
off social media's brain rap, but every now and then
I find myself between oh my goodness, between online strands. Now.
Ah so speaking of things on phone. Some big fan
of the New York Times Games, big fan of Connections

(02:51):
and the Mini and I did the Mini in twenty
seven seconds the other day the Mini crossword. Yeah, but
strands is the new thing I'm on.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
I'll get into Well, no, I'm not not going to
get into that, because here's why you got me into
the Mini. And now I can't stop. I've gone deep
into the archive. I think I've gone back to January
twenty twenty four. The mini is so you can't stop
at one, You've got to do twenty of them.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, but strands is great where you've got a sort
of list, you know, you find all the words and
there are a pile of words on a theme and
it's very it's very good. But that's not what I
want to talk about. What I'm saying is I go
into that and the I get dragged into social media
because something pops up. But this is this is what
popped up in this in this feed. One day you
burned a CD for the last time without even realizing it.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Oh, that is deep.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
That is deep, and it's you know, that's sort of
a deeper meaning. The one day you do everything for
the last time will be one day where you drive
that commute to work. That's that last day of the job,
last time you've a brushed your teeth, eat a pie,
walk to the shops. You know, if your parents live
in a different town, there's going to be a last
time you ever see your parents. Yeah, and you know

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that might only be six more times that you see them.
So it's the scarcity of life. It's like the Zen
Buddhism concept of the cherry blossom. It's scarcity makes it special.
So everything you do one day do for the last time.
So take notice to enjoy every part of your life.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
It's a beautiful start to the show. Too early for
me to be tearing up a little bit, mate, But
the last time I burned a CD good Memories, Good memories.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Well, you enjoy your time with your children, or if
you keep in mind that one day they'll move out.
Yeah you know, so that's the best thing in the
world to focus on. That every moment of your children
as they're growing up is so so important and it
will go away one day. Yeah, you know, this is
the last time that you put that car seat into
the car with your kids, before they can climb and
buy themselves and put their own seat bet on. And
then you look back when they're moving out and you go, oh,

(04:41):
those days, yeah, so so wonderful.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Beautiful philosophy. Now, just before we get into what's on
the show today, police will be holding another briefing into
the Tom Phillips investigation. That is, at one thirty we'll
be hearing from Detective Senior Sergeant Andrew Saunders, who's leading
that investigation and we will bring that to you live,
so expecting that at one thirty pm, so stay tuned
for that. We will bring you that as soon as

(05:05):
we get it. Right on to today's show after three clock. Lord,
in a wide ranging interview with Day's magazine, has said
she's a bad key. We asked about her relationship with
New Zealand, as she said she misses this country a
lot and is making it a priority to come back
here a lot more often. But when questioned about whether
she liked Lord of the Rings, she admitted she'd never
seen the movies or TV series or read the books

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and said, I know that makes me a bad key.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
We and you probably thought, you say, this is the
last time you're going to hear the story. That was
going to be the last time you'd ever hear it,
But we didn't get around to doing it yesterday because
we got too busy with the other story. So we're
doing it today. So what do you have to do
to be a good key? We what iced the full key?
We experience all black games, backyards, crickets, hung pie, source,
covered pie, watching all of the Rings. We're going to

(05:49):
get do that after three yep.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Looking forward to that after two o'clock, the Apple iPhone
seventeen lineup announced. The tech giant unveiled four new models
that mark the latest additions to its marquee product. So
that includes the introduction of what they're calling the iPhone Air,
the thinnest smartphone ever, and it's new as phones will
come with better cameras, long lasting, better is a handful
of other upgrades across the board. Traditionally, people have absolutely

(06:13):
fizzed for these sort of Announcementso.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Care and when did we stop caring? As I say before,
I don't even know what number my iPhone is. I
used to be so excited about this. I used to
watch the keynote addresses. I used to be absolutely obsessed
with the new tech coming out. But for some reason,
I think it's a lot to do with a lot
of the stuff we're doing now being online. So it's
not really within the phone. The phone's got enough processing

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and power to do whatever you needed to do, so
the jumps aren't as big. But do you care? When
did we stop caring? The one thing that we were
saying before that we do care about is that the
ear pods, which translate in real time between languages that's
pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah, absolutely, that is after two o'clock. But right now,
let's have a chat about new Ministry of Education data.
It shows three hundred and seventy six secondary school students
were granted an early leaving exemption last year. That is
the highest number of approvals since two thousand and seven.
Ninety percent of them chose to continue studying outside of school,
while the other one hundred and twenty nine students will

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approved to go into full time employment. But that is
some big numbers and the biggest in twenty two years.
So that's what we want to have a chat about
leaving school at fifteen sixteen years old. Have you faced
that or are you facing that as appearance?

Speaker 4 (07:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Would you be comfortable with it? I don't think I
would be. If my kids had said to me, I'm
leaving school at fifteen, I don't think I'd been able
to handle it because in my head, one of the
things I to do as a parent is getting them
right through school. But that might be a sort of
just doctrination that that kind of education is the best
kind of education when I don't know, moving forward into
the future, something that's more vocational might be the way

(07:50):
to go and as soon as you can. And there
are some calls though for the legal age of leaving
school to be pumped up to seventeen. So if you've
got a kid, that's I mean, I don't know about that.
Your kids zoned out and isn't interested in getting much
from school, You're forcing them to be there at seventeen.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah, I don't know if I like that. What do
you say? Oh, e one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to caller you're currently going through this
if you're a parent, if you've got a child who's
fifteen or sixteen saying Mom, Dad, I can't handle school anymore.
I want to go into polytech or a trade. I
love to hear from you. Nineteen ninety two is the
text number.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Going back to the philosophical side of things. This text
that just came through just sort of hit me. It's
very deep, Matt. You have two deaths, the physical death
and then the last time your name is ever mentioned well,
I mean, even Elvis Presley is slowly being mentioned less
and less. Although there was a movie out a couple
of years ago.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
They boosted them up for an another couple of decades.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Beslomen movie. Yeah, but yeah, at some point your name
for me, It'll be very soon after I pass too.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
It is thirteen past one. How do you feel about
more and more fifteen and sixteen year olds leaving school?
And what do you think about the idea of making
them stay until they do their seventh form year thirteen?
It is thirteen past one.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
talks they'd.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
Be It is sixteen past one. So an increasing number
of students leaving secondary school at fifteen and sixteen. It's
the highest number that have left to go into further education,
some into full time employment since two thousand and seven.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, but is it a good idea? And would you
be comfortable with your kids leaving school at fifteen? Daniel,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 5 (09:35):
How are you doing, guys?

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Very well? What's your thoughts?

Speaker 5 (09:38):
Yeah, So I've been around the sector, the education sector
since I left school about twenty five years ago, and
so I do have a little bit of insight into
the subject of today and my thought of kids leaving
at fifteen and sixteen should be in individual cases. I

(10:01):
think it should be it's not such a bad thing
for kids to leave school at fifteen and sixteen to
pursue a career or you know, and something because we
all know that everybody doesn't want to go to university
after high school, you know, not everybody wants to go
to social re education. And uh, we've heard this term.

(10:23):
We are a product of our of our environment. And
a lot of kids that I've seen at firsteen have
matured enough because of the environment they come from. Maybe
they had to grow up faster and look after their
their siblings or help out them, you know, help about
mom and dad. You know, it's not not because maybe
maybe dad is sick, you know, too sick to work,

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or mom is too sick to work. So these kids
are forced to grow up faster and mature faster. So
for having having a well life should be full of challenges,
it shouldn't be full of obstacles. And to have this
this seventeen year old uh, you know, legal age to
be you know included as part of the law. I

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think for a kid who who thinks that he's mature
enough fifteen sixteen to leave school and enter the workforce
to help buy the family already there. If he has
to wait till seventeen, he's already losing in life because
he has enough to go. He tells him, Oh, you
can't leave school. You can't help mom and dad. You
have to stay here because the government says you have
to stay to your seventeen. And I think it should

(11:27):
be an individual case because some kids are fifteen are
very mature enough to look after their younger siblings. To
some kids, if.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Anyone, did you stay at school right till the end,
right to the your thirteen?

Speaker 5 (11:39):
I stayed at school right so you're thirteen because I
enjoyed school. But I had some friends in my class.
He just came to school because they have to come
to school. No school work done, you know, nothing done,
just just there, just because the law says you have
to stay at school.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, it's interesting. I think some people don't, you know.
You say some people are ready to start life earlier
and get out there and start earning like an adult.
I think some people. I think even going through university
for some people, that's just putting off becoming an adult
because you know, you can stand in an institution and
you don't have to make any decisions just yet. Yeah,

(12:15):
and so sometimes it's just just putting all of it's
putting off. I mean you can be putting off life.
For some people, put off life will be thirty yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I think that that we're at
the stage we're in twenty twenty five, we've you know,
we've experienced life as humans for this long that we
we we should you know, stop stop covering everybody in
the same umbrella, you know, putting out an umbrella and
saying you have to wait till you're seventeen. It's not
really fair. I find if it's the legal age for

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drinking and stuff like that, that's understandable, you know, but
stuff like you know, stuff that can be like judged individually.
You know, if the if the parents think that their
kid is mature enough to leave school of fifteen, then
I don't think there should be an obstacle that stops
them from doing that, because for that particular kid, he's
looking at life a really like, man, is this what
like is gonna be about? IM gonna be demanded and

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you know, have to follow these rules. Then by the
time they're seventeen, really they've probably lost drive, you know,
half of the drive their head to help out their
parents and stuff.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
Very true.

Speaker 5 (13:15):
Daniel should just be en it just should be judging
individual cases because there are some people who probably want
to leave at fifteen. But you see how smart he
is in the classroom, but he's just lazy, you know. Yeah,
just tell him, bro, you like you say it to
your seventeen and you learn to use their talent. Was
going to be a doctor in the future. Don't be
tempted by the money that your friend fifteen is making.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (13:36):
The reason why he's making their money because he doesn't
have the brains that he have, like.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
You know exactly, Daniel, nice points and a lot of
people would agree with you. I thank you very much
for giving us a buzz. Oh eight one hundred and
eighty teen eighty Do you agree with Daniel? Do you
think it is horses for courses and if a kid
is not enjoyed or doing well at school, they should
go out and get a job and earn and try
and get a Hea'd love to hear your thoughts. Nineteen
nine two six number.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Or do you agree with calls to increase the age
that you're allowed to leave skills to seventeen.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Twenty one past one putting the.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Tough questions to the newspakers. Mike Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 6 (14:09):
Interesting inside into who's leaving school and potentially why. Last
year we had thirteen hundred and seventy six fifteen year
olds being granted an early exemption upsiders. Most of them
seem to continue when studying places like polytechs now Any England.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Is the Dunfield High School principle.

Speaker 7 (14:22):
Statistically, if the longer students stays in school are best
outcomes for them. But of course that's are stats and
not every student fits that mole. So school has been
working really hard on working in with polytakes. The Ministry
runs a uesgm T program and it's a really good program.
Students can spend one or two days a week in
a politic and they can blend it in with a
school work. Sometimes they want to go and do that
full time and they want to do that before this
is in sixteen. So in those cases we would seek

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earlier leave exemption.

Speaker 6 (14:45):
Back Tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
Avida News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Twenty four past one, and that is what we're talking about.
The record number of fifteen and sixteen year olds leaving
the school system, most to other tertiary education or into
a trade. But what do you say, are you facing
this with your own children at the moment if they're
not enduring school, are they asking to leave early or
do you think it should be mandated that they have
to to be there until thus seventeen?

Speaker 2 (15:10):
What do you think of that's from pp t A
president Chris Appercrombie. I think it's just a symptom of
very stretched secondary sector and the inability of it to
currently meet the needs of some of their students. So
they're looking at other places to meet that. That's that's
a big jump, isn't it, And that's why people are leaving.
I think they're leaving because they see opportunities at politic

(15:31):
and vocational education the stretched sceneries. So I see, because
he's the PPTA president, he's just trying to lobby for
more stuff.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
They've spoken like a union. Isn't it anything to twist
it back to what they're asking for now? Charm on, Chris, come.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
I might leave school and go in to go to
a politic because of the stressed secondary sector.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yeah right, Grace, sell you this afternoon. I'm fine, and
your daughter left school at sixteen.

Speaker 8 (16:03):
Is that right?

Speaker 9 (16:04):
Yeah, so she's thirty five now. But I just thought
for all the stressed parents there, we were horrified when
my daughter wanted She had a part time job at McDonald's.
Came from a good family, and she's very bright, and
she suddenly decided to start working school. And then she
came to us and said, I want to leave now.
Her dad's job was to put kids back into school,

(16:26):
and he was heartbroken because he left school at sixteen
to sign her out. So we signed her out. She
went to work at McDonald's full time, started working anyway.
She's now thirty five and she's got a degree. She
went to varsity and as an adult correspondence because she
was nannying in America. She's now married with two kids

(16:48):
and has her own business and she has a BA.
So I was really upset, you know, we thought she
was going to become a I worked in a place
where we were funding all the PTE, so I knew
about all the PTE programs and yeah, but she turned out.

Speaker 10 (17:05):
Okay, thank you.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
We're just going to play some messages because we're expecting
a stand up to start very shortly in the latest
and the investigation into tom Phillips, so stand by. That
is on its way very soon. It's twenty seven past one.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
That's thank you so much for your call, Grace, and
that's great news about your daughter. Jos Talk said.

Speaker 11 (17:24):
Be headlines with blue Bubble taxis it's no trouble worth
a blue bubble. Scott Watson intends to make another big
to appeal his double murder conviction as he maintains his innocence.
Open Justice reports a Court of Appeal decisions ruled he
has not suffered a miscarriage of justice, upholding his convictions
for murdering Olivia Hope and Ben Smart and the Marlborough

(17:45):
Sounds in nineteen ninety eight. Police have released footage of
a new campsite discovered in the investigation into tom Phillips,
about two hundred meters away from the first, with a
tent and a dedicated cooking area. A nurse has recalled
the distress of the woman accused of murdering her two
young children and hiding them in suitcases when she learned

(18:06):
her late husband had absconded from hospice care. Hi Jong
Lee's raising a defensive insanity brought on by her husband's
death Beloved at Taranaki Music Festival. WOMAD has announced it
won't take place in twenty twenty six, with organizers citing
rising costs and shifting conditions. A public reserve will be

(18:26):
established on Wellington's Mirima Peninsula. Seventy two hectares of land
will be transferred from Land Information New Zealand to the
Department of Conservation. Over inflated with unattractive fillers Auckland housing
plan akin to bad plastic surgery. Seymour at anzat Herald Premium.
Now back to mad Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
Thank you very much, Jody, and we are talking about
new figures out from the Ministry of Education that shows
an increasing number of fifteen and sixteen year olds leaving schools.
To give you those numbers, one three hundred and seventy
six second Rescue our students were granted in early leaving
exemption last year. That is the highest number of approvals
since two thousand and seven. Ninety percent of them go

(19:08):
into studying outside of school, whether that's tertiary or into
a trade, and one hundred and twenty nine went into
full time employment.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
A lot of texts on this is actually stupid you
are promoting children leaving school, schools where they learn. See
you want uneducated people, of course you do. Dumb people
are compliant to your agenda. I have no power over
people to make people compliant to my gender. And I
didn't say any of those things. I wanted to leave
school at fifteen. Parents wouldn't let me. School was torture
after that, didn't want to be there, wasn't a lot

(19:35):
of the time. Feel like I wasted two years waiting
to be allowed to join my mates who are already out,
already out getting things done. And another text, whatever you do,
do not go to university. Everything you learn at uni
AI can do. Go to politech, get practical, and as
soon as you can, get out of school. Colin, you
left school at fifteen, Oh yeah I did.

Speaker 12 (19:56):
It was sort of mutual agreement. But I told me
I wasn't welcome back. I was like, okay, sorry to
speaking for the great.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
Sorry now you carry on, Sorry Colin.

Speaker 12 (20:15):
Yeah, So I left and by the afternoon I was
jacked up in the soft a job, rode out to
the rode out to the freezing works and got a job.
And I think that's fixing these days, is that the
work isn't available like it was when I was give
them the heat hope when I had a job IOUs
never been done on Proud in my life. I remote

(20:36):
business for forty id years.

Speaker 13 (20:40):
Go on the can mate and then he'll sort you out.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
Sorry, we're a hard working men, Colin. It's a lot
going on.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Hey, sorry, Colin, We've got to jump out. We'll try
and get back to your story, but we've got to
go to this.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
We're going live now to the press conference.

Speaker 14 (20:54):
District Commander for Wakado District. I'd like to acknowledge the
support we've received from Commissioner Chambers and Acting Deputy Commissioner
Rogers over the past few days and providing public updates,
which has enabled us to focus on the operation we're
running in Waikato District. I'll just give you an update
on a few things before I pass you over to

(21:15):
Andrew Saunders. First of all, an update on the condition
of Officer A. Officer A remains in a serious and
stable condition at the Waikato Hospital where he is receiving
excellent medical treatment from the team there. Police continue to
support the family of Officer A, as well as the

(21:36):
other staff who were involved in the incident on Monday.
Have a message from the family members of Officer A
who thank the public and police for the support and
the messages they have received, and they ask that their
privacy continue to be respected. At this time, we've increased
visibility and reassurance patrols in the Western Waikato and Waikato District.

(22:00):
Our staff have been humbled by the community support that
they are receiving as are carrying out their duties. I'd
like to acknowledge our staff who continue to work excuse me,
in challenging conditions as we work through the investigation stage
of this operation. I know that our staff are up
for this. I see their passion as they continue to

(22:21):
go about their duties and I thank them for their efforts.

Speaker 15 (22:25):
Well.

Speaker 14 (22:25):
Now hand you over to Detective Senior Sergeant for an
Operation Curly update.

Speaker 16 (22:32):
Thank you thanks for coming. As you know, I've been
the officer in charge of Operation Curly for a number
of years now. Our main folks, that has always been
the safe return of those children. We've achieved that aim,
so Operation Curly now comes to the clothes. We've got
a few tidy up things to do, but now a

(22:55):
new phase we're moving into. So Operation cran Mayor has
been stood up and that focus of that team will
be identifying those people that's been assisting Tom Phillips. The
Operation Curly team still has a few tidy up matters,
including the scene examination which is still going on today.

(23:20):
I'd like to make some acknowledgments in terms of the
community of Marakopa. We've invade it their life. I guess
for the last four years that's been very difficult for
them at times. So I'd love to thank them personally,
the public for the information they have provided, the media

(23:45):
for keeping this story alive, which has assisted place greatly
in terms of the information we've received. Mainly, I'd like
to acknowledge the Operation Curly investigation team, so excuse me.
We've had numerous staff over the past four years come
in and out of this investigation. They've been absolutely dedicated.

(24:07):
There's been highs and lows, but I'm very proud of
their work, well so other work groups within police that
have supported Operation Curly. So I'm happy to answer any questions.

Speaker 17 (24:20):
Detective seeing stargant Operation Creda. Have you been able to
so police sem very sure that mister Phillips was getting helped.
Now do you have any suspects. What makes you so
sure that.

Speaker 16 (24:35):
He was getting help. Yeah, So, as the investigate Operation
Curly has been going on, we've always suspected Tom Phillips
has been receiving help. We've our focus given what's occurred
in terms of the attempted murder of a police officer,
we think it's absolutely important that we continue to look

(24:58):
for those people that have been supporting Tom Phillips and
help them accountable.

Speaker 17 (25:02):
Well the kind of charges that they might be police
would consider laying against those people.

Speaker 16 (25:08):
Look, we're not at that point yet, so we're still
gathering evidence to identify those people.

Speaker 18 (25:15):
Sure you give some indication that at this site here
there were some items that have still supported that hypothesis
that there are some people out there that might have
been helping Tom Blips.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
What are some of those items that have been here.

Speaker 19 (25:27):
To wa Shung?

Speaker 16 (25:28):
We believe that here. So there's a number of items
we're gonna collect from that scene. We've got to identify
have they come from burglaries? Have people purchased them? Can
we link them back to stores to see, uh, has
he stolen them or have people purchased them for him?

Speaker 4 (25:46):
Do you have an idea of how many vehicles he
had access to and where he made the begin those from.

Speaker 16 (25:51):
No, we do know that some vehicles have been stolen, uh,
and we're still piecing that together.

Speaker 17 (25:57):
And mister Saunder's these new photographs, this new site, what
leads police to believe this has been the main camp
site for recent.

Speaker 16 (26:05):
Months in terms of the way it's uh been setting up.
Uh In further information we receive, uh, but we we
don't believe it's been the main place they've been living
for the last four years.

Speaker 18 (26:18):
M When you've came across the site of the new
team's came out the site, what kind of springs to
mind when you think about the conditions that the children would.

Speaker 16 (26:25):
Have been living in. Uh, Y're not very nice. You know,
it's not a campaign trip for a couple of nights,
so it's very dirty, you know, cramp conditions. Yeah, it's
it's it's not very nice to children, I wouldn't think.

Speaker 17 (26:41):
And the information that has led for the police to
the site is there to come from the children, has it?

Speaker 15 (26:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (26:46):
Uh, I'm not gonna comment on anything that's gone from
the children.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
Do you have any idea how many other sites might
potentially be out there?

Speaker 17 (26:52):
No, we do know.

Speaker 16 (26:54):
We've always suspected he's had uh multiple sites. The number
I couldn't tell you.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
I'm just going back to the.

Speaker 18 (26:59):
DAN questions, Well, uh, why deployed roads sites that we're
disabled the vehicle enforce the confrontation.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
Of the land lead to be armed and dangerous.

Speaker 8 (27:08):
Yeah, yea.

Speaker 16 (27:08):
So I'm not gonna comment on anything to do with
the Credital incident investigation. Uh, that's nothing I'm involved with.

Speaker 18 (27:15):
Are you able to give any details around what investigations
are going on that are linked to this. I know
that we've got Operation Curly, there's this part of the
investigation is going on. We've got various IPCA investigations that
will happens.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
Well, are you able to get the details.

Speaker 16 (27:30):
But I can say in any critical incident, there's a
a critical incident investigation which is going on. There's always
a coroner's investigation which opens in the IPCA, which you've mentioned,
so that all forms part of that critical incident which
another team are dealing with.

Speaker 9 (27:49):
Uh.

Speaker 16 (27:49):
My focus has been Operation Curly. And will that look
at just this.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
Week or will it date back across the way a
four years as well?

Speaker 16 (27:57):
Operation Curly?

Speaker 4 (27:58):
No, sorry, the investigations or anything.

Speaker 16 (28:00):
Oh, look, I I couldn't comment on that in this site.

Speaker 17 (28:04):
Is this the kind of site that less or or
any search teams would have been able to actually see?
I mean this is it seems well camouflaged. Is this
something that Lease would have been spot at all throughout
the four years?

Speaker 16 (28:17):
S So one of the difficulties which I've talked to
before is the environment out there about and the challenge
with the dense bush in terms of being able to
see what's what's beneath that bush. This has certainly been
uh one of the areas of interest to us or
with that wide area, but as you'd appreciate from going

(28:38):
out there, it's very difficult to really pinpoint.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
Have least received any more information that could help from
the children?

Speaker 16 (28:47):
Uh, I'm not gonna comment on any information received from
the children.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
Do you have any other leads that have come from
elsewhere but new currently in present?

Speaker 9 (28:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (28:56):
So this little information coming in and as I say,
the same examination is still going on, so I can't
give updates on that at the moment.

Speaker 18 (29:05):
Not sure if you'll answer this question either, But there's
been concerns raised about the documentary makers that were following
aspects of operation. Couldly how do you manage that in
life of the concerns around them? The paper this lane
had on children?

Speaker 16 (29:18):
Yes, so look the uh the f the documentary follow
team any questions around that or have to defer you
to our media section.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
Are the brides still closed or publit tacks? You're stopped off? Anywhay?

Speaker 18 (29:30):
Uh?

Speaker 16 (29:31):
Still in and around that this particular scene, hopefully that
will be finished today.

Speaker 17 (29:36):
And mister Saunders, uh this scene here at uh at
this site, are you over to detail? I mean anything
more about the conditions when the police found sleeping bags?
I mean what what exactly how are they living out there?
Obviously we can see these images. Uh it looks like
a very cold and uh uncomfortable place. And mean sa

(29:57):
police found any anything like sleeping bag's blankets or anything
like us?

Speaker 16 (30:01):
Yeah, certainly the sleeping bags there a tent or appear
to be in the same the same sleeping area.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
Sure, I'm given how tight it is.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
So that is the latest update in the investigation into
the Tom Phillips situation. So to recamp from Wyatto District
Commander Andrea macbeth. She talked about Officer A, the one
that was injured in that fatal shooting incident. He remains
in a stable bit serious condition. His family wanted to
thank the public for their messages of support, but they're
now asking for privacy. Police have been humbled by the

(30:33):
support of the local community and paid credit to their
staff who have been working in tough conditions as well.
And we heard from Detective Senior Sergeant Andrew Saunders, who's
been leading this investigation. He talked about Operation Curly, so
that has been the wider investigation over the last four years.
That's almost wrapped up. They've now moved into Operation Cranmere.
So the big focus of that investigation is identifying people

(30:55):
assisting Tom Phillips. So they always suspected he was getting
help and they are now trying to track down those
people and hold them to account in terms of where
the goods came from that they discovered at those camp sites.
That is a key part of the investigation. Some vehicles
were stolen, but they're trying to track down where those
goods came from, whether they were given to Tom Phillips
or whether he stole them in the burglaries. And they

(31:17):
believe the camp we've seen in the photos was their
main camp for the last four years.

Speaker 10 (31:22):
So just to.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Reiterate the Operation Curly, the wider investigation over the last
four years is almost wrapped up. They're now into Operation
Cram there tracking down those suspected of assisting Tom Phillips.
So plenty more to come on that story as the
afternoon progresses. It is seventeen to two.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Matt Heath, Tyler Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on.
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
They'd be very good afternoon. So back to our discussion
about an increasing number of fifteen and sixteen year olds
leaving secondary school early. If you've had children wanting to
leave early, we're ken to hear from you. Oh one
hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Back to Colin. Sorry, Colin, we had to jump away
from that presser, but we were talking about you leaving
school when you're fifteen.

Speaker 12 (32:06):
Yeah, yeah, So I think between that and now, it's
the availability of the work. You know, if the kids
can leave and be able to support themselves, not rely
on mom and dad or the doll I mean, I've
never had a day's doll or any government assistant there
in my life. I've never had a day off work.
You know, I still work full time driving. I'm seventy

(32:29):
one now. I work between here in Australia, three months here,
three months over there. But if they can support themselves
and that sort of stuff, all good luck to him,
because you know, schooling and stuff for everybody. I mean,
I had a variety of jobs. I did military for
six years, I ran my own business for forty years,
and trucks. My father he left school at thirteen way back,

(32:55):
you know, obviously, many many years ago. He ended up
as a very respected farm manager. And when he retired
from farm manager, he ended up buying two motels worked
when I lived in at least the other one. So
you know, education is not the be all and end all.
I mean, it's it is important, and you know, if
you're a person who needs or requires that education to

(33:18):
survive or get ahead or get it into particular work,
that's great. At two of my granddaughters are going through
university through Otaga doing medical degrees.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Wow, at the moment, their.

Speaker 12 (33:28):
Father's paying for their father, our son, he's paying for
all of their tuition. Plus I've got a couple of
nice cars, and he got jacked him up with, you know,
a house to rent and that sort of stuff as well.
You know, the family has been very successful. I put
that all down to their mother. I did the workships

(33:51):
of educating them. But you know, it's it's I think
it's harder these days to the young ones to leave
and become self sufficient. I mean at fifteen, I organized
a job, I organized board, I started work, and I
never had a penny for anybody and did it all myself.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
You said before, Colin that you sorry. Colin. You said
before that when you left school it was sort of
mutually agreed between you and the school that you should leave.
Did you get in some kind of trouble if you
don't mind talking about, And do you think that trouble
that you were getting into is because you were just
unsuited for the schooling environment.

Speaker 8 (34:27):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 12 (34:28):
I had anger management issues and I had a punch
up with the teacher.

Speaker 20 (34:34):
And I won.

Speaker 12 (34:35):
Well, I was a big boy, I was I was
six foot one, and you know I was brought up
farming boy, you know, and that sort of stuff.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
But what was the issue, Colin, What was the issue
that flared it up with the teacher?

Speaker 13 (34:50):
He wanted to give me a cane.

Speaker 12 (34:52):
I was home to take a hike because I hadn't
done what it was, and he grabbed me by the year.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
So he started when he.

Speaker 12 (34:58):
Grabbed me by the year. Yeah, when he grabbed me
by the year, I hung on.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Fair enough that there will INDI your school career far
enough on both accounts. Color, how did your parents take
that incident when when it came back to them.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
He put very well, yeah, yeah, and your parents were
they were they happy that you got both just out
of school.

Speaker 21 (35:18):
Mate.

Speaker 12 (35:20):
I didn't have much to do with my parents back then.
I was in a boys home prior to you know,
for the previous two years place called essentially down in
the forever.

Speaker 6 (35:33):
But yeah, I didn't have.

Speaker 13 (35:34):
So much to do with them.

Speaker 12 (35:37):
It wasn't until sort of later in life that I
sort of reconnected definantly was my father, and we ended
up with a reasonably good relationship, especially uh to lead past.
But yeah, I've got a great family, you know, great kids,
doubled one incredibly well and didn't have now some trouble
for many of them. But you know, I put that

(35:58):
down to growing up in a rural environment, smaller towns
and not cities. Not so many temptations.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
So we say, yeah, well, thank you so much for
your cool Colin, and I'm glad that you're everything's turned
out fantastically for you. So school wasn't right for him?

Speaker 18 (36:12):
No.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
I say to my son the other day that you know,
we're having a chat about the cane, and I asked
him the question, would you rather be hit with the
cane or go through an attention for an hour? And
he was like, much rather be a cane. I mean,
there's an argument the kids lost something a little bit,
because you know, staying at attention and missing the buses
is an absolute punished Personally, I'd prefer just three really

(36:34):
hard whax and walk home with the saw bum than
having to miss.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
The bus thirty seconds of pain and a bit of
a bruise.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Especially when I was at school, missed the call. TV
shows that we're on Olsen.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yeah, thirty seconds versus an hour. Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. And an increasing
number of kids are leaving school at fifteen and sixteen.
If your kids are going through that, we'd love to
hear from you. It is nine to two.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty, It's Matt Heath and Taylor
Adams afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
EDB, News TALKSB. It is six to one and we're
sorry you go mate. I was just going to say,
we're talking about fifteen and sixteen year olds leaving school
and record numbers, plenty of texts coming through.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Colin was great. He summarized your real life caller working
hard but has Zibi on in the background. Yeah, Color
called us through is working at the gates, et cetera.
The cane is good. You got to learn how to
take it, got to learn how to take a hit.

Speaker 22 (37:28):
You do.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
This is around my discussion with my son where he said,
hed much rather be caned than have to stay for detention.
He doesn't have the option. We've got a few good
at the option.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Bring back the cane.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
I think I got some late stage caning from a teacher.
I think I think it was ruled out. I think
it was ruled out later in the Lower South Island
than it was any else. But it's better than maybe
they were their heart wasn't in it by the end
of it. Yeah, because I was like much rather get
just a whack or much rather get strapped than have
to stay for a detention.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah, out of principle. That slapped me around a couple
of times, and that was just the way that it
was done at the time.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Many of the kids who leave school early seemed to
find that they have something to prove, normally against negative
comments about leaving school earlier. I left at sixteen, multi
at age thirty seven with my own building company, nice
and success. Funny how the ones who left school early
wouldn't change the decision. Those who stayed also wouldn't change
the decision. Anyone out there who regrets staying at school
till year thirteen, or who regrets leaving early, that's an

(38:24):
interesting thing. I mean, regrets for pointless in life, right, Yeah,
So I mean if you left at sixteen, then then
get on with it, although you kind of regret it,
don't you.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Yeah, I did a little bit. I left at sixteen
and I went into polytech to do a six month
course and I left because I just wasn't having fun
at school anymore. But then because I was still mates
with you know, guys who went on to do the
synth form, and they said they had the best of
the piast here of their life. They had so many
free periods, and they were king of the school. They

(38:53):
ruled the roast, and they wore a room. Yeah, the
number ones sports blazers. Yeah, that was a good time.
So I looked at it and thought, man, I missed
a trick there, But I turned out alright in the end.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
So happy days this Texas says I used to enjoy
the cane. Well that's a different story all to gain
that is.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
Yeah, that's fifty shades right there.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
There are people clearly yes, there's no two ways about it.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
No judgment right. We're going to carry this on after
two o'clock. So keen to hear your stories on our
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and if you want
to send teacher, more than welcome. Nine to nine two.
If your kids have left school at fifteen and sixteen,
why and what have they gone into? Really keen to
get your stories. New sport and weather coming up. You're
listening to Matt and Tyler. It is three minutes to two. Great,

(39:37):
have your company as always, have you having a great afternoon.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams
afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
It'd be for a good afternoons you welcome back into
the program. So we're going to continue on with this conversation.
More kids are leaving school at fifteen and sixteen, but
there's growing talk about raising the leaving age to seventeen.
How would that impact you.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
The text that says I left seventh form, worked as
a photographer and dive coach, then into property and made
forty nine million by my mid thirties, then litigation and
won a five hundred million dollar case. Rarely I would
have said, come on, I want to see those numbers. Yeah,
one of five hundred million dollar case.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Give us your last name. I mean, congrats if that's true.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Give us a hundred million.

Speaker 8 (40:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
My parents wanted me to finish school, but good on
you if it's true, Very well done. Go from dive
coach to forty nine million. My parents wanted me to
finish school, but I begged them to leave as it
suited me. They were unhappy, but I left college in
the first term of year eleven, never got my NCA
Level two credits, went straight to Unitech to study art

(40:48):
and design, and finished my bachelor's at Media Design School.
I received my bachelor's one or two years before everyone
else the same age as me. I don't believe college
is catered towards everyone, especially artistic and creative, hands on
people like myself.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
This, Texas says our son was good at math but
didn't want to be at school anymore, so was interested
in engineering approach, and an engineering company asked if they
could try him out for two days, no page, just
to see if you liked it. They took him on
as an apprentice after one day. Now, in his thirties,
he owns his own engineering company. Tell you what we're
hearing every story hearing about people living school area. Is

(41:26):
some of them truer than others?

Speaker 3 (41:28):
Yeah? I do pretty well in life. Turns out, so
kids don't stay in school.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
At fifteen guaranteed to make fifteen million.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Quinn, how are you good?

Speaker 20 (41:38):
Mate?

Speaker 23 (41:38):
How are you?

Speaker 24 (41:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (41:39):
Good?

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Good.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
You're twenty two, so you've got a very interesting perspective
on this. You're close to things.

Speaker 15 (41:44):
Yeah, definitely, definitely for me personally, I reckon I reckon
school is necessary to be honest. I don't reckon it
as until you know year thirteen or form seven. I
don't think that's the case. But I think at least
you know your Form five, your year eleven and at
the moment your NCAA level one, just knowing how to
read and write English. And I've run I've run into

(42:07):
a lot of people that don't know how to read
and write. And you know, for whatever trade you're going into,
you need to know. You know what I mean, you
need to know. And when I say I run into
a lot of people, I genuinely mean it. And this
supports there and there is depending on the school I
went to. I went to Lombay College. There was options there.

(42:28):
You know, you could go more academic, you could go
more on the artsist side. And for a lot of
people that didn't make it at my year level, you
know why they left school, No, because they didn't like
getting up in the morning, you know.

Speaker 13 (42:40):
And if you want to go into you know, if you.

Speaker 15 (42:43):
Want to go into the trade, you're going to have
to You're going to have to get up earlier than that.
You're gonna have to work harder than that. You have
to related in what we did when we were in school.
If you can't stay in school till yet, you know,
year eleven, Form five at least, it's not going to
be any easier, you know what I mean, that's my opinion.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
Yeah, I mean you look back at my well, I
look back at my school days now, and what is
it about six hours? You get a nice lunch time,
you get plenty of holidays. And I thought I was
hard done by as a kid, as oh man, this
is so long. But then you get into the real world.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
But you remember this, quin. God, it's hard to get
out of bed when you're a teenage boy.

Speaker 25 (43:20):
Definitely, sure, it hurts.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
It's actually physically hurts to get out of bed.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
Yeah, if you're up before midday as a teenage boy,
you're doing pretty well.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
I'd get up from because we lived on the farm,
had to be you know, catched right into town with
my dad to the buses, and I'd be like, he'd
be honking the horn and I'd just be putting my
uniform on it. Actually, it was like you'd been tranquilizer darted,
just trying to walk down across the from my room
to the car. But so you stayed right to the

(43:48):
end of school, did you, Quinn?

Speaker 15 (43:50):
No, No, actually didn't. My left into Form six. I
got my insare level two and I got out of
there because I didn't enjoy it either. But I recognized
skills that I still use to this day from school.
And when I mean skills doesn't mean I'm using algebra
on a daily base. Is what I mean by skills
is life lessons, you know, from my teachers. And that's

(44:13):
another thing too. I think what makes schools school enjoyable
is the teachers. You know, you've got a good teacher,
you're gonna love it.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
So yeah, yeah, And a lot of people would agree
with what you just said there, but it sounds I
mean it's for those kids out there and lot yourself,
you are, you left a bit early. But if you're
fifteen sixteen, school's not for you. But you've got that
work ethic or you've got that drive on something you
want to do. That's the key part, right, Rather than
the fifteen and sixteen year olds they don't like school,
but they're not too sure what they want to do.

(44:43):
Maybe they just want to stay at home for a
few days. It's not kind of you know, that's that's
not the drive you need to actually succeed if you
leave early.

Speaker 15 (44:52):
Definitely differently, Like, don't get me wrong, I feel like
if you can write a report and you have work
ethic and you'll let's say you just turn sixteen one
hundred percent, I think you should go for it. But
at the same time, if you can't read a book,
and like I'm not talking about an extensive, super comprehensive book,

(45:12):
I'm just talking about like a basic novel or read
a basic work report, you need to stay you know.

Speaker 26 (45:18):
There we go.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
We talked about that for quite a long time yesterday,
and Quinn, thank you so much for being a young
person that translated years into forms for some people, because
good Man knowing that year thirteen is seventh form. Yeah,
it catches a lot of people out to.

Speaker 8 (45:34):
Get your hit.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
Around oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Should the school leaving age go
up to seventeen? What would that mean for your family?
Plenty of texts coming through.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
On nine two nine two, the Sexus said, Albert Einstein
left school at fourteen or fifteen. I guess school didn't
have much to do with his great mind, intellect and achievements.
Well people say that, but he left school in his
fifteen but then he did end up going back to
school in Switzerland afterwards and whether that he became a
tutor after that as well, So he ended up doing
quite a lot of stuff there. But you know, get

(46:04):
point taken.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Yep, absolutely right. Coming up, we're going to have a
chat to pen and she had two sons who left
school early and are both doing very well now, so
we'll get to her next. It is thirteen past two and.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
A lot of people pushing back on my claims that
it's better to get caine than to go to a detention.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
Apparently it hurt quite a lot.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Some people are saying that my teachers didn't do the
run up that they had to experience from some of
their teachers.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Your home of afternoon talk, mad he than Taylor Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Call, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Sixteen past two. Some more kids are quitting school early.
Should we make them stay longer? That is the question?

Speaker 18 (46:42):
No.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty penny.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Welcome to show. You have have two sons that left
after NZEA.

Speaker 23 (46:48):
One, Yes they did. Are they going doing really well?
The oldest is now twenty five. He was a bit
easier when he reaped up to school in his sport
and did he was just sweeping the falls, and they
got them because they he was quite talented, and they've
got him doing a lot of different jobs. And then
they'd to him getting a lead to an engineering marine

(47:11):
engineering job, and he ended up in apprenticeship as a
marine engineer, which he qualified with and he now works
in the gold mines and Eka Matilla, so he's an
engineer down there and such all the equipment.

Speaker 21 (47:26):
So what was done very well for himselves.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
What led him to leave school after ncee A was that?
Was that driven by him?

Speaker 23 (47:34):
It was, Yeah, he was very bored and I said
to him, well, if you're going to be bored, you're
going to have to find something to keep your mind occupied.
And engineering was one of those things that had to
think on the spot and calculate. And you know, he
was very good at engineering when he was at Nelson Boys.
He's quite clever at doing things like that. So it
was just a natural progression really that that's what he

(47:56):
wanted to do.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
School now some college to my alma mater there you go.

Speaker 23 (48:02):
Yeah, and the youngest one, the youngest son, he's just
twenty and he was the same We went through lockdown
and everything, and it was really difficult time for honey.
They didn't cope with the schooling it all. I was
trying to teach him and it was just you know,
and we were at that stage we'd moved to Marlbourne,
we were living quite remotely, so it was quite difficult

(48:23):
and he just didn't he just didn't like going to school.
And I said, well, you're going to have to get
a decent job. You're not going on the doll And
he just walked into a construction company and did that
for three years. And he's left there and he's at
politics doing a mechanical qualification and he's just landed himself

(48:43):
a diesel mechanic job as an apprentice. Next well, we
could start at the end of this year, but he's
got a contract and everything this week to start that.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
So that's good. How much anger is he then the
other brother that left in that years apart, because because
just listening to you know, people talking about the top
of the said, having a mentor that's done it before
is a big part of people feeling bold enough to
do it. So do you think the fact that your
eldest son had already gone through it and it had

(49:14):
left early and it had been successful. Do you think
that made it more easier for you to deal with
it for the younger son and easier for the younger
son to make that decision.

Speaker 17 (49:24):
I think so.

Speaker 22 (49:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (49:25):
So you know, like the twenty five year old, now
he brought his first house at twenty two, so he
you know, I mean it's pretty rare for kids, and
him and his partner only been together very very short time,
but they had enough to sort of go on with
a thirty thirty five percent posit and still had savings. So,
you know, for kids at that age, at this time,

(49:46):
the stage in their lives has done very very well.

Speaker 17 (49:48):
You know.

Speaker 23 (49:49):
Yeah, they're just clever kids, you know what I mean,
They're smart. But going to school, it was just like
I was having to wring all texts to say he's
sick again, he's sick again.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Well, thank you, Penny, and congratulations on bringing up such
fine young men.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Yeah, brilliantly.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
We are air hearing a lot of people ringing and
saying it was a disaster, no leaving a.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Lot of success for the early school leavers, which is great,
But there is a text like this one that's just
come through giddy guys. My child left school at fifteen
and went into full time work at a fish factory,
earned very good money, but now regrets getting into work
at such an early age before he really knew what
he wanted to do. Now he's going back to unit
at the age of twenty seven to study medicine. All

(50:31):
kind of worked out, but he feels like he wasted
his time for the last ten years.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
Oh okay, so there is that side as well. Yeah,
you got to keep moving forward. You know when my
son was suggesting he was going to do a gap year,
and I was like, a gap year can't be a
do nothing here. It has to be otherwise you'll slip
behind your friends. Yep, and he ended up not taking it.
Get Rid of Year thirteen High School says the text
a focus should be on teaching more about life skills.

(50:59):
He g Help kids trades, financial management or other programs
such as military options, help kids with scholarship further education.
Get Rid of your thirteen's.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
Is that text controversial? But we love it?

Speaker 26 (51:13):
Right?

Speaker 21 (51:13):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Would raising the school leaving age help or hurt? There
has been some calls to raise it to seventeen. How
would that impact you? Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 8 (51:26):
Coming up.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
We have a chat with Patrick Drum, he's head master
of Mount Albert Grammar School. We'll get his thoughts on
this very shortly.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
And this person supports my calls that being cain was
better than getting detentions. Hey, I was exactly the same
red detention in the cane. I tell the teacher they
would have to pay my bus for you and missing
the school bus and I would trade for caine happy days.
There was nothing compared to the drug card I was
getting at home in a comparison there.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Yeah, very true.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Cord. Jeez jeez, that is the wooden spoons one thing,
the bout's one thing.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
The jug cord had the whipping action. Yeah, you don't
want that.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
That's a lot to deal with.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
That is tough, right, Patrick Drum, head master of Mount
Albert Grammar School. Are coming up very shortly. It's twenty
one past too.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Matt Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on news talks.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
Be for a good afternoon to you. It's twenty four
past two. More students are leaving school early, so should
we make them stay longer and increase the leaving age
to seventeen. Patrick Drummer is the headmaster of Mount Albert
Grammar School. He's a good man and he joins us
on the line. Now, Patrick, very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 13 (52:34):
Good afternoon, how are you very good?

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Welcome back to the show. So we've just seen the
highest number of early leaving exemptions since two thousand and seven.
What do you think is driving more fifteen year olds
to leave school?

Speaker 27 (52:44):
Patrick, Well, it's interestingly I've just really come across that
story today as well. I suppose like everyone else, but
I suppose on to look at the actual number. It's
a it's not a huge number when you think of
the number of secondary student students we have in the country, right,
I think we've got something like two fifty three hundred
thousand students, So it's a it's a real drop in

(53:05):
the bucket there. I suppose from my perspective, without having
dug two deep into the into the numbers or behind
the stats, there is that if these youngsters are heading
into purposeful post secondary environment work further study, I mean,
that's really it's a real good news story. I mean,
one of the big concerns we've had is across the

(53:25):
country of students who are leaving without a qualification and
then and they're not continuing any employment or training at all.
And that's probably a much bigger concern. That's that's in
the many thousands of students.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
What are kids and parents have to do, like admin
wise with the school if their kids want to leave
at fifteen, they can't just not turn up. They have
to organize this things.

Speaker 27 (53:46):
Right, Well, I'll be in trouble if they don't turn up,
but yeah, you're right. Look, they need to go through
a process with the Ministry of Education and they're sort
of a vetting process there and it'll come to the
school for our opinion and our support for that, and
with usually we put down some potential reasons why that
might be. I mean, this is quite these are exceptional cases.

(54:07):
It's not on a it's not a wide scale or
you know, occurrence at all. And then it goes back
to the Ministry and it's approved and those students can
leave school before sixteen.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
So there's already been talk of increasing the leaving age
to seventeen. Patrick, how would you feel about that? Would
that be counterintuitive to ensuring fifteen sixteen year olds actually
go on to better education if they decide to leave.

Speaker 27 (54:32):
Yeah, well, I think it's what they are doing if
they are going to leave. So I think the staying
at school, the incentive to stay at school obviously is
the ideal, but you know it's not for everyone in
terms of what different schools offer. You know, you've got
to go to your local school zone school, and that's
the rules law we have that school may not be

(54:53):
totally suitable for a student. So, you know, raising the
age of seventeen I think as aspirational. I think it's
a good signal that we value more learning is better.
But again, if those students aren't staying to seventeen, we
need to know where they're going because if they're just
going out to a pretty bleak future, you know, we
pay for that, don't we Down the track?

Speaker 2 (55:15):
What do kids miss out? Do you think they miss something?
Miss something even if it's you know, jumping off before
year thirteen? Do they miss something in terms of development
and I know, socializing and you know what the school
has to offer.

Speaker 27 (55:30):
Well, I think there's huge opportunities as you move through
a school into the senior school. You know what, if
you're engaged in your school, there.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Are incredible opportunities.

Speaker 27 (55:39):
There's leadership opportunities, there's the mentoring of the younger students.
The relationship of a school with it senior students evolves,
doesn't it. We handle our year nine students a little
bit different than we might our year twelve and thirteen students,
and that's just a part of the school. I really
enjoy is watching students grow and develop and mature through

(55:59):
the system. And you know they are they are great
young adults by the time they are leaving school. So
ideally you'd want everyone to experience that and have the
confidence then to be successful at school and then go
on to those next stages afterwards.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Well, it's a testament to you that you want to
keep them right through to year thirteen. Considering how absolutely
rammed Mount Albert Grammar is with people, you could use
the space, couldn't you.

Speaker 27 (56:22):
Well that's right, but I mean, you know, that's our job,
that's our business, and you know, we'd like to see
everyone come right through from year nine to thirteen, do
five years of secondary education and then kick on strongly
after that.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Now, Patrick drum Headmaster of Mount Abut Grahmam. You might
not want a weigh on this. This is a weigh
in on this. This is a secondary topic that I've
been talking about. What do you say to people like
me who claim this is going back in time that
the cane was better than detention because you didn't miss
the bus home with the cane.

Speaker 27 (56:51):
You're setting me up here, aren't you. I was probably
at the school, probably earlier than you at my own schooling,
I suppose, so I know what you're talking about. But no, Look,
Will's moved on. We've got to find other ways.

Speaker 26 (57:05):
You know.

Speaker 27 (57:05):
We haven't got a great record on some of our
solutions in terms of physical solutions to things in our communities,
and I think we need to model let at school,
these other ways to solve problems and get the result
we want rather than I think the cane's head its
day put it that way.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
I don't think I'm getting a lot of sport and
bringing it back partly from my attention is working pretty well.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
Hey, Patrick, really good to catch up with you. Thank
you so much for your time and we'll talk down
the track. Great to check all the business mate, Yeah,
thank you. That is Patrick drum head master at Mounts
Albert Grammar. I've got to say there has any there's
been an email that's come in on the old caning
match and it sees the cane hurts, but it's over
and done. Detention takes longer, less pain, but still a

(57:48):
pain doing it done both. I don't know what I
prefer from Bob right down the middle.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Caning not so much when you had creepy teachers who
would put their hand down the back of your shorts
to check for patting. All right, okay, well there's a
different all right, Yeah, no, nobody wants that totally different.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
Certainly not all right. It is hard pass too. We've
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Speaker 3 (59:32):
Thank you very much, Jody. It is twenty six to three,
so if the school leaving age went up to seventeen,
how would that affect you and your household? I one
hundred and eighteen eighties.

Speaker 5 (59:40):
A number four.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Ben, you left to school at fourteen, So how you
played the drums?

Speaker 13 (59:45):
I just banging out of stanging out a bit of
a bit of a Jill Appe.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Good man.

Speaker 13 (59:53):
Look, I was going to I was going to pass
the metalwork, woodwork, music. I was going to fould everything else.
I got booted out of a lot of schools and
I made it two weeks, two weeks and too formed
four and that was the end of it. They just
put pain and my parents signed me out. I've got

(01:00:15):
an exemption and I become a joiner, timber joiner.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
And so someone took you on did you have Was
that a connection that you had or you know, how
did you sort that out? Ben?

Speaker 18 (01:00:31):
No?

Speaker 13 (01:00:32):
I ended up applying for a job and a paper,
and yeah, I got the job. Just passionate. I was
building tree huts and skateboard rents and motorbike jumps all
day long as good child out in the farm. It
was just it was just decing to be. But you know,
I'm standing here now in the biggest think joining the

(01:00:55):
company in the South Island, and I'm just working on
a university and I just finished the Hospital Hospital, Greymouth
Hospital Convention Center. Yeah, and I still love it, you know,
like I'm over thirty years and and I just I

(01:01:16):
still love it, man, Like, yeah, just.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
I mean you were a very practical person though, right,
So you leaving kind of made sense, didn't it because
you wanted to use your hands, and you were talented
in that way. Yeah, as opposed to just leaving because
you can't be bother getting out of bed in the
morning to go to school.

Speaker 13 (01:01:37):
There was a bit of that when I was younger,
and then I went to that stage of having the
days off snowboarding and when I was apparently sick, but no,
look I missed it. It's funny because this is the
biggest part of this job is mathematics, and yeah, I

(01:01:58):
do struggle with that. I've gotten better as time goes
on to help me out, and evident goes through a calculator,
so that would have helped. But yet that's that did
me wonders as far as sitting the old tech again.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
And learning that makes you sure?

Speaker 13 (01:02:15):
So yeah, and the downside, so it was too when
I left that age, all my mates from school, you know,
we were still kicking around. But I always had money,
so I had the smokes, and I always had all
that and they never had none, and so it was
just hard to keep up with. There, there was a
bit of a downside. And yeah, just the times i'd
finished working, the times i'd finished school.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
Yeah, so as a young fellow, you answered the ad
and the paper and went down to the joinery business
and said, I'd quite like a job. What did they do?
Did they put you through their paces or was it
a bit easier back then for a fourteen year old
to get a looking.

Speaker 13 (01:02:47):
They threw me in the deep ense and I only
had There was only two old boys. There was a
bossco and another old falla they and then there was meat.
And yeah, I started at the at the bottom of there,
had to go make the coffees. They do the dash
down of the shop to get the milk. And I
did do a bit of I started out in a
demolition yard as an after school job when I was

(01:03:08):
getting to still and denailing bricks, sorry, delaiming timber and
cleaning bricks on contracts, and so I did have a
bit of I guess that's going to help me get
getting my foot in the door, because I could see that, hey,
I was keen and player boys swinging a hammer. So yeah,

(01:03:28):
but yeah, yeah, like I went through all the stages
of breaking and making a lot of mistakes and breaking
a lot of stuff when I was still in my apprenticeship.
But yeah, we had one corner of the workshop, all
those spits and pieces. They were called it the casualty corner.
So it was just yeah, yeah, but not looking back
at all and not looking back, and I you know,

(01:03:51):
I'm opening now to my kids doing what they want
to do. They know that, yeah, there's no pressure on
them to go because I was always told that if
I didn't do well at school, I was going to
become a ditch digger. And it's funny because those boys
are making more money than.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
It's not quite saying thread. It used to be, hey,
thank you girl, beIN appreciate it and you go well
out there, so it's awesome that you're loving your job.
It's funny he talks about getting the coffees because I remember,
I think still in my entire career, the most stressful
job I've ever had to do is when I got
a moved talking and got a job as a runner
on a for a television production company, and I had

(01:04:31):
to get the subway order for everyone. Yeah, for seventeen people.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
You don't want to make that up.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Very complicated, you're very scared. There's still the most complicated
a thing but I've ever done. But Steven Spielbeerg once said,
if you can't get a coffee order right, you might
be a great director, but no one will ever find out.
Which means the ground you stop at the bottom. When
you start at the bottom, you have to show your
competency and getting the coffees right when you're seen out
to get the coffees right, or getting the subway right
when you're seen out to get the subway spot on.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
And I take it you got the subs right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Yeah, absolutely, My good fussy meatball. This not no jalapeno?

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
Is that nobody wanted a tuner?

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Yeah, there's a turn amount in the tuna. I love
the tuna.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
Oh, I can't stand the tuna tuna, tuna, tuna tuna.
If you want to correct me, we're used to that
by now, right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
It doesn't like the tuna with tuna tuna with the
ice cream Buddy delivery.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
Yeah, I mean it's pre mayoed. I mean is that
it's not even real tuna horse meat, right, it's twenty
minutes to three oh eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty.
Should it's wrong with horse meat? I think it's pretty tasty,
pretty gamy. Should the school leaving age go up to seventeen?
What would it mean for your family and your household?
It is twenty to three have a chat with the lads.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
On eighty eighty. Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons used talk.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
Said, be for a good afternoon, dude, eighteen to three.
So there's some thoughts about raising the school leaving age
to seventeen? Is that a good idea or too far?
Increasing numbers of children leaving school at fifteen and sixteen?
But what do you say? Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number of call text here? Gooday, guys,
great chat? Doesn't this put a bunch of people in

(01:06:15):
the class that either don't want to be there or
would be better in another format? This distracts from the
people learning, which is a fair point. So that's a text.
Who's against the idea of raising the school eving age
to seventeen?

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
It's interesting though, like if you look at as Patrick
Drum said, one three hundred and seventy six secondary school
students were granted nearly the leaving exemption last year. There's
about three hundred thousand kids in school.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
Yeah, so what's the percentage of that? Zero pointings? Zero two? Gary?
How are you?

Speaker 15 (01:06:45):
Oh? Good man?

Speaker 21 (01:06:46):
Yourself?

Speaker 19 (01:06:46):
Great subject?

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
Thank you mate. Now you did you leave early yourself?

Speaker 21 (01:06:52):
Well?

Speaker 19 (01:06:53):
I left when I was allowed to leave, which was
pretty much just a school certificate.

Speaker 9 (01:06:56):
But leading up to that, school was.

Speaker 19 (01:07:00):
Excellent for eating my lunch and playing my sport. There
were classrooms apparently that I was meant to go into
that was all cool. So I used to cycle to
it from school and passed the building joinery factory. They
had a note up there two apprentices wanted. It was
about November, and I was like, oh yeah, give that
a nudge, and my Woodwick teacher said yeah, but I'll

(01:07:22):
put your name forward and so we did that and
they said, yep, you've got the job start in January,
but we want you to pass school certificate and I
was like, what's that. Okay, yeah, I'll go into the exams.
I sat down for my thirty minutes that I had
to and sadly I got forty four percent for Woodwick,
which means I did write something down.

Speaker 9 (01:07:43):
But leaving school.

Speaker 19 (01:07:45):
Straight after that starting my building apprenticeship fantastic, loved it.
Did all my learning through that, all my reading, writing, literacy, numeracy,
picked it all up through my building trade and just
smashed it and got top apprentice as well from leaving school,
you know, And.

Speaker 9 (01:08:06):
It was just it was what I needed to do
because school was not for me.

Speaker 19 (01:08:11):
I remember the science teacher on a Monday morning saying,
haste things to the front of the class anyone else
who hasn't done their homework for the cane and because
he always knew, and he's like, why do you do that?
And I said, well, the canes to be out, I know,
two minutes of discomfort and the homework I don't know
because I've never done it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
So logical was here, I thought?

Speaker 21 (01:08:35):
So?

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Was he a run up cana?

Speaker 18 (01:08:37):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Was it was he putting flair into He.

Speaker 19 (01:08:40):
Put some good effort into it. I think it was
particularly for me. He never did the check go for
the bookdown the pants luckily. Yeah, that sounds a bit dodge.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Yeah, there was some some some cans that really took
pride and there work isn't it interesting to think that
there was there was standard issue education department canes and
straps that were you could order for the resource room
as a teacher back in the day.

Speaker 25 (01:09:02):
It's pretty cool what was said.

Speaker 19 (01:09:04):
What's changed now though, I think education is is more
prevalent in today's environment. Employers are looking for someone who's
got a bit of mouse, not just hands on, you know.
So I'm still involved in the building trade and teach
night classes for groups of new apprentices that coming through,

(01:09:25):
and we do practical and theory elements to it because
I can feel their pain that they don't want to
sit and do a written exam, so we presented in
three different mediums to cover that off for them. But
I still feel employers, no matter what, the workers want
you to have half a brain at least, you know,

(01:09:46):
so leaving school early, I don't think that's a great idea.
I'm for the seventeen bringing it up to seventeen, to
be honest.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Even though it worked out so well for you.

Speaker 19 (01:10:00):
Yeah, probably a little bit of exception to the rule.
But times have changed in that space, you know. I mean,
they wanted me to get school se me when I
didn't yep, So even then they were expecting expectations. Where
did I put some effort in to school? See, and
I didn't even pass woodwork, which is awkward.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Well, I'm glad everything turned out great for you. Gary.
You sound like a great New Zealand. It was great
to chat.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
Yeah, thank you very much from me. Absolutely, Just on
the cane situation, you reckon. There were some of the
teachers that went to the gym just to work on
their cane arm. There must have been you get a
real good forearm going on.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Whether it was there were there were the teachers that
named their canes Lucy.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
Is coming for you? Yeah, Butchi yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
In Australia you on today. I'm with Matt. When you
get the cane, you don't bat an eyelid, don't acknowledge
the pain. You look the teacher straight in the eye
and say thank you sir for empowering me.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
Yeah that is powerful. Yeah with me a good moment,
Thank you sir, Thank you. Can I have another plenty
of tea's coming through On nineteen ninety two.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
Looks is staying to seventeen used to be for those
sitting university interest exams. If you aren't going to university,
what the hell are you doing at school?

Speaker 17 (01:11:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:11:15):
Good, cool Blair? How are you mate?

Speaker 13 (01:11:19):
Heyler, it's very.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
Good what you take about raising the school leaving age.

Speaker 29 (01:11:24):
Me personally, I don't think it's going to achieve what
they think it's going to achieve. I mean, if you know,
one of your biggest issues at the moment is truancy,
probably because the kids don't want to be there, So
forcing them to stay there until they're seventeen isn't going
to be the flex that I think they hope it is.
And the other thing is they need to probably standardize everything,

(01:11:47):
so like when are you and adults in this country?
You can drive when you're fifteen, you can, yeah, you
can drive when you're sixteen. You can get married when
you're sorry, drive when you're fifteen, married when you're sixteen,
But you can't buy alcohol, cigarettes or go to a
knock shop until you're eighteen. You can't vote, I think,

(01:12:07):
until you're eighteen. So at what point what point are
you classed as an adult?

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
It's an interesting call. And then there's some people calling
for voting ags to be lied to sixteen as well.
So what do you think? What do you think? It
isn't the problem with classing when someone is an adult,
because there are people that are adults when they're fifteen,
and there are people that aren't adults when they're thirty.
You know, know what I mean? But what do you reckon?
What do you reckon in age? Is eighteen eighteen for everything?

Speaker 16 (01:12:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 29 (01:12:34):
I mean if well, I mean, if eighteen is the
majority of what they consider you being old enough to
make your own decisions theoretically, then it probably needs to
be across everything. Now I've just contradicted myself.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
I realized that.

Speaker 29 (01:12:53):
You know, I still don't think it's going to achieve
what they wanted to achieve by making.

Speaker 25 (01:12:58):
The kids stay longer.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Yeah, I mean I was.

Speaker 29 (01:13:01):
I funked out of school fairly early on, as basically
as soon as I could, and I was lucky. I'll
landed on my feet and got a job and was
there for quite a long time. And they've progressed through
life fairly satisfactorily, I would think. But that was luck
rather than good good luck rather than good management.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
Yeah, it's interesane because we're hearing from a lot of
people that left school early and have done well, but
we're not for whatever reason, And that might be survival
by us that we're thinking here that we're not hearing
from a lot of people that left school and regretted
it and things didn't turn out because yeah, they just
probably didn't turn out well enough for them to be
ringing us right now.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
Yeah, and luck comes into it, as you say, Blair, Hey,
thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
So of your call. I need to get it to school.
Thank you so much for your call.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
Blair, Thank you very much. I'm having a look at
old canes just because I'm interested. And in terms of
the actual standard issue cane in New Zealand, so it
was called the old hooknick but bamboo, no, metal didn't
have to be bamboo. You could just get an oak cocaine,
which is quite nice.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Just can you imagine teachers going through and packing from
the catalog what cane they wanted.

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
Yeah, I have one of those, one of those.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
When I told one of my sons that they used
to came kids at school, he laughed for ages. He
thought it was a joke. He couldn't even imagine. He said,
what the teachers used to hit the kids with a
stick And I said yeah, And he thought I was lying.
He had to look it up before he believed me
thought he was playing a joking. Matt, my high school
economics teacher, and Timaru had a cricket back called the Motivator.

(01:14:38):
Well taking it to the cricket bats intense. It was
either that or fifty laps around the panic. We also
had to call them cur and this was in the nineties.

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
Fifty laps was a lot. I think I'd get I'd
get a hit by the Motivator over fifty lamps.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
It depends what shot was. If it was like a
pool shot, yeah, if it was a nice just for
defensive stroke, sure that's fine. But you know, yeah the
four wind up if he's getting on the back foot
and having a go not so keen a right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
It is eight minutes to three, eight hundred eighteen eighty
is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
The harder you work, the lucky you get, guys says
is tick. So how true is that? The issues that
affect you and.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
A bit of fun along the way. Matt Heath and
Taylor Adams Afternoons News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
News Talks It B. It is five to three, So
many ticks to come through on this topic.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
I quit UNI for my girlfriend as a teenager because
she didn't want me to leave town for UNI. Then
she said no to marrying me and then cheated on me.
Now I got to support a family of five one
hundred K as a single income when it could be
on twice that if I'd bent to UNI.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
That is a tragic series of events.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
I've got to say, Well, that's the downside of it,
staying to seventeen years. I know that's already read that
expelled at fifteen long story, short winter oz to work,
drove trucks making one hundred and twenty k year back
in New Zealand, our own house and a car.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
It's good, good times. Now, Patty, we've only go I
got about forty seconds, My friend, you go for it.

Speaker 26 (01:16:05):
Well that's not going to cut it. But anyway, guys,
how's it. Yeah, my parents lived in a country where
there was no schooling. I went to a school in
a different country, so I used to fly on four
aeroplanes to that country to go to boarding school. I
who started flying at the age of seven and companied

(01:16:25):
and I used to go home once a year to
see my parents at Christmas. When they moved closer, I
used to travel to I used to travel home twice
a year. Got to the age of sixteen. He was
at a different school by this time, not at a
boarding school. My father put me in the YMCA. Decided
I didn't want to do school, so I applied for

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a few apprenticeships by all of them, and then I
had to have my father signature to be able to
accept the job for them to be able to accept me.
And I used to get the check for the YMCA
from my father every month to pay the YMCA fee,
so I knew his signature quite well. For was this signature.
So as we job, I wanted and became an engineer.

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Love here I am today.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
So so good Patty, what a story. Yeah, great story
to finish on good discussion, Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
Forty second story.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
Yeah, news coming up then another topic on the table.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
Your new home are insateful and entertaining Talk. It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk SEBBI.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
Very good afternoon, Cher, welcome back into the show. Seven
past three. Hope you have been a fantastic Wednesday. So
let's get into this. Lord had a wide ranging interview
with Day's magazine and what she said She's a bad
Kiwi and here's why. So she was asked about her
relationship with good old New Zealand, and she said she
misses it all the time, but she's making it a
priority to get back here more often. But she was

(01:17:54):
asked a question about whether she liked Lord of the Rings,
and she admitted she had never seen any of the
movies or TV series or read the books. And she said,
I quote bad Kiwi.

Speaker 15 (01:18:04):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
Yeah, So what are the key things, places and food,
et cetera to define the key we experience? What do
you think everyone in New Zealand should do, taste, or
visit to be a good kiwi?

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Well, I mean it's not really a good key. Where
she says she's a bad key. She's obviously joking around
not watching Lord of the Rings.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
But as part of the key we experience as Lord
of the Rings, something that you should watch, Definitely that
encapsulates the key we experience, does it. I haven't read
the Box, but I've watched the movie. You better believe
I watched the Box.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Have got absolutely nothing to do with New Zealand, But
in the Box has got absolutely not even one thing
to New Zealand. There wasn't even one second when Tolkien
was writing those books that he thought about New Zealand
very just that. Sir Peter Jackson's a genius and he
managed to convince New Line Cinema that those movies could
be all shot in New Zealand because we're the pocket world,
haven't we. We've got all the different terrain that was

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needed to make those movies that trilogy right here in
New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
Yep, And look how that worked out for our beautiful country.
Absolutely gangbusters. But what is it that encapsulates the Kiwi experience?
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call straight away? Techs came through. You gotta love the
all blacks or just pretend to during the World Cups.
You don't need to understand, Rugby, Just yell go black
and complain about the ref bonus points of you. We're black,

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even at weddings or funerals, especially at funerals.

Speaker 8 (01:19:28):
Do you have to.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
Enjoy or consume a mince and cheese pie covered in sauce?

Speaker 8 (01:19:38):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Is that the quintessential New Zealand pie? Is it the
mince and cheese pie? Is that the mince pie? I mean,
if we're on from it's the mutton pie.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
Mutton pie is good. What about the old bacon and egg?
Is that Kiwi? Anything Kiwi about bacon and the egg?

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
Ummmm, I'm gonna say big fan of bacony pie, but
I don't feel that there's anything quintessentially Kiwi about it.
Fish and chips on the beach?

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
Oh, yes, yes, boy, that is that is very key Weyana.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
If you haven't been terrorized by seagulls trying to eat
fish and chips on the beach, then you you haven't
experienced before key we experience.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
Got to face those sky rats. Yiday guys. Goodbye pork Pie?
If you haven't seen that, how key we are you?
It's good? Good movie.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
Yeah, it is a great movie. Actually does it stand up?
I mean when did that come out? They made a
sequel to it that I haven't seen, But when did
Goodbye Pork Pie come out? Goodbye pork Pie nineteen eighty one?

Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
I mean, yeah, it's been a while since I've seen it,
but I have seen it. Bldini, Yeah, oh onit. One
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. What
do you need to do? The experiences, the foods are
the things in New Zealand that is quintessential key. We
aana love to hear from you. It is ten to
ten pass three. I should say nine two. Nine two
is a text number.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
Lambtails on the fire after docking.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
Sounds pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
Us talks.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
It'd be very good afternoon g thirteen past three. What
are the things, places, foods, experiences that encapsulates New Zealands?

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
What do you reckon?

Speaker 30 (01:21:07):
Josh?

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Hey, you doing very good?

Speaker 25 (01:21:12):
Yeh know, just keeping it key just because sorry, we
kids since day one and just mind a waving my neighbors.
I don't actually, you know, I'm one of those people
who just grew up with rugby.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
But I never enjoyed it, right, you enjoyed playing it
or watching.

Speaker 25 (01:21:30):
It both, really, but you don't need in terms of
being a ki and whatnot. You know, it's not about
rug variable weep, but it's just being good person to
your neighbors and just dropping your money away with just
those little things.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
Good Josh, Yeah, that was a huge part of it,
isn't it just the Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
I tried to give my girlfriend a true care experience
with fish and chips on the beach and champagne. She's
from Asia. She was far from impressed.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
Yeah, that one. What's wrong with it? There's nothing more
romantic than fish and chips on the beach, a man
off the wharf.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
Yeah, yeah, it's crucial. Yeah, getting through a big bots
on crap day and that's I mean, I don't know
if everyone can pull.

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
That off, that's impressive. If you managed to do that,
you're a very great.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Kei we I've seen I've seen people attempt that and
go go very poorly. Yeah, talking about you, the notorious
pants man Joel Harrison, you know who you are, great
New Zealander.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
In a similar vein the YARDI, the YARDI is there,
that is Keiwanna. I mean most young men would have
done a YARDI, and young woman for that matter.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
Yeah, as the yard gas on your twenty first it
can't be a Kiwi thing.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
I think the Aussies are pretty into it as well,
because it was either twenty one shots or you do
the YARDI and the art is the easier way to go.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
Well, that's the thing with about week books though, because
that's an Aussie that was first Ossie kids are we
Bix kids, kids are we Bex kids And then we
just bought the ad over here and made it ki
We Kids were ripped off the jingle. Yeah, well, I
mean week books when they came out here, they said
that that worked well in Australia. Let's bring it over here.

Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
Certainly worked well here, Craig, How are you good?

Speaker 21 (01:23:07):
Thanks?

Speaker 30 (01:23:08):
Guys.

Speaker 10 (01:23:08):
Hey, look, I think one of the quintessential Kiwi moments
of squealing like a girl when the crabs bite your
toes when you're doing the tour tour shuffle.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
Yeah, that's a great one. That is a very good one.

Speaker 10 (01:23:22):
I actually have a really hilarious story. Well was that
was my younger siblings, if you like. And I was
the big, manly guy and I was getting muscles off
the rocks and and an octopus wrapped its tentacles around
my leg and I squealed like a weak girl and
they were just rolling around laughing.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Yeah, good on you, Craig. Keiwana midweek rugby practice in
the winter when the frost had already settled after a
hard day's work on site, and your shorts, jeez, how.

Speaker 22 (01:23:53):
Did we do it?

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
Why did we? She is, Paul?

Speaker 3 (01:23:56):
We do love our shorts.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
Well, I'll tell you what. Lord says that she's a
bad New Zealand because she hasn't watched Lord of the Rings.
I bet Lord has never had a midweek rugby practice
in the winter when the frost had already sealed after
a hard day's work on site. Yeah, it's probably probably
ninety percent of things that we define as being a
key board wouldn't have done.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
On the old shorts thing. I mean, it is something
very key we that we just rock the shorts no
matter the weather, whether it's stubbies or just shorts, we
seem to I don't know if it's a if it's
a pride thing that will just go out and freezing
cold rain and snow in the old shorts. Not many
people around the world do that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Do you have to have had a actually that recently
I was doing the Agenda Sports podcast and somewhere from
south and said, oh, I said, what what what sounds
to us? When should you not wear shorts? And the
answer is you should always wear shorts.

Speaker 21 (01:24:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
So there's a lot of people that live in Southland
that just wear shorts or no matter how cold it is,
that shorts all year.

Speaker 3 (01:24:52):
Yeah, we've got good tan lines below the knees.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
Hello. A Kiwi classic has to be the bungee jump.
You dnumb one yeah, I done bunge done a couple.

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
Done a couple Which bridges Queenstown Yep? The famous Yeah,
the big one is the beg Neivous Yeah, the famous one.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
Yeah, in off Auckland Harbor Bridge as well.

Speaker 13 (01:25:14):
How was that?

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
The oklahabber Bridge was Actually they actually got it wrong.
They thought I'd be more brave and I dive off,
so they made it a bit longer for me. Get
you the dunk and I just did a dunk. I
just had plopped off like a duck going underwater for slugs,
and so I went deep into the water when I
hit the water. The one off the top of the
when you take the gondola up in Queenstown's terrifying. Which one?

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
Oh yes, yeah, the one you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
The one and the one on top is also quite
terrifying beside the swing.

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
Cheese your bungee jump, crazy mate, you've done a few
of them. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty c
number to call ari.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
What do you think is quintessential KEII thing to do good?

Speaker 16 (01:25:56):
The key we thing today is to put a breedbag
clip on a pair of broken jandle.

Speaker 13 (01:26:02):
Yeah, I think you have a broken pair of candle.

Speaker 8 (01:26:04):
You're not a true Yeah, yeah, that's so.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
The first person is it's a brilliant solution here care.

Speaker 3 (01:26:10):
That is genius, isn't it. That's right up there with
Dyson and all those other inventors. Whoever that man was,
give him a knighthood.

Speaker 10 (01:26:19):
Or buying a peer of red band gunboats the record, Yeah, yeah,
you got.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
You got to have a pair of red band gun boots.
I currently don't do you, Tyler, No, no, just because
you see you've moved to Auckland, haven't you. Yeah, standing
into a bad key living in central Auckland.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
Yeah, I love I.

Speaker 13 (01:26:34):
Love Auckland too, but you've got to have a peer
to get out and do the lawns.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
Yeah, week, no excuses, we'll go, I mean going to it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
Trying to attempt you to into a pub and a
pair of red band gun boots is probably up there,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
Yeap on Pontoby Road. Yeah, Ari, you're a good man
scaler up if you're listening. No PreCure, but we need
a couple of pairs of red bands if you can
swing that. Oh eight hundred eighty What.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
Were the ones we're talking about the other day? The
with a Calvin. No, what was the what was the
company that was selling incredibly expensive gunboat one of these,
one of the if one Wes was wearing to the
Dutch grownd Pee. They were four thousand pounds gum boats
and I would say.

Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
They look good, but they didn't really. It was just
your stock standard pair of gummies.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
Ruthuspison loving What is tomato sauce?

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
That's from Phil That's where I'd actually draw the line.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry to all the Waddies lovers out there.
I'm not a fan. No, no, Hines really Hines all
the way.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
I'll die on this hell.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
Shame on you. That is not even. That is not even.
I don't even consider it smato sauce anything. That's not
what is tomato sauce?

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
Well, march me down to the port or the airport
and tell me to get out of the country. But
that is a hell. I'll die on what is tomato sauce?
They need to put more sugar in it, that's the problem,
and it change the recipe loaded up with sugar. If
you try, Heines, that is like a dessert.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
The only thing that I will accept apart from what
is Tomato sauce is the ice cream two lead to
ice cream tub of strangely pale colored sauce that you
dip your hot dog in at the at the Beach
and Speedway in Dunedin when I was growing up. The
Cardi sauce, Carni sauce.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
You can't beat the Carney sauce. Yeah right, we've got
full lines one hundred and eighty.

Speaker 20 (01:28:13):
Get a John here, good I Hi guys, Just a
quick story about shorts. There always a time and place.
I was at the Gallipoli Centenary some years ago. The
man in charge representing the Queen was Prince Harry. So
I met Prince Harry, shook his hand, Hannah yet to
him and he said, John, I love your shorts. So

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you know, I've been freezing overnight. We're freezer freezer baba
of overnight, but you know, and we're walking in the dust.
And he was in charge of the well, you know
the presentation for the Kiwi site. It's two thousand obviously, yeah,
Kiwi's anyway, we're talking away. There was a couple other

(01:28:58):
guys in shorts, but it got as hot as crazy
and he's we talked and he loved my shorts.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
John, could you describe your shorts to.

Speaker 31 (01:29:04):
Us please, just below the knee, yeah, plenty of pockets, Yeah,
yeah yeah, color.

Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
Three shorts at that point, John, Yeah, that's the number ones.

Speaker 8 (01:29:21):
Yeah, good on you.

Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
John loves the shorts.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
Harry loves your shorts. Yeah, you love your shorts. We
love you shorts.

Speaker 29 (01:29:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
Kiwis and their bere feet everywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:29:30):
Yeah, that's a biggie.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
It's a blazer at their feet flat like pancakes that
have been tenderized, like tenderized steaks, because we wear bare
feet so much.

Speaker 3 (01:29:39):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
What are the things? Foods, places, experiences that encapsulate Kiwiana
love to hear from you. It is twenty one past three.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty eight on yous talk said.

Speaker 3 (01:29:59):
The twenty four past three. So Lord sees she's a
bad kiwi because she hasn't watched The Lord of the Rings.
But what makes you a good kiwi? Those experiences and things.
Everybody should be doing that And Kiwiana.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
This is disgusting. Key's are just living in the dark.
Ages thirty years behind the rest of the western world
really because we like our tomato sauce.

Speaker 3 (01:30:18):
It's a weird thing to say, what a miserable what
a miserable person here up there? Fella jeeve has get
some joy in your life? Isn't that a nice thing?
I mean, even if that is, you know a little bit,
if there is any truth of that, which I don't
think there is.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
Is there anything wrong with being thirty years behind this?

Speaker 3 (01:30:36):
It's a good time.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
But to be fair, Kiwis are living in the dark ages.
I mean, the Kiwi bird is nocturnal, so the actual bird.
You're correct on that part of it. Nicely done, cafee,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 21 (01:30:47):
Hello Matt.

Speaker 30 (01:30:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:30:49):
My most favorite memory, and it is a memory now,
is Tony Rower to.

Speaker 3 (01:30:59):
Toy ra tell us more.

Speaker 21 (01:31:02):
To row a soup to fritters.

Speaker 8 (01:31:08):
It is, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
Fish.

Speaker 21 (01:31:11):
Unfortunately a rahui was put on them because they were
raped and pillaged. But they were the most amazing creatures.
You'd have to you'd see them on the beach and
you'd see the little tube You'll come up and you
actually had to creep up to them. They're huge. They're like,
you know, fifteen centimeters twenty centimeters big, and they've got

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this huge tongue and they just dimmed down into the sand.

Speaker 3 (01:31:41):
Sounds delicious. I'm just looking at a soup recipe right
now for tohitoa.

Speaker 21 (01:31:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:31:47):
This is not.

Speaker 21 (01:31:48):
Established Darga ball and they were famous for their Toro soup.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
I look at that thing.

Speaker 20 (01:31:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:31:55):
And to make the Toyo soup beast, yeah, we had
to strain it through the stockings.

Speaker 26 (01:32:03):
And those wow, and it was beautiful.

Speaker 21 (01:32:09):
You can't you know, if someone asks you what tora
or tastes like, you can only say tory, right right,
So it was.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
It was very unique in its flavor. That's interesting.

Speaker 21 (01:32:21):
Absolutely, Thank you so much for your.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
Call, Kathy.

Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
I've got a recipe here, so if anybody wants a
nine two nine too, and I'll flick at your way.
Looks like a beautiful chowder, lot of cream, a lot
of cream.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
Mister Chips, Chips, that's the best brand of Kiwi chips. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:35):
Remember the old longest drinking town. What happens to that draft?
Is he still around?

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
Well, the longest drinking town?

Speaker 26 (01:32:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
Yeah, that draft is still going.

Speaker 3 (01:32:42):
Yeah, that's key. We arena Yeah, oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Oh, what locks?

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
Tomato Chutney sauce is the hot dog sauce you're talking
about best sauce for hot chips as well.

Speaker 3 (01:32:52):
Yeah, that's the carney sauce.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
That's a good suit. Yes, so it's either what is
or that what lock sauce? Anything else is a crime
and you should be deported.

Speaker 3 (01:33:01):
It is twenty seven pass three. But really keen to
hear from you. We've got full lines at the moment.
But if you can't get through, keep trime. What are
the key places, foods, experiences that encapsulates being a good Kiwi.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
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Tasmin roots. Poland shot down drones over its territory after
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How Scott Robertson has built the all Blacks depth and
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Now back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:34:35):
Thank you, Jody, so lord see she's a beating you
for not watching Lord of the Rings. But what's on
the list of things every proper New Zealander has to
tick off? Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighties and
number to.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
Cour I was talking about those gun boots before you
know people talk about red bands, and I was saying
that there's the Chanell gumboots that are just rubber govnmots.
And I saw one of the wags at the f one.
I can't remember whose partner was, but she was wearing them.
They're Chanel soo seven hundred and seventy American dollars four

(01:35:04):
seven hundred seventy American dollars for a pair of rubber
gum boots with just the Chanel logo on it. I
was talking about this the other day, So basically, you're
doing that to say you're rich. So I'm so rich
that I can spend this much money on something that
I could buy from nineteen ninety five.

Speaker 3 (01:35:17):
Yeah, they are some crazy expensive gun boots.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
Megan, welcome the show.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
Hi, how are you very Gooch?

Speaker 24 (01:35:24):
Classic classic Kiwi line of a neighborhood or a family barbecue,
ladies bring a plate.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
Yes, that's still floating around. I'm not sure if I'd
get away with that.

Speaker 24 (01:35:37):
I know it still floats around. And in the Classic Planet,
the Sports Club, all the twenty first parties, thanks to
the ladies in the kitchen.

Speaker 3 (01:35:45):
Yep, that's mandatory. Hear that at the Bowls Club a lot.

Speaker 24 (01:35:49):
Yeah, it's mandatory Kiwi talk.

Speaker 3 (01:35:51):
Yeah, yeah, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
Meghan?

Speaker 22 (01:35:53):
Are you.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
Are you the person saying ladies bring a plate or
thanks the ladies in the kitchen. Are you with the
lady in the kitchen or the lady bringing the plate.

Speaker 24 (01:36:02):
Oh, it's a little bit of a mix of everything now,
but it is a little bit of a standing shoke
at the bottom of a Facebook.

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
And love it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
Thanks for your call, Megan, Yeah, great, Thanks for the
ladies in the kitchen. Very key. We arena plenty of
takes coming through and a lot of people are coming
through on sources.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
Yeah, so there is that. So I was saying, what's
the name of that source that you get at Speedway
and someone said it's called Speedway Sauce and it's made
of Nelson. So is this Nelson company that's making it?
Have they always made it or have they just made
a version of it?

Speaker 21 (01:36:34):
So?

Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
Tasman Bay Food Company makes Speedway Sauce. Hot Bite Speedway
Source is a track slide favorite smothered over hot chips
and dipped over hot dog. This thick chutney style source
is a handy, multi use product for food service providers,
including those at Speedway.

Speaker 3 (01:36:49):
Geese that sounds good. Five liter tubs as well? Bring
it on, Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Get a Peter.

Speaker 13 (01:36:57):
Hey, how you doing there?

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
Very good? What do you reckon?

Speaker 22 (01:37:01):
Well?

Speaker 32 (01:37:01):
The key to being a typical GWe, to me has
always been a healthy, fundamental, good natured slight of Australians. Yep,
I'll never forget where I was traveling the world, walked
into a bar in Nairobi, of all places, walked into
a bar and there I love the bar is this
guy with the T shirt. On the back of the
T shirts I support the all Blacks and anybody playing

(01:37:23):
and anybody played against Australia. I thought, yep, you'll do mate, You're.

Speaker 13 (01:37:27):
One of us.

Speaker 2 (01:37:29):
Thanks for Peter. Hey, listen to this. So I was
talking before. Listen to this text here. I'm so angry.
I can hardly write this. Oh, Matt Heath has just
said on national radio he would have people deported for
not choosing a food. I'm shaking with what Trump is
doing in America, and you are promoting this hate here.
This does not end here. You can be sure of that.

(01:37:51):
So I'd just like to say that taker, teacher, that teacher,
it's definitely not I don't think they're a teacher. Texter, Texter,
they're shaking, yeah, because I said that Tyler should be
deported because he likes saw souther than what.

Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
Is, and a lot of the text has said that
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
Can you can I just double down. I absolutely, one
hundred percent meant that people that don't like the same
tomato sauces me should absolutely be rounded up and deported
out of the country. That's exactly what I was saying,
absolutely saying of you to be shaking and upset about that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:22):
You can get a double ticket for me and that texture.
It's not going to be that bad, Ticter. Don't worry.
We'll find a new life somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
This does not end here, this is this text. No
it doesn't. I'll find you wherever you are and deport
you from the country. I was one hundred percent serious
when I said that. It wasn't just a joky ry aside.
You You're You're right to shake in your in your
boots at that. This Texas has got to be a
white bait fritter in white.

Speaker 3 (01:38:46):
Bread, huge laugh white bait. Been a long time since
I've eaten it. Hard to find it was last time you.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
Ate white bait from a side you know you know
I've pulled over a few times and brought them from
a caravan being cooked up.

Speaker 3 (01:38:58):
That's the only way you should do it, Marty. How
are you good?

Speaker 22 (01:39:02):
A guys? Good show? This a little bit of habulous
from a young sixty four year old. But in the
old days they used to work in the fish and
chip shop and Cartain High Street before Carden become trendy.
Send away this chop and yeah, tell me about it, buddy.
And Friday night was the night when all the normal

(01:39:25):
people were coming for their fish and chips, and there
it was cues, but their smiles on their faces, as
if they'd left yesterday's problems away. It was Friday night,
that'd be too fleshful, that may yet no four flesh
and that there was there was no one. There was
just fish and chips and I'll have too hot dog

(01:39:47):
there money, you know, I said, it's all done, but
the way they cut it, and they went away knowing that, yeah,
problems hadn't gone away for that Friday night tradition of
going to the fish and chip shop.

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
That's beautiful. Yeah, why are you describing that? Is bloody beautiful?

Speaker 7 (01:40:06):
Mate?

Speaker 10 (01:40:06):
Good on you.

Speaker 3 (01:40:07):
Yeah, I'm back to my chi odd listening to that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:09):
Yeah, I mean I remember like when we had because
Friday night. This must have been a massive trade on
fish and chips on a Friday night if that was
a new thing, right, Yeah, But my dad would be
like one treat each. He referred to the hot dogs
or the onion sausages as treats. Oh, there's not a treat,
it's a treat. It so you allowed chips in one
treat there was a standard piece of fish, but you

(01:40:30):
allowed one other treat. What did you go for? Always
the onion sausage.

Speaker 3 (01:40:33):
Oh, the onion sausage. Yeah, such good choice. So eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call?
What are the things and experiences you need to have
done to be called a proper New Zealander? Christina? How
are you.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
Sorry? Christina? My phone doesn't just having some glitches?

Speaker 8 (01:40:50):
There we go?

Speaker 32 (01:40:51):
Are yeh?

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
Finally will hello?

Speaker 11 (01:40:53):
Oh?

Speaker 22 (01:40:53):
Good?

Speaker 3 (01:40:54):
And what your thinking around what you need to do?

Speaker 22 (01:40:58):
Look?

Speaker 9 (01:40:58):
I think you have to go to an A and
P show in a country town in summer where it's
thirty degrees and there's a screaming northwester blowing to blow
the slies and you have your hot dog with your
stawes while you're watching the sheep sharing and the wood chopping,
and you're instantly an expert on both, even though you
only go once a year to see it. And that's

(01:41:20):
how you become a Kiwi.

Speaker 2 (01:41:22):
Yeah, and also go on a slightly terrifying ride with
rusty bolts.

Speaker 9 (01:41:30):
Dodgy dodgy equipment.

Speaker 3 (01:41:33):
You can trust, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 9 (01:41:35):
And you have to be wearing your rotten gun boots
and your cheek shirt. And if you're in Canterbury, you've
got the pearls on as well because you've got to
finish it off. And yeah, you just you just fit
in with that whole great feeling of being a Kiwi.

Speaker 2 (01:41:50):
Beautiful stender you've just described.

Speaker 3 (01:41:53):
It's a beautiful picture anthem behind that that is gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
Someone here talking about the shorts. Not sure why it's
so hard to understand. If you're wearing shorts and it's cold,
you put your swaneye on. Yeah, well there's that. There's
that great lock that you can run for where you
so long, your shorts are so short. It looks like
you're not wearing any shorts. You're kind of wearing a
sort of a sort of a dress situation.

Speaker 3 (01:42:15):
Yeah, that's the pub on a Friday night, isn't it. Oh,
one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
We gotta play some messages, but love to hear from
you about what is on the list. Every proper New
Zealander has to tick off.

Speaker 2 (01:42:26):
This businesses white bait, no way, the eyes, the eyes.
Crunching on the eyes, not the eyes.

Speaker 3 (01:42:32):
Love the eyes. The eyes are the best part of
white bait. And you've got to go heavy on the
white bait egg ratio, no doubt about it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
Yeah, I mean there is an argument that a white
bait patty is just a crunchy egg and butter.

Speaker 3 (01:42:43):
Yeah, Piet, my old man was so stingy on the
white bait he'd put three white bait in per patty.
I'm damn, this is just a bloody fritter.

Speaker 8 (01:42:50):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:42:50):
It is twenty two four beag very shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:42:53):
It's a fresh take on talk back. It's Matt Heathen
Taylor Adams afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred eighty
eighty talk b.

Speaker 3 (01:43:02):
It is eighteen to four and we've asked the question,
what are the lists of things every proper New Zealander
has to tick off after Lord said she's a big
key for not watching Lord of the Ring. So many
great ticks comes through nine two ninety two.

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
Free several or at the butcher for kids K bars
and the ten cent mix K bars. Are they still around?
Oh my god? I thought they basically, you know, harder
than ultimantium.

Speaker 3 (01:43:29):
That's a good way to put it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:30):
You've got to have a pash by the bonfire at
the beach on a holiday at New Years? What about
holding your girlfriend's here back or she vombs at New Year's.

Speaker 3 (01:43:37):
Yeah, that's very key with, very key with. And then
you're a good man for doing that. I'll got to say, mate,
getting tars stuck in your feet in summer, that's yeah,
I miss those days.

Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
See that's quite a south line of thing.

Speaker 13 (01:43:47):
Am I wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
Because I feel like when I was growing up in
Dunedin that the tar would often run because it wasn't
I could get someone who knows something about how roads
work or something about anything. I feel like that the
tar where I grew up wasn't calibrated for hot temperatures,
and so when you got those couple of thirty degree
days a year in Duneda. It were basically like a river.

Speaker 3 (01:44:09):
Yeah, because you get out as a kid and you
play with it because you have different stuff up there, right,
you go find the little tar bubbles and get it
on your fingers and then dare we go? Eight ship?
Because it was real hard to get off your fingers. Hey, guys,
it would have to be a hung eat made with
fire rocks and not railway lins.

Speaker 2 (01:44:25):
Yeah, it would have to be. What about digging up
your hunging it's not cocked and they're putting it in
the oven.

Speaker 3 (01:44:31):
Yeah, that's very yeah, Paul, how are you?

Speaker 8 (01:44:36):
Yeah? Good thing plaid?

Speaker 13 (01:44:37):
How are you going?

Speaker 3 (01:44:38):
Very good? So what is compulsory to be considered a
good Kiwi?

Speaker 8 (01:44:42):
Well, for me, you must have a deep and abiding
passion for the music and splittings for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
Oh right, yeah, and playing reforming for Electric Avenue next year.

Speaker 8 (01:44:53):
Oh cool, we should go to that great.

Speaker 16 (01:44:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:44:56):
When I was when I was a kid, like when
I was about eleven or twelve, I think it was
the first record my brother ever owned, was True Colors. Yes,
I wore it out.

Speaker 20 (01:45:08):
Man.

Speaker 8 (01:45:08):
We thrashed the pants off the album. You know, we
just knew every song over and over? Which song was
coming up next to all the lyrics everything. It was
just fantastic. Are so cool?

Speaker 22 (01:45:18):
I love them?

Speaker 4 (01:45:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:45:20):
So do you think you'd make it a long we'reabouts?

Speaker 10 (01:45:21):
Do you love?

Speaker 2 (01:45:22):
Paul? If you don't mind me asking, are you close
to christ Church?

Speaker 8 (01:45:26):
No, mate, I'm in both.

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
Maybe yeah right, yeah, I'll tell you what's an amazing song?
Sort of underrated, not like you said, maybe it's not underrated,
but that song poor Boy from the True Colours album
is such a great song. Oh yeah, and Shark Attack,
great shark attack.

Speaker 8 (01:45:42):
Shark Attack is the key we standard. I mean, we
must be able to belt that out.

Speaker 2 (01:45:47):
Sure attack. There was a slaughterer in the water when
I thought a shark at that great song? Sorry foot Paul, Yeah, no, great, great,
great album. Thank you for your call. Appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:45:59):
That is a great one. Uh this one here chucking
and shucking oysters, celebration and bluff. That is the one
thing I haven't done and I feel like big ky
for not doing it. But the old Bluff Oyster Festival
I was.

Speaker 2 (01:46:11):
I was at the Bluff Oyster Festival and competed in
an oyster eading competition.

Speaker 3 (01:46:14):
How'd you go?

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
Umm? Pretty well?

Speaker 3 (01:46:17):
Yeah, pretty well, how many? How many did you get down?

Speaker 2 (01:46:19):
So you had to do ten and then a hot sauce,
so ten, then a hot sauce ten, then a hot sauce.
But I was there with g Lane and he won
and it made the paper. Aucklander wins bluff eating competition.

Speaker 3 (01:46:30):
He's a hard man to come up against in a
oyster eating competition, that wasn't he?

Speaker 21 (01:46:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:46:34):
Yeah, yeah, oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty you mean
by that I had? One hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call guys. Ten guitars, crate and a
party kiwis and this one here, you're not a kei
we till you've had sand in your sandwich at the
beach from eron.

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
I don't know what this means. Bucky bongs, Bucky bongs.
I don't know what bucky bongs are.

Speaker 3 (01:46:55):
If you know what bucky bongs are, hundred eighty ten eighty,
I think you do, know, Guys, I told my South
African partner that he couldn't call himself a kiwi till
he camped in the Corrimandel over Christmas in a two
man tent and basic cook. When we met, he said
he hated camping and would be a push to go glamping.
We camped last summer and he absolutely loved it. True key.

Speaker 22 (01:47:15):
We now.

Speaker 3 (01:47:18):
Keep those ticks coming through on nine two, nine two,
and can you hear from you on oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. We've got to play some messages,
but plenty of texts coming through Lessen, Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 2 (01:47:27):
Well shocking story about a South African partner trying to
become a Kiwi. Oh'll see that this is going to
be good.

Speaker 1 (01:47:34):
The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends
and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
used talk z' b news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:47:44):
It'd be it is ten to four and what are
the things? Experiences, places, food that encapsulates ki we aa
the things that makes you a good Kiwi.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
Jimmy Jimmy's Pie says the Texas love Jimmy's Pie. Stop off,
We stop off at the shop and I'm going through.
Poor Boy is a great song. But I Hope I
Never as theatrically dramatic, Yeah, I hope I Never is
a great song from the True Colours album. But the
big Ballad, the Big tim Fin ballad.

Speaker 3 (01:48:09):
Yeah, naked table slides ki we as what's a naked
table slide? I suppose it's in the name, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:15):
Yeah? Yeah, fishing for white bait and the beautiful Auckland
Harbor needs small hooks though, Yeah, absolutely, yeah, great call.
Get a little one of those up yep, and I
see if they're long enough. Hey, guys, read that now,
it's disgusting. I also won't read out spots on the
oven with mum's knives.

Speaker 3 (01:48:35):
Probably good thing.

Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
I'm going to read.

Speaker 3 (01:48:37):
No, it's good call. Uh, it's David.

Speaker 13 (01:48:39):
How are you?

Speaker 30 (01:48:41):
I'm good, thank you?

Speaker 3 (01:48:42):
I reckon.

Speaker 30 (01:48:44):
You've got to be a good news onder. If you
know our two important comedians which everyone will know, Billa
Ty James, Yes, billit Ty James and fred.

Speaker 2 (01:48:54):
Dagg oh yes, yeah yeah fred Dagg.

Speaker 10 (01:48:59):
And he could fred Dag.

Speaker 30 (01:49:00):
I think that's the one. If it ain't for you,
gum boots.

Speaker 2 (01:49:04):
It was the song he did, yeah, John Clark, fantastic Clark.

Speaker 30 (01:49:08):
Yeah, John Clad. He did fred Dag and then unfortunately
went to Australia like everyone else, and that was the
end of fred Dag. And he's done some very funny
things in Australia. Yeah, one of his best ones is
that the front of the boat fell off is you
can google it be hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:49:30):
Has impersonations of political figures without putting on their voice
at all is one of the funniest things. It's one
of the most genius ideas, just to impersonate someone but
just use your voice.

Speaker 3 (01:49:40):
Yeah, the writing and the delivery it is genius, so
very good.

Speaker 2 (01:49:43):
But the show he did coming up to the Olympic
Games and Sydney was great too. I think it was
Chris called the Games.

Speaker 21 (01:49:49):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
That was a great show. Hey, thanks for you called
David Adam.

Speaker 3 (01:49:53):
What is it for you?

Speaker 15 (01:49:55):
Oh man, I.

Speaker 12 (01:49:56):
Don't think you're really a key with if you haven't
played the spaces at the Corners area, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:50:01):
Back in the day. Yeah, yeah, the space when the.

Speaker 12 (01:50:05):
Street lights come on, you know it's time to go home.
Otherwise I get a cup around the lady.

Speaker 2 (01:50:12):
Good on you, Adam. That used to be for me anyway.
You had to be able to be good enough for
whatever game you were playing, that that you could outplay
your chips being cooked so you were still going and
then your chips had to sit and get cold while
you're still going with Gallagher or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:50:26):
Yeah, yeah, so true, Philip, how are you?

Speaker 13 (01:50:31):
It's got to be a Jimmy's pie and a cold space.

Speaker 3 (01:50:33):
Good on your mate, Good on your mate, Good on you, mate.

Speaker 12 (01:50:37):
We don't care if her old man's got a box
at Eaton Park as long as she turns up with
their pie in the spaces, she's all good.

Speaker 2 (01:50:43):
Good on you, Philip.

Speaker 3 (01:50:44):
Yeah, I love that one, your mate.

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
This is as good a box at Eden Park.

Speaker 3 (01:50:48):
Yeah, good, good on your mate. This is a nice
text from a poms. He's good a guys. I'm from
the UK and hands down, your fish and chips here
are better. In the UK. We get that horrible gray
striple skin on our fish. Great chat. Disagree with the
source comments though, hines Tomato sauce all the way.

Speaker 2 (01:51:08):
Mmmm, deport high. The electric fences invented by a keywi,
says Brent in. This person says, until you have accidentally
peed on an electric fence and got a bolt, you're
not a keyw.

Speaker 3 (01:51:20):
Never done it. Maybe I'll have to. I know you've
done it, mate, You've done it a couple of times, haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:51:25):
I have not done that, but I've I've got stuck
under an electric fence for Billy and a trolley. That's
that battle. The story is. That's about it. That is great,
not good.

Speaker 3 (01:51:35):
Yeah, one hundred and eighty eighty is the number to.

Speaker 2 (01:51:38):
Call not taking yourself too seriously. Opening bottles with a
Sigi lighter, Yep, can do that. That is a crucial
school You've got to do massive or if you if
you're married, with your wedding ring, yep, yep, John, What.

Speaker 3 (01:51:52):
Is it for you?

Speaker 13 (01:51:54):
Frozen buzz bars, the frozen buzz bars?

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
Yeah, yep, I'm just trying to picture. I know, our
buzz bar. Frozen buzz bars, frozen buzz bars. Yeah? Are
they still Availok? You still get a buzz bar?

Speaker 13 (01:52:07):
John, Well, I think you can. I actually took my
two grandkids along.

Speaker 12 (01:52:11):
I said, now I've got a treat for you, brought
them frozen buzz bars, and I thought they thought it
from another planet.

Speaker 3 (01:52:18):
Well because what was in them? It was marshmallow and
then it was kind of a caramel topping, all covered chop.

Speaker 13 (01:52:25):
Yeah, cho, that's it.

Speaker 22 (01:52:27):
That's the one.

Speaker 3 (01:52:28):
Yeah, that was good.

Speaker 2 (01:52:29):
Good on you, John.

Speaker 3 (01:52:30):
Remember old tangy fruits, so they're still doing tangy fruits.
Tinging fruits, rolling the tangy fruits down the old movie
theater alleyway or corridor while.

Speaker 2 (01:52:37):
They got rid of the sniffers.

Speaker 19 (01:52:39):
Oh yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
Yeah, being able to tap a public phone, it's high level.
I mean, that's old school.

Speaker 3 (01:52:46):
That is very old school.

Speaker 2 (01:52:47):
But god, I don't think I don't think it still
works the tepic of Yeah, wasn't there a way you
used to be able to get around toll calls by
doing something? That's some kind of tapping you could do.

Speaker 3 (01:53:00):
Wasn't it when you snapped the phone card and you
could squeeze another call out of it? I desperately remember
you hit the phone card head tim but on it.
If you ran out of money, you just snap it
and put it in. It would give you one more
go all right, Maybe I'm misremembering that.

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
So scamming telecom.

Speaker 3 (01:53:16):
They deserved it. They deserved it, all right. I think
that is us for today.

Speaker 2 (01:53:20):
Yeah, thank you so much for listening for the show.
Thank you for all your calls and text We had
a great time. The pot will be up soon if
you missed anything. The Powerful Heather too Percy Ellen is
up next. But right now, Tyler, my good friend tell me,
Why am I playing the song?

Speaker 3 (01:53:34):
This is a bit of splitty in sweet dreams.

Speaker 22 (01:53:37):
What a tune?

Speaker 2 (01:53:39):
Yes is my favorite splitting songs. It's from the second
Thoughts album. See I'm a credible splittings fans. I like
the early stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:53:44):
Yeah nice.

Speaker 2 (01:53:45):
This is such a good song, so underrated.

Speaker 3 (01:53:47):
It's lovely and it is very key. We area loving
split in jeans.

Speaker 2 (01:53:55):
Absolute tune.

Speaker 13 (01:53:56):
Love it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:01):
Until tomorrow. Wherever you are and whatever you're doing, give
a taste the key We from us love yes and
see you tomorrow afternoon for another edition of metinto Afternoons.
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